[Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 2960, Issue 1
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Thu Aug 23 22:35:17 EDT 2012
This is a very interesting set of observations! It seems the Rhodes has a weakness being lightly ballasted and an unusual wind scoop (but otherwise beneficial) hull flare. Sudden gust heeling the vessel 90+ degrees buried mast In shallow water. This is a big problem.
Preventative measures:
Leave centerboard down,
Increase ballast,
Fly an "anchor rider" sail,
Add a hobie masthead float.
Perhaps even a combination. Any other ideas for prevention on a mooring?
On Aug 23, 2012, at 12:35 PM, Richard MacArthur <Richard at MacArthurLawFirm.com> wrote:
> What's going on? I thought my Rhodes 22 was self righting. Self righting means that in even the strongest wind it will blow over 90 degrees but not roll. It's supposed to stay at 90 degrees until the wind lets up and then right itself. A couple of weeks ago I was caught in a front moving in and it blew about 35 knots. I let all sail free and with that I was heeling at about 45 degrees. It didn't go down all the way and as soon as I got the sail in, no problem. It seems that when the flare of the hull digs in the boat stiffens up. What happens to make it roll? The only thing I can think of is if the vessel is held by the wind with the mast in the water so that water can somehow enter the cabin then it loses its stability and has only the flotation to keep it from sinking and this would allow it to turn turtle. I know some catamarans use a flotation device at the top of the mast to stop the mast going to the bottom but the weight in the keel is supposed to do that in a self r!
> ighting vessel, unless the interior fills with water. Am I right on this?
>
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> 1. Re: Advise me (Joe Camp)
> 2. Re: Advise me (Joe Camp)
> 3. Re: It's national rum month. (Charles Nieman)
> 4. Re: Advise me (Lowe, Rob)
> 5. Re: Advise me (Stephen Staum)
> 6. Re: Advise me (David Bradley)
> 7. Re: It's national rum month. (Shawn Boles)
> 8. Major Jones (Chris Geankoplis)
> 9. Re: Advise me (Chris Geankoplis)
> 10. Re: Advise me (Chris Geankoplis)
> 11. Anchor light housing replacement (Patrick Fletcher)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:02:43 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Joe Camp <jjcampjr at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Advise me
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> Mary Lou:
>
> ? ? ?I think you really have the solution here in considering the flared hull as a potential (or the most likely)
> reason for these roll-overs... or mine, anyway.
>
> ? ? ?I have noted how tender the boat is when motoring with the tiller locked. ?The boat cannot maintain a straight course if I am moving about the cabin. ?Of course, I am 230 pounds, and that's more ballast to adjust the course, but I have learned to steer the boat by changing my position (even slightly) in the cockpit. ?My good sailing friend has a McGregor 25 and he has more "wetted surface" ?(to borrow a term from Stan). ?He can lock his tiller and wander fore and aft and beam to beam yet still maintain his basic course. He is more stable and takes more wind to heel the boat. ?Our keel weights are about the same. ?In the event that flipped my boat, his moored just a hundred feet away, didn't have a cushion out of place. True, this could be due in part to the nature of the weather event itself, but still telling as to the side to side stability issue. ?BNy the way, the integrity of my mast has been compromised by being buried in the bottom
> mud. Looks like a new mast is in the picture. ?Ah well, you've got to have stories to call yourself a sailor. ?Aye, mates??
>
>
> ? ??
> Joe Camp
> s/v John Dawson
> Bohemia River, MD
>
>
>
>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Advise me
>>
>> I think any small relatively unballasted boat would be more at risk
>> on a mooring. Our boats also have a fair amount of windage with the
>> IMF and the flared hull. In a strong wind the poptops are probably
>> also a liability unless well secured. I've never felt unsafe at
>> anchor and we've been anchored in some pretty high winds but they
>> were of short duration and our anchorages are typically more
>> protected than most mooring fields.
>>
>> Somewhere I saw it noted that with the warming climate, the world is
>> a windier place. That certainly seems true here on the Chesapeake
>> (though not today).
>>
>> Mary Lou
>> 1991 R22 Fretless
>> Rock Hall, MD
>>
>>
>> At 06:13 PM 8/21/2012, you wrote:
>>> Lack of a deep heavy keel is definitely a contributing factor.
>>>
>>> Stephen
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 21, 2012, at 5:04 PM, Joe Camp <jjcampjr at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Luck of the draw."? Yeah, odd that so many R-22s flipp like
>>> this.? It must be the global warming... er ah, "climate change"
>>> R-22 effect.? Was this in Al Gore's movie?
