[Rhodes22-list] Thank you re. winter storage / Introduction
Reinaldo Medina
iberoray59 at yahoo.com
Mon Sep 24 22:52:19 EDT 2012
Hello, Folks: First I would like to thank all of you who shared excellent advice on winter storage a few days ago: Mary Lou, Rummy, Jay Curry, and Joe Camp. It was all very helpful. By way of introduction, I am a retired New York State worker from Clifton Park, NY who decided to learn sailing at my tender age of 64. I had acquired a '74 Rhodes 22 about a year and a half ago which became too big of a project and I was not spending any time sailing. To the rescue came Michael Weisner from Kings Park, NY in Long Island, and he sold me his 1981 Rhodes 22, aptly named "Shanghai'd_Summer" on this July 12, and I have been learning and thoroughly enjoying my sailing adventures and misadventures until now. Tomorrow, it will be placed in storage by a marina at Mayfield, NY on the Great Sacandaga Lake, quite a large man-made lake and reservoir in the southern Adirondacks. I still have the '74 Rhodes which I am reluctant to part
with now...There is something about these boats that after one scrubs them a few times and sheds some sweat and tears they kinda grow on you....Anyway, I enjoy reading and learning a lot from all the contributions that members share on this site and I will be tuning in as often as possible.
Thank you again,
Reinaldo (RAY) Medina,
Clifton Park, NY
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 14:39:49 -0400
From: "Stephen Staum" <snstaum at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Dinghy Selection Complete and other notes
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FYI (even though you already made your purchase),
I use a 10' Port-A-Boat. It folds flat (4" thick), sits against the wall in
the garage, straps easily on the roof rack
and tows nicely behind the
Rhodes. The important features to me were: it rows very nicely - just like
a solid row boat - yet stores and travels easily, the hard chines make it
quite stable and the installed flotation make it safer than an inflatable.
I had an inflatable deflate while enroute to my mooring and it is a lousy
feeling. They do make a sail kit but I assume that it is not a great
sailboat. It does motor very well - I have used the 4 or 5 hp outboards
from the Carol Lee and it would plane at about 15 knots with just me on
board. It will carry 3-4 people and lots of gear. On extended open water
trips, I have strapped it folded to the starboard lifelines with the seats
and transom below the port cockpit seats. While assembly on board would be
challenging (w boat across the cockpit) I can usually find a float to tie to
in order to assemble it
easily.
Stephen Staum
sv Carol Lee 2
Needham, MA
-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Curry
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 1:09 PM
To: rhodes List
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Dinghy Selection Complete and other notes
Thanks for the feedback folks. I was looking at sea eagle models. Knowing
others had used them successfully made the choice easy. We have a model 370
package on the way.
I loved the idea of just beaching the boat, but in the Great Lakes for
example the beaches are often very rocky and some serious rocks are often
hidden just under the sand. In addition, exploring small islands is often
much easier from the shore line than on rough trails inland. You often need
the option of a stowable dinghy to get around. Shore waters can often be
rough and you need a stable maneuverable boat to stay safe.
In my experience, most of my fellow boaters at anchor on lake superior,
used
their dinghy's solely for trips to shore for their dogs. They would get up
at dawn, haul what often seemed like a Great Dane size mutt off of
everything from small fishing boats to large sail boats and dinghy it to
shore for a walk. Of course this had to be done in any weather and in in any
conditions. I kept waiting for someone to just hold the dog over the side on
a really bad day. I love dogs, but not on a small boat with two people
already competing for space.
In October 2010, I took a transit on the Lady Washington from Westport, WA
to San Francisco. The Lady Washington is an authentic wooden replica of the
1787 Brig of the same name. She was instrumental in opening up the west
coast to trade and exploration. The replica is now the official WA State
ship. It is also the ship that Captain Jack Sparrow commandeered in the
first Pirates of the Caribbean movie. It was fitted with a wheel for the
movie.
