[Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)

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Fri Jul 13 20:18:20 EDT 2012 

When i read ocean sailing and cruising repair guides they all recommend 3m 5200 for below the waterline fittings.  "Permanent" may mean you need a grinder with a wire brush to remove, but silicone is pervious to saltwater from what i am reading. I think it would be ok for a while but would eventually break down.
Silicone is ok for above waterline sealing, but can leave an oozing stain on fiberglass.



On Jul 13, 2012, at 4:22 PM, "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:

> My rule of thumb is to use 3M 4200 for everything EXCEPT the real important
> stuff below the waterline, for which I use 3M 5200.  I figure that the
> lifespan of a new nylon thru hull fitting, a quality vinyl hose and two
> stainless clamps should be at least 25 years, so the more permanent 5200 is
> fine.  Let the next owner worry about removal, at least it will never leak
> due to shrinkage or be damaged by salt water.
> 
> Mike
> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> s/v <- no name -> ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Goodness
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 3:50 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
> 
> My cockpit drain fitting was bedded in goopy silicone adhesive.  Its ugly
> and excessive.  This isnt standard is it?  I should replace with 3m 5200
> shouldnt i?
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 13, 2012, at 3:42 PM, "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> At one time I had water leaking in at the thru hull fitting for the 
>> cockpit drain on my '81.  The level in the laz never rose more than an 
>> inch or two when on the hook.  When sailing, quite a bit more water 
>> was found in the laz at the end of the day.  I found that the gasket 
>> around the fitting had disintegrated over time (30 years).
>> 
>> I snugged the nut to the bottom of the laz BY HAND, not wanting to 
>> fracture the fiberglass around the fitting nor the 30 year-old nylon 
>> fitting.  I was able to complete the season without a tremendous amount of
> water in the laz.
>> During the winter layup I replaced the thru hull fitting, the hose and 
>> the two clamps, rebedding both fittings.  Never had another problem.
>> 
>> Mike
>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>> s/v <- no name -> ('91)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob
>> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 3:21 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>> 
>> Joe,
>> There will be some water visible in the cockpit drain when viewed from 
>> the cockpit.  I'm with Mary Lou in that if you are getting water into 
>> the boat with no rain, wind, or heeling; there are two likely places.  
>> The centerboard housing, which is unlikely if you haven't taken it 
>> apart lately, and the cockpit drain.  Take a real close look at the 
>> hose and thru hull of the cockpit drain hose which you get to through 
>> the laz.  The hose looks like radiation hose with a couple of hose 
>> clamps on it.  A loose clamp or a worn hose may be an issue.  Good 
>> luck! - rob
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Joe Camp
>> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 3:10 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>> 
>> Mary Lou:
>> 
>>     There is some standing water I noticed in the deck cockpit drain.  
>> I'd never noticed any there before, though maybe I missed it 
>> previously.  Sink drain looks fine, but could stand a close 
>> inspection. Everyone has given me excellent information with which to 
>> investigate a variety of causes.  I suppose, now is the time to make 
>> up a checklist and begin to tic off possible sources.  Tally ho!  Thanks
> to all.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 11:20 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>>> 
>>> Hmm. No rain, not much wind or did you have rain up there? If not.... 
>>> What do you have for through hulls? Check the aft cockpit drain. The 
>>> tube for it goes through the lazarette. Check your sink drain 
>>> fittings though that is above water and only ships water on a heel 
>>> (water will get into the boat if the drain hose is loose and the boat 
>>> heels). The only other culprit that I can think of is the centerboard 
>>> housing but if you haven't had it apart recently and it didn't leak 
>>> before, it's unlikely to leak now. I suppose it's possible that water 
>>> is still running into the low spot from when you got swamped.
>>> 
>>> Good luck in tracking it down.
>>> 
>>> Mary Lou
>>> 1991 R22 Fretless
>>> Rock Hall, MD
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> At 09:07 PM 7/12/2012, you wrote:
>>>> Hi Gang:
>>>> 
>>>>      You may remember, in the last episode, Joe had faced the 
>>>> heartbreak of a wet boat.  In this installment, he reports that, 
>>>> despite pumping and sponging water, more seems to replace what has 
>>>> been removed from the bilge.  It's not a flood, but it keeps  
>>>> showing up when he goes to the boat or sails.
>>>> 
>>>>      What culprit has gained control of circumstances?  Is the boat 
>>>> afflicted by an unseen crack in the hull?  Is there some hiding  
>>>> place from which water seeps? How long will our hero have to battle  
>>>> the errant water?  Is he just a rube being cruelly played by the  
>>>> forces of nature?  The only way to find out is to discern the  
>>>> answer yourselves and help the hapless Joe.  So, break out your  
>>>> decoder rings and solve this problem. Then tell Joe (in a non-coded
>>>> message) what the hell is up with this.  Until next time, Rhodes
> Rangers!
>>>> 
>>>> Joe Camp
>>>> s/v John Dawson
>>>> Earleville, MD.
>>>> 
>>>> P.S.  Who is the red hulled Rhodes on a mooring at Bohemia Bay Marina? 
>>>> I see you there.
>>>> 
>>>> j
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