[Rhodes22-list] rum tank in laz

Fri Nov 19 12:05:13 EST 2010

Wait a minute here .... yall are busting my chops over a gas tank in the laz and you are useing plastic gas containers???? I hate to tell you this, but those do not meet OSHA regulations .... at least I have a metal gas can

C

> From: benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:45:35 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] rum tank in laz
> 
> That sounds like a good idea.
> 
> Under the seat, there's no need for a fuel gauge. In the day, I can tell
> perfectly level where the line is in the tank just by looking at the side of
> the tank.
> 
> Ben
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Rick
> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 09:11
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] rum tank in laz
> 
> Rummy,
> 
> Ever open your laz on a sunny day? It can get very hot in there.
> 
> I mounted an eye bolt under my bench. A bungee cord through the tank handle
> and hooked to the bolt keeps the gas tank from sliding out on a severe heel
> to starboard. And I can still slide the tank out enough to see the fuel
> gauge. (Easier than trying to see it leaning into the dark laz.)
> 
> Rick
> 
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 9:20 AM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> > Advantage to storing in the lazz is that it is out of sight, lockable and
> > the lazz has loops in it to actually tie the tank in place. Under the seat
> > (it's current location) allows it to come flying out when healed over. I
> > haven't found a good way to tie it down yet under the seat. Also, out of
> > the
> > sun so gas tank lasts longer. No UV exposure. In my boat there is no
> > connection between the lazz and any other part of the boat. I know
> because
> > I have
> > crawled around inside mine several times.
> >
> > Rummy
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 11/18/2010 7:01:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > mweisner at ebsmed.com writes:
> >
> > I still want to know what the tremendous advantage of storing gasoline in
> > the laz is!
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> >
> > From: "Hank" Thursday, November 18, 2010 6:49 PM
> > > Cell phone electricity is not an issue. That has been tested and
> proved
> > > to
> > > not be a threat, both by mythbusters and by real scientists.
> > >
> > > Hank
> > >
> > > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 6:44 PM, BenCittadino
> > > <bencittadino at gmail.com>wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> My only thoughts are static electricity and cell phone electricity. (
> > >> again,
> > >> I see, agreeing w/ MikeW ).
> > >>
> > >> Of course I do have the electric lift for my Y9.9, and wiring for my
> > >> depth
> > >> sounder transducer, all routed through the laz.
> > >>
> > >> Mike, we did what we could do and re-elected Rush Holt D-NJ(12) in my
> > >> district. I'm actually going to enjoy watching the Teapublicans learn
> > to
> > >> do
> > >> more than sulk in the corner and say "No".
> > >>
> > >> Cuomo for President 2012! First Italian-American.
> > >>
> > >> BenC
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Ben Schultz wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > I've sailed with Rummy. It doesn't last long enough to store.
> > >> >
> > >> > On Nov 18, 2010, at 16:43, "Chris Cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com
> > >
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> Rummy:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Where do you store your Rum?
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Christopher P. Cowie
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> > >> >> Suite 300
> > >> >> Washington, DC 20007
> > >> >> 202.342.2711
> > >> >> 202.342.2691 fax
> > >> >> 202.270.1470 mobile
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
> > >> >>
> > >> >> cowieassociates.com
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > >> >> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> > >> >> R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > >> >> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:56 PM
> > >> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] gas tank in laz
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Ben,
> > >> >> As all the old timers know, this is an old, rehashed topic that
> > Benny
> > >> >> brought up just to get the list talking again. I certainly
> > understand
> > >> >> everyone's
> > >> >> concerns, but tell me, where's the source of ignition in the lazz?
> > I
> > >> >> still
> > >> >> maintain that there is plenty of ventilation, even after looking at
> > >> >> the
> > >> >> CC
> > >> >> regulations.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Rummy
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> In a message dated 11/18/2010 2:50:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > >> >> bencittadino at gmail.com writes:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Rummy and Charles and Whoever;
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I am very apart from Mike politically. However, let me say this as
> > >> >> gently
> > >> >> as
> > >> >> I can. GET THOSE FREAKING GAS CANS OUT OF THE LAZARETTE THIS VERY
> > >> >> MINUTE!!!!
> > >> >> Are you suicidal? Are you just so stubborn that you are willing to
> > >> >> die
> > >> >> rather than be reasonable? Whether the laz is "air tight" or
> > "water
> > >> >> tight"
> > >> >> means nothing. It is incredibly dangerous to store gasoline in
> that
> > >> >> small
> > >> >> enclosed space. Get it the heck out of there. You can only play
> > >> >> "russian
> > >> >> roulette" for so long before you get a bullet in the head.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> And, yes, the parents of that little girl who exploited her by
> > letting
> > >> >> her
> > >> >> sail around the world belong in jail, too!
