From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Wed Aug  1 13:10:17 2018
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 19:10:17 +0200
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 07-25,26,27,28 Rhodes in the Med
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So glad you enjoy them. Arrived in small town of Grazie near la Spezia after a calm sea crossing of 75 miles. 
Chris G
ENOSIS

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 31, 2018, at 8:28 PM, <scranevmd at verizon.net> <scranevmd at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> I just wanted to add my thanks for your postings.  They are wonderful and I
> am living vicariously reading them.  Keep safe and keep posting!
> 
> Susan Crane
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Chris
> Geankoplis
> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 11:19 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 07-25,26,27,28 Rhodes in the Med
> 
> So, here is the last installment for France.  Enjoy.  Oh, I'll try to put
> some more technical info in the next report.  I don't think I really gave a
> good picture of the sailing aspects and route planning the is half the fun.
> Also I'll try to show how we get 10 pounds of crap in a 5 pound boat.
> 
> Chris G
> Enosis
> 
> Link:
> 
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ufic4XPGuM8hxBwUrwk-dLIjO9dH6TpY/view?usp=s
> haring
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Wed Aug  1 13:39:43 2018
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 13:39:43 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 07-25,26,27,28 Rhodes in the Med
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Chris,

Le Grazie near La Spezia? Near Cinque Terre?  Beautiful harbor!  You should
stay and explore the coastline to Monterosso al Mare.  There is a train from
La Spezia to Monterosso which stops at each of the five towns.  Great hiking
and countryside.  Been there, no T-shirt.  Food is the best!  Enjoy!

Mike
s/v Wind Lass  ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Chris
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2018 1:10 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 07-25,26,27,28 Rhodes in the Med

So glad you enjoy them. Arrived in small town of Grazie near la Spezia after
a calm sea crossing of 75 miles. 
Chris G
ENOSIS

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 31, 2018, at 8:28 PM, <scranevmd at verizon.net>
<scranevmd at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> I just wanted to add my thanks for your postings.  They are wonderful and
I
> am living vicariously reading them.  Keep safe and keep posting!
> 
> Susan Crane
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
Chris
> Geankoplis
> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 11:19 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 07-25,26,27,28 Rhodes in the Med
> 
> So, here is the last installment for France.  Enjoy.  Oh, I'll try to put
> some more technical info in the next report.  I don't think I really gave
a
> good picture of the sailing aspects and route planning the is half the
fun.
> Also I'll try to show how we get 10 pounds of crap in a 5 pound boat.
> 
> Chris G
> Enosis
> 
> Link:
> 
>
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ufic4XPGuM8hxBwUrwk-dLIjO9dH6TpY/view?usp=s
> haring
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From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Wed Aug  1 18:39:15 2018
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 15:39:15 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller mayhem
In-Reply-To: <a15aa066-0194-eaed-82da-03b9680b1d3d@rhodes22.com>
References: <1532304798318-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1B29EA4B-8538-4AD2-8B42-1710A26C9566@cowieassociates.com>
 <1532355342394-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <1533163155104-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Thanks Stan,   The new fiberglass masterpeace arrived.   I?ll send back the
unused spare, it came Monday.   The Enosis style spare worked in winds of
10-20 Friday, and will be part of my kit for cruises.   I steadily lost
winds over the remainer of the weekend, so I dinghy sailed Saturday and
cleaned house Sunday.     I appreciate you guys keeping me on the water.      

In full disclosure, I found my rudder was pulled a tad forward of plumb when
I relaunched after Erie, I don?t know about prior times.   I adjusted it by
eye.  The wheel barrow handle and the fiberglass one both felt similar
sailing, my hand wasn?t sensitive enough to feel a clear difference in
pressure.    Gusting is so random I?m not sure if it rounded up less often.   




-----
Alex Cole
S/V Lark
--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From stan at rhodes22.com  Wed Aug  1 20:37:20 2018
From: stan at rhodes22.com (Stan Spitzer)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 20:37:20 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller mayhem
In-Reply-To: <1533163155104-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1532304798318-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1B29EA4B-8538-4AD2-8B42-1710A26C9566@cowieassociates.com>
 <1532355342394-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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One comment.? The rudder blade does not want to be plumb or any amount 
aft of plumb, unless for sculling use or shallow water.?? It should be 
pulled down as far as it will go.? No guessing needed. This pitches it 
slightly forward and under the hull for a spade rudder effect so you 
feel zero or very little rudder pressure when sailing.? Any of your 
sickest canines can sail with such a light feel tiller.?? A challenge: I 
never tried having a cat take the helm.

stan

On 8/1/18 6:39 PM, S/V Lark wrote:
> Thanks Stan,   The new fiberglass masterpeace arrived.   I?ll send back the
> unused spare, it came Monday.   The Enosis style spare worked in winds of
> 10-20 Friday, and will be part of my kit for cruises.   I steadily lost
> winds over the remainer of the weekend, so I dinghy sailed Saturday and
> cleaned house Sunday.     I appreciate you guys keeping me on the water.
>
> In full disclosure, I found my rudder was pulled a tad forward of plumb when
> I relaunched after Erie, I don?t know about prior times.   I adjusted it by
> eye.  The wheel barrow handle and the fiberglass one both felt similar
> sailing, my hand wasn?t sensitive enough to feel a clear difference in
> pressure.    Gusting is so random I?m not sure if it rounded up less often.
>
>
>
>
> -----
> Alex Cole
> S/V Lark
> --
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From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Wed Aug  1 23:19:11 2018
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 20:19:11 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller mayhem
In-Reply-To: <c5136c89-7f87-c4b5-bd2c-9e3b3248df19@rhodes22.com>
References: <1532304798318-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1B29EA4B-8538-4AD2-8B42-1710A26C9566@cowieassociates.com>
 <1532355342394-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <a15aa066-0194-eaed-82da-03b9680b1d3d@rhodes22.com>
 <1533163155104-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <c5136c89-7f87-c4b5-bd2c-9e3b3248df19@rhodes22.com>
Message-ID: <1533179951730-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

I wouldn?t trust that beautiful boat to a cat.    She?d run it over the dam
just to see what happened next. 

Thanks for correcting me.   The rudder will be pulled forward fully.    No
more attempts at deducing form.  



-----
Alex Cole
S/V Lark
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat Aug 11 13:20:21 2018
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 19:20:21 +0200
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Persieds watch in the Med
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Moved from Le Grazie to a small island just to the south for a dark sky. Chris ENOSIS
Sent from my iPhone

From rodellner at mac.com  Sat Aug 11 20:26:48 2018
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 19:26:48 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Persieds watch in the Med
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Message-ID: <14472E19-ACAF-4AA8-BFE1-E8B142DA1C6E@mac.com>

Enjoy!!!!

Sent from my iPhone

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From BCittadino at dcs-law.com  Tue Aug 14 18:03:50 2018
From: BCittadino at dcs-law.com (Benjamin Cittadino)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 22:03:50 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Selling my R22- Certf. of Support Extinct?
Message-ID: <E6B7E77D6B1EE74694228E37C352C00A01B08251E4@DCS2011.dcslaw.local>

Hello folks,

I'm going to sell my R22, the S/V Susan Kay which I keep in a slip on Sandy Hook Bay (Highlands, NJ) during the sailing season and up on stands in Sea Bright NJ at Carriage House Marina (about 5 miles south of the slip). In any event, in thinking about this I recall Stan used to have a Certificate of Support Program which, if memory serves, involved giving him 10% of the price in exchange for unlimited access to his fund of knowledge and the ability to purchase parts and stuff from him.

However, it seems to me that General Boats is out of business (the phone numbers I have don't work). Did another outfit merge with or buy the assets of General Boats? Should I forget about trying to look into the Certificate of Support program? I'm thinking I will just let my guy at Carriage House Marina sell the boat for me to some person here in NJ. I don't even own a trailer and never take the mast down during the season.

If anyone has any thoughts about how best to sell her please let me know.

Hope the crew of Rhodies is well. I remember some fun on this list with raging debates about politics and such back when political debate was fun. Thanks.

Ben

[cid:image002.png at 01D433F9.271D4550]<http://www.dcs-law.com/>Benjamin N. Cittadino
Certified Civil Trial Attorney
Of Counsel
Devlin, Cittadino & Shaw, P.C.
3131 Princeton Pike
                             Bldg. 1-A, Ste. 202
             Trenton, NJ 08648

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Phone: (609) 896-2222 l Fax: (609) 896-2279 l www.dcs-law.com<http://www.dcs-law.com/>
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From a_czerwonky at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 15 08:37:38 2018
From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 12:37:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Selling my R22- Certf. of Support Extinct?
In-Reply-To: <E6B7E77D6B1EE74694228E37C352C00A01B08251E4@DCS2011.dcslaw.local>
References: <E6B7E77D6B1EE74694228E37C352C00A01B08251E4@DCS2011.dcslaw.local>
Message-ID: <229896555.7820009.1534336658280@mail.yahoo.com>

Yo, Ben,Oh the memories, apparently now passing.? I have contemplated shifting colors to another Rhoadie or Wannabe myself.? I suspect GB may be faded now. I have heard no news of Stan or Rose myself. Tempis fugit.
I hope you are doing well.? All is well at Hartwell even though Rummy is a misty image sailing the Runner on the lake, Mr Gay in one fist, tiller in the other.? I often wish the rail had not dipped so low.
Time marches on with us, Brad waiting for Bar exam results (Patent) and Jana as a school principal in the Atlanta area.??
As Allison now tells our friends: "We are old friends. When we get older and senile we can be New friends."? Hmmmm.
The boom room business sure is going strong.? Hmmmm.
Thank you for posting. I always doubted the 'certificate' except as a means for our fearless leader.? I myself will likely move Mary Jane and countless memories through a broker, although wouldn't it be nice to a believer.
Best to you, my friend,
Art Czerwonkys/v Mary JaneLake Hartwell
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 6:03 PM, Benjamin Cittadino<BCittadino at dcs-law.com> wrote:   Hello folks,

I'm going to sell my R22, the S/V Susan Kay which I keep in a slip on Sandy Hook Bay (Highlands, NJ) during the sailing season and up on stands in Sea Bright NJ at Carriage House Marina (about 5 miles south of the slip). In any event, in thinking about this I recall Stan used to have a Certificate of Support Program which, if memory serves, involved giving him 10% of the price in exchange for unlimited access to his fund of knowledge and the ability to purchase parts and stuff from him.

However, it seems to me that General Boats is out of business (the phone numbers I have don't work). Did another outfit merge with or buy the assets of General Boats? Should I forget about trying to look into the Certificate of Support program? I'm thinking I will just let my guy at Carriage House Marina sell the boat for me to some person here in NJ. I don't even own a trailer and never take the mast down during the season.

If anyone has any thoughts about how best to sell her please let me know.

Hope the crew of Rhodies is well. I remember some fun on this list with raging debates about politics and such back when political debate was fun. Thanks.

Ben

[cid:image002.png at 01D433F9.271D4550]<http://www.dcs-law.com/>Benjamin N. Cittadino
Certified Civil Trial Attorney
Of Counsel
Devlin, Cittadino & Shaw, P.C.
3131 Princeton Pike
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Bldg. 1-A, Ste. 202
? ? ? ? ? ? Trenton, NJ 08648

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From scranevmd at verizon.net  Thu Aug 16 11:14:41 2018
From: scranevmd at verizon.net (scranevmd at verizon.net)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 11:14:41 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Selling my R22- Certf. of Support Extinct?
In-Reply-To: <E6B7E77D6B1EE74694228E37C352C00A01B08251E4@DCS2011.dcslaw.local>
References: <E6B7E77D6B1EE74694228E37C352C00A01B08251E4@DCS2011.dcslaw.local>
Message-ID: <007801d43573$db96c7b0$92c45710$@verizon.net>

I was hoping to see an answer to this question from Stan or someone in the
group.  I may also be selling my boat this year but am still trying to
decide.  Anyone know what the situation is?

Susan Crane

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
Benjamin Cittadino
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 6:04 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Selling my R22- Certf. of Support Extinct?

Hello folks,

I'm going to sell my R22, the S/V Susan Kay which I keep in a slip on Sandy
Hook Bay (Highlands, NJ) during the sailing season and up on stands in Sea
Bright NJ at Carriage House Marina (about 5 miles south of the slip). In any
event, in thinking about this I recall Stan used to have a Certificate of
Support Program which, if memory serves, involved giving him 10% of the
price in exchange for unlimited access to his fund of knowledge and the
ability to purchase parts and stuff from him.

However, it seems to me that General Boats is out of business (the phone
numbers I have don't work). Did another outfit merge with or buy the assets
of General Boats? Should I forget about trying to look into the Certificate
of Support program? I'm thinking I will just let my guy at Carriage House
Marina sell the boat for me to some person here in NJ. I don't even own a
trailer and never take the mast down during the season.

If anyone has any thoughts about how best to sell her please let me know.

Hope the crew of Rhodies is well. I remember some fun on this list with
raging debates about politics and such back when political debate was fun.
Thanks.

Ben

[cid:image002.png at 01D433F9.271D4550]<http://www.dcs-law.com/>Benjamin N.
Cittadino Certified Civil Trial Attorney Of Counsel Devlin, Cittadino &
Shaw, P.C.
3131 Princeton Pike
                             Bldg. 1-A, Ste. 202
             Trenton, NJ 08648

 
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From charles.gabriel at gmail.com  Thu Aug 16 11:34:16 2018
From: charles.gabriel at gmail.com (Charles Gabriel)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 11:34:16 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Selling my R22- Certf. of Support Extinct?
In-Reply-To: <E6B7E77D6B1EE74694228E37C352C00A01B08251E4@DCS2011.dcslaw.local>
References: <E6B7E77D6B1EE74694228E37C352C00A01B08251E4@DCS2011.dcslaw.local>
Message-ID: <CABCtkXV7diuVSMNW_NSfFrEmbe0Fa3twWzJPxHGF8_HyCguO4A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Folks,

Rumors to the contrary, General Boats is indeed still open for business.
I was just down there for a visit recently.  The crew is about to start
gearing up for the annual trek to Annapolis.

But yes, there appears to be an issue with their local phone company.
I would suggest you email Stan directly with your questions.

Charles



On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 6:03 PM, Benjamin Cittadino <BCittadino at dcs-law.com>
wrote:

> Hello folks,
>
> I'm going to sell my R22, the S/V Susan Kay which I keep in a slip on
> Sandy Hook Bay (Highlands, NJ) during the sailing season and up on stands
> in Sea Bright NJ at Carriage House Marina (about 5 miles south of the
> slip). In any event, in thinking about this I recall Stan used to have a
> Certificate of Support Program which, if memory serves, involved giving him
> 10% of the price in exchange for unlimited access to his fund of knowledge
> and the ability to purchase parts and stuff from him.
>
> However, it seems to me that General Boats is out of business (the phone
> numbers I have don't work). Did another outfit merge with or buy the assets
> of General Boats? Should I forget about trying to look into the Certificate
> of Support program? I'm thinking I will just let my guy at Carriage House
> Marina sell the boat for me to some person here in NJ. I don't even own a
> trailer and never take the mast down during the season.
>
> If anyone has any thoughts about how best to sell her please let me know.
>
> Hope the crew of Rhodies is well. I remember some fun on this list with
> raging debates about politics and such back when political debate was fun.
> Thanks.
>
> Ben
>
> [cid:image002.png at 01D433F9.271D4550]<http://www.dcs-law.com/>Benjamin N.
> Cittadino
> Certified Civil Trial Attorney
> Of Counsel
> Devlin, Cittadino & Shaw, P.C.
> 3131 Princeton Pike
>                              Bldg. 1-A, Ste. 202
>              Trenton, NJ 08648
>
>                              bcittadino at dcs-law.com<mailto:
> bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
> Phone: (609) 896-2222 l Fax: (609) 896-2279 l www.dcs-law.com<http://www.
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From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Thu Aug 16 12:58:09 2018
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 16:58:09 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Selling my R22- Certf. of Support Extinct?
In-Reply-To: <007801d43573$db96c7b0$92c45710$@verizon.net>
References: <E6B7E77D6B1EE74694228E37C352C00A01B08251E4@DCS2011.dcslaw.local>
 <007801d43573$db96c7b0$92c45710$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <BN6PR18MB1553420AE8376BABE0F5DCC8D13E0@BN6PR18MB1553.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>

I am interested in buying a Rhodes 22.  Please email me direct with additional information.  See my email below.

Christopher P. Cowie? ??

700 N Fairfax Street 
Suite 304
Alexandria, Virginia 22314
202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile
[ccowie at cowieassociates.com]



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-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of scranevmd at verizon.net
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 11:15 AM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Selling my R22- Certf. of Support Extinct?

I was hoping to see an answer to this question from Stan or someone in the group.  I may also be selling my boat this year but am still trying to decide.  Anyone know what the situation is?

Susan Crane

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Benjamin Cittadino
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 6:04 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Selling my R22- Certf. of Support Extinct?

Hello folks,

I'm going to sell my R22, the S/V Susan Kay which I keep in a slip on Sandy Hook Bay (Highlands, NJ) during the sailing season and up on stands in Sea Bright NJ at Carriage House Marina (about 5 miles south of the slip). In any event, in thinking about this I recall Stan used to have a Certificate of Support Program which, if memory serves, involved giving him 10% of the price in exchange for unlimited access to his fund of knowledge and the ability to purchase parts and stuff from him.

However, it seems to me that General Boats is out of business (the phone numbers I have don't work). Did another outfit merge with or buy the assets of General Boats? Should I forget about trying to look into the Certificate of Support program? I'm thinking I will just let my guy at Carriage House Marina sell the boat for me to some person here in NJ. I don't even own a trailer and never take the mast down during the season.

If anyone has any thoughts about how best to sell her please let me know.

Hope the crew of Rhodies is well. I remember some fun on this list with raging debates about politics and such back when political debate was fun.
Thanks.

Ben

[cid:image002.png at 01D433F9.271D4550]<http://www.dcs-law.com/>Benjamin N.
Cittadino Certified Civil Trial Attorney Of Counsel Devlin, Cittadino & Shaw, P.C.
3131 Princeton Pike
                             Bldg. 1-A, Ste. 202
             Trenton, NJ 08648

 
bcittadino at dcs-law.com<mailto:bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
Phone: (609) 896-2222 l Fax: (609) 896-2279 l www.dcs-law.com<http://www.dcs-law.com/>
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From bencittadino at gmail.com  Thu Aug 16 21:04:29 2018
From: bencittadino at gmail.com (Benjamin Cittadino)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 21:04:29 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Dazed and Confused
Message-ID: <7CCD7F2E-C549-40C3-B03C-D5CA32625792@gmail.com>

Hi again Folks;

While waiting for a response to my inquiry about whether General Boat still exists, whether the Certificate of Support exists, and what the best way to go about selling my boat is, I took a walk back through time in the archive and found this from Stan:
"To all the great Rhodes owners on the List (persona non grata know who 
you are):


As it must to all who pass this way, unless a strategic partner(s) line 
is tossed, the Rhodes 22 is being stocked for its sail into the sunset.

Whatever gods may be, having collectively conspired with their tools of 
death (Elton's), dementia (Rose's) and old age (mine), are sending the 
Rhodes on its final sail to parts unknown.

For private sale buyers and sellers who negotiated the C of S program 
out at their closings, the parts department is now closed.  GB 
Commitments, and plant projects under way, continue being honored.

Thanks to all Rhodies who contributed to such a long running, fun 
adventure.  The Annapolis Show, being paid for, must go on.  For those 
who can make it, if I can, will see you then.

stan?

That was posted more than one year ago in May 2017. It sure sounds like Stan was closing up shop or at least looking for a buyer or partner. 
In light of the flat out statement by one contributor that the place is up and running it sounds even stranger that they can?t be reached by phone. 
I will surely be happy to give folks details about my boat (she?s a peach) directly but it sure would be nice to get a detailed straight story about where things stand with the business. I see a recent comment by Stan on this list so I am also a bit dazed about why he hasn?t chimed in with the facts. Maybe he?s traveling . Oh well, thanks to all



From bgarrant at gmail.com  Thu Aug 16 21:45:42 2018
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 21:45:42 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Dazed and Confused
In-Reply-To: <7CCD7F2E-C549-40C3-B03C-D5CA32625792@gmail.com>
References: <7CCD7F2E-C549-40C3-B03C-D5CA32625792@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBAhv71dK2TtFwoFEW77CAUbtzwOROO7t9S9L4fva+FyxA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Benjamin
As of today, General Boats is still operating. I consider myself indeed
fortunate that I was able to purchase my 2000 Rhodes from Stan last year
I exchanged emails with Stan today and spoke with his part-time assistant
Kristina by phone today as well.
Stan is planning to be at the 2018 Annapolis Boat Show.

Best wishes.
Bob.
S/vSail la Vie, Rhodes 2000

On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 9:04 PM Benjamin Cittadino <bencittadino at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi again Folks;
>
> While waiting for a response to my inquiry about whether General Boat
> still exists, whether the Certificate of Support exists, and what the best
> way to go about selling my boat is, I took a walk back through time in the
> archive and found this from Stan:
> "To all the great Rhodes owners on the List (persona non grata know who
> you are):
>
>
> As it must to all who pass this way, unless a strategic partner(s) line
> is tossed, the Rhodes 22 is being stocked for its sail into the sunset.
>
> Whatever gods may be, having collectively conspired with their tools of
> death (Elton's), dementia (Rose's) and old age (mine), are sending the
> Rhodes on its final sail to parts unknown.
>
> For private sale buyers and sellers who negotiated the C of S program
> out at their closings, the parts department is now closed.  GB
> Commitments, and plant projects under way, continue being honored.
>
> Thanks to all Rhodies who contributed to such a long running, fun
> adventure.  The Annapolis Show, being paid for, must go on.  For those
> who can make it, if I can, will see you then.
>
> stan?
>
> That was posted more than one year ago in May 2017. It sure sounds like
> Stan was closing up shop or at least looking for a buyer or partner.
> In light of the flat out statement by one contributor that the place is up
> and running it sounds even stranger that they can?t be reached by phone.
> I will surely be happy to give folks details about my boat (she?s a peach)
> directly but it sure would be nice to get a detailed straight story about
> where things stand with the business. I see a recent comment by Stan on
> this list so I am also a bit dazed about why he hasn?t chimed in with the
> facts. Maybe he?s traveling . Oh well, thanks to all
>
>
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From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Fri Aug 17 07:42:30 2018
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 11:42:30 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Dazed and Confused
In-Reply-To: <7CCD7F2E-C549-40C3-B03C-D5CA32625792@gmail.com>
References: <7CCD7F2E-C549-40C3-B03C-D5CA32625792@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8424F629-03B5-4009-BDD0-5A1095F4CDF7@cowieassociates.com>

Send me details about your boat to my email below.  I am one who tried unsuccessfully to partner.


Please note our new office address and phone number

Christopher P. Cowie  [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]   [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]

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On Aug 16, 2018, at 9:04 PM, Benjamin Cittadino <bencittadino at gmail.com<mailto:bencittadino at gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi again Folks;

While waiting for a response to my inquiry about whether General Boat still exists, whether the Certificate of Support exists, and what the best way to go about selling my boat is, I took a walk back through time in the archive and found this from Stan:
"To all the great Rhodes owners on the List (persona non grata know who
you are):


As it must to all who pass this way, unless a strategic partner(s) line
is tossed, the Rhodes 22 is being stocked for its sail into the sunset.

Whatever gods may be, having collectively conspired with their tools of
death (Elton's), dementia (Rose's) and old age (mine), are sending the
Rhodes on its final sail to parts unknown.

For private sale buyers and sellers who negotiated the C of S program
out at their closings, the parts department is now closed.  GB
Commitments, and plant projects under way, continue being honored.

Thanks to all Rhodies who contributed to such a long running, fun
adventure.  The Annapolis Show, being paid for, must go on.  For those
who can make it, if I can, will see you then.

stan?

That was posted more than one year ago in May 2017. It sure sounds like Stan was closing up shop or at least looking for a buyer or partner.
In light of the flat out statement by one contributor that the place is up and running it sounds even stranger that they can?t be reached by phone.
I will surely be happy to give folks details about my boat (she?s a peach) directly but it sure would be nice to get a detailed straight story about where things stand with the business. I see a recent comment by Stan on this list so I am also a bit dazed about why he hasn?t chimed in with the facts. Maybe he?s traveling . Oh well, thanks to all


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From chitakcheung at gmail.com  Fri Aug 17 11:50:15 2018
From: chitakcheung at gmail.com (Patrick Cheung)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 11:50:15 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
Message-ID: <CANexfAn58=E7JwS08XiCL3vxVUNFhrOzv8RP6Qxmg6iKgRCQig@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Rhodies,

It is time to repair the center board. I reached out to Stan for a piece of
the rubber but he is super busy right now.

I seems to recall some Rhodies may have extra rubber left over from their
repair. I am hoping I can buy a stripe off you, if you are willing to sell.

Patrick
Duck, '84
Lake Simcoe, Ontario, Canada

From hnw555 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 17 11:54:09 2018
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 11:54:09 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
In-Reply-To: <CANexfAn58=E7JwS08XiCL3vxVUNFhrOzv8RP6Qxmg6iKgRCQig@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANexfAn58=E7JwS08XiCL3vxVUNFhrOzv8RP6Qxmg6iKgRCQig@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADQNfMCS4r-1W+0R+A=rr8aFsbUKNWvpNwOMFq32WjHzLfq4kw@mail.gmail.com>

Here's another source...

https://www.grainger.com/category/ecatalog/N-/Ntt-neoprene+rubber+1~~~8+thick+gasket+material#nav=%2Fcategory%2Fecatalog%2FN-1yz888i%2FNtt-neoprene%2Brubber%2B1~~~8%2Bthick%2Bgasket%2Bmaterial%3Fsst%3Dsubset

On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 11:50 AM Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear Rhodies,
>
> It is time to repair the center board. I reached out to Stan for a piece of
> the rubber but he is super busy right now.
>
> I seems to recall some Rhodies may have extra rubber left over from their
> repair. I am hoping I can buy a stripe off you, if you are willing to sell.
>
> Patrick
> Duck, '84
> Lake Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
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From gjnovotny at comcast.net  Fri Aug 17 13:32:00 2018
From: gjnovotny at comcast.net (Gary Novotny)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 13:32:00 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
In-Reply-To: <CANexfAn58=E7JwS08XiCL3vxVUNFhrOzv8RP6Qxmg6iKgRCQig@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANexfAn58=E7JwS08XiCL3vxVUNFhrOzv8RP6Qxmg6iKgRCQig@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1291b206-e9f3-c64c-6e3e-eaf79504fdf4@comcast.net>

Patrick,

When I did my centerboard trunk maintenance four years ago I used 
neoprene sheet I bought off of Amazon. It seems to have worked well.

Gary

Moon shadow 1978 R22


On 8/17/2018 11:50 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
> Dear Rhodies,
>
> It is time to repair the center board. I reached out to Stan for a piece of
> the rubber but he is super busy right now.
>
> I seems to recall some Rhodies may have extra rubber left over from their
> repair. I am hoping I can buy a stripe off you, if you are willing to sell.
>
> Patrick
> Duck, '84
> Lake Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
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-- 
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7309 S Indian River Drive
Fort Pierce Florida 34982
772-4660956 home
772-9715753 cell
gjnovotny at comcast.net


From chitakcheung at gmail.com  Fri Aug 17 14:11:30 2018
From: chitakcheung at gmail.com (Patrick Cheung)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 14:11:30 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
In-Reply-To: <1291b206-e9f3-c64c-6e3e-eaf79504fdf4@comcast.net>
References: <CANexfAn58=E7JwS08XiCL3vxVUNFhrOzv8RP6Qxmg6iKgRCQig@mail.gmail.com>
 <1291b206-e9f3-c64c-6e3e-eaf79504fdf4@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <79AC0F64-8E71-45CF-BF2F-3E8E76D444F4@gmail.com>

Gary,

I found the perfect one from Amazon but they won?t ship to Canada. Gonna keep looking.

Thx, Patrick



> On Aug 17, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Patrick,
> 
> When I did my centerboard trunk maintenance four years ago I used neoprene sheet I bought off of Amazon. It seems to have worked well.
> 
> Gary
> 
> Moon shadow 1978 R22
> 
> 
>> On 8/17/2018 11:50 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
>> Dear Rhodies,
>> 
>> It is time to repair the center board. I reached out to Stan for a piece of
>> the rubber but he is super busy right now.
>> 
>> I seems to recall some Rhodies may have extra rubber left over from their
>> repair. I am hoping I can buy a stripe off you, if you are willing to sell.
>> 
>> Patrick
>> Duck, '84
>> Lake Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>> 
>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>> __________________________________________________
>> 
> 
> -- 
> Gary Novotny
> 7309 S Indian River Drive
> Fort Pierce Florida 34982
> 772-4660956 home
> 772-9715753 cell
> gjnovotny at comcast.net
> 
> __________________________________________________
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Fri Aug 17 14:56:49 2018
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 14:56:49 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
In-Reply-To: <79AC0F64-8E71-45CF-BF2F-3E8E76D444F4@gmail.com>
References: <CANexfAn58=E7JwS08XiCL3vxVUNFhrOzv8RP6Qxmg6iKgRCQig@mail.gmail.com>
 <1291b206-e9f3-c64c-6e3e-eaf79504fdf4@comcast.net>
 <79AC0F64-8E71-45CF-BF2F-3E8E76D444F4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00a501d4365c$0dc28510$29478f30$@ca>

Patrick:

Glad to hear that there is another Rhodie in Canada. I thought Phil Gautier and I were the only ones.

I replaced my gasket last year but was unable to find the proper neoprene. I finally got some neoprene from a neighbor but it wasn't smooth surfaced so it leaked no matter how many bolts I added. I finally stopped the leaks by using butyl tape - not an ideal solution, but it worked well. Butyl is an excellent sealant but has very low adhesive qualities so it should be easy to remove in the future should that be necessary. The tape is about 3/4" wide but I only used about half of that on both sides of the gasket as I didn't want to have it squeeze into the centerboard slot. I would not use the butyl that comes in a tube. In fact only use the butyl if you can't get the proper neoprene.


Graham Stewart
Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
Kingston Ontario.


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Cheung
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:11 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket

Gary,

I found the perfect one from Amazon but they won?t ship to Canada. Gonna keep looking.

Thx, Patrick



> On Aug 17, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Patrick,
> 
> When I did my centerboard trunk maintenance four years ago I used neoprene sheet I bought off of Amazon. It seems to have worked well.
> 
> Gary
> 
> Moon shadow 1978 R22
> 
> 
>> On 8/17/2018 11:50 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
>> Dear Rhodies,
>> 
>> It is time to repair the center board. I reached out to Stan for a piece of
>> the rubber but he is super busy right now.
>> 
>> I seems to recall some Rhodies may have extra rubber left over from their
>> repair. I am hoping I can buy a stripe off you, if you are willing to sell.
>> 
>> Patrick
>> Duck, '84
>> Lake Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>> 
>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>> __________________________________________________
>> 
> 
> -- 
> Gary Novotny
> 7309 S Indian River Drive
> Fort Pierce Florida 34982
> 772-4660956 home
> 772-9715753 cell
> gjnovotny at comcast.net
> 
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> 
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
__________________________________________________
To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list

For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
__________________________________________________


From archjones at cox.net  Fri Aug 17 19:13:11 2018
From: archjones at cox.net (Arch Jones)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 19:13:11 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] For sale
Message-ID: <2yvfkcmqmtnen8dpfh0d0t1m.1534547591236@email.android.com>


    
I am offering for sale a complete 1976 with trailer
I am in Williamsburg Virginia and can be reached at 757-291-5977 or archjones at cox.net?


I am, Sir, with every sentiment of esteem, your humble servant,Arch Jones(757) 291-5977

From gjnovotny at comcast.net  Sat Aug 18 09:38:23 2018
From: gjnovotny at comcast.net (Gary Novotny)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 09:38:23 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
In-Reply-To: <00a501d4365c$0dc28510$29478f30$@ca>
References: <CANexfAn58=E7JwS08XiCL3vxVUNFhrOzv8RP6Qxmg6iKgRCQig@mail.gmail.com>
 <1291b206-e9f3-c64c-6e3e-eaf79504fdf4@comcast.net>
 <79AC0F64-8E71-45CF-BF2F-3E8E76D444F4@gmail.com>
 <00a501d4365c$0dc28510$29478f30$@ca>
Message-ID: <f2d4e529-56c8-7a65-dffe-22b4b59f4bb3@comcast.net>

Guys,

I love Butyl tape, it's really great as a bedding compound. I completed 
the first round of restoration on a boat (not my Rhodes) three months 
ago and I used this stuff extensively for all the deck fittings and a 
hatch. Butyl tape like all sealants needs a clean surface so use Remov 
or DeBond first if the surface has prior sealant contamination. I can't 
say enough good things about the ease of Butyl tape installation and 
cleanup. All the leaking fittings are fixed now. It is too early for me 
to report on longevity, but others have had very good results and when 
you do need to re-bed its easy.

I wouldn't be comfortable using this below the waterline however. If you 
can't get neoprene sheet, you might be better off resorting to a 
traditional moderately adhesive sealant like 3M 4200. (Do NOT use 5200)

Just my 2cents.

Gary


On 8/17/2018 2:56 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
> Patrick:
>
> Glad to hear that there is another Rhodie in Canada. I thought Phil Gautier and I were the only ones.
>
> I replaced my gasket last year but was unable to find the proper neoprene. I finally got some neoprene from a neighbor but it wasn't smooth surfaced so it leaked no matter how many bolts I added. I finally stopped the leaks by using butyl tape - not an ideal solution, but it worked well. Butyl is an excellent sealant but has very low adhesive qualities so it should be easy to remove in the future should that be necessary. The tape is about 3/4" wide but I only used about half of that on both sides of the gasket as I didn't want to have it squeeze into the centerboard slot. I would not use the butyl that comes in a tube. In fact only use the butyl if you can't get the proper neoprene.
>
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> Kingston Ontario.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Cheung
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:11 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>
> Gary,
>
> I found the perfect one from Amazon but they won?t ship to Canada. Gonna keep looking.
>
> Thx, Patrick
>
>
>
>> On Aug 17, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> When I did my centerboard trunk maintenance four years ago I used neoprene sheet I bought off of Amazon. It seems to have worked well.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> Moon shadow 1978 R22
>>
>>
>>> On 8/17/2018 11:50 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
>>> Dear Rhodies,
>>>
>>> It is time to repair the center board. I reached out to Stan for a piece of
>>> the rubber but he is super busy right now.
>>>
>>> I seems to recall some Rhodies may have extra rubber left over from their
>>> repair. I am hoping I can buy a stripe off you, if you are willing to sell.
>>>
>>> Patrick
>>> Duck, '84
>>> Lake Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>
>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>> __________________________________________________
>>>
>> -- 
>> Gary Novotny
>> 7309 S Indian River Drive
>> Fort Pierce Florida 34982
>> 772-4660956 home
>> 772-9715753 cell
>> gjnovotny at comcast.net
>>
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>
>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>> __________________________________________________
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
>
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________

-- 
Gary Novotny
7309 S Indian River Drive
Fort Pierce Florida 34982
772-4660956 home
772-9715753 cell
gjnovotny at comcast.net


From mgwilson1916 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 18 09:46:41 2018
From: mgwilson1916 at gmail.com (mike wilson)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 09:46:41 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
In-Reply-To: <00a501d4365c$0dc28510$29478f30$@ca>
References: <CANexfAn58=E7JwS08XiCL3vxVUNFhrOzv8RP6Qxmg6iKgRCQig@mail.gmail.com>
 <1291b206-e9f3-c64c-6e3e-eaf79504fdf4@comcast.net>
 <79AC0F64-8E71-45CF-BF2F-3E8E76D444F4@gmail.com>
 <00a501d4365c$0dc28510$29478f30$@ca>
Message-ID: <CAJCVun0GbugL5+brB1c=XwCo+Nx0WGDwjQp9mZfjdCzEyABYhg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Graham, Patrick, Phil, et al: FYI I am a forth Rhodie in Canada and
located in Oshawa. I've been quietly monitoring "the list" since last fall
and really appreciate the advice and maintenance tips from the more
experienced Rhodies out there. Keep up the good work.
Cheers to all.
Mike

On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 2:56 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> Patrick:
>
> Glad to hear that there is another Rhodie in Canada. I thought Phil
> Gautier and I were the only ones.
>
> I replaced my gasket last year but was unable to find the proper neoprene.
> I finally got some neoprene from a neighbor but it wasn't smooth surfaced
> so it leaked no matter how many bolts I added. I finally stopped the leaks
> by using butyl tape - not an ideal solution, but it worked well. Butyl is
> an excellent sealant but has very low adhesive qualities so it should be
> easy to remove in the future should that be necessary. The tape is about
> 3/4" wide but I only used about half of that on both sides of the gasket as
> I didn't want to have it squeeze into the centerboard slot. I would not use
> the butyl that comes in a tube. In fact only use the butyl if you can't get
> the proper neoprene.
>
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> Kingston Ontario.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of Patrick Cheung
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:11 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>
> Gary,
>
> I found the perfect one from Amazon but they won?t ship to Canada. Gonna
> keep looking.
>
> Thx, Patrick
>
>
>
> > On Aug 17, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > Patrick,
> >
> > When I did my centerboard trunk maintenance four years ago I used
> neoprene sheet I bought off of Amazon. It seems to have worked well.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > Moon shadow 1978 R22
> >
> >
> >> On 8/17/2018 11:50 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
> >> Dear Rhodies,
> >>
> >> It is time to repair the center board. I reached out to Stan for a
> piece of
> >> the rubber but he is super busy right now.
> >>
> >> I seems to recall some Rhodies may have extra rubber left over from
> their
> >> repair. I am hoping I can buy a stripe off you, if you are willing to
> sell.
> >>
> >> Patrick
> >> Duck, '84
> >> Lake Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/
> mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>
> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> __________________________________________________
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Gary Novotny
> > 7309 S Indian River Drive
> > Fort Pierce Florida 34982
> > 772-4660956 home
> > 772-9715753 cell
> > gjnovotny at comcast.net
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/
> mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >
> > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > __________________________________________________
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/
> mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
>
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/
> mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
>

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Sat Aug 18 12:28:16 2018
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 12:28:16 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Canadian Rhodes
In-Reply-To: <CAJCVun0GbugL5+brB1c=XwCo+Nx0WGDwjQp9mZfjdCzEyABYhg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANexfAn58=E7JwS08XiCL3vxVUNFhrOzv8RP6Qxmg6iKgRCQig@mail.gmail.com>
 <1291b206-e9f3-c64c-6e3e-eaf79504fdf4@comcast.net>
 <79AC0F64-8E71-45CF-BF2F-3E8E76D444F4@gmail.com>
 <00a501d4365c$0dc28510$29478f30$@ca>
 <CAJCVun0GbugL5+brB1c=XwCo+Nx0WGDwjQp9mZfjdCzEyABYhg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00be01d43710$77ec3440$67c49cc0$@ca>

Mike:
 Thanks for identifying yourself. For the longest time I thought I was the only one in Canada and for some reason I am comforted to know that there are others - all in Ontario. If there are any other Canadians lurking out there, please drop us a note.

Graham Stewart
Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
Kingston Ontario



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of mike wilson
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:47 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket

Hi Graham, Patrick, Phil, et al: FYI I am a forth Rhodie in Canada and
located in Oshawa. I've been quietly monitoring "the list" since last fall
and really appreciate the advice and maintenance tips from the more
experienced Rhodies out there. Keep up the good work.
Cheers to all.
Mike

On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 2:56 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> Patrick:
>
> Glad to hear that there is another Rhodie in Canada. I thought Phil
> Gautier and I were the only ones.
>
> I replaced my gasket last year but was unable to find the proper neoprene.
> I finally got some neoprene from a neighbor but it wasn't smooth surfaced
> so it leaked no matter how many bolts I added. I finally stopped the leaks
> by using butyl tape - not an ideal solution, but it worked well. Butyl is
> an excellent sealant but has very low adhesive qualities so it should be
> easy to remove in the future should that be necessary. The tape is about
> 3/4" wide but I only used about half of that on both sides of the gasket as
> I didn't want to have it squeeze into the centerboard slot. I would not use
> the butyl that comes in a tube. In fact only use the butyl if you can't get
> the proper neoprene.
>
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> Kingston Ontario.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of Patrick Cheung
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:11 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>
> Gary,
>
> I found the perfect one from Amazon but they won?t ship to Canada. Gonna
> keep looking.
>
> Thx, Patrick
>
>
>
> > On Aug 17, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > Patrick,
> >
> > When I did my centerboard trunk maintenance four years ago I used
> neoprene sheet I bought off of Amazon. It seems to have worked well.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > Moon shadow 1978 R22
> >
> >
> >> On 8/17/2018 11:50 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
> >> Dear Rhodies,
> >>
> >> It is time to repair the center board. I reached out to Stan for a
> piece of
> >> the rubber but he is super busy right now.
> >>
> >> I seems to recall some Rhodies may have extra rubber left over from
> their
> >> repair. I am hoping I can buy a stripe off you, if you are willing to
> sell.
> >>
> >> Patrick
> >> Duck, '84
> >> Lake Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/
> mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>
> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> __________________________________________________
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Gary Novotny
> > 7309 S Indian River Drive
> > Fort Pierce Florida 34982
> > 772-4660956 home
> > 772-9715753 cell
> > gjnovotny at comcast.net
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/
> mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >
> > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > __________________________________________________
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/
> mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
>
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/
> mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
>
__________________________________________________
To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list

For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
__________________________________________________


From bencittadino at gmail.com  Sat Aug 18 12:48:27 2018
From: bencittadino at gmail.com (Benjamin Cittadino)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 12:48:27 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Selling my Rhodes 22- Certificate of Support
	Extinct?
Message-ID: <582E2D81-0CBF-4535-A8CE-9B73EEF025C6@gmail.com>

Rhodies;

I am pleased to report that I have heard from Stan. I can confirm that he reports General Boats is still in business. As has been suggested by others the best way to reach him is by email.

Thanks,



From chitakcheung at gmail.com  Sat Aug 18 12:49:34 2018
From: chitakcheung at gmail.com (Patrick Cheung)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 12:49:34 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Canadian Rhodes
In-Reply-To: <00be01d43710$77ec3440$67c49cc0$@ca>
References: <CANexfAn58=E7JwS08XiCL3vxVUNFhrOzv8RP6Qxmg6iKgRCQig@mail.gmail.com>
 <1291b206-e9f3-c64c-6e3e-eaf79504fdf4@comcast.net>
 <79AC0F64-8E71-45CF-BF2F-3E8E76D444F4@gmail.com>
 <00a501d4365c$0dc28510$29478f30$@ca>
 <CAJCVun0GbugL5+brB1c=XwCo+Nx0WGDwjQp9mZfjdCzEyABYhg@mail.gmail.com>
 <00be01d43710$77ec3440$67c49cc0$@ca>
Message-ID: <9D1ECCAC-A580-473F-A85F-328A2EB4F468@gmail.com>

It?s great to know all these Canadians appreciating the Rhodes.

I continue to source the neoprene. I?m asking my US friend if she will receive and redirect the neoprene up north. I thought we have free trade.

Patrick

> On Aug 18, 2018, at 12:28 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> Mike:
> Thanks for identifying yourself. For the longest time I thought I was the only one in Canada and for some reason I am comforted to know that there are others - all in Ontario. If there are any other Canadians lurking out there, please drop us a note.
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> Kingston Ontario
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of mike wilson
> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:47 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
> 
> Hi Graham, Patrick, Phil, et al: FYI I am a forth Rhodie in Canada and
> located in Oshawa. I've been quietly monitoring "the list" since last fall
> and really appreciate the advice and maintenance tips from the more
> experienced Rhodies out there. Keep up the good work.
> Cheers to all.
> Mike
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 2:56 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Patrick:
>> 
>> Glad to hear that there is another Rhodie in Canada. I thought Phil
>> Gautier and I were the only ones.
>> 
>> I replaced my gasket last year but was unable to find the proper neoprene.
>> I finally got some neoprene from a neighbor but it wasn't smooth surfaced
>> so it leaked no matter how many bolts I added. I finally stopped the leaks
>> by using butyl tape - not an ideal solution, but it worked well. Butyl is
>> an excellent sealant but has very low adhesive qualities so it should be
>> easy to remove in the future should that be necessary. The tape is about
>> 3/4" wide but I only used about half of that on both sides of the gasket as
>> I didn't want to have it squeeze into the centerboard slot. I would not use
>> the butyl that comes in a tube. In fact only use the butyl if you can't get
>> the proper neoprene.
>> 
>> 
>> Graham Stewart
>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
>> Kingston Ontario.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
>> Of Patrick Cheung
>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:11 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>> 
>> Gary,
>> 
>> I found the perfect one from Amazon but they won?t ship to Canada. Gonna
>> keep looking.
>> 
>> Thx, Patrick
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 17, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Patrick,
>>> 
>>> When I did my centerboard trunk maintenance four years ago I used
>> neoprene sheet I bought off of Amazon. It seems to have worked well.
>>> 
>>> Gary
>>> 
>>> Moon shadow 1978 R22
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 8/17/2018 11:50 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
>>>> Dear Rhodies,
>>>> 
>>>> It is time to repair the center board. I reached out to Stan for a
>> piece of
>>>> the rubber but he is super busy right now.
>>>> 
>>>> I seems to recall some Rhodies may have extra rubber left over from
>> their
>>>> repair. I am hoping I can buy a stripe off you, if you are willing to
>> sell.
>>>> 
>>>> Patrick
>>>> Duck, '84
>>>> Lake Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/
>> mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>> 
>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Gary Novotny
>>> 7309 S Indian River Drive
>>> Fort Pierce Florida 34982
>>> 772-4660956 home
>>> 772-9715753 cell
>>> gjnovotny at comcast.net
>>> 
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/
>> mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>> 
>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>> __________________________________________________
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/
>> mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>> 
>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>> __________________________________________________
>> 
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/
>> mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>> 
>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>> __________________________________________________
>> 
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> 
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
> 
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> 
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Sat Aug 18 12:55:05 2018
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 12:55:05 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
In-Reply-To: <f2d4e529-56c8-7a65-dffe-22b4b59f4bb3@comcast.net>
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Like Gary I used butyl extensively as a bedding material for my hardware and it is a dream to use compared to other sealants. The only place below the waterline where I used it was the centerboard cap and only then because I was getting desperate to find a solution. Gary's cautionary note is  good reason to keep looking for the proper neoprene - something I will do if/when the butyl fails or I have to remove the cap for any other reason. 

4200 sealant is easier to remove than 5200, which is almost impossible without destroying the parts,  but would still be extremely difficult - especially for such a large area. When I bought my boat a previous owner had used one of those high-adhesive sealants  and I spent literally days getting the cap off using a torch to heat a large knife that I slowly moved along the join. Even then I still broke the cap into two pieces and had to make extensive repairs to the cap and the base. 

I don't know if there is anything like butyl that has low adhesive characteristics and is still rated for below the waterline use.

For the time being the butyl is working but I will let the list know if it begins to fail - assuming the boat doesn't sink and take me with it.


Graham Stewart
Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
Kingston Ontario




-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Gary Novotny
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:38 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket

Guys,

I love Butyl tape, it's really great as a bedding compound. I completed 
the first round of restoration on a boat (not my Rhodes) three months 
ago and I used this stuff extensively for all the deck fittings and a 
hatch. Butyl tape like all sealants needs a clean surface so use Remov 
or DeBond first if the surface has prior sealant contamination. I can't 
say enough good things about the ease of Butyl tape installation and 
cleanup. All the leaking fittings are fixed now. It is too early for me 
to report on longevity, but others have had very good results and when 
you do need to re-bed its easy.

I wouldn't be comfortable using this below the waterline however. If you 
can't get neoprene sheet, you might be better off resorting to a 
traditional moderately adhesive sealant like 3M 4200. (Do NOT use 5200)

Just my 2cents.

Gary


On 8/17/2018 2:56 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
> Patrick:
>
> Glad to hear that there is another Rhodie in Canada. I thought Phil Gautier and I were the only ones.
>
> I replaced my gasket last year but was unable to find the proper neoprene. I finally got some neoprene from a neighbor but it wasn't smooth surfaced so it leaked no matter how many bolts I added. I finally stopped the leaks by using butyl tape - not an ideal solution, but it worked well. Butyl is an excellent sealant but has very low adhesive qualities so it should be easy to remove in the future should that be necessary. The tape is about 3/4" wide but I only used about half of that on both sides of the gasket as I didn't want to have it squeeze into the centerboard slot. I would not use the butyl that comes in a tube. In fact only use the butyl if you can't get the proper neoprene.
>
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> Kingston Ontario.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Cheung
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:11 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>
> Gary,
>
> I found the perfect one from Amazon but they won?t ship to Canada. Gonna keep looking.
>
> Thx, Patrick
>
>
>
>> On Aug 17, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> When I did my centerboard trunk maintenance four years ago I used neoprene sheet I bought off of Amazon. It seems to have worked well.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> Moon shadow 1978 R22
>>
>>
>>> On 8/17/2018 11:50 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
>>> Dear Rhodies,
>>>
>>> It is time to repair the center board. I reached out to Stan for a piece of
>>> the rubber but he is super busy right now.
>>>
>>> I seems to recall some Rhodies may have extra rubber left over from their
>>> repair. I am hoping I can buy a stripe off you, if you are willing to sell.
>>>
>>> Patrick
>>> Duck, '84
>>> Lake Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>
>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>> __________________________________________________
>>>
>> -- 
>> Gary Novotny
>> 7309 S Indian River Drive
>> Fort Pierce Florida 34982
>> 772-4660956 home
>> 772-9715753 cell
>> gjnovotny at comcast.net
>>
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>
>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>> __________________________________________________
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
>
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________

-- 
Gary Novotny
7309 S Indian River Drive
Fort Pierce Florida 34982
772-4660956 home
772-9715753 cell
gjnovotny at comcast.net

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From stan at rhodes22.com  Sat Aug 18 12:59:45 2018
From: stan at rhodes22.com (Stan Spitzer)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 12:59:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Canadian Rhodes
In-Reply-To: <9D1ECCAC-A580-473F-A85F-328A2EB4F468@gmail.com>
References: <CANexfAn58=E7JwS08XiCL3vxVUNFhrOzv8RP6Qxmg6iKgRCQig@mail.gmail.com>
 <1291b206-e9f3-c64c-6e3e-eaf79504fdf4@comcast.net>
 <79AC0F64-8E71-45CF-BF2F-3E8E76D444F4@gmail.com>
 <00a501d4365c$0dc28510$29478f30$@ca>
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 <00be01d43710$77ec3440$67c49cc0$@ca>
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Message-ID: <0c53a8bf-1be9-34c4-d074-082da842987f@rhodes22.com>

After 50 years we have more coast to coast Canadian Rhodies than we know 
of; never having tried to keep track of their movements from owner to 
owner over the years.

Re a cb gasket, while we have them, at $75 and the cost of getting to 
Canada, you will probably be better served locally or via an internet order.

stan

On 8/18/18 12:49 PM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
> It?s great to know all these Canadians appreciating the Rhodes.
>
> I continue to source the neoprene. I?m asking my US friend if she will receive and redirect the neoprene up north. I thought we have free trade.
>
> Patrick
>
>> On Aug 18, 2018, at 12:28 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Mike:
>> Thanks for identifying yourself. For the longest time I thought I was the only one in Canada and for some reason I am comforted to know that there are others - all in Ontario. If there are any other Canadians lurking out there, please drop us a note.
>>
>> Graham Stewart
>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
>> Kingston Ontario
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of mike wilson
>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:47 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>>
>> Hi Graham, Patrick, Phil, et al: FYI I am a forth Rhodie in Canada and
>> located in Oshawa. I've been quietly monitoring "the list" since last fall
>> and really appreciate the advice and maintenance tips from the more
>> experienced Rhodies out there. Keep up the good work.
>> Cheers to all.
>> Mike
>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 2:56 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> Patrick:
>>>
>>> Glad to hear that there is another Rhodie in Canada. I thought Phil
>>> Gautier and I were the only ones.
>>>
>>> I replaced my gasket last year but was unable to find the proper neoprene.
>>> I finally got some neoprene from a neighbor but it wasn't smooth surfaced
>>> so it leaked no matter how many bolts I added. I finally stopped the leaks
>>> by using butyl tape - not an ideal solution, but it worked well. Butyl is
>>> an excellent sealant but has very low adhesive qualities so it should be
>>> easy to remove in the future should that be necessary. The tape is about
>>> 3/4" wide but I only used about half of that on both sides of the gasket as
>>> I didn't want to have it squeeze into the centerboard slot. I would not use
>>> the butyl that comes in a tube. In fact only use the butyl if you can't get
>>> the proper neoprene.
>>>
>>>
>>> Graham Stewart
>>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
>>> Kingston Ontario.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
>>> Of Patrick Cheung
>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:11 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>>>
>>> Gary,
>>>
>>> I found the perfect one from Amazon but they won?t ship to Canada. Gonna
>>> keep looking.
>>>
>>> Thx, Patrick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Aug 17, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Patrick,
>>>>
>>>> When I did my centerboard trunk maintenance four years ago I used
>>> neoprene sheet I bought off of Amazon. It seems to have worked well.
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>> Moon shadow 1978 R22
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/17/2018 11:50 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
>>>>> Dear Rhodies,
>>>>>
>>>>> It is time to repair the center board. I reached out to Stan for a
>>> piece of
>>>>> the rubber but he is super busy right now.
>>>>>
>>>>> I seems to recall some Rhodies may have extra rubber left over from
>>> their
>>>>> repair. I am hoping I can buy a stripe off you, if you are willing to
>>> sell.
>>>>> Patrick
>>>>> Duck, '84
>>>>> Lake Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/
>>> mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
>>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Gary Novotny
>>>> 7309 S Indian River Drive
>>>> Fort Pierce Florida 34982
>>>> 772-4660956 home
>>>> 772-9715753 cell
>>>> gjnovotny at comcast.net
>>>>
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/
>>> mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
>>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/
>>> mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>
>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
>>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>> __________________________________________________
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/
>>> mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>
>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
>>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>> __________________________________________________
>>>
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>
>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>> __________________________________________________
>>
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>
>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>> __________________________________________________
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
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> __________________________________________________


From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Sat Aug 18 14:01:02 2018
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 14:01:02 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Canadian Rhodes
In-Reply-To: <0c53a8bf-1be9-34c4-d074-082da842987f@rhodes22.com>
References: <CANexfAn58=E7JwS08XiCL3vxVUNFhrOzv8RP6Qxmg6iKgRCQig@mail.gmail.com>
 <1291b206-e9f3-c64c-6e3e-eaf79504fdf4@comcast.net>
 <79AC0F64-8E71-45CF-BF2F-3E8E76D444F4@gmail.com>
 <00a501d4365c$0dc28510$29478f30$@ca>
 <CAJCVun0GbugL5+brB1c=XwCo+Nx0WGDwjQp9mZfjdCzEyABYhg@mail.gmail.com>
 <00be01d43710$77ec3440$67c49cc0$@ca>
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 <0c53a8bf-1be9-34c4-d074-082da842987f@rhodes22.com>
Message-ID: <00c901d4371d$6d0c5110$4724f330$@ca>

Stan:

I thought there should be more Rhodes in Canada. The first time I saw the R22 was at the Toronto Boat Show in about 1972. I would have loved to have bought one then but the selling price for the boat and trailer was $5500 and that was way beyond anything I could afford. I kept the write-up materials and brought them out to re-read frequently over the years. I found my used boat in about 1994 and considered myself very lucky to have found one. At that point I had been sailing for years and had never seen the R22.

As for the neoprene, what specifications should we search for - ie type and thickness?

