[Rhodes22-list] Mast Step Popped

Bob Keller r22yankeeclipper at hotmail.com
Tue Sep 13 20:45:03 EDT 2011 

If I had to replace the deck I would just buy a new boat.................)
 

> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 13:18:06 -0400
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Step Popped
> 
> You are correct. Epoxy can't cure rot, but it does soak into the dry fibers 
> and reinforces them sufficient enough that a tear down isn't required. 
> It's been done like this for years and I haven't seen one instance that this 
> fix failed.
> Enough with this cit chat, I'm going sailing. Later.
> 
> Rummy
> 
> 
> In a message dated 9/13/2011 1:09:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
> sloopblueheron at gmail.com writes:
> 
> Rummy,
> 
> Replacing the wood under the mast doesn't require a complete deck tear
> down. At least it didn't on my '93. There is a separate plank under the
> mast step twice as thick as the plywood deck core and attached to the
> framing for the forward bulkhead.
> 
> The problem is, the wood supporting the mast step plate is very vulnerable
> to water penetration due to the screws. Once wood gets wet, it rots. 
> Epoxy
> can't cure rot.
> 
> Rick
> 
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 12:40 PM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> > Replacing the wood is out of the question. That would require a complete
> > tear down of the deck and I don't think any of us want to do that. 
> Filling
> > the holes with epoxy, allowing to dry and then drill new holes is the 
> best
> > way to approach this. 3m4200 is an adhesive and I don't think it will 
> flow
> > readily enough to fill the gaps and voids. I've had my Rhodes now for
> > almost
> > twenty years and I have never ever damaged the mast step. Perhaps its
> > because I don't lower the mast to the stern. I lower it to the bow,
> > eliminating
> > the possibility of damage to the step. If you have the factory mast 
> crane
> > you must lower it to the stern. Just make certain the mast comes down on
> > the
> > mast crutch or you will damage the pop top and the step. Also, don't
> > forget to disconnect the pop top slider. :)
> >
> > Rummy
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 9/13/2011 11:21:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > sloopblueheron at gmail.com writes:
> >
> > Rob,
> >
> > I agree 4200 would be a good temporary fix until tackling replacement of
> > the
> > wood.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > Rick,
> > > Yes, you want to use something that will shear off. I believe 3M 
> 4200
> > is
> > > the preferred product. You want something that can be disassembled
> > (i.e.,
> > > will break loose) if need be. If you think about it, you only want 
> the
> > > screws and adhesive to keep the mast step stationary while there is 
> some
> > > horizontal force on it when the mast is first raised. - rob
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > 
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> > 10325&classNum=10327
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
> > > rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Rick
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 9:40 AM
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Step Popped
> > >
> > > Rummy,
> > >
> > > I did this repair using epoxy. The subsequent tear-off of the plate
> > caused
> > > extensive damage, including a crack that ran all the way to a cabin
> > rail.
> > >
> > > Are you sure Stan uses epoxy? I suspect he uses something with shear
> > > strength more approaching wood. Plus, the underlying wood can't have
> > rot
> > > and there can't be any voids between the wood and gelcoat.
> > >
> > > Rick
> > >
> > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:00 AM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Rick,
> > > > I'm not sure where you are going with this. The repair that has been
> > > > mentio
> > > > ned has been done by many Rhodies over the years. It is the best way
> > to
> > > > repair the step. It is the repair that Stan uses at the factory.
> > > >
> > > > Rummy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 9/12/2011 11:08:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > > sloopblueheron at gmail.com writes:
> > > >
> > > > David,
> > > >
> > > > Your problem won't be the epoxy holding with careful raising and
> > lower
> > > of
> > > > your mast. Your problem will be the damage done by the epoxy when
> > you
> > > > have
> > > > another mishap.
> > > >
> > > > Rick
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 9:08 PM, David Craft <Chsyhkr at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Rob,
> > > > >
> > > > > I was raising the mast from the back using the crutch that hangs
> > off
> > > the
> > > > > transom.
> > > > >
> > > > > As we started to raise the mast, we realized we need to manuever
> > the
> > > > jib
> > > > > around a shroud. He set the mast down on back rail and not 
> back
> > in
> > > the
> > > > > crutch. It was enough leverage, with the pop top acting as a
> > fulcrum
> > > to
> > > > > pop
> > > > > the plate off.
> > > > >
> > > > > I drilled out the holes today. The wood is damp but not
> > > deteriorating.
> > > > I
> > > > > think it treated Southern Yellow Pine. It will be dry for a 
> week
> > > here,
> > > > > enough time for it dry well before repairing. The glass is 
> intact,
> > > > except
> > > > > for one spot around the fore screw. A quarter size piece, about
> > half
> > > > the
> > > > > thickness popped out.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think the epoxy repair should last for a good while with 
> careful
> > > > raising
> > > > > and lowering......
> > > > >
> > > > > David Craft
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Rob Lowe wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > David,
> > > > > > Was this when you were raising or lowering the mast? Which
> > > direction
> > > > to
> > > > > > you lower to? - rob
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > > > > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of David
> > > Craft
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 5:45 PM
> > > > > > To: Rhodes List
> > > > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Step Popped
> > > > > >
> > > > > > While setting our mast at a local lake the mast step popped 
> off
> > with
> > > > the
> > > > > > screws somewhat stripped. We reset it and raised it carefully
> > > > figuring
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > the weight would help hold it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > While taking it down, it popped again, necessitating the 
> repair I
> > > > > expected
> > > > > > when it popped the first time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The boat is a 89, recycled in 08.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The step is secured with three 1 inch screws. I am thinking 
> of
> > > > drilling
> > > > > > out the holes, repairing with epoxy, drilling new pilot 
> holes,
> > and
> > > > > > resetting. I have heard suggestions from inserting lugs to
> > > drilling
> > > > all
> > > > > > the way through and using bolts and nuts. The wall for the 
> head
> > is
> > > a
> > > > > > support below the step, so drilling through is not advisable.
> > Can
> > > > longer
> > > > > > screws be used?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Advice is appreciated as I need to make this repair in the 
> next
> > two
> > > > > weeks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > David B. Craft
> > > > > > Greensboro, NC
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