From alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 15:17:09 2018 From: alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com (Alexis Seigneurin) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 15:17:09 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Steps to raise/lower mast Message-ID: Hi there! I am new to Rhodes 22 boats and I am looking for instructions to raise and lower the mast. Is there something like an instructions manual available somewhere? If there are images/diagrams, that's even better! Thanks, Alexis From ccowie at cowieassociates.com Tue Nov 6 15:20:33 2018 From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 20:20:33 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Steps to raise/lower mast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you search the archives you can find a video that shows raising and lowering. There are also detailed instructions available if you are using the mast hoist system. Christopher P. Cowie? ?? 700 N Fairfax Street Suite 304 Alexandria, Virginia 22314 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] Please consider the environment before printing this email. -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Alexis Seigneurin Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2018 3:17 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Steps to raise/lower mast Hi there! I am new to Rhodes 22 boats and I am looking for instructions to raise and lower the mast. Is there something like an instructions manual available somewhere? If there are images/diagrams, that's even better! Thanks, Alexis __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From ccowie at cowieassociates.com Tue Nov 6 15:23:25 2018 From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 20:23:25 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Steps to raise/lower mast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here is a link to the General Boats Rhodes 22 literature on the 1988 mast raising. http://www.rhodes22.org/doclib/Rhodes22-1988-MastHoist-Raven.pdf Christopher P. Cowie? ?? 700 N Fairfax Street Suite 304 Alexandria, Virginia 22314 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] Please consider the environment before printing this email. -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Alexis Seigneurin Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2018 3:17 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Steps to raise/lower mast Hi there! I am new to Rhodes 22 boats and I am looking for instructions to raise and lower the mast. Is there something like an instructions manual available somewhere? If there are images/diagrams, that's even better! Thanks, Alexis __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From ccowie at cowieassociates.com Tue Nov 6 15:25:18 2018 From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 20:25:18 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Steps to raise/lower mast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I prepared a check list in 2010 for my Rhodes 22 2008 that I am trying to enclose in this email. Christopher P. Cowie? ?? 700 N Fairfax Street Suite 304 Alexandria, Virginia 22314 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] Please consider the environment before printing this email. -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Alexis Seigneurin Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2018 3:17 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Steps to raise/lower mast Hi there! I am new to Rhodes 22 boats and I am looking for instructions to raise and lower the mast. Is there something like an instructions manual available somewhere? If there are images/diagrams, that's even better! Thanks, Alexis __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: mast_hoist_01.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 41246 bytes Desc: mast_hoist_01.pdf URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: mast_hoist_02.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 41063 bytes Desc: mast_hoist_02.pdf URL: From peter at sunnybeeches.com Tue Nov 6 15:35:46 2018 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 15:35:46 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Steps to raise/lower mast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alexis, Welcome to the group, and congratulations on what I assume is the recent purchase of a Rhodes 22. Chris Cowie got to the reply button quicker than I did (twice now, he?s fast), but I?ll add a few points.. It matters whether your boat has the In Mast Furling (IMF) mainsail or a standard mainsail (the IMF mast is heavier). As Chris suggests, it matters whether or not you?ve got mast raising and lowering equipment made by General Boats. With the General Boats equipment (and some practice) raising and lowering the mast is a pretty easy process. Without it, well I?m not sure, I have the General Boat equipment so I?ve never had to do it another way. There?s been a few versions of the raising and lowering equipment over the years, but it usually involves a winch on about a 4 foot ?gin pole?, and about a 6 foot tall crutch that mounts at the stern of the boat which catches the mast before it?s fully horizontal. Let us know more about your new (to you) boat. Also, it might be helpful to know where your boat is. There might be another Rhodie nearby. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On Nov 6, 2018, at 3:17 PM, Alexis Seigneurin wrote: > > Hi there! > > I am new to Rhodes 22 boats and I am looking for instructions to raise and > lower the mast. Is there something like an instructions manual available > somewhere? If there are images/diagrams, that's even better! > > Thanks, > Alexis > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From talmorin at hotmail.com Tue Nov 6 16:05:54 2018 From: talmorin at hotmail.com (Thomas s) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 21:05:54 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Steps to raise/lower mast In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: If you are new to the list, the attachments that Chris is refering to are down at the very bottom of the email. There are 2 URls that lead to PDFs. That is generally how attachments work on this particular list. Welcome! Tom S/V Just Bent 2001 Rhodes 22 ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Chris Cowie Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 2:25 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Steps to raise/lower mast I prepared a check list in 2010 for my Rhodes 22 2008 that I am trying to enclose in this email. Christopher P. Cowie 700 N Fairfax Street Suite 304 Alexandria, Virginia 22314 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] Please consider the environment before printing this email. -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Alexis Seigneurin Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2018 3:17 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Steps to raise/lower mast Hi there! I am new to Rhodes 22 boats and I am looking for instructions to raise and lower the mast. 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Right now, she is in Edenton and I need to pick her up in the coming weeks. I will keep her in Deltaville, Virginia, and sail in the Chesapeake Bay area. Shadow has an IMF, and I believe (I hope!) the equipment you are referring to is on board. I'm a bit dreading the moment when I will have to raise or lower the mast by myself for the first time, but hopefully this will be a smooth process! Alexis On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 4:05 PM Thomas s wrote: > If you are new to the list, the attachments that Chris is refering to are > down at the very bottom of the email. There are 2 URls that lead to PDFs. > That is generally how attachments work on this particular list. > > Welcome! > > Tom > S/V Just Bent > 2001 Rhodes 22 > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Chris Cowie > Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 2:25 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Steps to raise/lower mast > > I prepared a check list in 2010 for my Rhodes 22 2008 that I am trying to > enclose in this email. > > Christopher P. Cowie > > 700 N Fairfax Street > Suite 304 > Alexandria, Virginia 22314 > 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] > > > > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Alexis Seigneurin > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2018 3:17 PM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Steps to raise/lower mast > > Hi there! > > I am new to Rhodes 22 boats and I am looking for instructions to raise and > lower the mast. Is there something like an instructions manual available > somewhere? If there are images/diagrams, that's even better! > > Thanks, > Alexis > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: mast_hoist_01.pdf > Type: application/pdf > Size: 41246 bytes > Desc: mast_hoist_01.pdf > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20181106/6bad3c63/attachment.pdf > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: mast_hoist_02.pdf > Type: application/pdf > Size: 41063 bytes > Desc: mast_hoist_02.pdf > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20181106/6bad3c63/attachment-0001.pdf > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 16:20:36 2018 From: alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com (Alexis Seigneurin) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 16:20:36 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Steps to raise/lower mast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh, Peter, I just read your signature in your email and realized the name "Silverheels" sounded familiar! I have watched quite a few of your videos on Youtube. Very interesting! I get to learn a lot about how the Rhodes 22 is built. Thank you for that! Alexis On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 4:16 PM Alexis Seigneurin < alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks Chris for the documents, and thanks Thomas for pointing where to > find them! I will study that. > > Thanks Peter for your warm welcome! To answer your questions, I acquired > Shadow at the Annapolis Boat Show last month. Shadow was built in 1992, > recycled in 2007, and has been sailed in Michigan since then. Right now, > she is in Edenton and I need to pick her up in the coming weeks. I will > keep her in Deltaville, Virginia, and sail in the Chesapeake Bay area. > Shadow has an IMF, and I believe (I hope!) the equipment you are referring > to is on board. > > I'm a bit dreading the moment when I will have to raise or lower the mast > by myself for the first time, but hopefully this will be a smooth process! > > Alexis > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 4:05 PM Thomas s wrote: > >> If you are new to the list, the attachments that Chris is refering to are >> down at the very bottom of the email. There are 2 URls that lead to PDFs. >> That is generally how attachments work on this particular list. >> >> Welcome! >> >> Tom >> S/V Just Bent >> 2001 Rhodes 22 >> ________________________________ >> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of >> Chris Cowie >> Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 2:25 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Steps to raise/lower mast >> >> I prepared a check list in 2010 for my Rhodes 22 2008 that I am trying to >> enclose in this email. >> >> Christopher P. Cowie >> >> 700 N Fairfax Street >> Suite 304 >> Alexandria, Virginia 22314 >> 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile >> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] >> >> >> >> Please consider the environment before printing this email. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of >> Alexis Seigneurin >> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2018 3:17 PM >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Steps to raise/lower mast >> >> Hi there! >> >> I am new to Rhodes 22 boats and I am looking for instructions to raise >> and lower the mast. Is there something like an instructions manual >> available somewhere? If there are images/diagrams, that's even better! >> >> Thanks, >> Alexis >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: mast_hoist_01.pdf >> Type: application/pdf >> Size: 41246 bytes >> Desc: mast_hoist_01.pdf >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20181106/6bad3c63/attachment.pdf >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: mast_hoist_02.pdf >> Type: application/pdf >> Size: 41063 bytes >> Desc: mast_hoist_02.pdf >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20181106/6bad3c63/attachment-0001.pdf >> > >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> > From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Tue Nov 6 16:29:52 2018 From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 16:29:52 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Steps to raise/lower mast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4e10bdc9-dfe8-81f1-214c-e701841f90ed@atlanticbb.net> If you are picking her up in Edenton, ask for a demonstration. Take lots of pictures. When we picked up our boat (back in the days of Kodachrome) we did that and it made alt the difference the first time we had to do it ourselves. Note that there have been a few variations in the equipment over the years so this will give you a good opportunity to see how yours works. Congratulations on your Rhodes. It's a great boat for the bay. We had ours for 18 wonderful years and sailed her all over the the upper Bay before finally selling her a couple of years ago. You'll find this email list a great resource and if you are on Facebook there is also a Facebook group for Rhodes 22 owners. Mary Lou ex Rhodes 22 now Rosborough RF 246 Tara Rock Hall, MD On 11/6/2018 4:16 PM, Alexis Seigneurin wrote: > Thanks Chris for the documents, and thanks Thomas for pointing where to > find them! I will study that. > > Thanks Peter for your warm welcome! To answer your questions, I acquired > Shadow at the Annapolis Boat Show last month. Shadow was built in 1992, > recycled in 2007, and has been sailed in Michigan since then. Right now, > she is in Edenton and I need to pick her up in the coming weeks. I will > keep her in Deltaville, Virginia, and sail in the Chesapeake Bay area. > Shadow has an IMF, and I believe (I hope!) the equipment you are referring > to is on board. > > I'm a bit dreading the moment when I will have to raise or lower the mast > by myself for the first time, but hopefully this will be a smooth process! > > Alexis > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 4:05 PM Thomas s wrote: > >> If you are new to the list, the attachments that Chris is refering to are >> down at the very bottom of the email. There are 2 URls that lead to PDFs. >> That is generally how attachments work on this particular list. >> >> Welcome! >> >> Tom >> S/V Just Bent >> 2001 Rhodes 22 >> ________________________________ >> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of >> Chris Cowie >> Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 2:25 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Steps to raise/lower mast >> >> I prepared a check list in 2010 for my Rhodes 22 2008 that I am trying to >> enclose in this email. >> >> Christopher P. Cowie >> >> 700 N Fairfax Street >> Suite 304 >> Alexandria, Virginia 22314 >> 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile >> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] >> >> >> >> Please consider the environment before printing this email. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of >> Alexis Seigneurin >> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2018 3:17 PM >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Steps to raise/lower mast >> >> Hi there! >> >> I am new to Rhodes 22 boats and I am looking for instructions to raise and >> lower the mast. Is there something like an instructions manual available >> somewhere? If there are images/diagrams, that's even better! >> >> Thanks, >> Alexis >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: mast_hoist_01.pdf >> Type: application/pdf >> Size: 41246 bytes >> Desc: mast_hoist_01.pdf >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20181106/6bad3c63/attachment.pdf >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: mast_hoist_02.pdf >> Type: application/pdf >> Size: 41063 bytes >> Desc: mast_hoist_02.pdf >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20181106/6bad3c63/attachment-0001.pdf >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From blue66corvette at hotmail.com Tue Nov 6 16:34:59 2018 From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 21:34:59 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Steps to raise/lower mast In-Reply-To: <4e10bdc9-dfe8-81f1-214c-e701841f90ed@atlanticbb.net> References: , <4e10bdc9-dfe8-81f1-214c-e701841f90ed@atlanticbb.net> Message-ID: If you are using the mast raising system; then double congrats are in order..... go to sailingtexas.com ... it is a web site to buy and sell sail boats all over cuz Texas is just a state of mind.... anyway.... there are a couple videos of from David Culp using the mast raising system on his (now mine) Rhodes 22 ... it should help a lot Charlie s/v Daydreams 98 Rhodes 22 ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Mary Lou Troy Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 3:29 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Steps to raise/lower mast If you are picking her up in Edenton, ask for a demonstration. Take lots of pictures. When we picked up our boat (back in the days of Kodachrome) we did that and it made alt the difference the first time we had to do it ourselves. Note that there have been a few variations in the equipment over the years so this will give you a good opportunity to see how yours works. Congratulations on your Rhodes. It's a great boat for the bay. We had ours for 18 wonderful years and sailed her all over the the upper Bay before finally selling her a couple of years ago. You'll find this email list a great resource and if you are on Facebook there is also a Facebook group for Rhodes 22 owners. Mary Lou ex Rhodes 22 now Rosborough RF 246 Tara Rock Hall, MD On 11/6/2018 4:16 PM, Alexis Seigneurin wrote: > Thanks Chris for the documents, and thanks Thomas for pointing where to > find them! I will study that. > > Thanks Peter for your warm welcome! To answer your questions, I acquired > Shadow at the Annapolis Boat Show last month. Shadow was built in 1992, > recycled in 2007, and has been sailed in Michigan since then. Right now, > she is in Edenton and I need to pick her up in the coming weeks. I will > keep her in Deltaville, Virginia, and sail in the Chesapeake Bay area. > Shadow has an IMF, and I believe (I hope!) the equipment you are referring > to is on board. > > I'm a bit dreading the moment when I will have to raise or lower the mast > by myself for the first time, but hopefully this will be a smooth process! > > Alexis > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 4:05 PM Thomas s wrote: > >> If you are new to the list, the attachments that Chris is refering to are >> down at the very bottom of the email. There are 2 URls that lead to PDFs. >> That is generally how attachments work on this particular list. >> >> Welcome! >> >> Tom >> S/V Just Bent >> 2001 Rhodes 22 >> ________________________________ >> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of >> Chris Cowie >> Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 2:25 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Steps to raise/lower mast >> >> I prepared a check list in 2010 for my Rhodes 22 2008 that I am trying to >> enclose in this email. >> >> Christopher P. Cowie >> >> 700 N Fairfax Street >> Suite 304 >> Alexandria, Virginia 22314 >> 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile >> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] >> >> >> >> Please consider the environment before printing this email. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of >> Alexis Seigneurin >> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2018 3:17 PM >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Steps to raise/lower mast >> >> Hi there! >> >> I am new to Rhodes 22 boats and I am looking for instructions to raise and >> lower the mast. Is there something like an instructions manual available >> somewhere? If there are images/diagrams, that's even better! >> >> Thanks, >> Alexis >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: mast_hoist_01.pdf >> Type: application/pdf >> Size: 41246 bytes >> Desc: mast_hoist_01.pdf >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20181106/6bad3c63/attachment.pdf >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: mast_hoist_02.pdf >> Type: application/pdf >> Size: 41063 bytes >> Desc: mast_hoist_02.pdf >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20181106/6bad3c63/attachment-0001.pdf >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From mike at traildesign.com Tue Nov 6 22:53:03 2018 From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 21:53:03 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Steps to raise/lower mast In-Reply-To: References: <4e10bdc9-dfe8-81f1-214c-e701841f90ed@atlanticbb.net> Message-ID: I just picked up our Rhodes 22 at the plant in Edenton in August and Tino had me raise and lower the mast a few times when he was going over the many systems. In my mind I thought "well this is pretty straight forward" and it is. However there is a process to follow to make sure it's done correctly. FORTUNATELY for me, my fianc? recorded the whole thing on her phone and I was able to go back and watch it, when I didn't get it right the first time I set it up at home. I later pared it down to just a few minutes to get the highlights and now can execute it with confidence. The GB mast raising system is a must. It works incredibly well. Mary Lou is right, RECORD all the processes. The owners manual has a lot of good info. and this list is invaluable. You'll not find a more knowledgable or helpful group of sailors anywhere. But it's nice to have the videos to fall back on. My .02 SV EMMA B Michael Riter President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training mike at traildesign.com 678-410-8021 On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 3:36 PM Charles Nieman wrote: > If you are using the mast raising system; then double congrats are in > order..... go to sailingtexas.com ... it is a web site to buy and sell > sail boats all over cuz Texas is just a state of mind.... anyway.... there > are a couple videos of from David Culp using the mast raising system on his > (now mine) Rhodes 22 ... it should help a lot > > Charlie > s/v Daydreams > 98 Rhodes 22 > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Mary Lou Troy > Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 3:29 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Steps to raise/lower mast > > If you are picking her up in Edenton, ask for a demonstration. Take lots > of pictures. When we picked up our boat (back in the days of Kodachrome) > we did that and it made alt the difference the first time we had to do > it ourselves. Note that there have been a few variations in the > equipment over the years so this will give you a good opportunity to see > how yours works. > > Congratulations on your Rhodes. It's a great boat for the bay. We had > ours for 18 wonderful years and sailed her all over the the upper Bay > before finally selling her a couple of years ago. > > You'll find this email list a great resource and if you are on Facebook > there is also a Facebook group for Rhodes 22 owners. > > Mary Lou > ex Rhodes 22 > now Rosborough RF 246 Tara > Rock Hall, MD > > > > On 11/6/2018 4:16 PM, Alexis Seigneurin wrote: > > Thanks Chris for the documents, and thanks Thomas for pointing where to > > find them! I will study that. > > > > Thanks Peter for your warm welcome! To answer your questions, I acquired > > Shadow at the Annapolis Boat Show last month. Shadow was built in 1992, > > recycled in 2007, and has been sailed in Michigan since then. Right now, > > she is in Edenton and I need to pick her up in the coming weeks. I will > > keep her in Deltaville, Virginia, and sail in the Chesapeake Bay area. > > Shadow has an IMF, and I believe (I hope!) the equipment you are > referring > > to is on board. > > > > I'm a bit dreading the moment when I will have to raise or lower the mast > > by myself for the first time, but hopefully this will be a smooth > process! > > > > Alexis > > > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 4:05 PM Thomas s wrote: > > > >> If you are new to the list, the attachments that Chris is refering to > are > >> down at the very bottom of the email. There are 2 URls that lead to > PDFs. > >> That is generally how attachments work on this particular list. > >> > >> Welcome! > >> > >> Tom > >> S/V Just Bent > >> 2001 Rhodes 22 > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > >> Chris Cowie > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 2:25 PM > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Steps to raise/lower mast > >> > >> I prepared a check list in 2010 for my Rhodes 22 2008 that I am trying > to > >> enclose in this email. > >> > >> Christopher P. Cowie > >> > >> 700 N Fairfax Street > >> Suite 304 > >> Alexandria, Virginia 22314 > >> 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile > >> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] > >> > >> > >> > >> Please consider the environment before printing this email. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > >> Alexis Seigneurin > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2018 3:17 PM > >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Steps to raise/lower mast > >> > >> Hi there! > >> > >> I am new to Rhodes 22 boats and I am looking for instructions to raise > and > >> lower the mast. Is there something like an instructions manual available > >> somewhere? If there are images/diagrams, that's even better! > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Alexis > >> __________________________________________________ > >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > >> > >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go > >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > >> __________________________________________________ > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> Name: mast_hoist_01.pdf > >> Type: application/pdf > >> Size: 41246 bytes > >> Desc: mast_hoist_01.pdf > >> URL: < > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20181106/6bad3c63/attachment.pdf > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> Name: mast_hoist_02.pdf > >> Type: application/pdf > >> Size: 41063 bytes > >> Desc: mast_hoist_02.pdf > >> URL: < > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20181106/6bad3c63/attachment-0001.pdf > >> __________________________________________________ > >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > >> > >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go > >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > >> __________________________________________________ > >> __________________________________________________ > >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > >> > >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go > >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > >> __________________________________________________ > >> > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com Wed Nov 7 12:29:36 2018 From: alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com (Alexis Seigneurin) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 12:29:36 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Steps to raise/lower mast In-Reply-To: References: <4e10bdc9-dfe8-81f1-214c-e701841f90ed@atlanticbb.