Thanks for a great boat,
 
Graham Stewart
Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
Kingston Ontario




-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Stan Spitzer
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 1:00 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Canadian Rhodes

After 50 years we have more coast to coast Canadian Rhodies than we know 
of; never having tried to keep track of their movements from owner to 
owner over the years.

Re a cb gasket, while we have them, at $75 and the cost of getting to 
Canada, you will probably be better served locally or via an internet order.

stan

On 8/18/18 12:49 PM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
> It?s great to know all these Canadians appreciating the Rhodes.
>
> I continue to source the neoprene. I?m asking my US friend if she will receive and redirect the neoprene up north. I thought we have free trade.
>
> Patrick
>
>> On Aug 18, 2018, at 12:28 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Mike:
>> Thanks for identifying yourself. For the longest time I thought I was the only one in Canada and for some reason I am comforted to know that there are others - all in Ontario. If there are any other Canadians lurking out there, please drop us a note.
>>
>> Graham Stewart
>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
>> Kingston Ontario
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of mike wilson
>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:47 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>>
>> Hi Graham, Patrick, Phil, et al: FYI I am a forth Rhodie in Canada and
>> located in Oshawa. I've been quietly monitoring "the list" since last fall
>> and really appreciate the advice and maintenance tips from the more
>> experienced Rhodies out there. Keep up the good work.
>> Cheers to all.
>> Mike
>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 2:56 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> Patrick:
>>>
>>> Glad to hear that there is another Rhodie in Canada. I thought Phil
>>> Gautier and I were the only ones.
>>>
>>> I replaced my gasket last year but was unable to find the proper neoprene.
>>> I finally got some neoprene from a neighbor but it wasn't smooth surfaced
>>> so it leaked no matter how many bolts I added. I finally stopped the leaks
>>> by using butyl tape - not an ideal solution, but it worked well. Butyl is
>>> an excellent sealant but has very low adhesive qualities so it should be
>>> easy to remove in the future should that be necessary. The tape is about
>>> 3/4" wide but I only used about half of that on both sides of the gasket as
>>> I didn't want to have it squeeze into the centerboard slot. I would not use
>>> the butyl that comes in a tube. In fact only use the butyl if you can't get
>>> the proper neoprene.
>>>
>>>
>>> Graham Stewart
>>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
>>> Kingston Ontario.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
>>> Of Patrick Cheung
>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:11 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>>>
>>> Gary,
>>>
>>> I found the perfect one from Amazon but they won?t ship to Canada. Gonna
>>> keep looking.
>>>
>>> Thx, Patrick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Aug 17, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Patrick,
>>>>
>>>> When I did my centerboard trunk maintenance four years ago I used
>>> neoprene sheet I bought off of Amazon. It seems to have worked well.
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>> Moon shadow 1978 R22
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/17/2018 11:50 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
>>>>> Dear Rhodies,
>>>>>
>>>>> It is time to repair the center board. I reached out to Stan for a
>>> piece of
>>>>> the rubber but he is super busy right now.
>>>>>
>>>>> I seems to recall some Rhodies may have extra rubber left over from
>>> their
>>>>> repair. I am hoping I can buy a stripe off you, if you are willing to
>>> sell.
>>>>> Patrick
>>>>> Duck, '84
>>>>> Lake Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/
>>> mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
>>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Gary Novotny
>>>> 7309 S Indian River Drive
>>>> Fort Pierce Florida 34982
>>>> 772-4660956 home
>>>> 772-9715753 cell
>>>> gjnovotny at comcast.net
>>>>
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/
>>> mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
>>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/
>>> mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>
>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
>>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>> __________________________________________________
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/
>>> mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>
>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
>>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>> __________________________________________________
>>>
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>
>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>> __________________________________________________
>>
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>
>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>> __________________________________________________
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Sat Aug 18 14:07:44 2018
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 18:07:44 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Canadian Rhodes
In-Reply-To: <9D1ECCAC-A580-473F-A85F-328A2EB4F468@gmail.com>
References: <CANexfAn58=E7JwS08XiCL3vxVUNFhrOzv8RP6Qxmg6iKgRCQig@mail.gmail.com>
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On Aug 18, 2018, at 12:49 PM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com<mailto:chitakcheung at gmail.com>> wrote:

It?s great to know all these Canadians appreciating the Rhodes.

I continue to source the neoprene. I?m asking my US friend if she will receive and redirect the neoprene up north. I thought we have free trade.

Patrick

On Aug 18, 2018, at 12:28 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca<mailto:gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>> wrote:

Mike:
Thanks for identifying yourself. For the longest time I thought I was the only one in Canada and for some reason I am comforted to know that there are others - all in Ontario. If there are any other Canadians lurking out there, please drop us a note.

Graham Stewart
Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
Kingston Ontario



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of mike wilson
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:47 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket

Hi Graham, Patrick, Phil, et al: FYI I am a forth Rhodie in Canada and
located in Oshawa. I've been quietly monitoring "the list" since last fall
and really appreciate the advice and maintenance tips from the more
experienced Rhodies out there. Keep up the good work.
Cheers to all.
Mike

On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 2:56 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca<mailto:gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>> wrote:

Patrick:

Glad to hear that there is another Rhodie in Canada. I thought Phil
Gautier and I were the only ones.

I replaced my gasket last year but was unable to find the proper neoprene.
I finally got some neoprene from a neighbor but it wasn't smooth surfaced
so it leaked no matter how many bolts I added. I finally stopped the leaks
by using butyl tape - not an ideal solution, but it worked well. Butyl is
an excellent sealant but has very low adhesive qualities so it should be
easy to remove in the future should that be necessary. The tape is about
3/4" wide but I only used about half of that on both sides of the gasket as
I didn't want to have it squeeze into the centerboard slot. I would not use
the butyl that comes in a tube. In fact only use the butyl if you can't get
the proper neoprene.


Graham Stewart
Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
Kingston Ontario.


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
Of Patrick Cheung
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:11 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket

Gary,

I found the perfect one from Amazon but they won?t ship to Canada. Gonna
keep looking.

Thx, Patrick



On Aug 17, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net<mailto:gjnovotny at comcast.net>> wrote:

Patrick,

When I did my centerboard trunk maintenance four years ago I used
neoprene sheet I bought off of Amazon. It seems to have worked well.

Gary

Moon shadow 1978 R22


On 8/17/2018 11:50 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
Dear Rhodies,

It is time to repair the center board. I reached out to Stan for a
piece of
the rubber but he is super busy right now.

I seems to recall some Rhodies may have extra rubber left over from
their
repair. I am hoping I can buy a stripe off you, if you are willing to
sell.

Patrick
Duck, '84
Lake Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
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From gjnovotny at comcast.net  Sat Aug 18 14:40:23 2018
From: gjnovotny at comcast.net (Gary Novotny)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 14:40:23 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
In-Reply-To: <00bf01d43714$36ab8130$a4028390$@ca>
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Yep, totally agree that things bedded with urethane sealants are a bitch 
to remove. Only use this stuff as a last resort if you can?t find proper 
gasket material. Also I'd be sure the pendant and? all blocks are in 
excellent condition. If not, definitely replace. The problem I see with 
Butyl for this application is that it has no adhesive properties , so 
you are counting on the cap to trunk compression to keep it sealed and 
it?s not resilient like a neoprene gasket. If the trunk is subject to 
any significant flexing at all then the compression seal could start to 
develop leaks. If I did use Butyl tape, I'd keep a close eye on it. One 
good thing is that Butyl tape would be VERY easy to replace.

Gary


On 8/18/2018 12:55 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
> Like Gary I used butyl extensively as a bedding material for my hardware and it is a dream to use compared to other sealants. The only place below the waterline where I used it was the centerboard cap and only then because I was getting desperate to find a solution. Gary's cautionary note is  good reason to keep looking for the proper neoprene - something I will do if/when the butyl fails or I have to remove the cap for any other reason.
>
> 4200 sealant is easier to remove than 5200, which is almost impossible without destroying the parts,  but would still be extremely difficult - especially for such a large area. When I bought my boat a previous owner had used one of those high-adhesive sealants  and I spent literally days getting the cap off using a torch to heat a large knife that I slowly moved along the join. Even then I still broke the cap into two pieces and had to make extensive repairs to the cap and the base.
>
> I don't know if there is anything like butyl that has low adhesive characteristics and is still rated for below the waterline use.
>
> For the time being the butyl is working but I will let the list know if it begins to fail - assuming the boat doesn't sink and take me with it.
>
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Gary Novotny
> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:38 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>
> Guys,
>
> I love Butyl tape, it's really great as a bedding compound. I completed
> the first round of restoration on a boat (not my Rhodes) three months
> ago and I used this stuff extensively for all the deck fittings and a
> hatch. Butyl tape like all sealants needs a clean surface so use Remov
> or DeBond first if the surface has prior sealant contamination. I can't
> say enough good things about the ease of Butyl tape installation and
> cleanup. All the leaking fittings are fixed now. It is too early for me
> to report on longevity, but others have had very good results and when
> you do need to re-bed its easy.
>
> I wouldn't be comfortable using this below the waterline however. If you
> can't get neoprene sheet, you might be better off resorting to a
> traditional moderately adhesive sealant like 3M 4200. (Do NOT use 5200)
>
> Just my 2cents.
>
> Gary
>
>
> On 8/17/2018 2:56 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
>> Patrick:
>>
>> Glad to hear that there is another Rhodie in Canada. I thought Phil Gautier and I were the only ones.
>>
>> I replaced my gasket last year but was unable to find the proper neoprene. I finally got some neoprene from a neighbor but it wasn't smooth surfaced so it leaked no matter how many bolts I added. I finally stopped the leaks by using butyl tape - not an ideal solution, but it worked well. Butyl is an excellent sealant but has very low adhesive qualities so it should be easy to remove in the future should that be necessary. The tape is about 3/4" wide but I only used about half of that on both sides of the gasket as I didn't want to have it squeeze into the centerboard slot. I would not use the butyl that comes in a tube. In fact only use the butyl if you can't get the proper neoprene.
>>
>>
>> Graham Stewart
>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
>> Kingston Ontario.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Cheung
>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:11 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>>
>> Gary,
>>
>> I found the perfect one from Amazon but they won?t ship to Canada. Gonna keep looking.
>>
>> Thx, Patrick
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 17, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Patrick,
>>>
>>> When I did my centerboard trunk maintenance four years ago I used neoprene sheet I bought off of Amazon. It seems to have worked well.
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>> Moon shadow 1978 R22
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 8/17/2018 11:50 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
>>>> Dear Rhodies,
>>>>
>>>> It is time to repair the center board. I reached out to Stan for a piece of
>>>> the rubber but he is super busy right now.
>>>>
>>>> I seems to recall some Rhodies may have extra rubber left over from their
>>>> repair. I am hoping I can buy a stripe off you, if you are willing to sell.
>>>>
>>>> Patrick
>>>> Duck, '84
>>>> Lake Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>>
>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Gary Novotny
>>> 7309 S Indian River Drive
>>> Fort Pierce Florida 34982
>>> 772-4660956 home
>>> 772-9715753 cell
>>> gjnovotny at comcast.net
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>
>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>> __________________________________________________
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>
>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>> __________________________________________________
>>
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>
>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>> __________________________________________________

-- 
Gary Novotny
7309 S Indian River Drive
Fort Pierce Florida 34982
772-4660956 home
772-9715753 cell
gjnovotny at comcast.net


From chitakcheung at gmail.com  Sat Aug 18 16:38:30 2018
From: chitakcheung at gmail.com (Patrick Cheung)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 16:38:30 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
In-Reply-To: <84122f5e-f4d5-a10b-1086-cce1d753b908@comcast.net>
References: <CANexfAn58=E7JwS08XiCL3vxVUNFhrOzv8RP6Qxmg6iKgRCQig@mail.gmail.com>
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 <79AC0F64-8E71-45CF-BF2F-3E8E76D444F4@gmail.com>
 <00a501d4365c$0dc28510$29478f30$@ca>
 <f2d4e529-56c8-7a65-dffe-22b4b59f4bb3@comcast.net>
 <00bf01d43714$36ab8130$a4028390$@ca>
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Graham,

This is the direct quote from Stan, this morning.

(We found 3/16" or 1/4" neoprene, *without using any sealants,* works best
and lasts forever.

I'm getting close to finding the neoprene. Thanks to all for suggestions
and advises.

patrick

On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 2:40 PM Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net> wrote:

> Yep, totally agree that things bedded with urethane sealants are a bitch
> to remove. Only use this stuff as a last resort if you can?t find proper
> gasket material. Also I'd be sure the pendant and  all blocks are in
> excellent condition. If not, definitely replace. The problem I see with
> Butyl for this application is that it has no adhesive properties , so
> you are counting on the cap to trunk compression to keep it sealed and
> it?s not resilient like a neoprene gasket. If the trunk is subject to
> any significant flexing at all then the compression seal could start to
> develop leaks. If I did use Butyl tape, I'd keep a close eye on it. One
> good thing is that Butyl tape would be VERY easy to replace.
>
> Gary
>
>
> On 8/18/2018 12:55 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
> > Like Gary I used butyl extensively as a bedding material for my hardware
> and it is a dream to use compared to other sealants. The only place below
> the waterline where I used it was the centerboard cap and only then because
> I was getting desperate to find a solution. Gary's cautionary note is  good
> reason to keep looking for the proper neoprene - something I will do
> if/when the butyl fails or I have to remove the cap for any other reason.
> >
> > 4200 sealant is easier to remove than 5200, which is almost impossible
> without destroying the parts,  but would still be extremely difficult -
> especially for such a large area. When I bought my boat a previous owner
> had used one of those high-adhesive sealants  and I spent literally days
> getting the cap off using a torch to heat a large knife that I slowly moved
> along the join. Even then I still broke the cap into two pieces and had to
> make extensive repairs to the cap and the base.
> >
> > I don't know if there is anything like butyl that has low adhesive
> characteristics and is still rated for below the waterline use.
> >
> > For the time being the butyl is working but I will let the list know if
> it begins to fail - assuming the boat doesn't sink and take me with it.
> >
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> > Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> > Kingston Ontario
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf Of Gary Novotny
> > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:38 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
> >
> > Guys,
> >
> > I love Butyl tape, it's really great as a bedding compound. I completed
> > the first round of restoration on a boat (not my Rhodes) three months
> > ago and I used this stuff extensively for all the deck fittings and a
> > hatch. Butyl tape like all sealants needs a clean surface so use Remov
> > or DeBond first if the surface has prior sealant contamination. I can't
> > say enough good things about the ease of Butyl tape installation and
> > cleanup. All the leaking fittings are fixed now. It is too early for me
> > to report on longevity, but others have had very good results and when
> > you do need to re-bed its easy.
> >
> > I wouldn't be comfortable using this below the waterline however. If you
> > can't get neoprene sheet, you might be better off resorting to a
> > traditional moderately adhesive sealant like 3M 4200. (Do NOT use 5200)
> >
> > Just my 2cents.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> > On 8/17/2018 2:56 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
> >> Patrick:
> >>
> >> Glad to hear that there is another Rhodie in Canada. I thought Phil
> Gautier and I were the only ones.
> >>
> >> I replaced my gasket last year but was unable to find the proper
> neoprene. I finally got some neoprene from a neighbor but it wasn't smooth
> surfaced so it leaked no matter how many bolts I added. I finally stopped
> the leaks by using butyl tape - not an ideal solution, but it worked well.
> Butyl is an excellent sealant but has very low adhesive qualities so it
> should be easy to remove in the future should that be necessary. The tape
> is about 3/4" wide but I only used about half of that on both sides of the
> gasket as I didn't want to have it squeeze into the centerboard slot. I
> would not use the butyl that comes in a tube. In fact only use the butyl if
> you can't get the proper neoprene.
> >>
> >>
> >> Graham Stewart
> >> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> >> Kingston Ontario.
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf Of Patrick Cheung
> >> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:11 PM
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
> >>
> >> Gary,
> >>
> >> I found the perfect one from Amazon but they won?t ship to Canada.
> Gonna keep looking.
> >>
> >> Thx, Patrick
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Aug 17, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Patrick,
> >>>
> >>> When I did my centerboard trunk maintenance four years ago I used
> neoprene sheet I bought off of Amazon. It seems to have worked well.
> >>>
> >>> Gary
> >>>
> >>> Moon shadow 1978 R22
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 8/17/2018 11:50 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
> >>>> Dear Rhodies,
> >>>>
> >>>> It is time to repair the center board. I reached out to Stan for a
> piece of
> >>>> the rubber but he is super busy right now.
> >>>>
> >>>> I seems to recall some Rhodies may have extra rubber left over from
> their
> >>>> repair. I am hoping I can buy a stripe off you, if you are willing to
> sell.
> >>>>
> >>>> Patrick
> >>>> Duck, '84
> >>>> Lake Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
> >>>> __________________________________________________
> >>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>>>
> >>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>>> __________________________________________________
> >>>>
> >>> --
> >>> Gary Novotny
> >>> 7309 S Indian River Drive
> >>> Fort Pierce Florida 34982
> >>> 772-4660956 home
> >>> 772-9715753 cell
> >>> gjnovotny at comcast.net
> >>>
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>>
> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>
> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> __________________________________________________
> >>
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
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> >>
> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> __________________________________________________
>
> --
> Gary Novotny
> 7309 S Indian River Drive
> Fort Pierce Florida 34982
> 772-4660956 home
> 772-9715753 cell
> gjnovotny at comcast.net
>
> __________________________________________________
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>
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>

From stan at rhodes22.com  Sat Aug 18 17:05:55 2018
From: stan at rhodes22.com (Stan Spitzer)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 17:05:55 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Canadian Rhodes
In-Reply-To: <00c901d4371d$6d0c5110$4724f330$@ca>
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I remember that show because it turned me from a Canadianphile to a 
Canadianphobe.? I was at the show explaining all the new features on 
this new US sailboat when the police came and dragged me off to some 
gov. island where I was kept in dark until someone found time to tell me 
what was going on.? Seems I was accused of handing out free literature 
brought into the country without paying taxes on it. There was no tax on 
the boat since that was leaving the country after the show but they did 
not think I would be able to retrieve the handouts.? Never went back to 
the Toronto in the water show again which I suspect was the plan.

We normally use 3/16".? Don't know the specs but while hard, it is soft 
enough to see a movement in the edges that extend beyond the cb cap when 
sufficient pressure has been applied through machine screw tightening.? 
The kit comes with 50 machine screws, 50 lock nuts and 100 fender 
washers for $200, plus bail money.

stan

On 8/18/18 2:01 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
> Stan:
>
> I thought there should be more Rhodes in Canada. The first time I saw the R22 was at the Toronto Boat Show in about 1972. I would have loved to have bought one then but the selling price for the boat and trailer was $5500 and that was way beyond anything I could afford. I kept the write-up materials and brought them out to re-read frequently over the years. I found my used boat in about 1994 and considered myself very lucky to have found one. At that point I had been sailing for years and had never seen the R22.
>
> As for the neoprene, what specifications should we search for - ie type and thickness?
>
> Thanks for a great boat,
>   
> Graham Stewart
> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Stan Spitzer
> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 1:00 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Canadian Rhodes
>
> After 50 years we have more coast to coast Canadian Rhodies than we know
> of; never having tried to keep track of their movements from owner to
> owner over the years.
>
> Re a cb gasket, while we have them, at $75 and the cost of getting to
> Canada, you will probably be better served locally or via an internet order.
>
> stan
>
> On 8/18/18 12:49 PM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
>> It?s great to know all these Canadians appreciating the Rhodes.
>>
>> I continue to source the neoprene. I?m asking my US friend if she will receive and redirect the neoprene up north. I thought we have free trade.
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>>> On Aug 18, 2018, at 12:28 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mike:
>>> Thanks for identifying yourself. For the longest time I thought I was the only one in Canada and for some reason I am comforted to know that there are others - all in Ontario. If there are any other Canadians lurking out there, please drop us a note.
>>>
>>> Graham Stewart
>>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
>>> Kingston Ontario
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of mike wilson
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:47 AM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>>>
>>> Hi Graham, Patrick, Phil, et al: FYI I am a forth Rhodie in Canada and
>>> located in Oshawa. I've been quietly monitoring "the list" since last fall
>>> and really appreciate the advice and maintenance tips from the more
>>> experienced Rhodies out there. Keep up the good work.
>>> Cheers to all.
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 2:56 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Patrick:
>>>>
>>>> Glad to hear that there is another Rhodie in Canada. I thought Phil
>>>> Gautier and I were the only ones.
>>>>
>>>> I replaced my gasket last year but was unable to find the proper neoprene.
>>>> I finally got some neoprene from a neighbor but it wasn't smooth surfaced
>>>> so it leaked no matter how many bolts I added. I finally stopped the leaks
>>>> by using butyl tape - not an ideal solution, but it worked well. Butyl is
>>>> an excellent sealant but has very low adhesive qualities so it should be
>>>> easy to remove in the future should that be necessary. The tape is about
>>>> 3/4" wide but I only used about half of that on both sides of the gasket as
>>>> I didn't want to have it squeeze into the centerboard slot. I would not use
>>>> the butyl that comes in a tube. In fact only use the butyl if you can't get
>>>> the proper neoprene.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Graham Stewart
>>>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
>>>> Kingston Ontario.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
>>>> Of Patrick Cheung
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:11 PM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>>>>
>>>> Gary,
>>>>
>>>> I found the perfect one from Amazon but they won?t ship to Canada. Gonna
>>>> keep looking.
>>>>
>>>> Thx, Patrick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 17, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Patrick,
>>>>>
>>>>> When I did my centerboard trunk maintenance four years ago I used
>>>> neoprene sheet I bought off of Amazon. It seems to have worked well.
>>>>> Gary
>>>>>
>>>>> Moon shadow 1978 R22
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/17/2018 11:50 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
>>>>>> Dear Rhodies,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is time to repair the center board. I reached out to Stan for a
>>>> piece of
>>>>>> the rubber but he is super busy right now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I seems to recall some Rhodies may have extra rubber left over from
>>>> their
>>>>>> repair. I am hoping I can buy a stripe off you, if you are willing to
>>>> sell.
>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>> Duck, '84
>>>>>> Lake Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
>>>>>>


From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Sat Aug 18 18:24:07 2018
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 18:24:07 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Canadian Rhodes
In-Reply-To: <3d1f1ed0-5fc0-201c-63aa-b51d111d98a9@rhodes22.com>
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Stan:
On behalf of all Canadians and in particular the Rhodies I must  apologize profusely for the shabby treatment you experienced with Canadian officials. It is truly embarrassing to know that such an iconic boat builder faced such ridiculous obstacles. 

On the other hand, knowing that I now possess an early and bootleg copy of the R22 information literature is exciting. I figure it must be very valuable given its historic interest.


Graham Stewart
Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
Kingston Ontario




-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Stan Spitzer
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 5:06 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Canadian Rhodes


I remember that show because it turned me from a Canadianphile to a 
Canadianphobe.  I was at the show explaining all the new features on 
this new US sailboat when the police came and dragged me off to some 
gov. island where I was kept in dark until someone found time to tell me 
what was going on.  Seems I was accused of handing out free literature 
brought into the country without paying taxes on it. There was no tax on 
the boat since that was leaving the country after the show but they did 
not think I would be able to retrieve the handouts.  Never went back to 
the Toronto in the water show again which I suspect was the plan.

We normally use 3/16".  Don't know the specs but while hard, it is soft 
enough to see a movement in the edges that extend beyond the cb cap when 
sufficient pressure has been applied through machine screw tightening.  
The kit comes with 50 machine screws, 50 lock nuts and 100 fender 
washers for $200, plus bail money.

stan

On 8/18/18 2:01 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
> Stan:
>
> I thought there should be more Rhodes in Canada. The first time I saw the R22 was at the Toronto Boat Show in about 1972. I would have loved to have bought one then but the selling price for the boat and trailer was $5500 and that was way beyond anything I could afford. I kept the write-up materials and brought them out to re-read frequently over the years. I found my used boat in about 1994 and considered myself very lucky to have found one. At that point I had been sailing for years and had never seen the R22.
>
> As for the neoprene, what specifications should we search for - ie type and thickness?
>
> Thanks for a great boat,
>   
> Graham Stewart
> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Stan Spitzer
> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 1:00 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Canadian Rhodes
>
> After 50 years we have more coast to coast Canadian Rhodies than we know
> of; never having tried to keep track of their movements from owner to
> owner over the years.
>
> Re a cb gasket, while we have them, at $75 and the cost of getting to
> Canada, you will probably be better served locally or via an internet order.
>
> stan
>
> On 8/18/18 12:49 PM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
>> It?s great to know all these Canadians appreciating the Rhodes.
>>
>> I continue to source the neoprene. I?m asking my US friend if she will receive and redirect the neoprene up north. I thought we have free trade.
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>>> On Aug 18, 2018, at 12:28 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mike:
>>> Thanks for identifying yourself. For the longest time I thought I was the only one in Canada and for some reason I am comforted to know that there are others - all in Ontario. If there are any other Canadians lurking out there, please drop us a note.
>>>
>>> Graham Stewart
>>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
>>> Kingston Ontario
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of mike wilson
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:47 AM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>>>
>>> Hi Graham, Patrick, Phil, et al: FYI I am a forth Rhodie in Canada and
>>> located in Oshawa. I've been quietly monitoring "the list" since last fall
>>> and really appreciate the advice and maintenance tips from the more
>>> experienced Rhodies out there. Keep up the good work.
>>> Cheers to all.
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 2:56 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Patrick:
>>>>
>>>> Glad to hear that there is another Rhodie in Canada. I thought Phil
>>>> Gautier and I were the only ones.
>>>>
>>>> I replaced my gasket last year but was unable to find the proper neoprene.
>>>> I finally got some neoprene from a neighbor but it wasn't smooth surfaced
>>>> so it leaked no matter how many bolts I added. I finally stopped the leaks
>>>> by using butyl tape - not an ideal solution, but it worked well. Butyl is
>>>> an excellent sealant but has very low adhesive qualities so it should be
>>>> easy to remove in the future should that be necessary. The tape is about
>>>> 3/4" wide but I only used about half of that on both sides of the gasket as
>>>> I didn't want to have it squeeze into the centerboard slot. I would not use
>>>> the butyl that comes in a tube. In fact only use the butyl if you can't get
>>>> the proper neoprene.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Graham Stewart
>>>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
>>>> Kingston Ontario.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
>>>> Of Patrick Cheung
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:11 PM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>>>>
>>>> Gary,
>>>>
>>>> I found the perfect one from Amazon but they won?t ship to Canada. Gonna
>>>> keep looking.
>>>>
>>>> Thx, Patrick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 17, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Patrick,
>>>>>
>>>>> When I did my centerboard trunk maintenance four years ago I used
>>>> neoprene sheet I bought off of Amazon. It seems to have worked well.
>>>>> Gary
>>>>>
>>>>> Moon shadow 1978 R22
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/17/2018 11:50 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
>>>>>> Dear Rhodies,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is time to repair the center board. I reached out to Stan for a
>>>> piece of
>>>>>> the rubber but he is super busy right now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I seems to recall some Rhodies may have extra rubber left over from
>>>> their
>>>>>> repair. I am hoping I can buy a stripe off you, if you are willing to
>>>> sell.
>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>> Duck, '84
>>>>>> Lake Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
>>>>>>

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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Sat Aug 18 18:40:44 2018
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 18:40:44 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
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Just so that there is no confusion, I did make a neoprene gasket and it is installed. It is 3/16 thick but has a fine ribbed pattern that I think did not compress enough to make a perfect seal. It might also be too hard. So I am only using the butyl to give the neoprene a smoother surface - not substituting the neoprene with the butyl. Nevertheless, I think I will replace the gasket when I can find a Canadian source.

Another issue that might explain my difficulty getting a good seal is that it looks to me like the flange on the cap might have been trimmed at some point. The lip is only about 1 1/4 inch wide and allows for only a single row of bolts. The base is quite a bit wider and appears to have had a second row of bolts at some point. It makes sense that both parts would be the same width.

I really don't want to take this apart again to replace the gasket and rebuild the cap.

Graham

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Gary Novotny
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 2:40 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket

Yep, totally agree that things bedded with urethane sealants are a bitch 
to remove. Only use this stuff as a last resort if you can?t find proper 
gasket material. Also I'd be sure the pendant and  all blocks are in 
excellent condition. If not, definitely replace. The problem I see with 
Butyl for this application is that it has no adhesive properties , so 
you are counting on the cap to trunk compression to keep it sealed and 
it?s not resilient like a neoprene gasket. If the trunk is subject to 
any significant flexing at all then the compression seal could start to 
develop leaks. If I did use Butyl tape, I'd keep a close eye on it. One 
good thing is that Butyl tape would be VERY easy to replace.

Gary


On 8/18/2018 12:55 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
> Like Gary I used butyl extensively as a bedding material for my hardware and it is a dream to use compared to other sealants. The only place below the waterline where I used it was the centerboard cap and only then because I was getting desperate to find a solution. Gary's cautionary note is  good reason to keep looking for the proper neoprene - something I will do if/when the butyl fails or I have to remove the cap for any other reason.
>
> 4200 sealant is easier to remove than 5200, which is almost impossible without destroying the parts,  but would still be extremely difficult - especially for such a large area. When I bought my boat a previous owner had used one of those high-adhesive sealants  and I spent literally days getting the cap off using a torch to heat a large knife that I slowly moved along the join. Even then I still broke the cap into two pieces and had to make extensive repairs to the cap and the base.
>
> I don't know if there is anything like butyl that has low adhesive characteristics and is still rated for below the waterline use.
>
> For the time being the butyl is working but I will let the list know if it begins to fail - assuming the boat doesn't sink and take me with it.
>
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Gary Novotny
> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:38 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>
> Guys,
>
> I love Butyl tape, it's really great as a bedding compound. I completed
> the first round of restoration on a boat (not my Rhodes) three months
> ago and I used this stuff extensively for all the deck fittings and a
> hatch. Butyl tape like all sealants needs a clean surface so use Remov
> or DeBond first if the surface has prior sealant contamination. I can't
> say enough good things about the ease of Butyl tape installation and
> cleanup. All the leaking fittings are fixed now. It is too early for me
> to report on longevity, but others have had very good results and when
> you do need to re-bed its easy.
>
> I wouldn't be comfortable using this below the waterline however. If you
> can't get neoprene sheet, you might be better off resorting to a
> traditional moderately adhesive sealant like 3M 4200. (Do NOT use 5200)
>
> Just my 2cents.
>
> Gary
>
>
> On 8/17/2018 2:56 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
>> Patrick:
>>
>> Glad to hear that there is another Rhodie in Canada. I thought Phil Gautier and I were the only ones.
>>
>> I replaced my gasket last year but was unable to find the proper neoprene. I finally got some neoprene from a neighbor but it wasn't smooth surfaced so it leaked no matter how many bolts I added. I finally stopped the leaks by using butyl tape - not an ideal solution, but it worked well. Butyl is an excellent sealant but has very low adhesive qualities so it should be easy to remove in the future should that be necessary. The tape is about 3/4" wide but I only used about half of that on both sides of the gasket as I didn't want to have it squeeze into the centerboard slot. I would not use the butyl that comes in a tube. In fact only use the butyl if you can't get the proper neoprene.
>>
>>
>> Graham Stewart
>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
>> Kingston Ontario.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Cheung
>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:11 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>>
>> Gary,
>>
>> I found the perfect one from Amazon but they won?t ship to Canada. Gonna keep looking.
>>
>> Thx, Patrick
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 17, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Patrick,
>>>
>>> When I did my centerboard trunk maintenance four years ago I used neoprene sheet I bought off of Amazon. It seems to have worked well.
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>> Moon shadow 1978 R22
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 8/17/2018 11:50 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
>>>> Dear Rhodies,
>>>>
>>>> It is time to repair the center board. I reached out to Stan for a piece of
>>>> the rubber but he is super busy right now.
>>>>
>>>> I seems to recall some Rhodies may have extra rubber left over from their
>>>> repair. I am hoping I can buy a stripe off you, if you are willing to sell.
>>>>
>>>> Patrick
>>>> Duck, '84
>>>> Lake Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
>>>> __________________________________________________
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>>>>
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>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Gary Novotny
>>> 7309 S Indian River Drive
>>> Fort Pierce Florida 34982
>>> 772-4660956 home
>>> 772-9715753 cell
>>> gjnovotny at comcast.net
>>>
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From stan at rhodes22.com  Sat Aug 18 19:13:37 2018
From: stan at rhodes22.com (Stan Spitzer)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 19:13:37 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Canadian Rhodes
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Graham, That was long ago.? Today the shoe is on the other foot. ? I 
apologize for our recreational lying president (he can't help it, It is 
just a sport with him).? It is His stand and actions re Canada that is 
ridiculous.

According to custom, you have to wait til I die for? Rhodes memorabilia 
to gather any value.? Patience, I am working on that.

stan

On 8/18/18 6:24 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
> Stan:
> On behalf of all Canadians and in particular the Rhodies I must  apologize profusely for the shabby treatment you experienced with Canadian officials. It is truly embarrassing to know that such an iconic boat builder faced such ridiculous obstacles.
>
> On the other hand, knowing that I now possess an early and bootleg copy of the R22 information literature is exciting. I figure it must be very valuable given its historic interest.
>
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Stan Spitzer
> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 5:06 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Canadian Rhodes
>
>
> I remember that show because it turned me from a Canadianphile to a
> Canadianphobe.  I was at the show explaining all the new features on
> this new US sailboat when the police came and dragged me off to some
> gov. island where I was kept in dark until someone found time to tell me
> what was going on.  Seems I was accused of handing out free literature
> brought into the country without paying taxes on it. There was no tax on
> the boat since that was leaving the country after the show but they did
> not think I would be able to retrieve the handouts.  Never went back to
> the Toronto in the water show again which I suspect was the plan.
>
> We normally use 3/16".  Don't know the specs but while hard, it is soft
> enough to see a movement in the edges that extend beyond the cb cap when
> sufficient pressure has been applied through machine screw tightening.
> The kit comes with 50 machine screws, 50 lock nuts and 100 fender
> washers for $200, plus bail money.
>
> stan
>
> On 8/18/18 2:01 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
>> Stan:
>>
>> I thought there should be more Rhodes in Canada. The first time I saw the R22 was at the Toronto Boat Show in about 1972. I would have loved to have bought one then but the selling price for the boat and trailer was $5500 and that was way beyond anything I could afford. I kept the write-up materials and brought them out to re-read frequently over the years. I found my used boat in about 1994 and considered myself very lucky to have found one. At that point I had been sailing for years and had never seen the R22.
>>
>> As for the neoprene, what specifications should we search for - ie type and thickness?
>>
>> Thanks for a great boat,
>>    
>> Graham Stewart
>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
>> Kingston Ontario
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Stan Spitzer
>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 1:00 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Canadian Rhodes
>>
>> After 50 years we have more coast to coast Canadian Rhodies than we know
>> of; never having tried to keep track of their movements from owner to
>> owner over the years.
>>
>> Re a cb gasket, while we have them, at $75 and the cost of getting to
>> Canada, you will probably be better served locally or via an internet order.
>>
>> stan
>>
>> On 8/18/18 12:49 PM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
>>> It?s great to know all these Canadians appreciating the Rhodes.
>>>
>>> I continue to source the neoprene. I?m asking my US friend if she will receive and redirect the neoprene up north. I thought we have free trade.
>>>
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>>> On Aug 18, 2018, at 12:28 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Mike:
>>>> Thanks for identifying yourself. For the longest time I thought I was the only one in Canada and for some reason I am comforted to know that there are others - all in Ontario. If there are any other Canadians lurking out there, please drop us a note.
>>>>
>>>> Graham Stewart
>>>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
>>>> Kingston Ontario
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of mike wilson
>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:47 AM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>>>>
>>>> Hi Graham, Patrick, Phil, et al: FYI I am a forth Rhodie in Canada and
>>>> located in Oshawa. I've been quietly monitoring "the list" since last fall
>>>> and really appreciate the advice and maintenance tips from the more
>>>> experienced Rhodies out there. Keep up the good work.
>>>> Cheers to all.
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 2:56 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Patrick:
>>>>>
>>>>> Glad to hear that there is another Rhodie in Canada. I thought Phil
>>>>> Gautier and I were the only ones.
>>>>>
>>>>> I replaced my gasket last year but was unable to find the proper neoprene.
>>>>> I finally got some neoprene from a neighbor but it wasn't smooth surfaced
>>>>> so it leaked no matter how many bolts I added. I finally stopped the leaks
>>>>> by using butyl tape - not an ideal solution, but it worked well. Butyl is
>>>>> an excellent sealant but has very low adhesive qualities so it should be
>>>>> easy to remove in the future should that be necessary. The tape is about
>>>>> 3/4" wide but I only used about half of that on both sides of the gasket as
>>>>> I didn't want to have it squeeze into the centerboard slot. I would not use
>>>>> the butyl that comes in a tube. In fact only use the butyl if you can't get
>>>>> the proper neoprene.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Graham Stewart
>>>>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
>>>>> Kingston Ontario.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
>>>>> Of Patrick Cheung
>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:11 PM
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>>>>>
>>>>> Gary,
>>>>>
>>>>> I found the perfect one from Amazon but they won?t ship to Canada. Gonna
>>>>> keep looking.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thx, Patrick
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Patrick,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I did my centerboard trunk maintenance four years ago I used
>>>>> neoprene sheet I bought off of Amazon. It seems to have worked well.
>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Moon shadow 1978 R22
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/17/2018 11:50 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
>>>>>>> Dear Rhodies,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is time to repair the center board. I reached out to Stan for a
>>>>> piece of
>>>>>>> the rubber but he is super busy right now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I seems to recall some Rhodies may have extra rubber left over from
>>>>> their
>>>>>>> repair. I am hoping I can buy a stripe off you, if you are willing to
>>>>> sell.
>>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>> Duck, '84
>>>>>>> Lake Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
>>>>>>>
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From luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com  Sat Aug 18 19:20:09 2018
From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com (Luis Guzman)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 19:20:09 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
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 <f2d4e529-56c8-7a65-dffe-22b4b59f4bb3@comcast.net>
 <00bf01d43714$36ab8130$a4028390$@ca>
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MSC Industrial Supply has neoprene.

https://www.mscdirect.com

Luis
S/V 1983 Aquetxali


On Sat, Aug 18, 2018, 6:40 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> Just so that there is no confusion, I did make a neoprene gasket and it is
> installed. It is 3/16 thick but has a fine ribbed pattern that I think did
> not compress enough to make a perfect seal. It might also be too hard. So I
> am only using the butyl to give the neoprene a smoother surface - not
> substituting the neoprene with the butyl. Nevertheless, I think I will
> replace the gasket when I can find a Canadian source.
>
> Another issue that might explain my difficulty getting a good seal is that
> it looks to me like the flange on the cap might have been trimmed at some
> point. The lip is only about 1 1/4 inch wide and allows for only a single
> row of bolts. The base is quite a bit wider and appears to have had a
> second row of bolts at some point. It makes sense that both parts would be
> the same width.
>
> I really don't want to take this apart again to replace the gasket and
> rebuild the cap.
>
> Graham
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of Gary Novotny
> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 2:40 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>
> Yep, totally agree that things bedded with urethane sealants are a bitch
> to remove. Only use this stuff as a last resort if you can?t find proper
> gasket material. Also I'd be sure the pendant and  all blocks are in
> excellent condition. If not, definitely replace. The problem I see with
> Butyl for this application is that it has no adhesive properties , so
> you are counting on the cap to trunk compression to keep it sealed and
> it?s not resilient like a neoprene gasket. If the trunk is subject to
> any significant flexing at all then the compression seal could start to
> develop leaks. If I did use Butyl tape, I'd keep a close eye on it. One
> good thing is that Butyl tape would be VERY easy to replace.
>
> Gary
>
>
> On 8/18/2018 12:55 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
> > Like Gary I used butyl extensively as a bedding material for my hardware
> and it is a dream to use compared to other sealants. The only place below
> the waterline where I used it was the centerboard cap and only then because
> I was getting desperate to find a solution. Gary's cautionary note is  good
> reason to keep looking for the proper neoprene - something I will do
> if/when the butyl fails or I have to remove the cap for any other reason.
> >
> > 4200 sealant is easier to remove than 5200, which is almost impossible
> without destroying the parts,  but would still be extremely difficult -
> especially for such a large area. When I bought my boat a previous owner
> had used one of those high-adhesive sealants  and I spent literally days
> getting the cap off using a torch to heat a large knife that I slowly moved
> along the join. Even then I still broke the cap into two pieces and had to
> make extensive repairs to the cap and the base.
> >
> > I don't know if there is anything like butyl that has low adhesive
> characteristics and is still rated for below the waterline use.
> >
> > For the time being the butyl is working but I will let the list know if
> it begins to fail - assuming the boat doesn't sink and take me with it.
> >
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> > Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> > Kingston Ontario
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf Of Gary Novotny
> > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:38 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
> >
> > Guys,
> >
> > I love Butyl tape, it's really great as a bedding compound. I completed
> > the first round of restoration on a boat (not my Rhodes) three months
> > ago and I used this stuff extensively for all the deck fittings and a
> > hatch. Butyl tape like all sealants needs a clean surface so use Remov
> > or DeBond first if the surface has prior sealant contamination. I can't
> > say enough good things about the ease of Butyl tape installation and
> > cleanup. All the leaking fittings are fixed now. It is too early for me
> > to report on longevity, but others have had very good results and when
> > you do need to re-bed its easy.
> >
> > I wouldn't be comfortable using this below the waterline however. If you
> > can't get neoprene sheet, you might be better off resorting to a
> > traditional moderately adhesive sealant like 3M 4200. (Do NOT use 5200)
> >
> > Just my 2cents.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> > On 8/17/2018 2:56 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
> >> Patrick:
> >>
> >> Glad to hear that there is another Rhodie in Canada. I thought Phil
> Gautier and I were the only ones.
> >>
> >> I replaced my gasket last year but was unable to find the proper
> neoprene. I finally got some neoprene from a neighbor but it wasn't smooth
> surfaced so it leaked no matter how many bolts I added. I finally stopped
> the leaks by using butyl tape - not an ideal solution, but it worked well.
> Butyl is an excellent sealant but has very low adhesive qualities so it
> should be easy to remove in the future should that be necessary. The tape
> is about 3/4" wide but I only used about half of that on both sides of the
> gasket as I didn't want to have it squeeze into the centerboard slot. I
> would not use the butyl that comes in a tube. In fact only use the butyl if
> you can't get the proper neoprene.
> >>
> >>
> >> Graham Stewart
> >> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> >> Kingston Ontario.
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf Of Patrick Cheung
> >> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:11 PM
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
> >>
> >> Gary,
> >>
> >> I found the perfect one from Amazon but they won?t ship to Canada.
> Gonna keep looking.
> >>
> >> Thx, Patrick
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Aug 17, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Patrick,
> >>>
> >>> When I did my centerboard trunk maintenance four years ago I used
> neoprene sheet I bought off of Amazon. It seems to have worked well.
> >>>
> >>> Gary
> >>>
> >>> Moon shadow 1978 R22
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 8/17/2018 11:50 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
> >>>> Dear Rhodies,
> >>>>
> >>>> It is time to repair the center board. I reached out to Stan for a
> piece of
> >>>> the rubber but he is super busy right now.
> >>>>
> >>>> I seems to recall some Rhodies may have extra rubber left over from
> their
> >>>> repair. I am hoping I can buy a stripe off you, if you are willing to
> sell.
> >>>>
> >>>> Patrick
> >>>> Duck, '84
> >>>> Lake Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
> >>>> __________________________________________________
> >>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>>>
> >>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing lis
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=or+the+list+Charter+and+help+with+using+the+mailing+lis&entry=gmail&source=g>t
> and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>>> __________________________________________________
> >>>>
> >>> --
> >>> Gary Novotny
> >>> 7309 S Indian River Drive
> >>> Fort Pierce Florida 34982
> >>> 772-4660956 home
> >>> 772-9715753 cell
> >>> gjnovotny at comcast.net
> >>>
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>>
> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>
> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> __________________________________________________
> >>
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>
> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> __________________________________________________
>
> --
> Gary Novotny
> 7309 S Indian River Drive
> Fort Pierce Florida 34982
> 772-4660956 home
> 772-9715753 cell
> gjnovotny at comcast.net
>
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
>
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
>

From ruckc at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 18 19:25:33 2018
From: ruckc at yahoo.com (Curtis Ruck)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 19:25:33 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
In-Reply-To: <00d101d43744$80329750$8097c5f0$@ca>
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Message-ID: <CAFgGLFfWWq8HMnntGWW4T5off=E1=SNw_F9hx2S_RcN8fkp74g@mail.gmail.com>

I used this from Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003HDILE4/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
on my 1979.  Seems to work, but mine is only in the water ~2-3 hours a
time, and there is always water in the bilge when I start sailing (I
believe due to the cockpit drains getting clogged, and the water making up
and in the cockpit storage, which drains through to the bilge.
--
Curtis


On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 6:40 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> Just so that there is no confusion, I did make a neoprene gasket and it is
> installed. It is 3/16 thick but has a fine ribbed pattern that I think did
> not compress enough to make a perfect seal. It might also be too hard. So I
> am only using the butyl to give the neoprene a smoother surface - not
> substituting the neoprene with the butyl. Nevertheless, I think I will
> replace the gasket when I can find a Canadian source.
>
> Another issue that might explain my difficulty getting a good seal is that
> it looks to me like the flange on the cap might have been trimmed at some
> point. The lip is only about 1 1/4 inch wide and allows for only a single
> row of bolts. The base is quite a bit wider and appears to have had a
> second row of bolts at some point. It makes sense that both parts would be
> the same width.
>
> I really don't want to take this apart again to replace the gasket and
> rebuild the cap.
>
> Graham
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of Gary Novotny
> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 2:40 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>
> Yep, totally agree that things bedded with urethane sealants are a bitch
> to remove. Only use this stuff as a last resort if you can?t find proper
> gasket material. Also I'd be sure the pendant and  all blocks are in
> excellent condition. If not, definitely replace. The problem I see with
> Butyl for this application is that it has no adhesive properties , so
> you are counting on the cap to trunk compression to keep it sealed and
> it?s not resilient like a neoprene gasket. If the trunk is subject to
> any significant flexing at all then the compression seal could start to
> develop leaks. If I did use Butyl tape, I'd keep a close eye on it. One
> good thing is that Butyl tape would be VERY easy to replace.
>
> Gary
>
>
> On 8/18/2018 12:55 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
> > Like Gary I used butyl extensively as a bedding material for my hardware
> and it is a dream to use compared to other sealants. The only place below
> the waterline where I used it was the centerboard cap and only then because
> I was getting desperate to find a solution. Gary's cautionary note is  good
> reason to keep looking for the proper neoprene - something I will do
> if/when the butyl fails or I have to remove the cap for any other reason.
> >
> > 4200 sealant is easier to remove than 5200, which is almost impossible
> without destroying the parts,  but would still be extremely difficult -
> especially for such a large area. When I bought my boat a previous owner
> had used one of those high-adhesive sealants  and I spent literally days
> getting the cap off using a torch to heat a large knife that I slowly moved
> along the join. Even then I still broke the cap into two pieces and had to
> make extensive repairs to the cap and the base.
> >
> > I don't know if there is anything like butyl that has low adhesive
> characteristics and is still rated for below the waterline use.
> >
> > For the time being the butyl is working but I will let the list know if
> it begins to fail - assuming the boat doesn't sink and take me with it.
> >
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> > Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> > Kingston Ontario
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf Of Gary Novotny
> > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:38 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
> >
> > Guys,
> >
> > I love Butyl tape, it's really great as a bedding compound. I completed
> > the first round of restoration on a boat (not my Rhodes) three months
> > ago and I used this stuff extensively for all the deck fittings and a
> > hatch. Butyl tape like all sealants needs a clean surface so use Remov
> > or DeBond first if the surface has prior sealant contamination. I can't
> > say enough good things about the ease of Butyl tape installation and
> > cleanup. All the leaking fittings are fixed now. It is too early for me
> > to report on longevity, but others have had very good results and when
> > you do need to re-bed its easy.
> >
> > I wouldn't be comfortable using this below the waterline however. If you
> > can't get neoprene sheet, you might be better off resorting to a
> > traditional moderately adhesive sealant like 3M 4200. (Do NOT use 5200)
> >
> > Just my 2cents.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> > On 8/17/2018 2:56 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
> >> Patrick:
> >>
> >> Glad to hear that there is another Rhodie in Canada. I thought Phil
> Gautier and I were the only ones.
> >>
> >> I replaced my gasket last year but was unable to find the proper
> neoprene. I finally got some neoprene from a neighbor but it wasn't smooth
> surfaced so it leaked no matter how many bolts I added. I finally stopped
> the leaks by using butyl tape - not an ideal solution, but it worked well.
> Butyl is an excellent sealant but has very low adhesive qualities so it
> should be easy to remove in the future should that be necessary. The tape
> is about 3/4" wide but I only used about half of that on both sides of the
> gasket as I didn't want to have it squeeze into the centerboard slot. I
> would not use the butyl that comes in a tube. In fact only use the butyl if
> you can't get the proper neoprene.
> >>
> >>
> >> Graham Stewart
> >> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> >> Kingston Ontario.
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf Of Patrick Cheung
> >> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:11 PM
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
> >>
> >> Gary,
> >>
> >> I found the perfect one from Amazon but they won?t ship to Canada.
> Gonna keep looking.
> >>
> >> Thx, Patrick
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Aug 17, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Patrick,
> >>>
> >>> When I did my centerboard trunk maintenance four years ago I used
> neoprene sheet I bought off of Amazon. It seems to have worked well.
> >>>
> >>> Gary
> >>>
> >>> Moon shadow 1978 R22
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 8/17/2018 11:50 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
> >>>> Dear Rhodies,
> >>>>
> >>>> It is time to repair the center board. I reached out to Stan for a
> piece of
> >>>> the rubber but he is super busy right now.
> >>>>
> >>>> I seems to recall some Rhodies may have extra rubber left over from
> their
> >>>> repair. I am hoping I can buy a stripe off you, if you are willing to
> sell.
> >>>>
> >>>> Patrick
> >>>> Duck, '84
> >>>> Lake Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
> >>>> __________________________________________________
> >>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>>>
> >>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>>> __________________________________________________
> >>>>
> >>> --
> >>> Gary Novotny
> >>> 7309 S Indian River Drive
> >>> Fort Pierce Florida 34982
> >>> 772-4660956 home
> >>> 772-9715753 cell
> >>> gjnovotny at comcast.net
> >>>
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>>
> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>
> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> __________________________________________________
> >>
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>
> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> __________________________________________________
>
> --
> Gary Novotny
> 7309 S Indian River Drive
> Fort Pierce Florida 34982
> 772-4660956 home
> 772-9715753 cell
> gjnovotny at comcast.net
>
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
>
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
>

From chitakcheung at gmail.com  Sat Aug 18 20:01:09 2018
From: chitakcheung at gmail.com (Patrick Cheung)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 20:01:09 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
In-Reply-To: <CAFgGLFfWWq8HMnntGWW4T5off=E1=SNw_F9hx2S_RcN8fkp74g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANexfAn58=E7JwS08XiCL3vxVUNFhrOzv8RP6Qxmg6iKgRCQig@mail.gmail.com>
 <1291b206-e9f3-c64c-6e3e-eaf79504fdf4@comcast.net>
 <79AC0F64-8E71-45CF-BF2F-3E8E76D444F4@gmail.com>
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 <f2d4e529-56c8-7a65-dffe-22b4b59f4bb3@comcast.net>
 <00bf01d43714$36ab8130$a4028390$@ca>
 <84122f5e-f4d5-a10b-1086-cce1d753b908@comcast.net>
 <00d101d43744$80329750$8097c5f0$@ca>
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Message-ID: <CANexfAku1nWOGWpsx+oMXyea=om0QoQi-A3NFCu53evD24MPSg@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you for sharing Curtis, I was tempted to use this sponge rubber, but
I chose to stay with solid neoprene. My boat stays in water all summer.

