From jjcampjr at yahoo.com Tue Jan 1 11:08:27 2019 From: jjcampjr at yahoo.com (Joseph Camp) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2019 11:08:27 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the cabin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alexis Check your cabin ports for leaks. Cover the cabin. Reseal the ports, inside and out. Good luck. Joe Camp Somebody needs to buy my boat. Price is dropping! ttfn Sent from my iPhone > On 26 Dec 2018, at 21:43, Alexis Seigneurin wrote: > > Hi there! > > Since I bought my Rhodes in November, there?s been water in the bilge. I pumped about 2 gallons of water but it came back. Since the boat is on its trailer, this is rain water. > > I read on this list that the centerboard pendant tube is a usual suspect, and it was indeed leaking. I replaced the tube and sealed it properly (clamp+silicone at the bottom, silicone at the top), and I confirmed today that this leak is gone. > > When I visited the boat today, there was again about 2 gallons of water (that is since my last visit, 2 weeks ago). I found there was water underneath the 2 drawers at the back of the cabin. I removed the settee and its support to inspect a bit more: the foam that sits underneath the cockpit was wet. > > I am attaching a picture of the cabin sole. You can see the wet parts on both side of the bilge. > > Any ideas on where this water could be coming from? > > Thanks, > Alexis > > > [Image] > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Image-1.png > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 1947265 bytes > Desc: Image-1.png > URL: > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 22:54:13 2019 From: alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com (Alexis Seigneurin) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2019 22:54:13 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? Message-ID: Hi there, I found today that there was quite a lot of water on the ceiling of the V-berth of my boat (see attached picture). Fortunately, there's some kind of triangular bucket that collects this water, so nothing got damaged in the V-berth. I found that the inspection hatch that is at the bow of the boat was the culprit for this leak. I went to West Marine but couldn't find a replacement. The inside diameter is 3-1/2", but the smallest that was available in store was 4". My questions are: - What is this hatch used for? - Should I replace this hatch with an identical one, or should I open a larger hole to fit a 4" hatch? - If I should get an identical hatch, any idea where I can find one? I would also like to replace the plastic frame of the cockpit shelves. One of them is broken, but again, West Marine doesn't seem to have that in store. Do you happen to know where I can find replacement parts? Pictures attached so that you can see what I mean. Thanks! Alexis -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Instead of replacing the access port, remove it and reinstall it with new sealant. Ask Stan about new cockpit pocket frames. Regards, Rick Lange On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 10:54 PM Alexis Seigneurin < alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi there, > > I found today that there was quite a lot of water on the ceiling of the > V-berth of my boat (see attached picture). Fortunately, there's some kind > of triangular bucket that collects this water, so nothing got damaged in > the V-berth. > > I found that the inspection hatch that is at the bow of the boat was the > culprit for this leak. I went to West Marine but couldn't find a > replacement. The inside diameter is 3-1/2", but the smallest that was > available in store was 4". > > My questions are: > - What is this hatch used for? > - Should I replace this hatch with an identical one, or should I open a > larger hole to fit a 4" hatch? > - If I should get an identical hatch, any idea where I can find one? > > I would also like to replace the plastic frame of the cockpit shelves. One > of them is broken, but again, West Marine doesn't seem to have that in > store. 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2003274923.14046105.1546837065977@mail.yahoo.com> That hatch is used to store the anchor rode.? There is a drawer under it to keep the wet rode off the bow berth. That is probably the triangular bucket you mention. ? I don't know where you might find replacements but others might.? A lot of owners prefer not to use this anchor storage.? They store the rode in the cockpit.? I keep my anchor on the bow pulpit and store the rode in a bag in the lazarette.? When needed, I take the bag to the bow and hook it up to the anchor.? Since you don't use the hatch, maybe just calk it to stop the leaking rather than enlarging it.? Joe Riley, S/V Second Wind Lake Hartwell SC. .? -----Original Message-----? From: Alexis Seigneurin To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Sent: Sun, Jan 6, 2019 10:54 pm Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? Hi there, I found today that there was quite a lot of water on the ceiling of the V-berth of my boat (see attached picture). Fortunately, there's some kind of triangular bucket that collects this water, so nothing got damaged in the V-berth. I found that the inspection hatch that is at the bow of the boat was the culprit for this leak. I went to West Marine but couldn't find a replacement. The inside diameter is 3-1/2", but the smallest that was available in store was 4". My questions are: - What is this hatch used for? - Should I replace this hatch with an identical one, or should I open a larger hole to fit a 4" hatch? - If I should get an identical hatch, any idea where I can find one? I would also like to replace the plastic frame of the cockpit shelves. One of them is broken, but again, West Marine doesn't seem to have that in store. Do you happen to know where I can find replacement parts? Pictures attached so that you can see what I mean. Thanks! Alexis -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Here is the manufacturer's info: http://www.sea-dog.com/groups/1103-standard-cowl-vent-snap-on-deck-plate. I had to replace mine and got the new one from Stan - stan at rhodes22.com Mark Olson On 1/6/2019 10:54 PM, Alexis Seigneurin wrote: > Hi there, > > I found today that there was quite a lot of water on the ceiling of the > V-berth of my boat (see attached picture). Fortunately, there's some kind > of triangular bucket that collects this water, so nothing got damaged in > the V-berth. > > I found that the inspection hatch that is at the bow of the boat was the > culprit for this leak. I went to West Marine but couldn't find a > replacement. The inside diameter is 3-1/2", but the smallest that was > available in store was 4". > > My questions are: > - What is this hatch used for? > - Should I replace this hatch with an identical one, or should I open a > larger hole to fit a 4" hatch? > - If I should get an identical hatch, any idea where I can find one? > > I would also like to replace the plastic frame of the cockpit shelves. One > of them is broken, but again, West Marine doesn't seem to have that in > store. Do you happen to know where I can find replacement parts? > > Pictures attached so that you can see what I mean. > > Thanks! > Alexis > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_7020.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 261546 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_7055.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 292523 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_7050.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 119643 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_7035.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 132791 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Mon Jan 7 07:55:23 2019 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2019 12:55:23 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alex, That hatch is for the anchor rode. The attached screenshot is from Defender Marine ( www.Defender.com ): [cid:image002.png at 01D4A65E.56832940] If it?s leaking, the most likely culprit is a bad O-ring seal. The new snap-in deck plate will have a fresh O-ring. You might also check the O-ring sealing surface on the female part of the deck plate. It?s possible that some dirt got in there and it?s preventing the O-ring on the snap-in plate from making a proper seal. Note that there should also be a snap-in low profile cowl vent that fits the deck plate: [cid:image005.png at 01D4A65E.56832940] At anchor, that cowl vent really helps ventilate the cabin. Also, there should be a plastic hose and a thru hull in the bow to drain the anchor locker. If the water is not drained, it will reflux and tend to condense on the V-berth overhead. The bracket probably broke because the locker got full of water and the weight overloaded the bracket. Roger Pihlaja SV Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alexis Seigneurin Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 10:54 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? Hi there, I found today that there was quite a lot of water on the ceiling of the V-berth of my boat (see attached picture). Fortunately, there's some kind of triangular bucket that collects this water, so nothing got damaged in the V-berth. I found that the inspection hatch that is at the bow of the boat was the culprit for this leak. I went to West Marine but couldn't find a replacement. The inside diameter is 3-1/2", but the smallest that was available in store was 4". My questions are: - What is this hatch used for? - Should I replace this hatch with an identical one, or should I open a larger hole to fit a 4" hatch? - If I should get an identical hatch, any idea where I can find one? I would also like to replace the plastic frame of the cockpit shelves. 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003601d4a68c$59a67360$0cf35a20$@ebsmed.com> Alexis, I sincerely doubt that an anchor rode port leak has much to do with the condensate on the ceiling of the v-berth. I have only seen condensation like that when there was a good deal of water in the forward bilge area (under the cabin sole or under the v-berth) and the temperatures are cool enough at night to permit the warm water vapor to condense on the ceiling at night. This sometimes happens when daytime and sea water temperatures are warm and humidity is high but the nights are very cool. Where is the boat located? Do you have adequate ventilation to remove humidity and moisture during the day? Is there water in the bilge? I would not try to seal the anchor rode port but rather install a cowl vent in place of the cap to permit the moisture to escape. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 7:55 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? Alex, That hatch is for the anchor rode. The attached screenshot is from Defender Marine ( www.Defender.com ): [cid:image002.png at 01D4A65E.56832940] If it's leaking, the most likely culprit is a bad O-ring seal. The new snap-in deck plate will have a fresh O-ring. You might also check the O-ring sealing surface on the female part of the deck plate. It's possible that some dirt got in there and it's preventing the O-ring on the snap-in plate from making a proper seal. Note that there should also be a snap-in low profile cowl vent that fits the deck plate: [cid:image005.png at 01D4A65E.56832940] At anchor, that cowl vent really helps ventilate the cabin. Also, there should be a plastic hose and a thru hull in the bow to drain the anchor locker. If the water is not drained, it will reflux and tend to condense on the V-berth overhead. The bracket probably broke because the locker got full of water and the weight overloaded the bracket. Roger Pihlaja SV Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alexis Seigneurin Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 10:54 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? Hi there, I found today that there was quite a lot of water on the ceiling of the V-berth of my boat (see attached picture). Fortunately, there's some kind of triangular bucket that collects this water, so nothing got damaged in the V-berth. I found that the inspection hatch that is at the bow of the boat was the culprit for this leak. I went to West Marine but couldn't find a replacement. The inside diameter is 3-1/2", but the smallest that was available in store was 4". My questions are: - What is this hatch used for? - Should I replace this hatch with an identical one, or should I open a larger hole to fit a 4" hatch? - If I should get an identical hatch, any idea where I can find one? I would also like to replace the plastic frame of the cockpit shelves. One of them is broken, but again, West Marine doesn't seem to have that in store. Do you happen to know where I can find replacement parts? Pictures attached so that you can see what I mean. Thanks! Alexis -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_7020.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 261546 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_7055.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 292523 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This helped with condensation. https://www.amazon.com/Nicro-White-Night-Plus-Vent/dp/B00L21W96O/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1546872058&sr=8-2&keywords=nicro+solar+vent I agree with others that your problem may just be a matter of the hatch needing to be rebedded. Every boat needs to have deck parts rebedded at some point. Some people put themselves on a regular 5-7 year rebedding schedule. We dragged it out a bit but most everything on the deck except the stanchions was rebedded at least once in the 18 years we had our Rhodes. Mary Lou ex Rhodes 22 now Rosborough RF-245 On 1/7/2019 8:24 AM, Michael Weisner wrote: > Alexis, > > I sincerely doubt that an anchor rode port leak has much to do with the > condensate on the ceiling of the v-berth. > > I have only seen condensation like that when there was a good deal of water > in the forward bilge area (under the cabin sole or under the v-berth) and > the temperatures are cool enough at night to permit the warm water vapor to > condense on the ceiling at night. This sometimes happens when daytime and > sea water temperatures are warm and humidity is high but the nights are very > cool. > > Where is the boat located? Do you have adequate ventilation to remove > humidity and moisture during the day? Is there water in the bilge? I would > not try to seal the anchor rode port but rather install a cowl vent in place > of the cap to permit the moisture to escape. > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of ROGER > PIHLAJA > Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 7:55 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? > > Alex, > > That hatch is for the anchor rode. The attached screenshot is from Defender > Marine ( www.Defender.com ): > > [cid:image002.png at 01D4A65E.56832940] > > If it's leaking, the most likely culprit is a bad O-ring seal. The new > snap-in deck plate will have a fresh O-ring. You might also check the > O-ring sealing surface on the female part of the deck plate. It's possible > that some dirt got in there and it's preventing the O-ring on the snap-in > plate from making a proper seal. > > Note that there should also be a snap-in low profile cowl vent that fits the > deck plate: > > [cid:image005.png at 01D4A65E.56832940] > > At anchor, that cowl vent really helps ventilate the cabin. > > Also, there should be a plastic hose and a thru hull in the bow to drain the > anchor locker. If the water is not drained, it will reflux and tend to > condense on the V-berth overhead. The bracket probably broke because the > locker got full of water and the weight overloaded the bracket. > > Roger Pihlaja > SV Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for Windows > 10 > > From: Alexis Seigneurin > Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 10:54 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? > > Hi there, > > I found today that there was quite a lot of water on the ceiling of the > V-berth of my boat (see attached picture). Fortunately, there's some kind of > triangular bucket that collects this water, so nothing got damaged in the > V-berth. > > I found that the inspection hatch that is at the bow of the boat was the > culprit for this leak. I went to West Marine but couldn't find a > replacement. The inside diameter is 3-1/2", but the smallest that was > available in store was 4". > > My questions are: > - What is this hatch used for? > - Should I replace this hatch with an identical one, or should I open a > larger hole to fit a 4" hatch? > - If I should get an identical hatch, any idea where I can find one? > > I would also like to replace the plastic frame of the cockpit shelves. One > of them is broken, but again, West Marine doesn't seem to have that in > store. 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <74868e22-346e-9ec3-9a32-67d72fb6b340@atlanticbb.net> I agree with everything Roger said except the bit about the plastic hose and drain for the anchor locker. I've never seen a Rhodes 22 with that set up. Most have the? trapezoidal sliding tray with no drain. You don't get much water in there as long as the port/hatch isn't leaking. Good idea but the way we stuffed the v-berth for cruising we probably would have dislodged the hose. Mary Lou On 1/7/2019 7:55 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Also, there should be a plastic hose and a thru hull in the bow to drain the anchor locker. If the water is not drained, it will reflux and tend to condense on the V-berth overhead. The bracket probably broke because the locker got full of water and the weight overloaded the bracket. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Mon Jan 7 11:29:57 2019 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2019 11:29:57 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004f01d4a6a6$3a36aa30$aea3fe90$@ca> Alexis: All the responses before mine are completely sensible. I also wonder whether the source is really the deck hatch or condensation. Pouring water on the hatch would tell you if it is leaking. Further, you would want to know if the leak is between the outside of the port and the deck hole or the inside where it is threaded. If it leaks around the outside then, as others suggest, rebedding is what is sufficient - provided, of course that you can get it out of the deck hole without destroying it. If silicone was used it should not be difficult to remove and also would likely explain why it is leaking. If something like 5200 was used, you might need dynamite to get it out. If the port is leaking internally, replacement is probably the best choice. If the leak is around the outside seal be sure to check your core material incase water has been entering the core and doing its nasty work. In any event I would strongly recommend that you seal the core edge very well with epoxy and not rely solely on sealant. By the way, I like to use butyl tape rather than sealant in such places if there is any possibility that you might need to remove the hatch again in the future. As for the coaming frame, if you can't get one from Stan or anyone else you might do what I did and install edge trim such as this: https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00KGAKG2G/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie =UTF8&psc=1 . Note that is the Canadian Amazon site and you would want to look it up on the US site. The frame would certainly look much better if you can find it. Graham Stewart Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Alexis Seigneurin Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 10:54 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? Hi there, I found today that there was quite a lot of water on the ceiling of the V-berth of my boat (see attached picture). Fortunately, there's some kind of triangular bucket that collects this water, so nothing got damaged in the V-berth. I found that the inspection hatch that is at the bow of the boat was the culprit for this leak. I went to West Marine but couldn't find a replacement. The inside diameter is 3-1/2", but the smallest that was available in store was 4". My questions are: - What is this hatch used for? - Should I replace this hatch with an identical one, or should I open a larger hole to fit a 4" hatch? - If I should get an identical hatch, any idea where I can find one? I would also like to replace the plastic frame of the cockpit shelves. One of them is broken, but again, West Marine doesn't seem to have that in store. Do you happen to know where I can find replacement parts? Pictures attached so that you can see what I mean. Thanks! Alexis -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_7020.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 261546 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_7055.