From bgreenwald at optonline.net  Mon May 13 19:40:53 2019
From: bgreenwald at optonline.net (Optonline)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 19:40:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] List
Message-ID: <9B225293-7796-4BB6-AB63-D8CC37D320CB@optonline.net>

Is the list down?  I haven?t re dived anything since May 1.

Bruce Greenwald
S/V Ruach

> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> __________________________________________________


From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Mon May 13 21:16:17 2019
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 21:16:17 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] List
In-Reply-To: <9B225293-7796-4BB6-AB63-D8CC37D320CB@optonline.net>
References: <9B225293-7796-4BB6-AB63-D8CC37D320CB@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <B20C280A-BBAE-4ED1-B42A-5A244EF80A20@sunnybeeches.com>

The list seems to be working.  I guess no one is feeling very chatty lately.  

The weather we?ve been having in Connecticut this spring isn?t helping me get my boat projects done.  It seems likely that once again the boat won?t be in the water until June.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On May 13, 2019, at 7:40 PM, Optonline <bgreenwald at optonline.net> wrote:
> 
> Is the list down?  I haven?t re dived anything since May 1.
> 
> Bruce Greenwald
> S/V Ruach
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> __________________________________________________
> 


From alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com  Mon May 13 21:58:29 2019
From: alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com (Alexis Seigneurin)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 01:58:29 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] List
In-Reply-To: <B20C280A-BBAE-4ED1-B42A-5A244EF80A20@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <9B225293-7796-4BB6-AB63-D8CC37D320CB@optonline.net>,
 <B20C280A-BBAE-4ED1-B42A-5A244EF80A20@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <SN6PR07MB48773B4E12E8DF73A6AFFBEDA6080@SN6PR07MB4877.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

I can confirm it?s working!

I sailed a week ago, for the first time single handed, including the docking part, which scared me a bit, but it went great. It was probably the best sail I ever did!

I saw someone on Facebook who talked about a Tiller Clutch. This thing looks great so I ordered one. http://www.wavefrontmarine.com/

I built frames for the cockpit shelves. I am attaching a picture. I made them of cedar wood, stained with red mahogany stain, and varnished with polyurethane varnish. I am planning on installing them this weekend.

Alexis
[Image]

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 9:16 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] List

The list seems to be working. I guess no one is feeling very chatty lately.

The weather we?ve been having in Connecticut this spring isn?t helping me get my boat projects done. It seems likely that once again the boat won?t be in the water until June.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On May 13, 2019, at 7:40 PM, Optonline <bgreenwald at optonline.net> wrote:
>
> Is the list down? I haven?t re dived anything since May 1.
>
> Bruce Greenwald
> S/V Ruach
>
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Tue May 14 00:00:28 2019
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 00:00:28 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] List
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References: <9B225293-7796-4BB6-AB63-D8CC37D320CB@optonline.net>,
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Message-ID: <007b01d50a09$91fc9290$b5f5b7b0$@ebsmed.com>

Alexis,

I was trying to figure out what frames for the "cockpit shelves" were.  I
believe that the beautiful frames that you constructed are for the "coaming
compartments."  They look great!

I am still waiting for some dry weather here on Long Island.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Alexis
Seigneurin
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 9:58 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] List

I can confirm it's working!

I sailed a week ago, for the first time single handed, including the docking
part, which scared me a bit, but it went great. It was probably the best
sail I ever did!

I saw someone on Facebook who talked about a Tiller Clutch. This thing looks
great so I ordered one. http://www.wavefrontmarine.com/

I built frames for the cockpit shelves. I am attaching a picture. I made
them of cedar wood, stained with red mahogany stain, and varnished with
polyurethane varnish. I am planning on installing them this weekend.

Alexis
[Image]

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Peter
Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 9:16 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] List

The list seems to be working. I guess no one is feeling very chatty lately.

The weather we've been having in Connecticut this spring isn't helping me
get my boat projects done. It seems likely that once again the boat won't be
in the water until June.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On May 13, 2019, at 7:40 PM, Optonline <bgreenwald at optonline.net> wrote:
>
> Is the list down? I haven't re dived anything since May 1.
>
> Bruce Greenwald
> S/V Ruach
>
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>> __________________________________________________
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From cjlowe at sssnet.com  Tue May 14 00:20:45 2019
From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 00:20:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] List
In-Reply-To: <SN6PR07MB48773B4E12E8DF73A6AFFBEDA6080@SN6PR07MB4877.namprd07.prod.ou
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References: <9B225293-7796-4BB6-AB63-D8CC37D320CB@optonline.net>,
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Message-ID: <57330.24.140.30.102.1557807645.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>

She is a pretty sweet boat for singlehanding. Welcome to the club

Jerry Lowe S/V Country Rhodes




 I can confirm it?s working!
>
> I sailed a week ago, for the first time single handed, including the
> docking part, which scared me a bit, but it went great. It was probably
> the best sail I ever did!
>
> I saw someone on Facebook who talked about a Tiller Clutch. This thing
> looks great so I ordered one. http://www.wavefrontmarine.com/
>
> I built frames for the cockpit shelves. I am attaching a picture. I made
> them of cedar wood, stained with red mahogany stain, and varnished with
> polyurethane varnish. I am planning on installing them this weekend.
>
> Alexis
> [Image]
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 9:16 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] List
>
> The list seems to be working. I guess no one is feeling very chatty
> lately.
>
> The weather we?ve been having in Connecticut this spring isn?t helping me
> get my boat projects done. It seems likely that once again the boat won?t
> be in the water until June.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
>> On May 13, 2019, at 7:40 PM, Optonline <bgreenwald at optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>> Is the list down? I haven?t re dived anything since May 1.
>>
>> Bruce Greenwald
>> S/V Ruach
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From daysails at aol.com  Tue May 14 07:20:25 2019
From: daysails at aol.com (daysails at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 11:20:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] List
In-Reply-To: <57330.24.140.30.102.1557807645.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>
References: <9B225293-7796-4BB6-AB63-D8CC37D320CB@optonline.net>
 <B20C280A-BBAE-4ED1-B42A-5A244EF80A20@sunnybeeches.com>
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Message-ID: <1883295721.286114.1557832825498@mail.yahoo.com>


Congratulations Alexis on your first solo.? Each time out is a learning experience of what this amazing boat can do with a crew of one.? You may already have a tiller tamer on board.? Here is what came on mine.? It is easy to use and keeps me on track.? I call it "Stan".? I never have had a prblem with Stan on the tiller.? Joe Riley S/V Second Wind Athens, GA

-----Original Message-----
From: cjlowe <cjlowe at sssnet.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tue, May 14, 2019 12:20 am
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] List

She is a pretty sweet boat for singlehanding. Welcome to the club

Jerry Lowe S/V Country Rhodes




 I can confirm it?s working!
>
> I sailed a week ago, for the first time single handed, including the
> docking part, which scared me a bit, but it went great. It was probably
> the best sail I ever did!
>
> I saw someone on Facebook who talked about a Tiller Clutch. This thing
> looks great so I ordered one. http://www.wavefrontmarine.com/
>
> I built frames for the cockpit shelves. I am attaching a picture. I made
> them of cedar wood, stained with red mahogany stain, and varnished with
> polyurethane varnish. I am planning on installing them this weekend.
>
> Alexis
> [Image]
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 9:16 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] List
>
> The list seems to be working. I guess no one is feeling very chatty
> lately.
>
> The weather we?ve been having in Connecticut this spring isn?t helping me
> get my boat projects done. It seems likely that once again the boat won?t
> be in the water until June.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
>> On May 13, 2019, at 7:40 PM, Optonline <bgreenwald at optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>> Is the list down? I haven?t re dived anything since May 1.
>>
>> Bruce Greenwald
>> S/V Ruach
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Tue May 14 08:52:31 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 08:52:31 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Heading to Italy
Message-ID: <CADNTwiWGCMaqn16vWROTU7_cQ=dY6-hhKAkPg06tv09vF+-idg@mail.gmail.com>

Well it is that time of year for us.  The Rhodes (Enosis I or "E1" for
short) is currently hibernating on a mountainside on the Island of Ischia
in the Bay of Naples. I should be there at the end of May and set to work
on it.  Nothing major, replace the faucet and pump and a couple other
things then get customs to do their thing and re issue me a new Temporary
Import permit that should be good for 18 months.  Then Alice should join me
the end of the first week of June.  From there it will be Capri, Positano,
Salarno, and points south along the coast until we get to Sicily.  We hope
to spend a couple of weeks exploring Sicily before jumping "Toe" to "heel"
and then across the Adriatic to Montenegro or Croatia.  We should spend a
month or 6 weeks there before heading south to leave the boat in Montenegro
or possibly Albania.  On the other hand if I truly get the full 18 months
on the permit then I will probably leave the boat in Croatia as long as it
isn't too expensive. So that is the plan.  Should be fun.  I think the
distance is about the same, maybe a bit longer than last year's trip with
E1 from Barcelona to Naples.  I will keep a journal as I did last time and
send it off to the list as time allows. For newbies to the list, If you
didn't get to see what a Rhodes can do as as a pocket cruiser, click on the
link below.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BO2sEwy0bgGBVYAl20cD4s74ZUZa8r95/view?usp=sharing

Note, the link might get "scrubbed", if it does, I hope the administrator
whom we all appreciate for his hard work, will see fit to put it back in.
(grin)

Chris & Alice Geankoplis
S/V ENOSIS I

From michael.4591 at gmail.com  Tue May 14 13:17:16 2019
From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 13:17:16 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] List
In-Reply-To: <1883295721.286114.1557832825498@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <9B225293-7796-4BB6-AB63-D8CC37D320CB@optonline.net>
 <B20C280A-BBAE-4ED1-B42A-5A244EF80A20@sunnybeeches.com>
 <SN6PR07MB48773B4E12E8DF73A6AFFBEDA6080@SN6PR07MB4877.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <CACSd1jKsUaeHO_uss6BeCSNmgMTi4=NPYcWvC4z4R3JJiyrfug@mail.gmail.com>

The boat is only new till you hit the dock!  And all of us have at one time
or another . . .
Hoping to get mine in the water next week.

Mike
S/V Ranger
Hampton Roads

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 7:20 AM Sling via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

>
> Congratulations Alexis on your first solo.  Each time out is a learning
> experience of what this amazing boat can do with a crew of one.  You may
> already have a tiller tamer on board.  Here is what came on mine.  It is
> easy to use and keeps me on track.  I call it "Stan".  I never have had a
> prblem with Stan on the tiller.  Joe Riley S/V Second Wind Athens, GA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cjlowe <cjlowe at sssnet.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tue, May 14, 2019 12:20 am
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] List
>
> She is a pretty sweet boat for singlehanding. Welcome to the club
>
> Jerry Lowe S/V Country Rhodes
>
>
>
>
>  I can confirm it?s working!
> >
> > I sailed a week ago, for the first time single handed, including the
> > docking part, which scared me a bit, but it went great. It was probably
> > the best sail I ever did!
> >
> > I saw someone on Facebook who talked about a Tiller Clutch. This thing
> > looks great so I ordered one. http://www.wavefrontmarine.com/
> >
> > I built frames for the cockpit shelves. I am attaching a picture. I made
> > them of cedar wood, stained with red mahogany stain, and varnished with
> > polyurethane varnish. I am planning on installing them this weekend.
> >
> > Alexis
> > [Image]
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> > Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 9:16 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] List
> >
> > The list seems to be working. I guess no one is feeling very chatty
> > lately.
> >
> > The weather we?ve been having in Connecticut this spring isn?t helping me
> > get my boat projects done. It seems likely that once again the boat won?t
> > be in the water until June.
> >
> > Peter Nyberg
> > Coventry, CT
> > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> >
> >> On May 13, 2019, at 7:40 PM, Optonline <bgreenwald at optonline.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Is the list down? I haven?t re dived anything since May 1.
> >>
> >> Bruce Greenwald
> >> S/V Ruach
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Tue May 14 14:28:08 2019
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 14:28:08 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] List
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References: <9B225293-7796-4BB6-AB63-D8CC37D320CB@optonline.net>
 <B20C280A-BBAE-4ED1-B42A-5A244EF80A20@sunnybeeches.com>
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 <1883295721.286114.1557832825498@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <00ea01d50a82$ca3efed0$5ebcfc70$@ca>

Rhodies don't hit docks do they?

Graham Stewart
Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
Kingston Ontario



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael Corley
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 1:17 PM
To: daysails at aol.com; The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] List

The boat is only new till you hit the dock!  And all of us have at one time
or another . . .
Hoping to get mine in the water next week.

Mike
S/V Ranger
Hampton Roads

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 7:20 AM Sling via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

>
> Congratulations Alexis on your first solo.  Each time out is a learning
> experience of what this amazing boat can do with a crew of one.  You may
> already have a tiller tamer on board.  Here is what came on mine.  It is
> easy to use and keeps me on track.  I call it "Stan".  I never have had a
> prblem with Stan on the tiller.  Joe Riley S/V Second Wind Athens, GA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cjlowe <cjlowe at sssnet.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tue, May 14, 2019 12:20 am
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] List
>
> She is a pretty sweet boat for singlehanding. Welcome to the club
>
> Jerry Lowe S/V Country Rhodes
>
>
>
>
>  I can confirm it?s working!
> >
> > I sailed a week ago, for the first time single handed, including the
> > docking part, which scared me a bit, but it went great. It was probably
> > the best sail I ever did!
> >
> > I saw someone on Facebook who talked about a Tiller Clutch. This thing
> > looks great so I ordered one. http://www.wavefrontmarine.com/
> >
> > I built frames for the cockpit shelves. I am attaching a picture. I made
> > them of cedar wood, stained with red mahogany stain, and varnished with
> > polyurethane varnish. I am planning on installing them this weekend.
> >
> > Alexis
> > [Image]
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> > Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 9:16 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] List
> >
> > The list seems to be working. I guess no one is feeling very chatty
> > lately.
> >
> > The weather we?ve been having in Connecticut this spring isn?t helping me
> > get my boat projects done. It seems likely that once again the boat won?t
> > be in the water until June.
> >
> > Peter Nyberg
> > Coventry, CT
> > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> >
> >> On May 13, 2019, at 7:40 PM, Optonline <bgreenwald at optonline.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Is the list down? I haven?t re dived anything since May 1.
> >>
> >> Bruce Greenwald
> >> S/V Ruach
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>
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From caesarpaul01 at yahoo.com  Tue May 14 17:27:23 2019
From: caesarpaul01 at yahoo.com (Caesar Paul)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 21:27:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A rhodes 22 in the Northwest for Sale
References: <804988545.2281465.1557869243184.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <804988545.2281465.1557869243184@mail.yahoo.com>

I have been silent for a long time, and have done a lot of sailing during this time.?
Thanks to Stan and those of you who guided me in my consideration and purchase of my 1985, refurbished with new boat guarantee in 2008.
The boat is now for sale.? It's listed on eBay and Craigslist in Portland, OR.
Please direct any Northwest potential buyers my way.
Thanks again for the great community built around Stan and his great Rhodes 22.
Respectfully Submitted,Caesar PaulVancouver, WA

From gramille at tds.net  Tue May 14 18:00:40 2019
From: gramille at tds.net (gramille)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 15:00:40 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] List
In-Reply-To: <B20C280A-BBAE-4ED1-B42A-5A244EF80A20@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <9B225293-7796-4BB6-AB63-D8CC37D320CB@optonline.net>
 <B20C280A-BBAE-4ED1-B42A-5A244EF80A20@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <1557871240964-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Hi Peter - I have been enjoying your adventures on Silverheels via YouTube 
and am about to purchase a Rhodes 22 to replace my Compac Suncat 17. I would
love to talk with you about some of your innovations  - especially the
whisker pole. Not sure about the etiquette on this forum but a call to 802
245 4707 would be appreciated!

Graham Parker.



--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From mike at traildesign.com  Wed May 15 00:37:59 2019
From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 23:37:59 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] List
In-Reply-To: <1557871240964-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <9B225293-7796-4BB6-AB63-D8CC37D320CB@optonline.net>
 <B20C280A-BBAE-4ED1-B42A-5A244EF80A20@sunnybeeches.com>
 <1557871240964-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAAY+qo_V1GXO6o2UCfE9RWUZVwXZVL2J1AaOGrNsDhbPmeSJiA@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, I?m also shopping for a new bow light after a dock encounter last
week.

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 5:00 PM gramille <gramille at tds.net> wrote:

> Hi Peter - I have been enjoying your adventures on Silverheels via YouTube
> and am about to purchase a Rhodes 22 to replace my Compac Suncat 17. I
> would
> love to talk with you about some of your innovations  - especially the
> whisker pole. Not sure about the etiquette on this forum but a call to 802
> 245 4707 would be appreciated!
>
> Graham Parker.
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>
-- 
Michael Riter
President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
mike at traildesign.com
678-410-8021

From Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com  Wed May 15 07:57:46 2019
From: Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 11:57:46 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] List
In-Reply-To: <CAAY+qo_V1GXO6o2UCfE9RWUZVwXZVL2J1AaOGrNsDhbPmeSJiA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9B225293-7796-4BB6-AB63-D8CC37D320CB@optonline.net>
 <B20C280A-BBAE-4ED1-B42A-5A244EF80A20@sunnybeeches.com>
 <1557871240964-0.post@n5.nabble.com>,
 <CAAY+qo_V1GXO6o2UCfE9RWUZVwXZVL2J1AaOGrNsDhbPmeSJiA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BL0PR02MB464300E096F9248DE8B6C70780090@BL0PR02MB4643.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi All,



Dock encounters taking out the vulnerable bow light are one of the main reasons I kind of like the old style separate port and starboard bow lights that mount on the cabin house.  If you have a collision that takes out one of these old style lights; then, losing a bow light will probably be among the least of your problems!  Plus, you will probably only lose the port or starboard bow light because they are separate.



Dynamic Equilibrium is rigged to fly a whisker pole.  What do want to know?



Roger Pihlaja

S/V Dynamic Equilibrium



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________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 12:37:59 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] List

Yeah, I?m also shopping for a new bow light after a dock encounter last
week.

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 5:00 PM gramille <gramille at tds.net> wrote:

> Hi Peter - I have been enjoying your adventures on Silverheels via YouTube
> and am about to purchase a Rhodes 22 to replace my Compac Suncat 17. I
> would
> love to talk with you about some of your innovations  - especially the
> whisker pole. Not sure about the etiquette on this forum but a call to 802
> 245 4707 would be appreciated!
>
> Graham Parker.
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>
--
Michael Riter
President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
mike at traildesign.com
678-410-8021

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Wed May 15 20:43:07 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 20:43:07 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A rhodes 22 in the Northwest for Sale
In-Reply-To: <804988545.2281465.1557869243184@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <804988545.2281465.1557869243184.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <804988545.2281465.1557869243184@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiXC3eAn3OGF8tjWCKBZtSpbRXUzNnreGQeXBUFQZ7NYxQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Caesar,
                 I fondly recall our times sailing together at the R22
Northwest rallies.  I wish the best to you and your wife and someone out
there will be getting a fine boat.   So glad you boat has been well used.

Chris Geankoplis
S/V Enosis









On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 5:27 PM Caesar Paul via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> I have been silent for a long time, and have done a lot of sailing during
> this time.
> Thanks to Stan and those of you who guided me in my consideration and
> purchase of my 1985, refurbished with new boat guarantee in 2008.
> The boat is now for sale.  It's listed on eBay and Craigslist in Portland,
> OR.
> Please direct any Northwest potential buyers my way.
> Thanks again for the great community built around Stan and his great
> Rhodes 22.
> Respectfully Submitted,Caesar PaulVancouver, WA
>

From rlowe at vt.edu  Thu May 16 15:03:02 2019
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 19:03:02 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A rhodes 22 in the Northwest for Sale
In-Reply-To: <804988545.2281465.1557869243184@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <804988545.2281465.1557869243184.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <804988545.2281465.1557869243184@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BL0PR05MB53965906DD75E4145B671DFFC10A0@BL0PR05MB5396.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Caesar,
Enjoyed your stories, posts and reflections over the years.  - rob

I believe this is a link to the posting.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rhodes-22-Sailboat-Sleeps-a-family-of-4-Coastal-Cruiser/303133464858?hash=item469429991a:g:wikAAOSwRxlctLH1


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Caesar Paul via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 5:27 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A rhodes 22 in the Northwest for Sale

I have been silent for a long time, and have done a lot of sailing during this time. Thanks to Stan and those of you who guided me in my consideration and purchase of my 1985, refurbished with new boat guarantee in 2008.
The boat is now for sale.? It's listed on eBay and Craigslist in Portland, OR.
Please direct any Northwest potential buyers my way.
Thanks again for the great community built around Stan and his great Rhodes 22.
Respectfully Submitted,Caesar PaulVancouver, WA

From mategotlowhook at yahoo.com  Sun May 19 19:42:54 2019
From: mategotlowhook at yahoo.com (Theodore DeSantis)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2019 19:42:54 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] parts
Message-ID: <mailman.670.1558309381.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>

The following parts are available, all in very good shape
Rudder -refurbished
Tiller
Center board
Mast
Boom
Two hatches
Two travelers
Sails including Lazy jack main sail
Cushions ? good condition
Bimini and full enclosure

Located in Cape May, New Jersey.

Ted

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


From mike at traildesign.com  Sun May 19 19:52:59 2019
From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2019 18:52:59 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] parts
In-Reply-To: <mailman.670.1558309381.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
References: <mailman.670.1558309381.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
Message-ID: <CAAY+qo_E5g6XVuWFLZdWHB80cBV4FXR_fP-o454YWmPiYvKYyA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ted, I'm interested in the Bimini and full enclosure. Could you send
pics and price to me at Mike at traildesign.com?

Thanks!

Michael Riter
President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
mike at traildesign.com
678-410-8021



On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 6:43 PM Theodore DeSantis via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> The following parts are available, all in very good shape
> Rudder -refurbished
> Tiller
> Center board
> Mast
> Boom
> Two hatches
> Two travelers
> Sails including Lazy jack main sail
> Cushions ? good condition
> Bimini and full enclosure
>
> Located in Cape May, New Jersey.
>
> Ted
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
>

From cknell at vt.edu  Mon May 20 09:03:03 2019
From: cknell at vt.edu (Chris on LBI)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 06:03:03 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] parts
In-Reply-To: <mailman.670.1558309381.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
References: <mailman.670.1558309381.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
Message-ID: <1558357383172-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Hi Ted,

Would it be possible for me to stop by this week to take a look? I'm
specifically interested in the cushions and maybe the sails.

Thanks,
Chris



-----
Long Beach Island
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From daysails at aol.com  Mon May 20 09:17:05 2019
From: daysails at aol.com (daysails at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 13:17:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] parts
References: <1439412866.2552472.1558358225188.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1439412866.2552472.1558358225188@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Ted?
I have some interest in the cushions.? What color are they and what would be the price.? You can contact me at jriley at uga.edu? thanks, Joe Riley


-----Original Message-----
From: Theodore DeSantis via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Sun, May 19, 2019 7:43 pm
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] parts

The following parts are available, all in very good shape
Rudder -refurbished
Tiller
Center board
Mast
Boom
Two hatches
Two travelers
Sails including Lazy jack main sail
Cushions ? good condition
Bimini and full enclosure

Located in Cape May, New Jersey.

Ted

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Mon May 20 09:56:45 2019
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 13:56:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] parts
In-Reply-To: <mailman.670.1558309381.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
References: <mailman.670.1558309381.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
Message-ID: <794803183.2551303.1558360605183@mail.yahoo.com>

I would like to replace my enclosure and bimini ? let me know if available and cost ?Thank youMark West  keywestseccorp at verizon.net 



-----Original Message-----
From: Theodore DeSantis via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Sun, May 19, 2019 7:43 pm
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] parts

The following parts are available, all in very good shape
Rudder -refurbished
Tiller
Center board
Mast
Boom
Two hatches
Two travelers
Sails including Lazy jack main sail
Cushions ? good condition
Bimini and full enclosure

Located in Cape May, New Jersey.

