From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Mon Apr 1 00:00:00 2019 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 00:00:00 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launching tomorrow In-Reply-To: References: <027c01d4e649$45878f20$d096ad60$@ca> <00AB7576-51BE-444D-9B80-A2746AB6907D@me.com> Message-ID: <000001d4e83f$63c07d10$2b417730$@ca> Alexis: I think that is far too much tension. More than a few Rhodes have been damaged by rigs that were too tight. I don't have the IMF mast so I can't give advice specific to your rig, but if you don't have Stan,s instructions for tensioning the rig I would get them and follow them carefully. Generally though, so long as the mast is staying in position you don't need or want more tension on the rig. Graham Stewart Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Alexis Seigneurin Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 10:28 PM To: Theodore Boender; The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launching tomorrow I said I was going to launch my boat this weekend but I unfortunately had to give up. I had prepared the outboard (started on the first pull!), raised the mast (went smoothly!) and tensioned the rigging. I was ready to launch, but the first problem arose when trying to pull the tongue of the trailer. I couldn?t extend it because the cable of the brakes (hydraulic?) was too short and I didn?t think it was a good idea to disconnect it. This, combined with the fact that the ramp was not very steep, that meant the truck was going to have to go in the water. Not great. I tried anyway, but the ramp was too short, and going pas the end of the ramp meant more trouble. The hull of the Rhodes was still standing 3-4 inches above the water and I just couldn?t launch, so I decided to abort. My boat is back on the boatyard and I?m hoping to get in the water with a forklift next weekend. The great thing is raising the mast was easy and I am now confident I can do it again fairly quickly. One question I have is how much tension to put in the rigging. I put 300 lbs in the upper shrouds and 200 on the four lower shrouds. Do that sound about right? (For what it?s worth, I have an IMF.) Alexis ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Theodore Boender via Rhodes22-list Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 5:39 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launching tomorrow I won?t bring up the fact that I?ve been sailing all year? Cheers, Ted S/V AIRPOWER 1991/2013 R22 Jacksonville, FL > On Mar 29, 2019, at 12:05 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: > > Must be nice to be able to launch so early in the year. The ice in front of > my house (Lake Ontario) is stll thick enough to drive a truck on it. > > Graham Stewart > Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 > Kingston Ontario > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of > Alexis Seigneurin > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 8:39 AM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launching tomorrow > > Hi all! > > I am going to launch my boat tomorrow in Deltaville. This will be my first > time raising the mast and launching. This is a bit intimidating but very > exciting! > > If anyone of you is around and wants to join, let me know. > > Alexis > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From boendert at me.com Mon Apr 1 06:29:19 2019 From: boendert at me.com (Theodore Boender) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 06:29:19 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launching tomorrow In-Reply-To: <000001d4e83f$63c07d10$2b417730$@ca> References: <027c01d4e649$45878f20$d096ad60$@ca> <00AB7576-51BE-444D-9B80-A2746AB6907D@me.com> <000001d4e83f$63c07d10$2b417730$@ca> Message-ID: <52A24FE1-7753-4C99-B233-FCFE03EFED25@me.com> Hand tight. No tools needed. Cheers, Ted S/V AIRPOWER 1991/2013 R22 Jacksonville, FL > On Apr 1, 2019, at 12:00 AM, Graham Stewart wrote: > > Alexis: > I think that is far too much tension. More than a few Rhodes have been damaged by rigs that were too tight. I don't have the IMF mast so I can't give advice specific to your rig, but if you don't have Stan,s instructions for tensioning the rig I would get them and follow them carefully. Generally though, so long as the mast is staying in position you don't need or want more tension on the rig. > > > Graham Stewart > Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 > Kingston Ontario > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Alexis Seigneurin > Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 10:28 PM > To: Theodore Boender; The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launching tomorrow > > I said I was going to launch my boat this weekend but I unfortunately had to give up. I had prepared the outboard (started on the first pull!), raised the mast (went smoothly!) and tensioned the rigging. > > I was ready to launch, but the first problem arose when trying to pull the tongue of the trailer. I couldn?t extend it because the cable of the brakes (hydraulic?) was too short and I didn?t think it was a good idea to disconnect it. This, combined with the fact that the ramp was not very steep, that meant the truck was going to have to go in the water. Not great. > > I tried anyway, but the ramp was too short, and going pas the end of the ramp meant more trouble. The hull of the Rhodes was still standing 3-4 inches above the water and I just couldn?t launch, so I decided to abort. > > My boat is back on the boatyard and I?m hoping to get in the water with a forklift next weekend. The great thing is raising the mast was easy and I am now confident I can do it again fairly quickly. > > One question I have is how much tension to put in the rigging. I put 300 lbs in the upper shrouds and 200 on the four lower shrouds. Do that sound about right? (For what it?s worth, I have an IMF.) > > Alexis > > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Theodore Boender via Rhodes22-list > Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 5:39 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launching tomorrow > > I won?t bring up the fact that I?ve been sailing all year? > > Cheers, > Ted > > S/V AIRPOWER > 1991/2013 R22 > Jacksonville, FL > > > >> On Mar 29, 2019, at 12:05 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: >> >> Must be nice to be able to launch so early in the year. The ice in front of >> my house (Lake Ontario) is stll thick enough to drive a truck on it. >> >> Graham Stewart >> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 >> Kingston Ontario >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of >> Alexis Seigneurin >> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 8:39 AM >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launching tomorrow >> >> Hi all! >> >> I am going to launch my boat tomorrow in Deltaville. This will be my first >> time raising the mast and launching. This is a bit intimidating but very >> exciting! >> >> If anyone of you is around and wants to join, let me know. >> >> Alexis >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From mike at traildesign.com Mon Apr 1 08:42:40 2019 From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 08:42:40 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another Solar discussion Message-ID: Hi Rhodies. I just purchased a 110w solar panel and Victron MPPT charge controller. My Rhodes has one of the factory panels on it. For those of you that have added solar panels, did you keep and add in the factory panel or just remove it? Michael Riter President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training mike at traildesign.com 678-410-8021 From keywestseccorp at verizon.net Mon Apr 1 09:08:51 2019 From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 13:08:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another Solar discussion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1359255246.14433479.1554124131808@mail.yahoo.com> I put the original on the starter battery (motor)? new solar panel to house battery's bank (three battery's) mainly use shore power and battery maintainer's? -----Original Message----- From: Mike Riter To: rhodes22-list Sent: Mon, Apr 1, 2019 8:43 am Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another Solar discussion Hi Rhodies. I just purchased a 110w solar panel and Victron MPPT charge controller. My Rhodes has one of the factory panels on it. For those of you that have added solar panels, did you keep and add in the factory panel or just remove it? Michael Riter President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training mike at traildesign.com 678-410-8021 __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From mike at traildesign.com Mon Apr 1 09:12:14 2019 From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 09:12:14 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another Solar discussion In-Reply-To: <1359255246.14433479.1554124131808@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1359255246.14433479.1554124131808@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Mark. I should have added. I'm the starter for the outboard, so no starter battery. I have a two battery house bank totaling 200 ah. Michael Riter President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training mike at traildesign.com 678-410-8021 On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 9:08 AM Mark West via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > I put the original on the starter battery (motor) new solar panel to > house battery's bank (three battery's) mainly use shore power and battery > maintainer's > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Riter > To: rhodes22-list > Sent: Mon, Apr 1, 2019 8:43 am > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another Solar discussion > > Hi Rhodies. I just purchased a 110w solar panel and Victron MPPT charge > controller. My Rhodes has one of the factory panels on it. For those of you > that have added solar panels, did you keep and add in the factory panel or > just remove it? > > Michael Riter > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training > mike at traildesign.com > 678-410-8021 > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Mon Apr 1 09:34:07 2019 From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 09:34:07 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launching tomorrow In-Reply-To: <000001d4e83f$63c07d10$2b417730$@ca> References: <027c01d4e649$45878f20$d096ad60$@ca> <00AB7576-51BE-444D-9B80-A2746AB6907D@me.com> <000001d4e83f$63c07d10$2b417730$@ca> Message-ID: <2f7ae734-e6d5-e34d-d2ad-c4bef685df76@atlanticbb.net> Agreed. Hand tight. We did use a Loos gauge to make sure they were even side to side once we were in the water but that had to be done on a quiet day with no one moving around the boat. Too much and you will start to depress the deck over the compression post in the cabin. It can even depress the compression post into the fiberglass depending on how the boat was constructed (all Rhodes 22s are not the same) or has been maintained. Note that if you did not buy your boat from General Boats, there are two versions of the Owners Manual (two different years) in the documents section of the Rhodes22.0rg website. http://rhodes22.org/doclib/index.html Mary Lou Ex Rhodes 22 now Rosborough RF-246 Rock Hall, MD On 4/1/2019 12:00 AM, Graham Stewart wrote: > Alexis: > I think that is far too much tension. More than a few Rhodes have been damaged by rigs that were too tight. I don't have the IMF mast so I can't give advice specific to your rig, but if you don't have Stan,s instructions for tensioning the rig I would get them and follow them carefully. Generally though, so long as the mast is staying in position you don't need or want more tension on the rig. > > > Graham Stewart > Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 > Kingston Ontario > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Alexis Seigneurin > Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 10:28 PM > To: Theodore Boender; The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launching tomorrow > > I said I was going to launch my boat this weekend but I unfortunately had to give up. I had prepared the outboard (started on the first pull!), raised the mast (went smoothly!) and tensioned the rigging. > > I was ready to launch, but the first problem arose when trying to pull the tongue of the trailer. I couldn?t extend it because the cable of the brakes (hydraulic?) was too short and I didn?t think it was a good idea to disconnect it. This, combined with the fact that the ramp was not very steep, that meant the truck was going to have to go in the water. Not great. > > I tried anyway, but the ramp was too short, and going pas the end of the ramp meant more trouble. The hull of the Rhodes was still standing 3-4 inches above the water and I just couldn?t launch, so I decided to abort. > > My boat is back on the boatyard and I?m hoping to get in the water with a forklift next weekend. The great thing is raising the mast was easy and I am now confident I can do it again fairly quickly. > > One question I have is how much tension to put in the rigging. I put 300 lbs in the upper shrouds and 200 on the four lower shrouds. Do that sound about right? (For what it?s worth, I have an IMF.) > > Alexis > > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Theodore Boender via Rhodes22-list > Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 5:39 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launching tomorrow > > I won?t bring up the fact that I?ve been sailing all year? > > Cheers, > Ted > > S/V AIRPOWER > 1991/2013 R22 > Jacksonville, FL > > > >> On Mar 29, 2019, at 12:05 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: >> >> Must be nice to be able to launch so early in the year. The ice in front of >> my house (Lake Ontario) is stll thick enough to drive a truck on it. >> >> Graham Stewart >> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 >> Kingston Ontario >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of >> Alexis Seigneurin >> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 8:39 AM >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launching tomorrow >> >> Hi all! >> >> I am going to launch my boat tomorrow in Deltaville. This will be my first >> time raising the mast and launching. This is a bit intimidating but very >> exciting! >> >> If anyone of you is around and wants to join, let me know. >> >> Alexis >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com Mon Apr 1 10:26:48 2019 From: alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com (Alexis Seigneurin) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 14:26:48 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launching tomorrow In-Reply-To: <2f7ae734-e6d5-e34d-d2ad-c4bef685df76@atlanticbb.net> References: <027c01d4e649$45878f20$d096ad60$@ca> <00AB7576-51BE-444D-9B80-A2746AB6907D@me.com> <000001d4e83f$63c07d10$2b417730$@ca>, <2f7ae734-e6d5-e34d-d2ad-c4bef685df76@atlanticbb.net> Message-ID: Thanks all for your feedback. I had read Roger?s post which gave some advice about tensioning the rigging: http://www.rhodes22.org/doclib/Rhodes22-RigTuning.doc I will read the user manual from General Boats. Alexis ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Mary Lou Troy Sent: Monday, April 1, 2019 9:34 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launching tomorrow Agreed. Hand tight. We did use a Loos gauge to make sure they were even side to side once we were in the water but that had to be done on a quiet day with no one moving around the boat. Too much and you will start to depress the deck over the compression post in the cabin. It can even depress the compression post into the fiberglass depending on how the boat was constructed (all Rhodes 22s are not the same) or has been maintained. Note that if you did not buy your boat from General Boats, there are two versions of the Owners Manual (two different years) in the documents section of the Rhodes22.0rg website. http://rhodes22.org/doclib/index.html Mary Lou Ex Rhodes 22 now Rosborough RF-246 Rock Hall, MD On 4/1/2019 12:00 AM, Graham Stewart wrote: > Alexis: > I think that is far too much tension. More than a few Rhodes have been damaged by rigs that were too tight. I don't have the IMF mast so I can't give advice specific to your rig, but if you don't have Stan,s instructions for tensioning the rig I would get them and follow them carefully. Generally though, so long as the mast is staying in position you don't need or want more tension on the rig. > > > Graham Stewart > Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 > Kingston Ontario > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Alexis Seigneurin > Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 10:28 PM > To: Theodore Boender; The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launching tomorrow > > I said I was going to launch my boat this weekend but I unfortunately had to give up. I had prepared the outboard (started on the first pull!), raised the mast (went smoothly!) and tensioned the rigging. > > I was ready to launch, but the first problem arose when trying to pull the tongue of the trailer. I couldn?t extend it because the cable of the brakes (hydraulic?) was too short and I didn?t think it was a good idea to disconnect it. This, combined with the fact that the ramp was not very steep, that meant the truck was going to have to go in the water. Not great. > > I tried anyway, but the ramp was too short, and going pas the end of the ramp meant more trouble. The hull of the Rhodes was still standing 3-4 inches above the water and I just couldn?t launch, so I decided to abort. > > My boat is back on the boatyard and I?m hoping to get in the water with a forklift next weekend. The great thing is raising the mast was easy and I am now confident I can do it again fairly quickly. > > One question I have is how much tension to put in the rigging. I put 300 lbs in the upper shrouds and 200 on the four lower shrouds. Do that sound about right? (For what it?s worth, I have an IMF.) > > Alexis > > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Theodore Boender via Rhodes22-list > Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 5:39 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launching tomorrow > > I won?t bring up the fact that I?ve been sailing all year? > > Cheers, > Ted > > S/V AIRPOWER > 1991/2013 R22 > Jacksonville, FL > > > >> On Mar 29, 2019, at 12:05 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: >> >> Must be nice to be able to launch so early in the year. The ice in front of >> my house (Lake Ontario) is stll thick enough to drive a truck on it. >> >> Graham Stewart >> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 >> Kingston Ontario >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of >> Alexis Seigneurin >> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 8:39 AM >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launching tomorrow >> >> Hi all! >> >> I am going to launch my boat tomorrow in Deltaville. This will be my first >> time raising the mast and launching. This is a bit intimidating but very >> exciting! >> >> If anyone of you is around and wants to join, let me know. >> >> Alexis >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From peter at sunnybeeches.com Mon Apr 1 10:37:00 2019 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 10:37:00 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another Solar discussion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9C981D4A-9A83-41FF-88E3-16504954D303@sunnybeeches.com> Mike, For now, I?ve kept the smaller factory installed panels. More juice is more juice. On the other hand, they do kind of clutter up the cabin top, and interfere with hand rails, so I may remove them some day. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On Apr 1, 2019, at 8:42 AM, Mike Riter wrote: > > Hi Rhodies. I just purchased a 110w solar panel and Victron MPPT charge > controller. My Rhodes has one of the factory panels on it. For those of you > that have added solar panels, did you keep and add in the factory panel or > just remove it? > > Michael Riter > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training > mike at traildesign.com > 678-410-8021 > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From mike at traildesign.com Tue Apr 2 08:31:12 2019 From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 08:31:12 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another Solar discussion In-Reply-To: <9C981D4A-9A83-41FF-88E3-16504954D303@sunnybeeches.com> References: <9C981D4A-9A83-41FF-88E3-16504954D303@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Thanks Peter. Did you wire them to the same charge controller? Series or parallel? Michael Riter President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training mike at traildesign.com 678-410-8021 On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 10:56 AM Peter Nyberg wrote: > Mike, > > For now, I?ve kept the smaller factory installed panels. More juice is > more juice. On the other hand, they do kind of clutter up the cabin top, > and interfere with hand rails, so I may remove them some day. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > > On Apr 1, 2019, at 8:42 AM, Mike Riter wrote: > > > > Hi Rhodies. I just purchased a 110w solar panel and Victron MPPT charge > > controller. My Rhodes has one of the factory panels on it. For those of > you > > that have added solar panels, did you keep and add in the factory panel > or > > just remove it? > > > > Michael Riter > > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. > > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training > > mike at traildesign.com > > 678-410-8021 > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From Bgarrant at gmail.com Tue Apr 2 08:58:09 2019 From: Bgarrant at gmail.com (Bgarrant) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 05:58:09 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where is the bilge? Message-ID: <1554209889310-0.post@n5.nabble.com> This is a silly question, or questions. Where is the bilge? How do I access the bilge?. I purchased a refurbished 2000 Rhodes from Stan in 2017. The cabin sole is covered with a single piece of wall-to-wall carpet. Do I need to lift up the carpet to access the bilge? Bob Garrant s/v Sail la Vie 2000 Kent Island, MD -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From hnw555 at gmail.com Tue Apr 2 09:04:54 2019 From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 09:04:54 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where is the bilge? In-Reply-To: <1554209889310-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1554209889310-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Yes, lift up the carpet and you'll see the access. On Tue, Apr 2, 2019, 8:58 AM Bgarrant wrote: > This is a silly question, or questions. > > Where is the bilge? > How do I access the bilge?. > I purchased a refurbished 2000 Rhodes from Stan in 2017. > The cabin sole is covered with a single piece of wall-to-wall carpet. > Do I need to lift up the carpet to access the bilge? > > Bob Garrant > s/v Sail la Vie 2000 > Kent Island, MD > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From bgarrant at gmail.com Tue Apr 2 09:05:38 2019 From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 09:05:38 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where is the bilge? In-Reply-To: References: <1554209889310-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Thanks much On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 9:05 AM Hank wrote: > Yes, lift up the carpet and you'll see the access. > > On Tue, Apr 2, 2019, 8:58 AM Bgarrant wrote: > > > This is a silly question, or questions. > > > > Where is the bilge? > > How do I access the bilge?. > > I purchased a refurbished 2000 Rhodes from Stan in 2017. > > The cabin sole is covered with a single piece of wall-to-wall carpet. > > Do I need to lift up the carpet to access the bilge? > > > > Bob Garrant > > s/v Sail la Vie 2000 > > Kent Island, MD > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Tue Apr 2 09:07:40 2019 From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 09:07:40 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where is the bilge? In-Reply-To: <1554209889310-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1554209889310-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <47b73567-c007-8bfc-284c-9d2ca83cbb28@atlanticbb.net> Yes - lift up the carpet (we always found it easiest to start by the sink) and there should be a either an access plate you unscrew or a piece of flooring you can lift up. Our 1998 had both. Mary Lou ex Rhodes 22 now Rosborough RF-246?? Tara Rock Hall, MD On 4/2/2019 8:58 AM, Bgarrant wrote: > This is a silly question, or questions. > > Where is the bilge? > How do I access the bilge?. > I purchased a refurbished 2000 Rhodes from Stan in 2017. > The cabin sole is covered with a single piece of wall-to-wall carpet. > Do I need to lift up the carpet to access the bilge? > > Bob Garrant > s/v Sail la Vie 2000 > Kent Island, MD > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com Tue Apr 2 09:09:41 2019 From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 09:09:41 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where is the bilge? In-Reply-To: References: <1554209889310-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Similar question: lately I?ve been noticing water in the bilge when I go down to check on the boat (it?s in a slip at a lake, and I go down every few weeks). Anyone have any thoughts on how water gets into the bilge? Frank Goldsmith s/v Mary Bess Lake Keowee, SC > On Apr 2, 2019, at 9:04 AM, Hank wrote: > > Yes, lift up the carpet and you'll see the access. > > On Tue, Apr 2, 2019, 8:58 AM Bgarrant wrote: > >> This is a silly question, or questions. >> >> Where is the bilge? >> How do I access the bilge?. >> I purchased a refurbished 2000 Rhodes from Stan in 2017. >> The cabin sole is covered with a single piece of wall-to-wall carpet. >> Do I need to lift up the carpet to access the bilge? >> >> Bob Garrant >> s/v Sail la Vie 2000 >> Kent Island, MD >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Tue Apr 2 09:15:04 2019 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 13:15:04 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where is the bilge? In-Reply-To: References: <1554209889310-0.post@n5.nabble.com> , Message-ID: Bob, On my boat, there is a removable wooden grate ~3?X4? immediately aft of the compression post in the main cabin that gives access to the bilge. It just slips into place. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 2, 2019, at 9:05 AM, Bob Garrant wrote: > > Thanks much > >> On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 9:05 AM Hank wrote: >> >> Yes, lift up the carpet and you'll see the access. >> >>> On Tue, Apr 2, 2019, 8:58 AM Bgarrant wrote: >>> >>> This is a silly question, or questions. >>> >>> Where is the bilge? >>> How do I access the bilge?. >>> I purchased a refurbished 2000 Rhodes from Stan in 2017. >>> The cabin sole is covered with a single piece of wall-to-wall carpet. >>> Do I need to lift up the carpet to access the bilge? >>> >>> Bob Garrant >>> s/v Sail la Vie 2000 >>> Kent Island, MD >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >>> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From bgarrant at gmail.com Tue Apr 2 09:15:44 2019 From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 09:15:44 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where is the bilge? In-Reply-To: <47b73567-c007-8bfc-284c-9d2ca83cbb28@atlanticbb.net> References: <1554209889310-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <47b73567-c007-8bfc-284c-9d2ca83cbb28@atlanticbb.net> Message-ID: Thanks Mary Lou. I suspected that was the case but I figured i would ask before pulling it up. I see you?re out of Rock Hall. I?ve done the Patopskut Race to Rock Hall a couple of times and overnighted at Haven Harbor. We?ve always enjoyed our visits there. I used to sail from Round Bay up on the Severn to get to Baltimore Light for the start of the race so that was a bit of a trek. We just moved over to Kent Island and now I?m keeping my boat at Castle Marina. I expect to get to Rock Hall every so often since I?m only ~10 miles south now. I did my first sail of the season last Friday just To get out before March. Enjoy the season and thanks again for the reply. Bob On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 9:08 AM Mary Lou Troy wrote: > Yes - lift up the carpet (we always found it easiest to start by the > sink) and there should be a either an access plate you unscrew or a > piece of flooring you can lift up. Our 1998 had both. > > Mary Lou > ex Rhodes 22 > now Rosborough RF-246 Tara > Rock Hall, MD > > On 4/2/2019 8:58 AM, Bgarrant wrote: > > This is a silly question, or questions. > > > > Where is the bilge? > > How do I access the bilge?. > > I purchased a refurbished 2000 Rhodes from Stan in 2017. > > The cabin sole is covered with a single piece of wall-to-wall carpet. > > Do I need to lift up the carpet to access the bilge? > > > > Bob Garrant > > s/v Sail la Vie 2000 > > Kent Island, MD > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Tue Apr 2 09:21:15 2019 From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 09:21:15 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where is the bilge? In-Reply-To: References: <1554209889310-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <466fa45b-2627-ccfa-a716-1693d62a1f04@atlanticbb.net> Let me count the ways: 1) condensation 2) leaks around ports 3) leaks in the cockpit drain hoses (water can flow from the lazarette forward to the bilge) 4) leak at the centerboard cap 5) deck leaks (some piece of hardware needs rebedding.) 6) rub rail/hull joint (if it happens when sailing heeled) 7) others I haven't thought of Our usual culprits were the ports and the deck hardware. It's a slow process of elimination but a Rhodes 22 can have a dry bilge. Best of luck Mary Lou ex Rhodes 22 now Rosborough RF-246? Tara Rock Hall, MD On 4/2/2019 9:09 AM, Frank Goldsmith wrote: > Similar question: lately I?ve been noticing water in the bilge when I go down to check on the boat (it?s in a slip at a lake, and I go down every few weeks). Anyone have any thoughts on how water gets into the bilge? > > Frank Goldsmith > s/v Mary Bess > Lake Keowee, SC > > >> On Apr 2, 2019, at 9:04 AM, Hank wrote: >> >> Yes, lift up the carpet and you'll see the access. >> >> On Tue, Apr 2, 2019, 8:58 AM Bgarrant wrote: >> >>> This is a silly question, or questions. >>> >>> Where is the bilge? >>> How do I access the bilge?. >>> I purchased a refurbished 2000 Rhodes from Stan in 2017. >>> The cabin sole is covered with a single piece of wall-to-wall carpet. >>> Do I need to lift up the carpet to access the bilge? >>> >>> Bob Garrant >>> s/v Sail la Vie 2000 >>> Kent Island, MD >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >>> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com Tue Apr 2 09:33:43 2019 From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 09:33:43 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where is the bilge? In-Reply-To: <466fa45b-2627-ccfa-a716-1693d62a1f04@atlanticbb.net> References: <1554209889310-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <466fa45b-2627-ccfa-a716-1693d62a1f04@atlanticbb.net> Message-ID: <07736ECE-7747-40CE-BE4F-74A1745A2EA2@gmail.com> Thanks, Mary Lou. I?ll start checking. Our Rhodes once had a dry bilge, and I want to get back to that point. Frank > On Apr 2, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Mary Lou Troy wrote: > > Let me count the ways: > 1) condensation > 2) leaks around ports > 3) leaks in the cockpit drain hoses (water can flow from the lazarette forward to the bilge) > 4) leak at the centerboard cap > 5) deck leaks (some piece of hardware needs rebedding.) > 6) rub rail/hull joint (if it happens when sailing heeled) > 7) others I haven't thought of > > Our usual culprits were the ports and the deck hardware. > > It's a slow process of elimination but a Rhodes 22 can have a dry bilge. > > Best of luck > > Mary Lou > ex Rhodes 22 > now Rosborough RF-246 Tara > Rock Hall, MD > > > On 4/2/2019 9:09 AM, Frank Goldsmith wrote: >> Similar question: lately I?ve been noticing water in the bilge when I go down to check on the boat (it?s in a slip at a lake, and I go down every few weeks). Anyone have any thoughts on how water gets into the bilge? >> >> Frank Goldsmith >> s/v Mary Bess >> Lake Keowee, SC >> >> >>> On Apr 2, 2019, at 9:04 AM, Hank wrote: >>> >>> Yes, lift up the carpet and you'll see the access. >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 2, 2019, 8:58 AM Bgarrant wrote: >>> >>>> This is a silly question, or questions. >>>> >>>> Where is the bilge? >>>> How do I access the bilge?. >>>> I purchased a refurbished 2000 Rhodes from Stan in 2017. >>>> The cabin sole is covered with a single piece of wall-to-wall carpet. >>>> Do I need to lift up the carpet to access the bilge? >>>> >>>> Bob Garrant >>>> s/v Sail la Vie 2000 >>>> Kent Island, MD >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>>> >>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >>>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From peter at sunnybeeches.com Tue Apr 2 10:11:50 2019 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 10:11:50 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another Solar discussion In-Reply-To: References: <9C981D4A-9A83-41FF-88E3-16504954D303@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <310F5450-3E2C-4BB8-B546-9095A8C54F0B@sunnybeeches.com> The smaller solar panels are connected directly to the batteries (or, more specifically, to the batter monitor shunt). I decided to put my controller in the lazarette, so in order to connect them to the controller, I would have had to run more wires between the cabin and the lazarette, which in my boat is not easy. Since I?m not worried about the small panels overcharging the batteries, I took the path of least resistance. ?Peter > On Apr 2, 2019, at 8:31 AM, Mike Riter wrote: > > Thanks Peter. Did you wire them to the same charge controller? Series or > parallel? > > Michael Riter > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training > mike at traildesign.com > 678-410-8021 > > > > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 10:56 AM Peter Nyberg wrote: > >> Mike, >> >> For now, I?ve kept the smaller factory installed panels. More juice is >> more juice. On the other hand, they do kind of clutter up the cabin top, >> and interfere with hand rails, so I may remove them some day. >> >> Peter Nyberg >> Coventry, CT >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) >> >> >>> On Apr 1, 2019, at 8:42 AM, Mike Riter wrote: >>> >>> Hi Rhodies. I just purchased a 110w solar panel and Victron MPPT charge >>> controller. My Rhodes has one of the factory panels on it. For those of >> you >>> that have added solar panels, did you keep and add in the factory panel >> or >>> just remove it? >>> >>> Michael Riter >>> President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. >>> Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training >>> mike at traildesign.com >>> 678-410-8021 >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives >> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From daysails at aol.com Tue Apr 2 11:42:30 2019 From: daysails at aol.com (daysails at aol.com) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 15:42:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another Solar discussion References: <293149706.15226231.1554219750611.