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 292523 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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They will sell direct to individuals and are located in Bridgeport, CT. Cary Tolbert S/V Whisper '86 On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 11:30 AM Graham Stewart wrote: > Alexis: > > All the responses before mine are completely sensible. I also wonder > whether > the source is really the deck hatch or condensation. Pouring water on the > hatch would tell you if it is leaking. Further, you would want to know if > the leak is between the outside of the port and the deck hole or the inside > where it is threaded. If it leaks around the outside then, as others > suggest, rebedding is what is sufficient - provided, of course that you can > get it out of the deck hole without destroying it. If silicone was used it > should not be difficult to remove and also would likely explain why it is > leaking. If something like 5200 was used, you might need dynamite to get it > out. > > If the port is leaking internally, replacement is probably the best choice. > If the leak is around the outside seal be sure to check your core material > incase water has been entering the core and doing its nasty work. In any > event I would strongly recommend that you seal the core edge very well with > epoxy and not rely solely on sealant. By the way, I like to use butyl tape > rather than sealant in such places if there is any possibility that you > might need to remove the hatch again in the future. > > As for the coaming frame, if you can't get one from Stan or anyone else you > might do what I did and install edge trim such as this: > > https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00KGAKG2G/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie > =UTF8&psc=1 > > . Note that is the Canadian Amazon site and you would want to > look it up on the US site. The frame would certainly look much better if > you > can find it. > > > Graham Stewart > Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 > Kingston Ontario > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of > Alexis Seigneurin > Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 10:54 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? > > Hi there, > > I found today that there was quite a lot of water on the ceiling of the > V-berth of my boat (see attached picture). Fortunately, there's some kind > of triangular bucket that collects this water, so nothing got damaged in > the V-berth. > > I found that the inspection hatch that is at the bow of the boat was the > culprit for this leak. I went to West Marine but couldn't find a > replacement. The inside diameter is 3-1/2", but the smallest that was > available in store was 4". > > My questions are: > - What is this hatch used for? > - Should I replace this hatch with an identical one, or should I open a > larger hole to fit a 4" hatch? > - If I should get an identical hatch, any idea where I can find one? > > I would also like to replace the plastic frame of the cockpit shelves. One > of them is broken, but again, West Marine doesn't seem to have that in > store. Do you happen to know where I can find replacement parts? > > Pictures attached so that you can see what I mean. > > Thanks! > Alexis > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_7020.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 261546 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/a > ttachment.jpg > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_7055.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 292523 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/a > ttachment-0001.jpg > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_7050.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 119643 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/a > ttachment-0002.jpg > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_7035.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 132791 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/a > ttachment-0003.jpg > > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 14:31:52 2019 From: alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com (Alexis Seigneurin) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2019 14:31:52 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? In-Reply-To: References: <004f01d4a6a6$3a36aa30$aea3fe90$@ca> Message-ID: Thanks all for your replies and suggestions. Just to confirm, the water on the ceiling of the v-berth *is* condensation: water leaks into the triangular tray/bucket, accumulates there, then temperature changes make the water condensate on the ceiling (boat is in Deltaville, and Sunday was a warm day, but night was cold). Water is localized in the v-berth, thus eliminating the bilge as a source of water, and doesn't condensate on areas where the deck is thicker (see the picture I had attached in my first email). The reason why I am looking at replacing the hatch rather than just re-sealing it is because the plastic is brittle and is cracked around 2 of the screws. The sealant that was used is silicone. Not very durable, so I'm not surprised it has to be re-sealed. The plywood core had not been protected when installing this hatch, though, so it is wet. It if not soft, though, so my hope is I can get it to dry before sealing it with epoxy and installing a new hatch. I like the idea of the Nicro vent as I am thinking of keeping the anchor in the lazarette. Thanks Mary Lou for the suggestion. Alexis On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 11:52 AM Cary Tolbert wrote: > Alexis, for parts to the existing ports on a Rhodes 22 please try Beckson > Marine. This is the OME parts place. > You can even print their installation instructions. They will sell direct > to individuals and are located in Bridgeport, CT. > > > > Cary Tolbert > S/V Whisper '86 > > > On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 11:30 AM Graham Stewart > wrote: > > > Alexis: > > > > All the responses before mine are completely sensible. I also wonder > > whether > > the source is really the deck hatch or condensation. Pouring water on the > > hatch would tell you if it is leaking. Further, you would want to know if > > the leak is between the outside of the port and the deck hole or the > inside > > where it is threaded. If it leaks around the outside then, as others > > suggest, rebedding is what is sufficient - provided, of course that you > can > > get it out of the deck hole without destroying it. If silicone was used > it > > should not be difficult to remove and also would likely explain why it is > > leaking. If something like 5200 was used, you might need dynamite to get > it > > out. > > > > If the port is leaking internally, replacement is probably the best > choice. > > If the leak is around the outside seal be sure to check your core > material > > incase water has been entering the core and doing its nasty work. In any > > event I would strongly recommend that you seal the core edge very well > with > > epoxy and not rely solely on sealant. By the way, I like to use butyl > tape > > rather than sealant in such places if there is any possibility that you > > might need to remove the hatch again in the future. > > > > As for the coaming frame, if you can't get one from Stan or anyone else > you > > might do what I did and install edge trim such as this: > > > > > https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00KGAKG2G/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie > > =UTF8&psc=1 > > < > https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00KGAKG2G/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 > > > > . Note that is the Canadian Amazon site and you would want to > > look it up on the US site. The frame would certainly look much better if > > you > > can find it. > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf > > Of > > Alexis Seigneurin > > Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 10:54 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? > > > > Hi there, > > > > I found today that there was quite a lot of water on the ceiling of the > > V-berth of my boat (see attached picture). Fortunately, there's some kind > > of triangular bucket that collects this water, so nothing got damaged in > > the V-berth. > > > > I found that the inspection hatch that is at the bow of the boat was the > > culprit for this leak. I went to West Marine but couldn't find a > > replacement. The inside diameter is 3-1/2", but the smallest that was > > available in store was 4". > > > > My questions are: > > - What is this hatch used for? > > - Should I replace this hatch with an identical one, or should I open a > > larger hole to fit a 4" hatch? > > - If I should get an identical hatch, any idea where I can find one? > > > > I would also like to replace the plastic frame of the cockpit shelves. > One > > of them is broken, but again, West Marine doesn't seem to have that in > > store. Do you happen to know where I can find replacement parts? > > > > Pictures attached so that you can see what I mean. > > > > Thanks! > > Alexis > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_7020.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 261546 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/a > > ttachment.jpg > > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/attachment.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_7055.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 292523 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/a > > ttachment-0001.jpg > > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_7050.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 119643 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/a > > ttachment-0002.jpg > > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/attachment-0002.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_7035.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 132791 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/a > > ttachment-0003.jpg > > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/attachment-0003.jpg > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > > to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Mon Jan 7 15:18:10 2019 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2019 15:18:10 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? In-Reply-To: References: <004f01d4a6a6$3a36aa30$aea3fe90$@ca> Message-ID: <007301d4a6c6$1c0349e0$5409dda0$@ca> Alexis: The cracks are definitely a sign that the port needs to be replaced. I would suggest that you try to drill into the core from inside the hole to see how deep the water has penetrated. Hopefully not far. The holes will also allow the core material to dry out faster and allow for the epoxy to penetrate further if you use a syringe. If the damp wood does not go too far, I would use something like a dremmel tool to remove it and then seal with epoxy and fill with thickened epoxy. If the wood is wet further in than what you can remove you might have a more involved repair on your hands. In that case I would drill up through the liner in a pattern of holes that fan out from the hole until you hit dry wood. Drill lots of holes where the wood is wet. You now need to let it dry out. Test for dryness with new holes. It might take a long time unless you can figure out a way to push warm air into the core. I used a shop vac for this purpose. You would then need to figure out a way to inject epoxy into the core without it all running back out -perhaps with tape. When I did mine I drilled the holes from above because I knew I was going to glass and paint the whole deck anyway. That meant that the epoxy didn't drip through. It might still be easier even if you have to patch a section of the deck. I had a leak around a holding tank vent in my dick. I actually removed the deck and separated the liner and removed the core plywood - something that turned out to be unnecessary. My point in telling you this is that when I got to examine the plywood I found that while the hole for the vent was only about 1/2" in diameter, the wet plywood extended out about a foot. If I had sealed the edge of the plywood at the hole when it was dry I would have sealed in all the water-infused plywood that was further in. Hopefully you caught the leak early on and none of this is necessary. Graham Stewart Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Alexis Seigneurin Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 2:32 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? Thanks all for your replies and suggestions. Just to confirm, the water on the ceiling of the v-berth *is* condensation: water leaks into the triangular tray/bucket, accumulates there, then temperature changes make the water condensate on the ceiling (boat is in Deltaville, and Sunday was a warm day, but night was cold). Water is localized in the v-berth, thus eliminating the bilge as a source of water, and doesn't condensate on areas where the deck is thicker (see the picture I had attached in my first email). The reason why I am looking at replacing the hatch rather than just re-sealing it is because the plastic is brittle and is cracked around 2 of the screws. The sealant that was used is silicone. Not very durable, so I'm not surprised it has to be re-sealed. The plywood core had not been protected when installing this hatch, though, so it is wet. It if not soft, though, so my hope is I can get it to dry before sealing it with epoxy and installing a new hatch. I like the idea of the Nicro vent as I am thinking of keeping the anchor in the lazarette. Thanks Mary Lou for the suggestion. Alexis On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 11:52 AM Cary Tolbert wrote: > Alexis, for parts to the existing ports on a Rhodes 22 please try Beckson > Marine. This is the OME parts place. > You can even print their installation instructions. They will sell direct > to individuals and are located in Bridgeport, CT. > > > > Cary Tolbert > S/V Whisper '86 > > > On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 11:30 AM Graham Stewart > wrote: > > > Alexis: > > > > All the responses before mine are completely sensible. I also wonder > > whether > > the source is really the deck hatch or condensation. Pouring water on the > > hatch would tell you if it is leaking. Further, you would want to know if > > the leak is between the outside of the port and the deck hole or the > inside > > where it is threaded. If it leaks around the outside then, as others > > suggest, rebedding is what is sufficient - provided, of course that you > can > > get it out of the deck hole without destroying it. If silicone was used > it > > should not be difficult to remove and also would likely explain why it is > > leaking. If something like 5200 was used, you might need dynamite to get > it > > out. > > > > If the port is leaking internally, replacement is probably the best > choice. > > If the leak is around the outside seal be sure to check your core > material > > incase water has been entering the core and doing its nasty work. In any > > event I would strongly recommend that you seal the core edge very well > with > > epoxy and not rely solely on sealant. By the way, I like to use butyl > tape > > rather than sealant in such places if there is any possibility that you > > might need to remove the hatch again in the future. > > > > As for the coaming frame, if you can't get one from Stan or anyone else > you > > might do what I did and install edge trim such as this: > > > > > https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00KGAKG2G/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie > > =UTF8&psc=1 > > < > https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00KGAKG2G/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie =UTF8&psc=1 > > > > . Note that is the Canadian Amazon site and you would want to > > look it up on the US site. The frame would certainly look much better if > > you > > can find it. > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf > > Of > > Alexis Seigneurin > > Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 10:54 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? > > > > Hi there, > > > > I found today that there was quite a lot of water on the ceiling of the > > V-berth of my boat (see attached picture). Fortunately, there's some kind > > of triangular bucket that collects this water, so nothing got damaged in > > the V-berth. > > > > I found that the inspection hatch that is at the bow of the boat was the > > culprit for this leak. I went to West Marine but couldn't find a > > replacement. The inside diameter is 3-1/2", but the smallest that was > > available in store was 4". > > > > My questions are: > > - What is this hatch used for? > > - Should I replace this hatch with an identical one, or should I open a > > larger hole to fit a 4" hatch? > > - If I should get an identical hatch, any idea where I can find one? > > > > I would also like to replace the plastic frame of the cockpit shelves. > One > > of them is broken, but again, West Marine doesn't seem to have that in > > store. Do you happen to know where I can find replacement parts? > > > > Pictures attached so that you can see what I mean. > > > > Thanks! > > Alexis > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_7020.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 261546 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/a > > ttachment.jpg > > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/at tachment.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_7055.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 292523 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/a > > ttachment-0001.jpg > > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/at tachment-0001.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_7050.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 119643 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/a > > ttachment-0002.jpg > > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/at tachment-0002.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_7035.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 132791 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/a > > ttachment-0003.jpg > > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/at tachment-0003.jpg > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > > to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 16:59:38 2019 From: alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com (Alexis Seigneurin) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2019 16:59:38 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? In-Reply-To: <007301d4a6c6$1c0349e0$5409dda0$@ca> References: <004f01d4a6a6$3a36aa30$aea3fe90$@ca> <007301d4a6c6$1c0349e0$5409dda0$@ca> Message-ID: Cary: I contacted Beckson as per your suggestion for the coaming frames, but they don't have that :( Graham: that sounds good. I will inspect how much water made it into the core. Thanks, Alexis On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 3:18 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > Alexis: > The cracks are definitely a sign that the port needs to be replaced. > > I would suggest that you try to drill into the core from inside the hole to > see how deep the water has penetrated. Hopefully not far. The holes will > also allow the core material to dry out faster and allow for the epoxy to > penetrate further if you use a syringe. If the damp wood does not go too > far, I would use something like a dremmel tool to remove it and then seal > with epoxy and fill with thickened epoxy. > > If the wood is wet further in than what you can remove you might have a > more > involved repair on your hands. In that case I would drill up through the > liner in a pattern of holes that fan out from the hole until you hit dry > wood. Drill lots of holes where the wood is wet. You now need to let it dry > out. Test for dryness with new holes. It might take a long time unless you > can figure out a way to push warm air into the core. I used a shop vac for > this purpose. You would then need to figure out a way to inject epoxy into > the core without it all running back out -perhaps with tape. When I did > mine > I drilled the holes from above because I knew I was going to glass and > paint > the whole deck anyway. That meant that the epoxy didn't drip through. It > might still be easier even if you have to patch a section of the deck. > > I had a leak around a holding tank vent in my dick. I actually removed the > deck and separated the liner and removed the core plywood - something that > turned out to be unnecessary. My point in telling you this is that when I > got to examine the plywood I found that while the hole for the vent was > only > about 1/2" in diameter, the wet plywood extended out about a foot. If I had > sealed the edge of the plywood at the hole when it was dry I would have > sealed in all the water-infused plywood that was further in. > > Hopefully you caught the leak early on and none of this is necessary. > > > Graham Stewart > Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 > Kingston Ontario > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of > Alexis Seigneurin > Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 2:32 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? > > Thanks all for your replies and suggestions. > > Just to confirm, the water on the ceiling of the v-berth *is* condensation: > water leaks into the triangular tray/bucket, accumulates there, then > temperature changes make the water condensate on the ceiling (boat is in > Deltaville, and Sunday was a warm day, but night was cold). Water is > localized in the v-berth, thus eliminating the bilge as a source of water, > and doesn't condensate on areas where the deck is thicker (see the picture > I had attached in my first email). > > The reason why I am looking at replacing the hatch rather than just > re-sealing it is because the plastic is brittle and is cracked around 2 of > the screws. > > The sealant that was used is silicone. Not very durable, so I'm not > surprised it has to be re-sealed. The plywood core had not been protected > when installing this hatch, though, so it is wet. It if not soft, though, > so my hope is I can get it to dry before sealing it with epoxy and > installing a new hatch. > > I like the idea of the Nicro vent as I am thinking of keeping the anchor in > the lazarette. Thanks Mary Lou for the suggestion. > > Alexis > > On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 11:52 AM Cary Tolbert > wrote: > > > Alexis, for parts to the existing ports on a Rhodes 22 please try Beckson > > Marine. This is the OME parts place. > > You can even print their installation instructions. They will sell direct > > to individuals and are located in Bridgeport, CT. > > > > > > > > Cary Tolbert > > S/V Whisper '86 > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 11:30 AM Graham Stewart > > wrote: > > > > > Alexis: > > > > > > All the responses before mine are completely sensible. I also wonder > > > whether > > > the source is really the deck hatch or condensation. Pouring water on > the > > > hatch would tell you if it is leaking. Further, you would want to know > if > > > the leak is between the outside of the port and the deck hole or the > > inside > > > where it is threaded. If it leaks around the outside then, as others > > > suggest, rebedding is what is sufficient - provided, of course that you > > can > > > get it out of the deck hole without destroying it. If silicone was used > > it > > > should not be difficult to remove and also would likely explain why it > is > > > leaking. If something like 5200 was used, you might need dynamite to > get > > it > > > out. > > > > > > If the port is leaking internally, replacement is probably the best > > choice. > > > If the leak is around the outside seal be sure to check your core > > material > > > incase water has been entering the core and doing its nasty work. In > any > > > event I would strongly recommend that you seal the core edge very well > > with > > > epoxy and not rely solely on sealant. By the way, I like to use butyl > > tape > > > rather than sealant in such places if there is any possibility that you > > > might need to remove the hatch again in the future. > > > > > > As for the coaming frame, if you can't get one from Stan or anyone else > > you > > > might do what I did and install edge trim such as this: > > > > > > > > > > https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00KGAKG2G/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie > > > =UTF8&psc=1 > > > < > > > > https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00KGAKG2G/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie > =UTF8&psc=1 > > > > > > > . Note that is the Canadian Amazon site and you would want to > > > look it up on the US site. The frame would certainly look much better > if > > > you > > > can find it. > > > > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 > > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > > Behalf > > > Of > > > Alexis Seigneurin > > > Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 10:54 PM > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? > > > > > > Hi there, > > > > > > I found today that there was quite a lot of water on the ceiling of the > > > V-berth of my boat (see attached picture). Fortunately, there's some > kind > > > of triangular bucket that collects this water, so nothing got damaged > in > > > the V-berth. > > > > > > I found that the inspection hatch that is at the bow of the boat was > the > > > culprit for this leak. I went to West Marine but couldn't find a > > > replacement. The inside diameter is 3-1/2", but the smallest that was > > > available in store was 4". > > > > > > My questions are: > > > - What is this hatch used for? > > > - Should I replace this hatch with an identical one, or should I open a > > > larger hole to fit a 4" hatch? > > > - If I should get an identical hatch, any idea where I can find one? > > > > > > I would also like to replace the plastic frame of the cockpit shelves. > > One > > > of them is broken, but again, West Marine doesn't seem to have that in > > > store. Do you happen to know where I can find replacement parts? > > > > > > Pictures attached so that you can see what I mean. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > Alexis > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: IMG_7020.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 261546 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: > > > < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/a > > > ttachment.jpg > > > < > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/at > tachment.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: IMG_7055.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 292523 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: > > > < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/a > > > ttachment-0001.jpg > > > < > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/at > tachment-0001.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: IMG_7050.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 119643 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: > > > < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/a > > > ttachment-0002.jpg > > > < > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/at > tachment-0002.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: IMG_7035.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 132791 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: > > > < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/a > > > ttachment-0003.jpg > > > < > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/at > tachment-0003.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go > > > to > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go > > > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 21:41:44 2019 From: alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com (Alexis Seigneurin) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2019 02:41:44 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? In-Reply-To: References: <004f01d4a6a6$3a36aa30$aea3fe90$@ca> <007301d4a6c6$1c0349e0$5409dda0$@ca>, Message-ID: It turns out I have a picture that shows the core of the deck after removing the hatch. I am attaching it here. It looks like the bottom part of the fiberglass is delaminated. Not sure how big of an issue this is yet... [Image] Alexis ________________________________ From: Alexis Seigneurin Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 4:59 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? Cary: I contacted Beckson as per your suggestion for the coaming frames, but they don't have that :( Graham: that sounds good. I will inspect how much water made it into the core. Thanks, Alexis On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 3:18 PM Graham Stewart > wrote: Alexis: The cracks are definitely a sign that the port needs to be replaced. I would suggest that you try to drill into the core from inside the hole to see how deep the water has penetrated. Hopefully not far. The holes will also allow the core material to dry out faster and allow for the epoxy to penetrate further if you use a syringe. If the damp wood does not go too far, I would use something like a dremmel tool to remove it and then seal with epoxy and fill with thickened epoxy. If the wood is wet further in than what you can remove you might have a more involved repair on your hands. In that case I would drill up through the liner in a pattern of holes that fan out from the hole until you hit dry wood. Drill lots of holes where the wood is wet. You now need to let it dry out. Test for dryness with new holes. It might take a long time unless you can figure out a way to push warm air into the core. I used a shop vac for this purpose. You would then need to figure out a way to inject epoxy into the core without it all running back out -perhaps with tape. When I did mine I drilled the holes from above because I knew I was going to glass and paint the whole deck anyway. That meant that the epoxy didn't drip through. It might still be easier even if you have to patch a section of the deck. I had a leak around a holding tank vent in my dick. I actually removed the deck and separated the liner and removed the core plywood - something that turned out to be unnecessary. My point in telling you this is that when I got to examine the plywood I found that while the hole for the vent was only about 1/2" in diameter, the wet plywood extended out about a foot. If I had sealed the edge of the plywood at the hole when it was dry I would have sealed in all the water-infused plywood that was further in. Hopefully you caught the leak early on and none of this is necessary. Graham Stewart Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Alexis Seigneurin Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 2:32 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? Thanks all for your replies and suggestions. Just to confirm, the water on the ceiling of the v-berth *is* condensation: water leaks into the triangular tray/bucket, accumulates there, then temperature changes make the water condensate on the ceiling (boat is in Deltaville, and Sunday was a warm day, but night was cold). Water is localized in the v-berth, thus eliminating the bilge as a source of water, and doesn't condensate on areas where the deck is thicker (see the picture I had attached in my first email). The reason why I am looking at replacing the hatch rather than just re-sealing it is because the plastic is brittle and is cracked around 2 of the screws. The sealant that was used is silicone. Not very durable, so I'm not surprised it has to be re-sealed. The plywood core had not been protected when installing this hatch, though, so it is wet. It if not soft, though, so my hope is I can get it to dry before sealing it with epoxy and installing a new hatch. I like the idea of the Nicro vent as I am thinking of keeping the anchor in the lazarette. Thanks Mary Lou for the suggestion. Alexis On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 11:52 AM Cary Tolbert > wrote: > Alexis, for parts to the existing ports on a Rhodes 22 please try Beckson > Marine. This is the OME parts place. > You can even print their installation instructions. They will sell direct > to individuals and are located in Bridgeport, CT. > > > > Cary Tolbert > S/V Whisper '86 > > > On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 11:30 AM Graham Stewart > > wrote: > > > Alexis: > > > > All the responses before mine are completely sensible. I also wonder > > whether > > the source is really the deck hatch or condensation. Pouring water on the > > hatch would tell you if it is leaking. Further, you would want to know if > > the leak is between the outside of the port and the deck hole or the > inside > > where it is threaded. If it leaks around the outside then, as others > > suggest, rebedding is what is sufficient - provided, of course that you > can > > get it out of the deck hole without destroying it. If silicone was used > it > > should not be difficult to remove and also would likely explain why it is > > leaking. If something like 5200 was used, you might need dynamite to get > it > > out. > > > > If the port is leaking internally, replacement is probably the best > choice. > > If the leak is around the outside seal be sure to check your core > material > > incase water has been entering the core and doing its nasty work. In any > > event I would strongly recommend that you seal the core edge very well > with > > epoxy and not rely solely on sealant. By the way, I like to use butyl > tape > > rather than sealant in such places if there is any possibility that you > > might need to remove the hatch again in the future. > > > > As for the coaming frame, if you can't get one from Stan or anyone else > you > > might do what I did and install edge trim such as this: > > > > > https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00KGAKG2G/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie > > =UTF8&psc=1 > > < > https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00KGAKG2G/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie =UTF8&psc=1 > > > > . Note that is the Canadian Amazon site and you would want to > > look it up on the US site. The frame would certainly look much better if > > you > > can find it. > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf > > Of > > Alexis Seigneurin > > Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 10:54 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? > > > > Hi there, > > > > I found today that there was quite a lot of water on the ceiling of the > > V-berth of my boat (see attached picture). Fortunately, there's some kind > > of triangular bucket that collects this water, so nothing got damaged in > > the V-berth. > > > > I found that the inspection hatch that is at the bow of the boat was the > > culprit for this leak. I went to West Marine but couldn't find a > > replacement. The inside diameter is 3-1/2", but the smallest that was > > available in store was 4". > > > > My questions are: > > - What is this hatch used for? > > - Should I replace this hatch with an identical one, or should I open a > > larger hole to fit a 4" hatch? > > - If I should get an identical hatch, any idea where I can find one? > > > > I would also like to replace the plastic frame of the cockpit shelves. > One > > of them is broken, but again, West Marine doesn't seem to have that in > > store. Do you happen to know where I can find replacement parts? > > > > Pictures attached so that you can see what I mean. > > > > Thanks! > > Alexis > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_7020.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 261546 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/a > > ttachment.jpg > > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/at tachment.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_7055.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 292523 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/a > > ttachment-0001.jpg > > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/at tachment-0001.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_7050.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 119643 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/a > > ttachment-0002.jpg > > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/at tachment-0002.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_7035.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 132791 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/a > > ttachment-0003.jpg > > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/at tachment-0003.jpg > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > > to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Image-2.png Type: image/jpeg Size: 996181 bytes Desc: Image-2.png URL: From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Mon Jan 7 22:47:31 2019 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2019 22:47:31 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? In-Reply-To: References: <004f01d4a6a6$3a36aa30$aea3fe90$@ca> <007301d4a6c6$1c0349e0$5409dda0$@ca> Message-ID: <009901d4a704$e2296b20$a67c4160$@ca> Alexis: The photos didn't come through properly. What year is your boat? Mine is an older boat built in 1976. I know that in later years Stan substantially improved the deck construction. I found that the plywood core of my boat had gradually delaminated throughout the deck. Not only that, but the various layers of the plywood had also delaminated and the top layer had delaminated from the deck skin as well. The plywood seemed to be just cheap plywood and the adhesive that bound it all to the skins seemed to be sealant that was spread with a calking gun very sparingly and often had not even been squeezed against the glass. I was able to separate the liner from the plywood and remove most of the plywood from the deck skin with my hands. What I thought might be rot, when I found the deck had become soft, was delamination. I have posted photos and descriptions of what I did to repair the deck and that should all be in the archives but if you are interested and can't find the postings I can send it out again. In the mean time I have attached two picture of the edge of the deck after I cut the foredeck off. You will see the delimitation. If the deck isn't soft or giving you other problems I would let it pass. The fix, which involves injecting epoxy through the deck skin into the core is time consuming and also requires that the deck skin be restored. That was a huge amount of work and might well be unnecessary. Graham Graham Stewart Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Alexis Seigneurin Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 9:42 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? It turns out I have a picture that shows the core of the deck after removing the hatch. I am attaching it here. It looks like the bottom part of the fiberglass is delaminated. Not sure how big of an issue this is yet... [Image] Alexis ________________________________ From: Alexis Seigneurin Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 4:59 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? Cary: I contacted Beckson as per your suggestion for the coaming frames, but they don't have that :( Graham: that sounds good. I will inspect how much water made it into the core. Thanks, Alexis On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 3:18 PM Graham Stewart > wrote: Alexis: The cracks are definitely a sign that the port needs to be replaced. I would suggest that you try to drill into the core from inside the hole to see how deep the water has penetrated. Hopefully not far. The holes will also allow the core material to dry out faster and allow for the epoxy to penetrate further if you use a syringe. If the damp wood does not go too far, I would use something like a dremmel tool to remove it and then seal with epoxy and fill with thickened epoxy. If the wood is wet further in than what you can remove you might have a more involved repair on your hands. In that case I would drill up through the liner in a pattern of holes that fan out from the hole until you hit dry wood. Drill lots of holes where the wood is wet. You now need to let it dry out. Test for dryness with new holes. It might take a long time unless you can figure out a way to push warm air into the core. I used a shop vac for this purpose. You would then need to figure out a way to inject epoxy into the core without it all running back out -perhaps with tape. When I did mine I drilled the holes from above because I knew I was going to glass and paint the whole deck anyway. That meant that the epoxy didn't drip through. It might still be easier even if you have to patch a section of the deck. I had a leak around a holding tank vent in my dick. I actually removed the deck and separated the liner and removed the core plywood - something that turned out to be unnecessary. My point in telling you this is that when I got to examine the plywood I found that while the hole for the vent was only about 1/2" in diameter, the wet plywood extended out about a foot. If I had sealed the edge of the plywood at the hole when it was dry I would have sealed in all the water-infused plywood that was further in. Hopefully you caught the leak early on and none of this is necessary. Graham Stewart Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Alexis Seigneurin Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 2:32 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? Thanks all for your replies and suggestions. Just to confirm, the water on the ceiling of the v-berth *is* condensation: water leaks into the triangular tray/bucket, accumulates there, then temperature changes make the water condensate on the ceiling (boat is in Deltaville, and Sunday was a warm day, but night was cold). Water is localized in the v-berth, thus eliminating the bilge as a source of water, and doesn't condensate on areas where the deck is thicker (see the picture I had attached in my first email). The reason why I am looking at replacing the hatch rather than just re-sealing it is because the plastic is brittle and is cracked around 2 of the screws. The sealant that was used is silicone. Not very durable, so I'm not surprised it has to be re-sealed. The plywood core had not been protected when installing this hatch, though, so it is wet. It if not soft, though, so my hope is I can get it to dry before sealing it with epoxy and installing a new hatch. I like the idea of the Nicro vent as I am thinking of keeping the anchor in the lazarette. Thanks Mary Lou for the suggestion. Alexis On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 11:52 AM Cary Tolbert > wrote: > Alexis, for parts to the existing ports on a Rhodes 22 please try Beckson > Marine. This is the OME parts place. > You can even print their installation instructions. They will sell direct > to individuals and are located in Bridgeport, CT. > > > > Cary Tolbert > S/V Whisper '86 > > > On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 11:30 AM Graham Stewart > > wrote: > > > Alexis: > > > > All the responses before mine are completely sensible. I also wonder > > whether > > the source is really the deck hatch or condensation. Pouring water on the > > hatch would tell you if it is leaking. Further, you would want to know if > > the leak is between the outside of the port and the deck hole or the > inside > > where it is threaded. If it leaks around the outside then, as others > > suggest, rebedding is what is sufficient - provided, of course that you > can > > get it out of the deck hole without destroying it. If silicone was used > it > > should not be difficult to remove and also would likely explain why it is > > leaking. If something like 5200 was used, you might need dynamite to get > it > > out. > > > > If the port is leaking internally, replacement is probably the best > choice. > > If the leak is around the outside seal be sure to check your core > material > > incase water has been entering the core and doing its nasty work. In any > > event I would strongly recommend that you seal the core edge very well > with > > epoxy and not rely solely on sealant. By the way, I like to use butyl > tape > > rather than sealant in such places if there is any possibility that you > > might need to remove the hatch again in the future. > > > > As for the coaming frame, if you can't get one from Stan or anyone else > you > > might do what I did and install edge trim such as this: > > > > > https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00KGAKG2G/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie > > =UTF8&psc=1 > > < > https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00KGAKG2G/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie =UTF8&psc=1 > > > > . Note that is the Canadian Amazon site and you would want to > > look it up on the US site. The frame would certainly look much better if > > you > > can find it. > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf > > Of > > Alexis Seigneurin > > Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 10:54 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? > > > > Hi there, > > > > I found today that there was quite a lot of water on the ceiling of the > > V-berth of my boat (see attached picture). Fortunately, there's some kind > > of triangular bucket that collects this water, so nothing got damaged in > > the V-berth. > > > > I found that the inspection hatch that is at the bow of the boat was the > > culprit for this leak. I went to West Marine but couldn't find a > > replacement. The inside diameter is 3-1/2", but the smallest that was > > available in store was 4". > > > > My questions are: > > - What is this hatch used for? > > - Should I replace this hatch with an identical one, or should I open a > > larger hole to fit a 4" hatch? > > - If I should get an identical hatch, any idea where I can find one? > > > > I would also like to replace the plastic frame of the cockpit shelves. > One > > of them is broken, but again, West Marine doesn't seem to have that in > > store. Do you happen to know where I can find replacement parts? > > > > Pictures attached so that you can see what I mean. > > > > Thanks! > > Alexis > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_7020.