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 4:27 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Advise me
>>>>>
>>>>> Mine also turtled on its mooring w local cyclones reported. 1
>>> power boat was wrecked on the rocks - no other boats in the mooring
>>> field were damaged. I think it is just the luck of the draw.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stephen
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 21, 2012, at 3:31 PM, Joe Camp <jjcampjr at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was not driven ashore.? She flipped right at the
>>> mooring.? All other moored boats very near got nothing. I am
>>> looking for a slip for next season.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>> From: Chris Geankoplis <napoli68 at charter.net>
>>>>>>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 12:19 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Advise me
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In my case it took a tornado going thru the "pot" on Poplar
>>> Island to do the
>>>>>>> deed.? If you sail in shoal waters it will happen to any boat
>>> given enough
>>>>>>> sudden wind.? In the last 35 years Joe is the only one I can
>>> recall other
>>>>>>> than mine, and he was driven ashore, right?
>>>>>>> Chris G
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of PBR
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:15 AM
>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Advise me
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't want to wish ill upon anyone else but...with all this talk
>>>>>>> about Rhodes 22's with Masts stuck in the mud, are our boats more
>>>>>>> inclined to suffer this fate or did these recent storms cause a lot of
>>>>>>> havoc for other boats the same size?
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:09:00 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Joe Camp <jjcampjr at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Advise me
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> Chris:
>
> ? ? ?Yeah, thank the maker for insurance. ?I learned yesterday that my mast has suffered some dimples up where the spreaders attach. ?I sent pics to Stan, and he confirmed that these will make the mast weaker, maybe even unsafe. ?So, I suppose I am on the hard for the rest of the season. ?The marina crew has the cabin cleaned out pretty well, so the main issue is the mast. ?As I said to Mary Lou: "you've got to have stories to call yourself a sailor." ?ttfn.
>
> Joe?
>
>
>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Chris Geankoplis <napoli68 at charter.net>
>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 1:16 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Advise me
>>
>> Gee Joe,
>> ??? Sounds like Whack a Mole and you lost.? I'm glad you have insurance,
>> let us know how things came out.? Sounds like Peter was treated well by his
>> insurance.
>> Chris G
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Joe Camp
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 12:31 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Advise me
>>
>> Chris:
>>
>> I was not driven ashore. ?She flipped right at the mooring. ?All other
>> moored boats very near got nothing. I am looking for a slip for next season.
>>
>> Joe?
>>
>>
>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Chris Geankoplis <napoli68 at charter.net>
>>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 12:19 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Advise me
>>>
>>> In my case it took a tornado going thru the "pot" on Poplar Island to do
>> the
>>> deed.? If you sail in shoal waters it will happen to any boat given enough
>>> sudden wind.? In the last 35 years Joe is the only one I can recall other
>>> than mine, and he was driven ashore, right?
>>> Chris G
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of PBR
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:15 AM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Advise me
>>>
>>> I don't want to wish ill upon anyone else but...with all this talk
>>> about Rhodes 22's with Masts stuck in the mud, are our boats more
>>> inclined to suffer this fate or did these recent storms cause a lot of
>>> havoc for other boats the same size?
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:21:38 -0400
> From: Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] It's national rum month.
> To: Rhodes List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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>
> Lynn
>
> That is beautiful ... brought a tear to my eye....
>
> I don't know what you do or did for a living, but if not writting, you should consider it
>
> Thanks
>
> Charles
>
>
>> From: drfood55 at gmail.com
>> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:10:37 -0400
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] It's national rum month.
>>
>> Major Jones is Satisfied
>>
>>
>> In case you missed the 70?s, a Jones is a yearning. So let?s talk
>> yearnings. I?m not going to ask you yours and I?m not telling you most of
>> mine, because then we?d have to lie. You?d have to say something about
>> Mahler and I?d have to respond with Adri?. Pish and Tosh. What I want to do
>> is take a risk and tell you about my major jones, no make that Major Jones.
>>
>>
>> My Major Jones goes back to 1983. I crossed the Atlantic Ocean as crew in a
>> 92 foot, steel-hulled wishbone ketch named Sintra. Life-altering blah blah
>> blah, but there were two effects of that trade-winds cause. One was that I
>> will forever be in love with everybody who made that crossing with me. The
>> other is that I have wanted sailing ever since. Yes, wanted to move across
>> water powered by wind. Waves, breeze, smell, difficulty, craft, strategy.
