[Rhodes22-list] gas tank in laz

Charles Nieman blue66corvette at hotmail.com
Thu Nov 18 15:27:21 EST 2010 

All you "old timers" may be aware of the discussion in times past, and I hope we have provided the desired entertainment for the day, and I appreciate the education of what some think is a better place to store the tank. 
 
but I must agree with Rummy (as dangerous as that may seem). Where is the source for the spark? 
 
I dry sail my boat, day sail only, have no battery, no electrical devices and leave the gas tank in the laz when I am not sailing, rather than take it home or leave it in plan view under the seat to be stolen. When I do go out, I open the laz to squeeze the fuel priming bulb, thus allowing any built up fumes to escape (and I have never smelled these fumes, so I suspect Rummy has a point about the ventilation). During long periods of not sailing (the cold of late Nov through early Feb, or heat early July through late August) I usually store in my garage. I fully believe in safety and am going to take all of this into deep thought; but please tell where is the spark coming from, where is the fume build up and why is this dangerous?
 
C
 
> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:56:07 -0500
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] gas tank in laz
> 
> Ben,
> As all the old timers know, this is an old, rehashed topic that Benny 
> brought up just to get the list talking again. I certainly understand everyone's 
> concerns, but tell me, where's the source of ignition in the lazz? I still 
> maintain that there is plenty of ventilation, even after looking at the CC 
> regulations.
> 
> Rummy
> 
> 
> In a message dated 11/18/2010 2:50:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> bencittadino at gmail.com writes:
> 
> 
> Rummy and Charles and Whoever;
> 
> I am very apart from Mike politically. However, let me say this as gently 
> as
> I can. GET THOSE FREAKING GAS CANS OUT OF THE LAZARETTE THIS VERY 
> MINUTE!!!!
> Are you suicidal? Are you just so stubborn that you are willing to die
> rather than be reasonable? Whether the laz is "air tight" or "water tight"
> means nothing. It is incredibly dangerous to store gasoline in that small
> enclosed space. Get it the heck out of there. You can only play "russian
> roulette" for so long before you get a bullet in the head. 
> 
> And, yes, the parents of that little girl who exploited her by letting her
> sail around the world belong in jail, too! 
> 
> your devoted colleague,
> 
> BenC 
> 
> Ben Schultz wrote:
> > 
> > Right on. Mission accomplished. When I get bored again, I'll have to 
> go
> > back a decade and find another topic that used to get us fired up!
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael D.
> > Weisner
> > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:47
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] gas tank in laz
> > 
> > Hey Rummy,
> > 
> > Ben was bored so he threw a lit match into a tank of gas. Charles took
> > the 
> > bait. Da list responds. You ... nevermind. Ben, be careful what you
> > wish 
> > for.
> > 
> > I prefer to live to sail another day. I have even donned a life vest in 
> > rough seas, lately. I must be growing up or something. It is truly a 
> > terrible thing, this getting older business.
> > 
> > Sail safe and make sure that your passengers are of a like mind. Their 
> > lives are in your hands.
> > 
> > Mike
> > s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> > 
> > From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com> Thursday, November 18, 2010 11:35 AM
> >> Mike,
> >> And how long have you been a part of this list? Do you really expect me
> >> to
> >> live my other people's rules? Ain't happening. I'm smarter than the 
> rest 
> >> of
> >> the planet. Is it noon yet? Anywhere?
> >>
> >> Rummy
> >>
> >>
> >> In a message dated 11/18/2010 11:26:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> >> mweisner at ebsmed.com writes:
> >>
> >> Rummy,
> >>
> >> Your mileage not withstanding, your practice constitutes an unsafe
> >> condition. Please review the USCG site
> >>
> > 
> http://www.uscgboating.org/regulations/boatbuilder_s_handbook/vent_partg.asp
> > x 
> >> with particular attention to the
> >> following portion:
> >> Portable Fuel Tanks
> >> Compartments used to store vented portable fuel tanks or containers are
> >> required to be equipped with natural ventilation.
> >>
> >> Cockpit seat lockers in auxiliary sailboats are often used as fuel tank