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the additional responses! I will definitely take pictures / record the process when I pick up the boat. Glad to hear this straightforward, though! Alexis On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 10:53 PM Mike Riter wrote: > I just picked up our Rhodes 22 at the plant in Edenton in August and Tino > had me raise and lower the mast a few times when he was going over the many > systems. In my mind I thought "well this is pretty straight forward" and it > is. However there is a process to follow to make sure it's done correctly. > FORTUNATELY for me, my fianc? recorded the whole thing on her phone and I > was able to go back and watch it, when I didn't get it right the first time > I set it up at home. I later pared it down to just a few minutes to get the > highlights and now can execute it with confidence. The GB mast raising > system is a must. It works incredibly well. > > Mary Lou is right, RECORD all the processes. The owners manual has a lot of > good info. and this list is invaluable. You'll not find a more knowledgable > or helpful group of sailors anywhere. But it's nice to have the videos to > fall back on. > > My .02 > > SV EMMA B > Michael Riter > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training > mike at traildesign.com > 678-410-8021 > > > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 3:36 PM Charles Nieman > wrote: > > > If you are using the mast raising system; then double congrats are in > > order..... go to sailingtexas.com ... it is a web site to buy and sell > > sail boats all over cuz Texas is just a state of mind.... anyway.... > there > > are a couple videos of from David Culp using the mast raising system on > his > > (now mine) Rhodes 22 ... it should help a lot > > > > Charlie > > s/v Daydreams > > 98 Rhodes 22 > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > > Mary Lou Troy > > Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 3:29 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Steps to raise/lower mast > > > > If you are picking her up in Edenton, ask for a demonstration. Take lots > > of pictures. When we picked up our boat (back in the days of Kodachrome) > > we did that and it made alt the difference the first time we had to do > > it ourselves. Note that there have been a few variations in the > > equipment over the years so this will give you a good opportunity to see > > how yours works. > > > > Congratulations on your Rhodes. It's a great boat for the bay. We had > > ours for 18 wonderful years and sailed her all over the the upper Bay > > before finally selling her a couple of years ago. > > > > You'll find this email list a great resource and if you are on Facebook > > there is also a Facebook group for Rhodes 22 owners. > > > > Mary Lou > > ex Rhodes 22 > > now Rosborough RF 246 Tara > > Rock Hall, MD > > > > > > > > On 11/6/2018 4:16 PM, Alexis Seigneurin wrote: > > > Thanks Chris for the documents, and thanks Thomas for pointing where to > > > find them! I will study that. > > > > > > Thanks Peter for your warm welcome! To answer your questions, I > acquired > > > Shadow at the Annapolis Boat Show last month. Shadow was built in 1992, > > > recycled in 2007, and has been sailed in Michigan since then. Right > now, > > > she is in Edenton and I need to pick her up in the coming weeks. I will > > > keep her in Deltaville, Virginia, and sail in the Chesapeake Bay area. > > > Shadow has an IMF, and I believe (I hope!) the equipment you are > > referring > > > to is on board. > > > > > > I'm a bit dreading the moment when I will have to raise or lower the > mast > > > by myself for the first time, but hopefully this will be a smooth > > process! > > > > > > Alexis > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 4:05 PM Thomas s wrote: > > > > > >> If you are new to the list, the attachments that Chris is refering to > > are > > >> down at the very bottom of the email. There are 2 URls that lead to > > PDFs. > > >> That is generally how attachments work on this particular list. > > >> > > >> Welcome! > > >> > > >> Tom > > >> S/V Just Bent > > >> 2001 Rhodes 22 > > >> ________________________________ > > >> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > > >> Chris Cowie > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 2:25 PM > > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Steps to raise/lower mast > > >> > > >> I prepared a check list in 2010 for my Rhodes 22 2008 that I am trying > > to > > >> enclose in this email. > > >> > > >> Christopher P. Cowie > > >> > > >> 700 N Fairfax Street > > >> Suite 304 > > >> Alexandria, Virginia 22314 > > >> 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile > > >> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > > >> Alexis Seigneurin > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2018 3:17 PM > > >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > > >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Steps to raise/lower mast > > >> > > >> Hi there! > > >> > > >> I am new to Rhodes 22 boats and I am looking for instructions to raise > > and > > >> lower the mast. Is there something like an instructions manual > available > > >> somewhere? If there are images/diagrams, that's even better! > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> Alexis > > >> __________________________________________________ > > >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > >> > > >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > > go > > >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > >> __________________________________________________ > > >> -------------- next part -------------- > > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > >> Name: mast_hoist_01.pdf > > >> Type: application/pdf > > >> Size: 41246 bytes > > >> Desc: mast_hoist_01.pdf > > >> URL: < > > >> > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20181106/6bad3c63/attachment.pdf > > >> -------------- next part -------------- > > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > >> Name: mast_hoist_02.pdf > > >> Type: application/pdf > > >> Size: 41063 bytes > > >> Desc: mast_hoist_02.pdf > > >> URL: < > > >> > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20181106/6bad3c63/attachment-0001.pdf > > >> __________________________________________________ > > >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > >> > > >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > > go > > >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > >> __________________________________________________ > > >> __________________________________________________ > > >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > >> > > >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > > go > > >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > >> __________________________________________________ > > >> > > > __________________________________________________ > > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > --- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From rweiss at siu.edu Fri Nov 9 18:24:45 2018 From: rweiss at siu.edu (rweiss) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2018 16:24:45 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Locking the Pop-Top? In-Reply-To: References: <1537096805397-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <7D2166EC-47B0-42D7-A40E-43DC0202557C@cowieassociates.com> <8e765908-3c62-896d-a846-3ca1e97cd2d4@atlanticbb.net> Message-ID: <1541805885778-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I bought the fender clip and the jam cleat mentioned in this thread, but I can't get the jam cleat to hold the line. Not sure what I'm dong wrong. Can Mary Lou or Chris tell me how you configured the jam cleat so that it holds the line. Thanks. Bob ----- Bob Weiss Beach Spring 1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014 -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From ccowie at cowieassociates.com Fri Nov 9 18:37:10 2018 From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2018 23:37:10 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Locking the Pop-Top? In-Reply-To: <1541805885778-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1537096805397-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <7D2166EC-47B0-42D7-A40E-43DC0202557C@cowieassociates.com> <8e765908-3c62-896d-a846-3ca1e97cd2d4@atlanticbb.net> , <1541805885778-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <538CE5DA-5ABE-4647-99CC-07A82D7788BC@cowieassociates.com> I will take a photo and send this weekend. Please note our new office address and phone number Christopher P. Cowie [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] 700 N Fairfax Street Suite 304 Alexandria, Virginia 22314 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] [cid:image001.jpg at 01D24014.7A2D04E0] Please consider the environment before printing this email. On Nov 9, 2018, at 6:24 PM, rweiss > wrote: I bought the fender clip and the jam cleat mentioned in this thread, but I can't get the jam cleat to hold the line. Not sure what I'm dong wrong. Can Mary Lou or Chris tell me how you configured the jam cleat so that it holds the line. Thanks. Bob ----- Bob Weiss Beach Spring 1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014 -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From charles.gabriel at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 20:40:16 2018 From: charles.gabriel at gmail.com (Charles Gabriel) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2018 20:40:16 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Locking the Pop-Top? In-Reply-To: <1541805885778-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1537096805397-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <7D2166EC-47B0-42D7-A40E-43DC0202557C@cowieassociates.com> <8e765908-3c62-896d-a846-3ca1e97cd2d4@atlanticbb.net> <1541805885778-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Any chance the jam cleat was installed upside down? On Fri, Nov 9, 2018, 6:24 PM rweiss I bought the fender clip and the jam cleat mentioned in this thread, but I > can't get the jam cleat to hold the line. Not sure what I'm dong wrong. Can > Mary Lou or Chris tell me how you configured the jam cleat so that it holds > the line. > Thanks. > Bob > > > > > ----- > Bob Weiss > Beach Spring > 1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014 > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From jjcampjr at yahoo.com Mon Nov 12 13:04:54 2018 From: jjcampjr at yahoo.com (Joe Camp) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 18:04:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] One for The Gipper, aka Stan References: <1756951614.1040682.1542045894068.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1756951614.1040682.1542045894068@mail.yahoo.com> Stan:? Enjoy this. ttfn. OK my many Rhodie? Associates (and anyone who wants into such a fraternity): ???? As you may remember, or perhaps don't, I have arrived at the painful crossroads in my otherwise pretty dammed good life where it is no longer practical (or safe)? to assume that I can be the sailor that once I was or thought I once was or advertised myself to be; so, I painful as it is, I want to sell my 1987 (recycled in 2010) R-22.? Go back on the list for the details, but the bottom line is (and I really hate that cliche) most of the equipment is included in the sale.? This includes a new sail. This is linguistic device is called a homonym.? It appears here as a clever marketing ploy. Maybe, it just shows that I paid some attention in 6th grade.? We had synonyms in the same lesson, by the way.? And it helps that I am an English Professor now. ???? Anyway, I had two prospective clients look at her.? Neither proved a good match, and the s/v John Dawson is now next to my garage... in the way.? I originally wanted 8K and hinted at 7.5K.? Now, I am solidly parked (like the s/v John Dawson) at 7K.? Even if you are adamant, I won't take a penny more.? ???? Hey Chris, I have come down to your "more comfortable with" price.? We can say that I did this just for you.? As a fellow artist (though different genres) I always felt a certain affinity with you. And I will feel better selling her to an actual Rhodie. Of course, we (Rhodies) are made, not born, but your demonstrated love of the R-22 gives you a "leg-up," as they say in the world of hoisting things or hoisting one's self to a preferred place. ???? So, all of that said (to Stan's delight, or hopefully so, at least from a rhetorical perspective) somebody please piss of Stan and buy this thing. Joe Camp From watermusic38 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 14 11:52:50 2018 From: watermusic38 at yahoo.com (elle) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 16:52:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] One for The Gipper, aka Stan In-Reply-To: <1756951614.1040682.1542045894068@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1756951614.1040682.1542045894068.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1756951614.1040682.1542045894068@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1647877653.554488.1542214370088@mail.yahoo.com> Golly, I love this group...LOL elle...former proud owner of?and missing my Little Red.....