[Rhodes22-list] Sailing Upwind

Tue Oct 26 09:30:16 EDT 2010

I have the 175 on my R22 2009.  I have made several posts about the difficulty of sailing close hauled.  I like the 175 for the power and speed it offers.  Furling the genoa in to a jib and positioning the sheets on the side or top of the cabin allows me to point higher but often at the cost of speed.  I don't think I would want to give up the power and speed of the 175 and can live with a less than perfectly shaped jib.  Stan suggested that Phillip Rhodes original design of our boat was for the stern to not have as much weight as we have added with heavy motors, gas tanks, anchors etc... and for the stern to sit higher in the water.  I currently have both the sink water tank and holding tank filled with water as an experiment to see if putting more weight up forward could improve the pointing ability.  I hope to get out for one more overnight adventure on the Chesapeake and will report back on my water tank experiment. 

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From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Ronald Lipton
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 4:16 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing Upwind

We had a similar refit, with a 150 rather than a 140.  I am more comfortable with the new
sail plan.  We also have a UPS sail fo days with very light winds.

Ron

On 10/26/10 5:37 AM, fcrawford0707 at aol.com wrote:
> When Stan did a partial refit ('06) on our '94, we upgraded the furling main to the battened version and substituted a 140 genoa for the original 175 - the combination has proven to be a substantial improvement over the original sail plan.  I usually furl / reef the 140 to about a 110 going upwind, except in very light air - the extent of the reef leaves the shape pretty well intact - at least far better than when we reefed the 175 down.   The other factor that plays a part here is the height of the head of the genoa when reefed to a 110- it is a much lower-aspect sail when a 175 is reefed than when a 140 is reefed.  Overall, I much prefer the 140 to the original 175.
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> From: Arthur H. Czerwonky<czerwonky at earthlink.net>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Mon, Oct 25, 2010 8:11 pm
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing Upwind
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> A 175% Genny is quite large, upwind sailing can be very difficult to handle in
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> high winds, ergo we shorten the sail.  If that is the case, and we effectively
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> create a jib, even if it is a mite sloppy when furled, it can operate as a
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> self-tacking jib if we have the boat rigged.  If it is self tending it is
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> unnecessary to re-route the sheets, just connect the genny clew to the
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> 'traveler'.  Does that make sense?
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>> From: Rick<sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Oct 25, 2010 5:58 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing Upwind
>> Art,
>> I don't get it.  What is" changing from a 175% config to beating upwind?"
>> Rick
>> On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Arthur H. Czerwonky<
>> czerwonky at earthlink.net>  wrote:
>>> A few times, a self-tending jib rig has been brought up on the list.  It
>>> really is simple to set up, regardless of the size of the genoa.  This would
>>> facilitate changing from a 175% config to beating upwind.
>>> Art
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rhodes22Dave<Rhodes22Dave at gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: Oct 24, 2010 11:50 PM
>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing Upwind
>>>> Interesting. I will try this.  I also thought that re-routing the genoa
>>>> sheets inside the shrouds would just get the sail caught.  I have never
>>>> liked the 175 genoa very much because I can't sail nearly as close to the
>>>> wind as any of hundreds of other sailboats on our lake.  I can do a little
>>>> better by furling in the genoa to a much smaller exposed sail area--but at
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>>>> cost of sail shape with all the furling.  I may get a second R22 and am
>>>> thinking of getting a smaller genoa--or adding the self-tending jib.  But
>>>> what you suggest might be a solution, at least for long tacks.
>>>> Dave
>>>> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>>>>> I had two days in a row on Sandy Hook Bay in NJ this weekend, and I want
>>>>> to report that I had a pleasing experience by "finally" re-routing the
>>>>> Jib (175 Genny) sheets inside the outer shrouds to try for better upwind
>>>>> sailing. I have to say that I didn't expect much difference, but I was
>>>>> delighted to get inside 45 degrees at last. I obviously didn't let the
>>>>> Genny out to the full 175, but at 100 we flew along and I felt like I
>>>>> could make real headway upwind. I had delayed trying the new route for
>>>>> the sheets because I thought the sail would get all hung up in the
>>>>> shrouds, but it's become no big deal. Try it, you'll like it.
>>>>> BenCittadino
>>>>> S/V Susan Kay ('93 recycled '08)
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