[Rhodes22-list] BOB Triad Trials

Thu Jun 23 10:52:21 EDT 2011

I don't think I can add any more to this other than to say that I have trailered for many miles and when I am going long distance I will remove the rudder, but leave the Yamaha 9.9 mounted.  The reason?  It is fairly easy to remvoe the rudder, but the weight and bulk of the motor makes it a chore.  That said, I do no rely on just the motor mount to support the weight of the motor.  I will tie a rope from the motor to the stern rail and distribute the weight between the lift and the rail and the stern eyebolts.  I have the dual axle Triad so weight distribution is not as critical and I am able to get the boat far enough forward on the trailer that I have enough tounge weight, although "just" enough.  The bouncing that you get on the road is more severe than when you are on the water, so I make a habit of carefully inspecting the motor mount and have not seen any fatigue wear to date.

Bill Wickman
s/v Fina Lee

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From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] on behalf of Mary Lou Troy [mtroy at atlanticbb.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 6:03 PM
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] BOB Triad Trials

Joe,
If you have the boat far enough forward on the trailer that's true
but we always removed the rudder and outboard for trailering
distances. I suppose its possible to get the boat too far forward
with too much tongue weight but we never achieved it. Of course we
never used the tongue extension either. The ramp we regularly use is
a little on the short side. When we trailered with the Chev. Blazer
we used to have the tailpipe bubbling. Now with the Frontier which
has larger tires and a different configuration we just get the tires
wet. For a long shallow ramp, we would use the extension. For a
steeper ramp we don't.

There is some good advice here:
http://www.rhodes22.org/blew_skies/tip001.html

and here:
http://www.rhodes22.org/blew_skies/recovery.html

and here is the "Fred & Mary Lou technique" referenced in the above from 1999:

"Russ, Last year (our first year of launching & loading Fretless) we
had similar problems. Our first retrieval by ourselves I think we
achieved a tongue weight of about 25 lbs. Because we just store the
boat on its trailer at a marina we didn't have to worry about pulling
it anywhere. We asked the list for advice and got some helpful advice
about how to get the boat those last 8 or 9 inches forward but what
works may depend on the steepness of the ramp. We have heard of good
success from people who motor their boat on the trailer. Having never
seen this done, we've never tried it. I know Stan says you can sail
the boat on the trailer.....

Here is what works for us at our ramp. It involves someone getting
wet. We don't use the tongue extension. We submerge the trailer until
forward ends of the bunks are just barely above the water. (Getting
the trailer too deep can cause other problems.) We position the bow
stop on the trailer all the way forward. We then pull and winch the
boat as far forward as she will go.

Usually this is right up to the bow stop - the boat then wants to
settle aft as we pull her out. We pull the boat out a little bit at a
time. As the boat comes out of the water the bow position changes and
slack develops in the winch strap. The first 2-3 pulls are a foot or
less and we tighten up on the winch strap each time. Usually by this
time the weight of the boat is fully on the bunks and we can pull her
the rest of the way out without her slipping back further."

We still  use this technique although with our current truck and
ramp, someone rarely gets wet.

Best of luck,

Mary Lou
1991 R22 Fretless
Rock Hall, MD

At 03:16 PM 6/21/2011, you wrote:
>Bob:
>
>Define "a lot of weight on the boat transom."  I'll have the
>rudder/tiller and my little 6 hp outboard.  Souldn't be a problem, I think.
>
>Joe Camp
>s/v John Dawson
>
>
>________________________________
>From: Rhodes Net <bobandkathyr22 at bellsouth.net>
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>Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 3:02 PM
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trials
>
>What that means is that the mid point of the boat is centered on the
>hub of the axle wheel for a single axle trailer as a rule of
>thumb.  Precise measurement would give you proper tongue weight.  I
>add that because if you have a lot of weight on the boat transom,
>you could still get some "fishtailing."
>
>Bob on "NoKaOi 3"
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Jun 21, 2011, at 1:44 PM, Ejor2 <ejor2 at aol.com> wrote:
>
> > One of the most important things is to get the boat all the way
> up on the trailer. If you don't get the right weight on the tongue,
> it will cause swaying.
> >
> > Eric J.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Jun 21, 2011, at 8:53 AM, Leland <LKUHN at cnmc.org> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Joe,
> >>
> >> Very important advice from Kathy.  My boat also "dropped into an abyss"
> >> first time I launched it.  We tied another truck to the launch truck and
> >> with both vehicles we had enough power to pull the trailer
> wheels back up on
> >> solid ground.
> >>
> >> Good luck!
> >>
> >> Lee
> >> 1986 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> >> Kent Island, MD
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> James Barron wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Joe,
> >>>
> >>> The trailer is great and works just as it is supposed to. Check the
> >>> integrity of the bunks, bolts, etc.
> >>> The only problem we had launching with the tongue extension was that we
> >>> backed the trailer wheels past the end of the ramp and the wheels
> >>> essentially dropped into an abyss with the trailer frame resting on the
> >>> concrete. Thankfully, we had access to our sailing club's rescue boat and
> >>> used the crane to lift the trailer so it could be pulled forward. I think
> >>> others have had the same problem with varying solutions. We never again
> >>> put the trailer in without first using a "feeler" pole to find the end of
> >>> the ramp.
> >>>
> >>> Happy sailing,   Kathy
> >>>
> >>> ---- Joe Camp <jjcampjr at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>> Hi Gang:
> >>>>
> >>>> Soon, I will use my Triad trailer for the first time.  I'm
> moving my boat
> >>>> from northern North Carolina to southeastern Pennsylvania.  (and ne'er
> >>>> the twain shall meet)  Of course, I helped Elton in the launch
> last year;
> >>>> but it was ninety-five (f-ing) degrees, I am prone to heat
> stroke, and my
> >>>> blood-sugar was very low.  Then, I was not too concerned with the
> >>>> workings of the trailer.  Now, I am.
> >>>>
> >>>> Please give me a bit of your expert advice concerning the use of the
> >>>> extending tongue (the trailer's, not my own) as well as any hints about
> >>>> behavior and handling you might feel well placed.  We're trekking north
> >>>> on I-85 to
> >>>> I-95 and into the Philly suburbs.  I hope she trails as well as she
> >>>> sails.  Thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>> Joe Camp
> >>>> s/v John Dawson
> >>>> High Point, NC
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