> > >> >>
> > >> >> your devoted colleague,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> BenC
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Ben Schultz wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Right on. Mission accomplished. When I get bored again, I'll
> > have
> > >> >> to
> > >> >> go
> > >> >>> back a decade and find another topic that used to get us fired
> up!
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >> >>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > >> >>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael
> > D.
> > >> >>> Weisner
> > >> >>> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:47
> > >> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > >> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] gas tank in laz
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Hey Rummy,
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Ben was bored so he threw a lit match into a tank of gas.
> Charles
> > >> >> took
> > >> >>> the
> > >> >>> bait. Da list responds. You ... nevermind. Ben, be careful
> > what
> > >> >> you
> > >> >>> wish
> > >> >>> for.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> I prefer to live to sail another day. I have even donned a life
> > >> >>> vest
> > >> >> in
> > >> >>> rough seas, lately. I must be growing up or something. It is
> > truly
> > >> >> a
> > >> >>> terrible thing, this getting older business.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Sail safe and make sure that your passengers are of a like mind.
> > >> >> Their
> > >> >>> lives are in your hands.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Mike
> > >> >>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> > >> >>> Nissequogue River, NY
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com> Thursday, November 18, 2010 11:35 AM
> > >> >>>> Mike,
> > >> >>>> And how long have you been a part of this list? Do you really
> > >> >>>> expect
> > >> >> me
> > >> >>>> to
> > >> >>>> live my other people's rules? Ain't happening. I'm smarter than
> > the
> > >> >> rest
> > >> >>>> of
> > >> >>>> the planet. Is it noon yet? Anywhere?
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Rummy
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> In a message dated 11/18/2010 11:26:25 A.M. Eastern Standard
> > Time,
> > >> >>>> mweisner at ebsmed.com writes:
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Rummy,
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Your mileage not withstanding, your practice constitutes an
> > unsafe
> > >> >>>> condition. Please review the USCG site
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>
> > >>
> > http://www.uscgboating.org/regulations/boatbuilder_s_handbook/vent_partg
> > >> >> .asp
> > >> >>> x
> > >> >>>> with particular attention to the
> > >> >>>> following portion:
> > >> >>>> Portable Fuel Tanks
> > >> >>>> Compartments used to store vented portable fuel tanks or
> > >> >>>> containers
> > >> >> are
> > >> >>>> required to be equipped with natural ventilation.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Cockpit seat lockers in auxiliary sailboats are often used as
> fuel
> > >> >> tank
> > >> >>>> compartments for portable outboard motor fuel tanks. If this
> fuel
> > >> >> tank
> > >> >>>> vents
> > >> >>>> into the locker, then natural ventilation of this locker is
> > >> >> required.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Since fuel vapors seek the lowest point of any compartment,
> > >> >> gasoline
> > >> >>>> vapors should be considered when designing and constructing a
> > >> >>>> compartment
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>> that
> > >> >>>> will contain a fuel tank or container that vents into a
> > >> >> compartment.
> > >> >> Any
> > >> >>>> openings in or near the bottom of the compartment could permit
> > >> >> explosive
> > >> >>>> vapors to flow into the bilge of the boat where an ignition
> > source
> > >> >> might
> > >> >>>> ignite
> > >> >>>> the vapors.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> The "natural ventilation" must consist of:
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> (1) supply opening(s) or duct(s) from the atmosphere or from a
> > >> >>>> ventilated compartment or from a compartment that is ventilated
> > >> >>>> to the atmosphere;
> > >> >>>> and
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> (2) exhaust opening(s) into another ventilated compartment or
> > >> >> exhaust
> > >> >>>> duct(s) to the atmosphere.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Each supply opening must be located on the exterior surface of
> > the
> > >> >> boat:
> > >> >>>> "Open to the atmosphere" means a compartment that has at least
> > 15
> > >> >> square
> > >> >>>> inches of open area directly exposed to the atmosphere for
> each
> > >> >> cubic
> > >> >>>> foot
> > >> >>>> of net compartment volume. The underseat space meets this
> > >> >> requirement
> > >> >>>> while
> > >> >>>> the laz space has insufficient ventilation and connects with
> the
> > >> >> cabin
> > >> >>>> interior and bilge through wiring channels. These ventilation
> > >> >>>> requirements
> > >> >>>> also apply to batteries that emit hydrogen gas during charging
> > >> >> (solar
> > >> >> or
> > >> >>>> otherwise) in confined spaces.