On the subject of wet bilge, when I open up the cap, there is this cute
little V-block, inverted. I think it serves to home in the center board
when it is raised.
Two screws are used to secure this V block, driven through the side wall at
a 45 degree. This is perfect for water coming into the bilge. I found
another rusted screw tip 5 mm away. Now, I can guarantee Stan is incapable
of doing this. My boat is built for Stan, it is NOT built by Stan.
Now, I wonder what Stan use to secure this V block, if any. Perhaps 5200 ?

patrick


On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 7:26 PM Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> I used this from Amazon:
>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003HDILE4/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
> on my 1979.  Seems to work, but mine is only in the water ~2-3 hours a
> time, and there is always water in the bilge when I start sailing (I
> believe due to the cockpit drains getting clogged, and the water making up
> and in the cockpit storage, which drains through to the bilge.
> --
> Curtis
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 6:40 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > Just so that there is no confusion, I did make a neoprene gasket and it
> is
> > installed. It is 3/16 thick but has a fine ribbed pattern that I think
> did
> > not compress enough to make a perfect seal. It might also be too hard.
> So I
> > am only using the butyl to give the neoprene a smoother surface - not
> > substituting the neoprene with the butyl. Nevertheless, I think I will
> > replace the gasket when I can find a Canadian source.
> >
> > Another issue that might explain my difficulty getting a good seal is
> that
> > it looks to me like the flange on the cap might have been trimmed at some
> > point. The lip is only about 1 1/4 inch wide and allows for only a single
> > row of bolts. The base is quite a bit wider and appears to have had a
> > second row of bolts at some point. It makes sense that both parts would
> be
> > the same width.
> >
> > I really don't want to take this apart again to replace the gasket and
> > rebuild the cap.
> >
> > Graham
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf
> > Of Gary Novotny
> > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 2:40 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
> >
> > Yep, totally agree that things bedded with urethane sealants are a bitch
> > to remove. Only use this stuff as a last resort if you can?t find proper
> > gasket material. Also I'd be sure the pendant and  all blocks are in
> > excellent condition. If not, definitely replace. The problem I see with
> > Butyl for this application is that it has no adhesive properties , so
> > you are counting on the cap to trunk compression to keep it sealed and
> > it?s not resilient like a neoprene gasket. If the trunk is subject to
> > any significant flexing at all then the compression seal could start to
> > develop leaks. If I did use Butyl tape, I'd keep a close eye on it. One
> > good thing is that Butyl tape would be VERY easy to replace.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> > On 8/18/2018 12:55 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
> > > Like Gary I used butyl extensively as a bedding material for my
> hardware
> > and it is a dream to use compared to other sealants. The only place below
> > the waterline where I used it was the centerboard cap and only then
> because
> > I was getting desperate to find a solution. Gary's cautionary note is
> good
> > reason to keep looking for the proper neoprene - something I will do
> > if/when the butyl fails or I have to remove the cap for any other reason.
> > >
> > > 4200 sealant is easier to remove than 5200, which is almost impossible
> > without destroying the parts,  but would still be extremely difficult -
> > especially for such a large area. When I bought my boat a previous owner
> > had used one of those high-adhesive sealants  and I spent literally days
> > getting the cap off using a torch to heat a large knife that I slowly
> moved
> > along the join. Even then I still broke the cap into two pieces and had
> to
> > make extensive repairs to the cap and the base.
> > >
> > > I don't know if there is anything like butyl that has low adhesive
> > characteristics and is still rated for below the waterline use.
> > >
> > > For the time being the butyl is working but I will let the list know if
> > it begins to fail - assuming the boat doesn't sink and take me with it.
> > >
> > >
> > > Graham Stewart
> > > Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> > > Kingston Ontario
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> > Behalf Of Gary Novotny
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:38 AM
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
> > >
> > > Guys,
> > >
> > > I love Butyl tape, it's really great as a bedding compound. I completed
> > > the first round of restoration on a boat (not my Rhodes) three months
> > > ago and I used this stuff extensively for all the deck fittings and a
> > > hatch. Butyl tape like all sealants needs a clean surface so use Remov
> > > or DeBond first if the surface has prior sealant contamination. I can't
> > > say enough good things about the ease of Butyl tape installation and
> > > cleanup. All the leaking fittings are fixed now. It is too early for me
> > > to report on longevity, but others have had very good results and when
> > > you do need to re-bed its easy.
> > >
> > > I wouldn't be comfortable using this below the waterline however. If
> you
> > > can't get neoprene sheet, you might be better off resorting to a
> > > traditional moderately adhesive sealant like 3M 4200. (Do NOT use 5200)
> > >
> > > Just my 2cents.
> > >
> > > Gary
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/17/2018 2:56 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
> > >> Patrick:
> > >>
> > >> Glad to hear that there is another Rhodie in Canada. I thought Phil
> > Gautier and I were the only ones.
> > >>
> > >> I replaced my gasket last year but was unable to find the proper
> > neoprene. I finally got some neoprene from a neighbor but it wasn't
> smooth
> > surfaced so it leaked no matter how many bolts I added. I finally stopped
> > the leaks by using butyl tape - not an ideal solution, but it worked
> well.
> > Butyl is an excellent sealant but has very low adhesive qualities so it
> > should be easy to remove in the future should that be necessary. The tape
> > is about 3/4" wide but I only used about half of that on both sides of
> the
> > gasket as I didn't want to have it squeeze into the centerboard slot. I
> > would not use the butyl that comes in a tube. In fact only use the butyl
> if
> > you can't get the proper neoprene.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Graham Stewart
> > >> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> > >> Kingston Ontario.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> > Behalf Of Patrick Cheung
> > >> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:11 PM
> > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
> > >>
> > >> Gary,
> > >>
> > >> I found the perfect one from Amazon but they won?t ship to Canada.
> > Gonna keep looking.
> > >>
> > >> Thx, Patrick
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Aug 17, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Patrick,
> > >>>
> > >>> When I did my centerboard trunk maintenance four years ago I used
> > neoprene sheet I bought off of Amazon. It seems to have worked well.
> > >>>
> > >>> Gary
> > >>>
> > >>> Moon shadow 1978 R22
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> On 8/17/2018 11:50 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
> > >>>> Dear Rhodies,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> It is time to repair the center board. I reached out to Stan for a
> > piece of
> > >>>> the rubber but he is super busy right now.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I seems to recall some Rhodies may have extra rubber left over from
> > their
> > >>>> repair. I am hoping I can buy a stripe off you, if you are willing
> to
> > sell.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Patrick
> > >>>> Duck, '84
> > >>>> Lake Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
> > >>>> __________________________________________________
> > >>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> > >>>>
> > >>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
> > archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > >>>> __________________________________________________
> > >>>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Gary Novotny
> > >>> 7309 S Indian River Drive
> > >>> Fort Pierce Florida 34982
> > >>> 772-4660956 home
> > >>> 772-9715753 cell
> > >>> gjnovotny at comcast.net
> > >>>
> > >>> __________________________________________________
> > >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> > >>>
> > >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
> archives
> > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > >>> __________________________________________________
> > >> __________________________________________________
> > >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> > >>
> > >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > >> __________________________________________________
> > >>
> > >> __________________________________________________
> > >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> > >>
> > >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > >> __________________________________________________
> >
> > --
> > Gary Novotny
> > 7309 S Indian River Drive
> > Fort Pierce Florida 34982
> > 772-4660956 home
> > 772-9715753 cell
> > gjnovotny at comcast.net
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >
> > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
> > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > __________________________________________________
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >
> > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
> > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > __________________________________________________
> >
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
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>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
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>

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Sun Aug 19 08:35:09 2018
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 08:35:09 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Canadian Rhodes
In-Reply-To: <92207def-454b-04a8-4908-49cf6fd2d543@rhodes22.com>
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Message-ID: <00d801d437b9$1107fa80$3317ef80$@ca>

No rush, Stan.
Graham

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Stan Spitzer
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 7:14 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Canadian Rhodes



Graham, That was long ago.  Today the shoe is on the other foot.   I 
apologize for our recreational lying president (he can't help it, It is 
just a sport with him).  It is His stand and actions re Canada that is 
ridiculous.

According to custom, you have to wait til I die for  Rhodes memorabilia 
to gather any value.  Patience, I am working on that.

stan

On 8/18/18 6:24 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
> Stan:
> On behalf of all Canadians and in particular the Rhodies I must  apologize profusely for the shabby treatment you experienced with Canadian officials. It is truly embarrassing to know that such an iconic boat builder faced such ridiculous obstacles.
>
> On the other hand, knowing that I now possess an early and bootleg copy of the R22 information literature is exciting. I figure it must be very valuable given its historic interest.
>
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Stan Spitzer
> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 5:06 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Canadian Rhodes
>
>
> I remember that show because it turned me from a Canadianphile to a
> Canadianphobe.  I was at the show explaining all the new features on
> this new US sailboat when the police came and dragged me off to some
> gov. island where I was kept in dark until someone found time to tell me
> what was going on.  Seems I was accused of handing out free literature
> brought into the country without paying taxes on it. There was no tax on
> the boat since that was leaving the country after the show but they did
> not think I would be able to retrieve the handouts.  Never went back to
> the Toronto in the water show again which I suspect was the plan.
>
> We normally use 3/16".  Don't know the specs but while hard, it is soft
> enough to see a movement in the edges that extend beyond the cb cap when
> sufficient pressure has been applied through machine screw tightening.
> The kit comes with 50 machine screws, 50 lock nuts and 100 fender
> washers for $200, plus bail money.
>
> stan
>
> On 8/18/18 2:01 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
>> Stan:
>>
>> I thought there should be more Rhodes in Canada. The first time I saw the R22 was at the Toronto Boat Show in about 1972. I would have loved to have bought one then but the selling price for the boat and trailer was $5500 and that was way beyond anything I could afford. I kept the write-up materials and brought them out to re-read frequently over the years. I found my used boat in about 1994 and considered myself very lucky to have found one. At that point I had been sailing for years and had never seen the R22.
>>
>> As for the neoprene, what specifications should we search for - ie type and thickness?
>>
>> Thanks for a great boat,
>>    
>> Graham Stewart
>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
>> Kingston Ontario
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Stan Spitzer
>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 1:00 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Canadian Rhodes
>>
>> After 50 years we have more coast to coast Canadian Rhodies than we know
>> of; never having tried to keep track of their movements from owner to
>> owner over the years.
>>
>> Re a cb gasket, while we have them, at $75 and the cost of getting to
>> Canada, you will probably be better served locally or via an internet order.
>>
>> stan
>>
>> On 8/18/18 12:49 PM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
>>> It?s great to know all these Canadians appreciating the Rhodes.
>>>
>>> I continue to source the neoprene. I?m asking my US friend if she will receive and redirect the neoprene up north. I thought we have free trade.
>>>
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>>> On Aug 18, 2018, at 12:28 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Mike:
>>>> Thanks for identifying yourself. For the longest time I thought I was the only one in Canada and for some reason I am comforted to know that there are others - all in Ontario. If there are any other Canadians lurking out there, please drop us a note.
>>>>
>>>> Graham Stewart
>>>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
>>>> Kingston Ontario
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of mike wilson
>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:47 AM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>>>>
>>>> Hi Graham, Patrick, Phil, et al: FYI I am a forth Rhodie in Canada and
>>>> located in Oshawa. I've been quietly monitoring "the list" since last fall
>>>> and really appreciate the advice and maintenance tips from the more
>>>> experienced Rhodies out there. Keep up the good work.
>>>> Cheers to all.
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 2:56 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Patrick:
>>>>>
>>>>> Glad to hear that there is another Rhodie in Canada. I thought Phil
>>>>> Gautier and I were the only ones.
>>>>>
>>>>> I replaced my gasket last year but was unable to find the proper neoprene.
>>>>> I finally got some neoprene from a neighbor but it wasn't smooth surfaced
>>>>> so it leaked no matter how many bolts I added. I finally stopped the leaks
>>>>> by using butyl tape - not an ideal solution, but it worked well. Butyl is
>>>>> an excellent sealant but has very low adhesive qualities so it should be
>>>>> easy to remove in the future should that be necessary. The tape is about
>>>>> 3/4" wide but I only used about half of that on both sides of the gasket as
>>>>> I didn't want to have it squeeze into the centerboard slot. I would not use
>>>>> the butyl that comes in a tube. In fact only use the butyl if you can't get
>>>>> the proper neoprene.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Graham Stewart
>>>>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
>>>>> Kingston Ontario.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
>>>>> Of Patrick Cheung
>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:11 PM
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>>>>>
>>>>> Gary,
>>>>>
>>>>> I found the perfect one from Amazon but they won?t ship to Canada. Gonna
>>>>> keep looking.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thx, Patrick
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Patrick,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I did my centerboard trunk maintenance four years ago I used
>>>>> neoprene sheet I bought off of Amazon. It seems to have worked well.
>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Moon shadow 1978 R22
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/17/2018 11:50 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
>>>>>>> Dear Rhodies,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is time to repair the center board. I reached out to Stan for a
>>>>> piece of
>>>>>>> the rubber but he is super busy right now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I seems to recall some Rhodies may have extra rubber left over from
>>>>> their
>>>>>>> repair. I am hoping I can buy a stripe off you, if you are willing to
>>>>> sell.
>>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>> Duck, '84
>>>>>>> Lake Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
>>>>>>>
> __________________________________________________
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>
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>
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>
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Sun Aug 19 08:41:56 2018
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 08:41:56 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
In-Reply-To: <CAFgGLFfWWq8HMnntGWW4T5off=E1=SNw_F9hx2S_RcN8fkp74g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANexfAn58=E7JwS08XiCL3vxVUNFhrOzv8RP6Qxmg6iKgRCQig@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <00d901d437ba$03c16e00$0b444a00$@ca>

The neoprene that Curtis found looks great but is referred to a "sponge" neoprene. I expect that means it is softer than the usual stuff and might make a better seal assuming that it is closed cell. Does anyone have a more informed opinion than mine on this difference?

Graham

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 7:26 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket

I used this from Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003HDILE4/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
on my 1979.  Seems to work, but mine is only in the water ~2-3 hours a
time, and there is always water in the bilge when I start sailing (I
believe due to the cockpit drains getting clogged, and the water making up
and in the cockpit storage, which drains through to the bilge.
--
Curtis


On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 6:40 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> Just so that there is no confusion, I did make a neoprene gasket and it is
> installed. It is 3/16 thick but has a fine ribbed pattern that I think did
> not compress enough to make a perfect seal. It might also be too hard. So I
> am only using the butyl to give the neoprene a smoother surface - not
> substituting the neoprene with the butyl. Nevertheless, I think I will
> replace the gasket when I can find a Canadian source.
>
> Another issue that might explain my difficulty getting a good seal is that
> it looks to me like the flange on the cap might have been trimmed at some
> point. The lip is only about 1 1/4 inch wide and allows for only a single
> row of bolts. The base is quite a bit wider and appears to have had a
> second row of bolts at some point. It makes sense that both parts would be
> the same width.
>
> I really don't want to take this apart again to replace the gasket and
> rebuild the cap.
>
> Graham
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of Gary Novotny
> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 2:40 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>
> Yep, totally agree that things bedded with urethane sealants are a bitch
> to remove. Only use this stuff as a last resort if you can?t find proper
> gasket material. Also I'd be sure the pendant and  all blocks are in
> excellent condition. If not, definitely replace. The problem I see with
> Butyl for this application is that it has no adhesive properties , so
> you are counting on the cap to trunk compression to keep it sealed and
> it?s not resilient like a neoprene gasket. If the trunk is subject to
> any significant flexing at all then the compression seal could start to
> develop leaks. If I did use Butyl tape, I'd keep a close eye on it. One
> good thing is that Butyl tape would be VERY easy to replace.
>
> Gary
>
>
> On 8/18/2018 12:55 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
> > Like Gary I used butyl extensively as a bedding material for my hardware
> and it is a dream to use compared to other sealants. The only place below
> the waterline where I used it was the centerboard cap and only then because
> I was getting desperate to find a solution. Gary's cautionary note is  good
> reason to keep looking for the proper neoprene - something I will do
> if/when the butyl fails or I have to remove the cap for any other reason.
> >
> > 4200 sealant is easier to remove than 5200, which is almost impossible
> without destroying the parts,  but would still be extremely difficult -
> especially for such a large area. When I bought my boat a previous owner
> had used one of those high-adhesive sealants  and I spent literally days
> getting the cap off using a torch to heat a large knife that I slowly moved
> along the join. Even then I still broke the cap into two pieces and had to
> make extensive repairs to the cap and the base.
> >
> > I don't know if there is anything like butyl that has low adhesive
> characteristics and is still rated for below the waterline use.
> >
> > For the time being the butyl is working but I will let the list know if
> it begins to fail - assuming the boat doesn't sink and take me with it.
> >
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> > Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> > Kingston Ontario
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf Of Gary Novotny
> > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:38 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
> >
> > Guys,
> >
> > I love Butyl tape, it's really great as a bedding compound. I completed
> > the first round of restoration on a boat (not my Rhodes) three months
> > ago and I used this stuff extensively for all the deck fittings and a
> > hatch. Butyl tape like all sealants needs a clean surface so use Remov
> > or DeBond first if the surface has prior sealant contamination. I can't
> > say enough good things about the ease of Butyl tape installation and
> > cleanup. All the leaking fittings are fixed now. It is too early for me
> > to report on longevity, but others have had very good results and when
> > you do need to re-bed its easy.
> >
> > I wouldn't be comfortable using this below the waterline however. If you
> > can't get neoprene sheet, you might be better off resorting to a
> > traditional moderately adhesive sealant like 3M 4200. (Do NOT use 5200)
> >
> > Just my 2cents.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> > On 8/17/2018 2:56 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
> >> Patrick:
> >>
> >> Glad to hear that there is another Rhodie in Canada. I thought Phil
> Gautier and I were the only ones.
> >>
> >> I replaced my gasket last year but was unable to find the proper
> neoprene. I finally got some neoprene from a neighbor but it wasn't smooth
> surfaced so it leaked no matter how many bolts I added. I finally stopped
> the leaks by using butyl tape - not an ideal solution, but it worked well.
> Butyl is an excellent sealant but has very low adhesive qualities so it
> should be easy to remove in the future should that be necessary. The tape
> is about 3/4" wide but I only used about half of that on both sides of the
> gasket as I didn't want to have it squeeze into the centerboard slot. I
> would not use the butyl that comes in a tube. In fact only use the butyl if
> you can't get the proper neoprene.
> >>
> >>
> >> Graham Stewart
> >> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> >> Kingston Ontario.
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf Of Patrick Cheung
> >> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:11 PM
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
> >>
> >> Gary,
> >>
> >> I found the perfect one from Amazon but they won?t ship to Canada.
> Gonna keep looking.
> >>
> >> Thx, Patrick
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Aug 17, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Patrick,
> >>>
> >>> When I did my centerboard trunk maintenance four years ago I used
> neoprene sheet I bought off of Amazon. It seems to have worked well.
> >>>
> >>> Gary
> >>>
> >>> Moon shadow 1978 R22
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 8/17/2018 11:50 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
> >>>> Dear Rhodies,
> >>>>
> >>>> It is time to repair the center board. I reached out to Stan for a
> piece of
> >>>> the rubber but he is super busy right now.
> >>>>
> >>>> I seems to recall some Rhodies may have extra rubber left over from
> their
> >>>> repair. I am hoping I can buy a stripe off you, if you are willing to
> sell.
> >>>>
> >>>> Patrick
> >>>> Duck, '84
> >>>> Lake Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
> >>>> __________________________________________________
> >>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>>>
> >>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>>> __________________________________________________
> >>>>
> >>> --
> >>> Gary Novotny
> >>> 7309 S Indian River Drive
> >>> Fort Pierce Florida 34982
> >>> 772-4660956 home
> >>> 772-9715753 cell
> >>> gjnovotny at comcast.net
> >>>
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>>
> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>
> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> __________________________________________________
> >>
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
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> >>
> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> __________________________________________________
>
> --
> Gary Novotny
> 7309 S Indian River Drive
> Fort Pierce Florida 34982
> 772-4660956 home
> 772-9715753 cell
> gjnovotny at comcast.net
>
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>
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Sun Aug 19 08:44:17 2018
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 08:44:17 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket - v block
In-Reply-To: <CANexfAku1nWOGWpsx+oMXyea=om0QoQi-A3NFCu53evD24MPSg@mail.gmail.com>
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 <00bf01d43714$36ab8130$a4028390$@ca>
 <84122f5e-f4d5-a10b-1086-cce1d753b908@comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <00da01d437ba$57f4c210$07de4630$@ca>

Mine (1976) doesn't have a "v block" and I am wondering now if it should. Patrick, are you able to take picture of it?
Graham

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Cheung
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 8:01 PM
To: ruckc at yahoo.com; The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket

Thank you for sharing Curtis, I was tempted to use this sponge rubber, but
I chose to stay with solid neoprene. My boat stays in water all summer.

On the subject of wet bilge, when I open up the cap, there is this cute
little V-block, inverted. I think it serves to home in the center board
when it is raised.
Two screws are used to secure this V block, driven through the side wall at
a 45 degree. This is perfect for water coming into the bilge. I found
another rusted screw tip 5 mm away. Now, I can guarantee Stan is incapable
of doing this. My boat is built for Stan, it is NOT built by Stan.
Now, I wonder what Stan use to secure this V block, if any. Perhaps 5200 ?

patrick


On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 7:26 PM Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> I used this from Amazon:
>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003HDILE4/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
> on my 1979.  Seems to work, but mine is only in the water ~2-3 hours a
> time, and there is always water in the bilge when I start sailing (I
> believe due to the cockpit drains getting clogged, and the water making up
> and in the cockpit storage, which drains through to the bilge.
> --
> Curtis
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 6:40 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > Just so that there is no confusion, I did make a neoprene gasket and it
> is
> > installed. It is 3/16 thick but has a fine ribbed pattern that I think
> did
> > not compress enough to make a perfect seal. It might also be too hard.
> So I
> > am only using the butyl to give the neoprene a smoother surface - not
> > substituting the neoprene with the butyl. Nevertheless, I think I will
> > replace the gasket when I can find a Canadian source.
> >
> > Another issue that might explain my difficulty getting a good seal is
> that
> > it looks to me like the flange on the cap might have been trimmed at some
> > point. The lip is only about 1 1/4 inch wide and allows for only a single
> > row of bolts. The base is quite a bit wider and appears to have had a
> > second row of bolts at some point. It makes sense that both parts would
> be
> > the same width.
> >
> > I really don't want to take this apart again to replace the gasket and
> > rebuild the cap.
> >
> > Graham
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf
> > Of Gary Novotny
> > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 2:40 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
> >
> > Yep, totally agree that things bedded with urethane sealants are a bitch
> > to remove. Only use this stuff as a last resort if you can?t find proper
> > gasket material. Also I'd be sure the pendant and  all blocks are in
> > excellent condition. If not, definitely replace. The problem I see with
> > Butyl for this application is that it has no adhesive properties , so
> > you are counting on the cap to trunk compression to keep it sealed and
> > it?s not resilient like a neoprene gasket. If the trunk is subject to
> > any significant flexing at all then the compression seal could start to
> > develop leaks. If I did use Butyl tape, I'd keep a close eye on it. One
> > good thing is that Butyl tape would be VERY easy to replace.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> > On 8/18/2018 12:55 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
> > > Like Gary I used butyl extensively as a bedding material for my
> hardware
> > and it is a dream to use compared to other sealants. The only place below
> > the waterline where I used it was the centerboard cap and only then
> because
> > I was getting desperate to find a solution. Gary's cautionary note is
> good
> > reason to keep looking for the proper neoprene - something I will do
> > if/when the butyl fails or I have to remove the cap for any other reason.
> > >
> > > 4200 sealant is easier to remove than 5200, which is almost impossible
> > without destroying the parts,  but would still be extremely difficult -
> > especially for such a large area. When I bought my boat a previous owner
> > had used one of those high-adhesive sealants  and I spent literally days
> > getting the cap off using a torch to heat a large knife that I slowly
> moved
> > along the join. Even then I still broke the cap into two pieces and had
> to
> > make extensive repairs to the cap and the base.
> > >
> > > I don't know if there is anything like butyl that has low adhesive
> > characteristics and is still rated for below the waterline use.
> > >
> > > For the time being the butyl is working but I will let the list know if
> > it begins to fail - assuming the boat doesn't sink and take me with it.
> > >
> > >
> > > Graham Stewart
> > > Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> > > Kingston Ontario
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> > Behalf Of Gary Novotny
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:38 AM
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
> > >
> > > Guys,
> > >
> > > I love Butyl tape, it's really great as a bedding compound. I completed
> > > the first round of restoration on a boat (not my Rhodes) three months
> > > ago and I used this stuff extensively for all the deck fittings and a
> > > hatch. Butyl tape like all sealants needs a clean surface so use Remov
> > > or DeBond first if the surface has prior sealant contamination. I can't
> > > say enough good things about the ease of Butyl tape installation and
> > > cleanup. All the leaking fittings are fixed now. It is too early for me
> > > to report on longevity, but others have had very good results and when
> > > you do need to re-bed its easy.
> > >
> > > I wouldn't be comfortable using this below the waterline however. If
> you
> > > can't get neoprene sheet, you might be better off resorting to a
> > > traditional moderately adhesive sealant like 3M 4200. (Do NOT use 5200)
> > >
> > > Just my 2cents.
> > >
> > > Gary
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/17/2018 2:56 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
> > >> Patrick:
> > >>
> > >> Glad to hear that there is another Rhodie in Canada. I thought Phil
> > Gautier and I were the only ones.
> > >>
> > >> I replaced my gasket last year but was unable to find the proper
> > neoprene. I finally got some neoprene from a neighbor but it wasn't
> smooth
> > surfaced so it leaked no matter how many bolts I added. I finally stopped
> > the leaks by using butyl tape - not an ideal solution, but it worked
> well.
> > Butyl is an excellent sealant but has very low adhesive qualities so it
> > should be easy to remove in the future should that be necessary. The tape
> > is about 3/4" wide but I only used about half of that on both sides of
> the
> > gasket as I didn't want to have it squeeze into the centerboard slot. I
> > would not use the butyl that comes in a tube. In fact only use the butyl
> if
> > you can't get the proper neoprene.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Graham Stewart
> > >> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> > >> Kingston Ontario.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> > Behalf Of Patrick Cheung
> > >> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:11 PM
> > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
> > >>
> > >> Gary,
> > >>
> > >> I found the perfect one from Amazon but they won?t ship to Canada.
> > Gonna keep looking.
> > >>
> > >> Thx, Patrick
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Aug 17, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Patrick,
> > >>>
> > >>> When I did my centerboard trunk maintenance four years ago I used
> > neoprene sheet I bought off of Amazon. It seems to have worked well.
> > >>>
> > >>> Gary
> > >>>
> > >>> Moon shadow 1978 R22
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> On 8/17/2018 11:50 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
> > >>>> Dear Rhodies,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> It is time to repair the center board. I reached out to Stan for a
> > piece of
> > >>>> the rubber but he is super busy right now.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I seems to recall some Rhodies may have extra rubber left over from
> > their
> > >>>> repair. I am hoping I can buy a stripe off you, if you are willing
> to
> > sell.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Patrick
> > >>>> Duck, '84
> > >>>> Lake Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
> > >>>> __________________________________________________
> > >>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> > >>>>
> > >>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
> > archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > >>>> __________________________________________________
> > >>>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Gary Novotny
> > >>> 7309 S Indian River Drive
> > >>> Fort Pierce Florida 34982
> > >>> 772-4660956 home
> > >>> 772-9715753 cell
> > >>> gjnovotny at comcast.net
> > >>>
> > >>> __________________________________________________
> > >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> > >>>
> > >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
> archives
> > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > >>> __________________________________________________
> > >> __________________________________________________
> > >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> > >>
> > >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > >> __________________________________________________
> > >>
> > >> __________________________________________________
> > >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
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> > >>
> > >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > >> __________________________________________________
> >
> > --
> > Gary Novotny
> > 7309 S Indian River Drive
> > Fort Pierce Florida 34982
> > 772-4660956 home
> > 772-9715753 cell
> > gjnovotny at comcast.net
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
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> >
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> > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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> >
> > __________________________________________________
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> >
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> >
> __________________________________________________
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From joedempsey at hughes.net  Sun Aug 19 10:09:03 2018
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joseph Dempsey)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 10:09:03 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Canadian Rhodes
Message-ID: <t2a72lnjjvefl2i4qu53qnv9.1534687743201@hughes.net>


From ruckc at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 19 10:57:48 2018
From: ruckc at yahoo.com (Curtis Ruck)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 10:57:48 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
In-Reply-To: <00d901d437ba$03c16e00$0b444a00$@ca>
References: <CANexfAn58=E7JwS08XiCL3vxVUNFhrOzv8RP6Qxmg6iKgRCQig@mail.gmail.com>
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 <00a501d4365c$0dc28510$29478f30$@ca>
 <f2d4e529-56c8-7a65-dffe-22b4b59f4bb3@comcast.net>
 <00bf01d43714$36ab8130$a4028390$@ca>
 <84122f5e-f4d5-a10b-1086-cce1d753b908@comcast.net>
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 <00d901d437ba$03c16e00$0b444a00$@ca>
Message-ID: <CAFgGLFdyE==a8CmFyDA6iQx=m_HdHFQWiU7gjVwm_iy4wFeivg@mail.gmail.com>

It is definitely closed cell, to my knowledge all neoprene is.   I looked
at the different thicknesses and soft/firm and ordered two actually, a 1/4"
that was more firm, and the 3/16.  When I got them, decided on the 3/16,
because once compressed, its basically solid rubber, and the surface of my
trunk was less than perfectly smooth, so i chose it based on
compress-ability.

I don't believe it leaks, but its never been in the water long enough to
really tell.  I'd wager it does, but without having a slip to keep it in, i
have no real way to know.
--
Curtis


On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 8:41 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> The neoprene that Curtis found looks great but is referred to a "sponge"
> neoprene. I expect that means it is softer than the usual stuff and might
> make a better seal assuming that it is closed cell. Does anyone have a more
> informed opinion than mine on this difference?
>
> Graham
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 7:26 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>
> I used this from Amazon:
>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003HDILE4/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
> on my 1979.  Seems to work, but mine is only in the water ~2-3 hours a
> time, and there is always water in the bilge when I start sailing (I
> believe due to the cockpit drains getting clogged, and the water making up
> and in the cockpit storage, which drains through to the bilge.
> --
> Curtis
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 6:40 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > Just so that there is no confusion, I did make a neoprene gasket and it
> is
> > installed. It is 3/16 thick but has a fine ribbed pattern that I think
> did
> > not compress enough to make a perfect seal. It might also be too hard.
> So I
> > am only using the butyl to give the neoprene a smoother surface - not
> > substituting the neoprene with the butyl. Nevertheless, I think I will
> > replace the gasket when I can find a Canadian source.
> >
> > Another issue that might explain my difficulty getting a good seal is
> that
> > it looks to me like the flange on the cap might have been trimmed at some
> > point. The lip is only about 1 1/4 inch wide and allows for only a single
> > row of bolts. The base is quite a bit wider and appears to have had a
> > second row of bolts at some point. It makes sense that both parts would
> be
> > the same width.
> >
> > I really don't want to take this apart again to replace the gasket and
> > rebuild the cap.
> >
> > Graham
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf
> > Of Gary Novotny
> > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 2:40 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
> >
> > Yep, totally agree that things bedded with urethane sealants are a bitch
> > to remove. Only use this stuff as a last resort if you can?t find proper
> > gasket material. Also I'd be sure the pendant and  all blocks are in
> > excellent condition. If not, definitely replace. The problem I see with
> > Butyl for this application is that it has no adhesive properties , so
> > you are counting on the cap to trunk compression to keep it sealed and
> > it?s not resilient like a neoprene gasket. If the trunk is subject to
> > any significant flexing at all then the compression seal could start to
> > develop leaks. If I did use Butyl tape, I'd keep a close eye on it. One
> > good thing is that Butyl tape would be VERY easy to replace.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> > On 8/18/2018 12:55 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
> > > Like Gary I used butyl extensively as a bedding material for my
> hardware
> > and it is a dream to use compared to other sealants. The only place below
> > the waterline where I used it was the centerboard cap and only then
> because
> > I was getting desperate to find a solution. Gary's cautionary note is
> good
> > reason to keep looking for the proper neoprene - something I will do
> > if/when the butyl fails or I have to remove the cap for any other reason.
> > >
> > > 4200 sealant is easier to remove than 5200, which is almost impossible
> > without destroying the parts,  but would still be extremely difficult -
> > especially for such a large area. When I bought my boat a previous owner
> > had used one of those high-adhesive sealants  and I spent literally days
> > getting the cap off using a torch to heat a large knife that I slowly
> moved
> > along the join. Even then I still broke the cap into two pieces and had
> to
> > make extensive repairs to the cap and the base.
> > >
> > > I don't know if there is anything like butyl that has low adhesive
> > characteristics and is still rated for below the waterline use.
> > >
> > > For the time being the butyl is working but I will let the list know if
> > it begins to fail - assuming the boat doesn't sink and take me with it.
> > >
> > >
> > > Graham Stewart
> > > Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> > > Kingston Ontario
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> > Behalf Of Gary Novotny
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:38 AM
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
> > >
> > > Guys,
> > >
> > > I love Butyl tape, it's really great as a bedding compound. I completed
> > > the first round of restoration on a boat (not my Rhodes) three months
> > > ago and I used this stuff extensively for all the deck fittings and a
> > > hatch. Butyl tape like all sealants needs a clean surface so use Remov
> > > or DeBond first if the surface has prior sealant contamination. I can't
> > > say enough good things about the ease of Butyl tape installation and
> > > cleanup. All the leaking fittings are fixed now. It is too early for me
> > > to report on longevity, but others have had very good results and when
> > > you do need to re-bed its easy.
> > >
> > > I wouldn't be comfortable using this below the waterline however. If
> you
> > > can't get neoprene sheet, you might be better off resorting to a
> > > traditional moderately adhesive sealant like 3M 4200. (Do NOT use 5200)
> > >
> > > Just my 2cents.
> > >
> > > Gary
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/17/2018 2:56 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
> > >> Patrick:
> > >>
> > >> Glad to hear that there is another Rhodie in Canada. I thought Phil
> > Gautier and I were the only ones.
> > >>
> > >> I replaced my gasket last year but was unable to find the proper
> > neoprene. I finally got some neoprene from a neighbor but it wasn't
> smooth
> > surfaced so it leaked no matter how many bolts I added. I finally stopped
> > the leaks by using butyl tape - not an ideal solution, but it worked
> well.
> > Butyl is an excellent sealant but has very low adhesive qualities so it
> > should be easy to remove in the future should that be necessary. The tape
> > is about 3/4" wide but I only used about half of that on both sides of
> the
> > gasket as I didn't want to have it squeeze into the centerboard slot. I
> > would not use the butyl that comes in a tube. In fact only use the butyl
> if
> > you can't get the proper neoprene.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Graham Stewart
> > >> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> > >> Kingston Ontario.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> > Behalf Of Patrick Cheung
> > >> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:11 PM
> > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
> > >>
> > >> Gary,
> > >>
> > >> I found the perfect one from Amazon but they won?t ship to Canada.
> > Gonna keep looking.
> > >>
> > >> Thx, Patrick
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Aug 17, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Patrick,
> > >>>
> > >>> When I did my centerboard trunk maintenance four years ago I used
> > neoprene sheet I bought off of Amazon. It seems to have worked well.
> > >>>
> > >>> Gary
> > >>>
> > >>> Moon shadow 1978 R22
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> On 8/17/2018 11:50 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
> > >>>> Dear Rhodies,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> It is time to repair the center board. I reached out to Stan for a
> > piece of
> > >>>> the rubber but he is super busy right now.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I seems to recall some Rhodies may have extra rubber left over from
> > their
> > >>>> repair. I am hoping I can buy a stripe off you, if you are willing
> to
> > sell.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Patrick
> > >>>> Duck, '84
> > >>>> Lake Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
> > >>>> __________________________________________________
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> > >>>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Gary Novotny
> > >>> 7309 S Indian River Drive
> > >>> Fort Pierce Florida 34982
> > >>> 772-4660956 home
> > >>> 772-9715753 cell
> > >>> gjnovotny at comcast.net
> > >>>
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From rweiss at siu.edu  Sun Aug 19 13:57:29 2018
From: rweiss at siu.edu (rweiss)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 10:57:29 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mounting a GPS unit
Message-ID: <1534701449818-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

I need the experienced advice of Rhodies who are a lot more comfortable with
drilling holes in their boat than I am. I have a small GPS unit (Dragonfly
5M) that I would like to mount someplace on my Rhodes 22. I originally tried
to find a way to clip it to the rail on my pop top, but can't find a
mounting unit to make that possible. (I use a bike mount for my iPhone to
mount it there and works well.) So, I guess the best option is to use the
mounting stand that came with the GPS and requires 3 screws into something
solid. I have 2 questions -- 1.  Where do you suggest mounting the unit?  2. 
How do I go about drilling 3 holes in my beloved Rhodes to mount this
without doing damage?  The unit needs to be near the cabin as I have a cable
attached to plug into the 12 volt socket in there.  Thanks for your advice.  

Bob



-----
Bob Weiss
Beach Spring
1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014
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From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Sun Aug 19 14:34:57 2018
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 18:34:57 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mounting a GPS unit
In-Reply-To: <1534701449818-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1534701449818-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <C3AA14F6-C8F6-4A9A-868F-F9722B30A904@cowieassociates.com>

I use a surface mount to the cabin bulkhead only three screws, no hole, and I let the wires hang into the cabin.  It has a quick release dismount.
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On Aug 19, 2018, at 1:57 PM, rweiss <rweiss at siu.edu<mailto:rweiss at siu.edu>> wrote:

I need the experienced advice of Rhodies who are a lot more comfortable with
drilling holes in their boat than I am. I have a small GPS unit (Dragonfly
5M) that I would like to mount someplace on my Rhodes 22. I originally tried
to find a way to clip it to the rail on my pop top, but can't find a
mounting unit to make that possible. (I use a bike mount for my iPhone to
mount it there and works well.) So, I guess the best option is to use the
mounting stand that came with the GPS and requires 3 screws into something
solid. I have 2 questions -- 1.  Where do you suggest mounting the unit?  2.
How do I go about drilling 3 holes in my beloved Rhodes to mount this
without doing damage?  The unit needs to be near the cabin as I have a cable
attached to plug into the 12 volt socket in there.  Thanks for your advice.

Bob



-----
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Beach Spring
1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sun Aug 19 14:56:23 2018
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 20:56:23 +0200
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] (no subject)
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07-29 Rhodes in the Med

So after a long pause, here is one more day in the Med, from France to
Italy.  Enjoy

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PT4Vjm9r3s0eLDyIY5CS0K2iwRkg_Bu-/view?usp=sharing


Chris

From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Sun Aug 19 15:02:34 2018
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 15:02:34 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiWc1XM05Ka6xV_cjrPWE77iYCL9+7eM0paVx1J_DkS0NQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <B4289F81-B1F9-40CD-81CC-BE3E01646F6A@gmail.com>

Great photos and a great account of the trip, Chris!  I?m envious but am vicariously enjoying the voyage.  

Frank

Frank Goldsmith
s/v ?Mary Bess?
Lake Keowee, SC
(Home in Asheville, NC)

> On Aug 19, 2018, at 2:56 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 07-29 Rhodes in the Med
> 
> So after a long pause, here is one more day in the Med, from France to
> Italy.  Enjoy
> 
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PT4Vjm9r3s0eLDyIY5CS0K2iwRkg_Bu-/view?usp=sharing
> 
> 
> Chris
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From rweiss at siu.edu  Sun Aug 19 15:11:28 2018
From: rweiss at siu.edu (rweiss)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 12:11:28 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mounting a GPS unit
In-Reply-To: <C3AA14F6-C8F6-4A9A-868F-F9722B30A904@cowieassociates.com>
References: <1534701449818-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <1534705888402-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Do you just put some sealant in the screw holes? 



-----
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Beach Spring
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From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Sun Aug 19 15:48:41 2018
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 19:48:41 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mounting a GPS unit
In-Reply-To: <1534705888402-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1534701449818-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Yes


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On Aug 19, 2018, at 3:11 PM, rweiss <rweiss at siu.edu<mailto:rweiss at siu.edu>> wrote:

Do you just put some sealant in the screw holes?



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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sun Aug 19 17:03:02 2018
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 17:03:02 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mounting a GPS unit
In-Reply-To: <1534701449818-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1534701449818-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <BAEEF944-BC0A-4CB9-A9ED-AB7894EBB7C9@sunnybeeches.com>

Bob,

I?ve drilled quite a few holes in my Rhodes, but I try not to drill any more than I have to, especially when it involves the exterior fiberglass shell.

Being unfamiliar with the Dragonfly, I googled it and ended up on the Raymarine page for the product.  In looking around, I noticed that one of it?s touted ?Key Features? is the ability to ?Mount Anywhere?.  The description of this feature includes a link with the text ?Find out more about RAM Mounts after market mounting systems?.  Clicking on that link brings up a pop-up window with four RAM products including a ?Tough-Claw Mount? that looks like it might be able to clamp to the Pop-Top support tube, and a ?Suction Cup Mount? that might also be a less invasive solution.

Do you think one of these might solve your problem?

If you do end up drilling holes and using a sealant, use one that?s not also an adhesive.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On Aug 19, 2018, at 1:57 PM, rweiss <rweiss at siu.edu> wrote:
> 
> I need the experienced advice of Rhodies who are a lot more comfortable with
> drilling holes in their boat than I am. I have a small GPS unit (Dragonfly
> 5M) that I would like to mount someplace on my Rhodes 22. I originally tried
> to find a way to clip it to the rail on my pop top, but can't find a
> mounting unit to make that possible. (I use a bike mount for my iPhone to
> mount it there and works well.) So, I guess the best option is to use the
> mounting stand that came with the GPS and requires 3 screws into something
> solid. I have 2 questions -- 1.  Where do you suggest mounting the unit?  2. 
> How do I go about drilling 3 holes in my beloved Rhodes to mount this
> without doing damage?  The unit needs to be near the cabin as I have a cable
> attached to plug into the 12 volt socket in there.  Thanks for your advice.  
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> Bob Weiss
> Beach Spring
> 1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014
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From rweiss at siu.edu  Sun Aug 19 18:16:48 2018
From: rweiss at siu.edu (rweiss)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 15:16:48 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mounting a GPS unit
In-Reply-To: <BAEEF944-BC0A-4CB9-A9ED-AB7894EBB7C9@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <1534701449818-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <1534717008537-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Thanks Peter. I had not seen these RAM mounts. I think this is exactly what I
need. I just don't want to drill any holes if I don't have to and clamping
the unit to me pop-top cross support seems like a good idea. Thanks for
finding this.

Bob




-----
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Beach Spring
1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014
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From dwbrad at gmail.com  Mon Aug 20 07:27:43 2018
From: dwbrad at gmail.com (David Bradley)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 07:27:43 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mounting a GPS unit
In-Reply-To: <1534701449818-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1534701449818-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <13F6A4B8-9DCF-4395-8883-5B80B57360CF@gmail.com>

Hi Bob. I used the Ram rail mount to attach it to the stern rail. I placed it near the center so you can pivot the GPS unit to either side depending on the tack. 

I?ll try to post a picture separately. 

Dave B

> On Aug 19, 2018, at 1:57 PM, rweiss <rweiss at siu.edu> wrote:
> 
> I need the experienced advice of Rhodies who are a lot more comfortable with
> drilling holes in their boat than I am. I have a small GPS unit (Dragonfly
> 5M) that I would like to mount someplace on my Rhodes 22. I originally tried
> to find a way to clip it to the rail on my pop top, but can't find a
> mounting unit to make that possible. (I use a bike mount for my iPhone to
> mount it there and works well.) So, I guess the best option is to use the
> mounting stand that came with the GPS and requires 3 screws into something
> solid. I have 2 questions -- 1.  Where do you suggest mounting the unit?  2. 
> How do I go about drilling 3 holes in my beloved Rhodes to mount this
> without doing damage?  The unit needs to be near the cabin as I have a cable
> attached to plug into the 12 volt socket in there.  Thanks for your advice.  
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> 
> -----
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> Beach Spring
> 1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014
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From chitakcheung at gmail.com  Mon Aug 20 08:48:47 2018
From: chitakcheung at gmail.com (Patrick Cheung)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 08:48:47 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
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Graham, here?s the two pictures of the v block.  Hope pictures will go through.

I placed the order for neoprene.
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> On Aug 19, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> It is definitely closed cell, to my knowledge all neoprene is.   I looked
> at the different thicknesses and soft/firm and ordered two actually, a 1/4"
> that was more firm, and the 3/16.  When I got them, decided on the 3/16,
> because once compressed, its basically solid rubber, and the surface of my
> trunk was less than perfectly smooth, so i chose it based on
> compress-ability.
> 
> I don't believe it leaks, but its never been in the water long enough to
> really tell.  I'd wager it does, but without having a slip to keep it in, i
> have no real way to know.
> --
> Curtis
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 8:41 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> The neoprene that Curtis found looks great but is referred to a "sponge"
>> neoprene. I expect that means it is softer than the usual stuff and might
>> make a better seal assuming that it is closed cell. Does anyone have a more
>> informed opinion than mine on this difference?
>> 
>> Graham
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
>> Of Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list
>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 7:26 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>> 
>> I used this from Amazon:
>> 
>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003HDILE4/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>> on my 1979.  Seems to work, but mine is only in the water ~2-3 hours a
>> time, and there is always water in the bilge when I start sailing (I
>> believe due to the cockpit drains getting clogged, and the water making up
>> and in the cockpit storage, which drains through to the bilge.
>> --
>> Curtis
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 6:40 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Just so that there is no confusion, I did make a neoprene gasket and it
>> is
>>> installed. It is 3/16 thick but has a fine ribbed pattern that I think
>> did
>>> not compress enough to make a perfect seal. It might also be too hard.
>> So I
>>> am only using the butyl to give the neoprene a smoother surface - not
>>> substituting the neoprene with the butyl. Nevertheless, I think I will
>>> replace the gasket when I can find a Canadian source.
>>> 
>>> Another issue that might explain my difficulty getting a good seal is
>> that
>>> it looks to me like the flange on the cap might have been trimmed at some
>>> point. The lip is only about 1 1/4 inch wide and allows for only a single
>>> row of bolts. The base is quite a bit wider and appears to have had a
>>> second row of bolts at some point. It makes sense that both parts would
>> be
>>> the same width.
>>> 
>>> I really don't want to take this apart again to replace the gasket and
>>> rebuild the cap.
>>> 
>>> Graham
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>> Behalf
>>> Of Gary Novotny
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 2:40 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>>> 
>>> Yep, totally agree that things bedded with urethane sealants are a bitch
>>> to remove. Only use this stuff as a last resort if you can?t find proper
>>> gasket material. Also I'd be sure the pendant and  all blocks are in
>>> excellent condition. If not, definitely replace. The problem I see with
>>> Butyl for this application is that it has no adhesive properties , so
>>> you are counting on the cap to trunk compression to keep it sealed and
>>> it?s not resilient like a neoprene gasket. If the trunk is subject to
>>> any significant flexing at all then the compression seal could start to
>>> develop leaks. If I did use Butyl tape, I'd keep a close eye on it. One
>>> good thing is that Butyl tape would be VERY easy to replace.
>>> 
>>> Gary
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 8/18/2018 12:55 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
>>>> Like Gary I used butyl extensively as a bedding material for my
>> hardware
>>> and it is a dream to use compared to other sealants. The only place below
>>> the waterline where I used it was the centerboard cap and only then
>> because
>>> I was getting desperate to find a solution. Gary's cautionary note is
>> good
>>> reason to keep looking for the proper neoprene - something I will do
>>> if/when the butyl fails or I have to remove the cap for any other reason.
>>>> 
>>>> 4200 sealant is easier to remove than 5200, which is almost impossible
>>> without destroying the parts,  but would still be extremely difficult -
>>> especially for such a large area. When I bought my boat a previous owner
>>> had used one of those high-adhesive sealants  and I spent literally days
>>> getting the cap off using a torch to heat a large knife that I slowly
>> moved
>>> along the join. Even then I still broke the cap into two pieces and had
>> to
>>> make extensive repairs to the cap and the base.
>>>> 
>>>> I don't know if there is anything like butyl that has low adhesive
>>> characteristics and is still rated for below the waterline use.
>>>> 
>>>> For the time being the butyl is working but I will let the list know if
>>> it begins to fail - assuming the boat doesn't sink and take me with it.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Graham Stewart
>>>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
>>>> Kingston Ontario
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Gary Novotny
>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:38 AM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>>>> 
>>>> Guys,
>>>> 
>>>> I love Butyl tape, it's really great as a bedding compound. I completed
>>>> the first round of restoration on a boat (not my Rhodes) three months
>>>> ago and I used this stuff extensively for all the deck fittings and a
>>>> hatch. Butyl tape like all sealants needs a clean surface so use Remov
>>>> or DeBond first if the surface has prior sealant contamination. I can't
>>>> say enough good things about the ease of Butyl tape installation and
>>>> cleanup. All the leaking fittings are fixed now. It is too early for me
>>>> to report on longevity, but others have had very good results and when
>>>> you do need to re-bed its easy.
>>>> 
>>>> I wouldn't be comfortable using this below the waterline however. If
>> you
>>>> can't get neoprene sheet, you might be better off resorting to a
>>>> traditional moderately adhesive sealant like 3M 4200. (Do NOT use 5200)
>>>> 
>>>> Just my 2cents.
>>>> 
>>>> Gary
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 8/17/2018 2:56 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
>>>>> Patrick:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Glad to hear that there is another Rhodie in Canada. I thought Phil
>>> Gautier and I were the only ones.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I replaced my gasket last year but was unable to find the proper
>>> neoprene. I finally got some neoprene from a neighbor but it wasn't
>> smooth
>>> surfaced so it leaked no matter how many bolts I added. I finally stopped
>>> the leaks by using butyl tape - not an ideal solution, but it worked
>> well.
>>> Butyl is an excellent sealant but has very low adhesive qualities so it
>>> should be easy to remove in the future should that be necessary. The tape
>>> is about 3/4" wide but I only used about half of that on both sides of
>> the
>>> gasket as I didn't want to have it squeeze into the centerboard slot. I
>>> would not use the butyl that comes in a tube. In fact only use the butyl
>> if
>>> you can't get the proper neoprene.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Graham Stewart
>>>>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
>>>>> Kingston Ontario.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Patrick Cheung
>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:11 PM
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>>>>> 
>>>>> Gary,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I found the perfect one from Amazon but they won?t ship to Canada.
>>> Gonna keep looking.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thx, Patrick
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Patrick,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> When I did my centerboard trunk maintenance four years ago I used
>>> neoprene sheet I bought off of Amazon. It seems to have worked well.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Moon shadow 1978 R22
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 8/17/2018 11:50 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
>>>>>>> Dear Rhodies,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It is time to repair the center board. I reached out to Stan for a
>>> piece of
>>>>>>> the rubber but he is super busy right now.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I seems to recall some Rhodies may have extra rubber left over from
>>> their
>>>>>>> repair. I am hoping I can buy a stripe off you, if you are willing
>> to
>>> sell.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>> Duck, '84
>>>>>>> Lake Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
>>>>>>> __________________________________________________
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>>>>>>> 
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>>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Gary Novotny
>>>>>> 7309 S Indian River Drive
>>>>>> Fort Pierce Florida 34982
>>>>>> 772-4660956 home
>>>>>> 772-9715753 cell
>>>>>> gjnovotny at comcast.net
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> __________________________________________________
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>>>>>> 
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>> archives
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>>>>> __________________________________________________
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>>>>> 
>>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
>>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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>>>>> 
>>>>> __________________________________________________
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>>>>> 
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>>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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>>> 
>>> --
>>> Gary Novotny
>>> 7309 S Indian River Drive
>>> Fort Pierce Florida 34982
>>> 772-4660956 home
>>> 772-9715753 cell
>>> gjnovotny at comcast.net
>>> 
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From rweiss at siu.edu  Mon Aug 20 09:19:20 2018
From: rweiss at siu.edu (rweiss)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 06:19:20 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mounting a GPS unit
In-Reply-To: <13F6A4B8-9DCF-4395-8883-5B80B57360CF@gmail.com>
References: <1534701449818-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <13F6A4B8-9DCF-4395-8883-5B80B57360CF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1534771160436-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Thanks Dave. I would love to see a photo if you have one.
Bob



-----
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Beach Spring
1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014
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From dwbrad at gmail.com  Mon Aug 20 09:27:17 2018
From: dwbrad at gmail.com (David Bradley)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 09:27:17 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mounting a GPS
Message-ID: <B3F59AA9-4595-47EC-84FF-4C67DF154FCA@gmail.com>

This setup has worked well for me. Ram mounting hardware available at West Marine and others. 

Dave B
s/v Sea Cloud
Old Greenwich, CT

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From dwbrad at gmail.com  Mon Aug 20 09:36:04 2018
From: dwbrad at gmail.com (David Bradley)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 09:36:04 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mounting a GPS unit
In-Reply-To: <1534771160436-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1534701449818-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <13F6A4B8-9DCF-4395-8883-5B80B57360CF@gmail.com>
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Posted them but don?t see them appearing on the list.  Bob, let me know if you don?t see them and I can send to you directly.  I?m at dwbrad at gmail.com <mailto:dwbrad at gmail.com>.  

Dave

> On Aug 20, 2018, at 9:19 AM, rweiss <rweiss at siu.edu> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Dave. I would love to see a photo if you have one.
> Bob
> 
> 
> 
> -----
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> Beach Spring
> 1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014
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From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Mon Aug 20 09:36:49 2018
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 13:36:49 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mounting a GPS
In-Reply-To: <B3F59AA9-4595-47EC-84FF-4C67DF154FCA@gmail.com>
References: <B3F59AA9-4595-47EC-84FF-4C67DF154FCA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BN6PR18MB155362943E0094E6B9E2C090D1320@BN6PR18MB1553.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>

I used to have the same garmin mount that I installed on the cabin bulkhead, a couple of years ago I upgraded my garmin unit to the echomap and it came with a garmin tile/swivel quick release bracket for $21.  Mounting to the rail puts the unit closer to the helm and avoids drilling holes however I am happy with the cabin mount.



https://www.walmart.com/ip/GARMIN-TILT-SWIVEL-QUICK-RELEASE-BRACKET-F-ECHOMAP-5X/383888254?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=1063&adid=22222222227090797364&wmlspartner=wmtlabs&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=204535715897&wl4=pla-395996264797&wl5=9061285&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=112549983&wl11=online&wl12=383888254&wl13=&veh=sem

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Alexandria, Virginia 22314

703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile

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-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of David Bradley
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 9:27 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mounting a GPS



This setup has worked well for me. Ram mounting hardware available at West Marine and others.



Dave B

s/v Sea Cloud

Old Greenwich, CT



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From rweiss at siu.edu  Mon Aug 20 09:37:37 2018
From: rweiss at siu.edu (rweiss)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 06:37:37 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mounting a GPS unit
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References: <1534701449818-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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thanks Dave. They showed up in my email just fine. This helps a lot.

Bob



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Beach Spring
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From dwbrad at gmail.com  Mon Aug 20 09:40:12 2018
From: dwbrad at gmail.com (David Bradley)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 09:40:12 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mounting a GPS unit
In-Reply-To: <1534772257580-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1534701449818-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <13F6A4B8-9DCF-4395-8883-5B80B57360CF@gmail.com>
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FYI, I had them run the cable through a new hole in the transom, near the ladder.  In-hull transducer in the laz.  The hole in the transom has a chrome cover that, with some silicone, has kept water out of the laz.

Dave

> On Aug 20, 2018, at 9:37 AM, rweiss <rweiss at siu.edu> wrote:
> 
> thanks Dave. They showed up in my email just fine. This helps a lot.
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> 
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Mon Aug 20 10:11:07 2018
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 10:11:07 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mounting a GPS
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From rweiss at siu.edu  Mon Aug 20 10:44:14 2018
From: rweiss at siu.edu (Robert Louis Weiss)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 14:44:14 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mounting a GPS
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References: <B3F59AA9-4595-47EC-84FF-4C67DF154FCA@gmail.com>
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I love this wooden mount that swivels out. And that is the same GPS unit I have. I suppose you manufactured this yourself?


Bob



Robert L Weiss Jr.
Director of Music
First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
Professor Emeritus, SIUC
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From gjnovotny at comcast.net  Mon Aug 20 11:10:28 2018
From: gjnovotny at comcast.net (Gary Novotny)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 11:10:28 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
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Patrick,

Your second picture looking down into the trunk shows what looks like 
the top of the centerboard that is missing fiberglass on the top.

If I'm correct, you probably know this already, but just in case, you 
definitely want to re-glass and completely encapsulate the centerboard 
to prevent water intrusion and prevent unwanted expansion.

This is probably why you doing this project in the first place but not 
knowing the full story I though I'd better state the obvious anyway.

