[Rhodes22-list] gas tank in laz

Michael D. Weisner mweisner at ebsmed.com
Thu Nov 18 11:37:32 EST 2010 

Bob,

Actually they're not.  As I said, many were the result of a nasty accident. 
Some caused severs burns or loss of life.  Why fool around?  It's not like 
it stops us from sailing or costs a lot to comply.


Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Keller" <r22yankeeclipper at hotmail.com>
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] gas tank in laz


>
> These are government sponsored standards so are highly suspect just for 
> that reason alone....
> BK
>
>> From: mweisner at ebsmed.com
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 11:26:11 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] gas tank in laz
>>
>> Rummy,
>>
>> Your mileage not withstanding, your practice constitutes an unsafe 
>> condition. Please review the USCG site 
>> http://www.uscgboating.org/regulations/boatbuilder_s_handbook/vent_partg.aspx 
>> with particular attention to the following portion:
>> Portable Fuel Tanks
>> Compartments used to store vented portable fuel tanks or containers are 
>> required to be equipped with natural ventilation.
>>
>> Cockpit seat lockers in auxiliary sailboats are often used as fuel tank 
>> compartments for portable outboard motor fuel tanks. If this fuel tank 
>> vents into the locker, then natural ventilation of this locker is 
>> required.
>>
>> Since fuel vapors seek the lowest point of any compartment, gasoline 
>> vapors should be considered when designing and constructing a compartment 
>> that will contain a fuel tank or container that vents into a compartment. 
>> Any openings in or near the bottom of the compartment could permit 
>> explosive vapors to flow into the bilge of the boat where an ignition 
>> source might ignite the vapors.
>>
>> The "natural ventilation" must consist of:
>>
>> (1) supply opening(s) or duct(s) from the atmosphere or from a
>> ventilated compartment or from a compartment that is ventilated
>> to the atmosphere;
>> and
>>
>> (2) exhaust opening(s) into another ventilated compartment or exhaust
>> duct(s) to the atmosphere.
>>
>> Each supply opening must be located on the exterior surface of the boat:
>> "Open to the atmosphere" means a compartment that has at least 15 square 
>> inches of open area directly exposed to the atmosphere for each cubic 
>> foot of net compartment volume. The underseat space meets this 
>> requirement while the laz space has insufficient ventilation and connects 
>> with the cabin interior and bilge through wiring channels. These 
>> ventilation requirements also apply to batteries that emit hydrogen gas 
>> during charging (solar or otherwise) in confined spaces.
>> For those who are interested, the site also provides links to pdfs of the 
>> Boatbuilder's Handbook for download.
>>
>> A simpler version entitled "Safety Standards for Backyard Boat Builders" 
>> which I have found very useful over the years is available at:
>>
>> http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/education_safety/safety/boatwater/backyardboatbuilders.pdf
>>
>> Please err on the side of safety. Don't play around with lives. Many of 
>> these rules were established after an avoidable accident.
>>
>> Mike
>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com> Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:15 AM
>> > Charles,
>> > Relax. I kept my fuel tank in the lazzerette for almost twenty years. I
>> > moved it only after I installed the electric motor lift which places an
>> > electric motor (sparks) in the lazz. The hatch cover for the lazz is 
>> > not air
>> > tight and if you look under both seats you will see large openings 
>> > which
>> > provide adequate ventilation. People on the list were worried that I 
>> > was going to
>> > blow myself up, but as you can see, I'm still intact. I used to drink 
>> > like
>> > crazy and smoked cigars and cigarettes.......all at the same time and
>> > never had a problem with gas fumes.
>> >
>> > Rummy
>> >
>> >
>> > In a message dated 11/18/2010 9:08:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> > blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
>> >
>> >
>> > I sail in teh suburbs of Dallas, Texas ..... I think I am the only 
>> > Rhodie
>> > in these parts so you probably won't even hear the explosion......I 
>> > do't
>> > have propane on the boat, I am guessing that would be for a stove? I 
>> > don't
>> > have one of those either.
>> >
>> > Thanks for the education, I will gfive some thought to moving the tank.
>> >
>> > Charles
>> > s/v Blue Feather
>> > 84 R 22 ... recycled 96
>> >
>> >> From: mweisner at ebsmed.com
>> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> >> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:53:59 -0500
>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction - Now gas tank in laz
>> >>
>> >> It depends on how far away from here you sail your Rhodes ...
>> >>