Ted

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Mon May 20 10:09:18 2019
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 10:09:18 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] parts
In-Reply-To: <mailman.670.1558309381.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
References: <mailman.670.1558309381.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
Message-ID: <13EF5552-01B1-4A10-8315-D2C119A790B8@stottarchitecture.com>

Hi Ted 
if the CB is a Diamond board - I?m interested. 
Feel free to call 

Ric 
Dadventure
Hampton Bays, NY 

Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
www.stottarchitecture.com
Office	631-283-1777
Cell		516-965-3164 





> On May 19, 2019, at 7:42 PM, Theodore DeSantis via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> The following parts are available, all in very good shape
> Rudder -refurbished
> Tiller
> Center board
> Mast
> Boom
> Two hatches
> Two travelers
> Sails including Lazy jack main sail
> Cushions ? good condition
> Bimini and full enclosure
> 
> Located in Cape May, New Jersey.
> 
> Ted
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> 


From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com  Mon May 20 10:40:00 2019
From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 10:40:00 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] parts
In-Reply-To: <1439412866.2552472.1558358225188@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1439412866.2552472.1558358225188.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1439412866.2552472.1558358225188@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B1C21422-1F43-4D52-B2D8-A0250F776719@gmail.com>

Ted:  Which hatches?
I need a main hatch. I also need a mast but shipping might be an issue.
Bob
386-336-5420
Text

> On May 20, 2019, at 9:17 AM, Sling via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ted 
> I have some interest in the cushions.  What color are they and what would be the price.  You can contact me at jriley at uga.edu  thanks, Joe Riley
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Theodore DeSantis via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Sun, May 19, 2019 7:43 pm
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] parts
> 
> The following parts are available, all in very good shape
> Rudder -refurbished
> Tiller
> Center board
> Mast
> Boom
> Two hatches
> Two travelers
> Sails including Lazy jack main sail
> Cushions ? good condition
> Bimini and full enclosure
> 
> Located in Cape May, New Jersey.
> 
> Ted
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From a_czerwonky at yahoo.com  Mon May 20 11:01:10 2019
From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 15:01:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] parts
In-Reply-To: <B1C21422-1F43-4D52-B2D8-A0250F776719@gmail.com>
References: <1439412866.2552472.1558358225188.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1439412866.2552472.1558358225188@mail.yahoo.com>
 <B1C21422-1F43-4D52-B2D8-A0250F776719@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1621747416.1769099.1558364470955@mail.yahoo.com>

Ted, I have missed something. Did something happen to your boat?R, Art

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 10:40 AM, Goodness<spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:   Ted:? Which hatches?
I need a main hatch. I also need a mast but shipping might be an issue.
Bob
386-336-5420
Text

> On May 20, 2019, at 9:17 AM, Sling via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ted 
> I have some interest in the cushions.? What color are they and what would be the price.? You can contact me at jriley at uga.edu? thanks, Joe Riley
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Theodore DeSantis via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Sun, May 19, 2019 7:43 pm
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] parts
> 
> The following parts are available, all in very good shape
> Rudder -refurbished
> Tiller
> Center board
> Mast
> Boom
> Two hatches
> Two travelers
> Sails including Lazy jack main sail
> Cushions ? good condition
> Bimini and full enclosure
> 
> Located in Cape May, New Jersey.
> 
> Ted
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10  

From a_czerwonky at yahoo.com  Mon May 20 11:01:10 2019
From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 15:01:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] parts
In-Reply-To: <B1C21422-1F43-4D52-B2D8-A0250F776719@gmail.com>
References: <1439412866.2552472.1558358225188.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1439412866.2552472.1558358225188@mail.yahoo.com>
 <B1C21422-1F43-4D52-B2D8-A0250F776719@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1621747416.1769099.1558364470955@mail.yahoo.com>

Ted, I have missed something. Did something happen to your boat?R, Art

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 10:40 AM, Goodness<spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:   Ted:? Which hatches?
I need a main hatch. I also need a mast but shipping might be an issue.
Bob
386-336-5420
Text

> On May 20, 2019, at 9:17 AM, Sling via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ted 
> I have some interest in the cushions.? What color are they and what would be the price.? You can contact me at jriley at uga.edu? thanks, Joe Riley
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Theodore DeSantis via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Sun, May 19, 2019 7:43 pm
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] parts
> 
> The following parts are available, all in very good shape
> Rudder -refurbished
> Tiller
> Center board
> Mast
> Boom
> Two hatches
> Two travelers
> Sails including Lazy jack main sail
> Cushions ? good condition
> Bimini and full enclosure
> 
> Located in Cape May, New Jersey.
> 
> Ted
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10  

From mategotlowhook at yahoo.com  Mon May 20 18:29:18 2019
From: mategotlowhook at yahoo.com (Theodore DeSantis)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 22:29:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] parts
In-Reply-To: <1558357383172-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <mailman.670.1558309381.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
 <1558357383172-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <371569280.2805762.1558391358251@mail.yahoo.com>

 Chris,Wednesday would work after 3 p.m.? You can call me at 609-425-2090 to make further arrangements.Ted
    On Monday, May 20, 2019, 09:03:15 AM EDT, Chris on LBI <cknell at vt.edu> wrote:  
 
 Hi Ted,

Would it be possible for me to stop by this week to take a look? I'm
specifically interested in the cushions and maybe the sails.

Thanks,
Chris



-----
Long Beach Island
--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
  

From mategotlowhook at yahoo.com  Mon May 20 18:41:53 2019
From: mategotlowhook at yahoo.com (Theodore DeSantis)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 22:41:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] parts
In-Reply-To: <B1C21422-1F43-4D52-B2D8-A0250F776719@gmail.com>
References: <1439412866.2552472.1558358225188.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1439412866.2552472.1558358225188@mail.yahoo.com>
 <B1C21422-1F43-4D52-B2D8-A0250F776719@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <222289428.2839967.1558392113615@mail.yahoo.com>

 Bob,I have two of the main hatches in good condition.? if you are outside of New jersey shipping would probably not be possible.
Ted
    On Monday, May 20, 2019, 10:40:12 AM EDT, Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Ted:? Which hatches?
I need a main hatch. I also need a mast but shipping might be an issue.
Bob
386-336-5420
Text

> On May 20, 2019, at 9:17 AM, Sling via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ted 
> I have some interest in the cushions.? What color are they and what would be the price.? You can contact me at jriley at uga.edu? thanks, Joe Riley
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Theodore DeSantis via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Sun, May 19, 2019 7:43 pm
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] parts
> 
> The following parts are available, all in very good shape
> Rudder -refurbished
> Tiller
> Center board
> Mast
> Boom
> Two hatches
> Two travelers
> Sails including Lazy jack main sail
> Cushions ? good condition
> Bimini and full enclosure
> 
> Located in Cape May, New Jersey.
> 
> Ted
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10  

From mategotlowhook at yahoo.com  Mon May 20 18:53:26 2019
From: mategotlowhook at yahoo.com (Theodore DeSantis)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 22:53:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] trailer available
References: <313145924.2821183.1558392806151.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <313145924.2821183.1558392806151@mail.yahoo.com>

I have a 22 ft 1980 Trinidad extendable trailer available.? It is in good condition, has good tires and new bunks.? Located in Cape May New Jersey.
Ted DeSantis

From Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com  Mon May 20 23:40:18 2019
From: Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 03:40:18 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] trailer available
In-Reply-To: <313145924.2821183.1558392806151@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <313145924.2821183.1558392806151.ref@mail.yahoo.com>,
 <313145924.2821183.1558392806151@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BL0PR02MB464352BD90F0E691DAC401CF80070@BL0PR02MB4643.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Ted,



Is it single axle or double axle?  What kind of brakes?  How much do you want for it?



Roger Pihlaja

S/V Dynamic Equilibrium



Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10



________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Theodore DeSantis via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 6:53:26 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] trailer available

I have a 22 ft 1980 Trinidad extendable trailer available.  It is in good condition, has good tires and new bunks.  Located in Cape May New Jersey.
Ted DeSantis

From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Tue May 21 17:39:48 2019
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 14:39:48 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader Bushings
In-Reply-To: <1556314312523-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1556314312523-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1558474788953-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Hi Chris,
Rumor (Ted) has it that you may know of used Rhodes 22s for sale especially
in the Mid Atlantic region.  My wife Emily and I are seriously hot to trot!



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From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Tue May 21 18:34:02 2019
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 15:34:02 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader Bushings
In-Reply-To: <1558474788953-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1556314312523-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1558474788953-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1558478042622-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Jeff:  Contact me via email - we have several refurbished Rhodes 22 ready to
sail.



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Chris Cowie
Voilier Yachts
Sales & Service Representative
www.voilieryachts.com
 
703.717.9041 phone | 202.270.1470 mobile
10275 Demarr Rd
White Plains, MD 20695
[ccowie at voilieryachts.com]
 


 
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From cknell at vt.edu  Tue May 21 23:17:25 2019
From: cknell at vt.edu (Chris on LBI)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 20:17:25 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader Bushings
In-Reply-To: <1558474788953-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1556314312523-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1558474788953-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1558495045729-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Hi Jeff,

I'm sorry, but I do not know of a Rhodes for sale.

Chris



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From michael.4591 at gmail.com  Wed May 22 10:07:38 2019
From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 10:07:38 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader Bushings
In-Reply-To: <1558474788953-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1556314312523-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1558474788953-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CACSd1jKQXxPdwxL++XnHEs0F=k0QJfhcjcXG8b6C4+3g1ADbMg@mail.gmail.com>

First place to look for a used Rhodes is with the factory, General Boats in
Edenton, NC.  Contact Stan at
stan at generalboats.com
Keep an eye on the list as owners often list their boat here first.
I am in Hampton Roads, Virginia if you want to go sailing sometime.  There
is also an owner in Deltaville, DC area, and Baltimore.  Plenty of Rhodes
owners sprinkled along the East Coast.

Mike
S/V Ranger
99 Rhodes



On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 5:39 PM JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Chris,
> Rumor (Ted) has it that you may know of used Rhodes 22s for sale especially
> in the Mid Atlantic region.  My wife Emily and I are seriously hot to trot!
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From rodellner at mac.com  Wed May 22 10:23:56 2019
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 09:23:56 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader Bushings
In-Reply-To: <CACSd1jKQXxPdwxL++XnHEs0F=k0QJfhcjcXG8b6C4+3g1ADbMg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1556314312523-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1558474788953-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CACSd1jKQXxPdwxL++XnHEs0F=k0QJfhcjcXG8b6C4+3g1ADbMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EF4CCFEF-1B0A-4F6B-A385-C32374EE9E4A@mac.com>

Ditto to Mike?s remarks!   Stan?s the man!

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 22, 2019, at 9:07 AM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> First place to look for a used Rhodes is with the factory, General Boats in
> Edenton, NC.  Contact Stan at
> stan at generalboats.com
> Keep an eye on the list as owners often list their boat here first.
> I am in Hampton Roads, Virginia if you want to go sailing sometime.  There
> is also an owner in Deltaville, DC area, and Baltimore.  Plenty of Rhodes
> owners sprinkled along the East Coast.
> 
> Mike
> S/V Ranger
> 99 Rhodes
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 5:39 PM JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Chris,
>> Rumor (Ted) has it that you may know of used Rhodes 22s for sale especially
>> in the Mid Atlantic region.  My wife Emily and I are seriously hot to trot!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>> 


From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Wed May 22 11:00:09 2019
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 15:00:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader Bushings
In-Reply-To: <CACSd1jKQXxPdwxL++XnHEs0F=k0QJfhcjcXG8b6C4+3g1ADbMg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1556314312523-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1558474788953-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CACSd1jKQXxPdwxL++XnHEs0F=k0QJfhcjcXG8b6C4+3g1ADbMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <325552934.3546616.1558537209132@mail.yahoo.com>

Mike have seen Ranger at factory for service I also live in Hampton Rhds, VA beach. Keep my R22 in Hertford NC would like to get up go sailing, get some in put how your boat is set up. anyone wanting to go out on our Rhodes 22? we sail the upper? Albemarle Sound let me know Mark West? SV Fair wind II?


-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wed, May 22, 2019 10:07 am
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader Bushings

First place to look for a used Rhodes is with the factory, General Boats in
Edenton, NC.? Contact Stan at
stan at generalboats.com
Keep an eye on the list as owners often list their boat here first.
I am in Hampton Roads, Virginia if you want to go sailing sometime.? There
is also an owner in Deltaville, DC area, and Baltimore.? Plenty of Rhodes
owners sprinkled along the East Coast.

Mike
S/V Ranger
99 Rhodes



On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 5:39 PM JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Chris,
> Rumor (Ted) has it that you may know of used Rhodes 22s for sale especially
> in the Mid Atlantic region.? My wife Emily and I are seriously hot to trot!
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>
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From cknell at vt.edu  Wed May 22 20:10:41 2019
From: cknell at vt.edu (Chris on LBI)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 17:10:41 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Table Base Corrosion
Message-ID: <1558570241425-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

I have a question for you experienced owners out there.

I installed a brand-new table base (the metal receptacle in the floor) in
the cabin at the beginning of last season (June 2018). A few days ago I
noticed that it appeared to be very corroded. It began to fall apart as I
removed it. The screws holding the base are stainless; they are screwed into
the wood floor of the cabin, the carpet on the cabin floor is a synthetic of
some sort. I had a plastic cover on the base for the past year.

Is the severe corrosion caused because of the contact between the stainless
screws and the (probably) zinc plated table base? If not, what would you
suspect to be the cause?

Please see the attached photo:
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t902/Table_Base_Bottom.jpg> 

Thanks,
Chris



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From snstaum at gmail.com  Wed May 22 21:57:16 2019
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 21:57:16 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Table Base Corrosion
In-Reply-To: <1558570241425-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1558570241425-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAOo_FjeqCaCkS77ext=OQDrJH4bcG9TyhnaqyW9O-UP1a6p9wg@mail.gmail.com>

I installed 2 new bases (cabin & cockpit) last year. It did not seem the
new bases are the same quality as the old ones which corroded after 30
years. The new ones showed signs of corrosion very quickly. I assumed this
was the salt water but it shoots that theory if you are in fresh water.  It
may be bimetallic corrosion.

Any thoughts out there?

Stephen Staum
s/v Carol Lee 2
Needham, MA

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 8:10 PM Chris on LBI <cknell at vt.edu> wrote:

> I have a question for you experienced owners out there.
>
> I installed a brand-new table base (the metal receptacle in the floor) in
> the cabin at the beginning of last season (June 2018). A few days ago I
> noticed that it appeared to be very corroded. It began to fall apart as I
> removed it. The screws holding the base are stainless; they are screwed
> into
> the wood floor of the cabin, the carpet on the cabin floor is a synthetic
> of
> some sort. I had a plastic cover on the base for the past year.
>
> Is the severe corrosion caused because of the contact between the stainless
> screws and the (probably) zinc plated table base? If not, what would you
> suspect to be the cause?
>
> Please see the attached photo:
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t902/Table_Base_Bottom.jpg>
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
>
>
> -----
> Long Beach Island
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>
-- 
Stephen Staum
Pariser Industries, Inc.

From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Thu May 23 07:18:04 2019
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 07:18:04 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Table Base Corrosion
In-Reply-To: <1558570241425-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1558570241425-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1E35610F-96A0-416B-848E-809BF8946651@stottarchitecture.com>

It looks like an inexpensive replacement part and not the original. I have purchased these for the cockpit base and they last one season. 
Ric
Dadventure
Hampton Bays. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 22, 2019, at 8:10 PM, Chris on LBI <cknell at vt.edu> wrote:
> 
> I have a question for you experienced owners out there.
> 
> I installed a brand-new table base (the metal receptacle in the floor) in
> the cabin at the beginning of last season (June 2018). A few days ago I
> noticed that it appeared to be very corroded. It began to fall apart as I
> removed it. The screws holding the base are stainless; they are screwed into
> the wood floor of the cabin, the carpet on the cabin floor is a synthetic of
> some sort. I had a plastic cover on the base for the past year.
> 
> Is the severe corrosion caused because of the contact between the stainless
> screws and the (probably) zinc plated table base? If not, what would you
> suspect to be the cause?
> 
> Please see the attached photo:
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t902/Table_Base_Bottom.jpg> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> Long Beach Island
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From rlowe at vt.edu  Thu May 23 10:12:54 2019
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 14:12:54 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Table Base Corrosion
In-Reply-To: <1E35610F-96A0-416B-848E-809BF8946651@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <1558570241425-0.post@n5.nabble.com>,
 <1E35610F-96A0-416B-848E-809BF8946651@stottarchitecture.com>
Message-ID: <BL0PR05MB539678DE3635071D36C82741C1010@BL0PR05MB5396.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

I?m in agreement with Ric. I?ve had the cheap ones corrode in the marine environment. I believe there is also a stainless steel version, which does not corrode. - rob
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 7:18:04 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Table Base Corrosion

It looks like an inexpensive replacement part and not the original. I have purchased these for the cockpit base and they last one season.
Ric
Dadventure
Hampton Bays.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 22, 2019, at 8:10 PM, Chris on LBI <cknell at vt.edu> wrote:
>
> I have a question for you experienced owners out there.
>
> I installed a brand-new table base (the metal receptacle in the floor) in
> the cabin at the beginning of last season (June 2018). A few days ago I
> noticed that it appeared to be very corroded. It began to fall apart as I
> removed it. The screws holding the base are stainless; they are screwed into
> the wood floor of the cabin, the carpet on the cabin floor is a synthetic of
> some sort. I had a plastic cover on the base for the past year.
>
> Is the severe corrosion caused because of the contact between the stainless
> screws and the (probably) zinc plated table base? If not, what would you
> suspect to be the cause?
>
> Please see the attached photo:
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t902/Table_Base_Bottom.jpg>
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
>
>
> -----
> Long Beach Island
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Thu May 23 10:15:02 2019
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 14:15:02 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Table Base Corrosion
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR05MB539678DE3635071D36C82741C1010@BL0PR05MB5396.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1558570241425-0.post@n5.nabble.com>,
 <1E35610F-96A0-416B-848E-809BF8946651@stottarchitecture.com>
 <BL0PR05MB539678DE3635071D36C82741C1010@BL0PR05MB5396.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BN8PR18MB283345C87FD86B1113C72261D1010@BN8PR18MB2833.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>

Stainless steel is the correct way to go

Christopher P. Cowie? ??

700 N Fairfax Street
Suite 304
Alexandria, Virginia 22314
703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile
[ccowie at cowieassociates.com]



Please consider the environment before printing this email.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 10:13 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Table Base Corrosion

I?m in agreement with Ric. I?ve had the cheap ones corrode in the marine environment. I believe there is also a stainless steel version, which does not corrode. - rob ________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 7:18:04 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Table Base Corrosion

It looks like an inexpensive replacement part and not the original. I have purchased these for the cockpit base and they last one season.
Ric
Dadventure
Hampton Bays.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 22, 2019, at 8:10 PM, Chris on LBI <cknell at vt.edu> wrote:
>
> I have a question for you experienced owners out there.
>
> I installed a brand-new table base (the metal receptacle in the floor) 
> in the cabin at the beginning of last season (June 2018). A few days 
> ago I noticed that it appeared to be very corroded. It began to fall 
> apart as I removed it. The screws holding the base are stainless; they 
> are screwed into the wood floor of the cabin, the carpet on the cabin 
> floor is a synthetic of some sort. I had a plastic cover on the base for the past year.
>
> Is the severe corrosion caused because of the contact between the 
> stainless screws and the (probably) zinc plated table base? If not, 
> what would you suspect to be the cause?
>
> Please see the attached photo:
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t902/Table_Base_Bottom.jp
> g>
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
>
>
> -----
> Long Beach Island
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com  Thu May 23 10:16:41 2019
From: Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 14:16:41 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Table Base Corrosion
In-Reply-To: <1E35610F-96A0-416B-848E-809BF8946651@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <1558570241425-0.post@n5.nabble.com>,
 <1E35610F-96A0-416B-848E-809BF8946651@stottarchitecture.com>
Message-ID: <BL0PR02MB4643E98252E01DC45FFC011A80010@BL0PR02MB4643.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi All,



I think the original table bases are chrome plated bronze.  The table base in the photo looks like Zamak, which is an alloy of zinc, aluminum, copper, and magnesium.  Zamak is not rated for salt water service.  Zamak and stainless steel will bimetallic corrode very quickly.  You would have been better off using galvanized fasteners.



Roger Pihlaja

S/V Dynamic Equilibrium



Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10



________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 7:18:04 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Table Base Corrosion

It looks like an inexpensive replacement part and not the original. I have purchased these for the cockpit base and they last one season.
Ric
Dadventure
Hampton Bays.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 22, 2019, at 8:10 PM, Chris on LBI <cknell at vt.edu> wrote:
>
> I have a question for you experienced owners out there.
>
> I installed a brand-new table base (the metal receptacle in the floor) in
> the cabin at the beginning of last season (June 2018). A few days ago I
> noticed that it appeared to be very corroded. It began to fall apart as I
> removed it. The screws holding the base are stainless; they are screwed into
> the wood floor of the cabin, the carpet on the cabin floor is a synthetic of
> some sort. I had a plastic cover on the base for the past year.
>
> Is the severe corrosion caused because of the contact between the stainless
> screws and the (probably) zinc plated table base? If not, what would you
> suspect to be the cause?
>
> Please see the attached photo:
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t902/Table_Base_Bottom.jpg>
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
>
>
> -----
> Long Beach Island
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Thu May 23 11:06:25 2019
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 11:06:25 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Table Base Corrosion
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR02MB4643E98252E01DC45FFC011A80010@BL0PR02MB4643.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1558570241425-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1E35610F-96A0-416B-848E-809BF8946651@stottarchitecture.com>
 <BL0PR02MB4643E98252E01DC45FFC011A80010@BL0PR02MB4643.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <90E2E8B4-C520-4B5A-9C8C-B6D7D978CE40@stottarchitecture.com>

Does anyone have a source for better quality table base plates? 
If I recall, the majority of those available are a different size/diameter that the posts on our boats. 
Ric 
sv Dadventure 

Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
www.stottarchitecture.com
Office	631-283-1777
Cell		516-965-3164 





> On May 23, 2019, at 10:16 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> 
> 
> I think the original table bases are chrome plated bronze.  The table base in the photo looks like Zamak, which is an alloy of zinc, aluminum, copper, and magnesium.  Zamak is not rated for salt water service.  Zamak and stainless steel will bimetallic corrode very quickly.  You would have been better off using galvanized fasteners.
> 
> 
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> 
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 7:18:04 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Table Base Corrosion
> 
> It looks like an inexpensive replacement part and not the original. I have purchased these for the cockpit base and they last one season.
> Ric
> Dadventure
> Hampton Bays.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 22, 2019, at 8:10 PM, Chris on LBI <cknell at vt.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> I have a question for you experienced owners out there.
>> 
>> I installed a brand-new table base (the metal receptacle in the floor) in
>> the cabin at the beginning of last season (June 2018). A few days ago I
>> noticed that it appeared to be very corroded. It began to fall apart as I
>> removed it. The screws holding the base are stainless; they are screwed into
>> the wood floor of the cabin, the carpet on the cabin floor is a synthetic of
>> some sort. I had a plastic cover on the base for the past year.
>> 
>> Is the severe corrosion caused because of the contact between the stainless
>> screws and the (probably) zinc plated table base? If not, what would you
>> suspect to be the cause?
>> 
>> Please see the attached photo:
>> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t902/Table_Base_Bottom.jpg>
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----
>> Long Beach Island
>> --
>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/


From rlowe at vt.edu  Thu May 23 11:13:40 2019
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 15:13:40 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Table Base Corrosion
In-Reply-To: <90E2E8B4-C520-4B5A-9C8C-B6D7D978CE40@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <1558570241425-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1E35610F-96A0-416B-848E-809BF8946651@stottarchitecture.com>
 <BL0PR02MB4643E98252E01DC45FFC011A80010@BL0PR02MB4643.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>,
 <90E2E8B4-C520-4B5A-9C8C-B6D7D978CE40@stottarchitecture.com>
Message-ID: <BL0PR05MB539643089591742CEB4DE4EDC1010@BL0PR05MB5396.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

I got mine through an RV web site. Let me see if I can find it. rob
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Richard Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 11:06:25 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Table Base Corrosion

Does anyone have a source for better quality table base plates?
If I recall, the majority of those available are a different size/diameter that the posts on our boats.
Ric
sv Dadventure

Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
www.stottarchitecture.com<http://www.stottarchitecture.com>
Office  631-283-1777
Cell            516-965-3164





> On May 23, 2019, at 10:16 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> I think the original table bases are chrome plated bronze.  The table base in the photo looks like Zamak, which is an alloy of zinc, aluminum, copper, and magnesium.  Zamak is not rated for salt water service.  Zamak and stainless steel will bimetallic corrode very quickly.  You would have been better off using galvanized fasteners.
>
>
>
> Roger Pihlaja
>
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 7:18:04 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Table Base Corrosion
>
> It looks like an inexpensive replacement part and not the original. I have purchased these for the cockpit base and they last one season.
> Ric
> Dadventure
> Hampton Bays.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 22, 2019, at 8:10 PM, Chris on LBI <cknell at vt.edu> wrote:
>>
>> I have a question for you experienced owners out there.
>>
>> I installed a brand-new table base (the metal receptacle in the floor) in
>> the cabin at the beginning of last season (June 2018). A few days ago I
>> noticed that it appeared to be very corroded. It began to fall apart as I
>> removed it. The screws holding the base are stainless; they are screwed into
>> the wood floor of the cabin, the carpet on the cabin floor is a synthetic of
>> some sort. I had a plastic cover on the base for the past year.
>>
>> Is the severe corrosion caused because of the contact between the stainless
>> screws and the (probably) zinc plated table base? If not, what would you
>> suspect to be the cause?
>>
>> Please see the attached photo:
>> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t902/Table_Base_Bottom.jpg>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Long Beach Island
>> --
>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/


From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Thu May 23 11:41:34 2019
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 15:41:34 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Table Base Corrosion
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR05MB539643089591742CEB4DE4EDC1010@BL0PR05MB5396.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1558570241425-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1E35610F-96A0-416B-848E-809BF8946651@stottarchitecture.com>
 <BL0PR02MB4643E98252E01DC45FFC011A80010@BL0PR02MB4643.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>,
 <90E2E8B4-C520-4B5A-9C8C-B6D7D978CE40@stottarchitecture.com>
 <BL0PR05MB539643089591742CEB4DE4EDC1010@BL0PR05MB5396.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BN8PR18MB28334033F75F867C7C933AE9D1010@BN8PR18MB2833.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>

There are a number of styles and types to choose from.  The older boats have a recessed post receiver, not do good in the cockpit as it collects water and bugs.   The newer style is a surface mounted option that does not penetrate the floor or deck.  Voilier Yachts will be posting both options to their parts page so that you can better understand the options.  https://www.voilieryachts.com/shop

[cid:image001.png at 01D5115C.792CF2F0]



Christopher P. Cowie



700 N Fairfax Street

Suite 304

Alexandria, Virginia 22314

703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile

[ccowie at cowieassociates.com]







Please consider the environment before printing this email.



