From C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu Tue Dec 11 15:36:09 2018 From: C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu (C. Robert Lester) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 20:36:09 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 In-Reply-To: References: <009b01d284af$8a3666d0$9ea33470$@ebsmed.com> <000301d284df$a48d68f0$eda83ad0$@ca> <007901d28a69$994e4b50$cbeae1f0$@ca> Message-ID: ...indeed it does affect handling. Especially if you set a tiller-tamer on a Stbd Tack, as it wants to "come off the wind" constantly. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 10:29 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Bob, That is the oddest thing. Don't think we've seen one like this before. I can't imagine a fix for this. Does it affect handling enough to require a replacement? - rob Oh, and I don't know about pulling with snow on the ground. I try to get out while it's still in the 50's! -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of C. Robert Lester Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 8:35 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Greetings all & Happy Holiday's. We just pulled the boat off Lake Sunapee in NH (11/24/18) as I guess the 2018 season is over. While I had the chance I took better pics of our "Curved Rudder" issue. The first pics were not very telling of the issue as these are. I ask if there is knowledge on a repair for this issue or is a replacement in our future? Thank you in advance, Bob '84 Orion -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 10:12 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Bob, Almost looks like the rudder blade has twisted or warped?? Kind of hard to tell. Not sure anyone has reported this as an issue before. What material is the rudder blade made of? - rob Rob Lowe -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Graham Stewart Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 11:35 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Thanks for the pictures Bob. I can't be sure I can see the curve but it looks to me like there might be a bend at the join between the rudder and the head. That might be possible. I just don't know how the rudder itself could bend without breaking. That doesn't mean it can't happen. Graham -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of C. Robert Lester Sent: February 18, 2017 9:11 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Graham, Good point about the swollen side as you experienced. However, you can see by both pics here it is a different case. Pic #2 that has the rudder laying down and it shows the best example of the curve. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Graham Stewart Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 10:25 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Bob: Can you post a picture of the rudder? I wonder if the rudder is curved or instead has "swollen" on one side due to water migration into the core - especially if the rudder has been exposed to freezing. When I rebuilt my rudder I found that there were large voids in it and undertook to fill them with epoxy. Removing any paint might show cracks and if so see if there is a pattern that shows the effect of internal pressure. Just a guess. Graham Stewart Agile. R22, 1976 Kingston Ontario Canada -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael Weisner Sent: February 11, 2017 4:41 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 As the list admin, I received this "bounced" email this morning. I am not sure why it wound up in my inbox but it appears to have been sent to the list but did not reach the intended destination. I am therefore forwarding it to the list. Note to Bob: If you figure out why your post did not reach the proper destination, please let me know. I hope that this helps to find a solution to your problem. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY From: C. Robert Lester [mailto:C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu] Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 11:06 AM To: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org Subject: Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 I have an 84 Rhodes 22, that came with a "slightly-curved" rudder? As you can imagine, when under power this applies a slight port steer. As interested as I am in what would have caused this slight curve to the rudder, I am more interested in repairing/replacing this issue. Thanks in advance for your thoughts / suggestions. 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Robert Lester) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 21:19:40 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 In-Reply-To: References: <009b01d284af$8a3666d0$9ea33470$@ebsmed.com> <000301d284df$a48d68f0$eda83ad0$@ca> <007901d28a69$994e4b50$cbeae1f0$@ca> , <008301d485ca$c893bb80$59bb3280$@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: Roger, Good question! Answer: I purchased the boat in 2012, with the rudder as you see it. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 6:41 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Graham/Bob, > ?In the beginning? ... The centerboard and the rudder blade we?re the same identical foil. It was a very hydrodynamically efficient high aspect ratio foil. At some point in the 1980?s (?) Stan changed the designs of the centerboard and rudder blade. So, if you have a 1976 boat, your rudder blade is going to be thinner vs a newer boat. Stan claims the new rudder and centerboard offer better performance vs the older parts. But, that claim flies in the face of hydrofoil theory, so I?m a little sceptical. I?d love to see an old vs new boat match race. Bob, I may have misunderstood something. Did your boat come with a bent rudder blade or did you notice the bend recently after the boat was sitting on the trailer. In the picture, it looks like the boat has sunk into the ground loading up the rudder blade. Roger Pihlaja SV Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 26, 2018, at 3:58 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: > > Bob: > Your rudder looks to me to be much thinner than mine. There also > appears to be a lot of space around the rudder in the rudder holder - > whatever you call the upper part that holds the rudder. I am wondering > if this an original rudder or a replacement. Is that possible? > Graham > > Graham Stewart > Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 > Kingston Ontario > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of C. > Robert Lester > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 8:35 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 > > Greetings all & Happy Holiday's. > We just pulled the boat off Lake Sunapee in NH (11/24/18) as I guess > the > 2018 season is over. While I had the chance I took better pics of our > "Curved Rudder" issue. The first pics were not very telling of the > issue as these are. > I ask if there is knowledge on a repair for this issue or is a > replacement in our future? > Thank you in advance, > Bob '84 Orion > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Lowe, Rob > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 10:12 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 > > Bob, > Almost looks like the rudder blade has twisted or warped?? Kind of > hard to tell. Not sure anyone has reported this as an issue before. > What material is the rudder blade made of? - rob > > Rob Lowe > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Graham Stewart > Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 11:35 PM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 > > Thanks for the pictures Bob. I can't be sure I can see the curve but > it looks to me like there might be a bend at the join between the > rudder and the head. That might be possible. I just don't know how the > rudder itself could bend without breaking. That doesn't mean it can't happen. > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of C. Robert Lester > Sent: February 18, 2017 9:11 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 > > Graham, > Good point about the swollen side as you experienced. However, you can > see by both pics here it is a different case. Pic #2 that has the > rudder laying down and it shows the best example of the curve. > Bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Graham Stewart > Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 10:25 PM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 > > Bob: > > Can you post a picture of the rudder? > I wonder if the rudder is curved or instead has "swollen" on one side > due to water migration into the core - especially if the rudder has > been exposed to freezing. When I rebuilt my rudder I found that there > were large voids in it and undertook to fill them with epoxy. Removing > any paint might show cracks and if so see if there is a pattern that > shows the effect of internal pressure. Just a guess. > > Graham Stewart > Agile. R22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario Canada > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Michael Weisner > Sent: February 11, 2017 4:41 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 > > As the list admin, I received this "bounced" email this morning. I am > not sure why it wound up in my inbox but it appears to have been sent > to the list but did not reach the intended destination. I am > therefore forwarding it to the list. Note to Bob: If you figure out > why your post did not reach the proper destination, please let me > know. I hope that this helps to find a solution to your problem. > > > > Mike > > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > > Nissequogue River, NY > > > > > > > > From: C. Robert Lester [mailto:C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu] > Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 11:06 AM > To: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org > Subject: Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 > > > > I have an 84 Rhodes 22, that came with a "slightly-curved" rudder? As > you can imagine, when under power this applies a slight port steer. As > interested as I am in what would have caused this slight curve to the > rudder, I am more interested in repairing/replacing this issue. > > > > Thanks in advance for your thoughts / suggestions. > > > > Bob > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rh > odes22.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Frhodes22-list&data=02%7C01%7Cc.r > obert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7C47482ec02e4e4996248408d653f8a8a2%7C995b > 093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C0%7C636788724884504618&sdata=Te > 8KFJQu2jcnYNbdlTc9UwStXQdj82wY1tKFVxljjY4%3D&reserved=0 > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rh > odes22.org%2Flist&data=02%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7 > C47482ec02e4e4996248408d653f8a8a2%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7 > 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Robert Lester) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 21:58:08 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 In-Reply-To: References: <009b01d284af$8a3666d0$9ea33470$@ebsmed.com> <000301d284df$a48d68f0$eda83ad0$@ca> <007901d28a69$994e4b50$cbeae1f0$@ca> , Message-ID: Roger - Thank you & please know that the rudder is removed & stored separately from the boat in the winter time. Your information is very helpful as I'm unsure how the rudder was stored prior to my purchase in 2012. I feel a small, core sample will be had this winter on the rudder. Stay tuned. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 12:03 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Bob, I just took some rough measurements of the curvature of your rudder from the attached picture. It is deflecting ~1.5% in compression buckling mode. The rudder blade is made from glass fiber reinforced polyester (FRP) with some internal ballast. Typical FRP composites have an ultimate elongation of from 2-7%, with the failure point tending towards the low end as the temperature drops because the plastic resin passes thru its glass transition temperature and becomes brittle. I would NOT leave the rudder loaded like that all winter. You have another issue in that the compression on the rudder is loading up the rudder's gudgeons and pintles and the boat's transom in a manner they were never designed to handle. By spring, you may very well have hull damage on the transom. I would find some way to get that rudder unloaded ASAP! If you unload it soon, you should see the rudder blade straighten out. At your next opportunity, strip the bottom paint off the rudder and carefully inspect it. You are looking for tiny transverse cracks (i.e. running from side to side vs. the length of the rudder blade), especially on the port side where the surface was in tension due to the buckling. If you see these cracks, you might consider prepping the surface and applying a couple of coats of WEST System epoxy to both sides of the rudder blade. Let me know how it turns out for you or if you have any other questions. Roger Pihlaja SV Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Lowe, Rob Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 10:28:34 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Bob, That is the oddest thing. Don't think we've seen one like this before. I can't imagine a fix for this. Does it affect handling enough to require a replacement? - rob Oh, and I don't know about pulling with snow on the ground. I try to get out while it's still in the 50's! -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of C. Robert Lester Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 8:35 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Greetings all & Happy Holiday's. We just pulled the boat off Lake Sunapee in NH (11/24/18) as I guess the 2018 season is over. While I had the chance I took better pics of our "Curved Rudder" issue. The first pics were not very telling of the issue as these are. I ask if there is knowledge on a repair for this issue or is a replacement in our future? Thank you in advance, Bob '84 Orion -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 10:12 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Bob, Almost looks like the rudder blade has twisted or warped?? Kind of hard to tell. Not sure anyone has reported this as an issue before. What material is the rudder blade made of? - rob Rob Lowe -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Graham Stewart Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 11:35 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Thanks for the pictures Bob. I can't be sure I can see the curve but it looks to me like there might be a bend at the join between the rudder and the head. That might be possible. I just don't know how the rudder itself could bend without breaking. That doesn't mean it can't happen. Graham -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of C. Robert Lester Sent: February 18, 2017 9:11 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Graham, Good point about the swollen side as you experienced. However, you can see by both pics here it is a different case. Pic #2 that has the rudder laying down and it shows the best example of the curve. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Graham Stewart Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 10:25 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Bob: Can you post a picture of the rudder? I wonder if the rudder is curved or instead has "swollen" on one side due to water migration into the core - especially if the rudder has been exposed to freezing. When I rebuilt my rudder I found that there were large voids in it and undertook to fill them with epoxy. Removing any paint might show cracks and if so see if there is a pattern that shows the effect of internal pressure. Just a guess. Graham Stewart Agile. R22, 1976 Kingston Ontario Canada -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael Weisner Sent: February 11, 2017 4:41 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 As the list admin, I received this "bounced" email this morning. I am not sure why it wound up in my inbox but it appears to have been sent to the list but did not reach the intended destination. I am therefore forwarding it to the list. Note to Bob: If you figure out why your post did not reach the proper destination, please let me know. I hope that this helps to find a solution to your problem. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY From: C. Robert Lester [mailto:C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu] Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 11:06 AM To: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org Subject: Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 I have an 84 Rhodes 22, that came with a "slightly-curved" rudder? As you can imagine, when under power this applies a slight port steer. As interested as I am in what would have caused this slight curve to the rudder, I am more interested in repairing/replacing this issue. Thanks in advance for your thoughts / suggestions. 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However, you might try this: Set the rudder blade between saw horses with the curved side up. Set a straight edge down the length of the rudder blade. Measure the maximum draft between the straight edge and the rudder blade. Draft is the perpendicular distance between the straight edge and the rudder blade at any given point. Flip the rudder blade over and, using some sort of strap to wrap around the rudder blade at the point of maximum draft, add load beneath the rudder blade until the rudder blade straightens out. It might require a couple hundred lbs. Note: If you hear cracking; then, stop! Allow the rudder blade to sit loaded up like this for several weeks. Then, unload it and remeasure the maximum draft. Note: This procedure is more likely to work if you can do it in a warm place, say > 70 deg F. Roger Pihlaja SV Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of C. Robert Lester Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2018 4:19:40 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Roger, Good question! Answer: I purchased the boat in 2012, with the rudder as you see it. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 6:41 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Graham/Bob, > ?In the beginning? ... The centerboard and the rudder blade we?re the same identical foil. It was a very hydrodynamically efficient high aspect ratio foil. At some point in the 1980?s (?) Stan changed the designs of the centerboard and rudder blade. So, if you have a 1976 boat, your rudder blade is going to be thinner vs a newer boat. Stan claims the new rudder and centerboard offer better performance vs the older parts. But, that claim flies in the face of hydrofoil theory, so I?m a little sceptical. I?d love to see an old vs new boat match race. Bob, I may have misunderstood something. Did your boat come with a bent rudder blade or did you notice the bend recently after the boat was sitting on the trailer. In the picture, it looks like the boat has sunk into the ground loading up the rudder blade. Roger Pihlaja SV Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 26, 2018, at 3:58 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: > > Bob: > Your rudder looks to me to be much thinner than mine. There also > appears to be a lot of space around the rudder in the rudder holder - > whatever you call the upper part that holds the rudder. I am wondering > if this an original rudder or a replacement. Is that possible? > Graham > > Graham Stewart > Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 > Kingston Ontario > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of C. > Robert Lester > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 8:35 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 > > Greetings all & Happy Holiday's. > We just pulled the boat off Lake Sunapee in NH (11/24/18) as I guess > the > 2018 season is over. While I had the chance I took better pics of our > "Curved Rudder" issue. The first pics were not very telling of the > issue as these are. > I ask if there is knowledge on a repair for this issue or is a > replacement in our future? > Thank you in advance, > Bob '84 Orion > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Lowe, Rob > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 10:12 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 > > Bob, > Almost looks like the rudder blade has twisted or warped?? Kind of > hard to tell. Not sure anyone has reported this as an issue before. > What material is the rudder blade made of? - rob > > Rob Lowe > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Graham Stewart > Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 11:35 PM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 > > Thanks for the pictures Bob. I can't be sure I can see the curve but > it looks to me like there might be a bend at the join between the > rudder and the head. That might be possible. I just don't know how the > rudder itself could bend without breaking. That doesn't mean it can't happen. > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of C. Robert Lester > Sent: February 18, 2017 9:11 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 > > Graham, > Good point about the swollen side as you experienced. However, you can > see by both pics here it is a different case. Pic #2 that has the > rudder laying down and it shows the best example of the curve. > Bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Graham Stewart > Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 10:25 PM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 > > Bob: > > Can you post a picture of the rudder? > I wonder if the rudder is curved or instead has "swollen" on one side > due to water migration into the core - especially if the rudder has > been exposed to freezing. When I rebuilt my rudder I found that there > were large voids in it and undertook to fill them with epoxy. Removing > any paint might show cracks and if so see if there is a pattern that > shows the effect of internal pressure. Just a guess. > > Graham Stewart > Agile. R22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario Canada > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Michael Weisner > Sent: February 11, 2017 4:41 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 > > As the list admin, I received this "bounced" email this morning. I am > not sure why it wound up in my inbox but it appears to have been sent > to the list but did not reach the intended destination. I am > therefore forwarding it to the list. Note to Bob: If you figure out > why your post did not reach the proper destination, please let me > know. I hope that this helps to find a solution to your problem. > > > > Mike > > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > > Nissequogue River, NY > > > > > > > > From: C. Robert Lester [mailto:C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu] > Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 11:06 AM > To: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org > Subject: Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 > > > > I have an 84 Rhodes 22, that came with a "slightly-curved" rudder? As > you can imagine, when under power this applies a slight port steer. As > interested as I am in what would have caused this slight curve to the > rudder, I am more interested in repairing/replacing this issue. > > > > Thanks in advance for your thoughts / suggestions. > > > > Bob > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rh > odes22.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Frhodes22-list&data=02%7C01%7Cc.r > obert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7C47482ec02e4e4996248408d653f8a8a2%7C995b > 093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C0%7C636788724884504618&sdata=Te > 8KFJQu2jcnYNbdlTc9UwStXQdj82wY1tKFVxljjY4%3D&reserved=0 > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rh > odes22.org%2Flist&data=02%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7 > C47482ec02e4e4996248408d653f8a8a2%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7 > 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__________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From ccowie at cowieassociates.com Tue Dec 11 17:14:00 2018 From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 22:14:00 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 In-Reply-To: References: <009b01d284af$8a3666d0$9ea33470$@ebsmed.com> <000301d284df$a48d68f0$eda83ad0$@ca> <007901d28a69$994e4b50$cbeae1f0$@ca> , Message-ID: Let me know what you find in the core sample. I am working on several older rudders now and no two are exactly alike. Christopher P. Cowie? ?? 700 N Fairfax Street Suite 304 Alexandria, Virginia 22314 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] Please consider the environment before printing this email. -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of C. Robert Lester Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2018 4:58 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Roger - Thank you & please know that the rudder is removed & stored separately from the boat in the winter time. Your information is very helpful as I'm unsure how the rudder was stored prior to my purchase in 2012. I feel a small, core sample will be had this winter on the rudder. Stay tuned. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 12:03 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Bob, I just took some rough measurements of the curvature of your rudder from the attached picture. It is deflecting ~1.5% in compression buckling mode. The rudder blade is made from glass fiber reinforced polyester (FRP) with some internal ballast. Typical FRP composites have an ultimate elongation of from 2-7%, with the failure point tending towards the low end as the temperature drops because the plastic resin passes thru its glass transition temperature and becomes brittle. I would NOT leave the rudder loaded like that all winter. You have another issue in that the compression on the rudder is loading up the rudder's gudgeons and pintles and the boat's transom in a manner they were never designed to handle. By spring, you may very well have hull damage on the transom. I would find some way to get that rudder unloaded ASAP! If you unload it soon, you should see the rudder blade straighten out. At your next opportunity, strip the bottom paint off the rudder and carefully inspect it. You are looking for tiny transverse cracks (i.e. running from side to side vs. the length of the rudder blade), especially on the port side where the surface was in tension due to the buckling. If you see these cracks, you might consider prepping the surface and applying a couple of coats of WEST System epoxy to both sides of the rudder blade. Let me know how it turns out for you or if you have any other questions. Roger Pihlaja SV Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Lowe, Rob Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 10:28:34 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Bob, That is the oddest thing. Don't think we've seen one like this before. I can't imagine a fix for this. Does it affect handling enough to require a replacement? - rob Oh, and I don't know about pulling with snow on the ground. I try to get out while it's still in the 50's! -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of C. Robert Lester Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 8:35 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Greetings all & Happy Holiday's. We just pulled the boat off Lake Sunapee in NH (11/24/18) as I guess the 2018 season is over. While I had the chance I took better pics of our "Curved Rudder" issue. The first pics were not very telling of the issue as these are. I ask if there is knowledge on a repair for this issue or is a replacement in our future? Thank you in advance, Bob '84 Orion -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 10:12 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Bob, Almost looks like the rudder blade has twisted or warped?? Kind of hard to tell. Not sure anyone has reported this as an issue before. What material is the rudder blade made of? - rob Rob Lowe -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Graham Stewart Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 11:35 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Thanks for the pictures Bob. I can't be sure I can see the curve but it looks to me like there might be a bend at the join between the rudder and the head. That might be possible. I just don't know how the rudder itself could bend without breaking. That doesn't mean it can't happen. Graham -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of C. Robert Lester Sent: February 18, 2017 9:11 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Graham, Good point about the swollen side as you experienced. However, you can see by both pics here it is a different case. Pic #2 that has the rudder laying down and it shows the best example of the curve. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Graham Stewart Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 10:25 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Bob: Can you post a picture of the rudder? I wonder if the rudder is curved or instead has "swollen" on one side due to water migration into the core - especially if the rudder has been exposed to freezing. When I rebuilt my rudder I found that there were large voids in it and undertook to fill them with epoxy. Removing any paint might show cracks and if so see if there is a pattern that shows the effect of internal pressure. Just a guess. Graham Stewart Agile. R22, 1976 Kingston Ontario Canada -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael Weisner Sent: February 11, 2017 4:41 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 As the list admin, I received this "bounced" email this morning. I am not sure why it wound up in my inbox but it appears to have been sent to the list but did not reach the intended destination. I am therefore forwarding it to the list. Note to Bob: If you figure out why your post did not reach the proper destination, please let me know. I hope that this helps to find a solution to your problem. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY From: C. Robert Lester [mailto:C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu] Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 11:06 AM To: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org Subject: Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 I have an 84 Rhodes 22, that came with a "slightly-curved" rudder? As you can imagine, when under power this applies a slight port steer. As interested as I am in what would have caused this slight curve to the rudder, I am more interested in repairing/replacing this issue. Thanks in advance for your thoughts / suggestions. 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Robert Lester) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 20:00:09 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 In-Reply-To: References: <009b01d284af$8a3666d0$9ea33470$@ebsmed.com> <000301d284df$a48d68f0$eda83ad0$@ca> <007901d28a69$994e4b50$cbeae1f0$@ca> , Message-ID: Will do. -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Chris Cowie Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2018 5:14 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Let me know what you find in the core sample. I am working on several older rudders now and no two are exactly alike. Christopher P. Cowie? ?? 700 N Fairfax Street Suite 304 Alexandria, Virginia 22314 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] Please consider the environment before printing this email. -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of C. Robert Lester Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2018 4:58 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Roger - Thank you & please know that the rudder is removed & stored separately from the boat in the winter time. Your information is very helpful as I'm unsure how the rudder was stored prior to my purchase in 2012. I feel a small, core sample will be had this winter on the rudder. Stay tuned. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 12:03 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Bob, I just took some rough measurements of the curvature of your rudder from the attached picture. It is deflecting ~1.5% in compression buckling mode. The rudder blade is made from glass fiber reinforced polyester (FRP) with some internal ballast. Typical FRP composites have an ultimate elongation of from 2-7%, with the failure point tending towards the low end as the temperature drops because the plastic resin passes thru its glass transition temperature and becomes brittle. I would NOT leave the rudder loaded like that all winter. You have another issue in that the compression on the rudder is loading up the rudder's gudgeons and pintles and the boat's transom in a manner they were never designed to handle. By spring, you may very well have hull damage on the transom. I would find some way to get that rudder unloaded ASAP! If you unload it soon, you should see the rudder blade straighten out. At your next opportunity, strip the bottom paint off the rudder and carefully inspect it. You are looking for tiny transverse cracks (i.e. running from side to side vs. the length of the rudder blade), especially on the port side where the surface was in tension due to the buckling. If you see these cracks, you might consider prepping the surface and applying a couple of coats of WEST System epoxy to both sides of the rudder blade. Let me know how it turns out for you or if you have any other questions. Roger Pihlaja SV Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Lowe, Rob Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 10:28:34 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Bob, That is the oddest thing. Don't think we've seen one like this before. I can't imagine a fix for this. Does it affect handling enough to require a replacement? - rob Oh, and I don't know about pulling with snow on the ground. I try to get out while it's still in the 50's! -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of C. Robert Lester Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 8:35 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Greetings all & Happy Holiday's. We just pulled the boat off Lake Sunapee in NH (11/24/18) as I guess the 2018 season is over. While I had the chance I took better pics of our "Curved Rudder" issue. The first pics were not very telling of the issue as these are. I ask if there is knowledge on a repair for this issue or is a replacement in our future? Thank you in advance, Bob '84 Orion -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 10:12 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Bob, Almost looks like the rudder blade has twisted or warped?? Kind of hard to tell. Not sure anyone has reported this as an issue before. What material is the rudder blade made of? - rob Rob Lowe -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Graham Stewart Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 11:35 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Thanks for the pictures Bob. I can't be sure I can see the curve but it looks to me like there might be a bend at the join between the rudder and the head. That might be possible. I just don't know how the rudder itself could bend without breaking. That doesn't mean it can't happen. Graham -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of C. Robert Lester Sent: February 18, 2017 9:11 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Graham, Good point about the swollen side as you experienced. However, you can see by both pics here it is a different case. Pic #2 that has the rudder laying down and it shows the best example of the curve. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Graham Stewart Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 10:25 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Bob: Can you post a picture of the rudder? I wonder if the rudder is curved or instead has "swollen" on one side due to water migration into the core - especially if the rudder has been exposed to freezing. When I rebuilt my rudder I found that there were large voids in it and undertook to fill them with epoxy. Removing any paint might show cracks and if so see if there is a pattern that shows the effect of internal pressure. Just a guess. Graham Stewart Agile. R22, 1976 Kingston Ontario Canada -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael Weisner Sent: February 11, 2017 4:41 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 As the list admin, I received this "bounced" email this morning. I am not sure why it wound up in my inbox but it appears to have been sent to the list but did not reach the intended destination. I am therefore forwarding it to the list. Note to Bob: If you figure out why your post did not reach the proper destination, please let me know. I hope that this helps to find a solution to your problem. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY From: C. Robert Lester [mailto:C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu] Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 11:06 AM To: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org Subject: Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 I have an 84 Rhodes 22, that came with a "slightly-curved" rudder? As you can imagine, when under power this applies a slight port steer. As interested as I am in what would have caused this slight curve to the rudder, I am more interested in repairing/replacing this issue. Thanks in advance for your thoughts / suggestions. 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I had the misfortune to gently touch bottom near Edenton in the rental. It was so gentle I didn't feel it, but the boat started weather cocking in the light wind. I figured you were tired of renters too lazy to properly study a chart banging up your boats, so you made the change. The ability of the modern R22 to handle thin water was one of the things that attracted me to it. Alex ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From rlowe at vt.edu Thu Dec 20 11:04:33 2018 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 16:04:33 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Towing with a Ridgeline? Message-ID: Anyone towing their boat with a Honda Ridgeline? Time to replace the old Jeep Grand Cherokee and the Ridgeline's have my attention. Some of the readings I've done suggest the Ridgeline is more car like than truck like and may not be up to the task. Any feedback from anyone? Thanks - rob From ccowie at cowieassociates.com Thu Dec 20 11:09:40 2018 From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 16:09:40 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Towing with a Ridgeline? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We tow the Rhodes 22 with a ford explorer no problem. Christopher P. Cowie? ?? 700 N Fairfax Street Suite 304 Alexandria, Virginia 22314 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] Please consider the environment before printing this email. -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 11:05 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Towing with a Ridgeline? Anyone towing their boat with a Honda Ridgeline? Time to replace the old Jeep Grand Cherokee and the Ridgeline's have my attention. Some of the readings I've done suggest the Ridgeline is more car like than truck like and may not be up to the task. Any feedback from anyone? Thanks - rob __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From keywestseccorp at verizon.net Thu Dec 20 11:16:18 2018 From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 16:16:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Towing with a Ridgeline? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1422333674.7359091.1545322578025@mail.yahoo.com> I towed mine With Nissan Extra V6 2wd from Maryland to? North Carolina It did ok would want larger tow? Vehicle if mountains and hills? stopping with small truck worried me but trailer had is own breaks that work and helped? From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Thu Dec 20 11:56:27 2018 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 16:56:27 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Towing with a Ridgeline? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The Honda Ridgeline has a 3.5 liter V-6 engine that puts out 280 bhp and 262 lb-ft of torque. It has a pretty good 6 speed automatic transmission. It comes standard with front wheel drive (FWD); but, all wheel drive (AWD) is available as part of more expensive trim options. For towing something as big & heavy as your Rhodes 22, you definitely want AWD. With AWD, it?s rated to tow 5000 lbs, which is plenty for your Rhodes 22. Since we purchased it in 1987, we have towed our Rhodes 22 with a Ford Aerostar RWD minivan, an AMC Eagle AWD station wagon, a Chevrolet Astro AWD minivan, a Nissan AWD Murano SL, and 2 Toyota Sienna AWD minivans. Of these vehicles, the Ford Aerostar was handicapped by RWD and the AMC Eagle lacked sufficient hp & torque for the job. The rest were fine. I am convinced there is just nothing like AWD or 4WD to get you up a wet, slimey launch ramp and won?t have a tow vehicle without this feature anymore. Although we have towed our Rhodes 22 thousands of miles, towing represents a tiny fraction of the total service the tow vehicle will get. I am of the opinion that you should purchase no more tow vehicle than you need. Considerations of what it will be like to live with on a daily basis, reliability, safety, resale value, and fuel mileage should be more important than whether it?s the ultimate tow vehicle. Roger Pihlaja SV Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Lowe, Rob Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 11:04:33 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Towing with a Ridgeline? Anyone towing their boat with a Honda Ridgeline? Time to replace the old Jeep Grand Cherokee and the Ridgeline's have my attention. Some of the readings I've done suggest the Ridgeline is more car like than truck like and may not be up to the task. Any feedback from anyone? Thanks - rob __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From DChristensen at mcc-gill.com Thu Dec 20 12:58:21 2018 From: DChristensen at mcc-gill.com (D Christensen) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 17:58:21 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Towing with a Ridgeline? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b7d332ca273468e883193c056166ca6@SRV-EX2013.mcg.local> I have a 4WD ridgeline and it tows the boat with no issue -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 11:05 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Towing with a Ridgeline? Anyone towing their boat with a Honda Ridgeline? Time to replace the old Jeep Grand Cherokee and the Ridgeline's have my attention. Some of the readings I've done suggest the Ridgeline is more car like than truck like and may not be up to the task. Any feedback from anyone? Thanks - rob __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.rhodes22.org_mailman_listinfo_rhodes22-2Dlist&d=DwICAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=wwKG16pjB-ef7g3WGCX_ySLrfJBCrV1RpQ4zev-P5VU&m=FXZobuU5HPkGn9ck24RepnZOxL3lDu1pw_Qtvx_erew&s=xae7oXDGG7Vy93-1cljqSJf4cfZSO8ZETtSiXfC3gI0&e= For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.rhodes22.org_list&d=DwICAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=wwKG16pjB-ef7g3WGCX_ySLrfJBCrV1RpQ4zev-P5VU&m=FXZobuU5HPkGn9ck24RepnZOxL3lDu1pw_Qtvx_erew&s=gwwvgStbpSQeFtvpBaxa48GE-O8TJ-vCym7LfVDcPfE&e= __________________________________________________ From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Thu Dec 20 13:06:20 2018 From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 13:06:20 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Towing with a Ridgeline? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We towed our R22 for quite a few years with a 4wd Chevy Blazer. It did fine but it was mostly on the flat. When we replaced it with a 2wd 2008 Nissan Frontier (6300 towing capacity) we felt it towed a whole lot better. Out Frontier now has 120,000 miles on it most of it towing a relatively lightweight 24 travel trailer. We've been really happy with it. No experience with the Ridgeline but I'd want to gather more experiences. Mary Lou ex R22 now Rosborough RF-246? Tara (We don't trailer the Rosborough - we would need a bigger truck - and a trailer.) On 12/20/2018 11:04 AM, Lowe, Rob wrote: > Anyone towing their boat with a Honda Ridgeline? Time to replace the old Jeep Grand Cherokee and the Ridgeline's have my attention. Some of the readings I've done suggest the Ridgeline is more car like than truck like and may not be up to the task. Any feedback from anyone? Thanks - rob > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Thu Dec 20 13:42:59 2018 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 13:42:59 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Towing with a Ridgeline? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: After towing with truck based 4wd Ford Explorers with no problem, 5 years ago I switched to a unibody Nissan Pathfinder. Push 1 button for towing mode and the bird's-eye-view cameras make trailer hookup a 1 man job. Regards, Rick Lange On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 11:04 AM Lowe, Rob wrote: > Anyone towing their boat with a Honda Ridgeline? Time to replace the old > Jeep Grand Cherokee and the Ridgeline's have my attention. Some of the > readings I've done suggest the Ridgeline is more car like than truck like > and may not be up to the task. Any feedback from anyone? Thanks - rob > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Thu Dec 20 13:54:36 2018 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (mweisner at ebsmed.com) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 13:54:36 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Towing with a Ridgeline? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000401d49895$74f06e50$5ed14af0$@ebsmed.com> It is important to note that the Ridgeline underwent a major redesign in 2017, increasing the bed size and towing capacity. The "Gen1" was a nice small pickup with interestingly sloped bed walls. The "Gen2" Ridgeline (2017+) depends more on technology ($computers$) and composite materials making it significantly lighter and more fuel efficient. The claim is 27 mpg on the highway but the Honda club says that it is more like 22-24mpg. I looked seriously at the new 2018 Ridgeline as a replacement for my 2005 Nissan Xterra with 221K miles. Instead, I opted to purchase a certified preowned 2015 Nissan Xterra. My decision was based largely on maintaining a true truck chassis in my tow vehicle (the Honda ACE body has yet to be proven) and the fact that I really have little use for an open bed pickup most of the time. The 2015 Xterra only gets 20-21mpg but it is totally enclosed. I also preferred the 6-speed manual transmission option from Nissan over the up/down shift hunting that was all too obvious in the Honda 6-speed automatic transmission at 30-35 mph. The constant shifting drives me nuts when towing using an automatic with poor hysteresis control. It can't be good for the tranny either. The 2015 Nissan Xterra represents the last year of Xterra production. The Frontier shared the same design with an open bed and is still being produced. The Nissan plan appears to move to the Rogue chassis for future "trucks." I am happy with the 2015 Xterra decision. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 11:56 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Towing with a Ridgeline? The Honda Ridgeline has a 3.5 liter V-6 engine that puts out 280 bhp and 262 lb-ft of torque. It has a pretty good 6 speed automatic transmission. It comes standard with front wheel drive (FWD); but, all wheel drive (AWD) is available as part of more expensive trim options. For towing something as big & heavy as your Rhodes 22, you definitely want AWD. With AWD, it's rated to tow 5000 lbs, which is plenty for your Rhodes 22. Since we purchased it in 1987, we have towed our Rhodes 22 with a Ford Aerostar RWD minivan, an AMC Eagle AWD station wagon, a Chevrolet Astro AWD minivan, a Nissan AWD Murano SL, and 2 Toyota Sienna AWD minivans. Of these vehicles, the Ford Aerostar was handicapped by RWD and the AMC Eagle lacked sufficient hp & torque for the job. The rest were fine. I am convinced there is just nothing like AWD or 4WD to get you up a wet, slimey launch ramp and won't have a tow vehicle without this feature anymore. Although we have towed our Rhodes 22 thousands of miles, towing represents a tiny fraction of the total service the tow vehicle will get. I am of the opinion that you should purchase no more tow vehicle than you need. Considerations of what it will be like to live with on a daily basis, reliability, safety, resale value, and fuel mileage should be more important than whether it's the ultimate tow vehicle. Roger Pihlaja SV Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Lowe, Rob Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 11:04:33 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Towing with a Ridgeline? Anyone towing their boat with a Honda Ridgeline? Time to replace the old Jeep Grand Cherokee and the Ridgeline's have my attention. Some of the readings I've done suggest the Ridgeline is more car like than truck like and may not be up to the task. Any feedback from anyone? Thanks - rob __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From a_czerwonky at yahoo.com Thu Dec 20 13:57:57 2018 From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 18:57:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Towing with a Ridgeline? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1056877482.7428666.1545332277114@mail.yahoo.com> I looked hard at the Ridgeline, being a longtime Hondite - I instead opter for a Ford F150 and do not regret. First, I thought the back seat would not wear well on a long trip. Second, the weight of most heavy loads would kill otherwise imressive mileage and performance/acceleration. Third, interior roominess does matter alot.? I could probably opt for a Pilot, but not instead of my F150. Art Czerwonkys/v MaryJane (soon available)Atlanta Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 1:43 PM, Rick Lange wrote: After towing with truck based 4wd Ford Explorers with no problem,? 5 years ago I switched to a unibody Nissan Pathfinder.? Push 1 button for towing mode and the bird's-eye-view cameras make trailer hookup a 1 man job. Regards, Rick Lange On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 11:04 AM Lowe, Rob wrote: > Anyone towing their boat with a Honda Ridgeline?? Time to replace the old > Jeep Grand Cherokee and the Ridgeline's have my attention.? Some of the > readings I've done suggest the Ridgeline is more car like than truck like > and may not be up to the task.? Any feedback from anyone?? Thanks - rob > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From lastmango68 at gmail.com Thu Dec 20 14:16:02 2018 From: lastmango68 at gmail.com (Lance Horne) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 14:16:02 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Towing with a Ridgeline? In-Reply-To: <1056877482.7428666.1545332277114@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1056877482.7428666.1545332277114@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <411FD43D-83E7-401A-98B9-1776914C2513@gmail.com> I had a Ram 1500 which moved Last Mango from New Hampshire to Jacksonville. Trip ok. Toll booths a little scary. I upgraded to a Ram 3500 Cummins diesel and I don?t even know she is behind me. A bit overkill but we also tow an RV with the truck. lance > On Dec 20, 2018, at 1:57 PM, Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > I looked hard at the Ridgeline, being a longtime Hondite - I instead opter for a Ford F150 and do not regret. First, I thought the back seat would not wear well on a long trip. Second, the weight of most heavy loads would kill otherwise imressive mileage and performance/acceleration. Third, interior roominess does matter alot. I could probably opt for a Pilot, but not instead of my F150. > Art Czerwonkys/v MaryJane (soon available)Atlanta > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 1:43 PM, Rick Lange wrote: After towing with truck based 4wd Ford Explorers with no problem, 5 years > ago I switched to a unibody Nissan Pathfinder. Push 1 button for towing > mode and the bird's-eye-view cameras make trailer hookup a 1 man job. > > Regards, > Rick Lange > > > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 11:04 AM Lowe, Rob wrote: > >> Anyone towing their boat with a Honda Ridgeline? Time to replace the old >> Jeep Grand Cherokee and the Ridgeline's have my attention. Some of the >> readings I've done suggest the Ridgeline is more car like than truck like >> and may not be up to the task. Any feedback from anyone? Thanks - rob >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From wjf at me.com Thu Dec 20 14:21:40 2018 From: wjf at me.com (wjf at me.com) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 14:21:40 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Message 6 - towing with a Ridgeline Message-ID: <7B86C013-A7B5-47B3-B472-3FBE5501FFDE@me.com> I towed my Rhodes 22 with my Ridgeline from Maine to Florida and back twice in the last two years with no problem. I just sold the truck recently because I decided to leave the boat in Maine for the time being, but I would recommend the Ridgeline. It is like a car on the inside but strong on the outside and rated, I believe, at 5,000 pounds towing. If money is no object, I would recommend getting the Honda tonneau cover and the model with the AC outlets in the truck bed. Great standard features are the large lockable trunk under the truck bed and the gate that opens both down and sidewise like a door. Bill Fuller From borderfolle at yahoo.com Thu Dec 20 20:00:37 2018 From: borderfolle at yahoo.com (Donald Simons) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2018 01:00:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Towing with a Ridgeline? In-Reply-To: <7B86C013-A7B5-47B3-B472-3FBE5501FFDE@me.com> References: <7B86C013-A7B5-47B3-B472-3FBE5501FFDE@me.com> Message-ID: <1623111051.7575819.1545354037968@mail.yahoo.com> This is a timely discussion.? I have a 2003 Toyota 4-Runner with a 4.0L V-6.? Living in upstate NY has created some substantial rust on the frame.? I am considering replacing the 4-Runner with a Pathfinder or possibly a full-size pickup.? I have a dual axle trailer which seems substantially heavier than the single axle, so some additional power for the hills would be nice.? The farthest I've towed with this setup is from Minneapolis to Upstate, NY.? I'd like to consider towing the Rhodes to some other areas, and would be interested in other peoples experience towing with a Pathfinder or possibly a Titan.? Based on comments here, perhaps I should see my local Honda dealer too. On Thursday, December 20, 2018, 2:21:50 PM EST, Bill via Rhodes22-list wrote: I towed my Rhodes 22 with my Ridgeline from Maine to Florida and back twice in the last two years with no problem. I just sold the truck recently because I decided to leave the boat in Maine for the time being, but I would recommend the Ridgeline. It is like a car on the inside but strong on the outside and rated, I believe, at 5,000 pounds towing. If money is no object, I would recommend getting the Honda tonneau cover and the model with the AC outlets in the truck bed. Great standard features are the large lockable trunk under the truck bed and the gate that opens both down and sidewise like a door. Bill Fuller __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From rlowe at vt.edu Fri Dec 21 09:15:58 2018 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2018 14:15:58 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Message 6 - towing with a Ridgeline In-Reply-To: <7B86C013-A7B5-47B3-B472-3FBE5501FFDE@me.com> References: <7B86C013-A7B5-47B3-B472-3FBE5501FFDE@me.com> Message-ID: Bill, What year is your Ridgeline? Roger indicated they were redesigned at some point. Engine size? 4WD or AWD? Thanks - rob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Bill via Rhodes22-list Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 2:22 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Message 6 - towing with a Ridgeline I towed my Rhodes 22 with my Ridgeline from Maine to Florida and back twice in the last two years with no problem. I just sold the truck recently because I decided to leave the boat in Maine for the time being, but I would recommend the Ridgeline. It is like a car on the inside but strong on the outside and rated, I believe, at 5,000 pounds towing. If money is no object, I would recommend getting the Honda tonneau cover and the model with the AC outlets in the truck bed. Great standard features are the large lockable trunk under the truck bed and the gate that opens both down and sidewise like a door. Bill Fuller __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From cjlowe at sssnet.com Fri Dec 21 09:30:33 2018 From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2018 09:30:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Message 6 - towing with a Ridgeline In-Reply-To: References: <7B86C013-A7B5-47B3-B472-3FBE5501FFDE@me.com> Message-ID: <61117.24.140.30.102.1545402633.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Rod, I'm sure Ridgeline owners have a forum, go on it and ask your questions, but remember these folks love their trucks. > Bill, > What year is your Ridgeline? Roger indicated they were redesigned at some > point. Engine size? 4WD or AWD? Thanks - rob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Bill > via Rhodes22-list > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 2:22 PM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Message 6 - towing with a Ridgeline > > I towed my Rhodes 22 with my Ridgeline from Maine to Florida and back > twice in the last two years with no problem. I just sold the truck > recently because I decided to leave the boat in Maine for the time being, > but I would recommend the Ridgeline. It is like a car on the inside but > strong on the outside and rated, I believe, at 5,000 pounds towing. If > money is no object, I would recommend getting the Honda tonneau cover and > the model with the AC outlets in the truck bed. Great standard features > are the large lockable trunk under the truck bed and the gate that opens > both down and sidewise like a door. > Bill Fuller > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From wjf at me.com Fri Dec 21 13:44:49 2018 From: wjf at me.com (wjf at me.com) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2018 13:44:49 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Message 6 - towing with a Ridgeline In-Reply-To: References: <7B86C013-A7B5-47B3-B472-3FBE5501FFDE@me.com> Message-ID: <5FC84428-5ECA-4771-B8CC-0C5FC10EB053@me.com> Rob, 2017 Ridgeline; not sure of engine size; not the least or most expensive model - in the middle; all wheel drive; it is the redesigned version Bill > On Dec 21, 2018, at 9:15 AM, Lowe, Rob wrote: > > Bill, > What year is your Ridgeline? Roger indicated they were redesigned at some point. Engine size? 4WD or AWD? Thanks - rob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Bill via Rhodes22-list > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 2:22 PM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Message 6 - towing with a Ridgeline > > I towed my Rhodes 22 with my Ridgeline from Maine to Florida and back twice in the last two years with no problem. I just sold the truck recently because I decided to leave the boat in Maine for the time being, but I would recommend the Ridgeline. It is like a car on the inside but strong on the outside and rated, I believe, at 5,000 pounds towing. If money is no object, I would recommend getting the Honda tonneau cover and the model with the AC outlets in the truck bed. Great standard features are the large lockable trunk under the truck bed and the gate that opens both down and sidewise like a door. > Bill Fuller > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Fri Dec 21 22:22:44 2018 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2018 22:22:44 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Message 6 - towing with a Ridgeline In-Reply-To: References: <7B86C013-A7B5-47B3-B472-3FBE5501FFDE@me.com> Message-ID: <009601d499a5$9b0b7560$d1226020$@ca> I have a 2006 Honda Pilot AWD which, I understand, is built on the same platform as the Ridgeline. I tow my boat to the launch and back once a year so I don't have experience towing long distances but it seems to have no difficulty pulling the boat up a launch ramp and handling the boat on the highway. The towing capacity of the vehicle with the tow package - including a transmission and radiator cooler - is 5000 lbs. Graham Stewart Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 9:16 AM To: wjf at me.com; The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Message 6 - towing with a Ridgeline Bill, What year is your Ridgeline? Roger indicated they were redesigned at some point. Engine size? 4WD or AWD? Thanks - rob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Bill via Rhodes22-list Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 2:22 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Message 6 - towing with a Ridgeline I towed my Rhodes 22 with my Ridgeline from Maine to Florida and back twice in the last two years with no problem. I just sold the truck recently because I decided to leave the boat in Maine for the time being, but I would recommend the Ridgeline. It is like a car on the inside but strong on the outside and rated, I believe, at 5,000 pounds towing. If money is no object, I would recommend getting the Honda tonneau cover and the model with the AC outlets in the truck bed. Great standard features are the large lockable trunk under the truck bed and the gate that opens both down and sidewise like a door. Bill Fuller __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From borderfolle at yahoo.com Sat Dec 22 23:55:49 2018 From: borderfolle at yahoo.com (Donald Simons) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2018 04:55:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Ridgeline Test Drive References: <1910038864.8391376.1545540949047.