Gary


On 8/20/2018 8:48 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
> Graham, here?s the two pictures of the v block.  Hope pictures will go through.
>
> I placed the order for neoprene.
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>> On Aug 19, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>
>> It is definitely closed cell, to my knowledge all neoprene is.   I looked
>> at the different thicknesses and soft/firm and ordered two actually, a 1/4"
>> that was more firm, and the 3/16.  When I got them, decided on the 3/16,
>> because once compressed, its basically solid rubber, and the surface of my
>> trunk was less than perfectly smooth, so i chose it based on
>> compress-ability.
>>
>> I don't believe it leaks, but its never been in the water long enough to
>> really tell.  I'd wager it does, but without having a slip to keep it in, i
>> have no real way to know.
>> --
>> Curtis
>>
>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 8:41 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> The neoprene that Curtis found looks great but is referred to a "sponge"
>>> neoprene. I expect that means it is softer than the usual stuff and might
>>> make a better seal assuming that it is closed cell. Does anyone have a more
>>> informed opinion than mine on this difference?
>>>
>>> Graham
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
>>> Of Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 7:26 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>>>
>>> I used this from Amazon:
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003HDILE4/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>>> on my 1979.  Seems to work, but mine is only in the water ~2-3 hours a
>>> time, and there is always water in the bilge when I start sailing (I
>>> believe due to the cockpit drains getting clogged, and the water making up
>>> and in the cockpit storage, which drains through to the bilge.
>>> --
>>> Curtis
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 6:40 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just so that there is no confusion, I did make a neoprene gasket and it
>>> is
>>>> installed. It is 3/16 thick but has a fine ribbed pattern that I think
>>> did
>>>> not compress enough to make a perfect seal. It might also be too hard.
>>> So I
>>>> am only using the butyl to give the neoprene a smoother surface - not
>>>> substituting the neoprene with the butyl. Nevertheless, I think I will
>>>> replace the gasket when I can find a Canadian source.
>>>>
>>>> Another issue that might explain my difficulty getting a good seal is
>>> that
>>>> it looks to me like the flange on the cap might have been trimmed at some
>>>> point. The lip is only about 1 1/4 inch wide and allows for only a single
>>>> row of bolts. The base is quite a bit wider and appears to have had a
>>>> second row of bolts at some point. It makes sense that both parts would
>>> be
>>>> the same width.
>>>>
>>>> I really don't want to take this apart again to replace the gasket and
>>>> rebuild the cap.
>>>>
>>>> Graham
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Gary Novotny
>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 2:40 PM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>>>>
>>>> Yep, totally agree that things bedded with urethane sealants are a bitch
>>>> to remove. Only use this stuff as a last resort if you can?t find proper
>>>> gasket material. Also I'd be sure the pendant and  all blocks are in
>>>> excellent condition. If not, definitely replace. The problem I see with
>>>> Butyl for this application is that it has no adhesive properties , so
>>>> you are counting on the cap to trunk compression to keep it sealed and
>>>> it?s not resilient like a neoprene gasket. If the trunk is subject to
>>>> any significant flexing at all then the compression seal could start to
>>>> develop leaks. If I did use Butyl tape, I'd keep a close eye on it. One
>>>> good thing is that Butyl tape would be VERY easy to replace.
>>>>
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/18/2018 12:55 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
>>>>> Like Gary I used butyl extensively as a bedding material for my
>>> hardware
>>>> and it is a dream to use compared to other sealants. The only place below
>>>> the waterline where I used it was the centerboard cap and only then
>>> because
>>>> I was getting desperate to find a solution. Gary's cautionary note is
>>> good
>>>> reason to keep looking for the proper neoprene - something I will do
>>>> if/when the butyl fails or I have to remove the cap for any other reason.
>>>>> 4200 sealant is easier to remove than 5200, which is almost impossible
>>>> without destroying the parts,  but would still be extremely difficult -
>>>> especially for such a large area. When I bought my boat a previous owner
>>>> had used one of those high-adhesive sealants  and I spent literally days
>>>> getting the cap off using a torch to heat a large knife that I slowly
>>> moved
>>>> along the join. Even then I still broke the cap into two pieces and had
>>> to
>>>> make extensive repairs to the cap and the base.
>>>>> I don't know if there is anything like butyl that has low adhesive
>>>> characteristics and is still rated for below the waterline use.
>>>>> For the time being the butyl is working but I will let the list know if
>>>> it begins to fail - assuming the boat doesn't sink and take me with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Graham Stewart
>>>>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
>>>>> Kingston Ontario
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Gary Novotny
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:38 AM
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>>>>>
>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>
>>>>> I love Butyl tape, it's really great as a bedding compound. I completed
>>>>> the first round of restoration on a boat (not my Rhodes) three months
>>>>> ago and I used this stuff extensively for all the deck fittings and a
>>>>> hatch. Butyl tape like all sealants needs a clean surface so use Remov
>>>>> or DeBond first if the surface has prior sealant contamination. I can't
>>>>> say enough good things about the ease of Butyl tape installation and
>>>>> cleanup. All the leaking fittings are fixed now. It is too early for me
>>>>> to report on longevity, but others have had very good results and when
>>>>> you do need to re-bed its easy.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wouldn't be comfortable using this below the waterline however. If
>>> you
>>>>> can't get neoprene sheet, you might be better off resorting to a
>>>>> traditional moderately adhesive sealant like 3M 4200. (Do NOT use 5200)
>>>>>
>>>>> Just my 2cents.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gary
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/17/2018 2:56 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
>>>>>> Patrick:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Glad to hear that there is another Rhodie in Canada. I thought Phil
>>>> Gautier and I were the only ones.
>>>>>> I replaced my gasket last year but was unable to find the proper
>>>> neoprene. I finally got some neoprene from a neighbor but it wasn't
>>> smooth
>>>> surfaced so it leaked no matter how many bolts I added. I finally stopped
>>>> the leaks by using butyl tape - not an ideal solution, but it worked
>>> well.
>>>> Butyl is an excellent sealant but has very low adhesive qualities so it
>>>> should be easy to remove in the future should that be necessary. The tape
>>>> is about 3/4" wide but I only used about half of that on both sides of
>>> the
>>>> gasket as I didn't want to have it squeeze into the centerboard slot. I
>>>> would not use the butyl that comes in a tube. In fact only use the butyl
>>> if
>>>> you can't get the proper neoprene.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Graham Stewart
>>>>>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
>>>>>> Kingston Ontario.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Patrick Cheung
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:11 PM
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I found the perfect one from Amazon but they won?t ship to Canada.
>>>> Gonna keep looking.
>>>>>> Thx, Patrick
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Patrick,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I did my centerboard trunk maintenance four years ago I used
>>>> neoprene sheet I bought off of Amazon. It seems to have worked well.
>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Moon shadow 1978 R22
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 8/17/2018 11:50 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
>>>>>>>> Dear Rhodies,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is time to repair the center board. I reached out to Stan for a
>>>> piece of
>>>>>>>> the rubber but he is super busy right now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I seems to recall some Rhodies may have extra rubber left over from
>>>> their
>>>>>>>> repair. I am hoping I can buy a stripe off you, if you are willing
>>> to
>>>> sell.
>>>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>>> Duck, '84
>>>>>>>> Lake Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
>>>>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>>>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
>>>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Gary Novotny
>>>>>>> 7309 S Indian River Drive
>>>>>>> Fort Pierce Florida 34982
>>>>>>> 772-4660956 home
>>>>>>> 772-9715753 cell
>>>>>>> gjnovotny at comcast.net
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
>>> archives
>>>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
>>>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
>>>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>> --
>>>> Gary Novotny
>>>> 7309 S Indian River Drive
>>>> Fort Pierce Florida 34982
>>>> 772-4660956 home
>>>> 772-9715753 cell
>>>> gjnovotny at comcast.net
>>>>
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>>
>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
>>>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>>
>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
>>>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>
>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
>>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>> __________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>
>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>> __________________________________________________
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
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> __________________________________________________

-- 
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7309 S Indian River Drive
Fort Pierce Florida 34982
772-4660956 home
772-9715753 cell
gjnovotny at comcast.net


From hnw555 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 20 11:14:38 2018
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 11:14:38 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
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Gary,

Where do you see the centerboard?  It looks like asphalt and the roller
from a trailer to me.

Hank

On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 11:10 AM Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net> wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> Your second picture looking down into the trunk shows what looks like
> the top of the centerboard that is missing fiberglass on the top.
>
> If I'm correct, you probably know this already, but just in case, you
> definitely want to re-glass and completely encapsulate the centerboard
> to prevent water intrusion and prevent unwanted expansion.
>
> This is probably why you doing this project in the first place but not
> knowing the full story I though I'd better state the obvious anyway.
>
> Gary
>
>
> On 8/20/2018 8:48 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
> > Graham, here?s the two pictures of the v block.  Hope pictures will go
> through.
> >
> > I placed the order for neoprene.
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> >> On Aug 19, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> It is definitely closed cell, to my knowledge all neoprene is.   I
> looked
> >> at the different thicknesses and soft/firm and ordered two actually, a
> 1/4"
> >> that was more firm, and the 3/16.  When I got them, decided on the 3/16,
> >> because once compressed, its basically solid rubber, and the surface of
> my
> >> trunk was less than perfectly smooth, so i chose it based on
> >> compress-ability.
> >>
> >> I don't believe it leaks, but its never been in the water long enough to
> >> really tell.  I'd wager it does, but without having a slip to keep it
> in, i
> >> have no real way to know.
> >> --
> >> Curtis
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 8:41 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The neoprene that Curtis found looks great but is referred to a
> "sponge"
> >>> neoprene. I expect that means it is softer than the usual stuff and
> might
> >>> make a better seal assuming that it is closed cell. Does anyone have a
> more
> >>> informed opinion than mine on this difference?
> >>>
> >>> Graham
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf
> >>> Of Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list
> >>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 7:26 PM
> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
> >>>
> >>> I used this from Amazon:
> >>>
> >>>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003HDILE4/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
> >>> on my 1979.  Seems to work, but mine is only in the water ~2-3 hours a
> >>> time, and there is always water in the bilge when I start sailing (I
> >>> believe due to the cockpit drains getting clogged, and the water
> making up
> >>> and in the cockpit storage, which drains through to the bilge.
> >>> --
> >>> Curtis
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 6:40 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Just so that there is no confusion, I did make a neoprene gasket and
> it
> >>> is
> >>>> installed. It is 3/16 thick but has a fine ribbed pattern that I think
> >>> did
> >>>> not compress enough to make a perfect seal. It might also be too hard.
> >>> So I
> >>>> am only using the butyl to give the neoprene a smoother surface - not
> >>>> substituting the neoprene with the butyl. Nevertheless, I think I will
> >>>> replace the gasket when I can find a Canadian source.
> >>>>
> >>>> Another issue that might explain my difficulty getting a good seal is
> >>> that
> >>>> it looks to me like the flange on the cap might have been trimmed at
> some
> >>>> point. The lip is only about 1 1/4 inch wide and allows for only a
> single
> >>>> row of bolts. The base is quite a bit wider and appears to have had a
> >>>> second row of bolts at some point. It makes sense that both parts
> would
> >>> be
> >>>> the same width.
> >>>>
> >>>> I really don't want to take this apart again to replace the gasket and
> >>>> rebuild the cap.
> >>>>
> >>>> Graham
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> >>> Behalf
> >>>> Of Gary Novotny
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 2:40 PM
> >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
> >>>>
> >>>> Yep, totally agree that things bedded with urethane sealants are a
> bitch
> >>>> to remove. Only use this stuff as a last resort if you can?t find
> proper
> >>>> gasket material. Also I'd be sure the pendant and  all blocks are in
> >>>> excellent condition. If not, definitely replace. The problem I see
> with
> >>>> Butyl for this application is that it has no adhesive properties , so
> >>>> you are counting on the cap to trunk compression to keep it sealed and
> >>>> it?s not resilient like a neoprene gasket. If the trunk is subject to
> >>>> any significant flexing at all then the compression seal could start
> to
> >>>> develop leaks. If I did use Butyl tape, I'd keep a close eye on it.
> One
> >>>> good thing is that Butyl tape would be VERY easy to replace.
> >>>>
> >>>> Gary
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 8/18/2018 12:55 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
> >>>>> Like Gary I used butyl extensively as a bedding material for my
> >>> hardware
> >>>> and it is a dream to use compared to other sealants. The only place
> below
> >>>> the waterline where I used it was the centerboard cap and only then
> >>> because
> >>>> I was getting desperate to find a solution. Gary's cautionary note is
> >>> good
> >>>> reason to keep looking for the proper neoprene - something I will do
> >>>> if/when the butyl fails or I have to remove the cap for any other
> reason.
> >>>>> 4200 sealant is easier to remove than 5200, which is almost
> impossible
> >>>> without destroying the parts,  but would still be extremely difficult
> -
> >>>> especially for such a large area. When I bought my boat a previous
> owner
> >>>> had used one of those high-adhesive sealants  and I spent literally
> days
> >>>> getting the cap off using a torch to heat a large knife that I slowly
> >>> moved
> >>>> along the join. Even then I still broke the cap into two pieces and
> had
> >>> to
> >>>> make extensive repairs to the cap and the base.
> >>>>> I don't know if there is anything like butyl that has low adhesive
> >>>> characteristics and is still rated for below the waterline use.
> >>>>> For the time being the butyl is working but I will let the list know
> if
> >>>> it begins to fail - assuming the boat doesn't sink and take me with
> it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Graham Stewart
> >>>>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> >>>>> Kingston Ontario
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> >>>> Behalf Of Gary Novotny
> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:38 AM
> >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Guys,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I love Butyl tape, it's really great as a bedding compound. I
> completed
> >>>>> the first round of restoration on a boat (not my Rhodes) three months
> >>>>> ago and I used this stuff extensively for all the deck fittings and a
> >>>>> hatch. Butyl tape like all sealants needs a clean surface so use
> Remov
> >>>>> or DeBond first if the surface has prior sealant contamination. I
> can't
> >>>>> say enough good things about the ease of Butyl tape installation and
> >>>>> cleanup. All the leaking fittings are fixed now. It is too early for
> me
> >>>>> to report on longevity, but others have had very good results and
> when
> >>>>> you do need to re-bed its easy.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I wouldn't be comfortable using this below the waterline however. If
> >>> you
> >>>>> can't get neoprene sheet, you might be better off resorting to a
> >>>>> traditional moderately adhesive sealant like 3M 4200. (Do NOT use
> 5200)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Just my 2cents.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Gary
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 8/17/2018 2:56 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
> >>>>>> Patrick:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Glad to hear that there is another Rhodie in Canada. I thought Phil
> >>>> Gautier and I were the only ones.
> >>>>>> I replaced my gasket last year but was unable to find the proper
> >>>> neoprene. I finally got some neoprene from a neighbor but it wasn't
> >>> smooth
> >>>> surfaced so it leaked no matter how many bolts I added. I finally
> stopped
> >>>> the leaks by using butyl tape - not an ideal solution, but it worked
> >>> well.
> >>>> Butyl is an excellent sealant but has very low adhesive qualities so
> it
> >>>> should be easy to remove in the future should that be necessary. The
> tape
> >>>> is about 3/4" wide but I only used about half of that on both sides of
> >>> the
> >>>> gasket as I didn't want to have it squeeze into the centerboard slot.
> I
> >>>> would not use the butyl that comes in a tube. In fact only use the
> butyl
> >>> if
> >>>> you can't get the proper neoprene.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Graham Stewart
> >>>>>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> >>>>>> Kingston Ontario.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> >>>> Behalf Of Patrick Cheung
> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:11 PM
> >>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Gary,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I found the perfect one from Amazon but they won?t ship to Canada.
> >>>> Gonna keep looking.
> >>>>>> Thx, Patrick
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Patrick,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> When I did my centerboard trunk maintenance four years ago I used
> >>>> neoprene sheet I bought off of Amazon. It seems to have worked well.
> >>>>>>> Gary
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Moon shadow 1978 R22
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 8/17/2018 11:50 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Dear Rhodies,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It is time to repair the center board. I reached out to Stan for a
> >>>> piece of
> >>>>>>>> the rubber but he is super busy right now.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I seems to recall some Rhodies may have extra rubber left over
> from
> >>>> their
> >>>>>>>> repair. I am hoping I can buy a stripe off you, if you are willing
> >>> to
> >>>> sell.
> >>>>>>>> Patrick
> >>>>>>>> Duck, '84
> >>>>>>>> Lake Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
> >>>>>>>> __________________________________________________
> >>>>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>>>>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
> >>>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>>>>>>> __________________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Gary Novotny
> >>>>>>> 7309 S Indian River Drive
> >>>>>>> Fort Pierce Florida 34982
> >>>>>>> 772-4660956 home
> >>>>>>> 772-9715753 cell
> >>>>>>> gjnovotny at comcast.net
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> __________________________________________________
> >>>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>>>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
> >>> archives
> >>>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>>>>>> __________________________________________________
> >>>>>> __________________________________________________
> >>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
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> >>>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
> archives
> >>>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>>>>> __________________________________________________
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> __________________________________________________
> >>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
> archives
> >>>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>>>>> __________________________________________________
> >>>> --
> >>>> Gary Novotny
> >>>> 7309 S Indian River Drive
> >>>> Fort Pierce Florida 34982
> >>>> 772-4660956 home
> >>>> 772-9715753 cell
> >>>> gjnovotny at comcast.net
> >>>>
> >>>> __________________________________________________
> >>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>>>
> >>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
> archives go
> >>>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>>> __________________________________________________
> >>>>
> >>>> __________________________________________________
> >>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
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> >>>>
> >>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
> archives go
> >>>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>>> __________________________________________________
> >>>>
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
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> >>>
> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go
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> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>>
> >>>
> >> __________________________________________________
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>
> --
> Gary Novotny
> 7309 S Indian River Drive
> Fort Pierce Florida 34982
> 772-4660956 home
> 772-9715753 cell
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From Marc at babineauins.com  Mon Aug 20 11:20:24 2018
From: Marc at babineauins.com (Mrbabs)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 08:20:24 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mounting a GPS unit
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Hi Bob

I have had good luck with Sea Suckers.  They are suction devices with a
built in pump you can attach to any fiberglass surface.  I have a unit that
easily holds an iPad on a flexible arm and one for my iPhone. 

regards
Marc B.

s/v Baby Steps
2007/2013



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Westminster MA
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From gjnovotny at comcast.net  Mon Aug 20 11:26:21 2018
From: gjnovotny at comcast.net (Gary Novotny)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 11:26:21 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
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My bad, I guess I need my eyes checked again! Ha your right. Forget what 
I said

Gary


On 8/20/2018 11:14 AM, Hank wrote:
> Gary,
>
> Where do you see the centerboard?  It looks like asphalt and the roller
> from a trailer to me.
>
> Hank
>
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 11:10 AM Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> Your second picture looking down into the trunk shows what looks like
>> the top of the centerboard that is missing fiberglass on the top.
>>
>> If I'm correct, you probably know this already, but just in case, you
>> definitely want to re-glass and completely encapsulate the centerboard
>> to prevent water intrusion and prevent unwanted expansion.
>>
>> This is probably why you doing this project in the first place but not
>> knowing the full story I though I'd better state the obvious anyway.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> On 8/20/2018 8:48 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
>>> Graham, here?s the two pictures of the v block.  Hope pictures will go
>> through.
>>> I placed the order for neoprene.
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>>>> On Aug 19, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>> It is definitely closed cell, to my knowledge all neoprene is.   I
>> looked
>>>> at the different thicknesses and soft/firm and ordered two actually, a
>> 1/4"
>>>> that was more firm, and the 3/16.  When I got them, decided on the 3/16,
>>>> because once compressed, its basically solid rubber, and the surface of
>> my
>>>> trunk was less than perfectly smooth, so i chose it based on
>>>> compress-ability.
>>>>
>>>> I don't believe it leaks, but its never been in the water long enough to
>>>> really tell.  I'd wager it does, but without having a slip to keep it
>> in, i
>>>> have no real way to know.
>>>> --
>>>> Curtis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 8:41 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
>> wrote:
>>>>> The neoprene that Curtis found looks great but is referred to a
>> "sponge"
>>>>> neoprene. I expect that means it is softer than the usual stuff and
>> might
>>>>> make a better seal assuming that it is closed cell. Does anyone have a
>> more
>>>>> informed opinion than mine on this difference?
>>>>>
>>>>> Graham
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 7:26 PM
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>>>>>
>>>>> I used this from Amazon:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003HDILE4/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>>>>> on my 1979.  Seems to work, but mine is only in the water ~2-3 hours a
>>>>> time, and there is always water in the bilge when I start sailing (I
>>>>> believe due to the cockpit drains getting clogged, and the water
>> making up
>>>>> and in the cockpit storage, which drains through to the bilge.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Curtis
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 6:40 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just so that there is no confusion, I did make a neoprene gasket and
>> it
>>>>> is
>>>>>> installed. It is 3/16 thick but has a fine ribbed pattern that I think
>>>>> did
>>>>>> not compress enough to make a perfect seal. It might also be too hard.
>>>>> So I
>>>>>> am only using the butyl to give the neoprene a smoother surface - not
>>>>>> substituting the neoprene with the butyl. Nevertheless, I think I will
>>>>>> replace the gasket when I can find a Canadian source.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another issue that might explain my difficulty getting a good seal is
>>>>> that
>>>>>> it looks to me like the flange on the cap might have been trimmed at
>> some
>>>>>> point. The lip is only about 1 1/4 inch wide and allows for only a
>> single
>>>>>> row of bolts. The base is quite a bit wider and appears to have had a
>>>>>> second row of bolts at some point. It makes sense that both parts
>> would
>>>>> be
>>>>>> the same width.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I really don't want to take this apart again to replace the gasket and
>>>>>> rebuild the cap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of Gary Novotny
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 2:40 PM
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, totally agree that things bedded with urethane sealants are a
>> bitch
>>>>>> to remove. Only use this stuff as a last resort if you can?t find
>> proper
>>>>>> gasket material. Also I'd be sure the pendant and  all blocks are in
>>>>>> excellent condition. If not, definitely replace. The problem I see
>> with
>>>>>> Butyl for this application is that it has no adhesive properties , so
>>>>>> you are counting on the cap to trunk compression to keep it sealed and
>>>>>> it?s not resilient like a neoprene gasket. If the trunk is subject to
>>>>>> any significant flexing at all then the compression seal could start
>> to
>>>>>> develop leaks. If I did use Butyl tape, I'd keep a close eye on it.
>> One
>>>>>> good thing is that Butyl tape would be VERY easy to replace.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/18/2018 12:55 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
>>>>>>> Like Gary I used butyl extensively as a bedding material for my
>>>>> hardware
>>>>>> and it is a dream to use compared to other sealants. The only place
>> below
>>>>>> the waterline where I used it was the centerboard cap and only then
>>>>> because
>>>>>> I was getting desperate to find a solution. Gary's cautionary note is
>>>>> good
>>>>>> reason to keep looking for the proper neoprene - something I will do
>>>>>> if/when the butyl fails or I have to remove the cap for any other
>> reason.
>>>>>>> 4200 sealant is easier to remove than 5200, which is almost
>> impossible
>>>>>> without destroying the parts,  but would still be extremely difficult
>> -
>>>>>> especially for such a large area. When I bought my boat a previous
>> owner
>>>>>> had used one of those high-adhesive sealants  and I spent literally
>> days
>>>>>> getting the cap off using a torch to heat a large knife that I slowly
>>>>> moved
>>>>>> along the join. Even then I still broke the cap into two pieces and
>> had
>>>>> to
>>>>>> make extensive repairs to the cap and the base.
>>>>>>> I don't know if there is anything like butyl that has low adhesive
>>>>>> characteristics and is still rated for below the waterline use.
>>>>>>> For the time being the butyl is working but I will let the list know
>> if
>>>>>> it begins to fail - assuming the boat doesn't sink and take me with
>> it.
>>>>>>> Graham Stewart
>>>>>>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
>>>>>>> Kingston Ontario
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Gary Novotny
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:38 AM
>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I love Butyl tape, it's really great as a bedding compound. I
>> completed
>>>>>>> the first round of restoration on a boat (not my Rhodes) three months
>>>>>>> ago and I used this stuff extensively for all the deck fittings and a
>>>>>>> hatch. Butyl tape like all sealants needs a clean surface so use
>> Remov
>>>>>>> or DeBond first if the surface has prior sealant contamination. I
>> can't
>>>>>>> say enough good things about the ease of Butyl tape installation and
>>>>>>> cleanup. All the leaking fittings are fixed now. It is too early for
>> me
>>>>>>> to report on longevity, but others have had very good results and
>> when
>>>>>>> you do need to re-bed its easy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wouldn't be comfortable using this below the waterline however. If
>>>>> you
>>>>>>> can't get neoprene sheet, you might be better off resorting to a
>>>>>>> traditional moderately adhesive sealant like 3M 4200. (Do NOT use
>> 5200)
>>>>>>> Just my 2cents.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 8/17/2018 2:56 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
>>>>>>>> Patrick:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Glad to hear that there is another Rhodie in Canada. I thought Phil
>>>>>> Gautier and I were the only ones.
>>>>>>>> I replaced my gasket last year but was unable to find the proper
>>>>>> neoprene. I finally got some neoprene from a neighbor but it wasn't
>>>>> smooth
>>>>>> surfaced so it leaked no matter how many bolts I added. I finally
>> stopped
>>>>>> the leaks by using butyl tape - not an ideal solution, but it worked
>>>>> well.
>>>>>> Butyl is an excellent sealant but has very low adhesive qualities so
>> it
>>>>>> should be easy to remove in the future should that be necessary. The
>> tape
>>>>>> is about 3/4" wide but I only used about half of that on both sides of
>>>>> the
>>>>>> gasket as I didn't want to have it squeeze into the centerboard slot.
>> I
>>>>>> would not use the butyl that comes in a tube. In fact only use the
>> butyl
>>>>> if
>>>>>> you can't get the proper neoprene.
>>>>>>>> Graham Stewart
>>>>>>>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
>>>>>>>> Kingston Ontario.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Patrick Cheung
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:11 PM
>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gary,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I found the perfect one from Amazon but they won?t ship to Canada.
>>>>>> Gonna keep looking.
>>>>>>>> Thx, Patrick
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Patrick,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When I did my centerboard trunk maintenance four years ago I used
>>>>>> neoprene sheet I bought off of Amazon. It seems to have worked well.
>>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Moon shadow 1978 R22
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/17/2018 11:50 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Dear Rhodies,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It is time to repair the center board. I reached out to Stan for a
>>>>>> piece of
>>>>>>>>>> the rubber but he is super busy right now.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I seems to recall some Rhodies may have extra rubber left over
>> from
>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>> repair. I am hoping I can buy a stripe off you, if you are willing
>>>>> to
>>>>>> sell.
>>>>>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>>>>> Duck, '84
>>>>>>>>>> Lake Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
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>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Gary Novotny
>>>>>>>>> 7309 S Indian River Drive
>>>>>>>>> Fort Pierce Florida 34982
>>>>>>>>> 772-4660956 home
>>>>>>>>> 772-9715753 cell
>>>>>>>>> gjnovotny at comcast.net
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> __________________________________________________
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>>>>> archives
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>>>>>>>> __________________________________________________
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>>>>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> __________________________________________________
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>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Gary Novotny
>>>>>> 7309 S Indian River Drive
>>>>>> Fort Pierce Florida 34982
>>>>>> 772-4660956 home
>>>>>> 772-9715753 cell
>>>>>> gjnovotny at comcast.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
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>>>>> __________________________________________________
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>> go
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>> gjnovotny at comcast.net
>>
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Mon Aug 20 12:33:45 2018
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 12:33:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
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Patrick:

What year is your boat?

No one else has mentioned this so I might be wrong, but I suspect that the V block was added by a previous owner. I don't have one in my boat. The only purpose I can see for it would be to stop the centerboard from being pushed up into the cap. On my boat, and others according to other threads, there a pieces of garden hose (about 6") that are placed above the pivot pin in the slots for the pin in the side of the housing. Should the board be pushed up the pieces of hose compress. I don't see the slot on your boat and wonder if this V block was put in the slot or perhaps the picture is facing towards the aft of the boat and the slots were not included.

If you are repairing your rudder or centerboard you might check for voids - especially if there are any stress cracks or bulging in the gel coat. You can find the voids fairly easily by tapping on the outside with a wooden screwdriver handle. They can be filled fairly easily by drilling holes into the cavity and injecting epoxy or polyester resin. I was very surprised how much resin it took to fill the known cavities in both my centerboard and rudder. I also used three gallons of resin filling cavities in the keel but I had damage that may have resulted in material being lost.

Your picture appears to show fewer bolt holes in the trunk than I have. The refit kit that Stan supplies includes 50 machine screws so I assume that there should ideally be holes for them all. I have 54 because I added a few trying to stop the leak. Since you are already doing this work, you might consider adding a few. 

The picture was also useful for me as like mine, you have a single row of holes so perhaps that is the design standard. If anyone has a picture of their housing on a more recent boat that might be very helpful.

Graham

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Cheung
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 8:49 AM
To: Curtis Ruck; The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket

Graham, here?s the two pictures of the v block.  Hope pictures will go through.

I placed the order for neoprene.
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> On Aug 19, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> It is definitely closed cell, to my knowledge all neoprene is.   I looked
> at the different thicknesses and soft/firm and ordered two actually, a 1/4"
> that was more firm, and the 3/16.  When I got them, decided on the 3/16,
> because once compressed, its basically solid rubber, and the surface of my
> trunk was less than perfectly smooth, so i chose it based on
> compress-ability.
> 
> I don't believe it leaks, but its never been in the water long enough to
> really tell.  I'd wager it does, but without having a slip to keep it in, i
> have no real way to know.
> --
> Curtis
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 8:41 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> The neoprene that Curtis found looks great but is referred to a "sponge"
>> neoprene. I expect that means it is softer than the usual stuff and might
>> make a better seal assuming that it is closed cell. Does anyone have a more
>> informed opinion than mine on this difference?
>> 
>> Graham
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
>> Of Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list
>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 7:26 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>> 
>> I used this from Amazon:
>> 
>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003HDILE4/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>> on my 1979.  Seems to work, but mine is only in the water ~2-3 hours a
>> time, and there is always water in the bilge when I start sailing (I
>> believe due to the cockpit drains getting clogged, and the water making up
>> and in the cockpit storage, which drains through to the bilge.
>> --
>> Curtis
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 6:40 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Just so that there is no confusion, I did make a neoprene gasket and it
>> is
>>> installed. It is 3/16 thick but has a fine ribbed pattern that I think
>> did
>>> not compress enough to make a perfect seal. It might also be too hard.
>> So I
>>> am only using the butyl to give the neoprene a smoother surface - not
>>> substituting the neoprene with the butyl. Nevertheless, I think I will
>>> replace the gasket when I can find a Canadian source.
>>> 
>>> Another issue that might explain my difficulty getting a good seal is
>> that
>>> it looks to me like the flange on the cap might have been trimmed at some
>>> point. The lip is only about 1 1/4 inch wide and allows for only a single
>>> row of bolts. The base is quite a bit wider and appears to have had a
>>> second row of bolts at some point. It makes sense that both parts would
>> be
>>> the same width.
>>> 
>>> I really don't want to take this apart again to replace the gasket and
>>> rebuild the cap.
>>> 
>>> Graham
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>> Behalf
>>> Of Gary Novotny
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 2:40 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>>> 
>>> Yep, totally agree that things bedded with urethane sealants are a bitch
>>> to remove. Only use this stuff as a last resort if you can?t find proper
>>> gasket material. Also I'd be sure the pendant and  all blocks are in
>>> excellent condition. If not, definitely replace. The problem I see with
>>> Butyl for this application is that it has no adhesive properties , so
>>> you are counting on the cap to trunk compression to keep it sealed and
>>> it?s not resilient like a neoprene gasket. If the trunk is subject to
>>> any significant flexing at all then the compression seal could start to
>>> develop leaks. If I did use Butyl tape, I'd keep a close eye on it. One
>>> good thing is that Butyl tape would be VERY easy to replace.
>>> 
>>> Gary
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 8/18/2018 12:55 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
>>>> Like Gary I used butyl extensively as a bedding material for my
>> hardware
>>> and it is a dream to use compared to other sealants. The only place below
>>> the waterline where I used it was the centerboard cap and only then
>> because
>>> I was getting desperate to find a solution. Gary's cautionary note is
>> good
>>> reason to keep looking for the proper neoprene - something I will do
>>> if/when the butyl fails or I have to remove the cap for any other reason.
>>>> 
>>>> 4200 sealant is easier to remove than 5200, which is almost impossible
>>> without destroying the parts,  but would still be extremely difficult -
>>> especially for such a large area. When I bought my boat a previous owner
>>> had used one of those high-adhesive sealants  and I spent literally days
>>> getting the cap off using a torch to heat a large knife that I slowly
>> moved
>>> along the join. Even then I still broke the cap into two pieces and had
>> to
>>> make extensive repairs to the cap and the base.
>>>> 
>>>> I don't know if there is anything like butyl that has low adhesive
>>> characteristics and is still rated for below the waterline use.
>>>> 
>>>> For the time being the butyl is working but I will let the list know if
>>> it begins to fail - assuming the boat doesn't sink and take me with it.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Graham Stewart
>>>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
>>>> Kingston Ontario
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Gary Novotny
>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:38 AM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>>>> 
>>>> Guys,
>>>> 
>>>> I love Butyl tape, it's really great as a bedding compound. I completed
>>>> the first round of restoration on a boat (not my Rhodes) three months
>>>> ago and I used this stuff extensively for all the deck fittings and a
>>>> hatch. Butyl tape like all sealants needs a clean surface so use Remov
>>>> or DeBond first if the surface has prior sealant contamination. I can't
>>>> say enough good things about the ease of Butyl tape installation and
>>>> cleanup. All the leaking fittings are fixed now. It is too early for me
>>>> to report on longevity, but others have had very good results and when
>>>> you do need to re-bed its easy.
>>>> 
>>>> I wouldn't be comfortable using this below the waterline however. If
>> you
>>>> can't get neoprene sheet, you might be better off resorting to a
>>>> traditional moderately adhesive sealant like 3M 4200. (Do NOT use 5200)
>>>> 
>>>> Just my 2cents.
>>>> 
>>>> Gary
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 8/17/2018 2:56 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
>>>>> Patrick:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Glad to hear that there is another Rhodie in Canada. I thought Phil
>>> Gautier and I were the only ones.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I replaced my gasket last year but was unable to find the proper
>>> neoprene. I finally got some neoprene from a neighbor but it wasn't
>> smooth
>>> surfaced so it leaked no matter how many bolts I added. I finally stopped
>>> the leaks by using butyl tape - not an ideal solution, but it worked
>> well.
>>> Butyl is an excellent sealant but has very low adhesive qualities so it
>>> should be easy to remove in the future should that be necessary. The tape
>>> is about 3/4" wide but I only used about half of that on both sides of
>> the
>>> gasket as I didn't want to have it squeeze into the centerboard slot. I
>>> would not use the butyl that comes in a tube. In fact only use the butyl
>> if
>>> you can't get the proper neoprene.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Graham Stewart
>>>>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
>>>>> Kingston Ontario.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Patrick Cheung
>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:11 PM
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>>>>> 
>>>>> Gary,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I found the perfect one from Amazon but they won?t ship to Canada.
>>> Gonna keep looking.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thx, Patrick
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Patrick,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> When I did my centerboard trunk maintenance four years ago I used
>>> neoprene sheet I bought off of Amazon. It seems to have worked well.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Moon shadow 1978 R22
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 8/17/2018 11:50 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
>>>>>>> Dear Rhodies,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It is time to repair the center board. I reached out to Stan for a
>>> piece of
>>>>>>> the rubber but he is super busy right now.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I seems to recall some Rhodies may have extra rubber left over from
>>> their
>>>>>>> repair. I am hoping I can buy a stripe off you, if you are willing
>> to
>>> sell.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>> Duck, '84
>>>>>>> Lake Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
>>>>>>> __________________________________________________
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>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Gary Novotny
>>>>>> 7309 S Indian River Drive
>>>>>> Fort Pierce Florida 34982
>>>>>> 772-4660956 home
>>>>>> 772-9715753 cell
>>>>>> gjnovotny at comcast.net
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> __________________________________________________
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>> archives
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>>>>> __________________________________________________
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>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> __________________________________________________
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>>>>> 
>>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
>>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Gary Novotny
>>> 7309 S Indian River Drive
>>> Fort Pierce Florida 34982
>>> 772-4660956 home
>>> 772-9715753 cell
>>> gjnovotny at comcast.net
>>> 
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From retiredtoby at gmail.com  Mon Aug 20 12:41:57 2018
From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 12:41:57 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Helping Other Rhodies
Message-ID: <CAPQvPRr4rHyQQX471krWMZS=843ZEPzXU26D0-VHrjR1vXJGqg@mail.gmail.com>

I really love the way the "List Members" are always stepping up to assist
other owners with their problems or just question. I feel I could not sell
my Rhodes 22 to someone that JUST wants a sailboat. They would need to WANT
a Rhodes 22.

Cary
s/v Whisper
Radford, VA

From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Mon Aug 20 13:41:17 2018
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 13:41:17 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mounting a GPS
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Yes - I made it out of a scrap piece of mahogany.
I must say though, the chart on my iPad with ?INAV? is significantly better than the Dragonfly standard charts. 
A new chart is expensive. 
Ric

Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
www.stottarchitecture.com <http://www.stottarchitecture.com/>
Office	631-283-1777
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> On Aug 20, 2018, at 10:44 AM, Robert Louis Weiss <rweiss at siu.edu <mailto:rweiss at siu.edu>> wrote:
> 
> I love this wooden mount that swivels out. And that is the same GPS unit I have. I suppose you manufactured this yourself?
> 
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> 
> Robert L Weiss Jr.
> Director of Music
> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
> Professor Emeritus, SIUC
> ________________________________
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Mon Aug 20 13:53:18 2018
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 13:53:18 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Helping Other Rhodies
In-Reply-To: <CAPQvPRr4rHyQQX471krWMZS=843ZEPzXU26D0-VHrjR1vXJGqg@mail.gmail.com>
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As Yogi Berra once said: If you don't go to other people's funerals they
won't come to yours.
Graham

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Cary Tolbert
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 12:42 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Helping Other Rhodies

I really love the way the "List Members" are always stepping up to assist
other owners with their problems or just question. I feel I could not sell
my Rhodes 22 to someone that JUST wants a sailboat. They would need to WANT
a Rhodes 22.

Cary
s/v Whisper
Radford, VA
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From chitakcheung at gmail.com  Mon Aug 20 14:36:53 2018
From: chitakcheung at gmail.com (Patrick Cheung)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 14:36:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
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Graham,

My boat is from 1984. I had 48 screws, I shall replace with lock nut, bolt
and washers.

I remembered reading the archive, I am not the only one with V block, he
also had the problem with leak through the screws penetrated through the
side wall.

This V block is approximately 6" from the Aft. The black marker line on the
flange is approx. 6" from the aft.

My original problem is the center board unable to be lowered. After opening
the cap, I found the control line is oversized, and it is unable to pass
through 2 of the 4 blocks happily. I shall replace with 1/4" line. The rest
of the system, blocks, center board all seems to be ok. So this should be a
easy fix. Patch the 2 holes, new paint for the trunk and the board, new
neoprene. That should do it.

patrick



On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 12:34 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> Patrick:
>
> What year is your boat?
>
> No one else has mentioned this so I might be wrong, but I suspect that the
> V block was added by a previous owner. I don't have one in my boat. The
> only purpose I can see for it would be to stop the centerboard from being
> pushed up into the cap. On my boat, and others according to other threads,
> there a pieces of garden hose (about 6") that are placed above the pivot
> pin in the slots for the pin in the side of the housing. Should the board
> be pushed up the pieces of hose compress. I don't see the slot on your boat
> and wonder if this V block was put in the slot or perhaps the picture is
> facing towards the aft of the boat and the slots were not included.
>
> If you are repairing your rudder or centerboard you might check for voids
> - especially if there are any stress cracks or bulging in the gel coat. You
> can find the voids fairly easily by tapping on the outside with a wooden
> screwdriver handle. They can be filled fairly easily by drilling holes into
> the cavity and injecting epoxy or polyester resin. I was very surprised how
> much resin it took to fill the known cavities in both my centerboard and
> rudder. I also used three gallons of resin filling cavities in the keel but
> I had damage that may have resulted in material being lost.
>
> Your picture appears to show fewer bolt holes in the trunk than I have.
> The refit kit that Stan supplies includes 50 machine screws so I assume
> that there should ideally be holes for them all. I have 54 because I added
> a few trying to stop the leak. Since you are already doing this work, you
> might consider adding a few.
>
> The picture was also useful for me as like mine, you have a single row of
> holes so perhaps that is the design standard. If anyone has a picture of
> their housing on a more recent boat that might be very helpful.
>
> Graham
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of Patrick Cheung
> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 8:49 AM
> To: Curtis Ruck; The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>
> Graham, here?s the two pictures of the v block.  Hope pictures will go
> through.
>
> I placed the order for neoprene.
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> > On Aug 19, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > It is definitely closed cell, to my knowledge all neoprene is.   I looked
> > at the different thicknesses and soft/firm and ordered two actually, a
> 1/4"
> > that was more firm, and the 3/16.  When I got them, decided on the 3/16,
> > because once compressed, its basically solid rubber, and the surface of
> my
> > trunk was less than perfectly smooth, so i chose it based on
> > compress-ability.
> >
> > I don't believe it leaks, but its never been in the water long enough to
> > really tell.  I'd wager it does, but without having a slip to keep it
> in, i
> > have no real way to know.
> > --
> > Curtis
> >
> >
> >> On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 8:41 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> The neoprene that Curtis found looks great but is referred to a "sponge"
> >> neoprene. I expect that means it is softer than the usual stuff and
> might
> >> make a better seal assuming that it is closed cell. Does anyone have a
> more
> >> informed opinion than mine on this difference?
> >>
> >> Graham
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf
> >> Of Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list
> >> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 7:26 PM
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
> >>
> >> I used this from Amazon:
> >>
> >>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003HDILE4/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
> >> on my 1979.  Seems to work, but mine is only in the water ~2-3 hours a
> >> time, and there is always water in the bilge when I start sailing (I
> >> believe due to the cockpit drains getting clogged, and the water making
> up
> >> and in the cockpit storage, which drains through to the bilge.
> >> --
> >> Curtis
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 6:40 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Just so that there is no confusion, I did make a neoprene gasket and it
> >> is
> >>> installed. It is 3/16 thick but has a fine ribbed pattern that I think
> >> did
> >>> not compress enough to make a perfect seal. It might also be too hard.
> >> So I
> >>> am only using the butyl to give the neoprene a smoother surface - not
> >>> substituting the neoprene with the butyl. Nevertheless, I think I will
> >>> replace the gasket when I can find a Canadian source.
> >>>
> >>> Another issue that might explain my difficulty getting a good seal is
> >> that
> >>> it looks to me like the flange on the cap might have been trimmed at
> some
> >>> point. The lip is only about 1 1/4 inch wide and allows for only a
> single
> >>> row of bolts. The base is quite a bit wider and appears to have had a
> >>> second row of bolts at some point. It makes sense that both parts would
> >> be
> >>> the same width.
> >>>
> >>> I really don't want to take this apart again to replace the gasket and
> >>> rebuild the cap.
> >>>
> >>> Graham
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> >> Behalf
> >>> Of Gary Novotny
> >>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 2:40 PM
> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
> >>>
> >>> Yep, totally agree that things bedded with urethane sealants are a
> bitch
> >>> to remove. Only use this stuff as a last resort if you can?t find
> proper
> >>> gasket material. Also I'd be sure the pendant and  all blocks are in
> >>> excellent condition. If not, definitely replace. The problem I see with
> >>> Butyl for this application is that it has no adhesive properties , so
> >>> you are counting on the cap to trunk compression to keep it sealed and
> >>> it?s not resilient like a neoprene gasket. If the trunk is subject to
> >>> any significant flexing at all then the compression seal could start to
> >>> develop leaks. If I did use Butyl tape, I'd keep a close eye on it. One
> >>> good thing is that Butyl tape would be VERY easy to replace.
> >>>
> >>> Gary
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 8/18/2018 12:55 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
> >>>> Like Gary I used butyl extensively as a bedding material for my
> >> hardware
> >>> and it is a dream to use compared to other sealants. The only place
> below
> >>> the waterline where I used it was the centerboard cap and only then
> >> because
> >>> I was getting desperate to find a solution. Gary's cautionary note is
> >> good
> >>> reason to keep looking for the proper neoprene - something I will do
> >>> if/when the butyl fails or I have to remove the cap for any other
> reason.
> >>>>
> >>>> 4200 sealant is easier to remove than 5200, which is almost impossible
> >>> without destroying the parts,  but would still be extremely difficult -
> >>> especially for such a large area. When I bought my boat a previous
> owner
> >>> had used one of those high-adhesive sealants  and I spent literally
> days
> >>> getting the cap off using a torch to heat a large knife that I slowly
> >> moved
> >>> along the join. Even then I still broke the cap into two pieces and had
> >> to
> >>> make extensive repairs to the cap and the base.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't know if there is anything like butyl that has low adhesive
> >>> characteristics and is still rated for below the waterline use.
> >>>>
> >>>> For the time being the butyl is working but I will let the list know
> if
> >>> it begins to fail - assuming the boat doesn't sink and take me with it.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Graham Stewart
> >>>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> >>>> Kingston Ontario
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> >>> Behalf Of Gary Novotny
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:38 AM
> >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
> >>>>
> >>>> Guys,
> >>>>
> >>>> I love Butyl tape, it's really great as a bedding compound. I
> completed
> >>>> the first round of restoration on a boat (not my Rhodes) three months
> >>>> ago and I used this stuff extensively for all the deck fittings and a
> >>>> hatch. Butyl tape like all sealants needs a clean surface so use Remov
> >>>> or DeBond first if the surface has prior sealant contamination. I
> can't
> >>>> say enough good things about the ease of Butyl tape installation and
> >>>> cleanup. All the leaking fittings are fixed now. It is too early for
> me
> >>>> to report on longevity, but others have had very good results and when
> >>>> you do need to re-bed its easy.
> >>>>
> >>>> I wouldn't be comfortable using this below the waterline however. If
> >> you
> >>>> can't get neoprene sheet, you might be better off resorting to a
> >>>> traditional moderately adhesive sealant like 3M 4200. (Do NOT use
> 5200)
> >>>>
> >>>> Just my 2cents.
> >>>>
> >>>> Gary
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 8/17/2018 2:56 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
> >>>>> Patrick:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Glad to hear that there is another Rhodie in Canada. I thought Phil
> >>> Gautier and I were the only ones.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I replaced my gasket last year but was unable to find the proper
> >>> neoprene. I finally got some neoprene from a neighbor but it wasn't
> >> smooth
> >>> surfaced so it leaked no matter how many bolts I added. I finally
> stopped
> >>> the leaks by using butyl tape - not an ideal solution, but it worked
> >> well.
> >>> Butyl is an excellent sealant but has very low adhesive qualities so it
> >>> should be easy to remove in the future should that be necessary. The
> tape
> >>> is about 3/4" wide but I only used about half of that on both sides of
> >> the
> >>> gasket as I didn't want to have it squeeze into the centerboard slot. I
> >>> would not use the butyl that comes in a tube. In fact only use the
> butyl
> >> if
> >>> you can't get the proper neoprene.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Graham Stewart
> >>>>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> >>>>> Kingston Ontario.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> >>> Behalf Of Patrick Cheung
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:11 PM
> >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Gary,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I found the perfect one from Amazon but they won?t ship to Canada.
> >>> Gonna keep looking.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thx, Patrick
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Aug 17, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Patrick,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> When I did my centerboard trunk maintenance four years ago I used
> >>> neoprene sheet I bought off of Amazon. It seems to have worked well.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Gary
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Moon shadow 1978 R22
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 8/17/2018 11:50 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
> >>>>>>> Dear Rhodies,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It is time to repair the center board. I reached out to Stan for a
> >>> piece of
> >>>>>>> the rubber but he is super busy right now.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I seems to recall some Rhodies may have extra rubber left over from
> >>> their
> >>>>>>> repair. I am hoping I can buy a stripe off you, if you are willing
> >> to
> >>> sell.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Patrick
> >>>>>>> Duck, '84
> >>>>>>> Lake Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
> >>>>>>> __________________________________________________
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> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>> __________________________________________________
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Gary Novotny
> >>>>>> 7309 S Indian River Drive
> >>>>>> Fort Pierce Florida 34982
> >>>>>> 772-4660956 home
> >>>>>> 772-9715753 cell
> >>>>>> gjnovotny at comcast.net
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> __________________________________________________
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> >>>>>>
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> >> archives
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> >>> --
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> >>> 772-4660956 home
> >>> 772-9715753 cell
> >>> gjnovotny at comcast.net
> >>>
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From rweiss at siu.edu  Mon Aug 20 15:15:43 2018
From: rweiss at siu.edu (Robert Louis Weiss)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 19:15:43 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mounting a GPS
In-Reply-To: <D13AA70C-4129-45A5-B2C1-1D5895579585@stottarchitecture.com>
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If you decide to quit using your Dragonfly and want to sell the wooden mount, I would gladly pay you a good price for it. ?


Bob


Robert L Weiss Jr.
Director of Music
First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
Professor Emeritus, SIUC
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Richard Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 12:41:17 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mounting a GPS

Yes - I made it out of a scrap piece of mahogany.
I must say though, the chart on my iPad with ?INAV? is significantly better than the Dragonfly standard charts.
A new chart is expensive.
Ric

Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
www.stottarchitecture.com<http://www.stottarchitecture.com> <http://www.stottarchitecture.com/>
Office  631-283-1777
Cell            516-965-3164





> On Aug 20, 2018, at 10:44 AM, Robert Louis Weiss <rweiss at siu.edu <mailto:rweiss at siu.edu>> wrote:
>
> I love this wooden mount that swivels out. And that is the same GPS unit I have. I suppose you manufactured this yourself?
>
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> Robert L Weiss Jr.
> Director of Music
> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
> Professor Emeritus, SIUC
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>> on behalf of Richard Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com>>
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Mon Aug 20 15:18:02 2018
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 19:18:02 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mounting a GPS
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Richard,
Not everyone has a scrap piece of mahogany lying around nor the skills to do something with it.  Very nice! - rob



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Richard Stott
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 1:41 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mounting a GPS

Yes - I made it out of a scrap piece of mahogany.
I must say though, the chart on my iPad with ?INAV? is significantly better than the Dragonfly standard charts. 
A new chart is expensive. 
Ric

Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
www.stottarchitecture.com <http://www.stottarchitecture.com/>
Office	631-283-1777
Cell		516-965-3164 





> On Aug 20, 2018, at 10:44 AM, Robert Louis Weiss <rweiss at siu.edu <mailto:rweiss at siu.edu>> wrote:
> 
> I love this wooden mount that swivels out. And that is the same GPS unit I have. I suppose you manufactured this yourself?
> 
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> 
> Robert L Weiss Jr.
> Director of Music
> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
> Professor Emeritus, SIUC
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>> on behalf of Richard Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com>>
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Mon Aug 20 17:14:13 2018
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 17:14:13 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mounting a GPS
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Roger that!

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> On Aug 20, 2018, at 3:15 PM, Robert Louis Weiss <rweiss at siu.edu> wrote:
> 
> If you decide to quit using your Dragonfly and want to sell the wooden mount, I would gladly pay you a good price for it. ?
> 
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> Robert L Weiss Jr.
> Director of Music
> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
> Professor Emeritus, SIUC
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Richard Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 12:41:17 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mounting a GPS
> 
> Yes - I made it out of a scrap piece of mahogany.
> I must say though, the chart on my iPad with ?INAV? is significantly better than the Dragonfly standard charts.
> A new chart is expensive.
> Ric
> 
> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> www.stottarchitecture.com<http://www.stottarchitecture.com> <http://www.stottarchitecture.com/>
> Office  631-283-1777
> Cell            516-965-3164
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 20, 2018, at 10:44 AM, Robert Louis Weiss <rweiss at siu.edu <mailto:rweiss at siu.edu>> wrote:
>> 
>> I love this wooden mount that swivels out. And that is the same GPS unit I have. I suppose you manufactured this yourself?
>> 
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Robert L Weiss Jr.
>> Director of Music
>> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
>> Professor Emeritus, SIUC
>> ________________________________
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>> on behalf of Richard Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com>>
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Mon Aug 20 17:57:34 2018
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 17:57:34 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Helping Other Rhodies
In-Reply-To: <010e01d438ae$ad64b3f0$082e1bd0$@ca>
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Graham: Yogi said that he had never uttered those words.  Sure sounds like
him.  I wonder if you attend a person's funeral, do THEY REALLY show up at
yours?  Hmmm...

Of course, on this forum, I tend to appreciate a quote purportedly from
Jimmy Dean a bit more, "I can't change the direction of the wind, but I can
adjust my sails to always reach my destination."

Cary: THANK YOU!  It is exactly why I stepped up to host da list.  We are
served by Amazon Web Services.  I am trying to find a way of making sure
that this email list continues, even if I reach my final destination.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass  ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Graham Stewart
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 1:53 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Helping Other Rhodies

As Yogi Berra once said: If you don't go to other people's funerals they
won't come to yours.
Graham


From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Mon Aug 20 18:14:52 2018
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 22:14:52 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Helping Other Rhodies
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Mike
Thank you for all you do.  I am also working on a number of ideas how to better serve the boating community both short and long term and will share more information as things progress


Please note our new office address and phone number

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On Aug 20, 2018, at 5:57 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com<mailto:mweisner at ebsmed.com>> wrote:

Graham: Yogi said that he had never uttered those words.  Sure sounds like
him.  I wonder if you attend a person's funeral, do THEY REALLY show up at
yours?  Hmmm...

Of course, on this forum, I tend to appreciate a quote purportedly from
Jimmy Dean a bit more, "I can't change the direction of the wind, but I can
adjust my sails to always reach my destination."

Cary: THANK YOU!  It is exactly why I stepped up to host da list.  We are
served by Amazon Web Services.  I am trying to find a way of making sure
that this email list continues, even if I reach my final destination.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass  ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Graham Stewart
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 1:53 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Helping Other Rhodies

As Yogi Berra once said: If you don't go to other people's funerals they
won't come to yours.
Graham

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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Mon Aug 20 18:46:03 2018
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 18:46:03 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
In-Reply-To: <CANexfAmefLwnp4bBg5v2Gsvw0TqWLurkQPHq5vr6OSGKU4evrw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANexfAn58=E7JwS08XiCL3vxVUNFhrOzv8RP6Qxmg6iKgRCQig@mail.gmail.com>
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 <f2d4e529-56c8-7a65-dffe-22b4b59f4bb3@comcast.net>
 <00bf01d43714$36ab8130$a4028390$@ca>
 <84122f5e-f4d5-a10b-1086-cce1d753b908@comcast.net>
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 <00d901d437ba$03c16e00$0b444a00$@ca>
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Message-ID: <011201d438d7$930d8d50$b928a7f0$@ca>

Patrick

Sounds good to me. Does anyone know what purpose the V block serves?
Graham

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Cheung
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 2:37 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket

Graham,

My boat is from 1984. I had 48 screws, I shall replace with lock nut, bolt
and washers.

I remembered reading the archive, I am not the only one with V block, he
also had the problem with leak through the screws penetrated through the
side wall.

This V block is approximately 6" from the Aft. The black marker line on the
flange is approx. 6" from the aft.

