[Rhodes22-list] Doyle UPS

Tue Jan 23 00:31:57 EST 2018

Actually, Jay Friedland was the ringleader and actually shepherded the 
group deal through. I just helped keep it going. Paul Beaudoin who 
helped us from the Doyle side still works for Doyle or at least did a 
year or two ago when I saw him in the booth at the Annapolis show. Jay 
is still a member of the list but doesn't post very often. You might 
hunt up his email and shoot him a private message about his experiences 
with the sail. We were pretty much fair weather sailors. Jay was more 
adventurous.

Mary Lou

On 1/22/2018 11:42 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote:
> Mary Lou,
>
> You were not a participant.  You were a ring-leader.
>
> Thanks for the input.  I hope you’re enjoying your new boat.
>
> —Peter
>
>
>> On Jan 22, 2018, at 11:00 PM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Peter,
>>
>> We were one of the original participants in that discussion. We have since sold Fretless (and gone over to the dark side) but we did order the UPS sail and used it off and on for more than 10 years.
>>
>> It was a wonderfully fun, forgiving sail to play with. It did take some additional effort to get it set up each time you used it, more effort than we laid back Rhodies with our furling sails were used to (halyards? what are they? ;-) )  You couldn't leave it set up all the time but rather had to attach the halyards, run the sheets and hoist it each time you wanted to use it.
>>
>> That said, we enjoyed using it when conditions were right and we had the time to play with it. It cannot be used to point as high as a regular genoa but was good for anything from a reach to dead downwind. You could sail above a beam reach in winds from 3-4 knots to somewhere around 7 or 8 knots though that might have been pushing it a bit. Off the wind it was good for a little more wind. The sail fabric is more like a spinnaker cloth. Because it can't point point as high as regular jib, I wouldn't think of it as an all purpose light air sail.
>>
>> There are several people on this list who have replaced their 175 genoa with something smaller. Hopefully, they'll pipe up about that to give you the other part of the equation.
>>
>> I've attached a couple of old photos of Fretless showing off her UPS.
>>
>> Hope this helps your thinking,
>>
>> Mary Lou
>>
>> ex Rhodes 22
>>
>> now Rosborough RF-246  Tara
>>
>>
>> On 1/22/2018 10:08 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote:
>>> Before I bought my Rhodes 22, I spent many hours looking through the archives of this email list, and since I’ve owned Silverheels, I usually spend some time during the long New England winters going back again to look for nuggets of wisdom or inspiration. Which is what I’ve been doing lately.
>>>
>>> Back in the winter and early spring of 2003, there was much discussion of what I think was a fairly new type of head sail from Doyle.  At least it appeared to be new to the people on the list at that time.  It’s called the ‘UPS’. That stands for Utility Power Sail. It’s still available from Doyle, otherwise I wouldn’t be bringing it up now. (http://www.doylesails.com/cruising/downwind/ups/index.html)
>>>
>>> It’s a large sail, probably a bit larger than the 175% genoa. The sail fabric is lighter than used for the genoa.  It does not use the head-stay for support, instead it requires an eye on the fore-deck and a halyard. In recent searches I’ve seen it referred to as a ‘code 0’ or a ‘code 1’, if those are terms that mean anything to you.
>>>
>>> Back in 2003, not everyone who showed an interest explained clearly why they were interested.  But at least a few where thinking then along the same lines that I’m thinking now.
>>>
>>> I want to be able to sail better in heavy weather.
>>>
>>> There’s a bit of a bank-shot in my thinking here.  The UPS is not a heavy weather sail.  But then, neither is my 175% genoa.  The big genoa can be reefed in higher winds, but a bit of reading on the Internet reveals that I’m not the only person who feels that it really doesn’t perform that well.  So, step one would be to replace my old and tired 175% genoa with something like a 135% genoa.  But then for light air sailing (i.e. most days) supplement that with the UPS.
>>>
>>> As I said, back in the archives there’s lots of chatter in Winter and early Spring of 2003 about the UPS.  Several people claim to have ordered one, a few people claim to have received one, there are one or two initial installation reports, and then for the rest of the year there’s nothing.
>>>
>>> My primary purpose for this post is to ask if there’s anyone out there using a Doyle UPS (or something similar) who would be willing to enlighten us about the pros and cons and ins and outs and hows and whys.
>>>
>>> But, if there’s anyone interested in having a new conversation about this subject, or anything related (or really anything at all, except politics), I’m certainly open for that as well.
>>>
>>> When does the ice thaw?
>>>
>>> Peter Nyberg
>>> Coventry, CT
>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>>>
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