[Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds

Fri Jun 7 10:51:54 EDT 2019

And you keep the kids involved. Lots of sailing to look forward to.

Chris G
ENOSIS

On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 at 15:15, Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Chris!
>
> Yes i will continue to encourage him.  We are going sailing on fathers day.
>
> I am sharing with him my secret for restoring a boat. “Do one thing every
> day to or for the boat”. Doesnt have to be big though those days are
> needed, it can be as simple as ordering a part or picking up a tube of
> butyl rubber, epoxy or a box of SS screws.  He is intrigued for sure.
>
> He finally figured out which way to twist a screwdriver!  His younger
> brother on the other hand can swap an engine. Go figure!
>
> Exciting times!
>
>
>
> Keep sailing the dream Chris!!!
>
>
>
> Bob (Palatka)
>
>
>
> > On Jun 6, 2019, at 3:02 AM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > .....
>
> > Congratulations on your success with passing on your love of sailing and
>
> > the Rhodes to the next generation. Encourage him to think big goo. I did
>
> > the same dith my so and he has become a great sailor and accomplished
>
> > Rhodie. While a teenager he sailed dith friends on the Rhodes in the San
>
> > Juan’s and Mexico. Besides get a kid involved is restoring a boat and he
>
> > will stay ofc drugs and booze ........there won’t be the money for those
>
> > (grin).
>
> >
>
> > Chris Geankoplis
>
> > ENOSIS
>
> >
>
> >> On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 at 01:37, Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> Out of curiosity who pays the web host fee for Rhodes22.org? They are
> the
>
> >> real owner of the list!
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> On a side note yesterday my 16 year old finally snapped out of it, put
>
> >> down his cell phone and came out to the Rhodes! He was amazed he could
> lie
>
> >> down and stretch out in the berth (He is 6’3”)!  He started looking
> around
>
> >> and said “This thing is really cool!”  I cant wait till you go out again
>
> >> cause i want to sail too!!! (He is a decent sunfish sailor) He then
> started
>
> >> mentioning that the styling of the R-22 was “sick” (meaning more
> awesome)
>
> >> than other boats.
>
> >>
>
> >> Then he started walking around my “parts boat” and decided he could “fix
>
> >> it and sail” (i gave him the book by that title!!).
>
> >>
>
> >> So BAM!! A new Rhodie was born yesterday!
>
> >>
>
> >> I predicted last week that the new generation would figure this out
>
> >> eventually,
>
> >>
>
> >> But had no idea it would be my own son!!!
>
> >>
>
> >> 😳🙄😁
>
> >>
>
> >> Ha!
>
> >>
>
> >> So now is the conundrum.  Didn’t Stan say last week my son cant be a
>
> >> Rhodie since he cut off the certificate of support? I have one so i
> guess i
>
> >> can transfer it?  Thoughts?
>
> >>
>
> >> 😞
>
> >>
>
> >> Rhodes 22 forever!
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> Bob (Palatka)
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>> On May 28, 2019, at 3:33 PM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>>
>
> >>
>
> >>> I am with Stan on this issue.  Been a Rhodes owner and Stan loyalist
>
> >> since
>
> >>
>
> >>> 1996.  I absolutely trust him and sincerely hope he can find an active
>
> >>
>
> >>> partner to help with GB.  Seems to me that Chris C. and his company are
>
> >>
>
> >>> just trying to squeeze Stan out!
>
> >>
>
> >>> Great to hear again from MJM; wasn't sure you were still out there.
>
> >>
>
> >>>
>
> >>
>
> >>> Mike Corley
>
> >>
>
> >>> S/V Ranger
>
> >>
>
> >>> Hampton Roads
>
> >>
>
> >>>
>
> >>
>
> >>> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 1:49 PM Charles Nieman <
>
> >> blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>
> >>
>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>> I do not disagree with the premise presented here....and I do not have
>
> >> any
>
> >>
>
> >>>> real interest....but, it should be noted...
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>> This list is not the property of nor supported by General Boats  ....
>
> >> fro
>
> >>
>
> >>>> what I have been able to tell over the years of being involved with
> this
>
> >>
>
> >>>> list, Stan has never nurtured this list and only occasionally will he
>
> >>
>
> >>>> respond to the list, but I THINK he does "listen" to the postings here
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>> ... it is my understanding that this list is an open exchange of
>
> >>
>
> >>>> information between people who own a Rhodes 22, want to own a Rhodes
>
> >> 22, or
>
> >>
>
> >>>> have other interest in a Rhodes 22. I think Chris Cowie qualifies
> under
>
> >> a
>
> >>
>
> >>>> least two of those points.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>> Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>> ________________________________
>
> >>
>
> >>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>
> >> Bob
>
> >>
>
> >>>> Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
>
> >>
>
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 11:15 AM
>
> >>
>
> >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>
> >>
>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>> My $0.1 from Kent Island, Chesapeake Bay
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>> I fell in love with the Rhodes 22 when I stepped onto the vessel at
> the
>
> >>
>
> >>>> 2005 Annapolis Boat Show, and test sailed it with Stan during the same
>
> >>
>
> >>>> show.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>> I understand that competition has arrived but I am concerned about
>
> >> using a
>
> >>
>
> >>>> mailing list that was nurtured by General Boats over 50+ years and
>
> >> marketed
>
> >>
>
> >>>> at boat shows around the US, including the first Annapolis Sailboat
>
> >> Show in
>
> >>
>
> >>>> 1970. The cost of marketing can be a significant barrier to entry
>
> >> against
>
> >>
>
> >>>> an established brand. Using a competitor’s existing customer base and
>
> >>
>
> >>>> mailing list avoids these costs, so I would expect that the ‘right
>
> >> thing’
>
> >>
>
> >>>> to do would be to compensate GB for any Rhodes-related sales and
>
> >> services.