My original problem is the center board unable to be lowered. After opening
the cap, I found the control line is oversized, and it is unable to pass
through 2 of the 4 blocks happily. I shall replace with 1/4" line. The rest
of the system, blocks, center board all seems to be ok. So this should be a
easy fix. Patch the 2 holes, new paint for the trunk and the board, new
neoprene. That should do it.

patrick



On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 12:34 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> Patrick:
>
> What year is your boat?
>
> No one else has mentioned this so I might be wrong, but I suspect that the
> V block was added by a previous owner. I don't have one in my boat. The
> only purpose I can see for it would be to stop the centerboard from being
> pushed up into the cap. On my boat, and others according to other threads,
> there a pieces of garden hose (about 6") that are placed above the pivot
> pin in the slots for the pin in the side of the housing. Should the board
> be pushed up the pieces of hose compress. I don't see the slot on your boat
> and wonder if this V block was put in the slot or perhaps the picture is
> facing towards the aft of the boat and the slots were not included.
>
> If you are repairing your rudder or centerboard you might check for voids
> - especially if there are any stress cracks or bulging in the gel coat. You
> can find the voids fairly easily by tapping on the outside with a wooden
> screwdriver handle. They can be filled fairly easily by drilling holes into
> the cavity and injecting epoxy or polyester resin. I was very surprised how
> much resin it took to fill the known cavities in both my centerboard and
> rudder. I also used three gallons of resin filling cavities in the keel but
> I had damage that may have resulted in material being lost.
>
> Your picture appears to show fewer bolt holes in the trunk than I have.
> The refit kit that Stan supplies includes 50 machine screws so I assume
> that there should ideally be holes for them all. I have 54 because I added
> a few trying to stop the leak. Since you are already doing this work, you
> might consider adding a few.
>
> The picture was also useful for me as like mine, you have a single row of
> holes so perhaps that is the design standard. If anyone has a picture of
> their housing on a more recent boat that might be very helpful.
>
> Graham
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of Patrick Cheung
> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 8:49 AM
> To: Curtis Ruck; The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>
> Graham, here?s the two pictures of the v block.  Hope pictures will go
> through.
>
> I placed the order for neoprene.
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> > On Aug 19, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > It is definitely closed cell, to my knowledge all neoprene is.   I looked
> > at the different thicknesses and soft/firm and ordered two actually, a
> 1/4"
> > that was more firm, and the 3/16.  When I got them, decided on the 3/16,
> > because once compressed, its basically solid rubber, and the surface of
> my
> > trunk was less than perfectly smooth, so i chose it based on
> > compress-ability.
> >
> > I don't believe it leaks, but its never been in the water long enough to
> > really tell.  I'd wager it does, but without having a slip to keep it
> in, i
> > have no real way to know.
> > --
> > Curtis
> >
> >
> >> On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 8:41 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> The neoprene that Curtis found looks great but is referred to a "sponge"
> >> neoprene. I expect that means it is softer than the usual stuff and
> might
> >> make a better seal assuming that it is closed cell. Does anyone have a
> more
> >> informed opinion than mine on this difference?
> >>
> >> Graham
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf
> >> Of Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list
> >> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 7:26 PM
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
> >>
> >> I used this from Amazon:
> >>
> >>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003HDILE4/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
> >> on my 1979.  Seems to work, but mine is only in the water ~2-3 hours a
> >> time, and there is always water in the bilge when I start sailing (I
> >> believe due to the cockpit drains getting clogged, and the water making
> up
> >> and in the cockpit storage, which drains through to the bilge.
> >> --
> >> Curtis
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 6:40 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Just so that there is no confusion, I did make a neoprene gasket and it
> >> is
> >>> installed. It is 3/16 thick but has a fine ribbed pattern that I think
> >> did
> >>> not compress enough to make a perfect seal. It might also be too hard.
> >> So I
> >>> am only using the butyl to give the neoprene a smoother surface - not
> >>> substituting the neoprene with the butyl. Nevertheless, I think I will
> >>> replace the gasket when I can find a Canadian source.
> >>>
> >>> Another issue that might explain my difficulty getting a good seal is
> >> that
> >>> it looks to me like the flange on the cap might have been trimmed at
> some
> >>> point. The lip is only about 1 1/4 inch wide and allows for only a
> single
> >>> row of bolts. The base is quite a bit wider and appears to have had a
> >>> second row of bolts at some point. It makes sense that both parts would
> >> be
> >>> the same width.
> >>>
> >>> I really don't want to take this apart again to replace the gasket and
> >>> rebuild the cap.
> >>>
> >>> Graham
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> >> Behalf
> >>> Of Gary Novotny
> >>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 2:40 PM
> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
> >>>
> >>> Yep, totally agree that things bedded with urethane sealants are a
> bitch
> >>> to remove. Only use this stuff as a last resort if you can?t find
> proper
> >>> gasket material. Also I'd be sure the pendant and  all blocks are in
> >>> excellent condition. If not, definitely replace. The problem I see with
> >>> Butyl for this application is that it has no adhesive properties , so
> >>> you are counting on the cap to trunk compression to keep it sealed and
> >>> it?s not resilient like a neoprene gasket. If the trunk is subject to
> >>> any significant flexing at all then the compression seal could start to
> >>> develop leaks. If I did use Butyl tape, I'd keep a close eye on it. One
> >>> good thing is that Butyl tape would be VERY easy to replace.
> >>>
> >>> Gary
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 8/18/2018 12:55 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
> >>>> Like Gary I used butyl extensively as a bedding material for my
> >> hardware
> >>> and it is a dream to use compared to other sealants. The only place
> below
> >>> the waterline where I used it was the centerboard cap and only then
> >> because
> >>> I was getting desperate to find a solution. Gary's cautionary note is
> >> good
> >>> reason to keep looking for the proper neoprene - something I will do
> >>> if/when the butyl fails or I have to remove the cap for any other
> reason.
> >>>>
> >>>> 4200 sealant is easier to remove than 5200, which is almost impossible
> >>> without destroying the parts,  but would still be extremely difficult -
> >>> especially for such a large area. When I bought my boat a previous
> owner
> >>> had used one of those high-adhesive sealants  and I spent literally
> days
> >>> getting the cap off using a torch to heat a large knife that I slowly
> >> moved
> >>> along the join. Even then I still broke the cap into two pieces and had
> >> to
> >>> make extensive repairs to the cap and the base.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't know if there is anything like butyl that has low adhesive
> >>> characteristics and is still rated for below the waterline use.
> >>>>
> >>>> For the time being the butyl is working but I will let the list know
> if
> >>> it begins to fail - assuming the boat doesn't sink and take me with it.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Graham Stewart
> >>>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> >>>> Kingston Ontario
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> >>> Behalf Of Gary Novotny
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:38 AM
> >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
> >>>>
> >>>> Guys,
> >>>>
> >>>> I love Butyl tape, it's really great as a bedding compound. I
> completed
> >>>> the first round of restoration on a boat (not my Rhodes) three months
> >>>> ago and I used this stuff extensively for all the deck fittings and a
> >>>> hatch. Butyl tape like all sealants needs a clean surface so use Remov
> >>>> or DeBond first if the surface has prior sealant contamination. I
> can't
> >>>> say enough good things about the ease of Butyl tape installation and
> >>>> cleanup. All the leaking fittings are fixed now. It is too early for
> me
> >>>> to report on longevity, but others have had very good results and when
> >>>> you do need to re-bed its easy.
> >>>>
> >>>> I wouldn't be comfortable using this below the waterline however. If
> >> you
> >>>> can't get neoprene sheet, you might be better off resorting to a
> >>>> traditional moderately adhesive sealant like 3M 4200. (Do NOT use
> 5200)
> >>>>
> >>>> Just my 2cents.
> >>>>
> >>>> Gary
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 8/17/2018 2:56 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
> >>>>> Patrick:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Glad to hear that there is another Rhodie in Canada. I thought Phil
> >>> Gautier and I were the only ones.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I replaced my gasket last year but was unable to find the proper
> >>> neoprene. I finally got some neoprene from a neighbor but it wasn't
> >> smooth
> >>> surfaced so it leaked no matter how many bolts I added. I finally
> stopped
> >>> the leaks by using butyl tape - not an ideal solution, but it worked
> >> well.
> >>> Butyl is an excellent sealant but has very low adhesive qualities so it
> >>> should be easy to remove in the future should that be necessary. The
> tape
> >>> is about 3/4" wide but I only used about half of that on both sides of
> >> the
> >>> gasket as I didn't want to have it squeeze into the centerboard slot. I
> >>> would not use the butyl that comes in a tube. In fact only use the
> butyl
> >> if
> >>> you can't get the proper neoprene.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Graham Stewart
> >>>>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> >>>>> Kingston Ontario.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> >>> Behalf Of Patrick Cheung
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:11 PM
> >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Gary,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I found the perfect one from Amazon but they won?t ship to Canada.
> >>> Gonna keep looking.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thx, Patrick
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Aug 17, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Patrick,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> When I did my centerboard trunk maintenance four years ago I used
> >>> neoprene sheet I bought off of Amazon. It seems to have worked well.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Gary
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Moon shadow 1978 R22
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 8/17/2018 11:50 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
> >>>>>>> Dear Rhodies,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It is time to repair the center board. I reached out to Stan for a
> >>> piece of
> >>>>>>> the rubber but he is super busy right now.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I seems to recall some Rhodies may have extra rubber left over from
> >>> their
> >>>>>>> repair. I am hoping I can buy a stripe off you, if you are willing
> >> to
> >>> sell.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Patrick
> >>>>>>> Duck, '84
> >>>>>>> Lake Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
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> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Gary Novotny
> >>>>>> 7309 S Indian River Drive
> >>>>>> Fort Pierce Florida 34982
> >>>>>> 772-4660956 home
> >>>>>> 772-9715753 cell
> >>>>>> gjnovotny at comcast.net
> >>>>>>
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> >>> 7309 S Indian River Drive
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From mike at traildesign.com  Mon Aug 20 18:47:34 2018
From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 18:47:34 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mounting a GPS unit
In-Reply-To: <1534778424287-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1534701449818-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <CAAY+qo8SnLTKJ9YAdSOQ3uxAeLSW7gv9=iaHUgTmohnO=24_gw@mail.gmail.com>

I have both the RAM claw and the suction for the mount for my iPad. I just
took delivery of my recycled Rhodes so haven?t tested either yet, but am
confident the claw will fit any of the rails on the boat.

I used both to hold a gps and my iPhone on a dual sport motorcycle so I
know they?re tough.

They give you lots of mounting options so you don?t have to drill.

On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 11:22 AM Mrbabs <Marc at babineauins.com> wrote:

> Hi Bob
>
> I have had good luck with Sea Suckers.  They are suction devices with a
> built in pump you can attach to any fiberglass surface.  I have a unit that
> easily holds an iPad on a flexible arm and one for my iPhone.
>
> regards
> Marc B.
>
> s/v Baby Steps
> 2007/2013
>
>
>
> -----
> Marc B.
> s/v Baby Steps
> Westminster MA
> Sailing Narragansett Bay
>
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Mon Aug 20 19:58:51 2018
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 19:58:51 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
In-Reply-To: <011201d438d7$930d8d50$b928a7f0$@ca>
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Yea it acts as a stop/guide for the trailing edge of the center board blade when retracted to snug up to 
So -  ?snugger upper? it is. 
Ric
Sv Dadventure 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 20, 2018, at 6:46 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> Patrick
> 
> Sounds good to me. Does anyone know what purpose the V block serves?
> Graham
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Cheung
> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 2:37 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
> 
> Graham,
> 
> My boat is from 1984. I had 48 screws, I shall replace with lock nut, bolt
> and washers.
> 
> I remembered reading the archive, I am not the only one with V block, he
> also had the problem with leak through the screws penetrated through the
> side wall.
> 
> This V block is approximately 6" from the Aft. The black marker line on the
> flange is approx. 6" from the aft.
> 
> My original problem is the center board unable to be lowered. After opening
> the cap, I found the control line is oversized, and it is unable to pass
> through 2 of the 4 blocks happily. I shall replace with 1/4" line. The rest
> of the system, blocks, center board all seems to be ok. So this should be a
> easy fix. Patch the 2 holes, new paint for the trunk and the board, new
> neoprene. That should do it.
> 
> patrick
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 12:34 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Patrick:
>> 
>> What year is your boat?
>> 
>> No one else has mentioned this so I might be wrong, but I suspect that the
>> V block was added by a previous owner. I don't have one in my boat. The
>> only purpose I can see for it would be to stop the centerboard from being
>> pushed up into the cap. On my boat, and others according to other threads,
>> there a pieces of garden hose (about 6") that are placed above the pivot
>> pin in the slots for the pin in the side of the housing. Should the board
>> be pushed up the pieces of hose compress. I don't see the slot on your boat
>> and wonder if this V block was put in the slot or perhaps the picture is
>> facing towards the aft of the boat and the slots were not included.
>> 
>> If you are repairing your rudder or centerboard you might check for voids
>> - especially if there are any stress cracks or bulging in the gel coat. You
>> can find the voids fairly easily by tapping on the outside with a wooden
>> screwdriver handle. They can be filled fairly easily by drilling holes into
>> the cavity and injecting epoxy or polyester resin. I was very surprised how
>> much resin it took to fill the known cavities in both my centerboard and
>> rudder. I also used three gallons of resin filling cavities in the keel but
>> I had damage that may have resulted in material being lost.
>> 
>> Your picture appears to show fewer bolt holes in the trunk than I have.
>> The refit kit that Stan supplies includes 50 machine screws so I assume
>> that there should ideally be holes for them all. I have 54 because I added
>> a few trying to stop the leak. Since you are already doing this work, you
>> might consider adding a few.
>> 
>> The picture was also useful for me as like mine, you have a single row of
>> holes so perhaps that is the design standard. If anyone has a picture of
>> their housing on a more recent boat that might be very helpful.
>> 
>> Graham
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
>> Of Patrick Cheung
>> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 8:49 AM
>> To: Curtis Ruck; The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>> 
>> Graham, here?s the two pictures of the v block.  Hope pictures will go
>> through.
>> 
>> I placed the order for neoprene.
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>>> On Aug 19, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It is definitely closed cell, to my knowledge all neoprene is.   I looked
>>> at the different thicknesses and soft/firm and ordered two actually, a
>> 1/4"
>>> that was more firm, and the 3/16.  When I got them, decided on the 3/16,
>>> because once compressed, its basically solid rubber, and the surface of
>> my
>>> trunk was less than perfectly smooth, so i chose it based on
>>> compress-ability.
>>> 
>>> I don't believe it leaks, but its never been in the water long enough to
>>> really tell.  I'd wager it does, but without having a slip to keep it
>> in, i
>>> have no real way to know.
>>> --
>>> Curtis
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 8:41 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The neoprene that Curtis found looks great but is referred to a "sponge"
>>>> neoprene. I expect that means it is softer than the usual stuff and
>> might
>>>> make a better seal assuming that it is closed cell. Does anyone have a
>> more
>>>> informed opinion than mine on this difference?
>>>> 
>>>> Graham
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>> Behalf
>>>> Of Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list
>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 7:26 PM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>>>> 
>>>> I used this from Amazon:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003HDILE4/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>>>> on my 1979.  Seems to work, but mine is only in the water ~2-3 hours a
>>>> time, and there is always water in the bilge when I start sailing (I
>>>> believe due to the cockpit drains getting clogged, and the water making
>> up
>>>> and in the cockpit storage, which drains through to the bilge.
>>>> --
>>>> Curtis
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 6:40 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Just so that there is no confusion, I did make a neoprene gasket and it
>>>> is
>>>>> installed. It is 3/16 thick but has a fine ribbed pattern that I think
>>>> did
>>>>> not compress enough to make a perfect seal. It might also be too hard.
>>>> So I
>>>>> am only using the butyl to give the neoprene a smoother surface - not
>>>>> substituting the neoprene with the butyl. Nevertheless, I think I will
>>>>> replace the gasket when I can find a Canadian source.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Another issue that might explain my difficulty getting a good seal is
>>>> that
>>>>> it looks to me like the flange on the cap might have been trimmed at
>> some
>>>>> point. The lip is only about 1 1/4 inch wide and allows for only a
>> single
>>>>> row of bolts. The base is quite a bit wider and appears to have had a
>>>>> second row of bolts at some point. It makes sense that both parts would
>>>> be
>>>>> the same width.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I really don't want to take this apart again to replace the gasket and
>>>>> rebuild the cap.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Graham
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Gary Novotny
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 2:40 PM
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yep, totally agree that things bedded with urethane sealants are a
>> bitch
>>>>> to remove. Only use this stuff as a last resort if you can?t find
>> proper
>>>>> gasket material. Also I'd be sure the pendant and  all blocks are in
>>>>> excellent condition. If not, definitely replace. The problem I see with
>>>>> Butyl for this application is that it has no adhesive properties , so
>>>>> you are counting on the cap to trunk compression to keep it sealed and
>>>>> it?s not resilient like a neoprene gasket. If the trunk is subject to
>>>>> any significant flexing at all then the compression seal could start to
>>>>> develop leaks. If I did use Butyl tape, I'd keep a close eye on it. One
>>>>> good thing is that Butyl tape would be VERY easy to replace.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Gary
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 8/18/2018 12:55 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
>>>>>> Like Gary I used butyl extensively as a bedding material for my
>>>> hardware
>>>>> and it is a dream to use compared to other sealants. The only place
>> below
>>>>> the waterline where I used it was the centerboard cap and only then
>>>> because
>>>>> I was getting desperate to find a solution. Gary's cautionary note is
>>>> good
>>>>> reason to keep looking for the proper neoprene - something I will do
>>>>> if/when the butyl fails or I have to remove the cap for any other
>> reason.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 4200 sealant is easier to remove than 5200, which is almost impossible
>>>>> without destroying the parts,  but would still be extremely difficult -
>>>>> especially for such a large area. When I bought my boat a previous
>> owner
>>>>> had used one of those high-adhesive sealants  and I spent literally
>> days
>>>>> getting the cap off using a torch to heat a large knife that I slowly
>>>> moved
>>>>> along the join. Even then I still broke the cap into two pieces and had
>>>> to
>>>>> make extensive repairs to the cap and the base.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I don't know if there is anything like butyl that has low adhesive
>>>>> characteristics and is still rated for below the waterline use.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> For the time being the butyl is working but I will let the list know
>> if
>>>>> it begins to fail - assuming the boat doesn't sink and take me with it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Graham Stewart
>>>>>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
>>>>>> Kingston Ontario
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Gary Novotny
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:38 AM
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I love Butyl tape, it's really great as a bedding compound. I
>> completed
>>>>>> the first round of restoration on a boat (not my Rhodes) three months
>>>>>> ago and I used this stuff extensively for all the deck fittings and a
>>>>>> hatch. Butyl tape like all sealants needs a clean surface so use Remov
>>>>>> or DeBond first if the surface has prior sealant contamination. I
>> can't
>>>>>> say enough good things about the ease of Butyl tape installation and
>>>>>> cleanup. All the leaking fittings are fixed now. It is too early for
>> me
>>>>>> to report on longevity, but others have had very good results and when
>>>>>> you do need to re-bed its easy.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I wouldn't be comfortable using this below the waterline however. If
>>>> you
>>>>>> can't get neoprene sheet, you might be better off resorting to a
>>>>>> traditional moderately adhesive sealant like 3M 4200. (Do NOT use
>> 5200)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Just my 2cents.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 8/17/2018 2:56 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
>>>>>>> Patrick:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Glad to hear that there is another Rhodie in Canada. I thought Phil
>>>>> Gautier and I were the only ones.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I replaced my gasket last year but was unable to find the proper
>>>>> neoprene. I finally got some neoprene from a neighbor but it wasn't
>>>> smooth
>>>>> surfaced so it leaked no matter how many bolts I added. I finally
>> stopped
>>>>> the leaks by using butyl tape - not an ideal solution, but it worked
>>>> well.
>>>>> Butyl is an excellent sealant but has very low adhesive qualities so it
>>>>> should be easy to remove in the future should that be necessary. The
>> tape
>>>>> is about 3/4" wide but I only used about half of that on both sides of
>>>> the
>>>>> gasket as I didn't want to have it squeeze into the centerboard slot. I
>>>>> would not use the butyl that comes in a tube. In fact only use the
>> butyl
>>>> if
>>>>> you can't get the proper neoprene.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Graham Stewart
>>>>>>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
>>>>>>> Kingston Ontario.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Patrick Cheung
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 2:11 PM
>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rubber gasket
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Gary,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I found the perfect one from Amazon but they won?t ship to Canada.
>>>>> Gonna keep looking.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thx, Patrick
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Aug 17, 2018, at 1:32 PM, Gary Novotny <gjnovotny at comcast.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Patrick,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> When I did my centerboard trunk maintenance four years ago I used
>>>>> neoprene sheet I bought off of Amazon. It seems to have worked well.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Moon shadow 1978 R22
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 8/17/2018 11:50 AM, Patrick Cheung wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Dear Rhodies,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> It is time to repair the center board. I reached out to Stan for a
>>>>> piece of
>>>>>>>>> the rubber but he is super busy right now.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I seems to recall some Rhodies may have extra rubber left over from
>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> repair. I am hoping I can buy a stripe off you, if you are willing
>>>> to
>>>>> sell.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>>>> Duck, '84
>>>>>>>>> Lake Simcoe, Ontario, Canada
>>>>>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
>>>>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>>>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Gary Novotny
>>>>>>>> 7309 S Indian River Drive
>>>>>>>> Fort Pierce Florida 34982
>>>>>>>> 772-4660956 home
>>>>>>>> 772-9715753 cell
>>>>>>>> gjnovotny at comcast.net
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
>>>> archives
>>>>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
>> archives
>>>>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
>> archives
>>>>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Gary Novotny
>>>>> 7309 S Indian River Drive
>>>>> Fort Pierce Florida 34982
>>>>> 772-4660956 home
>>>>> 772-9715753 cell
>>>>> gjnovotny at comcast.net
>>>>> 
>>>>> __________________________________________________
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>>>>> 
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>> go
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>>>>> 
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>> go
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>>>>> 
>>>> __________________________________________________
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>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> 
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From mike at traildesign.com  Mon Aug 20 21:26:29 2018
From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 21:26:29 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Dazed and Confused
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References: <7CCD7F2E-C549-40C3-B03C-D5CA32625792@gmail.com>
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I?m in Edenton as I write this. I?m picking up a recycled 1988 Rhodes. We
did the sea trial this past Sat and Stan went out with us. GB is still
going with one full time employee (Tino) and some help from pt and friends.
The place has so much potential, I think the right person could really do a
lot with it. I really hope he finds someone to pick it back up.

Mike Riter
1988 Rhodes 22 (recycled 2018)
SV Emma B

On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 7:43 AM Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
wrote:

> Send me details about your boat to my email below.  I am one who tried
> unsuccessfully to partner.
>
>
> Please note our new office address and phone number
>
> Christopher P. Cowie  [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
>  [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
>
> 700 N Fairfax Street
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> On Aug 16, 2018, at 9:04 PM, Benjamin Cittadino <bencittadino at gmail.com
> <mailto:bencittadino at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi again Folks;
>
> While waiting for a response to my inquiry about whether General Boat
> still exists, whether the Certificate of Support exists, and what the best
> way to go about selling my boat is, I took a walk back through time in the
> archive and found this from Stan:
> "To all the great Rhodes owners on the List (persona non grata know who
> you are):
>
>
> As it must to all who pass this way, unless a strategic partner(s) line
> is tossed, the Rhodes 22 is being stocked for its sail into the sunset.
>
> Whatever gods may be, having collectively conspired with their tools of
> death (Elton's), dementia (Rose's) and old age (mine), are sending the
> Rhodes on its final sail to parts unknown.
>
> For private sale buyers and sellers who negotiated the C of S program
> out at their closings, the parts department is now closed.  GB
> Commitments, and plant projects under way, continue being honored.
>
> Thanks to all Rhodies who contributed to such a long running, fun
> adventure.  The Annapolis Show, being paid for, must go on.  For those
> who can make it, if I can, will see you then.
>
> stan?
>
> That was posted more than one year ago in May 2017. It sure sounds like
> Stan was closing up shop or at least looking for a buyer or partner.
> In light of the flat out statement by one contributor that the place is up
> and running it sounds even stranger that they can?t be reached by phone.
> I will surely be happy to give folks details about my boat (she?s a peach)
> directly but it sure would be nice to get a detailed straight story about
> where things stand with the business. I see a recent comment by Stan on
> this list so I am also a bit dazed about why he hasn?t chimed in with the
> facts. Maybe he?s traveling . Oh well, thanks to all
>
>
> __________________________________________________
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>
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Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
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From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Mon Aug 20 21:45:13 2018
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 01:45:13 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Dazed and Confused
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Find me.


Please note our new office address and phone number

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On Aug 20, 2018, at 9:26 PM, Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com<mailto:mike at traildesign.com>> wrote:

I?m in Edenton as I write this. I?m picking up a recycled 1988 Rhodes. We
did the sea trial this past Sat and Stan went out with us. GB is still
going with one full time employee (Tino) and some help from pt and friends.
The place has so much potential, I think the right person could really do a
lot with it. I really hope he finds someone to pick it back up.

Mike Riter
1988 Rhodes 22 (recycled 2018)
SV Emma B

On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 7:43 AM Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>>
wrote:

Send me details about your boat to my email below.  I am one who tried
unsuccessfully to partner.


Please note our new office address and phone number

Christopher P. Cowie  [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
[cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]

700 N Fairfax Street
<https://maps.google.com/?q=700+N+Fairfax+Street+%0D%0ASuite+304+%0D%0AAlexandria,+Virginia+22314+%0D%0A703&entry=gmail&source=g>
<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
Suite 304<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
Alexandria, Virginia 22314<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
703.717.9103<tel:703.717.9103> ex.204 ? 202.270.1470<tel:202.270.1470>
mobile
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On Aug 16, 2018, at 9:04 PM, Benjamin Cittadino <bencittadino at gmail.com<mailto:bencittadino at gmail.com>
<mailto:bencittadino at gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi again Folks;

While waiting for a response to my inquiry about whether General Boat
still exists, whether the Certificate of Support exists, and what the best
way to go about selling my boat is, I took a walk back through time in the
archive and found this from Stan:
"To all the great Rhodes owners on the List (persona non grata know who
you are):


As it must to all who pass this way, unless a strategic partner(s) line
is tossed, the Rhodes 22 is being stocked for its sail into the sunset.

Whatever gods may be, having collectively conspired with their tools of
death (Elton's), dementia (Rose's) and old age (mine), are sending the
Rhodes on its final sail to parts unknown.

For private sale buyers and sellers who negotiated the C of S program
out at their closings, the parts department is now closed.  GB
Commitments, and plant projects under way, continue being honored.

Thanks to all Rhodies who contributed to such a long running, fun
adventure.  The Annapolis Show, being paid for, must go on.  For those
who can make it, if I can, will see you then.

stan?

That was posted more than one year ago in May 2017. It sure sounds like
Stan was closing up shop or at least looking for a buyer or partner.
In light of the flat out statement by one contributor that the place is up
and running it sounds even stranger that they can?t be reached by phone.
I will surely be happy to give folks details about my boat (she?s a peach)
directly but it sure would be nice to get a detailed straight story about
where things stand with the business. I see a recent comment by Stan on
this list so I am also a bit dazed about why he hasn?t chimed in with the
facts. Maybe he?s traveling . Oh well, thanks to all


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From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Tue Aug 21 08:50:24 2018
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 12:50:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Dazed and Confused
References: <1876253413.259682.1534855824756.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1876253413.259682.1534855824756@mail.yahoo.com>

Mike enjoy? your new boat was nice to meet you a wife and Emma ? Mark S/V Fairwind? II.0 ? Hertford NC


-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Mon, Aug 20, 2018 9:26 pm
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Dazed and Confused

I?m in Edenton as I write this. I?m picking up a recycled 1988 Rhodes. We
did the sea trial this past Sat and Stan went out with us. GB is still
going with one full time employee (Tino) and some help from pt and friends.
The place has so much potential, I think the right person could really do a
lot with it. I really hope he finds someone to pick it back up.

Mike Riter
1988 Rhodes 22 (recycled 2018)
SV Emma B

On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 7:43 AM Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
wrote:

> Send me details about your boat to my email below.? I am one who tried
> unsuccessfully to partner.
>
>
> Please note our new office address and phone number
>
> Christopher P. Cowie? [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
>? [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
>
> 700 N Fairfax Street
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=700+N+Fairfax+Street+%0D%0ASuite+304+%0D%0AAlexandria,+Virginia+22314+%0D%0A703&entry=gmail&source=g>
> <x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> Suite 304<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> Alexandria, Virginia 22314<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> 703.717.9103<tel:703.717.9103> ex.204 ? 202.270.1470<tel:202.270.1470>
> mobile
> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
>
> [cid:image001.jpg at 01D24014.7A2D04E0]
> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
>
>
> On Aug 16, 2018, at 9:04 PM, Benjamin Cittadino <bencittadino at gmail.com
> <mailto:bencittadino at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi again Folks;
>
> While waiting for a response to my inquiry about whether General Boat
> still exists, whether the Certificate of Support exists, and what the best
> way to go about selling my boat is, I took a walk back through time in the
> archive and found this from Stan:
> "To all the great Rhodes owners on the List (persona non grata know who
> you are):
>
>
> As it must to all who pass this way, unless a strategic partner(s) line
> is tossed, the Rhodes 22 is being stocked for its sail into the sunset.
>
> Whatever gods may be, having collectively conspired with their tools of
> death (Elton's), dementia (Rose's) and old age (mine), are sending the
> Rhodes on its final sail to parts unknown.
>
> For private sale buyers and sellers who negotiated the C of S program
> out at their closings, the parts department is now closed.? GB
> Commitments, and plant projects under way, continue being honored.
>
> Thanks to all Rhodies who contributed to such a long running, fun
> adventure.? The Annapolis Show, being paid for, must go on.? For those
> who can make it, if I can, will see you then.
>
> stan?
>
> That was posted more than one year ago in May 2017. It sure sounds like
> Stan was closing up shop or at least looking for a buyer or partner.
> In light of the flat out statement by one contributor that the place is up
> and running it sounds even stranger that they can?t be reached by phone.
> I will surely be happy to give folks details about my boat (she?s a peach)
> directly but it sure would be nice to get a detailed straight story about
> where things stand with the business. I see a recent comment by Stan on
> this list so I am also a bit dazed about why he hasn?t chimed in with the
> facts. Maybe he?s traveling . Oh well, thanks to all
>
>
> __________________________________________________
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>
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Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Tue Aug 21 12:10:39 2018
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 12:10:39 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Helping Other Rhodies
In-Reply-To: <000901d438d0$ce4a8410$6adf8c30$@com>
References: <CAPQvPRr4rHyQQX471krWMZS=843ZEPzXU26D0-VHrjR1vXJGqg@mail.gmail.com>
 <010e01d438ae$ad64b3f0$082e1bd0$@ca> <000901d438d0$ce4a8410$6adf8c30$@com>
Message-ID: <CABkv36bhcgwE_buXHD8G1tG4uVemjVy3QhEZW=7z4-bN++h17Q@mail.gmail.com>

Mike,

Check out Google Groups.  Free and transferable.

Regards,

Rick

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Tue Aug 21 13:17:03 2018
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 13:17:03 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Helping Other Rhodies
In-Reply-To: <CABkv36bhcgwE_buXHD8G1tG4uVemjVy3QhEZW=7z4-bN++h17Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPQvPRr4rHyQQX471krWMZS=843ZEPzXU26D0-VHrjR1vXJGqg@mail.gmail.com>
 <010e01d438ae$ad64b3f0$082e1bd0$@ca> <000901d438d0$ce4a8410$6adf8c30$@com>
 <CABkv36bhcgwE_buXHD8G1tG4uVemjVy3QhEZW=7z4-bN++h17Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003301d43972$c89f8720$59de9560$@com>

Rick,

Thanks for the suggestion.  We tried GG years ago
(https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/rhodes22)
but there was an issue (I cannot remember what the problem was).

We also use Nabble (http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/) which mirrors
the www.rhodes22.org website email list.  When Nabble changed formats they
threw away much of our old content.

The current hosting plan provides our www.rhodes22.org website (infrequently
updated) as well as the email list.  If attachments are posted to the list,
the content and discussion will be preserved for new Rhodies.  Since there
are vintage 70's Rhodes 22 boats still in use, who knows how long "da list"
will prove useful.

We have proven to be a collection of individuals from many walks of life and
abilities all connected by the desire to sail (or rebuild) the Rhodes 22.
We should start planning our next meeting at the 2018 US Sailboat Show in
Annapolis, October 4-8.  Last year's after hours party was great.  Even Stan
enjoyed the celebration.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass  ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Rick Lange
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 12:11 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Helping Other Rhodies

Mike,

Check out Google Groups.  Free and transferable.

Regards,

Rick
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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Tue Aug 21 13:26:02 2018
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 13:26:02 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Helping Other Rhodies
In-Reply-To: <003301d43972$c89f8720$59de9560$@com>
References: <CAPQvPRr4rHyQQX471krWMZS=843ZEPzXU26D0-VHrjR1vXJGqg@mail.gmail.com>
 <010e01d438ae$ad64b3f0$082e1bd0$@ca> <000901d438d0$ce4a8410$6adf8c30$@com>
 <CABkv36bhcgwE_buXHD8G1tG4uVemjVy3QhEZW=7z4-bN++h17Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <003301d43972$c89f8720$59de9560$@com>
Message-ID: <CABkv36Z5hQZm341Oz8iw8DpgqUJU_shtDM0xqGU1fOSbsi_GTA@mail.gmail.com>

As with boats, different lists have trade-offs.

From stan at rhodes22.com  Tue Aug 21 14:53:20 2018
From: stan at rhodes22.com (Stan Spitzer)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 14:53:20 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Cowie and GB
Message-ID: <958d5de5-906b-7b74-9c07-ef7e6f98fcb2@rhodes22.com>


As long as Chris Cowie introduced this issue to the List, as one who is 
struggling in this era of alternate facts, I feel compelled to respond:

Chris is being a bit, OK a lot, disingenuous with his,? "I am one who 
tried unsuccessfully to partner".

I like Chris Cowie, as a Rhode owner.? I don't know how it may have 
worked out as a partner.? He never tried.? Chris is referring to a visit 
to the plant a few years ago when his offer was: ? In return for my 
giving him my waterfront house and a house on 5 commercial acres that I 
have near the plant and currently live in to care for Rose and the boat 
business, with its 9 industrial acres, he would see to it that Rose and 
I would have enough income to survive for the balance of our lives, or 
GB's, which ever ended first.? I smiled and he said that was just a 
negotiations starter. I did not see it, even as a starter. (As a sense 
of proportion for the accounting wired minds on the List, I value GB; 
its real and intangible assets, at 2 million.)

His interest in General Boats continued over the years but we could 
never bridge the gap between what I needed and what he was able and 
willing to provide:

With the loss of the input of my brother and wife, the company, with 
only 92 year old antique me left to do it all, needs /at-the-plant/ 
help.? Just one for instance: GB currently goes to one show, Annapolis.? 
Elton and I would go to as many as 10, from coast to coast and boarder 
to boarder.? We controlled sales volume by the number of shows we would 
attend.? Chris has a wonderful business; in return to adding GB to his 
empire, he would run GB from Washington. That translates to more, not 
less work for me.? He never would accept the reality of the on location, 
shoulder to shoulder, daily managing needs of the business.? He never 
made an offer to buying into the business,? his proposals were to earn 
ownership by doing the impossible of running it from afar.? Maybe if I 
were 80 again I could have cloned myself to accommodate him.

Bitten by the potential and fun of this business, he recently announced 
he would go into competition with GB and recycle Rhodes. So sit back and 
enjoy. Not since pre Facebook days, when the List was alive with 
political free speech, is news related to the Rhodes we all love, likely 
to become more entertaining.

stan




From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Tue Aug 21 15:47:53 2018
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 19:47:53 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Cowie and GB
In-Reply-To: <958d5de5-906b-7b74-9c07-ef7e6f98fcb2@rhodes22.com>
References: <958d5de5-906b-7b74-9c07-ef7e6f98fcb2@rhodes22.com>
Message-ID: <BN6PR18MB15530B5DB72794808E6BCE90D1310@BN6PR18MB1553.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>

Stan is correct that my proposal of a few years ago was not going to work for him so I backed off until he recently asked if I had any new partner ideas and I put together a team of three partners and an investor and visited the plant this year and included having one of the partners move full time to Edenton in time to help out with the 2018 boat show. After making the trip to visit Stan it seems even his new proposal would not work for Stan so again I have backed down. 

Christopher P. Cowie? ??

700 N Fairfax Street
Suite 304
Alexandria, Virginia 22314
703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile
[ccowie at cowieassociates.com]



Please consider the environment before printing this email.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Stan Spitzer
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 2:53 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Cowie and GB


As long as Chris Cowie introduced this issue to the List, as one who is struggling in this era of alternate facts, I feel compelled to respond:

Chris is being a bit, OK a lot, disingenuous with his,? "I am one who tried unsuccessfully to partner".

I like Chris Cowie, as a Rhode owner.? I don't know how it may have worked out as a partner.? He never tried.? Chris is referring to a visit to the plant a few years ago when his offer was: ? In return for my giving him my waterfront house and a house on 5 commercial acres that I have near the plant and currently live in to care for Rose and the boat business, with its 9 industrial acres, he would see to it that Rose and I would have enough income to survive for the balance of our lives, or GB's, which ever ended first.? I smiled and he said that was just a negotiations starter. I did not see it, even as a starter. (As a sense of proportion for the accounting wired minds on the List, I value GB; its real and intangible assets, at 2 million.)

His interest in General Boats continued over the years but we could never bridge the gap between what I needed and what he was able and willing to provide:

With the loss of the input of my brother and wife, the company, with only 92 year old antique me left to do it all, needs /at-the-plant/ help.? Just one for instance: GB currently goes to one show, Annapolis. Elton and I would go to as many as 10, from coast to coast and boarder to boarder.? We controlled sales volume by the number of shows we would attend.? Chris has a wonderful business; in return to adding GB to his empire, he would run GB from Washington. That translates to more, not less work for me.? He never would accept the reality of the on location, shoulder to shoulder, daily managing needs of the business.? He never made an offer to buying into the business,? his proposals were to earn ownership by doing the impossible of running it from afar.? Maybe if I were 80 again I could have cloned myself to accommodate him.

Bitten by the potential and fun of this business, he recently announced he would go into competition with GB and recycle Rhodes. So sit back and enjoy. Not since pre Facebook days, when the List was alive with political free speech, is news related to the Rhodes we all love, likely to become more entertaining.

stan



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From blue66corvette at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 21 15:58:53 2018
From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 19:58:53 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Cowie and GB
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR18MB15530B5DB72794808E6BCE90D1310@BN6PR18MB1553.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
References: <958d5de5-906b-7b74-9c07-ef7e6f98fcb2@rhodes22.com>,
 <BN6PR18MB15530B5DB72794808E6BCE90D1310@BN6PR18MB1553.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <DM5PR18MB1212C8F4552C96EB2673914DD9310@DM5PR18MB1212.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>

That sounds believable 

Thx

Sent from my iPhone

Charles Nieman
chasnieman at yahoo.com
469-955-9842

> On Aug 21, 2018, at 2:47 PM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com> wrote:
> 
> Stan is correct that my proposal of a few years ago was not going to work for him so I backed off until he recently asked if I had any new partner ideas and I put together a team of three partners and an investor and visited the plant this year and included having one of the partners move full time to Edenton in time to help out with the 2018 boat show. After making the trip to visit Stan it seems even his new proposal would not work for Stan so again I have backed down. 
> 
> Christopher P. Cowie    
> 
> 700 N Fairfax Street
> Suite 304
> Alexandria, Virginia 22314
> 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile
> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
> 
> 
> 
> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Stan Spitzer
> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 2:53 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Cowie and GB
> 
> 
> As long as Chris Cowie introduced this issue to the List, as one who is struggling in this era of alternate facts, I feel compelled to respond:
> 
> Chris is being a bit, OK a lot, disingenuous with his,  "I am one who tried unsuccessfully to partner".
> 
> I like Chris Cowie, as a Rhode owner.  I don't know how it may have worked out as a partner.  He never tried.  Chris is referring to a visit to the plant a few years ago when his offer was:   In return for my giving him my waterfront house and a house on 5 commercial acres that I have near the plant and currently live in to care for Rose and the boat business, with its 9 industrial acres, he would see to it that Rose and I would have enough income to survive for the balance of our lives, or GB's, which ever ended first.  I smiled and he said that was just a negotiations starter. I did not see it, even as a starter. (As a sense of proportion for the accounting wired minds on the List, I value GB; its real and intangible assets, at 2 million.)
> 
> His interest in General Boats continued over the years but we could never bridge the gap between what I needed and what he was able and willing to provide:
> 
> With the loss of the input of my brother and wife, the company, with only 92 year old antique me left to do it all, needs /at-the-plant/ help.  Just one for instance: GB currently goes to one show, Annapolis. Elton and I would go to as many as 10, from coast to coast and boarder to boarder.  We controlled sales volume by the number of shows we would attend.  Chris has a wonderful business; in return to adding GB to his empire, he would run GB from Washington. That translates to more, not less work for me.  He never would accept the reality of the on location, shoulder to shoulder, daily managing needs of the business.  He never made an offer to buying into the business,  his proposals were to earn ownership by doing the impossible of running it from afar.  Maybe if I were 80 again I could have cloned myself to accommodate him.
> 
> Bitten by the potential and fun of this business, he recently announced he would go into competition with GB and recycle Rhodes. So sit back and enjoy. Not since pre Facebook days, when the List was alive with political free speech, is news related to the Rhodes we all love, likely to become more entertaining.
> 
> stan
> 
> 
> 
> __________________________________________________
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> 
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From rweiss at siu.edu  Wed Aug 22 17:50:23 2018
From: rweiss at siu.edu (rweiss)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 14:50:23 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mounting a GPS
In-Reply-To: <38D3C983-57DD-4B68-91B1-F5FE1BBA16A0@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <B3F59AA9-4595-47EC-84FF-4C67DF154FCA@gmail.com>
 <BN6PR18MB155362943E0094E6B9E2C090D1320@BN6PR18MB1553.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
 <40E8BFB6-B324-4965-AEA1-8925D7E6BD63@stottarchitecture.com>
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 <D13AA70C-4129-45A5-B2C1-1D5895579585@stottarchitecture.com>
 <DM5PR07MB2860F66A37E97417F7CA9364C6320@DM5PR07MB2860.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <38D3C983-57DD-4B68-91B1-F5FE1BBA16A0@stottarchitecture.com>
Message-ID: <1534974623021-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

The RAM mounting hardware worked well.  Not nearly as beautiful as Richard's
Mahogany mount, but adequate.
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t648/Raymarine_Dragonfly_5M.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t648/Raymarine_Dragonfly_5M_2.jpg> 




-----
Bob Weiss
Beach Spring
1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014
--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Thu Aug 23 06:59:57 2018
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 06:59:57 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mounting a GPS
In-Reply-To: <1534974623021-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <B3F59AA9-4595-47EC-84FF-4C67DF154FCA@gmail.com>
 <BN6PR18MB155362943E0094E6B9E2C090D1320@BN6PR18MB1553.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
 <40E8BFB6-B324-4965-AEA1-8925D7E6BD63@stottarchitecture.com>
 <DM5PR07MB286090A63995F8AF21E288ABC6320@DM5PR07MB2860.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <D13AA70C-4129-45A5-B2C1-1D5895579585@stottarchitecture.com>
 <DM5PR07MB2860F66A37E97417F7CA9364C6320@DM5PR07MB2860.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <38D3C983-57DD-4B68-91B1-F5FE1BBA16A0@stottarchitecture.com>
 <1534974623021-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <E6030C15-54A8-4968-BB09-6CDBF55A1167@stottarchitecture.com>

If I had been aware of that option I would have chosen the RAM 
That looks like a great solution. 
Ric
Sv Dadventure. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 22, 2018, at 5:50 PM, rweiss <rweiss at siu.edu> wrote:
> 
> The RAM mounting hardware worked well.  Not nearly as beautiful as Richard's
> Mahogany mount, but adequate.
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t648/Raymarine_Dragonfly_5M.jpg> 
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t648/Raymarine_Dragonfly_5M_2.jpg> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> Bob Weiss
> Beach Spring
> 1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014
> --
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From stan at rhodes22.com  Thu Aug 23 10:32:37 2018
From: stan at rhodes22.com (Stan Spitzer)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 10:32:37 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Cowie and GB
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR18MB1212C8F4552C96EB2673914DD9310@DM5PR18MB1212.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
References: <958d5de5-906b-7b74-9c07-ef7e6f98fcb2@rhodes22.com>
 <BN6PR18MB15530B5DB72794808E6BCE90D1310@BN6PR18MB1553.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
 <DM5PR18MB1212C8F4552C96EB2673914DD9310@DM5PR18MB1212.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <a799ced7-db13-f82f-8f64-9ef54db32e3b@rhodes22.com>

Charles, I'll have to use up one of my jury rejections with your "sounds 
believable" before your hearing the rebuttal to Chris's chapter 2.

Chris, you Chapter 2 statement,/"I put together a team of three partners 
and an investor and visited the plant"/? misleads the jurors.

In truth there were 3 in your entourage, no 4th *Investor.* In truth, 
for the entire few hours of your plant visit there was not a single 
mention of a single cent of investment.

Further, your e-mail to the List statement, "even this new proposal 
would not work for Stan" continues your misleading. This was not a new 
proposal. It was the same proposal: Ownership of General Boats in return 
for absentee long distance management.

Had you really brought an investor, I was fully evidence-prepared to 
talk investment.? Had you (or your partner) been willing to work with 
me, side by side to build on General Boats substantial assets in turning 
GB into a powerhouse business, I was fully prepared with a dossier of 
all the vertical and horizontal related business divisions this company 
is poised to expand into.? I was, and remain, open to such serious 
partnering.

Your original, and ongoing, offering of invisible long distance 
management is not an offer of serious partnering.? It is not a path to 
lightening the load on me but rather a corporate structure that would 
broaden my single handing chores.

I know, you are going to state that your offer this time was slightly 
different in that you brought with you the father of your partner who I 
could hire, train and house to help get the boats out for Annapolis.? At 
my age everyonelse is young, so age was not an issue.? The experienced 
management issue was that taking one of our two crew off production to 
orient and train a new employee is a slowing, not a speeding up, of our 
immediate goal.? Nevertheless I took this gentleman on a detailed verbal 
and visual tour of the operation.

In view of your e-mail advise that this was to be a two day meeting, we 
diligently diverted two workers, sorely needed for behind scheduled 
boats, to ready accommodations.? When I returned from the tour with your 
partner's father, to my surprise you were ready to leave; a unilateral 
decision: No next day serious give and take meeting.

stan





From Marc at babineauins.com  Thu Aug 23 15:10:51 2018
From: Marc at babineauins.com (Mrbabs)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 12:10:51 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Cowie and GB
In-Reply-To: <a799ced7-db13-f82f-8f64-9ef54db32e3b@rhodes22.com>
References: <958d5de5-906b-7b74-9c07-ef7e6f98fcb2@rhodes22.com>
 <BN6PR18MB15530B5DB72794808E6BCE90D1310@BN6PR18MB1553.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
 <DM5PR18MB1212C8F4552C96EB2673914DD9310@DM5PR18MB1212.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
 <a799ced7-db13-f82f-8f64-9ef54db32e3b@rhodes22.com>
Message-ID: <1535051451475-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

For Rhodies new and old, the continuation of General Boats is a positive
proposition.  Who wants to own an orphan boat, even if beautiful?

How the continuation occurs is solely in the hands of the well known and
very respected helmsman himself.  The term "partnering" can mean different
things to different people. Investments or partnerships can be made with
time, talent or treasure. Interested parties rightly want to know what their
ROI would be.

Those wishing to partner must set forth their vision of what a partnership
needs to look like to entice interest.

But if one assumes the value of the business and real estate is $2,000,000,
simple math says General Boats would have to generate a profit of $14,000
per month to amortize a 20 year note. You would need to sell X number of new
and recycled Rhodes to pay the operating expenses plus generate the required
profit? 

Maybe the real estate has a higher value than what a boat manufacturer can
support?  I don't know the answers to any of these questions, but now that
we have embarked on a public discussion, maybe a basic framework can be
established starting with Stan's wish list.  

Speaking for myself, I would like to be able to access and order parts
online!

We seem to be caught in the doldrums on this issue and although it's my hope
Stan lives another 92 years, the time and tide wait for no man. 

Humble and respectful,
I remain

Marc B.
s/v Baby Steps  2007/2013
Westminster, MA






-----
Marc B.
s/v Baby Steps 
Westminster MA
Sailing Narragansett Bay

--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From stan at rhodes22.com  Fri Aug 24 08:44:17 2018
From: stan at rhodes22.com (Stan Spitzer)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 08:44:17 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Cowie and GB
In-Reply-To: <1535051451475-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <958d5de5-906b-7b74-9c07-ef7e6f98fcb2@rhodes22.com>
 <BN6PR18MB15530B5DB72794808E6BCE90D1310@BN6PR18MB1553.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
 <DM5PR18MB1212C8F4552C96EB2673914DD9310@DM5PR18MB1212.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
 <a799ced7-db13-f82f-8f64-9ef54db32e3b@rhodes22.com>
 <1535051451475-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <a9ddf75c-3bf3-cd0d-67eb-8fff037bc324@rhodes22.com>

Mark,

Thanks for your scholarly input.? I expect no less from you.? The 
semantics that pops out first in my read is the word "Return" from ROI 
(return on investment).? I know most of my growing up together friends, 
no longer with us, took the narrow read as "dollars".? Of course ones 
meaning for "return" is, rightly so, a personal one.? I started out, for 
some unclear reasons, choosing the one that meant a long, physically and 
mentally healthy, happy life.? One of my confirmations came at a class 
reunion.? A lady I had trouble placing, tugged at my sweater, "You are 
the only husband here doing what you want to do".

stan, with a fuller response to your mail, still to come, if you really 
want.


On 8/23/18 3:10 PM, Mrbabs wrote:
> For Rhodies new and old, the continuation of General Boats is a positive
> proposition.  Who wants to own an orphan boat, even if beautiful?
>
> How the continuation occurs is solely in the hands of the well known and
> very respected helmsman himself.  The term "partnering" can mean different
> things to different people. Investments or partnerships can be made with
> time, talent or treasure. Interested parties rightly want to know what their
> ROI would be.
>
> Those wishing to partner must set forth their vision of what a partnership
> needs to look like to entice interest.
>
> But if one assumes the value of the business and real estate is $2,000,000,
> simple math says General Boats would have to generate a profit of $14,000
> per month to amortize a 20 year note. You would need to sell X number of new
> and recycled Rhodes to pay the operating expenses plus generate the required
> profit?
>
> Maybe the real estate has a higher value than what a boat manufacturer can
> support?  I don't know the answers to any of these questions, but now that
> we have embarked on a public discussion, maybe a basic framework can be
> established starting with Stan's wish list.
>
> Speaking for myself, I would like to be able to access and order parts
> online!
>
> We seem to be caught in the doldrums on this issue and although it's my hope
> Stan lives another 92 years, the time and tide wait for no man.
>
> Humble and respectful,
> I remain
>
> Marc B.
> s/v Baby Steps  2007/2013
> Westminster, MA
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----
> Marc B.
> s/v Baby Steps
> Westminster MA
> Sailing Narragansett Bay
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
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From talbotdavid50 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 24 17:32:39 2018
From: talbotdavid50 at gmail.com (David Talbot)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 17:32:39 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
Message-ID: <CAJK53dKjecMP2yh38zebGvLYgj5KfSWRYcTovC1JsmO=3QGo4g@mail.gmail.com>

Any suggestions out there for a 2-person lowering?

From jjcampjr at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 24 18:38:48 2018
From: jjcampjr at yahoo.com (Joe Camp)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 22:38:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Cowie and GB
In-Reply-To: <a9ddf75c-3bf3-cd0d-67eb-8fff037bc324@rhodes22.com>
References: <958d5de5-906b-7b74-9c07-ef7e6f98fcb2@rhodes22.com>
 <BN6PR18MB15530B5DB72794808E6BCE90D1310@BN6PR18MB1553.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
 <DM5PR18MB1212C8F4552C96EB2673914DD9310@DM5PR18MB1212.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
 <a799ced7-db13-f82f-8f64-9ef54db32e3b@rhodes22.com>
 <1535051451475-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <a9ddf75c-3bf3-cd0d-67eb-8fff037bc324@rhodes22.com>
Message-ID: <2103667107.3502815.1535150328646@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Friend;
???? And I am not starting this way to tickle your poo-gullet (or whatever the current hyperbole for ass kissing is) and I won't run this on and on (as I am wont to... most of the time, as writers and English professors do).? I only want to comment on your enviable cache of pure wisdom displayed on the list and acquired over the years of rebuffing long lines of grommet bandits (as my long departed cop buddy and USN veteran who served on a? a sea-going tug in the North Atlantic during WW Deuce used to quip when referring to insults to a sailor's scuppers out-flow ). There was? no time then for eloquent semantics (I really love that word, say it out loud, "semantics";? It belongs in a poem) when riding fifty foot swells while steaming west from the Canary Islands chained to a torpedoed troop carrier headed to New Jersey.? Crap! looks as if I did get carried away again.?? No matter.

???? Ergo, allow me to close with this gem of a statement: As it turns out, you, yes you Stan are my personal ROI associated with belonging to this boat family. That's it, Pappy.


Joe Camp
sv John Dawson
Presumed floating on the Bohemia River, Earleville, MD.


   On Friday, August 24, 2018, 8:44:22 AM EDT, Stan Spitzer <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:  
 
 Mark,

Thanks for your scholarly input.? I expect no less from you.? The 
semantics that pops out first in my read is the word "Return" from ROI 
(return on investment).? I know most of my growing up together friends, 
no longer with us, took the narrow read as "dollars".? Of course ones 
meaning for "return" is, rightly so, a personal one.? I started out, for 
some unclear reasons, choosing the one that meant a long, physically and 
mentally healthy, happy life.? One of my confirmations came at a class 
reunion.? A lady I had trouble placing, tugged at my sweater, "You are 
the only husband here doing what you want to do".

stan, with a fuller response to your mail, still to come, if you really 
want.


