[Rhodes22-list] Wanna Be with questions
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Fri Mar 27 19:36:09 EDT 2015
Fred:
It is nice to know that I am not the only one out there restoring an older Rhodes. Thanks for the update.
Graham
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Graham,
Thank you for showing me I am not the only one with restoration problems.
Mine did go quickly but my restoration was not to the magnitude of yours, although I did waste a lot of time as I created, removed and recreated the wheel on numerous occasions.
In my case my hull and bottom paint were good. Not much seagrowth sitting in 100 degree sunshine and barns well over 10 years. The topside is a work in progress and at some point I will be happy with the gel coat and fiberglass repairs I am doing and remove all the hardware again and paint it. The deck to hull joint was ok. It just needed recaulking and the rub rail installed. I have done a few self engineered redneck modifications to make a easier single handed sailor out of her but have had some luck as well. In a 1974 I have a old style keel and I was actually able to figure out a way to repair the sheaves and rereave the control line through a 2 x 3 inch opening in the top and redo the swing pin from the trailer. I discovered I had minor rot under the mast plate when I dropped the mast across my neighbors grapefruit tree as the mast plate screws pulled out when I tried to take the mast down for the first time by myself. I opened up the top in a small area, repaired the rot and fiberglassed in a new increased thickness doubler plate, without much forthought I might add. I was very proud of my work but discovered my error in not compensating for the increase 3\4 " height of the mast mounting plate and adjusting the stays when I could not stand the mast up the first time at the lake. I can honestly say it is a touchy situation when you are by yourself and are stuck with a mast about 80 degrees in the air that you can not raise or lower. Fortunately when it fell that time I caught in on the way down. As I said before it is not beautiful but I concentrated on safety, comfort, sailing ability, single handed methods and reliability.
It suits my needs well, so far.
Fred Haag
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Date:03/27/2015 11:25 AM (GMT-07:00)
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wanna Be with questions
Bob:
There are a number of reasons why the restoration is taking so long including, but not limited to, the following:
- for every hour I spend working on the boat directly I spend ten hours researching aspects of the restoration. I have had to learn how to do everything from scratch it seems.
- Because everything is pretty much new to me, I have to learn by making mistakes and then do it all over again - repeatedly.
- Fairing never ends - you just eventually have to give up and I was reluctant to do that. My wife has another word for that reluctance.
- The restoration included some big stuff like replacing deck core, repairing a keel that had split open, full deck and cockpit paint job, total gut including the floor and substructure, hull-deck joint glass-over repair, remove and replace chainplates and all deck hardware, fill the space between the coach sides and liner with plywood and epoxy and so on. Some of this turned out to be unnecessary. Even unnecessary things can take a lot of time to do. In fact, I think there is a law that states that the more unnecessary a repair turns out to be the more time it takes to do. That isn't fair, but it is reality.
- I spent an inordinate amount of time building a huge mobile lift that I could use to work on the boat's bottom and keel while standing.
- In boat building, time is like water - it evaporates.
= Living in a climate that is frozen solid half of the year limits the time available to work on the boat,
- I am slow, very slow.
= The more I get done the longer the list gets of things that I still need to do. That isn't fair either.
- etc.
Graham
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Graham: What is taking so long? If you are like me you get down inside that hull and start thinking of the possibilities then an hour passes and i eventually decide to do it the way Stan did!
Lol!
Bob (palatka)
> On Mar 26, 2015, at 9:42 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
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> Fred:
>
> How the heck did you do all that work in only four months? Please tell me you had a professional crew of ten to help.
>
> I must be the slowest worker ever.
>
> Graham
>
>
>
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> Alex
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> I will weigh in with the old Rhodes 22 thoughts. I am a recent Rhodes owner. I bought a 1974 out of a barn last year. I spent 4 months taking every fitting, nut and bolt off and repairing or replacing it as well as completly restoring all the wood and interior to the bare hull so I have a pretty good idea how it was built.This boat had been mostly in fresh water, but did quite a bit of Southern California near shore to Catalina and Sea of Cortez extended cruising. Mine does not have all the bells and whistles but I can trailer it anywhere with a Nissan Frontier pickup, rig it, launch it and sail it single handed. I am 6'4" which helps standing up and laying down the mast. The cockpit is big, dry and comfortable. Nothing is in the way so you can get from bow to stern easily in big chop and bad weather. Mine has a conventional main and jib but again I have no issues single handling. I have not been in a big blow or huge waves yet but the lakes in Arizona have very unpredictable strong gusts of wind and get big confused chop quickly. I have never felt uncomfortable or unsafe.There is a ton of storage and the swing keel is a breeze to use. I have sailed over 50 years in various oceans and boats around the world.
