[Rhodes22-list] light for Graham
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> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 09:52:17 -0400
> From: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] engine replacement
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> Agree with Ted....my Tohatsu (2006 4-stroke 8.8hp 20" shaft) has been
> stalwart
>
> Richard
> Waif
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 9:29 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
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>> Jay, if I were you, I would consider the Tohatsu line of outboards. Lots
>> of discussion on the list over the years, but it is basically the same
>> engine as the Mercury--with a lower price tag. You can order online with
>> free shipping.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ted
>>
>>>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 10:51 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Graham,
>>>
>>> I hear ya. Tomorrow I'll turn the engine on. If it turns over I'll turn
>> it
>>> off and consider water pump replacement. If it doesn't turn over or
>> sounds
>>> unusual, I'll assume it's a contaminated line like you describe and buy a
>>> new engine. The middle ground is the difficult choice. Probably 70/30 the
>>> engine is history regardless. It's that 3/10 that generates both greed
>> and
>>> remorse. What odds would you assign this horse(power) race?
>>>
>>> Jay Weiss
>>> R-22 1998. Hanali
>>> Poughkeepsie, NY
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 15, 2015, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jay:
>>>> If the pump fails and you run the engine for more than a few minutes
>>>> without
>>>> coolant running through you can damage the engine irreparably. The
>> impeller
>>>> breaks up and clogs the water passages. It takes a complete engine
>> rebuild
>>>> to fix it and for old motors it might not be worth the expense. I
>> suspect
>>>> now that your problem is more than just the pump/impeller.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Graham Stewart
>>>> Agile. R22, 1976
>>>> Kingston Ontario Canada
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org <javascript:;>
>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of
>>>> The Rhodes 22 Email
>>>> List
>>>> Sent: September 15, 2015 5:24 PM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] engine replacement
>>>>
>>>> The engine may be fried. I acquired the boat last year without knowing
>> its
>>>> maintenance history. Recently the carburetor was rebuilt and engine
>>>> overhauled, prop replaced, oil changed, that sort of thing. There was no
>>>> issue until, of course, the engine was used in the water, and it then
>>>> overheated. My mechanic said the water pump repair would be difficult
>> which
>>>> is why I'm thinking about replacement. If repair is easy I would have
>> him
>>>> do
>>>> it but I'm worried that he'll continue to discover just one more issue
>> in
>>>> this old engine, although I'm not sure how many more problems he could
>>>> find.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 3:25 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <javascript:;>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jay,
>>>>> Did you fry the engine or just looking for an excuse to replace it? A
>>>>> faulty water pump (replace impeller) is a pretty easy and inexpensive
>>>>> repair. - Rob Lowe
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org <javascript:;> [mailto:
>>>>> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of The
>>>> Rhodes 22 Email
>>>>> List
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 1:20 PM
>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <javascript:;>
>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] engine replacement
>>>>>
>>>>> My 15 year old Yamaha 9.9 4-stroke is overheating with the likely
>>>>> diagnosis a faulty water pump. I'm thinking that it's time to replace
>> it.
>>>>> The local marina sells and services Mercury. Any advice on whether to
>>>>> replace and matters associated with Merc's is appreciated. Thanks
>> fellas.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jay Marshall Weiss
>>>>> R-22 1998 Hanali
>>>>> Poughkeepsie, NY
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 09:57:42 -0400
> From: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] engine replacement
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> Tohatsu gets consistently high marks from marina operators and outboard
> service shops. They like the responsiveness of Tohatsu to parts requests and
> Tohatsu often provides free replacements if something fails, even out of
> warranty. Even so, Yamaha probably has 80% of the outboard market in
> Florida. A number of Hondas (including ours) and relatively few Mercurys
>
> Larry Allen
> Makai
> Sarasota
> larrywallen at verizon.net
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22 Email
> List
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 9:30 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] engine replacement
>
> Jay, if I were you, I would consider the Tohatsu line of outboards. Lots of
> discussion on the list over the years, but it is basically the same engine
> as the Mercury--with a lower price tag. You can order online with free
> shipping.
>
> Cheers,
> Ted
>
>>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 10:51 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>
>> Graham,
>>
>> I hear ya. Tomorrow I'll turn the engine on. If it turns over I'll
>> turn it off and consider water pump replacement. If it doesn't turn
>> over or sounds unusual, I'll assume it's a contaminated line like you
>> describe and buy a new engine. The middle ground is the difficult
>> choice. Probably 70/30 the engine is history regardless. It's that
>> 3/10 that generates both greed and remorse. What odds would you assign
> this horse(power) race?
>>
>> Jay Weiss
>> R-22 1998. Hanali
>> Poughkeepsie, NY
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 15, 2015, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Jay:
>>> If the pump fails and you run the engine for more than a few minutes
>>> without coolant running through you can damage the engine
>>> irreparably. The impeller breaks up and clogs the water passages. It
>>> takes a complete engine rebuild to fix it and for old motors it might
>>> not be worth the expense. I suspect now that your problem is more
>>> than just the pump/impeller.
>>>
>>>
>>> Graham Stewart
>>> Agile. R22, 1976
>>> Kingston Ontario Canada
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org <javascript:;>
>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org <javascript:;>] On Behalf
>>> Of The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> Sent: September 15, 2015 5:24 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] engine replacement
>>>
>>> The engine may be fried. I acquired the boat last year without
>>> knowing its maintenance history. Recently the carburetor was rebuilt
>>> and engine overhauled, prop replaced, oil changed, that sort of
>>> thing. There was no issue until, of course, the engine was used in
>>> the water, and it then overheated. My mechanic said the water pump
>>> repair would be difficult which is why I'm thinking about
>>> replacement. If repair is easy I would have him do it but I'm worried
>>> that he'll continue to discover just one more issue in this old
>>> engine, although I'm not sure how many more problems he could find.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 3:25 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <javascript:;>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jay,
>>>> Did you fry the engine or just looking for an excuse to replace it?