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 11:14 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Table Base Corrosion



I got mine through an RV web site. Let me see if I can find it. rob ________________________________

From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>> on behalf of Richard Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com<mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com>>

Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 11:06:25 AM

To: The Rhodes 22 Email List

Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Table Base Corrosion



Does anyone have a source for better quality table base plates?

If I recall, the majority of those available are a different size/diameter that the posts on our boats.

Ric

sv Dadventure



Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP

www.stottarchitecture.com<http://www.stottarchitecture.com<http://www.stottarchitecture.com%3chttp:/www.stottarchitecture.com>>

Office  631-283-1777

Cell            516-965-3164











> On May 23, 2019, at 10:16 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com<mailto:Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com>> wrote:

>

> Hi All,

>

>

>

> I think the original table bases are chrome plated bronze.  The table base in the photo looks like Zamak, which is an alloy of zinc, aluminum, copper, and magnesium.  Zamak is not rated for salt water service.  Zamak and stainless steel will bimetallic corrode very quickly.  You would have been better off using galvanized fasteners.

>

>

>

> Roger Pihlaja

>

> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

>

>

>

> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for

> Windows 10

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>> on behalf of

> Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com<mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com>>

> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 7:18:04 AM

> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List

> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Table Base Corrosion

>

> It looks like an inexpensive replacement part and not the original. I have purchased these for the cockpit base and they last one season.

> Ric

> Dadventure

> Hampton Bays.

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

>> On May 22, 2019, at 8:10 PM, Chris on LBI <cknell at vt.edu<mailto:cknell at vt.edu>> wrote:

>>

>> I have a question for you experienced owners out there.

>>

>> I installed a brand-new table base (the metal receptacle in the

>> floor) in the cabin at the beginning of last season (June 2018). A

>> few days ago I noticed that it appeared to be very corroded. It began

>> to fall apart as I removed it. The screws holding the base are

>> stainless; they are screwed into the wood floor of the cabin, the

>> carpet on the cabin floor is a synthetic of some sort. I had a plastic cover on the base for the past year.

>>

>> Is the severe corrosion caused because of the contact between the

>> stainless screws and the (probably) zinc plated table base? If not,

>> what would you suspect to be the cause?

>>

>> Please see the attached photo:

>> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t902/Table_Base_Bottom.j

>> pg>

>>

>> Thanks,

>> Chris

>>

>>

>>

>> -----

>> Long Beach Island

>> --

>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/


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From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com  Thu May 23 15:53:11 2019
From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 15:53:11 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Table Base Corrosion
In-Reply-To: <BN8PR18MB28334033F75F867C7C933AE9D1010@BN8PR18MB2833.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1558570241425-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1E35610F-96A0-416B-848E-809BF8946651@stottarchitecture.com>
 <BL0PR02MB4643E98252E01DC45FFC011A80010@BL0PR02MB4643.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <B6346B4B-DC3A-4314-B41A-39610678D819@gmail.com>

Dont buy the cheap zinc RV table bases but instead get a proper marine one in stainless steel.  Its worth every penny.

Bob

> On May 23, 2019, at 11:41 AM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com> wrote:
> 
> There are a number of styles and types to choose from.  The older boats have a recessed post receiver, not do good in the cockpit as it collects water and bugs.   The newer style is a surface mounted option that does not penetrate the floor or deck.  Voilier Yachts will be posting both options to their parts page so that you can better understand the options.  https://www.voilieryachts.com/shop
> 
> [cid:image001.png at 01D5115C.792CF2F0]
> 
> 
> 
> Christopher P. Cowie
> 
> 
> 
> 700 N Fairfax Street
> 
> Suite 304
> 
> Alexandria, Virginia 22314
> 
> 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile
> 
> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob
> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 11:14 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Table Base Corrosion
> 
> 
> 
> I got mine through an RV web site. Let me see if I can find it. rob ________________________________
> 
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>> on behalf of Richard Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com<mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com>>
> 
> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 11:06:25 AM
> 
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> 
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Table Base Corrosion
> 
> 
> 
> Does anyone have a source for better quality table base plates?
> 
> If I recall, the majority of those available are a different size/diameter that the posts on our boats.
> 
> Ric
> 
> sv Dadventure
> 
> 
> 
> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> 
> www.stottarchitecture.com<http://www.stottarchitecture.com<http://www.stottarchitecture.com%3chttp:/www.stottarchitecture.com>>
> 
> Office  631-283-1777
> 
> Cell            516-965-3164
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>> On May 23, 2019, at 10:16 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com<mailto:Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
> 
>> Hi All,
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> I think the original table bases are chrome plated bronze.  The table base in the photo looks like Zamak, which is an alloy of zinc, aluminum, copper, and magnesium.  Zamak is not rated for salt water service.  Zamak and stainless steel will bimetallic corrode very quickly.  You would have been better off using galvanized fasteners.
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
> 
>> 
> 
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> 
>> Windows 10
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> ________________________________
> 
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>> on behalf of
> 
>> Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com<mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com>>
> 
>> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 7:18:04 AM
> 
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> 
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Table Base Corrosion
> 
>> 
> 
>> It looks like an inexpensive replacement part and not the original. I have purchased these for the cockpit base and they last one season.
> 
>> Ric
> 
>> Dadventure
> 
>> Hampton Bays.
> 
>> 
> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> 
> 
>>> On May 22, 2019, at 8:10 PM, Chris on LBI <cknell at vt.edu<mailto:cknell at vt.edu>> wrote:
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> I have a question for you experienced owners out there.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> I installed a brand-new table base (the metal receptacle in the
> 
>>> floor) in the cabin at the beginning of last season (June 2018). A
> 
>>> few days ago I noticed that it appeared to be very corroded. It began
> 
>>> to fall apart as I removed it. The screws holding the base are
> 
>>> stainless; they are screwed into the wood floor of the cabin, the
> 
>>> carpet on the cabin floor is a synthetic of some sort. I had a plastic cover on the base for the past year.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> Is the severe corrosion caused because of the contact between the
> 
>>> stainless screws and the (probably) zinc plated table base? If not,
> 
>>> what would you suspect to be the cause?
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> Please see the attached photo:
> 
>>> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t902/Table_Base_Bottom.j
> 
>>> pg>
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> Thanks,
> 
>>> Chris
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> -----
> 
>>> Long Beach Island
> 
>>> --
> 
>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> 
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From michael.4591 at gmail.com  Fri May 24 11:36:12 2019
From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 11:36:12 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader Bushings
In-Reply-To: <325552934.3546616.1558537209132@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1556314312523-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <CACSd1j+uEL8+FMeOrjzNBX6SVGcByg2UYCCg4Xz9_ryMneBchQ@mail.gmail.com>

Mark,
     Nice looking Rhodes, but then they all are!  Prettiest boat in the
marina.  Ranger is currently in Smithfield; going to move it to Fort Monroe
in June.  You are welcome any time; just give me a days notice.
[image: UNADJUSTEDNONRAW_thumb_bca.jpg]

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 11:00 AM Mark West via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Mike have seen Ranger at factory for service I also live in Hampton Rhds,
> VA beach. Keep my R22 in Hertford NC would like to get up go sailing, get
> some in put how your boat is set up. anyone wanting to go out on our Rhodes
> 22  we sail the upper  Albemarle Sound let me know Mark West  SV Fair wind
> II
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Wed, May 22, 2019 10:07 am
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader Bushings
>
> First place to look for a used Rhodes is with the factory, General Boats in
> Edenton, NC.  Contact Stan at
> stan at generalboats.com
> Keep an eye on the list as owners often list their boat here first.
> I am in Hampton Roads, Virginia if you want to go sailing sometime.  There
> is also an owner in Deltaville, DC area, and Baltimore.  Plenty of Rhodes
> owners sprinkled along the East Coast.
>
> Mike
> S/V Ranger
> 99 Rhodes
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 5:39 PM JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Chris,
> > Rumor (Ted) has it that you may know of used Rhodes 22s for sale
> especially
> > in the Mid Atlantic region.  My wife Emily and I are seriously hot to
> trot!
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
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From Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com  Fri May 24 14:20:51 2019
From: Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 18:20:51 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Has anyone heard from Stan lately?
Message-ID: <DM6PR02MB465165293E77516EB9ACDF2880020@DM6PR02MB4651.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi All,

I ordered a new mainsail traveler from Stan ~6 weeks ago and haven?t heard from him since.  I have reached out to his personal e-mail multiple times with no response.  I?m starting to get a little concerned since it?s been > a month since my check was cashed with no communication.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10


From mike at traildesign.com  Fri May 24 15:02:09 2019
From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 14:02:09 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Has anyone heard from Stan lately?
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR02MB465165293E77516EB9ACDF2880020@DM6PR02MB4651.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR02MB465165293E77516EB9ACDF2880020@DM6PR02MB4651.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAAY+qo-W+w2M1CZyTjh=y8gmoZh2iR95pJgNs0NSZ+szjWHjQw@mail.gmail.com>

I got an email reply from him 2 days ago on stan at rhodes22.com

Michael Riter
President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
mike at traildesign.com
678-410-8021



On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 1:20 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I ordered a new mainsail traveler from Stan ~6 weeks ago and haven?t heard
> from him since.  I have reached out to his personal e-mail multiple times
> with no response.  I?m starting to get a little concerned since it?s been >
> a month since my check was cashed with no communication.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>

From charles.gabriel at gmail.com  Fri May 24 16:10:20 2019
From: charles.gabriel at gmail.com (Charles Gabriel)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 16:10:20 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Has anyone heard from Stan lately?
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR02MB465165293E77516EB9ACDF2880020@DM6PR02MB4651.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR02MB465165293E77516EB9ACDF2880020@DM6PR02MB4651.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CABCtkXW9LKAUApUwcDTA1HvHw2HkEqVzYerUhiHyQUCGPYy1UQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Roger,
I have seen your bar in the plant.
It will ship next week.
Regards,
Charles

On Fri, May 24, 2019, 2:20 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I ordered a new mainsail traveler from Stan ~6 weeks ago and haven?t heard
> from him since.  I have reached out to his personal e-mail multiple times
> with no response.  I?m starting to get a little concerned since it?s been >
> a month since my check was cashed with no communication.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>

From rodellner at mac.com  Fri May 24 17:52:17 2019
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 16:52:17 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Table Base Corrosion
In-Reply-To: <90E2E8B4-C520-4B5A-9C8C-B6D7D978CE40@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <1558570241425-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1E35610F-96A0-416B-848E-809BF8946651@stottarchitecture.com>
 <BL0PR02MB4643E98252E01DC45FFC011A80010@BL0PR02MB4643.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <90E2E8B4-C520-4B5A-9C8C-B6D7D978CE40@stottarchitecture.com>
Message-ID: <FF07C0EA-C71F-4BEF-9BE7-44F6BE42D4F0@mac.com>

West marine or most marine stores. Mine is a seemingly strong plastic type. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 23, 2019, at 10:06 AM, Richard Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have a source for better quality table base plates? 
> If I recall, the majority of those available are a different size/diameter that the posts on our boats. 
> Ric 
> sv Dadventure 
> 
> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
> www.stottarchitecture.com
> Office    631-283-1777
> Cell        516-965-3164 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 23, 2019, at 10:16 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I think the original table bases are chrome plated bronze.  The table base in the photo looks like Zamak, which is an alloy of zinc, aluminum, copper, and magnesium.  Zamak is not rated for salt water service.  Zamak and stainless steel will bimetallic corrode very quickly.  You would have been better off using galvanized fasteners.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> 
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 7:18:04 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Table Base Corrosion
>> 
>> It looks like an inexpensive replacement part and not the original. I have purchased these for the cockpit base and they last one season.
>> Ric
>> Dadventure
>> Hampton Bays.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 22, 2019, at 8:10 PM, Chris on LBI <cknell at vt.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a question for you experienced owners out there.
>>> 
>>> I installed a brand-new table base (the metal receptacle in the floor) in
>>> the cabin at the beginning of last season (June 2018). A few days ago I
>>> noticed that it appeared to be very corroded. It began to fall apart as I
>>> removed it. The screws holding the base are stainless; they are screwed into
>>> the wood floor of the cabin, the carpet on the cabin floor is a synthetic of
>>> some sort. I had a plastic cover on the base for the past year.
>>> 
>>> Is the severe corrosion caused because of the contact between the stainless
>>> screws and the (probably) zinc plated table base? If not, what would you
>>> suspect to be the cause?
>>> 
>>> Please see the attached photo:
>>> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t902/Table_Base_Bottom.jpg>
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Chris
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----
>>> Long Beach Island
>>> --
>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> 


From daysails at aol.com  Sat May 25 10:57:11 2019
From: daysails at aol.com (daysails at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2019 14:57:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Has anyone heard from Stan lately?
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I wouldn't worry.? I ordered a sail months ago and it just arrived.? Deliveries may be a bit slower but Stan is on top of things.? Joe Riley, S/v Second Wind Athens, GA


Original Message-----
From: Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Fri, May 24, 2019 3:02 pm
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Has anyone heard from Stan lately?

I got an email reply from him 2 days ago on stan at rhodes22.com

Michael Riter
President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
mike at traildesign.com
678-410-8021



On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 1:20 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I ordered a new mainsail traveler from Stan ~6 weeks ago and haven?t heard
> from him since.? I have reached out to his personal e-mail multiple times
> with no response.? I?m starting to get a little concerned since it?s been >
> a month since my check was cashed with no communication.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>

From stan at generalboats.com  Sat May 25 17:24:00 2019
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2019 17:24:00 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
Message-ID: <bb3fefda-aafa-855c-2eab-c02a6b4972e0@generalboats.com>


For 50 years Rhodes owners have been our sales force and our board of 
directors.? So before we submit a book size White Paper response to 
Chris Cowie's "new" business, made clear by the following two emails, we 
feel we should give voice to the cooler collective heads of the List, 
before a declaration of war:

"/Hi Chris, /

/Rumor (Ted) has it that you may know of used Rhodes 22s for sale 
especially in the Mid Atlantic region. My wife Emily and I are seriously 
hot to trot! Jeff: Contact me//**//via email - we//**//have several refurbished Rhodes 22 ready to sail."/

If you own, or are thinking of buying a Rhodes, what is happening here truly affect your interests.  Any and all input from the List will be thoughtfully responded to.

thanks for hearing,
stan


From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat May 25 17:40:50 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2019 17:40:50 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
In-Reply-To: <bb3fefda-aafa-855c-2eab-c02a6b4972e0@generalboats.com>
References: <bb3fefda-aafa-855c-2eab-c02a6b4972e0@generalboats.com>
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I was very disappointed with Chris C   It seems to me he crossing a line.
He does not need to do this. Heading to Italy tomorrow to put Enosis in the
water. Then Sicialy and Greece. This is  Stan boat and I?m A Stan Fan!

Chris Geankoplis
Enosis I. (E1)



On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 5:24 PM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:

>
>
> For 50 years Rhodes owners have been our sales force and our board of
>
> directors.  So before we submit a book size White Paper response to
>
> Chris Cowie's "new" business, made clear by the following two emails, we
>
> feel we should give voice to the cooler collective heads of the List,
>
> before a declaration of war:
>
>
>
> "/Hi Chris, /
>
>
>
> /Rumor (Ted) has it that you may know of used Rhodes 22s for sale
>
> especially in the Mid Atlantic region. My wife Emily and I are seriously
>
> hot to trot! Jeff: Contact me//**//via email - we//**//have several
> refurbished Rhodes 22 ready to sail."/
>
>
>
> If you own, or are thinking of buying a Rhodes, what is happening here
> truly affect your interests.  Any and all input from the List will be
> thoughtfully responded to.
>
>
>
> thanks for hearing,
>
> stan
>
>
>
>

From blue66corvette at hotmail.com  Sat May 25 19:17:02 2019
From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2019 23:17:02 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
In-Reply-To: <bb3fefda-aafa-855c-2eab-c02a6b4972e0@generalboats.com>
References: <bb3fefda-aafa-855c-2eab-c02a6b4972e0@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <MWHPR18MB1487316B7C8826FAF3F480DDD9030@MWHPR18MB1487.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>

Stan;
I would normally not make any public comment in a situation such as this, but you have asked. I support what CC is doing and think it actually helps to propel our interests in your invention. You have not provided any evidence of any solid plan for the continuation of the brand. And while your longevity is amazing (but I?m pretty certain you do have an expiration date as the rest of us do, if I?m wrong here I applaud you but could you please share some insight and some evidence) there needs to be some plan for the future. It appears to me that CC is attempting to provide such. He therefore will receive the same support from me that you have. I wish both endeavors all possible success. 


Charles 
98 R 22
s/v DayDreams
Joe Pool Lake, DFW Texas

> On May 25, 2019, at 4:24 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> For 50 years Rhodes owners have been our sales force and our board of directors.  So before we submit a book size White Paper response to Chris Cowie's "new" business, made clear by the following two emails, we feel we should give voice to the cooler collective heads of the List, before a declaration of war:
> 
> "/Hi Chris, /
> 
> /Rumor (Ted) has it that you may know of used Rhodes 22s for sale especially in the Mid Atlantic region. My wife Emily and I are seriously hot to trot! Jeff: Contact me//**//via email - we//**//have several refurbished Rhodes 22 ready to sail."/
> 
> If you own, or are thinking of buying a Rhodes, what is happening here truly affect your interests.  Any and all input from the List will be thoughtfully responded to.
> 
> thanks for hearing,
> stan
> 

From sprocket80 at mail.com  Sat May 25 22:28:21 2019
From: sprocket80 at mail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2019 04:28:21 +0200
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR18MB1487316B7C8826FAF3F480DDD9030@MWHPR18MB1487.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
References: <bb3fefda-aafa-855c-2eab-c02a6b4972e0@generalboats.com>
 <MWHPR18MB1487316B7C8826FAF3F480DDD9030@MWHPR18MB1487.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <trinity-67079e0a-238a-4e2f-a836-9dcdaaf83f55-1558837701541@3c-app-mailcom-lxa13>

I've been on the list probably longer than most. The new admins keep bouncing my emails saying my freebie email must be sent as plain text instead HTML. I hope this email gets through, because I can't stand Nabble.

I'm a nice guy most of the time but I can be quite abrasive at times...just ask Roger P (welcome back BTW). And this email will probably cost me a few friends here too but I don't care . My 2 cents; which is more vinegar than sugar:

I first got on list before we left Sailnet and MJM started this list for us Rhodies, so I've been here since before the beginning. Early on I bumped heads with Stan and got grilled by a few of the hardcore Rhodies...especially Rummy (may he rest in peace). I went off because of Stan's reluctance to stop the production line to field my calls and parts requests. Stan made a comment to the effect of 'I'm not in the parts business so go talk to the guy you bought the boat from. Why should I stop trying to make money to help out someone who has never put one dime in my pocket?' This is partly the genesis for the Certificate of Support program.
I had never dealt with a struggling "one-off" organization before, but I eventually understood the mindset and now I have to step up and defend Stan.
I'm sure he'd love to sell his business and finally retire...before he turns 100 or reaches his "expiration date". I thought about making him this offer--- I wouldn't buy his business or infuse any cash. But I could drive down to Edenton bimonthly or so and tell him how to run the business better, in exchange for him giving me the business and property in his Will or something like that. Unfortunately though...somebody had already made him that offer.

CC's endeavor is his own and I wish him luck. But Charles's supportive email and choice of phrases are ironic. I'm at a loss to understand how a directly competing business, especially one advertising HERE, is supposed to put one dime in Stan's pocket?  Is that how you perpetuate a brand? b Competing and taking business by soliciting to the list members who've supported Stan for so long? I'll stop just short of saying this is Stan's list, but we started it to drive interest in the Rhodes 22 and we've promoted General Boats with some success.  CC's business may certainly propel OUR interests in (your) Stan's invention" but it is certainly not a faithful "continuation of the brand"?

I'm sorry if this offends anyone, and I don't want to make enemy of Chris or Charles, but this is not the place to be asking for or looking for support to cripple the struggling business of the aged Admiral of our fleet.
?
?Todd Tavares (Todd T.)

 





Sent:?Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 7:17 PM
From:?"Charles Nieman" <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
To:?"The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject:?Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
Stan;
I would normally not make any public comment in a situation such as this, but you have asked. I support what CC is doing and think it actually helps to propel our interests in your invention. You have not provided any evidence of any solid plan for the continuation of the brand. And while your longevity is amazing (but I?m pretty certain you do have an expiration date as the rest of us do, if I?m wrong here I applaud you but could you please share some insight and some evidence) there needs to be some plan for the future. It appears to me that CC is attempting to provide such. He therefore will receive the same support from me that you have. I wish both endeavors all possible success.


Charles
98 R 22
s/v DayDreams
Joe Pool Lake, DFW Texas

> On May 25, 2019, at 4:24 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>
>
> For 50 years Rhodes owners have been our sales force and our board of directors. So before we submit a book size White Paper response to Chris Cowie's "new" business, made clear by the following two emails, we feel we should give voice to the cooler collective heads of the List, before a declaration of war:
>
> "/Hi Chris, /
>
> /Rumor (Ted) has it that you may know of used Rhodes 22s for sale especially in the Mid Atlantic region. My wife Emily and I are seriously hot to trot! Jeff: Contact me//**//via email - we//**//have several refurbished Rhodes 22 ready to sail."/
>
> If you own, or are thinking of buying a Rhodes, what is happening here truly affect your interests. Any and all input from the List will be thoughtfully responded to.
>
> thanks for hearing,
> stan
>

From blue66corvette at hotmail.com  Sat May 25 22:50:56 2019
From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2019 02:50:56 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
In-Reply-To: <trinity-67079e0a-238a-4e2f-a836-9dcdaaf83f55-1558837701541@3c-app-mailcom-lxa13>
References: <bb3fefda-aafa-855c-2eab-c02a6b4972e0@generalboats.com>
 <MWHPR18MB1487316B7C8826FAF3F480DDD9030@MWHPR18MB1487.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>,
 <trinity-67079e0a-238a-4e2f-a836-9dcdaaf83f55-1558837701541@3c-app-mailcom-lxa13>
Message-ID: <MWHPR18MB1487E3DB55E19F2F4E639E05D91C0@MWHPR18MB1487.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>

Todd T
No new enemy here, just a slight difference of perspective 

Thanks for sharing your thoughts 

Sent from my iPhone

Charles 

> On May 25, 2019, at 9:28 PM, Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com> wrote:
> 
> I've been on the list probably longer than most. The new admins keep bouncing my emails saying my freebie email must be sent as plain text instead HTML. I hope this email gets through, because I can't stand Nabble.
> 
> I'm a nice guy most of the time but I can be quite abrasive at times...just ask Roger P (welcome back BTW). And this email will probably cost me a few friends here too but I don't care . My 2 cents; which is more vinegar than sugar:
> 
> I first got on list before we left Sailnet and MJM started this list for us Rhodies, so I've been here since before the beginning. Early on I bumped heads with Stan and got grilled by a few of the hardcore Rhodies...especially Rummy (may he rest in peace). I went off because of Stan's reluctance to stop the production line to field my calls and parts requests. Stan made a comment to the effect of 'I'm not in the parts business so go talk to the guy you bought the boat from. Why should I stop trying to make money to help out someone who has never put one dime in my pocket?' This is partly the genesis for the Certificate of Support program.
> I had never dealt with a struggling "one-off" organization before, but I eventually understood the mindset and now I have to step up and defend Stan.
> I'm sure he'd love to sell his business and finally retire...before he turns 100 or reaches his "expiration date". I thought about making him this offer--- I wouldn't buy his business or infuse any cash. But I could drive down to Edenton bimonthly or so and tell him how to run the business better, in exchange for him giving me the business and property in his Will or something like that. Unfortunately though...somebody had already made him that offer.
> 
> CC's endeavor is his own and I wish him luck. But Charles's supportive email and choice of phrases are ironic. I'm at a loss to understand how a directly competing business, especially one advertising HERE, is supposed to put one dime in Stan's pocket?  Is that how you perpetuate a brand? b Competing and taking business by soliciting to the list members who've supported Stan for so long? I'll stop just short of saying this is Stan's list, but we started it to drive interest in the Rhodes 22 and we've promoted General Boats with some success.  CC's business may certainly propel OUR interests in (your) Stan's invention" but it is certainly not a faithful "continuation of the brand"?
> 
> I'm sorry if this offends anyone, and I don't want to make enemy of Chris or Charles, but this is not the place to be asking for or looking for support to cripple the struggling business of the aged Admiral of our fleet.
>  
>  Todd Tavares (Todd T.)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 7:17 PM
> From: "Charles Nieman" <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
> Stan;
> I would normally not make any public comment in a situation such as this, but you have asked. I support what CC is doing and think it actually helps to propel our interests in your invention. You have not provided any evidence of any solid plan for the continuation of the brand. And while your longevity is amazing (but I?m pretty certain you do have an expiration date as the rest of us do, if I?m wrong here I applaud you but could you please share some insight and some evidence) there needs to be some plan for the future. It appears to me that CC is attempting to provide such. He therefore will receive the same support from me that you have. I wish both endeavors all possible success.
> 
> 
> Charles
> 98 R 22
> s/v DayDreams
> Joe Pool Lake, DFW Texas
> 
>> On May 25, 2019, at 4:24 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> For 50 years Rhodes owners have been our sales force and our board of directors. So before we submit a book size White Paper response to Chris Cowie's "new" business, made clear by the following two emails, we feel we should give voice to the cooler collective heads of the List, before a declaration of war:
>> 
>> "/Hi Chris, /
>> 
>> /Rumor (Ted) has it that you may know of used Rhodes 22s for sale especially in the Mid Atlantic region. My wife Emily and I are seriously hot to trot! Jeff: Contact me//**//via email - we//**//have several refurbished Rhodes 22 ready to sail."/
>> 
>> If you own, or are thinking of buying a Rhodes, what is happening here truly affect your interests. Any and all input from the List will be thoughtfully responded to.
>> 
>> thanks for hearing,
>> stan
>> 

From luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com  Sun May 26 08:29:37 2019
From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com (luis.guzman.ve)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2019 08:29:37 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
In-Reply-To: <trinity-67079e0a-238a-4e2f-a836-9dcdaaf83f55-1558837701541@3c-app-mailcom-lxa13>
Message-ID: <5cea86b3.1c69fb81.76b1b.289c@mx.google.com>

If CC is interested in the business, maybe he should move to Edenton and join Stan and help him propel the business instead of competing with it.Luis GuzmanS/V AquetxaliSent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
-------- Original message --------From: Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com> Date: 5/25/19  10:28 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds I've been on the list probably longer than most. The new admins keep bouncing my emails saying my freebie email must be sent as plain text instead HTML. I hope this email gets through, because I can't stand Nabble.I'm a nice guy most of the time but I can be quite abrasive at times...just ask Roger P (welcome back BTW). And this email will probably cost me a few friends here too but I don't care . My 2 cents; which is more vinegar than sugar:I first got on list before we left Sailnet and MJM started this list for us Rhodies, so I've been here since before the beginning. Early on I bumped heads with Stan and got grilled by a few of the hardcore Rhodies...especially Rummy (may he rest in peace). I went off because of Stan's reluctance to stop the production line to field my calls and parts requests. Stan made a comment to the effect of 'I'm not in the parts business so go talk to the guy you bought the boat from. Why should I stop trying to make money to help out someone who has never put one dime in my pocket?' This is partly the genesis for the Certificate of Support program.I had never dealt with a struggling "one-off" organization before, but I eventually understood the mindset and now I have to step up and defend Stan.I'm sure he'd love to sell his business and finally retire...before he turns 100 or reaches his "expiration date". I thought about making him this offer--- I wouldn't buy his business or infuse any cash. But I could drive down to Edenton bimonthly or so and tell him how to run the business better, in exchange for him giving me the business and property in his Will or something like that. Unfortunately though...somebody had already made him that offer.CC's endeavor is his own and I wish him luck. But Charles's supportive email and choice of phrases are ironic. I'm at a loss to understand how a directly competing business, especially one advertising HERE, is supposed to put one dime in Stan's pocket?? Is that how you perpetuate a brand? b Competing and taking business by soliciting to the list members who've supported Stan for so long? I'll stop just short of saying this is Stan's list, but we started it to drive interest in the Rhodes 22 and we've promoted General Boats with some success.? CC's business may certainly propel OUR interests in (your) Stan's invention" but it is certainly not a faithful "continuation of the brand"?I'm sorry if this offends anyone, and I don't want to make enemy of Chris or Charles, but this is not the place to be asking for or looking for support to cripple the struggling business of the aged Admiral of our fleet.??Todd Tavares (Todd T.) Sent:?Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 7:17 PMFrom:?"Charles Nieman" <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>To:?"The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject:?Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm cloudsStan;I would normally not make any public comment in a situation such as this, but you have asked. I support what CC is doing and think it actually helps to propel our interests in your invention. You have not provided any evidence of any solid plan for the continuation of the brand. And while your longevity is amazing (but I?m pretty certain you do have an expiration date as the rest of us do, if I?m wrong here I applaud you but could you please share some insight and some evidence) there needs to be some plan for the future. It appears to me that CC is attempting to provide such. He therefore will receive the same support from me that you have. I wish both endeavors all possible success.Charles98 R 22s/v DayDreamsJoe Pool Lake, DFW Texas> On May 25, 2019, at 4:24 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:>>> For 50 years Rhodes owners have been our sales force and our board of directors. So before we submit a book size White Paper response to Chris Cowie's "new" business, made clear by the following two emails, we feel we should give voice to the cooler collective heads of the List, before a declaration of war:>> "/Hi Chris, />> /Rumor (Ted) has it that you may know of used Rhodes 22s for sale especially in the Mid Atlantic region. My wife Emily and I are seriously hot to trot! Jeff: Contact me//**//via email - we//**//have several refurbished Rhodes 22 ready to sail."/>> If you own, or are thinking of buying a Rhodes, what is happening here truly affect your interests. Any and all input from the List will be thoughtfully responded to.>> thanks for hearing,> stan>

From mjm at michaelmeltzer.com  Sun May 26 08:51:02 2019
From: mjm at michaelmeltzer.com (michael meltzer)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2019 07:51:02 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
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References: <bb3fefda-aafa-855c-2eab-c02a6b4972e0@generalboats.com>
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Considering my bottom painting just got rained out. What going on here?
Anyone have a summary (no axes to grind please), been following but not
understanding

On Sat, May 25, 2019, 9:28 PM Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com> wrote:

> I've been on the list probably longer than most. The new admins keep
> bouncing my emails saying my freebie email must be sent as plain text
> instead HTML. I hope this email gets through, because I can't stand Nabble.
>
> I'm a nice guy most of the time but I can be quite abrasive at
> times...just ask Roger P (welcome back BTW). And this email will probably
> cost me a few friends here too but I don't care . My 2 cents; which is more
> vinegar than sugar:
>
> I first got on list before we left Sailnet and MJM started this list for
> us Rhodies, so I've been here since before the beginning. Early on I bumped
> heads with Stan and got grilled by a few of the hardcore
> Rhodies...especially Rummy (may he rest in peace). I went off because of
> Stan's reluctance to stop the production line to field my calls and parts
> requests. Stan made a comment to the effect of 'I'm not in the parts
> business so go talk to the guy you bought the boat from. Why should I stop
> trying to make money to help out someone who has never put one dime in my
> pocket?' This is partly the genesis for the Certificate of Support program.
> I had never dealt with a struggling "one-off" organization before, but I
> eventually understood the mindset and now I have to step up and defend Stan.
> I'm sure he'd love to sell his business and finally retire...before he
> turns 100 or reaches his "expiration date". I thought about making him this
> offer--- I wouldn't buy his business or infuse any cash. But I could drive
> down to Edenton bimonthly or so and tell him how to run the business
> better, in exchange for him giving me the business and property in his Will
> or something like that. Unfortunately though...somebody had already made
> him that offer.
>
> CC's endeavor is his own and I wish him luck. But Charles's supportive
> email and choice of phrases are ironic. I'm at a loss to understand how a
> directly competing business, especially one advertising HERE, is supposed
> to put one dime in Stan's pocket?  Is that how you perpetuate a brand? b
> Competing and taking business by soliciting to the list members who've
> supported Stan for so long? I'll stop just short of saying this is Stan's
> list, but we started it to drive interest in the Rhodes 22 and we've
> promoted General Boats with some success.  CC's business may certainly
> propel OUR interests in (your) Stan's invention" but it is certainly not a
> faithful "continuation of the brand"?
>
> I'm sorry if this offends anyone, and I don't want to make enemy of Chris
> or Charles, but this is not the place to be asking for or looking for
> support to cripple the struggling business of the aged Admiral of our fleet.
>
>  Todd Tavares (Todd T.)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 7:17 PM
> From: "Charles Nieman" <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
> Stan;
> I would normally not make any public comment in a situation such as this,
> but you have asked. I support what CC is doing and think it actually helps
> to propel our interests in your invention. You have not provided any
> evidence of any solid plan for the continuation of the brand. And while
> your longevity is amazing (but I?m pretty certain you do have an expiration
> date as the rest of us do, if I?m wrong here I applaud you but could you
> please share some insight and some evidence) there needs to be some plan
> for the future. It appears to me that CC is attempting to provide such. He
> therefore will receive the same support from me that you have. I wish both
> endeavors all possible success.
>
>
> Charles
> 98 R 22
> s/v DayDreams
> Joe Pool Lake, DFW Texas
>
> > On May 25, 2019, at 4:24 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > For 50 years Rhodes owners have been our sales force and our board of
> directors. So before we submit a book size White Paper response to Chris
> Cowie's "new" business, made clear by the following two emails, we feel we
> should give voice to the cooler collective heads of the List, before a
> declaration of war:
> >
> > "/Hi Chris, /
> >
> > /Rumor (Ted) has it that you may know of used Rhodes 22s for sale
> especially in the Mid Atlantic region. My wife Emily and I are seriously
> hot to trot! Jeff: Contact me//**//via email - we//**//have several
> refurbished Rhodes 22 ready to sail."/
> >
> > If you own, or are thinking of buying a Rhodes, what is happening here
> truly affect your interests. Any and all input from the List will be
> thoughtfully responded to.
> >
> > thanks for hearing,
> > stan
> >
>

From gfelix1 at gmail.com  Sun May 26 13:00:17 2019
From: gfelix1 at gmail.com (Gary Felix)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2019 13:00:17 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Motor Link for Yamaha 9.9
Message-ID: <CAC+VP6oND+1u8Be9n1=QgebGaHAwE8LjAk8djsjoGXE1gOyA8Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

I am the new owner of a 2010 Rhodes 22. This list is a great resource! The
archive certainly helped answered many of my pre-purchase questions. I have
not yet launched while I wait for my boat lift to be reconfigured for the
R22.

My boat included the tiller-motor link and has the Yamaha 9.9, model
T9.9GEXH. I don't believe that the motor cowling has the setup to attach
the motor end of the linkage. One of the attached pictures that I found
from an archived post shows the linkage installed with a 9.9. I don't think
I have the correct fitting for the motor end of the arm.  Also, if the arm
is meant to attach to the top of the cowling, you can see from the one of
the attached pictures that they are at different heights. In this picture,
my motor is in the fully lowered position on the lift.

I also have a related question - Is this motor at the proper height for the
boat? See the attached picture. The motor is prevented from lowering
further by a plastic block in the lift track. The motor could be lowered
quite a bit more if that block is removed. I've read that the motor's
anti-cavitation plate should be slightly below the waterline, so maybe my
setup is correct?

Thanks for any help,
Gary Felix
Panacea, FL
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From gfelix1 at gmail.com  Sun May 26 13:04:09 2019
From: gfelix1 at gmail.com (Gary Felix)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2019 13:04:09 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Motor Link for Yamaha 9.9
In-Reply-To: <CAC+VP6oND+1u8Be9n1=QgebGaHAwE8LjAk8djsjoGXE1gOyA8Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC+VP6oND+1u8Be9n1=QgebGaHAwE8LjAk8djsjoGXE1gOyA8Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAC+VP6qvWjpMeGVjTjgEHS+3bizYO0PzHK-86AhYTD85eZVsTQ@mail.gmail.com>

Forgot the image showing motor height related to waterline.


On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 1:00 PM Gary Felix <gfelix1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I am the new owner of a 2010 Rhodes 22. This list is a great resource! The
> archive certainly helped answered many of my pre-purchase questions. I have
> not yet launched while I wait for my boat lift to be reconfigured for the
> R22.
>
> My boat included the tiller-motor link and has the Yamaha 9.9, model
> T9.9GEXH. I don't believe that the motor cowling has the setup to attach
> the motor end of the linkage. One of the attached pictures that I found
> from an archived post shows the linkage installed with a 9.9. I don't think
> I have the correct fitting for the motor end of the arm.  Also, if the arm
> is meant to attach to the top of the cowling, you can see from the one of
> the attached pictures that they are at different heights. In this picture,
> my motor is in the fully lowered position on the lift.
>
> I also have a related question - Is this motor at the proper height for
> the boat? See the attached picture. The motor is prevented from lowering
> further by a plastic block in the lift track. The motor could be lowered
> quite a bit more if that block is removed. I've read that the motor's
> anti-cavitation plate should be slightly below the waterline, so maybe my
> setup is correct?
>
> Thanks for any help,
> Gary Felix
> Panacea, FL
>
>

From jose.faraldo at gmail.com  Sun May 26 13:24:23 2019
From: jose.faraldo at gmail.com (Jose Faraldo-Gomez)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2019 13:24:23 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Motor Link for Yamaha 9.9
In-Reply-To: <CAC+VP6oND+1u8Be9n1=QgebGaHAwE8LjAk8djsjoGXE1gOyA8Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC+VP6oND+1u8Be9n1=QgebGaHAwE8LjAk8djsjoGXE1gOyA8Q@mail.gmail.com>
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This is the fitting you seem to be missing. 

J

> On May 26, 2019, at 1:00 PM, Gary Felix <gfelix1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I am the new owner of a 2010 Rhodes 22. This list is a great resource! The
> archive certainly helped answered many of my pre-purchase questions. I have
> not yet launched while I wait for my boat lift to be reconfigured for the
> R22.
> 
> My boat included the tiller-motor link and has the Yamaha 9.9, model
> T9.9GEXH. I don't believe that the motor cowling has the setup to attach
> the motor end of the linkage. One of the attached pictures that I found
> from an archived post shows the linkage installed with a 9.9. I don't think
> I have the correct fitting for the motor end of the arm.  Also, if the arm
> is meant to attach to the top of the cowling, you can see from the one of
> the attached pictures that they are at different heights. In this picture,
> my motor is in the fully lowered position on the lift.
> 
> I also have a related question - Is this motor at the proper height for the
> boat? See the attached picture. The motor is prevented from lowering
> further by a plastic block in the lift track. The motor could be lowered
> quite a bit more if that block is removed. I've read that the motor's
> anti-cavitation plate should be slightly below the waterline, so maybe my
> setup is correct?
> 
> Thanks for any help,
> Gary Felix
> Panacea, FL
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From gfelix1 at gmail.com  Sun May 26 13:39:36 2019
From: gfelix1 at gmail.com (Gary Felix)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2019 13:39:36 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Motor Link for Yamaha 9.9
In-Reply-To: <54650383-D64A-47E2-9C45-FC99288EAE50@gmail.com>
References: <CAC+VP6oND+1u8Be9n1=QgebGaHAwE8LjAk8djsjoGXE1gOyA8Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <54650383-D64A-47E2-9C45-FC99288EAE50@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAC+VP6oTn476QirXO5esouMBGNWbDEj-TPBOdrt2-cE9m4AzOA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Jose - just what I needed to know! I will get in touch with General
Boats.

On Sun, May 26, 2019, 1:24 PM Jose Faraldo-Gomez <jose.faraldo at gmail.com>
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> J
>
>

From Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com  Sun May 26 14:17:46 2019
From: Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2019 18:17:46 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] GB Outboard Motor Mount and Engine Position
In-Reply-To: <CAC+VP6oTn476QirXO5esouMBGNWbDEj-TPBOdrt2-cE9m4AzOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC+VP6oND+1u8Be9n1=QgebGaHAwE8LjAk8djsjoGXE1gOyA8Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <54650383-D64A-47E2-9C45-FC99288EAE50@gmail.com>,
 <CAC+VP6oTn476QirXO5esouMBGNWbDEj-TPBOdrt2-cE9m4AzOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BL0PR02MB46438874F6968942EF93EE4C801C0@BL0PR02MB4643.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Gary,

The attached photo shows the Honda 8.0 hp extra long shaft outboard on S/V Dynamic Equilibrium in the fully lowered position.  Note, how far below the waterline the cavitation plate on the motor ends up.  Transom mounted outboards on the standard parallelogram linkage motor mounts suffer from the problem of lifting the outboards water intake and prop too close to the surface of the water as the stern is lifted by waves or the hull heels to starboard.  Sucking air into the engine?s cooling system &/or cavitating the prop are both very bad for the motor.  The GB engine mount helps solve these issues in two ways.  First, the GB engine mount positions the engine closer to the transom vs parallelogram linkage engine mounts.  This locates the engine?s lower unit in deeper water on the stern wave.  Second, the GB engine mount permits the vertical position of the engine to be infinitely adjusted several inches up and down.  On port tack, the engine can be fully lowered to compensate for heeling, as illustrated in the photo.  On starboard tack or in a following sea on a broad reach or run, the engine can be raised up as required to keep the power head out of the water.  The GB engine mount combined with an extra long shaft outboard gives the greatest heavy weather motoring capability available with currently available outboards.  Being able to motorsail in heavy weather is a huge tactical advantage.

I?ve been running my outboard in this configuration since 2009.  I have experienced no issues with leaking or failed seals, bearings, &/or exhaust back pressure which might be expected from deeper than normal submersion.

As long as there is a mechanical stop on the bottom of the track, remove any spacers that are limiting the downward travel on the GB motor mount.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

[cid:059FE252-6CA8-49FB-BB3F-0162881ADD2E]

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Gary Felix<mailto:gfelix1 at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 1:39 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Motor Link for Yamaha 9.9

Thanks Jose - just what I needed to know! I will get in touch with General
Boats.

On Sun, May 26, 2019, 1:24 PM Jose Faraldo-Gomez <jose.faraldo at gmail.com>
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From a_czerwonky at yahoo.com  Sun May 26 16:43:38 2019
From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2019 20:43:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
In-Reply-To: <CAH-6moRzxHYFbY_J6Wvg6Lr2+Hi_GcRQteGGj+mAyRvHRO0keg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bb3fefda-aafa-855c-2eab-c02a6b4972e0@generalboats.com>
 <MWHPR18MB1487316B7C8826FAF3F480DDD9030@MWHPR18MB1487.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
 <trinity-67079e0a-238a-4e2f-a836-9dcdaaf83f55-1558837701541@3c-app-mailcom-lxa13>
 <CAH-6moRzxHYFbY_J6Wvg6Lr2+Hi_GcRQteGGj+mAyRvHRO0keg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <815773674.4236672.1558903418465@mail.yahoo.com>

It is probably an opportune time for me to get into the fray.?
I cannot imagine the sale of GB to anyone under any circumstances, fellow skippers, no discredit to anyone.? I suspect the business will pass to Stan's daughter through his will. My suggestion would be to drive to B'more and see if you want to be her business partner.? You may find she has little intention of becoming the CEO, therefore creating this option.
Remember that time flies.
Art Czerwonkys/v MaryJane (soon available)

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 8:51 AM, michael meltzer<mjm at michaelmeltzer.com> wrote:   Considering my bottom painting just got rained out. What going on here?
Anyone have a summary (no axes to grind please), been following but not
understanding

On Sat, May 25, 2019, 9:28 PM Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com> wrote:

> I've been on the list probably longer than most. The new admins keep
> bouncing my emails saying my freebie email must be sent as plain text
> instead HTML. I hope this email gets through, because I can't stand Nabble.
>
> I'm a nice guy most of the time but I can be quite abrasive at
> times...just ask Roger P (welcome back BTW). And this email will probably
> cost me a few friends here too but I don't care . My 2 cents; which is more
> vinegar than sugar:
>
> I first got on list before we left Sailnet and MJM started this list for
> us Rhodies, so I've been here since before the beginning. Early on I bumped
> heads with Stan and got grilled by a few of the hardcore
> Rhodies...especially Rummy (may he rest in peace). I went off because of
> Stan's reluctance to stop the production line to field my calls and parts
> requests. Stan made a comment to the effect of 'I'm not in the parts
> business so go talk to the guy you bought the boat from. Why should I stop
> trying to make money to help out someone who has never put one dime in my
> pocket?' This is partly the genesis for the Certificate of Support program.
> I had never dealt with a struggling "one-off" organization before, but I
> eventually understood the mindset and now I have to step up and defend Stan.
> I'm sure he'd love to sell his business and finally retire...before he
> turns 100 or reaches his "expiration date". I thought about making him this
> offer--- I wouldn't buy his business or infuse any cash. But I could drive
> down to Edenton bimonthly or so and tell him how to run the business
> better, in exchange for him giving me the business and property in his Will
> or something like that. Unfortunately though...somebody had already made
> him that offer.
>
> CC's endeavor is his own and I wish him luck. But Charles's supportive
> email and choice of phrases are ironic. I'm at a loss to understand how a
> directly competing business, especially one advertising HERE, is supposed
> to put one dime in Stan's pocket?? Is that how you perpetuate a brand? b
> Competing and taking business by soliciting to the list members who've
> supported Stan for so long? I'll stop just short of saying this is Stan's
> list, but we started it to drive interest in the Rhodes 22 and we've
> promoted General Boats with some success.? CC's business may certainly
> propel OUR interests in (your) Stan's invention" but it is certainly not a
> faithful "continuation of the brand"?
>
> I'm sorry if this offends anyone, and I don't want to make enemy of Chris
> or Charles, but this is not the place to be asking for or looking for
> support to cripple the struggling business of the aged Admiral of our fleet.
>
>? Todd Tavares (Todd T.)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 7:17 PM
> From: "Charles Nieman" <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
> Stan;
> I would normally not make any public comment in a situation such as this,
> but you have asked. I support what CC is doing and think it actually helps
> to propel our interests in your invention. You have not provided any
> evidence of any solid plan for the continuation of the brand. And while
> your longevity is amazing (but I?m pretty certain you do have an expiration
> date as the rest of us do, if I?m wrong here I applaud you but could you
> please share some insight and some evidence) there needs to be some plan
> for the future. It appears to me that CC is attempting to provide such. He
> therefore will receive the same support from me that you have. I wish both
> endeavors all possible success.
>
>
> Charles
> 98 R 22
> s/v DayDreams
> Joe Pool Lake, DFW Texas
>
> > On May 25, 2019, at 4:24 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > For 50 years Rhodes owners have been our sales force and our board of
> directors. So before we submit a book size White Paper response to Chris
> Cowie's "new" business, made clear by the following two emails, we feel we
> should give voice to the cooler collective heads of the List, before a
> declaration of war:
> >
> > "/Hi Chris, /
> >
> > /Rumor (Ted) has it that you may know of used Rhodes 22s for sale
> especially in the Mid Atlantic region. My wife Emily and I are seriously
> hot to trot! Jeff: Contact me//**//via email - we//**//have several
> refurbished Rhodes 22 ready to sail."/
> >
> > If you own, or are thinking of buying a Rhodes, what is happening here
> truly affect your interests. Any and all input from the List will be
> thoughtfully responded to.
> >
> > thanks for hearing,
> > stan
> >
>  

From daysails at aol.com  Mon May 27 07:45:06 2019
From: daysails at aol.com (daysails at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2019 11:45:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
References: <880662146.4416191.1558957506345.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <880662146.4416191.1558957506345@mail.yahoo.com>

Safe journey Chris G. ?Keep us posted on sailing a Rhodes 22 ?beyond the eastern Baths?. Joe Riley S/V Second Wind, ?Athens GA


-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Sat, May 25, 2019 05:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds


I was very disappointed with Chris C? It seems to me he crossing a line.
He does not need to do this. Heading to Italy tomorrow to put Enosis in the
water. Then Sicialy and Greece. This is? Stan boat and I?m A Stan Fan!

