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1. Re: adding ballast (Graham Stewart)
2. Re: Gotta Move South - Suggestions? (Lynn Hoffman)
3. Re: Gotta Move South - Suggestions? (Geoff Farrell)
4. Re: Standing rigging thickness (Graham Stewart)
5. Re: Standing rigging thickness (John Shulick)
6. Re: Gotta Move South - Suggestions? (Stan Spitzer)
7. Re: Gotta Move South - Suggestions? (Theodore Boender)
8. Re: Standing rigging thickness (Mary Lou Troy)
9. Re: Gotta Move South - Suggestions? (Mary Lou Troy)
10. Re: Standing rigging thickness (Graham Stewart)
11. Re: Gotta Move South - Suggestions? (Rick)
12. Re: Gotta Move South - Suggestions? (butterchurn)
13. Re: Gotta Move South - Suggestions? (butterchurn)
14. Re: Gotta Move South - Suggestions? (butterchurn)
15. Re: Standing rigging thickness (mtroy at atlanticbb.net)
16. Re: Gotta Move South - Suggestions? (Stan Spitzer)
17. Re: Gotta Move South - Suggestions? (dancsnyder at comcast.net)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 12:14:07 -0500
From: "Graham Stewart" <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] adding ballast
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I have noticed that several of you have indicated that you have already or
intend to add ballast. I am wondering how much, what type, where and how
such additional ballast is installed.
I think I had some lead flakes that were installed in the centreboard
housing fall out through large cracks that formed in the sole of the
housing. I will be fixing the cracks this spring but I would also like to
replace or add some ballast as well. I don't see a feasible way to add
significant ballast to the core of the centreboard housing but thought I
might bond something to the bilge. I already have what I think are steel
bars bonded to the hull immediately in front of the mast post and thought
that the logical place to add ballast would be immediately beside those
bars. Does anyone have any experience or wisdom on this matter that they
might share?
Thanks,
Graham
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Gentlemen,
When I tighten the turnbuckles on my boat I hold the top of the turnbuckle
with a pair of pliers to keep the wire from twisting and then tighten by
hand. Rick I can get the main side stays up to 300lbs. but my hands are
about at their limit to do that. I prefer 10% of tension over 15% and I rake
my mast back about 1* or so to improve the amount of weather helm. I have
also experimented with using the baby stays to give the mast a slight bend
to change mainsail shape. James a heaver wire doesn't mean the tension must
be increased 200 lbs of force is plenty what the heaver wire dose is to
provide more resistance to shock loads from gusts and extreme conditions. My
boat came with the cabin a little bent on the port side which is where there
is no support in the stock design. I have improved over this by splitting
the bulkhead in two.
I have a port and starboard shoulder and have a leaf spring which acts as a
compression arch (see pict).
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/n47493/DSCF0298.jpg>
This has corrected my cabin deformation issues to a large degree. I'm
redoing this setup this year since wood ants got into it 2 yrs ago and ate
the bulkhead. I will be moving it forward 2" to put the arch directly under
the mast for better support. I'm also removing about half of the original
concrete ballast and will be replacing it with lead ingots epoxied to the
hull and glassed over. That should keep me busy till all this damn snow
melts.
Pictures when the projects complete
Best to all
John S
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 12:13:40 -0500
From: Lynn Hoffman <drfood55 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gotta Move South - Suggestions?
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stan,
the albemarle sounds great. i've been on it and it's everything you say it
is. now if you could just work it out so that you tie up the boat, step off
and find yourself in the italian market in south philly, i'd move there in
a second. . . .
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On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Stan Spitzer <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
> great pictures Rummy,
>
> While we can't stand NC's endless attempts to rewrite democracy in their
> own image, we can point out that Albemarle Sound (the second largest
> estuary in the US) has no tide (water level is amazingly constant year
> round), is brackish so rarely have to bottom paint, connects to the
> Ocean so can sail to anywhere in the world without lowering the mast,
> never have to take the boat out of the water, sail in January (if the
> wind is from the South) yet has less snow than Atlanta, GA. plus can
> sail to the best Rhodes repairs facility.
