[Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Scuppers
The Rhodes 22 Email List
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Thu Aug 13 14:10:20 EDT 2015
Rick,
Agreed. I didn't say she was.
Cheers,
Ted
S/V AIRPOWER
1991/2013 R22
Jacksonville, FL
> On Aug 13, 2015, at 1:46 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> Ted,
>
> The R22 is not rated for off-shore sailing. Neither the bridge deck nor
> the scuppers are designed to handle water from waves breaking over the
> gunwales.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rick
>
> On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 12:00 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
>> Looks similar to the stock drains on my recycled boat.
>>
>> The original question posted by an anonymous person was "Has anyone added
>> large stern scuppers to help rid the cockpit of water in rough conditions?"
>>
>> Maybe they meant "larger" than the current design?
>>
>> Has anyone been in a situation where they felt the current design wasn't
>> adequate?
>>
>> I guess it depends on how rough we are talking about here.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ted
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>> On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:21 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Graham,
>>> Perhaps I'm missing something here. It doesn't appear that you have
>> added a
>>> scupper, you simply replaced the existing GB drainage system with
>>> different fittings. One on the cockpit floor and the other the seat.
>>>
>>> Rummy
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 8/13/2015 9:11:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org writes:
>>>
>>> Larry:
>>> Here are the pictures of the deck and cockpit scuppers.
>>> Underside photo shows where I ground down the surface to something
>>> reasonably flat and then used the plywood donut that I sanded to a wedge
>>> shape to give a lower surface that was parallel to the upper surface.
>>> Otherwise the scupper goes in at an angle.
>>>
>>>
>>> Graham Stewart
>>> Agile. R22, 1976
>>> Kingston Ontario Canada
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22
>>> Email
>>> List
>>> Sent: August 12, 2015 6:32 PM
>>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Scuppers
>>>
>>> Graham,
>>>
>>> It would be great to see photos of this
>>>
>>> Larry Allen
>>> Makai
>>> Sarasota
>>> larrywallen at verizon.net
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22
>>> Email
>>> List
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:45 PM
>>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Scuppers
>>>
>>> I changed the subject of this line to reflect the contents relating to
>>> cockpit scubbers.
>>>
>>> Yes, in fact I just finished installing cockpit scuppers about 20
>> minutes
>>> ago - having started 3 years ago. In my boat (79) the cockpit drains
>> above
>>> the lazarette originally had 3/4" mushroom thru-hulls. These small
>>> thru-hulls were constantly being clogged and seemed inadequate to me
>> when
>>> the cockpit needed to drain quickly.
>>>
>>> The area around where they were placed was depressed - presumably so the
>>> water would funnel into the drain. The depression was defeated by the
>>> mushroom cap and so water always pooled around the thru-hull and stained
>>> the
>>> gel coat. The same was true for the cockpit drain where the mushroom cap
>>> prevented the all the water from draining out.
>>>
>>> Years ago I simply removed the 3/4" " thru-hulls and replaced them with
>> 1
>>> 1/2" ones in the deck and transom. That let the water flow with much
>> less
>>> clogging but I still got the pool around the thru-hull.
>>>
>>> I have since installed flush mounted scuppers in both the deck and in
>> the
>>> cockpit drain. For the deck drains, I filled the depression with epoxy
>> with
>>> fairing powder and then sanded it flush with the surrounding area. I
>> then
>>> painted the entire deck of the boat but you could patch the area with
>> gel
>>> coat. I was planning to paint the deck anyway.
>>>
>>> I used a Dremel with a sanding drum to create the hole with bevel sides
>> and
>>> then made a donut of plywood that I attached under the hole with
>> thickened
>>> epoxy for strength and depth. The ones under the deck has to be tapered
>> to
>>> fit as the bottom side of the deck is not horizontal to the deck.
>>>
>>> I now have flush-mounted scuppers that should eliminate the problem of
>>> water
>>> stains. This was not a particularly difficult job but it took longer
>> than
>>> you might expect as it is fussy.
>>>
>>> I can send photos if you want them
>>>
>>> Graham Stewart
>>> Agile. R22, 1976
>>> Kingston Ontario Canada
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22
>>> Email
>>> List
>>> Sent: August 12, 2015 2:10 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris' Bahamian Adventure
>>>
>>> The rhodes has a very large cockpit...above waterline. Has anyone added
>>> large stern scuppers to help rid the cockpit of water in rough
>> conditions?