>
> >>
>
> >>>> It’s not clear to me whether that arrangement has been made.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>> As a side note, I’ve sailed around the Chesapeake Bay for the last 15
>
> >>
>
> >>>> years, after moving in 2003 to a neighborhood just up from Annapolis
> on
>
> >> the
>
> >>
>
> >>>> Severn River. We moved across the Bay to Kent Island in 2018 and we
> were
>
> >>
>
> >>>> very surprised last September when a dozen dolphins played around us
>
> >> while
>
> >>
>
> >>>> we tacked across the Chester River. I suspect it was the beauty of the
>
> >>
>
> >>>> Rhodes 22 hull that attracted them. Especially since some of these
>
> >> dolphins
>
> >>
>
> >>>> appeared to have stopped over in Edenton on the way to the Chesapeake.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>> Regards,
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>> Bob, s/v 2000 Sail la Vie
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 11:36 AM Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com>
>
> >>
>
> >>>> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> $ 0.02 from Florida
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> I really think all of this talk is in poor taste.  Stan is very much
>
> >>
>
> >>>> alive
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> and still active CEO of a great boat company.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> Life constantly reminds me that no one is guaranteed tomorrow.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> My motto is “treat everyone like its your last day and theirs!”
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> I am an active certificate of support member having paid my
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> penalty/membership to Stan who graciously allowed me to give him
> money
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> after buying my boat from a sailboat graveyard in Georgia.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> When i needed a replacement hatch i couldnt get one without driving
> to
>
> >>
>
> >>>> the
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> factory as it was too large to ship.  But as serendpity would have
> it,
>
> >> i
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> bought another failing vessel with a functioning hatch before i made
>
> >> the
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> drive.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> Now we all wish there was a website where we could order parts to
> keep
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> things operational right!!!???
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> ... but Stan being a capitalist in the full sense of the word
> (despite
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> claiming to be a socialist lol) decided it best to let the boats age
>
> >> out
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> and be repurchased for recycling.  Its a brilliant idea especially
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> considering GB was only a “one design” company (i know there was a
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> prototype).  Also in His defense he does occasionally fill and ship
> an
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> order for soft and small parts.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> This business tactic probably profited the same as a parts store.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> Competition has arrived...it is inevitable. Competitors in the same
>
> >>
>
> >>>> market
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> often dont do well so i cant see that there is much money in this
>
> >>
>
> >>>> endeavor
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> so be not dismayed.  Another issue is the fate of the abandoned R22’s
>
> >>
>
> >>>> that
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> have the thick heavy hulls that are not suitable for the recycling
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> program.  I love all boats and hate to see them go to the dump.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> But all of this rambling brings me to my next statement to Stan....if
>
> >> you
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> are still reading.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> Stan! Keep eating organic and live to be 120!!
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> Lets redesign the keel into a ballasted diamond board and put a
>
> >>
>
> >>>> rudderpost
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> in the cockpit drain area and mount a 30-40 hp honda on the midline
> and
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> show MacGregor that your power sailer is superior to his 26  and
> looks
>
> >>
>
> >>>> much
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> better!  It would sell like hotcakes and sail like an R22!  After all
>
> >>
>
> >>>> that
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> WAS your idea!
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> Bob (Palatka)
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>> On May 26, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>> It is probably an opportune time for me to get into the fray.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>> I cannot imagine the sale of GB to anyone under any circumstances,
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> fellow skippers, no discredit to anyone.  I suspect the business will
>
> >>
>
> >>>> pass
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> to Stan's daughter through his will. My suggestion would be to drive
> to
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> B'more and see if you want to be her business partner.  You may find
>
> >> she
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> has little intention of becoming the CEO, therefore creating this
>
> >> option.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>> Remember that time flies.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>> Art Czerwonkys/v MaryJane (soon available)
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>> On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 8:51 AM, michael meltzer<
>
> >>
>
> >>>> mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> wrote:   Considering my bottom painting just got rained out. What
> going
>
> >>
>
> >>>> on
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> here?