>> Elementary.
>>
>>
>> I?ve owned a couple of sailboats since then, one of them so beautiful that
>> I could cry about it, but neither of them addressed, much less satisfied
>> Major Jones. What the Major wants is a boat on which a man could sail out
>> on big water, go to sleep and then wake up and sail some more. The Major
>> wants a boat that feels just a little bit like home, that smells a little
>> bit like adventure, that shrinks the world and blows it wide open at the
>> same time. A boat where you plot your course, cook your dinner, drop your
>> anchor and pick it up again. The Major wants to be able to go to the boat
>> any time, to sail in the rain or eat a cheese sandwich in the cockpit and
>> not leave the dock on the prettiest day of the year.
>>
>>
>> Now, like every other unresolved human being, I?ve got a Jones family.
>> Fortunately, it?s a family that shrinks every year. Most of my Joneses now
>> are about accomplishments or wishes for some certain younger souls who-i
>> assume- have Joneses of their own. I don?t care much where I live, hardly
>> want any thing or accolade. But the one persistent, monster, Kick-ass,
>> Grandfather Jones is the one about the sailboat.
>>
>> ??
>>
>>
>> So here she is. A Rhodes22, red-hulled, white-sailed, carefully designed
>> and reworked by a genius named Stan Spitzer to be sailed single-handed by
>> an jonesing old man on medium-sized water in light to semi heavy air.
>>
>>
>> I met her last weekend in North Carolina and we had a couple of sails on
>> the Albemarle Sound behind Cape Hatteras. She?ll be delivered by trailer up
>> to the Jersey Shore next week. What?s it like to have Major Jones
>> satisfied? It doesn?t look like any of those Olympic gold-medal winner
>> ecstasy fests. In fact, it?s not ecstatic at all.
>>
>>
>> The feeling is more like coming home after a long trip. It doesn?t make you
>> want a new Jones to pursue, it doesn?t make you want to promote Major Jones
>> to Colonel and go for a bigger and faster boat. It makes you feel that
>> rarest of modern feelings: satisfied.
>>
>> Oh yum, savor it-satisfaction-not ?closure? or any feeling that diminishes
>> someone else, feel free to smack your lips and throw a twenty in the
>> collection plate the next time it comes your way.
>>
>>
>> The best thing is that having one Major Jones satisfied, makes you inclined
>> to see the rest of your personal Jones family in a different light: a
>> slanted, low-angled, orangey light reflected off brackish water filled with
>> life. Sometimes, the Major says, enough is enough and if the Major is
>> satisfied, maybe you should be too.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 7:55 AM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _http://tinyurl.com/9obv9ot_ (http://tinyurl.com/9obv9ot)
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>> To take a look, go to:
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>>
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>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:27:14 -0400
> From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Advise me
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> I'm curious of these boats that flipped. Was the center board up or down? I would assume the board down would resist the roll. Anyone that had problems know what position their board was in? - rob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Chris Geankoplis
> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 1:21 AM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Advise me
>
> Man this is like 5 people who have flipped or had serious damage, is this more than we usually see in a summer (excluding those hurricanes)? It seems like a high number or am I just getting forgetful?
>
> Chris G
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:35:22 -0400
> From: Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Advise me
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Message-ID: <B1EA5513-B25A-4B69-986C-2696F89A1826 at gmail.com>
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> My board was up on the Carol Lee.
>
> Stephen
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 22, 2012, at 12:27 PM, "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>
>> I'm curious of these boats that flipped. Was the center board up or down? I would assume the board down would resist the roll. Anyone that had problems know what position their board was in? - rob
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Chris Geankoplis
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 1:21 AM
>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Advise me
>>
>> Man this is like 5 people who have flipped or had serious damage, is this more than we usually see in a summer (excluding those hurricanes)? It seems like a high number or am I just getting forgetful?
>>
>> Chris G
>>
>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:42:01 -0400
> From: David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Advise me
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Cc: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Message-ID: <7DC4D502-521B-4F06-84EE-F59DBA3286BD at gmail.com>
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> Mine was up. Too shallow in an extreme low tide at my mooring.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 22, 2012, at 12:35 PM, Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My board was up on the Carol Lee.
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 22, 2012, at 12:27 PM, "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm curious of these boats that flipped. Was the center board up or down? I would assume the board down would resist the roll. Anyone that had problems know what position their board was in? - rob
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Chris Geankoplis
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 1:21 AM
>>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Advise me
>>>
>>> Man this is like 5 people who have flipped or had serious damage, is this more than we usually see in a summer (excluding those hurricanes)? It seems like a high number or am I just getting forgetful?