Chris Geankoplis
Enosis I. (E1)



On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 5:24 PM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:

>
>
> For 50 years Rhodes owners have been our sales force and our board of
>
> directors.? So before we submit a book size White Paper response to
>
> Chris Cowie's "new" business, made clear by the following two emails, we
>
> feel we should give voice to the cooler collective heads of the List,
>
> before a declaration of war:
>
>
>
> "/Hi Chris, /
>
>
>
> /Rumor (Ted) has it that you may know of used Rhodes 22s for sale
>
> especially in the Mid Atlantic region. My wife Emily and I are seriously
>
> hot to trot! Jeff: Contact me//**//via email - we//**//have several
> refurbished Rhodes 22 ready to sail."/
>
>
>
> If you own, or are thinking of buying a Rhodes, what is happening here
> truly affect your interests.? Any and all input from the List will be
> thoughtfully responded to.
>
>
>
> thanks for hearing,
>
> stan
>
>
>
>

From gfelix1 at gmail.com  Mon May 27 16:31:34 2019
From: gfelix1 at gmail.com (Gary Felix)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2019 16:31:34 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] GB Outboard Motor Mount and Engine Position
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR02MB46438874F6968942EF93EE4C801C0@BL0PR02MB4643.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAC+VP6oND+1u8Be9n1=QgebGaHAwE8LjAk8djsjoGXE1gOyA8Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <54650383-D64A-47E2-9C45-FC99288EAE50@gmail.com>
 <CAC+VP6oTn476QirXO5esouMBGNWbDEj-TPBOdrt2-cE9m4AzOA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAC+VP6qW1SQ-1GjXLf5G-XfVDXatYm2FVzHJavZV0bv04kksFg@mail.gmail.com>

Very helpful, thanks Roger.
- Gary

On Sun, May 26, 2019, 2:17 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Gary,
>
> The attached photo shows the Honda 8.0 hp extra long shaft outboard on S/V
> Dynamic Equilibrium in the fully lowered position.  Note, how far below the
> waterline the cavitation plate on the motor ends up.  Transom mounted
> outboards on the standard parallelogram linkage motor mounts suffer from
> the problem of lifting the outboards water intake and prop too close to the
> surface of the water as the stern is lifted by waves or the hull heels to
> starboard.  Sucking air into the engine?s cooling system &/or cavitating
> the prop are both very bad for the motor.  The GB engine mount helps solve
> these issues in two ways.  First, the GB engine mount positions the engine
> closer to the transom vs parallelogram linkage engine mounts.  This locates
> the engine?s lower unit in deeper water on the stern wave.  Second, the GB
> engine mount permits the vertical position of the engine to be infinitely
> adjusted several inches up and down.  On port tack, the engine can be fully
> lowered to compensate for heeling, as illustrated in the photo.  On
> starboard tack or in a following sea on a broad reach or run, the engine
> can be raised up as required to keep the power head out of the water.  The
> GB engine mount combined with an extra long shaft outboard gives the
> greatest heavy weather motoring capability available with currently
> available outboards.  Being able to motorsail in heavy weather is a huge
> tactical advantage.
>
> I?ve been running my outboard in this configuration since 2009.  I have
> experienced no issues with leaking or failed seals, bearings, &/or exhaust
> back pressure which might be expected from deeper than normal submersion.
>
> As long as there is a mechanical stop on the bottom of the track, remove
> any spacers that are limiting the downward travel on the GB motor mount.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> [cid:059FE252-6CA8-49FB-BB3F-0162881ADD2E]
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
> From: Gary Felix<mailto:gfelix1 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 1:39 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller-Motor Link for Yamaha 9.9
>
> Thanks Jose - just what I needed to know! I will get in touch with General
> Boats.
>
> On Sun, May 26, 2019, 1:24 PM Jose Faraldo-Gomez <jose.faraldo at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
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From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com  Tue May 28 11:29:33 2019
From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2019 11:29:33 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
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$ 0.02 from Florida
I really think all of this talk is in poor taste.  Stan is very much alive and still active CEO of a great boat company.
Life constantly reminds me that no one is guaranteed tomorrow.
My motto is ?treat everyone like its your last day and theirs!?
  I am an active certificate of support member having paid my penalty/membership to Stan who graciously allowed me to give him money after buying my boat from a sailboat graveyard in Georgia.  
When i needed a replacement hatch i couldnt get one without driving to the factory as it was too large to ship.  But as serendpity would have it, i bought another failing vessel with a functioning hatch before i made the drive.
  Now we all wish there was a website where we could order parts to keep things operational right!!!???
... but Stan being a capitalist in the full sense of the word (despite claiming to be a socialist lol) decided it best to let the boats age out and be repurchased for recycling.  Its a brilliant idea especially considering GB was only a ?one design? company (i know there was a prototype).  Also in His defense he does occasionally fill and ship an order for soft and small parts.
This business tactic probably profited the same as a parts store.
Competition has arrived...it is inevitable. Competitors in the same market often dont do well so i cant see that there is much money in this endeavor so be not dismayed.  Another issue is the fate of the abandoned R22?s that have the thick heavy hulls that are not suitable for the recycling program.  I love all boats and hate to see them go to the dump.
But all of this rambling brings me to my next statement to Stan....if you are still reading.

Stan! Keep eating organic and live to be 120!!  
Lets redesign the keel into a ballasted diamond board and put a rudderpost in the cockpit drain area and mount a 30-40 hp honda on the midline and show MacGregor that your power sailer is superior to his 26  and looks much better!  It would sell like hotcakes and sail like an R22!  After all that WAS your idea!

Bob (Palatka)


> On May 26, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> It is probably an opportune time for me to get into the fray. 
> I cannot imagine the sale of GB to anyone under any circumstances, fellow skippers, no discredit to anyone.  I suspect the business will pass to Stan's daughter through his will. My suggestion would be to drive to B'more and see if you want to be her business partner.  You may find she has little intention of becoming the CEO, therefore creating this option.
> Remember that time flies.
> Art Czerwonkys/v MaryJane (soon available)
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>  On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 8:51 AM, michael meltzer<mjm at michaelmeltzer.com> wrote:   Considering my bottom painting just got rained out. What going on here?
> Anyone have a summary (no axes to grind please), been following but not
> understanding
> 
>> On Sat, May 25, 2019, 9:28 PM Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I've been on the list probably longer than most. The new admins keep
>> bouncing my emails saying my freebie email must be sent as plain text
>> instead HTML. I hope this email gets through, because I can't stand Nabble.
>> 
>> I'm a nice guy most of the time but I can be quite abrasive at
>> times...just ask Roger P (welcome back BTW). And this email will probably
>> cost me a few friends here too but I don't care . My 2 cents; which is more
>> vinegar than sugar:
>> 
>> I first got on list before we left Sailnet and MJM started this list for
>> us Rhodies, so I've been here since before the beginning. Early on I bumped
>> heads with Stan and got grilled by a few of the hardcore
>> Rhodies...especially Rummy (may he rest in peace). I went off because of
>> Stan's reluctance to stop the production line to field my calls and parts
>> requests. Stan made a comment to the effect of 'I'm not in the parts
>> business so go talk to the guy you bought the boat from. Why should I stop
>> trying to make money to help out someone who has never put one dime in my
>> pocket?' This is partly the genesis for the Certificate of Support program.
>> I had never dealt with a struggling "one-off" organization before, but I
>> eventually understood the mindset and now I have to step up and defend Stan.
>> I'm sure he'd love to sell his business and finally retire...before he
>> turns 100 or reaches his "expiration date". I thought about making him this
>> offer--- I wouldn't buy his business or infuse any cash. But I could drive
>> down to Edenton bimonthly or so and tell him how to run the business
>> better, in exchange for him giving me the business and property in his Will
>> or something like that. Unfortunately though...somebody had already made
>> him that offer.
>> 
>> CC's endeavor is his own and I wish him luck. But Charles's supportive
>> email and choice of phrases are ironic. I'm at a loss to understand how a
>> directly competing business, especially one advertising HERE, is supposed
>> to put one dime in Stan's pocket?  Is that how you perpetuate a brand? b
>> Competing and taking business by soliciting to the list members who've
>> supported Stan for so long? I'll stop just short of saying this is Stan's
>> list, but we started it to drive interest in the Rhodes 22 and we've
>> promoted General Boats with some success.  CC's business may certainly
>> propel OUR interests in (your) Stan's invention" but it is certainly not a
>> faithful "continuation of the brand"?
>> 
>> I'm sorry if this offends anyone, and I don't want to make enemy of Chris
>> or Charles, but this is not the place to be asking for or looking for
>> support to cripple the struggling business of the aged Admiral of our fleet.
>> 
>>   Todd Tavares (Todd T.)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 7:17 PM
>> From: "Charles Nieman" <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
>> Stan;
>> I would normally not make any public comment in a situation such as this,
>> but you have asked. I support what CC is doing and think it actually helps
>> to propel our interests in your invention. You have not provided any
>> evidence of any solid plan for the continuation of the brand. And while
>> your longevity is amazing (but I?m pretty certain you do have an expiration
>> date as the rest of us do, if I?m wrong here I applaud you but could you
>> please share some insight and some evidence) there needs to be some plan
>> for the future. It appears to me that CC is attempting to provide such. He
>> therefore will receive the same support from me that you have. I wish both
>> endeavors all possible success.
>> 
>> 
>> Charles
>> 98 R 22
>> s/v DayDreams
>> Joe Pool Lake, DFW Texas
>> 
>>> On May 25, 2019, at 4:24 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> For 50 years Rhodes owners have been our sales force and our board of
>> directors. So before we submit a book size White Paper response to Chris
>> Cowie's "new" business, made clear by the following two emails, we feel we
>> should give voice to the cooler collective heads of the List, before a
>> declaration of war:
>>> 
>>> "/Hi Chris, /
>>> 
>>> /Rumor (Ted) has it that you may know of used Rhodes 22s for sale
>> especially in the Mid Atlantic region. My wife Emily and I are seriously
>> hot to trot! Jeff: Contact me//**//via email - we//**//have several
>> refurbished Rhodes 22 ready to sail."/
>>> 
>>> If you own, or are thinking of buying a Rhodes, what is happening here
>> truly affect your interests. Any and all input from the List will be
>> thoughtfully responded to.
>>> 
>>> thanks for hearing,
>>> stan
>>> 
>> 

From bgarrant at gmail.com  Tue May 28 12:15:13 2019
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2019 12:15:13 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
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My $0.1 from Kent Island, Chesapeake Bay

I fell in love with the Rhodes 22 when I stepped onto the vessel at the
2005 Annapolis Boat Show, and test sailed it with Stan during the same show.


I understand that competition has arrived but I am concerned about using a
mailing list that was nurtured by General Boats over 50+ years and marketed
at boat shows around the US, including the first Annapolis Sailboat Show in
1970. The cost of marketing can be a significant barrier to entry against
an established brand. Using a competitor?s existing customer base and
mailing list avoids these costs, so I would expect that the ?right thing?
to do would be to compensate GB for any Rhodes-related sales and services.
It?s not clear to me whether that arrangement has been made.


As a side note, I?ve sailed around the Chesapeake Bay for the last 15
years, after moving in 2003 to a neighborhood just up from Annapolis on the
Severn River. We moved across the Bay to Kent Island in 2018 and we were
very surprised last September when a dozen dolphins played around us while
we tacked across the Chester River. I suspect it was the beauty of the
Rhodes 22 hull that attracted them. Especially since some of these dolphins
appeared to have stopped over in Edenton on the way to the Chesapeake.


Regards,

Bob, s/v 2000 Sail la Vie



On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 11:36 AM Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:

> $ 0.02 from Florida
> I really think all of this talk is in poor taste.  Stan is very much alive
> and still active CEO of a great boat company.
> Life constantly reminds me that no one is guaranteed tomorrow.
> My motto is ?treat everyone like its your last day and theirs!?
>   I am an active certificate of support member having paid my
> penalty/membership to Stan who graciously allowed me to give him money
> after buying my boat from a sailboat graveyard in Georgia.
> When i needed a replacement hatch i couldnt get one without driving to the
> factory as it was too large to ship.  But as serendpity would have it, i
> bought another failing vessel with a functioning hatch before i made the
> drive.
>   Now we all wish there was a website where we could order parts to keep
> things operational right!!!???
> ... but Stan being a capitalist in the full sense of the word (despite
> claiming to be a socialist lol) decided it best to let the boats age out
> and be repurchased for recycling.  Its a brilliant idea especially
> considering GB was only a ?one design? company (i know there was a
> prototype).  Also in His defense he does occasionally fill and ship an
> order for soft and small parts.
> This business tactic probably profited the same as a parts store.
> Competition has arrived...it is inevitable. Competitors in the same market
> often dont do well so i cant see that there is much money in this endeavor
> so be not dismayed.  Another issue is the fate of the abandoned R22?s that
> have the thick heavy hulls that are not suitable for the recycling
> program.  I love all boats and hate to see them go to the dump.
> But all of this rambling brings me to my next statement to Stan....if you
> are still reading.
>
> Stan! Keep eating organic and live to be 120!!
> Lets redesign the keel into a ballasted diamond board and put a rudderpost
> in the cockpit drain area and mount a 30-40 hp honda on the midline and
> show MacGregor that your power sailer is superior to his 26  and looks much
> better!  It would sell like hotcakes and sail like an R22!  After all that
> WAS your idea!
>
> Bob (Palatka)
>
>
> > On May 26, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > It is probably an opportune time for me to get into the fray.
> > I cannot imagine the sale of GB to anyone under any circumstances,
> fellow skippers, no discredit to anyone.  I suspect the business will pass
> to Stan's daughter through his will. My suggestion would be to drive to
> B'more and see if you want to be her business partner.  You may find she
> has little intention of becoming the CEO, therefore creating this option.
> > Remember that time flies.
> > Art Czerwonkys/v MaryJane (soon available)
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
> >  On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 8:51 AM, michael meltzer<mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
> wrote:   Considering my bottom painting just got rained out. What going on
> here?
> > Anyone have a summary (no axes to grind please), been following but not
> > understanding
> >
> >> On Sat, May 25, 2019, 9:28 PM Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I've been on the list probably longer than most. The new admins keep
> >> bouncing my emails saying my freebie email must be sent as plain text
> >> instead HTML. I hope this email gets through, because I can't stand
> Nabble.
> >>
> >> I'm a nice guy most of the time but I can be quite abrasive at
> >> times...just ask Roger P (welcome back BTW). And this email will
> probably
> >> cost me a few friends here too but I don't care . My 2 cents; which is
> more
> >> vinegar than sugar:
> >>
> >> I first got on list before we left Sailnet and MJM started this list for
> >> us Rhodies, so I've been here since before the beginning. Early on I
> bumped
> >> heads with Stan and got grilled by a few of the hardcore
> >> Rhodies...especially Rummy (may he rest in peace). I went off because of
> >> Stan's reluctance to stop the production line to field my calls and
> parts
> >> requests. Stan made a comment to the effect of 'I'm not in the parts
> >> business so go talk to the guy you bought the boat from. Why should I
> stop
> >> trying to make money to help out someone who has never put one dime in
> my
> >> pocket?' This is partly the genesis for the Certificate of Support
> program.
> >> I had never dealt with a struggling "one-off" organization before, but I
> >> eventually understood the mindset and now I have to step up and defend
> Stan.
> >> I'm sure he'd love to sell his business and finally retire...before he
> >> turns 100 or reaches his "expiration date". I thought about making him
> this
> >> offer--- I wouldn't buy his business or infuse any cash. But I could
> drive
> >> down to Edenton bimonthly or so and tell him how to run the business
> >> better, in exchange for him giving me the business and property in his
> Will
> >> or something like that. Unfortunately though...somebody had already made
> >> him that offer.
> >>
> >> CC's endeavor is his own and I wish him luck. But Charles's supportive
> >> email and choice of phrases are ironic. I'm at a loss to understand how
> a
> >> directly competing business, especially one advertising HERE, is
> supposed
> >> to put one dime in Stan's pocket?  Is that how you perpetuate a brand? b
> >> Competing and taking business by soliciting to the list members who've
> >> supported Stan for so long? I'll stop just short of saying this is
> Stan's
> >> list, but we started it to drive interest in the Rhodes 22 and we've
> >> promoted General Boats with some success.  CC's business may certainly
> >> propel OUR interests in (your) Stan's invention" but it is certainly
> not a
> >> faithful "continuation of the brand"?
> >>
> >> I'm sorry if this offends anyone, and I don't want to make enemy of
> Chris
> >> or Charles, but this is not the place to be asking for or looking for
> >> support to cripple the struggling business of the aged Admiral of our
> fleet.
> >>
> >>   Todd Tavares (Todd T.)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 7:17 PM
> >> From: "Charles Nieman" <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
> >> Stan;
> >> I would normally not make any public comment in a situation such as
> this,
> >> but you have asked. I support what CC is doing and think it actually
> helps
> >> to propel our interests in your invention. You have not provided any
> >> evidence of any solid plan for the continuation of the brand. And while
> >> your longevity is amazing (but I?m pretty certain you do have an
> expiration
> >> date as the rest of us do, if I?m wrong here I applaud you but could you
> >> please share some insight and some evidence) there needs to be some plan
> >> for the future. It appears to me that CC is attempting to provide such.
> He
> >> therefore will receive the same support from me that you have. I wish
> both
> >> endeavors all possible success.
> >>
> >>
> >> Charles
> >> 98 R 22
> >> s/v DayDreams
> >> Joe Pool Lake, DFW Texas
> >>
> >>> On May 25, 2019, at 4:24 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> For 50 years Rhodes owners have been our sales force and our board of
> >> directors. So before we submit a book size White Paper response to Chris
> >> Cowie's "new" business, made clear by the following two emails, we feel
> we
> >> should give voice to the cooler collective heads of the List, before a
> >> declaration of war:
> >>>
> >>> "/Hi Chris, /
> >>>
> >>> /Rumor (Ted) has it that you may know of used Rhodes 22s for sale
> >> especially in the Mid Atlantic region. My wife Emily and I are seriously
> >> hot to trot! Jeff: Contact me//**//via email - we//**//have several
> >> refurbished Rhodes 22 ready to sail."/
> >>>
> >>> If you own, or are thinking of buying a Rhodes, what is happening here
> >> truly affect your interests. Any and all input from the List will be
> >> thoughtfully responded to.
> >>>
> >>> thanks for hearing,
> >>> stan
> >>>
> >>
>

From blue66corvette at hotmail.com  Tue May 28 13:49:23 2019
From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2019 17:49:23 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
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I do not disagree with the premise presented here....and I do not have any real interest....but, it should be noted...

This list is not the property of nor supported by General Boats  .... fro what I have been able to tell over the years of being involved with this list, Stan has never nurtured this list and only occasionally will he respond to the list, but I THINK he does "listen" to the postings here

... it is my understanding that this list is an open exchange of information between people who own a Rhodes 22, want to own a Rhodes 22, or have other interest in a Rhodes 22. I think Chris Cowie qualifies under a least two of those points.


Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook>

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 11:15 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds

My $0.1 from Kent Island, Chesapeake Bay

I fell in love with the Rhodes 22 when I stepped onto the vessel at the
2005 Annapolis Boat Show, and test sailed it with Stan during the same show.


I understand that competition has arrived but I am concerned about using a
mailing list that was nurtured by General Boats over 50+ years and marketed
at boat shows around the US, including the first Annapolis Sailboat Show in
1970. The cost of marketing can be a significant barrier to entry against
an established brand. Using a competitor?s existing customer base and
mailing list avoids these costs, so I would expect that the ?right thing?
to do would be to compensate GB for any Rhodes-related sales and services.
It?s not clear to me whether that arrangement has been made.


As a side note, I?ve sailed around the Chesapeake Bay for the last 15
years, after moving in 2003 to a neighborhood just up from Annapolis on the
Severn River. We moved across the Bay to Kent Island in 2018 and we were
very surprised last September when a dozen dolphins played around us while
we tacked across the Chester River. I suspect it was the beauty of the
Rhodes 22 hull that attracted them. Especially since some of these dolphins
appeared to have stopped over in Edenton on the way to the Chesapeake.


Regards,

Bob, s/v 2000 Sail la Vie



On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 11:36 AM Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:

> $ 0.02 from Florida
> I really think all of this talk is in poor taste.  Stan is very much alive
> and still active CEO of a great boat company.
> Life constantly reminds me that no one is guaranteed tomorrow.
> My motto is ?treat everyone like its your last day and theirs!?
>   I am an active certificate of support member having paid my
> penalty/membership to Stan who graciously allowed me to give him money
> after buying my boat from a sailboat graveyard in Georgia.
> When i needed a replacement hatch i couldnt get one without driving to the
> factory as it was too large to ship.  But as serendpity would have it, i
> bought another failing vessel with a functioning hatch before i made the
> drive.
>   Now we all wish there was a website where we could order parts to keep
> things operational right!!!???
> ... but Stan being a capitalist in the full sense of the word (despite
> claiming to be a socialist lol) decided it best to let the boats age out
> and be repurchased for recycling.  Its a brilliant idea especially
> considering GB was only a ?one design? company (i know there was a
> prototype).  Also in His defense he does occasionally fill and ship an
> order for soft and small parts.
> This business tactic probably profited the same as a parts store.
> Competition has arrived...it is inevitable. Competitors in the same market
> often dont do well so i cant see that there is much money in this endeavor
> so be not dismayed.  Another issue is the fate of the abandoned R22?s that
> have the thick heavy hulls that are not suitable for the recycling
> program.  I love all boats and hate to see them go to the dump.
> But all of this rambling brings me to my next statement to Stan....if you
> are still reading.
>
> Stan! Keep eating organic and live to be 120!!
> Lets redesign the keel into a ballasted diamond board and put a rudderpost
> in the cockpit drain area and mount a 30-40 hp honda on the midline and
> show MacGregor that your power sailer is superior to his 26  and looks much
> better!  It would sell like hotcakes and sail like an R22!  After all that
> WAS your idea!
>
> Bob (Palatka)
>
>
> > On May 26, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > It is probably an opportune time for me to get into the fray.
> > I cannot imagine the sale of GB to anyone under any circumstances,
> fellow skippers, no discredit to anyone.  I suspect the business will pass
> to Stan's daughter through his will. My suggestion would be to drive to
> B'more and see if you want to be her business partner.  You may find she
> has little intention of becoming the CEO, therefore creating this option.
> > Remember that time flies.
> > Art Czerwonkys/v MaryJane (soon available)
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
> >  On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 8:51 AM, michael meltzer<mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
> wrote:   Considering my bottom painting just got rained out. What going on
> here?
> > Anyone have a summary (no axes to grind please), been following but not
> > understanding
> >
> >> On Sat, May 25, 2019, 9:28 PM Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I've been on the list probably longer than most. The new admins keep
> >> bouncing my emails saying my freebie email must be sent as plain text
> >> instead HTML. I hope this email gets through, because I can't stand
> Nabble.
> >>
> >> I'm a nice guy most of the time but I can be quite abrasive at
> >> times...just ask Roger P (welcome back BTW). And this email will
> probably
> >> cost me a few friends here too but I don't care . My 2 cents; which is
> more
> >> vinegar than sugar:
> >>
> >> I first got on list before we left Sailnet and MJM started this list for
> >> us Rhodies, so I've been here since before the beginning. Early on I
> bumped
> >> heads with Stan and got grilled by a few of the hardcore
> >> Rhodies...especially Rummy (may he rest in peace). I went off because of
> >> Stan's reluctance to stop the production line to field my calls and
> parts
> >> requests. Stan made a comment to the effect of 'I'm not in the parts
> >> business so go talk to the guy you bought the boat from. Why should I
> stop
> >> trying to make money to help out someone who has never put one dime in
> my
> >> pocket?' This is partly the genesis for the Certificate of Support
> program.
> >> I had never dealt with a struggling "one-off" organization before, but I
> >> eventually understood the mindset and now I have to step up and defend
> Stan.
> >> I'm sure he'd love to sell his business and finally retire...before he
> >> turns 100 or reaches his "expiration date". I thought about making him
> this
> >> offer--- I wouldn't buy his business or infuse any cash. But I could
> drive
> >> down to Edenton bimonthly or so and tell him how to run the business
> >> better, in exchange for him giving me the business and property in his
> Will
> >> or something like that. Unfortunately though...somebody had already made
> >> him that offer.
> >>
> >> CC's endeavor is his own and I wish him luck. But Charles's supportive
> >> email and choice of phrases are ironic. I'm at a loss to understand how
> a
> >> directly competing business, especially one advertising HERE, is
> supposed
> >> to put one dime in Stan's pocket?  Is that how you perpetuate a brand? b
> >> Competing and taking business by soliciting to the list members who've
> >> supported Stan for so long? I'll stop just short of saying this is
> Stan's
> >> list, but we started it to drive interest in the Rhodes 22 and we've
> >> promoted General Boats with some success.  CC's business may certainly
> >> propel OUR interests in (your) Stan's invention" but it is certainly
> not a
> >> faithful "continuation of the brand"?
> >>
> >> I'm sorry if this offends anyone, and I don't want to make enemy of
> Chris
> >> or Charles, but this is not the place to be asking for or looking for
> >> support to cripple the struggling business of the aged Admiral of our
> fleet.
> >>
> >>   Todd Tavares (Todd T.)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 7:17 PM
> >> From: "Charles Nieman" <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
> >> Stan;
> >> I would normally not make any public comment in a situation such as
> this,
> >> but you have asked. I support what CC is doing and think it actually
> helps
> >> to propel our interests in your invention. You have not provided any
> >> evidence of any solid plan for the continuation of the brand. And while
> >> your longevity is amazing (but I?m pretty certain you do have an
> expiration
> >> date as the rest of us do, if I?m wrong here I applaud you but could you
> >> please share some insight and some evidence) there needs to be some plan
> >> for the future. It appears to me that CC is attempting to provide such.
> He
> >> therefore will receive the same support from me that you have. I wish
> both
> >> endeavors all possible success.
> >>
> >>
> >> Charles
> >> 98 R 22
> >> s/v DayDreams
> >> Joe Pool Lake, DFW Texas
> >>
> >>> On May 25, 2019, at 4:24 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> For 50 years Rhodes owners have been our sales force and our board of
> >> directors. So before we submit a book size White Paper response to Chris
> >> Cowie's "new" business, made clear by the following two emails, we feel
> we
> >> should give voice to the cooler collective heads of the List, before a
> >> declaration of war:
> >>>
> >>> "/Hi Chris, /
> >>>
> >>> /Rumor (Ted) has it that you may know of used Rhodes 22s for sale
> >> especially in the Mid Atlantic region. My wife Emily and I are seriously
> >> hot to trot! Jeff: Contact me//**//via email - we//**//have several
> >> refurbished Rhodes 22 ready to sail."/
> >>>
> >>> If you own, or are thinking of buying a Rhodes, what is happening here
> >> truly affect your interests. Any and all input from the List will be
> >> thoughtfully responded to.
> >>>
> >>> thanks for hearing,
> >>> stan
> >>>
> >>
>

From michael.4591 at gmail.com  Tue May 28 15:33:07 2019
From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2019 15:33:07 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
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I am with Stan on this issue.  Been a Rhodes owner and Stan loyalist since
1996.  I absolutely trust him and sincerely hope he can find an active
partner to help with GB.  Seems to me that Chris C. and his company are
just trying to squeeze Stan out!
Great to hear again from MJM; wasn't sure you were still out there.