>
> ss
>
>
> On 2/15/14, 7:38 AM, R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
> > I'm on Lake Hartwell, but I'm sorry to say I can't recommend it. I love
> the
> > area, but the Army Corps of Engineers controls the water on this lake
> and
> > the commander is changed out every couple of years. The problem comes
> from
> > their following "the book" to generate power and control the water level
> > and unfortunately, homeowners and recreational concerns are not
> considered
> > before they let all the water out of the lake during drought
> conditions. All
> > they want to do is to do their time, follow the regulations, get
> promoted
> > and move on. The first year we purchased our new house (2008) and new
> dock
> > the lake dropped 23 feet. It was disastrous for homeowners and marina
> > owners. Our dock was sitting on the hard and the lake unusable. Last
> summer with
> > all the rains we had we had just the opposite problem. They allowed the
> > lake to get overfull to the point that it was close to going over the
> top of
> > the dam. Our walkway to the dock was under water. It's just frustrating.
> > It's a beautiful lake and we like the area, but the huge swings in water
> > levels has us thinking about looking for a body of water without these
> problems.
> > The attached photo shows my wife standing at the top of our steps which
> is
> > three feet above the full pool mark of 660 feet above sea level. The
> > second photo was taken as Big Water Marina was using an old road bed to
> crane
> > boats out of the water. The road is normally ten feet under water.
> >
> > Rummy
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 2/14/2014 11:18:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > boendert at me.com writes:
> >
> > Ron, I am with you brother. I'm done with this snow BS.
> >
> > We are headed to Florida on the Saint Johns River around the
> Jacksonville
> > area. No state income tax and plenty of warm sunshine with a few cold
> > fronts to let you know there was a change in season.
> >
> > I know a few of the guys on list call Lake Hartwell home and love it.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Ted
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Feb 14, 2014, at 10:34 PM, butterchurn <amazingmisterx at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> After this winter, my wife and i want to move further south. We want
> to
> > live
> >> close to good sailing, of course. We are a little nervous about
> putting
> > our
> >> ozone in salt water, we don't want her or the outborad getting eaten
> up,
> > or
> >> the trailer.
> >>
> >> We have thought Kentucky Lake, Guntersville Lake in AL, Lake Ouachita
> in
> > AR.
> >> Any other suggestions?
> >>
> >> We have time to look and perhaps take Ozone to these lakes to sail her
> >> there before we move.
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 11:18:28 -0600
From: Geoff Farrell <geoffreylfarrell at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gotta Move South - Suggestions?
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Rick: Where are you in PG? Have you been going there for a long time? Do
you like it? We've been considering it for some time now. Thanks, Geoff
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 12:28:16 -0500
From: "Graham Stewart" <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Standing rigging thickness
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My boat is a 76 and I have seen no indication of the original rigging
"stretching". I too use a fairly loose rig. I use the gauge mostly to
balance the tension. I also put a pin through the barrel of the turnbuckle
as otherwise I would not be able to tighten it sufficiently by hand.
Basically I want the top side stays to be sufficiently tight to keep the
mast perpendicular to the deck when heeling but still have the lee stays
hang without any tension. The lower stays are only adjusted to straighten
the mast once the long stays are adjusted.
If you think that your boat may have been deformed by excessive tension, I
wonder if the boat might relax again if left for some time with the mast
removed. I also wonder whether the mast has been left up all year long.
Being in a cold, make that freezing, climate my mast is down at least 6
months of the year so that might be part of the reason that there appears to
be no deformation.
Would think that adding too much tension can only spell trouble.
Graham
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Sent: February-15-14 6:56 AM
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Standing rigging thickness
Art,
RumRunner is an 88 model and still has the original standing rigging as well
as the original 175 Lee Sails Genny. My lee shrouds are always loose. I
never, ever use anything other than my hand strength to tighten the
turnbuckles. My stays have never stretched (to my knowledge).
Rummy
In a message dated 2/14/2014 4:35:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
cover-man at comcast.net writes:
John,
Mark makes a good point. The lee stays should be loose on a tack. I saw
one of our boats last fall with too-tight stays throughout and the cabin
roof and mast step were visible depressed as a consequence. I would advise
getting an opinion from another sailing skipper.
Rummy, you there in the Hartwell snow? You sail under the extreme winds -
do you experience stretch in your stays?
My caution relates more to the cabin roof and mast step than to the cost of
replacing and upgrading the stays.
