[Rhodes22-list] rum tank in laz
BenCittadino
bencittadino at gmail.com
Thu Nov 18 18:44:43 EST 2010
My only thoughts are static electricity and cell phone electricity. ( again,
I see, agreeing w/ MikeW ).
Of course I do have the electric lift for my Y9.9, and wiring for my depth
sounder transducer, all routed through the laz.
Mike, we did what we could do and re-elected Rush Holt D-NJ(12) in my
district. I'm actually going to enjoy watching the Teapublicans learn to do
more than sulk in the corner and say "No".
Cuomo for President 2012! First Italian-American.
BenC
Ben Schultz wrote:
>
> I've sailed with Rummy. It doesn't last long enough to store.
>
> On Nov 18, 2010, at 16:43, "Chris Cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Rummy:
>>
>>
>>
>> Where do you store your Rum?
>>
>>
>>
>> Christopher P. Cowie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
>> Suite 300
>> Washington, DC 20007
>> 202.342.2711
>> 202.342.2691 fax
>> 202.270.1470 mobile
>>
>>
>> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
>>
>> cowieassociates.com
>>
>>
>>
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
>> R22RumRunner at aol.com
>> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:56 PM
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] gas tank in laz
>>
>>
>>
>> Ben,
>> As all the old timers know, this is an old, rehashed topic that Benny
>> brought up just to get the list talking again. I certainly understand
>> everyone's
>> concerns, but tell me, where's the source of ignition in the lazz? I
>> still
>> maintain that there is plenty of ventilation, even after looking at the
>> CC
>> regulations.
>>
>> Rummy
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 11/18/2010 2:50:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> bencittadino at gmail.com writes:
>>
>>
>> Rummy and Charles and Whoever;
>>
>> I am very apart from Mike politically. However, let me say this as
>> gently
>> as
>> I can. GET THOSE FREAKING GAS CANS OUT OF THE LAZARETTE THIS VERY
>> MINUTE!!!!
>> Are you suicidal? Are you just so stubborn that you are willing to die
>> rather than be reasonable? Whether the laz is "air tight" or "water
>> tight"
>> means nothing. It is incredibly dangerous to store gasoline in that
>> small
>> enclosed space. Get it the heck out of there. You can only play
>> "russian
>> roulette" for so long before you get a bullet in the head.
>>
>> And, yes, the parents of that little girl who exploited her by letting
>> her
>> sail around the world belong in jail, too!
>>
>> your devoted colleague,
>>
>> BenC
>>
>> Ben Schultz wrote:
>>>
>>> Right on. Mission accomplished. When I get bored again, I'll have
>> to
>> go
>>> back a decade and find another topic that used to get us fired up!
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael D.
>>> Weisner
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:47
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] gas tank in laz
>>>
>>> Hey Rummy,
>>>
>>> Ben was bored so he threw a lit match into a tank of gas. Charles
>> took
>>> the
>>> bait. Da list responds. You ... nevermind. Ben, be careful what
>> you
>>> wish
>>> for.
>>>
>>> I prefer to live to sail another day. I have even donned a life vest
>> in
>>> rough seas, lately. I must be growing up or something. It is truly
>> a
>>> terrible thing, this getting older business.
>>>
>>> Sail safe and make sure that your passengers are of a like mind.
>> Their
>>> lives are in your hands.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>
>>> From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com> Thursday, November 18, 2010 11:35 AM
>>>> Mike,
>>>> And how long have you been a part of this list? Do you really expect
>> me
>>>> to
>>>> live my other people's rules? Ain't happening. I'm smarter than the
>> rest
>>>> of
>>>> the planet. Is it noon yet? Anywhere?
>>>>
>>>> Rummy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 11/18/2010 11:26:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>> mweisner at ebsmed.com writes:
>>>>
>>>> Rummy,
>>>>
>>>> Your mileage not withstanding, your practice constitutes an unsafe
>>>> condition. Please review the USCG site
>>>>
>>>
>> http://www.uscgboating.org/regulations/boatbuilder_s_handbook/vent_partg
>> .asp
>>> x
>>>> with particular attention to the
>>>> following portion:
>>>> Portable Fuel Tanks
>>>> Compartments used to store vented portable fuel tanks or containers
>> are
>>>> required to be equipped with natural ventilation.