> I think the comparison to a big old Mercedes may be true. Mine sails well in very light air, handles big gusts safely. It responds and acclerates well. Not a race car but a good all around dry and responsive sailboat. I like mine!
>
> Fred Haag
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> Date:03/25/2015 9:39 PM (GMT-07:00)
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> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wanna Be with questions
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>
> Hello Rhodies. I’ve
> been lurking on this list for a couple weeks and cyber shopping for months. I get to meet Stan in June and
> finally see the Rhodes 22 I hope to
> fall in love despite her aged looks. I
> also wanted to query the fleet I’ve been sailing on a Buccaneer 18 for over 30
> years. I started crewing on the same
> boat as a kid. The Bucc is a described
> in Sailor Anarchy as “a fast boat.
> Initially very tender, but firms up just before she capsizes” She lacks a self bailing cockpit. Mine is not set up for racing, I just play
> around.
>
> I’m looking for a couples cruiser I can dock at the local
> reservoir (southern Ohio) and sail more frequently than my dingy. I also hope to take her to Lake KY or the
> Great Lakes for a long weekend once or twice a year. I tend to keep equipment forever, and am looking
> for a quality boat that will still be serviceable in 20 plus years when I
> retire. Therefore I’m avoiding plywood decks and iron
> centerboards. I’d like a stable boat I can take my dad out
> on. He taught me to sail the Bucc when
> I was a kid, but is no longer agile.
>
> I wanted to give the group a chance to sell me on this boat My experience is almost entirely one design
> on inland waters where few other sailboats play. My Great Lakes experience is mostly paddling a canoe down the shore (bits of 4 lakes). I’m
> looking at a few other trailer sailors.
>
> Catalina 250 is reportedly very difficult to launch without
> a full team and plenty of time. It is
> more boat then I want.
>
> Hunter 23.5 Day
> sailor with accommodations suitable for a quickie after sunset, but not necessarily designed for a full weekend.
> The lack of a real head is a negative.
> I did like the 23.5 when I saw it in a boatyard. I haven’t seen a 240 yet. The 250 reportedly makes a lot of leeway. Not many of these heavy boats were made.. The 260 is too wide to legally trailer.
>
> Macgregor 26 S (not the motor cruiser) is analogous
> to a Chevy Impala. Fast but poor
> handling, they are inexpensive and plentiful.
> To misquote Dr. Who: ”It’s smaller on the inside”. Predictable necessary upgrades include a
> roller furler jib, new sails, an ida
> sailor rudder, reseal the fittings and upgrade
> the head door. I’d likely also end up
> rewiring it. I’ve
> rafted up with one. She kept up with
> my Buccaneer fairly well, being light and long. The styling is a product of the 80’s but so
> am I!
>
> Percision 23: I
> haven’t seen one. The reputation is
> unpredictable quality in a family cruiser.
> Not many built. Good performance, but no head.
>
> Rhodes 22. Appears
> to be an older Mercedes. I haven’t seen
> one yet. The reputation is well engineered
> but expensive. Refined
> handling, but a slow boat. Relatively good access to the foredeck may be vital in Lake Erie chop. Many parts custom to
> ‘Mercedes’ (GB) which is not a problem as long as Mercedes remains
> healthy. I will look at a recycled or
> recently recycled boat out of the corral. I doubt I will commission a new
> sloop.
>
> I’m not expecting an Ultimate 20, but hate to entirely sacrifice performance. The IMF seems very cool, at the cost of roach and battens.
> Does anybody know how it affects Portsmouth
> numbers, etc.?. Perhaps Stan can invent
> ‘in boom furling’. Every boat is a compromise. I
> appreciate any insight or thoughts from the Rhodes fleet.
>
>
>
> Alex Cole
>
> Urbana Ohio
>
>
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