[Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
Joe Camp
jjcampjr at yahoo.com
Mon Jul 16 13:39:59 EDT 2012
Rob:
I am not looking for a permanent instillation, just something to manage water when I am off the boat. I want to avoid over filling of the bilge. I was planning on running the discharge hose up over the counter and into the sink. I'll stow the whole rig while sailing.
Joe
>________________________________
> From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu>
>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 10:40 AM
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>
>Joe,
>With a bilge pump, make sure you have a check valve, a manual on/off switch, or shore power. Make sure the discharge hose is routed up (white hose, see photo) to ensure water won't drain back into the boat when heeled. If there is no check valve the water tends to pump up the hose, the float shut the pump off and the water flows back down the hose where it turns the pump back on. You can cycle the pump this way and it either burns out the pump (they are pretty cheap) or run your battery down. - rob
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Joe Camp
>Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 12:45 PM
>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>
>Chris:
>
> I suppose the centerboard hose is a possibility. But there were (I've upped my estimate) over thirty gallons of water I pumped overboard. The pennant hose may have accounted for some of that, but not all. I am convinced that the water found a variety of sources of ingress. However it got in, the ultimate conclusion remains unchanged... I have to deal with the situation, now and in the future.
>
> By the way (anyone) I am trying to wire a small bilge pump for use when I am off the boat. I want to plug it into my 12v power point with a cigarette lighter plug, but I can't get it to power up. There are three leads off the pump: a red, a black and brown, and there are no wiring instructions in the package. I assume that the brown is for an external switch, which I won't need, since the pump has a self contained float switch . But the pump seems to want something besides red and black to make it perform. Any ideas? Thanks.
>
>Joe Camp
>
>
>
>>________________________________
>> From: Chris Geankoplis <napoli68 at charter.net>
>>To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 1:03 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>>
>>You know,
>> Has anyone mention the possibility of the centerboard pennant hose?
>>What was that phrase? "Loose clamps Sink Ships"
>>Chris G
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bob Keller
>>Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 9:45 PM
>>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>>
>>
>>I agree with Chris that polysulfide is best for below water-line, thru
>>hull fittings. I have more than I can count on my boat and changed
>>from 5200 to polysulfide for the simple reason that PS flexes and 5200
>>doesn't. When trailering, launching and retrieving the boat it helps
>>to have something that flexes and holds. I had some leaks and went
>>with PS about 8 yrs ago and it has been flawless. As for the leak, I am
>>betting on the centerboard trunk.BK
>>> From: napoli68 at charter.net
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:04:28 -0700
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>>>
>>> Silicon Sealant, marine or otherwise, should not be used below the
>>> water line. The best thing to use if you want a polyurethane sealant
>>> is one called "thru hull sealant" or something like that, 3M may make
>>> it. I use a polysulfide sealant like "Lifecaulk" and I can say it
>>> last at least 30
>>years
>>> personal experience.
>>> Chris G
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Goodness
>>> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 12:50 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>>>
>>> My cockpit drain fitting was bedded in goopy silicone adhesive. Its
>>> ugly and excessive. This isnt standard is it? I should replace with
>>> 3m 5200 shouldnt i?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 13, 2012, at 3:42 PM, "Michael D. Weisner"
>>> <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > At one time I had water leaking in at the thru hull fitting for the
>>> cockpit
>>> > drain on my '81. The level in the laz never rose more than an inch
>>> > or
>>two
>>> > when on the hook. When sailing, quite a bit more water was found
>>> > in the
>>> laz
>>> > at the end of the day. I found that the gasket around the fitting
>>> > had disintegrated over time (30 years).
>>> >
>>> > I snugged the nut to the bottom of the laz BY HAND, not wanting to
>>> fracture
>>> > the fiberglass around the fitting nor the 30 year-old nylon
>>> > fitting. I
>>> was
>>> > able to complete the season without a tremendous amount of water in
>>> > the
>>> laz.
>>> > During the winter layup I replaced the thru hull fitting, the hose
>>> > and
>>the
>>> > two clamps, rebedding both fittings. Never had another problem.
>>> >
>>> > Mike
>>> > s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>>> > s/v <- no name -> ('91)
>>> > Nissequogue River, NY
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob
>>> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 3:21 PM
>>> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>>> >
>>> > Joe,
>>> > There will be some water visible in the cockpit drain when viewed
>>> > from
>>the
>>> > cockpit. I'm with Mary Lou in that if you are getting water into
>>> > the
>>boat
>>> > with no rain, wind, or heeling; there are two likely places. The
>>> > centerboard housing, which is unlikely if you haven't taken it
>>> > apart
>>> lately,
>>> > and the cockpit drain. Take a real close look at the hose and thru
>>> > hull
>>> of
>>> > the cockpit drain hose which you get to through the laz. The hose
>>> > looks like radiation hose with a couple of hose clamps on it. A
>>> > loose clamp
>>or
>>> a
>>> > worn hose may be an issue. Good luck! - rob
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Joe Camp
>>> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 3:10 PM
>>> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>>> >
>>> > Mary Lou:
>>> >
>>> > There is some standing water I noticed in the deck cockpit drain.
>>> I'd
>>> > never noticed any there before, though maybe I missed it previously.
>>Sink
>>> > drain looks fine, but could stand a close inspection. Everyone has
>>> > given
>>> me
>>> > excellent information with which to investigate a variety of
>>> > causes. I suppose, now is the time to make up a checklist and
>>> > begin to tic off possible sources. Tally ho! Thanks to all.
>>> >
>>> > Joe
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> ________________________________
>>> >> From: Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
>>> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> >> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 11:20 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm wet (with a twist)
>>> >>
>>> >> Hmm. No rain, not much wind or did you have rain up there? If not....
>>> >> What do you have for through hulls? Check the aft cockpit drain.
>>> >> The tube for it goes through the lazarette. Check your sink drain
>>> >> fittings though that is above water and only ships water on a heel
>>> >> (water will get into the boat if the drain hose is loose and the
>>> >> boat heels). The only other culprit that I can think of is the
>>> >> centerboard housing but if you haven't had it apart recently and
>>> >> it didn't leak before, it's unlikely to leak now. I suppose it's
>>> >> possible that water is still running into the low spot from when you got swamped.
>>> >>
>>> >> Good luck in tracking it down.
>>> >>
>>> >> Mary Lou
>>> >> 1991 R22 Fretless
>>> >> Rock Hall, MD
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> At 09:07 PM 7/12/2012, you wrote:
>>> >>> Hi Gang:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> You may remember, in the last episode, Joe had faced the
>>> >>>heartbreak of a wet boat. In this installment, he reports that,
>>> >>>despite pumping and sponging water, more seems to replace what has
>>> >>>been removed from the bilge. It's not a flood, but it keeps
>>> >>>showing up when he goes to the boat or sails.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> What culprit has gained control of circumstances? Is the
>>> >>>boat afflicted by an unseen crack in the hull? Is there some
>>> >>>hiding place
>>
>>> >>> from which water seeps? How long will our hero have to battle
>>> >>> the errant water? Is he just a rube being cruelly played by the
>>> >>> forces of nature? The only way to find out is to discern the
>>> >>> answer yourselves and help the hapless Joe. So, break out your
>>> >>> decoder rings and solve this problem. Then tell Joe (in a
>>> >>> non-coded
>>> >>> message) what the hell is up with this. Until next time, Rhodes
>>> Rangers!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Joe Camp
>>> >>> s/v John Dawson
>>> >>> Earleville, MD.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> P.S. Who is the red hulled Rhodes on a mooring at Bohemia Bay Marina?
>>
>>> >>> I see you there.
>>> >>>
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