(sob!) On Monday, November 12, 2018 1:05 PM, Joe Camp via Rhodes22-list wrote: Stan:? Enjoy this. ttfn. OK my many Rhodie? Associates (and anyone who wants into such a fraternity): ???? As you may remember, or perhaps don't, I have arrived at the painful crossroads in my otherwise pretty dammed good life where it is no longer practical (or safe)? to assume that I can be the sailor that once I was or thought I once was or advertised myself to be; so, I painful as it is, I want to sell my 1987 (recycled in 2010) R-22.? Go back on the list for the details, but the bottom line is (and I really hate that cliche) most of the equipment is included in the sale.? This includes a new sail. This is linguistic device is called a homonym.? It appears here as a clever marketing ploy. Maybe, it just shows that I paid some attention in 6th grade.? We had synonyms in the same lesson, by the way.? And it helps that I am an English Professor now. ???? Anyway, I had two prospective clients look at her.? Neither proved a good match, and the s/v John Dawson is now next to my garage... in the way.? I originally wanted 8K and hinted at 7.5K.? Now, I am solidly parked (like the s/v John Dawson) at 7K.? Even if you are adamant, I won't take a penny more.? ???? Hey Chris, I have come down to your "more comfortable with" price.? We can say that I did this just for you.? As a fellow artist (though different genres) I always felt a certain affinity with you. And I will feel better selling her to an actual Rhodie. Of course, we (Rhodies) are made, not born, but your demonstrated love of the R-22 gives you a "leg-up," as they say in the world of hoisting things or hoisting one's self to a preferred place. ???? So, all of that said (to Stan's delight, or hopefully so, at least from a rhetorical perspective) somebody please piss of Stan and buy this thing. Joe Camp __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From ltcol25 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 14 15:00:43 2018 From: ltcol25 at yahoo.com (richard boeckman) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 14:00:43 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] One for The Gipper, aka Stan In-Reply-To: <1647877653.554488.1542214370088@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1756951614.1040682.1542045894068.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1756951614.1040682.1542045894068@mail.yahoo.com> <1647877653.554488.1542214370088@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Where is the boat listed.? Sent from my iPad > On Nov 14, 2018, at 10:52 AM, elle via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > Golly, I love this group...LOL > elle...former proud owner of and missing my Little Red.....(sob!) > > On Monday, November 12, 2018 1:05 PM, Joe Camp via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > > Stan: Enjoy this. ttfn. > OK my many Rhodie Associates (and anyone who wants into such a fraternity): > As you may remember, or perhaps don't, I have arrived at the painful crossroads in my otherwise pretty dammed good life where it is no longer practical (or safe) to assume that I can be the sailor that once I was or thought I once was or advertised myself to be; so, I painful as it is, I want to sell my 1987 (recycled in 2010) R-22. Go back on the list for the details, but the bottom line is (and I really hate that cliche) most of the equipment is included in the sale. This includes a new sail. This is linguistic device is called a homonym. It appears here as a clever marketing ploy. Maybe, it just shows that I paid some attention in 6th grade. We had synonyms in the same lesson, by the way. And it helps that I am an English Professor now. > Anyway, I had two prospective clients look at her. Neither proved a good match, and the > s/v John Dawson is now next to my garage... in the way. I originally wanted 8K and hinted at 7.5K. Now, I am solidly parked (like the s/v John Dawson) at 7K. Even if you are adamant, I won't take a penny more. > > Hey Chris, I have come down to your "more comfortable with" price. We can say that I did this just for you. As a fellow artist (though different genres) I always felt a certain affinity with you. And I will feel better selling her to an actual Rhodie. Of course, we (Rhodies) are made, not born, but your demonstrated love of the R-22 gives you a "leg-up," as they say in the world of hoisting things or hoisting one's self to a preferred place. > So, all of that said (to Stan's delight, or hopefully so, at least from a rhetorical perspective) somebody please piss of Stan and buy this thing. > Joe Camp > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From rlowe at vt.edu Thu Nov 15 09:34:55 2018 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 14:34:55 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] One for The Gipper, aka Stan In-Reply-To: <1647877653.554488.1542214370088@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1756951614.1040682.1542045894068.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1756951614.1040682.1542045894068@mail.yahoo.com> <1647877653.554488.1542214370088@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Elle, So what happened to Lady in Red? I remember you were trying to sell her, but don't recall the outcome. Thanks - rob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of elle via Rhodes22-list Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 11:53 AM To: Joe Camp ; The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] One for The Gipper, aka Stan Golly, I love this group...LOL elle...former proud owner of?and missing my Little Red.....(sob!) On Monday, November 12, 2018 1:05 PM, Joe Camp via Rhodes22-list wrote: Stan:? Enjoy this. ttfn. OK my many Rhodie? Associates (and anyone who wants into such a fraternity): ???? As you may remember, or perhaps don't, I have arrived at the painful crossroads in my otherwise pretty dammed good life where it is no longer practical (or safe)? to assume that I can be the sailor that once I was or thought I once was or advertised myself to be; so, I painful as it is, I want to sell my 1987 (recycled in 2010) R-22.? Go back on the list for the details, but the bottom line is (and I really hate that cliche) most of the equipment is included in the sale.? This includes a new sail. This is linguistic device is called a homonym.? It appears here as a clever marketing ploy. Maybe, it just shows that I paid some attention in 6th grade.? We had synonyms in the same lesson, by the way.? And it helps that I am an English Professor now. ???? Anyway, I had two prospective clients look at her.? Neither proved a good match, and the s/v John Dawson is now next to my garage... in the way.? I originally wanted 8K and hinted at 7.5K.? Now, I am solidly parked (like the s/v John Dawson) at 7K.? Even if you are adamant, I won't take a penny more.? ???? Hey Chris, I have come down to your "more comfortable with" price.? We can say that I did this just for you.? As a fellow artist (though different genres) I always felt a certain affinity with you. And I will feel better selling her to an actual Rhodie. Of course, we (Rhodies) are made, not born, but your demonstrated love of the R-22 gives you a "leg-up," as they say in the world of hoisting things or hoisting one's self to a preferred place. ???? So, all of that said (to Stan's delight, or hopefully so, at least from a rhetorical perspective) somebody please piss of Stan and buy this thing. Joe Camp __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu Sun Nov 25 20:35:10 2018 From: C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu (C. Robert Lester) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 01:35:10 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 In-Reply-To: References: <009b01d284af$8a3666d0$9ea33470$@ebsmed.com> <000301d284df$a48d68f0$eda83ad0$@ca> <007901d28a69$994e4b50$cbeae1f0$@ca> Message-ID: Greetings all & Happy Holiday's. We just pulled the boat off Lake Sunapee in NH (11/24/18) as I guess the 2018 season is over. While I had the chance I took better pics of our "Curved Rudder" issue. The first pics were not very telling of the issue as these are. I ask if there is knowledge on a repair for this issue or is a replacement in our future? Thank you in advance, Bob '84 Orion -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 10:12 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Bob, Almost looks like the rudder blade has twisted or warped?? Kind of hard to tell. Not sure anyone has reported this as an issue before. What material is the rudder blade made of? - rob Rob Lowe -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Graham Stewart Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 11:35 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Thanks for the pictures Bob. I can't be sure I can see the curve but it looks to me like there might be a bend at the join between the rudder and the head. That might be possible. I just don't know how the rudder itself could bend without breaking. That doesn't mean it can't happen. Graham -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of C. Robert Lester Sent: February 18, 2017 9:11 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Graham, Good point about the swollen side as you experienced. However, you can see by both pics here it is a different case. Pic #2 that has the rudder laying down and it shows the best example of the curve. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Graham Stewart Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 10:25 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Bob: Can you post a picture of the rudder? I wonder if the rudder is curved or instead has "swollen" on one side due to water migration into the core - especially if the rudder has been exposed to freezing. When I rebuilt my rudder I found that there were large voids in it and undertook to fill them with epoxy. Removing any paint might show cracks and if so see if there is a pattern that shows the effect of internal pressure. Just a guess. Graham Stewart Agile. R22, 1976 Kingston Ontario Canada -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael Weisner Sent: February 11, 2017 4:41 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 As the list admin, I received this "bounced" email this morning. I am not sure why it wound up in my inbox but it appears to have been sent to the list but did not reach the intended destination. I am therefore forwarding it to the list. Note to Bob: If you figure out why your post did not reach the proper destination, please let me know. I hope that this helps to find a solution to your problem. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY From: C. Robert Lester [mailto:C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu] Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 11:06 AM To: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org Subject: Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 I have an 84 Rhodes 22, that came with a "slightly-curved" rudder? As you can imagine, when under power this applies a slight port steer. As interested as I am in what would have caused this slight curve to the rudder, I am more interested in repairing/replacing this issue. Thanks in advance for your thoughts / suggestions. Bob __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We just pulled the boat off Lake Sunapee in NH (11/24/18) as I guess the 2018 season is over. While I had the chance I took better pics of our "Curved Rudder" issue. The first pics were not very telling of the issue as these are. I ask if there is knowledge on a repair for this issue or is a replacement in our future? Thank you in advance, Bob '84 Orion -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 10:12 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Bob, Almost looks like the rudder blade has twisted or warped?? Kind of hard to tell. Not sure anyone has reported this as an issue before. What material is the rudder blade made of? - rob Rob Lowe -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Graham Stewart Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 11:35 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Thanks for the pictures Bob. I can't be sure I can see the curve but it looks to me like there might be a bend at the join between the rudder and the head. That might be possible. I just don't know how the rudder itself could bend without breaking. That doesn't mean it can't happen. Graham -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of C. Robert Lester Sent: February 18, 2017 9:11 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Graham, Good point about the swollen side as you experienced. However, you can see by both pics here it is a different case. Pic #2 that has the rudder laying down and it shows the best example of the curve. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Graham Stewart Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 10:25 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Bob: Can you post a picture of the rudder? I wonder if the rudder is curved or instead has "swollen" on one side due to water migration into the core - especially if the rudder has been exposed to freezing. When I rebuilt my rudder I found that there were large voids in it and undertook to fill them with epoxy. Removing any paint might show cracks and if so see if there is a pattern that shows the effect of internal pressure. Just a guess. Graham Stewart Agile. R22, 1976 Kingston Ontario Canada -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael Weisner Sent: February 11, 2017 4:41 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 As the list admin, I received this "bounced" email this morning. I am not sure why it wound up in my inbox but it appears to have been sent to the list but did not reach the intended destination. I am therefore forwarding it to the list. Note to Bob: If you figure out why your post did not reach the proper destination, please let me know. I hope that this helps to find a solution to your problem. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY From: C. Robert Lester [mailto:C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu] Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 11:06 AM To: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org Subject: Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 I have an 84 Rhodes 22, that came with a "slightly-curved" rudder? As you can imagine, when under power this applies a slight port steer. As interested as I am in what would have caused this slight curve to the rudder, I am more interested in repairing/replacing this issue. Thanks in advance for your thoughts / suggestions. Bob __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Typical FRP composites have an ultimate elongation of from 2-7%, with the failure point tending towards the low end as the temperature drops because the plastic resin passes thru its glass transition temperature and becomes brittle. I would NOT leave the rudder loaded like that all winter. You have another issue in that the compression on the rudder is loading up the rudder?s gudgeons and pintles and the boat?s transom in a manner they were never designed to handle. By spring, you may very well have hull damage on the transom. I would find some way to get that rudder unloaded ASAP! If you unload it soon, you should see the rudder blade straighten out. At your next opportunity, strip the bottom paint off the rudder and carefully inspect it. You are looking for tiny transverse cracks (i.e. running from side to side vs. the length of the rudder blade), especially on the port side where the surface was in tension due to the buckling. If you see these cracks, you might consider prepping the surface and applying a couple of coats of WEST System epoxy to both sides of the rudder blade. Let me know how it turns out for you or if you have any other questions. Roger Pihlaja SV Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Lowe, Rob Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 10:28:34 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Bob, That is the oddest thing. Don't think we've seen one like this before. I can't imagine a fix for this. Does it affect handling enough to require a replacement? - rob Oh, and I don't know about pulling with snow on the ground. I try to get out while it's still in the 50's! -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of C. Robert Lester Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 8:35 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Greetings all & Happy Holiday's. We just pulled the boat off Lake Sunapee in NH (11/24/18) as I guess the 2018 season is over. While I had the chance I took better pics of our "Curved Rudder" issue. The first pics were not very telling of the issue as these are. I ask if there is knowledge on a repair for this issue or is a replacement in our future? Thank you in advance, Bob '84 Orion -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 10:12 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Bob, Almost looks like the rudder blade has twisted or warped?? Kind of hard to tell. Not sure anyone has reported this as an issue before. What material is the rudder blade made of? - rob Rob Lowe -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Graham Stewart Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 11:35 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Thanks for the pictures Bob. I can't be sure I can see the curve but it looks to me like there might be a bend at the join between the rudder and the head. That might be possible. I just don't know how the rudder itself could bend without breaking. That doesn't mean it can't happen. Graham -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of C. Robert Lester Sent: February 18, 2017 9:11 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Graham, Good point about the swollen side as you experienced. However, you can see by both pics here it is a different case. Pic #2 that has the rudder laying down and it shows the best example of the curve. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Graham Stewart Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 10:25 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Bob: Can you post a picture of the rudder? I wonder if the rudder is curved or instead has "swollen" on one side due to water migration into the core - especially if the rudder has been exposed to freezing. When I rebuilt my rudder I found that there were large voids in it and undertook to fill them with epoxy. Removing any paint might show cracks and if so see if there is a pattern that shows the effect of internal pressure. Just a guess. Graham Stewart Agile. R22, 1976 Kingston Ontario Canada -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael Weisner Sent: February 11, 2017 4:41 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 As the list admin, I received this "bounced" email this morning. I am not sure why it wound up in my inbox but it appears to have been sent to the list but did not reach the intended destination. I am therefore forwarding it to the list. Note to Bob: If you figure out why your post did not reach the proper destination, please let me know. I hope that this helps to find a solution to your problem. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY From: C. Robert Lester [mailto:C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu] Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 11:06 AM To: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org Subject: Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 I have an 84 Rhodes 22, that came with a "slightly-curved" rudder? As you can imagine, when under power this applies a slight port steer. As interested as I am in what would have caused this slight curve to the rudder, I am more interested in repairing/replacing this issue. Thanks in advance for your thoughts / suggestions. Bob __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: Rudder 84 R22.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3399573 bytes Desc: Rudder 84 R22.jpg URL: __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From peter at sunnybeeches.com Mon Nov 26 12:51:19 2018 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 12:51:19 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Roger!! In-Reply-To: References: <009b01d284af$8a3666d0$9ea33470$@ebsmed.com> <000301d284df$a48d68f0$eda83ad0$@ca> <007901d28a69$994e4b50$cbeae1f0$@ca> Message-ID: <99D63737-7347-4033-9FD7-6D169EC7D1BC@sunnybeeches.com> Roger, I joined the list well after you stopped posting, but I feel I know you from having spent many hours reading the list archives. I?m very happy to see you posting once again. I hope the list can look forward to more of your insights in the future. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheelsl (1988/2016) > On Nov 26, 2018, at 12:02 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > Bob, > > > > I just took some rough measurements of the curvature of your rudder from the attached picture. It is deflecting ~1.5% in compression buckling mode. The rudder blade is made from glass fiber reinforced polyester (FRP) with some internal ballast. Typical FRP composites have an ultimate elongation of from 2-7%, with the failure point tending towards the low end as the temperature drops because the plastic resin passes thru its glass transition temperature and becomes brittle. I would NOT leave the rudder loaded like that all winter. You have another issue in that the compression on the rudder is loading up the rudder?s gudgeons and pintles and the boat?s transom in a manner they were never designed to handle. By spring, you may very well have hull damage on the transom. I would find some way to get that rudder unloaded ASAP! > > > > If you unload it soon, you should see the rudder blade straighten out. At your next opportunity, strip the bottom paint off the rudder and carefully inspect it. You are looking for tiny transverse cracks (i.e. running from side to side vs. the length of the rudder blade), especially on the port side where the surface was in tension due to the buckling. If you see these cracks, you might consider prepping the surface and applying a couple of coats of WEST System epoxy to both sides of the rudder blade. > > > > Let me know how it turns out for you or if you have any other questions. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > SV Dynamic Equilibrium > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Mon Nov 26 13:06:38 2018 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 18:06:38 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Roger!! In-Reply-To: <99D63737-7347-4033-9FD7-6D169EC7D1BC@sunnybeeches.com> References: <009b01d284af$8a3666d0$9ea33470$@ebsmed.com> <000301d284df$a48d68f0$eda83ad0$@ca> <007901d28a69$994e4b50$cbeae1f0$@ca> , <99D63737-7347-4033-9FD7-6D169EC7D1BC@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Peter, I dropped off the list in 2002 because I was tired of the political rancor vs boat talk. In the years since then, I earned a BSME degree to go with my MSChE and BSChE degrees and spent 10 years as an engineering consultant with Emerson Process Management. I?m retired now, but we still have our 1978 Rhodes 22. We still mostly day sail it from our dock on Sanford Lake in the central lower peninsula of Michigan. I?m still married to Deborah, 41+ years now. I have 3 grandchildren, 2 girls and a boy. Kaylee, the oldest is 4, and I?m looking forward to overnighting with her at the dock and at anchor next summer. I know Stan and Rose have retired. Are they still selling Rhodes pieces/parts, perhaps selling off old stock? Roger Pihlaja SV Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 26, 2018, at 12:51 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > Roger, > > I joined the list well after you stopped posting, but I feel I know you from having spent many hours reading the list archives. I?m very happy to see you posting once again. I hope the list can look forward to more of your insights in the future. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheelsl (1988/2016) > > >> On Nov 26, 2018, at 12:02 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >> >> Bob, >> >> >> >> I just took some rough measurements of the curvature of your rudder from the attached picture. It is deflecting ~1.5% in compression buckling mode. The rudder blade is made from glass fiber reinforced polyester (FRP) with some internal ballast. Typical FRP composites have an ultimate elongation of from 2-7%, with the failure point tending towards the low end as the temperature drops because the plastic resin passes thru its glass transition temperature and becomes brittle. I would NOT leave the rudder loaded like that all winter. You have another issue in that the compression on the rudder is loading up the rudder?s gudgeons and pintles and the boat?s transom in a manner they were never designed to handle. By spring, you may very well have hull damage on the transom. I would find some way to get that rudder unloaded ASAP! >> >> >> >> If you unload it soon, you should see the rudder blade straighten out. At your next opportunity, strip the bottom paint off the rudder and carefully inspect it. You are looking for tiny transverse cracks (i.e. running from side to side vs. the length of the rudder blade), especially on the port side where the surface was in tension due to the buckling. If you see these cracks, you might consider prepping the surface and applying a couple of coats of WEST System epoxy to both sides of the rudder blade. >> >> >> >> Let me know how it turns out for you or if you have any other questions. >> >> >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> >> SV Dynamic Equilibrium >> > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From rlowe at vt.edu Mon Nov 26 14:22:38 2018 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 19:22:38 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Roger!! In-Reply-To: References: <009b01d284af$8a3666d0$9ea33470$@ebsmed.com> <000301d284df$a48d68f0$eda83ad0$@ca> <007901d28a69$994e4b50$cbeae1f0$@ca> , <99D63737-7347-4033-9FD7-6D169EC7D1BC@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Roger! Good to hear you are still around and still the best engineer we ever had on the list (except for Stan of course). Rose is retired. Stan is still at it. I expect you've heard that Elton has passed on. Stan is still rebuilding boats. I plan to take mine back to him shortly and have him repair some items that need his attention. Good to hear Dynamic Equilibrium is still on the water. - Rob Rob Lowe List member since 2004 -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 1:07 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Roger!! Peter, I dropped off the list in 2002 because I was tired of the political rancor vs boat talk. In the years since then, I earned a BSME degree to go with my MSChE and BSChE degrees and spent 10 years as an engineering consultant with Emerson Process Management. I?m retired now, but we still have our 1978 Rhodes 22. We still mostly day sail it from our dock on Sanford Lake in the central lower peninsula of Michigan. I?m still married to Deborah, 41+ years now. I have 3 grandchildren, 2 girls and a boy. Kaylee, the oldest is 4, and I?m looking forward to overnighting with her at the dock and at anchor next summer. I know Stan and Rose have retired. Are they still selling Rhodes pieces/parts, perhaps selling off old stock? Roger Pihlaja SV Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 26, 2018, at 12:51 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > Roger, > > I joined the list well after you stopped posting, but I feel I know you from having spent many hours reading the list archives. I?m very happy to see you posting once again. I hope the list can look forward to more of your insights in the future. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheelsl (1988/2016) > > >> On Nov 26, 2018, at 12:02 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >> >> Bob, >> >> >> >> I just took some rough measurements of the curvature of your rudder from the attached picture. It is deflecting ~1.5% in compression buckling mode. The rudder blade is made from glass fiber reinforced polyester (FRP) with some internal ballast. Typical FRP composites have an ultimate elongation of from 2-7%, with the failure point tending towards the low end as the temperature drops because the plastic resin passes thru its glass transition temperature and becomes brittle. I would NOT leave the rudder loaded like that all winter. You have another issue in that the compression on the rudder is loading up the rudder?s gudgeons and pintles and the boat?s transom in a manner they were never designed to handle. By spring, you may very well have hull damage on the transom. I would find some way to get that rudder unloaded ASAP! >> >> >> >> If you unload it soon, you should see the rudder blade straighten out. At your next opportunity, strip the bottom paint off the rudder and carefully inspect it. You are looking for tiny transverse cracks (i.e. running from side to side vs. the length of the rudder blade), especially on the port side where the surface was in tension due to the buckling. If you see these cracks, you might consider prepping the surface and applying a couple of coats of WEST System epoxy to both sides of the rudder blade. >> >> >> >> Let me know how it turns out for you or if you have any other questions. >> >> >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> >> SV Dynamic Equilibrium >> > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Mon Nov 26 14:26:00 2018 From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 14:26:00 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Roger!! In-Reply-To: References: <009b01d284af$8a3666d0$9ea33470$@ebsmed.com> <000301d284df$a48d68f0$eda83ad0$@ca> <007901d28a69$994e4b50$cbeae1f0$@ca> <99D63737-7347-4033-9FD7-6D169EC7D1BC@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Hi Roger, Welcome back! Stan is not completely retired. He made the Annapolis boat show this year and is still recycling Rhodes 22s and as far as I know still selling parts. Fred and I are amongst the last of the old-timers on the list but we sold Fretless two years ago and are now happily tootling around the Chesapeake in a Rosborough RF 246 (an outboard powered mini-trawler.) We retired and moved to Rock Hall, MD on the Chesapeake more than 10 years ago. In addition to Rob Lowe, Jay Friedland and Chris Geankopolis are still around. Search the archives for Chris's saga on shipping his R22 to Spain and sailing the Med last year. I've probably forgotten a couple of others. Sadly Rummy died a few years ago and many more are no longer with us. There is also a Rhodes 22 Owners Facebook page that gets a fair amount of traffic in season. Glad to have you back! Mary Lou ex Rhodes 22, now Rosborough RF-246?? Tara (Tara has her own FB page https://www.facebook.com/TaraTRosborough/) Rock Hall, MD On 11/26/2018 1:06 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Peter, > > I dropped off the list in 2002 because I was tired of the political rancor vs boat talk. In the years since then, I earned a BSME degree to go with my MSChE and BSChE degrees and spent 10 years as an engineering consultant with Emerson Process Management. I?m retired now, but we still have our 1978 Rhodes 22. We still mostly day sail it from our dock on Sanford Lake in the central lower peninsula of Michigan. I?m still married to Deborah, 41+ years now. I have 3 grandchildren, 2 girls and a boy. Kaylee, the oldest is 4, and I?m looking forward to overnighting with her at the dock and at anchor next summer. > > I know Stan and Rose have retired. Are they still selling Rhodes pieces/parts, perhaps selling off old stock? > > Roger Pihlaja > SV Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 26, 2018, at 12:51 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: >> >> Roger, >> >> I joined the list well after you stopped posting, but I feel I know you from having spent many hours reading the list archives. I?m very happy to see you posting once again. I hope the list can look forward to more of your insights in the future. >> >> Peter Nyberg >> Coventry, CT >> s/v Silverheelsl (1988/2016) >> >> >>> On Nov 26, 2018, at 12:02 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >>> >>> Bob, >>> >>> >>> >>> I just took some rough measurements of the curvature of your rudder from the attached picture. It is deflecting ~1.5% in compression buckling mode. The rudder blade is made from glass fiber reinforced polyester (FRP) with some internal ballast. Typical FRP composites have an ultimate elongation of from 2-7%, with the failure point tending towards the low end as the temperature drops because the plastic resin passes thru its glass transition temperature and becomes brittle. I would NOT leave the rudder loaded like that all winter. You have another issue in that the compression on the rudder is loading up the rudder?s gudgeons and pintles and the boat?s transom in a manner they were never designed to handle. By spring, you may very well have hull damage on the transom. I would find some way to get that rudder unloaded ASAP! >>> >>> >>> >>> If you unload it soon, you should see the rudder blade straighten out. At your next opportunity, strip the bottom paint off the rudder and carefully inspect it. You are looking for tiny transverse cracks (i.e. running from side to side vs. the length of the rudder blade), especially on the port side where the surface was in tension due to the buckling. If you see these cracks, you might consider prepping the surface and applying a couple of coats of WEST System epoxy to both sides of the rudder blade. >>> >>> >>> >>> Let me know how it turns out for you or if you have any other questions. >>> >>> >>> >>> Roger Pihlaja >>> >>> SV Dynamic Equilibrium >>> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Mon Nov 26 15:58:29 2018 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 15:58:29 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 In-Reply-To: References: <009b01d284af$8a3666d0$9ea33470$@ebsmed.com> <000301d284df$a48d68f0$eda83ad0$@ca> <007901d28a69$994e4b50$cbeae1f0$@ca> Message-ID: <008301d485ca$c893bb80$59bb3280$@cogeco.ca> Bob: Your rudder looks to me to be much thinner than mine. There also appears to be a lot of space around the rudder in the rudder holder - whatever you call the upper part that holds the rudder. I am wondering if this an original rudder or a replacement. Is that possible? Graham Graham Stewart Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of C. Robert Lester Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 8:35 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Greetings all & Happy Holiday's. We just pulled the boat off Lake Sunapee in NH (11/24/18) as I guess the 2018 season is over. While I had the chance I took better pics of our "Curved Rudder" issue. The first pics were not very telling of the issue as these are. I ask if there is knowledge on a repair for this issue or is a replacement in our future? Thank you in advance, Bob '84 Orion -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 10:12 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Bob, Almost looks like the rudder blade has twisted or warped?? Kind of hard to tell. Not sure anyone has reported this as an issue before. What material is the rudder blade made of? - rob Rob Lowe -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Graham Stewart Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 11:35 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Thanks for the pictures Bob. I can't be sure I can see the curve but it looks to me like there might be a bend at the join between the rudder and the head. That might be possible. I just don't know how the rudder itself could bend without breaking. That doesn't mean it can't happen. Graham -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of C. Robert Lester Sent: February 18, 2017 9:11 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Graham, Good point about the swollen side as you experienced. However, you can see by both pics here it is a different case. Pic #2 that has the rudder laying down and it shows the best example of the curve. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Graham Stewart Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 10:25 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 Bob: Can you post a picture of the rudder? I wonder if the rudder is curved or instead has "swollen" on one side due to water migration into the core - especially if the rudder has been exposed to freezing. When I rebuilt my rudder I found that there were large voids in it and undertook to fill them with epoxy. Removing any paint might show cracks and if so see if there is a pattern that shows the effect of internal pressure. Just a guess. Graham Stewart Agile. R22, 1976 Kingston Ontario Canada -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael Weisner Sent: February 11, 2017 4:41 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 As the list admin, I received this "bounced" email this morning. I am not sure why it wound up in my inbox but it appears to have been sent to the list but did not reach the intended destination. I am therefore forwarding it to the list. Note to Bob: If you figure out why your post did not reach the proper destination, please let me know. I hope that this helps to find a solution to your problem. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY From: C. Robert Lester [mailto:C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu] Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 11:06 AM To: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org Subject: Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 I have an 84 Rhodes 22, that came with a "slightly-curved" rudder? As you can imagine, when under power this applies a slight port steer. As interested as I am in what would have caused this slight curve to the rudder, I am more interested in repairing/replacing this issue. Thanks in advance for your thoughts / suggestions. 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At some point in the 1980?s (?) Stan changed the designs of the centerboard and rudder blade. So, if you have a 1976 boat, your rudder blade is going to be thinner vs a newer boat. Stan claims the new rudder and centerboard offer better performance vs the older parts. But, that claim flies in the face of hydrofoil theory, so I?m a little sceptical. I?d love to see an old vs new boat match race. Bob, I may have misunderstood something. Did your boat come with a bent rudder blade or did you notice the bend recently after the boat was sitting on the trailer. In the picture, it looks like the boat has sunk into the ground loading up the rudder blade. Roger Pihlaja SV Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 26, 2018, at 3:58 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: > > Bob: > Your rudder looks to me to be much thinner than mine. There also appears to > be a lot of space around the rudder in the rudder holder - whatever you call > the upper part that holds the rudder. I am wondering if this an original > rudder or a replacement. Is that possible? > Graham > > Graham Stewart > Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 > Kingston Ontario > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of C. > Robert Lester > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2018 8:35 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 > > Greetings all & Happy Holiday's. > We just pulled the boat off Lake Sunapee in NH (11/24/18) as I guess the > 2018 season is over. While I had the chance I took better pics of our > "Curved Rudder" issue. The first pics were not very telling of the issue as > these are. > I ask if there is knowledge on a repair for this issue or is a replacement > in our future? > Thank you in advance, > Bob '84 Orion > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Lowe, > Rob > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 10:12 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 > > Bob, > Almost looks like the rudder blade has twisted or warped?? Kind of hard to > tell. Not sure anyone has reported this as an issue before. What material > is the rudder blade made of? - rob > > Rob Lowe > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of > Graham Stewart > Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 11:35 PM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 > > Thanks for the pictures Bob. I can't be sure I can see the curve but it > looks to me like there might be a bend at the join between the rudder and > the head. That might be possible. I just don't know how the rudder itself > could bend without breaking. That doesn't mean it can't happen. > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of > C. Robert Lester > Sent: February 18, 2017 9:11 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 > > Graham, > Good point about the swollen side as you experienced. However, you can see > by both pics here it is a different case. Pic #2 that has the rudder laying > down and it shows the best example of the curve. > Bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of > Graham Stewart > Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 10:25 PM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 > > Bob: > > Can you post a picture of the rudder? > I wonder if the rudder is curved or instead has "swollen" on one side due to > water migration into the core - especially if the rudder has been exposed to > freezing. When I rebuilt my rudder I found that there were large voids in it > and undertook to fill them with epoxy. Removing any paint might show cracks > and if so see if there is a pattern that shows the effect of internal > pressure. Just a guess. > > Graham Stewart > Agile. R22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario Canada > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of > Michael Weisner > Sent: February 11, 2017 4:41 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 > > As the list admin, I received this "bounced" email this morning. I am not > sure why it wound up in my inbox but it appears to have been sent to the > list but did not reach the intended destination. I am therefore forwarding > it to the list. Note to Bob: If you figure out why your post did not reach > the proper destination, please let me know. I hope that this helps to find > a solution to your problem. > > > > Mike > > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > > Nissequogue River, NY > > > > > > > > From: C. Robert Lester [mailto:C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu] > Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 11:06 AM > To: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org > Subject: Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 > > > > I have an 84 Rhodes 22, that came with a "slightly-curved" rudder? As you > can imagine, when under power this applies a slight port steer. As > interested as I am in what would have caused this slight curve to the > rudder, I am more interested in repairing/replacing this issue. > > > > Thanks in advance for your thoughts / suggestions. > > > > Bob > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_20170218_205342_001.