>>>>
>>>> Cockpit seat lockers in auxiliary sailboats are often used as fuel
>> tank
>>>> compartments for portable outboard motor fuel tanks. If this fuel
>> tank
>>>> vents
>>>> into the locker, then natural ventilation of this locker is
>> required.
>>>>
>>>> Since fuel vapors seek the lowest point of any compartment,
>> gasoline
>>>> vapors should be considered when designing and constructing a
>>>> compartment
>>>
>>>> that
>>>> will contain a fuel tank or container that vents into a
>> compartment.
>> Any
>>>> openings in or near the bottom of the compartment could permit
>> explosive
>>>> vapors to flow into the bilge of the boat where an ignition source
>> might
>>>> ignite
>>>> the vapors.
>>>>
>>>> The "natural ventilation" must consist of:
>>>>
>>>> (1) supply opening(s) or duct(s) from the atmosphere or from a
>>>> ventilated compartment or from a compartment that is ventilated
>>>> to the atmosphere;
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>> (2) exhaust opening(s) into another ventilated compartment or
>> exhaust
>>>> duct(s) to the atmosphere.
>>>>
>>>> Each supply opening must be located on the exterior surface of the
>> boat:
>>>> "Open to the atmosphere" means a compartment that has at least 15
>> square
>>>> inches of open area directly exposed to the atmosphere for each
>> cubic
>>>> foot
>>>> of net compartment volume. The underseat space meets this
>> requirement
>>>> while
>>>> the laz space has insufficient ventilation and connects with the
>> cabin
>>>> interior and bilge through wiring channels. These ventilation
>>>> requirements
>>>> also apply to batteries that emit hydrogen gas during charging
>> (solar
>> or
>>>> otherwise) in confined spaces.
>>>> For those who are interested, the site also provides links to pdfs
>> of
>>>> the
>>>> Boatbuilder's Handbook for download.
>>>>
>>>> A simpler version entitled "Safety Standards for Backyard Boat
>> Builders"
>>>> which I have found very useful over the years is available at:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/education_safety/safety/boatwater/backyardb
>> oatb
>>>> uilders.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Please err on the side of safety. Don't play around with lives.
>> Many
>>>> of
>>>> these rules were established after an avoidable accident.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com> Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:15 AM
>>>>> Charles,
>>>>> Relax. I kept my fuel tank in the lazzerette for almost twenty
>> years.
>> I
>>>>> moved it only after I installed the electric motor lift which
>> places
>> an
>>>>> electric motor (sparks) in the lazz. The hatch cover for the lazz
>> is
>>>> not air
>>>>> tight and if you look under both seats you will see large
>> openings
>>>> which
>>>>> provide adequate ventilation. People on the list were worried
>> that I
>>>> was going to
>>>>> blow myself up, but as you can see, I'm still intact. I used to
>> drink
>>>> like
>>>>> crazy and smoked cigars and cigarettes.......all at the same time
>> and
>>>>> never had a problem with gas fumes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rummy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In a message dated 11/18/2010 9:08:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>>> blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I sail in teh suburbs of Dallas, Texas ..... I think I am the
>> only
>>>> Rhodie
>>>>> in these parts so you probably won't even hear the
>> explosion......I
>>>> do't
>>>>> have propane on the boat, I am guessing that would be for a
>> stove? I
>>>> don't
>>>>> have one of those either.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the education, I will gfive some thought to moving the
>>>>> tank.
>>>>>
>>>>> Charles
>>>>> s/v Blue Feather
>>>>> 84 R 22 ... recycled 96
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: mweisner at ebsmed.com
>>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>>> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:53:59 -0500
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction - Now gas tank in
>> laz
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It depends on how far away from here you sail your Rhodes ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Basically, fuel vapors that accumulate can be fairly explosive.