>>>
>>>>> On Aug 12, 2015, at 10:48 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Helen,
>>>>
>>>> If you have not already, check out the archives for Bill's last
>>>> Bahamas
>>> Adventure in his R22.
>>>>
>>>> He went with his son and a friend and had a blast. He chronicled his
>>> journey in detail and is a great storyteller.
>>>>
>>>> Now, I just need to find someone crazy enough to crew with me. My
>>>> admiral is not comfortable in open water :(
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Ted
>>>>
>>>> S/V AIRPOWER
>>>> 1991/2013 Jacksonville, FL
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 12, 2015, at 10:07 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> We have made the trip to the Bahama's many times...but never in a
>>>>> Rhodes22...:) I think that is the perfect Bahama's boat. We went
>>>>> over every other year for almost 10 years while living aboard our
>>>>> cruising boat..My husband and I have both commented while
>>>>> refurbishing out Rhodes22...how nice it would be to take her
>>>>> over..health and age will prevent us...but we sure admire you all
>>>>> getting together to make that trip..We normally checked in at Bimini
>>>>> and did the normal route ..... Chub...Nassau... down to Georgetown
>>>>> stopping at all the out islands along the Exumas..across to Long and
>>>>> then up to Cat and through the upper Bahamas and home to Port
>>> Canaveral...We enjoyed every trip...Hopefully you will send reports as
>> you
>>> go...:):)
>>>>> ENJOY!!!!!!!!! Helen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In a message dated 8/12/2015 9:53:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org writes:
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris,
>>>>> Are you talking about the Sapona? It is located near Alicetown,
>>> Bimini.
>>>
>>>>> It is an old concrete ship (constructed out of concrete, that is)
>>>>> that was used as target practice during WWII and was the target for
>>>>> the practice run of the "Lost Patrol" of Bermuda Triangle fame. It
>>>>> was also used as a staging area for running alcohol during
>>>>> prohibition. And a great place to snorkel and scuba dive. Or...are
>>>>> you talking about an even older wreck...maybe some treasure hunting?
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to make another run over there and may join if schedule
>>>>> permits. Between you, Ted, me, and anyone else, we would have a nice
>>>>> little flotilla ... and maybe create some marketing buzz to
>>>>> re-kickstart Stan's boatbuilding business.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill W.
>>>>> s/v Fina Lee
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes
>>>>> 22 Email List
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 1:48 AM
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris' Bahamian Adventure
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey Ted,
>>>>> I'm open and flexible as far as a launch point. Key Largo sounds
>> good.
>>>
>>>>> Bimini is the easiest to check into and I want to check out a wreck
>>>>> that is in the area. Very, very old. and not mentioned by anyone
>>>>> I've
>>> talked to.
>>>>> We would stay in the Bahamas for 4-6 weeks I should think. I would
>>>>> be thrilled to have another Rhodes or two to tag along.
>>>>> Timewise I think it would be in April. I would like to get back to
>>>>> Fl by no later than mid May so I can ship the boat to Italy by early
>>>>> June. Lets keep in touch, maybe recruit a few fellow Rhodies? I'll
>>> send some links on
>>>>> what the Enosis is up to in a couple of weeks or so. Things never
>>> quite
>>>
>>>>> go as you plan.
>>>>> Chris G.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 10:06 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope all is well. I am very interested in hearing more about the
>>>>>> Bahamian plans.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After reading about Bill W's infamous Bahamian Adventure and your
>>>>>> upcoming plans, I may be interested (and crazy enough) in the
>>>>>> possibilities of tagging along with S/V Airpower. I've made the Gulf
>>>>>> Stream crossing many times as a kid growing up in south Florida, but
>>>>>> that was in powerful multi engine fishing boats.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where do you plan to launch? I assume somewhere around Key Largo.
>>>>>> You may want to consider this trailer sailor friendly marina.
