[Rhodes22-list] Boat Show? centerboard line route

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Fri Sep 25 12:55:14 EDT 2015 

Graham,

I had the system with the blocks on my '81.  I replaced the blocks from Dwyer once in 33 years for pocket change.  My '91 has the diamond board without blocks and is too heavy for my wife to raise.  As I age, I look to more mechanical advantage rather than less. 

My last order for spares from Dwyer (https://www.dwyermast.com/families.asp?cat1ID=70&cat1Name=Blocks)
in August of this year was as follows:

DH 441	 - Shroud Adjuster	1 Ordered @ 	$10.10/ea	Item Total - $10.10
DH 855	 - Shackle		3 Ordered @ 	$4.70/ea	Item Total - $14.10
DH 921	 - Eye Strap		3 Ordered @ 	$1.50/ea	Item Total - $4.50
DH 923	 - Eye Strap		1 Ordered @ 	$4.00/ea	Item Total - $4.00
DH 912	 - Swivel Block		5 Ordered @ 	$10.90/ea	Item Total - $54.50
DH 911	 - Bullet Block		3 Ordered @ 	$7.50/ea	Item Total - $22.50

Sub Total:  $109.70	Shipping & Handling: $13.88	CT Sales Tax: $0.00	Order Total: $123.58

Not really a lot of money to be able to replace chewed up blocks and stuff.

Mike
s/v Windlass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY



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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boat Show? centerboard line route

I wonder if anyone has gone without blocks on the older centerboard. I like the idea of abandoning the blocks but when I "tested" it on my boat by simply trying to raise the board while on dry land it seemed to require a lot of effort. Perhaps when in the water it would be easier. On my boat I found that the blocks had all seized up so going without them might eliminate something that can, and will,  go wrong.


Graham Stewart
Agile. R22, 1976
Kingston Ontario Canada






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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boat Show? centerboard line route

Yes we do have the "diamond board" and that may make a difference for the angle of the pennant to the attachment points. However, we did originally have a block or blocks. I believe (but don't
know) that they are similar weights.

