[Rhodes22-list] Boat Show? centerboard line route
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Fri Sep 25 23:14:33 EDT 2015
I think Graham is right. I don't think the
centerboard weighs 200 lbs unless someone rebuilt
it. I'm sure I'm not lifting a 200 lb board. The
diamond board can't be much different in weight
from the old-style centerboard in weight as the
overall specs for the boat didn't change.
This was discussed before on this list. Rummy said about 65lbs.
http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Centerboard-statistics-tt9540.html#a9541
John Shulick said 100lbs for his old style CB on his 71 (and he weighed it)
http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Ballast-td43098.html#a43099
more:
http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/fixing-swing-keel-tt41009.html#a41012
Mary Lou
At 09:57 PM 9/25/2015, you wrote:
>My centerboard is either a lot less than 200 lbs
>or I am much stronger than I thought as I have
>carried if off and back on to my boat
>repeatedly. My guess is that it weighs about 80
>lbs. Could there be that much variation between
>boats? Graham Stewart Agile. R22, 1976 Kingston
>Ontario Canada -----Original Message----- From:
>rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>Behalf Of The Rhodes 22 Email List Sent:
>September 25, 2015 2:59 PM To: The Rhodes 22
>Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boat
>Show? centerboard line route Graham, Considering
>the weight of the center board is about 200
>lbs, and it doesn't displace much water, I'm
>guessing the only assistance you are going to
>get is about 15 lbs of buoyancy (couple gallons
>of water displaced), so the keel's effective
>weight without the blocks will be like trying to
>lift 175lbs with the pennant. Sent from Yahoo
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><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date:Fri, Sep 25,
>2015 at 11:56 AM Subject:Re: [Rhodes22-list]
>Boat Show? centerboard line route Graham, I had
>the system with the blocks on my '81. I
>replaced the blocks from Dwyer once in 33 years
>for pocket change. My '91 has the diamond board
>without blocks and is too heavy for my wife to
>raise. As I age, I look to more mechanical
>advantage rather than less. My last order for
>spares from Dwyer
>(https://www.dwyermast.com/families.asp?cat1ID=70&cat1Name=Blocks)
>in August of this year was as follows: DH
>441 - Shroud Adjuster 1 Ordered
>@ $10.10/ea Item Total - $10.10 DH
>855 - Shackle 3 Ordered
>@ $4.70/ea Item Total - $14.10 DH
>921 - Eye Strap 3 Ordered
>@ $1.50/ea Item Total - $4.50 DH 923 -
>Eye Strap 1 Ordered
>@ $4.00/ea Item Total - $4.00 DH 912 -
>Swivel Block 5 Ordered
>@ $10.90/ea Item Total - $54.50 DH
>911 - Bullet Block 3 Ordered
>@ $7.50/ea Item Total - $22.50 Sub
>Total: $109.70 Shipping & Handling:
>$13.88 CT Sales Tax: $0.00 Order Total:
>$123.58 Not really a lot of money to be able to
>replace chewed up blocks and stuff. Mike s/v
>Windlass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY
>-----Original Message----- From:
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>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
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>September 25, 2015 11:05 AM To: 'The Rhodes 22
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>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boat Show?
>centerboard line route I wonder if anyone has
>gone without blocks on the older centerboard. I
>like the idea of abandoning the blocks but when
>I "tested" it on my boat by simply trying to
>raise the board while on dry land it seemed to
>require a lot of effort. Perhaps when in the
>water it would be easier. On my boat I found
>that the blocks had all seized up so going
>without them might eliminate something that can,
>and will, go wrong. Graham Stewart Agile. R22,
>1976 Kingston Ontario Canada -----Original
>Message----- From:
>rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>Behalf Of The Rhodes 22 Email List Sent:
>September 24, 2015 12:26 PM To: The Rhodes 22
>Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boat
>Show? centerboard line route Yes we do have the
>"diamond board" and that may make a difference
>for the angle of the pennant to the attachment
>points. However, we did originally have a block
>or blocks. I believe (but don't know) that they
>are similar weights. Mary Lou At 11:46 AM
>9/24/2015, you wrote: >Don't you have the
>diamond board Mary Lou? >Jerry > > > We are
>amongst those who have dispensed with the
>blocks. > > > > It makes it very easy to change
>out the pennant with the boat up in > > slings
>for bottom painting (after doing it ourselves
>for several > > years, we now pay a marina to
>bottom paint the boat.) And we > > haven't
>found it hard to raise or lower the centerboard
>- I do that > > mostly. It's not effortless,
>but it's not hard either. > > > > Best, > > Mary
>Lou > > 1991 R22 Fretless > > > > At 11:36 AM
>9/24/2015, you wrote: > >>Here is a crude
>diagram of how mine is set up on a 76 boat.