>>>
>>> Chris G
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:29:23 -0700
> From: Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] It's national rum month.
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> Lynn:
>
> Congratulations. Two things:
>
> 1. I saw Sintra in 199 or 2000 at New Bedford, Mass. being hoisted out for
> refit. She was beautiful!
> 2. Inspect the trailer thoroughly before you have your boat hauled to her
> new home..
>
> Regards
> Shawn Boles
> s/v Sweet Baboo
>
> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Lynn Hoffman <drfood55 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Major Jones is Satisfied
>>
>>
>> In case you missed the 70?s, a Jones is a yearning. So let?s talk
>> yearnings. I?m not going to ask you yours and I?m not telling you most of
>> mine, because then we?d have to lie. You?d have to say something about
>> Mahler and I?d have to respond with Adri?. Pish and Tosh. What I want to do
>> is take a risk and tell you about my major jones, no make that Major Jones.
>>
>>
>> My Major Jones goes back to 1983. I crossed the Atlantic Ocean as crew in a
>> 92 foot, steel-hulled wishbone ketch named Sintra. Life-altering blah blah
>> blah, but there were two effects of that trade-winds cause. One was that I
>> will forever be in love with everybody who made that crossing with me. The
>> other is that I have wanted sailing ever since. Yes, wanted to move across
>> water powered by wind. Waves, breeze, smell, difficulty, craft, strategy.
>> Elementary.
>>
>>
>> I?ve owned a couple of sailboats since then, one of them so beautiful that
>> I could cry about it, but neither of them addressed, much less satisfied
>> Major Jones. What the Major wants is a boat on which a man could sail out
>> on big water, go to sleep and then wake up and sail some more. The Major
>> wants a boat that feels just a little bit like home, that smells a little
>> bit like adventure, that shrinks the world and blows it wide open at the
>> same time. A boat where you plot your course, cook your dinner, drop your
>> anchor and pick it up again. The Major wants to be able to go to the boat
>> any time, to sail in the rain or eat a cheese sandwich in the cockpit and
>> not leave the dock on the prettiest day of the year.
>>
>>
>> Now, like every other unresolved human being, I?ve got a Jones family.
>> Fortunately, it?s a family that shrinks every year. Most of my Joneses now
>> are about accomplishments or wishes for some certain younger souls who-i
>> assume- have Joneses of their own. I don?t care much where I live, hardly
>> want any thing or accolade. But the one persistent, monster, Kick-ass,
>> Grandfather Jones is the one about the sailboat.
>>
>> ??
>>
>>
>> So here she is. A Rhodes22, red-hulled, white-sailed, carefully designed
>> and reworked by a genius named Stan Spitzer to be sailed single-handed by
>> an jonesing old man on medium-sized water in light to semi heavy air.
>>
>>
>> I met her last weekend in North Carolina and we had a couple of sails on
>> the Albemarle Sound behind Cape Hatteras. She?ll be delivered by trailer up
>> to the Jersey Shore next week. What?s it like to have Major Jones
>> satisfied? It doesn?t look like any of those Olympic gold-medal winner
>> ecstasy fests. In fact, it?s not ecstatic at all.
>>
>>
>> The feeling is more like coming home after a long trip. It doesn?t make you
>> want a new Jones to pursue, it doesn?t make you want to promote Major Jones
>> to Colonel and go for a bigger and faster boat. It makes you feel that
>> rarest of modern feelings: satisfied.
>>
>> Oh yum, savor it-satisfaction-not ?closure? or any feeling that diminishes
>> someone else, feel free to smack your lips and throw a twenty in the
>> collection plate the next time it comes your way.
>>
>>
>> The best thing is that having one Major Jones satisfied, makes you inclined
>> to see the rest of your personal Jones family in a different light: a
>> slanted, low-angled, orangey light reflected off brackish water filled with
>> life. Sometimes, the Major says, enough is enough and if the Major is
>> satisfied, maybe you should be too.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 7:55 AM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _http://tinyurl.com/9obv9ot_ (http://tinyurl.com/9obv9ot)
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
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>>
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>> Hallelujah! The Short Course in Beer is out in a second, revised edition.
>> To take a look, go to:
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Short-Course-Beer-Introduction-Civilized/dp/1616086335/ref=dp_ob_title_bk
>>
>> ?Had enough of gun violence? Read the story of a woman who does something
>> about it .
