[Rhodes22-list] UPS SAIL

Tue May 21 14:05:45 EDT 2013

 john
if you go to www.rhodes22.org in the left margin is a tab called ups sail...in there you will find pictures of the sail at various stages or raising and unfurling
hope that helps
tom deliberto

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Collins <sailingvesselcarmen at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tue, May 21, 2013 1:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] availability of 130% genoas

The UPS has no UV cover so I always stow it. 
Andrew

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On May 20, 2013, at 16:44, John Lock <jlock at relevantarts.com> wrote:

> I've been thinking along the same lines...  Would be nice to have both 
> foresails mounted on furlers.  I think that's called a Solent rig now.  
> Difference between Solent and Cutter seems to be spacing of the two 
> forestays (Cutter being much farther apart with inner forestay carrying 
> a smaller sail.  The Solent rig was supposed to let you carry a 100% 
> working jib and a larger genoa and use them in combination sailing off 
> the wind.  On the wind the Solent rig becomes unbalanced and harder to 
> manage with too much drive ahead of the mast.  With a cutter rig, not so 
> much.  Although you could add a bowsprit to increase the spacing, that 
> will also move the center of effort even farther forward and make the 
> balance problem worse.  You could combat that by furling BOTH head 
> sails, but begins to sound like work!
> 
> I think it was Mary Lou that had a good solution to this - mounting the 
> UPS on a luff wire behind the forestay (and removable) although you can 
> still furl the UPS on its wire.  Or unshackle and stow... do I remember 
> that right?
> 
> --
> Cheers!
> John Lock
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
> Lake Sinclair, GA
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> 
> 
> On 2013-05-20 16:19, Wickman, William E wrote:
>> So now that you have had it for a few years, how has it held up?  Also, did 
you get a luff pad as well?
>> 
>> Stan's 130 offering raises some interesting questions for discussion.  It 
seems to me that the 130 combined with a UPS might be a really nice combination.  
Go with the 130 in medium to heavy air, or when you want to point as high as 
possible; and put up the UPS in lighter air.  Maybe use both together when 
running downwind?  I wonder if they could both be used simultaneously like a 
cutter rig (though probably not enough room between the luffs, has anyone tried 
to do that)?  Hmm. Maybe add a bowsprit and put the UPS at the end of it.  But 
now we are messing with Stan's boat design which should not be done.
>> 
>> Another question is what would the cut on the 130 look like?  It would be 
nice if it had more deck clearance than the 175.  I frequently have people 
sitting up front while sailing and would be nice to be able to tack without 
sweeping them overboard; although sometimes it is fun to do.
>> 
>> Bill W.
>> s/v Fina Lee
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] 
On Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy
>> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 2:16 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] availability of 130% genoas
>> 
>> When we had our genoa cleaned and repaired by Sailcare several years
>> ago, they replaced the Sunbrella with the lighter weight material. I
>> forget what it was called. they cautioned us that it would not hold
>> up to UV as well as the Sunbrella but seeing as how we were putting
>> it on a 10 year old sail, that didn't bother us too much. It is a
>> little sticky to touch and does attract a small amount of dirt. It is
>> also much lighter than Sunbrella and made a significant difference in
>> sail handling in light air. While it is not as forgiving as the UPS
>> sail, we found we did not get out the UPS as frequently with the new
>> suncover. Gained sailing ability on at least a couple of knots lighter air.
>> 
>> Mary Lou
>> 1991 R22 Fretless
>> recycled 1998
>> Rock Hall, MD
>> 
>> 
>> At 10:34 AM 5/20/2013, you wrote:
>>> One of the issues with the 175 was the heavy sunbrella.  I wonder if
>>> the lightweight material Stan references would help the 175?  Has
>>> anyone replaced their sunbrella with a lighter material on their
>>> 175?  If so, how did it work?  Any improvements?
>>> 
>>> Bill W.
>>> s/v Fina Lee
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Stan Spitzer
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 7:55 AM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List; stan spitzer
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] availability of 130% genoas
>>> 
>>>      with so much chatting about smaller genoas we are coming out with
>>> 130% Doyle genoas with white lightweight self covers and having all the
>>> other standard 175% genoa features; $1,000 including S&H  ($900 C of S
>>> participants.)
>>> 
>>>      let us know if you have any interest.
>>> 
>>> general boats
>>> 
>>>      PS:  On May 25th John Wadenhausen is launching his new Rhodes in
>>> the Seattle area - he is nervous and all constructive kibitzers are
>>> invited.  His e-mail is   waldjh1 at gmail.com     206 612 2134   or 206
>>> 799 5193
>>> 
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