From Colealexander at hotmail.com Thu Aug 1 19:24:00 2019 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 16:24:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] boom hitting back stays In-Reply-To: <1564370218455-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1564370218455-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1564701840442-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I forgot my tape measure Wednesday, but by eyeball the space between the pop top and gooseneck slides look similar. The mast looks fairly straight, but hanging a plumb bob from the lift when the boat is trim so the boot stripe is even might help confirm that. On my boat the boom lift is left tied to the stainless eyestrap. I never disconnect it, it does chafe the mainsail on the run down from the masthead at times, if run to the block in the port deckhouse and aft to the cockpit cleat. If cruising I might use the mast cleat like I would with the pop top tent. For day sailing I tack so often I doubt it will damage the sail, and I often adjust boom height for weather and passengers. Eliminating the shackle and using the bent strap for the lift might gain half an inch. I have about a fist clearance between my boom and the backstays. One obvious question, have you checked the length of your boom extrusion? At full extension there is about a fist of outhaul at the clew on my boat. Good luck with this frustrating problem. If nobody beats me I?ll measure the Lark next time. Regarding tension, I don?t think you will flex the hull much like you might on other designs of this vintage, but you cannot ask the rig to perform like a high performance racing machine either. I doubt mine is 200 pounds, but never checked. Maybe it is??. I tighten as much as I can and retighten after a couple sails in stiff wind. I tighten the backstay line every couple weeks, especially before going out in wind. Alex ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From shawn.sustain at gmail.com Thu Aug 1 20:10:48 2019 From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 17:10:48 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] boom hitting back stays In-Reply-To: <1564701840442-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1564370218455-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1564701840442-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi: If the boom clears the back stays, then hardware similar to that in this photo may help. Sweet Baboo's boom clearance from back stays across the arc is 1.5 to 2 in). Cheers, Shawn s/v Sweet Baboo On Thu, Aug 1, 2019, 4:23 PM S/V Lark wrote: > I forgot my tape measure Wednesday, but by eyeball the space between the > pop > top and gooseneck slides look similar. The mast looks fairly straight, > but hanging a plumb bob from the lift when the boat is trim so the boot > stripe is even might help confirm that. On my boat the boom lift is left > tied to the stainless eyestrap. I never disconnect it, it does chafe the > mainsail on the run down from the masthead at times, if run to the block in > the port deckhouse and aft to the cockpit cleat. If cruising I might use > the mast cleat like I would with the pop top tent. For day sailing I tack > so often I doubt it will damage the sail, and I often adjust boom height > for > weather and passengers. Eliminating the shackle and using the bent strap > for the lift might gain half an inch. I have about a fist clearance > between my boom and the backstays. One obvious question, have you checked > the length of your boom extrusion? At full extension there is about a > fist > of outhaul at the clew on my boat. > > Good luck with this frustrating problem. If nobody beats me I?ll measure > the Lark next time. > > Regarding tension, I don?t think you will flex the hull much like you might > on other designs of this vintage, but you cannot ask the rig to perform > like > a high performance racing machine either. I doubt mine is 200 pounds, > but > never checked. Maybe it is??. I tighten as much as I can and retighten > after a couple sails in stiff wind. I tighten the backstay line every > couple weeks, especially before going out in wind. > > Alex > > > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20190731_194424.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3124071 bytes Desc: not available URL: From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com Fri Aug 2 07:43:59 2019 From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 07:43:59 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] boom hitting back stays In-Reply-To: References: <1564370218455-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1564701840442-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <8AD4F6E4-9087-4E6D-9DAA-85C667B2D995@gmail.com> Shawn, Your tangs are bent in the wrong direction lol. That would make airpower worse. We see lots of variation in these boats....keeps it interesting. LOL Yes i think we need to measure boom lengths since Ted says its always been an issue. Plus get a small shackle, 1/4 line and loose the carabiner. Bob (Palatka) > On Aug 1, 2019, at 8:10 PM, Shawn Boles wrote: > > Hi: > > If the boom clears the back stays, then hardware similar to that in this > photo may help. Sweet Baboo's boom clearance from back stays across the > arc is 1.5 to 2 in). > > > Cheers, > > Shawn > s/v Sweet Baboo > >> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019, 4:23 PM S/V Lark wrote: >> >> I forgot my tape measure Wednesday, but by eyeball the space between the >> pop >> top and gooseneck slides look similar. The mast looks fairly straight, >> but hanging a plumb bob from the lift when the boat is trim so the boot >> stripe is even might help confirm that. On my boat the boom lift is left >> tied to the stainless eyestrap. I never disconnect it, it does chafe the >> mainsail on the run down from the masthead at times, if run to the block in >> the port deckhouse and aft to the cockpit cleat. If cruising I might use >> the mast cleat like I would with the pop top tent. For day sailing I tack >> so often I doubt it will damage the sail, and I often adjust boom height >> for >> weather and passengers. Eliminating the shackle and using the bent strap >> for the lift might gain half an inch. I have about a fist clearance >> between my boom and the backstays. One obvious question, have you checked >> the length of your boom extrusion? At full extension there is about a >> fist >> of outhaul at the clew on my boat. >> >> Good luck with this frustrating problem. If nobody beats me I?ll measure >> the Lark next time. >> >> Regarding tension, I don?t think you will flex the hull much like you might >> on other designs of this vintage, but you cannot ask the rig to perform >> like >> a high performance racing machine either. I doubt mine is 200 pounds, >> but >> never checked. Maybe it is??. I tighten as much as I can and retighten >> after a couple sails in stiff wind. I tighten the backstay line every >> couple weeks, especially before going out in wind. >> >> Alex >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> Alex Cole >> S/V Lark >> -- >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 20190731_194424.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 3124071 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Fri Aug 2 08:38:04 2019 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 15:38:04 +0300 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Refurbished Rhodes In-Reply-To: References: <55a8fbb4-1b96-8733-6142-ffce320caf5a@generalboats.com> Message-ID: Yes Stan, I remember the visit. I loaded up with all sorts of goodies that time. We sort have a his or hers setup. When I am too much for Alice I end up in the dinghy........ on a long line. Works for her. Attached is last night?s anchorage. Just us and the goats. And as a Greek I can say they were fine looking goats. Looks like we will be on the West Coast visiting family, first time in 4 years. Maybe this spring? Chris & Alice ENOSIS Ithaca, Greece Ps just now Alice had me throw my sneakers into the dinghy, something about ? smelling like the bait tank st Sea World?. Just might need that other boat. Stupid phone won?t let me send the pic. I?ll send it in separate attachment following. On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 at 22:53, stan wrote: > > > I am still sorry that when you guys stopped by the plant (seems like a > > hundred years ago) enroute to OR, you could not stay. By Now you could > > have had his and her Rhodes and been sailing the Med with a little more > > space, or racing to see who touches Greece first. I know getting there > > for you is all the fund and being "home" will be the other 100% of the fun. > > > > On 7/30/19 4:56 PM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: > > > > Enjoy. After your episode with the trunk attack, you earned it. > > > > stan > > > Stan, > > > Take comfort in the fact that it is your authentic Rhodes and not some > > > ersatz Rhodes that has compleated another 1000 miles plus trip along the > > > coasts of Italy and Greece. Maybe not as catchy as ?I like Ike? but I?m > > > proud to be a ?Stan Fan? for the last 43 years. > > > > > > Chris Geankoplis > > > S/V ENOSIS > > > Meganisi Island, Ionia, Greece > > > > > > On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 at 19:53, stan wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> To all those considering a refurbished Rhodes22, we would like to point > > >> > > >> out again that the Rhodes value is, to a major degree, due to the fact > > >> > > >> that it remains a boat in production. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> In order to be fair to those who support General Boats efforts in > > >> > > >> keeping the Rhodes 22 a boat in production for its second 50 years, > > >> > > >> refurbished Rhodes purchased from an unauthorized source, will have a > > >> > > >> boat that is no longer recognized by General Boats, as a Rhodes built by > > >> > > >> General Boats and therefore such owners will not be able to turn to > > >> > > >> General Boats for any proprietary Rhodes parts or services. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> The business plan of such a rogue company is to cash in on all General > > >> > > >> Boats investments in innovating and promoting the Rhodes sailboat to > > >> > > >> maintain its historic longevity position as the leading trailing still > > >> > > >> in production sailboat. The rogue business plan is based on their being > > >> > > >> a hitch hiking company, not needing to contribute a single dollar to > > >> > > >> maintaining the high name recognition value of the Rhodes boats they > > >> > > >> seek to recycle. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> It is important Rhodes buyers understand that the purchase of a recycled > > >> > > >> Rhodes from a company like Voilier is akin to shooting ones self in the > > >> > > >> foot. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> stan > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > From joedempsey at hughes.net Fri Aug 2 10:56:54 2019 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (JP Dempsey) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 07:56:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] boom hitting back stays In-Reply-To: <53E22028-AECF-48D5-8849-33C8946B7C45@me.com> References: <2F2E435D-CD4E-4D5C-87CA-B3665A0FC9D3@cowieassociates.com> <1564454990617-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <53E22028-AECF-48D5-8849-33C8946B7C45@me.com> Message-ID: <1564757814317-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I agree with Roger, based on the first photo in this group, your boom appears to be at least 6 inches too high. Is there an extra hole in the mast for the boom gooseneck car to snap into? I think there shoul only be two positions. If there is not another hole for an upper position, I'd consider adding one lower but above the raised pop top level. Joe Dempsey S/V Respite Deltaville, VA ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Marshall,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From dedallas at mac.com Fri Aug 2 12:49:31 2019 From: dedallas at mac.com (dedallas) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 09:49:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello! Looking for a winter cover, preferably mast up. Message-ID: <1564764571141-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Hello Rhodes 22 list! I hope all are well. My name is Dave Dallas. I've had a Rhodes 22 for about a dozen years. I'm in Western Canada, Calgary AB based. I had posted years ago on the old forum. I haven't had a chance to sail for the last few years; got water on the inside of the boat (through the cockpit table fitting I believe) a few years ago over winter and between work, and working on the boat, and a couple of not great summers, I'm just ready now. Likely 'dry sail' a couple of times before fall with the intention of launching next spring! I'm looking to buy a winter cover, preferably mast up. I remember there was a fellow on the list years ago who was looking into making these? Due to my experience and our short season up here I think it's worth the investment. If any of you have any leads or information as to where I can purchase one I'd appreciate it. Hope you all are enjoying the sailing season. Take care, Dave -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From shawn.sustain at gmail.com Fri Aug 2 13:13:16 2019 From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 10:13:16 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] boom hitting back stays In-Reply-To: <8AD4F6E4-9087-4E6D-9DAA-85C667B2D995@gmail.com> References: <1564370218455-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1564701840442-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <8AD4F6E4-9087-4E6D-9DAA-85C667B2D995@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi - hmmm. Tangs are as they came from GB. Shawn s/v Sweet Baboo On Fri, Aug 2, 2019, 4:44 AM Goodness wrote: > Shawn, Your tangs are bent in the wrong direction lol. That would make > airpower worse. We see lots of variation in these boats....keeps it > interesting. LOL > Yes i think we need to measure boom lengths since Ted says its always been > an issue. Plus get a small shackle, 1/4 line and loose the carabiner. > > Bob (Palatka) > > > On Aug 1, 2019, at 8:10 PM, Shawn Boles wrote: > > > > Hi: > > > > If the boom clears the back stays, then hardware similar to that in this > > photo may help. Sweet Baboo's boom clearance from back stays across the > > arc is 1.5 to 2 in). > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Shawn > > s/v Sweet Baboo > > > >> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019, 4:23 PM S/V Lark > wrote: > >> > >> I forgot my tape measure Wednesday, but by eyeball the space between the > >> pop > >> top and gooseneck slides look similar. The mast looks fairly > straight, > >> but hanging a plumb bob from the lift when the boat is trim so the boot > >> stripe is even might help confirm that. On my boat the boom lift is > left > >> tied to the stainless eyestrap. I never disconnect it, it does chafe > the > >> mainsail on the run down from the masthead at times, if run to the > block in > >> the port deckhouse and aft to the cockpit cleat. If cruising I might > use > >> the mast cleat like I would with the pop top tent. For day sailing I > tack > >> so often I doubt it will damage the sail, and I often adjust boom height > >> for > >> weather and passengers. Eliminating the shackle and using the bent > strap > >> for the lift might gain half an inch. I have about a fist clearance > >> between my boom and the backstays. One obvious question, have you > checked > >> the length of your boom extrusion? At full extension there is about a > >> fist > >> of outhaul at the clew on my boat. > >> > >> Good luck with this frustrating problem. If nobody beats me I?ll > measure > >> the Lark next time. > >> > >> Regarding tension, I don?t think you will flex the hull much like you > might > >> on other designs of this vintage, but you cannot ask the rig to perform > >> like > >> a high performance racing machine either. I doubt mine is 200 pounds, > >> but > >> never checked. Maybe it is??. I tighten as much as I can and > retighten > >> after a couple sails in stiff wind. I tighten the backstay line every > >> couple weeks, especially before going out in wind. > >> > >> Alex > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- > >> Alex Cole > >> S/V Lark > >> -- > >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > >> > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: 20190731_194424.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 3124071 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190801/69bfa52d/attachment.jpg > > > From jose.faraldo at gmail.com Sat Aug 3 17:31:05 2019 From: jose.faraldo at gmail.com (Jose Faraldo-Gomez) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 17:31:05 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello! Looking for a winter cover, preferably mast up. In-Reply-To: <1564764571141-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1564764571141-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <06DFC08A-678D-4CFC-B288-9713C5C07DE3@gmail.com> Hi Dave, I got a 3-piece mast-up cover a couple of years ago from The Canvas Store, in upstate NY. Someone on the list had recommended this shop. I found them to be utterly incompetent and unresponsive. Having provided them with all kinds of measurements and photos (and advanced payment), the cover they sent me after several months would not fit the boat (shrouds, stanchions, etc) even approximately. All 3 pieces were way off. I returned the cover, and weeks later they sent a patched up version that was still a poor fit but that could be installed. I decided to keep it as I couldn?t afford spending more time on this back and forth - but I wish I had had the cover made elsewhere. Unfortunately I don?t know of any alternatives. Perhaps someone else in the list does. Best regards Jose > On Aug 2, 2019, at 12:49 PM, dedallas via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > Hello Rhodes 22 list! I hope all are well. My name is Dave Dallas. I've > had a Rhodes 22 for about a dozen years. I'm in Western Canada, Calgary AB > based. I had posted years ago on the old forum. I haven't had a chance to > sail for the last few years; got water on the inside of the boat (through > the cockpit table fitting I believe) a few years ago over winter and between > work, and working on the boat, and a couple of not great summers, I'm just > ready now. Likely 'dry sail' a couple of times before fall with the > intention of launching next spring! I'm looking to buy a winter cover, > preferably mast up. I remember there was a fellow on the list years ago who > was looking into making these? Due to my experience and our short season up > here I think it's worth the investment. If any of you have any leads or > information as to where I can purchase one I'd appreciate it. Hope you all > are enjoying the sailing season. > > Take care, > > Dave > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From dedallas at mac.com Sun Aug 4 10:48:09 2019 From: dedallas at mac.com (dedallas) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2019 07:48:09 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello! Looking for a winter cover, preferably mast up. In-Reply-To: <06DFC08A-678D-4CFC-B288-9713C5C07DE3@gmail.com> References: <1564764571141-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <06DFC08A-678D-4CFC-B288-9713C5C07DE3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1564930089005-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Thanks for the warning Bruce and Jose, I guess the canvas store is out. I'll keep looking, and if anyone has any other leads I'd appreciate it. Take care, Dave Dallas -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Sun Aug 4 22:54:20 2019 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2019 19:54:20 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] boom hitting back stays In-Reply-To: <29aeec73-7579-711d-0b97-94811ab6dee5@atlanticbb.net> References: <2F2E435D-CD4E-4D5C-87CA-B3665A0FC9D3@cowieassociates.com> <1564454990617-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1564537249517-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <29aeec73-7579-711d-0b97-94811ab6dee5@atlanticbb.net> Message-ID: <1564973660686-0.post@n5.nabble.com> A few updates: - My boom extends 123" from the mast - this is in response to some of the questions. - Lowering the boom car so that it rests directly on top of the pop top cover solved the issue of the boom hitting the backstays. Previously, there was ~1" between the boom car and the pop top car. I think I will drill another hole in the mast so that the boom pin can be in the mast at this height as well. Right now it's all resting on the pop top cover pin. - I plan to adjust how the topping lift attaches to the boom based on feedback from the group. - Since the consensus is that it's fine to leave the topping lift on and just let it slack when needed, I tied on a couple of blocks and then ran the topping lift through an unused cleat on the port side at the front of the cockpit. Then I can adjust the topping lift without having to go forward and tie a cleat hitch on the horn cleat. The new setup is convenient. - I riveted on a eye strap to the boom in preparation for adding a vang. I'd like the option to use that to help keep the boom down. I know there's been a lot of discussion about that in the past so I'll be mining the archives for details. A few photos are attached. It is a relief to have this issue resolved. Thanks for the input! -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Sun Aug 4 22:55:45 2019 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2019 19:55:45 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] boom hitting back stays In-Reply-To: <1564973660686-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1564454990617-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1564537249517-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <29aeec73-7579-711d-0b97-94811ab6dee5@atlanticbb.net> <1564973660686-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1564973745097-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Correction: the boom extends 123.5" from the mast. -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com Mon Aug 5 05:53:11 2019 From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 02:53:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Damaged Fiberglass where Swivel Captains Seat Inserts In-Reply-To: <1561910588579-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1561577144987-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1561910588579-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1564998791389-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I did in fact buy the boat. I crawled into the laz and looked at how the captains seat mounting plate was attached. They are through bolted, but the backing is wood. Photos attached. My boat is at he shop having this repaired as well as a few other minor things. George ACE8731E-A106-422C-AC43-37FD37683C1A.jpeg -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com Mon Aug 5 09:07:39 2019 From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 09:07:39 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] boom hitting back stays In-Reply-To: <1564973745097-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1564454990617-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1564537249517-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <29aeec73-7579-711d-0b97-94811ab6dee5@atlanticbb.net> <1564973660686-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1564973745097-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Awesome Jesse! You are off to an excellent start. Enjoy the new boat! > On Aug 4, 2019, at 10:55 PM, Jesse Shumaker wrote: > > Correction: the boom extends 123.5" from the mast. > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From talmorin at hotmail.com Mon Aug 5 09:42:03 2019 From: talmorin at hotmail.com (Thomas s) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 13:42:03 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello! Looking for a winter cover, preferably mast up. In-Reply-To: <06DFC08A-678D-4CFC-B288-9713C5C07DE3@gmail.com> References: <1564764571141-0.post@n5.nabble.com>, <06DFC08A-678D-4CFC-B288-9713C5C07DE3@gmail.com> Message-ID: Dave, I recently got a 2 piece cover from "The Sailors' Tailor" near Dayton, OH. https://www.sailorstailor.com/ Lots of measurements and photos, as well as a few followup conversations, but if fits well. I did send it back once, but that was to have them change how I could get to the bow cleat since I keep mine at a slip on the water. They are not cheap, but the material they use for the cover is very heavy duty and appears that it will last a long time. I have (hopefully) included a pic of it on my Rhodes. The Sailors' Tailor, Inc... 200+ One Design boat covers since 1972. The Sailors' Tailor, Inc... manufacturing and stocking over 200 One Design Sailboat covers and accessories since 1972. www.sailorstailor.com Tom S/V Just Bent ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Jose Faraldo-Gomez Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2019 4:31 PM To: dedallas ; The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hello! Looking for a winter cover, preferably mast up. Hi Dave, I got a 3-piece mast-up cover a couple of years ago from The Canvas Store, in upstate NY. Someone on the list had recommended this shop. I found them to be utterly incompetent and unresponsive. Having provided them with all kinds of measurements and photos (and advanced payment), the cover they sent me after several months would not fit the boat (shrouds, stanchions, etc) even approximately. All 3 pieces were way off. I returned the cover, and weeks later they sent a patched up version that was still a poor fit but that could be installed. I decided to keep it as I couldn?t afford spending more time on this back and forth - but I wish I had had the cover made elsewhere. Unfortunately I don?t know of any alternatives. Perhaps someone else in the list does. Best regards Jose > On Aug 2, 2019, at 12:49 PM, dedallas via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > Hello Rhodes 22 list! I hope all are well. My name is Dave Dallas. I've > had a Rhodes 22 for about a dozen years. I'm in Western Canada, Calgary AB > based. I had posted years ago on the old forum. I haven't had a chance to > sail for the last few years; got water on the inside of the boat (through > the cockpit table fitting I believe) a few years ago over winter and between > work, and working on the boat, and a couple of not great summers, I'm just > ready now. Likely 'dry sail' a couple of times before fall with the > intention of launching next spring! I'm looking to buy a winter cover, > preferably mast up. I remember there was a fellow on the list years ago who > was looking into making these? Due to my experience and our short season up > here I think it's worth the investment. If any of you have any leads or > information as to where I can purchase one I'd appreciate it. Hope you all > are enjoying the sailing season. > > Take care, > > Dave > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Rhodes cover.