>> Since
>>>>> the
>>>>>> laz is not ventilated, it is not a great place to store
>> gasoline. I
>>>> have
>>>>>> always stored a 6 gal tank under the cockpit seat without a
>> problem
>>>>> where at
>>>>>> least the fumes (lighter than air) would not be trapped.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, where do you store your propane (heavier than air)? Please
>> do
>>>>>> not
>>>>
>>>>>> store it in the cabin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where do you sail,again?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Charles Nieman" <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Rhodes List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 8:42 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know about all that political stuff ..... but what's
>> this
>>>>> about
>>>>>>> keeping your gas tank in tha lazerette????? That is where I
>> have
>>>>> always
>>>>>>> kept mine .... is this a problem????
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Charles
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com
>>>>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:40:39 -0600
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We are overdue for some angry -- or at least passionate
>> rants.
>>>>> Thoughts
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> midterm elections? Sarah Palin's book tour? Did dinosaurs
>> really
>>>>> exist?
>>>>>>>> Do you prefer Bicardi to Mount Gay? Isn't anyone at least
>> keeping
>>>>> their
>>>>>>>> gas
>>>>>>>> tank in the lazerette?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Watching and waiting from BR,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ben
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
>> Geoff
>>>> Farrell
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 12:39
>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank God... on both counts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:28 PM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mike.
>>>>>>>>> Welcome back to the list. A while back we had to have a
>>>> separation
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> sailing from politics. The political people left the list
>> and
>>>>> started
>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>>>> social network list. The sailors and most of the drunks are
>>>>>> still
>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rummy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In a message dated 11/16/2010 3:07:58 P.M. Eastern
>> Standard
>>>>>> Time,
>>>>>>>>> michael.4591 at gmail.com writes:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> By way of a reintroduction I am Mike Corley, a loyal
>> Rhodes
>>>> owner
>>>>> since
>>>>>>>>> 1996. I have not been active on the list in several years.
>> It
>> is
>>>>>>>>> definitely a lot quieter now than it used to be. Sort of
>> miss
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> barroom
>>>>>>>>> mentality of the old list.
>>>>>>>>> I have owned two Rhodes, the first was a new 96 model I
>> bought
>>>> from
>>>>>>>>> Stan and then after returning from Europe Stan made me a
>> great
>>>> deal
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> traded it in on a slightly used and upgraded 99 Rhodes in
>> 2000,
>>>> but
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> another story. I like to tell people that I liked the boat
>> so
>>>> much I
>>>>>>>>> bought
>>>>>>>>> it twice. I still take the boat back to GB in Edenton, NC
>> when
>>>>>> it
>>>>> needs
>>>>>>>>> work which is infrequently. Stan and GB is the most honest
>>>> business
>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> ever dealt with and they still do good work!
>>>>>>>>> I just recently retired from the Army after 30 years of
>> service.
>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> retired from Fort Monroe, Va and now live in Smithfield, Va
>> at
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> intersection of the Pagan and James Rivers. I keep my boat
>> at
>>>>>> the
>>>>> Old
>>>>>>>>> Point
>>>>>>>>> Comfort Marina at Ft Monroe in Hampton, Va which is about
>> 22
>>>> miles
>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>> Smithfield. My children are grown now so I primarily
>> singlehand
>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> easy to do in a Rhodes. I have enjoyed sailing the
>> Southern
>>>>> Chesapeake
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> the last four years. Previously I have sailed my Rhodes
>> out
>> of
>>>>> Middle
>>>>>>>>> River
>>>>>>>>> near Baltimore, Newbern, NC on the Neuse river, and
>> Washington
>>>> DC
>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> Potomac River. As all of you will agree, the Rhodes is a
>> great
>>>>> costal
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> inland pocket cruiser!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mike Corley
>>>>>>>>> S/V Ranger
>>>>>>>>> 99 Rhodes
>>>>>>>>> Hampton Roads, Va
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