Ours had the original tiller back in place. We spent 7 days in rough
seas with no showers and until the last two days, it was all under sail day
and night. We crossed the Westport bar once at night and the Columbia River
bar twice. The captain had a dog on board with its own life jacket and
beacon.
Since the dog could not go to shore, they set a litter box on deck after we
left the Columbia River for San Francisco. The dog refused to use it. The
Captain did his best to walk the dog all over the ship and kept stopping at
the box. The dog would just wag his tail and look up at the captain and keep
motioning toward the area where he knew the gang plank was always set up. By
the second day, you could see the dog crossing his legs and walking funny.
He was bound and determined not to use that box. Toward the end of the
second day, The dog was wandering the deck between walks around the litter
box and came to visit
me. It decided to let go right next to me while my
attention was elsewhere. The crew saw what was happening and warned me in
time, but I still nearly fell over board trying to get away.
Moving on deck was tricky, you had to time your steps with the motion of the
boat. If you guessed wrong, you went for a tumble. I went for a tumble. On a
trip to the head from my bunk one night, I misjudged my reach to the steps
from my bunk, got caught by a violent swing to one side and got slammed into
the stair rail. It left a mark. One of the other passengers misjudged his
exit to from the hold in a similar manner and banged his head hard enough on
the hold cover to cut his scalp. He refused any help and spent the next
couple of days with a napkin on top of his balding head held down at each
corner with Mickey Mouse band-aids. At least most of the time it was under
his rain cap. It was an interesting trip.
Anyway, during
the rest of that night and the next morning the crew on each
watch spent a good deal of time throwing buckets over the side and hauling
up water to wash down the deck. This was sometimes for the dog and other
times for those on the crew who were sea sick. The dog seemed to now have a
constant smile and the litter box stayed unused. I decided long ago, that if
we ever had kept a dog on the boat, it would have to be trained to blow up
the dinghy and then get to shore and back on its own.
I love cats too, but I am really confused by those who keep cats on board.
The cat we kept for 18 years could peel the pain off of the wall for 10 feet
around the litter box after a night out chasing critters. Imagining that in
the small confines of a sail boat is nightmarish. I would bet our cat could
have softened the fiberglass. Maybe cat owners with boats have found some
feeding routine that helps like a full vegetarian diet
mixed with carpet
fresh.
Thanks again for the feed back. Take care.
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Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 03:32:45 +0000 (UTC)
From: peter klappert <peterklappert at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Dinghy Selection Complete and other notes
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Hi Chris. Maybe it's not the W-B, maybe it's me. 2-3 hours kneeling between mid & aft seats and my legs are wet noodles. Interesting suggestion about the plans for the pram. I suspect one could just get plans for one of the old plywood prams and make one out of sheet fiberglass. If I ever stop moving out of DC, I might just try.
In honor of Rummy, I hereby sign this post:
Peter K
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Geankoplis"
<napoli68 at charter.net>
To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 6:42:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Dinghy Selection Complete and other notes
So Peter,
Why not get that back issue of Popular Boating and see if you can
build a copy (or have someone build you one, might be the start of a new
business! Sorry about the WB's sailing ability, I was thinking about one
for my son's boat.
Chris G
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of peter klappert
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 10:34 PM
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Dinghy Selection Complete and other notes
Jay--
I really got a kick out of your message. Thanks!
Two comments.
Dogs: Training pads are available for house-breaking a dog & I think they
may be washable & reusable. They have some kind of irresistable (for a dog)
scent. I expect to try one some day--I mean let my dog try one.
Dinghy: I ended up buying a 10' Walker Bay with sail kit because it was an
incredible buy: it had been in the water once & never even been
Chris G
rigged for sailing--everything was still sealed in plastic--and the price
was less than 1/2 West Marine's list. Mostly I wanted it to play around in
the tidal canal behind my house and to
get under Aeolia for various tasks
when she's on her lift. Eventually I'll try towing the dink, though I've
been told it's not a great idea with the R22.