>The > >>difference between this and Rob's is
>that the line starts at the cap > >>rather than
>the centreboard. In Ron's case there will be
>three > >>attachment points on the centerboard
>while with mine there are just > >>two. Frankly,
>I would not worry too much about the route you
>take. > >>Using blocks should make raising the
>centerboard easier but > >>apparently some have
>dispensed with the blocks altogether. I
>tested > >>that myself and found that the weight
>on the line was substantial > >>and aside for
>the effort to raise it, that put a lot more
>strain on > >>the cleat. It may be, however,
>that the newer "diamond" > >>centerboards
>require less effort to raise. > >>Graham Stewart
>Agile. R22, 1976 Kingston Ontario
>Canada > >>-----Original Message-----
>From: > >>rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org > >>
>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>Behalf Of The Rhodes > >>22 Email List
>Sent: > >>September 23, 2015 5:07 PM To: The
>Rhodes 22 Email List Subject:
>Re: > >>[Rhodes22-list] Boat Show? Depends on
>your setup, but here is one > >>possible
>routing. -
>Rob > >>http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes2
>2-lis >
>t/attachments/20140507/b8028f59/attachment.JPG >
> >>Rob Lowe -----Original Message-----
>From: > >>rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org > >>
>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>Behalf Of The Rhodes > >>22 Email List
>Sent: > >>Wednesday, September 23, 2015 4:43 PM
>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >>Subject:
>Re: > >>[Rhodes22-list] Boat Show? Might search
>the archives, but I > >>remember a diagram of
>being posted of the pendant and
>associated > >>blocks, I believe it listed the
>length of line needed. > >>James. Sent from
>Yahoo Mail on Android From:"The Rhodes 22
>Email > >>List" > >><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Date:Wed, Sep 23, > >>2015 at 12:49 PM
>Subject:Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boat Show? I agree
>with > >>Graham. Use the yacht braid (anyone
>know the ideal length needed?). > >>Yours
>probably was replaced with inferior line. Keep
>an eye out for > >>something sharp. I wouldnt
>whip the line. Bob (palatka) > On Sep > >>23,
>2015, at 11:08 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email
>List > >><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > >
>Slim: > The line also has to > >>pass through a
>series of blocks and I would be concerned that
>the > >>whipping might not pass through
>properly. I would skip the whipping > >>and try
>to find out what is fraying the line. Mine is
>still good > >>after 40 years so I expect there
>is some rough edge rubbing on the > >>line that
>might be corrected fairly easily. > > Graham
>Stewart > > >>Agile. R22, > >>1976 > Kingston
>Ontario Canada > > > > > -----Original
>Message----- > >>>
>From: > >>rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org > >
> >>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]
>On Behalf Of The Rhodes > >>22 > Email List >
>Sent: > >>September 22, 2015 10:18 PM > To: The
>Rhodes 22 Email List > > >>Subject: Re:
>[Rhodes22-list] Boat Show? > > Thanks all for
>the > >>welcoming replies. > >>Nice to see some
>familiar names and old friends. > >>Fandango's
>been on the hard for a few years while I went
>through > >>some major changes but I finally got
>her in the water this summer > >>and remembered
>why I like this boat so much. I've done quite a
>bit > >>of much-needed maintenance and still
>more to come but the > >>centerboard line was
>about to break so that's the priority
>now. > > > >>I was able to get in contact with
>Stan who said the neoprene gasket > >>should be
>reusable and that any quarter inch line will do,
>although > >>I'll look for the high quality
>yacht braid Bob suggests. I'm > >>thinking a
>whipping right where it gets cleated would be a
>good idea > >>so long as it doesn't bulk up the
>line too much to slide through the > >>hole.