Best to you,
Art
s/v MaryJane
Atlanta/St Pete
On Feb 13, 2014 9:45 PM, Mark Osterbrock <mark.osterbrock at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> John,
> Consider the possibility that it is your boat that has changed its
> shape with age and excessive tension and not your rigging that has
> stretched.
>
> John Shulick <jsbudda at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> The time has come to replace the 40+ yr old standing rigging on my
boat.
> Over the years the 1/8" wire has stretched enough to take up all the
slack
> in my turnbuckles. I keep my side stays at 180 lbs. of tension and
> about
100
> on the baby stays. At about 10* of heel the stays stretch so much the
lee
> side stays are dangling free. I'm considering upgrading to 5/32 wire
> to combat this. I will add additional ballast to compensate for
> additional weight aloft. Am I being over cautious ? As always
> comments are
welcome.
>
> Will this winter never end ? ? ?
> Death to the groundhog.
> John S
>
>
>
>
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 10:16:08 -0800 (PST)
From: John Shulick <jsbudda at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Standing rigging thickness
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My side stays have no play left in them at all. I ran out of turnbuckle
adjustment last yr and had only 180 lbs. of tension on the wire. There is no
indication of cracking or failure at any chain-plate location. I tightened
the side stay chain-plates this last season they looked fine. The original
stay probably came with the turnbuckle set half way in (I believe that is
the standard unless you order them special) so my stays must have stretched
at least 1 " over a 43 yr period. With the boom up one reef in 150 Genoa
50% reefed in 12 kn winds heeled 12-15* the lee side stays are not loose,
they are dangling in the breeze. 5 yrs of sailing in and I'm comfortable
handling the boat in that set up but these stays just bug me. A small cost
and weight penalty vs a 50% increase in load capacity, piece of mind, and
knowing how hard Rummy has pushed the original. I'll capsize the boat before
the rigging fails. Perhaps a compromise do the fore-stay and side stays in
5/32 and the baby and back-stays in 1/8.
PS; Graham you are correct to much tension is not good but to loose is not
good either. In keeping the mast up the rigging transfers wind energy to the
hull to drive the boat. It takes energy to stretch a wire, that's energy
that's not driving the boat.
best
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 14:05:47 -0500
From: Stan Spitzer <stan at rhodes22.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gotta Move South - Suggestions?
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Having grown up in Sheepshead Bay I appreciate your neighborhood
specifications. I will work on it. But for now will take advantage of
your sedge-way opportunity to mention that for my next number I am
working on (or at least have gone as far as domain names) a country wide
chain of /small town /"Yourorgainicgrocer.info" stores (alternative
reserved domain: orgaincfoodsmarkets.com) and have a commercial 5 acre
site (near airport and ship freight terminal and across street from a
Warren Buffet company) ready for first store and warehouse buildings and
truck deliveries. Any entrepreneur and or change of career sailors out
there ready to build this chain and sell it to Whole Foods Markets ?
ss
On 2/15/14, 12:13 PM, Lynn Hoffman wrote:
> stan,
>
> the albemarle sounds great. i've been on it and it's everything you say it
> is. now if you could just work it out so that you tie up the boat, step off
> and find yourself in the italian market in south philly, i'd move there in
> a second. . . .
>
> lynn
>
>
>
>
> [image: QR code]
>
> http://goo.gl/pYqg9.qr
> Hallelujah! The Short Course in Beer is out in a second, revised edition.
> To take a look, go to: *http://bit.ly/shortbeer <http://bit.ly/shortbeer>*
>
> Want more beer? shortcourseinbeer.blogspot.com
>
> Want more Lynn?http://amzn.to/11bDzJK
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Stan Spitzer<stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
>
>> great pictures Rummy,
>>
>> While we can't stand NC's endless attempts to rewrite democracy in their
>> own image, we can point out that Albemarle Sound (the second largest
>> estuary in the US) has no tide (water level is amazingly constant year
>> round), is brackish so rarely have to bottom paint, connects to the
>> Ocean so can sail to anywhere in the world without lowering the mast,
>> never have to take the boat out of the water, sail in January (if the
>> wind is from the South) yet has less snow than Atlanta, GA. plus can
>> sail to the best Rhodes repairs facility.