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 119068 bytes Desc: Rhodes cover.jpg URL: From ccowie at cowieassociates.com Mon Aug 5 10:56:04 2019 From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 14:56:04 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello! Looking for a winter cover, preferably mast up. In-Reply-To: <06DFC08A-678D-4CFC-B288-9713C5C07DE3@gmail.com> References: <1564764571141-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <06DFC08A-678D-4CFC-B288-9713C5C07DE3@gmail.com> Message-ID: Dave: I have a lightly used boat cover. Send me an email if you are interested and I can get you more information. Christopher P. Cowie? ?? 700 N Fairfax Street Suite 304 Alexandria, Virginia 22314 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] Please consider the environment before printing this email. -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Jose Faraldo-Gomez Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2019 5:31 PM To: dedallas ; The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hello! Looking for a winter cover, preferably mast up. Hi Dave, I got a 3-piece mast-up cover a couple of years ago from The Canvas Store, in upstate NY. Someone on the list had recommended this shop. I found them to be utterly incompetent and unresponsive. Having provided them with all kinds of measurements and photos (and advanced payment), the cover they sent me after several months would not fit the boat (shrouds, stanchions, etc) even approximately. All 3 pieces were way off. I returned the cover, and weeks later they sent a patched up version that was still a poor fit but that could be installed. I decided to keep it as I couldn?t afford spending more time on this back and forth - but I wish I had had the cover made elsewhere. Unfortunately I don?t know of any alternatives. Perhaps someone else in the list does. Best regards Jose > On Aug 2, 2019, at 12:49 PM, dedallas via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > Hello Rhodes 22 list! I hope all are well. My name is Dave Dallas. > I've had a Rhodes 22 for about a dozen years. I'm in Western Canada, > Calgary AB based. I had posted years ago on the old forum. I haven't > had a chance to sail for the last few years; got water on the inside > of the boat (through the cockpit table fitting I believe) a few years > ago over winter and between work, and working on the boat, and a > couple of not great summers, I'm just ready now. Likely 'dry sail' a > couple of times before fall with the intention of launching next > spring! I'm looking to buy a winter cover, preferably mast up. I > remember there was a fellow on the list years ago who was looking into > making these? Due to my experience and our short season up here I > think it's worth the investment. If any of you have any leads or > information as to where I can purchase one I'd appreciate it. Hope you all are enjoying the sailing season. > > Take care, > > Dave > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From dedallas at mac.com Mon Aug 5 10:58:16 2019 From: dedallas at mac.com (dedallas) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 07:58:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello! Looking for a winter cover, preferably mast up. In-Reply-To: References: <1564764571141-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <06DFC08A-678D-4CFC-B288-9713C5C07DE3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1565017096256-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Thanks for the link Tom; the pic came through, it looks like they did a great job. I'll give them a call. Looks like there's nothing 'standard' (which kind of makes sense) and there will be a lot of back and forth. Thanks again! Dave Dallas -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From peter at sunnybeeches.com Mon Aug 5 15:15:46 2019 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 15:15:46 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] boom hitting back stays In-Reply-To: <1564973660686-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <2F2E435D-CD4E-4D5C-87CA-B3665A0FC9D3@cowieassociates.com> <1564454990617-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1564537249517-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <29aeec73-7579-711d-0b97-94811ab6dee5@atlanticbb.net> <1564973660686-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5511E806-88AF-4B12-941F-BB6991251D1F@sunnybeeches.com> From the end cap on the aft end of my boom (i.e. ignoring the tangs), to the mast is 120.5?. Just the aluminum extrusion (ignoring the gooseneck hardware and the end cap) is 117 1/16?. This is an IMF rig. I can?t recall if yours is or not. Peter Sent from my iPad > On Aug 4, 2019, at 10:54 PM, Jesse Shumaker wrote: > > A few updates: > - My boom extends 123" from the mast - this is in response to some of the > questions. > - Lowering the boom car so that it rests directly on top of the pop top > cover solved the issue of the boom hitting the backstays. Previously, there > was ~1" between the boom car and the pop top car. I think I will drill > another hole in the mast so that the boom pin can be in the mast at this > height as well. Right now it's all resting on the pop top cover pin. > - I plan to adjust how the topping lift attaches to the boom based on > feedback from the group. > - Since the consensus is that it's fine to leave the topping lift on and > just let it slack when needed, I tied on a couple of blocks and then ran the > topping lift through an unused cleat on the port side at the front of the > cockpit. Then I can adjust the topping lift without having to go forward > and tie a cleat hitch on the horn cleat. The new setup is convenient. > - I riveted on a eye strap to the boom in preparation for adding a vang. > I'd like the option to use that to help keep the boom down. I know there's > been a lot of discussion about that in the past so I'll be mining the > archives for details. > > A few photos are attached. It is a relief to have this issue resolved. > Thanks for the input! > > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From ccowie at cowieassociates.com Mon Aug 5 15:23:35 2019 From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 19:23:35 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] boom hitting back stays In-Reply-To: <5511E806-88AF-4B12-941F-BB6991251D1F@sunnybeeches.com> References: <2F2E435D-CD4E-4D5C-87CA-B3665A0FC9D3@cowieassociates.com> <1564454990617-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1564537249517-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <29aeec73-7579-711d-0b97-94811ab6dee5@atlanticbb.net> <1564973660686-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <5511E806-88AF-4B12-941F-BB6991251D1F@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: The standard mast and boom was provided by Dwyer, the standard Dwyer mast has two pin positions from the bottom of the mast center of pin 8" and 2'-4 3/8", the standard Dwyer boom is 9'-9" long from the front to the back of the boom not including the boom to mast hardware or the outhaul cap. Christopher P. Cowie? ?? 700 N Fairfax Street Suite 304 Alexandria, Virginia 22314 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] Please consider the environment before printing this email. -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg Sent: Monday, August 05, 2019 3:16 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] boom hitting back stays From the end cap on the aft end of my boom (i.e. ignoring the tangs), to the mast is 120.5?. Just the aluminum extrusion (ignoring the gooseneck hardware and the end cap) is 117 1/16?. This is an IMF rig. I can?t recall if yours is or not. Peter Sent from my iPad > On Aug 4, 2019, at 10:54 PM, Jesse Shumaker wrote: > > A few updates: > - My boom extends 123" from the mast - this is in response to some of > the questions. > - Lowering the boom car so that it rests directly on top of the pop > top cover solved the issue of the boom hitting the backstays. > Previously, there was ~1" between the boom car and the pop top car. I > think I will drill another hole in the mast so that the boom pin can > be in the mast at this height as well. Right now it's all resting on the pop top cover pin. > - I plan to adjust how the topping lift attaches to the boom based on > feedback from the group. > - Since the consensus is that it's fine to leave the topping lift on > and just let it slack when needed, I tied on a couple of blocks and > then ran the topping lift through an unused cleat on the port side at > the front of the cockpit. Then I can adjust the topping lift without > having to go forward and tie a cleat hitch on the horn cleat. The new setup is convenient. > - I riveted on a eye strap to the boom in preparation for adding a vang. > I'd like the option to use that to help keep the boom down. I know > there's been a lot of discussion about that in the past so I'll be > mining the archives for details. > > A few photos are attached. It is a relief to have this issue resolved. > Thanks for the input! > > .jpg> > pit.jpg> > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com Mon Aug 5 15:48:39 2019 From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com (luis.guzman.ve) Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2019 15:48:39 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] boom hitting back stays In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5d48881b.1c69fb81.630b5.f2e6@mx.google.com> How long is the standard boom from the mast to the end including all hardware?Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message --------From: Chris Cowie Date: 8/5/19 3:23 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] boom hitting back stays The standard mast and boom was provided by Dwyer, the standard Dwyer mast has two pin positions from the bottom of the mast center of pin 8" and 2'-4 3/8", the standard Dwyer boom is 9'-9" long from the front to the back of the boom not including the boom to mast hardware or the outhaul cap.Christopher P. Cowie? ??700 N Fairfax StreetSuite 304Alexandria, Virginia 22314703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile[ccowie at cowieassociates.com]Please consider the environment before printing this email.-----Original Message-----From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Peter NybergSent: Monday, August 05, 2019 3:16 PMTo: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] boom hitting back staysFrom the end cap on the aft end of my boom (i.e. ignoring the tangs), to the mast is 120.5?.? Just the aluminum extrusion (ignoring the gooseneck hardware and the end cap) is 117 1/16?.This is an IMF rig.? I can?t recall if yours is or not.PeterSent from my iPad> On Aug 4, 2019, at 10:54 PM, Jesse Shumaker wrote:> > A few updates:> - My boom extends 123" from the mast - this is in response to some of > the questions.> - Lowering the boom car so that it rests directly on top of the pop > top cover solved the issue of the boom hitting the backstays.? > Previously, there was ~1" between the boom car and the pop top car.? I > think I will drill another hole in the mast so that the boom pin can > be in the mast at this height as well.? Right now it's all resting on the pop top cover pin.> - I plan to adjust how the topping lift attaches to the boom based on > feedback from the group.> - Since the consensus is that it's fine to leave the topping lift on > and just let it slack when needed, I tied on a couple of blocks and > then ran the topping lift through an unused cleat on the port side at > the front of the cockpit.? Then I can adjust the topping lift without > having to go forward and tie a cleat hitch on the horn cleat.? The new setup is convenient.> - I riveted on a eye strap to the boom in preparation for adding a vang. > I'd like the option to use that to help keep the boom down.? I know > there's been a lot of discussion about that in the past so I'll be > mining the archives for details.> > A few photos are attached.? It is a relief to have this issue resolved. > Thanks for the input!> > .jpg> > pit.jpg>> > > > --> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Tue Aug 6 20:35:06 2019 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 17:35:06 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] adjusting forestay tension with GB jib furler Message-ID: <1565138106458-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I believe I have the standard GB jib furler. How could I go about adjusting forestay tension with the setup shown in the attached photos? Or is that fixed and simply controlled by the angle of the mast as a result of the backstay tension? Or perhaps an adjustment where the forestay connects to the mast? Thanks! -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From shawn.sustain at gmail.com Tue Aug 6 21:25:54 2019 From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 18:25:54 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] adjusting forestay tension with GB jib furler In-Reply-To: <1565138106458-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1565138106458-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi - I rely on the backstay tensioner. Cheers, Shawn s/v Sweet Baboo On Tue, Aug 6, 2019, 5:33 PM Jesse Shumaker wrote: > I believe I have the standard GB jib furler. How could I go about > adjusting > forestay tension with the setup shown in the attached photos? Or is that > fixed and simply controlled by the angle of the mast as a result of the > backstay tension? Or perhaps an adjustment where the forestay connects to > the mast? > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Tue Aug 6 21:24:52 2019 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 01:24:52 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] adjusting forestay tension with GB jib furler In-Reply-To: References: <1565138106458-0.post@n5.nabble.com>, Message-ID: Jessie, You use the backstay adjuster to set the tension in the forestay. When trying to point to windward, you tighten the backstay until there is minimal sag in the forestay. When sailing downwind, you want some forestay sag ( think parachute! ). So, you let off on the backstay adjuster. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilbrium Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 6, 2019, at 8:16 PM, Shawn Boles wrote: > > Hi - > > I rely on the backstay tensioner. > > Cheers, > > Shawn > > s/v Sweet Baboo > > On Tue, Aug 6, 2019, 5:33 PM Jesse Shumaker > wrote: > >> I believe I have the standard GB jib furler. How could I go about >> adjusting >> forestay tension with the setup shown in the attached photos? Or is that >> fixed and simply controlled by the angle of the mast as a result of the >> backstay tension? Or perhaps an adjustment where the forestay connects to >> the mast? >> >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >> From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com Wed Aug 7 21:08:33 2019 From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 18:08:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Lift Cutout Circuit In-Reply-To: <1564534550508-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1564199770230-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1564509356901-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1564534550508-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1565226513256-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Thanks Joe...I?ve finally got some time tomorrow to go check out my mast lights. George -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Wed Aug 7 22:07:25 2019 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 19:07:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] adjusting forestay tension with GB jib furler In-Reply-To: References: <1565138106458-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1565230045358-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Thanks for the explanation. That make sense and I will use that technique. -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Wed Aug 7 22:22:57 2019 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 19:22:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] boom hitting back stays In-Reply-To: References: <1564454990617-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1564537249517-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <29aeec73-7579-711d-0b97-94811ab6dee5@atlanticbb.net> <1564973660686-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <5511E806-88AF-4B12-941F-BB6991251D1F@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <1565230977216-0.post@n5.nabble.com> It appears that my boom is a little over 6" longer than standard. As far as I know it came from the factory that way. As you can see from the attached photos, there is excess distance between the end of the main and the end of the boom. The Doyle sail was a replacement, but cut for a Rhodes 22. I suppose some day if I was getting ambitious I could shorten the boom. However, since lowering the boom a bit seems to solve the issue then I'll probably just leave it as is. After some feedback earlier in this thread, I've swapped out the carabiner on the end of the topping lift for a shackle that connects directly to the top of the end of the boom. I moved the other tang down so the snap shackle for the main sheet connects to both tangs. -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Wed Aug 7 22:32:24 2019 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 19:32:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] tiller extension that led to a crack in the fiberglass tiller Message-ID: <1565231544819-0.post@n5.nabble.com> My boat has a fiberglass tiller. There is a Forespar tiller extension that has stripped out of the tiller. There is also a small crack in the tiller that originates from the tiller extension. I'm considering putting in a different tiller extension that may have a more secure installation. If the new extension uses a larger hole then I may drill out the existing hole. Or I could epoxy the existing hole and drill a new hole. I'm concerned about the crack growing. I had considered putting something for extra support around the tiller extension, such as some strong tape or a hose clamp. The hose clamp would be strong but it would have a screw which could catch on things. I think the tiller extension would be really helpful to be able to hike out when things get lively. I would really prefer to keep the existing tiller as long as possible. Any suggestions before I proceed with repairs? -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From ccowie at cowieassociates.com Thu Aug 8 06:22:01 2019 From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2019 10:22:01 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] boom hitting back stays In-Reply-To: <1565230977216-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1564454990617-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1564537249517-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <29aeec73-7579-711d-0b97-94811ab6dee5@atlanticbb.net> <1564973660686-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <5511E806-88AF-4B12-941F-BB6991251D1F@sunnybeeches.com> , <1565230977216-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Yes your boom is longer than The original standard Dwyer boom. Please note our new office address and phone number Christopher P. Cowie [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] 700 N Fairfax Street Suite 304 Alexandria, Virginia 22314 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] [cid:image001.jpg at 01D24014.7A2D04E0] Please consider the environment before printing this email. On Aug 7, 2019, at 10:21 PM, Jesse Shumaker > wrote: It appears that my boom is a little over 6" longer than standard. As far as I know it came from the factory that way. As you can see from the attached photos, there is excess distance between the end of the main and the end of the boom. The Doyle sail was a replacement, but cut for a Rhodes 22. I suppose some day if I was getting ambitious I could shorten the boom. However, since lowering the boom a bit seems to solve the issue then I'll probably just leave it as is. After some feedback earlier in this thread, I've swapped out the carabiner on the end of the topping lift for a shackle that connects directly to the top of the end of the boom. I moved the other tang down so the snap shackle for the main sheet connects to both tangs. -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From mweisner at ebsmed.com Thu Aug 8 12:24:31 2019 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (mweisner at ebsmed.com) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2019 12:24:31 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] tiller extension that led to a crack in the fiberglass tiller In-Reply-To: <1565231544819-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1565231544819-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <002601d54e05$c2bbd3b0$48337b10$@ebsmed.com> Jesse, The fiberglass tillers were introduced within the last few years. I would ask Stan if the warranty is still in effect as long as the crack is due to a manufacturing defect. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Jesse Shumaker Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 10:32 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] tiller extension that led to a crack in the fiberglass tiller My boat has a fiberglass tiller. There is a Forespar tiller extension that has stripped out of the tiller. There is also a small crack in the tiller that originates from the tiller extension. I'm considering putting in a different tiller extension that may have a more secure installation. If the new extension uses a larger hole then I may drill out the existing hole. Or I could epoxy the existing hole and drill a new hole. I'm concerned about the crack growing. I had considered putting something for extra support around the tiller extension, such as some strong tape or a hose clamp. The hose clamp would be strong but it would have a screw which could catch on things. I think the tiller extension would be really helpful to be able to hike out when things get lively. I would really prefer to keep the existing tiller as long as possible. Any suggestions before I proceed with repairs? -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From wjf at me.com Sun Aug 11 10:14:29 2019 From: wjf at me.com (William Fuller) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 10:14:29 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Out haul car setup Message-ID: <1F6BBBE1-B65A-4B2F-816E-1CC6B10CAE5F@me.com> Anyone have pics/suggestions about best/correct setup of outhaul car on boom and connection to mainsail clew? Thanks. Sent from my iPad From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Sun Aug 11 13:32:36 2019 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 13:32:36 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Racing Message-ID: [image: RevSail2019a.jpg] [image: RevSail2019b.jpg] Regards, Rick Lange -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Chris G ENOSIS On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 at 20:33, Rick Lange wrote: > [image: RevSail2019a.jpg] > > [image: RevSail2019b.jpg] > > > > Regards, > > > > Rick Lange > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: RevSail2019a.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 98859 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190811/92ebe972/attachment.jpg > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: RevSail2019b.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 186779 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190811/92ebe972/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > From keithwade at email.com Tue Aug 13 08:19:11 2019 From: keithwade at email.com (Keith Gard) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 14:19:11 +0200 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Out of the yard and into the water Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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St. Mary's County MD S/V Old Soul -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From rlowe at vt.edu Tue Aug 13 09:24:57 2019 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 13:24:57 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Out of the yard and into the water In-Reply-To: <1565702428384-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1565702428384-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: That one worked. - rob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Rocartfe2 Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 9:20 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Out of the yard and into the water It would seem I am no better a posting than I am at sailing ----- Keith G. St. Mary's County MD S/V Old Soul -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Wed Aug 14 10:47:45 2019 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 17:47:45 +0300 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Out of the yard and into the water In-Reply-To: References: <1565702428384-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: It worked and is beautiful. Chris G ENOSIS On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 16:25, Lowe, Rob wrote: > That one worked. - rob > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Rocartfe2 > > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 9:20 AM > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Out of the yard and into the water > > > > It would seem I am no better a posting than I am at sailing < > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t908/old_soul_in_the_slip.jpg> > > > > > > > > > ----- > > Keith G. > > St. Mary's County MD > > S/V Old Soul > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > From Colealexander at hotmail.com Thu Aug 15 23:00:14 2019 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 20:00:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Vang bail Message-ID: <1565924414543-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I bought a Vang this spring on sale. I wanted to through bolt a bail to the boom and get a couple short straps with eyes to hook to the bolt on the mast step, so I could mount a vang when the top was down , or just tuck the straps under the mast and leave the Vang in the drawer as desired. I think somebody did something similar in the archives. I have been hesitant, mostly because I didn?t want to stress the gooseneck and lack the engineering to know the consequences. I short tack too much to rig a preventer style line with a fuse. If nothing else the Vang is one of the few original parts on my alternate boat, therefore overdue to break. I know it wasn?t money wasted. APS decided nautical fashion is more lucrative then sailing. I just looked at their 25% off everything sale and began to think again. Does anybody have feedback? What is the diameter of the boom extrusion? Alex ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From Colealexander at hotmail.com Thu Aug 15 23:08:32 2019 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 20:08:32 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Racing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1565924912656-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Nice photo. Alex ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Fri Aug 16 02:59:27 2019 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 09:59:27 +0300 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Last anchorage of the year Message-ID: Well this year?s ride is over. Putting Enosis to bed in Prevesa in Western Greece. Mixed feelings. Once I can get back to the states and recover all my notes and down loaded pictures off my sick computer I might have a tale or two to share. Chris Geankoplis ENOSIS From daysails at aol.com Fri Aug 16 07:25:15 2019 From: daysails at aol.com (daysails at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 11:25:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Last anchorage of the year References: <1175892057.168546.1565954715833.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1175892057.168546.1565954715833@mail.yahoo.com> I look forward to your reflective writing as much as your ?as it unfolds? journaling. ?You expand the sailing horizon dreams of this lake sailor by your adventures on ?my? very own boat. ?Keep sailing, keep writing. ?Thanks, ?Joe Riley Hard -a -ground in Arlington MA. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Geankoplis To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Sent: Fri, Aug 16, 2019 02:59 AM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Last anchorage of the year Well this year?s ride is over. Putting Enosis to bed in Prevesa in Western Greece. Mixed feelings. Once I can get back to the states and recover all my notes and down loaded pictures off my sick computer I might have a tale or two to share. Chris Geankoplis ENOSIS From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Fri Aug 16 12:26:03 2019 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 12:26:03 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Vang bail In-Reply-To: <1565924414543-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1565924414543-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Alex, I don't know what a vang can add to end-boom sheeting, especially with an IMF mainsail and its loose foot. Regards, Rick Lange On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:57 PM S/V Lark wrote: > I bought a Vang this spring on sale. I wanted to through bolt a bail to > the > boom and get a couple short straps with eyes to hook to the bolt on the > mast > step, so I could mount a vang when the top was down , or just tuck the > straps under the mast and leave the Vang in the drawer as desired. I > think somebody did something similar in the archives. I have been > hesitant, mostly because I didn?t want to stress the gooseneck and lack the > engineering to know the consequences. I short tack too much to rig a > preventer style line with a fuse. If nothing else the Vang is one of the > few original parts on my alternate boat, therefore overdue to break. I > know it wasn?t money wasted. > > APS decided nautical fashion is more lucrative then sailing. I just looked > at their 25% off everything sale and began to think again. Does anybody > have feedback? What is the diameter of the boom extrusion? > > Alex > > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Fri Aug 16 12:40:04 2019 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 19:40:04 +0300 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Last anchorage of the year In-Reply-To: <1175892057.168546.1565954715833@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1175892057.168546.1565954715833.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1175892057.168546.1565954715833@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Joe, Sharing is such a pleasure with the group and my family. Plus if I write it down I won?t forget the details. Couldn?t find the truck keys for a week, gave up looking when I remembered I live on boats and sold the damn thing. (Grin). I?ll send a near final picture shortly. Chris Geankoplis ENOSIS On Fri, 16 Aug 2019 at 14:25, Sling via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > I look forward to your reflective writing as much as your ?as it unfolds? > journaling. You expand the sailing horizon dreams of this lake sailor by > your adventures on ?my? very own boat. Keep sailing, keep writing. > Thanks, Joe Riley Hard -a -ground in Arlington MA. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chris Geankoplis > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Sent: Fri, Aug 16, 2019 02:59 AM > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Last anchorage of the year > > > > > > Well this year?s ride is over. Putting Enosis to bed in Prevesa in Western > > Greece. Mixed feelings. Once I can get back to the states and recover all > > my notes and down loaded pictures off my sick computer I might have a tale > > or two to share. > > > > Chris Geankoplis > > ENOSIS > > From Colealexander at hotmail.com Fri Aug 16 13:13:50 2019 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 10:13:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Vang bail In-Reply-To: References: <1565924414543-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1565975630362-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Rick My concern is the tendency of the boom to lift on a run. Running the traveler all the way to the end and having the boom in the raised position so the sheet provides more downward force helps some. I'm sure I would pick a course closer to a reach if I was on big water, to gain speed, even if it meant jibing to get to my destination. In confined spaces there are times where a run is the most practical course. I think the lack of significant waves also makes sail shape more relevant on small water. When I've been on Erie or Michigan I found the waves would frustratingly keep bouncing the sail out of shape if the wind is moderate. You likely have far more hours on open water, does this match your observations? Alex ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From ric at stottarchitecture.com Fri Aug 16 13:11:24 2019 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 13:11:24 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Vang bail In-Reply-To: References: <1565924414543-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <68511B11-A9CE-42C2-B4E2-6517D313F64E@stottarchitecture.com> The vang can be a very important sail control for any point of sail other than close-hauled. I love using mine for broad reaching and dead down- wing-n-wing. Last year someone mentioned webbing straps with grommets at the mast step. I bought some webbing and grommets for a few bucks. The boat came with a simple vang that my dad used for a boom preventer. Like most Rhodes - there was a bail on the boom but nothing to attach a vang to at the mast. It works great. Ric sv Dadventure Hampton Bays Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP www.stottarchitecture.com Office 631-283-1777 Cell 516-965-3164 > On Aug 16, 2019, at 12:26 PM, Rick Lange wrote: > > Hi Alex, > > I don't know what a vang can add to end-boom sheeting, especially with an > IMF mainsail and its loose foot. > > Regards, > > Rick Lange > > > On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:57 PM S/V Lark wrote: > >> I bought a Vang this spring on sale. I wanted to through bolt a bail to >> the >> boom and get a couple short straps with eyes to hook to the bolt on the >> mast >> step, so I could mount a vang when the top was down , or just tuck the >> straps under the mast and leave the Vang in the drawer as desired. I >> think somebody did something similar in the archives. I have been >> hesitant, mostly because I didn?t want to stress the gooseneck and lack the >> engineering to know the consequences. I short tack too much to rig a >> preventer style line with a fuse. If nothing else the Vang is one of the >> few original parts on my alternate boat, therefore overdue to break. I >> know it wasn?t money wasted. >> >> APS decided nautical fashion is more lucrative then sailing. I just looked >> at their 25% off everything sale and began to think again. Does anybody >> have feedback? What is the diameter of the boom extrusion? >> >> Alex >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> Alex Cole >> S/V Lark >> -- >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >> From shawn.sustain at gmail.com Fri Aug 16 13:38:34 2019 From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 10:38:34 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Vang bail In-Reply-To: <68511B11-A9CE-42C2-B4E2-6517D313F64E@stottarchitecture.com> References: <1565924414543-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <68511B11-A9CE-42C2-B4E2-6517D313F64E@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: Ric - Got any pictures? Thanks, Shawn s/v Sweet Baboo On Fri, Aug 16, 2019, 10:11 AM Richard Stott wrote: > The vang can be a very important sail control for any point of sail > other than close-hauled. > I love using mine for broad reaching and dead down- wing-n-wing. > Last year someone mentioned webbing straps with grommets at the mast step. > I bought some webbing and grommets for a few bucks. > The boat came with a simple vang that my dad used for a boom preventer. > Like most Rhodes - there was a bail on the boom but nothing to attach a > vang to at the mast. > It works great. > Ric > sv Dadventure > Hampton Bays > > Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP > www.stottarchitecture.com > Office 631-283-1777 > Cell 516-965-3164 > > > > > > > On Aug 16, 2019, at 12:26 PM, Rick Lange > wrote: > > > > Hi Alex, > > > > I don't know what a vang can add to end-boom sheeting, especially with an > > IMF mainsail and its loose foot. > > > > Regards, > > > > Rick Lange > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:57 PM S/V Lark > wrote: > > > >> I bought a Vang this spring on sale. I wanted to through bolt a bail to > >> the > >> boom and get a couple short straps with eyes to hook to the bolt on the > >> mast > >> step, so I could mount a vang when the top was down , or just tuck the > >> straps under the mast and leave the Vang in the drawer as desired. I > >> think somebody did something similar in the archives. I have been > >> hesitant, mostly because I didn?t want to stress the gooseneck and lack > the > >> engineering to know the consequences. I short tack too much to rig a > >> preventer style line with a fuse. If nothing else the Vang is one of > the > >> few original parts on my alternate boat, therefore overdue to break. > I > >> know it wasn?t money wasted. > >> > >> APS decided nautical fashion is more lucrative then sailing. I just > looked > >> at their 25% off everything sale and began to think again. Does > anybody > >> have feedback? What is the diameter of the boom extrusion? > >> > >> Alex > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- > >> Alex Cole > >> S/V Lark > >> -- > >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > >> > > From jason_q at jasonquick.com Fri Aug 16 13:41:03 2019 From: jason_q at jasonquick.com (Jason Quick) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 13:41:03 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Vang bail In-Reply-To: References: <1565924414543-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <68511B11-A9CE-42C2-B4E2-6517D313F64E@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: I no longer have my Rhodes but you really want a vang on pretty much any boat, the R22 is no exception. In my case I was able to get a bail at the mast foot through the mast bolt (which I replaced with a 1" longer one) by slightly enlarging the holes in the bail and I attached on the boom side using the usual through-bolting method. From a beam reach to a run being able to control sail twist and thus either power up or depower the main adds significantly to the range of conditions the boat is sailable in. I got my R22 second hand but would be surprised to learn that a vang is not a standard feature. --Jason Former owner of S/V Cato (presently sailing a C22) On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 1:29 PM Shawn Boles wrote: > Ric - > > Got any pictures? > > Thanks, > > Shawn > s/v Sweet Baboo > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019, 10:11 AM Richard Stott > wrote: > > > The vang can be a very important sail control for any point of sail > > other than close-hauled. > > I love using mine for broad reaching and dead down- wing-n-wing. > > Last year someone mentioned webbing straps with grommets at the mast > step. > > I bought some webbing and grommets for a few bucks. > > The boat came with a simple vang that my dad used for a boom preventer. > > Like most Rhodes - there was a bail on the boom but nothing to attach a > > vang to at the mast. > > It works great. > > Ric > > sv Dadventure > > Hampton Bays > > > > Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP > > www.stottarchitecture.com > > Office 631-283-1777 > > Cell 516-965-3164 > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 16, 2019, at 12:26 PM, Rick Lange > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Alex, > > > > > > I don't know what a vang can add to end-boom sheeting, especially with > an > > > IMF mainsail and its loose foot. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rick Lange > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:57 PM S/V Lark > > wrote: > > > > > >> I bought a Vang this spring on sale. I wanted to through bolt a bail > to > > >> the > > >> boom and get a couple short straps with eyes to hook to the bolt on > the > > >> mast > > >> step, so I could mount a vang when the top was down , or just tuck the > > >> straps under the mast and leave the Vang in the drawer as desired. > I > > >> think somebody did something similar in the archives. I have been > > >> hesitant, mostly because I didn?t want to stress the gooseneck and > lack > > the > > >> engineering to know the consequences. I short tack too much to rig > a > > >> preventer style line with a fuse. If nothing else the Vang is one of > > the > > >> few original parts on my alternate boat, therefore overdue to break. > > I > > >> know it wasn?t money wasted. > > >> > > >> APS decided nautical fashion is more lucrative then sailing. I just > > looked > > >> at their 25% off everything sale and began to think again. Does > > anybody > > >> have feedback? What is the diameter of the boom extrusion? > > >> > > >> Alex > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- > > >> Alex Cole > > >> S/V Lark > > >> -- > > >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > >> > > > > > From shawn.sustain at gmail.com Fri Aug 16 13:51:58 2019 From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 10:51:58 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Vang bail In-Reply-To: References: <1565924414543-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <68511B11-A9CE-42C2-B4E2-6517D313F64E@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: Nicely put. I lake sail in 3-16 knot winds. The combination of mainsheet tension and Stan's amazing traveler works for me. Your argument for a vane makes perfect sense in more stringent conditions. Cheers , Shawn s/v Sweet Baboo On Fri, Aug 16, 2019, 10:41 AM Jason Quick wrote: > I no longer have my Rhodes but you really want a vang on pretty much any > boat, the R22 is no exception. > > In my case I was able to get a bail at the mast foot through the mast bolt > (which I replaced with a 1" longer one) by slightly enlarging the holes in > the bail and I attached on the boom side using the usual through-bolting > method. From a beam reach to a run being able to control sail twist and > thus either power up or depower the main adds significantly to the range of > conditions the boat is sailable in. I got my R22 second hand but would be > surprised to learn that a vang is not a standard feature. > > --Jason > Former owner of S/V Cato > (presently sailing a C22) > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 1:29 PM Shawn Boles > wrote: > > > Ric - > > > > Got any pictures? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Shawn > > s/v Sweet Baboo > > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019, 10:11 AM Richard Stott > > wrote: > > > > > The vang can be a very important sail control for any point of sail > > > other than close-hauled. > > > I love using mine for broad reaching and dead down- wing-n-wing. > > > Last year someone mentioned webbing straps with grommets at the mast > > step. > > > I bought some webbing and grommets for a few bucks. > > > The boat came with a simple vang that my dad used for a boom preventer. > > > Like most Rhodes - there was a bail on the boom but nothing to attach a > > > vang to at the mast. > > > It works great. > > > Ric > > > sv Dadventure > > > Hampton Bays > > > > > > Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP > > > www.stottarchitecture.com > > > Office 631-283-1777 > > > Cell 516-965-3164 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 16, 2019, at 12:26 PM, Rick Lange > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Alex, > > > > > > > > I don't know what a vang can add to end-boom sheeting, especially > with > > an > > > > IMF mainsail and its loose foot. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Rick Lange > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:57 PM S/V Lark > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> I bought a Vang this spring on sale. I wanted to through bolt a > bail > > to > > > >> the > > > >> boom and get a couple short straps with eyes to hook to the bolt on > > the > > > >> mast > > > >> step, so I could mount a vang when the top was down , or just tuck > the > > > >> straps under the mast and leave the Vang in the drawer as desired. > > I > > > >> think somebody did something similar in the archives. I have been > > > >> hesitant, mostly because I didn?t want to stress the gooseneck and > > lack > > > the > > > >> engineering to know the consequences. I short tack too much to > rig > > a > > > >> preventer style line with a fuse. If nothing else the Vang is one > of > > > the > > > >> few original parts on my alternate boat, therefore overdue to break. > > > I > > > >> know it wasn?t money wasted. > > > >> > > > >> APS decided nautical fashion is more lucrative then sailing. I just > > > looked > > > >> at their 25% off everything sale and began to think again. Does > > > anybody > > > >> have feedback? What is the diameter of the boom extrusion? > > > >> > > > >> Alex > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> ----- > > > >> Alex Cole > > > >> S/V Lark > > > >> -- > > > >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > >> > > > > > > > > > From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Fri Aug 16 13:57:42 2019 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 13:57:42 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Vang bail In-Reply-To: <1565975630362-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1565924414543-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1565975630362-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Alex, For wing-on-wing sailing, I rig a preventer by running the main outhaul line from the boom forward cleat to the ring for sheeting the genny clew inboard. The ring is moved completely forward on the track. Generally, waves and wind go together. Also, a vang pulled so tight it absolutely flattens the sail is not really going to be much help anyway. Regards, Rick Lange On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 1:11 PM S/V Lark wrote: > Rick > > My concern is the tendency of the boom to lift on a run. Running the > traveler all the way to the end and having the boom in the raised position > so the sheet provides more downward force helps some. I'm sure I would > pick a course closer to a reach if I was on big water, to gain speed, even > if it meant jibing to get to my destination. In confined spaces there > are > times where a run is the most practical course. I think the lack of > significant waves also makes sail shape more relevant on small water. > When > I've been on Erie or Michigan I found the waves would frustratingly keep > bouncing the sail out of shape if the wind is moderate. You likely have > far more hours on open water, does this match your observations? > > Alex > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Fri Aug 16 14:09:53 2019 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 14:09:53 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Vang bail In-Reply-To: References: <1565924414543-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <68511B11-A9CE-42C2-B4E2-6517D313F64E@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: Shawn, Here's one. Without the bother of a vang, the traveler and main sheet were easily used to match leach curves on a broad reach. Pop top up, sailing flat and won the race. [image: RevSail2019a.jpg] Regards, Rick Lange On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 1:29 PM Shawn Boles wrote: > Ric - > > Got any pictures? > > Thanks, > > Shawn > s/v Sweet Baboo > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019, 10:11 AM Richard Stott > wrote: > > > The vang can be a very important sail control for any point of sail > > other than close-hauled. > > I love using mine for broad reaching and dead down- wing-n-wing. > > Last year someone mentioned webbing straps with grommets at the mast > step. > > I bought some webbing and grommets for a few bucks. > > The boat came with a simple vang that my dad used for a boom preventer. > > Like most Rhodes - there was a bail on the boom but nothing to attach a > > vang to at the mast. > > It works great. > > Ric > > sv Dadventure > > Hampton Bays > > > > Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP > > www.stottarchitecture.com > > Office 631-283-1777 > > Cell 516-965-3164 > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 16, 2019, at 12:26 PM, Rick Lange > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Alex, > > > > > > I don't know what a vang can add to end-boom sheeting, especially with > an > > > IMF mainsail and its loose foot. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rick Lange > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:57 PM S/V Lark > > wrote: > > > > > >> I bought a Vang this spring on sale. I wanted to through bolt a bail > to > > >> the > > >> boom and get a couple short straps with eyes to hook to the bolt on > the > > >> mast > > >> step, so I could mount a vang when the top was down , or just tuck the > > >> straps under the mast and leave the Vang in the drawer as desired. > I > > >> think somebody did something similar in the archives. I have been > > >> hesitant, mostly because I didn?t want to stress the gooseneck and > lack > > the > > >> engineering to know the consequences. I short tack too much to rig > a > > >> preventer style line with a fuse. If nothing else the Vang is one of > > the > > >> few original parts on my alternate boat, therefore overdue to break. > > I > > >> know it wasn?t money wasted. > > >> > > >> APS decided nautical fashion is more lucrative then sailing. I just > > looked > > >> at their 25% off everything sale and began to think again. Does > > anybody > > >> have feedback? What is the diameter of the boom extrusion? > > >> > > >> Alex > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- > > >> Alex Cole > > >> S/V Lark > > >> -- > > >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > >> > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: RevSail2019a.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 98859 bytes Desc: not available URL: From shawn.sustain at gmail.com Fri Aug 16 16:10:05 2019 From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 13:10:05 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Vang bail In-Reply-To: References: <1565924414543-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <68511B11-A9CE-42C2-B4E2-6517D313F64E@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: Thanks. What a boat! cheers, Shawn s/v Sweet Baboo On Fri, Aug 16, 2019, 11:10 AM Rick Lange wrote: > Shawn, > > Here's one. Without the bother of a vang, the traveler and main sheet were > easily used to match leach curves on a broad reach. Pop top up, sailing > flat and won the race. > > [image: RevSail2019a.jpg] > > Regards, > > Rick Lange > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 1:29 PM Shawn Boles > wrote: > > > Ric - > > > > Got any pictures? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Shawn > > s/v Sweet Baboo > > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019, 10:11 AM Richard Stott > > wrote: > > > > > The vang can be a very important sail control for any point of sail > > > other than close-hauled. > > > I love using mine for broad reaching and dead down- wing-n-wing. > > > Last year someone mentioned webbing straps with grommets at the mast > > step. > > > I bought some webbing and grommets for a few bucks. > > > The boat came with a simple vang that my dad used for a boom preventer. > > > Like most Rhodes - there was a bail on the boom but nothing to attach a > > > vang to at the mast. > > > It works great. > > > Ric > > > sv Dadventure > > > Hampton Bays > > > > > > Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP > > > www.stottarchitecture.com > > > Office 631-283-1777 > > > Cell 516-965-3164 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 16, 2019, at 12:26 PM, Rick Lange > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Alex, > > > > > > > > I don't know what a vang can add to end-boom sheeting, especially > with > > an > > > > IMF mainsail and its loose foot. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Rick Lange > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:57 PM S/V Lark > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> I bought a Vang this spring on sale. I wanted to through bolt a > bail > > to > > > >> the > > > >> boom and get a couple short straps with eyes to hook to the bolt on > > the > > > >> mast > > > >> step, so I could mount a vang when the top was down , or just tuck > the > > > >> straps under the mast and leave the Vang in the drawer as desired. > > I > > > >> think somebody did something similar in the archives. I have been > > > >> hesitant, mostly because I didn?t want to stress the gooseneck and > > lack > > > the > > > >> engineering to know the consequences. I short tack too much to > rig > > a > > > >> preventer style line with a fuse. If nothing else the Vang is one > of > > > the > > > >> few original parts on my alternate boat, therefore overdue to break. > > > I > > > >> know it wasn?t money wasted. > > > >> > > > >> APS decided nautical fashion is more lucrative then sailing. I just > > > looked > > > >> at their 25% off everything sale and began to think again. Does > > > anybody > > > >> have feedback? What is the diameter of the boom extrusion? > > > >> > > > >> Alex > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> ----- > > > >> Alex Cole > > > >> S/V Lark > > > >> -- > > > >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > >> > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: RevSail2019a.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 98859 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190816/3c275ef6/attachment.jpg > > > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Fri Aug 16 16:29:40 2019 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (mweisner at ebsmed.com) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 16:29:40 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Vang bail In-Reply-To: References: <1565924414543-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <68511B11-A9CE-42C2-B4E2-6517D313F64E@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: <007001d55471$559a4970$00cedc50$@ebsmed.com> Notice Rick said that he won the race! It's not the equipment, it's the captain! Also note that the poptop is up (the boom is in the upper position) and the boat is sailing flat due to proper trim. I love that the race was won with the bimini flying as well. Creature comfort is important. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Rick Lange Sent: Friday, August 16, 2019 2:10 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Vang bail Shawn, Here's one. Without the bother of a vang, the traveler and main sheet were easily used to match leach curves on a broad reach. Pop top up, sailing flat and won the race. [image: RevSail2019a.jpg] Regards, Rick Lange On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 1:29 PM Shawn Boles wrote: > Ric - > > Got any pictures? > > Thanks, > > Shawn > s/v Sweet Baboo > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019, 10:11 AM Richard Stott > > wrote: > > > The vang can be a very important sail control for any point of sail > > other than close-hauled. > > I love using mine for broad reaching and dead down- wing-n-wing. > > Last year someone mentioned webbing straps with grommets at the mast > step. > > I bought some webbing and grommets for a few bucks. > > The boat came with a simple vang that my dad used for a boom preventer. > > Like most Rhodes - there was a bail on the boom but nothing to > > attach a vang to at the mast. > > It works great. > > Ric > > sv Dadventure > > Hampton Bays > > > > Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP > > www.stottarchitecture.com > > Office 631-283-1777 > > Cell 516-965-3164 > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 16, 2019, at 12:26 PM, Rick Lange > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Alex, > > > > > > I don't know what a vang can add to end-boom sheeting, especially > > > with > an > > > IMF mainsail and its loose foot. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rick Lange > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:57 PM S/V Lark > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> I bought a Vang this spring on sale. I wanted to through bolt a > > >> bail > to > > >> the > > >> boom and get a couple short straps with eyes to hook to the bolt > > >> on > the > > >> mast > > >> step, so I could mount a vang when the top was down , or just > > >> tuck the straps under the mast and leave the Vang in the drawer as desired. > I > > >> think somebody did something similar in the archives. I have been > > >> hesitant, mostly because I didn?t want to stress the gooseneck > > >> and > lack > > the > > >> engineering to know the consequences. I short tack too much to rig > a > > >> preventer style line with a fuse. If nothing else the Vang is > > >> one of > > the > > >> few original parts on my alternate boat, therefore overdue to break. > > I > > >> know it wasn?t money wasted. > > >> > > >> APS decided nautical fashion is more lucrative then sailing. I > > >> just > > looked > > >> at their 25% off everything sale and began to think again. Does > > anybody > > >> have feedback? What is the diameter of the boom extrusion? > > >> > > >> Alex > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- > > >> Alex Cole > > >> S/V Lark > > >> -- > > >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > >> > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: RevSail2019a.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 98859 bytes Desc: not available URL: From richard at macarthurlawfirm.com Fri Aug 16 23:12:28 2019 From: richard at macarthurlawfirm.com (Richard MacArthur) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2019 03:12:28 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4136, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Simply install a down haul on the boom from the bottom of the boom to the bottom of the mast and your boom won?t rise up and hit the backstay. Even a simple line will do Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 16, 2019, at 1:58 PM, "rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org" wrote: > > Send Rhodes22-list mailing list submissions to > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > rhodes22-list-owner at rhodes22.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Rhodes22-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: boom hitting back stays (luis.guzman.ve) > 2. adjusting forestay tension with GB jib furler (Jesse Shumaker) > 3. Re: adjusting forestay tension with GB jib furler (Shawn Boles) > 4. Re: adjusting forestay tension with GB jib furler (ROGER PIHLAJA) > 5. Re: Motor Lift Cutout Circuit (Gmorganflier) > 6. Re: adjusting forestay tension with GB jib furler (Jesse Shumaker) > 7. Re: boom hitting back stays (Jesse Shumaker) > 8. tiller extension that led to a crack in the fiberglass tiller > (Jesse Shumaker) > 9. Re: boom hitting back stays (Chris Cowie) > 10. Re: tiller extension that led to a crack in the fiberglass > tiller (mweisner at ebsmed.com) > 11. Out haul car setup (William Fuller) > 12. Racing (Rick Lange) > 13. Re: Out haul car setup (Shawn Boles) > 14. Re: Out haul car setup (Shawn Boles) > 15. Re: Racing (Chris Geankoplis) > 16. Out of the yard and into the water (Keith Gard) > 17. Re: Out of the yard and into the water (Rocartfe2) > 18. Re: Out of the yard and into the water (Lowe, Rob) > 19. Re: Out of the yard and into the water (Chris Geankoplis) > 20. Vang bail (S/V Lark) > 21. Re: Racing (S/V Lark) > 22. Last anchorage of the year (Chris Geankoplis) > 23. Re: Last anchorage of the year (daysails at aol.com) > 24. Re: Vang bail (Rick Lange) > 25. Re: Last anchorage of the year (Chris Geankoplis) > 26. Re: Vang bail (S/V Lark) > 27. Re: Vang bail (Richard Stott) > 28. Re: Vang bail (Shawn Boles) > 29. Re: Vang bail (Jason Quick) > 30. Re: Vang bail (Shawn Boles) > 31. Re: Vang bail (Rick Lange) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2019 15:48:39 -0400 > From: "luis.guzman.ve" > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] boom hitting back stays > Message-ID: <5d48881b.1c69fb81.630b5.f2e6 at mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > How long is the standard boom from the mast to the end including all hardware?Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device > -------- Original message --------From: Chris Cowie Date: 8/5/19 3:23 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] boom hitting back stays The standard mast and boom was provided by Dwyer, the standard Dwyer mast has two pin positions from the bottom of the mast center of pin 8" and 2'-4 3/8", the standard Dwyer boom is 9'-9" long from the front to the back of the boom not including the boom to mast hardware or the outhaul cap.Christopher P. Cowie? ??700 N Fairfax StreetSuite 304Alexandria, Virginia 22314703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile[ccowie at cowieassociates.com]Please consider the environment before printing this email.-----Original Message-----From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Peter NybergSent: Monday, August 05, 2019 3:16 PMTo: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] boom hitting back staysFrom the e > nd cap on the aft end of my boom (i.e. ignoring the tangs), to the mast is 120.5?.? Just the aluminum extrusion (ignoring the gooseneck hardware and the end cap) is 117 1/16?.This is an IMF rig.? I can?t recall if yours is or not.PeterSent from my iPad> On Aug 4, 2019, at 10:54 PM, Jesse Shumaker wrote:> > A few updates:> - My boom extends 123" from the mast - this is in response to some of > the questions.> - Lowering the boom car so that it rests directly on top of the pop > top cover solved the issue of the boom hitting the backstays.? > Previously, there was ~1" between the boom car and the pop top car.? I > think I will drill another hole in the mast so that the boom pin can > be in the mast at this height as well.? Right now it's all resting on the pop top cover pin.> - I plan to adjust how the topping lift attaches to the boom based on > feedback from the group.> - Since the consensus is that it's fine to leave the topping lift on > an > d just let it slack when needed, I tied on a couple of blocks and > then ran the topping lift through an unused cleat on the port side at > the front of the cockpit.? Then I can adjust the topping lift without > having to go forward and tie a cleat hitch on the horn cleat.? The new setup is convenient.> - I riveted on a eye strap to the boom in preparation for adding a vang. > I'd like the option to use that to help keep the boom down.? I know > there's been a lot of discussion about that in the past so I'll be > mining the archives for details.> > A few photos are attached.? It is a relief to have this issue resolved. > Thanks for the input!> > .jpg> > pit.jpg>> > > > --> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 17:35:06 -0700 (MST) > From: Jesse Shumaker > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] adjusting forestay tension with GB jib furler > Message-ID: <1565138106458-0.post at n5.nabble.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I believe I have the standard GB jib furler. How could I go about adjusting > forestay tension with the setup shown in the attached photos? Or is that > fixed and simply controlled by the angle of the mast as a result of the > backstay tension? Or perhaps an adjustment where the forestay connects to > the mast? > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 18:25:54 -0700 > From: Shawn Boles > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] adjusting forestay tension with GB jib > furler > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hi - > > I rely on the backstay tensioner. > > Cheers, > > Shawn > > s/v Sweet Baboo > > On Tue, Aug 6, 2019, 5:33 PM Jesse Shumaker > wrote: > >> I believe I have the standard GB jib furler. How could I go about >> adjusting >> forestay tension with the setup shown in the attached photos? Or is that >> fixed and simply controlled by the angle of the mast as a result of the >> backstay tension? Or perhaps an adjustment where the forestay connects to >> the mast? >> >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 01:24:52 +0000 > From: ROGER PIHLAJA > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] adjusting forestay tension with GB jib > furler > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Jessie, > > You use the backstay adjuster to set the tension in the forestay. When trying to point to windward, you tighten the backstay until there is minimal sag in the forestay. When sailing downwind, you want some forestay sag ( think parachute! ). So, you let off on the backstay adjuster. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilbrium > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 6, 2019, at 8:16 PM, Shawn Boles wrote: >> >> Hi - >> >> I rely on the backstay tensioner. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Shawn >> >> s/v Sweet Baboo >> >> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019, 5:33 PM Jesse Shumaker >> wrote: >> >>> I believe I have the standard GB jib furler. How could I go about >>> adjusting >>> forestay tension with the setup shown in the attached photos? Or is that >>> fixed and simply controlled by the angle of the mast as a result of the >>> backstay tension? Or perhaps an adjustment where the forestay connects to >>> the mast? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >>> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 18:08:33 -0700 (MST) > From: Gmorganflier > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Lift Cutout Circuit > Message-ID: <1565226513256-0.post at n5.nabble.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Thanks Joe...I?ve finally got some time tomorrow to go check out my mast > lights. > > George > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 19:07:25 -0700 (MST) > From: Jesse Shumaker > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] adjusting forestay tension with GB jib > furler > Message-ID: <1565230045358-0.post at n5.nabble.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Thanks for the explanation. That make sense and I will use that technique. > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 19:22:57 -0700 (MST) > From: Jesse Shumaker > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] boom hitting back stays > Message-ID: <1565230977216-0.post at n5.nabble.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > It appears that my boom is a little over 6" longer than standard. As far as > I know it came from the factory that way. As you can see from the attached > photos, there is excess distance between the end of the main and the end of > the boom. The Doyle sail was a replacement, but cut for a Rhodes 22. I > suppose some day if I was getting ambitious I could shorten the boom. > However, since lowering the boom a bit seems to solve the issue then I'll > probably just leave it as is. After some feedback earlier in this thread, > I've swapped out the carabiner on the end of the topping lift for a shackle > that connects directly to the top of the end of the boom. I moved the other > tang down so the snap shackle for the main sheet connects to both tangs. > > > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 19:32:24 -0700 (MST) > From: Jesse Shumaker > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] tiller extension that led to a crack in the > fiberglass tiller > Message-ID: <1565231544819-0.post at n5.nabble.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > My boat has a fiberglass tiller. There is a Forespar tiller extension that > has stripped out of the tiller. There is also a small crack in the tiller > that originates from the tiller extension. > > I'm considering putting in a different tiller extension that may have a more > secure installation. If the new extension uses a larger hole then I may > drill out the existing hole. Or I could epoxy the existing hole and drill a > new hole. > > I'm concerned about the crack growing. I had considered putting something > for extra support around the tiller extension, such as some strong tape or a > hose clamp. The hose clamp would be strong but it would have a screw which > could catch on things. > > I think the tiller extension would be really helpful to be able to hike out > when things get lively. I would really prefer to keep the existing tiller > as long as possible. > > Any suggestions before I proceed with repairs? > > > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2019 10:22:01 +0000 > From: Chris Cowie > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] boom hitting back stays > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Yes your boom is longer than The original standard Dwyer boom. > > > Please note our new office address and phone number > > Christopher P. Cowie [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] > > 700 N Fairfax Street > Suite 304 > Alexandria, Virginia 22314 > 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] > > [cid:image001.jpg at 01D24014.7A2D04E0] > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > > On Aug 7, 2019, at 10:21 PM, Jesse Shumaker > wrote: > > It appears that my boom is a little over 6" longer than standard. As far as > I know it came from the factory that way. As you can see from the attached > photos, there is excess distance between the end of the main and the end of > the boom. The Doyle sail was a replacement, but cut for a Rhodes 22. I > suppose some day if I was getting ambitious I could shorten the boom. > However, since lowering the boom a bit seems to solve the issue then I'll > probably just leave it as is. After some feedback earlier in this thread, > I've swapped out the carabiner on the end of the topping lift for a shackle > that connects directly to the top of the end of the boom. I moved the other > tang down so the snap shackle for the main sheet connects to both tangs. > > > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2019 12:24:31 -0400 > From: > To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] tiller extension that led to a crack in > the fiberglass tiller > Message-ID: <002601d54e05$c2bbd3b0$48337b10$@ebsmed.