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1910038864.8391376.1545540949047@mail.yahoo.com> We test drove a 2019 Ridgeline today and were impressed.? But, it's difficult to evaluate how well it will tow.? Although some people have responded in a previous thread, has anyone specifically towed their Rhodes with a dual-axle trailer in hilly countryside with a late model Ridgeline?? I'm also thinking about a Nissan Pathfinder or possibly a Titan. The Titan will certainly handle this load, but it also means a large vehicle for everyday driving.? Any opinions are welcome. Don Simons,Ithaca, NY From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Sun Dec 23 05:00:43 2018 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2018 10:00:43 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Ridgeline Test Drive In-Reply-To: <1910038864.8391376.1545540949047@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1910038864.8391376.1545540949047.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <1910038864.8391376.1545540949047@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Don, If you are that worried about the Ridgeline?s towing ability, why don?t you check if the dealer will allow a test tow with your boat and trailer? Personally, I find the towing part of any boat trip just a means to an end, something that must be done in order to get to the fun part. At best, you?re driving a rig that?s 2 to 2-1/2 X longer than you normally drive, 2X as heavy, subject to cross winds, huge blind spots, much less maneuverable, much harder to park, harder to back up, and takes longer to stop. It?s not my idea of a good time. The manufacturers tow rating is always conservative. If the tow vehicle is rated to tow your boat; then, it will. The question is, can you live with the tow vehicle the other 99.9% of the time when you are not towing? Roger Pihlaja SV Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 22, 2018, at 11:55 PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > We test drove a 2019 Ridgeline today and were impressed. But, it's difficult to evaluate how well it will tow. Although some people have responded in a previous thread, has anyone specifically towed their Rhodes with a dual-axle trailer in hilly countryside with a late model Ridgeline? I'm also thinking about a Nissan Pathfinder or possibly a Titan. The Titan will certainly handle this load, but it also means a large vehicle for everyday driving. Any opinions are welcome. > Don Simons,Ithaca, NY > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com Sun Dec 23 07:20:05 2018 From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2018 07:20:05 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Ridgeline Test Drive In-Reply-To: <1910038864.8391376.1545540949047@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1910038864.8391376.1545540949047.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1910038864.8391376.1545540949047@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <14CEBD64-4092-4431-895F-3EC1AED6A6EF@gmail.com> Buy American! Get a real tow vehicle. You wont regret it. > On Dec 22, 2018, at 11:55 PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > We test drove a 2019 Ridgeline today and were impressed. But, it's difficult to evaluate how well it will tow. Although some people have responded in a previous thread, has anyone specifically towed their Rhodes with a dual-axle trailer in hilly countryside with a late model Ridgeline? I'm also thinking about a Nissan Pathfinder or possibly a Titan. The Titan will certainly handle this load, but it also means a large vehicle for everyday driving. Any opinions are welcome. > Don Simons,Ithaca, NY > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com Sun Dec 23 07:49:27 2018 From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com (Luis Guzman) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2018 07:49:27 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Ridgeline Test Drive In-Reply-To: <14CEBD64-4092-4431-895F-3EC1AED6A6EF@gmail.com> References: <1910038864.8391376.1545540949047.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1910038864.8391376.1545540949047@mail.yahoo.com> <14CEBD64-4092-4431-895F-3EC1AED6A6EF@gmail.com> Message-ID: The Ram 1500 with the 6 cylinder ecodiesel will tow it for sure, and the miles per gallon is not bad at all for a truck. Luis S/V Aquetxali On Sun, Dec 23, 2018, 7:20 AM Goodness wrote: > Buy American! Get a real tow vehicle. You wont regret it. > > > On Dec 22, 2018, at 11:55 PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > > We test drove a 2019 Ridgeline today and were impressed. But, it's > difficult to evaluate how well it will tow. Although some people have > responded in a previous thread, has anyone specifically towed their Rhodes > with a dual-axle trailer in hilly countryside with a late model Ridgeline? > I'm also thinking about a Nissan Pathfinder or possibly a Titan. The Titan > will certainly handle this load, but it also means a large vehicle for > everyday driving. Any opinions are welcome. > > Don Simons,Ithaca, NY > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu Sun Dec 23 10:15:33 2018 From: C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu (C. Robert Lester) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2018 15:15:33 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Ridgeline Test Drive In-Reply-To: References: <1910038864.8391376.1545540949047.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1910038864.8391376.1545540949047@mail.yahoo.com> <14CEBD64-4092-4431-895F-3EC1AED6A6EF@gmail.com>, Message-ID: <4075ofi5ira2bvvn9dnepjqa.1545578131523@Dartmouth.edu> Jeep GC, 6 cylinder, ecodiesel works too! Also my daily driver. Merry Christmas! Bob '84 Orion From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com Sent: December 23, 2018 7:49 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Reply-to: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Ridgeline Test Drive The Ram 1500 with the 6 cylinder ecodiesel will tow it for sure, and the miles per gallon is not bad at all for a truck. Luis S/V Aquetxali On Sun, Dec 23, 2018, 7:20 AM Goodness wrote: > Buy American! Get a real tow vehicle. You wont regret it. > > > On Dec 22, 2018, at 11:55 PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > > We test drove a 2019 Ridgeline today and were impressed. But, it's > difficult to evaluate how well it will tow. Although some people have > responded in a previous thread, has anyone specifically towed their Rhodes > with a dual-axle trailer in hilly countryside with a late model Ridgeline? > I'm also thinking about a Nissan Pathfinder or possibly a Titan. The Titan > will certainly handle this load, but it also means a large vehicle for > everyday driving. Any opinions are welcome. > > Don Simons,Ithaca, NY > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rhodes22.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Frhodes22-list&data=02%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7C697806cef4c04c73a0e708d668d51bb6%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C1%7C636811661835209343&sdata=vlMKhyJEu18jZrJkVdQPRF4NsluQ0OTdeDWRjSXVywE%3D&reserved=0 > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rhodes22.org%2Flist&data=02%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7C697806cef4c04c73a0e708d668d51bb6%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C1%7C636811661835219347&sdata=nr6TledpSD9b5rYlhKvbaV%2B3U0xG6Gd%2FM5XFcAnLajE%3D&reserved=0 > > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rhodes22.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Frhodes22-list&data=02%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7C697806cef4c04c73a0e708d668d51bb6%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C1%7C636811661835219347&sdata=ccgH6xRmIW%2Biaf45Ev3Uxv0pujCwn3AzaWjZcSX5hfM%3D&reserved=0 > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rhodes22.org%2Flist&data=02%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7C697806cef4c04c73a0e708d668d51bb6%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C1%7C636811661835219347&sdata=nr6TledpSD9b5rYlhKvbaV%2B3U0xG6Gd%2FM5XFcAnLajE%3D&reserved=0 > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rhodes22.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Frhodes22-list&data=02%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7C697806cef4c04c73a0e708d668d51bb6%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C1%7C636811661835219347&sdata=ccgH6xRmIW%2Biaf45Ev3Uxv0pujCwn3AzaWjZcSX5hfM%3D&reserved=0 For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rhodes22.org%2Flist&data=02%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7C697806cef4c04c73a0e708d668d51bb6%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C1%7C636811661835219347&sdata=nr6TledpSD9b5rYlhKvbaV%2B3U0xG6Gd%2FM5XFcAnLajE%3D&reserved=0 __________________________________________________ From luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com Sun Dec 23 10:54:51 2018 From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com (Luis Guzman) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2018 10:54:51 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Ridgeline Test Drive In-Reply-To: <4075ofi5ira2bvvn9dnepjqa.1545578131523@Dartmouth.edu> References: <1910038864.8391376.1545540949047.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1910038864.8391376.1545540949047@mail.yahoo.com> <14CEBD64-4092-4431-895F-3EC1AED6A6EF@gmail.com> <4075ofi5ira2bvvn9dnepjqa.1545578131523@Dartmouth.edu> Message-ID: it' actually the same diesel engine. On Sun, Dec 23, 2018, 10:15 AM C. Robert Lester < C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote: > Jeep GC, 6 cylinder, ecodiesel works too! > Also my daily driver. > Merry Christmas! > > Bob > > '84 Orion > > From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com > Sent: December 23, 2018 7:49 AM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Reply-to: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Ridgeline Test Drive > > > The Ram 1500 with the 6 cylinder ecodiesel will tow it for sure, and the > miles per gallon is not bad at all for a truck. > > Luis > S/V Aquetxali > > > On Sun, Dec 23, 2018, 7:20 AM Goodness wrote: > > > Buy American! Get a real tow vehicle. You wont regret it. > > > > > On Dec 22, 2018, at 11:55 PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list < > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > > > > We test drove a 2019 Ridgeline today and were impressed. But, it's > > difficult to evaluate how well it will tow. Although some people have > > responded in a previous thread, has anyone specifically towed their > Rhodes > > with a dual-axle trailer in hilly countryside with a late model > Ridgeline? > > I'm also thinking about a Nissan Pathfinder or possibly a Titan. The > Titan > > will certainly handle this load, but it also means a large vehicle for > > everyday driving. Any opinions are welcome. > > > Don Simons,Ithaca, NY > > > __________________________________________________ > > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rhodes22.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Frhodes22-list&data=02%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7C697806cef4c04c73a0e708d668d51bb6%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C1%7C636811661835209343&sdata=vlMKhyJEu18jZrJkVdQPRF4NsluQ0OTdeDWRjSXVywE%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > > go to > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rhodes22.org%2Flist&data=02%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7C697806cef4c04c73a0e708d668d51bb6%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C1%7C636811661835219347&sdata=nr6TledpSD9b5rYlhKvbaV%2B3U0xG6Gd%2FM5XFcAnLajE%3D&reserved=0 > > > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rhodes22.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Frhodes22-list&data=02%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7C697806cef4c04c73a0e708d668d51bb6%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C1%7C636811661835219347&sdata=ccgH6xRmIW%2Biaf45Ev3Uxv0pujCwn3AzaWjZcSX5hfM%3D&reserved=0 > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > > to > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rhodes22.org%2Flist&data=02%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7C697806cef4c04c73a0e708d668d51bb6%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C1%7C636811661835219347&sdata=nr6TledpSD9b5rYlhKvbaV%2B3U0xG6Gd%2FM5XFcAnLajE%3D&reserved=0 > > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rhodes22.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Frhodes22-list&data=02%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7C697806cef4c04c73a0e708d668d51bb6%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C1%7C636811661835219347&sdata=ccgH6xRmIW%2Biaf45Ev3Uxv0pujCwn3AzaWjZcSX5hfM%3D&reserved=0 > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rhodes22.org%2Flist&data=02%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7C697806cef4c04c73a0e708d668d51bb6%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C1%7C636811661835219347&sdata=nr6TledpSD9b5rYlhKvbaV%2B3U0xG6Gd%2FM5XFcAnLajE%3D&reserved=0 > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu Wed Dec 26 11:16:45 2018 From: C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu (C. Robert Lester) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 16:16:45 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Ridgeline Test Drive In-Reply-To: References: <1910038864.8391376.1545540949047.