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <293149706.15226231.1554219750611@mail.yahoo.com> Lol!? I learned and I laughed.? Thanks, Joe Riley? S/V Second Wind Athens, GA -----Original Message----- From: Peter Nyberg To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Sent: Tue, Apr 2, 2019 11:12 pm Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Another Solar discussion The smaller solar panels are connected directly to the batteries (or, more specifically, to the batter monitor shunt).? I decided to put my controller in the lazarette, so in order to connect them to the controller, I would have had to run more wires between the cabin and the lazarette, which in my boat is not easy.? Since I?m not worried about the small panels overcharging the batteries, I took the path of least resistance. ?Peter > On Apr 2, 2019, at 8:31 AM, Mike Riter wrote: > > Thanks Peter. Did you wire them to the same charge controller? Series or > parallel? > > Michael Riter > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training > mike at traildesign.com > 678-410-8021 > > > > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 10:56 AM Peter Nyberg wrote: > >> Mike, >> >> For now, I?ve kept the smaller factory installed panels.? More juice is >> more juice.? On the other hand, they do kind of clutter up the cabin top, >> and interfere with hand rails, so I may remove them some day. >> >> Peter Nyberg >> Coventry, CT >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) >> >> >>> On Apr 1, 2019, at 8:42 AM, Mike Riter wrote: >>> >>> Hi Rhodies. I just purchased a 110w solar panel and Victron MPPT charge >>> controller. My Rhodes has one of the factory panels on it. For those of >> you >>> that have added solar panels, did you keep and add in the factory panel >> or >>> just remove it? >>> >>> Michael Riter >>> President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. >>> Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training >>> mike at traildesign.com >>> 678-410-8021 >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives >> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From daysails at aol.com Tue Apr 2 11:49:43 2019 From: daysails at aol.com (daysails at aol.com) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 15:49:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where is the bilge? References: <1496727982.15249738.1554220183842.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1496727982.15249738.1554220183842@mail.yahoo.com> I think it is a great that many (most?) of us don't know where the bilge access is located even after years of ownership. ? Thanks for building such a dry boat Stan. Joe Riley s/v Second Wind Athens, GA ? -----Original Message----- From: Bgarrant To: rhodes22-list Sent: Tue, Apr 2, 2019 9:58 pm Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where is the bilge? This is a silly question, or questions. Where is the bilge? How do I access the bilge?. I purchased a refurbished 2000 Rhodes from Stan in 2017. The cabin sole is covered with a single piece of wall-to-wall carpet. Do I need to lift up the carpet to access the bilge? Bob Garrant s/v Sail la Vie 2000 Kent Island, MD -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From boendert at me.com Tue Apr 2 12:12:48 2019 From: boendert at me.com (Theodore Boender) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 12:12:48 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where is the bilge? In-Reply-To: <1496727982.15249738.1554220183842@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1496727982.15249738.1554220183842.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1496727982.15249738.1554220183842@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3A106889-7708-4BAC-8545-9FD4007F7ED2@me.com> Yes, left up the carpet and you will see plywood access hatch. I check mine routinely but it?s always dry. Cheers, Ted S/V AIRPOWER 1991/2013 R22 Jacksonville, FL > On Apr 2, 2019, at 11:49 AM, Sling via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > I think it is a great that many (most?) of us don't know where the bilge access is located even after years of ownership. Thanks for building such a dry boat Stan. Joe Riley s/v Second Wind Athens, GA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bgarrant > To: rhodes22-list > Sent: Tue, Apr 2, 2019 9:58 pm > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where is the bilge? > > This is a silly question, or questions. > > Where is the bilge? > How do I access the bilge?. > I purchased a refurbished 2000 Rhodes from Stan in 2017. > The cabin sole is covered with a single piece of wall-to-wall carpet. > Do I need to lift up the carpet to access the bilge? > > Bob Garrant > s/v Sail la Vie 2000 > Kent Island, MD > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From michael.4591 at gmail.com Tue Apr 2 21:00:24 2019 From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 21:00:24 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launching tomorrow In-Reply-To: References: <027c01d4e649$45878f20$d096ad60$@ca> <00AB7576-51BE-444D-9B80-A2746AB6907D@me.com> Message-ID: Alexis, The brake cable on most Rhodes Trailers has a quick disconnect/connect and is designed to be disconnected to extend the trailer tongue. Should not even take any tools. Mike S/V Ranger Hampton Roads On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 10:28 PM Alexis Seigneurin < alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com> wrote: > I said I was going to launch my boat this weekend but I unfortunately had > to give up. I had prepared the outboard (started on the first pull!), > raised the mast (went smoothly!) and tensioned the rigging. > > I was ready to launch, but the first problem arose when trying to pull the > tongue of the trailer. I couldn?t extend it because the cable of the brakes > (hydraulic?) was too short and I didn?t think it was a good idea to > disconnect it. This, combined with the fact that the ramp was not very > steep, that meant the truck was going to have to go in the water. Not great. > > I tried anyway, but the ramp was too short, and going pas the end of the > ramp meant more trouble. The hull of the Rhodes was still standing 3-4 > inches above the water and I just couldn?t launch, so I decided to abort. > > My boat is back on the boatyard and I?m hoping to get in the water with a > forklift next weekend. The great thing is raising the mast was easy and I > am now confident I can do it again fairly quickly. > > One question I have is how much tension to put in the rigging. I put 300 > lbs in the upper shrouds and 200 on the four lower shrouds. Do that sound > about right? (For what it?s worth, I have an IMF.) > > Alexis > > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Theodore Boender via Rhodes22-list > Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 5:39 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launching tomorrow > > I won?t bring up the fact that I?ve been sailing all year? > > Cheers, > Ted > > S/V AIRPOWER > 1991/2013 R22 > Jacksonville, FL > > > > > On Mar 29, 2019, at 12:05 PM, Graham Stewart > wrote: > > > > Must be nice to be able to launch so early in the year. The ice in front > of > > my house (Lake Ontario) is stll thick enough to drive a truck on it. > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of > > Alexis Seigneurin > > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 8:39 AM > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launching tomorrow > > > > Hi all! > > > > I am going to launch my boat tomorrow in Deltaville. This will be my > first > > time raising the mast and launching. This is a bit intimidating but very > > exciting! > > > > If anyone of you is around and wants to join, let me know. > > > > Alexis > > > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com Tue Apr 2 21:37:09 2019 From: alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com (Alexis Seigneurin) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2019 01:37:09 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launching tomorrow In-Reply-To: References: <027c01d4e649$45878f20$d096ad60$@ca> <00AB7576-51BE-444D-9B80-A2746AB6907D@me.com> , Message-ID: Thanks Michael! Someone else also suggested checking that. I will have a look this weekend. Alexis ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Michael Corley Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2019 9:00 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launching tomorrow Alexis, The brake cable on most Rhodes Trailers has a quick disconnect/connect and is designed to be disconnected to extend the trailer tongue. Should not even take any tools. Mike S/V Ranger Hampton Roads On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 10:28 PM Alexis Seigneurin < alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com> wrote: > I said I was going to launch my boat this weekend but I unfortunately had > to give up. I had prepared the outboard (started on the first pull!), > raised the mast (went smoothly!) and tensioned the rigging. > > I was ready to launch, but the first problem arose when trying to pull the > tongue of the trailer. I couldn?t extend it because the cable of the brakes > (hydraulic?) was too short and I didn?t think it was a good idea to > disconnect it. This, combined with the fact that the ramp was not very > steep, that meant the truck was going to have to go in the water. Not great. > > I tried anyway, but the ramp was too short, and going pas the end of the > ramp meant more trouble. The hull of the Rhodes was still standing 3-4 > inches above the water and I just couldn?t launch, so I decided to abort. > > My boat is back on the boatyard and I?m hoping to get in the water with a > forklift next weekend. The great thing is raising the mast was easy and I > am now confident I can do it again fairly quickly. > > One question I have is how much tension to put in the rigging. I put 300 > lbs in the upper shrouds and 200 on the four lower shrouds. Do that sound > about right? (For what it?s worth, I have an IMF.) > > Alexis > > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Theodore Boender via Rhodes22-list > Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 5:39 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launching tomorrow > > I won?t bring up the fact that I?ve been sailing all year? > > Cheers, > Ted > > S/V AIRPOWER > 1991/2013 R22 > Jacksonville, FL > > > > > On Mar 29, 2019, at 12:05 PM, Graham Stewart > wrote: > > > > Must be nice to be able to launch so early in the year. The ice in front > of > > my house (Lake Ontario) is stll thick enough to drive a truck on it. > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of > > Alexis Seigneurin > > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 8:39 AM > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launching tomorrow > > > > Hi all! > > > > I am going to launch my boat tomorrow in Deltaville. This will be my > first > > time raising the mast and launching. This is a bit intimidating but very > > exciting! > > > > If anyone of you is around and wants to join, let me know. > > > > Alexis > > > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From bgarrant at gmail.com Thu Apr 4 22:06:53 2019 From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2019 22:06:53 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where is the bilge? In-Reply-To: <07736ECE-7747-40CE-BE4F-74A1745A2EA2@gmail.com> References: <1554209889310-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <466fa45b-2627-ccfa-a716-1693d62a1f04@atlanticbb.net> <07736ECE-7747-40CE-BE4F-74A1745A2EA2@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all I did as instructed and pulled back the carpet and located the access panel just aft of the post. I was quite relieved to find it totally dry. I appreciate the guidance and directions. Bob On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 9:33 AM Frank Goldsmith wrote: > Thanks, Mary Lou. I?ll start checking. Our Rhodes once had a dry bilge, > and I want to get back to that point. > > Frank > > > On Apr 2, 2019, at 9:21 AM, Mary Lou Troy wrote: > > > > Let me count the ways: > > 1) condensation > > 2) leaks around ports > > 3) leaks in the cockpit drain hoses (water can flow from the lazarette > forward to the bilge) > > 4) leak at the centerboard cap > > 5) deck leaks (some piece of hardware needs rebedding.) > > 6) rub rail/hull joint (if it happens when sailing heeled) > > 7) others I haven't thought of > > > > Our usual culprits were the ports and the deck hardware. > > > > It's a slow process of elimination but a Rhodes 22 can have a dry bilge. > > > > Best of luck > > > > Mary Lou > > ex Rhodes 22 > > now Rosborough RF-246 Tara > > Rock Hall, MD > > > > > > On 4/2/2019 9:09 AM, Frank Goldsmith wrote: > >> Similar question: lately I?ve been noticing water in the bilge when I > go down to check on the boat (it?s in a slip at a lake, and I go down every > few weeks). Anyone have any thoughts on how water gets into the bilge? > >> > >> Frank Goldsmith > >> s/v Mary Bess > >> Lake Keowee, SC > >> > >> > >>> On Apr 2, 2019, at 9:04 AM, Hank wrote: > >>> > >>> Yes, lift up the carpet and you'll see the access. > >>> > >>> On Tue, Apr 2, 2019, 8:58 AM Bgarrant wrote: > >>> > >>>> This is a silly question, or questions. > >>>> > >>>> Where is the bilge? > >>>> How do I access the bilge?. > >>>> I purchased a refurbished 2000 Rhodes from Stan in 2017. > >>>> The cabin sole is covered with a single piece of wall-to-wall carpet. > >>>> Do I need to lift up the carpet to access the bilge? > >>>> > >>>> Bob Garrant > >>>> s/v Sail la Vie 2000 > >>>> Kent Island, MD > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > >>>> __________________________________________________ > >>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > >>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > >>>> > >>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and > archives go > >>>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > >>>> __________________________________________________ > >>>> > >>> __________________________________________________ > >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > >>> > >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > >>> __________________________________________________ > >> __________________________________________________ > >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > >> > >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > >> __________________________________________________ > > > > > > --- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From michael.4591 at gmail.com Mon Apr 8 16:29:18 2019 From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2019 16:29:18 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Plant Visit/Parts Message-ID: Week before last went down to Edenton and had a brief visit with Stan. I had to replace a stay that was breaking. Also, ordered a new Boom outhaul car as my old one was cracked after 20 yrs. Same day service on the stay; Tino replaced it while I was chatting with Stan who is still as sharp as ever. Sad to see Rose whom I first met in 96 when she was helping Stan & Elton run the plant and caring for Stan's aging mother. As we were talking Stan asked me if it would be worthwhile to bring some parts to the Annapolis Boat Show. Told him I would ping Da List for feedback. If anyone needs parts I would encourage you to order them thru Stan. He can be reached at stan at generalboats.com Mike S/V Ranger Hampton Roads, VA From boendert at me.com Mon Apr 8 18:24:40 2019 From: boendert at me.com (Theodore Boender) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2019 18:24:40 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My baby might be for sale Message-ID: <043522F9-A36F-4E57-B5FD-27E2D014ED38@me.com> It?s with great regret, that I inform you might baby might be for sale. We are buying a cruising sailing catamaran and I really shouldn?t have two boats. She comes with a pop top enclosure, 9.8 Tohatsu electric start, and single axle triad trailer (new brakes and tires). I haven?t really thought about the price, but I wanted to gage the interest on the list before I get serious about selling her. She is a 1991 hull that was completely recycled by Stan in 2013. She is an awesome boat and I can?t believe I am even writing this email. Reach out to me if you?re interested. 904-613-5880 text or call. Cheers, Ted S/V AIRPOWER 1991/2013 R22 Jacksonville, FL From Colealexander at hotmail.com Tue Apr 9 21:01:36 2019 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2019 18:01:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My baby might be for sale In-Reply-To: <043522F9-A36F-4E57-B5FD-27E2D014ED38@me.com> References: <043522F9-A36F-4E57-B5FD-27E2D014ED38@me.com> Message-ID: <1554858096912-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Say it isn?t so. Hope your next boat gives you as much joy as AirPower has, as your needs evolve. Alex ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From Colealexander at hotmail.com Tue Apr 9 21:32:39 2019 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2019 18:32:39 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My baby might be for sale In-Reply-To: <043522F9-A36F-4E57-B5FD-27E2D014ED38@me.com> References: <043522F9-A36F-4E57-B5FD-27E2D014ED38@me.com> Message-ID: <1554859959989-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Ted. I reread your post. The condition you fear is Polynavicular Morbus. Dylan Winter is the leading authority. www.keepturningleft.co.uk/blogs He finds the condition is not serious if total hull length not counting canoes is kept under 100?. It appears bowsprits and boomkins do not count. Multihulls only count as one hull. As my own disease has only progressed to 40, I feel no side affects aside from options the sadly unafflicted lack. I urge you not to seek treatment early. There is no point. Alex ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From Colealexander at hotmail.com Tue Apr 9 21:45:23 2019 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2019 18:45:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My baby might be for sale In-Reply-To: <043522F9-A36F-4E57-B5FD-27E2D014ED38@me.com> References: <043522F9-A36F-4E57-B5FD-27E2D014ED38@me.com> Message-ID: <1554860723966-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Apologies. The link option seems to have failed me. Here is the disease. https://www.keepturningleft.co.uk/blogs/poly-navicular-morbus-too-many-boats-disease/ I was mistaken. Canoes do count, making my own condition advanced but not serious. I submit that AirPower can remain without causing you serious morbidity. Have fun. Alex ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From michael.4591 at gmail.com Thu Apr 11 20:10:40 2019 From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 20:10:40 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Plant Visit - Parts In-Reply-To: <1554860723966-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <043522F9-A36F-4E57-B5FD-27E2D014ED38@me.com> <1554860723966-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Week before last went down to Edenton and had a brief visit with Stan. I had to replace a stay that was breaking. Also, ordered a new Boom outhaul car as my old one was cracked after 20 yrs. Same day service on the stay; Tino replaced it while I was chatting with Stan who is still as sharp as ever. Sad to see Rose whom I first met in 96 when she was helping Stan & Elton run the plant and caring for Stan's aging mother. As we were talking Stan asked me if it would be worthwhile to bring some parts to the Annapolis Boat Show. Told him I would ping Da List for feedback. If anyone needs parts I would encourage you to order them thru Stan. He can be reached at stan at generalboats.com Mike S/V Ranger Hampton Roads, VA From joedempsey at hughes.net Sun Apr 14 13:55:48 2019 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (JP Dempsey) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2019 10:55:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair Message-ID: <1555264548348-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I have removed the plywood floor boards in my Rhodes to inspect keel trunk and bilge. In the process have found two black nylon/plastic blocks in the bilge that measure 2-1/2" x 1-1/2 x 3/4". Does anyone know what these might be and where they belong? Would appreciate replies to my email address: Joedempsey at hughes.net. Thanks in advance. ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Marshall,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From rlowe at vt.edu Sun Apr 14 14:02:15 2019 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2019 18:02:15 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair In-Reply-To: <1555264548348-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1555264548348-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Joe, Not sure, but a photo would help. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of JP Dempsey Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 1:55:48 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair I have removed the plywood floor boards in my Rhodes to inspect keel trunk and bilge. In the process have found two black nylon/plastic blocks in the bilge that measure 2-1/2" x 1-1/2 x 3/4". Does anyone know what these might be and where they belong? Would appreciate replies to my email address: Joedempsey at hughes.net. Thanks in advance. ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Marshall,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Sun Apr 14 15:19:42 2019 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2019 15:19:42 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair In-Reply-To: <1555264548348-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1555264548348-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <002f01d4f2f7$06040e40$120c2ac0$@ca> If you are looking inside the housing they are likely for the line that raises the centre board. They attach to the top of the centerboard cap. Graham Stewart Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of JP Dempsey Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 1:56 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair I have removed the plywood floor boards in my Rhodes to inspect keel trunk and bilge. In the process have found two black nylon/plastic blocks in the bilge that measure 2-1/2" x 1-1/2 x 3/4". Does anyone know what these might be and where they belong? Would appreciate replies to my email address: Joedempsey at hughes.net. Thanks in advance. ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Marshall,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From rbeytagh at gmail.com Sun Apr 14 16:17:10 2019 From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (Richard Beytagh) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2019 16:17:10 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair In-Reply-To: <002f01d4f2f7$06040e40$120c2ac0$@ca> References: <1555264548348-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <002f01d4f2f7$06040e40$120c2ac0$@ca> Message-ID: If you have removed the multi-screwed down center board cover and they are attached to the under side of the CB cover, then they are used to raise/lower your CB. If they are lying loose in the bilge they are freebies, compliments of Stan! ~~~ _/) ~~~ Richard Beytagh Phone: 828 337 0180 Virus-free. www.avg.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 3:19 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > If you are looking inside the housing they are likely for the line that > raises the centre board. They attach to the top of the centerboard cap. > > Graham Stewart > Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 > Kingston Ontario > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of > JP Dempsey > Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 1:56 PM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair > > I have removed the plywood floor boards in my Rhodes to inspect keel trunk > and bilge. In the process have found two black nylon/plastic blocks in the > bilge that measure 2-1/2" x 1-1/2 x 3/4". Does anyone know what these might > be and where they belong? Would appreciate replies to my email address: > Joedempsey at hughes.net. Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > ----- > JP Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Marshall,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Sun Apr 14 17:09:36 2019 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2019 17:09:36 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair In-Reply-To: <1555264548348-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1555264548348-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <99B88F4E-5929-4D1E-82C9-CED8CC91C2FB@sunnybeeches.com> Congratulations on getting your plywood floor out. If the two plastic block were just floating around loose in the bilge, then they were most likely accidentally sealed in the last time Stan?s crew put the floor in. I didn?t find any plastic bits in my bilge, but I did find several small bits of wood. On my boat, black plastic blocks like you describe have been used hold seat cushions and the porta-pottly in place. A hole is drilled through one of the 3/4? edges, a bolt is fitted into the hole, and the protruding portion of the bolt is inserted into a hole in a seat or the floor. Any holes in your pieces? Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On Apr 14, 2019, at 1:55 PM, JP Dempsey wrote: > > I have removed the plywood floor boards in my Rhodes to inspect keel trunk > and bilge. In the process have found two black nylon/plastic blocks in the > bilge that measure 2-1/2" x 1-1/2 x 3/4". Does anyone know what these might > be and where they belong? Would appreciate replies to my email address: > Joedempsey at hughes.net. Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > ----- > JP Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Marshall,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From joedempsey at hughes.net Sun Apr 14 17:17:10 2019 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (JP Dempsey) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2019 14:17:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair In-Reply-To: References: <1555264548348-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1555276630614-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Rob, Thanks for the reply. Here's a photo: ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Marshall,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From joedempsey at hughes.net Sun Apr 14 17:48:07 2019 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (JP Dempsey) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2019 14:48:07 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair In-Reply-To: <002f01d4f2f7$06040e40$120c2ac0$@ca> References: <1555264548348-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <002f01d4f2f7$06040e40$120c2ac0$@ca> Message-ID: <1555278487444-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Graham, I have not removed the CB cover yet. ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Marshall,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From joedempsey at hughes.net Sun Apr 14 17:49:30 2019 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (JP Dempsey) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2019 14:49:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair In-Reply-To: References: <1555264548348-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <002f01d4f2f7$06040e40$120c2ac0$@ca> Message-ID: <1555278570944-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Richard, I've not yet removed the CB cap. But how would they work in raising and lowering the CB? ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Marshall,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From joedempsey at hughes.net Sun Apr 14 17:51:04 2019 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (JP Dempsey) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2019 14:51:04 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair In-Reply-To: <99B88F4E-5929-4D1E-82C9-CED8CC91C2FB@sunnybeeches.com> References: <1555264548348-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <99B88F4E-5929-4D1E-82C9-CED8CC91C2FB@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <1555278664366-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Yep, each one has a pair of 1/8" holes. ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Marshall,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From rbeytagh at gmail.com Sun Apr 14 18:01:02 2019 From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (Richard Beytagh) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2019 18:01:02 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair In-Reply-To: <1555278570944-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1555264548348-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <002f01d4f2f7$06040e40$120c2ac0$@ca> <1555278570944-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Having seen your pic, these are not what I would call a block in the nautical sense...this is a block (confusing isn't it) [image: image.png] they look more like shims of some sort, maybe to stop lateral movement of the CB. I wouldn't worry about them as they obviously weren't doing anything and agree with Peter that they were probably left there accidentally. BTW don't remove your CB cover if you don't have to - there's a million screws and getting it seal again is a mission. Wait until the pennant breaks then you have to do it. ~~~ _/) ~~~ Richard Beytagh Phone: 828 337 0180 Virus-free. www.avg.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 5:49 PM JP Dempsey wrote: > Richard, > I've not yet removed the CB cap. But how would they work in raising and > lowering the CB? > > > > ----- > JP Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Marshall,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 13018 bytes Desc: not available URL: From retiredtoby at gmail.com Sun Apr 14 18:11:21 2019 From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2019 18:11:21 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair In-Reply-To: References: <1555264548348-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <002f01d4f2f7$06040e40$120c2ac0$@ca> <1555278570944-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Could these pieces be scrap from installing the floor support for the compression post. From the pictures it does look like the same material used for this part on my 86. This is located between the floor and keel, under the compression post in the head area. On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 6:01 PM Richard Beytagh wrote: > Having seen your pic, these are not what I would call a block in the > nautical sense...this is a block (confusing isn't it) > [image: image.png] > they look more like shims of some sort, maybe to stop lateral movement of > the CB. I wouldn't worry about them as they obviously weren't doing > anything and agree with Peter that they were probably left there > accidentally. BTW don't remove your CB cover if you don't have to - there's > a million screws and getting it seal again is a mission. Wait until the > pennant breaks then you have to do it. > > > > ~~~ _/) ~~~ > > Richard Beytagh > Phone: 828 337 0180 > > > < > http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > Virus-free. > www.avg.com > < > http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 5:49 PM JP Dempsey wrote: > > > Richard, > > I've not yet removed the CB cap. But how would they work in raising and > > lowering the CB? > > > > > > > > ----- > > JP Dempsey > > s/v Respite > > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > > Marshall,VA > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image.png > Type: image/png > Size: 13018 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190414/1b84a99a/attachment.png > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From joedempsey at hughes.net Mon Apr 15 10:12:56 2019 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (JP Dempsey) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 07:12:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair In-Reply-To: References: <1555264548348-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <002f01d4f2f7$06040e40$120c2ac0$@ca> <1555278570944-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1555337576662-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Richard, yes, they're not nautical blocks but cubicle blocks! This all began looking for source of bilge water. I do plan to remove the CB cap because of the rusted bolts. Photos attached. Also there are supposed to be fender washers above and below according to Stan. As you can see, there are no washers. I've removed all of the bolts but have not lifted the cap yet. ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Marshall,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From joedempsey at hughes.net Mon Apr 15 10:42:35 2019 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (JP Dempsey) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 07:42:35 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair In-Reply-To: References: <1555264548348-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <002f01d4f2f7$06040e40$120c2ac0$@ca> <1555278570944-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1555339355447-0.post@n5.nabble.com> They were in the CB cavity back under the companionway. Not attached to anything. ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Marshall,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com Mon Apr 15 10:53:39 2019 From: Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 14:53:39 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair In-Reply-To: <1555337576662-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1555264548348-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <002f01d4f2f7$06040e40$120c2ac0$@ca> <1555278570944-0.post@n5.nabble.com> , <1555337576662-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: JP, When you remove the CB cap, you should find a rubber gasket between it and the CB trunk. If you are very careful when you pry off the cap, you may be able to salvage the gasket. If not, don?t worry. Simply purchase a sheet of 1/8? thick red rubber gasket material at the hardware store and use the old gasket as a template. If you completely ruin the gasket; then, use the CB cap as a template. As Stan noted, there should be a fender washer above and below the flange to spread the load to minimize distortion and prevent leaks. I like using nylock lock nuts vs standard nuts and lock washers, although they will have to be replaced every time you remove the CB cap. But, they absolutely will not come loose on their own. If the existing bolts look at all questionable, it?s cheap insurance to replace them. When I put my CB cap back together, I spread a thin layer of clear silicone RTV aquarium sealer on the CB flange, set the gasket in place, spread more Silicone RTV onto the gasket, and then place the CB cap into place. Make certain silicone RTV squeezes out all around the CB cap and into the bolt holes. If the bolt holes don?t fill up with silicone RTV; then, add some silicone RTV to each bolt hole before you drop the bolts into the holes. Tighten the bolts in a crisscross pattern, like you are torqueing a cylinder head. Don?t turn the bolts when you are tightening them. Instead, hold the bolt still with a wrench and turn only the nut with another wrench. This will give the silicone RTV a much better chance of bonding to the bolt shaft and sealing off the bolt holes. While you have the CB cap off, you should inspect the CB pivot and the anchor point for the CB pennant. If there is XS play in either, you should fix that issue before reassembly. Also, there should be a short length of hose that the CB pennant runs thru from the CB to the cockpit bridgedeck. Inspect that hose and replace if worn. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of JP Dempsey Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 10:12:56 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair Richard, yes, they're not nautical blocks but cubicle blocks! This all began looking for source of bilge water. I do plan to remove the CB cap because of the rusted bolts. Photos attached. Also there are supposed to be fender washers above and below according to Stan. As you can see, there are no washers. I've removed all of the bolts but have not lifted the cap yet. ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Marshall,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From rlowe at vt.edu Mon Apr 15 10:57:47 2019 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 14:57:47 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair In-Reply-To: References: <1555264548348-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <002f01d4f2f7$06040e40$120c2ac0$@ca> <1555278570944-0.post@n5.nabble.com> , <1555337576662-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Roger, I see you are using sealant, but we know Stan would take issue with that as he does not recommend sealant. - rob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 10:54 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair JP, When you remove the CB cap, you should find a rubber gasket between it and the CB trunk. If you are very careful when you pry off the cap, you may be able to salvage the gasket. If not, don't worry. Simply purchase a sheet of 1/8" thick red rubber gasket material at the hardware store and use the old gasket as a template. If you completely ruin the gasket; then, use the CB cap as a template. As Stan noted, there should be a fender washer above and below the flange to spread the load to minimize distortion and prevent leaks. I like using nylock lock nuts vs standard nuts and lock washers, although they will have to be replaced every time you remove the CB cap. But, they absolutely will not come loose on their own. If the existing bolts look at all questionable, it's cheap insurance to replace them. When I put my CB cap back together, I spread a thin layer of clear silicone RTV aquarium sealer on the CB flange, set the gasket in place, spread more Silicone RTV onto the gasket, and then place the CB cap into place. Make certain silicone RTV squeezes out all around the CB cap and into the bolt holes. If the bolt holes don't fill up with silicone RTV; then, add some silicone RTV to each bolt hole before you drop the bolts into the holes. Tighten the bolts in a crisscross pattern, like you are torqueing a cylinder head. Don't turn the bolts when you are tightening them. Instead, hold the bolt still with a wrench and turn only the nut with another wrench. This will give the silicone RTV a much better chance of bonding to the bolt shaft and sealing off the bolt holes. While you have the CB cap off, you should inspect the CB pivot and the anchor point for the CB pennant. If there is XS play in either, you should fix that issue before reassembly. Also, there should be a short length of hose that the CB pennant runs thru from the CB to the cockpit bridgedeck. Inspect that hose and replace if worn. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of JP Dempsey Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 10:12:56 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair Richard, yes, they're not nautical blocks but cubicle blocks! This all began looking for source of bilge water. I do plan to remove the CB cap because of the rusted bolts. Photos attached. Also there are supposed to be fender washers above and below according to Stan. As you can see, there are no washers. I've removed all of the bolts but have not lifted the cap yet. ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Marshall,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com Mon Apr 15 11:00:52 2019 From: Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 15:00:52 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair In-Reply-To: References: <1555264548348-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <002f01d4f2f7$06040e40$120c2ac0$@ca> <1555278570944-0.post@n5.nabble.com> , <1555337576662-0.post@n5.nabble.com> , Message-ID: I?m a belt and suspenders kind of guy! A leak down there is a major issue when the boat is in the water. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Lowe, Rob Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 10:57:47 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair Roger, I see you are using sealant, but we know Stan would take issue with that as he does not recommend sealant. - rob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 10:54 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair JP, When you remove the CB cap, you should find a rubber gasket between it and the CB trunk. If you are very careful when you pry off the cap, you may be able to salvage the gasket. If not, don't worry. Simply purchase a sheet of 1/8" thick red rubber gasket material at the hardware store and use the old gasket as a template. If you completely ruin the gasket; then, use the CB cap as a template. As Stan noted, there should be a fender washer above and below the flange to spread the load to minimize distortion and prevent leaks. I like using nylock lock nuts vs standard nuts and lock washers, although they will have to be replaced every time you remove the CB cap. But, they absolutely will not come loose on their own. If the existing bolts look at all questionable, it's cheap insurance to replace them. When I put my CB cap back together, I spread a thin layer of clear silicone RTV aquarium sealer on the CB flange, set the gasket in place, spread more Silicone RTV onto the gasket, and then place the CB cap into place. Make certain silicone RTV squeezes out all around the CB cap and into the bolt holes. If the bolt holes don't fill up with silicone RTV; then, add some silicone RTV to each bolt hole before you drop the bolts into the holes. Tighten the bolts in a crisscross pattern, like you are torqueing a cylinder head. Don't turn the bolts when you are tightening them. Instead, hold the bolt still with a wrench and turn only the nut with another wrench. This will give the silicone RTV a much better chance of bonding to the bolt shaft and sealing off the bolt holes. While you have the CB cap off, you should inspect the CB pivot and the anchor point for the CB pennant. If there is XS play in either, you should fix that issue before reassembly. Also, there should be a short length of hose that the CB pennant runs thru from the CB to the cockpit bridgedeck. Inspect that hose and replace if worn. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of JP Dempsey Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 10:12:56 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair Richard, yes, they're not nautical blocks but cubicle blocks! This all began looking for source of bilge water. I do plan to remove the CB cap because of the rusted bolts. Photos attached. Also there are supposed to be fender washers above and below according to Stan. As you can see, there are no washers. I've removed all of the bolts but have not lifted the cap yet. ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Marshall,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From joedempsey at hughes.net Mon Apr 15 11:09:15 2019 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (JP Dempsey) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 08:09:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair In-Reply-To: References: <1555264548348-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <002f01d4f2f7$06040e40$120c2ac0$@ca> <1555278570944-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1555337576662-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1555340955632-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Thanks Roger, Good information. I've inspected the bolts and replacing as needed and have 316 fender washers and nylock nuts on order (McMaster and Carr is great source for EVERYTHING!) RTV makes good sense, but Stan says neoprene is best on its own. I'll follow up with a report and more photos when project is complete. ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Marshall,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Mon Apr 15 11:34:36 2019 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 15:34:36 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair In-Reply-To: References: <1555264548348-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <002f01d4f2f7$06040e40$120c2ac0$@ca> <1555278570944-0.post@n5.nabble.com> , <1555337576662-0.post@n5.nabble.com> , , Message-ID: Rob, The main reason I like to use 2 layers of sealant + a gasket has to do with loading and hull flex when the boat is sitting on the trailer vs when it?s in the water. The chances are, the boat will be on the trailer when the CB cap is installed. I like having 2 silicone RTV joints + the rubber gasket to absorb the shear loading in the CB flange/CB gasket joint when the hull flexes differently when it goes from the trailer into the water. There are similar issues with hull flex when the boat is pounding to weather in waves. As long as the silicone RTV is kept loaded in compression by the flange joint, it has sufficient elasticity to absorb the shear deformation from hull flex and not leak. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilbrium Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 15, 2019, at 11:00 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > I?m a belt and suspenders kind of guy! A leak down there is a major issue when the boat is in the water. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Lowe, Rob > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 10:57:47 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair > > Roger, > I see you are using sealant, but we know Stan would take issue with that as he does not recommend sealant. - rob > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 10:54 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair > > JP, > > > > When you remove the CB cap, you should find a rubber gasket between it and the CB trunk. If you are very careful when you pry off the cap, you may be able to salvage the gasket. If not, don't worry. Simply purchase a sheet of 1/8" thick red rubber gasket material at the hardware store and use the old gasket as a template. If you completely ruin the gasket; then, use the CB cap as a template. As Stan noted, there should be a fender washer above and below the flange to spread the load to minimize distortion and prevent leaks. I like using nylock lock nuts vs standard nuts and lock washers, although they will have to be replaced every time you remove the CB cap. But, they absolutely will not come loose on their own. If the existing bolts look at all questionable, it's cheap insurance to replace them. When I put my CB cap back together, I spread a thin layer of clear silicone RTV aquarium sealer on the CB flange, set the gasket in place, spread more Silicone RTV onto the > gasket, and then place the CB cap into place. Make certain silicone RTV squeezes out all around the CB cap and into the bolt holes. If the bolt holes don't fill up with silicone RTV; then, add some silicone RTV to each bolt hole before you drop the bolts into the holes. Tighten the bolts in a crisscross pattern, like you are torqueing a cylinder head. Don't turn the bolts when you are tightening them. Instead, hold the bolt still with a wrench and turn only the nut with another wrench. This will give the silicone RTV a much better chance of bonding to the bolt shaft and sealing off the bolt holes. > > > > While you have the CB cap off, you should inspect the CB pivot and the anchor point for the CB pennant. If there is XS play in either, you should fix that issue before reassembly. Also, there should be a short length of hose that the CB pennant runs thru from the CB to the cockpit bridgedeck. Inspect that hose and replace if worn. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of JP Dempsey > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 10:12:56 AM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair > > Richard, yes, they're not nautical blocks but cubicle blocks! This all began looking for source of bilge water. I do plan to remove the CB cap because of the rusted bolts. Photos attached. Also there are supposed to be fender washers above and below according to Stan. As you can see, there are no washers. I've removed all of the bolts but have not lifted the cap yet. > > > > > > > ----- > JP Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Marshall,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Mon Apr 15 12:03:12 2019 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 16:03:12 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair In-Reply-To: References: <1555264548348-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <002f01d4f2f7$06040e40$120c2ac0$@ca> <1555278570944-0.post@n5.nabble.com> , <1555337576662-0.post@n5.nabble.com> , , , Message-ID: Rob, I forgot to mention one more thing you should check while you have the CB cap off. The centerboard should have some large (~6? OD) Teflon ?washers? around the CB pivot on each side. These Teflon washers keep the centerboard centered in the CB well and limit the side-to-side centerboard play so the centerboard does not rub on the inside of the CB well. These Teflon washers may be worn or missing and need replacing. If your centerboard &/or the CB well shows scratches or worn areas along the sides; then, these Teflon washers are a very likely root cause. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 15, 2019, at 11:34 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > Rob, > > The main reason I like to use 2 layers of sealant + a gasket has to do with loading and hull flex when the boat is sitting on the trailer vs when it?s in the water. The chances are, the boat will be on the trailer when the CB cap is installed. I like having 2 silicone RTV joints + the rubber gasket to absorb the shear loading in the CB flange/CB gasket joint when the hull flexes differently when it goes from the trailer into the water. There are similar issues with hull flex when the boat is pounding to weather in waves. As long as the silicone RTV is kept loaded in compression by the flange joint, it has sufficient elasticity to absorb the shear deformation from hull flex and not leak. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilbrium > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 15, 2019, at 11:00 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >> >> I?m a belt and suspenders kind of guy! A leak down there is a major issue when the boat is in the water. >> >> >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Lowe, Rob >> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 10:57:47 AM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair >> >> Roger, >> I see you are using sealant, but we know Stan would take issue with that as he does not recommend sealant. - rob >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA >> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 10:54 AM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair >> >> JP, >> >> >> >> When you remove the CB cap, you should find a rubber gasket between it and the CB trunk. If you are very careful when you pry off the cap, you may be able to salvage the gasket. If not, don't worry. Simply purchase a sheet of 1/8" thick red rubber gasket material at the hardware store and use the old gasket as a template. If you completely ruin the gasket; then, use the CB cap as a template. As Stan noted, there should be a fender washer above and below the flange to spread the load to minimize distortion and prevent leaks. I like using nylock lock nuts vs standard nuts and lock washers, although they will have to be replaced every time you remove the CB cap. But, they absolutely will not come loose on their own. If the existing bolts look at all questionable, it's cheap insurance to replace them. When I put my CB cap back together, I spread a thin layer of clear silicone RTV aquarium sealer on the CB flange, set the gasket in place, spread more Silicone RTV onto the >> gasket, and then place the CB cap into place. Make certain silicone RTV squeezes out all around the CB cap and into the bolt holes. If the bolt holes don't fill up with silicone RTV; then, add some silicone RTV to each bolt hole before you drop the bolts into the holes. Tighten the bolts in a crisscross pattern, like you are torqueing a cylinder head. Don't turn the bolts when you are tightening them. Instead, hold the bolt still with a wrench and turn only the nut with another wrench. This will give the silicone RTV a much better chance of bonding to the bolt shaft and sealing off the bolt holes. >> >> >> >> While you have the CB cap off, you should inspect the CB pivot and the anchor point for the CB pennant. If there is XS play in either, you should fix that issue before reassembly. Also, there should be a short length of hose that the CB pennant runs thru from the CB to the cockpit bridgedeck. Inspect that hose and replace if worn. >> >> >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of JP Dempsey >> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 10:12:56 AM >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair >> >> Richard, yes, they're not nautical blocks but cubicle blocks! This all began looking for source of bilge water. I do plan to remove the CB cap because of the rusted bolts. Photos attached. Also there are supposed to be fender washers above and below according to Stan. As you can see, there are no washers. I've removed all of the bolts but have not lifted the cap yet. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> JP Dempsey >> s/v Respite >> Rhodes 22 1989/2005 >> Marshall,VA >> -- >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From joedempsey at hughes.net Mon Apr 15 13:33:55 2019 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (JP Dempsey) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 10:33:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the cabin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1555349635227-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Alexis, I just came back to this chain after starting one on Floor Board Removal due to rot/mold and water in the bilge and lazzarette. It seems that both of these chains have generated much response with helpful information. Hope you located all your leaks. Are you launched yet? and where are you keeping your Rhodes? I was hoping to be launched by the end of this month but alas much more work to be done, maybe mid May if I'm lucky. ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Marshall,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From joedempsey at hughes.net Mon Apr 15 13:42:17 2019 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (JP Dempsey) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 10:42:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair In-Reply-To: References: <002f01d4f2f7$06040e40$120c2ac0$@ca> <1555278570944-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1555337576662-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1555350137260-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Roger, The more I think about it and reading your last post, I like the idea of using RTV on the CB. I do plan to inspect the entire CB system--blocks, pinion, gasket, etc. Any recommendation on torque settings for the cap bolts? I plan to paint the bilge as well. Also do you know if the bilge is continuous to the lazarette or is that compartment separate? Thanks for your input. ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Marshall,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Mon Apr 15 15:08:45 2019 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 19:08:45 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair In-Reply-To: <1555350137260-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <002f01d4f2f7$06040e40$120c2ac0$@ca> <1555278570944-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1555337576662-0.post@n5.nabble.com> , <1555350137260-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: JP, There really isn?t room for a torque wrench on many of those bolts. I just snug them up in a crisscrossed pattern. As long as the silicone RTV is squeezing out all around the joint, all should be well. On my boat, the lazarette and bilge are separate. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 15, 2019, at 1:42 PM, JP Dempsey wrote: > > Roger, The more I think about it and reading your last post, I like the idea > of using RTV on the CB. I do plan to inspect the entire CB system--blocks, > pinion, gasket, etc. Any recommendation on torque settings for the cap > bolts? I plan to paint the bilge as well. Also do you know if the bilge is > continuous to the lazarette or is that compartment separate? Thanks for > your input. > > > > ----- > JP Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Marshall,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From peter at sunnybeeches.com Mon Apr 15 15:12:59 2019 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 15:12:59 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair In-Reply-To: <1555350137260-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <002f01d4f2f7$06040e40$120c2ac0$@ca> <1555278570944-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1555337576662-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1555350137260-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: From my exhaustive reading of the list archives, I can answer the question about whether or not the lazarette is connected to the main cabin bilge. As with many construction details of the Rhodes 22, the answer is ?it depends?. Some owners report that they are separate, some report that they are connected. The only way to tell for sure is to test your boat. ?Peter > On Apr 15, 2019, at 1:42 PM, JP Dempsey wrote: > > Roger, The more I think about it and reading your last post, I like the idea > of using RTV on the CB. I do plan to inspect the entire CB system--blocks, > pinion, gasket, etc. Any recommendation on torque settings for the cap > bolts? I plan to paint the bilge as well. Also do you know if the bilge is > continuous to the lazarette or is that compartment separate? Thanks for > your input. > > > > ----- > JP Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Marshall,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From stan at rhodes22.com Mon Apr 15 16:33:26 2019 From: stan at rhodes22.com (stan spitzer) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 20:33:26 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair In-Reply-To: References: <002f01d4f2f7$06040e40$120c2ac0$@ca> <1555278570944-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1555337576662-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1555350137260-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: OK, I have 2 minutes, my wonderful new TX Rhodie having just left for his big trek home. Please don't toss around 'no Rhodes are built the same', lightly. True if your boat was built for us and not by us; truer if you boat was bought from a private seller whose creativity turns out not to work. The lazaret was always designed for water that might get into it, to make its way to the bilge. If water stays in the lazaret that is someone else's re-design. If you have a diamondboard keel system, There is no pin going through the keel, its single control line uses no hardware, its neoprene reusable gasket should not be used with any sealant, and its fastening system uses machine screws, lock nuts and fender washers. No torquing instruments needed. Simply tighten to the point that the gasket just starts to move. All GB fastening elements are stainless steel so when one of you writes about changing rusted parts you are not writing about a GB installation. Nor are sealants used for deck hardware. O ring gaskets are. Water gets in all boats. Note the water coming out of the hull sides of the big boys. Their bilge pumps are working a good deal of their time. We are against bilge pumps for the Rhodes. Water accumulates: From condensation: Least so on a Rhodes with its insulating head liner and more ventilation than others: Slightly boosted down pop top, cabin top hatches, bow air scoop fixture. Trick: A large sponge in the bilge. Visit it routinely and keep water in the bilge to a minimum. Below the water line: Not your problem. Boats sold by GB with a new boat guarantee do not leak below the water line. Above the water line: Blame the rain. Mostly all fixable, permanently. The two upper shroud chain plates are the only exceptions in that they require the lifting of their chain plate covers for resealing and are not suitable for O ring salvation. There are Rhodes owners who tell us their boats are always bone dry. A mistake on our part. If we build a boat that does not have a single leak, we keep it. On 4/15/19 3:12 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: From my exhaustive reading of the list archives, I can answer the question about whether or not the lazarette is connected to the main cabin bilge. As with many construction details of the Rhodes 22, the answer is ?it depends?. Some owners report that they are separate, some report that they are connected. The only way to tell for sure is to test your boat. ?Peter On Apr 15, 2019, at 1:42 PM, JP Dempsey wrote: Roger, The more I think about it and reading your last post, I like the idea of using RTV on the CB. I do plan to inspect the entire CB system--blocks, pinion, gasket, etc. Any recommendation on torque settings for the cap bolts? I plan to paint the bilge as well. Also do you know if the bilge is continuous to the lazarette or is that compartment separate? Thanks for your input. ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Marshall,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Mon Apr 15 16:49:28 2019 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 20:49:28 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair In-Reply-To: References: <002f01d4f2f7$06040e40$120c2ac0$@ca> <1555278570944-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1555337576662-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1555350137260-0.post@n5.nabble.com> , Message-ID: Stan, I realize my 1976 Rhodes was probably built for General Boats by a subcontractor. But, I?m curious how the lazarette and bilge are connected. My boat has a solid wood bulkhead that?s glassed into the underside of the cockpit sole and the boat?s hull at the forward end of the lazarette. It looks like something from the factory. I?ve owned the boat since 1987 and I?ve certainly never put anything like that in there. With that bulkhead there, where is the connection with the bilge? Having said that, I have to admit I?ve never actually tried filling the lazarette with water to see if it shows up in the bilge. In the nearly 32 years I?ve owned the boat, I?ve always pumped out the lazarette and bilge separately. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 15, 2019, at 4:33 PM, stan spitzer wrote: > > OK, I have 2 minutes, my wonderful new TX Rhodie having just left for his big trek home. > > Please don't toss around 'no Rhodes are built the same', lightly. True if your boat was built for us and not by us; truer if you boat was bought from a private seller whose creativity turns out not to work. > > The lazaret was always designed for water that might get into it, to make its way to the bilge. If water stays in the lazaret that is someone else's re-design. > > If you have a diamondboard keel system, There is no pin going through the keel, its single control line uses no hardware, its neoprene reusable gasket should not be used with any sealant, and its fastening system uses machine screws, lock nuts and fender washers. No torquing instruments needed. Simply tighten to the point that the gasket just starts to move. All GB fastening elements are stainless steel so when one of you writes about changing rusted parts you are not writing about a GB installation. > > Nor are sealants used for deck hardware. O ring gaskets are. > > Water gets in all boats. Note the water coming out of the hull sides of the big boys. Their bilge pumps are working a good deal of their time. We are against bilge pumps for the Rhodes. > > Water accumulates: > > From condensation: Least so on a Rhodes with its insulating head liner and more ventilation than others: Slightly boosted down pop top, cabin top hatches, bow air scoop fixture. Trick: A large sponge in the bilge. Visit it routinely and keep water in the bilge to a minimum. > > Below the water line: Not your problem. Boats sold by GB with a new boat guarantee do not leak below the water line. > > Above the water line: Blame the rain. Mostly all fixable, permanently. The two upper shroud chain plates are the only exceptions in that they require the lifting of their chain plate covers for resealing and are not suitable for O ring salvation. > > There are Rhodes owners who tell us their boats are always bone dry. A mistake on our part. If we build a boat that does not have a single leak, we keep it. > > > On 4/15/19 3:12 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > From my exhaustive reading of the list archives, I can answer the question about whether or not the lazarette is connected to the main cabin bilge. As with many construction details of the Rhodes 22, the answer is ?it depends?. Some owners report that they are separate, some report that they are connected. The only way to tell for sure is to test your boat. > > ?Peter > > > > On Apr 15, 2019, at 1:42 PM, JP Dempsey wrote: > > Roger, The more I think about it and reading your last post, I like the idea > of using RTV on the CB. I do plan to inspect the entire CB system--blocks, > pinion, gasket, etc. Any recommendation on torque settings for the cap > bolts? I plan to paint the bilge as well. Also do you know if the bilge is > continuous to the lazarette or is that compartment separate? Thanks for > your input. > > > > ----- > JP Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Marshall,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com Mon Apr 15 16:53:02 2019 From: alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com (Alexis Seigneurin) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 20:53:02 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the cabin In-Reply-To: <1555349635227-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: , <1555349635227-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: JP, yes I found the water leaks, and there were quite a few! - cockpit drains - support for a bed in the cockpit, just below the companionway - centerboard pendant tube - hatch rails The ports didn?t have any leak though. There was also an important leak at the bow, where a hatch can be used to store the anchor chain. My bilge is almost dry now. My boat is in Deltaville, VA. I launched last week with a forklift and I went sailing twice already. Pictures attached! Alexis [Image][Image] ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of JP Dempsey Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 1:33 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the cabin Alexis, I just came back to this chain after starting one on Floor Board Removal due to rot/mold and water in the bilge and lazzarette. It seems that both of these chains have generated much response with helpful information. Hope you located all your leaks. Are you launched yet? and where are you keeping your Rhodes? I was hoping to be launched by the end of this month but alas much more work to be done, maybe mid May if I'm lucky. ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Marshall,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Image-24.png Type: image/jpeg Size: 1848782 bytes Desc: Image-24.