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Jesse, > > The fiberglass tillers were introduced within the last few years. I would > ask Stan if the warranty is still in effect as long as the crack is due to a > manufacturing defect. > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Jesse > Shumaker > Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 10:32 PM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] tiller extension that led to a crack in the > fiberglass tiller > > My boat has a fiberglass tiller. There is a Forespar tiller extension that > has stripped out of the tiller. There is also a small crack in the tiller > that originates from the tiller extension. > > I'm considering putting in a different tiller extension that may have a more > secure installation. If the new extension uses a larger hole then I may > drill out the existing hole. Or I could epoxy the existing hole and drill a > new hole. > > I'm concerned about the crack growing. I had considered putting something > for extra support around the tiller extension, such as some strong tape or a > hose clamp. The hose clamp would be strong but it would have a screw which > could catch on things. > > I think the tiller extension would be really helpful to be able to hike out > when things get lively. I would really prefer to keep the existing tiller > as long as possible. > > Any suggestions before I proceed with repairs? > > > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 10:14:29 -0400 > From: William Fuller > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Out haul car setup > Message-ID: <1F6BBBE1-B65A-4B2F-816E-1CC6B10CAE5F at me.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Anyone have pics/suggestions about best/correct setup of outhaul car on boom and connection to mainsail clew? Thanks. > > Sent from my iPad > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 13:32:36 -0400 > From: Rick Lange > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Racing > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > [image: RevSail2019a.jpg] > [image: RevSail2019b.jpg] > > Regards, > > Rick Lange > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: RevSail2019a.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 98859 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: RevSail2019b.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 186779 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 10:44:48 -0700 > From: Shawn Boles > To: William Fuller , The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Out haul car setup > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Here are pics from when I broke my outhaul car. Hope they help. > > Shawn > > s/v Sweet Baboo > > > On Sun, Aug 11, 2019, 7:14 AM William Fuller via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > >> Anyone have pics/suggestions about best/correct setup of outhaul car on >> boom and connection to mainsail clew? Thanks. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: /20170601_135537.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 446754 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: /20170601_135537.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 446754 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 10:47:33 -0700 > From: Shawn Boles > To: William Fuller , The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Out haul car setup > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Two more - Shawn > >> On Sun, Aug 11, 2019, 10:44 AM Shawn Boles wrote: >> >> Here are pics from when I broke my outhaul car. Hope they help. >> >> Shawn >> >> s/v Sweet Baboo >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 11, 2019, 7:14 AM William Fuller via Rhodes22-list < >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: >> >>> Anyone have pics/suggestions about best/correct setup of outhaul car on >>> boom and connection to mainsail clew? Thanks. >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: /20170607_190114.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 361039 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: /20170531_172228.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 487116 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 22:03:56 +0300 > From: Chris Geankoplis > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Racing > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Beautiful! > Chris G > ENOSIS > >> On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 at 20:33, Rick Lange wrote: >> >> [image: RevSail2019a.jpg] >> >> [image: RevSail2019b.jpg] >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> Rick Lange >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> >> Name: RevSail2019a.jpg >> >> Type: image/jpeg >> >> Size: 98859 bytes >> >> Desc: not available >> >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190811/92ebe972/attachment.jpg >>> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> >> Name: RevSail2019b.jpg >> >> Type: image/jpeg >> >> Size: 186779 bytes >> >> Desc: not available >> >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190811/92ebe972/attachment-0001.jpg >>> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 14:19:11 +0200 > From: "Keith Gard" > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Out of the yard and into the water > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: old soul in the slip.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 243967 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 06:20:28 -0700 (MST) > From: Rocartfe2 > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Out of the yard and into the water > Message-ID: <1565702428384-0.post at n5.nabble.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > It would seem I am no better a posting than I am at sailing > > > > > ----- > Keith G. > St. Mary's County MD > S/V Old Soul > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 18 > Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 13:24:57 +0000 > From: "Lowe, Rob" > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Out of the yard and into the water > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > That one worked. - rob > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Rocartfe2 > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 9:20 AM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Out of the yard and into the water > > It would seem I am no better a posting than I am at sailing > > > > ----- > Keith G. > St. Mary's County MD > S/V Old Soul > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 19 > Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 17:47:45 +0300 > From: Chris Geankoplis > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Out of the yard and into the water > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > It worked and is beautiful. > Chris G > ENOSIS > >> On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 16:25, Lowe, Rob wrote: >> >> That one worked. - rob >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of >> Rocartfe2 >> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 9:20 AM >> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Out of the yard and into the water >> >> >> >> It would seem I am no better a posting than I am at sailing < >> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t908/old_soul_in_the_slip.jpg> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> >> Keith G. >> >> St. Mary's County MD >> >> S/V Old Soul >> >> -- >> >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 20 > Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 20:00:14 -0700 (MST) > From: S/V Lark > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Vang bail > Message-ID: <1565924414543-0.post at n5.nabble.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I bought a Vang this spring on sale. I wanted to through bolt a bail to the > boom and get a couple short straps with eyes to hook to the bolt on the mast > step, so I could mount a vang when the top was down , or just tuck the > straps under the mast and leave the Vang in the drawer as desired. I > think somebody did something similar in the archives. I have been > hesitant, mostly because I didn?t want to stress the gooseneck and lack the > engineering to know the consequences. I short tack too much to rig a > preventer style line with a fuse. If nothing else the Vang is one of the > few original parts on my alternate boat, therefore overdue to break. I > know it wasn?t money wasted. > > APS decided nautical fashion is more lucrative then sailing. I just looked > at their 25% off everything sale and began to think again. Does anybody > have feedback? What is the diameter of the boom extrusion? > > Alex > > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 21 > Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 20:08:32 -0700 (MST) > From: S/V Lark > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Racing > Message-ID: <1565924912656-0.post at n5.nabble.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Nice photo. > > Alex > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 22 > Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 09:59:27 +0300 > From: Chris Geankoplis > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Last anchorage of the year > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Well this year?s ride is over. Putting Enosis to bed in Prevesa in Western > Greece. Mixed feelings. Once I can get back to the states and recover all > my notes and down loaded pictures off my sick computer I might have a tale > or two to share. > > Chris Geankoplis > ENOSIS > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 23 > Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 11:25:15 +0000 (UTC) > From: daysails at aol.com > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Last anchorage of the year > Message-ID: <1175892057.168546.1565954715833 at mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I look forward to your reflective writing as much as your ?as it unfolds? journaling. ?You expand the sailing horizon dreams of this lake sailor by your adventures on ?my? very own boat. ?Keep sailing, keep writing. ?Thanks, ?Joe Riley Hard -a -ground in Arlington MA. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Geankoplis > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Sent: Fri, Aug 16, 2019 02:59 AM > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Last anchorage of the year > > > Well this year?s ride is over. Putting Enosis to bed in Prevesa in Western > Greece. Mixed feelings. Once I can get back to the states and recover all > my notes and down loaded pictures off my sick computer I might have a tale > or two to share. > > Chris Geankoplis > ENOSIS > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 24 > Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 12:26:03 -0400 > From: Rick Lange > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Vang bail > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hi Alex, > > I don't know what a vang can add to end-boom sheeting, especially with an > IMF mainsail and its loose foot. > > Regards, > > Rick Lange > > >> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:57 PM S/V Lark wrote: >> >> I bought a Vang this spring on sale. I wanted to through bolt a bail to >> the >> boom and get a couple short straps with eyes to hook to the bolt on the >> mast >> step, so I could mount a vang when the top was down , or just tuck the >> straps under the mast and leave the Vang in the drawer as desired. I >> think somebody did something similar in the archives. I have been >> hesitant, mostly because I didn?t want to stress the gooseneck and lack the >> engineering to know the consequences. I short tack too much to rig a >> preventer style line with a fuse. If nothing else the Vang is one of the >> few original parts on my alternate boat, therefore overdue to break. I >> know it wasn?t money wasted. >> >> APS decided nautical fashion is more lucrative then sailing. I just looked >> at their 25% off everything sale and began to think again. Does anybody >> have feedback? What is the diameter of the boom extrusion? >> >> Alex >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> Alex Cole >> S/V Lark >> -- >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 25 > Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 19:40:04 +0300 > From: Chris Geankoplis > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List , > daysails at aol.com > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Last anchorage of the year > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Thanks Joe, > Sharing is such a pleasure with the group and my > family. Plus if I write it down I won?t forget the details. Couldn?t find > the truck keys for a week, gave up looking when I remembered I live on > boats and sold the damn thing. (Grin). I?ll send a near final picture > shortly. > > Chris Geankoplis > ENOSIS > > On Fri, 16 Aug 2019 at 14:25, Sling via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > >> I look forward to your reflective writing as much as your ?as it unfolds? >> journaling. You expand the sailing horizon dreams of this lake sailor by >> your adventures on ?my? very own boat. Keep sailing, keep writing. >> Thanks, Joe Riley Hard -a -ground in Arlington MA. >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Chris Geankoplis >> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> >> Sent: Fri, Aug 16, 2019 02:59 AM >> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Last anchorage of the year >> >> >> >> >> >> Well this year?s ride is over. Putting Enosis to bed in Prevesa in Western >> >> Greece. Mixed feelings. Once I can get back to the states and recover all >> >> my notes and down loaded pictures off my sick computer I might have a tale >> >> or two to share. >> >> >> >> Chris Geankoplis >> >> ENOSIS >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 26 > Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 10:13:50 -0700 (MST) > From: S/V Lark > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Vang bail > Message-ID: <1565975630362-0.post at n5.nabble.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Rick > > My concern is the tendency of the boom to lift on a run. Running the > traveler all the way to the end and having the boom in the raised position > so the sheet provides more downward force helps some. I'm sure I would > pick a course closer to a reach if I was on big water, to gain speed, even > if it meant jibing to get to my destination. In confined spaces there are > times where a run is the most practical course. I think the lack of > significant waves also makes sail shape more relevant on small water. When > I've been on Erie or Michigan I found the waves would frustratingly keep > bouncing the sail out of shape if the wind is moderate. You likely have > far more hours on open water, does this match your observations? > > Alex > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 27 > Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 13:11:24 -0400 > From: Richard Stott > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Vang bail > Message-ID: > <68511B11-A9CE-42C2-B4E2-6517D313F64E at stottarchitecture.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > The vang can be a very important sail control for any point of sail other than close-hauled. > I love using mine for broad reaching and dead down- wing-n-wing. > Last year someone mentioned webbing straps with grommets at the mast step. > I bought some webbing and grommets for a few bucks. > The boat came with a simple vang that my dad used for a boom preventer. > Like most Rhodes - there was a bail on the boom but nothing to attach a vang to at the mast. > It works great. > Ric > sv Dadventure > Hampton Bays > > Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP > www.stottarchitecture.com > Office 631-283-1777 > Cell 516-965-3164 > > > > > >> On Aug 16, 2019, at 12:26 PM, Rick Lange wrote: >> >> Hi Alex, >> >> I don't know what a vang can add to end-boom sheeting, especially with an >> IMF mainsail and its loose foot. >> >> Regards, >> >> Rick Lange >> >> >>> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:57 PM S/V Lark wrote: >>> >>> I bought a Vang this spring on sale. I wanted to through bolt a bail to >>> the >>> boom and get a couple short straps with eyes to hook to the bolt on the >>> mast >>> step, so I could mount a vang when the top was down , or just tuck the >>> straps under the mast and leave the Vang in the drawer as desired. I >>> think somebody did something similar in the archives. I have been >>> hesitant, mostly because I didn?t want to stress the gooseneck and lack the >>> engineering to know the consequences. I short tack too much to rig a >>> preventer style line with a fuse. If nothing else the Vang is one of the >>> few original parts on my alternate boat, therefore overdue to break. I >>> know it wasn?t money wasted. >>> >>> APS decided nautical fashion is more lucrative then sailing. I just looked >>> at their 25% off everything sale and began to think again. Does anybody >>> have feedback? What is the diameter of the boom extrusion? >>> >>> Alex >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Alex Cole >>> S/V Lark >>> -- >>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >>> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 28 > Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 10:38:34 -0700 > From: Shawn Boles > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Vang bail > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Ric - > > Got any pictures? > > Thanks, > > Shawn > s/v Sweet Baboo > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019, 10:11 AM Richard Stott > wrote: > >> The vang can be a very important sail control for any point of sail >> other than close-hauled. >> I love using mine for broad reaching and dead down- wing-n-wing. >> Last year someone mentioned webbing straps with grommets at the mast step. >> I bought some webbing and grommets for a few bucks. >> The boat came with a simple vang that my dad used for a boom preventer. >> Like most Rhodes - there was a bail on the boom but nothing to attach a >> vang to at the mast. >> It works great. >> Ric >> sv Dadventure >> Hampton Bays >> >> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP >> www.stottarchitecture.com >> Office 631-283-1777 >> Cell 516-965-3164 >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Aug 16, 2019, at 12:26 PM, Rick Lange >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Alex, >>> >>> I don't know what a vang can add to end-boom sheeting, especially with an >>> IMF mainsail and its loose foot. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Rick Lange >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:57 PM S/V Lark >> wrote: >>> >>>> I bought a Vang this spring on sale. I wanted to through bolt a bail to >>>> the >>>> boom and get a couple short straps with eyes to hook to the bolt on the >>>> mast >>>> step, so I could mount a vang when the top was down , or just tuck the >>>> straps under the mast and leave the Vang in the drawer as desired. I >>>> think somebody did something similar in the archives. I have been >>>> hesitant, mostly because I didn?t want to stress the gooseneck and lack >> the >>>> engineering to know the consequences. I short tack too much to rig a >>>> preventer style line with a fuse. If nothing else the Vang is one of >> the >>>> few original parts on my alternate boat, therefore overdue to break. >> I >>>> know it wasn?t money wasted. >>>> >>>> APS decided nautical fashion is more lucrative then sailing. I just >> looked >>>> at their 25% off everything sale and began to think again. Does >> anybody >>>> have feedback? What is the diameter of the boom extrusion? >>>> >>>> Alex >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Alex Cole >>>> S/V Lark >>>> -- >>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >>>> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 29 > Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 13:41:03 -0400 > From: Jason Quick > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Vang bail > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I no longer have my Rhodes but you really want a vang on pretty much any > boat, the R22 is no exception. > > In my case I was able to get a bail at the mast foot through the mast bolt > (which I replaced with a 1" longer one) by slightly enlarging the holes in > the bail and I attached on the boom side using the usual through-bolting > method. From a beam reach to a run being able to control sail twist and > thus either power up or depower the main adds significantly to the range of > conditions the boat is sailable in. I got my R22 second hand but would be > surprised to learn that a vang is not a standard feature. > > --Jason > Former owner of S/V Cato > (presently sailing a C22) > >> On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 1:29 PM Shawn Boles wrote: >> >> Ric - >> >> Got any pictures? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Shawn >> s/v Sweet Baboo >> >> On Fri, Aug 16, 2019, 10:11 AM Richard Stott >> wrote: >> >>> The vang can be a very important sail control for any point of sail >>> other than close-hauled. >>> I love using mine for broad reaching and dead down- wing-n-wing. >>> Last year someone mentioned webbing straps with grommets at the mast >> step. >>> I bought some webbing and grommets for a few bucks. >>> The boat came with a simple vang that my dad used for a boom preventer. >>> Like most Rhodes - there was a bail on the boom but nothing to attach a >>> vang to at the mast. >>> It works great. >>> Ric >>> sv Dadventure >>> Hampton Bays >>> >>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP >>> www.stottarchitecture.com >>> Office 631-283-1777 >>> Cell 516-965-3164 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Aug 16, 2019, at 12:26 PM, Rick Lange >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Alex, >>>> >>>> I don't know what a vang can add to end-boom sheeting, especially with >> an >>>> IMF mainsail and its loose foot. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Rick Lange >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:57 PM S/V Lark >>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I bought a Vang this spring on sale. I wanted to through bolt a bail >> to >>>>> the >>>>> boom and get a couple short straps with eyes to hook to the bolt on >> the >>>>> mast >>>>> step, so I could mount a vang when the top was down , or just tuck the >>>>> straps under the mast and leave the Vang in the drawer as desired. >> I >>>>> think somebody did something similar in the archives. I have been >>>>> hesitant, mostly because I didn?t want to stress the gooseneck and >> lack >>> the >>>>> engineering to know the consequences. I short tack too much to rig >> a >>>>> preventer style line with a fuse. If nothing else the Vang is one of >>> the >>>>> few original parts on my alternate boat, therefore overdue to break. >>> I >>>>> know it wasn?t money wasted. >>>>> >>>>> APS decided nautical fashion is more lucrative then sailing. I just >>> looked >>>>> at their 25% off everything sale and began to think again. Does >>> anybody >>>>> have feedback? What is the diameter of the boom extrusion? >>>>> >>>>> Alex >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Alex Cole >>>>> S/V Lark >>>>> -- >>>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >>>>> >>> >>> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 30 > Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 10:51:58 -0700 > From: Shawn Boles > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Vang bail > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Nicely put. I lake sail in 3-16 knot winds. The combination of mainsheet > tension and Stan's amazing traveler works for me. Your argument for a vane > makes perfect sense in more stringent conditions. > > Cheers , > > Shawn > s/v Sweet Baboo > >> On Fri, Aug 16, 2019, 10:41 AM Jason Quick wrote: >> >> I no longer have my Rhodes but you really want a vang on pretty much any >> boat, the R22 is no exception. >> >> In my case I was able to get a bail at the mast foot through the mast bolt >> (which I replaced with a 1" longer one) by slightly enlarging the holes in >> the bail and I attached on the boom side using the usual through-bolting >> method. From a beam reach to a run being able to control sail twist and >> thus either power up or depower the main adds significantly to the range of >> conditions the boat is sailable in. I got my R22 second hand but would be >> surprised to learn that a vang is not a standard feature. >> >> --Jason >> Former owner of S/V Cato >> (presently sailing a C22) >> >> On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 1:29 PM Shawn Boles >> wrote: >> >>> Ric - >>> >>> Got any pictures? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Shawn >>> s/v Sweet Baboo >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 16, 2019, 10:11 AM Richard Stott >>> wrote: >>> >>>> The vang can be a very important sail control for any point of sail >>>> other than close-hauled. >>>> I love using mine for broad reaching and dead down- wing-n-wing. >>>> Last year someone mentioned webbing straps with grommets at the mast >>> step. >>>> I bought some webbing and grommets for a few bucks. >>>> The boat came with a simple vang that my dad used for a boom preventer. >>>> Like most Rhodes - there was a bail on the boom but nothing to attach a >>>> vang to at the mast. >>>> It works great. >>>> Ric >>>> sv Dadventure >>>> Hampton Bays >>>> >>>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP >>>> www.stottarchitecture.com >>>> Office 631-283-1777 >>>> Cell 516-965-3164 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Aug 16, 2019, at 12:26 PM, Rick Lange >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Alex, >>>>> >>>>> I don't know what a vang can add to end-boom sheeting, especially >> with >>> an >>>>> IMF mainsail and its loose foot. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Rick Lange >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:57 PM S/V Lark >> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I bought a Vang this spring on sale. I wanted to through bolt a >> bail >>> to >>>>>> the >>>>>> boom and get a couple short straps with eyes to hook to the bolt on >>> the >>>>>> mast >>>>>> step, so I could mount a vang when the top was down , or just tuck >> the >>>>>> straps under the mast and leave the Vang in the drawer as desired. >>> I >>>>>> think somebody did something similar in the archives. I have been >>>>>> hesitant, mostly because I didn?t want to stress the gooseneck and >>> lack >>>> the >>>>>> engineering to know the consequences. I short tack too much to >> rig >>> a >>>>>> preventer style line with a fuse. If nothing else the Vang is one >> of >>>> the >>>>>> few original parts on my alternate boat, therefore overdue to break. >>>> I >>>>>> know it wasn?t money wasted. >>>>>> >>>>>> APS decided nautical fashion is more lucrative then sailing. I just >>>> looked >>>>>> at their 25% off everything sale and began to think again. Does >>>> anybody >>>>>> have feedback? What is the diameter of the boom extrusion? >>>>>> >>>>>> Alex >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Alex Cole >>>>>> S/V Lark >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 31 > Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 13:57:42 -0400 > From: Rick Lange > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Vang bail > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Alex, > > For wing-on-wing sailing, I rig a preventer by running the main outhaul > line from the boom forward cleat to the ring for sheeting the genny clew > inboard. The ring is moved completely forward on the track. > > Generally, waves and wind go together. Also, a vang pulled so tight it > absolutely flattens the sail is not really going to be much help anyway. > > Regards, > > Rick Lange > > >> On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 1:11 PM S/V Lark wrote: >> >> Rick >> >> My concern is the tendency of the boom to lift on a run. Running the >> traveler all the way to the end and having the boom in the raised position >> so the sheet provides more downward force helps some. I'm sure I would >> pick a course closer to a reach if I was on big water, to gain speed, even >> if it meant jibing to get to my destination. In confined spaces there >> are >> times where a run is the most practical course. I think the lack of >> significant waves also makes sail shape more relevant on small water. >> When >> I've been on Erie or Michigan I found the waves would frustratingly keep >> bouncing the sail out of shape if the wind is moderate. You likely have >> far more hours on open water, does this match your observations? >> >> Alex >> >> >> >> ----- >> Alex Cole >> S/V Lark >> -- >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Rhodes22-list mailing list > Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4136, Issue 1 > ********************************************** From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Sun Aug 18 09:31:44 2019 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2019 06:31:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] tiller extension that led to a crack in the fiberglass tiller In-Reply-To: <002601d54e05$c2bbd3b0$48337b10$@ebsmed.com> References: <1565231544819-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <002601d54e05$c2bbd3b0$48337b10$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: <1566135104691-0.post@n5.nabble.com> It appears the problem was due to an issue with how the extension was installed as an add on after purchase from General Boats. I got a replacement tiller extension that has a metal sleeve to provide support to the connection to the extension. After putting some some super glue in the crack and then clamping the tiller with a C clamp, I drilled the larger hole for the new sleeve by expanding the existing hole. I also put down some super glue before inserting the metal sleeve. I also added two stainless screws going horizontally through the tiller, a few inches before and after the metal sleeve, to help keep the crack from spreading. Then I added some x-treme tape as a wrap on either side of the tiller extension to help provide support and this also provides some extra grip. The new setup worked well on the initial sail yesterday. Hopefully it will hold up! Photos for reference in case anyone else runs into something like this: -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Sun Aug 18 09:41:34 2019 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2019 06:41:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Vang bail In-Reply-To: <1565924414543-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1565924414543-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1566135694933-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I just added a vang to my R22. I picked up some used blocks from the local sailboat shop along with some line to thread through for the vang. I ran a dyneema line through the horn cleat at the bottom of the mast on the port side with a small loop on both ends that attach to a snapshackle on the bottom block of the vang. When I take off the vang, I leave the dyneema line tucked around the horn cleat, since my topping lift is no longer tied around that cleat (it's run to the cockpit instead). I riveted an eyestrap to the bottom of the boom to hook a snapshackle on the other block. I plan to only use the vang this when sailing with pop top down. Due to issues with my boom hitting the backstay (apparently my boom is longer than normal), I added another hole in the mast which results in the boom being about 6" lower. I'll be trying out the new setup today. Photos for reference -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu Sun Aug 25 12:24:20 2019 From: C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu (C. Robert Lester) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2019 16:24:20 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 | from VA | Masquerade Message-ID: Normally I don't run into other R22 owners up here in New Hampshire. But last month, I met the new owners of a Rhodes 22, "Masquerade" from Langley, VA. He picked it up at auction and plans to personally sail this one. He also just picked up another for sale at auction? '81 Rhodes 22. Anyone know the story behind "Masquerade"? Bob ORION '84R22 From keywestseccorp at verizon.net Mon Aug 26 09:20:47 2019 From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 13:20:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 | from VA | Masquerade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1710284572.1531464.1566825647212@mail.yahoo.com> if interested (CBMM) Chesapeake Bay Mariner's Museum ? boat auction is this weekend usually 50 to75 boats? dinghy's to yacht they are a great? organization check them out at CBMM list of boats include 95 R22 on trailer? -----Original Message----- From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Mon Aug 26 10:02:16 2019 From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 10:02:16 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 to be auctioned at CBMM Re: Rhodes 22 | from VA | Masquerade In-Reply-To: <1710284572.1531464.1566825647212@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1710284572.1531464.1566825647212@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Here's the link to the description of the boat. Preview is Friday 8/30 at the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum in St. Michaels MD. http://cbmm.org/boat-donation/6215-rhodes-22/ On 8/26/2019 9:20 AM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list wrote: > if interested (CBMM) Chesapeake Bay Mariner's Museum ? boat auction is this weekend usually 50 to75 boats? dinghy's to yacht they are a great? organization check them out at CBMM list of boats include 95 R22 on trailer > > > -----Original Message----- > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From rlowe at vt.edu Mon Aug 26 10:56:09 2019 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 14:56:09 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 to be auctioned at CBMM Re: Rhodes 22 | from VA | Masquerade In-Reply-To: References: <1710284572.1531464.1566825647212@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: She doesn't look in too a shape, except the wasp nest in the head (that would be a deal breaker for my wife). Interesting way to store the mast, never seen anyone store one on the trailer before. - rob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 10:02 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 to be auctioned at CBMM Re: Rhodes 22 | from VA | Masquerade Here's the link to the description of the boat. Preview is Friday 8/30 at the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum in St. Michaels MD. http://cbmm.org/boat-donation/6215-rhodes-22/ On 8/26/2019 9:20 AM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list wrote: > if interested (CBMM) Chesapeake Bay Mariner's Museum ? boat auction is > this weekend usually 50 to75 boats? dinghy's to yacht they are a great? > organization check them out at CBMM list of boats include 95 R22 on > trailer > > > -----Original Message----- > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From gramille at tds.net Tue Aug 27 19:17:21 2019 From: gramille at tds.net (Graham Parker) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 19:17:21 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] List In-Reply-To: References: <9B225293-7796-4BB6-AB63-D8CC37D320CB@optonline.net> <1557871240964-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <3AF63AE8-DAE7-48DE-AD4F-794DB529FFD0@tds.net> Hi everyone, I am a newbie Rhodie and am loving sailing her on Lake Champlain. I have a problem with my batteries though. The solar panels seem to be working too well and toasting the batteries. Is there a voltage regulator somewhere in the system? I am leaving the battery switch on ALL, is that correct? Also has anyone had trouble with their sink water pump sticking on? Lastly, I am using the lower boom setting at anything approaching 15 knots, am I being chicken? It really heels a lot in higher gusts unless I reduce the 135% genoa. I do love being able to reef on the fly! Any help much appreciated Cheers Graham Parker > On May 15, 2019, at 00:37, Mike Riter wrote: > > Yeah, I?m also shopping for a new bow light after a dock encounter last > week. > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 5:00 PM gramille wrote: > >> Hi Peter - I have been enjoying your adventures on Silverheels via YouTube >> and am about to purchase a Rhodes 22 to replace my Compac Suncat 17. I >> would >> love to talk with you about some of your innovations - especially the >> whisker pole. Not sure about the etiquette on this forum but a call to 802 >> 245 4707 would be appreciated! >> >> Graham Parker. >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >> > -- > Michael Riter > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training > mike at traildesign.com > 678-410-8021 From shawn.sustain at gmail.com Tue Aug 27 21:37:29 2019 From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 18:37:29 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] List In-Reply-To: <3AF63AE8-DAE7-48DE-AD4F-794DB529FFD0@tds.net> References: <9B225293-7796-4BB6-AB63-D8CC37D320CB@optonline.net> <1557871240964-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <3AF63AE8-DAE7-48DE-AD4F-794DB529FFD0@tds.net> Message-ID: Hi: No, you are not being chicken! Low boom is, IMHO, sensible above 15 mph, especially if you want to sail flat. According to DaList she will sail under control at 28 mph, although 20 is as high as I have gone while lake sailing. Stan provides all sorts of controls for you to trim the boat to conditions. As an example, check out the second set of fairleads if you want some pointing ability in stiff winds. As an aside, I'm curious as to how others set their sails under various conditions. Anybody willing to share your wisdom? cheers, Shawn s/v Sweet Baboo On Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 4:17 PM Graham Parker wrote: > Hi everyone, I am a newbie Rhodie and am loving sailing her on Lake > Champlain. I have a problem with my batteries though. The solar panels seem > to be working too well and toasting the batteries. Is there a voltage > regulator somewhere in the system? I am leaving the battery switch on ALL, > is that correct? > Also has anyone had trouble with their sink water pump sticking on? > Lastly, I am using the lower boom setting at anything approaching 15 > knots, am I being chicken? > It really heels a lot in higher gusts unless I reduce the 135% genoa. I > do love being able to reef on the fly! > Any help much appreciated > Cheers > Graham Parker > > > On May 15, 2019, at 00:37, Mike Riter wrote: > > > > Yeah, I?m also shopping for a new bow light after a dock encounter last > > week. > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 5:00 PM gramille wrote: > > > >> Hi Peter - I have been enjoying your adventures on Silverheels via > YouTube > >> and am about to purchase a Rhodes 22 to replace my Compac Suncat 17. I > >> would > >> love to talk with you about some of your innovations - especially the > >> whisker pole. Not sure about the etiquette on this forum but a call to > 802 > >> 245 4707 would be appreciated! > >> > >> Graham Parker. > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > >> > > -- > > Michael Riter > > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. > > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training > > mike at traildesign.com > > 678-410-8021 > > From alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com Tue Aug 27 22:49:48 2019 From: alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com (Alexis Seigneurin) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 02:49:48 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] List In-Reply-To: References: <9B225293-7796-4BB6-AB63-D8CC37D320CB@optonline.net> <1557871240964-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <3AF63AE8-DAE7-48DE-AD4F-794DB529FFD0@tds.net>, Message-ID: Hi, Ok, I am curious to hear more about sail configurations and trim in heavy wind! I have been struggling a little... For instance, I went out on Saturday. Good breeze, probably 12-15 knots. I was on a close reach. I had the jib (115, I believe) and the main, both almost fully out, and both properly trimmed. The boat was heeling a little. Then came a few gusts >20 knots. The boat heeled severely and I had to quickly release the main sheet to get back to something more manageable. I eventually had to sail with just the jib out, because sailing with the main would heel the boat too much. >From a general point of view, I find it easier to sail with the jib alone rather than the main alone under strong winds, although the opposite is usually recommended... Another thing I find difficult is to reef / furl the main while under sail. It is virtually impossible to do so on a starboard tack, as my main furls clockwise. I usually find it easier to start the engine to point the boat into the wind while I furl the main. Last thing is you are mentioning boom settings. I didn?t know there were lower or higher settings! Can you explain? Any advice welcome! Thanks, Alexis ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Shawn Boles Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 9:27 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] List Hi: No, you are not being chicken! Low boom is, IMHO, sensible above 15 mph, especially if you want to sail flat. According to DaList she will sail under control at 28 mph, although 20 is as high as I have gone while lake sailing. Stan provides all sorts of controls for you to trim the boat to conditions. As an example, check out the second set of fairleads if you want some pointing ability in stiff winds. As an aside, I'm curious as to how others set their sails under various conditions. Anybody willing to share your wisdom? cheers, Shawn s/v Sweet Baboo On Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 4:17 PM Graham Parker wrote: > Hi everyone, I am a newbie Rhodie and am loving sailing her on Lake > Champlain. I have a problem with my batteries though. The solar panels seem > to be working too well and toasting the batteries. Is there a voltage > regulator somewhere in the system? I am leaving the battery switch on ALL, > is that correct? > Also has anyone had trouble with their sink water pump sticking on? > Lastly, I am using the lower boom setting at anything approaching 15 > knots, am I being chicken? > It really heels a lot in higher gusts unless I reduce the 135% genoa. I > do love being able to reef on the fly! > Any help much appreciated > Cheers > Graham Parker > > > On May 15, 2019, at 00:37, Mike Riter wrote: > > > > Yeah, I?m also shopping for a new bow light after a dock encounter last > > week. > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 5:00 PM gramille wrote: > > > >> Hi Peter - I have been enjoying your adventures on Silverheels via > YouTube > >> and am about to purchase a Rhodes 22 to replace my Compac Suncat 17. I > >> would > >> love to talk with you about some of your innovations - especially the > >> whisker pole. Not sure about the etiquette on this forum but a call to > 802 > >> 245 4707 would be appreciated! > >> > >> Graham Parker. > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > >> > > -- > > Michael Riter > > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. > > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training > > mike at traildesign.com > > 678-410-8021 > > From shawn.sustain at gmail.com Tue Aug 27 23:42:50 2019 From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 20:42:50 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] List In-Reply-To: References: <9B225293-7796-4BB6-AB63-D8CC37D320CB@optonline.net> <1557871240964-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <3AF63AE8-DAE7-48DE-AD4F-794DB529FFD0@tds.net> Message-ID: Alexis: I reccomend sailing with both sails. The boat is designed to do so. The boom can be in one of two positions - low, with the pop top down and high, with the pop top up. With the boom low you have effectively reefed the sail by lowering the center of effort. You can also reef by rolling in either/both sails to point where boat sails flat. You want things balanced. (Ah, the Zen of sailing - hey, couldn't resist) Some also consider the traveler a reefing control. It uncouples the mainsail leech tension from the sail trim. Downwind decreases mainsail power and heel. Upwind only in light airs. Way downwind is what I was taught to call a fisherman reef. Bitter experience has taught me to set the sails for the maximum conditions I think I will encounter , especially the boom height. Others probably do things differently. Cheers, Shawn s/v Sweet Baboo On Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 7:49 PM Alexis Seigneurin wrote: > Hi, > > Ok, I am curious to hear more about sail configurations and trim in heavy > wind! I have been struggling a little... > > For instance, I went out on Saturday. Good breeze, probably 12-15 knots. I > was on a close reach. I had the jib (115, I believe) and the main, both > almost fully out, and both properly trimmed. The boat was heeling a little. > Then came a few gusts >20 knots. The boat heeled severely and I had to > quickly release the main sheet to get back to something more manageable. I > eventually had to sail with just the jib out, because sailing with the main > would heel the boat too much. > > From a general point of view, I find it easier to sail with the jib alone > rather than the main alone under strong winds, although the opposite is > usually recommended... > > Another thing I find difficult is to reef / furl the main while under > sail. It is virtually impossible to do so on a starboard tack, as my main > furls clockwise. I usually find it easier to start the engine to point the > boat into the wind while I furl the main. > > Last thing is you are mentioning boom settings. I didn?t know there were > lower or higher settings! Can you explain? > > Any advice welcome! > > Thanks, > Alexis > > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Shawn Boles > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 9:27 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] List > > Hi: > > No, you are not being chicken! Low boom is, IMHO, sensible above 15 mph, > especially if you want to sail flat. According to DaList she will sail > under control at 28 mph, although 20 is as high as I have gone while lake > sailing. Stan provides all sorts of controls for you to trim the boat to > conditions. As an example, check out the second set of fairleads if you > want some pointing ability in stiff winds. > > As an aside, I'm curious as to how others set their sails under various > conditions. Anybody willing to share your wisdom? > > cheers, > > Shawn > > s/v Sweet Baboo > > > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 4:17 PM Graham Parker wrote: > > > Hi everyone, I am a newbie Rhodie and am loving sailing her on Lake > > Champlain. I have a problem with my batteries though. The solar panels > seem > > to be working too well and toasting the batteries. Is there a voltage > > regulator somewhere in the system? I am leaving the battery switch on > ALL, > > is that correct? > > Also has anyone had trouble with their sink water pump sticking on? > > Lastly, I am using the lower boom setting at anything approaching 15 > > knots, am I being chicken? > > It really heels a lot in higher gusts unless I reduce the 135% genoa. I > > do love being able to reef on the fly! > > Any help much appreciated > > Cheers > > Graham Parker > > > > > On May 15, 2019, at 00:37, Mike Riter wrote: > > > > > > Yeah, I?m also shopping for a new bow light after a dock encounter last > > > week. > > > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 5:00 PM gramille wrote: > > > > > >> Hi Peter - I have been enjoying your adventures on Silverheels via > > YouTube > > >> and am about to purchase a Rhodes 22 to replace my Compac Suncat 17. I > > >> would > > >> love to talk with you about some of your innovations - especially the > > >> whisker pole. Not sure about the etiquette on this forum but a call to > > 802 > > >> 245 4707 would be appreciated! > > >> > > >> Graham Parker. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > >> > > > -- > > > Michael Riter > > > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. > > > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training > > > mike at traildesign.com > > > 678-410-8021 > > > > > From hnw555 at gmail.com Wed Aug 28 07:47:16 2019 From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 07:47:16 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] List In-Reply-To: <3AF63AE8-DAE7-48DE-AD4F-794DB529FFD0@tds.net> References: <9B225293-7796-4BB6-AB63-D8CC37D320CB@optonline.net> <1557871240964-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <3AF63AE8-DAE7-48DE-AD4F-794DB529FFD0@tds.net> Message-ID: Graham, West Marine sells a variety of solar panel controllers and the are not that expensive. See https://www.westmarine.com/search?Ntt=solar+panel+controller Hank On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 7:17 PM Graham Parker wrote: > Hi everyone, I am a newbie Rhodie and am loving sailing her on Lake > Champlain. I have a problem with my batteries though. The solar panels seem > to be working too well and toasting the batteries. Is there a voltage > regulator somewhere in the system? I am leaving the battery switch on ALL, > is that correct? > Also has anyone had trouble with their sink water pump sticking on? > Lastly, I am using the lower boom setting at anything approaching 15 > knots, am I being chicken? > It really heels a lot in higher gusts unless I reduce the 135% genoa. I > do love being able to reef on the fly! > Any help much appreciated > Cheers > Graham Parker > > > On May 15, 2019, at 00:37, Mike Riter wrote: > > > > Yeah, I?m also shopping for a new bow light after a dock encounter last > > week. > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 5:00 PM gramille wrote: > > > >> Hi Peter - I have been enjoying your adventures on Silverheels via > YouTube > >> and am about to purchase a Rhodes 22 to replace my Compac Suncat 17. I > >> would > >> love to talk with you about some of your innovations - especially the > >> whisker pole. Not sure about the etiquette on this forum but a call to > 802 > >> 245 4707 would be appreciated! > >> > >> Graham Parker. > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > >> > > -- > > Michael Riter > > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. > > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training > > mike at traildesign.com > > 678-410-8021 > > From ccowie at cowieassociates.com Wed Aug 28 09:00:59 2019 From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 13:00:59 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] List In-Reply-To: References: <9B225293-7796-4BB6-AB63-D8CC37D320CB@optonline.net> <1557871240964-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <3AF63AE8-DAE7-48DE-AD4F-794DB529FFD0@tds.net> Message-ID: I agree with Shawn. In heavy wind just let the main and jib out part way. In a heavy gust let the main sheet out a bit first. You can also play the gust by turning slightly into the wind until just a bit of the main and jib begin to luff and play back and forth into and away from the wind to manage the amount of heal until the gust passes. Christopher P. Cowie? ?? 