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1910038864.8391376.1545540949047@mail.yahoo.com> <14CEBD64-4092-4431-895F-3EC1AED6A6EF@gmail.com> <4075ofi5ira2bvvn9dnepjqa.1545578131523@Dartmouth.edu> Message-ID: Correct, they share the same engine...I guess the information I had hoped to share in my comment was that there's some conversation that the Jeep GC EcoDiesel has a "softer" tow package. I can see how this could be true as a trucks suspension is designed to carry more weight back there. Forgive me if I confused anyone with my comments. I used to tow with my '05 Jeep Liberty CRD's (which did the trick also)! Hope everyone has a safe New Year! Bob '84 Orion -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Luis Guzman Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 10:55 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Ridgeline Test Drive it' actually the same diesel engine. On Sun, Dec 23, 2018, 10:15 AM C. Robert Lester < C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote: > Jeep GC, 6 cylinder, ecodiesel works too! > Also my daily driver. > Merry Christmas! > > Bob > > '84 Orion > > From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com > Sent: December 23, 2018 7:49 AM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Reply-to: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Ridgeline Test Drive > > > The Ram 1500 with the 6 cylinder ecodiesel will tow it for sure, and > the miles per gallon is not bad at all for a truck. > > Luis > S/V Aquetxali > > > On Sun, Dec 23, 2018, 7:20 AM Goodness wrote: > > > Buy American! Get a real tow vehicle. You wont regret it. > > > > > On Dec 22, 2018, at 11:55 PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list < > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > > > > We test drove a 2019 Ridgeline today and were impressed. But, > > > it's > > difficult to evaluate how well it will tow. Although some people > > have responded in a previous thread, has anyone specifically towed > > their > Rhodes > > with a dual-axle trailer in hilly countryside with a late model > Ridgeline? > > I'm also thinking about a Nissan Pathfinder or possibly a Titan. The > Titan > > will certainly handle this load, but it also means a large vehicle > > for everyday driving. 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Since I bought my Rhodes in November, there?s been water in the bilge. I pumped about 2 gallons of water but it came back. Since the boat is on its trailer, this is rain water. I read on this list that the centerboard pendant tube is a usual suspect, and it was indeed leaking. I replaced the tube and sealed it properly (clamp+silicone at the bottom, silicone at the top), and I confirmed today that this leak is gone. When I visited the boat today, there was again about 2 gallons of water (that is since my last visit, 2 weeks ago). I found there was water underneath the 2 drawers at the back of the cabin. I removed the settee and its support to inspect a bit more: the foam that sits underneath the cockpit was wet. I am attaching a picture of the cabin sole. You can see the wet parts on both side of the bilge. Any ideas on where this water could be coming from? Thanks, Alexis [Image] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Image-1.png Type: image/jpeg Size: 1947265 bytes Desc: Image-1.png URL: From blue66corvette at hotmail.com Wed Dec 26 22:14:24 2018 From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 03:14:24 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the cabin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It could be water in the lazaret that is slowly migrating through the foam into the cabin. Is the boat level, or is stern or bow lower?? Sent from my iPhone Charles Nieman s/v DayDream 98 R 22 > On Dec 26, 2018, at 8:43 PM, Alexis Seigneurin wrote: > > Hi there! > > Since I bought my Rhodes in November, there?s been water in the bilge. I pumped about 2 gallons of water but it came back. Since the boat is on its trailer, this is rain water. > > I read on this list that the centerboard pendant tube is a usual suspect, and it was indeed leaking. I replaced the tube and sealed it properly (clamp+silicone at the bottom, silicone at the top), and I confirmed today that this leak is gone. > > When I visited the boat today, there was again about 2 gallons of water (that is since my last visit, 2 weeks ago). I found there was water underneath the 2 drawers at the back of the cabin. I removed the settee and its support to inspect a bit more: the foam that sits underneath the cockpit was wet. > > I am attaching a picture of the cabin sole. You can see the wet parts on both side of the bilge. > > Any ideas on where this water could be coming from? > > Thanks, > Alexis > > > [Image] > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Image-1.png > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 1947265 bytes > Desc: Image-1.png > URL: > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com Wed Dec 26 22:22:32 2018 From: alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com (Alexis Seigneurin) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 03:22:32 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the cabin In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: That?s a good question. I have the impression it?s about level, with the water in the bilge being evenly spread (i.e. not sitting towards the bow or the stern). The trailer jack is fully lowered though, so the bow may still be slightly lower. As regards to the lazaret, I opened it today but I don?t recall seeing any water. Thanks, Alexis ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Charles Nieman Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:14 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the cabin It could be water in the lazaret that is slowly migrating through the foam into the cabin. Is the boat level, or is stern or bow lower?? Sent from my iPhone Charles Nieman s/v DayDream 98 R 22 > On Dec 26, 2018, at 8:43 PM, Alexis Seigneurin wrote: > > Hi there! > > Since I bought my Rhodes in November, there?s been water in the bilge. I pumped about 2 gallons of water but it came back. Since the boat is on its trailer, this is rain water. > > I read on this list that the centerboard pendant tube is a usual suspect, and it was indeed leaking. I replaced the tube and sealed it properly (clamp+silicone at the bottom, silicone at the top), and I confirmed today that this leak is gone. > > When I visited the boat today, there was again about 2 gallons of water (that is since my last visit, 2 weeks ago). I found there was water underneath the 2 drawers at the back of the cabin. I removed the settee and its support to inspect a bit more: the foam that sits underneath the cockpit was wet. > > I am attaching a picture of the cabin sole. You can see the wet parts on both side of the bilge. > > Any ideas on where this water could be coming from? > > Thanks, > Alexis > > > [Image] > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Image-1.png > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 1947265 bytes > Desc: Image-1.png > URL: > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Wed Dec 26 23:14:38 2018 From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 23:14:38 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the cabin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Whenever we had water in the bilge it was almost always from leaking ports. The water ran down behind the settee cushions. In some cases the cushions didn't get wet but we could feel the dampness on the carpet glued to the hull. The only solution was rebedding the ports which was a pain in the neck but worth it for the dry bilge. There are however other sources of water. A crack in the cockpit drain tubes could allow water in the area around the lazarette which could work its way forward if you are bow down. There could also be leaks around stanchions and chainplates. You might try selectively tarping parts of the boat to narrow down the area that is leaking. Best of luck, Mary Lou ex R22, now Rosborough RF-246 On 12/26/2018 9:43 PM, Alexis Seigneurin wrote: > Hi there! > > Since I bought my Rhodes in November, there?s been water in the bilge. I pumped about 2 gallons of water but it came back. Since the boat is on its trailer, this is rain water. > > I read on this list that the centerboard pendant tube is a usual suspect, and it was indeed leaking. I replaced the tube and sealed it properly (clamp+silicone at the bottom, silicone at the top), and I confirmed today that this leak is gone. > > When I visited the boat today, there was again about 2 gallons of water (that is since my last visit, 2 weeks ago). I found there was water underneath the 2 drawers at the back of the cabin. I removed the settee and its support to inspect a bit more: the foam that sits underneath the cockpit was wet. > > I am attaching a picture of the cabin sole. You can see the wet parts on both side of the bilge. > > Any ideas on where this water could be coming from? > > Thanks, > Alexis > > > [Image] > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Image-1.png > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 1947265 bytes > Desc: Image-1.png > URL: > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com Thu Dec 27 00:09:37 2018 From: alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com (Alexis Seigneurin) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 05:09:37 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the cabin In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Thanks, that gives me a few things to explore. The cockpit drain tubes didn?t look pristine so definitely worth looking at. I didn?t see any dampness in the carpet on the side of the cabin, though, so I think the ports are good so far. One thing I noticed was water on the ?ceiling? of the cabin (there must be a fancy name for that!) but I suspect that was condensation: we had a sunny day that must have heated the deck and cabin top, while the water in the bilge was cold (there was even some ice in there). I?m not excluding leaks from chain plates or other hardware but what I saw was widespread, so hopefully just condensation. Alexis Alexis ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Mary Lou Troy Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 11:14 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the cabin Whenever we had water in the bilge it was almost always from leaking ports. The water ran down behind the settee cushions. In some cases the cushions didn't get wet but we could feel the dampness on the carpet glued to the hull. The only solution was rebedding the ports which was a pain in the neck but worth it for the dry bilge. There are however other sources of water. A crack in the cockpit drain tubes could allow water in the area around the lazarette which could work its way forward if you are bow down. There could also be leaks around stanchions and chainplates. You might try selectively tarping parts of the boat to narrow down the area that is leaking. Best of luck, Mary Lou ex R22, now Rosborough RF-246 On 12/26/2018 9:43 PM, Alexis Seigneurin wrote: > Hi there! > > Since I bought my Rhodes in November, there?s been water in the bilge. I pumped about 2 gallons of water but it came back. Since the boat is on its trailer, this is rain water. > > I read on this list that the centerboard pendant tube is a usual suspect, and it was indeed leaking. I replaced the tube and sealed it properly (clamp+silicone at the bottom, silicone at the top), and I confirmed today that this leak is gone. > > When I visited the boat today, there was again about 2 gallons of water (that is since my last visit, 2 weeks ago). I found there was water underneath the 2 drawers at the back of the cabin. I removed the settee and its support to inspect a bit more: the foam that sits underneath the cockpit was wet. > > I am attaching a picture of the cabin sole. You can see the wet parts on both side of the bilge. > > Any ideas on where this water could be coming from? > > Thanks, > Alexis > > > [Image] > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Image-1.png > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 1947265 bytes > Desc: Image-1.png > URL: > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Thu Dec 27 10:02:42 2018 From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 10:02:42 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the cabin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <088ded84-907e-b11c-1ae2-57d1bff1a858@atlanticbb.net> Hi Alexis, We never had serious condensation issues, certainly not enough to cause a couple of gallons to accumulate but we (in PA and Maryland) always took most everything off of the boat in the winter and tarped it with the companionway board partially open. The times we did have water in the bilge, it would take a week or so of mopping up before it all drained forward to where we could mop it up. I remember you said your boat is slightly bow down so you could still be getting accumulated water coming forward. Keep mopping and be persistent. You don't want ice forming in the hidden parts of the boat. Ice will crack cockpit drains, the sink drain and other parts as well. Mary Lou ex R22, now Rosborough RF-246 On 12/27/2018 12:09 AM, Alexis Seigneurin wrote: > Thanks, that gives me a few things to explore. The cockpit drain tubes didn?t look pristine so definitely worth looking at. I didn?t see any dampness in the carpet on the side of the cabin, though, so I think the ports are good so far. > > One thing I noticed was water on the ?ceiling? of the cabin (there must be a fancy name for that!) but I suspect that was condensation: we had a sunny day that must have heated the deck and cabin top, while the water in the bilge was cold (there was even some ice in there). I?m not excluding leaks from chain plates or other hardware but what I saw was widespread, so hopefully just condensation. > > Alexis > > Alexis > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Mary Lou Troy > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 11:14 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the cabin > > Whenever we had water in the bilge it was almost always from leaking > ports. The water ran down behind the settee cushions. In some cases the > cushions didn't get wet but we could feel the dampness on the carpet > glued to the hull. The only solution was rebedding the ports which was a > pain in the neck but worth it for the dry bilge. There are however other > sources of water. A crack in the cockpit drain tubes could allow water > in the area around the lazarette which could work its way forward if you > are bow down. There could also be leaks around stanchions and > chainplates. You might try selectively tarping parts of the boat to > narrow down the area that is leaking. > > Best