>>>>>> http://southdademarina.com/.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will you clear immigration in Bimini? Where will you head from
>> there?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When do you think you might head south? You mentioned in the
>>>>>> spring, but do you have a target month? March? April?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Ted (have EPIRB, will travel)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> S/v Airpower
>>>>>> Jacksonville, FL
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Apr 1, 2015, at 11:34 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
>>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I shall keep all of you guys in mind and let you know about the
>>>>>> "disposable
>>>>>>> equipment". An you guys know me, I can't help but journal about
>>>>>>> Enosis
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> Rhodes in general. Also anyone and any time is more than welcome
>>>>>>> to come along in their boat for any segment of the grand adventure,
>>>>>>> it would be
>>>>>> fun.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris & Alice
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 7:25 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
>>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chris, Bon voyage in the Med! Please keep a narrative and photo
>>>>>> journal
>>>>>>>> of your wanderings- all of us on the list will be a rapt
>> audience.
>>>>>>>> Please also keep me in mind for the trailer and the truck as
>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>> Richard Arking, R22 in Sheepshead Bay, Brooklyn, ny
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:37 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
>>>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh,
>>>>>>>>> If anyone is interested, I will be placing "Enosis" on a
>>>>>>>>> roll-on-Roll-off freighter bound for Italy next spring. I will
>>>>>> transfer
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> to a cheap throw away trailer. I currently am using a really
>>>>>>>>> nice
>>>>>>>>> 2003 Triad trailer designed for the Rhodes. It has electric
>>>>>>>>> breaks and
>>>>>> brand
>>>>>>>>> new 9 ply trailer tires. I'll probably put less than 12,000
>>>>>>>>> miles on
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> tires when I am ready to sell. So, if you are thinking about a
>>>>>>>>> trailer
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> great shape and well cared for, for next season, let me know. I
>>>>>>>>> was thinking about selling the tow vehicle which is a 2003 F-250
>>>>>>>>> diesel
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> only 101K. The truck was garage kept its whole life. Well up
>>>>>>>>> until
>>>>>> now,
>>>>>>>>> and I will store it under a cover most of the time. So as I get
>>>>>>>>> near sending Enosis on its Mediterranian tour, I'll let you guys
>>>>>>>>> know about
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> truck.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 10:33 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
>>>>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Oh, and I forgot to mention that I may join you for part of
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> Bahamas
>>>>>>>>>> trip. With so many Rhodes in the East Coast area maybe we can
>>>>>>>>>> get a
>>>>>>>>> small
>>>>>>>>>> group together. Please keep us posted on your plans.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bill Wickman
>>>>>>>>>> s/v Fina Lee
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
>>>>>>>>>> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22
>>>>>>>>>> Email
>>>>>>>>> List
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 11:23 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22 & Sailing Desolation Sound
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I for one am REALLY looking forward to reading about the
>>>>>>>>>> adventures of Enosis. Chris weaves a really good yarn of his
>>>>>>>>>> trips with the perfect
>>>>>>>>> mix
>>>>>>>>>> of pictures and descriptions that paints a vivid picture of
>>>>>>>>>> what it is
>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>> to "be there".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bill Wickman
>>>>>>>>>> s/v Fina Lee
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
>>>>>>>>>> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22
>>>>>>>>>> Email
>>>>>>>>> List
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 1:56 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22 & Sailing Desolation
>>>>>>>>>> Sound
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Glad you enjoyed the tale Patrick. My wife and I plan on an
>>>>>>>>>> encore of
>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>> the best sailing adventures we've had in the last 20 years, and
>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>> some.
>>>>>>>>>> So 2 months in Desolation sound is on the calendar this summer.
>>>>>>>>>> Then
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> repeat of the Mexican adventure but for 5 months this comming
>>>>> winter.
>>>>>>>>> Then
>>>>>>>>>> a repeat of the Bahama adventures in the following spring but
>>>>>>>>>> only for
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> month or so. Then stick the boat on a freighter and over to
>>>>>>>>>> Italy
>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>> summer. I'll try to post the adventures and anyone interesting
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> meeting
>>>>>>>>>> us along the way on their boat, we would welcome some Rhodie
>>>>> company.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chris & Alice
>>>>>>>>>> Enosis
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 7:36 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
>>>>>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I was wandering by www.rhodes22.com recently and came across
>>>>>>>>>>> the odyssey of Enosis on the front page. Downloadable .pdf
>>>>>>>>>>> files of Chris' adventures.
>>>>>>>>>>> Some of you may enjoy the read as I did.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> For some reason with the first file I had to right-click on it
>>>>>>>>>>> and open in a new window (windows exploder and chrome) but the
>>>>>>>>>>> rest
>>>>>>>> opened
>>>>>>>>>>> with just a click.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -Patrick
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