700 N Fairfax Street Suite 304 Alexandria, Virginia 22314 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] Please consider the environment before printing this email. -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Shawn Boles Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 11:43 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] List Alexis: I reccomend sailing with both sails. The boat is designed to do so. The boom can be in one of two positions - low, with the pop top down and high, with the pop top up. With the boom low you have effectively reefed the sail by lowering the center of effort. You can also reef by rolling in either/both sails to point where boat sails flat. You want things balanced. (Ah, the Zen of sailing - hey, couldn't resist) Some also consider the traveler a reefing control. It uncouples the mainsail leech tension from the sail trim. Downwind decreases mainsail power and heel. Upwind only in light airs. Way downwind is what I was taught to call a fisherman reef. Bitter experience has taught me to set the sails for the maximum conditions I think I will encounter , especially the boom height. Others probably do things differently. Cheers, Shawn s/v Sweet Baboo On Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 7:49 PM Alexis Seigneurin wrote: > Hi, > > Ok, I am curious to hear more about sail configurations and trim in > heavy wind! I have been struggling a little... > > For instance, I went out on Saturday. Good breeze, probably 12-15 > knots. I was on a close reach. I had the jib (115, I believe) and the > main, both almost fully out, and both properly trimmed. The boat was heeling a little. > Then came a few gusts >20 knots. The boat heeled severely and I had to > quickly release the main sheet to get back to something more > manageable. I eventually had to sail with just the jib out, because > sailing with the main would heel the boat too much. > > From a general point of view, I find it easier to sail with the jib > alone rather than the main alone under strong winds, although the > opposite is usually recommended... > > Another thing I find difficult is to reef / furl the main while under > sail. It is virtually impossible to do so on a starboard tack, as my > main furls clockwise. I usually find it easier to start the engine to > point the boat into the wind while I furl the main. > > Last thing is you are mentioning boom settings. I didn?t know there > were lower or higher settings! Can you explain? > > Any advice welcome! > > Thanks, > Alexis > > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Shawn Boles > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 9:27 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] List > > Hi: > > No, you are not being chicken! Low boom is, IMHO, sensible above 15 > mph, especially if you want to sail flat. According to DaList she will > sail under control at 28 mph, although 20 is as high as I have gone > while lake sailing. Stan provides all sorts of controls for you to > trim the boat to conditions. As an example, check out the second set > of fairleads if you want some pointing ability in stiff winds. > > As an aside, I'm curious as to how others set their sails under > various conditions. Anybody willing to share your wisdom? > > cheers, > > Shawn > > s/v Sweet Baboo > > > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 4:17 PM Graham Parker wrote: > > > Hi everyone, I am a newbie Rhodie and am loving sailing her on Lake > > Champlain. I have a problem with my batteries though. The solar > > panels > seem > > to be working too well and toasting the batteries. Is there a > > voltage regulator somewhere in the system? I am leaving the battery > > switch on > ALL, > > is that correct? > > Also has anyone had trouble with their sink water pump sticking on? > > Lastly, I am using the lower boom setting at anything approaching 15 > > knots, am I being chicken? > > It really heels a lot in higher gusts unless I reduce the 135% > > genoa. I do love being able to reef on the fly! > > Any help much appreciated > > Cheers > > Graham Parker > > > > > On May 15, 2019, at 00:37, Mike Riter wrote: > > > > > > Yeah, I?m also shopping for a new bow light after a dock encounter > > > last week. > > > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 5:00 PM gramille wrote: > > > > > >> Hi Peter - I have been enjoying your adventures on Silverheels > > >> via > > YouTube > > >> and am about to purchase a Rhodes 22 to replace my Compac Suncat > > >> 17. I would love to talk with you about some of your innovations > > >> - especially the whisker pole. Not sure about the etiquette on > > >> this forum but a call to > > 802 > > >> 245 4707 would be appreciated! > > >> > > >> Graham Parker. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > >> > > > -- > > > Michael Riter > > > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. > > > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training > > > mike at traildesign.com > > > 678-410-8021 > > > > > From cjlowe at sssnet.com Wed Aug 28 11:26:55 2019 From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 11:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] List In-Reply-To: References: <9B225293-7796-4BB6-AB63-D8CC37D320CB@optonline.net> <1557871240964-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <3AF63AE8-DAE7-48DE-AD4F-794DB529FFD0@tds.net> Message-ID: <50132.24.140.30.102.1567006015.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> I like to hove-to when I want to reef the sails when the wind picks up. Just go from a starboard tack to a port tack without releasing the jib, the boat will wallow back and forth as the wind switches from powering up the main sail to powering up the jib, reef the main sail when the wind is on the jib. Then reef the jib when the wind is on the main sail. You don't have to reef all at once, you will get used to knowing how much to reef by how much heel you eliminate with your first reef. You can also figure out the balance of the sails by how it hove-to's. I prefer to reef instead of lowering the boom unless I'm really scared. Jerry Lowe S/V Country Rhodes '86 I agree with Shawn. In heavy wind just let the main and jib out part way. > In a heavy gust let the main sheet out a bit first. You can also play > the gust by turning slightly into the wind until just a bit of the main > and jib begin to luff and play back and forth into and away from the wind > to manage the amount of heal until the gust passes. > > Christopher P. Cowie?? ???? > > 700 N Fairfax Street > Suite 304 > Alexandria, Virginia 22314 > 703.717.9103 ex.204 ??? 202.270.1470 mobile > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] > > > > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Shawn Boles > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 11:43 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] List > > Alexis: > > I reccomend sailing with both sails. The boat is designed to do so. > > > The boom can be in one of two positions - low, with the pop top down and > high, with the pop top up. With the boom low you have effectively reefed > the sail by lowering the center of effort. > > You can also reef by rolling in either/both sails to point where boat > sails flat. You want things balanced. (Ah, the Zen of sailing - hey, > couldn't > resist) > > Some also consider the traveler a reefing control. It uncouples the > mainsail leech tension from the sail trim. Downwind decreases mainsail > power and heel. Upwind only in light airs. Way downwind is what I was > taught to call a fisherman reef. > > Bitter experience has taught me to set the sails for the maximum > conditions I think I will encounter , especially the boom height. Others > probably do things differently. > > Cheers, > Shawn > > s/v Sweet Baboo > > > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 7:49 PM Alexis Seigneurin > > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Ok, I am curious to hear more about sail configurations and trim in >> heavy wind! I have been struggling a little... >> >> For instance, I went out on Saturday. Good breeze, probably 12-15 >> knots. I was on a close reach. I had the jib (115, I believe) and the >> main, both almost fully out, and both properly trimmed. The boat was >> heeling a little. >> Then came a few gusts >20 knots. The boat heeled severely and I had to >> quickly release the main sheet to get back to something more >> manageable. I eventually had to sail with just the jib out, because >> sailing with the main would heel the boat too much. >> >> From a general point of view, I find it easier to sail with the jib >> alone rather than the main alone under strong winds, although the >> opposite is usually recommended... >> >> Another thing I find difficult is to reef / furl the main while under >> sail. It is virtually impossible to do so on a starboard tack, as my >> main furls clockwise. I usually find it easier to start the engine to >> point the boat into the wind while I furl the main. >> >> Last thing is you are mentioning boom settings. I didn???t know there >> were lower or higher settings! Can you explain? >> >> Any advice welcome! >> >> Thanks, >> Alexis >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of >> Shawn Boles >> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 9:27 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] List >> >> Hi: >> >> No, you are not being chicken! Low boom is, IMHO, sensible above 15 >> mph, especially if you want to sail flat. According to DaList she will >> sail under control at 28 mph, although 20 is as high as I have gone >> while lake sailing. Stan provides all sorts of controls for you to >> trim the boat to conditions. As an example, check out the second set >> of fairleads if you want some pointing ability in stiff winds. >> >> As an aside, I'm curious as to how others set their sails under >> various conditions. Anybody willing to share your wisdom? >> >> cheers, >> >> Shawn >> >> s/v Sweet Baboo >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 4:17 PM Graham Parker wrote: >> >> > Hi everyone, I am a newbie Rhodie and am loving sailing her on Lake >> > Champlain. I have a problem with my batteries though. The solar >> > panels >> seem >> > to be working too well and toasting the batteries. Is there a >> > voltage regulator somewhere in the system? I am leaving the battery >> > switch on >> ALL, >> > is that correct? >> > Also has anyone had trouble with their sink water pump sticking on? >> > Lastly, I am using the lower boom setting at anything approaching 15 >> > knots, am I being chicken? >> > It really heels a lot in higher gusts unless I reduce the 135% >> > genoa. I do love being able to reef on the fly! >> > Any help much appreciated >> > Cheers >> > Graham Parker >> > >> > > On May 15, 2019, at 00:37, Mike Riter wrote: >> > > >> > > Yeah, I???m also shopping for a new bow light after a dock encounter >> > > last week. >> > > >> > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 5:00 PM gramille wrote: >> > > >> > >> Hi Peter - I have been enjoying your adventures on Silverheels >> > >> via >> > YouTube >> > >> and am about to purchase a Rhodes 22 to replace my Compac Suncat >> > >> 17. I would love to talk with you about some of your innovations >> > >> - especially the whisker pole. Not sure about the etiquette on >> > >> this forum but a call to >> > 802 >> > >> 245 4707 would be appreciated! >> > >> >> > >> Graham Parker. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> -- >> > >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >> > >> >> > > -- >> > > Michael Riter >> > > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. >> > > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training >> > > mike at traildesign.com >> > > 678-410-8021 >> > >> > >> > From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com Wed Aug 28 12:39:03 2019 From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 12:39:03 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Dorian Message-ID: <0AE2C852-15CC-41F4-80B6-812724E4A00E@gmail.com> Hurricane was upgraded to hit titusville Florida as a category 3 Bob (palatka) From michael.4591 at gmail.com Wed Aug 28 19:58:08 2019 From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 19:58:08 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] List In-Reply-To: <50132.24.140.30.102.1567006015.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> References: <9B225293-7796-4BB6-AB63-D8CC37D320CB@optonline.net> <1557871240964-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <3AF63AE8-DAE7-48DE-AD4F-794DB529FFD0@tds.net> <50132.24.140.30.102.1567006015.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: All good advice. The Rhodes is a "tender" boat and heels easily, but once the flared hull digs in she is very steady, and unsinkable! I still remember what Elton told me during our delivery sail some 24 years ago; When in trouble just let go of everything and the boat will take care of itself by rounding into the wind. Mike Corley S/V Ranger Hampton Roads, VA. On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 11:26 AM wrote: > > I like to hove-to when I want to reef the sails when the wind picks up. > Just go from a starboard tack to a port tack without releasing the jib, > the boat will wallow back and forth as the wind switches from powering up > the main sail to powering up the jib, reef the main sail when the wind is > on the jib. Then reef the jib when the wind is on the main sail. You don't > have to reef all at once, you will get used to knowing how much to reef by > how much heel you eliminate with your first reef. You can also figure out > the balance of the sails by how it hove-to's. I prefer to reef instead of > lowering the boom unless I'm really scared. > > Jerry Lowe > S/V Country Rhodes '86 > > > > I agree with Shawn. In heavy wind just let the main and jib out part way. > > In a heavy gust let the main sheet out a bit first. You can also play > > the gust by turning slightly into the wind until just a bit of the main > > and jib begin to luff and play back and forth into and away from the wind > > to manage the amount of heal until the gust passes. > > > > Christopher P. Cowie > > > > 700 N Fairfax Street > > Suite 304 > > Alexandria, Virginia 22314 > > 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile > > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] > > > > > > > > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > > Shawn Boles > > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 11:43 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] List > > > > Alexis: > > > > I reccomend sailing with both sails. The boat is designed to do so. > > > > > > The boom can be in one of two positions - low, with the pop top down and > > high, with the pop top up. With the boom low you have effectively reefed > > the sail by lowering the center of effort. > > > > You can also reef by rolling in either/both sails to point where boat > > sails flat. You want things balanced. (Ah, the Zen of sailing - hey, > > couldn't > > resist) > > > > Some also consider the traveler a reefing control. It uncouples the > > mainsail leech tension from the sail trim. Downwind decreases mainsail > > power and heel. Upwind only in light airs. Way downwind is what I was > > taught to call a fisherman reef. > > > > Bitter experience has taught me to set the sails for the maximum > > conditions I think I will encounter , especially the boom height. Others > > probably do things differently. > > > > Cheers, > > Shawn > > > > s/v Sweet Baboo > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 7:49 PM Alexis Seigneurin > > > > wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> Ok, I am curious to hear more about sail configurations and trim in > >> heavy wind! I have been struggling a little... > >> > >> For instance, I went out on Saturday. Good breeze, probably 12-15 > >> knots. I was on a close reach. I had the jib (115, I believe) and the > >> main, both almost fully out, and both properly trimmed. The boat was > >> heeling a little. > >> Then came a few gusts >20 knots. The boat heeled severely and I had to > >> quickly release the main sheet to get back to something more > >> manageable. I eventually had to sail with just the jib out, because > >> sailing with the main would heel the boat too much. > >> > >> From a general point of view, I find it easier to sail with the jib > >> alone rather than the main alone under strong winds, although the > >> opposite is usually recommended... > >> > >> Another thing I find difficult is to reef / furl the main while under > >> sail. It is virtually impossible to do so on a starboard tack, as my > >> main furls clockwise. I usually find it easier to start the engine to > >> point the boat into the wind while I furl the main. > >> > >> Last thing is you are mentioning boom settings. I didn?t know there > >> were lower or higher settings! Can you explain? > >> > >> Any advice welcome! > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Alexis > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > >> Shawn Boles > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 9:27 PM > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] List > >> > >> Hi: > >> > >> No, you are not being chicken! Low boom is, IMHO, sensible above 15 > >> mph, especially if you want to sail flat. According to DaList she will > >> sail under control at 28 mph, although 20 is as high as I have gone > >> while lake sailing. Stan provides all sorts of controls for you to > >> trim the boat to conditions. As an example, check out the second set > >> of fairleads if you want some pointing ability in stiff winds. > >> > >> As an aside, I'm curious as to how others set their sails under > >> various conditions. Anybody willing to share your wisdom? > >> > >> cheers, > >> > >> Shawn > >> > >> s/v Sweet Baboo > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 4:17 PM Graham Parker wrote: > >> > >> > Hi everyone, I am a newbie Rhodie and am loving sailing her on Lake > >> > Champlain. I have a problem with my batteries though. The solar > >> > panels > >> seem > >> > to be working too well and toasting the batteries. Is there a > >> > voltage regulator somewhere in the system? I am leaving the battery > >> > switch on > >> ALL, > >> > is that correct? > >> > Also has anyone had trouble with their sink water pump sticking on? > >> > Lastly, I am using the lower boom setting at anything approaching 15 > >> > knots, am I being chicken? > >> > It really heels a lot in higher gusts unless I reduce the 135% > >> > genoa. I do love being able to reef on the fly! > >> > Any help much appreciated > >> > Cheers > >> > Graham Parker > >> > > >> > > On May 15, 2019, at 00:37, Mike Riter wrote: > >> > > > >> > > Yeah, I?m also shopping for a new bow light after a dock encounter > >> > > last week. > >> > > > >> > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 5:00 PM gramille wrote: > >> > > > >> > >> Hi Peter - I have been enjoying your adventures on Silverheels > >> > >> via > >> > YouTube > >> > >> and am about to purchase a Rhodes 22 to replace my Compac Suncat > >> > >> 17. I would love to talk with you about some of your innovations > >> > >> - especially the whisker pole. Not sure about the etiquette on > >> > >> this forum but a call to > >> > 802 > >> > >> 245 4707 would be appreciated! > >> > >> > >> > >> Graham Parker. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > >> > >> > >> > > -- > >> > > Michael Riter > >> > > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. > >> > > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training > >> > > mike at traildesign.com > >> > > 678-410-8021 > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > From ccowie at cowieassociates.com Wed Aug 28 20:00:59 2019 From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 00:00:59 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] List In-Reply-To: References: <9B225293-7796-4BB6-AB63-D8CC37D320CB@optonline.net> <1557871240964-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <3AF63AE8-DAE7-48DE-AD4F-794DB529FFD0@tds.net> <50132.24.140.30.102.1567006015.