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>> Anyone have a summary (no axes to grind please), been following but
>
> >> not
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>> understanding
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> On Sat, May 25, 2019, 9:28 PM Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com>
>
> >>
>
> >>>> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> I've been on the list probably longer than most. The new admins
> keep
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> bouncing my emails saying my freebie email must be sent as plain
> text
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> instead HTML. I hope this email gets through, because I can't stand
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> Nabble.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> I'm a nice guy most of the time but I can be quite abrasive at
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> times...just ask Roger P (welcome back BTW). And this email will
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> probably
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> cost me a few friends here too but I don't care . My 2 cents; which
>
> >> is
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> more
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> vinegar than sugar:
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> I first got on list before we left Sailnet and MJM started this
> list
>
> >>
>
> >>>> for
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> us Rhodies, so I've been here since before the beginning. Early on
> I
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> bumped
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> heads with Stan and got grilled by a few of the hardcore
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> Rhodies...especially Rummy (may he rest in peace). I went off
> because
>
> >>
>
> >>>> of
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> Stan's reluctance to stop the production line to field my calls and
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> parts
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> requests. Stan made a comment to the effect of 'I'm not in the
> parts
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> business so go talk to the guy you bought the boat from. Why
> should I
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> stop
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> trying to make money to help out someone who has never put one dime
>
> >> in
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> my
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> pocket?' This is partly the genesis for the Certificate of Support
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> program.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> I had never dealt with a struggling "one-off" organization before,
>
> >>
>
> >>>> but I
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> eventually understood the mindset and now I have to step up and
>
> >> defend
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> Stan.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> I'm sure he'd love to sell his business and finally retire...before
>
> >> he
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> turns 100 or reaches his "expiration date". I thought about making
>
> >> him
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> this
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> offer--- I wouldn't buy his business or infuse any cash. But I
> could
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> drive
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> down to Edenton bimonthly or so and tell him how to run the
> business
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> better, in exchange for him giving me the business and property in
>
> >> his
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> Will
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> or something like that. Unfortunately though...somebody had already
>
> >>
>
> >>>> made
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> him that offer.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> CC's endeavor is his own and I wish him luck. But Charles's
>
> >> supportive
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> email and choice of phrases are ironic. I'm at a loss to understand
>
> >>
>
> >>>> how
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> a
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> directly competing business, especially one advertising HERE, is
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> supposed
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> to put one dime in Stan's pocket?  Is that how you perpetuate a
>
> >>
>
> >>>> brand? b
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> Competing and taking business by soliciting to the list members
>
> >> who've
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> supported Stan for so long? I'll stop just short of saying this is
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> Stan's
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> list, but we started it to drive interest in the Rhodes 22 and
> we've
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> promoted General Boats with some success.  CC's business may
>
> >> certainly
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> propel OUR interests in (your) Stan's invention" but it is
> certainly
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> not a
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> faithful "continuation of the brand"?
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> I'm sorry if this offends anyone, and I don't want to make enemy of
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> Chris
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> or Charles, but this is not the place to be asking for or looking
> for
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> support to cripple the struggling business of the aged Admiral of
> our
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> fleet.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> Todd Tavares (Todd T.)
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 7:17 PM
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> From: "Charles Nieman" <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> Stan;
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> I would normally not make any public comment in a situation such as
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> this,
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> but you have asked. I support what CC is doing and think it
> actually
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> helps
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> to propel our interests in your invention. You have not provided
> any
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> evidence of any solid plan for the continuation of the brand. And
>
> >>
>
> >>>> while
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> your longevity is amazing (but I’m pretty certain you do have an
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> expiration
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> date as the rest of us do, if I’m wrong here I applaud you but
> could
>
> >>
>
> >>>> you
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> please share some insight and some evidence) there needs to be some
>
> >>
>
> >>>> plan
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> for the future. It appears to me that CC is attempting to provide
>
> >>
>
> >>>> such.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> He
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> therefore will receive the same support from me that you have. I
> wish
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> both
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> endeavors all possible success.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> Charles
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> 98 R 22
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> s/v DayDreams
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> Joe Pool Lake, DFW Texas
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>> On May 25, 2019, at 4:24 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>> For 50 years Rhodes owners have been our sales force and our board
>
> >> of
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> directors. So before we submit a book size White Paper response to
>
> >>
>
> >>>> Chris
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> Cowie's "new" business, made clear by the following two emails, we
>
> >>
>
> >>>> feel
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> we
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> should give voice to the cooler collective heads of the List,
> before
>
> >> a
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> declaration of war:
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>> "/Hi Chris, /
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>> /Rumor (Ted) has it that you may know of used Rhodes 22s for sale
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> especially in the Mid Atlantic region. My wife Emily and I are
>
> >>
>
> >>>> seriously
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> hot to trot! Jeff: Contact me//**//via email - we//**//have several
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> refurbished Rhodes 22 ready to sail."/
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>> If you own, or are thinking of buying a Rhodes, what is happening
>
> >>
>
> >>>> here
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> truly affect your interests. Any and all input from the List will
> be
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> thoughtfully responded to.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>> thanks for hearing,
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>> stan
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>>
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