Anyway, I just want to mention that I find the W-B pretty tippy and
unstable. (Also, the way W-B has a block for the sheet attached to the
center seat means you can't sit there while sailing. Besides, you don't need
the block anyway.) But the main disappointment has been that the boat points
so poorly. The canal runs East-West, as do the prevailing winds, and when
the tide is running it's often impossible to make much headway. Coming back
before the wind is fun, but it's over in no time!
I guess I was spoiled by sailing pram I had in the 50s & 60s, a prototype
for a boat never put into production though it got a 2-page writeup in
Popular Boating. It was made of sheet fiberglass (teak outboard mount, seats
and gunwales) and weighed maybe 45 lbs. (The
W-B weighs 120.) I could get
the center seat across my shoulders, wade out knee-deep from a beach, and
sort of shrug the boat off so it flipped upright before hitting the water.
This protype had a Dyer dink sail but was faster than a Dyer. It pointed
well and turned on the proverbial dime. I remember sort of slaloming between
lobster-pot floats or mooring markers in the old Block Island harbor.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Curry" <jac2 at wavecable.com>
To: "rhodes List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 1:09:22 PM
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Dinghy Selection Complete and other notes
Thanks for the feedback folks. I was looking at sea eagle models. Knowing
others had used them successfully
made the choice easy. We have a model 370
package on the way.
I loved the idea of just beaching the boat, but in the Great Lakes for
example the beaches are often very rocky and some serious rocks are often
hidden just under the sand. In addition, exploring small islands is often
much easier from the shore line than on rough trails inland. You often need
the option of a stowable dinghy to get around. Shore waters can often be
rough and you need a stable maneuverable boat to stay safe.
In my experience, most of my fellow boaters at anchor on lake superior, used
their dinghy's solely for trips to shore for their dogs. They would get up
at dawn, haul what often seemed like a Great Dane size mutt off of
everything from small fishing boats to large sail boats and dinghy it to
shore for a walk. Of course this had to be done in any weather and in in any
conditions. I kept waiting for someone to
just hold the dog over the side on
a really bad day. I love dogs, but not on a small boat with two people
already competing for space.
In October 2010, I took a transit on the Lady Washington from Westport, WA
to San Francisco. The Lady Washington is an authentic wooden replica of the
1787 Brig of the same name. She was instrumental in opening up the west
coast to trade and exploration. The replica is now the official WA State
ship. It is also the ship that Captain Jack Sparrow commandeered in the
first Pirates of the Caribbean movie. It was fitted with a wheel for the
movie. Ours had the original tiller back in place. We spent 7 days in rough
seas with no showers and until the last two days, it was all under sail day
and night. We crossed the Westport bar once at night and the Columbia River
bar twice. The captain had a dog on board with its own life jacket and
beacon.
Since the dog could
not go to shore, they set a litter box on deck after we
left the Columbia River for San Francisco. The dog refused to use it. The
Captain did his best to walk the dog all over the ship and kept stopping at
the box. The dog would just wag his tail and look up at the captain and keep
motioning toward the area where he knew the gang plank was always set up. By
the second day, you could see the dog crossing his legs and walking funny.
He was bound and determined not to use that box. Toward the end of the
second day, The dog was wandering the deck between walks around the litter
box and came to visit me. It decided to let go right next to me while my
attention was elsewhere. The crew saw what was happening and warned me in
time, but I still nearly fell over board trying to get away.
Moving on deck was tricky, you had to time your steps with the motion of the
boat. If you guessed wrong, you went for
a tumble. I went for a tumble. On a
trip to the head from my bunk one night, I misjudged my reach to the steps
from my bunk, got caught by a violent swing to one side and got slammed into
the stair rail. It left a mark. One of the other passengers misjudged his
exit to from the hold in a similar manner and banged his head hard enough on
the hold cover to cut his scalp. He refused any help and spent the next
couple of days with a napkin on top of his balding head held down at each
corner with Mickey Mouse band-aids. At least most of the time it was under
his rain cap. It was an interesting trip.