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>, Message-ID: <005B1893-F992-4810-A903-F0845726C08D@cowieassociates.com> Good advice from Elton Please note our new office address and phone number Christopher P. Cowie [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] 700 N Fairfax Street Suite 304 Alexandria, Virginia 22314 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] [cid:image001.jpg at 01D24014.7A2D04E0] Please consider the environment before printing this email. On Aug 28, 2019, at 7:58 PM, Michael Corley > wrote: All good advice. The Rhodes is a "tender" boat and heels easily, but once the flared hull digs in she is very steady, and unsinkable! I still remember what Elton told me during our delivery sail some 24 years ago; When in trouble just let go of everything and the boat will take care of itself by rounding into the wind. Mike Corley S/V Ranger Hampton Roads, VA. On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 11:26 AM > wrote: I like to hove-to when I want to reef the sails when the wind picks up. Just go from a starboard tack to a port tack without releasing the jib, the boat will wallow back and forth as the wind switches from powering up the main sail to powering up the jib, reef the main sail when the wind is on the jib. Then reef the jib when the wind is on the main sail. You don't have to reef all at once, you will get used to knowing how much to reef by how much heel you eliminate with your first reef. You can also figure out the balance of the sails by how it hove-to's. I prefer to reef instead of lowering the boom unless I'm really scared. Jerry Lowe S/V Country Rhodes '86 I agree with Shawn. In heavy wind just let the main and jib out part way. In a heavy gust let the main sheet out a bit first. You can also play the gust by turning slightly into the wind until just a bit of the main and jib begin to luff and play back and forth into and away from the wind to manage the amount of heal until the gust passes. Christopher P. Cowie 700 N Fairfax Street Suite 304 Alexandria, Virginia 22314 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] Please consider the environment before printing this email. -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list > On Behalf Of Shawn Boles Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 11:43 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] List Alexis: I reccomend sailing with both sails. The boat is designed to do so. The boom can be in one of two positions - low, with the pop top down and high, with the pop top up. With the boom low you have effectively reefed the sail by lowering the center of effort. You can also reef by rolling in either/both sails to point where boat sails flat. You want things balanced. (Ah, the Zen of sailing - hey, couldn't resist) Some also consider the traveler a reefing control. It uncouples the mainsail leech tension from the sail trim. Downwind decreases mainsail power and heel. Upwind only in light airs. Way downwind is what I was taught to call a fisherman reef. Bitter experience has taught me to set the sails for the maximum conditions I think I will encounter , especially the boom height. Others probably do things differently. Cheers, Shawn s/v Sweet Baboo On Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 7:49 PM Alexis Seigneurin > wrote: Hi, Ok, I am curious to hear more about sail configurations and trim in heavy wind! I have been struggling a little... For instance, I went out on Saturday. Good breeze, probably 12-15 knots. I was on a close reach. I had the jib (115, I believe) and the main, both almost fully out, and both properly trimmed. The boat was heeling a little. Then came a few gusts >20 knots. The boat heeled severely and I had to quickly release the main sheet to get back to something more manageable. I eventually had to sail with just the jib out, because sailing with the main would heel the boat too much. From a general point of view, I find it easier to sail with the jib alone rather than the main alone under strong winds, although the opposite is usually recommended... Another thing I find difficult is to reef / furl the main while under sail. It is virtually impossible to do so on a starboard tack, as my main furls clockwise. I usually find it easier to start the engine to point the boat into the wind while I furl the main. Last thing is you are mentioning boom settings. I didn?t know there were lower or higher settings! Can you explain? Any advice welcome! Thanks, Alexis ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list > on behalf of Shawn Boles > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 9:27 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] List Hi: No, you are not being chicken! Low boom is, IMHO, sensible above 15 mph, especially if you want to sail flat. According to DaList she will sail under control at 28 mph, although 20 is as high as I have gone while lake sailing. Stan provides all sorts of controls for you to trim the boat to conditions. As an example, check out the second set of fairleads if you want some pointing ability in stiff winds. As an aside, I'm curious as to how others set their sails under various conditions. Anybody willing to share your wisdom? cheers, Shawn s/v Sweet Baboo On Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 4:17 PM Graham Parker > wrote: Hi everyone, I am a newbie Rhodie and am loving sailing her on Lake Champlain. I have a problem with my batteries though. The solar panels seem to be working too well and toasting the batteries. Is there a voltage regulator somewhere in the system? I am leaving the battery switch on ALL, is that correct? Also has anyone had trouble with their sink water pump sticking on? Lastly, I am using the lower boom setting at anything approaching 15 knots, am I being chicken? It really heels a lot in higher gusts unless I reduce the 135% genoa. I do love being able to reef on the fly! Any help much appreciated Cheers Graham Parker On May 15, 2019, at 00:37, Mike Riter > wrote: Yeah, I?m also shopping for a new bow light after a dock encounter last week. On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 5:00 PM gramille > wrote: Hi Peter - I have been enjoying your adventures on Silverheels via YouTube and am about to purchase a Rhodes 22 to replace my Compac Suncat 17. I would love to talk with you about some of your innovations - especially the whisker pole. Not sure about the etiquette on this forum but a call to 802 245 4707 would be appreciated! Graham Parker. -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ -- Michael Riter President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training mike at traildesign.com 678-410-8021 From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Wed Aug 28 21:46:49 2019 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 21:46:49 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] List In-Reply-To: References: <9B225293-7796-4BB6-AB63-D8CC37D320CB@optonline.net> <1557871240964-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <3AF63AE8-DAE7-48DE-AD4F-794DB529FFD0@tds.net> <50132.24.140.30.102.1567006015.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: <038d01d55e0b$a01cf080$e056d180$@ca> In my experience the boat takes care of itself even when I do everything wrong. I do that often and the fact that I am alive is testament to the self-correcting ability of this little beauty. Graham Graham Stewart Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael Corley Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 7:58 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] List All good advice. The Rhodes is a "tender" boat and heels easily, but once the flared hull digs in she is very steady, and unsinkable! I still remember what Elton told me during our delivery sail some 24 years ago; When in trouble just let go of everything and the boat will take care of itself by rounding into the wind. Mike Corley S/V Ranger Hampton Roads, VA. On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 11:26 AM wrote: > > I like to hove-to when I want to reef the sails when the wind picks up. > Just go from a starboard tack to a port tack without releasing the jib, > the boat will wallow back and forth as the wind switches from powering up > the main sail to powering up the jib, reef the main sail when the wind is > on the jib. Then reef the jib when the wind is on the main sail. You don't > have to reef all at once, you will get used to knowing how much to reef by > how much heel you eliminate with your first reef. You can also figure out > the balance of the sails by how it hove-to's. I prefer to reef instead of > lowering the boom unless I'm really scared. > > Jerry Lowe > S/V Country Rhodes '86 > > > > I agree with Shawn. In heavy wind just let the main and jib out part way. > > In a heavy gust let the main sheet out a bit first. You can also play > > the gust by turning slightly into the wind until just a bit of the main > > and jib begin to luff and play back and forth into and away from the wind > > to manage the amount of heal until the gust passes. > > > > Christopher P. Cowie > > > > 700 N Fairfax Street > > Suite 304 > > Alexandria, Virginia 22314 > > 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile > > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] > > > > > > > > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > > Shawn Boles > > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 11:43 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] List > > > > Alexis: > > > > I reccomend sailing with both sails. The boat is designed to do so. > > > > > > The boom can be in one of two positions - low, with the pop top down and > > high, with the pop top up. With the boom low you have effectively reefed > > the sail by lowering the center of effort. > > > > You can also reef by rolling in either/both sails to point where boat > > sails flat. You want things balanced. (Ah, the Zen of sailing - hey, > > couldn't > > resist) > > > > Some also consider the traveler a reefing control. It uncouples the > > mainsail leech tension from the sail trim. Downwind decreases mainsail > > power and heel. Upwind only in light airs. Way downwind is what I was > > taught to call a fisherman reef. > > > > Bitter experience has taught me to set the sails for the maximum > > conditions I think I will encounter , especially the boom height. Others > > probably do things differently. > > > > Cheers, > > Shawn > > > > s/v Sweet Baboo > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 7:49 PM Alexis Seigneurin > > > > wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> Ok, I am curious to hear more about sail configurations and trim in > >> heavy wind! I have been struggling a little... > >> > >> For instance, I went out on Saturday. Good breeze, probably 12-15 > >> knots. I was on a close reach. I had the jib (115, I believe) and the > >> main, both almost fully out, and both properly trimmed. The boat was > >> heeling a little. > >> Then came a few gusts >20 knots. The boat heeled severely and I had to > >> quickly release the main sheet to get back to something more > >> manageable. I eventually had to sail with just the jib out, because > >> sailing with the main would heel the boat too much. > >> > >> From a general point of view, I find it easier to sail with the jib > >> alone rather than the main alone under strong winds, although the > >> opposite is usually recommended... > >> > >> Another thing I find difficult is to reef / furl the main while under > >> sail. It is virtually impossible to do so on a starboard tack, as my > >> main furls clockwise. I usually find it easier to start the engine to > >> point the boat into the wind while I furl the main. > >> > >> Last thing is you are mentioning boom settings. I didn?t know there > >> were lower or higher settings! Can you explain? > >> > >> Any advice welcome! > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Alexis > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > >> Shawn Boles > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 9:27 PM > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] List > >> > >> Hi: > >> > >> No, you are not being chicken! Low boom is, IMHO, sensible above 15 > >> mph, especially if you want to sail flat. According to DaList she will > >> sail under control at 28 mph, although 20 is as high as I have gone > >> while lake sailing. Stan provides all sorts of controls for you to > >> trim the boat to conditions. As an example, check out the second set > >> of fairleads if you want some pointing ability in stiff winds. > >> > >> As an aside, I'm curious as to how others set their sails under > >> various conditions. Anybody willing to share your wisdom? > >> > >> cheers, > >> > >> Shawn > >> > >> s/v Sweet Baboo > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 4:17 PM Graham Parker wrote: > >> > >> > Hi everyone, I am a newbie Rhodie and am loving sailing her on Lake > >> > Champlain. I have a problem with my batteries though. The solar > >> > panels > >> seem > >> > to be working too well and toasting the batteries. Is there a > >> > voltage regulator somewhere in the system? I am leaving the battery > >> > switch on > >> ALL, > >> > is that correct? > >> > Also has anyone had trouble with their sink water pump sticking on? > >> > Lastly, I am using the lower boom setting at anything approaching 15 > >> > knots, am I being chicken? > >> > It really heels a lot in higher gusts unless I reduce the 135% > >> > genoa. I do love being able to reef on the fly! > >> > Any help much appreciated > >> > Cheers > >> > Graham Parker > >> > > >> > > On May 15, 2019, at 00:37, Mike Riter wrote: > >> > > > >> > > Yeah, I?m also shopping for a new bow light after a dock encounter > >> > > last week. > >> > > > >> > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 5:00 PM gramille wrote: > >> > > > >> > >> Hi Peter - I have been enjoying your adventures on Silverheels > >> > >> via > >> > YouTube > >> > >> and am about to purchase a Rhodes 22 to replace my Compac Suncat > >> > >> 17. I would love to talk with you about some of your innovations > >> > >> - especially the whisker pole. Not sure about the etiquette on > >> > >> this forum but a call to > >> > 802 > >> > >> 245 4707 would be appreciated! > >> > >> > >> > >> Graham Parker. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > >> > >> > >> > > -- > >> > > Michael Riter > >> > > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. > >> > > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training > >> > > mike at traildesign.com > >> > > 678-410-8021 > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > From keywestseccorp at verizon.net Thu Aug 29 14:35:59 2019 From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 18:35:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] mast noise References: <452219996.332051.1567103759799.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <452219996.332051.1567103759799@mail.yahoo.com> Cables in mast ringing the mast. Would like to tie them up, don't want to stuff anything in mast hat would make future replacement difficult . What have you done to fix this? Any suggestions appreciated? Thanks, Mark From ric at stottarchitecture.com Thu Aug 29 14:41:53 2019 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 14:41:53 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] mast noise In-Reply-To: <452219996.332051.1567103759799@mail.yahoo.com> References: <452219996.332051.1567103759799.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <452219996.332051.1567103759799@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes Get a bag of 6? wire ties (zip-ties) With the mast down, pull the wires out with a pull-wire attached, so you can pull it back. Slip a zip tie on the cable about ever 30? pointing in different directions. No more noise Ric sv Dadventure Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP www.stottarchitecture.com Office 631-283-1777 Cell 516-965-3164 > On Aug 29, 2019, at 2:35 PM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > Cables in mast ringing the mast. Would like to tie them up, don't want to stuff anything in mast hat would make future replacement difficult . What have you done to fix this? Any suggestions appreciated Thanks, Mark From retiredtoby at gmail.com Thu Aug 29 15:48:24 2019 From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 15:48:24 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] List In-Reply-To: <038d01d55e0b$a01cf080$e056d180$@ca> References: <9B225293-7796-4BB6-AB63-D8CC37D320CB@optonline.net> <1557871240964-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <3AF63AE8-DAE7-48DE-AD4F-794DB529FFD0@tds.net> <50132.24.140.30.102.1567006015.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <038d01d55e0b$a01cf080$e056d180$@ca> Message-ID: Graham, I'm glad that I am not the only old Rhodie with that sentiment. Been their done that many times. S/V Whisper always has my back. So we can sail together another day. On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 9:46 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > In my experience the boat takes care of itself even when I do everything > wrong. I do that often and the fact that I am alive is testament to the > self-correcting ability of this little beauty. > Graham > > Graham Stewart > Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 > Kingston Ontario > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of Michael Corley > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 7:58 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] List > > All good advice. The Rhodes is a "tender" boat and heels easily, but once > the flared hull digs in she is very steady, and unsinkable! I still > remember what Elton told me during our delivery sail some 24 years ago; > When in trouble just let go of everything and the boat will take care of > itself by rounding into the wind. > > Mike Corley > S/V Ranger > Hampton Roads, VA. > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 11:26 AM wrote: > > > > > I like to hove-to when I want to reef the sails when the wind picks up. > > Just go from a starboard tack to a port tack without releasing the jib, > > the boat will wallow back and forth as the wind switches from powering up > > the main sail to powering up the jib, reef the main sail when the wind is > > on the jib. Then reef the jib when the wind is on the main sail. You > don't > > have to reef all at once, you will get used to knowing how much to reef > by > > how much heel you eliminate with your first reef. You can also figure out > > the balance of the sails by how it hove-to's. I prefer to reef instead of > > lowering the boom unless I'm really scared. > > > > Jerry Lowe > > S/V Country Rhodes '86 > > > > > > > > I agree with Shawn. In heavy wind just let the main and jib out part > way. > > > In a heavy gust let the main sheet out a bit first. You can also play > > > the gust by turning slightly into the wind until just a bit of the main > > > and jib begin to luff and play back and forth into and away from the > wind > > > to manage the amount of heal until the gust passes. > > > > > > Christopher P. Cowie > > > > > > 700 N Fairfax Street > > > Suite 304 > > > Alexandria, Virginia 22314 > > > 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile > > > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] > > > > > > > > > > > > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > > > Shawn Boles > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 11:43 PM > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] List > > > > > > Alexis: > > > > > > I reccomend sailing with both sails. The boat is designed to do so. > > > > > > > > > The boom can be in one of two positions - low, with the pop top down > and > > > high, with the pop top up. With the boom low you have effectively > reefed > > > the sail by lowering the center of effort. > > > > > > You can also reef by rolling in either/both sails to point where boat > > > sails flat. You want things balanced. (Ah, the Zen of sailing - hey, > > > couldn't > > > resist) > > > > > > Some also consider the traveler a reefing control. It uncouples the > > > mainsail leech tension from the sail trim. Downwind decreases mainsail > > > power and heel. Upwind only in light airs. Way downwind is what I was > > > taught to call a fisherman reef. > > > > > > Bitter experience has taught me to set the sails for the maximum > > > conditions I think I will encounter , especially the boom height. > Others > > > probably do things differently. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Shawn > > > > > > s/v Sweet Baboo > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 7:49 PM Alexis Seigneurin > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> Ok, I am curious to hear more about sail configurations and trim in > > >> heavy wind! I have been struggling a little... > > >> > > >> For instance, I went out on Saturday. Good breeze, probably 12-15 > > >> knots. I was on a close reach. I had the jib (115, I believe) and the > > >> main, both almost fully out, and both properly trimmed. The boat was > > >> heeling a little. > > >> Then came a few gusts >20 knots. The boat heeled severely and I had to > > >> quickly release the main sheet to get back to something more > > >> manageable. I eventually had to sail with just the jib out, because > > >> sailing with the main would heel the boat too much. > > >> > > >> From a general point of view, I find it easier to sail with the jib > > >> alone rather than the main alone under strong winds, although the > > >> opposite is usually recommended... > > >> > > >> Another thing I find difficult is to reef / furl the main while under > > >> sail. It is virtually impossible to do so on a starboard tack, as my > > >> main furls clockwise. I usually find it easier to start the engine to > > >> point the boat into the wind while I furl the main. > > >> > > >> Last thing is you are mentioning boom settings. I didn?t know there > > >> were lower or higher settings! Can you explain? > > >> > > >> Any advice welcome! > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> Alexis > > >> > > >> > > >> ________________________________ > > >> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > > >> Shawn Boles > > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 9:27 PM > > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] List > > >> > > >> Hi: > > >> > > >> No, you are not being chicken! Low boom is, IMHO, sensible above 15 > > >> mph, especially if you want to sail flat. According to DaList she will > > >> sail under control at 28 mph, although 20 is as high as I have gone > > >> while lake sailing. Stan provides all sorts of controls for you to > > >> trim the boat to conditions. As an example, check out the second set > > >> of fairleads if you want some pointing ability in stiff winds. > > >> > > >> As an aside, I'm curious as to how others set their sails under > > >> various conditions. Anybody willing to share your wisdom? > > >> > > >> cheers, > > >> > > >> Shawn > > >> > > >> s/v Sweet Baboo > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 4:17 PM Graham Parker wrote: > > >> > > >> > Hi everyone, I am a newbie Rhodie and am loving sailing her on Lake > > >> > Champlain. I have a problem with my batteries though. The solar > > >> > panels > > >> seem > > >> > to be working too well and toasting the batteries. Is there a > > >> > voltage regulator somewhere in the system? I am leaving the battery > > >> > switch on > > >> ALL, > > >> > is that correct? > > >> > Also has anyone had trouble with their sink water pump sticking on? > > >> > Lastly, I am using the lower boom setting at anything approaching 15 > > >> > knots, am I being chicken? > > >> > It really heels a lot in higher gusts unless I reduce the 135% > > >> > genoa. I do love being able to reef on the fly! > > >> > Any help much appreciated > > >> > Cheers > > >> > Graham Parker > > >> > > > >> > > On May 15, 2019, at 00:37, Mike Riter > wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > Yeah, I?m also shopping for a new bow light after a dock encounter > > >> > > last week. > > >> > > > > >> > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 5:00 PM gramille > wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > >> Hi Peter - I have been enjoying your adventures on Silverheels > > >> > >> via > > >> > YouTube > > >> > >> and am about to purchase a Rhodes 22 to replace my Compac Suncat > > >> > >> 17. I would love to talk with you about some of your innovations > > >> > >> - especially the whisker pole. Not sure about the etiquette on > > >> > >> this forum but a call to > > >> > 802 > > >> > >> 245 4707 would be appreciated! > > >> > >> > > >> > >> Graham Parker. > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> -- > > >> > >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > >> > >> > > >> > > -- > > >> > > Michael Riter > > >> > > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. > > >> > > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training > > >> > > mike at traildesign.com > > >> > > 678-410-8021 > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > From gramille at tds.net Fri Aug 30 11:11:03 2019 From: gramille at tds.net (Graham Parker) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2019 11:11:03 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] solar charge Message-ID: Hi everyone, As a relative new Rhodie, I am hoping to educate myself via your combined wisdom. I have a 2011 Rhodes 22 which came with two solar charge panels. They seem be putting out about 18 watts which seemed too much for the batteries. I am not seeing a voltage regulator so have resorted to covering one panel when I am away from the boat. I am not even sure if the batteries are linked or each panel charges one battery? I have left the switch on ALL? Any advice gratefully received. Cheers Graham on Lake Champlain From Colealexander at hotmail.com Sat Aug 31 21:26:05 2019 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 18:26:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] solar charge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1567301165772-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I replaced a panel and traced out the electrical this spring with help here. Not all boats are identical, so double check. The tiny cells on the sides by the pop top hardly produce any current, .58 amp. Nothing available would produce much more when I checked, without requiring wings for significantly larger size. I bought a couple controllers recommended on another site, which prevent overcharging (not likely) but more importantly were usb jacks and a cheap way to show battery voltage. The port solar cell goes directly to the aft battery underneath it, and is not affected by the power switch, The starboard cell goes to the forward battery directly, I wired the controllers between the cells and the batteries, one placed in the forward battery well and the other under the companionway on that little shelf, convenient for my cell and hands free ear piece. This is also an obvious place for glasses and phone if overnighting. These may be one of the few things on amazon that work. https://www.amazon.com/ALLPOWERS-Charger-Controller-Intelligent-Regulator/dp/B01MU0WMGT/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_3?keywords=ALLPOWERS+20A+Solar+Charger+Controller+Solar&qid=1550517275&s=gateway&sr=8-3- Hope it helps. Alex ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From Colealexander at hotmail.com Sat Aug 31 22:06:38 2019 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 19:06:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] mast noise In-Reply-To: References: <452219996.332051.1567103759799@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1567303598537-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Richard, Brilliant solution. Alex ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/