> > >> >>>> For those who are interested, the site also provides links to
> > pdfs
> > >> >> of
> > >> >>>> the
> > >> >>>> Boatbuilder's Handbook for download.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> A simpler version entitled "Safety Standards for Backyard Boat
> > >> >> Builders"
> > >> >>>> which I have found very useful over the years is available
> > at:
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>
> > >>
> > http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/education_safety/safety/boatwater/backyardb
> > >> >> oatb
> > >> >>>> uilders.pdf
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Please err on the side of safety. Don't play around with
> lives.
> > >> >> Many
> > >> >>>> of
> > >> >>>> these rules were established after an avoidable accident.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Mike
> > >> >>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> > >> >>>> Nissequogue River, NY
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com> Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:15
> > AM
> > >> >>>>> Charles,
> > >> >>>>> Relax. I kept my fuel tank in the lazzerette for almost
> twenty
> > >> >> years.
> > >> >> I
> > >> >>>>> moved it only after I installed the electric motor lift which
> > >> >> places
> > >> >> an
> > >> >>>>> electric motor (sparks) in the lazz. The hatch cover for the
> > >> >>>>> lazz
> > >> >> is
> > >> >>>> not air
> > >> >>>>> tight and if you look under both seats you will see large
> > >> >> openings
> > >> >>>> which
> > >> >>>>> provide adequate ventilation. People on the list were worried
> > >> >> that I
> > >> >>>> was going to
> > >> >>>>> blow myself up, but as you can see, I'm still intact. I used
> > to
> > >> >> drink
> > >> >>>> like
> > >> >>>>> crazy and smoked cigars and cigarettes.......all at the same
> > >> >>>>> time
> > >> >> and
> > >> >>>>> never had a problem with gas fumes.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> Rummy
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> In a message dated 11/18/2010 9:08:19 A.M. Eastern Standard
> > Time,
> > >> >>>>> blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> I sail in teh suburbs of Dallas, Texas ..... I think I am the
> > >> >> only
> > >> >>>> Rhodie
> > >> >>>>> in these parts so you probably won't even hear the
> > >> >> explosion......I
> > >> >>>> do't
> > >> >>>>> have propane on the boat, I am guessing that would be for a
> > >> >> stove? I
> > >> >>>> don't
> > >> >>>>> have one of those either.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> Thanks for the education, I will gfive some thought to moving
> > the
> > >> >>>>> tank.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> Charles
> > >> >>>>> s/v Blue Feather
> > >> >>>>> 84 R 22 ... recycled 96
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> From: mweisner at ebsmed.com
> > >> >>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > >> >>>>>> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:53:59 -0500
> > >> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction - Now gas tank
> in
> > >> >> laz
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> It depends on how far away from here you sail your Rhodes
> > ...
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> Basically, fuel vapors that accumulate can be fairly
> > explosive.
> > >> >> Since
> > >> >>>>> the
> > >> >>>>>> laz is not ventilated, it is not a great place to store
> > >> >> gasoline. I
> > >> >>>> have
> > >> >>>>>> always stored a 6 gal tank under the cockpit seat without a
> > >> >> problem
> > >> >>>>> where at
> > >> >>>>>> least the fumes (lighter than air) would not be trapped.
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> BTW, where do you store your propane (heavier than air)?
> > Please
> > >> >> do
> > >> >>>>>> not
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>>> store it in the cabin.
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> Where do you sail,again?
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> Mike
> > >> >>>>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> > >> >>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> >>>>>> From: "Charles Nieman" <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
> > >> >>>>>> To: "Rhodes List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 8:42 AM
> > >> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> I don't know about all that political stuff ..... but what's
> > >> >> this
> > >> >>>>> about
> > >> >>>>>>> keeping your gas tank in tha lazerette????? That is where I
> > >> >> have
> > >> >>>>> always
> > >> >>>>>>> kept mine .... is this a problem????
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> Charles
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>> From: benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com
> > >> >>>>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > >> >>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:40:39 -0600
> > >> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>> We are overdue for some angry -- or at least passionate
> > >> >> rants.
> > >> >>>>> Thoughts
> > >> >>>>>>>> on
> > >> >>>>>>>> midterm elections? Sarah Palin's book tour? Did dinosaurs
> > >> >> really
> > >> >>>>> exist?
> > >> >>>>>>>> Do you prefer Bicardi to Mount Gay? Isn't anyone at least
> > >> >> keeping
> > >> >>>>> their
> > >> >>>>>>>> gas
> > >> >>>>>>>> tank in the lazerette?