Anyway, during the rest of that night and the next morning the crew on each
watch spent a good deal of time throwing buckets over the side and hauling
up water to wash down the deck. This was sometimes for the dog and other
times for those on the crew who were sea sick. The dog seemed to now have a
constant smile and the litter box stayed unused. I decided long ago, that if
we ever had kept a dog on the boat, it would have to be trained to blow up
the dinghy and then get to shore and back on its own.
I love cats too, but I am really confused by those who keep cats on board.
The cat we kept for 18 years could peel the pain off of the wall for 10 feet
around the litter box after a night out chasing critters. Imagining that in
the small confines of a sail boat is nightmarish. I would bet our cat could
have softened the fiberglass. Maybe cat owners with boats have found some
feeding routine that helps like a full vegetarian diet mixed with carpet
fresh.
Thanks again for the feed back. Take care.
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 22:56:41 -0700
From: "Chris Geankoplis" <napoli68 at charter.net>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Dinghy Selection Complete and other notes
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So let me know what happens. Sounds you can sell the WB and not take a
loss.
Chris G
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of peter klappert
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 8:33 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Dinghy Selection Complete and other notes
Hi Chris. Maybe it's not the W-B, maybe it's me. 2-3 hours kneeling between
mid & aft seats and my legs are wet noodles. Interesting suggestion about
the plans for the pram. I suspect one could just get plans for one of the
old plywood prams and make one out of sheet
fiberglass. If I ever stop
moving out of DC, I might just try.
In honor of Rummy, I hereby sign this post:
Peter K
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Geankoplis" <napoli68 at charter.net>
To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 6:42:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Dinghy Selection Complete and other notes
So Peter,
Why not get that back issue of Popular Boating and see if you can
build a copy (or have someone build you one, might be the start of a new
business! Sorry about the WB's sailing ability, I was thinking about one
for my son's boat.
Chris G
-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of peter klappert
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 10:34 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Dinghy Selection Complete and other notes
Jay--
I really got a kick out of your message. Thanks!
Two comments.
Dogs: Training pads are available for house-breaking a dog & I think they
may be washable & reusable. They have some kind of irresistable (for a dog)
scent. I expect to try one some day--I mean let my dog try one.
Dinghy: I ended up buying a 10' Walker Bay with sail kit because it was an
incredible buy: it had been in the water once & never even been
Chris G
rigged for sailing--everything was still sealed in plastic--and the price
was less than 1/2 West Marine's list. Mostly I wanted it to play around in
the tidal canal behind my house and to get under Aeolia for various tasks
when she's on her lift. Eventually I'll try towing the dink, though I've
been told it's not a great idea with the R22.
Anyway, I just want to mention that I find the W-B pretty tippy and
unstable. (Also, the way W-B has a block for the sheet attached to the
center seat means you can't sit there while sailing. Besides, you don't need
the block anyway.) But the main disappointment has been that the boat points
so poorly. The canal runs East-West, as do the prevailing winds, and when
the tide is running it's often impossible to make much headway. Coming back
before the wind is fun, but it's over in no time!
I guess I was spoiled by sailing pram I had in the 50s & 60s, a
prototype
for a boat never put into production though it got a 2-page writeup in
Popular Boating. It was made of sheet fiberglass (teak outboard mount, seats
and gunwales) and weighed maybe 45 lbs. (The W-B weighs 120.) I could get
the center seat across my shoulders, wade out knee-deep from a beach, and
sort of shrug the boat off so it flipped upright before hitting the water.
This protype had a Dyer dink sail but was faster than a Dyer. It pointed
well and turned on the proverbial dime. I remember sort of slaloming between
lobster-pot floats or mooring markers in the old Block Island harbor.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Curry" <jac2 at wavecable.com>
To: "rhodes List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Thursday, September
20, 2012 1:09:22 PM
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Dinghy Selection Complete and other notes
Thanks for the feedback folks. I was looking at sea eagle models. Knowing
others had used them successfully made the choice easy. We have a model 370
package on the way.