Mike Corley
S/V Ranger
Hampton Roads

On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 1:49 PM Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> I do not disagree with the premise presented here....and I do not have any
> real interest....but, it should be noted...
>
> This list is not the property of nor supported by General Boats  .... fro
> what I have been able to tell over the years of being involved with this
> list, Stan has never nurtured this list and only occasionally will he
> respond to the list, but I THINK he does "listen" to the postings here
>
> ... it is my understanding that this list is an open exchange of
> information between people who own a Rhodes 22, want to own a Rhodes 22, or
> have other interest in a Rhodes 22. I think Chris Cowie qualifies under a
> least two of those points.
>
>
> Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Bob
> Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 11:15 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
>
> My $0.1 from Kent Island, Chesapeake Bay
>
> I fell in love with the Rhodes 22 when I stepped onto the vessel at the
> 2005 Annapolis Boat Show, and test sailed it with Stan during the same
> show.
>
>
> I understand that competition has arrived but I am concerned about using a
> mailing list that was nurtured by General Boats over 50+ years and marketed
> at boat shows around the US, including the first Annapolis Sailboat Show in
> 1970. The cost of marketing can be a significant barrier to entry against
> an established brand. Using a competitor?s existing customer base and
> mailing list avoids these costs, so I would expect that the ?right thing?
> to do would be to compensate GB for any Rhodes-related sales and services.
> It?s not clear to me whether that arrangement has been made.
>
>
> As a side note, I?ve sailed around the Chesapeake Bay for the last 15
> years, after moving in 2003 to a neighborhood just up from Annapolis on the
> Severn River. We moved across the Bay to Kent Island in 2018 and we were
> very surprised last September when a dozen dolphins played around us while
> we tacked across the Chester River. I suspect it was the beauty of the
> Rhodes 22 hull that attracted them. Especially since some of these dolphins
> appeared to have stopped over in Edenton on the way to the Chesapeake.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob, s/v 2000 Sail la Vie
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 11:36 AM Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > $ 0.02 from Florida
> > I really think all of this talk is in poor taste.  Stan is very much
> alive
> > and still active CEO of a great boat company.
> > Life constantly reminds me that no one is guaranteed tomorrow.
> > My motto is ?treat everyone like its your last day and theirs!?
> >   I am an active certificate of support member having paid my
> > penalty/membership to Stan who graciously allowed me to give him money
> > after buying my boat from a sailboat graveyard in Georgia.
> > When i needed a replacement hatch i couldnt get one without driving to
> the
> > factory as it was too large to ship.  But as serendpity would have it, i
> > bought another failing vessel with a functioning hatch before i made the
> > drive.
> >   Now we all wish there was a website where we could order parts to keep
> > things operational right!!!???
> > ... but Stan being a capitalist in the full sense of the word (despite
> > claiming to be a socialist lol) decided it best to let the boats age out
> > and be repurchased for recycling.  Its a brilliant idea especially
> > considering GB was only a ?one design? company (i know there was a
> > prototype).  Also in His defense he does occasionally fill and ship an
> > order for soft and small parts.
> > This business tactic probably profited the same as a parts store.
> > Competition has arrived...it is inevitable. Competitors in the same
> market
> > often dont do well so i cant see that there is much money in this
> endeavor
> > so be not dismayed.  Another issue is the fate of the abandoned R22?s
> that
> > have the thick heavy hulls that are not suitable for the recycling
> > program.  I love all boats and hate to see them go to the dump.
> > But all of this rambling brings me to my next statement to Stan....if you
> > are still reading.
> >
> > Stan! Keep eating organic and live to be 120!!
> > Lets redesign the keel into a ballasted diamond board and put a
> rudderpost
> > in the cockpit drain area and mount a 30-40 hp honda on the midline and
> > show MacGregor that your power sailer is superior to his 26  and looks
> much
> > better!  It would sell like hotcakes and sail like an R22!  After all
> that
> > WAS your idea!
> >
> > Bob (Palatka)
> >
> >
> > > On May 26, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > It is probably an opportune time for me to get into the fray.
> > > I cannot imagine the sale of GB to anyone under any circumstances,
> > fellow skippers, no discredit to anyone.  I suspect the business will
> pass
> > to Stan's daughter through his will. My suggestion would be to drive to
> > B'more and see if you want to be her business partner.  You may find she
> > has little intention of becoming the CEO, therefore creating this option.
> > > Remember that time flies.
> > > Art Czerwonkys/v MaryJane (soon available)
> > >
> > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> > >
> > >  On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 8:51 AM, michael meltzer<
> mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
> > wrote:   Considering my bottom painting just got rained out. What going
> on
> > here?
> > > Anyone have a summary (no axes to grind please), been following but not
> > > understanding
> > >
> > >> On Sat, May 25, 2019, 9:28 PM Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I've been on the list probably longer than most. The new admins keep
> > >> bouncing my emails saying my freebie email must be sent as plain text
> > >> instead HTML. I hope this email gets through, because I can't stand
> > Nabble.
> > >>
> > >> I'm a nice guy most of the time but I can be quite abrasive at
> > >> times...just ask Roger P (welcome back BTW). And this email will
> > probably
> > >> cost me a few friends here too but I don't care . My 2 cents; which is
> > more
> > >> vinegar than sugar:
> > >>
> > >> I first got on list before we left Sailnet and MJM started this list
> for
> > >> us Rhodies, so I've been here since before the beginning. Early on I
> > bumped
> > >> heads with Stan and got grilled by a few of the hardcore
> > >> Rhodies...especially Rummy (may he rest in peace). I went off because
> of
> > >> Stan's reluctance to stop the production line to field my calls and
> > parts
> > >> requests. Stan made a comment to the effect of 'I'm not in the parts
> > >> business so go talk to the guy you bought the boat from. Why should I
> > stop
> > >> trying to make money to help out someone who has never put one dime in
> > my
> > >> pocket?' This is partly the genesis for the Certificate of Support
> > program.
> > >> I had never dealt with a struggling "one-off" organization before,
> but I
> > >> eventually understood the mindset and now I have to step up and defend
> > Stan.
> > >> I'm sure he'd love to sell his business and finally retire...before he
> > >> turns 100 or reaches his "expiration date". I thought about making him
> > this
> > >> offer--- I wouldn't buy his business or infuse any cash. But I could
> > drive
> > >> down to Edenton bimonthly or so and tell him how to run the business
> > >> better, in exchange for him giving me the business and property in his
> > Will
> > >> or something like that. Unfortunately though...somebody had already
> made
> > >> him that offer.
> > >>
> > >> CC's endeavor is his own and I wish him luck. But Charles's supportive
> > >> email and choice of phrases are ironic. I'm at a loss to understand
> how
> > a
> > >> directly competing business, especially one advertising HERE, is
> > supposed
> > >> to put one dime in Stan's pocket?  Is that how you perpetuate a
> brand? b
> > >> Competing and taking business by soliciting to the list members who've
> > >> supported Stan for so long? I'll stop just short of saying this is
> > Stan's
> > >> list, but we started it to drive interest in the Rhodes 22 and we've
> > >> promoted General Boats with some success.  CC's business may certainly
> > >> propel OUR interests in (your) Stan's invention" but it is certainly
> > not a
> > >> faithful "continuation of the brand"?
> > >>
> > >> I'm sorry if this offends anyone, and I don't want to make enemy of
> > Chris
> > >> or Charles, but this is not the place to be asking for or looking for
> > >> support to cripple the struggling business of the aged Admiral of our
> > fleet.
> > >>
> > >>   Todd Tavares (Todd T.)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 7:17 PM
> > >> From: "Charles Nieman" <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
> > >> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
> > >> Stan;
> > >> I would normally not make any public comment in a situation such as
> > this,
> > >> but you have asked. I support what CC is doing and think it actually
> > helps
> > >> to propel our interests in your invention. You have not provided any
> > >> evidence of any solid plan for the continuation of the brand. And
> while
> > >> your longevity is amazing (but I?m pretty certain you do have an
> > expiration
> > >> date as the rest of us do, if I?m wrong here I applaud you but could
> you
> > >> please share some insight and some evidence) there needs to be some
> plan
> > >> for the future. It appears to me that CC is attempting to provide
> such.
> > He
> > >> therefore will receive the same support from me that you have. I wish
> > both
> > >> endeavors all possible success.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Charles
> > >> 98 R 22
> > >> s/v DayDreams
> > >> Joe Pool Lake, DFW Texas
> > >>
> > >>> On May 25, 2019, at 4:24 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> For 50 years Rhodes owners have been our sales force and our board of
> > >> directors. So before we submit a book size White Paper response to
> Chris
> > >> Cowie's "new" business, made clear by the following two emails, we
> feel
> > we
> > >> should give voice to the cooler collective heads of the List, before a
> > >> declaration of war:
> > >>>
> > >>> "/Hi Chris, /
> > >>>
> > >>> /Rumor (Ted) has it that you may know of used Rhodes 22s for sale
> > >> especially in the Mid Atlantic region. My wife Emily and I are
> seriously
> > >> hot to trot! Jeff: Contact me//**//via email - we//**//have several
> > >> refurbished Rhodes 22 ready to sail."/
> > >>>
> > >>> If you own, or are thinking of buying a Rhodes, what is happening
> here
> > >> truly affect your interests. Any and all input from the List will be
> > >> thoughtfully responded to.
> > >>>
> > >>> thanks for hearing,
> > >>> stan
> > >>>
> > >>
> >
>

From mcneelyd at site-solutions.com  Tue May 28 16:09:54 2019
From: mcneelyd at site-solutions.com (Dennis)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2019 16:09:54 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
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I've been off list for some time, and just lurking at other times - so 
throw that into the mix when reading below.

I'm an entrepreneur, and can appreciate the effort Stan has put into 
building General Boats, the risks he took to make it happen, the 
failures he had to 'engineer' around, and the stresses he had to put on 
his family while all the above was going on. For all that and much more, 
Stan and his family deserve huge congratulations.

Being an entrepreneur involves more that just the massive efforts 
indicated above however. There are also the "minor" issues of marketing 
and customer service. Stan has attended innumerable boat shows to expose 
the gem the Rhodes 22 has become, and by hook or by crook, Stan has 
pulled together a web site(s). Driving traffic to a web site is another 
matter though. It's handy to have a list of interested owners you can 
address when you're launching a new product or selling off old inventory 
- and Stan has used this list for both.

Which brings us to this list - or DaList, as Rummy liked to call it. 
First off - thanks to the folks who pulled it together and have grown it 
to its present size. The present owner or administrator is truly the 
person who can dictate whether DaList can be used for commercial 
purposes, and to what extent. If Stan is running the list, he has the 
power to ban members who offer parts (or boats) for sale. If someone 
else is running the show, it's their call to make - despite the fact 
that their call may rub Stan the wrong way. I'm sure Rhodes 22 owners 
everywhere appreciate being aware of parts or boats that become 
available - that's part of what makes this community thrive.

I really appreciate owning one of Stan's fleet, and don't want to take 
the shine off the effort he's made to build General Boats - but if he 
doesn't own the list, he really shouldn't be laying claim to it or 
objecting to any posts that don't break DaRules.

I think Stan has made a great move by involving others in fulfilling 
parts orders. Getting those orders turned around sooner rather than 
later will certainly add to General Boat's shine, as will improving 
communications with customers trying to buy parts (or those who simply 
have questions). It's nice when someone picks up the phone when you 
call, or responds the next day if you leave a voicemail or send an 
email. Those two improvements alone are huge in the eyes of DaList. Did 
I mention the importance of customer service? <chuckle>

That's it - off my soap box. Enjoy the season!

Dennis McNeely
Magic Moments

PS It's good to see you and Dynamic Equilibrium here again Roger!
 ????? ... and thanks for sending links letting me crew with you on 
Enosis 1 Chris - if only in my imagination :)


On 5/25/2019 5:24 PM, stan wrote:
>
> For 50 years Rhodes owners have been our sales force and our board of 
> directors.? So before we submit a book size White Paper response to 
> Chris Cowie's "new" business, made clear by the following two emails, 
> we feel we should give voice to the cooler collective heads of the 
> List, before a declaration of war:
>
> "/Hi Chris, /
>
> /Rumor (Ted) has it that you may know of used Rhodes 22s for sale 
> especially in the Mid Atlantic region. My wife Emily and I are 
> seriously hot to trot! Jeff: Contact me//**//via email - we//**//have 
> several refurbished Rhodes 22 ready to sail."/
>
> If you own, or are thinking of buying a Rhodes, what is happening here 
> truly affect your interests.? Any and all input from the List will be 
> thoughtfully responded to.
>
> thanks for hearing,
> stan
>
>

From a_czerwonky at yahoo.com  Tue May 28 18:03:51 2019
From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2019 22:03:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
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Mike?I wouldn't assume that Chris has negative intent in wishing to offer continuity to the GB (and Stan's) legacy.? I recall that many years before we lost Rummy, he raised the question to me about GB succession.? I won't dwell on other private and similar suggestions by others in the fleet. Fact is, none of us will take it with us.
The Rhodes 22 will forever be a tribute to Stan, and the tradition and meaning for any of us will only be enhanced if GB can carry on for many years in the future.? All of us jointly admire Stan's achievements, so let's not think in a negative way.
Art

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 3:33 PM, Michael Corley<michael.4591 at gmail.com> wrote:   I am with Stan on this issue.? Been a Rhodes owner and Stan loyalist since
1996.? I absolutely trust him and sincerely hope he can find an active
partner to help with GB.? Seems to me that Chris C. and his company are
just trying to squeeze Stan out!
Great to hear again from MJM; wasn't sure you were still out there.

Mike Corley
S/V Ranger
Hampton Roads

On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 1:49 PM Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> I do not disagree with the premise presented here....and I do not have any
> real interest....but, it should be noted...
>
> This list is not the property of nor supported by General Boats? .... fro
> what I have been able to tell over the years of being involved with this
> list, Stan has never nurtured this list and only occasionally will he
> respond to the list, but I THINK he does "listen" to the postings here
>
> ... it is my understanding that this list is an open exchange of
> information between people who own a Rhodes 22, want to own a Rhodes 22, or
> have other interest in a Rhodes 22. I think Chris Cowie qualifies under a
> least two of those points.
>
>
> Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Bob
> Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 11:15 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
>
> My $0.1 from Kent Island, Chesapeake Bay
>
> I fell in love with the Rhodes 22 when I stepped onto the vessel at the
> 2005 Annapolis Boat Show, and test sailed it with Stan during the same
> show.
>
>
> I understand that competition has arrived but I am concerned about using a
> mailing list that was nurtured by General Boats over 50+ years and marketed
> at boat shows around the US, including the first Annapolis Sailboat Show in
> 1970. The cost of marketing can be a significant barrier to entry against
> an established brand. Using a competitor?s existing customer base and
> mailing list avoids these costs, so I would expect that the ?right thing?
> to do would be to compensate GB for any Rhodes-related sales and services.
> It?s not clear to me whether that arrangement has been made.
>
>
> As a side note, I?ve sailed around the Chesapeake Bay for the last 15
> years, after moving in 2003 to a neighborhood just up from Annapolis on the
> Severn River. We moved across the Bay to Kent Island in 2018 and we were
> very surprised last September when a dozen dolphins played around us while
> we tacked across the Chester River. I suspect it was the beauty of the
> Rhodes 22 hull that attracted them. Especially since some of these dolphins
> appeared to have stopped over in Edenton on the way to the Chesapeake.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob, s/v 2000 Sail la Vie
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 11:36 AM Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > $ 0.02 from Florida
> > I really think all of this talk is in poor taste.? Stan is very much
> alive
> > and still active CEO of a great boat company.
> > Life constantly reminds me that no one is guaranteed tomorrow.
> > My motto is ?treat everyone like its your last day and theirs!?
> >? I am an active certificate of support member having paid my
> > penalty/membership to Stan who graciously allowed me to give him money
> > after buying my boat from a sailboat graveyard in Georgia.
> > When i needed a replacement hatch i couldnt get one without driving to
> the
> > factory as it was too large to ship.? But as serendpity would have it, i
> > bought another failing vessel with a functioning hatch before i made the
> > drive.
> >? Now we all wish there was a website where we could order parts to keep
> > things operational right!!!???
> > ... but Stan being a capitalist in the full sense of the word (despite
> > claiming to be a socialist lol) decided it best to let the boats age out
> > and be repurchased for recycling.? Its a brilliant idea especially
> > considering GB was only a ?one design? company (i know there was a
> > prototype).? Also in His defense he does occasionally fill and ship an
> > order for soft and small parts.
> > This business tactic probably profited the same as a parts store.
> > Competition has arrived...it is inevitable. Competitors in the same
> market
> > often dont do well so i cant see that there is much money in this
> endeavor
> > so be not dismayed.? Another issue is the fate of the abandoned R22?s
> that
> > have the thick heavy hulls that are not suitable for the recycling
> > program.? I love all boats and hate to see them go to the dump.
> > But all of this rambling brings me to my next statement to Stan....if you
> > are still reading.
> >
> > Stan! Keep eating organic and live to be 120!!
> > Lets redesign the keel into a ballasted diamond board and put a
> rudderpost
> > in the cockpit drain area and mount a 30-40 hp honda on the midline and
> > show MacGregor that your power sailer is superior to his 26? and looks
> much
> > better!? It would sell like hotcakes and sail like an R22!? After all
> that
> > WAS your idea!
> >
> > Bob (Palatka)
> >
> >
> > > On May 26, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > It is probably an opportune time for me to get into the fray.
> > > I cannot imagine the sale of GB to anyone under any circumstances,
> > fellow skippers, no discredit to anyone.? I suspect the business will
> pass
> > to Stan's daughter through his will. My suggestion would be to drive to
> > B'more and see if you want to be her business partner.? You may find she
> > has little intention of becoming the CEO, therefore creating this option.
> > > Remember that time flies.
> > > Art Czerwonkys/v MaryJane (soon available)
> > >
> > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> > >
> > >? On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 8:51 AM, michael meltzer<
> mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
> > wrote:? Considering my bottom painting just got rained out. What going
> on
> > here?
> > > Anyone have a summary (no axes to grind please), been following but not
> > > understanding
> > >
> > >> On Sat, May 25, 2019, 9:28 PM Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I've been on the list probably longer than most. The new admins keep
> > >> bouncing my emails saying my freebie email must be sent as plain text
> > >> instead HTML. I hope this email gets through, because I can't stand
> > Nabble.
> > >>
> > >> I'm a nice guy most of the time but I can be quite abrasive at
> > >> times...just ask Roger P (welcome back BTW). And this email will
> > probably
> > >> cost me a few friends here too but I don't care . My 2 cents; which is
> > more
> > >> vinegar than sugar:
> > >>
> > >> I first got on list before we left Sailnet and MJM started this list
> for
> > >> us Rhodies, so I've been here since before the beginning. Early on I
> > bumped
> > >> heads with Stan and got grilled by a few of the hardcore
> > >> Rhodies...especially Rummy (may he rest in peace). I went off because
> of
> > >> Stan's reluctance to stop the production line to field my calls and
> > parts
> > >> requests. Stan made a comment to the effect of 'I'm not in the parts
> > >> business so go talk to the guy you bought the boat from. Why should I
> > stop
> > >> trying to make money to help out someone who has never put one dime in
> > my
> > >> pocket?' This is partly the genesis for the Certificate of Support
> > program.
> > >> I had never dealt with a struggling "one-off" organization before,
> but I
> > >> eventually understood the mindset and now I have to step up and defend
> > Stan.
> > >> I'm sure he'd love to sell his business and finally retire...before he
> > >> turns 100 or reaches his "expiration date". I thought about making him
> > this
> > >> offer--- I wouldn't buy his business or infuse any cash. But I could
> > drive
> > >> down to Edenton bimonthly or so and tell him how to run the business
> > >> better, in exchange for him giving me the business and property in his
> > Will
> > >> or something like that. Unfortunately though...somebody had already
> made
> > >> him that offer.
> > >>
> > >> CC's endeavor is his own and I wish him luck. But Charles's supportive
> > >> email and choice of phrases are ironic. I'm at a loss to understand
> how
> > a
> > >> directly competing business, especially one advertising HERE, is
> > supposed
> > >> to put one dime in Stan's pocket?? Is that how you perpetuate a
> brand? b
> > >> Competing and taking business by soliciting to the list members who've
> > >> supported Stan for so long? I'll stop just short of saying this is
> > Stan's
> > >> list, but we started it to drive interest in the Rhodes 22 and we've
> > >> promoted General Boats with some success.? CC's business may certainly
> > >> propel OUR interests in (your) Stan's invention" but it is certainly
> > not a
> > >> faithful "continuation of the brand"?
> > >>
> > >> I'm sorry if this offends anyone, and I don't want to make enemy of
> > Chris
> > >> or Charles, but this is not the place to be asking for or looking for
> > >> support to cripple the struggling business of the aged Admiral of our
> > fleet.
> > >>
> > >>? Todd Tavares (Todd T.)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 7:17 PM
> > >> From: "Charles Nieman" <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
> > >> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
> > >> Stan;
> > >> I would normally not make any public comment in a situation such as
> > this,
> > >> but you have asked. I support what CC is doing and think it actually
> > helps
> > >> to propel our interests in your invention. You have not provided any
> > >> evidence of any solid plan for the continuation of the brand. And
> while
> > >> your longevity is amazing (but I?m pretty certain you do have an
> > expiration
> > >> date as the rest of us do, if I?m wrong here I applaud you but could
> you
> > >> please share some insight and some evidence) there needs to be some
> plan
> > >> for the future. It appears to me that CC is attempting to provide
> such.
> > He
> > >> therefore will receive the same support from me that you have. I wish
> > both
> > >> endeavors all possible success.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Charles
> > >> 98 R 22
> > >> s/v DayDreams
> > >> Joe Pool Lake, DFW Texas
> > >>
> > >>> On May 25, 2019, at 4:24 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> For 50 years Rhodes owners have been our sales force and our board of
> > >> directors. So before we submit a book size White Paper response to
> Chris
> > >> Cowie's "new" business, made clear by the following two emails, we
> feel
> > we
> > >> should give voice to the cooler collective heads of the List, before a
> > >> declaration of war:
> > >>>
> > >>> "/Hi Chris, /
> > >>>
> > >>> /Rumor (Ted) has it that you may know of used Rhodes 22s for sale
> > >> especially in the Mid Atlantic region. My wife Emily and I are
> seriously
> > >> hot to trot! Jeff: Contact me//**//via email - we//**//have several
> > >> refurbished Rhodes 22 ready to sail."/
> > >>>
> > >>> If you own, or are thinking of buying a Rhodes, what is happening
> here
> > >> truly affect your interests. Any and all input from the List will be
> > >> thoughtfully responded to.
> > >>>
> > >>> thanks for hearing,
> > >>> stan
> > >>>
> > >>
> >
>  

From jefferson at iteract.ca  Wed May 29 06:46:35 2019
From: jefferson at iteract.ca (Jefferson Lewis)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 03:46:35 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] parts
In-Reply-To: <mailman.670.1558309381.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
References: <mailman.670.1558309381.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
Message-ID: <1559126795906-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

I'd be interested in the travellers, the rudder and the tiller. My phone # is
450-521-6684. Email jefferson at iteract.ca



-----
Jefferson Lewis
SV Patience 1976
Lake Memphremagog, Quebec
--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From stan at generalboats.com  Wed May 29 14:05:04 2019
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 14:05:04 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] storm clouds
Message-ID: <3c8583be-91de-953e-2c3f-53a9dfef8673@generalboats.com>


Thanks for all the on & off line, thoughtful responses.?? I will reply 
to each in future emails as several are based on misinformation.?? This 
"brief" focuses on Rhodes owners' "Self Interests".? The point being 
made herein is simple, factual and indisputable:

The high value of your Rhodes is attributable to its historic 50 year 
run and to its continuing status as a boat in production.? The multiple 
reasons for your Rhodes outstanding value are powerful, extending all 
the way to your selling of your boat to a buyer who is financing; the 
purchase cost is lower but not at your expense. Lenders' rates are more 
attractive for boats in production. ? Add to this:? Ongoing promoting of 
the Rhodes (boat shows, magazine, even book reviews).? Add to this 
ongoing innovations that keep the Rhodes the freshest of its competition 
in its sail and trail category.? Add to this marketing innovations: The 
introduction of recycled Rhodes, Rhodes that are reborn with the latest 
in new designs that enhance performance and come with new boat 
guarantees for peace of mind.? Other marketing innovations, like the GB 
Sweat Equity program, all broaden the market for your Rhodes 22 while 
giants like Catalina no longer even bring their 22s to boat show, this 
two tier economy so drastically having demoted sales of low end 
sailboats to second class citizens.

Take away the cash flow that makes the above work for you and you take 
away the Rhodes remaining a boat in production.? We will fight like 
crazy to preserve your self interests; we ask you to support these efforts.

Stating immediately:? A Rhodes purchased from an unauthorized Rhodes 
outlet that buys back General Boat's built Rhodes 22 sailboats, puts 
them through their own restoration process and then puts them back on 
the market, will be considered by General Boats as a boat no longer in 
existence.

Further, with advice and consent of the Rhodes community, our board of 
directors, GB will franchise properly equipped local boat companies to 
Recycle and market used Rhodes with new boat guarantees. (I think 5 such 
local franchises in the Washington and Annapolis areas would be a good 
starting goal.)

