[Rhodes22-list] Ballast ?

Wed Jan 25 10:41:05 EST 2012

<< The Rhodes22 is a cruiser, not a racing 
boat. Never was meant to be. It  is what it is.>>

Just check my race results for confirmation on that point!

I don't think there's much if any difference on Center of Effort based on
boom vs. inter-mast furling.  In either case, you have a smaller triangle of
sail, which reaches less far up the mast and less far out on the boom.  I
don't think there's a significant advantage on sail shape.  Innermast gives
you a slightly higher center of gravity because the furled sail is up
higher, but if you're to the point of furling the main, the difference of a
few pounds of sailcloth weight is negligible.

I do think you can learn to sail your Rhodes 22 in 25 knot winds.  More fat
guys help, but you're really got to be in the mood for a roller coaster ride
at that speed.  My lake is very large and shallow, so the water gets rough.
It will happen that steep waves knock me off of a tack in that sort of
weather.  I don't think additional ballast would help.

By the way, we've had great sailing weather this January.  It's normally
cold and rainy, but it's felt like spring all this year (knock on wood).
We've had some lovely sails.

Ben
R22 Velvet Elvis

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Rob,
I've been busy lately and haven't had the time to read all the posts, but I 
 really think you are trying to reinvent the wheel without knowing how the 
wheel  works. Any Rhodie with the IMF knows that the first reef point is to 
lower the  boom. (center of effort) THEN you can furl the main and do 
whatever changes you  want to make to the sail configuration. Bring the
175's 
lines inside the stays,  etc. Don't knock something until you know what you
are 
talking about. I can be  on my boat and out sailing while you will still be 
at the dock hanking on your  sails. The Rhodes22 is a cruiser, not a racing 
boat. Never was meant to be. It  is what it is.

Rummy

In a message dated 1/23/2012 8:44:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
spreadgoodnews at gmail.com writes:

Rob:  i am in the same boat (pun intended) as you.  I am  fixing up a nice 
rhodes with a rotten interior due to a busted hatch.   The mast was bent so 
i have to replace it.  I am no longer wanting to get  the in mast furling 
main.  I want a regular main with two or three reef  points.  When you jiffy

reef you lower your center of effort and reduce  heeling moment just
perfect. 
 When you roll up the main to the mast the  center. Of effort moves forward 
not down.  This causes lee helm.   Which is a common complaint here. Stan 
needs a roller furling boom.
The  same goes for the head sail.  Rolling moves the center of effort 
forward  and up.  Perhaps i will rig two forestays one for hanks or i have
seen  
sleeved storm jibs that wrap over a furled headsail.
I think we are ok, but  the rig needs some modification.  IMF has 
limitations.  The buzz  term for what i am going to build seems to be a
"rhodes 
continental  rig".

On Jan 21, 2012, at 9:10 PM, Rob Granger  <rgranger at sbc.edu> wrote:

> Wow...  this is disappointing  to read...
> 
> Is it because of the relatively large amount of  freeboard the Rhodes has?
> I've taken my MacGregor V22 out in 20+mph  winds (with gusts to 30) on
> several occasions.  I spent a day  sailing across the Albemarle with a
> steady 25mph And yes..... I've had  people question the actual wind 
strength
> so I checked it with the  weather records for my areas.  When the winds
> picks up..I hank on  my small jib (25%)  and put two reefs in the main.  
She
>  punches right through.  I try to keep her relatively flat and we pick  up
> speed....once she is moving forward I take in on the main sheet  just a 
bit
> we just slice on through the chop ... it is magic.   The Mac is
> significantly smaller boat than the Rhodes.  It has a  foot less beam, 
about
> 6" less free board an weighs about half of what  the Rhode weights.  The
> interior accommodations are frankly  Spartan but she sails really well....
> and fast... and have even gotten  her to plane on a run in winds like
> that.....
> 
> So let  me ask you Rhodies something.  How many of you use the roller  
furled
> head sail and how many of you have hanked on head sails?   I'm hoping the
> performance deficiencies you are describing here are a  result of the fact
> that most of you try to roller REEF your head sail  and have not actually
> sailed your Rhodes with a properly sized and  properly drafting head sail 
in
> stronger winds.
> 
> I hope  this does not sound condescending.  I really don't mean it that  
way.
> Email can sometime read really badly and I don't consider myself  a 
sailing
> expert or anything like that...I really just want some  performance data 
for
> the Rhodes for how I plan to set mine up... I'll  be using hanked on head
> sails and reef points in my main.
>  
> 
> So for those of you who hank on your head sails... can you  get the Rhodes
> to perform well in 25 - 30 mph wind with a smaller head  sail and a deeply
> reefed main? (The boom on a Mac can be rolled so I  can reef the main as
> much or as little as I want -- but I prefer reef  points).
> 
> I'm in the middle of a Rhodes restoration and would  really like to
> understand what I'm going to have when I'm  done.
> 
> When I purchased my Mac (three seasons ago) it came  with three different
> head sails (25%), (75%), (130%).  It also  came with a light air main in
> addition to the working main....   And sailing with this boat's compliment
> of sails is when I fully came  to appreciate the importance of a balanced
> rig.  So I'm no longer  envious of my roller furled brothers.
> 
> I hope to repeat this  experience with the Rhodes.  So if please share if
> you got a  story.
> 
> Fair winds,
> 
> The other Rob
>  
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Leland  <LKUHN at cnmc.org> wrote:
> 
>> 
>>  Dennis,
>> 
>> 20-30 knot winds are too much wind for the  Rhodes.
>> 
>> Stan says you can't make headway after 28  knots which is probably 
accurate
>> since I struggle after  20.
>> 
>> The more I sail the more picky I am about  conditions.  I usually don't 
go
>> out if the winds are more  than 15 knots.  Where I sail the chop is 
usually
>> more of a  problem than the wind when it gets too breezy.
>> 
>>  Lee
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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