I loved the idea of just beaching the boat, but in the Great Lakes for
example the beaches are often very rocky and some serious rocks are often
hidden just under the sand. In addition, exploring small islands is often
much easier from the shore line than on rough trails inland. You often need
the option of a stowable dinghy to get around. Shore waters can often be
rough and you need a stable maneuverable boat to stay safe.
In my experience, most of my fellow boaters at anchor on lake superior, used
their dinghy's solely for trips to shore for their dogs. They would get up
at dawn, haul what often seemed like a Great Dane size mutt off of
everything from small fishing boats to large sail boats and dinghy it to
shore for a walk. Of course this had to be done in any weather and in in any
conditions. I kept waiting for someone to just hold the dog over the side on
a really bad day. I love dogs, but not on a small boat with two people
already competing for space.
In October 2010, I took a transit on the Lady Washington from Westport, WA
to San Francisco. The Lady Washington is an authentic wooden replica of the
1787 Brig of the same name. She was instrumental in opening up the west
coast to trade and exploration. The replica is now the official WA State
ship. It is also the ship that Captain Jack Sparrow commandeered in the
first Pirates of the Caribbean movie. It was fitted with a wheel for the
movie. Ours had the original tiller back in place. We spent 7 days in rough
seas with no showers and until the last two days, it was all
under sail day
and night. We crossed the Westport bar once at night and the Columbia River
bar twice. The captain had a dog on board with its own life jacket and
beacon.
Since the dog could not go to shore, they set a litter box on deck after we
left the Columbia River for San Francisco. The dog refused to use it. The
Captain did his best to walk the dog all over the ship and kept stopping at
the box. The dog would just wag his tail and look up at the captain and keep
motioning toward the area where he knew the gang plank was always set up. By
the second day, you could see the dog crossing his legs and walking funny.
He was bound and determined not to use that box. Toward the end of the
second day, The dog was wandering the deck between walks around the litter
box and came to visit me. It decided to let go right next to me while my
attention was elsewhere. The crew saw what was happening and
warned me in
time, but I still nearly fell over board trying to get away.
Moving on deck was tricky, you had to time your steps with the motion of the
boat. If you guessed wrong, you went for a tumble. I went for a tumble. On a
trip to the head from my bunk one night, I misjudged my reach to the steps
from my bunk, got caught by a violent swing to one side and got slammed into
the stair rail. It left a mark. One of the other passengers misjudged his
exit to from the hold in a similar manner and banged his head hard enough on
the hold cover to cut his scalp. He refused any help and spent the next
couple of days with a napkin on top of his balding head held down at each
corner with Mickey Mouse band-aids. At least most of the time it was under
his rain cap. It was an interesting trip.
Anyway, during the rest of that night and the next morning the crew on each
watch spent a good deal of
time throwing buckets over the side and hauling
up water to wash down the deck. This was sometimes for the dog and other
times for those on the crew who were sea sick. The dog seemed to now have a
constant smile and the litter box stayed unused. I decided long ago, that if
we ever had kept a dog on the boat, it would have to be trained to blow up
the dinghy and then get to shore and back on its own.
I love cats too, but I am really confused by those who keep cats on board.
The cat we kept for 18 years could peel the pain off of the wall for 10 feet
around the litter box after a night out chasing critters. Imagining that in
the small confines of a sail boat is nightmarish. I would bet our cat could
have softened the fiberglass. Maybe cat owners with boats have found some
feeding routine that helps like a full vegetarian diet mixed with carpet
fresh.
Thanks again for the feed back. Take care.
__________________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 04:31:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mike C <hmcheung57 at gmail.com>
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Good point, Rummy. And easy to do just by setting up a 'signature'.
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