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>> Watching and waiting from BR,
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>> Ben
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >> >>>>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > >> >>>>>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> > >> >> Geoff
> > >> >>>> Farrell
> > >> >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 12:39
> > >> >>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > >> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>> Thank God... on both counts.
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:28 PM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
> > >> >> wrote:
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>> Mike.
> > >> >>>>>>>>> Welcome back to the list. A while back we had to have a
> > >> >>>> separation
> > >> >>>>> of
> > >> >>>>>>>>> sailing from politics. The political people left the list
> > >> >> and
> > >> >>>>> started
> > >> >>>>>>>> their
> > >> >>>>>>>>> own
> > >> >>>>>>>>> social network list. The sailors and most of the drunks
> > are
> > >> >>>>>> still
> > >> >>>>> here.
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>> Rummy
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>> In a message dated 11/16/2010 3:07:58 P.M. Eastern
> > >> >> Standard
> > >> >>>>>> Time,
> > >> >>>>>>>>> michael.4591 at gmail.com writes:
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>> By way of a reintroduction I am Mike Corley, a loyal
> > >> >> Rhodes
> > >> >>>> owner
> > >> >>>>> since
> > >> >>>>>>>>> 1996. I have not been active on the list in several
> > years.
> > >> >> It
> > >> >> is
> > >> >>>>>>>>> definitely a lot quieter now than it used to be. Sort of
> > >> >> miss
> > >> >>>>>>>> the
> > >> >>>>>>>> barroom
> > >> >>>>>>>>> mentality of the old list.
> > >> >>>>>>>>> I have owned two Rhodes, the first was a new 96 model I
> > >> >> bought
> > >> >>>> from
> > >> >>>>>>>>> Stan and then after returning from Europe Stan made me a
> > >> >> great
> > >> >>>> deal
> > >> >>>>> and
> > >> >>>>>>>>> I
> > >> >>>>>>>>> traded it in on a slightly used and upgraded 99 Rhodes in
> > >> >> 2000,
> > >> >>>> but
> > >> >>>>>>>>> that
> > >> >>>>>>>>> is
> > >> >>>>>>>>> another story. I like to tell people that I liked the
> boat
> > >> >> so
> > >> >>>> much I
> > >> >>>>>>>>> bought
> > >> >>>>>>>>> it twice. I still take the boat back to GB in Edenton, NC
> > >> >> when
> > >> >>>>>> it
> > >> >>>>> needs
> > >> >>>>>>>>> work which is infrequently. Stan and GB is the most honest
> > >> >>>> business
> > >> >>>>> I
> > >> >>>>>>>>> have
> > >> >>>>>>>>> ever dealt with and they still do good work!
> > >> >>>>>>>>> I just recently retired from the Army after 30 years of
> > >> >> service.
> > >> >>>> I
> > >> >>>>>>>>> retired from Fort Monroe, Va and now live in Smithfield,
> > Va
> > >> >> at
> > >> >>>>>>>>> the
> > >> >>>>>>>>> intersection of the Pagan and James Rivers. I keep my
> boat
> > >> >> at
> > >> >>>>>> the
> > >> >>>>> Old
> > >> >>>>>>>>> Point
> > >> >>>>>>>>> Comfort Marina at Ft Monroe in Hampton, Va which is
> about
> > >> >> 22
> > >> >>>> miles
> > >> >>>>> from
> > >> >>>>>>>>> Smithfield. My children are grown now so I primarily
> > >> >> singlehand
> > >> >>>>> which
> > >> >>>>>>>>> is
> > >> >>>>>>>>> easy to do in a Rhodes. I have enjoyed sailing the
> > >> >> Southern
> > >> >>>>> Chesapeake
> > >> >>>>>>>>> for
> > >> >>>>>>>>> the last four years. Previously I have sailed my Rhodes
> > >> >> out
> > >> >> of
> > >> >>>>> Middle
> > >> >>>>>>>>> River
> > >> >>>>>>>>> near Baltimore, Newbern, NC on the Neuse river, and
> > >> >> Washington
> > >> >>>> DC
> > >> >>>>> on
> > >> >>>>>>>>> the
> > >> >>>>>>>>> Potomac River. As all of you will agree, the Rhodes is a
> > >> >> great
> > >> >>>>> costal
> > >> >>>>>>>> and
> > >> >>>>>>>>> inland pocket cruiser!
> > >> >>>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>>> Mike Corley
> > >> >>>>>>>>> S/V Ranger
> > >> >>>>>>>>> 99 Rhodes
> > >> >>>>>>>>> Hampton Roads, Va
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