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 261546 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/a > > ttachment.jpg > > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/at tachment.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_7055.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 292523 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/a > > ttachment-0001.jpg > > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/at tachment-0001.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_7050.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 119643 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/a > > ttachment-0002.jpg > > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/at tachment-0002.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_7035.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 132791 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/a > > ttachment-0003.jpg > > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/at tachment-0003.jpg > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > > to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <009901d4a704$e2296b20$a67c4160$@ca> References: <004f01d4a6a6$3a36aa30$aea3fe90$@ca> <007301d4a6c6$1c0349e0$5409dda0$@ca> , <009901d4a704$e2296b20$a67c4160$@ca> Message-ID: Graham, It looks like you went through a very extensive restoration project. I am seriously impressed by the amount of work you put into this. I don?t think my boat - built in 1992- is anywhere close to that stage of delamination. Hopefully this is just localized around the hatch... The picture I sent earlier can be seen here: http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190108/95e7305d/attachment.jpe Alexis Alexis ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Graham Stewart Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 10:47 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? Alexis: The photos didn't come through properly. What year is your boat? Mine is an older boat built in 1976. I know that in later years Stan substantially improved the deck construction. I found that the plywood core of my boat had gradually delaminated throughout the deck. Not only that, but the various layers of the plywood had also delaminated and the top layer had delaminated from the deck skin as well. The plywood seemed to be just cheap plywood and the adhesive that bound it all to the skins seemed to be sealant that was spread with a calking gun very sparingly and often had not even been squeezed against the glass. I was able to separate the liner from the plywood and remove most of the plywood from the deck skin with my hands. What I thought might be rot, when I found the deck had become soft, was delamination. I have posted photos and descriptions of what I did to repair the deck and that should all be in the archives but if you are interested and can't find the postings I can send it out again. In the mean time I have attached two picture of the edge of the deck after I cut the foredeck off. You will see the delimitation. If the deck isn't soft or giving you other problems I would let it pass. The fix, which involves injecting epoxy through the deck skin into the core is time consuming and also requires that the deck skin be restored. That was a huge amount of work and might well be unnecessary. Graham Graham Stewart Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Alexis Seigneurin Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 9:42 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? It turns out I have a picture that shows the core of the deck after removing the hatch. I am attaching it here. It looks like the bottom part of the fiberglass is delaminated. Not sure how big of an issue this is yet... [Image] Alexis ________________________________ From: Alexis Seigneurin Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 4:59 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? Cary: I contacted Beckson as per your suggestion for the coaming frames, but they don't have that :( Graham: that sounds good. I will inspect how much water made it into the core. Thanks, Alexis On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 3:18 PM Graham Stewart > wrote: Alexis: The cracks are definitely a sign that the port needs to be replaced. I would suggest that you try to drill into the core from inside the hole to see how deep the water has penetrated. Hopefully not far. The holes will also allow the core material to dry out faster and allow for the epoxy to penetrate further if you use a syringe. If the damp wood does not go too far, I would use something like a dremmel tool to remove it and then seal with epoxy and fill with thickened epoxy. If the wood is wet further in than what you can remove you might have a more involved repair on your hands. In that case I would drill up through the liner in a pattern of holes that fan out from the hole until you hit dry wood. Drill lots of holes where the wood is wet. You now need to let it dry out. Test for dryness with new holes. It might take a long time unless you can figure out a way to push warm air into the core. I used a shop vac for this purpose. You would then need to figure out a way to inject epoxy into the core without it all running back out -perhaps with tape. When I did mine I drilled the holes from above because I knew I was going to glass and paint the whole deck anyway. That meant that the epoxy didn't drip through. It might still be easier even if you have to patch a section of the deck. I had a leak around a holding tank vent in my dick. I actually removed the deck and separated the liner and removed the core plywood - something that turned out to be unnecessary. My point in telling you this is that when I got to examine the plywood I found that while the hole for the vent was only about 1/2" in diameter, the wet plywood extended out about a foot. If I had sealed the edge of the plywood at the hole when it was dry I would have sealed in all the water-infused plywood that was further in. Hopefully you caught the leak early on and none of this is necessary. Graham Stewart Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Alexis Seigneurin Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 2:32 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? Thanks all for your replies and suggestions. Just to confirm, the water on the ceiling of the v-berth *is* condensation: water leaks into the triangular tray/bucket, accumulates there, then temperature changes make the water condensate on the ceiling (boat is in Deltaville, and Sunday was a warm day, but night was cold). Water is localized in the v-berth, thus eliminating the bilge as a source of water, and doesn't condensate on areas where the deck is thicker (see the picture I had attached in my first email). The reason why I am looking at replacing the hatch rather than just re-sealing it is because the plastic is brittle and is cracked around 2 of the screws. The sealant that was used is silicone. Not very durable, so I'm not surprised it has to be re-sealed. The plywood core had not been protected when installing this hatch, though, so it is wet. It if not soft, though, so my hope is I can get it to dry before sealing it with epoxy and installing a new hatch. I like the idea of the Nicro vent as I am thinking of keeping the anchor in the lazarette. Thanks Mary Lou for the suggestion. Alexis On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 11:52 AM Cary Tolbert > wrote: > Alexis, for parts to the existing ports on a Rhodes 22 please try Beckson > Marine. This is the OME parts place. > You can even print their installation instructions. They will sell direct > to individuals and are located in Bridgeport, CT. > > > > Cary Tolbert > S/V Whisper '86 > > > On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 11:30 AM Graham Stewart > > wrote: > > > Alexis: > > > > All the responses before mine are completely sensible. I also wonder > > whether > > the source is really the deck hatch or condensation. Pouring water on the > > hatch would tell you if it is leaking. Further, you would want to know if > > the leak is between the outside of the port and the deck hole or the > inside > > where it is threaded. If it leaks around the outside then, as others > > suggest, rebedding is what is sufficient - provided, of course that you > can > > get it out of the deck hole without destroying it. If silicone was used > it > > should not be difficult to remove and also would likely explain why it is > > leaking. If something like 5200 was used, you might need dynamite to get > it > > out. > > > > If the port is leaking internally, replacement is probably the best > choice. > > If the leak is around the outside seal be sure to check your core > material > > incase water has been entering the core and doing its nasty work. In any > > event I would strongly recommend that you seal the core edge very well > with > > epoxy and not rely solely on sealant. By the way, I like to use butyl > tape > > rather than sealant in such places if there is any possibility that you > > might need to remove the hatch again in the future. > > > > As for the coaming frame, if you can't get one from Stan or anyone else > you > > might do what I did and install edge trim such as this: > > > > > https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00KGAKG2G/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie > > =UTF8&psc=1 > > < > https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00KGAKG2G/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie =UTF8&psc=1 > > > > . Note that is the Canadian Amazon site and you would want to > > look it up on the US site. The frame would certainly look much better if > > you > > can find it. > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf > > Of > > Alexis Seigneurin > > Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 10:54 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? > > > > Hi there, > > > > I found today that there was quite a lot of water on the ceiling of the > > V-berth of my boat (see attached picture). Fortunately, there's some kind > > of triangular bucket that collects this water, so nothing got damaged in > > the V-berth. > > > > I found that the inspection hatch that is at the bow of the boat was the > > culprit for this leak. I went to West Marine but couldn't find a > > replacement. The inside diameter is 3-1/2", but the smallest that was > > available in store was 4". > > > > My questions are: > > - What is this hatch used for? > > - Should I replace this hatch with an identical one, or should I open a > > larger hole to fit a 4" hatch? > > - If I should get an identical hatch, any idea where I can find one? > > > > I would also like to replace the plastic frame of the cockpit shelves. > One > > of them is broken, but again, West Marine doesn't seem to have that in > > store. Do you happen to know where I can find replacement parts? > > > > Pictures attached so that you can see what I mean. > > > > Thanks! > > Alexis > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_7020.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 261546 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/a > > ttachment.jpg > > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/at tachment.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_7055.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 292523 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/a > > ttachment-0001.jpg > > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/at tachment-0001.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_7050.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 119643 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/a > > ttachment-0002.jpg > > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/at tachment-0002.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_7035.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 132791 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/a > > ttachment-0003.jpg > > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/at tachment-0003.jpg > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > > to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: Rhodes deck delamination July 2009 a.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 47049 bytes Desc: not available URL: __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Tue Jan 8 13:06:18 2019 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2019 13:06:18 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? In-Reply-To: References: <004f01d4a6a6$3a36aa30$aea3fe90$@ca> <007301d4a6c6$1c0349e0$5409dda0$@ca> <009901d4a704$e2296b20$a67c4160$@ca> Message-ID: <00b101d4a77c$dacf77c0$906e6740$@ca> Alexis: Even in my case the repair went way overboard. The problem I faced was that I didn't know the condition of the core until I exposed it. I could have fixed the soft deck with epoxy injections or simply left it soft. The problem is discerning delimitation from rot. Now that I see your picture the core looks pretty good to me, The only delamination is between the core and the liner and I would not worry about that. As long as the core is dry you should be ok. I see that the gel coat is cracked around some of the screw holes. I would suggest that you open up the cracks as much as possible and fill them with an epoxy filler. When you put the new port on chamfer the holes slightly using a countersink bit. That will prevent cracks in the future. Take care, Graham -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Alexis Seigneurin Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 11:24 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? Graham, It looks like you went through a very extensive restoration project. I am seriously impressed by the amount of work you put into this. I don't think my boat - built in 1992- is anywhere close to that stage of delamination. Hopefully this is just localized around the hatch... The picture I sent earlier can be seen here: http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190108/95e7305d/at tachment.jpe Alexis Alexis ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Graham Stewart Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 10:47 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? Alexis: The photos didn't come through properly. What year is your boat? Mine is an older boat built in 1976. I know that in later years Stan substantially improved the deck construction. I found that the plywood core of my boat had gradually delaminated throughout the deck. Not only that, but the various layers of the plywood had also delaminated and the top layer had delaminated from the deck skin as well. The plywood seemed to be just cheap plywood and the adhesive that bound it all to the skins seemed to be sealant that was spread with a calking gun very sparingly and often had not even been squeezed against the glass. I was able to separate the liner from the plywood and remove most of the plywood from the deck skin with my hands. What I thought might be rot, when I found the deck had become soft, was delamination. I have posted photos and descriptions of what I did to repair the deck and that should all be in the archives but if you are interested and can't find the postings I can send it out again. In the mean time I have attached two picture of the edge of the deck after I cut the foredeck off. You will see the delimitation. If the deck isn't soft or giving you other problems I would let it pass. The fix, which involves injecting epoxy through the deck skin into the core is time consuming and also requires that the deck skin be restored. That was a huge amount of work and might well be unnecessary. Graham Graham Stewart Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Alexis Seigneurin Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 9:42 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? It turns out I have a picture that shows the core of the deck after removing the hatch. I am attaching it here. It looks like the bottom part of the fiberglass is delaminated. Not sure how big of an issue this is yet... [Image] Alexis ________________________________ From: Alexis Seigneurin Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 4:59 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? Cary: I contacted Beckson as per your suggestion for the coaming frames, but they don't have that :( Graham: that sounds good. I will inspect how much water made it into the core. Thanks, Alexis On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 3:18 PM Graham Stewart > wrote: Alexis: The cracks are definitely a sign that the port needs to be replaced. I would suggest that you try to drill into the core from inside the hole to see how deep the water has penetrated. Hopefully not far. The holes will also allow the core material to dry out faster and allow for the epoxy to penetrate further if you use a syringe. If the damp wood does not go too far, I would use something like a dremmel tool to remove it and then seal with epoxy and fill with thickened epoxy. If the wood is wet further in than what you can remove you might have a more involved repair on your hands. In that case I would drill up through the liner in a pattern of holes that fan out from the hole until you hit dry wood. Drill lots of holes where the wood is wet. You now need to let it dry out. Test for dryness with new holes. It might take a long time unless you can figure out a way to push warm air into the core. I used a shop vac for this purpose. You would then need to figure out a way to inject epoxy into the core without it all running back out -perhaps with tape. When I did mine I drilled the holes from above because I knew I was going to glass and paint the whole deck anyway. That meant that the epoxy didn't drip through. It might still be easier even if you have to patch a section of the deck. I had a leak around a holding tank vent in my dick. I actually removed the deck and separated the liner and removed the core plywood - something that turned out to be unnecessary. My point in telling you this is that when I got to examine the plywood I found that while the hole for the vent was only about 1/2" in diameter, the wet plywood extended out about a foot. If I had sealed the edge of the plywood at the hole when it was dry I would have sealed in all the water-infused plywood that was further in. Hopefully you caught the leak early on and none of this is necessary. Graham Stewart Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Alexis Seigneurin Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 2:32 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? Thanks all for your replies and suggestions. Just to confirm, the water on the ceiling of the v-berth *is* condensation: water leaks into the triangular tray/bucket, accumulates there, then temperature changes make the water condensate on the ceiling (boat is in Deltaville, and Sunday was a warm day, but night was cold). Water is localized in the v-berth, thus eliminating the bilge as a source of water, and doesn't condensate on areas where the deck is thicker (see the picture I had attached in my first email). The reason why I am looking at replacing the hatch rather than just re-sealing it is because the plastic is brittle and is cracked around 2 of the screws. The sealant that was used is silicone. Not very durable, so I'm not surprised it has to be re-sealed. The plywood core had not been protected when installing this