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Enjoy the season. ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Marshall,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com Mon Apr 15 17:35:20 2019 From: Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 21:35:20 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair In-Reply-To: References: <002f01d4f2f7$06040e40$120c2ac0$@ca> <1555278570944-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1555337576662-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1555350137260-0.post@n5.nabble.com> , , Message-ID: Stan, I just went out and looked at the aft end of my cabin under the cabin sole. There is a similar solid wood bulkhead glassed into the underside of the cockpit sole at the forward end of the cockpit and the bottom of the bilge. This bulkhead is the aft end of the bilge. Again, it looks like something from the factory. Maybe my memory is faulty; but, didn?t you used to claim the Rhodes 22 was unsinkable because of the floatation foam under the V-berths and under the cockpit sole? The floatation foam under the V-berths is obvious. Although I?ve never drilled a hole thru the cockpit sole to check, I always assumed the space between the cockpit sole and the hull was full of foam. I always thought that was one reason why the cockpit sole is so firm underfoot ? like a concrete sidewalk! So, with solid bulkheads under the front and aft ends of the cockpit sole and the space between the cockpit sole and hull full of foam, how are the lazarette and bilge connected? Or, if current boats are built differently from my early model, when did it change? Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 4:49:28 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair Stan, I realize my 1976 Rhodes was probably built for General Boats by a subcontractor. But, I?m curious how the lazarette and bilge are connected. My boat has a solid wood bulkhead that?s glassed into the underside of the cockpit sole and the boat?s hull at the forward end of the lazarette. It looks like something from the factory. I?ve owned the boat since 1987 and I?ve certainly never put anything like that in there. With that bulkhead there, where is the connection with the bilge? Having said that, I have to admit I?ve never actually tried filling the lazarette with water to see if it shows up in the bilge. In the nearly 32 years I?ve owned the boat, I?ve always pumped out the lazarette and bilge separately. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 15, 2019, at 4:33 PM, stan spitzer wrote: > > OK, I have 2 minutes, my wonderful new TX Rhodie having just left for his big trek home. > > Please don't toss around 'no Rhodes are built the same', lightly. True if your boat was built for us and not by us; truer if you boat was bought from a private seller whose creativity turns out not to work. > > The lazaret was always designed for water that might get into it, to make its way to the bilge. If water stays in the lazaret that is someone else's re-design. > > If you have a diamondboard keel system, There is no pin going through the keel, its single control line uses no hardware, its neoprene reusable gasket should not be used with any sealant, and its fastening system uses machine screws, lock nuts and fender washers. No torquing instruments needed. Simply tighten to the point that the gasket just starts to move. All GB fastening elements are stainless steel so when one of you writes about changing rusted parts you are not writing about a GB installation. > > Nor are sealants used for deck hardware. O ring gaskets are. > > Water gets in all boats. Note the water coming out of the hull sides of the big boys. Their bilge pumps are working a good deal of their time. We are against bilge pumps for the Rhodes. > > Water accumulates: > > From condensation: Least so on a Rhodes with its insulating head liner and more ventilation than others: Slightly boosted down pop top, cabin top hatches, bow air scoop fixture. Trick: A large sponge in the bilge. Visit it routinely and keep water in the bilge to a minimum. > > Below the water line: Not your problem. Boats sold by GB with a new boat guarantee do not leak below the water line. > > Above the water line: Blame the rain. Mostly all fixable, permanently. The two upper shroud chain plates are the only exceptions in that they require the lifting of their chain plate covers for resealing and are not suitable for O ring salvation. > > There are Rhodes owners who tell us their boats are always bone dry. A mistake on our part. If we build a boat that does not have a single leak, we keep it. > > > On 4/15/19 3:12 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > From my exhaustive reading of the list archives, I can answer the question about whether or not the lazarette is connected to the main cabin bilge. As with many construction details of the Rhodes 22, the answer is ?it depends?. Some owners report that they are separate, some report that they are connected. The only way to tell for sure is to test your boat. > > ?Peter > > > > On Apr 15, 2019, at 1:42 PM, JP Dempsey wrote: > > Roger, The more I think about it and reading your last post, I like the idea > of using RTV on the CB. I do plan to inspect the entire CB system--blocks, > pinion, gasket, etc. Any recommendation on torque settings for the cap > bolts? I plan to paint the bilge as well. Also do you know if the bilge is > continuous to the lazarette or is that compartment separate? Thanks for > your input. > > > > ----- > JP Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Marshall,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From mgwilson1916 at gmail.com Mon Apr 15 19:32:04 2019 From: mgwilson1916 at gmail.com (mike wilson) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 19:32:04 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair In-Reply-To: References: <002f01d4f2f7$06040e40$120c2ac0$@ca> <1555278570944-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1555337576662-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1555350137260-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi All, quick question that I hope Stan or one of you can answer, is there a hull # starting point or other way of telling if your/our boats where made by GB or a supplier to GB. It appears that many of the questions regarding the boats revolve around this one issue and it would be great to know the answer to help in sorting out on going maintenance issues. Mike On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 5:35 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Stan, > > > > I just went out and looked at the aft end of my cabin under the cabin > sole. There is a similar solid wood bulkhead glassed into the underside of > the cockpit sole at the forward end of the cockpit and the bottom of the > bilge. This bulkhead is the aft end of the bilge. Again, it looks like > something from the factory. Maybe my memory is faulty; but, didn?t you > used to claim the Rhodes 22 was unsinkable because of the floatation foam > under the V-berths and under the cockpit sole? The floatation foam under > the V-berths is obvious. Although I?ve never drilled a hole thru the > cockpit sole to check, I always assumed the space between the cockpit sole > and the hull was full of foam. I always thought that was one reason why > the cockpit sole is so firm underfoot ? like a concrete sidewalk! > > > > So, with solid bulkheads under the front and aft ends of the cockpit sole > and the space between the cockpit sole and hull full of foam, how are the > lazarette and bilge connected? Or, if current boats are built differently > from my early model, when did it change? > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 4:49:28 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair > > Stan, > > I realize my 1976 Rhodes was probably built for General Boats by a > subcontractor. But, I?m curious how the lazarette and bilge are > connected. My boat has a solid wood bulkhead that?s glassed into the > underside of the cockpit sole and the boat?s hull at the forward end of the > lazarette. It looks like something from the factory. I?ve owned the boat > since 1987 and I?ve certainly never put anything like that in there. With > that bulkhead there, where is the connection with the bilge? > > Having said that, I have to admit I?ve never actually tried filling the > lazarette with water to see if it shows up in the bilge. In the nearly 32 > years I?ve owned the boat, I?ve always pumped out the lazarette and bilge > separately. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 15, 2019, at 4:33 PM, stan spitzer wrote: > > > > OK, I have 2 minutes, my wonderful new TX Rhodie having just left for > his big trek home. > > > > Please don't toss around 'no Rhodes are built the same', lightly. True > if your boat was built for us and not by us; truer if you boat was bought > from a private seller whose creativity turns out not to work. > > > > The lazaret was always designed for water that might get into it, to > make its way to the bilge. If water stays in the lazaret that is someone > else's re-design. > > > > If you have a diamondboard keel system, There is no pin going through > the keel, its single control line uses no hardware, its neoprene reusable > gasket should not be used with any sealant, and its fastening system uses > machine screws, lock nuts and fender washers. No torquing instruments > needed. Simply tighten to the point that the gasket just starts to move. > All GB fastening elements are stainless steel so when one of you writes > about changing rusted parts you are not writing about a GB installation. > > > > Nor are sealants used for deck hardware. O ring gaskets are. > > > > Water gets in all boats. Note the water coming out of the hull sides of > the big boys. Their bilge pumps are working a good deal of their time. We > are against bilge pumps for the Rhodes. > > > > Water accumulates: > > > > From condensation: Least so on a Rhodes with its insulating head liner > and more ventilation than others: Slightly boosted down pop top, cabin top > hatches, bow air scoop fixture. Trick: A large sponge in the bilge. Visit > it routinely and keep water in the bilge to a minimum. > > > > Below the water line: Not your problem. Boats sold by GB with a new > boat guarantee do not leak below the water line. > > > > Above the water line: Blame the rain. Mostly all fixable, > permanently. The two upper shroud chain plates are the only exceptions in > that they require the lifting of their chain plate covers for resealing and > are not suitable for O ring salvation. > > > > There are Rhodes owners who tell us their boats are always bone dry. A > mistake on our part. If we build a boat that does not have a single leak, > we keep it. > > > > > > On 4/15/19 3:12 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > > > From my exhaustive reading of the list archives, I can answer the > question about whether or not the lazarette is connected to the main cabin > bilge. As with many construction details of the Rhodes 22, the answer is > ?it depends?. Some owners report that they are separate, some report that > they are connected. The only way to tell for sure is to test your boat. > > > > ?Peter > > > > > > > > On Apr 15, 2019, at 1:42 PM, JP Dempsey joedempsey at hughes.net> wrote: > > > > Roger, The more I think about it and reading your last post, I like the > idea > > of using RTV on the CB. I do plan to inspect the entire CB > system--blocks, > > pinion, gasket, etc. Any recommendation on torque settings for the cap > > bolts? I plan to paint the bilge as well. Also do you know if the bilge > is > > continuous to the lazarette or is that compartment separate? Thanks for > > your input. > > > > > > > > ----- > > JP Dempsey > > s/v Respite > > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > > Marshall,VA > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com Mon Apr 15 20:15:09 2019 From: alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com (Alexis Seigneurin) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2019 00:15:09 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the cabin In-Reply-To: <1555362239074-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1555349635227-0.post@n5.nabble.com> , <1555362239074-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: We?re in Broad Creek. You?re not far! Hope to see you on the water soon. Alexis ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of JP Dempsey Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 5:04 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the cabin Are you on Jackson Creek? Lots of marinas in D'ville. We're at Fishing Bay. We'll look for you when we put in. Enjoy the season. ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Marshall,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Mon Apr 15 22:53:44 2019 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 22:53:44 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair In-Reply-To: References: <002f01d4f2f7$06040e40$120c2ac0$@ca> <1555278570944-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1555337576662-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1555350137260-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <007a01d4f3ff$9e003210$da009630$@ca> My 1976 has the lazerette completely sealed from the bilge as well. I thought that was the design. I could fix that but what is the reason to have water in the Lazerette drain into the bilge? Graham Stewart Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 4:49 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair Stan, I realize my 1976 Rhodes was probably built for General Boats by a subcontractor. But, I?m curious how the lazarette and bilge are connected. My boat has a solid wood bulkhead that?s glassed into the underside of the cockpit sole and the boat?s hull at the forward end of the lazarette. It looks like something from the factory. I?ve owned the boat since 1987 and I?ve certainly never put anything like that in there. With that bulkhead there, where is the connection with the bilge? Having said that, I have to admit I?ve never actually tried filling the lazarette with water to see if it shows up in the bilge. In the nearly 32 years I?ve owned the boat, I?ve always pumped out the lazarette and bilge separately. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 15, 2019, at 4:33 PM, stan spitzer wrote: > > OK, I have 2 minutes, my wonderful new TX Rhodie having just left for his big trek home. > > Please don't toss around 'no Rhodes are built the same', lightly. True if your boat was built for us and not by us; truer if you boat was bought from a private seller whose creativity turns out not to work. > > The lazaret was always designed for water that might get into it, to make its way to the bilge. If water stays in the lazaret that is someone else's re-design. > > If you have a diamondboard keel system, There is no pin going through the keel, its single control line uses no hardware, its neoprene reusable gasket should not be used with any sealant, and its fastening system uses machine screws, lock nuts and fender washers. No torquing instruments needed. Simply tighten to the point that the gasket just starts to move. All GB fastening elements are stainless steel so when one of you writes about changing rusted parts you are not writing about a GB installation. > > Nor are sealants used for deck hardware. O ring gaskets are. > > Water gets in all boats. Note the water coming out of the hull sides of the big boys. Their bilge pumps are working a good deal of their time. We are against bilge pumps for the Rhodes. > > Water accumulates: > > From condensation: Least so on a Rhodes with its insulating head liner and more ventilation than others: Slightly boosted down pop top, cabin top hatches, bow air scoop fixture. Trick: A large sponge in the bilge. Visit it routinely and keep water in the bilge to a minimum. > > Below the water line: Not your problem. Boats sold by GB with a new boat guarantee do not leak below the water line. > > Above the water line: Blame the rain. Mostly all fixable, permanently. The two upper shroud chain plates are the only exceptions in that they require the lifting of their chain plate covers for resealing and are not suitable for O ring salvation. > > There are Rhodes owners who tell us their boats are always bone dry. A mistake on our part. If we build a boat that does not have a single leak, we keep it. > > > On 4/15/19 3:12 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > From my exhaustive reading of the list archives, I can answer the question about whether or not the lazarette is connected to the main cabin bilge. As with many construction details of the Rhodes 22, the answer is ?it depends?. Some owners report that they are separate, some report that they are connected. The only way to tell for sure is to test your boat. > > ?Peter > > > > On Apr 15, 2019, at 1:42 PM, JP Dempsey wrote: > > Roger, The more I think about it and reading your last post, I like the idea > of using RTV on the CB. I do plan to inspect the entire CB system--blocks, > pinion, gasket, etc. Any recommendation on torque settings for the cap > bolts? I plan to paint the bilge as well. Also do you know if the bilge is > continuous to the lazarette or is that compartment separate? Thanks for > your input. > > > > ----- > JP Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Marshall,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From stan at rhodes22.com Tue Apr 16 08:28:11 2019 From: stan at rhodes22.com (stan spitzer) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2019 12:28:11 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair In-Reply-To: <007a01d4f3ff$9e003210$da009630$@ca> References: <002f01d4f2f7$06040e40$120c2ac0$@ca> <1555278570944-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1555337576662-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1555350137260-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <007a01d4f3ff$9e003210$da009630$@ca> Message-ID: <87f3f44b-bb2c-b337-1e43-8b04cfb9b944@rhodes22.com> Graham, We all know you built your 1976, I was too young then. I can turn your question around. Why have water accumulate in two places instead of just one? Besides, with water that may get into the lazarette, running down hill to the bilge, the lazarette is sort of self-bailing. Break that seal. Sorry. Gotta bail out the April showers from the next boat leaving, so have to leave this thread. On 4/15/19 10:53 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: My 1976 has the lazerette completely sealed from the bilge as well. I thought that was the design. I could fix that but what is the reason to have water in the Lazerette drain into the bilge? Graham Stewart Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 4:49 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair Stan, I realize my 1976 Rhodes was probably built for General Boats by a subcontractor. But, I?m curious how the lazarette and bilge are connected. My boat has a solid wood bulkhead that?s glassed into the underside of the cockpit sole and the boat?s hull at the forward end of the lazarette. It looks like something from the factory. I?ve owned the boat since 1987 and I?ve certainly never put anything like that in there. With that bulkhead there, where is the connection with the bilge? Having said that, I have to admit I?ve never actually tried filling the lazarette with water to see if it shows up in the bilge. In the nearly 32 years I?ve owned the boat, I?ve always pumped out the lazarette and bilge separately. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone On Apr 15, 2019, at 4:33 PM, stan spitzer wrote: OK, I have 2 minutes, my wonderful new TX Rhodie having just left for his big trek home. Please don't toss around 'no Rhodes are built the same', lightly. True if your boat was built for us and not by us; truer if you boat was bought from a private seller whose creativity turns out not to work. The lazaret was always designed for water that might get into it, to make its way to the bilge. If water stays in the lazaret that is someone else's re-design. If you have a diamondboard keel system, There is no pin going through the keel, its single control line uses no hardware, its neoprene reusable gasket should not be used with any sealant, and its fastening system uses machine screws, lock nuts and fender washers. No torquing instruments needed. Simply tighten to the point that the gasket just starts to move. All GB fastening elements are stainless steel so when one of you writes about changing rusted parts you are not writing about a GB installation. Nor are sealants used for deck hardware. O ring gaskets are. Water gets in all boats. Note the water coming out of the hull sides of the big boys. Their bilge pumps are working a good deal of their time. We are against bilge pumps for the Rhodes. Water accumulates: From condensation: Least so on a Rhodes with its insulating head liner and more ventilation than others: Slightly boosted down pop top, cabin top hatches, bow air scoop fixture. Trick: A large sponge in the bilge. Visit it routinely and keep water in the bilge to a minimum. Below the water line: Not your problem. Boats sold by GB with a new boat guarantee do not leak below the water line. Above the water line: Blame the rain. Mostly all fixable, permanently. The two upper shroud chain plates are the only exceptions in that they require the lifting of their chain plate covers for resealing and are not suitable for O ring salvation. There are Rhodes owners who tell us their boats are always bone dry. A mistake on our part. If we build a boat that does not have a single leak, we keep it. On 4/15/19 3:12 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: From my exhaustive reading of the list archives, I can answer the question about whether or not the lazarette is connected to the main cabin bilge. As with many construction details of the Rhodes 22, the answer is ?it depends?. Some owners report that they are separate, some report that they are connected. The only way to tell for sure is to test your boat. ?Peter On Apr 15, 2019, at 1:42 PM, JP Dempsey wrote: Roger, The more I think about it and reading your last post, I like the idea of using RTV on the CB. I do plan to inspect the entire CB system--blocks, pinion, gasket, etc. Any recommendation on torque settings for the cap bolts? I plan to paint the bilge as well. Also do you know if the bilge is continuous to the lazarette or is that compartment separate? Thanks for your input. ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Marshall,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From eandsmoore at hughes.net Tue Apr 16 09:41:56 2019 From: eandsmoore at hughes.net (Ellyn and Sam Moore) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2019 09:41:56 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair In-Reply-To: <87f3f44b-bb2c-b337-1e43-8b04cfb9b944@rhodes22.com> References: <002f01d4f2f7$06040e40$120c2ac0$@ca> <1555278570944-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1555337576662-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1555350137260-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <007a01d4f3ff$9e003210$da009630$@ca> <87f3f44b-bb2c-b337-1e43-8b04cfb9b944@rhodes22.com> Message-ID: <3046A942-A94B-49BD-89DB-8ECB4553C742@hughes.net> My ?77 Rhodes (22) Continental?s bilge remained dry on the two occasions when the lazarette filled with rain water (from clogged seat drains), and tipped the boat and trailer stern down, bow in the air. If it had flowed into the bilge, the boat would not have tipped, and would have filled up. Just my experience with my boat. Sam Moore, ?77 RC, Rhodester > On Apr 16, 2019, at 8:28 AM, stan spitzer wrote: > > > Graham, We all know you built your 1976, I was too young then. I can turn your question around. Why have water accumulate in two places instead of just one? Besides, with water that may get into the lazarette, running down hill to the bilge, the lazarette is sort of self-bailing. Break that seal. > > Sorry. Gotta bail out the April showers from the next boat leaving, so have to leave this thread. > > On 4/15/19 10:53 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: > > My 1976 has the lazerette completely sealed from the bilge as well. I thought that was the design. I could fix that but what is the reason to have water in the Lazerette drain into the bilge? > > Graham Stewart > Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 > Kingston Ontario > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 4:49 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair > > Stan, > > I realize my 1976 Rhodes was probably built for General Boats by a subcontractor. But, I?m curious how the lazarette and bilge are connected. My boat has a solid wood bulkhead that?s glassed into the underside of the cockpit sole and the boat?s hull at the forward end of the lazarette. It looks like something from the factory. I?ve owned the boat since 1987 and I?ve certainly never put anything like that in there. With that bulkhead there, where is the connection with the bilge? > > Having said that, I have to admit I?ve never actually tried filling the lazarette with water to see if it shows up in the bilge. In the nearly 32 years I?ve owned the boat, I?ve always pumped out the lazarette and bilge separately. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Apr 15, 2019, at 4:33 PM, stan spitzer >> wrote: > > OK, I have 2 minutes, my wonderful new TX Rhodie having just left for his big trek home. > > Please don't toss around 'no Rhodes are built the same', lightly. True if your boat was built for us and not by us; truer if you boat was bought from a private seller whose creativity turns out not to work. > > The lazaret was always designed for water that might get into it, to make its way to the bilge. If water stays in the lazaret that is someone else's re-design. > > If you have a diamondboard keel system, There is no pin going through the keel, its single control line uses no hardware, its neoprene reusable gasket should not be used with any sealant, and its fastening system uses machine screws, lock nuts and fender washers. No torquing instruments needed. Simply tighten to the point that the gasket just starts to move. All GB fastening elements are stainless steel so when one of you writes about changing rusted parts you are not writing about a GB installation. > > Nor are sealants used for deck hardware. O ring gaskets are. > > Water gets in all boats. Note the water coming out of the hull sides of the big boys. Their bilge pumps are working a good deal of their time. We are against bilge pumps for the Rhodes. > > Water accumulates: > > From condensation: Least so on a Rhodes with its insulating head liner and more ventilation than others: Slightly boosted down pop top, cabin top hatches, bow air scoop fixture. Trick: A large sponge in the bilge. Visit it routinely and keep water in the bilge to a minimum. > > Below the water line: Not your problem. Boats sold by GB with a new boat guarantee do not leak below the water line. > > Above the water line: Blame the rain. Mostly all fixable, permanently. The two upper shroud chain plates are the only exceptions in that they require the lifting of their chain plate covers for resealing and are not suitable for O ring salvation. > > There are Rhodes owners who tell us their boats are always bone dry. A mistake on our part. If we build a boat that does not have a single leak, we keep it. > > > On 4/15/19 3:12 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > From my exhaustive reading of the list archives, I can answer the question about whether or not the lazarette is connected to the main cabin bilge. As with many construction details of the Rhodes 22, the answer is ?it depends?. Some owners report that they are separate, some report that they are connected. The only way to tell for sure is to test your boat. > > ?Peter > > > > On Apr 15, 2019, at 1:42 PM, JP Dempsey >>>> wrote: > > Roger, The more I think about it and reading your last post, I like the idea > of using RTV on the CB. I do plan to inspect the entire CB system--blocks, > pinion, gasket, etc. Any recommendation on torque settings for the cap > bolts? I plan to paint the bilge as well. Also do you know if the bilge is > continuous to the lazarette or is that compartment separate? Thanks for > your input. > > > > ----- > JP Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Marshall,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com Tue Apr 16 10:03:41 2019 From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2019 10:03:41 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair In-Reply-To: References: <002f01d4f2f7$06040e40$120c2ac0$@ca> <1555278570944-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1555337576662-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1555350137260-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <485E0430-04C4-4615-91C4-49CC13BAD50B@gmail.com> On some boats the water just oozes under the foam. On other boats the lazarette has been glassed in. (Prob by owners tired of the heavy rains overflowing the seat drains and wetting the bilge) > On Apr 15, 2019, at 5:35 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > Stan, > > > > I just went out and looked at the aft end of my cabin under the cabin sole. There is a similar solid wood bulkhead glassed into the underside of the cockpit sole at the forward end of the cockpit and the bottom of the bilge. This bulkhead is the aft end of the bilge. Again, it looks like something from the factory. Maybe my memory is faulty; but, didn?t you used to claim the Rhodes 22 was unsinkable because of the floatation foam under the V-berths and under the cockpit sole? The floatation foam under the V-berths is obvious. Although I?ve never drilled a hole thru the cockpit sole to check, I always assumed the space between the cockpit sole and the hull was full of foam. I always thought that was one reason why the cockpit sole is so firm underfoot ? like a concrete sidewalk! > > > > So, with solid bulkheads under the front and aft ends of the cockpit sole and the space between the cockpit sole and hull full of foam, how are the lazarette and bilge connected? Or, if current boats are built differently from my early model, when did it change? > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 4:49:28 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair > > Stan, > > I realize my 1976 Rhodes was probably built for General Boats by a subcontractor. But, I?m curious how the lazarette and bilge are connected. My boat has a solid wood bulkhead that?s glassed into the underside of the cockpit sole and the boat?s hull at the forward end of the lazarette. It looks like something from the factory. I?ve owned the boat since 1987 and I?ve certainly never put anything like that in there. With that bulkhead there, where is the connection with the bilge? > > Having said that, I have to admit I?ve never actually tried filling the lazarette with water to see if it shows up in the bilge. In the nearly 32 years I?ve owned the boat, I?ve always pumped out the lazarette and bilge separately. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 15, 2019, at 4:33 PM, stan spitzer wrote: >> >> OK, I have 2 minutes, my wonderful new TX Rhodie having just left for his big trek home. >> >> Please don't toss around 'no Rhodes are built the same', lightly. True if your boat was built for us and not by us; truer if you boat was bought from a private seller whose creativity turns out not to work. >> >> The lazaret was always designed for water that might get into it, to make its way to the bilge. If water stays in the lazaret that is someone else's re-design. >> >> If you have a diamondboard keel system, There is no pin going through the keel, its single control line uses no hardware, its neoprene reusable gasket should not be used with any sealant, and its fastening system uses machine screws, lock nuts and fender washers. No torquing instruments needed. Simply tighten to the point that the gasket just starts to move. All GB fastening elements are stainless steel so when one of you writes about changing rusted parts you are not writing about a GB installation. >> >> Nor are sealants used for deck hardware. O ring gaskets are. >> >> Water gets in all boats. Note the water coming out of the hull sides of the big boys. Their bilge pumps are working a good deal of their time. We are against bilge pumps for the Rhodes. >> >> Water accumulates: >> >> From condensation: Least so on a Rhodes with its insulating head liner and more ventilation than others: Slightly boosted down pop top, cabin top hatches, bow air scoop fixture. Trick: A large sponge in the bilge. Visit it routinely and keep water in the bilge to a minimum. >> >> Below the water line: Not your problem. Boats sold by GB with a new boat guarantee do not leak below the water line. >> >> Above the water line: Blame the rain. Mostly all fixable, permanently. The two upper shroud chain plates are the only exceptions in that they require the lifting of their chain plate covers for resealing and are not suitable for O ring salvation. >> >> There are Rhodes owners who tell us their boats are always bone dry. A mistake on our part. If we build a boat that does not have a single leak, we keep it. >> >> >> On 4/15/19 3:12 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: >> >> From my exhaustive reading of the list archives, I can answer the question about whether or not the lazarette is connected to the main cabin bilge. As with many construction details of the Rhodes 22, the answer is ?it depends?. Some owners report that they are separate, some report that they are connected. The only way to tell for sure is to test your boat. >> >> ?Peter >> >> >> >> On Apr 15, 2019, at 1:42 PM, JP Dempsey wrote: >> >> Roger, The more I think about it and reading your last post, I like the idea >> of using RTV on the CB. I do plan to inspect the entire CB system--blocks, >> pinion, gasket, etc. Any recommendation on torque settings for the cap >> bolts? I plan to paint the bilge as well. Also do you know if the bilge is >> continuous to the lazarette or is that compartment separate? Thanks for >> your input. >> >> >> >> ----- >> JP Dempsey >> s/v Respite >> Rhodes 22 1989/2005 >> Marshall,VA >> -- >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Tue Apr 16 11:21:19 2019 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2019 15:21:19 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair In-Reply-To: <485E0430-04C4-4615-91C4-49CC13BAD50B@gmail.com> References: <002f01d4f2f7$06040e40$120c2ac0$@ca> <1555278570944-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1555337576662-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1555350137260-0.post@n5.nabble.com> , <485E0430-04C4-4615-91C4-49CC13BAD50B@gmail.com> Message-ID: Stan, Separate water tight compartments are desirable so flooding in one does not spread thru out the boat. Having to pump them out separately is a small price to pay for the intrinsic safety. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 16, 2019, at 10:03 AM, Goodness wrote: > > On some boats the water just oozes under the foam. On other boats the lazarette has been glassed in. (Prob by owners tired of the heavy rains overflowing the seat drains and wetting the bilge) > >> On Apr 15, 2019, at 5:35 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >> >> Stan, >> >> >> >> I just went out and looked at the aft end of my cabin under the cabin sole. There is a similar solid wood bulkhead glassed into the underside of the cockpit sole at the forward end of the cockpit and the bottom of the bilge. This bulkhead is the aft end of the bilge. Again, it looks like something from the factory. Maybe my memory is faulty; but, didn?t you used to claim the Rhodes 22 was unsinkable because of the floatation foam under the V-berths and under the cockpit sole? The floatation foam under the V-berths is obvious. Although I?ve never drilled a hole thru the cockpit sole to check, I always assumed the space between the cockpit sole and the hull was full of foam. I always thought that was one reason why the cockpit sole is so firm underfoot ? like a concrete sidewalk! >> >> >> >> So, with solid bulkheads under the front and aft ends of the cockpit sole and the space between the cockpit sole and hull full of foam, how are the lazarette and bilge connected? Or, if current boats are built differently from my early model, when did it change? >> >> >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA >> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 4:49:28 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair >> >> Stan, >> >> I realize my 1976 Rhodes was probably built for General Boats by a subcontractor. But, I?m curious how the lazarette and bilge are connected. My boat has a solid wood bulkhead that?s glassed into the underside of the cockpit sole and the boat?s hull at the forward end of the lazarette. It looks like something from the factory. I?ve owned the boat since 1987 and I?ve certainly never put anything like that in there. With that bulkhead there, where is the connection with the bilge? >> >> Having said that, I have to admit I?ve never actually tried filling the lazarette with water to see if it shows up in the bilge. In the nearly 32 years I?ve owned the boat, I?ve always pumped out the lazarette and bilge separately. >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 15, 2019, at 4:33 PM, stan spitzer wrote: >>> >>> OK, I have 2 minutes, my wonderful new TX Rhodie having just left for his big trek home. >>> >>> Please don't toss around 'no Rhodes are built the same', lightly. True if your boat was built for us and not by us; truer if you boat was bought from a private seller whose creativity turns out not to work. >>> >>> The lazaret was always designed for water that might get into it, to make its way to the bilge. If water stays in the lazaret that is someone else's re-design. >>> >>> If you have a diamondboard keel system, There is no pin going through the keel, its single control line uses no hardware, its neoprene reusable gasket should not be used with any sealant, and its fastening system uses machine screws, lock nuts and fender washers. No torquing instruments needed. Simply tighten to the point that the gasket just starts to move. All GB fastening elements are stainless steel so when one of you writes about changing rusted parts you are not writing about a GB installation. >>> >>> Nor are sealants used for deck hardware. O ring gaskets are. >>> >>> Water gets in all boats. Note the water coming out of the hull sides of the big boys. Their bilge pumps are working a good deal of their time. We are against bilge pumps for the Rhodes. >>> >>> Water accumulates: >>> >>> From condensation: Least so on a Rhodes with its insulating head liner and more ventilation than others: Slightly boosted down pop top, cabin top hatches, bow air scoop fixture. Trick: A large sponge in the bilge. Visit it routinely and keep water in the bilge to a minimum. >>> >>> Below the water line: Not your problem. Boats sold by GB with a new boat guarantee do not leak below the water line. >>> >>> Above the water line: Blame the rain. Mostly all fixable, permanently. The two upper shroud chain plates are the only exceptions in that they require the lifting of their chain plate covers for resealing and are not suitable for O ring salvation. >>> >>> There are Rhodes owners who tell us their boats are always bone dry. A mistake on our part. If we build a boat that does not have a single leak, we keep it. >>> >>> >>> On 4/15/19 3:12 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: >>> >>> From my exhaustive reading of the list archives, I can answer the question about whether or not the lazarette is connected to the main cabin bilge. As with many construction details of the Rhodes 22, the answer is ?it depends?. Some owners report that they are separate, some report that they are connected. The only way to tell for sure is to test your boat. >>> >>> ?Peter >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 15, 2019, at 1:42 PM, JP Dempsey wrote: >>> >>> Roger, The more I think about it and reading your last post, I like the idea >>> of using RTV on the CB. I do plan to inspect the entire CB system--blocks, >>> pinion, gasket, etc. Any recommendation on torque settings for the cap >>> bolts? I plan to paint the bilge as well. Also do you know if the bilge is >>> continuous to the lazarette or is that compartment separate? Thanks for >>> your input. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> JP Dempsey >>> s/v Respite >>> Rhodes 22 1989/2005 >>> Marshall,VA >>> -- >>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From ssbal at twc.com Tue Apr 16 18:39:26 2019 From: ssbal at twc.com (Alton) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2019 18:39:26 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair In-Reply-To: <007a01d4f3ff$9e003210$da009630$@ca> References: <002f01d4f2f7$06040e40$120c2ac0$@ca> <1555278570944-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1555337576662-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1555350137260-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <007a01d4f3ff$9e003210$da009630$@ca> Message-ID: <02e801d4f4a5$416b4fc0$c441ef40$@twc.com> FWIW, my 2001 has a sealed lazarette as well. Thought that was the way it was supposed to be, but it causes no problems. Just pump it and the bilge separately. Al 2001 Mishka -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Graham Stewart Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 10:54 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair My 1976 has the lazerette completely sealed from the bilge as well. I thought that was the design. I could fix that but what is the reason to have water in the Lazerette drain into the bilge? Graham Stewart Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 4:49 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair Stan, I realize my 1976 Rhodes was probably built for General Boats by a subcontractor. But, I?m curious how the lazarette and bilge are connected. My boat has a solid wood bulkhead that?s glassed into the underside of the cockpit sole and the boat?s hull at the forward end of the lazarette. It looks like something from the factory. I?ve owned the boat since 1987 and I?ve certainly never put anything like that in there. With that bulkhead there, where is the connection with the bilge? Having said that, I have to admit I?ve never actually tried filling the lazarette with water to see if it shows up in the bilge. In the nearly 32 years I?ve owned the boat, I?ve always pumped out the lazarette and bilge separately. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 15, 2019, at 4:33 PM, stan spitzer wrote: > > OK, I have 2 minutes, my wonderful new TX Rhodie having just left for his big trek home. > > Please don't toss around 'no Rhodes are built the same', lightly. True if your boat was built for us and not by us; truer if you boat was bought from a private seller whose creativity turns out not to work. > > The lazaret was always designed for water that might get into it, to make its way to the bilge. If water stays in the lazaret that is someone else's re-design. > > If you have a diamondboard keel system, There is no pin going through the keel, its single control line uses no hardware, its neoprene reusable gasket should not be used with any sealant, and its fastening system uses machine screws, lock nuts and fender washers. No torquing instruments needed. Simply tighten to the point that the gasket just starts to move. All GB fastening elements are stainless steel so when one of you writes about changing rusted parts you are not writing about a GB installation. > > Nor are sealants used for deck hardware. O ring gaskets are. > > Water gets in all boats. Note the water coming out of the hull sides of the big boys. Their bilge pumps are working a good deal of their time. We are against bilge pumps for the Rhodes. > > Water accumulates: > > From condensation: Least so on a Rhodes with its insulating head liner and more ventilation than others: Slightly boosted down pop top, cabin top hatches, bow air scoop fixture. Trick: A large sponge in the bilge. Visit it routinely and keep water in the bilge to a minimum. > > Below the water line: Not your problem. Boats sold by GB with a new boat guarantee do not leak below the water line. > > Above the water line: Blame the rain. Mostly all fixable, permanently. The two upper shroud chain plates are the only exceptions in that they require the lifting of their chain plate covers for resealing and are not suitable for O ring salvation. > > There are Rhodes owners who tell us their boats are always bone dry. A mistake on our part. If we build a boat that does not have a single leak, we keep it. > > > On 4/15/19 3:12 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > From my exhaustive reading of the list archives, I can answer the question about whether or not the lazarette is connected to the main cabin bilge. As with many construction details of the Rhodes 22, the answer is ?it depends?. Some owners report that they are separate, some report that they are connected. The only way to tell for sure is to test your boat. > > ?Peter > > > > On Apr 15, 2019, at 1:42 PM, JP Dempsey wrote: > > Roger, The more I think about it and reading your last post, I like > the idea of using RTV on the CB. I do plan to inspect the entire CB > system--blocks, pinion, gasket, etc. Any recommendation on torque > settings for the cap bolts? I plan to paint the bilge as well. Also do > you know if the bilge is continuous to the lazarette or is that > compartment separate? Thanks for your input. > > > > ----- > JP Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Marshall,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com Tue Apr 16 21:32:28 2019 From: alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com (Alexis Seigneurin) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2019 21:32:28 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair In-Reply-To: <02e801d4f4a5$416b4fc0$c441ef40$@twc.com> References: <002f01d4f2f7$06040e40$120c2ac0$@ca> <1555278570944-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1555337576662-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1555350137260-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <007a01d4f3ff$9e003210$da009630$@ca> <02e801d4f4a5$416b4fc0$c441ef40$@twc.com> Message-ID: Same here: my lazarette is sealed from the bilge with a bulkhead. This makes me think I need to replace the two drain tubes that are in there. They're leaking a little bit. Alexis On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 6:39 PM Alton wrote: > FWIW, my 2001 has a sealed lazarette as well. Thought that was the way it > was supposed to be, but it causes no problems. Just pump it and the bilge > separately. > Al > 2001 Mishka > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Graham Stewart > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 10:54 PM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair > > My 1976 has the lazerette completely sealed from the bilge as well. I > thought that was the design. I could fix that but what is the reason to > have water in the Lazerette drain into the bilge? > > Graham Stewart > Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 > Kingston Ontario > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 4:49 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair > > Stan, > > I realize my 1976 Rhodes was probably built for General Boats by a > subcontractor. But, I?m curious how the lazarette and bilge are > connected. My boat has a solid wood bulkhead that?s glassed into the > underside of the cockpit sole and the boat?s hull at the forward end of the > lazarette. It looks like something from the factory. I?ve owned the boat > since 1987 and I?ve certainly never put anything like that in there. With > that bulkhead there, where is the connection with the bilge? > > Having said that, I have to admit I?ve never actually tried filling the > lazarette with water to see if it shows up in the bilge. In the nearly 32 > years I?ve owned the boat, I?ve always pumped out the lazarette and bilge > separately. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 15, 2019, at 4:33 PM, stan spitzer wrote: > > > > OK, I have 2 minutes, my wonderful new TX Rhodie having just left for > his big trek home. > > > > Please don't toss around 'no Rhodes are built the same', lightly. True > if your boat was built for us and not by us; truer if you boat was bought > from a private seller whose creativity turns out not to work. > > > > The lazaret was always designed for water that might get into it, to > make its way to the bilge. If water stays in the lazaret that is someone > else's re-design. > > > > If you have a diamondboard keel system, There is no pin going through > the keel, its single control line uses no hardware, its neoprene reusable > gasket should not be used with any sealant, and its fastening system uses > machine screws, lock nuts and fender washers. No torquing instruments > needed. Simply tighten to the point that the gasket just starts to move. > All GB fastening elements are stainless steel so when one of you writes > about changing rusted parts you are not writing about a GB installation. > > > > Nor are sealants used for deck hardware. O ring gaskets are. > > > > Water gets in all boats. Note the water coming out of the hull sides of > the big boys. Their bilge pumps are working a good deal of their time. We > are against bilge pumps for the Rhodes. > > > > Water accumulates: > > > > From condensation: Least so on a Rhodes with its insulating head liner > and more ventilation than others: Slightly boosted down pop top, cabin top > hatches, bow air scoop fixture. Trick: A large sponge in the bilge. Visit > it routinely and keep water in the bilge to a minimum. > > > > Below the water line: Not your problem. Boats sold by GB with a new > boat guarantee do not leak below the water line. > > > > Above the water line: Blame the rain. Mostly all fixable, > permanently. The two upper shroud chain plates are the only exceptions in > that they require the lifting of their chain plate covers for resealing and > are not suitable for O ring salvation. > > > > There are Rhodes owners who tell us their boats are always bone dry. A > mistake on our part. If we build a boat that does not have a single leak, > we keep it. > > > > > > On 4/15/19 3:12 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > > > From my exhaustive reading of the list archives, I can answer the > question about whether or not the lazarette is connected to the main cabin > bilge. As with many construction details of the Rhodes 22, the answer is > ?it depends?. Some owners report that they are separate, some report that > they are connected. The only way to tell for sure is to test your boat. > > > > ?Peter > > > > > > > > On Apr 15, 2019, at 1:42 PM, JP Dempsey joedempsey at hughes.net> wrote: > > > > Roger, The more I think about it and reading your last post, I like > > the idea of using RTV on the CB. I do plan to inspect the entire CB > > system--blocks, pinion, gasket, etc. Any recommendation on torque > > settings for the cap bolts? I plan to paint the bilge as well. Also do > > you know if the bilge is continuous to the lazarette or is that > > compartment separate? Thanks for your input. > > > > > > > > ----- > > JP Dempsey > > s/v Respite > > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > > Marshall,VA > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From stan at rhodes22.com Wed Apr 17 11:18:11 2019 From: stan at rhodes22.com (stan spitzer) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2019 15:18:11 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair In-Reply-To: <485E0430-04C4-4615-91C4-49CC13BAD50B@gmail.com> References: <002f01d4f2f7$06040e40$120c2ac0$@ca> <1555278570944-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1555337576662-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1555350137260-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <485E0430-04C4-4615-91C4-49CC13BAD50B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <25162dfa-47c5-a630-d854-3f1dc7114cf4@rhodes22.com> The boats we build have a fiberglass cockpit liner that forms the floor, the sides under the seats and its fore and aft bulkhead. This offers open space under the seats for storage and natural feet placement when sitting and walking. To my knowledge no other builder goes to this extent of a separate mold to accomplish this. There are no wood bulkheads, at least in the Rhodes we have built. This separate glass cockpit liner is installed before the deck goes on and sits on a molded foam block. No attempt is made to keep any rain or boat washing water that may get into the Lazarette, from making its way to the bilge. On 4/16/19 10:03 AM, Goodness wrote: On some boats the water just oozes under the foam. On other boats the lazarette has been glassed in. (Prob by owners tired of the heavy rains overflowing the seat drains and wetting the bilge) On Apr 15, 2019, at 5:35 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: Stan, I just went out and looked at the aft end of my cabin under the cabin sole. There is a similar solid wood bulkhead glassed into the underside of the cockpit sole at the forward end of the cockpit and the bottom of the bilge. This bulkhead is the aft end of the bilge. Again, it looks like something from the factory. Maybe my memory is faulty; but, didn?t you used to claim the Rhodes 22 was unsinkable because of the floatation foam under the V-berths and under the cockpit sole? The floatation foam under the V-berths is obvious. Although I?ve never drilled a hole thru the cockpit sole to check, I always assumed the space between the cockpit sole and the hull was full of foam. I always thought that was one reason why the cockpit sole is so firm underfoot ? like a concrete sidewalk! So, with solid bulkheads under the front and aft ends of the cockpit sole and the space between the cockpit sole and hull full of foam, how are the lazarette and bilge connected? Or, if current boats are built differently from my early model, when did it change? Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 4:49:28 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair Stan, I realize my 1976 Rhodes was probably built for General Boats by a subcontractor. But, I?m curious how the lazarette and bilge are connected. My boat has a solid wood bulkhead that?s glassed into the underside of the cockpit sole and the boat?s hull at the forward end of the lazarette. It looks like something from the factory. I?ve owned the boat since 1987 and I?ve certainly never put anything like that in there. With that bulkhead there, where is the connection with the bilge? Having said that, I have to admit I?ve never actually tried filling the lazarette with water to see if it shows up in the bilge. In the nearly 32 years I?ve owned the boat, I?ve always pumped out the lazarette and bilge separately. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone On Apr 15, 2019, at 4:33 PM, stan spitzer wrote: OK, I have 2 minutes, my wonderful new TX Rhodie having just left for his big trek home. Please don't toss around 'no Rhodes are built the same', lightly. True if your boat was built for us and not by us; truer if you boat was bought from a private seller whose creativity turns out not to work. The lazaret was always designed for water that might get into it, to make its way to the bilge. If water stays in the lazaret that is someone else's re-design. If you have a diamondboard keel system, There is no pin going through the keel, its single control line uses no hardware, its neoprene reusable gasket should not be used with any sealant, and its fastening system uses machine screws, lock nuts and fender washers. No torquing instruments needed. Simply tighten to the point that the gasket just starts to move. All GB fastening elements are stainless steel so when one of you writes about changing rusted parts you are not writing about a GB installation. Nor are sealants used for deck hardware. O ring gaskets are. Water gets in all boats. Note the water coming out of the hull sides of the big boys. Their bilge pumps are working a good deal of their time. We are against bilge pumps for the Rhodes. Water accumulates: From condensation: Least so on a Rhodes with its insulating head liner and more ventilation than others: Slightly boosted down pop top, cabin top hatches, bow air scoop fixture. Trick: A large sponge in the bilge. Visit it routinely and keep water in the bilge to a minimum. Below the water line: Not your problem. Boats sold by GB with a new boat guarantee do not leak below the water line. Above the water line: Blame the rain. Mostly all fixable, permanently. The two upper shroud chain plates are the only exceptions in that they require the lifting of their chain plate covers for resealing and are not suitable for O ring salvation. There are Rhodes owners who tell us their boats are always bone dry. A mistake on our part. If we build a boat that does not have a single leak, we keep it. On 4/15/19 3:12 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: From my exhaustive reading of the list archives, I can answer the question about whether or not the lazarette is connected to the main cabin bilge. As with many construction details of the Rhodes 22, the answer is ?it depends?. Some owners report that they are separate, some report that they are connected. The only way to tell for sure is to test your boat. ?Peter On Apr 15, 2019, at 1:42 PM, JP Dempsey wrote: Roger, The more I think about it and reading your last post, I like the idea of using RTV on the CB. I do plan to inspect the entire CB system--blocks, pinion, gasket, etc. Any recommendation on torque settings for the cap bolts? I plan to paint the bilge as well. Also do you know if the bilge is continuous to the lazarette or is that compartment separate? Thanks for your input. ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Marshall,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From ric at stottarchitecture.com Wed Apr 17 11:28:37 2019 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2019 11:28:37 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair In-Reply-To: <25162dfa-47c5-a630-d854-3f1dc7114cf4@rhodes22.com> References: <002f01d4f2f7$06040e40$120c2ac0$@ca> <1555278570944-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1555337576662-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1555350137260-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <485E0430-04C4-4615-91C4-49CC13BAD50B@gmail.com> <25162dfa-47c5-a630-d854-3f1dc7114cf4@rhodes22.com> Message-ID: <3527B36C-C3B2-4A05-BC29-F0976F9DF857@stottarchitecture.com> So nice to hear from Captain Stan again. I?m getting my ?84 Continental ready to launch. The bottom?s as smooth as a baby butt. I have a fiberglass bulkhead between the cockpit and laz. It prevents water from draining to the bilge. My dad bought the boat from his dentist Bud Wells in 1989. I know for a fact that neither of them have made any mods to the aft cockpit bulkhead. Now - I?m curious. I?ll take a photo and send it to da list in the next few days. Ric sv Dadventure Hampton Bays Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP www.stottarchitecture.com Office 631-283-1777 Cell 516-965-3164 > On Apr 17, 2019, at 11:18 AM, stan spitzer wrote: > > > The boats we build have a fiberglass cockpit liner that forms the floor, the sides under the seats and its fore and aft bulkhead. This offers open space under the seats for storage and natural feet placement when sitting and walking. To my knowledge no other builder goes to this extent of a separate mold to accomplish this. There are no wood bulkheads, at least in the Rhodes we have built. This separate glass cockpit liner is installed before the deck goes on and sits on a molded foam block. No attempt is made to keep any rain or boat washing water that may get into the Lazarette, from making its way to the bilge. > > > > On 4/16/19 10:03 AM, Goodness wrote: > > On some boats the water just oozes under the foam. On other boats the lazarette has been glassed in. (Prob by owners tired of the heavy rains overflowing the seat drains and wetting the bilge) > > > > On Apr 15, 2019, at 5:35 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > Stan, > > > > I just went out and looked at the aft end of my cabin under the cabin sole. There is a similar solid wood bulkhead glassed into the underside of the cockpit sole at the forward end of the cockpit and the bottom of the bilge. This bulkhead is the aft end of the bilge. Again, it looks like something from the factory. Maybe my memory is faulty; but, didn?t you used to claim the Rhodes 22 was unsinkable because of the floatation foam under the V-berths and under the cockpit sole? The floatation foam under the V-berths is obvious. Although I?ve never drilled a hole thru the cockpit sole to check, I always assumed the space between the cockpit sole and the hull was full of foam. I always thought that was one reason why the cockpit sole is so firm underfoot ? like a concrete sidewalk! > > > > So, with solid bulkheads under the front and aft ends of the cockpit sole and the space between the cockpit sole and hull full of foam, how are the lazarette and bilge connected? Or, if current boats are built differently from my early model, when did it change? > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 4:49:28 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair > > Stan, > > I realize my 1976 Rhodes was probably built for General Boats by a subcontractor. But, I?m curious how the lazarette and bilge are connected. My boat has a solid wood bulkhead that?s glassed into the underside of the cockpit sole and the boat?s hull at the forward end of the lazarette. It looks like something from the factory. I?ve owned the boat since 1987 and I?ve certainly never put anything like that in there. With that bulkhead there, where is the connection with the bilge? > > Having said that, I have to admit I?ve never actually tried filling the lazarette with water to see if it shows up in the bilge. In the nearly 32 years I?ve owned the boat, I?ve always pumped out the lazarette and bilge separately. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Apr 15, 2019, at 4:33 PM, stan spitzer wrote: > > OK, I have 2 minutes, my wonderful new TX Rhodie having just left for his big trek home. > > Please don't toss around 'no Rhodes are built the same', lightly. True if your boat was built for us and not by us; truer if you boat was bought from a private seller whose creativity turns out not to work. > > The lazaret was always designed for water that might get into it, to make its way to the bilge. If water stays in the lazaret that is someone else's re-design. > > If you have a diamondboard keel system, There is no pin going through the keel, its single control line uses no hardware, its neoprene reusable gasket should not be used with any sealant, and its fastening system uses machine screws, lock nuts and fender washers. No torquing instruments needed. Simply tighten to the point that the gasket just starts to move. All GB fastening elements are stainless steel so when one of you writes about changing rusted parts you are not writing about a GB installation. > > Nor are sealants used for deck hardware. O ring gaskets are. > > Water gets in all boats. Note the water coming out of the hull sides of the big boys. Their bilge pumps are working a good deal of their time. We are against bilge pumps for the Rhodes. > > Water accumulates: > > From condensation: Least so on a Rhodes with its insulating head liner and more ventilation than others: Slightly boosted down pop top, cabin top hatches, bow air scoop fixture. Trick: A large sponge in the bilge. Visit it routinely and keep water in the bilge to a minimum. > > Below the water line: Not your problem. Boats sold by GB with a new boat guarantee do not leak below the water line. > > Above the water line: Blame the rain. Mostly all fixable, permanently. The two upper shroud chain plates are the only exceptions in that they require the lifting of their chain plate covers for resealing and are not suitable for O ring salvation. > > There are Rhodes owners who tell us their boats are always bone dry. A mistake on our part. If we build a boat that does not have a single leak, we keep it. > > > On 4/15/19 3:12 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > From my exhaustive reading of the list archives, I can answer the question about whether or not the lazarette is connected to the main cabin bilge. As with many construction details of the Rhodes 22, the answer is ?it depends?. Some owners report that they are separate, some report that they are connected. The only way to tell for sure is to test your boat. > > ?Peter > > > > On Apr 15, 2019, at 1:42 PM, JP Dempsey wrote: > > Roger, The more I think about it and reading your last post, I like the idea > of using RTV on the CB. I do plan to inspect the entire CB system--blocks, > pinion, gasket, etc. Any recommendation on torque settings for the cap > bolts? I plan to paint the bilge as well. Also do you know if the bilge is > continuous to the lazarette or is that compartment separate? Thanks for > your input. > > > > ----- > JP Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Marshall,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From ccowie at cowieassociates.com Wed Apr 17 11:47:46 2019 From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2019 15:47:46 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair In-Reply-To: <3527B36C-C3B2-4A05-BC29-F0976F9DF857@stottarchitecture.com> References: <002f01d4f2f7$06040e40$120c2ac0$@ca> <1555278570944-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1555337576662-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1555350137260-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <485E0430-04C4-4615-91C4-49CC13BAD50B@gmail.com> <25162dfa-47c5-a630-d854-3f1dc7114cf4@rhodes22.com> <3527B36C-C3B2-4A05-BC29-F0976F9DF857@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: My brand new 2009 R22 from the factory had the lazaret completely separated from the bilge with the foam under the cockpit glassed over as it should be. The lazaret hatch leaks and lets in a bucket full of water during a heavy rain, the rain spills in under the lip of lid during a heavy downpour and I prefer to empty the lazaret and not have the bucket full of water enter my dry bilge. Christopher P. Cowie? ?? 700 N Fairfax Street Suite 304 Alexandria, Virginia 22314 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] Please consider the environment before printing this email. -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Richard Stott Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 11:29 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair So nice to hear from Captain Stan again. I?m getting my ?84 Continental ready to launch. The bottom?s as smooth as a baby butt. I have a fiberglass bulkhead between the cockpit and laz. It prevents water from draining to the bilge. My dad bought the boat from his dentist Bud Wells in 1989. I know for a fact that neither of them have made any mods to the aft cockpit bulkhead. Now - I?m curious. I?ll take a photo and send it to da list in the next few days. Ric sv Dadventure Hampton Bays Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP www.stottarchitecture.com Office 631-283-1777 Cell 516-965-3164 > On Apr 17, 2019, at 11:18 AM, stan spitzer wrote: > > > The boats we build have a fiberglass cockpit liner that forms the floor, the sides under the seats and its fore and aft bulkhead. This offers open space under the seats for storage and natural feet placement when sitting and walking. To my knowledge no other builder goes to this extent of a separate mold to accomplish this. There are no wood bulkheads, at least in the Rhodes we have built. This separate glass cockpit liner is installed before the deck goes on and sits on a molded foam block. No attempt is made to keep any rain or boat washing water that may get into the Lazarette, from making its way to the bilge. > > > > On 4/16/19 10:03 AM, Goodness wrote: > > On some boats the water just oozes under the foam. On other boats the lazarette has been glassed in. (Prob by owners tired of the heavy rains overflowing the seat drains and wetting the bilge) > > > > On Apr 15, 2019, at 5:35 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > Stan, > > > > I just went out and looked at the aft end of my cabin under the cabin sole. There is a similar solid wood bulkhead glassed into the underside of the cockpit sole at the forward end of the cockpit and the bottom of the bilge. This bulkhead is the aft end of the bilge. Again, it looks like something from the factory. Maybe my memory is faulty; but, didn?t you used to claim the Rhodes 22 was unsinkable because of the floatation foam under the V-berths and under the cockpit sole? The floatation foam under the V-berths is obvious. Although I?ve never drilled a hole thru the cockpit sole to check, I always assumed the space between the cockpit sole and the hull was full of foam. I always thought that was one reason why the cockpit sole is so firm underfoot ? like a concrete sidewalk! > > > > So, with solid bulkheads under the front and aft ends of the cockpit sole and the space between the cockpit sole and hull full of foam, how are the lazarette and bilge connected? Or, if current boats are built differently from my early model, when did it change? > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 4:49:28 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair > > Stan, > > I realize my 1976 Rhodes was probably built for General Boats by a subcontractor. But, I?m curious how the lazarette and bilge are connected. My boat has a solid wood bulkhead that?s glassed into the underside of the cockpit sole and the boat?s hull at the forward end of the lazarette. It looks like something from the factory. I?ve owned the boat since 1987 and I?ve certainly never put anything like that in there. With that bulkhead there, where is the connection with the bilge? > > Having said that, I have to admit I?ve never actually tried filling the lazarette with water to see if it shows up in the bilge. In the nearly 32 years I?ve owned the boat, I?ve always pumped out the lazarette and bilge separately. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Apr 15, 2019, at 4:33 PM, stan spitzer wrote: > > OK, I have 2 minutes, my wonderful new TX Rhodie having just left for his big trek home. > > Please don't toss around 'no Rhodes are built the same', lightly. True if your boat was built for us and not by us; truer if you boat was bought from a private seller whose creativity turns out not to work. > > The lazaret was always designed for water that might get into it, to make its way to the bilge. If water stays in the lazaret that is someone else's re-design. > > If you have a diamondboard keel system, There is no pin going through the keel, its single control line uses no hardware, its neoprene reusable gasket should not be used with any sealant, and its fastening system uses machine screws, lock nuts and fender washers. No torquing instruments needed. Simply tighten to the point that the gasket just starts to move. All GB fastening elements are stainless steel so when one of you writes about changing rusted parts you are not writing about a GB installation. > > Nor are sealants used for deck hardware. O ring gaskets are. > > Water gets in all boats. Note the water coming out of the hull sides of the big boys. Their bilge pumps are working a good deal of their time. We are against bilge pumps for the Rhodes. > > Water accumulates: > > From condensation: Least so on a Rhodes with its insulating head liner and more ventilation than others: Slightly boosted down pop top, cabin top hatches, bow air scoop fixture. Trick: A large sponge in the bilge. Visit it routinely and keep water in the bilge to a minimum. > > Below the water line: Not your problem. Boats sold by GB with a new boat guarantee do not leak below the water line. > > Above the water line: Blame the rain. Mostly all fixable, permanently. The two upper shroud chain plates are the only exceptions in that they require the lifting of their chain plate covers for resealing and are not suitable for O ring salvation. > > There are Rhodes owners who tell us their boats are always bone dry. A mistake on our part. If we build a boat that does not have a single leak, we keep it. > > > On 4/15/19 3:12 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > From my exhaustive reading of the list archives, I can answer the question about whether or not the lazarette is connected to the main cabin bilge. As with many construction details of the Rhodes 22, the answer is ?it depends?. Some owners report that they are separate, some report that they are connected. The only way to tell for sure is to test your boat. > > ?Peter > > > > On Apr 15, 2019, at 1:42 PM, JP Dempsey wrote: > > Roger, The more I think about it and reading your last post, I like the idea > of using RTV on the CB. I do plan to inspect the entire CB system--blocks, > pinion, gasket, etc. Any recommendation on torque settings for the cap > bolts? I plan to paint the bilge as well. Also do you know if the bilge is > continuous to the lazarette or is that compartment separate? Thanks for > your input. > > > > ----- > JP Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Marshall,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Wed Apr 17 16:24:49 2019 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2019 20:24:49 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mold under the cockpit sole and in the bilge & lazarette? In-Reply-To: <25162dfa-47c5-a630-d854-3f1dc7114cf4@rhodes22.com> References: <002f01d4f2f7$06040e40$120c2ac0$@ca> <1555278570944-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1555337576662-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1555350137260-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <485E0430-04C4-4615-91C4-49CC13BAD50B@gmail.com>, <25162dfa-47c5-a630-d854-3f1dc7114cf4@rhodes22.com> Message-ID: If water from the bilge and lazarette can seep under the cockpit sole and there is foam under there; then, that?s a perfect mold growth environment. Any new water flushing thru there would contaminate the lazarette &/or the bilge with mold. Has anyone with one of these newer boats experienced mold issues? Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 17, 2019, at 11:18 AM, stan spitzer wrote: > > > The boats we build have a fiberglass cockpit liner that forms the floor, the sides under the seats and its fore and aft bulkhead. This offers open space under the seats for storage and natural feet placement when sitting and walking. To my knowledge no other builder goes to this extent of a separate mold to accomplish this. There are no wood bulkheads, at least in the Rhodes we have built. This separate glass cockpit liner is installed before the deck goes on and sits on a molded foam block. No attempt is made to keep any rain or boat washing water that may get into the Lazarette, from making its way to the bilge. > > > > On 4/16/19 10:03 AM, Goodness wrote: > > On some boats the water just oozes under the foam. On other boats the lazarette has been glassed in. (Prob by owners tired of the heavy rains overflowing the seat drains and wetting the bilge) > > > > On Apr 15, 2019, at 5:35 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > Stan, > > > > I just went out and looked at the aft end of my cabin under the cabin sole. There is a similar solid wood bulkhead glassed into the underside of the cockpit sole at the forward end of the cockpit and the bottom of the bilge. This bulkhead is the aft end of the bilge. Again, it looks like something from the factory. Maybe my memory is faulty; but, didn?t you used to claim the Rhodes 22 was unsinkable because of the floatation foam under the V-berths and under the cockpit sole? The floatation foam under the V-berths is obvious. Although I?ve never drilled a hole thru the cockpit sole to check, I always assumed the space between the cockpit sole and the hull was full of foam. I always thought that was one reason why the cockpit sole is so firm underfoot ? like a concrete sidewalk! > > > > So, with solid bulkheads under the front and aft ends of the cockpit sole and the space between the cockpit sole and hull full of foam, how are the lazarette and bilge connected? Or, if current boats are built differently from my early model, when did it change? > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 4:49:28 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair > > Stan, > > I realize my 1976 Rhodes was probably built for General Boats by a subcontractor. But, I?m curious how the lazarette and bilge are connected. My boat has a solid wood bulkhead that?s glassed into the underside of the cockpit sole and the boat?s hull at the forward end of the lazarette. It looks like something from the factory. I?ve owned the boat since 1987 and I?ve certainly never put anything like that in there. With that bulkhead there, where is the connection with the bilge? > > Having said that, I have to admit I?ve never actually tried filling the lazarette with water to see if it shows up in the bilge. In the nearly 32 years I?ve owned the boat, I?ve always pumped out the lazarette and bilge separately. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Apr 15, 2019, at 4:33 PM, stan spitzer wrote: > > OK, I have 2 minutes, my wonderful new TX Rhodie having just left for his big trek home. > > Please don't toss around 'no Rhodes are built the same', lightly. True if your boat was built for us and not by us; truer if you boat was bought from a private seller whose creativity turns out not to work. > > The lazaret was always designed for water that might get into it, to make its way to the bilge. If water stays in the lazaret that is someone else's re-design. > > If you have a diamondboard keel system, There is no pin going through the keel, its single control line uses no hardware, its neoprene reusable gasket should not be used with any sealant, and its fastening system uses machine screws, lock nuts and fender washers. No torquing instruments needed. Simply tighten to the point that the gasket just starts to move. All GB fastening elements are stainless steel so when one of you writes about changing rusted parts you are not writing about a GB installation. > > Nor are sealants used for deck hardware. O ring gaskets are. > > Water gets in all boats. Note the water coming out of the hull sides of the big boys. Their bilge pumps are working a good deal of their time. We are against bilge pumps for the Rhodes. > > Water accumulates: > > From condensation: Least so on a Rhodes with its insulating head liner and more ventilation than others: Slightly boosted down pop top, cabin top hatches, bow air scoop fixture. Trick: A large sponge in the bilge. Visit it routinely and keep water in the bilge to a minimum. > > Below the water line: Not your problem. Boats sold by GB with a new boat guarantee do not leak below the water line. > > Above the water line: Blame the rain. Mostly all fixable, permanently. The two upper shroud chain plates are the only exceptions in that they require the lifting of their chain plate covers for resealing and are not suitable for O ring salvation. > > There are Rhodes owners who tell us their boats are always bone dry. A mistake on our part. If we build a boat that does not have a single leak, we keep it. > > > On 4/15/19 3:12 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > From my exhaustive reading of the list archives, I can answer the question about whether or not the lazarette is connected to the main cabin bilge. As with many construction details of the Rhodes 22, the answer is ?it depends?. Some owners report that they are separate, some report that they are connected. The only way to tell for sure is to test your boat. > > ?Peter > > > > On Apr 15, 2019, at 1:42 PM, JP Dempsey wrote: > > Roger, The more I think about it and reading your last post, I like the idea > of using RTV on the CB. I do plan to inspect the entire CB system--blocks, > pinion, gasket, etc. Any recommendation on torque settings for the cap > bolts? I plan to paint the bilge as well. Also do you know if the bilge is > continuous to the lazarette or is that compartment separate? Thanks for > your input. > > > > ----- > JP Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Marshall,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Wed Apr 17 16:34:30 2019 From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2019 16:34:30 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mold under the cockpit sole and in the bilge & lazarette? In-Reply-To: References: <002f01d4f2f7$06040e40$120c2ac0$@ca> <1555337576662-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1555350137260-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <485E0430-04C4-4615-91C4-49CC13BAD50B@gmail.com> <25162dfa-47c5-a630-d854-3f1dc7114cf4@rhodes22.com> Message-ID: <970b6633-213d-a6b8-6490-0fbcfc6e6a64@atlanticbb.net> Fretless was a 1991, recycled in 1998. On the very rare occasions we had water in the lazarette (we almost never experienced the lip of the lazarette hatch being overwhelmed), it did travel to the bilge. We kept the boat well ventilated and had only minor mold issues? - mostly from condensation, never in the bilge and I assume not in the foam. Mary Lou ex-R22 now Rosborough RF-246? Tara Rock Hall, MD On 4/17/2019 4:24 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > If water from the bilge and lazarette can seep under the cockpit sole and there is foam under there; then, that?s a perfect mold growth environment. Any new water flushing thru there would contaminate the lazarette &/or the bilge with mold. Has anyone with one of these newer boats experienced mold issues? > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 17, 2019, at 11:18 AM, stan spitzer wrote: >> >> >> The boats we build have a fiberglass cockpit liner that forms the floor, the sides under the seats and its fore and aft bulkhead. This offers open space under the seats for storage and natural feet placement when sitting and walking. To my knowledge no other builder goes to this extent of a separate mold to accomplish this. There are no wood bulkheads, at least in the Rhodes we have built. This separate glass cockpit liner is installed before the deck goes on and sits on a molded foam block. No attempt is made to keep any rain or boat washing water that may get into the Lazarette, from making its way to the bilge. >> >> >> >> On 4/16/19 10:03 AM, Goodness wrote: >> >> On some boats the water just oozes under the foam. On other boats the lazarette has been glassed in. (Prob by owners tired of the heavy rains overflowing the seat drains and wetting the bilge) >> >> >> >> On Apr 15, 2019, at 5:35 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >> >> Stan, >> >> >> >> I just went out and looked at the aft end of my cabin under the cabin sole. There is a similar solid wood bulkhead glassed into the underside of the cockpit sole at the forward end of the cockpit and the bottom of the bilge. This bulkhead is the aft end of the bilge. Again, it looks like something from the factory. Maybe my memory is faulty; but, didn?t you used to claim the Rhodes 22 was unsinkable because of the floatation foam under the V-berths and under the cockpit sole? The floatation foam under the V-berths is obvious. Although I?ve never drilled a hole thru the cockpit sole to check, I always assumed the space between the cockpit sole and the hull was full of foam. I always thought that was one reason why the cockpit sole is so firm underfoot ? like a concrete sidewalk! >> >> >> >> So, with solid bulkheads under the front and aft ends of the cockpit sole and the space between the cockpit sole and hull full of foam, how are the lazarette and bilge connected? Or, if current boats are built differently from my early model, when did it change? >> >> >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA >> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 4:49:28 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair >> >> Stan, >> >> I realize my 1976 Rhodes was probably built for General Boats by a subcontractor. But, I?m curious how the lazarette and bilge are connected. My boat has a solid wood bulkhead that?s glassed into the underside of the cockpit sole and the boat?s hull at the forward end of the lazarette. It looks like something from the factory. I?ve owned the boat since 1987 and I?ve certainly never put anything like that in there. With that bulkhead there, where is the connection with the bilge? >> >> Having said that, I have to admit I?ve never actually tried filling the lazarette with water to see if it shows up in the bilge. In the nearly 32 years I?ve owned the boat, I?ve always pumped out the lazarette and bilge separately. >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> On Apr 15, 2019, at 4:33 PM, stan spitzer wrote: >> >> OK, I have 2 minutes, my wonderful new TX Rhodie having just left for his big trek home. >> >> Please don't toss around 'no Rhodes are built the same', lightly. True if your boat was built for us and not by us; truer if you boat was bought from a private seller whose creativity turns out not to work. >> >> The lazaret was always designed for water that might get into it, to make its way to the bilge. If water stays in the lazaret that is someone else's re-design. >> >> If you have a diamondboard keel system, There is no pin going through the keel, its single control line uses no hardware, its neoprene reusable gasket should not be used with any sealant, and its fastening system uses machine screws, lock nuts and fender washers. No torquing instruments needed. Simply tighten to the point that the gasket just starts to move. All GB fastening elements are stainless steel so when one of you writes about changing rusted parts you are not writing about a GB installation. >> >> Nor are sealants used for deck hardware. O ring gaskets are. >> >> Water gets in all boats. Note the water coming out of the hull sides of the big boys. Their bilge pumps are working a good deal of their time. We are against bilge pumps for the Rhodes. >> >> Water accumulates: >> >> From condensation: Least so on a Rhodes with its insulating head liner and more ventilation than others: Slightly boosted down pop top, cabin top hatches, bow air scoop fixture. Trick: A large sponge in the bilge. Visit it routinely and keep water in the bilge to a minimum. >> >> Below the water line: Not your problem. Boats sold by GB with a new boat guarantee do not leak below the water line. >> >> Above the water line: Blame the rain. Mostly all fixable, permanently. The two upper shroud chain plates are the only exceptions in that they require the lifting of their chain plate covers for resealing and are not suitable for O ring salvation. >> >> There are Rhodes owners who tell us their boats are always bone dry. A mistake on our part. If we build a boat that does not have a single leak, we keep it. >> >> >> On 4/15/19 3:12 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: >> >> From my exhaustive reading of the list archives, I can answer the question about whether or not the lazarette is connected to the main cabin bilge. As with many construction details of the Rhodes 22, the answer is ?it depends?. Some owners report that they are separate, some report that they are connected. The only way to tell for sure is to test your boat. >> >> ?Peter >> >> >> >> On Apr 15, 2019, at 1:42 PM, JP Dempsey wrote: >> >> Roger, The more I think about it and reading your last post, I like the idea >> of using RTV on the CB. I do plan to inspect the entire CB system--blocks, >> pinion, gasket, etc. Any recommendation on torque settings for the cap >> bolts? I plan to paint the bilge as well. Also do you know if the bilge is >> continuous to the lazarette or is that compartment separate? Thanks for >> your input. >> >> >> >> ----- >> JP Dempsey >> s/v Respite >> Rhodes 22 1989/2005 >> Marshall,VA >> -- >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From lastmango68 at gmail.com Wed Apr 17 18:46:46 2019 From: lastmango68 at gmail.com (Lance Horne) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2019 18:46:46 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mold under the cockpit sole and in the bilge & lazarette? In-Reply-To: <970b6633-213d-a6b8-6490-0fbcfc6e6a64@atlanticbb.net> References: <002f01d4f2f7$06040e40$120c2ac0$@ca> <1555337576662-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1555350137260-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <485E0430-04C4-4615-91C4-49CC13BAD50B@gmail.com> <25162dfa-47c5-a630-d854-3f1dc7114cf4@rhodes22.com> <970b6633-213d-a6b8-6490-0fbcfc6e6a64@atlanticbb.net> Message-ID: Last Mango (2007) has kept dry bilges and lazaret. I keep the drains clean. One time found a wasp nest in one. She has been dockside through 2 tropical storms and one hurricane. Love that boat! Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 17, 2019, at 16:34, Mary Lou Troy wrote: > > Fretless was a 1991, recycled in 1998. On the very rare occasions we had water in the lazarette (we almost never experienced the lip of the lazarette hatch being overwhelmed), it did travel to the bilge. We kept the boat well ventilated and had only minor mold issues - mostly from condensation, never in the bilge and I assume not in the foam. > > Mary Lou > ex-R22 > now Rosborough RF-246 Tara > Rock Hall, MD > >> On 4/17/2019 4:24 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >> If water from the bilge and lazarette can seep under the cockpit sole and there is foam under there; then, that?s a perfect mold growth environment. Any new water flushing thru there would contaminate the lazarette &/or the bilge with mold. Has anyone with one of these newer boats experienced mold issues? >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 17, 2019, at 11:18 AM, stan spitzer wrote: >>> >>> >>> The boats we build have a fiberglass cockpit liner that forms the floor, the sides under the seats and its fore and aft bulkhead. This offers open space under the seats for storage and natural feet placement when sitting and walking. To my knowledge no other builder goes to this extent of a separate mold to accomplish this. There are no wood bulkheads, at least in the Rhodes we have built. This separate glass cockpit liner is installed before the deck goes on and sits on a molded foam block. No attempt is made to keep any rain or boat washing water that may get into the Lazarette, from making its way to the bilge. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4/16/19 10:03 AM, Goodness wrote: >>> >>> On some boats the water just oozes under the foam. On other boats the lazarette has been glassed in. (Prob by owners tired of the heavy rains overflowing the seat drains and wetting the bilge) >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 15, 2019, at 5:35 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >>> >>> Stan, >>> >>> >>> >>> I just went out and looked at the aft end of my cabin under the cabin sole. There is a similar solid wood bulkhead glassed into the underside of the cockpit sole at the forward end of the cockpit and the bottom of the bilge. This bulkhead is the aft end of the bilge. Again, it looks like something from the factory. Maybe my memory is faulty; but, didn?t you used to claim the Rhodes 22 was unsinkable because of the floatation foam under the V-berths and under the cockpit sole? The floatation foam under the V-berths is obvious. Although I?ve never drilled a hole thru the cockpit sole to check, I always assumed the space between the cockpit sole and the hull was full of foam. I always thought that was one reason why the cockpit sole is so firm underfoot ? like a concrete sidewalk! >>> >>> >>> >>> So, with solid bulkheads under the front and aft ends of the cockpit sole and the space between the cockpit sole and hull full of foam, how are the lazarette and bilge connected? Or, if current boats are built differently from my early model, when did it change? >>> >>> >>> >>> Roger Pihlaja >>> >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA >>> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 4:49:28 PM >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair >>> >>> Stan, >>> >>> I realize my 1976 Rhodes was probably built for General Boats by a subcontractor. But, I?m curious how the lazarette and bilge are connected. My boat has a solid wood bulkhead that?s glassed into the underside of the cockpit sole and the boat?s hull at the forward end of the lazarette. It looks like something from the factory. I?ve owned the boat since 1987 and I?ve certainly never put anything like that in there. With that bulkhead there, where is the connection with the bilge? >>> >>> Having said that, I have to admit I?ve never actually tried filling the lazarette with water to see if it shows up in the bilge. In the nearly 32 years I?ve owned the boat, I?ve always pumped out the lazarette and bilge separately. >>> >>> Roger Pihlaja >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 15, 2019, at 4:33 PM, stan spitzer wrote: >>> >>> OK, I have 2 minutes, my wonderful new TX Rhodie having just left for his big trek home. >>> >>> Please don't toss around 'no Rhodes are built the same', lightly. True if your boat was built for us and not by us; truer if you boat was bought from a private seller whose creativity turns out not to work. >>> >>> The lazaret was always designed for water that might get into it, to make its way to the bilge. If water stays in the lazaret that is someone else's re-design. >>> >>> If you have a diamondboard keel system, There is no pin going through the keel, its single control line uses no hardware, its neoprene reusable gasket should not be used with any sealant, and its fastening system uses machine screws, lock nuts and fender washers. No torquing instruments needed. Simply tighten to the point that the gasket just starts to move. All GB fastening elements are stainless steel so when one of you writes about changing rusted parts you are not writing about a GB installation. >>> >>> Nor are sealants used for deck hardware. O ring gaskets are. >>> >>> Water gets in all boats. Note the water coming out of the hull sides of the big boys. Their bilge pumps are working a good deal of their time. We are against bilge pumps for the Rhodes. >>> >>> Water accumulates: >>> >>> From condensation: Least so on a Rhodes with its insulating head liner and more ventilation than others: Slightly boosted down pop top, cabin top hatches, bow air scoop fixture. Trick: A large sponge in the bilge. Visit it routinely and keep water in the bilge to a minimum. >>> >>> Below the water line: Not your problem. Boats sold by GB with a new boat guarantee do not leak below the water line. >>> >>> Above the water line: Blame the rain. Mostly all fixable, permanently. The two upper shroud chain plates are the only exceptions in that they require the lifting of their chain plate covers for resealing and are not suitable for O ring salvation. >>> >>> There are Rhodes owners who tell us their boats are always bone dry. A mistake on our part. If we build a boat that does not have a single leak, we keep it. >>> >>> >>> On 4/15/19 3:12 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: >>> >>> From my exhaustive reading of the list archives, I can answer the question about whether or not the lazarette is connected to the main cabin bilge. As with many construction details of the Rhodes 22, the answer is ?it depends?. Some owners report that they are separate, some report that they are connected. The only way to tell for sure is to test your boat. >>> >>> ?Peter >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 15, 2019, at 1:42 PM, JP Dempsey wrote: >>> >>> Roger, The more I think about it and reading your last post, I like the idea >>> of using RTV on the CB. I do plan to inspect the entire CB system--blocks, >>> pinion, gasket, etc. Any recommendation on torque settings for the cap >>> bolts? I plan to paint the bilge as well. Also do you know if the bilge is >>> continuous to the lazarette or is that compartment separate? Thanks for >>> your input. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> JP Dempsey >>> s/v Respite >>> Rhodes 22 1989/2005 >>> Marshall,VA >>> -- >>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com Thu Apr 18 08:09:52 2019 From: Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 12:09:52 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] You know it's going to be a bad day on the water when ... In-Reply-To: <970b6633-213d-a6b8-6490-0fbcfc6e6a64@atlanticbb.net> References: <002f01d4f2f7$06040e40$120c2ac0$@ca> <1555337576662-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1555350137260-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <485E0430-04C4-4615-91C4-49CC13BAD50B@gmail.com> <25162dfa-47c5-a630-d854-3f1dc7114cf4@rhodes22.com> , <970b6633-213d-a6b8-6490-0fbcfc6e6a64@atlanticbb.net> Message-ID: [cid:image002.png at 01D4F5BE.189B76A0] Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 168B2EAB64F04E91A5B111FD8DCFE91B.png Type: image/png Size: 590829 bytes Desc: 168B2EAB64F04E91A5B111FD8DCFE91B.png URL: From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Thu Apr 18 17:59:28 2019 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 17:59:28 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] You know it's going to be a bad day on the water when ... In-Reply-To: References: <002f01d4f2f7$06040e40$120c2ac0$@ca> <1555337576662-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1555350137260-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <485E0430-04C4-4615-91C4-49CC13BAD50B@gmail.com> <25162dfa-47c5-a630-d854-3f1dc7114cf4@rhodes22.com> <970b6633-213d-a6b8-6490-0fbcfc6e6a64@atlanticbb.net> Message-ID: Either that or the Flat earthers are proven right. Chris Geankoplis Enosis II On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 8:09 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > [cid:image002.png at 01D4F5BE.189B76A0] > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 168B2EAB64F04E91A5B111FD8DCFE91B.png > Type: image/png > Size: 590829 bytes > Desc: 168B2EAB64F04E91A5B111FD8DCFE91B.png > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190418/d5536f50/attachment.png > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From john_carlson at mac.com Mon Apr 22 14:15:58 2019 From: john_carlson at mac.com (John Carlson) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 13:15:58 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] trouble putting the centerboard back in place Message-ID: I?ve got a 2004 (recycled in 2012) boat with the ?diamond? (center) board. I pulled the boat out of the lake (Waco) the last time I thought it was flooding to do some maintenance. I ended up I lifting the diamond board out to refinish it as it was in surprisingly rough shape. I?ve relied on the great notes here: http://www.rhodes22.org/rhodes/r22boardtrunk.pdf , although this describes an older centerboard design. Anyway, I dropped the renewed diamond board back in place with help, but I don?t think it seated correctly. I didn?t realize until after replacing the fiberglass hood that I couldn?t raise the board with the pennant. The bottom of the board is resting on a rubber roller on the trailer, but I should be able to pull it up a couple of inches. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Should I: 1. remove the hood, raise the board and try to reseat it? 2. jack the board up from the bottom to see it I can budge it to reseat? 3. wait until the boat is floating to drop the board and hope it re-seats correctly? I am loathe to do 1 and don?t want to if it is really unnecessary. Any advice or ideas? John Carlson 2004/12 Rhodes 22 Lillipelli From Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com Mon Apr 22 14:43:03 2019 From: Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 18:43:03 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] trouble putting the centerboard back in place In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: John, It?s possible the block on the trailing edge of the centerboard &/or a big tangle of the centerboard pennant got jammed in between the centerboard and the sides of the well. It might drop free if the boat were in the water and the centerboard lowered. I doubt you will be able to free it by jacking the board up. You could just back the boat into the water & off the trailer without even stepping the mast. If the centerboard won?t drop down; then, you can just put the boat back on the trailer and will have to open up the cap on the centerboard well to free up whatever got jammed in there. Launching the boat without rigging it 1st is pretty quick and easy. If it were my boat, I would give it a try before picking up your wrenches. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of John Carlson via Rhodes22-list Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 2:15:58 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] trouble putting the centerboard back in place I?ve got a 2004 (recycled in 2012) boat with the ?diamond? (center) board. I pulled the boat out of the lake (Waco) the last time I thought it was flooding to do some maintenance. I ended up I lifting the diamond board out to refinish it as it was in surprisingly rough shape. I?ve relied on the great notes here: http://www.rhodes22.org/rhodes/r22boardtrunk.pdf , although this describes an older centerboard design. Anyway, I dropped the renewed diamond board back in place with help, but I don?t think it seated correctly. I didn?t realize until after replacing the fiberglass hood that I couldn?t raise the board with the pennant. The bottom of the board is resting on a rubber roller on the trailer, but I should be able to pull it up a couple of inches. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Should I: 1. remove the hood, raise the board and try to reseat it? 2. jack the board up from the bottom to see it I can budge it to reseat? 3. wait until the boat is floating to drop the board and hope it re-seats correctly? I am loathe to do 1 and don?t want to if it is really unnecessary. Any advice or ideas? John Carlson 2004/12 Rhodes 22 Lillipelli __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From blue66corvette at hotmail.com Mon Apr 22 14:48:58 2019 From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 18:48:58 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] trouble putting the centerboard back in place In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: I agree with Roger. You want to take that approach even if you don?t expect trouble. The centerboard cap is below the water line and if it hasn?t sealed completely, you will want to be in a position to quickly retrieve the boat back on the trailer before it fills and you test the positive floatation system (don?t ask me how I know) Sent from my iPhone Charles Nieman DayDreams 98 R 22 Arlington, TX > On Apr 22, 2019, at 1:43 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > John, > > > > It?s possible the block on the trailing edge of the centerboard &/or a big tangle of the centerboard pennant got jammed in between the centerboard and the sides of the well. It might drop free if the boat were in the water and the centerboard lowered. I doubt you will be able to free it by jacking the board up. You could just back the boat into the water & off the trailer without even stepping the mast. If the centerboard won?t drop down; then, you can just put the boat back on the trailer and will have to open up the cap on the centerboard well to free up whatever got jammed in there. Launching the boat without rigging it 1st is pretty quick and easy. If it were my boat, I would give it a try before picking up your wrenches. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of John Carlson via Rhodes22-list > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 2:15:58 PM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] trouble putting the centerboard back in place > > I?ve got a 2004 (recycled in 2012) boat with the ?diamond? (center) board. I pulled the boat out of the lake (Waco) the last time I thought it was flooding to do some maintenance. I ended up I lifting the diamond board out to refinish it as it was in surprisingly rough shape. I?ve relied on the great notes here: http://www.rhodes22.org/rhodes/r22boardtrunk.pdf , although this describes an older centerboard design. > > Anyway, I dropped the renewed diamond board back in place with help, but I don?t think it seated correctly. I didn?t realize until after replacing the fiberglass hood that I couldn?t raise the board with the pennant. The bottom of the board is resting on a rubber roller on the trailer, but I should be able to pull it up a couple of inches. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. > > Should I: > 1. remove the hood, raise the board and try to reseat it? > 2. jack the board up from the bottom to see it I can budge it to reseat? > 3. wait until the boat is floating to drop the board and hope it re-seats correctly? > > I am loathe to do 1 and don?t want to if it is really unnecessary. Any advice or ideas? > > John Carlson > 2004/12 Rhodes 22 Lillipelli > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From Colealexander at hotmail.com Mon Apr 22 15:46:58 2019 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 12:46:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mold under the cockpit sole and in the bilge & lazarette? In-Reply-To: References: <1555350137260-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <485E0430-04C4-4615-91C4-49CC13BAD50B@gmail.com> <25162dfa-47c5-a630-d854-3f1dc7114cf4@rhodes22.com> Message-ID: <1555962418756-0.post@n5.nabble.com> My 2002 has no visible glass modifications. It only had water in the lazarette when the backyard boatyard (i.e. myself) got careless with the pressure washer. No water made it into the bilge with a couple inches in the lazarette. When the cockpit drains were plugged by sabotaging birds the cockpit held a couple inches of water and the bilge was full to the CB cap. The lazarette was dry. I think water was entering the cabin from the CB pennant tube since the companionway step was wet. I tore out the plywood cockpit sole (no rubber blocks were found) and step. The CB tube had somehow trapped a gelatinous mass of composting bird nest that formed a self sealing plug and allowed free movement of the pennant or even a length of wire 'snake'. Stan might study this as an all natural perpetually reforming gasket for future projects. Despite all my efforts, I have never smelled mold. >From what I've been able to figure out, the cockpit liner forms a bathtub that would require water up to the air (raccoon) gaps to pass to or from the lazarette. Likewise water in the cockpit would have to be near the level of the seats to overflow into the cabin (via a "s trap" ventilation chase of various liners opening under the cockpit seats). I assumed (optimistically?) the height was calculated by the waterline of a breached boat in calm water, so water would not overflow the compromised space. At least it exceeded descriptions in the archive of a flooded cabin (water almost reaching the cushions). Aside from any weep holes I did not see, the liners blocked off the foam under the cockpit. I'm certainly not second guessing Stan, but perhaps we are miscommunicating? As a slightly paranoid occasional cruiser with dreams of more, I really want to know exactly where water goes when, just in case. Alex ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From Colealexander at hotmail.com Mon Apr 22 16:00:43 2019 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 13:00:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] trouble putting the centerboard back in place In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1555963243738-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I have no advice, but please take pictures and let us know how you solve it. Was your trunk an issue like the article? I read that before and shuddered at the difficulty. Alex ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From rlowe at vt.edu Mon Apr 22 16:31:55 2019 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 20:31:55 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] trouble putting the centerboard back in place In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: John, Can you get to the board from underneath and move it at all? If you can't lift it up by pushing on it I'm not sure it will drop down once it's in the water. If you can move it by hand then perhaps the pennant line is stuck. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of John Carlson via Rhodes22-list Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 2:15 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] trouble putting the centerboard back in place I?ve got a 2004 (recycled in 2012) boat with the ?diamond? (center) board. I pulled the boat out of the lake (Waco) the last time I thought it was flooding to do some maintenance. I ended up I lifting the diamond board out to refinish it as it was in surprisingly rough shape. I?ve relied on the great notes here: http://www.rhodes22.org/rhodes/r22boardtrunk.pdf , although this describes an older centerboard design. Rhodes 22 Centerboard & Trunk Restoration www.rhodes22.org Rhodes 22 Centerboard & Trunk Restoration This article makes the assumption that there is possibly something wrong below your boat regarding the centerboard, the trunk in which it's housed, or the Anyway, I dropped the renewed diamond board back in place with help, but I don?t think it seated correctly. I didn?t realize until after replacing the fiberglass hood that I couldn?t raise the board with the pennant. The bottom of the board is resting on a rubber roller on the trailer, but I should be able to pull it up a couple of inches. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Should I: 1. remove the hood, raise the board and try to reseat it? 2. jack the board up from the bottom to see it I can budge it to reseat? 3. wait until the boat is floating to drop the board and hope it re-seats correctly? I am loathe to do 1 and don?t want to if it is really unnecessary. Any advice or ideas? John Carlson 2004/12 Rhodes 22 Lillipelli __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From mweisner at ebsmed.com Thu Apr 25 12:39:13 2019 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (mweisner at ebsmed.com) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 12:39:13 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tuning a Sailboat Rig Message-ID: <002f01d4fb85$6b726bf0$425743d0$@ebsmed.com> I found, at the BoatUS website, what appears to be a very nice explanation of the process of tuning the rig that does not require the use of Loos gauges or advocate over tightening. It should be very useful to any Rhodie as it seems to employ logic similar to Stan's. The link is: https://www.boatus.com/magazine/2019/april/tuning-a-sailboat-rig.asp The linked story is reproduced below for convenience. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY Tuning A Sailboat Rig By Mark Corke If your sailboat seems slower, follow our how-to on tuning your rig for optimal performance. Spring is a time of prepping your boat for the coming season. While powerboaters fine-tune their engines, sailors should consider fine-tuning their rigs. Doing it yourself may seem intimidating, but it shouldn't be. Anyone reasonably handy can do it in a few hours. The reward is easier and faster sailing throughout the coming season. Let's start with the basics for new sailors. With a few exceptions, a sailboat mast is held up by a series of stainless-steel wires. But those wires also perform several other equally important functions. When a sailboat is at rest and there is no wind blowing, the stress on these wires is very light with almost all the load downward toward the keel. However, when the boat is sailing and heeled over in a fresh breeze, more stress is placed on the wires and they have to work harder to hold the mast upright and stop it from bending. The wires that prevent the mast from moving from side to side are called shrouds, and the ones that prevent fore and aft movement are called stays. The larger and taller the mast, the greater the load, and the number of shrouds and stays required. On a typical cruiser, say up to about 35 feet, there will generally be one forestay, one backstay, and two shrouds on each side. To get the best performance from your boat and sails, the rigging needs to be set up correctly - often called "tuning the rig." The rig should be tuned with the boat in the water on a day with little to no wind. You'll also want to be away from wakes and other boats that can rock your boat. To start, the turnbuckles for the stays and shrouds should be hand-tight only. This is sufficient to hold up the rig but places no strain on anything - yet. Lay on your back on the boat's foredeck and sight up the front of the mast. It should be perfectly straight with no bends or kinks. Next, tighten the lower shrouds - these are the ones that do not go all the way to the top of the mast and often attach to the mast at the base of the crosstrees (the two horizontal spars at the upper ends of the topmasts). You'll need a large screwdriver to rotate the turnbuckle, and a wrench to hold the shroud fitting and prevent it turning as you tighten. Give a couple of complete turns on either side. Have a helper release the main halyard and keep a little tension while you pull down the end that normally attaches to the mainsail until it just touches the top of the toerail adjacent to the chain plate. Have your helper cleat off the halyard, then swing the halyard over the boom and check the measurement on the other side. They should be the same. If not, adjust the turnbuckles until they the measurement is equal on port and starboard. Adjusting and tuning a sailboat rig will often bring benefits such as easier handling and better performance. Next do the same for the cap shrouds, these are the ones that go to the top of the mast, but note that due to the length of the shrouds, it is easy to bend the mast to either port or starboard. With the shrouds adjusted, sight up the mast one more time to ensure that it is still straight. Next comes the fore and aft adjustment, which is made with the backstay and forestay. Masts should be plumb or lie back slightly. It should never rake forward. A good starting point is to tighten up the forestay and backstay a little over hand-tight. Use the main halyard as a plumb bob. Cleat off the halyard so the free end is just clear of the top of the boom and let it hang. If the shackle on the end of the halyard hits the mast, the mast is likely too far forward, so slacken off the forestay and tighten the backstay. Adjust a little at a time until the end of the halyard hangs free - 4 or 5 inches is a good starting point. You'll need to install cotter pins into the turnbuckles to prevent them loosening over time, but before doing that, take the boat for a sail when the wind is blowing about 10 knots and see how everything works. With the boat on a beam reach, note the tightness of the windward shrouds. If they appear slack, they will need to be adjusted up. If the boat is hard on the tiller or wheel and tries to turn into wind, the mast has too much aft rake, so you'll want to slacken the backstay and tighten up on the forestay a little. If the bow wants to turn away from the wind, the mast is too far forward, so you'll need to move the mast back a little. From cknell at vt.edu Fri Apr 26 17:31:52 2019 From: cknell at vt.edu (Chris on LBI) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 14:31:52 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader Bushings Message-ID: <1556314312523-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Hello Rhodies, I'm a relatively new owner of a second-hand refurbished Rhodes that we bought at the end of the 2017 season; factory refurbished in 2007. We sail her on Little Egg Harbor off of Long Beach Island in NJ. I also purchased a Certificate of Support from Stan shortly after purchasing the boat. Thank you all so much for your contributions to this forum. It has been extremely helpful for me as a new Rhodes owner. As I was putting new sails on earlier in the week, I discovered on this forum that there should be bushings between the spreader bars and the mast ... there is none on either port or starboard side of my boat so I don't know what they look like. I have attempted to contact General Boats, but it seem the phone has been disconnected. I was unable to send an email through this forum/list to Stan; I keep getting an error message saying there is a domain problem. Would someone be so kind as to post a photo of the bushing? Is there a source for the bushings other than General Boats? Many thanks, Chris ----- Long Beach Island -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From jayf401 at gmail.com Fri Apr 26 17:58:55 2019 From: jayf401 at gmail.com (Jay Friedland) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 17:58:55 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader Bushings In-Reply-To: <1556314312523-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1556314312523-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <3EC7A6BC-D746-4977-841D-B9B70DF2A1DF@gmail.com> Chris, How ?bout we do you one better? I?m guessing you probably are the new owner of Newfoundlander, a recycled R22 from John Taafe, and now located in Brant Beach. You are not alone. Instead of a photo, you could join us for the launch of S/V Wanderlust this Sunday at the Ship Bottom ramp around 9 AM and see the spreader bushings and whatever other hardware you have questions on. I will be prepping mine tomorrow south on 128th (N. Ohio Avenue, B.H. Terrace). Otherwise, Rob Baldi & I are setting up his R22 for launching probably on May 11 at Duck Cove Marina, Brant Beach. There are at least 5 R22 owners in the area with at least 100 years cumulative experience with Stan?s baby. Mel Rothbard in Loveladies, I believe has been in touch with Stan as his boat is either recently back or due back shortly from Edenton. Anything you need, except how to get through to Stan, we can normally handle. Jay Friedland S/V Wanderlust ?97 Cell 201/803-5665 > On Apr 26, 2019, at 5:31 PM, Chris on LBI wrote: > > Hello Rhodies, > > I'm a relatively new owner of a second-hand refurbished Rhodes that we > bought at the end of the 2017 season; factory refurbished in 2007. We sail > her on Little Egg Harbor off of Long Beach Island in NJ. I also purchased a > Certificate of Support from Stan shortly after purchasing the boat. > > Thank you all so much for your contributions to this forum. It has been > extremely helpful for me as a new Rhodes owner. > > As I was putting new sails on earlier in the week, I discovered on this > forum that there should be bushings between the spreader bars and the mast > ... there is none on either port or starboard side of my boat so I don't > know what they look like. > > I have attempted to contact General Boats, but it seem the phone has been > disconnected. I was unable to send an email through this forum/list to Stan; > I keep getting an error message saying there is a domain problem. > > Would someone be so kind as to post a photo of the bushing? Is there a > source for the bushings other than General Boats? > > Many thanks, > Chris > > > > ----- > Long Beach Island > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From shawn.sustain at gmail.com Fri Apr 26 19:20:59 2019 From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 16:20:59 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader Bushings In-Reply-To: <3EC7A6BC-D746-4977-841D-B9B70DF2A1DF@gmail.com> References: <1556314312523-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <3EC7A6BC-D746-4977-841D-B9B70DF2A1DF@gmail.com> Message-ID: I wonder if someone might send a photo of the spreader bar with bushings. It would be appreciated by those of us on the Left Coast. Cheers, Shawn s/v Sweet Baboo On Fri, Apr 26, 2019, 2:59 PM Jay Friedland wrote: > Chris, > How ?bout we do you one better? I?m guessing you probably are the new > owner of Newfoundlander, a recycled R22 from John Taafe, and now located in > Brant Beach. You are not alone. > > Instead of a photo, you could join us for the launch of S/V Wanderlust > this Sunday at the Ship Bottom ramp around 9 AM and see the spreader > bushings and whatever other hardware you have questions on. I will be > prepping mine tomorrow south on 128th (N. Ohio Avenue, B.H. Terrace). > Otherwise, Rob Baldi & I are setting up his R22 for launching probably on > May 11 at Duck Cove Marina, Brant Beach. > > There are at least 5 R22 owners in the area with at least 100 years > cumulative experience with Stan?s baby. Mel Rothbard in Loveladies, I > believe has been in touch with Stan as his boat is either recently back or > due back shortly from Edenton. > > Anything you need, except how to get through to Stan, we can normally > handle. > > Jay Friedland > S/V Wanderlust ?97 > > Cell 201/803-5665 > > > On Apr 26, 2019, at 5:31 PM, Chris on LBI wrote: > > > > Hello Rhodies, > > > > I'm a relatively new owner of a second-hand refurbished Rhodes that we > > bought at the end of the 2017 season; factory refurbished in 2007. We > sail > > her on Little Egg Harbor off of Long Beach Island in NJ. I also > purchased a > > Certificate of Support from Stan shortly after purchasing the boat. > > > > Thank you all so much for your contributions to this forum. It has been > > extremely helpful for me as a new Rhodes owner. > > > > As I was putting new sails on earlier in the week, I discovered on this > > forum that there should be bushings between the spreader bars and the > mast > > ... there is none on either port or starboard side of my boat so I don't > > know what they look like. > > > > I have attempted to contact General Boats, but it seem the phone has been > > disconnected. I was unable to send an email through this forum/list to > Stan; > > I keep getting an error message saying there is a domain problem. > > > > Would someone be so kind as to post a photo of the bushing? Is there a > > source for the bushings other than General Boats? > > > > Many thanks, > > Chris > > > > > > > > ----- > > Long Beach Island > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com Fri Apr 26 19:55:44 2019 From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 19:55:44 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader Bushings In-Reply-To: References: <1556314312523-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <3EC7A6BC-D746-4977-841D-B9B70DF2A1DF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <870BB50B-1501-48F7-A535-9D30909B9389@gmail.com> Sad that we cant order parts. Stan: What is the plan? Bob S/V Saved by Grace > On Apr 26, 2019, at 7:20 PM, Shawn Boles wrote: > > I wonder if someone might send a photo of the spreader bar with bushings. > It would be appreciated by those of us on the Left Coast. > > Cheers, > > Shawn > s/v Sweet Baboo > >> On Fri, Apr 26, 2019, 2:59 PM Jay Friedland wrote: >> >> Chris, >> How ?bout we do you one better? I?m guessing you probably are the new >> owner of Newfoundlander, a recycled R22 from John Taafe, and now located in >> Brant Beach. You are not alone. >> >> Instead of a photo, you could join us for the launch of S/V Wanderlust >> this Sunday at the Ship Bottom ramp around 9 AM and see the spreader >> bushings and whatever other hardware you have questions on. I will be >> prepping mine tomorrow south on 128th (N. Ohio Avenue, B.H. Terrace). >> Otherwise, Rob Baldi & I are setting up his R22 for launching probably on >> May 11 at Duck Cove Marina, Brant Beach. >> >> There are at least 5 R22 owners in the area with at least 100 years >> cumulative experience with Stan?s baby. Mel Rothbard in Loveladies, I >> believe has been in touch with Stan as his boat is either recently back or >> due back shortly from Edenton. >> >> Anything you need, except how to get through to Stan, we can normally >> handle. >> >> Jay Friedland >> S/V Wanderlust ?97 >> >> Cell 201/803-5665 >> >>> On Apr 26, 2019, at 5:31 PM, Chris on LBI wrote: >>> >>> Hello Rhodies, >>> >>> I'm a relatively new owner of a second-hand refurbished Rhodes that we >>> bought at the end of the 2017 season; factory refurbished in 2007. We >> sail >>> her on Little Egg Harbor off of Long Beach Island in NJ. I also >> purchased a >>> Certificate of Support from Stan shortly after purchasing the boat. >>> >>> Thank you all so much for your contributions to this forum. It has been >>> extremely helpful for me as a new Rhodes owner. >>> >>> As I was putting new sails on earlier in the week, I discovered on this >>> forum that there should be bushings between the spreader bars and the >> mast >>> ... there is none on either port or starboard side of my boat so I don't >>> know what they look like. >>> >>> I have attempted to contact General Boats, but it seem the phone has been >>> disconnected. I was unable to send an email through this forum/list to >> Stan; >>> I keep getting an error message saying there is a domain problem. >>> >>> Would someone be so kind as to post a photo of the bushing? Is there a >>> source for the bushings other than General Boats? >>> >>> Many thanks, >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Long Beach Island >>> -- >>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives >> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From cknell at vt.edu Fri Apr 26 22:14:19 2019 From: cknell at vt.edu (Chris on LBI) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 19:14:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader Bushings In-Reply-To: <3EC7A6BC-D746-4977-841D-B9B70DF2A1DF@gmail.com> References: <1556314312523-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <3EC7A6BC-D746-4977-841D-B9B70DF2A1DF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1556331259544-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Jay, You are correct ... that is us in Newfoundlander just below Duck Cove in Brant Beach. I think my wife and I probably said "hello" to Bob Baldi on the water as we passed one another in 2017. I stopped by Duck Cove this morning in hopes that I could see his mast, but alas, he keeps it under a very nice boat cover. I had heard that the "Spray Beach" R22 is hauled out and stored there. We are off-island on Sunday morning, but I will plan to stop by 128th tomorrow to see if I can find you. Thank you for the offer. It is very nice to know that I am not alone up here. Chris ----- Long Beach Island -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From jsail1 at verizon.net Fri Apr 26 23:01:31 2019 From: jsail1 at verizon.net (JAY FRIEDLAND) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 23:01:31 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader Bushings In-Reply-To: <1556331259544-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1556314312523-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <3EC7A6BC-D746-4977-841D-B9B70DF2A1DF@gmail.com> <1556331259544-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <06DB3316-DA4E-4B18-B4E4-DDBC29BE138D@verizon.net> Should be around almost all day. Give me a call. > On Apr 26, 2019, at 10:14 PM, Chris on LBI wrote: > > Jay, > > You are correct ... that is us in Newfoundlander just below Duck Cove in > Brant Beach. I think my wife and I probably said "hello" to Bob Baldi on the > water as we passed one another in 2017. I stopped by Duck Cove this morning > in hopes that I could see his mast, but alas, he keeps it under a very nice > boat cover. I had heard that the "Spray Beach" R22 is hauled out and stored > there. > > We are off-island on Sunday morning, but I will plan to stop by 128th > tomorrow to see if I can find you. Thank you for the offer. > > It is very nice to know that I am not alone up here. > > Chris > > > > > ----- > Long Beach Island > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From cknell at vt.edu Sat Apr 27 12:32:19 2019 From: cknell at vt.edu (Chris on LBI) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2019 09:32:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader Bushings In-Reply-To: References: <1556314312523-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <3EC7A6BC-D746-4977-841D-B9B70DF2A1DF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1556382739094-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Shawn, I visited Jay this morning and took a couple of photos of his spreader bushings. Many thanks to Jay for seeing my post last night and allowing me to visit to see the parts for myself before he launches tomorrow. I'm going to try to attach the photos to this post. It seems to me the bushings are dual purpose: 1) rubber bushing to prevent the spreader bar socket from rubbing on the mast and 2) shim to compensate for the curvature of the mast. As my temporary replacement for the bushing/shims I used toilet shims that I bought at a hardware store; they are almost exactly the same size and pitch as the factory parts, although they are probably of an inferior rubber. Certainly they better than not having a bushing there at all. The shim appears to be oriented with thick side forward (thin side aft). Chris ----- Long Beach Island -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From shawn.sustain at gmail.com Sat Apr 27 14:48:14 2019 From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2019 11:48:14 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader Bushings In-Reply-To: <1556382739094-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1556314312523-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <3EC7A6BC-D746-4977-841D-B9B70DF2A1DF@gmail.com> <1556382739094-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Chris: Thanks for the pictures and the alternative source. I'm off to the hardware store! Cheers, Shawn s/v Sweet Baboo On Sat, Apr 27, 2019, 9:32 AM Chris on LBI wrote: > Shawn, > > I visited Jay this morning and took a couple of photos of his spreader > bushings. Many thanks to Jay for seeing my post last night and allowing me > to visit to see the parts for myself before he launches tomorrow. I'm going > to try to attach the photos to this post. > > It seems to me the bushings are dual purpose: 1) rubber bushing to prevent > the spreader bar socket from rubbing on the mast and 2) shim to compensate > for the curvature of the mast. As my temporary replacement for the > bushing/shims I used toilet shims that I bought at a hardware store; they > are almost exactly the same size and pitch as the factory parts, although > they are probably of an inferior rubber. Certainly they better than not > having a bushing there at all. > > The shim appears to be oriented with thick side forward (thin side aft). > > Chris > > > > > > > > ----- > Long Beach Island > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From cjlowe at sssnet.com Sat Apr 27 16:39:52 2019 From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2019 16:39:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader Bushings In-Reply-To: <1556382739094-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1556314312523-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <3EC7A6BC-D746-4977-841D-B9B70DF2A1DF@gmail.com> <1556382739094-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <52782.24.140.30.102.1556397592.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Chris, Thanks for posting the pictures of the bushings, just made and installed mine. Jerry Lowe > Shawn, > > I visited Jay this morning and took a couple of photos of his spreader > bushings. Many thanks to Jay for seeing my post last night and allowing me > to visit to see the parts for myself before he launches tomorrow. I'm > going > to try to attach the photos to this post. > > It seems to me the bushings are dual purpose: 1) rubber bushing to prevent > the spreader bar socket from rubbing on the mast and 2) shim to compensate > for the curvature of the mast. As my temporary replacement for the > bushing/shims I used toilet shims that I bought at a hardware store; they > are almost exactly the same size and pitch as the factory parts, although > they are probably of an inferior rubber. Certainly they better than not > having a bushing there at all. > > The shim appears to be oriented with thick side forward (thin side aft). > > Chris > > > > > > > > ----- > Long Beach Island > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From 4cgabriel at gmail.com Sun Apr 28 20:16:13 2019 From: 4cgabriel at gmail.com (C Gabriel) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 20:16:13 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Delay Test 1 8:16pm Sun Message-ID: Test 1 From mweisner at ebsmed.com Sun Apr 28 20:20:24 2019 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 20:20:24 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Delay Test 1 8:16pm Sun In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000201d4fe21$58371dd0$08a55970$@ebsmed.com> What are you testing? Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of C Gabriel Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2019 8:16 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Delay Test 1 8:16pm Sun Test 1 __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From charles.gabriel at gmail.com Sun Apr 28 20:22:16 2019 From: charles.gabriel at gmail.com (Charles Gabriel) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 20:22:16 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Delay Test 1 8:16pm Sun In-Reply-To: <000201d4fe21$58371dd0$08a55970$@ebsmed.com> References: <000201d4fe21$58371dd0$08a55970$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Postings to the list not appearing...just trying to figure out why... On Sun, Apr 28, 2019, 8:20 PM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > What are you testing? > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of C > Gabriel > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2019 8:16 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Delay Test 1 8:16pm Sun > > Test 1 > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From 4cgabriel at gmail.com Sun Apr 28 20:32:30 2019 From: 4cgabriel at gmail.com (C Gabriel) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 20:32:30 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Delay Test 1 8:16pm Sun In-Reply-To: <000201d4fe21$58371dd0$08a55970$@ebsmed.com> References: <000201d4fe21$58371dd0$08a55970$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Hi Mike, et al, Stan has been having repeated problems getting his messages to post. He has a message about those spreader bushings. Charles [Gabriel] and I [the lovely wife, both usually lurking in background] are attempting to test whether it's a spam problem, a domain problem, a DNS problem, a mail handler problem, or a "Stan" problem. Any help would be appreciated so we can help Stan. Cecilia S/V Fairlady On Sun, Apr 28, 2019, 8:20 PM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > What are you testing? > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of C > Gabriel > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2019 8:16 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Delay Test 1 8:16pm Sun > > Test 1 > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From 4cgabriel at gmail.com Sun Apr 28 20:35:23 2019 From: 4cgabriel at gmail.com (C Gabriel) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 20:35:23 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Test 2 sent 8:35 Message-ID: Test 2 From keywestseccorp at verizon.net Mon Apr 15 12:05:17 2019 From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 16:05:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair References: <444119932.2818684.1555344318769.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <444119932.2818684.1555344318769@mail.yahoo.com> I saved the original gasket cleaned it with Acetone then used a gasket sealer fender washers lock nuts all stainless steel tightened bolts center out about 4 times increasing torque each time also wile here cleaned and painted center board trunk and cap also good time to replace pivot pin? I made one from a solid 316 SS have lathe helped replace lifting line ? -----Original Message----- From: JP Dempsey To: rhodes22-list Sent: Mon, Apr 15, 2019 11:09 am Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair Thanks Roger, Good information. I've inspected the bolts and replacing as needed and have 316 fender washers and nylock nuts on order (McMaster and Carr is great source for EVERYTHING!) RTV makes good sense, but Stan says neoprene is best on its own. I'll follow up with a report and more photos when project is complete. ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Marshall,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_1296.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 1879943 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_1289.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 1606002 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_1290.