>>>> A faulty water pump (replace impeller) is a pretty easy and
>>>> inexpensive repair. - Rob Lowe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org <javascript:;> [mailto:
>>>> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of The
>>> Rhodes 22 Email
>>>> List
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 1:20 PM
>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <javascript:;>
>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] engine replacement
>>>>
>>>> My 15 year old Yamaha 9.9 4-stroke is overheating with the likely
>>>> diagnosis a faulty water pump. I'm thinking that it's time to replace
> it.
>>>> The local marina sells and services Mercury. Any advice on whether
>>>> to replace and matters associated with Merc's is appreciated. Thanks
> fellas.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jay Marshall Weiss
>>>> R-22 1998 Hanali
>>>> Poughkeepsie, NY
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>>
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>>>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> J Marshall Weiss, DVM
>>> __________________________________________________
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>>
>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 10:30:44 -0400
> From: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] engine replacement
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> We have a Yamaha that has performed flawlessly since we started using
> non-ethanol gas. We went with the Yamaha because of the ease of
> using the flushing port. Because we keep the boat in a slip in salt
> water we like to flush the engine with fresh water after every use.
> This is after a previous Honda died due to salt build up and
> corrosion in the cooling passages. I believe the newer Hondas have a
> flushing port but I think you still have to remove the cowl to get to
> it (at least you did 6 years ago when we were looking for a new
> engine.) The Yamaha's port is accessible and all you do is attach a
> hose to the port near the top of the engine. If you are not in salt
> water (or even if you are and don't keep the boat in a slip) this may
> not matter.
>
> Mary Lou
> 1991 R22 Fretless
> recycled 1998
> Rock Hall, MD
>
>
> At 09:57 AM 9/16/2015, you wrote:
>> Tohatsu gets consistently high marks from marina operators and outboard
>> service shops. They like the responsiveness of Tohatsu to parts requests and
>> Tohatsu often provides free replacements if something fails, even out of
>> warranty. Even so, Yamaha probably has 80% of the outboard market in
>> Florida. A number of Hondas (including ours) and relatively few Mercurys
>>
>> Larry Allen
>> Makai
>> Sarasota
>> larrywallen at verizon.net
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22 Email
>> List
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 9:30 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] engine replacement
>>
>> Jay, if I were you, I would consider the Tohatsu line of outboards. Lots of
>> discussion on the list over the years, but it is basically the same engine
>> as the Mercury--with a lower price tag. You can order online with free
>> shipping.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ted
>>
>>>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 10:51 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Graham,
>>>
>>> I hear ya. Tomorrow I'll turn the engine on. If it turns over I'll
>>> turn it off and consider water pump replacement. If it doesn't turn
>>> over or sounds unusual, I'll assume it's a contaminated line like you
>>> describe and buy a new engine. The middle ground is the difficult
>>> choice. Probably 70/30 the engine is history regardless. It's that
>>> 3/10 that generates both greed and remorse. What odds would you assign
>> this horse(power) race?
>>>
>>> Jay Weiss
>>> R-22 1998. Hanali
>>> Poughkeepsie, NY
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 15, 2015, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jay:
>>>> If the pump fails and you run the engine for more than a few minutes
>>>> without coolant running through you can damage the engine
>>>> irreparably. The impeller breaks up and clogs the water passages. It
>>>> takes a complete engine rebuild to fix it and for old motors it might
>>>> not be worth the expense. I suspect now that your problem is more
>>>> than just the pump/impeller.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Graham Stewart
>>>> Agile. R22, 1976
>>>> Kingston Ontario Canada
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org <javascript:;>
>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org <javascript:;>] On Behalf
>>>> Of The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>> Sent: September 15, 2015 5:24 PM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] engine replacement
>>>>
>>>> The engine may be fried. I acquired the boat last year without
>>>> knowing its maintenance history. Recently the carburetor was rebuilt
>>>> and engine overhauled, prop replaced, oil changed, that sort of
>>>> thing. There was no issue until, of course, the engine was used in
>>>> the water, and it then overheated. My mechanic said the water pump
>>>> repair would be difficult which is why I'm thinking about
>>>> replacement. If repair is easy I would have him do it but I'm worried
>>>> that he'll continue to discover just one more issue in this old
>>>> engine, although I'm not sure how many more problems he could find.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 3:25 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <javascript:;>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jay,
>>>>> Did you fry the engine or just looking for an excuse to replace it?
>>>>> A faulty water pump (replace impeller) is a pretty easy and
>>>>> inexpensive repair. - Rob Lowe
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org <javascript:;> [mailto:
>>>>> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of The
>>>> Rhodes 22 Email
>>>>> List
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 1:20 PM
>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <javascript:;>
>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] engine replacement
>>>>>
>>>>> My 15 year old Yamaha 9.9 4-stroke is overheating with the likely
>>>>> diagnosis a faulty water pump. I'm thinking that it's time to replace
>> it.
>>>>> The local marina sells and services Mercury. Any advice on whether
>>>>> to replace and matters associated with Merc's is appreciated. Thanks
>> fellas.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jay Marshall Weiss
>>>>> R-22 1998 Hanali
>>>>> Poughkeepsie, NY
>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>>>
>>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
>>>>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
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>>>>>
>>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
>>>>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> J Marshall Weiss, DVM
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>>
>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
>>>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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>>>>
>>>> __________________________________________________
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>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sent from Gmail Mobile
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