hatch, though, so it is wet. It if not soft, though, so my hope is I can get it to dry before sealing it with epoxy and installing a new hatch. I like the idea of the Nicro vent as I am thinking of keeping the anchor in the lazarette. Thanks Mary Lou for the suggestion. Alexis On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 11:52 AM Cary Tolbert > wrote: > Alexis, for parts to the existing ports on a Rhodes 22 please try Beckson > Marine. This is the OME parts place. > You can even print their installation instructions. They will sell direct > to individuals and are located in Bridgeport, CT. > > > > Cary Tolbert > S/V Whisper '86 > > > On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 11:30 AM Graham Stewart > > wrote: > > > Alexis: > > > > All the responses before mine are completely sensible. I also wonder > > whether > > the source is really the deck hatch or condensation. Pouring water on the > > hatch would tell you if it is leaking. Further, you would want to know if > > the leak is between the outside of the port and the deck hole or the > inside > > where it is threaded. If it leaks around the outside then, as others > > suggest, rebedding is what is sufficient - provided, of course that you > can > > get it out of the deck hole without destroying it. If silicone was used > it > > should not be difficult to remove and also would likely explain why it is > > leaking. If something like 5200 was used, you might need dynamite to get > it > > out. > > > > If the port is leaking internally, replacement is probably the best > choice. > > If the leak is around the outside seal be sure to check your core > material > > incase water has been entering the core and doing its nasty work. In any > > event I would strongly recommend that you seal the core edge very well > with > > epoxy and not rely solely on sealant. By the way, I like to use butyl > tape > > rather than sealant in such places if there is any possibility that you > > might need to remove the hatch again in the future. > > > > As for the coaming frame, if you can't get one from Stan or anyone else > you > > might do what I did and install edge trim such as this: > > > > > https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00KGAKG2G/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie > > =UTF8&psc=1 > > < > https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00KGAKG2G/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie =UTF8&psc=1 > > > > . Note that is the Canadian Amazon site and you would want to > > look it up on the US site. The frame would certainly look much better if > > you > > can find it. > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf > > Of > > Alexis Seigneurin > > Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 10:54 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? > > > > Hi there, > > > > I found today that there was quite a lot of water on the ceiling of the > > V-berth of my boat (see attached picture). Fortunately, there's some kind > > of triangular bucket that collects this water, so nothing got damaged in > > the V-berth. > > > > I found that the inspection hatch that is at the bow of the boat was the > > culprit for this leak. I went to West Marine but couldn't find a > > replacement. The inside diameter is 3-1/2", but the smallest that was > > available in store was 4". > > > > My questions are: > > - What is this hatch used for? > > - Should I replace this hatch with an identical one, or should I open a > > larger hole to fit a 4" hatch? > > - If I should get an identical hatch, any idea where I can find one? > > > > I would also like to replace the plastic frame of the cockpit shelves. > One > > of them is broken, but again, West Marine doesn't seem to have that in > > store. Do you happen to know where I can find replacement parts? > > > > Pictures attached so that you can see what I mean. > > > > Thanks! > > Alexis > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_7020.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 261546 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/a > > ttachment.jpg > > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/at tachment.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_7055.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 292523 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/a > > ttachment-0001.jpg > > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/at tachment-0001.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_7050.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 119643 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/a > > ttachment-0002.jpg > > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/at tachment-0002.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_7035.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 132791 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/a > > ttachment-0003.jpg > > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/at tachment-0003.jpg > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > > to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: Rhodes deck delamination July 2009 a.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 47049 bytes Desc: not available URL: __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 14:26:51 2019 From: alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com (Alexis Seigneurin) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2019 14:26:51 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? In-Reply-To: <00b101d4a77c$dacf77c0$906e6740$@ca> References: <004f01d4a6a6$3a36aa30$aea3fe90$@ca> <007301d4a6c6$1c0349e0$5409dda0$@ca> <009901d4a704$e2296b20$a67c4160$@ca> <00b101d4a77c$dacf77c0$906e6740$@ca> Message-ID: Thanks Graham. I will look at doing that next time I go work on the boat. Alexis On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 1:06 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > Alexis: > > Even in my case the repair went way overboard. The problem I faced was that > I didn't know the condition of the core until I exposed it. I could have > fixed the soft deck with epoxy injections or simply left it soft. The > problem is discerning delimitation from rot. > > Now that I see your picture the core looks pretty good to me, The only > delamination is between the core and the liner and I would not worry about > that. As long as the core is dry you should be ok. > > I see that the gel coat is cracked around some of the screw holes. I would > suggest that you open up the cracks as much as possible and fill them with > an epoxy filler. When you put the new port on chamfer the holes slightly > using a countersink bit. That will prevent cracks in the future. > > Take care, > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of > Alexis Seigneurin > Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 11:24 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? > > Graham, > > It looks like you went through a very extensive restoration project. I am > seriously impressed by the amount of work you put into this. > > I don't think my boat - built in 1992- is anywhere close to that stage of > delamination. Hopefully this is just localized around the hatch... > > The picture I sent earlier can be seen here: > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190108/95e7305d/at > tachment.jpe > Alexis > > Alexis > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Graham > Stewart > Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 10:47 PM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? > > Alexis: > > The photos didn't come through properly. What year is your boat? Mine is an > older boat built in 1976. I know that in later years Stan substantially > improved the deck construction. > > I found that the plywood core of my boat had gradually delaminated > throughout the deck. Not only that, but the various layers of the plywood > had also delaminated and the top layer had delaminated from the deck skin > as > well. The plywood seemed to be just cheap plywood and the adhesive that > bound it all to the skins seemed to be sealant that was spread with a > calking gun very sparingly and often had not even been squeezed against the > glass. I was able to separate the liner from the plywood and remove most of > the plywood from the deck skin with my hands. What I thought might be rot, > when I found the deck had become soft, was delamination. > > I have posted photos and descriptions of what I did to repair the deck and > that should all be in the archives but if you are interested and can't find > the postings I can send it out again. In the mean time I have attached two > picture of the edge of the deck after I cut the foredeck off. You will see > the delimitation. > > If the deck isn't soft or giving you other problems I would let it pass. > The > fix, which involves injecting epoxy through the deck skin into the core is > time consuming and also requires that the deck skin be restored. That was a > huge amount of work and might well be unnecessary. > > Graham > > Graham Stewart > Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of > Alexis Seigneurin > Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 9:42 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? > > It turns out I have a picture that shows the core of the deck after > removing > the hatch. I am attaching it here. > > It looks like the bottom part of the fiberglass is delaminated. Not sure > how > big of an issue this is yet... > > [Image] > > Alexis > > > ________________________________ > From: Alexis Seigneurin > Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 4:59 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? > > Cary: I contacted Beckson as per your suggestion for the coaming frames, > but > they don't have that :( > > Graham: that sounds good. I will inspect how much water made it into the > core. > > Thanks, > Alexis > > On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 3:18 PM Graham Stewart > > wrote: > Alexis: > The cracks are definitely a sign that the port needs to be replaced. > > I would suggest that you try to drill into the core from inside the hole to > see how deep the water has penetrated. Hopefully not far. The holes will > also allow the core material to dry out faster and allow for the epoxy to > penetrate further if you use a syringe. If the damp wood does not go too > far, I would use something like a dremmel tool to remove it and then seal > with epoxy and fill with thickened epoxy. > > If the wood is wet further in than what you can remove you might have a > more > involved repair on your hands. In that case I would drill up through the > liner in a pattern of holes that fan out from the hole until you hit dry > wood. Drill lots of holes where the wood is wet. You now need to let it dry > out. Test for dryness with new holes. It might take a long time unless you > can figure out a way to push warm air into the core. I used a shop vac for > this purpose. You would then need to figure out a way to inject epoxy into > the core without it all running back out -perhaps with tape. When I did > mine > I drilled the holes from above because I knew I was going to glass and > paint > the whole deck anyway. That meant that the epoxy didn't drip through. It > might still be easier even if you have to patch a section of the deck. > > I had a leak around a holding tank vent in my dick. I actually removed the > deck and separated the liner and removed the core plywood - something that > turned out to be unnecessary. My point in telling you this is that when I > got to examine the plywood I found that while the hole for the vent was > only > about 1/2" in diameter, the wet plywood extended out about a foot. If I had > sealed the edge of the plywood at the hole when it was dry I would have > sealed in all the water-infused plywood that was further in. > > Hopefully you caught the leak early on and none of this is necessary. > > > Graham Stewart > Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 > Kingston Ontario > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org rhodes22-list-bounces at rhod > es22.org>] On Behalf Of > Alexis Seigneurin > Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 2:32 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? > > Thanks all for your replies and suggestions. > > Just to confirm, the water on the ceiling of the v-berth *is* condensation: > water leaks into the triangular tray/bucket, accumulates there, then > temperature changes make the water condensate on the ceiling (boat is in > Deltaville, and Sunday was a warm day, but night was cold). Water is > localized in the v-berth, thus eliminating the bilge as a source of water, > and doesn't condensate on areas where the deck is thicker (see the picture > I had attached in my first email). > > The reason why I am looking at replacing the hatch rather than just > re-sealing it is because the plastic is brittle and is cracked around 2 of > the screws. > > The sealant that was used is silicone. Not very durable, so I'm not > surprised it has to be re-sealed. The plywood core had not been protected > when installing this hatch, though, so it is wet. It if not soft, though, > so my hope is I can get it to dry before sealing it with epoxy and > installing a new hatch. > > I like the idea of the Nicro vent as I am thinking of keeping the anchor in > the lazarette. Thanks Mary Lou for the suggestion. > > Alexis > > On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 11:52 AM Cary Tolbert > > wrote: > > > Alexis, for parts to the existing ports on a Rhodes 22 please try Beckson > > Marine. This is the OME parts place. > > You can even print their installation instructions. They will sell direct > > to individuals and are located in Bridgeport, CT. > > > > > > > > Cary Tolbert > > S/V Whisper '86 > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 11:30 AM Graham Stewart > > > > wrote: > > > > > Alexis: > > > > > > All the responses before mine are completely sensible. I also wonder > > > whether > > > the source is really the deck hatch or condensation. Pouring water on > the > > > hatch would tell you if it is leaking. Further, you would want to know > if > > > the leak is between the outside of the port and the deck hole or the > > inside > > > where it is threaded. If it leaks around the outside then, as others > > > suggest, rebedding is what is sufficient - provided, of course that you > > can > > > get it out of the deck hole without destroying it. If silicone was used > > it > > > should not be difficult to remove and also would likely explain why it > is > > > leaking. If something like 5200 was used, you might need dynamite to > get > > it > > > out. > > > > > > If the port is leaking internally, replacement is probably the best > > choice. > > > If the leak is around the outside seal be sure to check your core > > material > > > incase water has been entering the core and doing its nasty work. In > any > > > event I would strongly recommend that you seal the core edge very well > > with > > > epoxy and not rely solely on sealant. By the way, I like to use butyl > > tape > > > rather than sealant in such places if there is any possibility that you > > > might need to remove the hatch again in the future. > > > > > > As for the coaming frame, if you can't get one from Stan or anyone else > > you > > > might do what I did and install edge trim such as this: > > > > > > > > > > https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00KGAKG2G/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie > > > =UTF8&psc=1 > > > < > > > > https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00KGAKG2G/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie > =UTF8&psc=1 > > e_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 > > > > > > > > > . Note that is the Canadian Amazon site and you would want to > > > look it up on the US site. The frame would certainly look much better > if > > > you > > > can find it. > > > > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 > > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rhodes22-list > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org rhodes22-list-bounces at rhod > es22.org>] On > > Behalf > > > Of > > > Alexis Seigneurin > > > Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 10:54 PM > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where to find parts? > > > > > > Hi there, > > > > > > I found today that there was quite a lot of water on the ceiling of the > > > V-berth of my boat (see attached picture). Fortunately, there's some > kind > > > of triangular bucket that collects this water, so nothing got damaged > in > > > the V-berth. > > > > > > I found that the inspection hatch that is at the bow of the boat was > the > > > culprit for this leak. I went to West Marine but couldn't find a > > > replacement. The inside diameter is 3-1/2", but the smallest that was > > > available in store was 4". > > > > > > My questions are: > > > - What is this hatch used for? > > > - Should I replace this hatch with an identical one, or should I open a > > > larger hole to fit a 4" hatch? > > > - If I should get an identical hatch, any idea where I can find one? > > > > > > I would also like to replace the plastic frame of the cockpit shelves. > > One > > > of them is broken, but again, West Marine doesn't seem to have that in > > > store. Do you happen to know where I can find replacement parts? > > > > > > Pictures attached so that you can see what I mean. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > Alexis > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: IMG_7020.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 261546 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: > > > < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/a > > > ttachment.jpg > > > < > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/at > tachment.jpg > > 6/58539771/attachment.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: IMG_7055.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 292523 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: > > > < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190106/58539771/a > > > ttachment-0001.jpg > > > < > > > > 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16:41:51 2019 From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 21:41:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Silicone sealant used on cabin windows References: <2088650048.16575082.1547156511092.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2088650048.16575082.1547156511092@mail.yahoo.com> Guys,One of our veteran skippers may know the special sealant which is used on the windows on our boat. It is unique because of the material used to make the window frame. Anyone recall?Art Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From retiredtoby at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 17:40:51 2019 From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 17:40:51 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Silicone sealant used on cabin windows In-Reply-To: <2088650048.16575082.1547156511092@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2088650048.16575082.1547156511092.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2088650048.16575082.1547156511092@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Art, Beckson Marine who makes port lights says to use ONLY 100% silicone sealant. On my '86, Beckson is the name on the frames. Their think (as posted) says most sealants will only last 10 years and that silicone should last over 50 years. This is their business, so my guess would be to follow their advice. Cary S/V Whisper '86 On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 4:41 PM Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Guys,One of our veteran skippers may know the special sealant which is > used on the windows on our boat. It is unique because of the material used > to make the window frame. Anyone recall?Art > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Thu Jan 10 18:25:11 2019 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (mweisner at ebsmed.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 18:25:11 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Silicone sealant used on cabin windows In-Reply-To: References: <2088650048.16575082.1547156511092.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2088650048.16575082.1547156511092@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002101d4a93b$bc348470$349d8d50$@ebsmed.com> The problem with the silicone sealant is that it is meant to used as a compression gasket material. The port light plastic tends to pull away from the complex curves of the fiberglass surface since the materials expand and contract at different rates. The plastic fails to compress the silicone over time and the seal fails. The silicone material may last 50 years but, in my experience, the seal fails in 3 to 4 years. An alternative sealant suggested by Rummy for the hull joint but may work fine here is as follows (thank you Graham): For those who want more information on the sealant Rummy used for his deck hull join now called Master Seal NP-1 (formerly Sonolastic NP 1) the spec sheet is available here: http://assets.master-builders-solutions.basf.com/Shared%20Documents/EB%20Con struction%20Chemcials%20-%20US/Construction%20Systems/Data%20Guides/MasterSe al/basf-masterseal-np-1-tds.pdf . (Note: The link is still valid on 1-10-19, copy attached) The sealant seems to have all of the properties that would be advisable for such an application such as high flexibility, can be immersed in water, tenacious, sticks to anything and is available in a range of colours such as off white. It appears to be available at Home Depot and is much cheaper than the traditional marine sealants. It is not clear that Beckson Marine would recommend it but it probably wouldn't hurt the plastic. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Cary Tolbert Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:41 PM To: Art Czerwonky ; The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Silicone sealant used on cabin windows Art, Beckson Marine who makes port lights says to use ONLY 100% silicone sealant. On my '86, Beckson is the name on the frames. Their think (as posted) says most sealants will only last 10 years and that silicone should last over 50 years. This is their business, so my guess would be to follow their advice. Cary S/V Whisper '86 On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 4:41 PM Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Guys,One of our veteran skippers may know the special sealant which is > used on the windows on our boat. It is unique because of the material > used to make the window frame. Anyone recall?Art > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: basf-masterseal-np-1-tds.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 162222 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Thu Jan 10 18:30:10 2019 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 18:30:10 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Silicone sealant used on cabin windows In-Reply-To: <2088650048.16575082.1547156511092@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2088650048.16575082.1547156511092.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2088650048.16575082.1547156511092@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006901d4a93c$6d8b88e0$48a29aa0$@ca> One of the few places where one uses silicone on a boat is with plastic windows. Stuff like 5200 or 4200 are incompatible. I don't know what was used in this particular case but I suspect it was silicone and that would probably be the safest choice if you can't identify what was used. Graham Stewart Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 4:42 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Silicone sealant used on cabin windows Guys,One of our veteran skippers may know the special sealant which is used on the windows on our boat. It is unique because of the material used to make the window frame. Anyone recall?Art Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From djbaines05 at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 20:14:42 2019 From: djbaines05 at gmail.com (David Baines) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 20:14:42 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Silicone sealant used on cabin windows In-Reply-To: <006901d4a93c$6d8b88e0$48a29aa0$@ca> References: <2088650048.16575082.1547156511092.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2088650048.16575082.1547156511092@mail.yahoo.com> <006901d4a93c$6d8b88e0$48a29aa0$@ca> Message-ID: Anybody rebedded the ports with butyl tape? Last weekend I took mine out and was planning to do so. I refuse to use silicone. DJ On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 6:30 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > One of the few places where one uses silicone on a boat is with plastic > windows. Stuff like 5200 or 4200 are incompatible. I don't know what was > used in this particular case but I suspect it was silicone and that would > probably be the safest choice if you can't identify what was used. > > > Graham Stewart > Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 > Kingston Ontario > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of > Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 4:42 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Silicone sealant used on cabin windows > > Guys,One of our veteran skippers may know the special sealant which is used > on the windows on our boat. It is unique because of the material used to > make the window frame. Anyone recall?Art > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From stan at rhodes22.com Thu Jan 10 20:34:51 2019 From: stan at rhodes22.com (stan spitzer) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 01:34:51 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Silicone sealant used on cabin windows In-Reply-To: <002101d4a93b$bc348470$349d8d50$@ebsmed.com> References: <2088650048.16575082.1547156511092.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2088650048.16575082.1547156511092@mail.yahoo.com> <002101d4a93b$bc348470$349d8d50$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: <4e6b3ca7-d885-710d-1de7-40cbd3c4d040@rhodes22.com> OK, I can't take it any more. We use a foam as a gasket under pressure so it will expand to fill voids. Never any type of sealants. If you insist on a sealant, put on a lot. Screw the window gently in place. Clean up any excess. Come back later when the sealant has set up and formed its own shaped gasket, and finish installing the port. On 1/10/19 6:25 PM, mweisner at ebsmed.com wrote: The problem with the silicone sealant is that it is meant to used as a compression gasket material. The port light plastic tends to pull away from the complex curves of the fiberglass surface since the materials expand and contract at different rates. The plastic fails to compress the silicone over time and the seal fails. The silicone material may last 50 years but, in my experience, the seal fails in 3 to 4 years. An alternative sealant suggested by Rummy for the hull joint but may work fine here is as follows (thank you Graham): For those who want more information on the sealant Rummy used for his deck hull join now called Master Seal NP-1 (formerly Sonolastic NP 1) the spec sheet is available here: http://assets.master-builders-solutions.basf.com/Shared%20Documents/EB%20Con struction%20Chemcials%20-%20US/Construction%20Systems/Data%20Guides/MasterSe al/basf-masterseal-np-1-tds.pdf . (Note: The link is still valid on 1-10-19, copy attached) The sealant seems to have all of the properties that would be advisable for such an application such as high flexibility, can be immersed in water, tenacious, sticks to anything and is available in a range of colours such as off white. It appears to be available at Home Depot and is much cheaper than the traditional marine sealants. It is not clear that Beckson Marine would recommend it but it probably wouldn't hurt the plastic. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Cary Tolbert Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:41 PM To: Art Czerwonky ; The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Silicone sealant used on cabin windows Art, Beckson Marine who makes port lights says to use ONLY 100% silicone sealant. On my '86, Beckson is the name on the frames. Their think (as posted) says most sealants will only last 10 years and that silicone should last over 50 years. This is their business, so my guess would be to follow their advice. Cary S/V Whisper '86 On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 4:41 PM Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: Guys,One of our veteran skippers may know the special sealant which is used on the windows on our boat. It is unique because of the material used to make the window frame. Anyone recall?Art Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I am interested. The silicone I used for my windows was Dow Corning 791. Graham Stewart Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of stan spitzer Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 8:35 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Silicone sealant used on cabin windows OK, I can't take it any more. We use a foam as a gasket under pressure so it will expand to fill voids. Never any type of sealants. If you insist on a sealant, put on a lot. Screw the window gently in place. Clean up any excess. Come back later when the sealant has set up and formed its own shaped gasket, and finish installing the port. On 1/10/19 6:25 PM, mweisner at ebsmed.com wrote: The problem with the silicone sealant is that it is meant to used as a compression gasket material. The port light plastic tends to pull away from the complex curves of the fiberglass surface since the materials expand and contract at different rates. The plastic fails to compress the silicone over time and the seal fails. The silicone material may last 50 years but, in my experience, the seal fails in 3 to 4 years. An alternative sealant suggested by Rummy for the hull joint but may work fine here is as follows (thank you Graham): For those who want more information on the sealant Rummy used for his deck hull join now called Master Seal NP-1 (formerly Sonolastic NP 1) the spec sheet is available here: http://assets.master-builders-solutions.basf.com/Shared%20Documents/EB%20Con struction%20Chemcials%20-%20US/Construction%20Systems/Data%20Guides/MasterSe al/basf-masterseal-np-1-tds.pdf . (Note: The link is still valid on 1-10-19, copy attached) The sealant seems to have all of the properties that would be advisable for such an application such as high flexibility, can be immersed in water, tenacious, sticks to anything and is available in a range of colours such as off white. It appears to be available at Home Depot and is much cheaper than the traditional marine sealants. It is not clear that Beckson Marine would recommend it but it probably wouldn't hurt the plastic. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Cary Tolbert Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:41 PM To: Art Czerwonky ; The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Silicone sealant used on cabin windows Art, Beckson Marine who makes port lights says to use ONLY 100% silicone sealant. On my '86, Beckson is the name on the frames. Their think (as posted) says most sealants will only last 10 years and that silicone should last over 50 years. This is their business, so my guess would be to follow their advice. Cary S/V Whisper '86 On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 4:41 PM Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: Guys,One of our veteran skippers may know the special sealant which is used on the windows on our boat. It is unique because of the material used to make the window frame. Anyone recall?Art Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: basf-masterseal-np-1-tds.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 162222 bytes Desc: not available URL: __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Thu Jan 10 23:50:03 2019 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 23:50:03 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Silicone sealant used on cabin windows In-Reply-To: References: <2088650048.16575082.1547156511092.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2088650048.16575082.1547156511092@mail.yahoo.com> <006901d4a93c$6d8b88e0$48a29aa0$@ca> Message-ID: <007801d4a969$1ddb0460$59910d20$@ca> I love butyl tape as a sealant for hardware above the waterline and used it extensively on my boat but you need to keep in mind that it has very little adhesive strength - which you want with windows. Further, to create a proper seal it needs to be compressed very firmly until the butyl squeezes out of the joint. Personally I would be reluctant to use it for windows where you want the joint to have some space so that there is room for movement through the difference in thermal expansion between the window and the deck - especially on larger windows. Graham Stewart Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of David Baines Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 8:15 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Silicone sealant used on cabin windows Anybody rebedded the ports with butyl tape? Last weekend I took mine out and was planning to do so. I refuse to use silicone. DJ On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 6:30 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > One of the few places where one uses silicone on a boat is with plastic > windows. Stuff like 5200 or 4200 are incompatible. I don't know what was > used in this particular case but I suspect it was silicone and that would > probably be the safest choice if you can't identify what was used. > > > Graham Stewart > Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 > Kingston Ontario > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of > Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 4:42 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Silicone sealant used on cabin windows > > Guys,One of our veteran skippers may know the special sealant which is used > on the windows on our boat. It is unique because of the material used to > make the window frame. Anyone recall?Art > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From stan at rhodes22.com Fri Jan 11 02:31:23 2019 From: stan at rhodes22.com (stan spitzer) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 07:31:23 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Silicone sealant used on cabin windows In-Reply-To: <007701d4a967$e50d0b70$af272250$@ca> References: <2088650048.16575082.1547156511092.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2088650048.16575082.1547156511092@mail.yahoo.com> <002101d4a93b$bc348470$349d8d50$@ebsmed.com> <4e6b3ca7-d885-710d-1de7-40cbd3c4d040@rhodes22.com> <007701d4a967$e50d0b70$af272250$@ca> Message-ID: sorry Graham, I left the word "tape" out after "foam". It has an adhesive backing on one face so we can apply it to the rim of the window frame before installation. Should any of the foam tape protrude beyond the frame, from compression after installation, it is trimmed. The frames need not, probably should not, be fastened as tight as possible. Per our standard scientific installation protocol of never being sure of what we are doing, we cup one ear and listen to you guys. So far no noise from the foam tape crowd. On 1/10/19 11:41 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: What is being referred to here "We use a foam as a gasket"? I am interested. The silicone I used for my windows was Dow Corning 791. Graham Stewart Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 Kingston Ontario From hnw555 at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 09:33:51 2019 From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 09:33:51 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Silicone sealant used on cabin windows In-Reply-To: <002101d4a93b$bc348470$349d8d50$@ebsmed.com> References: <2088650048.16575082.1547156511092.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2088650048.16575082.1547156511092@mail.yahoo.com> <002101d4a93b$bc348470$349d8d50$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: You may want to look at this website for an explanation of the differences between polyurethane (MasterSeal NP-1) and silicone sealants. https://www.directsealants.com/difference-between-silicone-sealant-polyurethane-sealant/ Key difference is breaking down under UV exposure. Rummy used it for the deck joint which should not have much (or any) exposure to UV. The ports, however, would have a lot of UV exposure. Hank On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 6:25 PM wrote: > The problem with the silicone sealant is that it is meant to used as a > compression gasket material. The port light plastic tends to pull away > from > the complex curves of the fiberglass surface since the materials expand and > contract at different rates. The plastic fails to compress the silicone > over time and the seal fails. The silicone material may last 50 years but, > in my experience, the seal fails in 3 to 4 years. > > > > An alternative sealant suggested by Rummy for the hull joint but may work > fine here is as follows (thank you Graham): > > > > For those who want more information on the sealant Rummy used for his deck > > hull join now called Master Seal NP-1 (formerly Sonolastic NP 1) the spec > > sheet is available here: > > > http://assets.master-builders-solutions.basf.com/Shared%20Documents/EB%20Con > > > struction%20Chemcials%20-%20US/Construction%20Systems/Data%20Guides/MasterSe > > al/basf-masterseal-np-1-tds.pdf . (Note: The link is still valid on > 1-10-19, copy attached) > > > > The sealant seems to have all of the properties that would be advisable for > > such an application such as high flexibility, can be immersed in water, > > tenacious, sticks to anything and is available in a range of colours such > as > > off white. It appears to be available at Home Depot and is much cheaper > than > > the traditional marine sealants. > > > > It is not clear that Beckson Marine would recommend it but it probably > wouldn't hurt the plastic. > > > > Mike > > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > > Nissequogue River, NY > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Cary > Tolbert > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:41 PM > To: Art Czerwonky ; The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Silicone sealant used on cabin windows > > > > Art, Beckson Marine who makes port lights says to use ONLY 100% silicone > sealant. On my '86, Beckson is the name on the frames. Their think (as > posted) says most sealants will only last 10 years and that silicone should > last over 50 years. This is their business, so my guess would be to follow > their advice. > > Cary > > S/V Whisper '86 > > > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 4:41 PM Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > > > Guys,One of our veteran skippers may know the special sealant which is > > > used on the windows on our boat. It is unique because of the material > > > used to make the window frame. Anyone recall?Art > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > __________________________________________________ > > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > > > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: basf-masterseal-np-1-tds.pdf > Type: application/pdf > Size: 162222 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190110/d1250317/attachment.pdf > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Fri Jan 11 14:15:51 2019 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 14:15:51 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Silicone sealant used on cabin windows In-Reply-To: References: <2088650048.16575082.1547156511092.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2088650048.16575082.1547156511092@mail.yahoo.com> <002101d4a93b$bc348470$349d8d50$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: <00b001d4a9e2$115e1af0$341a50d0$@ca> Practical Sailor has also published a guide to sealants that is available without a subscription here: https://www.practical-sailor.com/news/sealants_stop_the_leak-10721-1.html It confirms what others have sail but includes a greater variety of sealant types. Graham Stewart Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Hank Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 9:34 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Silicone sealant used on cabin windows You may want to look at this website for an explanation of the differences between polyurethane (MasterSeal NP-1) and silicone sealants. https://www.directsealants.com/difference-between-silicone-sealant-polyureth ane-sealant/ Key difference is breaking down under UV exposure. Rummy used it for the deck joint which should not have much (or any) exposure to UV. The ports, however, would have a lot of UV exposure. Hank On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 6:25 PM wrote: > The problem with the silicone sealant is that it is meant to used as a > compression gasket material. The port light plastic tends to pull away > from > the complex curves of the fiberglass surface since the materials expand and > contract at different rates. The plastic fails to compress the silicone > over time and the seal fails. The silicone material may last 50 years but, > in my experience, the seal fails in 3 to 4 years. > > > > An alternative sealant suggested by Rummy for the hull joint but may work > fine here is as follows (thank you Graham): > > > > For those who want more information on the sealant Rummy used for his deck > > hull join now called Master Seal NP-1 (formerly Sonolastic NP 1) the spec > > sheet is available here: > > > http://assets.master-builders-solutions.basf.com/Shared%20Documents/EB%20Con > > > struction%20Chemcials%20-%20US/Construction%20Systems/Data%20Guides/MasterSe > > al/basf-masterseal-np-1-tds.pdf . (Note: The link is still valid on > 1-10-19, copy attached) > > > > The sealant seems to have all of the properties that would be advisable for > > such an application such as high flexibility, can be immersed in water, > > tenacious, sticks to anything and is available in a range of colours such > as > > off white. It appears to be available at Home Depot and is much cheaper > than > > the traditional marine sealants. > > > > It is not clear that Beckson Marine would recommend it but it probably > wouldn't hurt the plastic. > > > > Mike > > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > > Nissequogue River, NY > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Cary > Tolbert > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:41 PM > To: Art Czerwonky ; The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Silicone sealant used on cabin windows > > > > Art, Beckson Marine who makes port lights says to use ONLY 100% silicone > sealant. On my '86, Beckson is the name on the frames. Their think (as > posted) says most sealants will only last 10 years and that silicone should > last over 50 years. This is their business, so my guess would be to follow > their advice. > > Cary > > S/V Whisper '86 > > > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 4:41 PM Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > > > Guys,One of our veteran skippers may know the special sealant which is > > > used on the windows on our boat. It is unique because of the material > > > used to make the window frame. Anyone recall?Art > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > __________________________________________________ > > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > > > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: basf-masterseal-np-1-tds.pdf > Type: application/pdf > Size: 162222 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190110/d1250317/at tachment.pdf > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From mweisner at ebsmed.com Fri Jan 11 14:31:25 2019 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (mweisner at ebsmed.com) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 14:31:25 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Silicone sealant used on cabin windows In-Reply-To: <00b001d4a9e2$115e1af0$341a50d0$@ca> References: <2088650048.16575082.1547156511092.