And much more as may be required for maintaining the best interests of 
Rhodes buyers and owners.

stan



From mjm at michaelmeltzer.com  Wed May 29 14:19:21 2019
From: mjm at michaelmeltzer.com (michael meltzer)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 13:19:21 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] storm clouds
In-Reply-To: <3c8583be-91de-953e-2c3f-53a9dfef8673@generalboats.com>
References: <3c8583be-91de-953e-2c3f-53a9dfef8673@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <CAH-6moTwAR-sunqehM3satmWW5VnhnbD0oNkHYi77ayLTG9cCw@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry Stan, but "Original Ray's pizza" came to mind :-)

On Wed, May 29, 2019, 1:05 PM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:

>
> Thanks for all the on & off line, thoughtful responses.   I will reply
> to each in future emails as several are based on misinformation.   This
> "brief" focuses on Rhodes owners' "Self Interests".  The point being
> made herein is simple, factual and indisputable:
>
> The high value of your Rhodes is attributable to its historic 50 year
> run and to its continuing status as a boat in production.  The multiple
> reasons for your Rhodes outstanding value are powerful, extending all
> the way to your selling of your boat to a buyer who is financing; the
> purchase cost is lower but not at your expense. Lenders' rates are more
> attractive for boats in production.   Add to this:  Ongoing promoting of
> the Rhodes (boat shows, magazine, even book reviews).  Add to this
> ongoing innovations that keep the Rhodes the freshest of its competition
> in its sail and trail category.  Add to this marketing innovations: The
> introduction of recycled Rhodes, Rhodes that are reborn with the latest
> in new designs that enhance performance and come with new boat
> guarantees for peace of mind.  Other marketing innovations, like the GB
> Sweat Equity program, all broaden the market for your Rhodes 22 while
> giants like Catalina no longer even bring their 22s to boat show, this
> two tier economy so drastically having demoted sales of low end
> sailboats to second class citizens.
>
> Take away the cash flow that makes the above work for you and you take
> away the Rhodes remaining a boat in production.  We will fight like
> crazy to preserve your self interests; we ask you to support these efforts.
>
> Stating immediately:  A Rhodes purchased from an unauthorized Rhodes
> outlet that buys back General Boat's built Rhodes 22 sailboats, puts
> them through their own restoration process and then puts them back on
> the market, will be considered by General Boats as a boat no longer in
> existence.
>
> Further, with advice and consent of the Rhodes community, our board of
> directors, GB will franchise properly equipped local boat companies to
> Recycle and market used Rhodes with new boat guarantees. (I think 5 such
> local franchises in the Washington and Annapolis areas would be a good
> starting goal.)
>
> And much more as may be required for maintaining the best interests of
> Rhodes buyers and owners.
>
> stan
>
>
>

From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Wed May 29 14:26:53 2019
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 14:26:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] storm clouds
In-Reply-To: <3c8583be-91de-953e-2c3f-53a9dfef8673@generalboats.com>
References: <3c8583be-91de-953e-2c3f-53a9dfef8673@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <CABkv36Y1VRx2xHkENovcg4AbcD=x4EmGN7iZDfr5YmSeREAOfQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Stan,

I really like your idea for " GB (to) franchise properly equipped local
boat companies to
Recycle and market used Rhodes with new boat guarantees".  That might draw
your circle around Chris C. and I would like to nominate Sailing Inc. in
Cleveland and maybe their other locations.   http://thesailinginc.com/

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 2:05 PM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:

>
> Thanks for all the on & off line, thoughtful responses.   I will reply
> to each in future emails as several are based on misinformation.   This
> "brief" focuses on Rhodes owners' "Self Interests".  The point being
> made herein is simple, factual and indisputable:
>
> The high value of your Rhodes is attributable to its historic 50 year
> run and to its continuing status as a boat in production.  The multiple
> reasons for your Rhodes outstanding value are powerful, extending all
> the way to your selling of your boat to a buyer who is financing; the
> purchase cost is lower but not at your expense. Lenders' rates are more
> attractive for boats in production.   Add to this:  Ongoing promoting of
> the Rhodes (boat shows, magazine, even book reviews).  Add to this
> ongoing innovations that keep the Rhodes the freshest of its competition
> in its sail and trail category.  Add to this marketing innovations: The
> introduction of recycled Rhodes, Rhodes that are reborn with the latest
> in new designs that enhance performance and come with new boat
> guarantees for peace of mind.  Other marketing innovations, like the GB
> Sweat Equity program, all broaden the market for your Rhodes 22 while
> giants like Catalina no longer even bring their 22s to boat show, this
> two tier economy so drastically having demoted sales of low end
> sailboats to second class citizens.
>
> Take away the cash flow that makes the above work for you and you take
> away the Rhodes remaining a boat in production.  We will fight like
> crazy to preserve your self interests; we ask you to support these efforts.
>
> Stating immediately:  A Rhodes purchased from an unauthorized Rhodes
> outlet that buys back General Boat's built Rhodes 22 sailboats, puts
> them through their own restoration process and then puts them back on
> the market, will be considered by General Boats as a boat no longer in
> existence.
>
> Further, with advice and consent of the Rhodes community, our board of
> directors, GB will franchise properly equipped local boat companies to
> Recycle and market used Rhodes with new boat guarantees. (I think 5 such
> local franchises in the Washington and Annapolis areas would be a good
> starting goal.)
>
> And much more as may be required for maintaining the best interests of
> Rhodes buyers and owners.
>
> stan
>
>
>

From mcneelyd at site-solutions.com  Wed May 29 16:59:47 2019
From: mcneelyd at site-solutions.com (Dennis)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 16:59:47 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] storm clouds
In-Reply-To: <3c8583be-91de-953e-2c3f-53a9dfef8673@generalboats.com>
References: <3c8583be-91de-953e-2c3f-53a9dfef8673@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <70fa7122-d23d-85c9-87cc-84a56eae3b56@site-solutions.com>

Franchising - what an excellent idea Stan! I'm looking forward to seeing 
your plan play out in various coastal communities, including here on the 
North coast :)

Dennis McNeely
Magic Moments


On 5/29/2019 2:05 PM, stan wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the on & off line, thoughtful responses.?? I will reply 
> to each in future emails as several are based on misinformation.?? 
> This "brief" focuses on Rhodes owners' "Self Interests".? The point 
> being made herein is simple, factual and indisputable:
>
> The high value of your Rhodes is attributable to its historic 50 year 
> run and to its continuing status as a boat in production. The multiple 
> reasons for your Rhodes outstanding value are powerful, extending all 
> the way to your selling of your boat to a buyer who is financing; the 
> purchase cost is lower but not at your expense. Lenders' rates are 
> more attractive for boats in production. ? Add to this:? Ongoing 
> promoting of the Rhodes (boat shows, magazine, even book reviews).? 
> Add to this ongoing innovations that keep the Rhodes the freshest of 
> its competition in its sail and trail category.? Add to this marketing 
> innovations: The introduction of recycled Rhodes, Rhodes that are 
> reborn with the latest in new designs that enhance performance and 
> come with new boat guarantees for peace of mind.? Other marketing 
> innovations, like the GB Sweat Equity program, all broaden the market 
> for your Rhodes 22 while giants like Catalina no longer even bring 
> their 22s to boat show, this two tier economy so drastically having 
> demoted sales of low end sailboats to second class citizens.
>
> Take away the cash flow that makes the above work for you and you take 
> away the Rhodes remaining a boat in production.? We will fight like 
> crazy to preserve your self interests; we ask you to support these 
> efforts.
>
> Stating immediately:? A Rhodes purchased from an unauthorized Rhodes 
> outlet that buys back General Boat's built Rhodes 22 sailboats, puts 
> them through their own restoration process and then puts them back on 
> the market, will be considered by General Boats as a boat no longer in 
> existence.
>
> Further, with advice and consent of the Rhodes community, our board of 
> directors, GB will franchise properly equipped local boat companies to 
> Recycle and market used Rhodes with new boat guarantees. (I think 5 
> such local franchises in the Washington and Annapolis areas would be a 
> good starting goal.)
>
> And much more as may be required for maintaining the best interests of 
> Rhodes buyers and owners.
>
> stan
>
>
>

From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Wed May 29 22:45:41 2019
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 19:45:41 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] storm clouds
In-Reply-To: <3c8583be-91de-953e-2c3f-53a9dfef8673@generalboats.com>
References: <3c8583be-91de-953e-2c3f-53a9dfef8673@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <1559184341607-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

It is with sorrow I have read Da List.  I hesitate to open my
often-undiplomatic mouth.   

Stan, I have the greatest respect for you and the boat you build.   I will
continue to be a loyal customer as long as my certificate of support is
honored.   You have never let me down.     Please allow me to share some
concerns.    Not only is the webpage ancient, email intermittent, the
e-store imaginary, but even the 19th century standby, the telephone, is
unreliable.    In a next day Amazon world contacting you can take days (but
you went above and beyond to get me the loner tiller while you replaced the
failed one).   The age and unassuming atmosphere of your facility caused me
concern when first met you.    I relied heavily on the reputation you had
with your owners.   Quite frankly, I had the nagging pause when making the
deposit that I might have a devil of a time getting any money back if you
were incapacitated before delivery.
   
Your asset is the real estate and its potential for a future developer.    A
business is worth assets or production (blue sky).  No bank would loan
enough money to even move stockpiled materials and molds to a cheaper
location, let alone buy the plant at the price the property is reportedly
worth.    Any bank loan would be to haul the factory to the dump allowing
redevelopment.    Molds of several good boats sit molding around the
country, of no value to anyone.

I am at a loss on how the refit franchise would be of benefit to existing
shops.    Aside from the availability of custom components, if Stan?s phone
works, what is in it for them that they couldn?t do anyway?   How many
referrals could an interested shop expect per month?   How would Stan
maintain quality control?   I could see a future successor, with or without
Stan?s blessing, offering lessons, sales and refit services for a handful of
designs, hopefully including the R-22 as a crown jewel in its midsize
tailorable range.    On demand builds would be a dream come true, like
WIndrider does in the dinghy market.   Stan?s choice of location, protected
water near a ramp and marina but where hurricanes are rare, was brilliant. 
Perhaps the gentrified US market has evolved beyond industrial use of
property near water, except in the rustbelt. 

We all know the saying that the easiest way to make a small fortune in the
sailboat business is to start with a large fortune.   The middle class
leisure sailing market has sailed.   Gunboat failed to find profit in the
high end market.    I see no likely way for this business to long survive
Stan in its present form.    I understand the risks a business owner
undertakes, the hours and burden of responsibility it entails.  I have no
doubt that Stan was the last to get paid in bad times.  He put his heart and
engineering brain into every custom detail that makes this design so
special.    I am not an engineer and have no expertise in the sailing
industry.   In my own field I have accepted the staggering debt, liability
and responsibility for others? paychecks, with the uncertainty of eventual
resale in a corporate dominated world should I live to retire.
     
This 1960?s design has aged well.    To my knowledge there isn?t a similar
couples pocket cruiser / convenience oriented day sailor on the market.  
That isn?t to say that new European designs don?t offer vastly increased
performance or that far more luxury isn?t available if you don?t desire a
trailer launchable.    Aside from the experimental Catalina 25 conversion
project (done I suspect without the blessing of Catalina Yachts), the recent
energy of GB has been largely concentrated on its more trendy organic
agriculture division.    I fear the buggy whip division has folded entirely.

I may not be aware of exactly what Chris has done, but based on prior
conversation I believe his vision is to keep as many boats on the water as
possible in coming decades.   He  didn?t choose R-22 parts out of greed.   I
don?t have a dog in this fight.   I would applaud any way for this great
design to still be sailing when the Lark finally sees an estate sale.   

Alex Cole DVM




-----
Alex Cole
S/V Lark
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Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From shawn.sustain at gmail.com  Wed May 29 23:43:34 2019
From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 20:43:34 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] storm clouds
In-Reply-To: <1559184341607-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <3c8583be-91de-953e-2c3f-53a9dfef8673@generalboats.com>
 <1559184341607-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAMzGxuPiNPHuVrsHywEt53Oo9CeYyDNn8a2WWzbYG1qf_zMeAQ@mail.gmail.com>

Alex:

Well said. I too will stick with Stan as long as my certificate of support
functions. I willingly put up with communication difficulties because Stan
has always come through for me.

Stan, pay attention to Alex's analysis - it comports with the realities we
face.

Chris, I intend to keep Stan's wonderful boat in good condition. When  I
need anything from you I can't get from GB I'll let you know. Thanks for
providing options.


Bless Da List and all who care about the R22.


Cheers,

Shawn

s/v Sweet Baboo









 2019, 7:45 PM S/V Lark <Colealexander at hotmail.com> wrote:

> It is with sorrow I have read Da List.  I hesitate to open my
> often-undiplomatic mouth.
>
> Stan, I have the greatest respect for you and the boat you build.   I will
> continue to be a loyal customer as long as my certificate of support is
> honored.   You have never let me down.     Please allow me to share some
> concerns.    Not only is the webpage ancient, email intermittent, the
> e-store imaginary, but even the 19th century standby, the telephone, is
> unreliable.    In a next day Amazon world contacting you can take days (but
> you went above and beyond to get me the loner tiller while you replaced the
> failed one).   The age and unassuming atmosphere of your facility caused me
> concern when first met you.    I relied heavily on the reputation you had
> with your owners.   Quite frankly, I had the nagging pause when making the
> deposit that I might have a devil of a time getting any money back if you
> were incapacitated before delivery.
>
> Your asset is the real estate and its potential for a future developer.
> A
> business is worth assets or production (blue sky).  No bank would loan
> enough money to even move stockpiled materials and molds to a cheaper
> location, let alone buy the plant at the price the property is reportedly
> worth.    Any bank loan would be to haul the factory to the dump allowing
> redevelopment.    Molds of several good boats sit molding around the
> country, of no value to anyone.
>
> I am at a loss on how the refit franchise would be of benefit to existing
> shops.    Aside from the availability of custom components, if Stan?s phone
> works, what is in it for them that they couldn?t do anyway?   How many
> referrals could an interested shop expect per month?   How would Stan
> maintain quality control?   I could see a future successor, with or without
> Stan?s blessing, offering lessons, sales and refit services for a handful
> of
> designs, hopefully including the R-22 as a crown jewel in its midsize
> tailorable range.    On demand builds would be a dream come true, like
> WIndrider does in the dinghy market.   Stan?s choice of location, protected
> water near a ramp and marina but where hurricanes are rare, was brilliant.
> Perhaps the gentrified US market has evolved beyond industrial use of
> property near water, except in the rustbelt.
>
> We all know the saying that the easiest way to make a small fortune in the
> sailboat business is to start with a large fortune.   The middle class
> leisure sailing market has sailed.   Gunboat failed to find profit in the
> high end market.    I see no likely way for this business to long survive
> Stan in its present form.    I understand the risks a business owner
> undertakes, the hours and burden of responsibility it entails.  I have no
> doubt that Stan was the last to get paid in bad times.  He put his heart
> and
> engineering brain into every custom detail that makes this design so
> special.    I am not an engineer and have no expertise in the sailing
> industry.   In my own field I have accepted the staggering debt, liability
> and responsibility for others? paychecks, with the uncertainty of eventual
> resale in a corporate dominated world should I live to retire.
>
> This 1960?s design has aged well.    To my knowledge there isn?t a similar
> couples pocket cruiser / convenience oriented day sailor on the market.
> That isn?t to say that new European designs don?t offer vastly increased
> performance or that far more luxury isn?t available if you don?t desire a
> trailer launchable.    Aside from the experimental Catalina 25 conversion
> project (done I suspect without the blessing of Catalina Yachts), the
> recent
> energy of GB has been largely concentrated on its more trendy organic
> agriculture division.    I fear the buggy whip division has folded
> entirely.
>
> I may not be aware of exactly what Chris has done, but based on prior
> conversation I believe his vision is to keep as many boats on the water as
> possible in coming decades.   He  didn?t choose R-22 parts out of greed.
>  I
> don?t have a dog in this fight.   I would applaud any way for this great
> design to still be sailing when the Lark finally sees an estate sale.
>
> Alex Cole DVM
>
>
>
>
> -----
> Alex Cole
> S/V Lark
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From a_czerwonky at yahoo.com  Thu May 30 09:17:17 2019
From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 13:17:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] storm clouds
In-Reply-To: <1559184341607-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <3c8583be-91de-953e-2c3f-53a9dfef8673@generalboats.com>
 <1559184341607-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1907283740.1434749.1559222237389@mail.yahoo.com>

Well put, Alex.??Art

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 10:45 PM, S/V Lark<Colealexander at hotmail.com> wrote:   It is with sorrow I have read Da List.? I hesitate to open my
often-undiplomatic mouth.? 

Stan, I have the greatest respect for you and the boat you build.? I will
continue to be a loyal customer as long as my certificate of support is
honored.? You have never let me down.? ? Please allow me to share some
concerns.? ? Not only is the webpage ancient, email intermittent, the
e-store imaginary, but even the 19th century standby, the telephone, is
unreliable.? ? In a next day Amazon world contacting you can take days (but
you went above and beyond to get me the loner tiller while you replaced the
failed one).? The age and unassuming atmosphere of your facility caused me
concern when first met you.? ? I relied heavily on the reputation you had
with your owners.? Quite frankly, I had the nagging pause when making the
deposit that I might have a devil of a time getting any money back if you
were incapacitated before delivery.
? 
Your asset is the real estate and its potential for a future developer.? ? A
business is worth assets or production (blue sky).? No bank would loan
enough money to even move stockpiled materials and molds to a cheaper
location, let alone buy the plant at the price the property is reportedly
worth.? ? Any bank loan would be to haul the factory to the dump allowing
redevelopment.? ? Molds of several good boats sit molding around the
country, of no value to anyone.

I am at a loss on how the refit franchise would be of benefit to existing
shops.? ? Aside from the availability of custom components, if Stan?s phone
works, what is in it for them that they couldn?t do anyway?? How many
referrals could an interested shop expect per month?? How would Stan
maintain quality control?? I could see a future successor, with or without
Stan?s blessing, offering lessons, sales and refit services for a handful of
designs, hopefully including the R-22 as a crown jewel in its midsize
tailorable range.? ? On demand builds would be a dream come true, like
WIndrider does in the dinghy market.? Stan?s choice of location, protected
water near a ramp and marina but where hurricanes are rare, was brilliant. 
Perhaps the gentrified US market has evolved beyond industrial use of
property near water, except in the rustbelt. 

We all know the saying that the easiest way to make a small fortune in the
sailboat business is to start with a large fortune.? The middle class
leisure sailing market has sailed.? Gunboat failed to find profit in the
high end market.? ? I see no likely way for this business to long survive
Stan in its present form.? ? I understand the risks a business owner
undertakes, the hours and burden of responsibility it entails.? I have no
doubt that Stan was the last to get paid in bad times.? He put his heart and
engineering brain into every custom detail that makes this design so
special.? ? I am not an engineer and have no expertise in the sailing
industry.? In my own field I have accepted the staggering debt, liability
and responsibility for others? paychecks, with the uncertainty of eventual
resale in a corporate dominated world should I live to retire.
? ? 
This 1960?s design has aged well.? ? To my knowledge there isn?t a similar
couples pocket cruiser / convenience oriented day sailor on the market.? 
That isn?t to say that new European designs don?t offer vastly increased
performance or that far more luxury isn?t available if you don?t desire a
trailer launchable.? ? Aside from the experimental Catalina 25 conversion
project (done I suspect without the blessing of Catalina Yachts), the recent
energy of GB has been largely concentrated on its more trendy organic
agriculture division.? ? I fear the buggy whip division has folded entirely.

I may not be aware of exactly what Chris has done, but based on prior
conversation I believe his vision is to keep as many boats on the water as
possible in coming decades.? He? didn?t choose R-22 parts out of greed.? I
don?t have a dog in this fight.? I would applaud any way for this great
design to still be sailing when the Lark finally sees an estate sale.? 

Alex Cole DVM




-----
Alex Cole
S/V Lark
--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/  

From chcarreon at cox.net  Fri May 31 14:31:54 2019
From: chcarreon at cox.net (chuy carreon)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 14:31:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] storm clouds
In-Reply-To: <CAMzGxuPiNPHuVrsHywEt53Oo9CeYyDNn8a2WWzbYG1qf_zMeAQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3c8583be-91de-953e-2c3f-53a9dfef8673@generalboats.com>
 <1559184341607-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CAMzGxuPiNPHuVrsHywEt53Oo9CeYyDNn8a2WWzbYG1qf_zMeAQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <167657127.595288.1559327514220@myemail.cox.net>

Hi All,
 Chuy from Arizona, AfterMath, 1987.  My rudder blade developed some cracks and is now water logged.  Any ideas, repair, buy used, buy new.  Looked at posts on line but did not find any posts on repairing the rudder blade.

Thanks
Chuy Carreon
AfterMath ( Sea Prompt ) 1987

From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Fri May 31 14:48:20 2019
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 14:48:20 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Buying new sails
In-Reply-To: <167657127.595288.1559327514220@myemail.cox.net>
References: <3c8583be-91de-953e-2c3f-53a9dfef8673@generalboats.com>
 <1559184341607-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CAMzGxuPiNPHuVrsHywEt53Oo9CeYyDNn8a2WWzbYG1qf_zMeAQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <167657127.595288.1559327514220@myemail.cox.net>
Message-ID: <BF894B59-F0FA-4F3B-A38C-2874AE7E9040@gmail.com>

Rhodes Colleagues,

My North sails are pretty old and in need of replacement.  Any suggestions on where to buy new ones for a Rhodes 22, and how best to install them?  Are North sails the best choice?  

Thanks,

Frank

Frank Goldsmith
S/V ?Mary Bess? 
Lake Keowee, SC



From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Fri May 31 15:00:55 2019
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 19:00:55 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Buying new sails
In-Reply-To: <BF894B59-F0FA-4F3B-A38C-2874AE7E9040@gmail.com>
References: <3c8583be-91de-953e-2c3f-53a9dfef8673@generalboats.com>
 <1559184341607-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CAMzGxuPiNPHuVrsHywEt53Oo9CeYyDNn8a2WWzbYG1qf_zMeAQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <167657127.595288.1559327514220@myemail.cox.net>,
 <BF894B59-F0FA-4F3B-A38C-2874AE7E9040@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <28337A3D-66FC-4C89-982C-3592480902A8@cowieassociates.com>

Doyle is the preferred sail for the r22.


Please note our new office address and phone number

Christopher P. Cowie  [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]   [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]

700 N Fairfax Street<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
Suite 304<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
Alexandria, Virginia 22314<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
703.717.9103<tel:703.717.9103> ex.204 ? 202.270.1470<tel:202.270.1470> mobile
[ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]

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Please consider the environment before printing this email.


On May 31, 2019, at 2:48 PM, Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com<mailto:goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>> wrote:

Rhodes Colleagues,

My North sails are pretty old and in need of replacement.  Any suggestions on where to buy new ones for a Rhodes 22, and how best to install them?  Are North sails the best choice?

Thanks,

Frank

Frank Goldsmith
S/V ?Mary Bess?
Lake Keowee, SC



From jose.faraldo at gmail.com  Fri May 31 15:20:45 2019
From: jose.faraldo at gmail.com (Faraldo-Gomez, Jose (NIH/NHLBI) [E])
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 15:20:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Buying new sails
In-Reply-To: <28337A3D-66FC-4C89-982C-3592480902A8@cowieassociates.com>
References: <3c8583be-91de-953e-2c3f-53a9dfef8673@generalboats.com>
 <1559184341607-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CAMzGxuPiNPHuVrsHywEt53Oo9CeYyDNn8a2WWzbYG1qf_zMeAQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <167657127.595288.1559327514220@myemail.cox.net>
 <BF894B59-F0FA-4F3B-A38C-2874AE7E9040@gmail.com>
 <28337A3D-66FC-4C89-982C-3592480902A8@cowieassociates.com>
Message-ID: <E2DBE5F7-CB85-4F9C-8056-E665F0A58A0A@gmail.com>

Frank, 

 

If you?re interested in a 175 jib, I have one in good condition. I don?t have much storage space so I?m very eager to sell it.

 

Jos?

 

From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Date: Friday, May 31, 2019 at 3:01 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Buying new sails

 

Doyle is the preferred sail for the r22.

 

 

Please note our new office address and phone number

 

Christopher P. Cowie  [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]   [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]

 

700 N Fairfax Street<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>

Suite 304<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>

Alexandria, Virginia 22314<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>

703.717.9103<tel:703.717.9103> ex.204 ? 202.270.1470<tel:202.270.1470> mobile

[ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]

 

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Please consider the environment before printing this email.

 

 

On May 31, 2019, at 2:48 PM, Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com<mailto:goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>> wrote:

 

Rhodes Colleagues,

 

My North sails are pretty old and in need of replacement.  Any suggestions on where to buy new ones for a Rhodes 22, and how best to install them?  Are North sails the best choice?

 

Thanks,

 

Frank

 

Frank Goldsmith

S/V ?Mary Bess?

Lake Keowee, SC

 

 

 


From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Fri May 31 15:27:42 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 21:27:42 +0200
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing the Med part dux (as in Ducks)
Message-ID: <CADNTwiVwcnwovO2UW6A3vp-au7yU1VeCzOvGG4pD1EyORrFrtA@mail.gmail.com>

Well I arrived a couple of days ago and found the boat fine if a bit
covered in volcanic dust.  But that is to be expected when the "boat yard"
is part way up the side of a dormant volcano (I hope) on the island of
Ischia in the Bay of Naples.  There is about a week's worth of work to do.
I was planning to have the hull painted but there isn't time so I'll settle
for the "a pealing" look instead.  I am really looking forward to this
segment of the trip because it will mark the 50th anniversary of my first
long trip in a small boat.  Back then it was an 18'wooden lightning  and
involved sailing to Sicily then to the heel of Italy and over to Greece.
Well I was young and bit crazy to attempt something like that then; being
much more mature and experienced, I'm doing it in a Rhodes, a whole 4'
longer!  Plus it doesn't leak and I don't have to sleep outside.  Oh and
the best thing is I get to do this trip with my wife.The trip from
Barcelona was fun but I think this will be even more so.  I'll keep you all
posted and send along a few pics too.  I am glad I can share this trip with
an appreciative audience and one so knowledgeable.  This boat really is a
magic carpet.  Attached is a view from my BnB, one that shows (if you
enlarge it a bit)  The penultimate island I visited on the Rhodes last
year, Ventotene (25nm) and just behind it Ponza (almost 50nm).  A clear day
today.