>> >> Basically, fuel vapors that accumulate can be fairly explosive. Since
>> > the
>> >> laz is not ventilated, it is not a great place to store gasoline. I 
>> >> have
>> >> always stored a 6 gal tank under the cockpit seat without a problem
>> > where at
>> >> least the fumes (lighter than air) would not be trapped.
>> >>
>> >> BTW, where do you store your propane (heavier than air)? Please do not
>> >> store it in the cabin.
>> >>
>> >> Where do you sail,again?
>> >>
>> >> Mike
>> >> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>> >> Nissequogue River, NY
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> From: "Charles Nieman" <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>> >> To: "Rhodes List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 8:42 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't know about all that political stuff ..... but what's this
>> > about
>> >> > keeping your gas tank in tha lazerette????? That is where I have
>> > always
>> >> > kept mine .... is this a problem????
>> >> >
>> >> > Charles
>> >> >
>> >> >> From: benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com
>> >> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> >> >> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:40:39 -0600
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction
>> >> >>
>> >> >> We are overdue for some angry -- or at least passionate rants.
>> > Thoughts
>> >> >> on
>> >> >> midterm elections? Sarah Palin's book tour? Did dinosaurs really
>> > exist?
>> >> >> Do you prefer Bicardi to Mount Gay? Isn't anyone at least keeping
>> > their
>> >> >> gas
>> >> >> tank in the lazerette?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Watching and waiting from BR,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Ben
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> >> >> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Geoff 
>> >> >> Farrell
>> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 12:39
>> >> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thank God... on both counts.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:28 PM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Mike.
>> >> >> > Welcome back to the list. A while back we had to have a 
>> >> >> > separation
>> > of
>> >> >> > sailing from politics. The political people left the list and
>> > started
>> >> >> their
>> >> >> > own
>> >> >> > social network list. The sailors and most of the drunks are still
>> > here.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Rummy
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > In a message dated 11/16/2010 3:07:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> >> >> > michael.4591 at gmail.com writes:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > By way of a reintroduction I am Mike Corley, a loyal Rhodes owner
>> > since
>> >> >> > 1996. I have not been active on the list in several years. It is
>> >> >> > definitely a lot quieter now than it used to be. Sort of miss the
>> >> >> barroom
>> >> >> > mentality of the old list.
>> >> >> > I have owned two Rhodes, the first was a new 96 model I bought 
>> >> >> > from
>> >> >> > Stan and then after returning from Europe Stan made me a great 
>> >> >> > deal
>> > and
>> >> >> > I
>> >> >> > traded it in on a slightly used and upgraded 99 Rhodes in 2000, 
>> >> >> > but
>> >> >> > that
>> >> >> > is
>> >> >> > another story. I like to tell people that I liked the boat so 
>> >> >> > much I
>> >> >> > bought
>> >> >> > it twice. I still take the boat back to GB in Edenton, NC when it
>> > needs
>> >> >> > work which is infrequently. Stan and GB is the most honest 
>> >> >> > business
>> > I
>> >> >> > have
>> >> >> > ever dealt with and they still do good work!
>> >> >> > I just recently retired from the Army after 30 years of service. 
>> >> >> > I
>> >> >> > retired from Fort Monroe, Va and now live in Smithfield, Va at 
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > intersection of the Pagan and James Rivers. I keep my boat at the
>> > Old
>> >> >> > Point
>> >> >> > Comfort Marina at Ft Monroe in Hampton, Va which is about 22 
>> >> >> > miles
>> > from
>> >> >> > Smithfield. My children are grown now so I primarily singlehand
>> > which
>> >> >> > is
>> >> >> > easy to do in a Rhodes. I have enjoyed sailing the Southern
>> > Chesapeake
>> >> >> > for
>> >> >> > the last four years. Previously I have sailed my Rhodes out of
>> > Middle
>> >> >> > River
>> >> >> > near Baltimore, Newbern, NC on the Neuse river, and Washington DC
>> > on
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > Potomac River. As all of you will agree, the Rhodes is a great
>> > costal
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> > inland pocket cruiser!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Mike Corley
>> >> >> > S/V Ranger
>> >> >> > 99 Rhodes
>> >> >> > Hampton Roads, Va
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