[Rhodes22-list] Soul of the sole

Fri Jan 16 12:40:07 EST 2015

Rick:

Are not the stringers glassed to the hull already? Certainly mine were so I
have assumed that was the original construction. If not, I would like to
know how they were installed.

You are right about sealing all holes with epoxy.

Graham 

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Sent: January-15-15 8:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Soul of the sole

Graham,

I don't think any quality boat builder has ever bonded a fiberglass hull to
stringers with epoxy.  Stringers are rigid, fiberglass hulls are flexible.
Since epoxy cannot absorb flex, the hull would be prone to crack along the
edges of the stringers bonded with epoxy.

Another caveat on epoxy is using it to coat wood.  Anything that keeps water
out, keeps water in.  If you coat stringers with epoxy, you will need to
follow the same sealing protocol when drilling holes into epoxied stringers
as you do with the wood cored deck.  It would be more convenient to coat
your new stringers with a bilge primer/sealer.

Rick

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 1:39 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Bob:
> I think any of your alternatives might work but when I install mine 
> next summer I intend to use epoxy with fibreglass tape for these reasons:
> 1, I have done a lot of work with epoxy and am comfortable using it 
> and I have it along with the fillers on hand, 2, wood adequately 
> encapsulated in epoxy (3+ coats) should be impervious to rot 
> permitting the use of less expensive wood, 3, bonded to the hull the 
> stringers would add very significantly to the rigidity of the hull, 
> and 4, the stringers will not flex and therefore will not come loose.
>
> I don't know how important point three is but given that the original 
> stringers were boned to the hull with cloth and polyester resin, I 
> would feel safer doing the same. Polyester is the other choice. It is 
> much cheaper than epoxy but not a strong and not impervious to water 
> vapour.
>
> Graham
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Soul of the sole
>
> Ok let me stir the pot again.  Should i bed my new stringers in 5200 
> or epoxy them in or fiberglass tape and resin??
> Thoughts anyone?
> Bob
>
> > On Jan 15, 2015, at 12:07 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > 5200 is also permanent! Don't use it if you think you might ever 
> > want or need to remove it.
> >
> > Graham
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 
> > 22 Email List
> > Sent: January-15-15 10:04 AM
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> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Soul of the sole
> >
> > Bob,
> >
> > 3M 5200 is an adhesive, not a sealant.  A silicone sealant will give 
> > you better results.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 9:55 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List < 
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Graham: Yes that is what i meant.  These boats have a notoriously 
> >> leaky hull to deck joint.  Stan explained it was due to the workers 
> >> ineptitude he had applying the joint caulk during those years.  
> >> They probably caulked the seam after the hull and deck were 
> >> fastened instead of caulking both sides then putting the sandwich 
> >> together and just
> > wiping away the excess.
> >> I am going to remove the rail, clean out as much old caulk as i can 
> >> and then seal it with 3m 5200 and re-attach the rub rail. It 
> >> shouldnt leak any more.  I did this once before on an 80's era boat 
> >> and it worked
> > great.
> >> Shortcuts were happening in every industry back then.
> >>
> >>>> On Jan 15, 2015, at 9:43 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
> >>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I doubt that it is the rub rail that is leaking. If it is leaking 
> >>> through the screw holes you might get away with just removing the 
> >>> screws one at a time and reinserting with sealant. It is more 
> >>> likely that the leak is
> >> behind
> >>> the rub rail where the deck and hull join.
> >>>
> >>> Graham
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The 
> >>> Rhodes
> >>> 22
> >> Email
> >>> List
> >>> Sent: January-15-15 6:56 AM
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> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Soul of the sole
> >>>
> >>> Thanks Rummy.
> >>> Yes i already have the bleach and scrub brush out there.  I am 
> >>> going to
> >> do
> >>> the rub rail first though.  Very leaky boat!
> >>> Bob
> >>>
> >>>>> On Jan 15, 2015, at 5:06 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm sure you are aware of this,but the photo shows a great deal 
> >>>> of
> > mold.
> >>>> You might want to clean the area really good with a soapy bleach 
> >>>> solution prior  to installing the new stringers.
> >>>>
> >>>> Rummy
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> In a message dated 1/14/2015 9:29:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> >>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org writes:
> >>>>
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