[Rhodes22-list] Mast Plate

Michael Hellyar michaelhellyar at icloud.com
Sat Jun 22 13:15:40 EDT 2013 

We did not mean to cause a ruckus. I have another sailboat,an Abbott 22 beautiful and have never had to mess with the mast or mast step. I prefer to use the marina manual crane to raise and lower my mast.

Mike Hellyar
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On Jun 21, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Dennis Frappier <dennisf at maine.rr.com> wrote:

> Hi I have been following the conversation with a lot of interest as I have
> just put in a compression post and the block for the mast plate to sit on.
> What type and size of screws are correct to install the mast plate?  
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Dennis Frappier
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael Hellyar
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 9:14 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sacrificial Toothpicks
> 
> I got some non Rhodes owner feedback from the BoatDesign.net forum. They
> reminded me that many boats like an S2 that has a stub fastened to the deck.
> The mast fits over the stub. 
> So, we will switch back to screws.It's easy to re drill the holes if needed.
> Thanks to everyone for the education. 
> 
> Mike Hellyar
> sent from my iPad
> 
> On Jun 21, 2013, at 8:43 AM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mike,
>> 
>> Here are my thoughts on the subject.
>> 
>> 1. I've never hear of an R22 mast coming down in a blow. Based on my 
>> own experience, leverage mistakes when raising the mast are much more 
>> common. All you need to do is forget to put the poptop/boom slider in 
>> the up position or slide the poptop/cpmpanionway slide closed and you 
>> create a leverage point that can be damaged if you don't notice it.
>> If you just use the screws the fix is easy and the leverage points 
>> don't get damaged. (hear the voice of experience - we were glad there 
>> were screws there.)
>> 
>> 2. As everyone else has said the stays are more than sufficient to 
>> keep the mast up. Even boats that have been rolled in a microburst 
>> (there is one account somewhere in the archives) or damaged in a 
>> hurricane, don't have the mast come down as you are envisioning. The 
>> mast may stick in the mud and get damaged, chainplates may pull but 
>> the mast doesn't go flying. For that to happen you would have to have
>> 2 and maybe 3 stays/chainplates go simultaneously.
>> 
>> 3) If the above happened and the mast did go flying it would be just 
>> as deadly with a chunk of fiberglass attached to it. The leverage of 
>> the mast is such that if the stays go the bolts won't help much - 
>> might as well be screws.
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>> Mary Lou
>> 1991 R22 Fretless
>> 
>> 
>> At 11:36 PM 6/20/2013, you wrote:
>>> I appreciate all the feedback and we will consider all the comments. 
>>> I explained our logic for through bolting and I hope someone will 
>>> explain why we are wrong.
>>> 
>>> Mike Hellyar
>>> sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On Jun 20, 2013, at 11:44 AM, R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Mike,
>>>> Please follow the advice of the list (and Stan's) and DO NOT through 
>>>> bolt the mast step.
>>>> 
>>>> Rummy
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> In a message dated 6/20/2013 9:06:16 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
>>>> mdh007 at wowway.com writes:
>>>> 
>>>> We are  re-attaching the mast step fitting. The holes were left 
>>>> uncovered for years.  We are going to through bolt. Yes, we know 
>>>> Stan's
>>> theory. We used
>>>> a simple  process described in West System Boat Maintenance. Cured 
>>>> epoxy can be hard on  drill bits so Steve came up with the idea to 
>>>> slobber match sticks with some  paste wax use clear tape over the 
>>>> filled holed
>>> and stick the
>>>> match sticks into  the epoxy to create a pilot small starter pilot. 
>>>> Tape hold the matchsticks  vertical. And it worked like a charm. And 
>>>> the epoxy wicked quite a bit to  repair any core damage in the area. 
>>>> By
>>> taping the hole
>>>> opening in the cabin we  prevented in leakage. Given the strength
>>> of epoxy we
>>>> could just as well have  re-drilled and screwed into the epoxy.
>>>> 
>>>> Mike Hellyar
>>>> Steve Congdon,  Rhodesmaster I
>>>> sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>> Begin forwarded  message:
>>>> 
>>>>> From: sjcclu <sjcclu at msn.com>
>>>>> Date: June  19, 2013, 7:49:17 AM EDT
>>>>> To: Mike Hellyar <mdh007 at wowway.com>,  Mike Hellyar 
>>>>> <mhellyar22 at yahoo.com>
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>>>>> Reply-To: sjcclu <sjcclu at msn.com>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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