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>>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:08:19 -0700
> From: "Chris Geankoplis" <napoli68 at charter.net>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Major Jones
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> What an absolute great comment on life and the Rhodes. Thanks!
> Chris G
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Lynn Hoffman
> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 7:11 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] It's national rum month.
>
> Major Jones is Satisfied
>
>
> In case you missed the 70?s, a Jones is a yearning. So let?s talk
> yearnings. I?m not going to ask you yours and I?m not telling you most of
> mine, because then we?d have to lie. You?d have to say something about
> Mahler and I?d have to respond with Adri?. Pish and Tosh. What I want to do
> is take a risk and tell you about my major jones, no make that Major Jones.
>
>
> My Major Jones goes back to 1983. I crossed the Atlantic Ocean as crew in a
> 92 foot, steel-hulled wishbone ketch named Sintra. Life-altering blah blah
> blah, but there were two effects of that trade-winds cause. One was that I
> will forever be in love with everybody who made that crossing with me. The
> other is that I have wanted sailing ever since. Yes, wanted to move across
> water powered by wind. Waves, breeze, smell, difficulty, craft, strategy.
> Elementary.
>
>
> I?ve owned a couple of sailboats since then, one of them so beautiful that
> I could cry about it, but neither of them addressed, much less satisfied
> Major Jones. What the Major wants is a boat on which a man could sail out
> on big water, go to sleep and then wake up and sail some more. The Major
> wants a boat that feels just a little bit like home, that smells a little
> bit like adventure, that shrinks the world and blows it wide open at the
> same time. A boat where you plot your course, cook your dinner, drop your
> anchor and pick it up again. The Major wants to be able to go to the boat
> any time, to sail in the rain or eat a cheese sandwich in the cockpit and
> not leave the dock on the prettiest day of the year.
>
>
> Now, like every other unresolved human being, I?ve got a Jones family.
> Fortunately, it?s a family that shrinks every year. Most of my Joneses now
> are about accomplishments or wishes for some certain younger souls who-i
> assume- have Joneses of their own. I don?t care much where I live, hardly
> want any thing or accolade. But the one persistent, monster, Kick-ass,
> Grandfather Jones is the one about the sailboat.
>
> ??
>
>
> So here she is. A Rhodes22, red-hulled, white-sailed, carefully designed
> and reworked by a genius named Stan Spitzer to be sailed single-handed by
> an jonesing old man on medium-sized water in light to semi heavy air.
>
>
> I met her last weekend in North Carolina and we had a couple of sails on
> the Albemarle Sound behind Cape Hatteras. She?ll be delivered by trailer up
> to the Jersey Shore next week. What?s it like to have Major Jones
> satisfied? It doesn?t look like any of those Olympic gold-medal winner
> ecstasy fests. In fact, it?s not ecstatic at all.
>
>
> The feeling is more like coming home after a long trip. It doesn?t make you
> want a new Jones to pursue, it doesn?t make you want to promote Major Jones
> to Colonel and go for a bigger and faster boat. It makes you feel that
> rarest of modern feelings: satisfied.
>
> Oh yum, savor it-satisfaction-not ?closure? or any feeling that diminishes
> someone else, feel free to smack your lips and throw a twenty in the
> collection plate the next time it comes your way.
>
>
> The best thing is that having one Major Jones satisfied, makes you inclined
> to see the rest of your personal Jones family in a different light: a
> slanted, low-angled, orangey light reflected off brackish water filled with
> life. Sometimes, the Major says, enough is enough and if the Major is
> satisfied, maybe you should be too.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 7:55 AM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _http://tinyurl.com/9obv9ot_ (http://tinyurl.com/9obv9ot)
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> [image: QR code]
>
> http://goo.gl/pYqg9.qr
> Hallelujah! The Short Course in Beer is out in a second, revised edition.
> To take a look, go to:
> http://www.amazon.com/Short-Course-Beer-Introduction-Civilized/dp/1616086335
> /ref=dp_ob_title_bk
>
> ?Had enough of gun violence? Read the story of a woman who does something
> about it .
> *Paula Sherman and the National Rifle Association *
>
> get your e-copy for $4.99 at
> http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/23266
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:12:43 -0700
> From: "Chris Geankoplis" <napoli68 at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Advise me
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Message-ID: <q0Ch1j00S2tNS5M050ChAH at charter.net>
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>
> Yup can't accept a questionable mast. Might get $3.00 per pound for scrap,
> arrgh shipwreck salvage, love it. Better charge insurance for new wiring
> and cushions they are really hard to get the bait tank smell out after that
> kind of immersion. Good Luck!