of luck, > > Mary Lou > ex R22, now Rosborough RF-246 > > On 12/26/2018 9:43 PM, Alexis Seigneurin wrote: >> Hi there! >> >> Since I bought my Rhodes in November, there?s been water in the bilge. I pumped about 2 gallons of water but it came back. Since the boat is on its trailer, this is rain water. >> >> I read on this list that the centerboard pendant tube is a usual suspect, and it was indeed leaking. I replaced the tube and sealed it properly (clamp+silicone at the bottom, silicone at the top), and I confirmed today that this leak is gone. >> >> When I visited the boat today, there was again about 2 gallons of water (that is since my last visit, 2 weeks ago). I found there was water underneath the 2 drawers at the back of the cabin. I removed the settee and its support to inspect a bit more: the foam that sits underneath the cockpit was wet. >> >> I am attaching a picture of the cabin sole. You can see the wet parts on both side of the bilge. >> >> Any ideas on where this water could be coming from? >> >> Thanks, >> Alexis >> >> >> [Image] >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: Image-1.png >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 1947265 bytes >> Desc: Image-1.png >> URL: >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From rbeytagh at gmail.com Thu Dec 27 10:37:50 2018 From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (Richard Beytagh) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 10:37:50 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the cabin In-Reply-To: <088ded84-907e-b11c-1ae2-57d1bff1a858@atlanticbb.net> References: <088ded84-907e-b11c-1ae2-57d1bff1a858@atlanticbb.net> Message-ID: In the picture you have the tube going into the top of the center-board casing looks good, but the top disappears out of the pic. On my boat the top of the tube fits onto a thru-hull fitting in the cockpit coaming (also houses the Center-board hoist) Any rain falling into the cockpit should drain our through the centerboard and the aft drains. Question is where does the top of your tube go to? ~~~ _/) ~~~ Richard Beytagh Phone: 828 337 0180 On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 10:02 AM Mary Lou Troy wrote: > Hi Alexis, > We never had serious condensation issues, certainly not enough to cause > a couple of gallons to accumulate but we (in PA and Maryland) always > took most everything off of the boat in the winter and tarped it with > the companionway board partially open. > > The times we did have water in the bilge, it would take a week or so of > mopping up before it all drained forward to where we could mop it up. I > remember you said your boat is slightly bow down so you could still be > getting accumulated water coming forward. Keep mopping and be > persistent. You don't want ice forming in the hidden parts of the boat. > Ice will crack cockpit drains, the sink drain and other parts as well. > > Mary Lou ex R22, now Rosborough RF-246 > > > > On 12/27/2018 12:09 AM, Alexis Seigneurin wrote: > > Thanks, that gives me a few things to explore. The cockpit drain tubes > didn?t look pristine so definitely worth looking at. I didn?t see any > dampness in the carpet on the side of the cabin, though, so I think the > ports are good so far. > > > > One thing I noticed was water on the ?ceiling? of the cabin (there must > be a fancy name for that!) but I suspect that was condensation: we had a > sunny day that must have heated the deck and cabin top, while the water in > the bilge was cold (there was even some ice in there). I?m not excluding > leaks from chain plates or other hardware but what I saw was widespread, so > hopefully just condensation. > > > > Alexis > > > > Alexis > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Mary Lou Troy > > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 11:14 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the cabin > > > > Whenever we had water in the bilge it was almost always from leaking > > ports. The water ran down behind the settee cushions. In some cases the > > cushions didn't get wet but we could feel the dampness on the carpet > > glued to the hull. The only solution was rebedding the ports which was a > > pain in the neck but worth it for the dry bilge. There are however other > > sources of water. A crack in the cockpit drain tubes could allow water > > in the area around the lazarette which could work its way forward if you > > are bow down. There could also be leaks around stanchions and > > chainplates. You might try selectively tarping parts of the boat to > > narrow down the area that is leaking. > > > > Best of luck, > > > > Mary Lou > > ex R22, now Rosborough RF-246 > > > > On 12/26/2018 9:43 PM, Alexis Seigneurin wrote: > >> Hi there! > >> > >> Since I bought my Rhodes in November, there?s been water in the bilge. > I pumped about 2 gallons of water but it came back. Since the boat is on > its trailer, this is rain water. > >> > >> I read on this list that the centerboard pendant tube is a usual > suspect, and it was indeed leaking. I replaced the tube and sealed it > properly (clamp+silicone at the bottom, silicone at the top), and I > confirmed today that this leak is gone. > >> > >> When I visited the boat today, there was again about 2 gallons of water > (that is since my last visit, 2 weeks ago). I found there was water > underneath the 2 drawers at the back of the cabin. I removed the settee and > its support to inspect a bit more: the foam that sits underneath the > cockpit was wet. > >> > >> I am attaching a picture of the cabin sole. You can see the wet parts > on both side of the bilge. > >> > >> Any ideas on where this water could be coming from? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Alexis > >> > >> > >> [Image] > >> > >> > >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> Name: Image-1.png > >> Type: image/jpeg > >> Size: 1947265 bytes > >> Desc: Image-1.png > >> URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20181227/e04d02ac/attachment.jpe > > > >> __________________________________________________ > >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > >> > >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > >> __________________________________________________ > >> > > > > --- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From retiredtoby at gmail.com Thu Dec 27 10:45:29 2018 From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 10:45:29 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the cabin In-Reply-To: <088ded84-907e-b11c-1ae2-57d1bff1a858@atlanticbb.net> References: <088ded84-907e-b11c-1ae2-57d1bff1a858@atlanticbb.net> Message-ID: Alexis, I had a very similar problem. My problem turned out to be a forward facing port,with the screw closures. One of the seals in the opening was not sealing and allowed water drain through to the cabin and flooded the area under the bilge head area and found its way, slowly, to the main bilge area. Since the boat is at a slight tilt when on trailer,all water flows toward the stern. I f you have noticed those ports naturally catch water and will funnel it into the cabin. A noticeable clue to look for is that after a rain one of the front ports will be full of water and one is not. In my case I also had other issues with the port and had to order the whole port kit. After replacing the port, for the last three years, the bilge area is very,very dry. Good Luck on your search. Cary Tolbert S/V Whisper '86 On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 10:02 AM Mary Lou Troy wrote: > Hi Alexis, > We never had serious condensation issues, certainly not enough to cause > a couple of gallons to accumulate but we (in PA and Maryland) always > took most everything off of the boat in the winter and tarped it with > the companionway board partially open. > > The times we did have water in the bilge, it would take a week or so of > mopping up before it all drained forward to where we could mop it up. I > remember you said your boat is slightly bow down so you could still be > getting accumulated water coming forward. Keep mopping and be > persistent. You don't want ice forming in the hidden parts of the boat. > Ice will crack cockpit drains, the sink drain and other parts as well. > > Mary Lou ex R22, now Rosborough RF-246 > > > > On 12/27/2018 12:09 AM, Alexis Seigneurin wrote: > > Thanks, that gives me a few things to explore. The cockpit drain tubes > didn?t look pristine so definitely worth looking at. I didn?t see any > dampness in the carpet on the side of the cabin, though, so I think the > ports are good so far. > > > > One thing I noticed was water on the ?ceiling? of the cabin (there must > be a fancy name for that!) but I suspect that was condensation: we had a > sunny day that must have heated the deck and cabin top, while the water in > the bilge was cold (there was even some ice in there). I?m not excluding > leaks from chain plates or other hardware but what I saw was widespread, so > hopefully just condensation. > > > > Alexis > > > > Alexis > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Mary Lou Troy > > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 11:14 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the cabin > > > > Whenever we had water in the bilge it was almost always from leaking > > ports. The water ran down behind the settee cushions. In some cases the > > cushions didn't get wet but we could feel the dampness on the carpet > > glued to the hull. The only solution was rebedding the ports which was a > > pain in the neck but worth it for the dry bilge. There are however other > > sources of water. A crack in the cockpit drain tubes could allow water > > in the area around the lazarette which could work its way forward if you > > are bow down. There could also be leaks around stanchions and > > chainplates. You might try selectively tarping parts of the boat to > > narrow down the area that is leaking. > > > > Best of luck, > > > > Mary Lou > > ex R22, now Rosborough RF-246 > > > > On 12/26/2018 9:43 PM, Alexis Seigneurin wrote: > >> Hi there! > >> > >> Since I bought my Rhodes in November, there?s been water in the bilge. > I pumped about 2 gallons of water but it came back. Since the boat is on > its trailer, this is rain water. > >> > >> I read on this list that the centerboard pendant tube is a usual > suspect, and it was indeed leaking. I replaced the tube and sealed it > properly (clamp+silicone at the bottom, silicone at the top), and I > confirmed today that this leak is gone. > >> > >> When I visited the boat today, there was again about 2 gallons of water > (that is since my last visit, 2 weeks ago). I found there was water > underneath the 2 drawers at the back of the cabin. I removed the settee and > its support to inspect a bit more: the foam that sits underneath the > cockpit was wet. > >> > >> I am attaching a picture of the cabin sole. You can see the wet parts > on both side of the bilge. > >> > >> Any ideas on where this water could be coming from? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Alexis > >> > >> > >> [Image] > >> > >> > >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> Name: Image-1.png > >> Type: image/jpeg > >> Size: 1947265 bytes > >> Desc: Image-1.png > >> URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20181227/e04d02ac/attachment.jpe > > > >> __________________________________________________ > >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > >> > >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > >> __________________________________________________ > >> > > > > --- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com Thu Dec 27 12:01:16 2018 From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 12:01:16 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the cabin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Check your seat drain tubes in the cockpit. Also on the trailer if you tilt the boat up at the tongue too much water skips the drains and runs in over the lip of the stern cockpit locker and this drains into the bilge. > On Dec 26, 2018, at 9:43 PM, Alexis Seigneurin wrote: > > Hi there! > > Since I bought my Rhodes in November, there?s been water in the bilge. I pumped about 2 gallons of water but it came back. Since the boat is on its trailer, this is rain water. > > I read on this list that the centerboard pendant tube is a usual suspect, and it was indeed leaking. I replaced the tube and sealed it properly (clamp+silicone at the bottom, silicone at the top), and I confirmed today that this leak is gone. > > When I visited the boat today, there was again about 2 gallons of water (that is since my last visit, 2 weeks ago). I found there was water underneath the 2 drawers at the back of the cabin. I removed the settee and its support to inspect a bit more: the foam that sits underneath the cockpit was wet. > > I am attaching a picture of the cabin sole. You can see the wet parts on both side of the bilge. > > Any ideas on where this water could be coming from? > > Thanks, > Alexis > > > [Image] > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Image-1.png > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 1947265 bytes > Desc: Image-1.png > URL: > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Thu Dec 27 14:57:26 2018 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 14:57:26 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the cabin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00db01d49e1e$641b3860$2c51a920$@ca> I will be interested in following this discussion as I have a similar problem made all the more frustrating by the fact that the leaks are intermittent. It all comes from rain - but not always. Perhaps the leaks only occur with heavy downpours. I tired flooding the boat with a hose to locate the leak but, of course, it refused to give up its secrets. I know that occasionally I get water dripping out from between the cabin and liner below the companionway. I thought that water might be getting in around the compass and knotlog but, again, I could not duplicate the leak using the hose. Finally, I get water in the lazarette but can't find the source using the hose. The only solution that I can think of is to have my wife stay in the closed lazarette until we have a particularly heavy rainfall. She is not being entirely cooperative in that regard in spite of the fact that she fits perfectly. I am too tall and my knees to rickety for this task. Suggestion for how to trace the leaks or persuade my wife to stay in the lazarette would be welcome. Graham Stewart Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Alexis Seigneurin Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 9:44 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the cabin Hi there! Since I bought my Rhodes in November, there's been water in the bilge. I pumped about 2 gallons of water but it came back. Since the boat is on its trailer, this is rain water. I read on this list that the centerboard pendant tube is a usual suspect, and it was indeed leaking. I replaced the tube and sealed it properly (clamp+silicone at the bottom, silicone at the top), and I confirmed today that this leak is gone. When I visited the boat today, there was again about 2 gallons of water (that is since