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2088650048.16575082.1547156511092@mail.yahoo.com> <002101d4a93b$bc348470$349d8d50$@ebsmed.com> <00b001d4a9e2$115e1af0$341a50d0$@ca> Message-ID: <002201d4a9e4$3e977d20$bbc67760$@ebsmed.com> Very nice summary of sealants, Graham. I have attached it to make it a permanent part of the archives just in case Practical Sailor changes their web page. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Graham Stewart Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 2:16 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Silicone sealant used on cabin windows Practical Sailor has also published a guide to sealants that is available without a subscription here: https://www.practical-sailor.com/news/sealants_stop_the_leak-10721-1.html It confirms what others have sail but includes a greater variety of sealant types. Graham Stewart Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 Kingston Ontario --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Sealants 2019.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 318494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 17:38:09 2019 From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 17:38:09 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Towing with a small SUV In-Reply-To: <5FC84428-5ECA-4771-B8CC-0C5FC10EB053@me.com> References: <7B86C013-A7B5-47B3-B472-3FBE5501FFDE@me.com> <5FC84428-5ECA-4771-B8CC-0C5FC10EB053@me.com> Message-ID: <60D7DE97-0AFD-4799-BE49-F74B4C1D9935@gmail.com> Recently there was a thread about towing a Rhodes with various vehicles. Has anyone tried towing one with a Honda CR-V or Toyota RAV-4? Thanks, Frank Goldsmith s/v Mary Bess Lake Keowee, SC From hnw555 at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 17:46:32 2019 From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 17:46:32 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Towing with a small SUV In-Reply-To: <60D7DE97-0AFD-4799-BE49-F74B4C1D9935@gmail.com> References: <7B86C013-A7B5-47B3-B472-3FBE5501FFDE@me.com> <5FC84428-5ECA-4771-B8CC-0C5FC10EB053@me.com> <60D7DE97-0AFD-4799-BE49-F74B4C1D9935@gmail.com> Message-ID: Frank, I have a 2018 Rav-4 and it only has a 1500lb towing capacity. Not near enough to pull a Rhodes. Hank On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 5:38 PM Frank Goldsmith wrote: > Recently there was a thread about towing a Rhodes with various vehicles. > Has anyone tried towing one with a Honda CR-V or Toyota RAV-4? > > Thanks, > > Frank Goldsmith > s/v Mary Bess > Lake Keowee, SC > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 18:05:32 2019 From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 18:05:32 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Towing with a small SUV In-Reply-To: References: <7B86C013-A7B5-47B3-B472-3FBE5501FFDE@me.com> <5FC84428-5ECA-4771-B8CC-0C5FC10EB053@me.com> <60D7DE97-0AFD-4799-BE49-F74B4C1D9935@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Hank. So I feared. I actually have never towed my Rhodes, but I was thinking of downsizing from a Highlander to something smaller, and wondered about the ability to tow the boat if needed. Frank > On Jan 16, 2019, at 5:46 PM, Hank wrote: > > Frank, > > I have a 2018 Rav-4 and it only has a 1500lb towing capacity. Not near > enough to pull a Rhodes. > > Hank > > On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 5:38 PM Frank Goldsmith > wrote: > >> Recently there was a thread about towing a Rhodes with various vehicles. >> Has anyone tried towing one with a Honda CR-V or Toyota RAV-4? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Frank Goldsmith >> s/v Mary Bess >> Lake Keowee, SC >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 09:58:32 2019 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 09:58:32 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Towing with a small SUV In-Reply-To: References: <7B86C013-A7B5-47B3-B472-3FBE5501FFDE@me.com> <5FC84428-5ECA-4771-B8CC-0C5FC10EB053@me.com> <60D7DE97-0AFD-4799-BE49-F74B4C1D9935@gmail.com> Message-ID: Frank, You need a vehicle that tows at least 5000 lbs. Regards, Rick Lange On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 6:05 PM Frank Goldsmith wrote: > Thanks, Hank. So I feared. I actually have never towed my Rhodes, but I > was thinking of downsizing from a Highlander to something smaller, and > wondered about the ability to tow the boat if needed. > > Frank > > > On Jan 16, 2019, at 5:46 PM, Hank wrote: > > > > Frank, > > > > I have a 2018 Rav-4 and it only has a 1500lb towing capacity. Not near > > enough to pull a Rhodes. > > > > Hank > > > > On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 5:38 PM Frank Goldsmith > > wrote: > > > >> Recently there was a thread about towing a Rhodes with various vehicles. > >> Has anyone tried towing one with a Honda CR-V or Toyota RAV-4? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Frank Goldsmith > >> s/v Mary Bess > >> Lake Keowee, SC > >> > >> > >> __________________________________________________ > >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > >> > >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go > >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > >> __________________________________________________ > >> > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From a_czerwonky at yahoo.com Thu Jan 17 11:03:19 2019 From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 16:03:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Towing with a small SUV In-Reply-To: <60D7DE97-0AFD-4799-BE49-F74B4C1D9935@gmail.com> References: <7B86C013-A7B5-47B3-B472-3FBE5501FFDE@me.com> <5FC84428-5ECA-4771-B8CC-0C5FC10EB053@me.com> <60D7DE97-0AFD-4799-BE49-F74B4C1D9935@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2079338759.1218724.1547740999214@mail.yahoo.com> Frank,I am sure too light. You might bluff thru on the flat, but the hills would be a real problem. I suspect that Honda might nix warranty claims to boot.? Short haul, launching anyone's guess.Arts/v MaryJaneLake Hartwell Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 5:38 PM, Frank Goldsmith wrote: Recently there was a thread about towing a Rhodes with various vehicles.? Has anyone tried towing one with a Honda CR-V or Toyota RAV-4? Thanks, Frank Goldsmith s/v Mary Bess Lake Keowee, SC __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 12:51:38 2019 From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 12:51:38 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Towing with a small SUV In-Reply-To: <2079338759.1218724.1547740999214@mail.yahoo.com> References: <7B86C013-A7B5-47B3-B472-3FBE5501FFDE@me.com> <5FC84428-5ECA-4771-B8CC-0C5FC10EB053@me.com> <60D7DE97-0AFD-4799-BE49-F74B4C1D9935@gmail.com> <2079338759.1218724.1547740999214@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <04B7C04A-1D61-466A-A713-79F79B2C9BBD@gmail.com> Thanks, folks. I think my solution will be to beg my son to lend me his big pick-up truck with a towing package on the very rare occasions when I might need to tow my boat. I appreciate the advice. Frank Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 17, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > Frank,I am sure too light. You might bluff thru on the flat, but the hills would be a real problem. I suspect that Honda might nix warranty claims to boot. Short haul, launching anyone's guess.Arts/v MaryJaneLake Hartwell > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 5:38 PM, Frank Goldsmith wrote: Recently there was a thread about towing a Rhodes with various vehicles. Has anyone tried towing one with a Honda CR-V or Toyota RAV-4? > > Thanks, > > Frank Goldsmith > s/v Mary Bess > Lake Keowee, SC > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From peter at sunnybeeches.com Thu Jan 17 14:11:28 2019 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 14:11:28 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Towing with a small SUV In-Reply-To: <04B7C04A-1D61-466A-A713-79F79B2C9BBD@gmail.com> References: <7B86C013-A7B5-47B3-B472-3FBE5501FFDE@me.com> <5FC84428-5ECA-4771-B8CC-0C5FC10EB053@me.com> <60D7DE97-0AFD-4799-BE49-F74B4C1D9935@gmail.com> <2079338759.1218724.1547740999214@mail.yahoo.com> <04B7C04A-1D61-466A-A713-79F79B2C9BBD@gmail.com> Message-ID: For those without a son with a pick-up, U-Haul rents pick-up trucks with towing packages. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On Jan 17, 2019, at 12:51 PM, Frank Goldsmith wrote: > > Thanks, folks. I think my solution will be to beg my son to lend me his big pick-up truck with a towing package on the very rare occasions when I might need to tow my boat. > > I appreciate the advice. > > Frank > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 17, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list wrote: >> >> Frank,I am sure too light. You might bluff thru on the flat, but the hills would be a real problem. I suspect that Honda might nix warranty claims to boot. Short haul, launching anyone's guess.Arts/v MaryJaneLake Hartwell >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >> >> On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 5:38 PM, Frank Goldsmith wrote: Recently there was a thread about towing a Rhodes with various vehicles. Has anyone tried towing one with a Honda CR-V or Toyota RAV-4? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Frank Goldsmith >> s/v Mary Bess >> Lake Keowee, SC >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 14:14:05 2019 From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 14:14:05 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Towing with a small SUV In-Reply-To: <2079338759.1218724.1547740999214@mail.yahoo.com> References: <7B86C013-A7B5-47B3-B472-3FBE5501FFDE@me.com> <5FC84428-5ECA-4771-B8CC-0C5FC10EB053@me.com> <60D7DE97-0AFD-4799-BE49-F74B4C1D9935@gmail.com> <2079338759.1218724.1547740999214@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Very helpful to know; the son may balk at subjecting his truck to this burden, after all. Frank Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 17, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > Frank,I am sure too light. You might bluff thru on the flat, but the hills would be a real problem. I suspect that Honda might nix warranty claims to boot. Short haul, launching anyone's guess.Arts/v MaryJaneLake Hartwell > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 5:38 PM, Frank Goldsmith wrote: Recently there was a thread about towing a Rhodes with various vehicles. Has anyone tried towing one with a Honda CR-V or Toyota RAV-4? > > Thanks, > > Frank Goldsmith > s/v Mary Bess > Lake Keowee, SC > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From jayf401 at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 14:42:12 2019 From: jayf401 at gmail.com (Jay Friedland) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 14:42:12 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Towing with a small SUV In-Reply-To: References: <7B86C013-A7B5-47B3-B472-3FBE5501FFDE@me.com> <5FC84428-5ECA-4771-B8CC-0C5FC10EB053@me.com> <60D7DE97-0AFD-4799-BE49-F74B4C1D9935@gmail.com> <2079338759.1218724.1547740999214@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <03B5CEAA-8DF7-4539-8F87-5C66E2BD93FD@gmail.com> Fwiw, at a 2016 auto show, I did shopping based on 5,000 lb. towing capacity. The mid-size Kia Sorento V-6 was the only ?smaller? SUV w/ that capacity. My son was selling them at the time, and I had the opportunity to tow my R22 from coastal NJ to Edenton & back with no issues at all. That included 30 to 35-mph cross winds on the Chesapeake Bay Bridge going down, just after their 40-mph restrictions for trailers, RVs were lifted and other bridges (Del. Memorial and local). It was steady, stable and very responsive. With 26 avg. MPG, it replaced a RAV-4 that was able to tow locally (after warranty expired). Jay Friedland S/V Wanderlust ?97 > On Jan 17, 2019, at 2:14 PM, Frank Goldsmith wrote: > > Very helpful to know; the son may balk at subjecting his truck to this burden, after all. > > Frank > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 17, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list wrote: >> >> Frank,I am sure too light. You might bluff thru on the flat, but the hills would be a real problem. I suspect that Honda might nix warranty claims to boot. Short haul, launching anyone's guess.Arts/v MaryJaneLake Hartwell >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >> >> On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 5:38 PM, Frank Goldsmith wrote: Recently there was a thread about towing a Rhodes with various vehicles. Has anyone tried towing one with a Honda CR-V or Toyota RAV-4? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Frank Goldsmith >> s/v Mary Bess >> Lake Keowee, SC >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From michael.4591 at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 14:51:41 2019 From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 14:51:41 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Towing with a Toyota Tacoma? In-Reply-To: <2079338759.1218724.1547740999214@mail.yahoo.com> References: <7B86C013-A7B5-47B3-B472-3FBE5501FFDE@me.com> <5FC84428-5ECA-4771-B8CC-0C5FC10EB053@me.com> <60D7DE97-0AFD-4799-BE49-F74B4C1D9935@gmail.com> <2079338759.1218724.1547740999214@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well we are on the subject has anyone ever towed with a 6 cylinder Toyota Tacoma pick-up? It is rated at 6400 lbs towing, but the 3.5L V6 concerns me as a little weak. I think a V8 for longer distances. . . Mike Corley S/V Ranger Hampton Roads, VA On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 11:03 AM Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Frank,I am sure too light. You might bluff thru on the flat, but the hills > would be a real problem. I suspect that Honda might nix warranty claims to > boot. Short haul, launching anyone's guess.Arts/v MaryJaneLake Hartwell > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 5:38 PM, Frank Goldsmith > wrote: Recently there was a thread about towing a Rhodes with various > vehicles. Has anyone tried towing one with a Honda CR-V or Toyota RAV-4? > > Thanks, > > Frank Goldsmith > s/v Mary Bess > Lake Keowee, SC > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Thu Jan 17 15:51:55 2019 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 15:51:55 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Towing with a Toyota Tacoma? In-Reply-To: References: <7B86C013-A7B5-47B3-B472-3FBE5501FFDE@me.com> <5FC84428-5ECA-4771-B8CC-0C5FC10EB053@me.com> <60D7DE97-0AFD-4799-BE49-F74B4C1D9935@gmail.com> <2079338759.1218724.1547740999214@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <727D9438-F66E-45C0-A19F-F1BC7A084E94@sunnybeeches.com> That?s my truck, and I do use it to tow Silverheels. Before I had the boat, I ran a portable sawmill business for about 5 years, and towed a 4000 lb Wood-Mizer sawmill for many hundreds of miles with no issues. I only have a few hundred miles of experience towing the Rhodes, but I estimate the total weight is about the same, and the towing experience feels similar from in the cab. The automatic transmission does drop down into lower gear to keep up speed going up hills. I wish it didn?t have to, but while it sounds like it?s screaming sometimes, it never gets anywhere near red-line RPM?s. I don?t think I?d enjoy the experience of towing the full 6400 lbs the truck is rated for. When not towing, the Tacoma gets about 20 MPG. When towing sawmill or sailboat, about half that. If I were in the market for a truck to tow the Rhodes, I?d look for something bigger. But the Tacoma does the job well enough that I?m not considering going through the cost and aggravation of replacing it. BTW, my Tacoma has the factory towing package, which includes some extra things that I can?t recall the details of. I?d be less comfortable if the hitch was an after-market add-on. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On Jan 17, 2019, at 2:51 PM, Michael Corley wrote: > > Well we are on the subject has anyone ever towed with a 6 cylinder Toyota > Tacoma pick-up? > It is rated at 6400 lbs towing, but the 3.5L V6 concerns me as a little > weak. I think a V8 for longer distances. . . > > Mike Corley > S/V Ranger > Hampton Roads, VA > > On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 11:03 AM Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > >> Frank,I am sure too light. You might bluff thru on the flat, but the hills >> would be a real problem. I suspect that Honda might nix warranty claims to >> boot. Short haul, launching anyone's guess.Arts/v MaryJaneLake Hartwell >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >> >> On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 5:38 PM, Frank Goldsmith >> wrote: Recently there was a thread about towing a Rhodes with various >> vehicles. Has anyone tried towing one with a Honda CR-V or Toyota RAV-4? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Frank Goldsmith >> s/v Mary Bess >> Lake Keowee, SC >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From mweisner at ebsmed.com Thu Jan 17 17:03:57 2019 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (mweisner at ebsmed.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 17:03:57 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Towing with a Toyota Tacoma? In-Reply-To: <727D9438-F66E-45C0-A19F-F1BC7A084E94@sunnybeeches.com> References: <7B86C013-A7B5-47B3-B472-3FBE5501FFDE@me.com> <5FC84428-5ECA-4771-B8CC-0C5FC10EB053@me.com> <60D7DE97-0AFD-4799-BE49-F74B4C1D9935@gmail.com> <2079338759.1218724.1547740999214@mail.yahoo.com> <727D9438-F66E-45C0-A19F-F1BC7A084E94@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <005601d4aeb0$8c6e4120$a54ac360$@ebsmed.com> Factory towing packages usually include coolers for both the transmission and the engine oil as well as signal light repeaters/connectors. Sometimes the package provides a beefed up suspension and/or anti-sway bars. There's a lot more needed than just a hitch. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 3:52 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Towing with a Toyota Tacoma? That?s my truck, and I do use it to tow Silverheels. Before I had the boat, I ran a portable sawmill business for about 5 years, and towed a 4000 lb Wood-Mizer sawmill for many hundreds of miles with no issues. I only have a few hundred miles of experience towing the Rhodes, but I estimate the total weight is about the same, and the towing experience feels similar from in the cab. The automatic transmission does drop down into lower gear to keep up speed going up hills. I wish it didn?t have to, but while it sounds like it?s screaming sometimes, it never gets anywhere near red-line RPM?s. I don?t think I?d enjoy the experience of towing the full 6400 lbs the truck is rated for. When not towing, the Tacoma gets about 20 MPG. When towing sawmill or sailboat, about half that. If I were in the market for a truck to tow the Rhodes, I?d look for something bigger. But the Tacoma does the job well enough that I?m not considering going through the cost and aggravation of replacing it. BTW, my Tacoma has the factory towing package, which includes some extra things that I can?t recall the details of. I?d be less comfortable if the hitch was an after-market add-on. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On Jan 17, 2019, at 2:51 PM, Michael Corley wrote: > > Well we are on the subject has anyone ever towed with a 6 cylinder > Toyota Tacoma pick-up? > It is rated at 6400 lbs towing, but the 3.5L V6 concerns me as a > little weak. I think a V8 for longer distances. . . > > Mike Corley > S/V Ranger > Hampton Roads, VA > > On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 11:03 AM Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > >> Frank,I am sure too light. You might bluff thru on the flat, but the >> hills would be a real problem. I suspect that Honda might nix >> warranty claims to boot. Short haul, launching anyone's guess.Arts/v >> MaryJaneLake Hartwell >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >> >> On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 5:38 PM, Frank Goldsmith >> wrote: Recently there was a thread about towing a Rhodes with various >> vehicles. Has anyone tried towing one with a Honda CR-V or Toyota RAV-4? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Frank Goldsmith >> s/v Mary Bess >> Lake Keowee, SC >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and >> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and >> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Thu Jan 17 17:04:02 2019 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 17:04:02 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Towing with a Toyota Tacoma? In-Reply-To: References: <7B86C013-A7B5-47B3-B472-3FBE5501FFDE@me.com> <5FC84428-5ECA-4771-B8CC-0C5FC10EB053@me.com> <60D7DE97-0AFD-4799-BE49-F74B4C1D9935@gmail.com> <2079338759.1218724.1547740999214@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <013001d4aeb0$8e7a16b0$ab6e4410$@ca> I am once again venturing into an discussion for which I am entirely unqualified. But my understanding about towing capacity is that it depends on much more than engine power. I can tow my boat with my lawn tractor so power should probably the least of your concerns. Of greater importance is whether the frame, if there is one, can handle the stress, the transmission, so that it doesn't get destroyed, and braking. Smaller wheels have smaller breaks and with 5000 lbs behind you, you definitely want some stopping power. Also the weight of the vehicle is important to avoid being dragged of the road because you are outweighed by the trailer. Graham Stewart Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 Kingston Ontario Graham -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael Corley Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 2:52 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Towing with a Toyota Tacoma? Well we are on the subject has anyone ever towed with a 6 cylinder Toyota Tacoma pick-up? It is rated at 6400 lbs towing, but the 3.5L V6 concerns me as a little weak. I think a V8 for longer distances. . . Mike Corley S/V Ranger Hampton Roads, VA On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 11:03 AM Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Frank,I am sure too light. You might bluff thru on the flat, but the hills > would be a real problem. I suspect that Honda might nix warranty claims to > boot. Short haul, launching anyone's guess.Arts/v MaryJaneLake Hartwell > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 5:38 PM, Frank Goldsmith > wrote: Recently there was a thread about towing a Rhodes with various > vehicles. Has anyone tried towing one with a Honda CR-V or Toyota RAV-4? > > Thanks, > > Frank Goldsmith > s/v Mary Bess > Lake Keowee, SC > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From borderfolle at yahoo.com Thu Jan 17 17:55:20 2019 From: borderfolle at yahoo.com (Donald Simons) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:55:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Towing with a Toyota Tacoma? In-Reply-To: <013001d4aeb0$8e7a16b0$ab6e4410$@ca> References: <7B86C013-A7B5-47B3-B472-3FBE5501FFDE@me.com> <5FC84428-5ECA-4771-B8CC-0C5FC10EB053@me.com> <60D7DE97-0AFD-4799-BE49-F74B4C1D9935@gmail.com> <2079338759.1218724.1547740999214@mail.yahoo.com> <013001d4aeb0$8e7a16b0$ab6e4410$@ca> Message-ID: <1381411797.1421358.1547765720683@mail.yahoo.com> Timely discussion.? After spending weeks shopping, I just purchased a Tacoma.? It replaces my 15-year old 4-Runner.? Of the vehicles I test drove, I feel the Tacoma is a good combination of reasonable tow capacity (6400 lbs.), manageable size, comfort for every-day driving, and an excellent resale history.? It isn't a full-size truck with a V-8, so I won't break any speed records; but I expect that it will tow the Rhodes nicely. Don SimonsIthaca, NY On Thursday, January 17, 2019, 5:04:15 PM EST, Graham Stewart wrote: I am once again venturing into an discussion for which I am entirely unqualified. But my understanding about towing capacity is that it depends on much more than engine power. I can tow my boat with my lawn tractor so power should probably the least of your concerns.? Of greater importance is whether the frame, if there is one, can handle the stress, the transmission, so that it doesn't get destroyed, and braking. Smaller wheels have smaller breaks and with 5000 lbs behind you, you definitely want some stopping power. Also the weight of the vehicle is important to avoid being dragged of the road because you are outweighed by the trailer. Graham Stewart Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 Kingston Ontario Graham -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael Corley Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 2:52 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Towing with a Toyota Tacoma? Well we are on the subject has anyone ever towed with a 6 cylinder Toyota Tacoma pick-up? It is rated at 6400 lbs towing, but the 3.5L V6 concerns me as a little weak.? I think a V8 for longer distances. . . Mike Corley S/V Ranger Hampton Roads, VA On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 11:03 AM Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Frank,I am sure too light. You might bluff thru on the flat, but the hills > would be a real problem. I suspect that Honda might nix warranty claims to > boot.? Short haul, launching anyone's guess.Arts/v MaryJaneLake Hartwell > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > >? On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 5:38 PM, Frank Goldsmith > wrote:? Recently there was a thread about towing a Rhodes with various > vehicles.? Has anyone tried towing one with a Honda CR-V or Toyota RAV-4? > > Thanks, > > Frank Goldsmith > s/v Mary Bess > Lake Keowee, SC > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From retiredtoby at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 18:38:24 2019 From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 18:38:24 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Towing with a Toyota Tacoma? In-Reply-To: <1381411797.1421358.1547765720683@mail.yahoo.com> References: <7B86C013-A7B5-47B3-B472-3FBE5501FFDE@me.com> <5FC84428-5ECA-4771-B8CC-0C5FC10EB053@me.com> <60D7DE97-0AFD-4799-BE49-F74B4C1D9935@gmail.com> <2079338759.1218724.1547740999214@mail.yahoo.com> <013001d4aeb0$8e7a16b0$ab6e4410$@ca> <1381411797.1421358.1547765720683@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Graham, you are exactly correct. However the people who ignore your wisdom will also have "Light Truck" tires on their trailer. But then this is another argument for another day. Cary Tolbert Radford,VA On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 5:55 PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Timely discussion. After spending weeks shopping, I just purchased a > Tacoma. It replaces my 15-year old 4-Runner. Of the vehicles I test > drove, I feel the Tacoma is a good combination of reasonable tow capacity > (6400 lbs.), manageable size, comfort for every-day driving, and an > excellent resale history. It isn't a full-size truck with a V-8, so I > won't break any speed records; but I expect that it will tow the Rhodes > nicely. > Don SimonsIthaca, NY > On Thursday, January 17, 2019, 5:04:15 PM EST, Graham Stewart < > gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote: > > I am once again venturing into an discussion for which I am entirely > unqualified. But my understanding about towing capacity is that it depends > on much more than engine power. I can tow my boat with my lawn tractor so > power should probably the least of your concerns. > > Of greater importance is whether the frame, if there is one, can handle the > stress, the transmission, so that it doesn't get destroyed, and braking. > Smaller wheels have smaller breaks and with 5000 lbs behind you, you > definitely want some stopping power. Also the weight of the vehicle is > important to avoid being dragged of the road because you are outweighed by > the trailer. > > > Graham Stewart > Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 > Kingston Ontario > > > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of > Michael Corley > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 2:52 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Towing with a Toyota Tacoma? > > Well we are on the subject has anyone ever towed with a 6 cylinder Toyota > Tacoma pick-up? > It is rated at 6400 lbs towing, but the 3.5L V6 concerns me as a little > weak. I think a V8 for longer distances. . . > > Mike Corley > S/V Ranger > Hampton Roads, VA > > On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 11:03 AM Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > Frank,I am sure too light. You might bluff thru on the flat, but the > hills > > would be a real problem. I suspect that Honda might nix warranty claims > to > > boot. Short haul, launching anyone's guess.Arts/v MaryJaneLake Hartwell > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > > On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 5:38 PM, Frank Goldsmith > > > wrote: Recently there was a thread about towing a Rhodes with various > > vehicles. Has anyone tried towing one with a Honda CR-V or Toyota RAV-4? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Frank Goldsmith > > s/v Mary Bess > > Lake Keowee, SC > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Thu Jan 17 21:48:38 2019 From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 21:48:38 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Towing with a Toyota Tacoma? In-Reply-To: References: <7B86C013-A7B5-47B3-B472-3FBE5501FFDE@me.com> <5FC84428-5ECA-4771-B8CC-0C5FC10EB053@me.com> <60D7DE97-0AFD-4799-BE49-F74B4C1D9935@gmail.com> <2079338759.1218724.1547740999214@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0d2837f4-16ae-23c3-45f8-86a4addd511c@atlanticbb.net> We towed our R22 with a Nissan Frontier. Similar specs to the Tacoma (at least back in 2008 when we bought it.) It towed the R22 easily (much better than the Chev Blazer it replaced though that was adequate.) We are still using the same truck to pull a somewhat heavier travel trailer. It's got close to 120,000 miles on it - many of those miles towing. Hope to get a few more. The R22 was quite aerodynamic compared to the travel trailer which is more like towing a wall. That said we've towed somewhat slowly in the eastern mountains and have always been glad for truck lanes on the long uphill grades. Mary Lou ex R22 now Rosborough RF-246? Tara (which is towable but we don't) On 1/17/2019 2:51 PM, Michael Corley wrote: > Well we are on the subject has anyone ever towed with a 6 cylinder Toyota > Tacoma pick-up? > It is rated at 6400 lbs towing, but the 3.5L V6 concerns me as a little > weak. I think a V8 for longer distances. . . > > Mike Corley > S/V Ranger > Hampton Roads, VA > > On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 11:03 AM Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > >> Frank,I am sure too light. You might bluff thru on the flat, but the hills >> would be a real problem. I suspect that Honda might nix warranty claims to >> boot. Short haul, launching anyone's guess.Arts/v MaryJaneLake Hartwell >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >> >> On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 5:38 PM, Frank Goldsmith >> wrote: Recently there was a thread about towing a Rhodes with various >> vehicles. Has anyone tried towing one with a Honda CR-V or Toyota RAV-4? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Frank Goldsmith >> s/v Mary Bess >> Lake Keowee, SC >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From snstaum at gmail.com Fri Jan 18 06:30:01 2019 From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 06:30:01 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Towing with a small SUV In-Reply-To: <03B5CEAA-8DF7-4539-8F87-5C66E2BD93FD@gmail.com> References: <7B86C013-A7B5-47B3-B472-3FBE5501FFDE@me.com> <5FC84428-5ECA-4771-B8CC-0C5FC10EB053@me.com> <60D7DE97-0AFD-4799-BE49-F74B4C1D9935@gmail.com> <2079338759.1218724.1547740999214@mail.yahoo.com> <03B5CEAA-8DF7-4539-8F87-5C66E2BD93FD@gmail.com> Message-ID: I rent a 1/2 ton pickup from Uhaul to launch and retrieve my boat each year. They charge $20 per day plus mileage and I don't need to drive a gas guzzling SUV all year round. I owned a Chevy Blazer for a number of years and towed the Rhodes with that. It was rated for 5,000# and is the absolute minimum towing capacity for our boats. *Stephen Staum* *s/v Carol Lee 2* *Needham, MA* On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 2:42 PM Jay Friedland wrote: > Fwiw, at a 2016 auto show, I did shopping based on 5,000 lb. towing > capacity. The mid-size Kia Sorento V-6 was the only ?smaller? SUV w/ that > capacity. My son was selling them at the time, and I had the opportunity to > tow my R22 from coastal NJ to Edenton & back with no issues at all. That > included 30 to 35-mph cross winds on the Chesapeake Bay Bridge going down, > just after their 40-mph restrictions for trailers, RVs were lifted and > other bridges (Del. Memorial and local). It was steady, stable and very > responsive. With 26 avg. MPG, it replaced a RAV-4 that was able to tow > locally (after warranty expired). > > Jay Friedland > S/V Wanderlust ?97 > > > > > On Jan 17, 2019, at 2:14 PM, Frank Goldsmith > wrote: > > > > Very helpful to know; the son may balk at subjecting his truck to this > burden, after all. > > > > Frank > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Jan 17, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > >> > >> Frank,I am sure too light. You might bluff thru on the flat, but the > hills would be a real problem. I suspect that Honda might nix warranty > claims to boot. Short haul, launching anyone's guess.Arts/v MaryJaneLake > Hartwell > >> > >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > >> > >> On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 5:38 PM, Frank Goldsmith > wrote: Recently there was a thread about towing a Rhodes with various > vehicles. Has anyone tried towing one with a Honda CR-V or Toyota RAV-4? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Frank Goldsmith > >> s/v Mary Bess > >> Lake Keowee, SC > >> > >> > >> __________________________________________________ > >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > >> > >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > >> __________________________________________________ > >> > >> __________________________________________________ > >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > >> > >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > >> __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com Fri Jan 18 07:47:54 2019 From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 07:47:54 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Towing with a small SUV In-Reply-To: References: <7B86C013-A7B5-47B3-B472-3FBE5501FFDE@me.com> <5FC84428-5ECA-4771-B8CC-0C5FC10EB053@me.com> <60D7DE97-0AFD-4799-BE49-F74B4C1D9935@gmail.com> <2079338759.1218724.1547740999214@mail.yahoo.com> <03B5CEAA-8DF7-4539-8F87-5C66E2BD93FD@gmail.com> Message-ID: Great information, thanks. I think that makes more sense for me, personally, since I rarely tow and don?t really need a large vehicle otherwise. Frank > On Jan 18, 2019, at 6:30 AM, Stephen Staum wrote: > > I rent a 1/2 ton pickup from Uhaul to launch and retrieve my boat each > year. They charge $20 per day plus mileage and I don't need to drive a gas > guzzling SUV all year round. I owned a Chevy Blazer for a number of years > and towed the Rhodes with that. It was rated for 5,000# and is the > absolute minimum towing capacity for our boats. > > > > *Stephen Staum* > *s/v Carol Lee 2* > > *Needham, MA* > > > On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 2:42 PM Jay Friedland wrote: > >> Fwiw, at a 2016 auto show, I did shopping based on 5,000 lb. towing >> capacity. The mid-size Kia Sorento V-6 was the only ?smaller? SUV w/ that >> capacity. My son was selling them at the time, and I had the opportunity to >> tow my R22 from coastal NJ to Edenton & back with no issues at all. That >> included 30 to 35-mph cross winds on the Chesapeake Bay Bridge going down, >> just after their 40-mph restrictions for trailers, RVs were lifted and >> other bridges (Del. Memorial and local). It was steady, stable and very >> responsive. With 26 avg. MPG, it replaced a RAV-4 that was able to tow >> locally (after warranty expired). >> >> Jay Friedland >> S/V Wanderlust ?97 >> >> >> >>> On Jan 17, 2019, at 2:14 PM, Frank Goldsmith >> wrote: >>> >>> Very helpful to know; the son may balk at subjecting his truck to this >> burden, after all. >>> >>> Frank >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jan 17, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list < >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> Frank,I am sure too light. You might bluff thru on the flat, but the >> hills would be a real problem. I suspect that Honda might nix warranty >> claims to boot. Short haul, launching anyone's guess.Arts/v MaryJaneLake >> Hartwell >>>> >>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 5:38 PM, Frank Goldsmith >> wrote: Recently there was a thread about towing a Rhodes with various >> vehicles. Has anyone tried towing one with a Honda CR-V or Toyota RAV-4? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Frank Goldsmith >>>> s/v Mary Bess >>>> Lake Keowee, SC >>>> >>>> >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>>> >>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives >> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>>> >>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives >> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>>> __________________________________________________ >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives >> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From talmorin at hotmail.com Fri Jan 18 14:11:49 2019 From: talmorin at hotmail.com (Thomas s) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 19:11:49 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Towing with a small SUV In-Reply-To: References: <7B86C013-A7B5-47B3-B472-3FBE5501FFDE@me.com> <5FC84428-5ECA-4771-B8CC-0C5FC10EB053@me.com> <60D7DE97-0AFD-4799-BE49-F74B4C1D9935@gmail.com> <2079338759.1218724.1547740999214@mail.yahoo.com> <03B5CEAA-8DF7-4539-8F87-5C66E2BD93FD@gmail.com> , Message-ID: One caveat to this. Check your local Uhaul(s). Not all typically have pickups to rent, especially in more rural areas. If it?s available, it?s great and perfect for short tows a few times a year. Just make sure you get the right size ball for the hitch before you leave! Tom > On Jan 18, 2019, at 6:48 AM, Frank Goldsmith wrote: > > Great information, thanks. I think that makes more sense for me, personally, since I rarely tow and don?t really need a large vehicle otherwise. > > Frank > >> On Jan 18, 2019, at 6:30 AM, Stephen Staum wrote: >> >> I rent a 1/2 ton pickup from Uhaul to launch and retrieve my boat each >> year. They charge $20 per day plus mileage and I don't need to drive a gas >> guzzling SUV all year round. I owned a Chevy Blazer for a number of years >> and towed the Rhodes with that. It was rated for 5,000# and is the >> absolute minimum towing capacity for our boats. >> >> >> >> *Stephen Staum* >> *s/v Carol Lee 2* >> >> *Needham, MA* >> >> >>> On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 2:42 PM Jay Friedland wrote: >>> >>> Fwiw, at a 2016 auto show, I did shopping based on 5,000 lb. towing >>> capacity. The mid-size Kia Sorento V-6 was the only ?smaller? SUV w/ that >>> capacity. My son was selling them at the time, and I had the opportunity to >>> tow my R22 from coastal NJ to Edenton & back with no issues at all. That >>> included 30 to 35-mph cross winds on the Chesapeake Bay Bridge going down, >>> just after their 40-mph restrictions for trailers, RVs were lifted and >>> other bridges (Del. Memorial and local). It was steady, stable and very >>> responsive. With 26 avg. MPG, it replaced a RAV-4 that was able to tow >>> locally (after warranty expired). >>> >>> Jay Friedland >>> S/V Wanderlust ?97 >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Jan 17, 2019, at 2:14 PM, Frank Goldsmith >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Very helpful to know; the son may balk at subjecting his truck to this >>> burden, after all. >>>> >>>> Frank >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Jan 17, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list < >>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Frank,I am sure too light. You might bluff thru on the flat, but the >>> hills would be a real problem. I suspect that Honda might nix warranty >>> claims to boot. Short haul, launching anyone's guess.Arts/v MaryJaneLake >>> Hartwell >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 5:38 PM, Frank Goldsmith >>> wrote: Recently there was a thread about towing a Rhodes with various >>> vehicles. Has anyone tried towing one with a Honda CR-V or Toyota RAV-4? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Frank Goldsmith >>>>> s/v Mary Bess >>>>> Lake Keowee, SC >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> __________________________________________________ >>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>>>> >>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives >>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>>>> __________________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> __________________________________________________ >>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>>>> >>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives >>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>>> >>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives >>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>>> __________________________________________________ >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >>> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From michael.4591 at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 12:21:44 2019 From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 12:21:44 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Haul out Time Message-ID: Attached photo showing my 99 Rhodes profile during recent haul out at Sunset Marina in Hampton Roads. 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