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 120075 bytes > Desc: IMG_20170218_205342_001.jpg > URL: > ttachment.jpg> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_20170218_205450.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 134827 bytes > Desc: IMG_20170218_205450.jpg > URL: > ttachment-0001.jpg> > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Rudder 84 R22.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 3399573 bytes > Desc: Rudder 84 R22.jpg > URL: > ttachment.jpg> > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From jayf401 at gmail.com Mon Nov 26 21:07:47 2018 From: jayf401 at gmail.com (Jay Friedland) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 21:07:47 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Roger!! In-Reply-To: References: <009b01d284af$8a3666d0$9ea33470$@ebsmed.com> <000301d284df$a48d68f0$eda83ad0$@ca> <007901d28a69$994e4b50$cbeae1f0$@ca> <99D63737-7347-4033-9FD7-6D169EC7D1BC@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <0860B225-245E-44DA-87FC-74531D48C1E7@gmail.com> Roger, I echo Mary Lou?s welcome back to you. Although coming on board in ?89, I was late to the party. Sailing 800 to 1,000 nm a season, I?m still getting a LOT out of my 2nd R22, a ?97. Your responses have been like treatises that challenge each of us to see how it applies to our sailing and our vessel. You?ve been missed and I appreciate your return. Jay Friedland s/v Wanderlust ?97 > On Nov 26, 2018, at 2:26 PM, Mary Lou Troy wrote: > > Hi Roger, > > Welcome back! > > Stan is not completely retired. He made the Annapolis boat show this year and is still recycling Rhodes 22s and as far as I know still selling parts. > > Fred and I are amongst the last of the old-timers on the list but we sold Fretless two years ago and are now happily tootling around the Chesapeake in a Rosborough RF 246 (an outboard powered mini-trawler.) We retired and moved to Rock Hall, MD on the Chesapeake more than 10 years ago. > > In addition to Rob Lowe, Jay Friedland and Chris Geankopolis are still around. Search the archives for Chris's saga on shipping his R22 to Spain and sailing the Med last year. I've probably forgotten a couple of others. Sadly Rummy died a few years ago and many more are no longer with us. > > There is also a Rhodes 22 Owners Facebook page that gets a fair amount of traffic in season. > > Glad to have you back! > > Mary Lou > ex Rhodes 22, now Rosborough RF-246 Tara > (Tara has her own FB page https://www.facebook.com/TaraTRosborough/) > Rock Hall, MD > > > > On 11/26/2018 1:06 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >> Peter, >> >> I dropped off the list in 2002 because I was tired of the political rancor vs boat talk. In the years since then, I earned a BSME degree to go with my MSChE and BSChE degrees and spent 10 years as an engineering consultant with Emerson Process Management. I?m retired now, but we still have our 1978 Rhodes 22. We still mostly day sail it from our dock on Sanford Lake in the central lower peninsula of Michigan. I?m still married to Deborah, 41+ years now. I have 3 grandchildren, 2 girls and a boy. Kaylee, the oldest is 4, and I?m looking forward to overnighting with her at the dock and at anchor next summer. >> >> I know Stan and Rose have retired. Are they still selling Rhodes pieces/parts, perhaps selling off old stock? >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> SV Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Nov 26, 2018, at 12:51 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: >>> >>> Roger, >>> >>> I joined the list well after you stopped posting, but I feel I know you from having spent many hours reading the list archives. I?m very happy to see you posting once again. I hope the list can look forward to more of your insights in the future. >>> >>> Peter Nyberg >>> Coventry, CT >>> s/v Silverheelsl (1988/2016) >>> >>> >>>> On Nov 26, 2018, at 12:02 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >>>> >>>> Bob, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I just took some rough measurements of the curvature of your rudder from the attached picture. It is deflecting ~1.5% in compression buckling mode. The rudder blade is made from glass fiber reinforced polyester (FRP) with some internal ballast. Typical FRP composites have an ultimate elongation of from 2-7%, with the failure point tending towards the low end as the temperature drops because the plastic resin passes thru its glass transition temperature and becomes brittle. I would NOT leave the rudder loaded like that all winter. You have another issue in that the compression on the rudder is loading up the rudder?s gudgeons and pintles and the boat?s transom in a manner they were never designed to handle. By spring, you may very well have hull damage on the transom. I would find some way to get that rudder unloaded ASAP! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If you unload it soon, you should see the rudder blade straighten out. At your next opportunity, strip the bottom paint off the rudder and carefully inspect it. You are looking for tiny transverse cracks (i.e. running from side to side vs. the length of the rudder blade), especially on the port side where the surface was in tension due to the buckling. If you see these cracks, you might consider prepping the surface and applying a couple of coats of WEST System epoxy to both sides of the rudder blade. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Let me know how it turns out for you or if you have any other questions. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Roger Pihlaja >>>> >>>> SV Dynamic Equilibrium >>>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From stan at rhodes22.com Tue Nov 27 06:46:27 2018 From: stan at rhodes22.com (Stan Spitzer) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 06:46:27 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 In-Reply-To: References: <009b01d284af$8a3666d0$9ea33470$@ebsmed.com> <000301d284df$a48d68f0$eda83ad0$@ca> <007901d28a69$994e4b50$cbeae1f0$@ca> <008301d485ca$c893bb80$59bb3280$@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: <7d3971ba-485b-6845-58a0-65ca8738e11d@rhodes22.com> Hard not to pipe in. Other than prototype boats with aluminum rudder blades that did bend, all Rhodes rudder blades have been made with fiberglass and sized at 1 1/2" to snugly fit between the rudder cheek panels of the rudder head.? The blades are extremely stiff and would break before they would bend to any significant degree. True:? In early Rhodes the centerboard and rudder blade were from the same mold. Inaccurate:? We later created a /*different*/ mold for the CENTERBOARD, not a different mold for the rudder blade. We thereafter called the centerboard, the diamondboard; this because a horizontal slice through that part of the new board in the water, was an asymmetrical diamond shape; that shape based on the theory of naval architect Nils Lucander.? We went to this design for 4 reasons: Draft reduction:? While the Rhodes sails reasonably well on just the keel alone, when electing to sail with the "board" fully down the Rhodes would now be able to sail in about 6 inches less water. Maintenance:??? In order for the control line on the original board to not "hum", its pendant was attached high up the trailing edge of the blade.? This required the employment of a 4:1 mechanical advantage; a mechanism that, while made of stainless steel and plastic, ended up with a shorter life span than in concert with the rest of the boat. The "diamondboard" is controlled by a simple direct pull amazingly long lasting pendant system. Safety:? We heard occasional horror stories of owners, sailing in accommodative water with their board fully down, having the boat raised by a wave or motor boat wake and then coming down so the board hit bottom and was then thrust straight up and through the centerboard trunk's cap.? This can never happen with the diamondboard's trigonometry. Efficiency:? I am not convinced planes fly because of lift created by the shape of their wings.? That would go against planes being able to fly upside down?? So I am less convinced that boat fins create "lift" to allow them to point, since water, compared to gaseous air, is a lot less compressible.? Lucander's take is that it is the area of the fin that resists lateral thrust, compared to the area of the fin that creates turbulence, that is the marker for efficiency.? (I don't know. My first semester at Purdue was when we first bombed Berlin and a lot of climate change has been going around since then.)? A"match" race would be interesting, if we could find two Rhodies with identical racing skills or, who lacked motivational influences so we could rotate them in two match tests.? But even then the two Rhodes would have to have been built identically and every Rhodie knows that has never happened. stan On 11/26/18 6:41 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Graham/Bob, > >> ?In the beginning? ... The centerboard and the rudder blade we?re the same identical foil. It was a very hydrodynamically efficient high aspect ratio foil. At some point in the 1980?s (?) Stan changed the designs of the centerboard and rudder blade. So, if you have a 1976 boat, your rudder blade is going to be thinner vs a newer boat. Stan claims the new rudder and centerboard offer better performance vs the older parts. But, that claim flies in the face of hydrofoil theory, so I?m a little sceptical. I?d love to see an old vs new boat match race. > Bob, I may have misunderstood something. Did your boat come with a bent rudder blade or did you notice the bend recently after the boat was sitting on the trailer. In the picture, it looks like the boat has sunk into the ground loading up the rudder blade. > > Roger Pihlaja > SV Dynamic Equilibrium > Sent from my iPhone > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Tue Nov 27 10:26:21 2018 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 10:26:21 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Roger!! In-Reply-To: References: <009b01d284af$8a3666d0$9ea33470$@ebsmed.com> <000301d284df$a48d68f0$eda83ad0$@ca> <007901d28a69$994e4b50$cbeae1f0$@ca> <99D63737-7347-4033-9FD7-6D169EC7D1BC@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Welcome Back Roger, So glad you still have that amazing custom boat! More importantly, you are still enjoying it and can share it with the grand kids.So glad you feel ok with the list now. All of us members will endeavor to keep it on task and subject. Chris & Alice Geankoplis S/V Enosis I On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 1:07 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Peter, > > I dropped off the list in 2002 because I was tired of the political rancor > vs boat talk. In the years since then, I earned a BSME degree to go with > my MSChE and BSChE degrees and spent 10 years as an engineering consultant > with Emerson Process Management. I?m retired now, but we still have our > 1978 Rhodes 22. We still mostly day sail it from our dock on Sanford Lake > in the central lower peninsula of Michigan. I?m still married to Deborah, > 41+ years now. I have 3 grandchildren, 2 girls and a boy. Kaylee, the > oldest is 4, and I?m looking forward to overnighting with her at the dock > and at anchor next summer. > > I know Stan and Rose have retired. Are they still selling Rhodes > pieces/parts, perhaps selling off old stock? > > Roger Pihlaja > SV Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Nov 26, 2018, at 12:51 PM, Peter Nyberg > wrote: > > > > Roger, > > > > I joined the list well after you stopped posting, but I feel I know you > from having spent many hours reading the list archives. I?m very happy to > see you posting once again. I hope the list can look forward to more of > your insights in the future. > > > > Peter Nyberg > > Coventry, CT > > s/v Silverheelsl (1988/2016) > > > > > >> On Nov 26, 2018, at 12:02 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > >> > >> Bob, > >> > >> > >> > >> I just took some rough measurements of the curvature of your rudder > from the attached picture. It is deflecting ~1.5% in compression buckling > mode. The rudder blade is made from glass fiber reinforced polyester (FRP) > with some internal ballast. Typical FRP composites have an ultimate > elongation of from 2-7%, with the failure point tending towards the low end > as the temperature drops because the plastic resin passes thru its glass > transition temperature and becomes brittle. I would NOT leave the rudder > loaded like that all winter. You have another issue in that the > compression on the rudder is loading up the rudder?s gudgeons and pintles > and the boat?s transom in a manner they were never designed to handle. By > spring, you may very well have hull damage on the transom. I would find > some way to get that rudder unloaded ASAP! > >> > >> > >> > >> If you unload it soon, you should see the rudder blade straighten out. > At your next opportunity, strip the bottom paint off the rudder and > carefully inspect it. You are looking for tiny transverse cracks (i.e. > running from side to side vs. the length of the rudder blade), especially > on the port side where the surface was in tension due to the buckling. If > you see these cracks, you might consider prepping the surface and applying > a couple of coats of WEST System epoxy to both sides of the rudder blade. > >> > >> > >> > >> Let me know how it turns out for you or if you have any other questions. > >> > >> > >> > >> Roger Pihlaja > >> > >> SV Dynamic Equilibrium > >> > > > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From rlowe at vt.edu Tue Nov 27 10:30:42 2018 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 15:30:42 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Roger!! In-Reply-To: References: <009b01d284af$8a3666d0$9ea33470$@ebsmed.com> <000301d284df$a48d68f0$eda83ad0$@ca> <007901d28a69$994e4b50$cbeae1f0$@ca> <99D63737-7347-4033-9FD7-6D169EC7D1BC@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Roger, If you have time, you should really go back and read Chris adventures. Chris, Do