my last visit, 2 weeks ago). I found there was water underneath the 2 drawers at the back of the cabin. I removed the settee and its support to inspect a bit more: the foam that sits underneath the cockpit was wet. I am attaching a picture of the cabin sole. You can see the wet parts on both side of the bilge. Any ideas on where this water could be coming from? Thanks, Alexis [Image] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Image-1.png Type: image/jpeg Size: 1947265 bytes Desc: Image-1.png URL: __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Thu Dec 27 15:14:43 2018 From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 15:14:43 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the cabin In-Reply-To: <00db01d49e1e$641b3860$2c51a920$@ca> References: <00db01d49e1e$641b3860$2c51a920$@ca> Message-ID: <3360a905-bfe7-b3a0-98a7-78276b70ed30@atlanticbb.net> Fred and I brainstormed. Boat not level, water over the lip of the lazarette opening, split in seat drain hose(s), leak around hinge, leak around gas boot, wind-driven rain driving rain under lazarette hatch, blockage in cockpit and/or seat drains, leak around mast wiring connector bases (collects in the light cover - need to be persistnet to fix it), leaks around the fixed or opening ports, leaks around the chainplates (these do need to be rebedded occasionally, leaks at the rubrail (generally not rain related, mostly underway when heeled), leak in the sink drain hose (leak when you use the sink or underway when heeled.) We didn't have below the water thruhulls but those are also possibilities. Suggestion. Hire a 10 year-old for the lazarette with a bonus if you find the leak. Happy hunting and happy new year. Mary Lou ex R22, now Rosborough RF-246 On 12/27/2018 2:57 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: > I will be interested in following this discussion as I have a similar > problem made all the more frustrating by the fact that the leaks are > intermittent. It all comes from rain - but not always. Perhaps the leaks > only occur with heavy downpours. > > I tired flooding the boat with a hose to locate the leak but, of course, it > refused to give up its secrets. I know that occasionally I get water > dripping out from between the cabin and liner below the companionway. I > thought that water might be getting in around the compass and knotlog but, > again, I could not duplicate the leak using the hose. > > Finally, I get water in the lazarette but can't find the source using the > hose. The only solution that I can think of is to have my wife stay in the > closed lazarette until we have a particularly heavy rainfall. She is not > being entirely cooperative in that regard in spite of the fact that she fits > perfectly. I am too tall and my knees to rickety for this task. > > Suggestion for how to trace the leaks or persuade my wife to stay in the > lazarette would be welcome. > > Graham Stewart > Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 > Kingston Ontario > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of > Alexis Seigneurin > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 9:44 PM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the cabin > > Hi there! > > Since I bought my Rhodes in November, there's been water in the bilge. I > pumped about 2 gallons of water but it came back. Since the boat is on its > trailer, this is rain water. > > I read on this list that the centerboard pendant tube is a usual suspect, > and it was indeed leaking. I replaced the tube and sealed it properly > (clamp+silicone at the bottom, silicone at the top), and I confirmed today > that this leak is gone. > > When I visited the boat today, there was again about 2 gallons of water > (that is since my last visit, 2 weeks ago). I found there was water > underneath the 2 drawers at the back of the cabin. I removed the settee and > its support to inspect a bit more: the foam that sits underneath the cockpit > was wet. > > I am attaching a picture of the cabin sole. You can see the wet parts on > both side of the bilge. > > Any ideas on where this water could be coming from? > > Thanks, > Alexis > > > [Image] > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Image-1.png > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 1947265 bytes > Desc: Image-1.png > URL: > ttachment.jpe> > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From eandsmoore at hughes.net Thu Dec 27 15:14:56 2018 From: eandsmoore at hughes.net (Ellyn and Sam Moore) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 15:14:56 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the cabin In-Reply-To: <00db01d49e1e$641b3860$2c51a920$@ca> References: <00db01d49e1e$641b3860$2c51a920$@ca> Message-ID: Cut a large hole in the lazarette so she can stand comfortably, and a good light will help. Seeing water run across fiberglass can be difficult, I like to use brown paper to indicate dampness. Sam Moore ?77 Rhodes Continental > On Dec 27, 2018, at 2:57 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: > > I > > > Suggestion for how to trace the leaks or persuade my wife to stay in the > lazarette would be welcome. > > Graham Stewart > Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 > Kingston Ontario > > > > -----Original Message----- From alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com Fri Dec 28 00:01:52 2018 From: alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com (Alexis Seigneurin) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2018 00:01:52 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the cabin In-Reply-To: References: <00db01d49e1e$641b3860$2c51a920$@ca> Message-ID: Thanks all for the suggestions! I will keep looking and will let you know if I find the source of the problem. Richard, to answer your question, the tube you saw on the picture houses the centerboard pendant. Alexis On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 3:15 PM Ellyn and Sam Moore wrote: > Cut a large hole in the lazarette so she can stand comfortably, and a good > light will help. > > Seeing water run across fiberglass can be difficult, I like to use brown > paper to indicate > dampness. > > Sam Moore ?77 Rhodes Continental > > > > On Dec 27, 2018, at 2:57 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: > > > > I > > > > > > Suggestion for how to trace the leaks or persuade my wife to stay in the > > lazarette would be welcome. > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From wpdavidge at gmail.com Sun Dec 23 21:26:12 2018 From: wpdavidge at gmail.com (Bill) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2018 21:26:12 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Ridgeline Test Drive In-Reply-To: References: <1910038864.8391376.1545540949047.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1910038864.8391376.1545540949047@mail.yahoo.com> <14CEBD64-4092-4431-895F-3EC1AED6A6EF@gmail.com> <4075ofi5ira2bvvn9dnepjqa.1545578131523@Dartmouth.edu> Message-ID: Bill Davidge My new Ford f 150 (2.7L EcoBeost V6) did the job 16mpg pulling Shadow from Toledo to Annapolis MD. On the way back the Gas mileage 26 mpg. [image: IMG_0079.jpg] On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 10:55 AM Luis Guzman wrote: > it' actually the same diesel engine. > > On Sun, Dec 23, 2018, 10:15 AM C. Robert Lester < > C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote: > > > Jeep GC, 6 cylinder, ecodiesel works too! > > Also my daily driver. > > Merry Christmas! > > > > Bob > > > > '84 Orion > > > > From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com > > Sent: December 23, 2018 7:49 AM > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > > Reply-to: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Ridgeline Test Drive > > > > > > The Ram 1500 with the 6 cylinder ecodiesel will tow it for sure, and the > > miles per gallon is not bad at all for a truck. > > > > Luis > > S/V Aquetxali > > > > > > On Sun, Dec 23, 2018, 7:20 AM Goodness wrote: > > > > > Buy American! Get a real tow vehicle. You wont regret it. > > > > > > > On Dec 22, 2018, at 11:55 PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list < > > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > We test drove a 2019 Ridgeline today and were impressed. But, it's > > > difficult to evaluate how well it will tow. Although some people have > > > responded in a previous thread, has anyone specifically towed their > > Rhodes > > > with a dual-axle trailer in hilly countryside with a late model > > Ridgeline? > > > I'm also thinking about a Nissan Pathfinder or possibly a Titan. The > > Titan > > > will certainly handle this load, but it also means a large vehicle for > > > everyday driving. Any opinions are welcome. > > > > Don Simons,Ithaca, NY > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > > > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rhodes22.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Frhodes22-list&data=02%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7C697806cef4c04c73a0e708d668d51bb6%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C1%7C636811661835209343&sdata=vlMKhyJEu18jZrJkVdQPRF4NsluQ0OTdeDWRjSXVywE%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and > archives > > > go to > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rhodes22.org%2Flist&data=02%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7C697806cef4c04c73a0e708d668d51bb6%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C1%7C636811661835219347&sdata=nr6TledpSD9b5rYlhKvbaV%2B3U0xG6Gd%2FM5XFcAnLajE%3D&reserved=0 > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > > > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rhodes22.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Frhodes22-list&data=02%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7C697806cef4c04c73a0e708d668d51bb6%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C1%7C636811661835219347&sdata=ccgH6xRmIW%2Biaf45Ev3Uxv0pujCwn3AzaWjZcSX5hfM%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go > > > to > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rhodes22.org%2Flist&data=02%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7C697806cef4c04c73a0e708d668d51bb6%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C1%7C636811661835219347&sdata=nr6TledpSD9b5rYlhKvbaV%2B3U0xG6Gd%2FM5XFcAnLajE%3D&reserved=0 > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rhodes22.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Frhodes22-list&data=02%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7C697806cef4c04c73a0e708d668d51bb6%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C1%7C636811661835219347&sdata=ccgH6xRmIW%2Biaf45Ev3Uxv0pujCwn3AzaWjZcSX5hfM%3D&reserved=0 > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > > to > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rhodes22.org%2Flist&data=02%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7C697806cef4c04c73a0e708d668d51bb6%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C1%7C636811661835219347&sdata=nr6TledpSD9b5rYlhKvbaV%2B3U0xG6Gd%2FM5XFcAnLajE%3D&reserved=0 > > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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[image: IMG_0079.jpg] On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 10:55 AM Luis Guzman wrote: > it' actually the same diesel engine. > > On Sun, Dec 23, 2018, 10:15 AM C. Robert Lester < > C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote: > > > Jeep GC, 6 cylinder, ecodiesel works too! > > Also my daily driver. > > Merry Christmas! > > > > Bob > > > > '84 Orion > > > > From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com > > Sent: December 23, 2018 7:49 AM > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > > Reply-to: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Ridgeline Test Drive > > > > > > The Ram 1500 with the 6 cylinder ecodiesel will tow it for sure, and the > > miles per gallon is not bad at all for a truck. > > > > Luis > > S/V Aquetxali > > > > > > On Sun, Dec 23, 2018, 7:20 AM Goodness wrote: > > > > > Buy American!? Get a real tow vehicle.? You wont regret it. > > > > > > > On Dec 22, 2018, at 11:55 PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list < > > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > We test drove a 2019 Ridgeline today and were impressed.? But, it's > > > difficult to evaluate how well it will tow.? Although some people have > > > responded in a previous thread, has anyone specifically towed their > > Rhodes > > > with a dual-axle trailer in hilly countryside with a late model > > Ridgeline? > > > I'm also thinking about a Nissan Pathfinder or possibly a Titan. The > > Titan > > > will certainly handle this load, but it also means a large vehicle for > > > everyday driving.? Any opinions are welcome. > > > > Don Simons,Ithaca, NY > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > > > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rhodes22.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Frhodes22-list&data=02%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7C697806cef4c04c73a0e708d668d51bb6%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C1%7C636811661835209343&sdata=vlMKhyJEu18jZrJkVdQPRF4NsluQ0OTdeDWRjSXVywE%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and > archives > > > go to > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rhodes22.org%2Flist&data=02%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7C697806cef4c04c73a0e708d668d51bb6%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C1%7C636811661835219347&sdata=nr6TledpSD9b5rYlhKvbaV%2B3U0xG6Gd%2FM5XFcAnLajE%3D&reserved=0 > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > > > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rhodes22.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Frhodes22-list&data=02%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7C697806cef4c04c73a0e708d668d51bb6%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C1%7C636811661835219347&sdata=ccgH6xRmIW%2Biaf45Ev3Uxv0pujCwn3AzaWjZcSX5hfM%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go > > > to > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rhodes22.org%2Flist&data=02%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7C697806cef4c04c73a0e708d668d51bb6%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C1%7C636811661835219347&sdata=nr6TledpSD9b5rYlhKvbaV%2B3U0xG6Gd%2FM5XFcAnLajE%3D&reserved=0 > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rhodes22.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Frhodes22-list&data=02%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7C697806cef4c04c73a0e708d668d51bb6%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C1%7C636811661835219347&sdata=ccgH6xRmIW%2Biaf45Ev3Uxv0pujCwn3AzaWjZcSX5hfM%3D&reserved=0 > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > > to > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rhodes22.org%2Flist&data=02%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7C697806cef4c04c73a0e708d668d51bb6%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C1%7C636811661835219347&sdata=nr6TledpSD9b5rYlhKvbaV%2B3U0xG6Gd%2FM5XFcAnLajE%3D&reserved=0 > > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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