[Rhodes22-list] Cabin Roof Plate
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Fri May 8 11:24:38 EDT 2015
Rummy,
You're about to be burned at the stake, or mast. So you better run, or
swim.
Rick
On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 7:38 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> Rick,
> And Stan is always right? Don't you believe it.
> Now ducking for cover.
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 5/7/2015 4:41:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org writes:
>
> Rummy,
>
> I've tried epoxy. It holds the screws too tight for tear-out, resulting
> in
> major gelcoat damage. Stan's instructions for the deck crane block
> specify
> 3M 4200. And that seals just fine.
>
> Rick
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 3:27 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> > Rick,
> > I'm, sorry, but I disagree. You must fill the holes with epoxy for
> strength
> > and also to seal the area from water penetration. 4200 should not be
> used.
> >
> > Rummy
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 5/4/2015 11:31:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org writes:
> >
> > Filling the larger holes with epoxy would be very risky. The next time
> > you
> > over stress the plate, the epoxy plugs plus gelcoat will tear out. It
> > would be better to fill with 3M 4200.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:59 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks. My blunder is limited to the Cabin Roof Plate, so far, that
> the
> > > hoist crane attaches to and your advice to drill out the screw holes
> > and
> > > fill with epoxy sound good.
> > >
> > > Details:
> > >
> > > READ THE INSTRUCTIONS! Ok, I have had my boat for five years and had
> > the
> > > mast up and down a few times so I figured this would be a 20 minute
> > > exercise to lower the mast for some mast top maintenance. The mast
> > crane
> > > that came with my boat has a bale on it to connect the line with
> > shackles
> > > to the bale on the mast. The crane currently on my boat was
> apparently
> > > replaced during a visit to the plant with a different crane that
> does
> > not
> > > have a bale rather two connection points for the turnbuckles of the
> two
> > aft
> > > lower shrouds. I have never lowered the mast with the shroud method
> > before
> > > so I simply clipped one end of the line with shackles to the bow
> cleat
> > and
> > > the other end to the crane and then connected the crane line to the
> mast
> > > bale. That is backwards from the instructions I failed to read. The
> > mast
> > > came down but pulled the crane base plate out of the cabin top and
> the
> > mast
> > > decided to go 45 degrees to port. I managed to pull the mast back to
> > > center and lower it then realized two more blunders. I remembered to
> > > disconnect the sliding hatch but failed to close the hatch and failed
> to
> > > move the slider up the mast. My sliding hatch now has some crunched
> > > fiberglass to remind me to close the hatch next time. The final
> error
> > was
> > > not having sufficient length in the lower forward shrouds that get
> the
> > > chains. Wrong chain position and or not having the turnbuckle open
> > > enough. The result was some very tight shrouds that bent the top of
> the
> > > chain plates. So after five years of boating without any major screw
> > ups I
> > > suppose this makes me an official Rhodie!
> > >
> > > Christopher P. Cowie
> > >
> > > 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> > > Suite 300
> > > Washington, DC 20007
> > > 202.342.2711 ex.204 ● 202.342.2691 fax ● 202.270.1470 mobile
> > > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
> > >
> > >
> > > Please consider the environment before printing this email.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
> > > rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22 Email
> > List
> > > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 10:30 AM
> > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cabin Roof Plate
> > >
> > > Christopher,
> > >
> > > I would drill out the holes you are going to make for the screws
> twice
> > as
> > > wide and the teeth of the screws, then back fill the holes with
> Epoxy.
> > > Once that is dry, sand it flush with the deck and drill pilot holes
> into
> > > the epoxy for the new screws.
> > >
> > > This way there is no direct path from the screw to the core material
> and
> > > you don't end up with a soft deck like I have. Lots of people try
> to
> > > depend on the surface sealants between the plate and the deck, but
> the
> > work
> > > that happens at the screw/plate/deck area will create an opening to
> the
> > > core where water can seep. By drilling out a hole twice as wide as
> the
> > > screws teeth, you gain a water proof buffer between the screws and
> the
> > > water absorbing core material.
> > >
> > > James Nichols
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
> > > rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22 Email
> > List
> > > Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 9:12 AM
> > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cabin Roof Plate
> > >
> > > I managed to rip the cabin roof plate, used to connect the mast hoist
> > > crane, off my boat yesterday, don't ask how, and I need to
> reinstall. I
> > > understand that this plate can be screwed to the cabin top or thru
> > bolted.
> > > I prefer to try and make the repair with the screws. I will use 3M
> 5200
> > > Polyurethane Adhesive/Sealant from the plate to the cabin top. My
> > question
> > > is what I should fill the two screw holes with to re insert the
> screws?
> > I
> > > assume this should be the West System #404 High Density Filler that
> can
> > be
> > > injected into the striped screw holes and then re drill two 3/16"
> pilot
> > > holes once it has dried. Does this seem like to correct repair?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----
> > > Christopher P. Cowie
> > >
> > > 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> > > Suite 300
> > > Washington, DC 20007
> > > 202.342.2711 ex.204 ● 202.342.2691 fax ● 202.270.1470 mobile [
> > > ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
> > >
> > >
> > >
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