> Chris G
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Joe Camp
> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 9:09 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Advise me
>
> Chris:
>
> ? ? ?Yeah, thank the maker for insurance. ?I learned yesterday that my mast
> has suffered some dimples up where the spreaders attach. ?I sent pics to
> Stan, and he confirmed that these will make the mast weaker, maybe even
> unsafe. ?So, I suppose I am on the hard for the rest of the season. ?The
> marina crew has the cabin cleaned out pretty well, so the main issue is the
> mast. ?As I said to Mary Lou: "you've got to have stories to call yourself a
> sailor." ?ttfn.
>
> Joe?
>
>
>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Chris Geankoplis <napoli68 at charter.net>
>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 1:16 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Advise me
>>
>> Gee Joe,
>> ??? Sounds like Whack a Mole and you lost.? I'm glad you have insurance,
>> let us know how things came out.? Sounds like Peter was treated well by his
>> insurance.
>> Chris G
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Joe Camp
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 12:31 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Advise me
>>
>> Chris:
>>
>> I was not driven ashore. ?She flipped right at the mooring. ?All other
>> moored boats very near got nothing. I am looking for a slip for next
> season.
>>
>> Joe?
>>
>>
>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Chris Geankoplis <napoli68 at charter.net>
>>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 12:19 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Advise me
>>>
>>> In my case it took a tornado going thru the "pot" on Poplar Island to do
>> the
>>> deed.? If you sail in shoal waters it will happen to any boat given enough
>>> sudden wind.? In the last 35 years Joe is the only one I can recall other
>>> than mine, and he was driven ashore, right?
>>> Chris G
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of PBR
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:15 AM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Advise me
>>>
>>> I don't want to wish ill upon anyone else but...with all this talk
>>> about Rhodes 22's with Masts stuck in the mud, are our boats more
>>> inclined to suffer this fate or did these recent storms cause a lot of
>>> havoc for other boats the same size?
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> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:13:31 -0700
> From: "Chris Geankoplis" <napoli68 at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Advise me
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> Mine was centerboard up as I recall.
> Chris G
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob
> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 9:27 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Advise me
>
> I'm curious of these boats that flipped. Was the center board up or down?
> I would assume the board down would resist the roll. Anyone that had
> problems know what position their board was in? - rob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Chris Geankoplis
> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 1:21 AM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Advise me
>
> Man this is like 5 people who have flipped or had serious damage, is this
> more than we usually see in a summer (excluding those hurricanes)? It seems
> like a high number or am I just getting forgetful?
>
> Chris G
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 20:07:03 -0700
> From: Patrick Fletcher <patrick.d.fletcher at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Anchor light housing replacement
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
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> Our trip to Canada's Desolation Sound last week was marvelous, but our
> retrieval had a few setbacks... After a delay (caused by transmission
> trouble on the towing vehicle), we found ourselves pulling up our R22 in
> the dark, under the single sodium light of Okeover Marina. We overcame
> severe sidewinds and currents to get the Beagle III happily back onto her
> trailer. I pulled her out of the water triumphantly to make ready to step
> the mast for her 10 hour drive home, and then pulled her right into the
> many branches of an interposing tree.
>
> The mast and upper rigging were well entrenched in the branches- the
> trailer was on a slope that listed her to starboard, so the port upper
> shroud was so taut that it managed to carve a notch out of a branch and
> stick there. Backing her didn't do the trick- there were more branches to
> encounter in that direction. We had a half-size maglite and a collapsible 9
> foot boathook, which came in handy for investigating and clearing the
> initial blockage (add those to your kit!)... After some tired and worn-out
> thinking, I came to the realization that I'd have to step the mast and pull
> the rig forward a foot at a time, and so to slip her out of the tree. Good
> thing we had the winch and mast cradle... This is what worked.
>
> So, after we got out of there, the only damage was, the housing for the
> anchor light, a sharp bend on the antenna, and our wind indicator which I
> would describe as "crumpled up, also smashed". I was pretty sure that the
> port upper shroud would fail and dump the mast over the side, but
> thankfully, this did not happen. Good engineering there.
>
> So, questions:
>
> --Can I order a new housing for the anchor light, or should I replace the
> whole thing?
> --There's a big patch of pitch on my jib after I dragged it through some
> trees- any cleaning advice?
>
> Thanks!
>
> --Pat, co-captain of the Beagle III
>
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