[Rhodes22-list] Seaward 25 vs R22 some info was Re: Ok to beach the Rhodes?

[ALICE WEISZ]

My Rhodes, on Kent Island MD,  is for sale but is already out of the water for winter.  You're welcomed to view the exterior.

Alice

 > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:46:59 -0500
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Seaward 25 vs R22 some info was Re: Ok to beach the Rhodes?
> 
> I think they are very different boats so you may want to decide which 
> is better suited to your needs.
> 
> I believe the 1994 Seaward 25 is longer, heavier and wider than a 
> R22. It may also have a fixed keel - I believe the mid-90s Seaward 
> 25s had a very shallow draft wing keel. those factors would mean more 
> tow vehicle if you are towing and more limited choice of ramps if you 
> launching.
> 
>   Probably has more room down below but I don't think they have a 
> pop-top so may be only sitting (or stooping) headroom. Probably has a 
> smaller cockpit - the Rhodes 22 has the most comfortable cockpit of 
> any boat I have ever been on - of any size.
> 
> There is more info about the Seaward 25 in this thread on the Trailer 
> Sailor BB. Some of the links may be dead but the info should still be good.
> http://bbs.trailersailor.com/forums/seaward/index.cgi/noframes/read/47925
> 
> There is also a forum for Seaward/Hake Yachts on that forum.
> 
> You can, of course ask more questions about the Rhodes 22 here. We 
> are all pretty delighted with our boats but a lot of that is fitting 
> how we use a boat to the unique characteristics of a Rhodes 22.
> 
> Best,
> Mary Lou
> 1991 R22  Fretless
> Rock Hall, MD
> 
> 
> At 12:09 PM 1/28/2013, you wrote:
> >To all,
> >
> >Trying to decide between a Rhodes 22 and a 1994 Seaward. Any comments?
> >
> >ShelA and I live in Columbia MO and are considering driving to 
> >Saugatuck, Michigan this weekend to look at a Seaward 25. I have not 
> >been on a Rhodes yet but that would certainly influence our 
> >decision. Is anyone located between Saugatuck, MI that would allow 
> >us to see your boat this weekend while on our way to Saugatuck?
> >
> >Thanks to all,
> >Michael
> >
> >On Jan 12, 2013, at 11:16, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Andrew,
> > >
> > > If you're not getting any cracks or hull deformation around the bunks or
> > > keel, your trailer is probably correctly configured for your vintage of
> > > boat.  The instructions for replacing trailer bunks for the newer model
> > > boat stipulate no downward load on the bunks when the boat is correctly
> > > seated.
> > >
> > > Rick
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Andrew Collins <
> > > sailingvesselcarmen at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> As far as I know the keel is 700 lbs of concrete in all models. Mine is an
> > >> '86 and sits on the bunks like everyone else's with no weight on the keel.
> > >> CB not diamond board.
> > >> Andrew
> > >>
> > >> Sent from mobile device.
> > >>
> > >> On Jan 10, 2013, at 21:20, Ellyn and Sam Moore <eandsmoore at hughes.net>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I hope and think this not so. Before Stan re-wrote his website it
> > >> stressed the Rhodes righting ability. The old specs had lots of weight in
> > >> the keel. I doubt it has changed, even for the added weight of the inner
> > >> furling main.
> > >>> Sam Moore, '77 R22, Rhodester
> > >>>
> > >>> On Jan 10, 2013, at 11:38 AM, Rick wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>> From these descriptions of older boats riding high on the trailer, I
> > >> think
> > >>>> the best way to answer the question of this thread is to first determine
> > >>>> the age of the boat.   It seems boats older than about 20 years were not
> > >>>> built with an authentic weighted keel.  That probably equates with not
> > >>>> having a diamond board.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> So if your boat is less than 20 and has a diamond board, beaching it and
> > >>>> driving it onto the trailer should be fine.  But if your boat is older
> > >> and
> > >>>> has a center board, more caution is warranted.
> > >>>
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