On 8/23/18 3:10 PM, Mrbabs wrote:
> For Rhodies new and old, the continuation of General Boats is a positive
> proposition.? Who wants to own an orphan boat, even if beautiful?
>
> How the continuation occurs is solely in the hands of the well known and
> very respected helmsman himself.? The term "partnering" can mean different
> things to different people. Investments or partnerships can be made with
> time, talent or treasure. Interested parties rightly want to know what their
> ROI would be.
>
> Those wishing to partner must set forth their vision of what a partnership
> needs to look like to entice interest.
>
> But if one assumes the value of the business and real estate is $2,000,000,
> simple math says General Boats would have to generate a profit of $14,000
> per month to amortize a 20 year note. You would need to sell X number of new
> and recycled Rhodes to pay the operating expenses plus generate the required
> profit?
>
> Maybe the real estate has a higher value than what a boat manufacturer can
> support?? I don't know the answers to any of these questions, but now that
> we have embarked on a public discussion, maybe a basic framework can be
> established starting with Stan's wish list.
>
> Speaking for myself, I would like to be able to access and order parts
> online!
>
> We seem to be caught in the doldrums on this issue and although it's my hope
> Stan lives another 92 years, the time and tide wait for no man.
>
> Humble and respectful,
> I remain
>
> Marc B.
> s/v Baby Steps? 2007/2013
> Westminster, MA
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----
> Marc B.
> s/v Baby Steps
> Westminster MA
> Sailing Narragansett Bay
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
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From rbeytagh at gmail.com  Fri Aug 24 21:17:46 2018
From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (Richard Beytagh)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 21:17:46 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
In-Reply-To: <CAJK53dKjecMP2yh38zebGvLYgj5KfSWRYcTovC1JsmO=3QGo4g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJK53dKjecMP2yh38zebGvLYgj5KfSWRYcTovC1JsmO=3QGo4g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALbDJ9bs+=XonzYrJhjBCtSGFB70g6SvsDPb=xS5yNU1_Zj4Vg@mail.gmail.com>

Main question, do you have any of the mast lowering/raising paranafalia?


~~~ _/) ~~~

Richard Beytagh
Phone: 828 337 0180


On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 5:32 PM David Talbot <talbotdavid50 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Any suggestions out there for a 2-person lowering?
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From ruckc at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 24 21:54:05 2018
From: ruckc at yahoo.com (Curtis Ruck)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 21:54:05 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
In-Reply-To: <CALbDJ9bs+=XonzYrJhjBCtSGFB70g6SvsDPb=xS5yNU1_Zj4Vg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJK53dKjecMP2yh38zebGvLYgj5KfSWRYcTovC1JsmO=3QGo4g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALbDJ9bs+=XonzYrJhjBCtSGFB70g6SvsDPb=xS5yNU1_Zj4Vg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFgGLFdw65G=dErGEKAYRu7rLk5iMw3VLj7_BMbGpX=usUjViw@mail.gmail.com>

I don't have the General Boats nice/new mast raising lowering kit, but i
have what appears to be a DIY raising lowering kit that works very well for
single hand lift in low wind.  in higher wind i just get a bystander at the
marina to hold one of the shrouds against the wind for balance.

The 2x4 on the mast end, is concave, to grip the mast, with a cheap ratchet
strap to hold it against the mast.  On the other end, it has two loop
brackets.  On the top side, i just attach the main sheet, and have the
other end secured.  On the bottom side, it has a line going from a cheap
dinghy trailer winch through a block/pulley going to the fore stay
attachment point.

I attach the rear shrouds before raising so once its up, i can pull against
them and the backstays to keep it from falling to one side or the other.
then I quickly attach the rest of the shrouds, then the forestay/furler.

It is a very very simple system.  I've raised lowered in 10 knots of wind
without significant issue.  I've heard. the GB system can raise/lower in an
hour.  I can have this boat ready to sail in 2 hours.  I'm not sure what
optimizations Stan made in his system to have a sub 1 hour time... maybe
the in-mast furling?  Maybe quick adjusting stay/shroud rigging screws?  It
takes me 45 minutes just to get all of the shrouds/stays adjusted right.  I
do not believe my 1979 Rhodes sails good with loose rigging.  I've
typically adjust them to 200 lbs.

--
Curtis


On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 9:17 PM Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com> wrote:

> Main question, do you have any of the mast lowering/raising paranafalia?
>
>
> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>
> Richard Beytagh
> Phone: 828 337 0180
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 5:32 PM David Talbot <talbotdavid50 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Any suggestions out there for a 2-person lowering?
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Fri Aug 24 22:39:24 2018
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (mweisner at ebsmed.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 22:39:24 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
In-Reply-To: <CAJK53dKjecMP2yh38zebGvLYgj5KfSWRYcTovC1JsmO=3QGo4g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJK53dKjecMP2yh38zebGvLYgj5KfSWRYcTovC1JsmO=3QGo4g@mail.gmail.com>
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David,

Two persons can easily raise or lower the original non-IMF from the bow.
There is no need for a mast crane.  It is really not that heavy and the
second person is there for safety and when you need to change your grip at
about 30 degrees from the horizontal.  The mast and genoa combo are easily
supported by the bow pulpit.

If you have the IMF mast, the weight is considerably greater.  The IMF rig
is best raised or lowered from a mast crutch located in the stern.  The
crutch helps to start raising or finish lowering at a point that is well
above the horizontal (about 30 degrees).  The crutch reduces the effort
required by the mast crane to start raising or finish lowering the mast
assembly.  If the mast was perfectly horizontal it would be nearly
impossible to use the crane.  Using a crane system requires a single
individual, although a second is recommended for safety and in case lines or
shrouds get caught during the process.

I have raised and lowered the IMF rig without the benefit of a crane system
with four strong guys and two six packs of beer.  Unfortunately, even
increasing the beer ratio would not enable two persons to safely lower an
IMF rig without a crane.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

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Any suggestions out there for a 2-person lowering?
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From talbotdavid50 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 24 22:49:21 2018
From: talbotdavid50 at gmail.com (David Talbot)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 22:49:21 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
In-Reply-To: <000401d43c1c$d6eaa600$84bff200$@ebsmed.com>
References: <CAJK53dKjecMP2yh38zebGvLYgj5KfSWRYcTovC1JsmO=3QGo4g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAJK53dKtzLmrP9WfjEW09KNEAfWoWWW3B9Gq=-MMjS8YZyEAdg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks very helpful all
Appreciate the time and feedback

On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 10:39 PM, <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:

> David,
>
> Two persons can easily raise or lower the original non-IMF from the bow.
> There is no need for a mast crane.  It is really not that heavy and the
> second person is there for safety and when you need to change your grip at
> about 30 degrees from the horizontal.  The mast and genoa combo are easily
> supported by the bow pulpit.
>
> If you have the IMF mast, the weight is considerably greater.  The IMF rig
> is best raised or lowered from a mast crutch located in the stern.  The
> crutch helps to start raising or finish lowering at a point that is well
> above the horizontal (about 30 degrees).  The crutch reduces the effort
> required by the mast crane to start raising or finish lowering the mast
> assembly.  If the mast was perfectly horizontal it would be nearly
> impossible to use the crane.  Using a crane system requires a single
> individual, although a second is recommended for safety and in case lines
> or
> shrouds get caught during the process.
>
> I have raised and lowered the IMF rig without the benefit of a crane system
> with four strong guys and two six packs of beer.  Unfortunately, even
> increasing the beer ratio would not enable two persons to safely lower an
> IMF rig without a crane.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> David
> Talbot
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 5:33 PM
> To: Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
>
> Any suggestions out there for a 2-person lowering?
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From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Sat Aug 25 08:29:51 2018
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 05:29:51 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gallons per hour
Message-ID: <1535200191509-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

A standard formula for an outboard is hp divided by ten or 8 hp divided by
equals .8 gallons per hour at 3/4 speed 5 kts.  Does this seem about right? 
That would give a five gallon tank about 25 km plus.



-----
Christopher P. Cowie      

4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
Suite 300
Washington, DC 20007
202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile
[ccowie at cowieassociates.com]

 

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From blue66corvette at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 25 09:24:49 2018
From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 13:24:49 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gallons per hour
In-Reply-To: <1535200191509-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1535200191509-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <DM5PR18MB121258774458CDFD14BC335AD9350@DM5PR18MB1212.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>

Chris
This sentence makes no sense and how did you change to km at the end ?????

Sent from my iPhone

Charles 

> On Aug 25, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com> wrote:
> 
> A standard formula for an outboard is hp divided by ten or 8 hp divided by
> equals .8 gallons per hour at 3/4 speed 5 kts.  Does this seem about right? 
> That would give a five gallon tank about 25 km plus.
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> Christopher P. Cowie      
> 
> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> Suite 300
> Washington, DC 20007
> 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile
> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
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From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Sat Aug 25 09:47:32 2018
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 13:47:32 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gallons per hour
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Trying to type on a phone.  My basic question, does hp divided by ten provide and accurate estimate of gallons per hour.


Please note our new office address and phone number

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On Aug 25, 2018, at 9:24 AM, Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com<mailto:blue66corvette at hotmail.com>> wrote:

Chris
This sentence makes no sense and how did you change to km at the end ?????

Sent from my iPhone

Charles

On Aug 25, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>> wrote:

A standard formula for an outboard is hp divided by ten or 8 hp divided by
equals .8 gallons per hour at 3/4 speed 5 kts.  Does this seem about right?
That would give a five gallon tank about 25 km plus.



-----
Christopher P. Cowie

4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
Suite 300
Washington, DC 20007
202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile
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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Sat Aug 25 11:44:33 2018
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 11:44:33 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gallons per hour
In-Reply-To: <E161A1CC-87F6-47CA-990B-39B32A6B3C27@cowieassociates.com>
References: <1535200191509-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Hi Chris,

I don't think so, especially with 4 stroke engines where the variables are
like that of car mileage.

However, older 2 strokes are very predictable because they burn fuel at a
constant rate.  My older 9hp burns a gallon each hour whether idling or
pushing through 5 ft waves.

Regards,

Rick


On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 9:47 AM Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
wrote:

> Trying to type on a phone.  My basic question, does hp divided by ten
> provide and accurate estimate of gallons per hour.
>
>
> Please note our new office address and phone number
>
> Christopher P. Cowie  [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
>  [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
>
> 700 N Fairfax Street<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> Suite 304<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> Alexandria, Virginia 22314<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> 703.717.9103<tel:703.717.9103> ex.204 ? 202.270.1470<tel:202.270.1470>
> mobile
> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
>
> [cid:image001.jpg at 01D24014.7A2D04E0]
> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
>
>
> On Aug 25, 2018, at 9:24 AM, Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com
> <mailto:blue66corvette at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Chris
> This sentence makes no sense and how did you change to km at the end ?????
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Charles
>
> On Aug 25, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com
> <mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>> wrote:
>
> A standard formula for an outboard is hp divided by ten or 8 hp divided by
> equals .8 gallons per hour at 3/4 speed 5 kts.  Does this seem about right?
> That would give a five gallon tank about 25 km plus.
>
>
>
> -----
> Christopher P. Cowie
>
> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> Suite 300
> Washington, DC 20007
> 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile
> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
>
>
>
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From snstaum at gmail.com  Sat Aug 25 12:11:06 2018
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 12:11:06 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gallons per hour
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Rick,

I don?t understand. My 4 HP 2 stroke had a quart tank on the outboard. It
would run 2 hours @ 4.5 knots & 1 hour @ 5.5 knots. Since consumption has a
direct relationship to power output in any engine I don?t get how your 2
stroke consumes the same at all power settings. When flying I owned
aircraft with 108, 150 & 180 HP. They consumed 6, 8 & 10 gallons per hour
respectively  @ 70% cruise power.  Sorry Chris, I don?t know the formula
for computing consumption vs HP but the you can probably come up with one
from the above #?s.

Stephen Staum
s/v Carol Lee 2
Needham, MA

On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 11:45 AM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Chris,
>
> I don't think so, especially with 4 stroke engines where the variables are
> like that of car mileage.
>
> However, older 2 strokes are very predictable because they burn fuel at a
> constant rate.  My older 9hp burns a gallon each hour whether idling or
> pushing through 5 ft waves.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rick
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 9:47 AM Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Trying to type on a phone.  My basic question, does hp divided by ten
> > provide and accurate estimate of gallons per hour.
> >
> >
> > Please note our new office address and phone number
> >
> > Christopher P. Cowie  [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
> >  [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
> >
> > 700 N Fairfax Street<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> > Suite 304
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=BD581F0%5D%0A%3E%0A%3E+700+N+Fairfax+Street+%0A%3E+Suite+304+%0A%3E+Alexandria,+Virginia+22314&entry=gmail&source=g>
> <x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> > Alexandria, Virginia 22314
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=BD581F0%5D%0A%3E%0A%3E+700+N+Fairfax+Street+%0A%3E+Suite+304+%0A%3E+Alexandria,+Virginia+22314&entry=gmail&source=g>
> <x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> > 703.717.9103<tel:703.717.9103> ex.204 ? 202.270.1470<tel:202.270.1470>
> > mobile
> > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
> >
> > [cid:image001.jpg at 01D24014.7A2D04E0]
> > Please consider the environment before printing this email.
> >
> >
> > On Aug 25, 2018, at 9:24 AM, Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com
> > <mailto:blue66corvette at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Chris
> > This sentence makes no sense and how did you change to km at the end
> ?????
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > Charles
> >
> > On Aug 25, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com
> > <mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>> wrote:
> >
> > A standard formula for an outboard is hp divided by ten or 8 hp divided
> by
> > equals .8 gallons per hour at 3/4 speed 5 kts.  Does this seem about
> right?
> > That would give a five gallon tank about 25 km plus.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----
> > Christopher P. Cowie
> >
> > 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> > Suite 300
> > Washington, DC 20007
> > 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile
> > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
> >
> >
> >
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From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 25 14:28:13 2018
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 11:28:13 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gallons per hour
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I don?t know a formula.    I have a couple data points to muddy the water
(incorporate into your model).

My tohatsu sailmaster 6 has taken the Rhodes 25 n m at 4.5 knots uisng less
then a gallon in 1-2 foot confused chop.    There was no wind, or I wouldn?t
know this.  It was right after a carbourator rebuild.

On a 500 pound Chrysler dinghy my Evenrude 2 cylinder 4 hp 2 stroke can tow
another boat a mile at near hull speed but will only make it half a mile
back before emptying its 1.5 qt internal tank.    Again, I wouldn?t have
learned this if there was wind.   On the other hand it has suffered two
mechanical failures in 30 years, otherwise starting on the second pull every
time no matter the temperature, so I guess It?s efficiency may be hindered
by the fact it actually runs.   

Math by dummies.   

Alex



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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Sat Aug 25 14:53:14 2018
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 14:53:14 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gallons per hour
In-Reply-To: <CAOo_Fjdcwn8aKkfNrDELVRdX-JxG-ioGkWQgdyAJMv9nwPdRdQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Stephen,

You're mixing apples with oranges, pears, etc.

An old 2 stroke 9.9hp is way oversized for most conditions of the R22, yet
when you need the muscle it is there.  So it will maintain a minimum fuel
flow for lubrication and never reach full RPM.

Very dirty but completely reliable throughout 20 years.

Regards,

Rick


On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 12:11 PM Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:

> Rick,
>
> I don?t understand. My 4 HP 2 stroke had a quart tank on the outboard. It
> would run 2 hours @ 4.5 knots & 1 hour @ 5.5 knots. Since consumption has a
> direct relationship to power output in any engine I don?t get how your 2
> stroke consumes the same at all power settings. When flying I owned
> aircraft with 108, 150 & 180 HP. They consumed 6, 8 & 10 gallons per hour
> respectively  @ 70% cruise power.  Sorry Chris, I don?t know the formula
> for computing consumption vs HP but the you can probably come up with one
> from the above #?s.
>
> Stephen Staum
> s/v Carol Lee 2
> Needham, MA
>

From sundsvalla at earthlink.net  Sat Aug 25 15:20:40 2018
From: sundsvalla at earthlink.net (Tex Hill)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 14:20:40 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22
Message-ID: <B3ED8FC8-AB87-447D-BD4A-E3359FE6F55B@earthlink.net>

I need a photo or diagram of the main cabin sole for Rhodes 22.
I had the sole replaced and it was replaced without the inspection hole for the bilge. Now I need to know where to cut a hole to get to the bilge and center board cap.......
Thanks,
Tex Hill
Pensacola, FL
850-453-1729 home
850-287-4009 cell
850-324-9188 cell

In God We Trust......Have a Blessed Day!

From watermusic38 at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 25 17:31:44 2018
From: watermusic38 at yahoo.com (elle)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 21:31:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Helping Other Rhodies
In-Reply-To: <CAPQvPRr4rHyQQX471krWMZS=843ZEPzXU26D0-VHrjR1vXJGqg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPQvPRr4rHyQQX471krWMZS=843ZEPzXU26D0-VHrjR1vXJGqg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1278720379.3082923.1535232704399@mail.yahoo.com>

Anyone out there who really WANTS an R-22? Have a great one for sale...I'm getting old but she is in the prime of her life.
elle 

    On Monday, August 20, 2018 12:42 PM, Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:
 

 I really love the way the "List Members" are always stepping up to assist
other owners with their problems or just question. I feel I could not sell
my Rhodes 22 to someone that JUST wants a sailboat. They would need to WANT
a Rhodes 22.

Cary
s/v Whisper
Radford, VA
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From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 25 22:30:39 2018
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 19:30:39 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <B3ED8FC8-AB87-447D-BD4A-E3359FE6F55B@earthlink.net>
References: <B3ED8FC8-AB87-447D-BD4A-E3359FE6F55B@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1535250639483-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

This may not help much, it shows the sole partially removed from a v berth
perspective.    The bilge hatch sits between the stingers just in front of
the centerboard cap and goes up to the battery compartment and head area.  
I can measure it tomorrow, thunderstorms allowing.    
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t691/EEF19D0D-AA13-40AE-B1EE-429FECD7B187.jpeg> 



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From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 25 22:32:22 2018
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 19:32:22 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <1535250639483-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <B3ED8FC8-AB87-447D-BD4A-E3359FE6F55B@earthlink.net>
 <1535250639483-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t691/8A46E935-4E86-4DB7-A4D2-DAF76A4713EC.jpeg> 

Apologies, linked the wrong image.

Alex



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From marcelsophia at aol.com  Sun Aug 26 10:31:26 2018
From: marcelsophia at aol.com (marcelsophia)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 07:31:26 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Helping Other Rhodies
In-Reply-To: <CAPQvPRr4rHyQQX471krWMZS=843ZEPzXU26D0-VHrjR1vXJGqg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPQvPRr4rHyQQX471krWMZS=843ZEPzXU26D0-VHrjR1vXJGqg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi. I am new to sailing and am very interested in buying a Rhodes 22. My
husband and I have been looking for a while and have not found very many for
sale. Where is the boat located?  Do you have any photos?  What year is it? 
The Rhodes 22 seems like the perfect boat and i am very interested. Thanks
so much. Sophia



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From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Sun Aug 26 10:50:16 2018
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 14:50:16 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Helping Other Rhodies
In-Reply-To: <1535293886731-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <CAPQvPRr4rHyQQX471krWMZS=843ZEPzXU26D0-VHrjR1vXJGqg@mail.gmail.com>,
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Message-ID: <308F0100-9C0B-4546-91EA-9A27962A365C@cowieassociates.com>

Sophia
The Rhodes list is a very supportive group and many owners are willing to take you out for a sail.  Where are you located?  I have a boat at the Washington sailing marina in Alexandria Virginia and can show you my boat if you are In The area.  Send me an email.


Please note our new office address and phone number

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Suite 304<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
Alexandria, Virginia 22314<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
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On Aug 26, 2018, at 10:31 AM, marcelsophia via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> wrote:

Hi. I am new to sailing and am very interested in buying a Rhodes 22. My
husband and I have been looking for a while and have not found very many for
sale. Where is the boat located?  Do you have any photos?  What year is it?
The Rhodes 22 seems like the perfect boat and i am very interested. Thanks
so much. Sophia



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From stan at rhodes22.com  Sun Aug 26 10:51:18 2018
From: stan at rhodes22.com (Stan Spitzer)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:51:18 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Helping Other Rhodies
In-Reply-To: <1535293886731-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <CAPQvPRr4rHyQQX471krWMZS=843ZEPzXU26D0-VHrjR1vXJGqg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Sophia,

While General Boats in NC is the best place for you to see the most used 
Rhodes available in a single location, I think in your case you should 
buy one through a private party sale.? Our strong suggestion is that 
when you do, you should go with the Certificate of Support program.

 ??? ? http://www.usedrhodes.com/certificate.html

stan





On 8/26/18 10:31 AM, marcelsophia via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> Hi. I am new to sailing and am very interested in buying a Rhodes 22. My
> husband and I have been looking for a while and have not found very many for
> sale. Where is the boat located?  Do you have any photos?  What year is it?
> The Rhodes 22 seems like the perfect boat and i am very interested. Thanks
> so much. Sophia
>
>
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From scranevmd at verizon.net  Sun Aug 26 10:59:33 2018
From: scranevmd at verizon.net (scranevmd at verizon.net)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:59:33 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Helping Other Rhodies
In-Reply-To: <1535293886731-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <CAPQvPRr4rHyQQX471krWMZS=843ZEPzXU26D0-VHrjR1vXJGqg@mail.gmail.com>
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Where are you located?  I have a boat on the Chesapeake Bay that I am
selling.  You can reach me at 610-637-9660.  I do have someone interested
but that is not final at this time.

Susan Crane
s/v Whimsy
Bohemia River
Chesapeake Bay

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From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
marcelsophia via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 10:31 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Helping Other Rhodies

Hi. I am new to sailing and am very interested in buying a Rhodes 22. My
husband and I have been looking for a while and have not found very many for
sale. Where is the boat located?  Do you have any photos?  What year is it? 
The Rhodes 22 seems like the perfect boat and i am very interested. Thanks
so much. Sophia



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From charles.gabriel at gmail.com  Sun Aug 26 12:16:53 2018
From: charles.gabriel at gmail.com (Charles Gabriel)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:16:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <B3ED8FC8-AB87-447D-BD4A-E3359FE6F55B@earthlink.net>
References: <B3ED8FC8-AB87-447D-BD4A-E3359FE6F55B@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CABCtkXVs6-wgiwpP8hq2me-ZbTTN-z9+5rXg_XvOMgKNd5z3uw@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe this will help. Vintage c1992.

[image: 20180826_112459.jpg]

On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 3:20 PM Tex Hill <sundsvalla at earthlink.net> wrote:

> I need a photo or diagram of the main cabin sole for Rhodes 22.
> I had the sole replaced and it was replaced without the inspection hole
> for the bilge. Now I need to know where to cut a hole to get to the bilge
> and center board cap.......
> Thanks,
> Tex Hill
> Pensacola, FL
> 850-453-1729 home
> 850-287-4009 cell
> 850-324-9188 cell
>
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From sundsvalla at earthlink.net  Sun Aug 26 20:52:31 2018
From: sundsvalla at earthlink.net (Tex Hill)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 19:52:31 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22
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Thanks Alex'
What year is Lark?
Your bilge opening looks narrower than what I remember ours is . I assume the picture is looking aft? If so than your boat is different than ours because I don't see the step/bench we have. I don't recall the stringers being that close together. I am afraid to cut the new sole and hit the stringer.
I received a picture from Charles, another Rhodes owner that looks just like ours with the sole in place and asked him to send a picture with the sole inspection hatch removed. Anxious to see where the stringers are before I cut.
Actually have someone else cut since some RVN and old age injuries make it interesting for me to get down on my knees.
Again, thank you for your reply.
Tex Hill
In God We Trust......Have a Blessed Day!

> On Aug 25, 2018, at 21:30, S/V Lark <Colealexander at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> This may not help much, it shows the sole partially removed from a v berth
> perspective.    The bilge hatch sits between the stingers just in front of
> the centerboard cap and goes up to the battery compartment and head area.  
> I can measure it tomorrow, thunderstorms allowing.    
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t691/EEF19D0D-AA13-40AE-B1EE-429FECD7B187.jpeg> 
> 
> 
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From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 26 21:44:40 2018
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 18:44:40 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <02EDD041-85E7-4EE1-B69E-469126BE3BB3@earthlink.net>
References: <B3ED8FC8-AB87-447D-BD4A-E3359FE6F55B@earthlink.net>
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Message-ID: <1535334280644-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t691/581DCB3E-D09C-4082-BC09-498DF4209D2B.jpeg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t691/555CC485-C08F-41EE-BA5E-5B958CF4CF72.jpeg> 

Lark is a 2002 boat.   The stringers are fiberglass.   I pulled the step out
because birds had plugged my centerboard pennant tube with grass from a
failed nest that turned into black goo.    The seats were draining into the
cabin step and filling my bilge.   A plumbers snake would go right through
the slime but not remove it.   Raising and lowering the centerboard didn?t
help either.   I needed access to pull the tube and clean it out.    I think
it was leaking around the hose clamp.  

I also pulled part of the sole out, the port side went under the settee and
the starboard under the galley,   The center could be removed independently
to access the centerboard.    This is the advantage of a builder that refits
his boats.    Thanks Stan.

 I didn?t remember a tape measure like Charles, but used a key as reference
for size.   





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S/V Lark
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From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Mon Aug 27 06:15:07 2018
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 10:15:07 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <02EDD041-85E7-4EE1-B69E-469126BE3BB3@earthlink.net>
References: <B3ED8FC8-AB87-447D-BD4A-E3359FE6F55B@earthlink.net>
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Message-ID: <B914F5A2-615E-4FD8-AF6C-02CF86C5930D@cowieassociates.com>

I replaced my sole with teak and holy and made a pattern of pieces that can be removed withe screws and an inspection hatch.[image1.jpeg][image2.jpeg][image3.jpeg][image4.jpeg]


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On Aug 26, 2018, at 8:52 PM, Tex Hill <sundsvalla at earthlink.net<mailto:sundsvalla at earthlink.net>> wrote:

Thanks Alex'
What year is Lark?
Your bilge opening looks narrower than what I remember ours is . I assume the picture is looking aft? If so than your boat is different than ours because I don't see the step/bench we have. I don't recall the stringers being that close together. I am afraid to cut the new sole and hit the stringer.
I received a picture from Charles, another Rhodes owner that looks just like ours with the sole in place and asked him to send a picture with the sole inspection hatch removed. Anxious to see where the stringers are before I cut.
Actually have someone else cut since some RVN and old age injuries make it interesting for me to get down on my knees.
Again, thank you for your reply.
Tex Hill
In God We Trust......Have a Blessed Day!

On Aug 25, 2018, at 21:30, S/V Lark <Colealexander at hotmail.com<mailto:Colealexander at hotmail.com>> wrote:

This may not help much, it shows the sole partially removed from a v berth
perspective.    The bilge hatch sits between the stingers just in front of
the centerboard cap and goes up to the battery compartment and head area.
I can measure it tomorrow, thunderstorms allowing.
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t691/EEF19D0D-AA13-40AE-B1EE-429FECD7B187.jpeg>



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From rlowe at vt.edu  Mon Aug 27 11:07:29 2018
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 15:07:29 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
In-Reply-To: <CAJK53dKtzLmrP9WfjEW09KNEAfWoWWW3B9Gq=-MMjS8YZyEAdg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJK53dKjecMP2yh38zebGvLYgj5KfSWRYcTovC1JsmO=3QGo4g@mail.gmail.com>
 <000401d43c1c$d6eaa600$84bff200$@ebsmed.com>
 <CAJK53dKtzLmrP9WfjEW09KNEAfWoWWW3B9Gq=-MMjS8YZyEAdg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR05MB3927DC6AE0254DCF9C0AD769C10B0@BYAPR05MB3927.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

David,
Do you have the standard main or IMF?  It does make a difference.  As noted, the standard main can be lowered by hand if need be.  I've used the boat trailer wince attached to a halyard as an assist.  The IMF most certainly requires a mast crane assist.  Have any photos or you set up?  Photos always help. - rob


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of David Talbot
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 10:49 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast

Thanks very helpful all
Appreciate the time and feedback

On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 10:39 PM, <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:

> David,
>
> Two persons can easily raise or lower the original non-IMF from the bow.
> There is no need for a mast crane.  It is really not that heavy and 
> the second person is there for safety and when you need to change your 
> grip at about 30 degrees from the horizontal.  The mast and genoa 
> combo are easily supported by the bow pulpit.
>
> If you have the IMF mast, the weight is considerably greater.  The IMF 
> rig is best raised or lowered from a mast crutch located in the stern.  
> The crutch helps to start raising or finish lowering at a point that 
> is well above the horizontal (about 30 degrees).  The crutch reduces 
> the effort required by the mast crane to start raising or finish 
> lowering the mast assembly.  If the mast was perfectly horizontal it 
> would be nearly impossible to use the crane.  Using a crane system 
> requires a single individual, although a second is recommended for 
> safety and in case lines or shrouds get caught during the process.
>
> I have raised and lowered the IMF rig without the benefit of a crane 
> system with four strong guys and two six packs of beer.  
> Unfortunately, even increasing the beer ratio would not enable two 
> persons to safely lower an IMF rig without a crane.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
> David Talbot
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 5:33 PM
> To: Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
>
> Any suggestions out there for a 2-person lowering?
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From hnw555 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 27 11:22:49 2018
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 11:22:49 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
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References: <CAJK53dKjecMP2yh38zebGvLYgj5KfSWRYcTovC1JsmO=3QGo4g@mail.gmail.com>
 <000401d43c1c$d6eaa600$84bff200$@ebsmed.com>
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If you look here (http://rhodes22.org/doclib/index.html) you will find the
rhodes 22 owner's manual with instructions on how to raise or lower an IMF
mast without Stan's mast hoist setup.

Hank

On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 11:07 AM Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:

> David,
> Do you have the standard main or IMF?  It does make a difference.  As
> noted, the standard main can be lowered by hand if need be.  I've used the
> boat trailer wince attached to a halyard as an assist.  The IMF most
> certainly requires a mast crane assist.  Have any photos or you set up?
> Photos always help. - rob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> David Talbot
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 10:49 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
>
> Thanks very helpful all
> Appreciate the time and feedback
>
> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 10:39 PM, <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>
> > David,
> >
> > Two persons can easily raise or lower the original non-IMF from the bow.
> > There is no need for a mast crane.  It is really not that heavy and
> > the second person is there for safety and when you need to change your
> > grip at about 30 degrees from the horizontal.  The mast and genoa
> > combo are easily supported by the bow pulpit.
> >
> > If you have the IMF mast, the weight is considerably greater.  The IMF
> > rig is best raised or lowered from a mast crutch located in the stern.
> > The crutch helps to start raising or finish lowering at a point that
> > is well above the horizontal (about 30 degrees).  The crutch reduces
> > the effort required by the mast crane to start raising or finish
> > lowering the mast assembly.  If the mast was perfectly horizontal it
> > would be nearly impossible to use the crane.  Using a crane system
> > requires a single individual, although a second is recommended for
> > safety and in case lines or shrouds get caught during the process.
> >
> > I have raised and lowered the IMF rig without the benefit of a crane
> > system with four strong guys and two six packs of beer.
> > Unfortunately, even increasing the beer ratio would not enable two
> > persons to safely lower an IMF rig without a crane.
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > David Talbot
> > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 5:33 PM
> > To: Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
> >
> > Any suggestions out there for a 2-person lowering?
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Mon Aug 27 11:23:06 2018
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 15:23:06 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <02EDD041-85E7-4EE1-B69E-469126BE3BB3@earthlink.net>
References: <B3ED8FC8-AB87-447D-BD4A-E3359FE6F55B@earthlink.net>
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Tex,

Attached is a diagram posted by Rummy years ago on the stringer layout.  You boat may or may not agree, depending on what modifications have been made. - rob

http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20110413/00e3ff27/attachment.jpe


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Tex Hill
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 8:53 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22

Thanks Alex'
What year is Lark?
Your bilge opening looks narrower than what I remember ours is . I assume the picture is looking aft? If so than your boat is different than ours because I don't see the step/bench we have. I don't recall the stringers being that close together. I am afraid to cut the new sole and hit the stringer.
I received a picture from Charles, another Rhodes owner that looks just like ours with the sole in place and asked him to send a picture with the sole inspection hatch removed. Anxious to see where the stringers are before I cut.
Actually have someone else cut since some RVN and old age injuries make it interesting for me to get down on my knees.
Again, thank you for your reply.
Tex Hill
In God We Trust......Have a Blessed Day!

> On Aug 25, 2018, at 21:30, S/V Lark <Colealexander at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> This may not help much, it shows the sole partially removed from a v berth
> perspective.    The bilge hatch sits between the stingers just in front of
> the centerboard cap and goes up to the battery compartment and head area.  
> I can measure it tomorrow, thunderstorms allowing.    
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t691/EEF19D0D-AA13-40AE-B
> 1EE-429FECD7B187.jpeg>
> 
> 
> 
> -----
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> S/V Lark
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From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Mon Aug 27 11:33:42 2018
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 15:33:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22
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was at GB plant pulling floor out Friday this weekend? get pic for you and measurements if needed?Mark West s/v Fairwind II.0?

From talbotdavid50 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 27 12:08:14 2018
From: talbotdavid50 at gmail.com (David Talbot)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 12:08:14 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
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Have an imf
I am going to use a 2x4 gin pole to lower with 2 helpers


On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 11:23 AM, Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:

> If you look here (http://rhodes22.org/doclib/index.html) you will find the
> rhodes 22 owner's manual with instructions on how to raise or lower an IMF
> mast without Stan's mast hoist setup.
>
> Hank
>
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 11:07 AM Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>
> > David,
> > Do you have the standard main or IMF?  It does make a difference.  As
> > noted, the standard main can be lowered by hand if need be.  I've used
> the
> > boat trailer wince attached to a halyard as an assist.  The IMF most
> > certainly requires a mast crane assist.  Have any photos or you set up?
> > Photos always help. - rob
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > David Talbot
> > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 10:49 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
> >
> > Thanks very helpful all
> > Appreciate the time and feedback
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 10:39 PM, <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> >
> > > David,
> > >
> > > Two persons can easily raise or lower the original non-IMF from the
> bow.
> > > There is no need for a mast crane.  It is really not that heavy and
> > > the second person is there for safety and when you need to change your
> > > grip at about 30 degrees from the horizontal.  The mast and genoa
> > > combo are easily supported by the bow pulpit.
> > >
> > > If you have the IMF mast, the weight is considerably greater.  The IMF
> > > rig is best raised or lowered from a mast crutch located in the stern.
> > > The crutch helps to start raising or finish lowering at a point that
> > > is well above the horizontal (about 30 degrees).  The crutch reduces
> > > the effort required by the mast crane to start raising or finish
> > > lowering the mast assembly.  If the mast was perfectly horizontal it
> > > would be nearly impossible to use the crane.  Using a crane system
> > > requires a single individual, although a second is recommended for
> > > safety and in case lines or shrouds get caught during the process.
> > >
> > > I have raised and lowered the IMF rig without the benefit of a crane
> > > system with four strong guys and two six packs of beer.
> > > Unfortunately, even increasing the beer ratio would not enable two
> > > persons to safely lower an IMF rig without a crane.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > > Nissequogue River, NY
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > > David Talbot
> > > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 5:33 PM
> > > To: Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
> > >
> > > Any suggestions out there for a 2-person lowering?
> > > __________________________________________________
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From joedempsey at hughes.net  Mon Aug 27 12:29:11 2018
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joseph Dempsey)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 12:29:11 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
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If you're using the Rhodes mast Cradle and mast winch, you don't need two people. I've done it solo 4 times in one and a half years.

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?? 1. Re: Chris Cowie and GB (Mrbabs)
?? 2. Re: Chris Cowie and GB (Stan Spitzer)
?? 3. Lowering the mast (David Talbot)
?? 4. Re: Chris Cowie and GB (Joe Camp)
?? 5. Re: Lowering the mast (Richard Beytagh)
?? 6. Re: Lowering the mast (Curtis Ruck)
?? 7. Re: Lowering the mast (mweisner at ebsmed.com)
?? 8. Re: Lowering the mast (David Talbot)
?? 9. Gallons per hour (Chris Cowie)
? 10. Re: Gallons per hour (Charles Nieman)
? 11. Re: Gallons per hour (Chris Cowie)
? 12. Re: Gallons per hour (Rick Lange)
? 13. Re: Gallons per hour (Stephen Staum)
? 14. Re: Gallons per hour (S/V Lark)
? 15. Re: Gallons per hour (Rick Lange)
? 16. Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22 (Tex Hill)
? 17. Re: Helping Other Rhodies (elle)
? 18. Re: Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22 (S/V Lark)
? 19. Re: Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22 (S/V Lark)
? 20. Re: Helping Other Rhodies (marcelsophia)
? 21. Re: Helping Other Rhodies (Chris Cowie)
? 22. Re: Helping Other Rhodies (Stan Spitzer)
? 23. Re: Helping Other Rhodies (scranevmd at verizon.net)
? 24. Re: Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22 (Charles Gabriel)
? 25. Re: Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22 (Tex Hill)
? 26. Re: Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22 (S/V Lark)
? 27. Re: Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22 (Chris Cowie)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 12:10:51 -0700 (MST)
From: Mrbabs <Marc at babineauins.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Cowie and GB
Message-ID: <1535051451475-0.post at n5.nabble.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

For Rhodies new and old, the continuation of General Boats is a positive
proposition.? Who wants to own an orphan boat, even if beautiful?

How the continuation occurs is solely in the hands of the well known and
very respected helmsman himself.? The term "partnering" can mean different
things to different people. Investments or partnerships can be made with
time, talent or treasure. Interested parties rightly want to know what their
ROI would be.

Those wishing to partner must set forth their vision of what a partnership
needs to look like to entice interest.

But if one assumes the value of the business and real estate is $2,000,000,
simple math says General Boats would have to generate a profit of $14,000
per month to amortize a 20 year note. You would need to sell X number of new
and recycled Rhodes to pay the operating expenses plus generate the required
profit? 

Maybe the real estate has a higher value than what a boat manufacturer can
support?? I don't know the answers to any of these questions, but now that
we have embarked on a public discussion, maybe a basic framework can be
established starting with Stan's wish list.? 

Speaking for myself, I would like to be able to access and order parts
online!

We seem to be caught in the doldrums on this issue and although it's my hope
Stan lives another 92 years, the time and tide wait for no man. 

Humble and respectful,
I remain

Marc B.
s/v Baby Steps? 2007/2013
Westminster, MA






-----
Marc B.
s/v Baby Steps 
Westminster MA
Sailing Narragansett Bay

--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/


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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 08:44:17 -0400
From: Stan Spitzer <stan at rhodes22.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Cowie and GB
Message-ID: <a9ddf75c-3bf3-cd0d-67eb-8fff037bc324 at rhodes22.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Mark,

Thanks for your scholarly input.? I expect no less from you.? The 
semantics that pops out first in my read is the word "Return" from ROI 
(return on investment).? I know most of my growing up together friends, 
no longer with us, took the narrow read as "dollars".? Of course ones 
meaning for "return" is, rightly so, a personal one.? I started out, for 
some unclear reasons, choosing the one that meant a long, physically and 
mentally healthy, happy life.? One of my confirmations came at a class 
reunion.? A lady I had trouble placing, tugged at my sweater, "You are 
the only husband here doing what you want to do".

stan, with a fuller response to your mail, still to come, if you really 
want.


On 8/23/18 3:10 PM, Mrbabs wrote:
> For Rhodies new and old, the continuation of General Boats is a positive
> proposition.? Who wants to own an orphan boat, even if beautiful?
>
> How the continuation occurs is solely in the hands of the well known and
> very respected helmsman himself.? The term "partnering" can mean different
> things to different people. Investments or partnerships can be made with
> time, talent or treasure. Interested parties rightly want to know what their
> ROI would be.
>
> Those wishing to partner must set forth their vision of what a partnership
> needs to look like to entice interest.
>
> But if one assumes the value of the business and real estate is $2,000,000,
> simple math says General Boats would have to generate a profit of $14,000
> per month to amortize a 20 year note. You would need to sell X number of new
> and recycled Rhodes to pay the operating expenses plus generate the required
> profit?
>
> Maybe the real estate has a higher value than what a boat manufacturer can
> support?? I don't know the answers to any of these questions, but now that
> we have embarked on a public discussion, maybe a basic framework can be
> established starting with Stan's wish list.
>
> Speaking for myself, I would like to be able to access and order parts
> online!
>
> We seem to be caught in the doldrums on this issue and although it's my hope
> Stan lives another 92 years, the time and tide wait for no man.
>
> Humble and respectful,
> I remain
>
> Marc B.
> s/v Baby Steps? 2007/2013
> Westminster, MA
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----
> Marc B.
> s/v Baby Steps
> Westminster MA
> Sailing Narragansett Bay
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> __________________________________________________
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 17:32:39 -0400
From: David Talbot <talbotdavid50 at gmail.com>
To: Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
Message-ID:
<CAJK53dKjecMP2yh38zebGvLYgj5KfSWRYcTovC1JsmO=3QGo4g at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Any suggestions out there for a 2-person lowering?


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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 22:38:48 +0000 (UTC)
From: Joe Camp <jjcampjr at yahoo.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Cowie and GB
Message-ID: <2103667107.3502815.1535150328646 at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Hi Friend;
???? And I am not starting this way to tickle your poo-gullet (or whatever the current hyperbole for ass kissing is) and I won't run this on and on (as I am wont to... most of the time, as writers and English professors do).? I only want to comment on your enviable cache of pure wisdom displayed on the list and acquired over the years of rebuffing long lines of grommet bandits (as my long departed cop buddy and USN veteran who served on a? a sea-going tug in the North Atlantic during WW Deuce used to quip when referring to insults to a sailor's scuppers out-flow ). There was? no time then for eloquent semantics (I really love that word, say it out loud, "semantics";? It belongs in a poem) when riding fifty foot swells while steaming west from the Canary Islands chained to a torpedoed troop carrier headed to New Jersey.? Crap! looks as if I did get carried away again.?? No matter.

???? Ergo, allow me to close with this gem of a statement: As it turns out, you, yes you Stan are my personal ROI associated with belonging to this boat family. That's it, Pappy.


Joe Camp
sv John Dawson
Presumed floating on the Bohemia River, Earleville, MD.


?? On Friday, August 24, 2018, 8:44:22 AM EDT, Stan Spitzer <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:? 

Mark,

Thanks for your scholarly input.? I expect no less from you.? The 
semantics that pops out first in my read is the word "Return" from ROI 
(return on investment).? I know most of my growing up together friends, 
no longer with us, took the narrow read as "dollars".? Of course ones 
meaning for "return" is, rightly so, a personal one.? I started out, for 
some unclear reasons, choosing the one that meant a long, physically and 
mentally healthy, happy life.? One of my confirmations came at a class 
reunion.? A lady I had trouble placing, tugged at my sweater, "You are 
the only husband here doing what you want to do".

stan, with a fuller response to your mail, still to come, if you really 
want.


On 8/23/18 3:10 PM, Mrbabs wrote:
> For Rhodies new and old, the continuation of General Boats is a positive
> proposition.? Who wants to own an orphan boat, even if beautiful?
>
> How the continuation occurs is solely in the hands of the well known and
> very respected helmsman himself.? The term "partnering" can mean different
> things to different people. Investments or partnerships can be made with
> time, talent or treasure. Interested parties rightly want to know what their
> ROI would be.
>
> Those wishing to partner must set forth their vision of what a partnership
> needs to look like to entice interest.
>
> But if one assumes the value of the business and real estate is $2,000,000,
> simple math says General Boats would have to generate a profit of $14,000
> per month to amortize a 20 year note. You would need to sell X number of new
> and recycled Rhodes to pay the operating expenses plus generate the required
> profit?
>
> Maybe the real estate has a higher value than what a boat manufacturer can
> support?? I don't know the answers to any of these questions, but now that
> we have embarked on a public discussion, maybe a basic framework can be
> established starting with Stan's wish list.
>
> Speaking for myself, I would like to be able to access and order parts
> online!
>
> We seem to be caught in the doldrums on this issue and although it's my hope
> Stan lives another 92 years, the time and tide wait for no man.
>
> Humble and respectful,
> I remain
>
> Marc B.
> s/v Baby Steps? 2007/2013
> Westminster, MA
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----
> Marc B.
> s/v Baby Steps
> Westminster MA
> Sailing Narragansett Bay
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> __________________________________________________
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>
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 21:17:46 -0400
From: Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
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Main question, do you have any of the mast lowering/raising paranafalia?


~~~ _/) ~~~

Richard Beytagh
Phone: 828 337 0180


On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 5:32 PM David Talbot <talbotdavid50 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Any suggestions out there for a 2-person lowering?
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 21:54:05 -0400
From: Curtis Ruck <ruckc at yahoo.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
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I don't have the General Boats nice/new mast raising lowering kit, but i
have what appears to be a DIY raising lowering kit that works very well for
single hand lift in low wind.? in higher wind i just get a bystander at the
marina to hold one of the shrouds against the wind for balance.

The 2x4 on the mast end, is concave, to grip the mast, with a cheap ratchet
strap to hold it against the mast.? On the other end, it has two loop
brackets.? On the top side, i just attach the main sheet, and have the
other end secured.? On the bottom side, it has a line going from a cheap
dinghy trailer winch through a block/pulley going to the fore stay
attachment point.

I attach the rear shrouds before raising so once its up, i can pull against
them and the backstays to keep it from falling to one side or the other.
then I quickly attach the rest of the shrouds, then the forestay/furler.

It is a very very simple system.? I've raised lowered in 10 knots of wind
without significant issue.? I've heard. the GB system can raise/lower in an
hour.? I can have this boat ready to sail in 2 hours.? I'm not sure what
optimizations Stan made in his system to have a sub 1 hour time... maybe
the in-mast furling?? Maybe quick adjusting stay/shroud rigging screws?? It
takes me 45 minutes just to get all of the shrouds/stays adjusted right.? I
do not believe my 1979 Rhodes sails good with loose rigging.? I've
typically adjust them to 200 lbs.

--
Curtis


On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 9:17 PM Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com> wrote:

> Main question, do you have any of the mast lowering/raising paranafalia?
>
>
> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>
> Richard Beytagh
> Phone: 828 337 0180
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 5:32 PM David Talbot <talbotdavid50 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Any suggestions out there for a 2-person lowering?
> > __________________________________________________
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 22:39:24 -0400
From: <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
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David,

Two persons can easily raise or lower the original non-IMF from the bow.
There is no need for a mast crane.? It is really not that heavy and the
second person is there for safety and when you need to change your grip at
about 30 degrees from the horizontal.? The mast and genoa combo are easily
supported by the bow pulpit.

If you have the IMF mast, the weight is considerably greater.? The IMF rig
is best raised or lowered from a mast crutch located in the stern.? The
crutch helps to start raising or finish lowering at a point that is well
above the horizontal (about 30 degrees).? The crutch reduces the effort
required by the mast crane to start raising or finish lowering the mast
assembly.? If the mast was perfectly horizontal it would be nearly
impossible to use the crane.? Using a crane system requires a single
individual, although a second is recommended for safety and in case lines or
shrouds get caught during the process.

I have raised and lowered the IMF rig without the benefit of a crane system
with four strong guys and two six packs of beer.? Unfortunately, even
increasing the beer ratio would not enable two persons to safely lower an
IMF rig without a crane.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

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To: Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast

Any suggestions out there for a 2-person lowering?
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 22:49:21 -0400
From: David Talbot <talbotdavid50 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
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Thanks very helpful all
Appreciate the time and feedback

On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 10:39 PM, <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:

> David,
>
> Two persons can easily raise or lower the original non-IMF from the bow.
> There is no need for a mast crane.? It is really not that heavy and the
> second person is there for safety and when you need to change your grip at
> about 30 degrees from the horizontal.? The mast and genoa combo are easily
> supported by the bow pulpit.
>
> If you have the IMF mast, the weight is considerably greater.? The IMF rig
> is best raised or lowered from a mast crutch located in the stern.? The
> crutch helps to start raising or finish lowering at a point that is well
> above the horizontal (about 30 degrees).? The crutch reduces the effort
> required by the mast crane to start raising or finish lowering the mast
> assembly.? If the mast was perfectly horizontal it would be nearly
> impossible to use the crane.? Using a crane system requires a single
> individual, although a second is recommended for safety and in case lines
> or
> shrouds get caught during the process.
>
> I have raised and lowered the IMF rig without the benefit of a crane system
> with four strong guys and two six packs of beer.? Unfortunately, even
> increasing the beer ratio would not enable two persons to safely lower an
> IMF rig without a crane.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
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> David
> Talbot
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 05:29:51 -0700 (MST)
From: Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gallons per hour
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A standard formula for an outboard is hp divided by ten or 8 hp divided by
equals .8 gallons per hour at 3/4 speed 5 kts.? Does this seem about right? 
That would give a five gallon tank about 25 km plus.



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Suite 300
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 13:24:49 +0000
From: Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gallons per hour
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Chris
This sentence makes no sense and how did you change to km at the end ?????

Sent from my iPhone

Charles 

> On Aug 25, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com> wrote:
> 
> A standard formula for an outboard is hp divided by ten or 8 hp divided by
> equals .8 gallons per hour at 3/4 speed 5 kts.? Does this seem about right? 
> That would give a five gallon tank about 25 km plus.
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> Christopher P. Cowie????? 
> 
> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> Suite 300
> Washington, DC 20007
> 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile
> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
> 
> 
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 13:47:32 +0000
From: Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gallons per hour
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Trying to type on a phone.? My basic question, does hp divided by ten provide and accurate estimate of gallons per hour.


Please note our new office address and phone number

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On Aug 25, 2018, at 9:24 AM, Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com<mailto:blue66corvette at hotmail.com>> wrote:

Chris
This sentence makes no sense and how did you change to km at the end ?????

Sent from my iPhone

Charles

On Aug 25, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>> wrote:

A standard formula for an outboard is hp divided by ten or 8 hp divided by
equals .8 gallons per hour at 3/4 speed 5 kts.? Does this seem about right?
That would give a five gallon tank about 25 km plus.



-----
Christopher P. Cowie

4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
Suite 300
Washington, DC 20007
202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile
[ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]



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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 11:44:33 -0400
From: Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gallons per hour
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Hi Chris,

I don't think so, especially with 4 stroke engines where the variables are
like that of car mileage.

However, older 2 strokes are very predictable because they burn fuel at a
constant rate.? My older 9hp burns a gallon each hour whether idling or
pushing through 5 ft waves.

Regards,

Rick


On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 9:47 AM Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
wrote:

> Trying to type on a phone.? My basic question, does hp divided by ten
> provide and accurate estimate of gallons per hour.
>
>
> Please note our new office address and phone number
>
> Christopher P. Cowie? [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
>? [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
>
> 700 N Fairfax Street<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> Suite 304<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> Alexandria, Virginia 22314<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> 703.717.9103<tel:703.717.9103> ex.204 ? 202.270.1470<tel:202.270.1470>
> mobile
> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
>
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> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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> On Aug 25, 2018, at 9:24 AM, Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com
> <mailto:blue66corvette at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Chris
> This sentence makes no sense and how did you change to km at the end ?????
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Charles
>
> On Aug 25, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com
> <mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>> wrote:
>
> A standard formula for an outboard is hp divided by ten or 8 hp divided by
> equals .8 gallons per hour at 3/4 speed 5 kts.? Does this seem about right?
> That would give a five gallon tank about 25 km plus.
>
>
>
> -----
> Christopher P. Cowie
>
> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> Suite 300
> Washington, DC 20007
> 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile
> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
>
>
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 12:11:06 -0400
From: Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gallons per hour
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Rick,

I don?t understand. My 4 HP 2 stroke had a quart tank on the outboard. It
would run 2 hours @ 4.5 knots & 1 hour @ 5.5 knots. Since consumption has a
direct relationship to power output in any engine I don?t get how your 2
stroke consumes the same at all power settings. When flying I owned
aircraft with 108, 150 & 180 HP. They consumed 6, 8 & 10 gallons per hour
respectively? @ 70% cruise power.? Sorry Chris, I don?t know the formula
for computing consumption vs HP but the you can probably come up with one
from the above #?s.

Stephen Staum
s/v Carol Lee 2
Needham, MA

On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 11:45 AM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Chris,
>
> I don't think so, especially with 4 stroke engines where the variables are
> like that of car mileage.
>
> However, older 2 strokes are very predictable because they burn fuel at a
> constant rate.? My older 9hp burns a gallon each hour whether idling or
> pushing through 5 ft waves.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rick
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 9:47 AM Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Trying to type on a phone.? My basic question, does hp divided by ten
> > provide and accurate estimate of gallons per hour.
> >
> >
> > Please note our new office address and phone number
> >
> > Christopher P. Cowie? [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
> >? [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
> >
> > 700 N Fairfax Street<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> > Suite 304
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=BD581F0%5D%0A%3E%0A%3E+700+N+Fairfax+Street+%0A%3E+Suite+304+%0A%3E+Alexandria,+Virginia+22314&entry=gmail&source=g>
> <x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> > Alexandria, Virginia 22314
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=BD581F0%5D%0A%3E%0A%3E+700+N+Fairfax+Street+%0A%3E+Suite+304+%0A%3E+Alexandria,+Virginia+22314&entry=gmail&source=g>
> <x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> > 703.717.9103<tel:703.717.9103> ex.204 ? 202.270.1470<tel:202.270.1470>
> > mobile
> > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
> >
> > [cid:image001.jpg at 01D24014.7A2D04E0]
> > Please consider the environment before printing this email.
> >
> >
> > On Aug 25, 2018, at 9:24 AM, Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com
> > <mailto:blue66corvette at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Chris
> > This sentence makes no sense and how did you change to km at the end
> ?????
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > Charles
> >
> > On Aug 25, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com
> > <mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>> wrote:
> >
> > A standard formula for an outboard is hp divided by ten or 8 hp divided
> by
> > equals .8 gallons per hour at 3/4 speed 5 kts.? Does this seem about
> right?
> > That would give a five gallon tank about 25 km plus.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----
> > Christopher P. Cowie
> >
> > 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> > Suite 300
> > Washington, DC 20007
> > 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile
> > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 11:28:13 -0700 (MST)
From: S/V Lark <Colealexander at hotmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gallons per hour
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I don?t know a formula.??? I have a couple data points to muddy the water
(incorporate into your model).

My tohatsu sailmaster 6 has taken the Rhodes 25 n m at 4.5 knots uisng less
then a gallon in 1-2 foot confused chop.??? There was no wind, or I wouldn?t
know this.? It was right after a carbourator rebuild.

On a 500 pound Chrysler dinghy my Evenrude 2 cylinder 4 hp 2 stroke can tow
another boat a mile at near hull speed but will only make it half a mile
back before emptying its 1.5 qt internal tank.??? Again, I wouldn?t have
learned this if there was wind.?? On the other hand it has suffered two
mechanical failures in 30 years, otherwise starting on the second pull every
time no matter the temperature, so I guess It?s efficiency may be hindered
by the fact it actually runs.?? 

Math by dummies.?? 

Alex



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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 14:53:14 -0400
From: Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gallons per hour
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Stephen,

You're mixing apples with oranges, pears, etc.

An old 2 stroke 9.9hp is way oversized for most conditions of the R22, yet
when you need the muscle it is there.? So it will maintain a minimum fuel
flow for lubrication and never reach full RPM.

Very dirty but completely reliable throughout 20 years.

Regards,

Rick


On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 12:11 PM Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:

> Rick,
>
> I don?t understand. My 4 HP 2 stroke had a quart tank on the outboard. It
> would run 2 hours @ 4.5 knots & 1 hour @ 5.5 knots. Since consumption has a
> direct relationship to power output in any engine I don?t get how your 2
> stroke consumes the same at all power settings. When flying I owned
> aircraft with 108, 150 & 180 HP. They consumed 6, 8 & 10 gallons per hour
> respectively? @ 70% cruise power.? Sorry Chris, I don?t know the formula
> for computing consumption vs HP but the you can probably come up with one
> from the above #?s.
>
> Stephen Staum
> s/v Carol Lee 2
> Needham, MA
>


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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 14:20:40 -0500
From: Tex Hill <sundsvalla at earthlink.net>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Cc: Gloria Hill <gloria.denise at hotmail.com>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22
Message-ID: <B3ED8FC8-AB87-447D-BD4A-E3359FE6F55B at earthlink.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii

I need a photo or diagram of the main cabin sole for Rhodes 22.
I had the sole replaced and it was replaced without the inspection hole for the bilge. Now I need to know where to cut a hole to get to the bilge and center board cap.......
Thanks,
Tex Hill
Pensacola, FL
850-453-1729 home
850-287-4009 cell
850-324-9188 cell

In God We Trust......Have a Blessed Day!


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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 21:31:44 +0000 (UTC)
From: elle <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Helping Other Rhodies
Message-ID: <1278720379.3082923.1535232704399 at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Anyone out there who really WANTS an R-22? Have a great one for sale...I'm getting old but she is in the prime of her life.
elle 

??? On Monday, August 20, 2018 12:42 PM, Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:


I really love the way the "List Members" are always stepping up to assist
other owners with their problems or just question. I feel I could not sell
my Rhodes 22 to someone that JUST wants a sailboat. They would need to WANT
a Rhodes 22.

Cary
s/v Whisper
Radford, VA
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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 19:30:39 -0700 (MST)
From: S/V Lark <Colealexander at hotmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22
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This may not help much, it shows the sole partially removed from a v berth
perspective.??? The bilge hatch sits between the stingers just in front of
the centerboard cap and goes up to the battery compartment and head area.? 
I can measure it tomorrow, thunderstorms allowing.??? 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t691/EEF19D0D-AA13-40AE-B1EE-429FECD7B187.jpeg> 



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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 19:32:22 -0700 (MST)
From: S/V Lark <Colealexander at hotmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t691/8A46E935-4E86-4DB7-A4D2-DAF76A4713EC.jpeg> 

Apologies, linked the wrong image.

Alex



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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 07:31:26 -0700 (MST)
From: marcelsophia <marcelsophia at aol.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Helping Other Rhodies
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Hi. I am new to sailing and am very interested in buying a Rhodes 22. My
husband and I have been looking for a while and have not found very many for
sale. Where is the boat located?? Do you have any photos?? What year is it? 
The Rhodes 22 seems like the perfect boat and i am very interested. Thanks
so much. Sophia



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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 14:50:16 +0000
From: Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
To: marcelsophia <marcelsophia at aol.com>, The Rhodes 22 Email List
<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Helping Other Rhodies
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Sophia
The Rhodes list is a very supportive group and many owners are willing to take you out for a sail.? Where are you located?? I have a boat at the Washington sailing marina in Alexandria Virginia and can show you my boat if you are In The area.? Send me an email.


Please note our new office address and phone number

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700 N Fairfax Street<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
Suite 304<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
Alexandria, Virginia 22314<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
703.717.9103<tel:703.717.9103> ex.204 ? 202.270.1470<tel:202.270.1470> mobile
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On Aug 26, 2018, at 10:31 AM, marcelsophia via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> wrote:

Hi. I am new to sailing and am very interested in buying a Rhodes 22. My
husband and I have been looking for a while and have not found very many for
sale. Where is the boat located?? Do you have any photos?? What year is it?
The Rhodes 22 seems like the perfect boat and i am very interested. Thanks
so much. Sophia



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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:51:18 -0400
From: Stan Spitzer <stan at rhodes22.com>
To: marcelsophia <marcelsophia at aol.com>, The Rhodes 22 Email List
<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Helping Other Rhodies
Message-ID: <13117979-2042-1441-149d-3f57ad56be60 at rhodes22.com>
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Hi Sophia,

While General Boats in NC is the best place for you to see the most used 
Rhodes available in a single location, I think in your case you should 
buy one through a private party sale.? Our strong suggestion is that 
when you do, you should go with the Certificate of Support program.