you have a list of all the links for all you postings? Would be helpful for the archives if they were all in one place. Thanks - rob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Chris Geankoplis Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 10:26 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Roger!! Welcome Back Roger, So glad you still have that amazing custom boat! More importantly, you are still enjoying it and can share it with the grand kids.So glad you feel ok with the list now. All of us members will endeavor to keep it on task and subject. Chris & Alice Geankoplis S/V Enosis I On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 1:07 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Peter, > > I dropped off the list in 2002 because I was tired of the political > rancor vs boat talk. In the years since then, I earned a BSME degree > to go with my MSChE and BSChE degrees and spent 10 years as an engineering consultant > with Emerson Process Management. I?m retired now, but we still have our > 1978 Rhodes 22. We still mostly day sail it from our dock on Sanford > Lake in the central lower peninsula of Michigan. I?m still married to > Deborah, > 41+ years now. I have 3 grandchildren, 2 girls and a boy. Kaylee, > 41+ the > oldest is 4, and I?m looking forward to overnighting with her at the > dock and at anchor next summer. > > I know Stan and Rose have retired. Are they still selling Rhodes > pieces/parts, perhaps selling off old stock? > > Roger Pihlaja > SV Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Nov 26, 2018, at 12:51 PM, Peter Nyberg > wrote: > > > > Roger, > > > > I joined the list well after you stopped posting, but I feel I know > > you > from having spent many hours reading the list archives. I?m very > happy to see you posting once again. I hope the list can look forward > to more of your insights in the future. > > > > Peter Nyberg > > Coventry, CT > > s/v Silverheelsl (1988/2016) > > > > > >> On Nov 26, 2018, at 12:02 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > >> > >> Bob, > >> > >> > >> > >> I just took some rough measurements of the curvature of your rudder > from the attached picture. It is deflecting ~1.5% in compression > buckling mode. The rudder blade is made from glass fiber reinforced > polyester (FRP) with some internal ballast. Typical FRP composites > have an ultimate elongation of from 2-7%, with the failure point > tending towards the low end as the temperature drops because the > plastic resin passes thru its glass transition temperature and becomes > brittle. I would NOT leave the rudder loaded like that all winter. > You have another issue in that the compression on the rudder is > loading up the rudder?s gudgeons and pintles and the boat?s transom in > a manner they were never designed to handle. By spring, you may very > well have hull damage on the transom. I would find some way to get that rudder unloaded ASAP! > >> > >> > >> > >> If you unload it soon, you should see the rudder blade straighten out. > At your next opportunity, strip the bottom paint off the rudder and > carefully inspect it. You are looking for tiny transverse cracks (i.e. > running from side to side vs. the length of the rudder blade), > especially on the port side where the surface was in tension due to > the buckling. If you see these cracks, you might consider prepping > the surface and applying a couple of coats of WEST System epoxy to both sides of the rudder blade. > >> > >> > >> > >> Let me know how it turns out for you or if you have any other questions. > >> > >> > >> > >> Roger Pihlaja > >> > >> SV Dynamic Equilibrium > >> > > > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and > > archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From snstaum at gmail.com Tue Nov 27 11:06:38 2018 From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 11:06:38 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Roger!! In-Reply-To: <99D63737-7347-4033-9FD7-6D169EC7D1BC@sunnybeeches.com> References: <009b01d284af$8a3666d0$9ea33470$@ebsmed.com> <000301d284df$a48d68f0$eda83ad0$@ca> <007901d28a69$994e4b50$cbeae1f0$@ca> <99D63737-7347-4033-9FD7-6D169EC7D1BC@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Roger, Welcome back to the list. Your expertise has been missed. Stephen Staum s/v Carol Lee 2 Needham, MA On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 12:52 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > Roger, > > I joined the list well after you stopped posting, but I feel I know you > from having spent many hours reading the list archives. I?m very happy to > see you posting once again. I hope the list can look forward to more of > your insights in the future. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheelsl (1988/2016) > > > > On Nov 26, 2018, at 12:02 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > > > > Bob, > > > > > > > > I just took some rough measurements of the curvature of your rudder from > the attached picture. It is deflecting ~1.5% in compression buckling > mode. The rudder blade is made from glass fiber reinforced polyester (FRP) > with some internal ballast. Typical FRP composites have an ultimate > elongation of from 2-7%, with the failure point tending towards the low end > as the temperature drops because the plastic resin passes thru its glass > transition temperature and becomes brittle. I would NOT leave the rudder > loaded like that all winter. You have another issue in that the > compression on the rudder is loading up the rudder?s gudgeons and pintles > and the boat?s transom in a manner they were never designed to handle. By > spring, you may very well have hull damage on the transom. I would find > some way to get that rudder unloaded ASAP! > > > > > > > > If you unload it soon, you should see the rudder blade straighten out. > At your next opportunity, strip the bottom paint off the rudder and > carefully inspect it. You are looking for tiny transverse cracks (i.e. > running from side to side vs. the length of the rudder blade), especially > on the port side where the surface was in tension due to the buckling. If > you see these cracks, you might consider prepping the surface and applying > a couple of coats of WEST System epoxy to both sides of the rudder blade. > > > > > > > > Let me know how it turns out for you or if you have any other questions. > > > > > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > > > SV Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > -- Stephen Staum Pariser Industries, Inc. From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Tue Nov 27 12:20:24 2018 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 12:20:24 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Roger!! In-Reply-To: References: <009b01d284af$8a3666d0$9ea33470$@ebsmed.com> <000301d284df$a48d68f0$eda83ad0$@ca> <007901d28a69$994e4b50$cbeae1f0$@ca> <99D63737-7347-4033-9FD7-6D169EC7D1BC@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Rob (et All), I was posting everything piecemeal and without much editing. I am about half way through a full edit (now that I'm back in the U.S.) and will try to post it all as a single link and document before Christmas. Also finally got to start doing the same for the last trip in the Sea of Cortez. Hope this will be a single document and link around the same time. Thanks for all the encouragement and comments. Chris & Alice SV Enosis I On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 10:30 AM Lowe, Rob wrote: > Roger, > If you have time, you should really go back and read Chris adventures. > > Chris, > Do you have a list of all the links for all you postings? Would be > helpful for the archives if they were all in one place. Thanks - rob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Chris Geankoplis > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 10:26 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Roger!! > > Welcome Back Roger, > So glad you still have that amazing > custom boat! More importantly, you are still enjoying it and can share it > with the grand kids.So glad you feel ok with the list now. All of us > members will endeavor to keep it on task and subject. > > Chris & Alice Geankoplis > S/V Enosis I > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 1:07 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > > > Peter, > > > > I dropped off the list in 2002 because I was tired of the political > > rancor vs boat talk. In the years since then, I earned a BSME degree > > to go with my MSChE and BSChE degrees and spent 10 years as an > engineering consultant > > with Emerson Process Management. I?m retired now, but we still have our > > 1978 Rhodes 22. We still mostly day sail it from our dock on Sanford > > Lake in the central lower peninsula of Michigan. I?m still married to > > Deborah, > > 41+ years now. I have 3 grandchildren, 2 girls and a boy. Kaylee, > > 41+ the > > oldest is 4, and I?m looking forward to overnighting with her at the > > dock and at anchor next summer. > > > > I know Stan and Rose have retired. Are they still selling Rhodes > > pieces/parts, perhaps selling off old stock? > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > SV Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Nov 26, 2018, at 12:51 PM, Peter Nyberg > > wrote: > > > > > > Roger, > > > > > > I joined the list well after you stopped posting, but I feel I know > > > you > > from having spent many hours reading the list archives. I?m very > > happy to see you posting once again. I hope the list can look forward > > to more of your insights in the future. > > > > > > Peter Nyberg > > > Coventry, CT > > > s/v Silverheelsl (1988/2016) > > > > > > > > >> On Nov 26, 2018, at 12:02 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Bob, > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> I just took some rough measurements of the curvature of your rudder > > from the attached picture. It is deflecting ~1.5% in compression > > buckling mode. The rudder blade is made from glass fiber reinforced > > polyester (FRP) with some internal ballast. Typical FRP composites > > have an ultimate elongation of from 2-7%, with the failure point > > tending towards the low end as the temperature drops because the > > plastic resin passes thru its glass transition temperature and becomes > > brittle. I would NOT leave the rudder loaded like that all winter. > > You have another issue in that the compression on the rudder is > > loading up the rudder?s gudgeons and pintles and the boat?s transom in > > a manner they were never designed to handle. By spring, you may very > > well have hull damage on the transom. I would find some way to get that > rudder unloaded ASAP! > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> If you unload it soon, you should see the rudder blade straighten out. > > At your next opportunity, strip the bottom paint off the rudder and > > carefully inspect it. You are looking for tiny transverse cracks (i.e. > > running from side to side vs. the length of the rudder blade), > > especially on the port side where the surface was in tension due to > > the buckling. If you see these cracks, you might consider prepping > > the surface and applying a couple of coats of WEST System epoxy to both > sides of the rudder blade. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Let me know how it turns out for you or if you have any other > questions. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Roger Pihlaja > > >> > > >> SV Dynamic Equilibrium > > >> > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and > > > archives > > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From joedempsey at hughes.net Wed Nov 28 11:01:02 2018 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (JP Dempsey) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 09:01:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22 In-Reply-To: <009b01d284af$8a3666d0$9ea33470$@ebsmed.com> References: <009b01d284af$8a3666d0$9ea33470$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: <1543420862759-0.post@n5.nabble.com> While not an optimum situation, I would think it not much different than offsetting for engine torque while motoring. How it could happen in the first place is a question. Check out "Inspecting the Aging Sailboat" by "Practical Sailor". If your rudder is wood cored it could have warped. You may want to drill a hole from the bottom upward into the core (water may even drain) you could determine what kind of core, if any is present. ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Marshall,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From Colealexander at hotmail.com Wed Nov 28 12:57:15 2018 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 10:57:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Locking the Pop-Top? In-Reply-To: <1537096805397-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1537096805397-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1543427835967-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Mine came from the shop with a cleat on the vertical part of the step, so a line could be hooked to the poptop frame and latched down. It seemed to work OK, but I'm lazy and try to maximize sailing time instead of dock time. I drilled a hole in the support frame on one side, so the spring pin can lock in both the down and up position on that side. I doubt I weakened the tubing much. I'm sure the line is stronger. Alex ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From melrothbard at yahoo.com Sat Nov 10 12:39:38 2018 From: melrothbard at yahoo.com (Melvyn Rothbard) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 17:39:38 -0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The Rhodes 22 Mast Hoist System References: <521103034.240630.1541871567069.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <521103034.240630.1541871567069@mail.yahoo.com> In response to a question last week, I am attaching a copy of Stan's booklet with directions for raising and lowering the IMF mast with the Mast Hoist System. Mel Rothbard Melvyn H. 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