[Rhodes22-list] Mast Step Popped
R22RumRunner at aol.com
R22RumRunner at aol.com
Tue Sep 13 13:18:06 EDT 2011
You are correct. Epoxy can't cure rot, but it does soak into the dry fibers
and reinforces them sufficient enough that a tear down isn't required.
It's been done like this for years and I haven't seen one instance that this
fix failed.
Enough with this cit chat, I'm going sailing. Later.
Rummy
In a message dated 9/13/2011 1:09:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
sloopblueheron at gmail.com writes:
Rummy,
Replacing the wood under the mast doesn't require a complete deck tear
down. At least it didn't on my '93. There is a separate plank under the
mast step twice as thick as the plywood deck core and attached to the
framing for the forward bulkhead.
The problem is, the wood supporting the mast step plate is very vulnerable
to water penetration due to the screws. Once wood gets wet, it rots.
Epoxy
can't cure rot.
Rick
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 12:40 PM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
> Replacing the wood is out of the question. That would require a complete
> tear down of the deck and I don't think any of us want to do that.
Filling
> the holes with epoxy, allowing to dry and then drill new holes is the
best
> way to approach this. 3m4200 is an adhesive and I don't think it will
flow
> readily enough to fill the gaps and voids. I've had my Rhodes now for
> almost
> twenty years and I have never ever damaged the mast step. Perhaps its
> because I don't lower the mast to the stern. I lower it to the bow,
> eliminating
> the possibility of damage to the step. If you have the factory mast
crane
> you must lower it to the stern. Just make certain the mast comes down on
> the
> mast crutch or you will damage the pop top and the step. Also, don't
> forget to disconnect the pop top slider. :)
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 9/13/2011 11:21:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> sloopblueheron at gmail.com writes:
>
> Rob,
>
> I agree 4200 would be a good temporary fix until tackling replacement of
> the
> wood.
>
> Rick
>
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>
> > Rick,
> > Yes, you want to use something that will shear off. I believe 3M
4200
> is
> > the preferred product. You want something that can be disassembled
> (i.e.,
> > will break loose) if need be. If you think about it, you only want
the
> > screws and adhesive to keep the mast step stationary while there is
some
> > horizontal force on it when the mast is first raised. - rob
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
> > rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Rick
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 9:40 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Step Popped
> >
> > Rummy,
> >
> > I did this repair using epoxy. The subsequent tear-off of the plate
> caused
> > extensive damage, including a crack that ran all the way to a cabin
> rail.
> >
> > Are you sure Stan uses epoxy? I suspect he uses something with shear
> > strength more approaching wood. Plus, the underlying wood can't have
> rot
> > and there can't be any voids between the wood and gelcoat.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:00 AM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Rick,
> > > I'm not sure where you are going with this. The repair that has been
> > > mentio
> > > ned has been done by many Rhodies over the years. It is the best way
> to
> > > repair the step. It is the repair that Stan uses at the factory.
> > >
> > > Rummy
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 9/12/2011 11:08:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > sloopblueheron at gmail.com writes:
> > >
> > > David,
> > >
> > > Your problem won't be the epoxy holding with careful raising and
> lower
> > of
> > > your mast. Your problem will be the damage done by the epoxy when
> you
> > > have
> > > another mishap.
> > >
> > > Rick
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 9:08 PM, David Craft <Chsyhkr at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Rob,
> > > >
> > > > I was raising the mast from the back using the crutch that hangs
> off
> > the
> > > > transom.
> > > >
> > > > As we started to raise the mast, we realized we need to manuever
> the
> > > jib
> > > > around a shroud. He set the mast down on back rail and not
back
> in
> > the
> > > > crutch. It was enough leverage, with the pop top acting as a
> fulcrum
> > to
> > > > pop
> > > > the plate off.
> > > >
> > > > I drilled out the holes today. The wood is damp but not
> > deteriorating.
> > > I
> > > > think it treated Southern Yellow Pine. It will be dry for a
week
> > here,
> > > > enough time for it dry well before repairing. The glass is
intact,
> > > except
> > > > for one spot around the fore screw. A quarter size piece, about
> half
> > > the
> > > > thickness popped out.
> > > >
> > > > I think the epoxy repair should last for a good while with
careful
> > > raising
> > > > and lowering......
> > > >
> > > > David Craft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Rob Lowe wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > David,
> > > > > Was this when you were raising or lowering the mast? Which
> > direction
> > > to
> > > > > you lower to? - rob
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > > > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of David
> > Craft
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 5:45 PM
> > > > > To: Rhodes List
> > > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Step Popped
> > > > >
> > > > > While setting our mast at a local lake the mast step popped
off
> with
> > > the
> > > > > screws somewhat stripped. We reset it and raised it carefully
> > > figuring
> > > > > that
> > > > > the weight would help hold it.
> > > > >
> > > > > While taking it down, it popped again, necessitating the
repair I
> > > > expected
> > > > > when it popped the first time.
> > > > >
> > > > > The boat is a 89, recycled in 08.
> > > > >
> > > > > The step is secured with three 1 inch screws. I am thinking
of
> > > drilling
> > > > > out the holes, repairing with epoxy, drilling new pilot
holes,
> and
> > > > > resetting. I have heard suggestions from inserting lugs to
> > drilling
> > > all
> > > > > the way through and using bolts and nuts. The wall for the
head
> is
> > a
> > > > > support below the step, so drilling through is not advisable.
> Can
> > > longer
> > > > > screws be used?
> > > > >
> > > > > Advice is appreciated as I need to make this repair in the
next
> two
> > > > weeks.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > David B. Craft
> > > > > Greensboro, NC
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