>>
>> ss
>>
>>
>> On 2/15/14, 7:38 AM,R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>>> I'm on Lake Hartwell, but I'm sorry to say I can't recommend it. I love
>> the
>>> area, but the Army Corps of Engineers controls the water on this lake
>> and
>>> the commander is changed out every couple of years. The problem comes
>> from
>>> their following "the book" to generate power and control the water level
>>> and unfortunately, homeowners and recreational concerns are not
>> considered
>>> before they let all the water out of the lake during drought
>> conditions. All
>>> they want to do is to do their time, follow the regulations, get
>> promoted
>>> and move on. The first year we purchased our new house (2008) and new
>> dock
>>> the lake dropped 23 feet. It was disastrous for homeowners and marina
>>> owners. Our dock was sitting on the hard and the lake unusable. Last
>> summer with
>>> all the rains we had we had just the opposite problem. They allowed the
>>> lake to get overfull to the point that it was close to going over the
>> top of
>>> the dam. Our walkway to the dock was under water. It's just frustrating.
>>> It's a beautiful lake and we like the area, but the huge swings in water
>>> levels has us thinking about looking for a body of water without these
>> problems.
>>> The attached photo shows my wife standing at the top of our steps which
>> is
>>> three feet above the full pool mark of 660 feet above sea level. The
>>> second photo was taken as Big Water Marina was using an old road bed to
>> crane
>>> boats out of the water. The road is normally ten feet under water.
>>>
>>> Rummy
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 2/14/2014 11:18:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>> boendert at me.com writes:
>>>
>>> Ron, I am with you brother. I'm done with this snow BS.
>>>
>>> We are headed to Florida on the Saint Johns River around the
>> Jacksonville
>>> area. No state income tax and plenty of warm sunshine with a few cold
>>> fronts to let you know there was a change in season.
>>>
>>> I know a few of the guys on list call Lake Hartwell home and love it.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ted
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Feb 14, 2014, at 10:34 PM, butterchurn<amazingmisterx at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> After this winter, my wife and i want to move further south. We want
>> to
>>> live
>>>> close to good sailing, of course. We are a little nervous about
>> putting
>>> our
>>>> ozone in salt water, we don't want her or the outborad getting eaten
>> up,
>>> or
>>>> the trailer.
>>>>
>>>> We have thought Kentucky Lake, Guntersville Lake in AL, Lake Ouachita
>> in
>>> AR.
>>>> Any other suggestions?
>>>>
>>>> We have time to look and perhaps take Ozone to these lakes to sail her
>>>> there before we move.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> View this message in context:
>> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Gotta-Move-South-Suggestions-tp47487.html
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 15:14:40 -0500
From: Theodore Boender <boendert at me.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gotta Move South - Suggestions?
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I'd second the Albemarle Sound. I sailed my boat there when I picked her up and it was really nice.
Can't beat the location near GBI!
Cheers
Ted
> On Feb 15, 2014, at 2:05 PM, Stan Spitzer <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
>
> Having grown up in Sheepshead Bay I appreciate your neighborhood
> specifications. I will work on it. But for now will take advantage of
> your sedge-way opportunity to mention that for my next number I am
> working on (or at least have gone as far as domain names) a country wide
> chain of /small town /"Yourorgainicgrocer.info" stores (alternative
> reserved domain: orgaincfoodsmarkets.com) and have a commercial 5 acre
> site (near airport and ship freight terminal and across street from a
> Warren Buffet company) ready for first store and warehouse buildings and
> truck deliveries. Any entrepreneur and or change of career sailors out
> there ready to build this chain and sell it to Whole Foods Markets ?
>
> ss
>
>
>> On 2/15/14, 12:13 PM, Lynn Hoffman wrote:
>> stan,
>>
>> the albemarle sounds great. i've been on it and it's everything you say it
>> is. now if you could just work it out so that you tie up the boat, step off
>> and find yourself in the italian market in south philly, i'd move there in
>> a second. . . .
>>
>> lynn
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: QR code]
>>
>> http://goo.gl/pYqg9.qr
>> Hallelujah! The Short Course in Beer is out in a second, revised edition.