??? ? http://www.usedrhodes.com/certificate.html

stan





On 8/26/18 10:31 AM, marcelsophia via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> Hi. I am new to sailing and am very interested in buying a Rhodes 22. My
> husband and I have been looking for a while and have not found very many for
> sale. Where is the boat located?? Do you have any photos?? What year is it?
> The Rhodes 22 seems like the perfect boat and i am very interested. Thanks
> so much. Sophia
>
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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:59:33 -0400
From: <scranevmd at verizon.net>
To: "'marcelsophia'" <marcelsophia at aol.com>, "'The Rhodes 22 Email
List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Helping Other Rhodies
Message-ID: <037c01d43d4d$66b3c2e0$341b48a0$@verizon.net>
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Where are you located?? I have a boat on the Chesapeake Bay that I am
selling.? You can reach me at 610-637-9660.? I do have someone interested
but that is not final at this time.

Susan Crane
s/v Whimsy
Bohemia River
Chesapeake Bay

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marcelsophia via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 10:31 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Helping Other Rhodies

Hi. I am new to sailing and am very interested in buying a Rhodes 22. My
husband and I have been looking for a while and have not found very many for
sale. Where is the boat located?? Do you have any photos?? What year is it? 
The Rhodes 22 seems like the perfect boat and i am very interested. Thanks
so much. Sophia



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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:16:53 -0400
From: Charles Gabriel <charles.gabriel at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22
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Maybe this will help. Vintage c1992.

[image: 20180826_112459.jpg]

On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 3:20 PM Tex Hill <sundsvalla at earthlink.net> wrote:

> I need a photo or diagram of the main cabin sole for Rhodes 22.
> I had the sole replaced and it was replaced without the inspection hole
> for the bilge. Now I need to know where to cut a hole to get to the bilge
> and center board cap.......
> Thanks,
> Tex Hill
> Pensacola, FL
> 850-453-1729 home
> 850-287-4009 cell
> 850-324-9188 cell
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Message: 25
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 19:52:31 -0500
From: Tex Hill <sundsvalla at earthlink.net>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22
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Thanks Alex'
What year is Lark?
Your bilge opening looks narrower than what I remember ours is . I assume the picture is looking aft? If so than your boat is different than ours because I don't see the step/bench we have. I don't recall the stringers being that close together. I am afraid to cut the new sole and hit the stringer.
I received a picture from Charles, another Rhodes owner that looks just like ours with the sole in place and asked him to send a picture with the sole inspection hatch removed. Anxious to see where the stringers are before I cut.
Actually have someone else cut since some RVN and old age injuries make it interesting for me to get down on my knees.
Again, thank you for your reply.
Tex Hill
In God We Trust......Have a Blessed Day!

> On Aug 25, 2018, at 21:30, S/V Lark <Colealexander at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> This may not help much, it shows the sole partially removed from a v berth
> perspective.??? The bilge hatch sits between the stingers just in front of
> the centerboard cap and goes up to the battery compartment and head area.? 
> I can measure it tomorrow, thunderstorms allowing.??? 
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t691/EEF19D0D-AA13-40AE-B1EE-429FECD7B187.jpeg> 
> 
> 
> 
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> S/V Lark
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Message: 26
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 18:44:40 -0700 (MST)
From: S/V Lark <Colealexander at hotmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22
Message-ID: <1535334280644-0.post at n5.nabble.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t691/581DCB3E-D09C-4082-BC09-498DF4209D2B.jpeg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t691/555CC485-C08F-41EE-BA5E-5B958CF4CF72.jpeg> 

Lark is a 2002 boat.?? The stringers are fiberglass.?? I pulled the step out
because birds had plugged my centerboard pennant tube with grass from a
failed nest that turned into black goo.??? The seats were draining into the
cabin step and filling my bilge.?? A plumbers snake would go right through
the slime but not remove it.?? Raising and lowering the centerboard didn?t
help either.?? I needed access to pull the tube and clean it out.??? I think
it was leaking around the hose clamp.? 

I also pulled part of the sole out, the port side went under the settee and
the starboard under the galley,?? The center could be removed independently
to access the centerboard.??? This is the advantage of a builder that refits
his boats.??? Thanks Stan.

I didn?t remember a tape measure like Charles, but used a key as reference
for size.?? 





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Message: 27
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 10:15:07 +0000
From: Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22
Message-ID: <B914F5A2-615E-4FD8-AF6C-02CF86C5930D at cowieassociates.com>
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I replaced my sole with teak and holy and made a pattern of pieces that can be removed withe screws and an inspection hatch.[image1.jpeg][image2.jpeg][image3.jpeg][image4.jpeg]


Please note our new office address and phone number

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On Aug 26, 2018, at 8:52 PM, Tex Hill <sundsvalla at earthlink.net<mailto:sundsvalla at earthlink.net>> wrote:

Thanks Alex'
What year is Lark?
Your bilge opening looks narrower than what I remember ours is . I assume the picture is looking aft? If so than your boat is different than ours because I don't see the step/bench we have. I don't recall the stringers being that close together. I am afraid to cut the new sole and hit the stringer.
I received a picture from Charles, another Rhodes owner that looks just like ours with the sole in place and asked him to send a picture with the sole inspection hatch removed. Anxious to see where the stringers are before I cut.
Actually have someone else cut since some RVN and old age injuries make it interesting for me to get down on my knees.
Again, thank you for your reply.
Tex Hill
In God We Trust......Have a Blessed Day!

On Aug 25, 2018, at 21:30, S/V Lark <Colealexander at hotmail.com<mailto:Colealexander at hotmail.com>> wrote:

This may not help much, it shows the sole partially removed from a v berth
perspective.??? The bilge hatch sits between the stingers just in front of
the centerboard cap and goes up to the battery compartment and head area.
I can measure it tomorrow, thunderstorms allowing.
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t691/EEF19D0D-AA13-40AE-B1EE-429FECD7B187.jpeg>



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From stan at rhodes22.com  Mon Aug 27 12:43:19 2018
From: stan at rhodes22.com (Stan Spitzer)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 12:43:19 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
In-Reply-To: <hc5psqjg9u71liia9q2tf7n2.1535387351971@hughes.net>
References: <hc5psqjg9u71liia9q2tf7n2.1535387351971@hughes.net>
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I have done it single handed at boat shows all over the country.? Of 
course I was in my eighties then.? Great single handed option.? The 
booklet that comes with it does say that, "/One/ /man/ can raise the 
mast without the GB mast hoist system.? We just have not found him yet".

stan

On 8/27/18 12:29 PM, Joseph Dempsey wrote:
> If you're using the Rhodes mast Cradle and mast winch, you don't need two people. I've done it solo 4 times in one and a half years.
>
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>  ?? 1. Re: Chris Cowie and GB (Mrbabs)
>  ?? 2. Re: Chris Cowie and GB (Stan Spitzer)
>  ?? 3. Lowering the mast (David Talbot)
>  ?? 4. Re: Chris Cowie and GB (Joe Camp)
>  ?? 5. Re: Lowering the mast (Richard Beytagh)
>  ?? 6. Re: Lowering the mast (Curtis Ruck)
>  ?? 7. Re: Lowering the mast (mweisner at ebsmed.com)
>  ?? 8. Re: Lowering the mast (David Talbot)
>  ?? 9. Gallons per hour (Chris Cowie)
>  ? 10. Re: Gallons per hour (Charles Nieman)
>  ? 11. Re: Gallons per hour (Chris Cowie)
>  ? 12. Re: Gallons per hour (Rick Lange)
>  ? 13. Re: Gallons per hour (Stephen Staum)
>  ? 14. Re: Gallons per hour (S/V Lark)
>  ? 15. Re: Gallons per hour (Rick Lange)
>  ? 16. Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22 (Tex Hill)
>  ? 17. Re: Helping Other Rhodies (elle)
>  ? 18. Re: Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22 (S/V Lark)
>  ? 19. Re: Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22 (S/V Lark)
>  ? 20. Re: Helping Other Rhodies (marcelsophia)
>  ? 21. Re: Helping Other Rhodies (Chris Cowie)
>  ? 22. Re: Helping Other Rhodies (Stan Spitzer)
>  ? 23. Re: Helping Other Rhodies (scranevmd at verizon.net)
>  ? 24. Re: Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22 (Charles Gabriel)
>  ? 25. Re: Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22 (Tex Hill)
>  ? 26. Re: Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22 (S/V Lark)
>  ? 27. Re: Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22 (Chris Cowie)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 12:10:51 -0700 (MST)
> From: Mrbabs <Marc at babineauins.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Cowie and GB
> Message-ID: <1535051451475-0.post at n5.nabble.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> For Rhodies new and old, the continuation of General Boats is a positive
> proposition.? Who wants to own an orphan boat, even if beautiful?
>
> How the continuation occurs is solely in the hands of the well known and
> very respected helmsman himself.? The term "partnering" can mean different
> things to different people. Investments or partnerships can be made with
> time, talent or treasure. Interested parties rightly want to know what their
> ROI would be.
>
> Those wishing to partner must set forth their vision of what a partnership
> needs to look like to entice interest.
>
> But if one assumes the value of the business and real estate is $2,000,000,
> simple math says General Boats would have to generate a profit of $14,000
> per month to amortize a 20 year note. You would need to sell X number of new
> and recycled Rhodes to pay the operating expenses plus generate the required
> profit?
>
> Maybe the real estate has a higher value than what a boat manufacturer can
> support?? I don't know the answers to any of these questions, but now that
> we have embarked on a public discussion, maybe a basic framework can be
> established starting with Stan's wish list.
>
> Speaking for myself, I would like to be able to access and order parts
> online!
>
> We seem to be caught in the doldrums on this issue and although it's my hope
> Stan lives another 92 years, the time and tide wait for no man.
>
> Humble and respectful,
> I remain
>
> Marc B.
> s/v Baby Steps? 2007/2013
> Westminster, MA
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----
> Marc B.
> s/v Baby Steps
> Westminster MA
> Sailing Narragansett Bay
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 08:44:17 -0400
> From: Stan Spitzer <stan at rhodes22.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Cowie and GB
> Message-ID: <a9ddf75c-3bf3-cd0d-67eb-8fff037bc324 at rhodes22.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Mark,
>
> Thanks for your scholarly input.? I expect no less from you.? The
> semantics that pops out first in my read is the word "Return" from ROI
> (return on investment).? I know most of my growing up together friends,
> no longer with us, took the narrow read as "dollars".? Of course ones
> meaning for "return" is, rightly so, a personal one.? I started out, for
> some unclear reasons, choosing the one that meant a long, physically and
> mentally healthy, happy life.? One of my confirmations came at a class
> reunion.? A lady I had trouble placing, tugged at my sweater, "You are
> the only husband here doing what you want to do".
>
> stan, with a fuller response to your mail, still to come, if you really
> want.
>
>
> On 8/23/18 3:10 PM, Mrbabs wrote:
>> For Rhodies new and old, the continuation of General Boats is a positive
>> proposition.? Who wants to own an orphan boat, even if beautiful?
>>
>> How the continuation occurs is solely in the hands of the well known and
>> very respected helmsman himself.? The term "partnering" can mean different
>> things to different people. Investments or partnerships can be made with
>> time, talent or treasure. Interested parties rightly want to know what their
>> ROI would be.
>>
>> Those wishing to partner must set forth their vision of what a partnership
>> needs to look like to entice interest.
>>
>> But if one assumes the value of the business and real estate is $2,000,000,
>> simple math says General Boats would have to generate a profit of $14,000
>> per month to amortize a 20 year note. You would need to sell X number of new
>> and recycled Rhodes to pay the operating expenses plus generate the required
>> profit?
>>
>> Maybe the real estate has a higher value than what a boat manufacturer can
>> support?? I don't know the answers to any of these questions, but now that
>> we have embarked on a public discussion, maybe a basic framework can be
>> established starting with Stan's wish list.
>>
>> Speaking for myself, I would like to be able to access and order parts
>> online!
>>
>> We seem to be caught in the doldrums on this issue and although it's my hope
>> Stan lives another 92 years, the time and tide wait for no man.
>>
>> Humble and respectful,
>> I remain
>>
>> Marc B.
>> s/v Baby Steps? 2007/2013
>> Westminster, MA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Marc B.
>> s/v Baby Steps
>> Westminster MA
>> Sailing Narragansett Bay
>>
>> --
>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 17:32:39 -0400
> From: David Talbot <talbotdavid50 at gmail.com>
> To: Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
> Message-ID:
> <CAJK53dKjecMP2yh38zebGvLYgj5KfSWRYcTovC1JsmO=3QGo4g at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Any suggestions out there for a 2-person lowering?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 22:38:48 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Joe Camp <jjcampjr at yahoo.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Cowie and GB
> Message-ID: <2103667107.3502815.1535150328646 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Hi Friend;
> ???? And I am not starting this way to tickle your poo-gullet (or whatever the current hyperbole for ass kissing is) and I won't run this on and on (as I am wont to... most of the time, as writers and English professors do).? I only want to comment on your enviable cache of pure wisdom displayed on the list and acquired over the years of rebuffing long lines of grommet bandits (as my long departed cop buddy and USN veteran who served on a? a sea-going tug in the North Atlantic during WW Deuce used to quip when referring to insults to a sailor's scuppers out-flow ). There was? no time then for eloquent semantics (I really love that word, say it out loud, "semantics";? It belongs in a poem) when riding fifty foot swells while steaming west from the Canary Islands chained to a torpedoed troop carrier headed to New Jersey.? Crap! looks as if I did get carried away again.?? No matter.
>
> ???? Ergo, allow me to close with this gem of a statement: As it turns out, you, yes you Stan are my personal ROI associated with belonging to this boat family. That's it, Pappy.
>
>
> Joe Camp
> sv John Dawson
> Presumed floating on the Bohemia River, Earleville, MD.
>
>
>  ?? On Friday, August 24, 2018, 8:44:22 AM EDT, Stan Spitzer <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> Thanks for your scholarly input.? I expect no less from you.? The
> semantics that pops out first in my read is the word "Return" from ROI
> (return on investment).? I know most of my growing up together friends,
> no longer with us, took the narrow read as "dollars".? Of course ones
> meaning for "return" is, rightly so, a personal one.? I started out, for
> some unclear reasons, choosing the one that meant a long, physically and
> mentally healthy, happy life.? One of my confirmations came at a class
> reunion.? A lady I had trouble placing, tugged at my sweater, "You are
> the only husband here doing what you want to do".
>
> stan, with a fuller response to your mail, still to come, if you really
> want.
>
>
> On 8/23/18 3:10 PM, Mrbabs wrote:
>> For Rhodies new and old, the continuation of General Boats is a positive
>> proposition.? Who wants to own an orphan boat, even if beautiful?
>>
>> How the continuation occurs is solely in the hands of the well known and
>> very respected helmsman himself.? The term "partnering" can mean different
>> things to different people. Investments or partnerships can be made with
>> time, talent or treasure. Interested parties rightly want to know what their
>> ROI would be.
>>
>> Those wishing to partner must set forth their vision of what a partnership
>> needs to look like to entice interest.
>>
>> But if one assumes the value of the business and real estate is $2,000,000,
>> simple math says General Boats would have to generate a profit of $14,000
>> per month to amortize a 20 year note. You would need to sell X number of new
>> and recycled Rhodes to pay the operating expenses plus generate the required
>> profit?
>>
>> Maybe the real estate has a higher value than what a boat manufacturer can
>> support?? I don't know the answers to any of these questions, but now that
>> we have embarked on a public discussion, maybe a basic framework can be
>> established starting with Stan's wish list.
>>
>> Speaking for myself, I would like to be able to access and order parts
>> online!
>>
>> We seem to be caught in the doldrums on this issue and although it's my hope
>> Stan lives another 92 years, the time and tide wait for no man.
>>
>> Humble and respectful,
>> I remain
>>
>> Marc B.
>> s/v Baby Steps? 2007/2013
>> Westminster, MA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Marc B.
>> s/v Baby Steps
>> Westminster MA
>> Sailing Narragansett Bay
>>
>> --
>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 21:17:46 -0400
> From: Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
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> Main question, do you have any of the mast lowering/raising paranafalia?
>
>
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>
> Richard Beytagh
> Phone: 828 337 0180
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 5:32 PM David Talbot <talbotdavid50 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Any suggestions out there for a 2-person lowering?
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 21:54:05 -0400
> From: Curtis Ruck <ruckc at yahoo.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
> Message-ID:
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> I don't have the General Boats nice/new mast raising lowering kit, but i
> have what appears to be a DIY raising lowering kit that works very well for
> single hand lift in low wind.? in higher wind i just get a bystander at the
> marina to hold one of the shrouds against the wind for balance.
>
> The 2x4 on the mast end, is concave, to grip the mast, with a cheap ratchet
> strap to hold it against the mast.? On the other end, it has two loop
> brackets.? On the top side, i just attach the main sheet, and have the
> other end secured.? On the bottom side, it has a line going from a cheap
> dinghy trailer winch through a block/pulley going to the fore stay
> attachment point.
>
> I attach the rear shrouds before raising so once its up, i can pull against
> them and the backstays to keep it from falling to one side or the other.
> then I quickly attach the rest of the shrouds, then the forestay/furler.
>
> It is a very very simple system.? I've raised lowered in 10 knots of wind
> without significant issue.? I've heard. the GB system can raise/lower in an
> hour.? I can have this boat ready to sail in 2 hours.? I'm not sure what
> optimizations Stan made in his system to have a sub 1 hour time... maybe
> the in-mast furling?? Maybe quick adjusting stay/shroud rigging screws?? It
> takes me 45 minutes just to get all of the shrouds/stays adjusted right.? I
> do not believe my 1979 Rhodes sails good with loose rigging.? I've
> typically adjust them to 200 lbs.
>
> --
> Curtis
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 9:17 PM Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Main question, do you have any of the mast lowering/raising paranafalia?
>>
>>
>> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>>
>> Richard Beytagh
>> Phone: 828 337 0180
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 5:32 PM David Talbot <talbotdavid50 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Any suggestions out there for a 2-person lowering?
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 22:39:24 -0400
> From: <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
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> David,
>
> Two persons can easily raise or lower the original non-IMF from the bow.
> There is no need for a mast crane.? It is really not that heavy and the
> second person is there for safety and when you need to change your grip at
> about 30 degrees from the horizontal.? The mast and genoa combo are easily
> supported by the bow pulpit.
>
> If you have the IMF mast, the weight is considerably greater.? The IMF rig
> is best raised or lowered from a mast crutch located in the stern.? The
> crutch helps to start raising or finish lowering at a point that is well
> above the horizontal (about 30 degrees).? The crutch reduces the effort
> required by the mast crane to start raising or finish lowering the mast
> assembly.? If the mast was perfectly horizontal it would be nearly
> impossible to use the crane.? Using a crane system requires a single
> individual, although a second is recommended for safety and in case lines or
> shrouds get caught during the process.
>
> I have raised and lowered the IMF rig without the benefit of a crane system
> with four strong guys and two six packs of beer.? Unfortunately, even
> increasing the beer ratio would not enable two persons to safely lower an
> IMF rig without a crane.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Talbot
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 5:33 PM
> To: Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
>
> Any suggestions out there for a 2-person lowering?
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 22:49:21 -0400
> From: David Talbot <talbotdavid50 at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
> Message-ID:
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>
> Thanks very helpful all
> Appreciate the time and feedback
>
> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 10:39 PM, <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>
>> David,
>>
>> Two persons can easily raise or lower the original non-IMF from the bow.
>> There is no need for a mast crane.? It is really not that heavy and the
>> second person is there for safety and when you need to change your grip at
>> about 30 degrees from the horizontal.? The mast and genoa combo are easily
>> supported by the bow pulpit.
>>
>> If you have the IMF mast, the weight is considerably greater.? The IMF rig
>> is best raised or lowered from a mast crutch located in the stern.? The
>> crutch helps to start raising or finish lowering at a point that is well
>> above the horizontal (about 30 degrees).? The crutch reduces the effort
>> required by the mast crane to start raising or finish lowering the mast
>> assembly.? If the mast was perfectly horizontal it would be nearly
>> impossible to use the crane.? Using a crane system requires a single
>> individual, although a second is recommended for safety and in case lines
>> or
>> shrouds get caught during the process.
>>
>> I have raised and lowered the IMF rig without the benefit of a crane system
>> with four strong guys and two six packs of beer.? Unfortunately, even
>> increasing the beer ratio would not enable two persons to safely lower an
>> IMF rig without a crane.
>>
>> Mike
>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> David
>> Talbot
>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 5:33 PM
>> To: Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
>>
>> Any suggestions out there for a 2-person lowering?
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 05:29:51 -0700 (MST)
> From: Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gallons per hour
> Message-ID: <1535200191509-0.post at n5.nabble.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> A standard formula for an outboard is hp divided by ten or 8 hp divided by
> equals .8 gallons per hour at 3/4 speed 5 kts.? Does this seem about right?
> That would give a five gallon tank about 25 km plus.
>
>
>
> -----
> Christopher P. Cowie
>
> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> Suite 300
> Washington, DC 20007
> 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile
> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
>
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 13:24:49 +0000
> From: Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gallons per hour
> Message-ID:
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>
> Chris
> This sentence makes no sense and how did you change to km at the end ?????
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Charles
>
>> On Aug 25, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com> wrote:
>>
>> A standard formula for an outboard is hp divided by ten or 8 hp divided by
>> equals .8 gallons per hour at 3/4 speed 5 kts.? Does this seem about right?
>> That would give a five gallon tank about 25 km plus.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Christopher P. Cowie
>>
>> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
>> Suite 300
>> Washington, DC 20007
>> 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile
>> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 13:47:32 +0000
> From: Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gallons per hour
> Message-ID: <E161A1CC-87F6-47CA-990B-39B32A6B3C27 at cowieassociates.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Trying to type on a phone.? My basic question, does hp divided by ten provide and accurate estimate of gallons per hour.
>
>
> Please note our new office address and phone number
>
> Christopher P. Cowie? [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]?? [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
>
> 700 N Fairfax Street<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> Suite 304<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> Alexandria, Virginia 22314<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> 703.717.9103<tel:703.717.9103> ex.204 ? 202.270.1470<tel:202.270.1470> mobile
> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
>
> [cid:image001.jpg at 01D24014.7A2D04E0]
> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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>
> On Aug 25, 2018, at 9:24 AM, Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com<mailto:blue66corvette at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Chris
> This sentence makes no sense and how did you change to km at the end ?????
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Charles
>
> On Aug 25, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>> wrote:
>
> A standard formula for an outboard is hp divided by ten or 8 hp divided by
> equals .8 gallons per hour at 3/4 speed 5 kts.? Does this seem about right?
> That would give a five gallon tank about 25 km plus.
>
>
>
> -----
> Christopher P. Cowie
>
> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> Suite 300
> Washington, DC 20007
> 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile
> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
>
>
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 11:44:33 -0400
> From: Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gallons per hour
> Message-ID:
> <CABkv36bdGLRRSAb9fBovCup8JGgCvNJD0ABgXMbUtusrwpzmTg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> I don't think so, especially with 4 stroke engines where the variables are
> like that of car mileage.
>
> However, older 2 strokes are very predictable because they burn fuel at a
> constant rate.? My older 9hp burns a gallon each hour whether idling or
> pushing through 5 ft waves.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rick
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 9:47 AM Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Trying to type on a phone.? My basic question, does hp divided by ten
>> provide and accurate estimate of gallons per hour.
>>
>>
>> Please note our new office address and phone number
>>
>> Christopher P. Cowie? [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
>>  ? [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
>>
>> 700 N Fairfax Street<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
>> Suite 304<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
>> Alexandria, Virginia 22314<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
>> 703.717.9103<tel:703.717.9103> ex.204 ? 202.270.1470<tel:202.270.1470>
>> mobile
>> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
>>
>> [cid:image001.jpg at 01D24014.7A2D04E0]
>> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
>>
>>
>> On Aug 25, 2018, at 9:24 AM, Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com
>> <mailto:blue66corvette at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Chris
>> This sentence makes no sense and how did you change to km at the end ?????
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> Charles
>>
>> On Aug 25, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com
>> <mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>> wrote:
>>
>> A standard formula for an outboard is hp divided by ten or 8 hp divided by
>> equals .8 gallons per hour at 3/4 speed 5 kts.? Does this seem about right?
>> That would give a five gallon tank about 25 km plus.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Christopher P. Cowie
>>
>> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
>> Suite 300
>> Washington, DC 20007
>> 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile
>> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 12:11:06 -0400
> From: Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gallons per hour
> Message-ID:
> <CAOo_Fjdcwn8aKkfNrDELVRdX-JxG-ioGkWQgdyAJMv9nwPdRdQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Rick,
>
> I don?t understand. My 4 HP 2 stroke had a quart tank on the outboard. It
> would run 2 hours @ 4.5 knots & 1 hour @ 5.5 knots. Since consumption has a
> direct relationship to power output in any engine I don?t get how your 2
> stroke consumes the same at all power settings. When flying I owned
> aircraft with 108, 150 & 180 HP. They consumed 6, 8 & 10 gallons per hour
> respectively? @ 70% cruise power.? Sorry Chris, I don?t know the formula
> for computing consumption vs HP but the you can probably come up with one
> from the above #?s.
>
> Stephen Staum
> s/v Carol Lee 2
> Needham, MA
>
> On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 11:45 AM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> I don't think so, especially with 4 stroke engines where the variables are
>> like that of car mileage.
>>
>> However, older 2 strokes are very predictable because they burn fuel at a
>> constant rate.? My older 9hp burns a gallon each hour whether idling or
>> pushing through 5 ft waves.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 9:47 AM Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Trying to type on a phone.? My basic question, does hp divided by ten
>>> provide and accurate estimate of gallons per hour.
>>>
>>>
>>> Please note our new office address and phone number
>>>
>>> Christopher P. Cowie? [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
>>>  ? [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
>>>
>>> 700 N Fairfax Street<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
>>> Suite 304
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=BD581F0%5D%0A%3E%0A%3E+700+N+Fairfax+Street+%0A%3E+Suite+304+%0A%3E+Alexandria,+Virginia+22314&entry=gmail&source=g>
>> <x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
>>> Alexandria, Virginia 22314
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=BD581F0%5D%0A%3E%0A%3E+700+N+Fairfax+Street+%0A%3E+Suite+304+%0A%3E+Alexandria,+Virginia+22314&entry=gmail&source=g>
>> <x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
>>> 703.717.9103<tel:703.717.9103> ex.204 ? 202.270.1470<tel:202.270.1470>
>>> mobile
>>> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
>>>
>>> [cid:image001.jpg at 01D24014.7A2D04E0]
>>> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 25, 2018, at 9:24 AM, Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com
>>> <mailto:blue66corvette at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Chris
>>> This sentence makes no sense and how did you change to km at the end
>> ?????
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> Charles
>>>
>>> On Aug 25, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com
>>> <mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> A standard formula for an outboard is hp divided by ten or 8 hp divided
>> by
>>> equals .8 gallons per hour at 3/4 speed 5 kts.? Does this seem about
>> right?
>>> That would give a five gallon tank about 25 km plus.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Christopher P. Cowie
>>>
>>> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
>>> Suite 300
>>> Washington, DC 20007
>>> 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile
>>> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> __________________________________________________
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>>>
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>>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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From trimsails at gmail.com  Mon Aug 27 12:49:56 2018
From: trimsails at gmail.com (trimsails)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 12:49:56 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
In-Reply-To: <f4cb69ef-be85-748b-336d-ea747f85d245@rhodes22.com>
References: <hc5psqjg9u71liia9q2tf7n2.1535387351971@hughes.net>
 <f4cb69ef-be85-748b-336d-ea747f85d245@rhodes22.com>
Message-ID: <CAMzmXV57n77L78Z4rzeWMc7AY+7iJLZEEaC8uotjqhAX7q9fHw@mail.gmail.com>

Stan ism
"/One/ /man/ can raise the mast without the GB mast hoist system.  We just
have not found him yet".

One of many.

Jerry in NC

On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 12:43 PM Stan Spitzer <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:

>
> I have done it single handed at boat shows all over the country.  Of
> course I was in my eighties then.  Great single handed option.  The
> booklet that comes with it does say that, "/One/ /man/ can raise the
> mast without the GB mast hoist system.  We just have not found him yet".
>
> stan
>
> On 8/27/18 12:29 PM, Joseph Dempsey wrote:
> > If you're using the Rhodes mast Cradle and mast winch, you don't need
> two people. I've done it solo 4 times in one and a half years.
> >
> > Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device
> >
> >
> >    Original Message
> > From: rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org
> > Sent: August 27, 2018 6:15 AM
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Reply-to: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4090, Issue 1
> >
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> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >     1. Re: Chris Cowie and GB (Mrbabs)
> >     2. Re: Chris Cowie and GB (Stan Spitzer)
> >     3. Lowering the mast (David Talbot)
> >     4. Re: Chris Cowie and GB (Joe Camp)
> >     5. Re: Lowering the mast (Richard Beytagh)
> >     6. Re: Lowering the mast (Curtis Ruck)
> >     7. Re: Lowering the mast (mweisner at ebsmed.com)
> >     8. Re: Lowering the mast (David Talbot)
> >     9. Gallons per hour (Chris Cowie)
> >    10. Re: Gallons per hour (Charles Nieman)
> >    11. Re: Gallons per hour (Chris Cowie)
> >    12. Re: Gallons per hour (Rick Lange)
> >    13. Re: Gallons per hour (Stephen Staum)
> >    14. Re: Gallons per hour (S/V Lark)
> >    15. Re: Gallons per hour (Rick Lange)
> >    16. Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22 (Tex Hill)
> >    17. Re: Helping Other Rhodies (elle)
> >    18. Re: Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22 (S/V Lark)
> >    19. Re: Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22 (S/V Lark)
> >    20. Re: Helping Other Rhodies (marcelsophia)
> >    21. Re: Helping Other Rhodies (Chris Cowie)
> >    22. Re: Helping Other Rhodies (Stan Spitzer)
> >    23. Re: Helping Other Rhodies (scranevmd at verizon.net)
> >    24. Re: Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22 (Charles Gabriel)
> >    25. Re: Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22 (Tex Hill)
> >    26. Re: Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22 (S/V Lark)
> >    27. Re: Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22 (Chris Cowie)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 12:10:51 -0700 (MST)
> > From: Mrbabs <Marc at babineauins.com>
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Cowie and GB
> > Message-ID: <1535051451475-0.post at n5.nabble.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > For Rhodies new and old, the continuation of General Boats is a positive
> > proposition.  Who wants to own an orphan boat, even if beautiful?
> >
> > How the continuation occurs is solely in the hands of the well known and
> > very respected helmsman himself.  The term "partnering" can mean
> different
> > things to different people. Investments or partnerships can be made with
> > time, talent or treasure. Interested parties rightly want to know what
> their
> > ROI would be.
> >
> > Those wishing to partner must set forth their vision of what a
> partnership
> > needs to look like to entice interest.
> >
> > But if one assumes the value of the business and real estate is
> $2,000,000,
> > simple math says General Boats would have to generate a profit of $14,000
> > per month to amortize a 20 year note. You would need to sell X number of
> new
> > and recycled Rhodes to pay the operating expenses plus generate the
> required
> > profit?
> >
> > Maybe the real estate has a higher value than what a boat manufacturer
> can
> > support?  I don't know the answers to any of these questions, but now
> that
> > we have embarked on a public discussion, maybe a basic framework can be
> > established starting with Stan's wish list.
> >
> > Speaking for myself, I would like to be able to access and order parts
> > online!
> >
> > We seem to be caught in the doldrums on this issue and although it's my
> hope
> > Stan lives another 92 years, the time and tide wait for no man.
> >
> > Humble and respectful,
> > I remain
> >
> > Marc B.
> > s/v Baby Steps  2007/2013
> > Westminster, MA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----
> > Marc B.
> > s/v Baby Steps
> > Westminster MA
> > Sailing Narragansett Bay
> >
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 08:44:17 -0400
> > From: Stan Spitzer <stan at rhodes22.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Cowie and GB
> > Message-ID: <a9ddf75c-3bf3-cd0d-67eb-8fff037bc324 at rhodes22.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> >
> > Mark,
> >
> > Thanks for your scholarly input.? I expect no less from you.? The
> > semantics that pops out first in my read is the word "Return" from ROI
> > (return on investment).? I know most of my growing up together friends,
> > no longer with us, took the narrow read as "dollars".? Of course ones
> > meaning for "return" is, rightly so, a personal one.? I started out, for
> > some unclear reasons, choosing the one that meant a long, physically and
> > mentally healthy, happy life.? One of my confirmations came at a class
> > reunion.? A lady I had trouble placing, tugged at my sweater, "You are
> > the only husband here doing what you want to do".
> >
> > stan, with a fuller response to your mail, still to come, if you really
> > want.
> >
> >
> > On 8/23/18 3:10 PM, Mrbabs wrote:
> >> For Rhodies new and old, the continuation of General Boats is a positive
> >> proposition.  Who wants to own an orphan boat, even if beautiful?
> >>
> >> How the continuation occurs is solely in the hands of the well known and
> >> very respected helmsman himself.  The term "partnering" can mean
> different
> >> things to different people. Investments or partnerships can be made with
> >> time, talent or treasure. Interested parties rightly want to know what
> their
> >> ROI would be.
> >>
> >> Those wishing to partner must set forth their vision of what a
> partnership
> >> needs to look like to entice interest.
> >>
> >> But if one assumes the value of the business and real estate is
> $2,000,000,
> >> simple math says General Boats would have to generate a profit of
> $14,000
> >> per month to amortize a 20 year note. You would need to sell X number
> of new
> >> and recycled Rhodes to pay the operating expenses plus generate the
> required
> >> profit?
> >>
> >> Maybe the real estate has a higher value than what a boat manufacturer
> can
> >> support?  I don't know the answers to any of these questions, but now
> that
> >> we have embarked on a public discussion, maybe a basic framework can be
> >> established starting with Stan's wish list.
> >>
> >> Speaking for myself, I would like to be able to access and order parts
> >> online!
> >>
> >> We seem to be caught in the doldrums on this issue and although it's my
> hope
> >> Stan lives another 92 years, the time and tide wait for no man.
> >>
> >> Humble and respectful,
> >> I remain
> >>
> >> Marc B.
> >> s/v Baby Steps  2007/2013
> >> Westminster, MA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----
> >> Marc B.
> >> s/v Baby Steps
> >> Westminster MA
> >> Sailing Narragansett Bay
> >>
> >> --
> >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>
> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> __________________________________________________
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 17:32:39 -0400
> > From: David Talbot <talbotdavid50 at gmail.com>
> > To: Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
> > Message-ID:
> > <CAJK53dKjecMP2yh38zebGvLYgj5KfSWRYcTovC1JsmO=3QGo4g at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > Any suggestions out there for a 2-person lowering?
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 22:38:48 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: Joe Camp <jjcampjr at yahoo.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Cowie and GB
> > Message-ID: <2103667107.3502815.1535150328646 at mail.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > Hi Friend;
> > ???? And I am not starting this way to tickle your poo-gullet (or
> whatever the current hyperbole for ass kissing is) and I won't run this on
> and on (as I am wont to... most of the time, as writers and English
> professors do).? I only want to comment on your enviable cache of pure
> wisdom displayed on the list and acquired over the years of rebuffing long
> lines of grommet bandits (as my long departed cop buddy and USN veteran who
> served on a? a sea-going tug in the North Atlantic during WW Deuce used to
> quip when referring to insults to a sailor's scuppers out-flow ). There
> was? no time then for eloquent semantics (I really love that word, say it
> out loud, "semantics";? It belongs in a poem) when riding fifty foot swells
> while steaming west from the Canary Islands chained to a torpedoed troop
> carrier headed to New Jersey.? Crap! looks as if I did get carried away
> again.?? No matter.
> >
> > ???? Ergo, allow me to close with this gem of a statement: As it turns
> out, you, yes you Stan are my personal ROI associated with belonging to
> this boat family. That's it, Pappy.
> >
> >
> > Joe Camp
> > sv John Dawson
> > Presumed floating on the Bohemia River, Earleville, MD.
> >
> >
> >     On Friday, August 24, 2018, 8:44:22 AM EDT, Stan Spitzer <
> stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
> >
> > Mark,
> >
> > Thanks for your scholarly input.? I expect no less from you.? The
> > semantics that pops out first in my read is the word "Return" from ROI
> > (return on investment).? I know most of my growing up together friends,
> > no longer with us, took the narrow read as "dollars".? Of course ones
> > meaning for "return" is, rightly so, a personal one.? I started out, for
> > some unclear reasons, choosing the one that meant a long, physically and
> > mentally healthy, happy life.? One of my confirmations came at a class
> > reunion.? A lady I had trouble placing, tugged at my sweater, "You are
> > the only husband here doing what you want to do".
> >
> > stan, with a fuller response to your mail, still to come, if you really
> > want.
> >
> >
> > On 8/23/18 3:10 PM, Mrbabs wrote:
> >> For Rhodies new and old, the continuation of General Boats is a positive
> >> proposition.? Who wants to own an orphan boat, even if beautiful?
> >>
> >> How the continuation occurs is solely in the hands of the well known and
> >> very respected helmsman himself.? The term "partnering" can mean
> different
> >> things to different people. Investments or partnerships can be made with
> >> time, talent or treasure. Interested parties rightly want to know what
> their
> >> ROI would be.
> >>
> >> Those wishing to partner must set forth their vision of what a
> partnership
> >> needs to look like to entice interest.
> >>
> >> But if one assumes the value of the business and real estate is
> $2,000,000,
> >> simple math says General Boats would have to generate a profit of
> $14,000
> >> per month to amortize a 20 year note. You would need to sell X number
> of new
> >> and recycled Rhodes to pay the operating expenses plus generate the
> required
> >> profit?
> >>
> >> Maybe the real estate has a higher value than what a boat manufacturer
> can
> >> support?? I don't know the answers to any of these questions, but now
> that
> >> we have embarked on a public discussion, maybe a basic framework can be
> >> established starting with Stan's wish list.
> >>
> >> Speaking for myself, I would like to be able to access and order parts
> >> online!
> >>
> >> We seem to be caught in the doldrums on this issue and although it's my
> hope
> >> Stan lives another 92 years, the time and tide wait for no man.
> >>
> >> Humble and respectful,
> >> I remain
> >>
> >> Marc B.
> >> s/v Baby Steps? 2007/2013
> >> Westminster, MA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----
> >> Marc B.
> >> s/v Baby Steps
> >> Westminster MA
> >> Sailing Narragansett Bay
> >>
> >> --
> >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>
> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> __________________________________________________
> > __________________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >
> > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > __________________________________________________
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 21:17:46 -0400
> > From: Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
> > Message-ID:
> > <CALbDJ9bs+=XonzYrJhjBCtSGFB70g6SvsDPb=xS5yNU1_Zj4Vg at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > Main question, do you have any of the mast lowering/raising paranafalia?
> >
> >
> > ~~~ _/) ~~~
> >
> > Richard Beytagh
> > Phone: 828 337 0180
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 5:32 PM David Talbot <talbotdavid50 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Any suggestions out there for a 2-person lowering?
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>
> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go
> >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> __________________________________________________
> >>
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 21:54:05 -0400
> > From: Curtis Ruck <ruckc at yahoo.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
> > Message-ID:
> > <CAFgGLFdw65G=dErGEKAYRu7rLk5iMw3VLj7_BMbGpX=usUjViw at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > I don't have the General Boats nice/new mast raising lowering kit, but i
> > have what appears to be a DIY raising lowering kit that works very well
> for
> > single hand lift in low wind.  in higher wind i just get a bystander at
> the
> > marina to hold one of the shrouds against the wind for balance.
> >
> > The 2x4 on the mast end, is concave, to grip the mast, with a cheap
> ratchet
> > strap to hold it against the mast.  On the other end, it has two loop
> > brackets.  On the top side, i just attach the main sheet, and have the
> > other end secured.  On the bottom side, it has a line going from a cheap
> > dinghy trailer winch through a block/pulley going to the fore stay
> > attachment point.
> >
> > I attach the rear shrouds before raising so once its up, i can pull
> against
> > them and the backstays to keep it from falling to one side or the other.
> > then I quickly attach the rest of the shrouds, then the forestay/furler.
> >
> > It is a very very simple system.  I've raised lowered in 10 knots of wind
> > without significant issue.  I've heard. the GB system can raise/lower in
> an
> > hour.  I can have this boat ready to sail in 2 hours.  I'm not sure what
> > optimizations Stan made in his system to have a sub 1 hour time... maybe
> > the in-mast furling?  Maybe quick adjusting stay/shroud rigging screws?
> It
> > takes me 45 minutes just to get all of the shrouds/stays adjusted
> right.  I
> > do not believe my 1979 Rhodes sails good with loose rigging.  I've
> > typically adjust them to 200 lbs.
> >
> > --
> > Curtis
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 9:17 PM Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Main question, do you have any of the mast lowering/raising paranafalia?
> >>
> >>
> >> ~~~ _/) ~~~
> >>
> >> Richard Beytagh
> >> Phone: 828 337 0180
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 5:32 PM David Talbot <talbotdavid50 at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Any suggestions out there for a 2-person lowering?
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>>
> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go
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> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>>
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
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> >>
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> >> __________________________________________________
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> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 22:39:24 -0400
> > From: <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
> > Message-ID: <000401d43c1c$d6eaa600$84bff200$@ebsmed.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;     charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > David,
> >
> > Two persons can easily raise or lower the original non-IMF from the bow.
> > There is no need for a mast crane.  It is really not that heavy and the
> > second person is there for safety and when you need to change your grip
> at
> > about 30 degrees from the horizontal.  The mast and genoa combo are
> easily
> > supported by the bow pulpit.
> >
> > If you have the IMF mast, the weight is considerably greater.  The IMF
> rig
> > is best raised or lowered from a mast crutch located in the stern.  The
> > crutch helps to start raising or finish lowering at a point that is well
> > above the horizontal (about 30 degrees).  The crutch reduces the effort
> > required by the mast crane to start raising or finish lowering the mast
> > assembly.  If the mast was perfectly horizontal it would be nearly
> > impossible to use the crane.  Using a crane system requires a single
> > individual, although a second is recommended for safety and in case
> lines or
> > shrouds get caught during the process.
> >
> > I have raised and lowered the IMF rig without the benefit of a crane
> system
> > with four strong guys and two six packs of beer.  Unfortunately, even
> > increasing the beer ratio would not enable two persons to safely lower an
> > IMF rig without a crane.
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> David
> > Talbot
> > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 5:33 PM
> > To: Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
> >
> > Any suggestions out there for a 2-person lowering?
> > __________________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >
> > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go to
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > __________________________________________________
> >
> >
> > ---
> > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> > https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 22:49:21 -0400
> > From: David Talbot <talbotdavid50 at gmail.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
> > Message-ID:
> > <CAJK53dKtzLmrP9WfjEW09KNEAfWoWWW3B9Gq=-MMjS8YZyEAdg at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > Thanks very helpful all
> > Appreciate the time and feedback
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 10:39 PM, <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> >
> >> David,
> >>
> >> Two persons can easily raise or lower the original non-IMF from the bow.
> >> There is no need for a mast crane.  It is really not that heavy and the
> >> second person is there for safety and when you need to change your grip
> at
> >> about 30 degrees from the horizontal.  The mast and genoa combo are
> easily
> >> supported by the bow pulpit.
> >>
> >> If you have the IMF mast, the weight is considerably greater.  The IMF
> rig
> >> is best raised or lowered from a mast crutch located in the stern.  The
> >> crutch helps to start raising or finish lowering at a point that is well
> >> above the horizontal (about 30 degrees).  The crutch reduces the effort
> >> required by the mast crane to start raising or finish lowering the mast
> >> assembly.  If the mast was perfectly horizontal it would be nearly
> >> impossible to use the crane.  Using a crane system requires a single
> >> individual, although a second is recommended for safety and in case
> lines
> >> or
> >> shrouds get caught during the process.
> >>
> >> I have raised and lowered the IMF rig without the benefit of a crane
> system
> >> with four strong guys and two six packs of beer.  Unfortunately, even
> >> increasing the beer ratio would not enable two persons to safely lower
> an
> >> IMF rig without a crane.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> >> David
> >> Talbot
> >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 5:33 PM
> >> To: Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
> >>
> >> Any suggestions out there for a 2-person lowering?
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>
> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go
> >> to
> >> http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> __________________________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> ---
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> >>
> >> __________________________________________________
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> go
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> >> __________________________________________________
> >>
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 05:29:51 -0700 (MST)
> > From: Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gallons per hour
> > Message-ID: <1535200191509-0.post at n5.nabble.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > A standard formula for an outboard is hp divided by ten or 8 hp divided
> by
> > equals .8 gallons per hour at 3/4 speed 5 kts.  Does this seem about
> right?
> > That would give a five gallon tank about 25 km plus.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----
> > Christopher P. Cowie
> >
> > 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> > Suite 300
> > Washington, DC 20007
> > 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile
> > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 10
> > Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 13:24:49 +0000
> > From: Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gallons per hour
> > Message-ID:
> > <
> DM5PR18MB121258774458CDFD14BC335AD9350 at DM5PR18MB1212.namprd18.prod.outlook.com
> >
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Chris
> > This sentence makes no sense and how did you change to km at the end
> ?????
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > Charles
> >
> >> On Aug 25, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> A standard formula for an outboard is hp divided by ten or 8 hp divided
> by
> >> equals .8 gallons per hour at 3/4 speed 5 kts.  Does this seem about
> right?
> >> That would give a five gallon tank about 25 km plus.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----
> >> Christopher P. Cowie
> >>
> >> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> >> Suite 300
> >> Washington, DC 20007
> >> 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile
> >> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
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> >>
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 11
> > Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 13:47:32 +0000
> > From: Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gallons per hour
> > Message-ID: <E161A1CC-87F6-47CA-990B-39B32A6B3C27 at cowieassociates.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Trying to type on a phone.  My basic question, does hp divided by ten
> provide and accurate estimate of gallons per hour.
> >
> >
> > Please note our new office address and phone number
> >
> > Christopher P. Cowie  [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
> [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
> >
> > 700 N Fairfax Street<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> > Suite 304<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> > Alexandria, Virginia 22314<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> > 703.717.9103<tel:703.717.9103> ex.204 ? 202.270.1470<tel:202.270.1470>
> mobile
> > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
> >
> > [cid:image001.jpg at 01D24014.7A2D04E0]
> > Please consider the environment before printing this email.
> >
> >
> > On Aug 25, 2018, at 9:24 AM, Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com
> <mailto:blue66corvette at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Chris
> > This sentence makes no sense and how did you change to km at the end
> ?????
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > Charles
> >
> > On Aug 25, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com
> <mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>> wrote:
> >
> > A standard formula for an outboard is hp divided by ten or 8 hp divided
> by
> > equals .8 gallons per hour at 3/4 speed 5 kts.  Does this seem about
> right?
> > That would give a five gallon tank about 25 km plus.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----
> > Christopher P. Cowie
> >
> > 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> > Suite 300
> > Washington, DC 20007
> > 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile
> > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> > __________________________________________________
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 12
> > Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 11:44:33 -0400
> > From: Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gallons per hour
> > Message-ID:
> > <CABkv36bdGLRRSAb9fBovCup8JGgCvNJD0ABgXMbUtusrwpzmTg at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > Hi Chris,
> >
> > I don't think so, especially with 4 stroke engines where the variables
> are
> > like that of car mileage.
> >
> > However, older 2 strokes are very predictable because they burn fuel at a
> > constant rate.  My older 9hp burns a gallon each hour whether idling or
> > pushing through 5 ft waves.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 9:47 AM Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Trying to type on a phone.  My basic question, does hp divided by ten
> >> provide and accurate estimate of gallons per hour.
> >>
> >>
> >> Please note our new office address and phone number
> >>
> >> Christopher P. Cowie  [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
> >>    [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
> >>
> >> 700 N Fairfax Street<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> >> Suite 304<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> >> Alexandria, Virginia 22314<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> >> 703.717.9103<tel:703.717.9103> ex.204 ? 202.270.1470<tel:202.270.1470>
> >> mobile
> >> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
> >>
> >> [cid:image001.jpg at 01D24014.7A2D04E0]
> >> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Aug 25, 2018, at 9:24 AM, Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com
> >> <mailto:blue66corvette at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Chris
> >> This sentence makes no sense and how did you change to km at the end
> ?????
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> Charles
> >>
> >> On Aug 25, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com
> >> <mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> A standard formula for an outboard is hp divided by ten or 8 hp divided
> by
> >> equals .8 gallons per hour at 3/4 speed 5 kts.  Does this seem about
> right?
> >> That would give a five gallon tank about 25 km plus.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----
> >> Christopher P. Cowie
> >>
> >> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> >> Suite 300
> >> Washington, DC 20007
> >> 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile
> >> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
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> go
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> >>
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 13
> > Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 12:11:06 -0400
> > From: Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gallons per hour
> > Message-ID:
> > <CAOo_Fjdcwn8aKkfNrDELVRdX-JxG-ioGkWQgdyAJMv9nwPdRdQ at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > Rick,
> >
> > I don?t understand. My 4 HP 2 stroke had a quart tank on the outboard. It
> > would run 2 hours @ 4.5 knots & 1 hour @ 5.5 knots. Since consumption
> has a
> > direct relationship to power output in any engine I don?t get how your 2
> > stroke consumes the same at all power settings. When flying I owned
> > aircraft with 108, 150 & 180 HP. They consumed 6, 8 & 10 gallons per hour
> > respectively  @ 70% cruise power.  Sorry Chris, I don?t know the formula
> > for computing consumption vs HP but the you can probably come up with one
> > from the above #?s.
> >
> > Stephen Staum
> > s/v Carol Lee 2
> > Needham, MA
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 11:45 AM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Chris,
> >>
> >> I don't think so, especially with 4 stroke engines where the variables
> are
> >> like that of car mileage.
> >>
> >> However, older 2 strokes are very predictable because they burn fuel at
> a
> >> constant rate.  My older 9hp burns a gallon each hour whether idling or
> >> pushing through 5 ft waves.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Rick
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 9:47 AM Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Trying to type on a phone.  My basic question, does hp divided by ten
> >>> provide and accurate estimate of gallons per hour.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Please note our new office address and phone number
> >>>
> >>> Christopher P. Cowie  [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
> >>>    [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
> >>>
> >>> 700 N Fairfax Street<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> >>> Suite 304
> >> <
> https://maps.google.com/?q=BD581F0%5D%0A%3E%0A%3E+700+N+Fairfax+Street+%0A%3E+Suite+304+%0A%3E+Alexandria,+Virginia+22314&entry=gmail&source=g
> >
> >> <x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> >>> Alexandria, Virginia 22314
> >> <
> https://maps.google.com/?q=BD581F0%5D%0A%3E%0A%3E+700+N+Fairfax+Street+%0A%3E+Suite+304+%0A%3E+Alexandria,+Virginia+22314&entry=gmail&source=g
> >
> >> <x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> >>> 703.717.9103<tel:703.717.9103> ex.204 ? 202.270.1470<tel:202.270.1470>
> >>> mobile
> >>> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
> >>>
> >>> [cid:image001.jpg at 01D24014.7A2D04E0]
> >>> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Aug 25, 2018, at 9:24 AM, Charles Nieman <
> blue66corvette at hotmail.com
> >>> <mailto:blue66corvette at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Chris
> >>> This sentence makes no sense and how did you change to km at the end
> >> ?????
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> Charles
> >>>
> >>> On Aug 25, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com
> >>> <mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> A standard formula for an outboard is hp divided by ten or 8 hp divided
> >> by
> >>> equals .8 gallons per hour at 3/4 speed 5 kts.  Does this seem about
> >> right?
> >>> That would give a five gallon tank about 25 km plus.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----
> >>> Christopher P. Cowie
> >>>
> >>> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> >>> Suite 300
> >>> Washington, DC 20007
> >>> 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile
> >>> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>>
> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go
> >>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>>
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> go
> >>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>>
> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go
> >>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>>
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
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> >>
> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go
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> >> __________________________________________________
> >>
>
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From sundsvalla at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 27 13:17:56 2018
From: sundsvalla at earthlink.net (Tex Hill)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 12:17:56 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
In-Reply-To: <f4cb69ef-be85-748b-336d-ea747f85d245@rhodes22.com>
References: <hc5psqjg9u71liia9q2tf7n2.1535387351971@hughes.net>
 <f4cb69ef-be85-748b-336d-ea747f85d245@rhodes22.com>
Message-ID: <1538D5A1-4C97-4556-AF04-6BE686903A02@earthlink.net>

Stan and all,
My daughter could raise and lower the mast by herself. Great rig.
I can also, but then I am considerably bigger. I should say, could since I haven't done it in years. In fact so long ago I have forgotten how. Will be looking for instructions in the future.
Stan, you may recall,
My daughter bought a remanufactured boat from you and Elton at Edenton in the early ninety's and my wife bought a used one, "Just You and Me", at the  same time. My wife wanted a boat she could sail herself, didn't feel comfortable with our large boat.
You told her if she could knock it down you would give it to her, I thought we had a free boat when she sailed out of the protection of Pungo Creek onto the Pungo River on a very very strong windy day. We put the rail in the water, the boat was over so far we were standing upright on the lee side of the cockpit, but no water in the cockpit and the sail did not touch the water. No free boat.
Great memories.
Tex and Gloria Hill

In God We Trust......Have a Blessed Day!

> On Aug 27, 2018, at 11:43, Stan Spitzer <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I have done it single handed at boat shows all over the country.  Of course I was in my eighties then.  Great single handed option.  The booklet that comes with it does say that, "/One/ /man/ can raise the mast without the GB mast hoist system.  We just have not found him yet".
> 
> stan
> 
>> On 8/27/18 12:29 PM, Joseph Dempsey wrote:
>> If you're using the Rhodes mast Cradle and mast winch, you don't need two people. I've done it solo 4 times in one and a half years.
>> 
>> Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> Today's Topics:
>> 
>>   1. Re: Chris Cowie and GB (Mrbabs)
>>   2. Re: Chris Cowie and GB (Stan Spitzer)
>>   3. Lowering the mast (David Talbot)
>>   4. Re: Chris Cowie and GB (Joe Camp)
>>   5. Re: Lowering the mast (Richard Beytagh)
>>   6. Re: Lowering the mast (Curtis Ruck)
>>   7. Re: Lowering the mast (mweisner at ebsmed.com)
>>   8. Re: Lowering the mast (David Talbot)
>>   9. Gallons per hour (Chris Cowie)
>>  10. Re: Gallons per hour (Charles Nieman)
>>  11. Re: Gallons per hour (Chris Cowie)
>>  12. Re: Gallons per hour (Rick Lange)
>>  13. Re: Gallons per hour (Stephen Staum)
>>  14. Re: Gallons per hour (S/V Lark)
>>  15. Re: Gallons per hour (Rick Lange)
>>  16. Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22 (Tex Hill)
>>  17. Re: Helping Other Rhodies (elle)
>>  18. Re: Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22 (S/V Lark)
>>  19. Re: Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22 (S/V Lark)
>>  20. Re: Helping Other Rhodies (marcelsophia)
>>  21. Re: Helping Other Rhodie


From sundsvalla at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 27 13:55:53 2018
From: sundsvalla at earthlink.net (Tex Hill)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 12:55:53 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <1692702264.3264917.1535384022274@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <B3ED8FC8-AB87-447D-BD4A-E3359FE6F55B@earthlink.net>
 <1692702264.3264917.1535384022274@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6D314539-6553-42C8-A0DC-1554896DF063@earthlink.net>

Mark,
A photo with inspection board out, so I can see the stringers and hull would be helpful. Charles Gabriel sent a great picture of the sole with inspection board in place. Need to see a picture with the board out.
I am afraid that the entire new sole will have to come out to cut the inspection board so as not to damage the stringers. 
I should have been there when the new sole was installed. What I get for not doing it myself. Except my 85 yr knees and back don't bend like they used to.
Thanks,
Tex
In God We Trust......Have a Blessed Day!