Mary Lou

At 11:46 AM 9/24/2015, you wrote:
>Don't you have the diamond board Mary Lou?
>Jerry
>
>
>  We are amongst those who have dispensed with the blocks.
> >
> > It makes it very easy to change out the pennant with the boat up in 
> > slings for bottom painting (after doing it ourselves for several 
> > years, we now pay a marina to bottom paint the boat.)  And we 
> > haven't found it hard to raise or lower the centerboard - I do that 
> > mostly.  It's not effortless, but it's not hard either.
> >
> > Best,
> > Mary Lou
> > 1991 R22 Fretless
> >
> > At 11:36 AM 9/24/2015, you wrote:
> >>Here is a crude diagram of how mine is set up on a 76 boat. The 
> >>difference between this and Rob's is that the line starts at the cap 
> >>rather than the centreboard. In Ron's case there will be three 
> >>attachment points on the centerboard while with mine there are just 
> >>two. Frankly, I would not worry too much about the route you take.
> >>Using blocks should make raising the centerboard easier but 
> >>apparently some have dispensed with the blocks altogether. I tested 
> >>that myself and found that the weight on the line was substantial 
> >>and aside for the effort to raise it, that put a lot more strain on 
> >>the cleat. It may be, however, that the newer "diamond"
> >>centerboards require less effort to raise.
> >>Graham Stewart Agile. R22, 1976 Kingston Ontario Canada 
> >>-----Original Message----- From:
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> >>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes
> >>22 Email List Sent:
> >>September 23, 2015 5:07 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: 
> >>[Rhodes22-list] Boat Show? Depends on your setup, but here is one 
> >>possible routing. - Rob 
> >>http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-lis
> t/attachments/20140507/b8028f59/attachment.JPG
> >>Rob Lowe -----Original Message----- From:
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> >>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes
> >>22 Email List Sent:
> >>Wednesday, September 23, 2015 4:43 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >>Subject: Re:
> >>[Rhodes22-list] Boat Show? Might search the archives,  but I 
> >>remember a diagram of being posted of the pendant and associated 
> >>blocks,  I believe it listed the length of line needed.
> >>James. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From:"The Rhodes 22 Email 
> >>List"
> >><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date:Wed, Sep 23,
> >>2015 at 12:49 PM Subject:Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boat Show? I agree with 
> >>Graham. Use the yacht braid (anyone know the ideal length needed?).
> >>Yours probably was replaced with inferior line.  Keep an eye out for 
> >>something sharp.  I wouldnt whip the line. Bob (palatka) > On Sep 
> >>23, 2015, at 11:08 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List 
> >><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > Slim: > The line also has to 
> >>pass through a series of blocks and I would be concerned that the 
> >>whipping might not pass through properly. I would skip the whipping 
> >>and try to find out what is fraying the line. Mine is still good 
> >>after 40 years so I expect there is some rough edge rubbing on the 
> >>line that might be corrected fairly easily. > > Graham Stewart > 
> >>Agile. R22,
> >>1976 > Kingston Ontario Canada > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> >>> From:
> >>rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org > 
> >>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes
> >>22 > Email List > Sent:
> >>September 22, 2015 10:18 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >
> >>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boat Show? > > Thanks all for the 
> >>welcoming replies.
> >>Nice to see some familiar names and old friends.
> >>Fandango's been on the hard for a few years while I went through 
> >>some major changes but I finally got her in the water this summer 
> >>and remembered why I like this boat so much. I've done quite a bit 
> >>of much-needed maintenance and still more to come but the 
> >>centerboard line was about to break so that's the priority now. > > 
> >>I was able to get in contact with Stan who said the neoprene gasket 
> >>should be reusable and that any quarter inch line will do, although 
> >>I'll look for the high quality yacht braid Bob suggests. I'm 
> >>thinking a whipping right where it gets cleated would be a good idea 
> >>so long as it doesn't bulk up the line too much to slide through the 
> >>hole. While I have the line out I might drill that hole just a 
> >>little bigger. I never want to do this job again so an anti-chafe 
> >>whip came to mind. > > I started in on it today and took off the 
> >>breaker panel, the big board that serves as the companionway step, 
> >>settee and hinged passageway (all one piece), the step support and 
> >>the floor board around the trunk. I counted 56 bolts around the 
> >>trunk! They're ss phillips heads (many stripped out heads at that
> >>-- don't know why they'd be stripped -- how many times has the trunk 
> >>been removed?) with washers and lock nuts. It's a royal PITA 
> >>removing even the bolts with the good heads to say nothing of the 
> >>stripped ones! I got about half of them off and quit for the day. >
> >>> This may take a while but there should be plenty of good weather
> >>left in the season to work on it before it gets too cold so no need 
> >>to rush through it. [grin] I'll try to get some photos and keep you 
> >>posted. > > Thanks again everybody! > > -Slim > >> On Tue, Sep 22,
> >>2015 at 3:17 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List < 
> >>rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: >> >>
> >>Slim: Use high quality yacht braid.  It will last longer than other
> >>>> line in a cam cleat. >> The gasket is neoprene and doesnt need a
> >>sealant. Just clean the >> surfaces really well. >> If your cap is 
> >>put on with screws, most recommend changing to ss >> bolts and 
> >>nylock ss nuts. >> >> Bob (palatka) >> >>>> On Sep 22, 2015, at 1:35 
> >>PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List < >>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>wrote: >>> >>> Hello dear Rhodies -- My name is Steve Alm ("Slim") 
> >>and I live in >>> Minneapolis, MN and also in Menomonie, WI. I was 
> >>an active list user >>> for quite a few years back before many of us 
> >>migrated to Facebook. >>> I've had >> my >>> R22 for about 17 years 
> >>and it needs some attention.
> >>The centerboard >> control >>> line is getting frayed where it 
> >>always meets the cleat when all the >>> way >> up >>> so I want to 
> >>replace it before it breaks and I'd have no way to >>> raise >> it.
> >>I >>> guess then I'd have a fixed keel boat, No? >>> >>> I've 
> >>emailed Stan for a trunk gasket and possibly the line itself. I >> 
> >>don't >>> know exactly what kind of line this is. It's stiffer than 
> >>the stuff >>> I see at West Marine so I don't really know what to 
> >>ask for, or if >>> it's even critical. >>> >>> Have any of y'all 
> >>ever done this? I'd love some advice or tips on >>> the procedure.
> >>For instance, when you put all the trunk screws back >>> in, do >> 
> >>you >>> need to use a torque wrench to get them all the same? Gasket 
> >>sealer >>> brand/type? >>> >>> Thanks in advance for any 
> >>suggestions. >>> Slim >>> SV Fandango >>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 
> >>at 12:10 PM, Rod Ellner <rodellner at icloud.com> >>
> >>wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi List! >>>> >>>> This is from Mary (Rod’s 
> >>wife).  I am sending this, as Slim (Steven >> Alm) >>>> has a Rhodes
> >>22 issue…â….and he has been “off da list” for >>>> 
> >>awhile……(and Rummy the Rhodes Guru is no longer with us!)) >>>>
> >>>>>> Take him “under
> >>your wings”!      Thank You! >>>> >>>> Mary
> >>Ellner >>>> s/v Toy Blew >>>> St Croix River/WI >>>>>> On Sep 22, 
> >>2015, at 10:27 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List < >>>>> 
> >>rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> General Boats is 
> >>listed online in the Exhibitors list, but the >>>>> Rhodes >> 22
> >>>>>> is >>>>> not listed in the boat list. Maybe Stan is just
> >>bringing groceries >> from >>>> his >>>>> new business. >>>>> >>>>> 
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