>> To take a look, go to: *http://bit.ly/shortbeer <http://bit.ly/shortbeer>*
>>
>> Want more beer? shortcourseinbeer.blogspot.com
>>
>> Want more Lynn?http://amzn.to/11bDzJK
>>
>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Stan Spitzer<stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> great pictures Rummy,
>>>
>>> While we can't stand NC's endless attempts to rewrite democracy in their
>>> own image, we can point out that Albemarle Sound (the second largest
>>> estuary in the US) has no tide (water level is amazingly constant year
>>> round), is brackish so rarely have to bottom paint, connects to the
>>> Ocean so can sail to anywhere in the world without lowering the mast,
>>> never have to take the boat out of the water, sail in January (if the
>>> wind is from the South) yet has less snow than Atlanta, GA. plus can
>>> sail to the best Rhodes repairs facility.
>>>
>>> ss
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 2/15/14, 7:38 AM,R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>>>> I'm on Lake Hartwell, but I'm sorry to say I can't recommend it. I love
>>> the
>>>> area, but the Army Corps of Engineers controls the water on this lake
>>> and
>>>> the commander is changed out every couple of years. The problem comes
>>> from
>>>> their following "the book" to generate power and control the water level
>>>> and unfortunately, homeowners and recreational concerns are not
>>> considered
>>>> before they let all the water out of the lake during drought
>>> conditions. All
>>>> they want to do is to do their time, follow the regulations, get
>>> promoted
>>>> and move on. The first year we purchased our new house (2008) and new
>>> dock
>>>> the lake dropped 23 feet. It was disastrous for homeowners and marina
>>>> owners. Our dock was sitting on the hard and the lake unusable. Last
>>> summer with
>>>> all the rains we had we had just the opposite problem. They allowed the
>>>> lake to get overfull to the point that it was close to going over the
>>> top of
>>>> the dam. Our walkway to the dock was under water. It's just frustrating.
>>>> It's a beautiful lake and we like the area, but the huge swings in water
>>>> levels has us thinking about looking for a body of water without these
>>> problems.
>>>> The attached photo shows my wife standing at the top of our steps which
>>> is
>>>> three feet above the full pool mark of 660 feet above sea level. The
>>>> second photo was taken as Big Water Marina was using an old road bed to
>>> crane
>>>> boats out of the water. The road is normally ten feet under water.
>>>>
>>>> Rummy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 2/14/2014 11:18:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>> boendert at me.com writes:
>>>>
>>>> Ron, I am with you brother. I'm done with this snow BS.
>>>>
>>>> We are headed to Florida on the Saint Johns River around the
>>> Jacksonville
>>>> area. No state income tax and plenty of warm sunshine with a few cold
>>>> fronts to let you know there was a change in season.
>>>>
>>>> I know a few of the guys on list call Lake Hartwell home and love it.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Ted
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 14, 2014, at 10:34 PM, butterchurn<amazingmisterx at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> After this winter, my wife and i want to move further south. We want
>>> to
>>>> live
>>>>> close to good sailing, of course. We are a little nervous about
>>> putting
>>>> our
>>>>> ozone in salt water, we don't want her or the outborad getting eaten
>>> up,
>>>> or
>>>>> the trailer.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have thought Kentucky Lake, Guntersville Lake in AL, Lake Ouachita
>>> in
>>>> AR.
>>>>> Any other suggestions?
>>>>>
>>>>> We have time to look and perhaps take Ozone to these lakes to sail her
>>>>> there before we move.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 15:29:52 -0500
From: Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Standing rigging thickness
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If the original rigging lasted 40 years, I don't believe there is a
reason to change. I believe the standard recommendation is 15-20. We
got less than that out of ours - perhaps due to the boat being
trailered and the rigging being coiled and uncoiled a lot - and of
course with the recycled boat, the rigging was probably original to the boat.
Hand tight is all that it takes on a R22. We have a Loos gauge but
use it more out of curiosity than anything else.
If you have had problems with the cabin deforming or cmpression
posts, you may want to make sure those problems are
corrected/stabilized before you do new standing rigging as the
measurements could change.
