[Rhodes22-list] My new toy.... Talk me into saving it

Fri Oct 31 12:19:49 EDT 2014

Just a detail, for what it is worth, I would not use penetrating epoxy with punky wood for anything more than perhaps a very small area. The penetrating epoxy might restrict the spread of the rot, but even that seems unlikely to me and I can't believes it would be of any use for a whole foredeck. I only suggest ejection - using regular epoxy - where the core has delaminated but is still dry and solid. Penetrating epoxy is just epoxy with thinners that evaporate. Why adding thinners doubles the price seems ridiculous to me. 

If others have a more optimistic view of penetrating epoxy, I would like to hear what their experience has been.

Graham 

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Thats why this one was so hard Ray. I have a perfectly good Newport 214 that I saved from the junk heap last year that I can sail. When I saw this Rhodes, I knew it was going to be some work, and I told myself that I could probably get the money out of scrap if I wanted to.The big factor here is money. Unless corn prices go up 500% in the next couple of weeks, I can't see pumping the money into the penetrating epoxy to fix the deck( it would probably double the price I paid for the boat).
On the other hand, I really hate to see another boat that I loved when I was a kid headed to the scrap heap...and I'm the reason.... The practical side of me says to scrap itThe kid in me who thought he would live on a boat this size says to save it...

Brad Bachelor

Marrying an old bachelor is like buying second-hand furniture. -- Helen Rowland 1875-1950, American Journalist
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Brad,

When you lay your head down tonight, seek to answer these questions.

1 - Did I buy this boat because I really like to work on boats and have a project to keep me busy?

2 - Did I buy a sailboat because I really want to enjoy sailing?

New or Old, over the lifetime of a boat she will cost you about 10% per year of the original New cost. Less up front and more in the end. Boats are not cheap to own. That is why they are called a hole in the water into which you throw money.

If you plan to fix up this boat, you may spend as much in the end as it would cost you to purchase a sail ready Rhoades 22. 

Ray 

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Brad,
  My sister in law gave me a Rhodes 22 , 1987 based in Seattle, five years ago.  It was in bad shape but not as bad as yours.  I trailered down here to Phoenix and have been working on it since then.  I was not retired at the time, so I did not do that much.  The Pop Top was totally gone and I ordered one from Stan at General Boats.  We removed all deck hardware, repaired, replaced and had a few items re-chromed. Some of the cleats would not longer hold, so we removed and replaced.  We sanded, and painted the boat.  Reinstalled the hardware.  The galley had been totally removed and I had no idea what exactly I need to do.  I started to look at the galley and found the flooring had black mold and rut.  I removed all the flooring and reinstalled stringers and replace all the floor.  I installed fiberglass in some areas that need it, lots did.  I put exact foam under the deck and it firmed up the deck.  I installed the foam from the back, not an easy job.  I am now re-wiring, I moved the control panel from the step way to above the galley countertop.  I am now redoing the countertop, I had a lot of help from the pictures I found on the net and also pictures sent to me by fellow Rhodes 22 owners. Stan, at General Boats, is also very helpful. 

The ballast was not damaged.  I would say that it is time consuming, costly, and area restrictive. If you have the time, and some extra money you should be able to do the job.  Take your time, ask questions and enjoy it. Make it a hobby not a job.  It you have extra hands around, that sometimes helps but in some cases more hands is not helpful.  Your Tube is very helpful.  There are great videos out there.

But as has been stated already.  Most of these jobs have been done by Rhodes 22 owners.  So there is a lot of advice.  I found that looking at pictures of repairs is most helpful.

Take it nice and easy,
Chuy

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> Thanks all for your replies... Todd... If I took another boat hull, I do believe my wife would be standing there with her hands on her hips instead of yours.... :) ..... but thanks anyway....
I'm open to all ideas here on the boat. I have a farm and equipment, so heavy lifting and long term storage should not be a problem. I'm still not sure if I'm going to fix her yet, but here are my main problems I need to tackle.
1. Deck soft and caved in. (thanks for your suggestions so far). 2. Keel area where the concrete is broken up (the good news here is there STILL is standing water in the floor area.
3. Floor repair- not a big deal, unless I want to go teak and holly like one of y'all did!! (which was flat out beautiful by the way) 4. Repairing every fitting... everything seems loose or has a lot of give... I figure they all need backing plates....
I'm up here in Northern Michigan with a long winter ahead of me and have a lot more tools than brains.... this might be fun!! (...I know.... I know...... famous last words.......) Brad Brad Bachelor

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Brad,  sounds like your deck is as soft as mine was.  Instead of drilling holes in from the top on mine i cut out the underside of the deck and i am going back with oak and Maine ply. It has been a lot of work,  and my job has kept me away from it for several months,  but of the methods i read about this is the one that i felt would give me the strongest and best looking deck within my skill set. 

James

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