[Rhodes22-list] Self Tending JIb

Tue Oct 8 20:36:10 EDT 2013

Cross sheeting - not an entirely new concept.

-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Shawn Boles
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 6:06 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Self Tending JIb

Stan has very clear instructions for tacking in the booklet he provides,
including the idea of bringing working sheet across the cockpit to windward
side. If you follow his guidelines you can tack with ease (even with the
175).

Cheers,
Shawn
S/V Sweet Baboo

On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:

> Charles,
>
> When single handing in heavy air, I usually bring the working jib 
> sheet to the windward winch and cleat there.  I just don't like leaning
downhill.
>
> Rick
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Charles Nieman
> <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
> > I tried this with furling my 130....it worked great .... I rigged my 
> > the opposite hand (started at the starboard shroud and ran through 
> > the port side, because I had a cam cleat there that would service; 
> > and maybe I
> get a
> > little dyslexic)..... very happy with the results and may use this a
> great
> > deal more, except of course in very light winds .....
> >
> > Charles
> > 98 R 22
> > s/v Day Dream
> > Arlington, TX
> >
> > > From: jac2 at wavecable.com
> > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 05:52:54 -0700
> > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Self Tending JIb
> > >
> > > Some time ago, I posted a request to those on list for any 
> > > information anyone had on self tending jib options for my 
> > > refurbished 92 Rhodes. I
> > asked
> > > about sail dimensions, rigging options etc. What I got in response 
> > > were questions and a note from Stan that he would be willing to 
> > > revisit his design on the problem. I just went ahead and started 
> > > with the only
> known
> > > requirement...... A smaller jib sail.
> > >
> > > I wanted to solve several problems.
> > >
> > > 1. The 175% jib is too large for easy single handed operation 
> > > unless it stays reefed.
> > > 2. The 175% unbalances the boat severely in moderate winds above 
> > > 12
> > knots or
> > > so.
> > > 3. The 175% is too small to be useful when reefed far enough for a 
> > > self tending rig.
> > >
> > > I had seen many comments on the list about concerns in winds above 
> > > 15
> > knots
> > > or so. In my experience with other boats, things don't get fun 
> > > until
> you
> > get
> > > above 15 knots. This has been our first summer on the boat. It was
> clear
> > > immediately the 175% had to go unless you wanted to race and had 
> > > an experienced first mate willing to constantly tend it.
> > >
> > > Reefed however, the 175% operated wonderfully even in light winds. 
> > > It
> was
> > > clear a smaller sail would be prudent and a self tending rig that 
> > > could
> > be
> > > easily used or not as desired would be ideal but, I had no idea 
> > > what
> > kind of
> > > rigging would be required. All I knew is that the jib sail needed 
> > > to be
> > able
> > > to swing free when fully deployed. I measured the boat for a 100% 
> > > sail,
> > sent
> > > the dimensions to Doyle and had one made.
> > >
> > > The 100% worked great with normal rigging. Winds above 20 knots 
> > > were no problem even under full sail. Furling was easy even under 
> > > a full wind
> > load
> > > and swapping sheets in tacking was quick and simple.
> > >
> > > Options for the self tending rig included everything from a full
> > duplication
> > > of the main rigging (boom, topping lift, traveler and sheet) to 
> > > just a single line run through the clew and tied between two 
> > > points somewhere
> on
> > > the bow. The single line has worked very, very well  and allowed
> > sustained
> > > speeds above 5 knots in 10 to 15 knot winds. It also handled 
> > > higher
> winds
> > > with no trouble.
> > >
> > > Here is how it is rigged.
> > >
> > > The clew of the 100% sail just passes the forward shrouds under 
> > > normal rigging with port and starboard sheets. A slight furling 
> > > can stop it at
> > the
> > > forward shroud and still leave about 90% of the sail deployed. 
> > > This is
> > the
> > > position it is in for self tending. The normal sheets stay 
> > > connected
> and
> > > just loose enough to allow it to swing freely to each side. A 
> > > single
> > block
> > > is attached to the jib clew and another single block is attached 
> > > to the
> > base
> > > of the starboard forward shroud. The self tending line is secured 
> > > first
> > to
> > > the base of the port forward shroud, routed through the block in 
> > > the
> sail
> > > clew, then through the block at the base of the starboard forward
> shroud
> > and
> > > finally through the starboard inboard eye and jam cleat to the the 
> > > left
> > of
> > > the jib furling line. This allows the single line to act as 
> > > outhaul, traveler and sheet and leads all lines to the cockpit. 
> > > Sail shape can
> be
> > set
> > > easily by adjusting the furling line and the self tending line.
> > >
> > > Switching between use of the normal sheets and the self tending 
> > > sheet
> is
> > > quick and easy. The boat sails under perfect balance on either 
> > > rigging because of the smaller jib. I was able to let the rudder 
> > > loose and keep
> > the
> > > boat on course by just adjusting the main sheet under both rigging 
> > > conditions. Down wind runs were easy and reaches were even better 
> > > than normal since the jib sail could be pulled closer to the center
line.
> > Speeds
> > > above 5 knots were easily reached and maintained. I doubt, I will 
> > > be
> > going
> > > back to the 175% under any conditions.
> > >
> > > I have no intent to post pictures on the list. If anyone would 
> > > like me
> to
> > > take some and send them, please email me directly. I will be happy 
> > > to
> > supply
> > > the sail dimensions and pictures of the rig.
> > >
> > > One other note. I removed the winch.  I considered it dangerous 
> > > since
> it
> > had
> > > no automatic kill switch at its top limit and could pull its self 
> > > out
> of
> > the
> > > transom if something happened to the remote. It was a 3,000 winch. 
> > > In
> its
> > > place, I set up 4 double blocks to serve as a hoist. Two were 
> > > attached
> to
> > > the upper winch strap bar and two to the lower. I installed a jam 
> > > cleat
> > on
> > > the platform over the strap slot in the transom to secure the 
> > > line. It
> > works
> > > great and allows me to lift and lower the engine ( 6 HP 4 Stroke
> Tohatsu)
> > > with one hand. I used the now vacant strap slot to route the wires 
> > > for
> my
> > > Humminbird 858 DI Combo system.
> > >
> > > Take care and good sailing........
> > >
> > > Jay
> > > Port Angeles, WA
> > >
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