Best,
Mary Lou
At 01:16 PM 2/15/2014, you wrote:
> My side stays have no play left in them at all. I ran out of turnbuckle
>adjustment last yr and had only 180 lbs. of tension on the wire. There is no
>indication of cracking or failure at any chain-plate location. I tightened
>the side stay chain-plates this last season they looked fine. The original
>stay probably came with the turnbuckle set half way in (I believe that is
>the standard unless you order them special) so my stays must have stretched
>at least 1 " over a 43 yr period. With the boom up one reef in 150 Genoa
>50% reefed in 12 kn winds heeled 12-15* the lee side stays are not loose,
>they are dangling in the breeze. 5 yrs of sailing in and I'm comfortable
>handling the boat in that set up but these stays just bug me. A small cost
>and weight penalty vs a 50% increase in load capacity, piece of mind, and
>knowing how hard Rummy has pushed the original. I'll capsize the boat before
>the rigging fails. Perhaps a compromise do the fore-stay and side stays in
>5/32 and the baby and back-stays in 1/8.
>
>PS; Graham you are correct to much tension is not good but to loose is not
>good either. In keeping the mast up the rigging transfers wind energy to the
>hull to drive the boat. It takes energy to stretch a wire, that's energy
>that's not driving the boat.
>
>best
>John S
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 15:38:59 -0500
From: Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gotta Move South - Suggestions?
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We love Florida in the winter. Punta Gorda and Port Charlotte on
Charlotte Harbor are particularly nice. We wouldn't like Florida summers.
Retiring meant we could go the snowbird route. We moved to Maryland
which is relatively mild (usually - not this winter) and sort of
in-between all the kids and grandkids and have taken the travel
trailer south for several years now. We leave sometime in January and
comeback sometime in March. We take the kayaks which gets us out on
the water in Florida, get back in time to have the boat ready for the spring.
Suits us pretty well.
Best,
Mary Lou
At 12:18 PM 2/15/2014, you wrote:
>Rick: Where are you in PG? Have you been going there for a long time? Do
>you like it? We've been considering it for some time now. Thanks, Geoff
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 17:09:34 -0500
From: "Graham Stewart" <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Standing rigging thickness
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John:
Based on your description your rig does not seem too tight to me. I would
not want the lee shrouds to be too loose. I let that happen on a previous
boat and I ended up losing a clevis pin at the chainplate from the shroud
shaking. I know another fellow who had a rig so loose that the upper shroud
shook loose from the spreader. Losing the spreader connection or a clevis
pin on the lee side in strong winds is definitely a sobering experience. I
like to have it without tension but not so loose it is shaking about.
I have no idea why the rig would get looser. I can't say mine has changed
appreciably since the boat was new in 76. I wonder if the problem might be
the type of wire used?
Graham
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[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of John Shulick
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My side stays have no play left in them at all. I ran out of turnbuckle
adjustment last yr and had only 180 lbs. of tension on the wire. There is no
indication of cracking or failure at any chain-plate location. I tightened
the side stay chain-plates this last season they looked fine. The original
stay probably came with the turnbuckle set half way in (I believe that is
the standard unless you order them special) so my stays must have stretched
at least 1 " over a 43 yr period. With the boom up one reef in 150 Genoa
50% reefed in 12 kn winds heeled 12-15* the lee side stays are not loose,
they are dangling in the breeze. 5 yrs of sailing in and I'm comfortable
handling the boat in that set up but these stays just bug me. A small cost
and weight penalty vs a 50% increase in load capacity, piece of mind, and
knowing how hard Rummy has pushed the original. I'll capsize the boat before
the rigging fails. Perhaps a compromise do the fore-stay and side stays in
5/32 and the baby and back-stays in 1/8.
PS; Graham you are correct to much tension is not good but to loose is not
good either. In keeping the mast up the rigging transfers wind energy to the
hull to drive the boat. It takes energy to stretch a wire, that's energy
that's not driving the boat.
best
John S
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 18:55:49 -0500
From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gotta Move South - Suggestions?
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Geoff,
We've been coming to PG almost every winter for the past 15 years. So
we've made friends with some of the locals and some old friends from
Cleveland retired here or have winter homes. Sailing is very prominent
here with a midday breeze almost guaranteed. There are lots of places to
dock or trailer and launch.
We're staying for the first time in Rotonda this year because we had to
make arrangements last minute. We've had 2 cougar sightings in our yard so
far and saw for the first time in FL a lynx by our pool. Normally we stay
in town where socializing is easier or Burnt Store Marina where we can hop
onto a boat easier.