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 1479919 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com Mon Apr 15 16:11:31 2019 From: alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com (Alexis Seigneurin) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 20:11:31 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the cabin In-Reply-To: <1555349635227-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: , <1555349635227-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: JP, yes I found the water leaks, and there were quite a few! - cockpit drains - support for a bed in the cockpit, just below the companionway - centerboard pendant tube - hatch rails The ports didn?t have any leak though. There was also an important leak at the bow, where a hatch can be used to store the anchor chain. My bilge is almost dry now. My boat is in Deltaville, VA. I launched last week with a forklift and I went sailing twice already. Pictures attached! Alexis [Image] [Image] [Image] ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of JP Dempsey Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 1:33 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the cabin Alexis, I just came back to this chain after starting one on Floor Board Removal due to rot/mold and water in the bilge and lazzarette. It seems that both of these chains have generated much response with helpful information. Hope you located all your leaks. Are you launched yet? and where are you keeping your Rhodes? I was hoping to be launched by the end of this month but alas much more work to be done, maybe mid May if I'm lucky. ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Marshall,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Image-21.png Type: image/jpeg Size: 1848782 bytes Desc: Image-21.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Image-22.png Type: image/jpeg Size: 1517204 bytes Desc: Image-22.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Image-19.png Type: image/jpeg Size: 1732689 bytes Desc: Image-19.png URL: From mweisner at ebsmed.com Sun Apr 28 20:37:22 2019 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 20:37:22 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Delay Test 1 8:16pm Sun In-Reply-To: References: <000201d4fe21$58371dd0$08a55970$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: <000301d4fe23$b6c018a0$244049e0$@ebsmed.com> I just released several messages that were being held, mostly b/c the photo attachment was too large. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of C Gabriel Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2019 8:33 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Delay Test 1 8:16pm Sun Hi Mike, et al, Stan has been having repeated problems getting his messages to post. He has a message about those spreader bushings. Charles [Gabriel] and I [the lovely wife, both usually lurking in background] are attempting to test whether it's a spam problem, a domain problem, a DNS problem, a mail handler problem, or a "Stan" problem. Any help would be appreciated so we can help Stan. Cecilia S/V Fairlady On Sun, Apr 28, 2019, 8:20 PM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > What are you testing? > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > C Gabriel > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2019 8:16 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Delay Test 1 8:16pm Sun > > Test 1 > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From mweisner at ebsmed.com Sun Apr 28 20:41:49 2019 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 20:41:49 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Delay Test 1 8:16pm Sun In-Reply-To: <000301d4fe23$b6c018a0$244049e0$@ebsmed.com> References: <000201d4fe21$58371dd0$08a55970$@ebsmed.com> <000301d4fe23$b6c018a0$244049e0$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: <000401d4fe24$55c2e220$0148a660$@ebsmed.com> It looks like Bob & Kathy may have a virus based on the link included. I saw nothing else being held. Stan may have trouble posting b/c his list membership is stan at rhodes22.com which I believe may not be functioning properly based on some of the recent list traffic. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Michael D. Weisner Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2019 8:37 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Delay Test 1 8:16pm Sun I just released several messages that were being held, mostly b/c the photo attachment was too large. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of C Gabriel Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2019 8:33 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Delay Test 1 8:16pm Sun Hi Mike, et al, Stan has been having repeated problems getting his messages to post. He has a message about those spreader bushings. Charles [Gabriel] and I [the lovely wife, both usually lurking in background] are attempting to test whether it's a spam problem, a domain problem, a DNS problem, a mail handler problem, or a "Stan" problem. Any help would be appreciated so we can help Stan. Cecilia S/V Fairlady On Sun, Apr 28, 2019, 8:20 PM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > What are you testing? > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > C Gabriel > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2019 8:16 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Delay Test 1 8:16pm Sun > > Test 1 > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From charles.gabriel at gmail.com Sun Apr 28 20:43:39 2019 From: charles.gabriel at gmail.com (Charles Gabriel) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 20:43:39 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Delay Test 1 8:16pm Sun In-Reply-To: References: <000201d4fe21$58371dd0$08a55970$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Ahh... here we go... Stan is trying to post from his generalboats.com account which is probably not subscribed to the list... On Sun, Apr 28, 2019, 8:32 PM C Gabriel <4cgabriel at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Mike, et al, > > Stan has been having repeated problems getting his messages to post. He has > a message about those spreader bushings. > > Charles [Gabriel] and I [the lovely wife, both usually lurking in > background] are attempting to test whether it's a spam problem, a domain > problem, a DNS problem, a mail handler problem, or a "Stan" problem. Any > help would be appreciated so we can help Stan. > > Cecilia > S/V Fairlady > > > > On Sun, Apr 28, 2019, 8:20 PM Michael D. Weisner > wrote: > > > What are you testing? > > > > Mike > > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > > Nissequogue River, NY > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of C > > Gabriel > > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2019 8:16 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Delay Test 1 8:16pm Sun > > > > Test 1 > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > > to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From 4cgabriel at gmail.com Sun Apr 28 20:48:40 2019 From: 4cgabriel at gmail.com (4cgabriel) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 17:48:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Delay Test 1 8:16pm Sun In-Reply-To: References: <000201d4fe21$58371dd0$08a55970$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: <1556498920775-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Mike, Is there any way to turn off the footers to subscribe? Most of us have got that idea and its cluttering up responses .. Cecilia -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From mweisner at ebsmed.com Sun Apr 28 20:57:11 2019 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 20:57:11 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Delay Test 1 8:16pm Sun In-Reply-To: <1556498920775-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <000201d4fe21$58371dd0$08a55970$@ebsmed.com> <1556498920775-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <000501d4fe26$7b36d370$71a47a50$@ebsmed.com> I just did, I hope. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of 4cgabriel Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2019 8:49 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Delay Test 1 8:16pm Sun Mike, Is there any way to turn off the footers to subscribe? Most of us have got that idea and its cluttering up responses .. Cecilia -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From mweisner at ebsmed.com Sun Apr 28 20:58:20 2019 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 20:58:20 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Delay Test 1 8:16pm Sun In-Reply-To: <000501d4fe26$7b36d370$71a47a50$@ebsmed.com> References: <000201d4fe21$58371dd0$08a55970$@ebsmed.com> <1556498920775-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <000501d4fe26$7b36d370$71a47a50$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: <000601d4fe26$a43a8d20$ecafa760$@ebsmed.com> It appears to have worked! Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Michael D. Weisner Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2019 8:57 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Delay Test 1 8:16pm Sun I just did, I hope. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of 4cgabriel Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2019 8:49 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Delay Test 1 8:16pm Sun Mike, Is there any way to turn off the footers to subscribe? Most of us have got that idea and its cluttering up responses .. Cecilia From 4cgabriel at gmail.com Sun Apr 28 21:05:08 2019 From: 4cgabriel at gmail.com (C Gabriel) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 21:05:08 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] List maint sent 9:04 PM Sun Message-ID: Mike thanks very much for the quick updates!!! Charles and I are trying to help Stan solve his postings problem. Stan has been replying to many of the posters over the last months but it's not coming through; he has an important message about the bushings [and is alive and well]. From stan at rhodes22.com Sun Apr 28 21:09:28 2019 From: stan at rhodes22.com (stan spitzer) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 01:09:28 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] the Chris spreader shims affair Message-ID: <73cf2683-d165-a6a0-76f9-d909c5c10228@rhodes22.com> Chris of the spreader shims, and other parts deprived Rhodies: GB is pleased to announce the enlistment of a part time white knight as commodore of the Rhodes parts division. He harbors two Rhodes and the gift of making Rhodes parts even better. Chris, send your parts department receiving address and a set of Rhodes IMF MAST spreader shims will be delivered at no cost, your being a true believer in the Certificate of Support community. If your shim issue has been resolved keep these, should this rare disease strikes again. For those waiting for parts, they are now being created by skilled hands that make delays worthwhile. For those who would like to know the name of GB's parts artist, it is Sir Charles Gabriel who some may have met at Annapolis. GB remains in need of partnering, however the search has narrowed to either side of divorced candidates. Prospects for GB's next 60 years have further been boosted by the once sleepy 2 lane "Rt. 17 ocean highway" becoming new I-87, destined to put still sleepy Edenton, and GB's 9 industrial acres location, on the Map. stan From ews1esq at yahoo.com Sun Apr 28 21:19:47 2019 From: ews1esq at yahoo.com (Eric Smith) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 21:19:47 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] the Chris spreader shims affair In-Reply-To: <73cf2683-d165-a6a0-76f9-d909c5c10228@rhodes22.com> References: <73cf2683-d165-a6a0-76f9-d909c5c10228@rhodes22.com> Message-ID: Stan, Happy to hear you are kicking! I purchased a ?recycled? 1995 Rhodes 22 from GB in 2004. In 2016, I sent her back from New Jersey to Edenton where she was fully renovated. Since then, I?ve retired and now live in Fort Pierce, Florida. Docking at my new slip, I bumped the pulpit on the dock. This obliterated the bow light which was screwed to a plate welded to the pulpit. I tried to call the number on the web. No dice. I emailed Edvin Chavez who replied that he no longer works there. He gave me Tino?s number. Tino is supposed to get back to me. Can you get me a new bow light or the name of the manufacturer and part number? Thanks! Eric Smith. ews1esq at yahoo.com 973 978 7994 Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 28, 2019, at 9:09 PM, stan spitzer wrote: > > > Chris of the spreader shims, and other parts deprived Rhodies: GB is pleased to announce the enlistment of a part time white knight as commodore of the Rhodes parts division. He harbors two Rhodes and the gift of making Rhodes parts even better. > > Chris, send your parts department receiving address and a set of Rhodes IMF MAST spreader shims will be delivered at no cost, your being a true believer in the Certificate of Support community. If your shim issue has been resolved keep these, should this rare disease strikes again. > > For those waiting for parts, they are now being created by skilled hands that make delays worthwhile. For those who would like to know the name of GB's parts artist, it is Sir Charles Gabriel who some may have met at Annapolis. > > GB remains in need of partnering, however the search has narrowed to either side of divorced candidates. Prospects for GB's next 60 years have further been boosted by the once sleepy 2 lane "Rt. 17 ocean highway" becoming new I-87, destined to put still sleepy Edenton, and GB's 9 industrial acres location, on the Map. > > stan From mweisner at ebsmed.com Sun Apr 28 21:24:45 2019 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 21:24:45 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's communications Message-ID: <001b01d4fe2a$552cade0$ff8609a0$@ebsmed.com> Still working w Stan to maintain communications by email and improve communications by telephone. Apparently there's a telephone problem too; please post a copy of this to tell everyone that we are working on the phone problem as well! Cecilia S/V Fairlady From 4cgabriel at gmail.com Sun Apr 28 22:01:26 2019 From: 4cgabriel at gmail.com (C Gabriel) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 22:01:26 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] the Chris spreader shims affair In-Reply-To: References: <73cf2683-d165-a6a0-76f9-d909c5c10228@rhodes22.com> Message-ID: Eric, We just spoke and will get you info about that light shortly. Thanks for letting General Boats know of the situation. We are working on the phone problem too! Cecilia for Stan at General Boats On Sun, Apr 28, 2019, 9:19 PM Eric Smith via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Stan, Happy to hear you are kicking! I purchased a ?recycled? > 1995 Rhodes 22 from GB in 2004. In 2016, I sent her back from New Jersey > to Edenton where she was fully renovated. Since then, I?ve retired and now > live in Fort Pierce, Florida. Docking at my new slip, I bumped the pulpit > on the dock. This obliterated the bow light which was screwed to a plate > welded to the pulpit. I tried to call the number on the web. No dice. I > emailed Edvin Chavez who replied that he no longer works there. He gave me > Tino?s number. Tino is supposed to get back to me. Can you get me a new bow > light or the name of the manufacturer and part number? > > Thanks! Eric Smith. > > ews1esq at yahoo.com > 973 978 7994 > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 28, 2019, at 9:09 PM, stan spitzer wrote: > > > > > > Chris of the spreader shims, and other parts deprived Rhodies: GB is > pleased to announce the enlistment of a part time white knight as commodore > of the Rhodes parts division. He harbors two Rhodes and the gift of making > Rhodes parts even better. > > > > Chris, send your > parts department receiving address and a set of Rhodes IMF MAST spreader > shims will be delivered at no cost, your being a true believer in the > Certificate of Support community. If your shim issue has been resolved > keep these, should this rare disease strikes again. > > > > For those waiting for parts, they are now being created by skilled hands > that make delays worthwhile. For those who would like to know the name of > GB's parts artist, it is Sir Charles Gabriel who some may have met at > Annapolis. > > > > GB remains in need of partnering, however the search has narrowed to > either side of divorced candidates. Prospects for GB's next 60 years have > further been boosted by the once sleepy 2 lane "Rt. 17 ocean highway" > becoming new I-87, destined to put still sleepy Edenton, and GB's 9 > industrial acres location, on the Map. > > > > stan > > From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com Sun Apr 28 22:24:57 2019 From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 22:24:57 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] List maint sent 9:04 PM Sun In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <333F6EF1-C3BD-4770-9C1E-3DA827DDBB46@gmail.com> Stan!!! We love you but..... Start a website and sell parts! You will make $$$$$ Use fatcow as a webhost. Its cheap and works! Good luck!! ???????? > On Apr 28, 2019, at 9:05 PM, C Gabriel <4cgabriel at gmail.com> wrote: > > Mike thanks very much for the quick updates!!! Charles and I are trying to > help Stan solve his postings problem. Stan has been replying to many of the > posters over the last months but it's not coming through; he has an > important message about the bushings [and is alive and well]. From 4cgabriel at gmail.com Sun Apr 28 23:44:12 2019 From: 4cgabriel at gmail.com (4cgabriel) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 20:44:12 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] List maint In-Reply-To: <333F6EF1-C3BD-4770-9C1E-3DA827DDBB46@gmail.com> References: <333F6EF1-C3BD-4770-9C1E-3DA827DDBB46@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1556509452233-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Great idea and thanks for the domain information. Charles and I are helping Stan resolve these and more communication issues, including the phone, parts ordering process, general info, and ease of ordering. In the short term email me or phone me and I will forward to Stan. "" 4cgabriel @ gmail.com "" 919 649 5959 Cecilia S/V Fairlady -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From shawn.sustain at gmail.com Mon Apr 29 00:34:44 2019 From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 21:34:44 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] List maint sent 9:04 PM Sun In-Reply-To: <333F6EF1-C3BD-4770-9C1E-3DA827DDBB46@gmail.com> References: <333F6EF1-C3BD-4770-9C1E-3DA827DDBB46@gmail.com> Message-ID: Stan: As I've said before , a web-based parts department for GB would be relatively easy income for you and a blessing for the rest of us. Cheers, Shawn s/v Sweet Baboo On Sun, Apr 28, 2019, 7:25 PM Goodness wrote: > Stan!!! We love you but..... Start a website and sell parts! You will > make $$$$$ > Use fatcow as a webhost. Its cheap and works! > Good luck!! > ???????? > > > On Apr 28, 2019, at 9:05 PM, C Gabriel <4cgabriel at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Mike thanks very much for the quick updates!!! Charles and I are trying > to > > help Stan solve his postings problem. Stan has been replying to many of > the > > posters over the last months but it's not coming through; he has an > > important message about the bushings [and is alive and well]. > From ric at stottarchitecture.com Mon Apr 29 06:28:31 2019 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 06:28:31 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] List maint sent 9:04 PM Sun In-Reply-To: References: <333F6EF1-C3BD-4770-9C1E-3DA827DDBB46@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1B2126BB-1A6D-4DF3-B682-8884C81193D8@stottarchitecture.com> There are a few parts I?d like to buy, like a ?Diamond Centerboard?, and a new stern rail with the curve out for the seats and walk thru space for the stem ladder. Also a mast prop for raising and lowering the mast. If I knew these parts were available and how much they cost, I could plan for them. Ric Sv Dadventure Hampton Bays Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 29, 2019, at 12:34 AM, Shawn Boles wrote: > > Stan: > > As I've said before , a web-based parts department for GB would be > relatively easy income for you and a blessing for the rest of us. > > Cheers, > Shawn > > s/v Sweet Baboo > > > >> On Sun, Apr 28, 2019, 7:25 PM Goodness wrote: >> >> Stan!!! We love you but..... Start a website and sell parts! You will >> make $$$$$ >> Use fatcow as a webhost. Its cheap and works! >> Good luck!! >> ???????? >> >>> On Apr 28, 2019, at 9:05 PM, C Gabriel <4cgabriel at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Mike thanks very much for the quick updates!!! Charles and I are trying >> to >>> help Stan solve his postings problem. Stan has been replying to many of >> the >>> posters over the last months but it's not coming through; he has an >>> important message about the bushings [and is alive and well]. >> From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com Mon Apr 29 08:00:13 2019 From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 08:00:13 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] List maint sent 9:04 PM Sun In-Reply-To: <1B2126BB-1A6D-4DF3-B682-8884C81193D8@stottarchitecture.com> References: <333F6EF1-C3BD-4770-9C1E-3DA827DDBB46@gmail.com> <1B2126BB-1A6D-4DF3-B682-8884C81193D8@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: <17A7B5BC-53FA-4BDE-BC3C-A8A8FDCDA1E2@gmail.com> Likewise i would like a sliding hatch and spinnaker sheaves. Hmmm diamond board.... ? > On Apr 29, 2019, at 6:28 AM, Ric Stott wrote: > > There are a few parts I?d like to buy, like a ?Diamond Centerboard?, and a new stern rail with the curve out for the seats and walk thru space for the stem ladder. Also a mast prop for raising and lowering the mast. > If I knew these parts were available and how much they cost, I could plan for them. > Ric > Sv Dadventure > Hampton Bays > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 29, 2019, at 12:34 AM, Shawn Boles wrote: >> >> Stan: >> >> As I've said before , a web-based parts department for GB would be >> relatively easy income for you and a blessing for the rest of us. >> >> Cheers, >> Shawn >> >> s/v Sweet Baboo >> >> >> >>> On Sun, Apr 28, 2019, 7:25 PM Goodness wrote: >>> >>> Stan!!! We love you but..... Start a website and sell parts! You will >>> make $$$$$ >>> Use fatcow as a webhost. Its cheap and works! >>> Good luck!! >>> ???????? >>> >>>> On Apr 28, 2019, at 9:05 PM, C Gabriel <4cgabriel at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Mike thanks very much for the quick updates!!! Charles and I are trying >>> to >>>> help Stan solve his postings problem. Stan has been replying to many of >>> the >>>> posters over the last months but it's not coming through; he has an >>>> important message about the bushings [and is alive and well]. >>> From ccowie at cowieassociates.com Mon Apr 29 12:31:33 2019 From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 16:31:33 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] List maint sent 9:04 PM Sun In-Reply-To: <17A7B5BC-53FA-4BDE-BC3C-A8A8FDCDA1E2@gmail.com> References: <333F6EF1-C3BD-4770-9C1E-3DA827DDBB46@gmail.com> <1B2126BB-1A6D-4DF3-B682-8884C81193D8@stottarchitecture.com> <17A7B5BC-53FA-4BDE-BC3C-A8A8FDCDA1E2@gmail.com> Message-ID: If you are looking for boat parts check out https://www.voilieryachts.com/shop They have a basic list of parts you might be interested in and you can also email them or make an on line request for specific parts and price. This page is updated as additional parts requests are made. Christopher P. Cowie? ?? 700 N Fairfax Street Suite 304 Alexandria, Virginia 22314 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] Please consider the environment before printing this email. -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Goodness Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 8:00 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] List maint sent 9:04 PM Sun Likewise i would like a sliding hatch and spinnaker sheaves. Hmmm diamond board.... ? > On Apr 29, 2019, at 6:28 AM, Ric Stott wrote: > > There are a few parts I?d like to buy, like a ?Diamond Centerboard?, and a new stern rail with the curve out for the seats and walk thru space for the stem ladder. Also a mast prop for raising and lowering the mast. > If I knew these parts were available and how much they cost, I could plan for them. > Ric > Sv Dadventure > Hampton Bays > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 29, 2019, at 12:34 AM, Shawn Boles wrote: >> >> Stan: >> >> As I've said before , a web-based parts department for GB would be >> relatively easy income for you and a blessing for the rest of us. >> >> Cheers, >> Shawn >> >> s/v Sweet Baboo >> >> >> >>> On Sun, Apr 28, 2019, 7:25 PM Goodness wrote: >>> >>> Stan!!! We love you but..... Start a website and sell parts! You >>> will make $$$$$ Use fatcow as a webhost. Its cheap and works! >>> Good luck!! >>> ???????? >>> >>>> On Apr 28, 2019, at 9:05 PM, C Gabriel <4cgabriel at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Mike thanks very much for the quick updates!!! Charles and I are >>>> trying >>> to >>>> help Stan solve his postings problem. Stan has been replying to >>>> many of >>> the >>>> posters over the last months but it's not coming through; he has an >>>> important message about the bushings [and is alive and well]. >>> From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Mon Apr 29 12:54:50 2019 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 16:54:50 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] List maint sent 9:04 PM Sun In-Reply-To: References: <333F6EF1-C3BD-4770-9C1E-3DA827DDBB46@gmail.com> <1B2126BB-1A6D-4DF3-B682-8884C81193D8@stottarchitecture.com> <17A7B5BC-53FA-4BDE-BC3C-A8A8FDCDA1E2@gmail.com> Message-ID: Chris, I just looked on this site and there?s nothing there that I couldn?t get from West Marine or Defender Marine. Does Voiliery Yachts have some secret stash of Rhodes 22 pieces/parts? Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilbrium Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 29, 2019, at 12:31 PM, Chris Cowie wrote: > > If you are looking for boat parts check out https://www.voilieryachts.com/shop They have a basic list of parts you might be interested in and you can also email them or make an on line request for specific parts and price. This page is updated as additional parts requests are made. > > Christopher P. Cowie > > 700 N Fairfax Street > Suite 304 > Alexandria, Virginia 22314 > 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] > > > > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Goodness > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 8:00 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] List maint sent 9:04 PM Sun > > Likewise i would like a sliding hatch and spinnaker sheaves. > Hmmm diamond board.... ? > >> On Apr 29, 2019, at 6:28 AM, Ric Stott wrote: >> >> There are a few parts I?d like to buy, like a ?Diamond Centerboard?, and a new stern rail with the curve out for the seats and walk thru space for the stem ladder. Also a mast prop for raising and lowering the mast. >> If I knew these parts were available and how much they cost, I could plan for them. >> Ric >> Sv Dadventure >> Hampton Bays >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 29, 2019, at 12:34 AM, Shawn Boles wrote: >>> >>> Stan: >>> >>> As I've said before , a web-based parts department for GB would be >>> relatively easy income for you and a blessing for the rest of us. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Shawn >>> >>> s/v Sweet Baboo >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Sun, Apr 28, 2019, 7:25 PM Goodness wrote: >>>> >>>> Stan!!! We love you but..... Start a website and sell parts! You >>>> will make $$$$$ Use fatcow as a webhost. Its cheap and works! >>>> Good luck!! >>>> ???????? >>>> >>>>> On Apr 28, 2019, at 9:05 PM, C Gabriel <4cgabriel at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Mike thanks very much for the quick updates!!! Charles and I are >>>>> trying >>>> to >>>>> help Stan solve his postings problem. Stan has been replying to >>>>> many of >>>> the >>>>> posters over the last months but it's not coming through; he has an >>>>> important message about the bushings [and is alive and well]. >>>> From cknell at vt.edu Mon Apr 29 18:16:24 2019 From: cknell at vt.edu (Chris on LBI) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 15:16:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] the Chris spreader shims affair In-Reply-To: <73cf2683-d165-a6a0-76f9-d909c5c10228@rhodes22.com> References: <73cf2683-d165-a6a0-76f9-d909c5c10228@rhodes22.com> Message-ID: <1556576184602-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Hi Stan, Thank you for the shims. That is great news about the parts division. I believe the rare disease you refer to was probably caused by lack of proper maintenance. When I purchased the boat on the second-hand market, the bolt holding the spreader sockets was very loose as were all nine of the shrouds/stays; the shims were not present. As an indication of how long this condition had existed, the threads on the bolt were completely worn away for about 1/4 of an inch at the point where the (loose) bolt passes through the mast near the end secured by the nut. My guess is that the loose shrouds led to a loosening of the nut and that subsequent motion of the spreader socket wore the shims to the point where they abandoned ship. As I write this, I realize that I probably should replace the bolt as well; is it stainless steel? Thanks, Chris on LBI ----- Long Beach Island -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From 4cgabriel at gmail.com Mon Apr 29 20:23:29 2019 From: 4cgabriel at gmail.com (C Gabriel) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 20:23:29 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] the Chris spreader shims affair In-Reply-To: <1556576184602-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <73cf2683-d165-a6a0-76f9-d909c5c10228@rhodes22.com> <1556576184602-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Chris I've sent you a reply from my email. Cecilia On Mon, Apr 29, 2019, 6:16 PM Chris on LBI wrote: > Hi Stan, > > Thank you for the shims. That is great news about the parts division. > > I believe the rare disease you refer to was probably caused by lack of > proper maintenance. When I purchased the boat on the second-hand market, > the > bolt holding the spreader sockets was very loose as were all nine of the > shrouds/stays; the shims were not present. As an indication of how long > this > condition had existed, the threads on the bolt were completely worn away > for > about 1/4 of an inch at the point where the (loose) bolt passes through the > mast near the end secured by the nut. My guess is that the loose shrouds > led > to a loosening of the nut and that subsequent motion of the spreader socket > wore the shims to the point where they abandoned ship. > > As I write this, I realize that I probably should replace the bolt as well; > is it stainless steel? > > Thanks, > Chris on LBI > > > > > ----- > Long Beach Island > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From joedempsey at hughes.net Tue Apr 30 15:21:42 2019 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (JP Dempsey) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 12:21:42 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Delay Test 1 8:16pm Sun In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1556652102053-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Stan posted on my thread "Floor Board Removal..." on 4/15 but has not replied to my emails. Tell him I want to buy a centerboard gasket. What information does he need? ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Marshall,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From stan at generalboats.com Tue Apr 30 16:56:12 2019 From: stan at generalboats.com (stan) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 16:56:12 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Delay Test 1 8:16pm Sun In-Reply-To: <1556652102053-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1556652102053-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <7e176d08-34e0-f366-b381-a4367cd3a558@generalboats.com> Got this one. Do you have a diamondboard style cb trunk and cap? Are you going to need all 50 machine screws, their 100 fender washers and the 50 lock nuts? Are you going to need me?? If not, you just saved $1.98 stan On 4/30/19 3:21 PM, JP Dempsey wrote: > Stan posted on my thread "Floor Board Removal..." on 4/15 but has not replied > to my emails. Tell him I want to buy a centerboard gasket. What information > does he need? > > > > ----- > JP Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Marshall,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Tue Apr 30 18:39:40 2019 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 15:39:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Here;s the rest of "selling Selling SELLING" In-Reply-To: <1285325509.338260.1540324183671@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1285325509.338260.1540324183671@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1556663980810-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Still for sale? -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From ric at stottarchitecture.com Tue Apr 30 19:03:07 2019 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 19:03:07 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Delay Test 1 8:16pm Sun In-Reply-To: <7e176d08-34e0-f366-b381-a4367cd3a558@generalboats.com> References: <1556652102053-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <7e176d08-34e0-f366-b381-a4367cd3a558@generalboats.com> Message-ID: <53166498-FC1B-4163-843D-F4D93E8464A7@stottarchitecture.com> I don?t know if I have a diamond board CB trunk. It?s a 1984 Continental model Here re a few pics, some for the story, some for the eyes. If I can?t replace it, can I get rid of the locks and just go straight with a single line? Also interested in a new stern rail. I get on the boat from the shallows - up the stern ladder. I can climb over the rail, my wife and guests can?t Love my boat Stan Ric Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP www.stottarchitecture.com Office 631-283-1777 Cell 516-965-3164 > On Apr 30, 2019, at 4:56 PM, stan wrote: > > > Got this one. > > Do you have a diamondboard style cb trunk and cap? > > Are you going to need all 50 machine screws, their 100 fender washers and the 50 lock nuts? > > Are you going to need me? If not, you just saved $1.98 > > stan > > On 4/30/19 3:21 PM, JP Dempsey wrote: >> Stan posted on my thread "Floor Board Removal..." on 4/15 but has not replied >> to my emails. Tell him I want to buy a centerboard gasket. What information >> does he need? >> >> >> >> ----- >> JP Dempsey >> s/v Respite >> Rhodes 22 1989/2005 >> Marshall,VA >> -- >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >> >> >