>While I have the line out I might drill that
>hole just a > >>little bigger. I never want to
>do this job again so an anti-chafe > >>whip came
>to mind. > > I started in on it today and took
>off the > >>breaker panel, the big board that
>serves as the companionway step, > >>settee and
>hinged passageway (all one piece), the step
>support and > >>the floor board around the
>trunk. I counted 56 bolts around the > >>trunk!
>They're ss phillips heads (many stripped out
>heads at that > >>-- don't know why they'd be
>stripped -- how many times has the
>trunk > >>been removed?) with washers and lock
>nuts. It's a royal PITA > >>removing even the
>bolts with the good heads to say nothing of
>the > >>stripped ones! I got about half of them
>off and quit for the day. > > >>> This may take
>a while but there should be plenty of good
>weather > >>left in the season to work on it
>before it gets too cold so no need > >>to rush
>through it. [grin] I'll try to get some photos
>and keep you > >>posted. > > Thanks again
>everybody! > > -Slim > >> On Tue, Sep
>22, > >>2015 at 3:17 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email
>List < > >>rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>wrote: >> >> > >>Slim: Use high quality yacht
>braid. It will last longer than other > >>>>
>line in a cam cleat. >> The gasket is neoprene
>and doesnt need a > >>sealant. Just clean the >>
>surfaces really well. >> If your cap is > >>put
>on with screws, most recommend changing to ss >>
>bolts and > >>nylock ss nuts. >> >> Bob
>(palatka) >> >>>> On Sep 22, 2015, at
>1:35 > >>PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List < >>>
>rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > >>wrote: >>> >>>
>Hello dear Rhodies -- My name is Steve Alm
>("Slim") > >>and I live in >>> Minneapolis, MN
>and also in Menomonie, WI. I was > >>an active
>list user >>> for quite a few years back before
>many of us > >>migrated to Facebook. >>> I've
>had >> my >>> R22 for about 17 years > >>and it
>needs some attention. > >>The centerboard >>
>control >>> line is getting frayed where
>it > >>always meets the cleat when all the >>>
>way >> up >>> so I want to > >>replace it before
>it breaks and I'd have no way to >>> raise >>
>it. > >>I >>> guess then I'd have a fixed keel
>boat, No? >>> >>> I've > >>emailed Stan for a
>trunk gasket and possibly the line itself.
>I >> > >>don't >>> know exactly what kind of
>line this is. It's stiffer than > >>the
>stuff >>> I see at West Marine so I don't really
>know what to > >>ask for, or if >>> it's even
>critical. >>> >>> Have any of y'all > >>ever
>done this? I'd love some advice or tips on >>>
>the procedure. > >>For instance, when you put
>all the trunk screws back >>> in,
>do >> > >>you >>> need to use a torque wrench to
>get them all the same? Gasket > >>sealer >>>
>brand/type? >>> >>> Thanks in advance for
>any > >>suggestions. >>> Slim >>> SV
>Fandango >>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 > >>at
>12:10 PM, Rod Ellner
><rodellner at icloud.com> >> > >>wrote: >>>> >>>>
>Hi List! >>>> >>>> This is from Mary
>(Rod̢۪s > >>wife). . I am sending this, as
>Slim (Steven >> Alm) >>>> has a Rhodes > >>22
>issue
ââ€Â¦.and he has been â€Å¢â‚¬Å“off da
>list†for >>>> > >>awhileâ€Â¦
(and Rand Rummy
>the Rhodes Guru is no longer with
>us!)) >>>> > >>>>>> Take him “under > >>your
>wingsâ€! T Thank You! >>>> >>>> Mary
>Ellner >>>> s/v Toy > >>Blew >>>> St Croix
>River/WI >>>>>> On Sep 22, 2015, at 10:27 AM,
>The > >>Rhodes 22 Email List < >>>>>
>rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>wrote: > >>>>>>> >>>>> General Boats is listed
>online in the Exhibitors list, > >>but the >>>>>
>Rhodes >> 22 > >>>>>> is >>>>> not listed in the
>boat list. Maybe Stan is just > >>bringing
>groceries >> from >>>> his >>>>> new
>business. >>>>> >>>>> > >>Bob >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >
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