[Rhodes22-list] engine replacement

Wed Sep 16 14:56:03 EDT 2015

Jay,
At this point rebuilding the pump sounds like a wise investment.  Something you can check though is to make sure pee hose line is clear.  I get damn mud dabbers that will plug up the exit with mud.  Stick a toothpick or pipe cleaner up through it to make sure it's clear.  But regardless, at 15 years, a new water pump should be installed  - rob 

Rob Lowe

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Okay, so I started the outboard a few hours ago. Turned over flawlessly with no adventitious sounds. Turned it immediately off and repeated. Same thing. So I'm going to chance a replacement of the pump and blow out the water line with some compressed air. The cost of the repair kit is maybe $50. A new engine $2500 to $3000. It did not pee either time, so we know the pump failed. We're just investigating on if the engine is still salvageable and reliable. This will happen late next week. I'll keep you posted. Graham, I hope to have learned not quite as hard a lesson as you did years ago. We'll see.  Thanks everyone for your insights.

Jay Weiss
Hanali R22 1998
Poughkeepsie, NY.

On Wednesday, September 16, 2015, The Rhodes 22 Email List < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Jay:
> It all depends on the "pee test". When the motor is running water 
> should be streaming out the back. If it was run without water 
> circulating for more than a minute you may be in for trouble or have a 
> good excuse to buy a new motor. I am no mechanic but I destroyed a 
> motor that way years back and now I always check whenever I start one up. I learn everything the hard way.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile. R22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario Canada
>
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> Graham,
>
> I hear ya. Tomorrow I'll turn the engine on. If it turns over I'll 
> turn it off and consider water pump replacement. If it doesn't turn 
> over or sounds unusual, I'll assume it's a contaminated line like you 
> describe and buy a new engine. The middle ground is the difficult 
> choice. Probably 70/30 the engine is history regardless. It's that 
> 3/10 that generates both greed and remorse. What odds would you assign this horse(power) race?
>
> Jay Weiss
> R-22 1998. Hanali
> Poughkeepsie, NY
>
> On Tuesday, September 15, 2015, The Rhodes 22 Email List < 
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <javascript:;>> wrote:
>
> > Jay:
> > If the pump fails and you run the engine for more than a few minutes 
> > without coolant running through you can damage the engine irreparably.
> > The impeller breaks up and clogs the water passages. It takes a 
> > complete engine rebuild to fix it and for old motors it might not be 
> > worth the expense.  I suspect now that your problem is more than 
> > just the pump/impeller.
> >
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> > Agile. R22, 1976
> > Kingston Ontario Canada
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > The engine may be fried. I acquired the boat last year without 
> > knowing its maintenance history. Recently the carburetor was rebuilt 
> > and engine overhauled, prop replaced, oil changed, that sort of thing.
> > There was no issue until, of course, the engine was used in the 
> > water, and it then overheated. My mechanic said the water pump 
> > repair would be difficult which is why I'm thinking about 
> > replacement. If repair is easy I would have him do it but I'm 
> > worried that he'll continue to discover just one more issue in this 
> > old engine, although I'm not sure how many more problems he could find.
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 3:25 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List < 
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <javascript:;> <javascript:;>> wrote:
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> > > Jay,
> > > Did you fry the engine or just looking for an excuse to replace it?
> > > A faulty water pump (replace impeller) is a pretty easy and 
> > > inexpensive repair. - Rob Lowe
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > My 15 year old Yamaha 9.9 4-stroke is overheating with the likely 
> > > diagnosis a faulty water pump. I'm thinking that it's time to 
> > > replace
> it.
> > > The local marina sells and services Mercury. Any advice on whether 
> > > to replace and matters associated with Merc's is appreciated. 
> > > Thanks
> fellas.
> > >
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> > > R-22 1998  Hanali
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