[Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Cap Seal Help

Joe Camp jjcampjr at yahoo.com
Sun Aug 19 18:31:48 EDT 2012 

Hey everybody:

     I thought there was no connection between the laz and the cockpit... that's what everybody has been telling me relative to my recent water in the cabin dilemmas.  Which it is: is there a connection or no connection?

     Regarding my latest event, where the boat went onto her port side and was swamped:  I believe I may have been the victim of a mini tornado that sucked out my cabin door and flipped the boat sideways.  It buried the mast on the mud (river is only about four feet at the marina).  They had to wrench it out.  A surveyor now believes that the mast and plate are a total loss.  We're gonna get a second opinion on that. Marina mechanic believes he can salvage all.  Has anyone else had similar experience?  Thanks.

Joe Camp
s/v John Dawson
Bohemia River, MD
 



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> From: C. Robert Lester <C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu>
>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> 
>Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 12:20 AM
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Cap Seal Help
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>For what it's worth, my new-to-me '84 was uncovered (on the hard) in a rain storm.....port & stbd cockpit drains were clogged and aft seating flooded the Laz....water came into soak carpet inside the companion way.
>I checked out the connection between hull & cockpit (all was good).
>I then unclogged the port & stbd cockpit drains.
>Trailered the R22 up a 10% incline...let gravity drain to Laz....& bailed till dry.
>I apparently need to repair the water tight integrity of my laz. (& keep cockpit drains unclogged!!)
>Hope this helps,
>Bob
>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael D. Weisner
>Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 11:58 AM
>To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Cap Seal Help
>
>The hose is not usually the problem.  It is the through hull fitting.  The gasket for the fitting on the '83 is probably long gone.  Be careful about tightening the nylon nut on the fitting as it may fracture unexpectedly (very bad if in the water) and it may be attempting to compress the fiberglass hull if there is little or no gasket material remaining.  You will need to haul to replace and rebed the fitting.
>
>The cockpit drain through hull fitting is usually out of the water when the boat is at anchor due to the shape of the hull.  It generally is pushed dow by weight in the stern (laz contents, batteries, engine or people) or by heavy seas.  The leak may be difficult to observe and water from the laz will usually flow forward, filling the cabin to the same level as the drain.
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>
>Mike
>s/v <- NoName -> ('91)
>Nissequogue River, NY
>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Staum
>Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 10:53 AM
>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Cap Seal Help
>
>Rob,
>
>I did check the drain hose as that was my 1st thought as well. I will recheck with a light. Laz was dry last 2 days - bilge was not - which points to the cap I think.
>
>Stephen
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Aug 17, 2012, at 8:59 AM, "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>
>> Stephen,
>> If I read this correctly, with 4 people on board your cockpit drain 
>> was under water.  No problem with that, depending on weight 
>> distribution on your boat.  With four people on my boat and the
>> 9.9hp motor, the top of my cockpit drain will be at water level.  
>> But with water in the laz I'm suspecting the hose that goes from the 
>> cockpit drain to the through hull.  Open the laz and take a look at 
>> the hose.  Get your head down in there and take a good look. The
>> hose looks like a radiator hose and is held on by hose clamps.  
>> Perhaps the hose is craked or clamps are loose. I would look at those 
>> before messing with the cap.  And how about the through hull for the 
>> sink drain?  Any way water can come in through that? - rob
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list- 
>> bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Staum
>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 8:39 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Cap Seal Help
>>
>> Looks like previous owner used lots of sealant. I was sailing Tuesday 
>> w 4 on board & found cockpit drain slipping under water.
>> Promptly pumped lots of water out of the lazerette & motored back.  
>> Pumped the bilge to almost dry. Returned Wed. night to find water up 
>> to carpet in cabin. Pumped almost dry (had heavy rains Tuesday nite/ 
>> Wed morning.
>> Last night bilge only 1/2 full (no rain). But w no opening ports, I 
>> don't see where all the water came from. Also dryed the exposed cap 
>> gasket & found it wet a short time later. I will let you know what it 
>> looks like this A.M.
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 17, 2012, at 8:15 AM, R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> Prior to pulling the boat you might want to dry out the bilge and 
>>> make sure that it really is the cap that is leaking. We have seen 
>>> recently that boats on a  mooring have taken some wild rides during 
>>> Eastern storms. The cap is the obvious point of entry, but I have 
>>> seen over the years that this isn't always the case. I would 
>>> recommend drying it out and seeing if you can determine  the entry 
>>> point. It's a whole lot easier to find a leak while in the water 
>>> rather than a tear down and reinstalling the cap if that isn't the 
>>> problem. If  no water enters while on the mooring, take her out for a 
>>> ride and see if you can  get water to enter while motoring around.
>>> Also, check to see if any of the bolts  holding the cap together can 
>>> be tightened a little bit.
>>> To remove the cap will require  the removal of the step and then the 
>>> associated flooring around the cap. Stan doesn't recommend using any 
>>> gasket sealer when reinstalling the gasket. The gasket is made from 
>>> EPDM rubber which lasts a long time and rarely needs to be replaced.
>>> It can be cleaned with gasoline or other solvents.
>>> Good luck and keep us posted on your results.
>>>
>>> Rummy
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 8/17/2012 6:57:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
>>> snstaum at gmail.com writes:
>>>
>>> My '83  R22. the Carol Lee 2, is taking on water on its mooring and I 
>>> suspect the  problem is the centerboard cap seal.  I am pulling the 
>>> boat today for further inspection.  Does anyone have a detailed, step 
>>> by step instruction
>>> list for removing the cap and replacing the seal?   Looking at it, I
>>> am not
>>> even sure how to get to it.  I assume that  the step has to be 
>>> removed first.
>>> The only pics I could find in the  archives are of the cap already 
>>> removed.
>>> Anyone have additional pictures  of the project?  Or any theories on 
>>> how lots of water is getting into  the bilge?  This boat has no 
>>> hatches that open.
>>>
>>> Thanks in  advance,
>>> Stephen Staum
>>> '83 R22, Carol Lee 2
>>> Needham,  MA
>>>
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