[Rhodes22-list] Time to let it go?

Tue May 2 17:50:32 EDT 2017

Hi Jason...I brought my 1984 R22 back from the brink with a lot less work
than you seem to have. The total cost to me was about $3500 and  it took me
about a year to get it completed. I have not regretted it one bit and I
have enjoyed the boat summer and winter for 3 years now.

The problems on your boat seem to be pretty dire with the main concerns
being the hull to deck joint and the missing bulkheads. Without going into
a lot of detail I would guess your are looking at  least $7000 worth of
material and over a year of out-of-the water labor. At the end of the
project you will have a 42 year old boat and unless you can work miracles,
a boat that is probably only worth $2000 if your lucky.

I am sure many will disagree, but there is a finite life-span to any boat
and my advise would be to save your time and money and find yourself a
younger Rhodes 22 and be back on the water for summer.

Cheers

~~~ _/) ~~~

Richard Beytagh
Phone: 828 337 0180

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 4:57 PM, kg4ezq <jason_q at jasonquick.com> wrote:

> My already rather tired '74 recently ran into some bad luck and I'm looking
> for some input on whether or not it's worth repairing her. Obviously we're
> all fans of the Rhodes 22 and would hate to see one die, but I'd really
> appreciate input from people who have some idea of the work involved in
> getting my boat back on the water.
>
> I've had the boat for nearly a year and have sailed almost daily, and
> easily
> more than anyone else in the marina. I feel like I've gotten a lot from the
> boat despite the fact that it already had a number of issues when I got it.
> The possibly fatal blow came a couple of weekends ago though. I was sailing
> in a strong breeze when my forestay failed due to some corrosion that was
> hidden by the furler. The extra wires did their job and kept the mast up,
> but because the full 175 was unfurled they transferred an immense load to
> the cabin top, resulting in hull-deck separation on both sides. There's
> about a 6ft area on starboard and 1ft area on port where the deck has come
> up visibly.
>
> Additionally the genoa suffered at least $200 worth of damage and the
> furler
> is probably a loss as well. I already have another furler that I was lucky
> enough to pick up used, but I'll have to have the sail modified to use it.
> The sails are both blown out originals, so it's questionable if it's worth
> repairing them instead of replacing them.
>
> I should also add that this is (or possibly was) my first boat and many
> other problems existed when I bought it but were invisible to my then
> inexperienced eye. I am not a master naval architect by any stretch and
> most
> of these projects will require me to learn new skills.
>
> These additional pre-existing problems also need to be taken into
> consideration:
>
> 1) The cabin was extensively modified by a previous owner and the bulkhead
> for the head was removed, as well as most other woodwork in the cabin. The
> bulkhead at the back of the v-berth is also gone, so to my eye the boat
> needs some bulkheads restored to add stiffness at a minimum, and perhaps a
> complete restoration of the cabin.
>
> 2) The previous owner that modified the cabin added a compression post, but
> failed to use stainless hardware and the post appears to be in danger of
> collapsing. The way it's constructed currently prevents restoration of the
> original bulkhead design, so it'll have to be completely re-done.
>
> 3) The deck shows signs of stress in various places, including the usual
> spider cracks along the benches. The benches were reinforced by the owner I
> bought the boat from, and I don't think the cracks are spreading. However,
> the pushpit had no backing plates and has pushed through the fiberglass at
> two of the mounting points and there are other small areas that need help
> around the boat. There's also about a fist sized area in the bulkhead
> beside
> the companionway that appears to have been badly patched and will have to
> be
> reconstructed. This was hidden by an accessory plate until recently. Also,
> a
> previous owner cut holes for speakers in the front of the lazarrette
> beneath
> the benches which in my mind need to be removed and re-sealed before I take
> the boat anywhere there's a chance of getting swamped.
>
> 4) All of the portlights are in poor condition but thanks to a lot of
> effort
> do not leak.
>
> 5) There was recently some hull-deck joint failure at the transom where the
> port chainplate was attached, there are now new, longer chainplates which
> attach the deck to the hull and the deck-joint has been repaired. However
> this combined with the new damage suggests that the entire hull-deck joint
> may need to be re-done. I'm not sure this is within my ability.
>
> 6) Some of the other rigging is in questionable condition, and after the
> trauma of the forestay failure and now that I know some of the wire is not
> of the correct type I'm inclined to replace the entire rig.
>
> 7) My centerboard often gets stuck up. The prevailing theory is that it may
> be bent.
>
> 8) The electrical panel was moved to an area that should be covered by the
> centerboard trunk step, and so most of the boat will have to be re-wired if
> I restore the original design.
>
> 9) The water tank and the plumbing for it is gone or was never installed
> despite the fact that a sink with faucet and functioning drain are present.
>
> 10) The cockpit floor is unsupported; it looks like someone (factory?) has
> added supports to stiffen the floor but these don't actually reach the
> floor
> with the exception of one 4x4 post in the center, which has caused a raised
> spot.
>
> 11)  Nearly all of the running rigging is chafed and tired and needs to be
> replaced.
>
> 12) I have some concerns about the state of the coring under the mast step,
> and there has been water intrusion along the mast electrical wires at some
> point. There are signs of possible deformation from the inside, but this
> could also just be variations in the liner. There are no soft spots or
> apparent deformation topside.
>
> Of course there are other smaller issues as well, but these are the ones I
> think will suck up the most time or money to address. So with all this in
> mind, what do you guys think about the viability of restoring this 42 year
> old boat?
>
> Thanks in advance for the thoughtful input.
>
> Jason
>
>
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