> On Aug 27, 2018, at 10:33, Mark West <keywestseccorp at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> was at GB plant pulling floor out Friday this weekend  get pic for you and measurements if needed Mark West s/v Fairwind II.0 
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From 4cgabriel at gmail.com  Mon Aug 27 14:09:41 2018
From: 4cgabriel at gmail.com (C Gabriel)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 14:09:41 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <6D314539-6553-42C8-A0DC-1554896DF063@earthlink.net>
References: <B3ED8FC8-AB87-447D-BD4A-E3359FE6F55B@earthlink.net>
 <1692702264.3264917.1535384022274@mail.yahoo.com>
 <6D314539-6553-42C8-A0DC-1554896DF063@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CAEwOW6QB65h8Qtt9Lo--uSzmZmH+_9S8PuS4fUUGCQmuEBVrdA@mail.gmail.com>

....photo coming.... Charles is walking back from the boat now....Cecilia


On Mon, Aug 27, 2018, 1:55 PM Tex Hill <sundsvalla at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Mark,
> A photo with inspection board out, so I can see the stringers and hull
> would be helpful. Charles Gabriel sent a great picture of the sole with
> inspection board in place. Need to see a picture with the board out.
> I am afraid that the entire new sole will have to come out to cut the
> inspection board so as not to damage the stringers.
> I should have been there when the new sole was installed. What I get for
> not doing it myself. Except my 85 yr knees and back don't bend like they
> used to.
> Thanks,
> Tex
> In God We Trust......Have a Blessed Day!
>
> > On Aug 27, 2018, at 10:33, Mark West <keywestseccorp at verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > was at GB plant pulling floor out Friday this weekend  get pic for you
> and measurements if needed Mark West s/v Fairwind II.0
> > __________________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
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> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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>
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From charles.gabriel at gmail.com  Mon Aug 27 14:19:16 2018
From: charles.gabriel at gmail.com (Charles Gabriel)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 14:19:16 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <B3ED8FC8-AB87-447D-BD4A-E3359FE6F55B@earthlink.net>
References: <B3ED8FC8-AB87-447D-BD4A-E3359FE6F55B@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CABCtkXWq-2iUAyK_3K08RjR33hqWTo8e99TWbfU-AG-Lq6vmcw@mail.gmail.com>

Here 'ya go...

[image: 20180827_140012.jpg]

On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 3:20 PM Tex Hill <sundsvalla at earthlink.net> wrote:

> I need a photo or diagram of the main cabin sole for Rhodes 22.
> I had the sole replaced and it was replaced without the inspection hole
> for the bilge. Now I need to know where to cut a hole to get to the bilge
> and center board cap.......
> Thanks,
> Tex Hill
> Pensacola, FL
> 850-453-1729 home
> 850-287-4009 cell
> 850-324-9188 cell
>
> In God We Trust......Have a Blessed Day!
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From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Mon Aug 27 14:51:11 2018
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 18:51:11 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22
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This is the area that typically has a square inspection hatch to check for and remove any water in the bilge.

Christopher P. Cowie? ??

700 N Fairfax Street
Suite 304
Alexandria, Virginia 22314
703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile
[ccowie at cowieassociates.com]



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-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Charles Gabriel
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 2:19 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22

Here 'ya go...

[image: 20180827_140012.jpg]

On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 3:20 PM Tex Hill <sundsvalla at earthlink.net> wrote:

> I need a photo or diagram of the main cabin sole for Rhodes 22.
> I had the sole replaced and it was replaced without the inspection 
> hole for the bilge. Now I need to know where to cut a hole to get to 
> the bilge and center board cap.......
> Thanks,
> Tex Hill
> Pensacola, FL
> 850-453-1729 home
> 850-287-4009 cell
> 850-324-9188 cell
>
> In God We Trust......Have a Blessed Day!
> __________________________________________________
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> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list 
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Mon Aug 27 17:45:53 2018
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 17:45:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22
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Tex,

Sorry to be slow to join this thread, I?ve been out for a week-long sail in the Cape Cod area.

I?ve got a video about making a new floor for my Rhodes 22 on my YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VywOqYXqzYg&frags=pl%2Cwn

Sorry that it?s so long, feel free to fast forward over parts that don?t interest you.

No two Rhodes 22?s are identical, so pictures, or even measurements from other Rhodes owners will only get you so far.  In my case (and I suspect many others), the size of the bilge access hatch is larger than the space between the stringers.  This is because the hatch itself is supported by the stringers when it?s in place.  

If you knew somehow exactly where the stringers were, and cut out the hatch in the space between them, how would the hatch be supported?  

I feel I?m not being very clear here, but I think you?re going to have to take the floor out of the boat to do the job.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On Aug 25, 2018, at 3:20 PM, Tex Hill <sundsvalla at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> I need a photo or diagram of the main cabin sole for Rhodes 22.
> I had the sole replaced and it was replaced without the inspection hole for the bilge. Now I need to know where to cut a hole to get to the bilge and center board cap.......
> Thanks,
> Tex Hill
> Pensacola, FL
> 850-453-1729 home
> 850-287-4009 cell
> 850-324-9188 cell
> 
> In God We Trust......Have a Blessed Day!
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> 
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________


From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Mon Aug 27 17:55:18 2018
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 21:55:18 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <7381D791-9E08-45E2-98E5-747C6D6F809B@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <B3ED8FC8-AB87-447D-BD4A-E3359FE6F55B@earthlink.net>
 <7381D791-9E08-45E2-98E5-747C6D6F809B@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <BN6PR18MB15531415CEF87AE73A349ABBD10B0@BN6PR18MB1553.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>

Nice video, thanks for sharing

Christopher P. Cowie? ??

700 N Fairfax Street
Suite 304
Alexandria, Virginia 22314
703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile
[ccowie at cowieassociates.com]



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-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 5:46 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22

Tex,

Sorry to be slow to join this thread, I?ve been out for a week-long sail in the Cape Cod area.

I?ve got a video about making a new floor for my Rhodes 22 on my YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VywOqYXqzYg&frags=pl%2Cwn

Sorry that it?s so long, feel free to fast forward over parts that don?t interest you.

No two Rhodes 22?s are identical, so pictures, or even measurements from other Rhodes owners will only get you so far.  In my case (and I suspect many others), the size of the bilge access hatch is larger than the space between the stringers.  This is because the hatch itself is supported by the stringers when it?s in place.  

If you knew somehow exactly where the stringers were, and cut out the hatch in the space between them, how would the hatch be supported?  

I feel I?m not being very clear here, but I think you?re going to have to take the floor out of the boat to do the job.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On Aug 25, 2018, at 3:20 PM, Tex Hill <sundsvalla at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> I need a photo or diagram of the main cabin sole for Rhodes 22.
> I had the sole replaced and it was replaced without the inspection hole for the bilge. Now I need to know where to cut a hole to get to the bilge and center board cap.......
> Thanks,
> Tex Hill
> Pensacola, FL
> 850-453-1729 home
> 850-287-4009 cell
> 850-324-9188 cell
> 
> In God We Trust......Have a Blessed Day!
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to 
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> 
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives 
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list 
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From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com  Tue Aug 28 07:05:34 2018
From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 07:05:34 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <02EDD041-85E7-4EE1-B69E-469126BE3BB3@earthlink.net>
References: <B3ED8FC8-AB87-447D-BD4A-E3359FE6F55B@earthlink.net>
 <1535250639483-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <02EDD041-85E7-4EE1-B69E-469126BE3BB3@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4128FA77-94C8-42A2-8716-1AD60D486E9D@gmail.com>

Use a stud finder.

> On Aug 26, 2018, at 8:52 PM, Tex Hill <sundsvalla at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Alex'
> What year is Lark?
> Your bilge opening looks narrower than what I remember ours is . I assume the picture is looking aft? If so than your boat is different than ours because I don't see the step/bench we have. I don't recall the stringers being that close together. I am afraid to cut the new sole and hit the stringer.
> I received a picture from Charles, another Rhodes owner that looks just like ours with the sole in place and asked him to send a picture with the sole inspection hatch removed. Anxious to see where the stringers are before I cut.
> Actually have someone else cut since some RVN and old age injuries make it interesting for me to get down on my knees.
> Again, thank you for your reply.
> Tex Hill
> In God We Trust......Have a Blessed Day!
> 
>> On Aug 25, 2018, at 21:30, S/V Lark <Colealexander at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> This may not help much, it shows the sole partially removed from a v berth
>> perspective.    The bilge hatch sits between the stingers just in front of
>> the centerboard cap and goes up to the battery compartment and head area.  
>> I can measure it tomorrow, thunderstorms allowing.    
>> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t691/EEF19D0D-AA13-40AE-B1EE-429FECD7B187.jpeg> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----
>> Alex Cole
>> S/V Lark
>> --
>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>> __________________________________________________
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Tue Aug 28 07:23:44 2018
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 13:23:44 +0200
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 08-02 thru 08
Message-ID: <CADNTwiXW92pLFVfr-CYg9So+RbFy72v73VygY-OTuSuedThVoQ@mail.gmail.com>

So here are a few more days in northern Italy..  You may find some things
interesting.  Link:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1SSyOSvF6x0fCv3YtnumzZ_FhB_d2Cv0m


Enjoy
Chris & Alice Geankoplis
SV Enosis

From sundsvalla at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 28 16:04:25 2018
From: sundsvalla at earthlink.net (Tex Hill)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 15:04:25 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <7381D791-9E08-45E2-98E5-747C6D6F809B@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <B3ED8FC8-AB87-447D-BD4A-E3359FE6F55B@earthlink.net>
 <7381D791-9E08-45E2-98E5-747C6D6F809B@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <FC8433E9-E4E5-456F-9905-0868C4F2DFD7@earthlink.net>

Peter,
Thank you! Great video and workmanship! 
I saw what I needed to know, now to do it.
Tex

In God We Trust......Have a Blessed Day!

> On Aug 27, 2018, at 16:45, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> Tex,
> 
> Sorry to be slow to join this thread, I?ve been out for a week-long sail in the Cape Cod area.
> 
> I?ve got a video about making a new floor for my Rhodes 22 on my YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VywOqYXqzYg&frags=pl%2Cwn
> 
> Sorry that it?s so long, feel free to fast forward over parts that don?t interest you.
> 
> No two Rhodes 22?s are identical, so pictures, or even measurements from other Rhodes owners will only get you so far.  In my case (and I suspect many others), the size of the bilge access hatch is larger than the space between the stringers.  This is because the hatch itself is supported by the stringers when it?s in place.  
> 
> If you knew somehow exactly where the stringers were, and cut out the hatch in the space between them, how would the hatch be supported?  
> 
> I feel I?m not being very clear here, but I think you?re going to have to take the floor out of the boat to do the job.
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
>> On Aug 25, 2018, at 3:20 PM, Tex Hill <sundsvalla at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I need a photo or diagram of the main cabin sole for Rhodes 22.
>> I had the sole replaced and it was replaced without the inspection hole for the bilge. Now I need to know where to cut a hole to get to the bilge and center board cap.......
>> Thanks,
>> Tex Hill
>> Pensacola, FL
>> 850-453-1729 home
>> 850-287-4009 cell
>> 850-324-9188 cell
>> 
>> In God We Trust......Have a Blessed Day!
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>> 
>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>> __________________________________________________
> 
> __________________________________________________
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> 
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From sundsvalla at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 28 16:09:44 2018
From: sundsvalla at earthlink.net (Tex Hill)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 15:09:44 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR18MB155362DBDFF03D6DE2D68C8DD10B0@BN6PR18MB1553.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
References: <B3ED8FC8-AB87-447D-BD4A-E3359FE6F55B@earthlink.net>
 <CABCtkXWq-2iUAyK_3K08RjR33hqWTo8e99TWbfU-AG-Lq6vmcw@mail.gmail.com>
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Chris, I can't open the photo. I see a comment that says a non- text attachment was scrubbed. 
Tex
In God We Trust......Have a Blessed Day!

> On Aug 27, 2018, at 13:51, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com> wrote:
> 
> This is the area that typically has a square inspection hatch to check for and remove any water in the bilge.
> 
> Christopher P. Cowie    
> 
> 700 N Fairfax Street
> Suite 304
> Alexandria, Virginia 22314
> 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile
> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
> 
> 
> 
> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Charles Gabriel
> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 2:19 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22
> 
> Here 'ya go...
> 
> [image: 20180827_140012.jpg]
> 
>> On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 3:20 PM Tex Hill <sundsvalla at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I need a photo or diagram of the main cabin sole for Rhodes 22.
>> I had the sole replaced and it was replaced without the inspection 
>> hole for the bilge. Now I need to know where to cut a hole to get to 
>> the bilge and center board cap.......
>> Thanks,
>> Tex Hill
>> Pensacola, FL
>> 850-453-1729 home
>> 850-287-4009 cell
>> 850-324-9188 cell
>> 
>> In God We Trust......Have a Blessed Day!
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>> 
>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives 
>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list 
>> __________________________________________________
> 
> 
> --
> "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the American Government take care of him; better take a closer look at the American Indian."
> Henry Ford
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From hnw555 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 28 16:10:55 2018
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 16:10:55 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <6D157F15-E93B-4DF6-B2BC-6D340812E312@earthlink.net>
References: <B3ED8FC8-AB87-447D-BD4A-E3359FE6F55B@earthlink.net>
 <CABCtkXWq-2iUAyK_3K08RjR33hqWTo8e99TWbfU-AG-Lq6vmcw@mail.gmail.com>
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Chris,

Scroll down and you should see a link to the photo near the end of Chris's
email.

Hank

On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 4:09 PM Tex Hill <sundsvalla at earthlink.net> wrote:

>
> Chris, I can't open the photo. I see a comment that says a non- text
> attachment was scrubbed.
> Tex
> In God We Trust......Have a Blessed Day!
>
> > On Aug 27, 2018, at 13:51, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > This is the area that typically has a square inspection hatch to check
> for and remove any water in the bilge.
> >
> > Christopher P. Cowie
> >
> > 700 N Fairfax Street
> > Suite 304
> > Alexandria, Virginia 22314
> > 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile
> > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
> >
> >
> >
> > Please consider the environment before printing this email.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Charles Gabriel
> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 2:19 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22
> >
> > Here 'ya go...
> >
> > [image: 20180827_140012.jpg]
> >
> >> On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 3:20 PM Tex Hill <sundsvalla at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I need a photo or diagram of the main cabin sole for Rhodes 22.
> >> I had the sole replaced and it was replaced without the inspection
> >> hole for the bilge. Now I need to know where to cut a hole to get to
> >> the bilge and center board cap.......
> >> Thanks,
> >> Tex Hill
> >> Pensacola, FL
> >> 850-453-1729 home
> >> 850-287-4009 cell
> >> 850-324-9188 cell
> >>
> >> In God We Trust......Have a Blessed Day!
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>
> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> >> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> __________________________________________________
> >
> >
> > --
> > "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the
> American Government take care of him; better take a closer look at the
> American Indian."
> > Henry Ford
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> >
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Tue Aug 28 16:12:13 2018
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 20:12:13 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <6D157F15-E93B-4DF6-B2BC-6D340812E312@earthlink.net>
References: <B3ED8FC8-AB87-447D-BD4A-E3359FE6F55B@earthlink.net>
 <CABCtkXWq-2iUAyK_3K08RjR33hqWTo8e99TWbfU-AG-Lq6vmcw@mail.gmail.com>
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 <6D157F15-E93B-4DF6-B2BC-6D340812E312@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BYAPR05MB3927A5E7790929258BE9261EC10A0@BYAPR05MB3927.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Tex,
Check for a URL down towards the end of the email.  Attachments get converted to links in this email system.  Might have to reconstruct the link. - rob


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Tex Hill
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 4:10 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22


Chris, I can't open the photo. I see a comment that says a non- text attachment was scrubbed. 
Tex
In God We Trust......Have a Blessed Day!

> On Aug 27, 2018, at 13:51, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com> wrote:
> 
> This is the area that typically has a square inspection hatch to check for and remove any water in the bilge.
> 
> Christopher P. Cowie    
> 
> 700 N Fairfax Street
> Suite 304
> Alexandria, Virginia 22314
> 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
> 
> 
> 
> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
> Charles Gabriel
> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 2:19 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22
> 
> Here 'ya go...
> 
> [image: 20180827_140012.jpg]
> 
>> On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 3:20 PM Tex Hill <sundsvalla at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I need a photo or diagram of the main cabin sole for Rhodes 22.
>> I had the sole replaced and it was replaced without the inspection 
>> hole for the bilge. Now I need to know where to cut a hole to get to 
>> the bilge and center board cap.......
>> Thanks,
>> Tex Hill
>> Pensacola, FL
>> 850-453-1729 home
>> 850-287-4009 cell
>> 850-324-9188 cell
>> 
>> In God We Trust......Have a Blessed Day!
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>> 
>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and 
>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list 
>> __________________________________________________
> 
> 
> --
> "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the American Government take care of him; better take a closer look at the American Indian."
> Henry Ford
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From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Tue Aug 28 16:26:14 2018
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 13:26:14 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <6D157F15-E93B-4DF6-B2BC-6D340812E312@earthlink.net>
References: <B3ED8FC8-AB87-447D-BD4A-E3359FE6F55B@earthlink.net>
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Tex:

My previous replies are from my outlook email and I am not sure the image
links make it through to the list.  I am sending this reply from the list
and the images should come through.  Sometimes you have to scroll to the
bottom of the message and select the image link and sometimes you have to
cut and paste the link into your internet explore.  Image 01 shows my cabin
sole with the teak and holy and an area rug, Image 02 area rug removed,
image 03 inspection hatch removed, image 04 close up view of inspection
hatch.  Instead of installing tong and groove individual planks I found the
plywood sheet pattern an easier way to go.  I applied numerous coats of poly
to both sides before installing.
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t8/sole_01.jpg> "/>
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4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
Suite 300
Washington, DC 20007
202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile
[ccowie at cowieassociates.com]

 

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From Marc at babineauins.com  Tue Aug 28 17:01:48 2018
From: Marc at babineauins.com (Mrbabs)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 14:01:48 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Cowie and GB
In-Reply-To: <a9ddf75c-3bf3-cd0d-67eb-8fff037bc324@rhodes22.com>
References: <958d5de5-906b-7b74-9c07-ef7e6f98fcb2@rhodes22.com>
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Well Stan, selfishly, I would like to hear more, primarily as no one turns a
phrase like you do. Somehow you manage to make your answers both cogent and
cryptic so we are left to smile and wonder . . .   The mad men surely lost a
star when you left THE avenue and set your sails for a happy life.  

I surmise you are still the only husband from your class doing what you want
to do. In fact, you may be the only husband left standing at this point.  As
you are still standing, it doesn't appear you're ready for your portrait to
be placed on the board room wall anytime soon. So we await your personal
definition of partnership as GB cannot be birthed again and ultimately
remains your baby. 

Alas, how it happens remains to be seen, unless you are planning a Willie
Wonkka remake?

Warm Regards
Marc B.

PS - Let it be known that Joe Camp began your apotheosis.















-----
Marc B.
s/v Baby Steps 
Westminster MA
Sailing Narragansett Bay

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From luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com  Tue Aug 28 17:32:28 2018
From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com (Luis Guzman)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 17:32:28 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Cowie and GB
In-Reply-To: <1535490108547-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <958d5de5-906b-7b74-9c07-ef7e6f98fcb2@rhodes22.com>
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Stan,

I woukd love to create a partnership with you. I'm willing to move there
and learn every aspect if the business.

The only problem is that I have not won the lottery yet. Though, I believe
I'm very close to wining it. I just have to remember ti buy the dam ticket.

Maybe I should try to do one of those GoFundMe campaigns to raise the funds.

Luis
S/V 1983 Aquetxali


On Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 5:01 PM Mrbabs <Marc at babineauins.com> wrote:

> Well Stan, selfishly, I would like to hear more, primarily as no one turns
> a
> phrase like you do. Somehow you manage to make your answers both cogent and
> cryptic so we are left to smile and wonder . . .   The mad men surely lost
> a
> star when you left THE avenue and set your sails for a happy life.
>
> I surmise you are still the only husband from your class doing what you
> want
> to do. In fact, you may be the only husband left standing at this point.
> As
> you are still standing, it doesn't appear you're ready for your portrait to
> be placed on the board room wall anytime soon. So we await your personal
> definition of partnership as GB cannot be birthed again and ultimately
> remains your baby.
>
> Alas, how it happens remains to be seen, unless you are planning a Willie
> Wonkka remake?
>
> Warm Regards
> Marc B.
>
> PS - Let it be known that Joe Camp began your apotheosis.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----
> Marc B.
> s/v Baby Steps
> Westminster MA
> Sailing Narragansett Bay
>
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From christopher.pusateri at gmail.com  Tue Aug 28 19:14:57 2018
From: christopher.pusateri at gmail.com (Chris Pusateri)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 16:14:57 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] highest comfortable wind speed
Message-ID: <1535498097202-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Hello,

I have a question for the group: Although I do not yet have a Rhodes 22, I
am interested in owning this boat.  What is the highest wind speed you feel
comfortable sailing your Rhodes?  And how effective is partially unfurling
the IMF main?  My intention is not to race, but I also don't want to be
reluctant to go out when the winds are 25 knots.

Thanks in advance for sharing your experience.
Chris on eastern Lake Erie



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From snstaum at gmail.com  Tue Aug 28 19:32:30 2018
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 19:32:30 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] highest comfortable wind speed
In-Reply-To: <1535498097202-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1535498097202-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAOo_FjeD24tAG+z8zNhUAZKCEuxb42Ky1NuSPJmoD9Usuo6DFw@mail.gmail.com>

Chris,

I have the IMF main & sail with the pop top open & the boom in the raised
position. Due to the leverage of the main I sail with the Genoa only in
high winds. Otherwise the heeling is too much for my wife & 1st mate. I
have used the 175, 150 & 130 Genoas & prefer the 130. Even with the smaller
sail I would reef @ 25k. A luff pad is a great addition to the genny for
improved reefing.

Stephen Staum
s/v Carol Lee 2
Needham, MA

On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 7:15 PM Chris Pusateri <
christopher.pusateri at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have a question for the group: Although I do not yet have a Rhodes 22, I
> am interested in owning this boat.  What is the highest wind speed you feel
> comfortable sailing your Rhodes?  And how effective is partially unfurling
> the IMF main?  My intention is not to race, but I also don't want to be
> reluctant to go out when the winds are 25 knots.
>
> Thanks in advance for sharing your experience.
> Chris on eastern Lake Erie
>
>
>
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From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 28 20:10:51 2018
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 17:10:51 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] highest comfortable wind speed
In-Reply-To: <1535498097202-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1535498097202-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1535501451018-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Unless I?m the class wimp, i reef long before 25knots.    Leaving dock in a
heavy crosswind is a bitch alone, But probably not different then any boat
of similar size not having a deep keel (trailerable).   Sailing isn?t bad,
but I don?t show much sail and don?t like gusts hitting 30.   If you get the
captains chairs they provide a great perch with the backstay and push pit
for support while you look down at the water.    I?ve had bruises on my arm
the next day, but never felt like I would go swimming even if spending a few
hours in 20-25 knots in April.   That?s with the main furled to show one 2
and the jib at the aft lower stay or less.    If I?m fighting Lake Erie chop
my personal tolerance goes down.   55 in a squall is plain scary.   I?d
probably look at a different design if I was somewhere like San Francisco
famous for strong winds.   

Alex.   Mostly sailing in Ohio.   



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S/V Lark
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From jadoucet at snet.net  Tue Aug 28 20:20:22 2018
From: jadoucet at snet.net (joseph doucet)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 20:20:22 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] highest comfortable wind speed
In-Reply-To: <1535498097202-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1535498097202-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <9622105E-ABDD-4E5B-9873-9B958F0FFCDF@snet.net>

Ok, with high winds one can easily reduce sail with both the furling main and the furling jib.

I have sailed in winds gusting 25-30 knots with the 175 jib.  I now use a 135 jib which is much easier to tack and to sail in high winds.

On trips in high winds I would also motor sail with just a bit of sail to make ourselves visible.

Joe with a recycles ~ 2003

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 28, 2018, at 7:14 PM, Chris Pusateri <christopher.pusateri at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have a question for the group: Although I do not yet have a Rhodes 22, I
> am interested in owning this boat.  What is the highest wind speed you feel
> comfortable sailing your Rhodes?  And how effective is partially unfurling
> the IMF main?  My intention is not to race, but I also don't want to be
> reluctant to go out when the winds are 25 knots.
> 
> Thanks in advance for sharing your experience.
> Chris on eastern Lake Erie
> 
> 
> 
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From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 28 20:23:47 2018
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 17:23:47 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] highest comfortable wind speed
In-Reply-To: <1535498097202-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1535498097202-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1535502227366-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

I almost went to Conneaut this summer, but diverted to Huron Ohio since my
first first full sailing day was predicting waves up to 8 feet.    I was
much happier in 2 feet, but others spend more time on the Great Lakes.   I
trailer from a reservoir when I memorize all the trees so I get wind without
waves unless I?m on vacation.   Where are you located?   I?m always looking
for destinations to launch from.

Alex



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S/V Lark
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From watermusic38 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 28 22:32:09 2018
From: watermusic38 at yahoo.com (elle)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 02:32:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Helping Other Rhodies
References: <930721342.55053.1535509929860.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <930721342.55053.1535509929860@mail.yahoo.com>

 

    On Sunday, August 26, 2018 10:31 AM, marcelsophia via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
 

 Hi. I am new to sailing and am very interested in buying a Rhodes 22. My
husband and I have been looking for a while and have not found very many for
sale. Where is the boat located?? Do you have any photos?? What year is it? 
The Rhodes 22 seems like the perfect boat and i am very interested. Thanks
so much. Sophia



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From stan at rhodes22.com  Tue Aug 28 23:44:18 2018
From: stan at rhodes22.com (Stan Spitzer)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 23:44:18 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Cowie and GB
In-Reply-To: <CAKTnenBbJqtA25Bweq2xoEt4bb=w2CfaTFhDmGSphk10FTSRcQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <958d5de5-906b-7b74-9c07-ef7e6f98fcb2@rhodes22.com>
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Hi Luis,

A partnership contingent on a lottery ticket is the best offer I have 
had so far.

What are you currently doing?? Best we chat privately.? I can get pretty 
nosey before a proposal.

 ?stan at rhodes22.com

On 8/28/18 5:32 PM, Luis Guzman wrote:
> Stan,
>
> I woukd love to create a partnership with you. I'm willing to move there
> and learn every aspect if the business.
>
> The only problem is that I have not won the lottery yet. Though, I believe
> I'm very close to wining it. I just have to remember ti buy the dam ticket.
>
> Maybe I should try to do one of those GoFundMe campaigns to raise the funds.
>
> Luis
> S/V 1983 Aquetxali
>
>
>


From steven.w.bauman at nasa.gov  Wed Aug 29 08:17:35 2018
From: steven.w.bauman at nasa.gov (Bauman, Steven W. (GRC-LMT0))
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 12:17:35 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] highest comfortable wind speed
In-Reply-To: <1535501451018-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1535498097202-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <3F628880B2FC9541B1FB58296741CFFA2175C051@NDJSMBX104.ndc.nasa.gov>

I sail in Sandusky Bay (off Lake Erie, near Cedar Point, Ohio) and I have trouble with my genoa (I believe it is a 160) buffeting in winds as little as 15 knots.  It does not seem to matter how much of the sail I have furled, even with only a small amount of it showing, it still buffets, and that seems to cause great drag.  Can anyone suggest to me what my problem is?

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of S/V Lark
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 8:11 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] highest comfortable wind speed

Unless I?m the class wimp, i reef long before 25knots.    Leaving dock in a
heavy crosswind is a bitch alone, But probably not different then any boat
of similar size not having a deep keel (trailerable).   Sailing isn?t bad,
but I don?t show much sail and don?t like gusts hitting 30.   If you get the
captains chairs they provide a great perch with the backstay and push pit
for support while you look down at the water.    I?ve had bruises on my arm
the next day, but never felt like I would go swimming even if spending a few
hours in 20-25 knots in April.   That?s with the main furled to show one 2
and the jib at the aft lower stay or less.    If I?m fighting Lake Erie chop
my personal tolerance goes down.   55 in a squall is plain scary.   I?d
probably look at a different design if I was somewhere like San Francisco
famous for strong winds.   

Alex.   Mostly sailing in Ohio.   



-----
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S/V Lark
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From watermusic38 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 29 09:58:46 2018
From: watermusic38 at yahoo.com (elle)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 13:58:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 08-02 thru 08
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiXW92pLFVfr-CYg9So+RbFy72v73VygY-OTuSuedThVoQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiXW92pLFVfr-CYg9So+RbFy72v73VygY-OTuSuedThVoQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65452507.304067.1535551126757@mail.yahoo.com>

Loved it, Chris! Keep 'em coming! I so want to go back to Cinque Terra...this makes it happen!

elle 

    On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 7:23 AM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
 

 So here are a few more days in northern Italy..? You may find some things
interesting.? Link:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1SSyOSvF6x0fCv3YtnumzZ_FhB_d2Cv0m


Enjoy
Chris & Alice Geankoplis
SV Enosis
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Wed Aug 29 14:05:07 2018
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 20:05:07 +0200
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 08-02 thru 08
In-Reply-To: <65452507.304067.1535551126757@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CADNTwiXW92pLFVfr-CYg9So+RbFy72v73VygY-OTuSuedThVoQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <65452507.304067.1535551126757@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <94F0E9BF-CB3F-40C1-B300-D5A4DC08B5DD@gmail.com>

Oh by all means. With your eye and camera you could capture all the beauty and character. 
Chris G

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 29, 2018, at 3:58 PM, elle via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> Loved it, Chris! Keep 'em coming! I so want to go back to Cinque Terra...this makes it happen!
> 
> elle 
> 
>    On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 7:23 AM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> So here are a few more days in northern Italy..  You may find some things
> interesting.  Link:
> 
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1SSyOSvF6x0fCv3YtnumzZ_FhB_d2Cv0m
> 
> 
> Enjoy
> Chris & Alice Geankoplis
> SV Enosis
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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Wed Aug 29 14:23:57 2018
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 14:23:57 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] highest comfortable wind speed
In-Reply-To: <1535502227366-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1535498097202-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1535502227366-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CABkv36YRK18yCcKPK0BTOa0q=Hk+GRprmFP1YDXivv6x7qbW=w@mail.gmail.com>

Alex,

Sail off Cleveland.  Launch at Edgewater Marina or Gordon Park.  If it is
too rough on the open lake, sail 5 miles behind the breakwall.

Regards,

Rick

From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Wed Aug 29 14:25:12 2018
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 14:25:12 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] highest comfortable wind speed
In-Reply-To: <3F628880B2FC9541B1FB58296741CFFA2175C051@NDJSMBX104.ndc.nasa.gov>
References: <1535498097202-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1535501451018-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <3F628880B2FC9541B1FB58296741CFFA2175C051@NDJSMBX104.ndc.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <CABkv36Yz6Z-OqVcAbSeXR9316cJ_NqqRNh=3RdnshxNWSwMKqA@mail.gmail.com>

Steve,

I think you need to sail broader.

Regards,

Rick

From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 29 21:26:44 2018
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 18:26:44 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] highest comfortable wind speed
In-Reply-To: <CABkv36YRK18yCcKPK0BTOa0q=Hk+GRprmFP1YDXivv6x7qbW=w@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1535592404473-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Steve.    

I think the problem is a reefed jib sheeted wide on the tracks while the
main is sheeted closer to centerline with the traveler.    When it?s reefed
you just can?t pull it tight enough to compliment the main.    Moving the
block on the tracks forward helps, and is easy to adjust alone under most
conditions.    Rerouting the sheet inside the shrouds and to the cabin is
tough for me to do alone in heavy wind and I only try it if I expect to hold
a beat for a long time and the wind isn?t likely to change.   In other
words, it doesn?t happen often on my boat.   If Tamiko is with me she would
rather relax then fuss with lines, so I still don?t do it.    I think it
depends on the kind of sailing you do,   If you are making miles then you do
what needs to be done.   Most of my sailing is about the journey, not the
destination.   Most reservoir sailors I see are happy to reach back and
forth, I sail the lake but don?t care if it takes me a couple more tacks to
get there.    I will pull out a tad more jib, even though the boat labors
and the rail gets wet, in order to clear a point of land without the
buffeting you describe - if I can work around the increased leeway.   

Most of my sailing has a lot of land affect, shifts and gusts, but not much
wave.   I also suffer from too much self training, so others may have a
better approach.

Alex



-----
Alex Cole
S/V Lark
--
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From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 29 21:30:16 2018
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 18:30:16 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] highest comfortable wind speed
In-Reply-To: <CABkv36YRK18yCcKPK0BTOa0q=Hk+GRprmFP1YDXivv6x7qbW=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1535498097202-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <1535592616166-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

I?ve been a wimp about Cleveland downtown traffic.   Do they allow long term
parking? 

Alex



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S/V Lark
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From luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com  Wed Aug 29 22:17:16 2018
From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com (Luis Guzman)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 22:17:16 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Cowie and GB
In-Reply-To: <c2e9b3a5-f11c-e144-9c73-3a7846d02bdf@rhodes22.com>
References: <958d5de5-906b-7b74-9c07-ef7e6f98fcb2@rhodes22.com>
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Message-ID: <CAKTnenBbbE23p1ysrpyeZ=DSZvNQON=0Ssum03tSL7o_faFL_A@mail.gmail.com>

Stan,

I'm an engineer in electronics and software, and an amateur sailor.

I have only had Rhodes sailboats  A 1970 something, which I recovered in
2003, and now a 1983 which I have had for 10 years now.

Though I have had some experience with J boats, and I have crewed on all
makes if sailboats.

I was in Edenton in 2004, and got some parts from you for the 1970
something Rhodes. It was a pleasure meeting you and getting to see the
plant.

Anyway, you will be the first one to know when I win the lottery. I'll be
knocking on your doir right after I collect.

Regards,

Luis
S/V Aquetxali







On Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 11:44 PM Stan Spitzer <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:

>
> Hi Luis,
>
> A partnership contingent on a lottery ticket is the best offer I have
> had so far.
>
> What are you currently doing?  Best we chat privately.  I can get pretty
> nosey before a proposal.
>
>   stan at rhodes22.com
>
> On 8/28/18 5:32 PM, Luis Guzman wrote:
> > Stan,
> >
> > I woukd love to create a partnership with you. I'm willing to move there
> > and learn every aspect if the business.
> >
> > The only problem is that I have not won the lottery yet. Though, I
> believe
> > I'm very close to wining it. I just have to remember ti buy the dam
> ticket.
> >
> > Maybe I should try to do one of those GoFundMe campaigns to raise the
> funds.
> >
> > Luis
> > S/V 1983 Aquetxali
> >
> >
> >
>
> __________________________________________________
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From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 29 22:36:46 2018
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 19:36:46 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Cowie and GB
In-Reply-To: <CAKTnenBbbE23p1ysrpyeZ=DSZvNQON=0Ssum03tSL7o_faFL_A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <958d5de5-906b-7b74-9c07-ef7e6f98fcb2@rhodes22.com>
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Message-ID: <1535596606247-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

A smart plan.   Everybody knows the easiest way to get a small fortune in the
sailboat industry is to start with a large fortune.   Ask Stan?s former
competitors.   

Alex



-----
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S/V Lark
--
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From a_czerwonky at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 29 22:41:06 2018
From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 02:41:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Cowie and GB
In-Reply-To: <c2e9b3a5-f11c-e144-9c73-3a7846d02bdf@rhodes22.com>
References: <958d5de5-906b-7b74-9c07-ef7e6f98fcb2@rhodes22.com>
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Message-ID: <1801669234.674865.1535596866987@mail.yahoo.com>

Fellow skippers,
At some unknown point, probably better sooner than later based on a future for our Rhodes 22, some tangibles will add reality to the question of a potential partnership between Stan and other 'partners' for the future of GB and the R22.? Our fleet might prefer it named the Stan 22 or the Spitzer 22 - no humor or disrespect intended, just the realization of the aura he enjoys among many of our fleet members. A reality check would recognize that this may be of limited market value to 'outsiders' in a very competitive sailboat environment. Remember the. 80's!? This is one key ingredient (strength in future sales volume) in valuation.? What is a realistic value here - your decision.??
Second value - what would a realistic appraisal of hard assets reveal.? Include land, structures, machining, molds, etc. Decide what min/max could be under worst and best economics.
Third value - what would be the value of managing a partnership with Stan or would outright ownership be a better outcome.? I would suggest a 50% partner with any seasoned veteran would be a minor partner throughout such an arrangement.? Is this your wish and goal?
I shared the first two of these value judgements with Stan during our first dinner at Family Corral in 2006, when he recognized that we would have a 'strategic partnership' on my newly approved boom room. The third value was obviously avoided in our conversational.? I learned very quickly about this, however.? I want transformed from a mensch to an adversary within two years.
This post will no doubt be a twist of spice for Stan to churn, but experience speaks louder that words could ever.? When a partnership is in the offing, it will ultimately fail in the absence of a true and equal stake for each partner.
I believe a practical solution which would not apply in this case is a legitimate written buy/sell agreement with? 'first to die' insurance in place. I am neither an attorney or insurance agent, but I suspect they would. agree with this opinion.
I hope this makes sense to my fellow skippers.??
Best regards, always, and a belated Happy Birthday to Stan.
Art Czerwonkys/v MaryJane
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 11:44 PM, Stan Spitzer<stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:   
Hi Luis,

A partnership contingent on a lottery ticket is the best offer I have 
had so far.

What are you currently doing?? Best we chat privately.? I can get pretty 
nosey before a proposal.

 ?stan at rhodes22.com

On 8/28/18 5:32 PM, Luis Guzman wrote:
> Stan,
>
> I woukd love to create a partnership with you. I'm willing to move there
> and learn every aspect if the business.
>
> The only problem is that I have not won the lottery yet. Though, I believe
> I'm very close to wining it. I just have to remember ti buy the dam ticket.
>
> Maybe I should try to do one of those GoFundMe campaigns to raise the funds.
>
> Luis
> S/V 1983 Aquetxali
>
>
>

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From steven.w.bauman at nasa.gov  Thu Aug 30 09:49:02 2018
From: steven.w.bauman at nasa.gov (Bauman, Steven W. (GRC-LMT0))
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 13:49:02 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] highest comfortable wind speed
In-Reply-To: <1535592404473-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1535498097202-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <3F628880B2FC9541B1FB58296741CFFA2175C4A8@NDJSMBX104.ndc.nasa.gov>

Alex, 

Thanks for the advice.  I started sailing with genoa reefed because it seemed to reduce the buffeting problem, or at least the size of the portion of sail that was buffeting.  Another possible clue to my problem is that I never seem to get a good tight wrap of the Genoa onto the roller luff. It is nowhere near as tight as I see on other boats.   This looseness in the center portion of the sail seems to contribute to the problem.  I wonder 2 things: Whether I need to tighten my backstays, and therefore the forestay, and/or whether I need to buy a smaller, newer genoa.  And if I do want to buy a new sail, what size should I get and where would I go to buy that?  Thanks.

(Also, no idea about the DT Cleveland parking situation.)

Steve.



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of S/V Lark
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 9:27 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] highest comfortable wind speed

Steve.    

I think the problem is a reefed jib sheeted wide on the tracks while the
main is sheeted closer to centerline with the traveler.    When it?s reefed
you just can?t pull it tight enough to compliment the main.    Moving the
block on the tracks forward helps, and is easy to adjust alone under most
conditions.    Rerouting the sheet inside the shrouds and to the cabin is
tough for me to do alone in heavy wind and I only try it if I expect to hold
a beat for a long time and the wind isn?t likely to change.   In other
words, it doesn?t happen often on my boat.   If Tamiko is with me she would
rather relax then fuss with lines, so I still don?t do it.    I think it
depends on the kind of sailing you do,   If you are making miles then you do
what needs to be done.   Most of my sailing is about the journey, not the
destination.   Most reservoir sailors I see are happy to reach back and
forth, I sail the lake but don?t care if it takes me a couple more tacks to
get there.    I will pull out a tad more jib, even though the boat labors
and the rail gets wet, in order to clear a point of land without the
buffeting you describe - if I can work around the increased leeway.   

Most of my sailing has a lot of land affect, shifts and gusts, but not much
wave.   I also suffer from too much self training, so others may have a
better approach.

Alex



-----
Alex Cole
S/V Lark
--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Thu Aug 30 12:21:35 2018
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 18:21:35 +0200
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 08-09 thru 12, Rhodes in the Med
Message-ID: <CADNTwiXxQ9qOZ4MutHYc_q1oTB8EFZ3_=ERdidb4TZA_b5vH+A@mail.gmail.com>

A few more days in beautiful Italia

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1hunyc-0M_3JlVSUoVrTBgw76OyXdqPNd


Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 30 13:42:23 2018
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 10:42:23 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] highest comfortable wind speed
In-Reply-To: <3F628880B2FC9541B1FB58296741CFFA2175C4A8@NDJSMBX104.ndc.nasa.gov>
References: <1535498097202-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <1535650943381-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Steve

Give Stan a Crack at the sail before you email Doyle.   He's been good to
me.   Are you sure about your stay lengths?  Could your forestay be a
fraction too long or the turnbuckle misadjusted under the furlur cap (if
CDI?)  so even tensioning the backstay isn't sufficient?    

Da List:   If Steve has a forestay tension / length issue, how could he
tell?  If he stuck a level on the mast in a dead calm (or has a spinnaker
halyard to dangle a plumb-bob from) what should the rake be?  Mine came
freshly rigged by Stan's yard, but I have never actually tried to measure
it.   

Alex



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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Thu Aug 30 13:51:50 2018
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 13:51:50 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] highest comfortable wind speed
In-Reply-To: <1535592616166-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1535498097202-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <CABkv36amsdA0-waLkHguvisooeM2UgYRpFcR-tocLNr3qTyTVQ@mail.gmail.com>

There's no need to go downtown to launch at either end of the break wall.\

Regards,

Rick


On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 9:30 PM S/V Lark <Colealexander at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I?ve been a wimp about Cleveland downtown traffic.   Do they allow long
> term
> parking?
>
> Alex
>
>
>
> -----
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> S/V Lark
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From mark.osterbrock at gmail.com  Thu Aug 30 21:20:58 2018
From: mark.osterbrock at gmail.com (Mark Osterbrock)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 21:20:58 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] highest comfortable wind speed
In-Reply-To: <3F628880B2FC9541B1FB58296741CFFA2175C4A8@NDJSMBX104.ndc.nasa.gov>
References: <1535498097202-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <CANg769UVDUqTcObLfwEjGMXjn27sXGbHVJQjr85DwJgLzk42UQ@mail.gmail.com>

Steve,
The more you reef your genoa the farther forward you must move your genoa
leads. Moving the leads forward will make the sheet pull down on the clew
and the leech. This will reduce the twist at the top and pull the top of
the leech closer to the main so it will stop luffing at the top.
Whether you reef your genoa or not, if your leads are too far aft they
won't pull down on the leech, it will open up, move away from the main and
luff while the bottom of the genoa is full.
Hope this helps,
Mark

On Aug 30, 2018 9:49 AM, "Bauman, Steven W. (GRC-LMT0)" <
steven.w.bauman at nasa.gov> wrote:

> Alex,
>
> Thanks for the advice.  I started sailing with genoa reefed because it
> seemed to reduce the buffeting problem, or at least the size of the portion
> of sail that was buffeting.  Another possible clue to my problem is that I
> never seem to get a good tight wrap of the Genoa onto the roller luff. It
> is nowhere near as tight as I see on other boats.   This looseness in the
> center portion of the sail seems to contribute to the problem.  I wonder 2
> things: Whether I need to tighten my backstays, and therefore the forestay,
> and/or whether I need to buy a smaller, newer genoa.  And if I do want to
> buy a new sail, what size should I get and where would I go to buy that?
> Thanks.
>
> (Also, no idea about the DT Cleveland parking situation.)
>
> Steve.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of S/V Lark
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 9:27 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] highest comfortable wind speed
>
> Steve.
>
> I think the problem is a reefed jib sheeted wide on the tracks while the
> main is sheeted closer to centerline with the traveler.    When it?s reefed
> you just can?t pull it tight enough to compliment the main.    Moving the
> block on the tracks forward helps, and is easy to adjust alone under most
> conditions.    Rerouting the sheet inside the shrouds and to the cabin is
> tough for me to do alone in heavy wind and I only try it if I expect to
> hold
> a beat for a long time and the wind isn?t likely to change.   In other
> words, it doesn?t happen often on my boat.   If Tamiko is with me she would
> rather relax then fuss with lines, so I still don?t do it.    I think it
> depends on the kind of sailing you do,   If you are making miles then you
> do
> what needs to be done.   Most of my sailing is about the journey, not the
> destination.   Most reservoir sailors I see are happy to reach back and
> forth, I sail the lake but don?t care if it takes me a couple more tacks to
> get there.    I will pull out a tad more jib, even though the boat labors
> and the rail gets wet, in order to clear a point of land without the
> buffeting you describe - if I can work around the increased leeway.
>
> Most of my sailing has a lot of land affect, shifts and gusts, but not much
> wave.   I also suffer from too much self training, so others may have a
> better approach.
>
> Alex
>
>
>
> -----
> Alex Cole
> S/V Lark
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Fri Aug 31 12:43:35 2018
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 18:43:35 +0200
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 07-25,26,27,28 Rhodes in the Med
In-Reply-To: <000c01d429be$a2c3e820$e84bb860$@com>
References: <CADNTwiVeLkvwuVvYN5U893vbMBpO_0Zwu50xc0H95VzDcC9xBQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <01c501d428fc$5476f9e0$fd64eda0$@verizon.net>
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 <000c01d429be$a2c3e820$e84bb860$@com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiV_dAJx1ND-T-_zudgXRAh5p6GF+o7YTB5ZnUbM9p4-vw@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Mike,
             Wanted to let you know your note helped me decide to meet my
sister in Cinque Terre and not in Rome as originally planned.  Thanks it
really was worth the back track!

Chris G.

On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 7:39 PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> Chris,
>
> Le Grazie near La Spezia? Near Cinque Terre?  Beautiful harbor!  You should
> stay and explore the coastline to Monterosso al Mare.  There is a train
> from
> La Spezia to Monterosso which stops at each of the five towns.  Great
> hiking
> and countryside.  Been there, no T-shirt.  Food is the best!  Enjoy!
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass  ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of
> Chris
> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2018 1:10 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 07-25,26,27,28 Rhodes in the Med
>
> So glad you enjoy them. Arrived in small town of Grazie near la Spezia
> after
> a calm sea crossing of 75 miles.
> Chris G
> ENOSIS
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 31, 2018, at 8:28 PM, <scranevmd at verizon.net>
> <scranevmd at verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > I just wanted to add my thanks for your postings.  They are wonderful and
> I
> > am living vicariously reading them.  Keep safe and keep posting!
> >
> > Susan Crane
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Chris
> > Geankoplis
> > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 11:19 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 07-25,26,27,28 Rhodes in the Med
> >
> > So, here is the last installment for France.  Enjoy.  Oh, I'll try to put
> > some more technical info in the next report.  I don't think I really gave
> a
> > good picture of the sailing aspects and route planning the is half the
> fun.
> > Also I'll try to show how we get 10 pounds of crap in a 5 pound boat.
> >
> > Chris G
> > Enosis
> >
> > Link:
> >
> >
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ufic4XPGuM8hxBwUrwk-dLIjO9dH6TpY/view?usp=s
> > haring
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Fri Aug 31 13:56:36 2018
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 13:56:36 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 07-25,26,27,28 Rhodes in the Med
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Chris & Alice,

Glad that you liked Cinque Terre!  We loved it!  I wish that we could return
on a R22.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass  ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Chris Geankoplis
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 12:44 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 07-25,26,27,28 Rhodes in the Med

Hey Mike,
             Wanted to let you know your note helped me decide to meet my
sister in Cinque Terre and not in Rome as originally planned.  Thanks it
really was worth the back track!

Chris G.

On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 7:39 PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> Chris,
>
> Le Grazie near La Spezia? Near Cinque Terre?  Beautiful harbor!  You
should
> stay and explore the coastline to Monterosso al Mare.  There is a train
> from
> La Spezia to Monterosso which stops at each of the five towns.  Great
> hiking
> and countryside.  Been there, no T-shirt.  Food is the best!  Enjoy!
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass  ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of
> Chris
> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2018 1:10 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 07-25,26,27,28 Rhodes in the Med
>
> So glad you enjoy them. Arrived in small town of Grazie near la Spezia
> after
> a calm sea crossing of 75 miles.
> Chris G
> ENOSIS
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 31, 2018, at 8:28 PM, <scranevmd at verizon.net>
> <scranevmd at verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > I just wanted to add my thanks for your postings.  They are wonderful
and
> I
> > am living vicariously reading them.  Keep safe and keep posting!
> >
> > Susan Crane
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Chris
> > Geankoplis
> > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 11:19 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 07-25,26,27,28 Rhodes in the Med
> >
> > So, here is the last installment for France.  Enjoy.  Oh, I'll try to
put
> > some more technical info in the next report.  I don't think I really
gave
> a
> > good picture of the sailing aspects and route planning the is half the
> fun.
> > Also I'll try to show how we get 10 pounds of crap in a 5 pound boat.
> >
> > Chris G
> > Enosis
> >
> > Link:
> >
> >
>
>
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ufic4XPGuM8hxBwUrwk-dLIjO9dH6TpY/view?usp=s
> > haring
> > __________________________________________________
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go
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Fri Aug 31 15:38:16 2018
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 21:38:16 +0200
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 07-25,26,27,28 Rhodes in the Med
In-Reply-To: <007501d44153$f6e104e0$e4a30ea0$@com>
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Some day!  Not bringing Enosis home so............

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 31, 2018, at 7:56 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> Chris & Alice,
> 
> Glad that you liked Cinque Terre!  We loved it!  I wish that we could return
> on a R22.
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass  ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> Chris Geankoplis
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 12:44 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 07-25,26,27,28 Rhodes in the Med
> 
> Hey Mike,
>             Wanted to let you know your note helped me decide to meet my
> sister in Cinque Terre and not in Rome as originally planned.  Thanks it
> really was worth the back track!
> 
> Chris G.
> 
> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 7:39 PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Chris,
>> 
>> Le Grazie near La Spezia? Near Cinque Terre?  Beautiful harbor!  You
> should
>> stay and explore the coastline to Monterosso al Mare.  There is a train
>> from
>> La Spezia to Monterosso which stops at each of the five towns.  Great
>> hiking
>> and countryside.  Been there, no T-shirt.  Food is the best!  Enjoy!
>> 
>> Mike
>> s/v Wind Lass  ('91)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
>> Of
>> Chris
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2018 1:10 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 07-25,26,27,28 Rhodes in the Med
>> 
>> So glad you enjoy them. Arrived in small town of Grazie near la Spezia
>> after
>> a calm sea crossing of 75 miles.
>> Chris G
>> ENOSIS
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 31, 2018, at 8:28 PM, <scranevmd at verizon.net>
>> <scranevmd at verizon.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just wanted to add my thanks for your postings.  They are wonderful
> and
>> I
>>> am living vicariously reading them.  Keep safe and keep posting!
>>> 
>>> Susan Crane
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> Chris
>>> Geankoplis
>>> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 11:19 AM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 07-25,26,27,28 Rhodes in the Med
>>> 
>>> So, here is the last installment for France.  Enjoy.  Oh, I'll try to
> put
>>> some more technical info in the next report.  I don't think I really
> gave
>> a
>>> good picture of the sailing aspects and route planning the is half the
>> fun.
>>> Also I'll try to show how we get 10 pounds of crap in a 5 pound boat.
>>> 
>>> Chris G
>>> Enosis
>>> 
>>> Link:
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ufic4XPGuM8hxBwUrwk-dLIjO9dH6TpY/view?usp=s
>>> haring
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
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>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go
>> to
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>>> 
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From watermusic38 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 31 18:31:19 2018
From: watermusic38 at yahoo.com (elle)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 22:31:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 07-25,26,27,28 Rhodes in the Med
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiVeLkvwuVvYN5U893vbMBpO_0Zwu50xc0H95VzDcC9xBQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiVeLkvwuVvYN5U893vbMBpO_0Zwu50xc0H95VzDcC9xBQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <979089812.1958155.1535754679676@mail.yahoo.com>

Chris, your essays have now appeared. go figure...;^)
I have not read ahead..just read the France one...so my guess for the mystery structure is an?amphitheater ...boats can anchor & the performers will perform. Everyone arrives via sea.?That's my story & i'm sticking to it.
elle
 

    On Monday, July 30, 2018 11:19 AM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
 

 So, here is the last installment for France.? Enjoy.? Oh, I'll try to put
some more technical info in the next report.? I don't think I really gave a
good picture of the sailing aspects and route planning the is half the
fun.? Also I'll try to show how we get 10 pounds of crap in a 5 pound boat.

Chris G
Enosis

Link:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ufic4XPGuM8hxBwUrwk-dLIjO9dH6TpY/view?usp=sharing
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From watermusic38 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 31 18:37:53 2018
From: watermusic38 at yahoo.com (elle)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 22:37:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 07-25,26,27,28 Rhodes in the Med
In-Reply-To: <B1FD00BF-A0A3-4E89-86FC-39B572AE95AA@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <180881388.1938746.1535755073158@mail.yahoo.com>

Chris, have you posted Cinque?Terre yet? I loved visiting there & want to revisit...vicariously!

elle 

    On Friday, August 31, 2018 3:38 PM, Chris <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
 

 Some day!? Not bringing Enosis home so............

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 31, 2018, at 7:56 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> Chris & Alice,
> 
> Glad that you liked Cinque Terre!? We loved it!? I wish that we could return
> on a R22.
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass? ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> Chris Geankoplis
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 12:44 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 07-25,26,27,28 Rhodes in the Med
> 
> Hey Mike,
>? ? ? ? ? ? Wanted to let you know your note helped me decide to meet my
> sister in Cinque Terre and not in Rome as originally planned.? Thanks it
> really was worth the back track!
> 
> Chris G.
> 
> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 7:39 PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Chris,
>> 
>> Le Grazie near La Spezia? Near Cinque Terre?? Beautiful harbor!? You
> should
>> stay and explore the coastline to Monterosso al Mare.? There is a train
>> from
>> La Spezia to Monterosso which stops at each of the five towns.? Great
>> hiking
>> and countryside.? Been there, no T-shirt.? Food is the best!? Enjoy!
>> 
>> Mike
>> s/v Wind Lass? ('91)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
>> Of
>> Chris
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2018 1:10 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 07-25,26,27,28 Rhodes in the Med
>> 
>> So glad you enjoy them. Arrived in small town of Grazie near la Spezia
>> after
>> a calm sea crossing of 75 miles.
>> Chris G
>> ENOSIS
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 31, 2018, at 8:28 PM, <scranevmd at verizon.net>
>> <scranevmd at verizon.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just wanted to add my thanks for your postings.? They are wonderful
> and
>> I
>>> am living vicariously reading them.? Keep safe and keep posting!
>>> 
>>> Susan Crane
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> Chris
>>> Geankoplis
>>> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 11:19 AM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 07-25,26,27,28 Rhodes in the Med
>>> 
>>> So, here is the last installment for France.? Enjoy.? Oh, I'll try to
> put
>>> some more technical info in the next report.? I don't think I really
> gave
>> a
>>> good picture of the sailing aspects and route planning the is half the
>> fun.
>>> Also I'll try to show how we get 10 pounds of crap in a 5 pound boat.
>>> 
>>> Chris G
>>> Enosis
>>> 
>>> Link:
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ufic4XPGuM8hxBwUrwk-dLIjO9dH6TpY/view?usp=s
>>> haring
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>> 
>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go
>> to
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