Rick
On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Geoff Farrell
<geoffreylfarrell at gmail.com>wrote:
> Rick: Where are you in PG? Have you been going there for a long time? Do
> you like it? We've been considering it for some time now. Thanks, Geoff
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 17:01:15 -0800 (PST)
From: butterchurn <amazingmisterx at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gotta Move South - Suggestions?
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Thanks for the photos, Rummy! I appreciate the post. Thanks!
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 17:05:50 -0800 (PST)
From: butterchurn <amazingmisterx at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gotta Move South - Suggestions?
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Thanks, Stan! BTW, I really appreciate the fast service on my new mast step
and the ice box spigot. Your customer service is second to none!
My wife and i will need to come down to pay a visit to the area and check it
out!
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 17:08:48 -0800 (PST)
From: butterchurn <amazingmisterx at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gotta Move South - Suggestions?
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My goodness, Stan, that would be such a fun opportunity to build a business.
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 21:33:58 -0500
From: <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Standing rigging thickness
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Assuming that it standard rigging wire, I'd bet it's more
likely a depression of the cabin top or as in our case,the
sole under the compresion post or both.
Mary Lou
1991 R22 Fretless
Recycled 1998
RockHall, MD
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 17:09:34 -0500
"Graham Stewart" <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> John:
> Based on your description your rig does not seem too
>tight to me. I would
> not want the lee shrouds to be too loose. I let that
>happen on a previous
> boat and I ended up losing a clevis pin at the
>chainplate from the shroud
> shaking. I know another fellow who had a rig so loose
>that the upper shroud
> shook loose from the spreader. Losing the spreader
>connection or a clevis
> pin on the lee side in strong winds is definitely a
>sobering experience. I
> like to have it without tension but not so loose it is
>shaking about.
>
> I have no idea why the rig would get looser. I can't say
>mine has changed
> appreciably since the boat was new in 76. I wonder if
>the problem might be
> the type of wire used?
>
> Graham
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
>John Shulick
> Sent: February-15-14 1:16 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Standing rigging thickness
>
> My side stays have no play left in them at all. I ran
>out of turnbuckle
> adjustment last yr and had only 180 lbs. of tension on
>the wire. There is no
> indication of cracking or failure at any chain-plate
>location. I tightened
> the side stay chain-plates this last season they looked
>fine. The original
> stay probably came with the turnbuckle set half way in
>(I believe that is
> the standard unless you order them special) so my stays
>must have stretched
> at least 1 " over a 43 yr period. With the boom up one
>reef in 150 Genoa
> 50% reefed in 12 kn winds heeled 12-15* the lee side
>stays are not loose,
> they are dangling in the breeze. 5 yrs of sailing in and
>I'm comfortable
> handling the boat in that set up but these stays just
>bug me. A small cost
> and weight penalty vs a 50% increase in load capacity,
>piece of mind, and
> knowing how hard Rummy has pushed the original. I'll
>capsize the boat before
> the rigging fails. Perhaps a compromise do the fore-stay
>and side stays in
> 5/32 and the baby and back-stays in 1/8.
>
> PS; Graham you are correct to much tension is not good
>but to loose is not
> good either. In keeping the mast up the rigging
>transfers wind energy to the
> hull to drive the boat. It takes energy to stretch a
>wire, that's energy
> that's not driving the boat.
>
> best
> John S
>
>
>
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 08:26:38 -0500
From: Stan Spitzer <stan at rhodes22.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gotta Move South - Suggestions?
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always has been - blasting rock, designing, building and selling the
community of Tarrytown Contemporaries for my fellow Mad Men of Madison
Avenue was great fun. just wish I was 44 instead of 88.
ss
On 2/15/14, 8:08 PM, butterchurn wrote:
> My goodness, Stan, that would be such a fun opportunity to build a business.
>
>
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 09:19:41 -0500
From: "dancsnyder at comcast.net" <dancsnyder at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gotta Move South - Suggestions?
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88 and going strong Stan. You're far from done
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On Feb 16, 2014, at 8:26 AM, Stan Spitzer <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
>
> always has been - blasting rock, designing, building and selling the
> community of Tarrytown Contemporaries for my fellow Mad Men of Madison
> Avenue was great fun. just wish I was 44 instead of 88.
>
> ss
>
>
> On 2/15/14, 8:08 PM, butterchurn wrote:
>> My goodness, Stan, that would be such a fun opportunity to build a business.
>>
>>
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