> >> compartments for portable outboard motor fuel tanks. If this fuel tank 
> >> vents
> >> into the locker, then natural ventilation of this locker is required.
> >>
> >> Since fuel vapors seek the lowest point of any compartment, gasoline
> >> vapors should be considered when designing and constructing a
> >> compartment
> > 
> >> that
> >> will contain a fuel tank or container that vents into a compartment. 
> Any
> >> openings in or near the bottom of the compartment could permit 
> explosive
> >> vapors to flow into the bilge of the boat where an ignition source 
> might 
> >> ignite
> >> the vapors.
> >>
> >> The "natural ventilation" must consist of:
> >>
> >> (1) supply opening(s) or duct(s) from the atmosphere or from a
> >> ventilated compartment or from a compartment that is ventilated
> >> to the atmosphere;
> >> and
> >>
> >> (2) exhaust opening(s) into another ventilated compartment or exhaust
> >> duct(s) to the atmosphere.
> >>
> >> Each supply opening must be located on the exterior surface of the 
> boat:
> >> "Open to the atmosphere" means a compartment that has at least 15 
> square
> >> inches of open area directly exposed to the atmosphere for each cubic 
> >> foot
> >> of net compartment volume. The underseat space meets this requirement 
> >> while
> >> the laz space has insufficient ventilation and connects with the cabin
> >> interior and bilge through wiring channels. These ventilation 
> >> requirements
> >> also apply to batteries that emit hydrogen gas during charging (solar 
> or
> >> otherwise) in confined spaces.
> >> For those who are interested, the site also provides links to pdfs of
> >> the
> >> Boatbuilder's Handbook for download.
> >>
> >> A simpler version entitled "Safety Standards for Backyard Boat 
> Builders"
> >> which I have found very useful over the years is available at:
> >>
> >>
> > 
> http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/education_safety/safety/boatwater/backyardboatb
> >> uilders.pdf
> >>
> >> Please err on the side of safety. Don't play around with lives. Many
> >> of
> >> these rules were established after an avoidable accident.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> >> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com> Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:15 AM
> >>> Charles,
> >>> Relax. I kept my fuel tank in the lazzerette for almost twenty years. 
> I
> >>> moved it only after I installed the electric motor lift which places 
> an
> >>> electric motor (sparks) in the lazz. The hatch cover for the lazz is
> >> not air
> >>> tight and if you look under both seats you will see large openings
> >> which
> >>> provide adequate ventilation. People on the list were worried that I
> >> was going to
> >>> blow myself up, but as you can see, I'm still intact. I used to 
> drink
> >> like
> >>> crazy and smoked cigars and cigarettes.......all at the same time and
> >>> never had a problem with gas fumes.
> >>>
> >>> Rummy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> In a message dated 11/18/2010 9:08:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> >>> blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I sail in teh suburbs of Dallas, Texas ..... I think I am the only
> >> Rhodie
> >>> in these parts so you probably won't even hear the explosion......I
> >> do't
> >>> have propane on the boat, I am guessing that would be for a stove? I
> >> don't
> >>> have one of those either.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for the education, I will gfive some thought to moving the 
> >>> tank.
> >>>
> >>> Charles
> >>> s/v Blue Feather
> >>> 84 R 22 ... recycled 96
> >>>
> >>>> From: mweisner at ebsmed.com
> >>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >>>> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:53:59 -0500
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction - Now gas tank in laz
> >>>>
> >>>> It depends on how far away from here you sail your Rhodes ...
> >>>>
> >>>> Basically, fuel vapors that accumulate can be fairly explosive. 
> Since
> >>> the
> >>>> laz is not ventilated, it is not a great place to store gasoline. I
> >> have
> >>>> always stored a 6 gal tank under the cockpit seat without a problem
> >>> where at
> >>>> least the fumes (lighter than air) would not be trapped.
> >>>>
> >>>> BTW, where do you store your propane (heavier than air)? Please do
> >>>> not
> >>
> >>>> store it in the cabin.
> >>>>
> >>>> Where do you sail,again?
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike
> >>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> >>>> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>> From: "Charles Nieman" <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
> >>>> To: "Rhodes List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 8:42 AM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I don't know about all that political stuff ..... but what's this
> >>> about
> >>>> > keeping your gas tank in tha lazerette????? That is where I have
> >>> always
> >>>> > kept mine .... is this a problem????
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Charles
> >>>> >
> >>>> >> From: benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com
> >>>> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >>>> >> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:40:39 -0600
> >>>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> We are overdue for some angry -- or at least passionate rants.
> >>> Thoughts
> >>>> >> on
> >>>> >> midterm elections? Sarah Palin's book tour? Did dinosaurs really
> >>> exist?
> >>>> >> Do you prefer Bicardi to Mount Gay? Isn't anyone at least 
> keeping
> >>> their
> >>>> >> gas
> >>>> >> tank in the lazerette?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Watching and waiting from BR,
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Ben
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> >> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >>>> >> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Geoff
> >> Farrell
> >>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 12:39
> >>>> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >>>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Thank God... on both counts.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:28 PM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> > Mike.
> >>>> >> > Welcome back to the list. A while back we had to have a
> >> separation
> >>> of
> >>>> >> > sailing from politics. The political people left the list and
> >>> started
> >>>> >> their
> >>>> >> > own
> >>>> >> > social network list. The sailors and most of the drunks are
> >>>> still
> >>> here.
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > Rummy
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > In a message dated 11/16/2010 3:07:58 P.M. Eastern Standard
> >>>> Time,
> >>>> >> > michael.4591 at gmail.com writes:
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > By way of a reintroduction I am Mike Corley, a loyal Rhodes
> >> owner
> >>> since
> >>>> >> > 1996. I have not been active on the list in several years. It 
> is
> >>>> >> > definitely a lot quieter now than it used to be. Sort of miss 
> >>>> >> the
> >>>> >> barroom
> >>>> >> > mentality of the old list.
> >>>> >> > I have owned two Rhodes, the first was a new 96 model I bought
> >> from
> >>>> >> > Stan and then after returning from Europe Stan made me a great
> >> deal
> >>> and
> >>>> >> > I
> >>>> >> > traded it in on a slightly used and upgraded 99 Rhodes in 
> 2000,
> >> but
> >>>> >> > that
> >>>> >> > is
> >>>> >> > another story. I like to tell people that I liked the boat so
> >> much I
> >>>> >> > bought
> >>>> >> > it twice. I still take the boat back to GB in Edenton, NC when
> >>>> it
> >>> needs
> >>>> >> > work which is infrequently. Stan and GB is the most honest
> >> business
> >>> I
> >>>> >> > have
> >>>> >> > ever dealt with and they still do good work!
> >>>> >> > I just recently retired from the Army after 30 years of 
> service.
> >> I
> >>>> >> > retired from Fort Monroe, Va and now live in Smithfield, Va at 
> >>>> >> > the
> >>>> >> > intersection of the Pagan and James Rivers. I keep my boat at
> >>>> the
> >>> Old
> >>>> >> > Point
> >>>> >> > Comfort Marina at Ft Monroe in Hampton, Va which is about 22
> >> miles
> >>> from
> >>>> >> > Smithfield. My children are grown now so I primarily 
> singlehand
> >>> which
> >>>> >> > is
> >>>> >> > easy to do in a Rhodes. I have enjoyed sailing the Southern
> >>> Chesapeake
> >>>> >> > for
> >>>> >> > the last four years. Previously I have sailed my Rhodes out 
> of
> >>> Middle
> >>>> >> > River
> >>>> >> > near Baltimore, Newbern, NC on the Neuse river, and Washington
> >> DC
> >>> on
> >>>> >> > the
> >>>> >> > Potomac River. As all of you will agree, the Rhodes is a great
> >>> costal
> >>>> >> and
> >>>> >> > inland pocket cruiser!
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > Mike Corley
> >>>> >> > S/V Ranger
> >>>> >> > 99 Rhodes
> >>>> >> > Hampton Roads, Va
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