Chris Geankoplis
S/V ENOSIS
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From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Fri May 31 15:31:23 2019
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 15:31:23 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Buying new sails
In-Reply-To: <28337A3D-66FC-4C89-982C-3592480902A8@cowieassociates.com>
References: <3c8583be-91de-953e-2c3f-53a9dfef8673@generalboats.com>
 <1559184341607-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CAMzGxuPiNPHuVrsHywEt53Oo9CeYyDNn8a2WWzbYG1qf_zMeAQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <167657127.595288.1559327514220@myemail.cox.net>
 <BF894B59-F0FA-4F3B-A38C-2874AE7E9040@gmail.com>
 <28337A3D-66FC-4C89-982C-3592480902A8@cowieassociates.com>
Message-ID: <4DE9898E-66E7-43FF-A498-B1DC4B800C7D@gmail.com>

Thanks, Chris.  I?m not where my boat is at the moment and couldn?t remember what I have!  I suppose it?s Doyle.  I may have been thinking of a keelboat I used to have at the coast.  

> On May 31, 2019, at 3:00 PM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com> wrote:
> 
> Doyle is the preferred sail for the r22.
> 
> 
> Please note our new office address and phone number
> 
> Christopher P. Cowie  [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]   [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
> 
> 700 N Fairfax Street<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> Suite 304<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> Alexandria, Virginia 22314<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> 703.717.9103<tel:703.717.9103> ex.204 ? 202.270.1470<tel:202.270.1470> mobile
> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
> 
> [cid:image001.jpg at 01D24014.7A2D04E0]
> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
> 
> 
> On May 31, 2019, at 2:48 PM, Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com<mailto:goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Rhodes Colleagues,
> 
> My North sails are pretty old and in need of replacement.  Any suggestions on where to buy new ones for a Rhodes 22, and how best to install them?  Are North sails the best choice?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Frank
> 
> Frank Goldsmith
> S/V ?Mary Bess?
> Lake Keowee, SC
> 
> 


From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Fri May 31 15:42:42 2019
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 15:42:42 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing the Med part dux (as in Ducks)
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiVwcnwovO2UW6A3vp-au7yU1VeCzOvGG4pD1EyORrFrtA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiVwcnwovO2UW6A3vp-au7yU1VeCzOvGG4pD1EyORrFrtA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FDF8EB9E-3A5C-4D86-8432-912620C296E6@stottarchitecture.com>

We all look forward to your journey Chris. 
Ric 
sv Dadventure 
Hampton Bays 

Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
www.stottarchitecture.com
Office	631-283-1777
Cell		516-965-3164 





> On May 31, 2019, at 3:27 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Well I arrived a couple of days ago and found the boat fine if a bit
> covered in volcanic dust.  But that is to be expected when the "boat yard"
> is part way up the side of a dormant volcano (I hope) on the island of
> Ischia in the Bay of Naples.  There is about a week's worth of work to do.
> I was planning to have the hull painted but there isn't time so I'll settle
> for the "a pealing" look instead.  I am really looking forward to this
> segment of the trip because it will mark the 50th anniversary of my first
> long trip in a small boat.  Back then it was an 18'wooden lightning  and
> involved sailing to Sicily then to the heel of Italy and over to Greece.
> Well I was young and bit crazy to attempt something like that then; being
> much more mature and experienced, I'm doing it in a Rhodes, a whole 4'
> longer!  Plus it doesn't leak and I don't have to sleep outside.  Oh and
> the best thing is I get to do this trip with my wife.The trip from
> Barcelona was fun but I think this will be even more so.  I'll keep you all
> posted and send along a few pics too.  I am glad I can share this trip with
> an appreciative audience and one so knowledgeable.  This boat really is a
> magic carpet.  Attached is a view from my BnB, one that shows (if you
> enlarge it a bit)  The penultimate island I visited on the Rhodes last
> year, Ventotene (25nm) and just behind it Ponza (almost 50nm).  A clear day
> today.
> 
> Chris Geankoplis
> S/V ENOSIS
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From rodellner at mac.com  Fri May 31 15:56:51 2019
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 14:56:51 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing the Med part dux (as in Ducks)
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiVwcnwovO2UW6A3vp-au7yU1VeCzOvGG4pD1EyORrFrtA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiVwcnwovO2UW6A3vp-au7yU1VeCzOvGG4pD1EyORrFrtA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2FE3771A-83B4-4F6D-8828-7B6770F401A6@mac.com>

Chris

We are all sailing vicariously through you two??..how special that this is a 50th anniversary of another great adventure!   

Rod/Mary
Wisconsin
> On May 31, 2019, at 2:27 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Well I arrived a couple of days ago and found the boat fine if a bit
> covered in volcanic dust.  But that is to be expected when the "boat yard"
> is part way up the side of a dormant volcano (I hope) on the island of
> Ischia in the Bay of Naples.  There is about a week's worth of work to do.
> I was planning to have the hull painted but there isn't time so I'll settle
> for the "a pealing" look instead.  I am really looking forward to this
> segment of the trip because it will mark the 50th anniversary of my first
> long trip in a small boat.  Back then it was an 18'wooden lightning  and
> involved sailing to Sicily then to the heel of Italy and over to Greece.
> Well I was young and bit crazy to attempt something like that then; being
> much more mature and experienced, I'm doing it in a Rhodes, a whole 4'
> longer!  Plus it doesn't leak and I don't have to sleep outside.  Oh and
> the best thing is I get to do this trip with my wife.The trip from
> Barcelona was fun but I think this will be even more so.  I'll keep you all
> posted and send along a few pics too.  I am glad I can share this trip with
> an appreciative audience and one so knowledgeable.  This boat really is a
> magic carpet.  Attached is a view from my BnB, one that shows (if you
> enlarge it a bit)  The penultimate island I visited on the Rhodes last
> year, Ventotene (25nm) and just behind it Ponza (almost 50nm).  A clear day
> today.
> 
> Chris Geankoplis
> S/V ENOSIS
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Fri May 31 15:59:06 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 21:59:06 +0200
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing the Med part dux (as in Ducks)
In-Reply-To: <FDF8EB9E-3A5C-4D86-8432-912620C296E6@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <CADNTwiVwcnwovO2UW6A3vp-au7yU1VeCzOvGG4pD1EyORrFrtA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CADNTwiWU2hd1y1Vtg2Sojkrid3wbt4Qjf0WnS2YOJL6gQnXeOA@mail.gmail.com>

I've  enjoyed everyone's post about their sailing adventures, seems like I
need to contribute too.  Always better to give than receive, wait a minute,
not always true about R22 stories.

Chris G

On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 9:42 PM Richard Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
wrote:

> We all look forward to your journey Chris.
> Ric
> sv Dadventure
> Hampton Bays
>
> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> www.stottarchitecture.com
> Office  631-283-1777
> Cell            516-965-3164
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 31, 2019, at 3:27 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Well I arrived a couple of days ago and found the boat fine if a bit
> > covered in volcanic dust.  But that is to be expected when the "boat
> yard"
> > is part way up the side of a dormant volcano (I hope) on the island of
> > Ischia in the Bay of Naples.  There is about a week's worth of work to
> do.
> > I was planning to have the hull painted but there isn't time so I'll
> settle
> > for the "a pealing" look instead.  I am really looking forward to this
> > segment of the trip because it will mark the 50th anniversary of my first
> > long trip in a small boat.  Back then it was an 18'wooden lightning  and
> > involved sailing to Sicily then to the heel of Italy and over to Greece.
> > Well I was young and bit crazy to attempt something like that then; being
> > much more mature and experienced, I'm doing it in a Rhodes, a whole 4'
> > longer!  Plus it doesn't leak and I don't have to sleep outside.  Oh and
> > the best thing is I get to do this trip with my wife.The trip from
> > Barcelona was fun but I think this will be even more so.  I'll keep you
> all
> > posted and send along a few pics too.  I am glad I can share this trip
> with
> > an appreciative audience and one so knowledgeable.  This boat really is a
> > magic carpet.  Attached is a view from my BnB, one that shows (if you
> > enlarge it a bit)  The penultimate island I visited on the Rhodes last
> > year, Ventotene (25nm) and just behind it Ponza (almost 50nm).  A clear
> day
> > today.
> >
> > Chris Geankoplis
> > S/V ENOSIS
> > -------------- next part --------------
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> >
>
>

From chcarreon at cox.net  Fri May 31 16:04:21 2019
From: chcarreon at cox.net (chuy carreon)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 16:04:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] storm clouds
In-Reply-To: <167657127.595288.1559327514220@myemail.cox.net>
References: <3c8583be-91de-953e-2c3f-53a9dfef8673@generalboats.com>
 <1559184341607-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CAMzGxuPiNPHuVrsHywEt53Oo9CeYyDNn8a2WWzbYG1qf_zMeAQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <167657127.595288.1559327514220@myemail.cox.net>
Message-ID: <683935979.597045.1559333062086@myemail.cox.net>


> On May 31, 2019 at 2:31 PM chuy carreon <chcarreon at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi All,
>  Chuy from Arizona, AfterMath, 1987.  My rudder blade developed some cracks and is now water logged.  Any ideas, repair, buy used, buy new.  Looked at posts on line but did not find any posts on repairing the rudder blade.
> 
> Thanks
> Chuy Carreon
> AfterMath ( Sea Prompt ) 1987

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Fri May 31 16:22:51 2019
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 16:22:51 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] storm clouds
In-Reply-To: <167657127.595288.1559327514220@myemail.cox.net>
References: <3c8583be-91de-953e-2c3f-53a9dfef8673@generalboats.com>
 <1559184341607-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CAMzGxuPiNPHuVrsHywEt53Oo9CeYyDNn8a2WWzbYG1qf_zMeAQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <167657127.595288.1559327514220@myemail.cox.net>
Message-ID: <00bb01d517ee$a1e54470$e5afcd50$@ca>

Chuy:
I just refurbished my rudder. I hadn't cracked but it had osmpsis and I discovered substantial voids in its core. I was worried about water working its way in and then freezing. I expect that freezing is the last of your worries in Arizona but the cracks suggest voids to me. You can find voids by tapping on the rudder with the butt end of a wood-handled screwdriver. When you think you have found a void drill two holes at either side of the void. If there is any hint of moisture inside the rudder you will need to let it dry thoroughly. That might mean drilling more holes and pumping air through the core with your shop vac. 

Once you are sure that the core is dry inject slightly thickened epoxy into one hole until it comes out the second hole. when that is taken care of you can repair the cracks by digging them out and filling with thickened epoxy. I covered the rudder with six coats of Interlux barrier coating 2000 and antifouling paint.


Graham Stewart
Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
Kingston Ontario



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of chuy carreon
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 2:32 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List; Shawn Boles
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] storm clouds

Hi All,
 Chuy from Arizona, AfterMath, 1987.  My rudder blade developed some cracks and is now water logged.  Any ideas, repair, buy used, buy new.  Looked at posts on line but did not find any posts on repairing the rudder blade.

Thanks
Chuy Carreon
AfterMath ( Sea Prompt ) 1987


From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Fri May 31 16:38:54 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 22:38:54 +0200
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing the Med part dux (as in Ducks)
In-Reply-To: <2FE3771A-83B4-4F6D-8828-7B6770F401A6@mac.com>
References: <CADNTwiVwcnwovO2UW6A3vp-au7yU1VeCzOvGG4pD1EyORrFrtA@mail.gmail.com>
 <2FE3771A-83B4-4F6D-8828-7B6770F401A6@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiXc5MP+D25zcvQofrSzWueUJosS7avMM5_iKEx+L8xUog@mail.gmail.com>

It is special, but everything is so wrinkly and baggy, I'm talking 'bout
the sails on the boat here. (grin)

On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 9:56 PM Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Chris
>
> We are all sailing vicariously through you two??..how special that this is
> a 50th anniversary of another great adventure!
>
> Rod/Mary
> Wisconsin
> > On May 31, 2019, at 2:27 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Well I arrived a couple of days ago and found the boat fine if a bit
> > covered in volcanic dust.  But that is to be expected when the "boat
> yard"
> > is part way up the side of a dormant volcano (I hope) on the island of
> > Ischia in the Bay of Naples.  There is about a week's worth of work to
> do.
> > I was planning to have the hull painted but there isn't time so I'll
> settle
> > for the "a pealing" look instead.  I am really looking forward to this
> > segment of the trip because it will mark the 50th anniversary of my first
> > long trip in a small boat.  Back then it was an 18'wooden lightning  and
> > involved sailing to Sicily then to the heel of Italy and over to Greece.
> > Well I was young and bit crazy to attempt something like that then; being
> > much more mature and experienced, I'm doing it in a Rhodes, a whole 4'
> > longer!  Plus it doesn't leak and I don't have to sleep outside.  Oh and
> > the best thing is I get to do this trip with my wife.The trip from
> > Barcelona was fun but I think this will be even more so.  I'll keep you
> all
> > posted and send along a few pics too.  I am glad I can share this trip
> with
> > an appreciative audience and one so knowledgeable.  This boat really is a
> > magic carpet.  Attached is a view from my BnB, one that shows (if you
> > enlarge it a bit)  The penultimate island I visited on the Rhodes last
> > year, Ventotene (25nm) and just behind it Ponza (almost 50nm).  A clear
> day
> > today.
> >
> > Chris Geankoplis
> > S/V ENOSIS
> > -------------- next part --------------
> > A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
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> > Size: 758641 bytes
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> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190531/825e30b6/attachment.jpe
> >
>
>
>

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Fri May 31 16:56:16 2019
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 16:56:16 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Buying new sails
In-Reply-To: <28337A3D-66FC-4C89-982C-3592480902A8@cowieassociates.com>
References: <3c8583be-91de-953e-2c3f-53a9dfef8673@generalboats.com>
 <1559184341607-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CAMzGxuPiNPHuVrsHywEt53Oo9CeYyDNn8a2WWzbYG1qf_zMeAQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <167657127.595288.1559327514220@myemail.cox.net>
 <BF894B59-F0FA-4F3B-A38C-2874AE7E9040@gmail.com>
 <28337A3D-66FC-4C89-982C-3592480902A8@cowieassociates.com>
Message-ID: <75D19ED6-4AE4-40B5-A87A-7390FE3E04A8@sunnybeeches.com>

If you?re going to go with Doyle, I?d suggest you contact Chris Howes in the Salem, MA loft.  (chowes at doylesails.com <mailto:chowes at doylesails.com>).

Over this past winter, I replaced my obviously beat 175% genoa with a 135% genoa and a UPS.  I initially tried contacting a couple of closer lofts via email, and got no response from either.  I then emailed a general Doyle contact address, and Chris responded quickly.  I believe he said at some point that he?s the official Doyle contact for the Rhodes 22.  

My boat isn?t in the water yet, so I can?t comment on the new sails other than to say they look nice.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)


> On May 31, 2019, at 3:00 PM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com> wrote:
> 
> Doyle is the preferred sail for the r22.
> 
> 
> Please note our new office address and phone number
> 
> Christopher P. Cowie  [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]   [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
> 
> 700 N Fairfax Street<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> Suite 304<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> Alexandria, Virginia 22314<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> 703.717.9103<tel:703.717.9103> ex.204 ? 202.270.1470<tel:202.270.1470> mobile
> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
> 
> [cid:image001.jpg at 01D24014.7A2D04E0]
> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
> 
> 
> On May 31, 2019, at 2:48 PM, Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com<mailto:goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Rhodes Colleagues,
> 
> My North sails are pretty old and in need of replacement.  Any suggestions on where to buy new ones for a Rhodes 22, and how best to install them?  Are North sails the best choice?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Frank
> 
> Frank Goldsmith
> S/V ?Mary Bess?
> Lake Keowee, SC
> 
> 


From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Fri May 31 17:26:17 2019
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 21:26:17 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Buying new sails
In-Reply-To: <75D19ED6-4AE4-40B5-A87A-7390FE3E04A8@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <3c8583be-91de-953e-2c3f-53a9dfef8673@generalboats.com>
 <1559184341607-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CAMzGxuPiNPHuVrsHywEt53Oo9CeYyDNn8a2WWzbYG1qf_zMeAQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <167657127.595288.1559327514220@myemail.cox.net>
 <BF894B59-F0FA-4F3B-A38C-2874AE7E9040@gmail.com>
 <28337A3D-66FC-4C89-982C-3592480902A8@cowieassociates.com>,
 <75D19ED6-4AE4-40B5-A87A-7390FE3E04A8@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <B0637A26-5E8C-4240-9035-9B832CF24B06@cowieassociates.com>

Chris will know what you need.


Please note our new office address and phone number

Christopher P. Cowie  [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]   [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]

700 N Fairfax Street<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
Suite 304<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
Alexandria, Virginia 22314<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
703.717.9103<tel:703.717.9103> ex.204 ? 202.270.1470<tel:202.270.1470> mobile
[ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]

[cid:image001.jpg at 01D24014.7A2D04E0]
Please consider the environment before printing this email.


On May 31, 2019, at 4:56 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com<mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>> wrote:

If you?re going to go with Doyle, I?d suggest you contact Chris Howes in the Salem, MA loft.  (chowes at doylesails.com<mailto:chowes at doylesails.com> <mailto:chowes at doylesails.com>).

Over this past winter, I replaced my obviously beat 175% genoa with a 135% genoa and a UPS.  I initially tried contacting a couple of closer lofts via email, and got no response from either.  I then emailed a general Doyle contact address, and Chris responded quickly.  I believe he said at some point that he?s the official Doyle contact for the Rhodes 22.

My boat isn?t in the water yet, so I can?t comment on the new sails other than to say they look nice.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)


On May 31, 2019, at 3:00 PM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>> wrote:

Doyle is the preferred sail for the r22.


Please note our new office address and phone number

Christopher P. Cowie  [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]   [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]

700 N Fairfax Street<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
Suite 304<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
Alexandria, Virginia 22314<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
703.717.9103<tel:703.717.9103> ex.204 ? 202.270.1470<tel:202.270.1470> mobile
[ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com><mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]

[cid:image001.jpg at 01D24014.7A2D04E0]
Please consider the environment before printing this email.


On May 31, 2019, at 2:48 PM, Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com<mailto:goldsmith.cf at gmail.com><mailto:goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>> wrote:

Rhodes Colleagues,

My North sails are pretty old and in need of replacement.  Any suggestions on where to buy new ones for a Rhodes 22, and how best to install them?  Are North sails the best choice?

Thanks,

Frank

Frank Goldsmith
S/V ?Mary Bess?
Lake Keowee, SC




From snstaum at gmail.com  Fri May 31 17:33:50 2019
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 17:33:50 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Buying new sails
In-Reply-To: <BF894B59-F0FA-4F3B-A38C-2874AE7E9040@gmail.com>
References: <3c8583be-91de-953e-2c3f-53a9dfef8673@generalboats.com>
 <1559184341607-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CAMzGxuPiNPHuVrsHywEt53Oo9CeYyDNn8a2WWzbYG1qf_zMeAQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <167657127.595288.1559327514220@myemail.cox.net>
 <BF894B59-F0FA-4F3B-A38C-2874AE7E9040@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOo_FjcaQH=vZ0T-RyQOc=jM_ALf91gFEStFwafxgW_Qpmo=7A@mail.gmail.com>

Doyle in East Greenwich, RI has made 3 sails for my Rhodes 22.  2 Genoas
(175 and 130) and a new IMF main.  They do a great job and are timely.


*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Carol Lee 2*
*1983 Rhodes 22*

*Needham, MA*


On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 2:48 PM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Rhodes Colleagues,
>
> My North sails are pretty old and in need of replacement.  Any suggestions
> on where to buy new ones for a Rhodes 22, and how best to install them?
> Are North sails the best choice?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Frank
>
> Frank Goldsmith
> S/V ?Mary Bess?
> Lake Keowee, SC
>
>
>

From jose.faraldo at gmail.com  Fri May 31 17:39:36 2019
From: jose.faraldo at gmail.com (Jose Faraldo-Gomez)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 17:39:36 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Buying new sails
In-Reply-To: <CAOo_FjcaQH=vZ0T-RyQOc=jM_ALf91gFEStFwafxgW_Qpmo=7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3c8583be-91de-953e-2c3f-53a9dfef8673@generalboats.com>
 <1559184341607-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CAMzGxuPiNPHuVrsHywEt53Oo9CeYyDNn8a2WWzbYG1qf_zMeAQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <167657127.595288.1559327514220@myemail.cox.net>
 <BF894B59-F0FA-4F3B-A38C-2874AE7E9040@gmail.com>
 <CAOo_FjcaQH=vZ0T-RyQOc=jM_ALf91gFEStFwafxgW_Qpmo=7A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AF5870B5-9106-445D-B086-5BC80CB7D1C6@gmail.com>

Do you recall the cost for each?

Jose

> On May 31, 2019, at 5:33 PM, Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Doyle in East Greenwich, RI has made 3 sails for my Rhodes 22.  2 Genoas
> (175 and 130) and a new IMF main.  They do a great job and are timely.
> 
> 
> *Stephen Staum*
> *s/v Carol Lee 2*
> *1983 Rhodes 22*
> 
> *Needham, MA*
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 2:48 PM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Rhodes Colleagues,
>> 
>> My North sails are pretty old and in need of replacement.  Any suggestions
>> on where to buy new ones for a Rhodes 22, and how best to install them?
>> Are North sails the best choice?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Frank
>> 
>> Frank Goldsmith
>> S/V ?Mary Bess?
>> Lake Keowee, SC
>> 
>> 
>> 

From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com  Fri May 31 17:46:31 2019
From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 17:46:31 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing the Med part dux (as in Ducks)
In-Reply-To: <2FE3771A-83B4-4F6D-8828-7B6770F401A6@mac.com>
References: <CADNTwiVwcnwovO2UW6A3vp-au7yU1VeCzOvGG4pD1EyORrFrtA@mail.gmail.com>
 <2FE3771A-83B4-4F6D-8828-7B6770F401A6@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BFE35BB0-414E-4303-9E06-287ED1076D08@gmail.com>

I love the magic carpet analogy.  Sooo true!
Thanks for the pictures.

Bob (palatka)

> On May 31, 2019, at 3:56 PM, Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> Chris
> 
> We are all sailing vicariously through you two??..how special that this is a 50th anniversary of another great adventure!   
> 
> Rod/Mary
> Wisconsin
>> On May 31, 2019, at 2:27 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Well I arrived a couple of days ago and found the boat fine if a bit
>> covered in volcanic dust.  But that is to be expected when the "boat yard"
>> is part way up the side of a dormant volcano (I hope) on the island of
>> Ischia in the Bay of Naples.  There is about a week's worth of work to do.
>> I was planning to have the hull painted but there isn't time so I'll settle
>> for the "a pealing" look instead.  I am really looking forward to this
>> segment of the trip because it will mark the 50th anniversary of my first
>> long trip in a small boat.  Back then it was an 18'wooden lightning  and
>> involved sailing to Sicily then to the heel of Italy and over to Greece.
>> Well I was young and bit crazy to attempt something like that then; being
>> much more mature and experienced, I'm doing it in a Rhodes, a whole 4'
>> longer!  Plus it doesn't leak and I don't have to sleep outside.  Oh and
>> the best thing is I get to do this trip with my wife.The trip from
>> Barcelona was fun but I think this will be even more so.  I'll keep you all
>> posted and send along a few pics too.  I am glad I can share this trip with
>> an appreciative audience and one so knowledgeable.  This boat really is a
>> magic carpet.  Attached is a view from my BnB, one that shows (if you
>> enlarge it a bit)  The penultimate island I visited on the Rhodes last
>> year, Ventotene (25nm) and just behind it Ponza (almost 50nm).  A clear day
>> today.
>> 
>> Chris Geankoplis
>> S/V ENOSIS
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
>> Name: IMG_5031[1].JPG
>> Type: image/jpeg
>> Size: 758641 bytes
>> Desc: not available
>> URL: <http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190531/825e30b6/attachment.jpe>
> 
> 

From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com  Fri May 31 18:21:27 2019
From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 18:21:27 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Buying new sails
In-Reply-To: <CAOo_FjcaQH=vZ0T-RyQOc=jM_ALf91gFEStFwafxgW_Qpmo=7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3c8583be-91de-953e-2c3f-53a9dfef8673@generalboats.com>
 <1559184341607-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CAMzGxuPiNPHuVrsHywEt53Oo9CeYyDNn8a2WWzbYG1qf_zMeAQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <167657127.595288.1559327514220@myemail.cox.net>
 <BF894B59-F0FA-4F3B-A38C-2874AE7E9040@gmail.com>
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Stan:  I know this question has been asked but what IS the plan? Inquiring minds want to know!  Every business has a 10 year plan.  

You have so many people here that would help your legacy live on providing ?magic carpet? rides for decades to come!  The design still works!!  Let us carry this torch.  When the millenials all wake up (;-/) and realize they want a boat thats EASY to sail they will need new ones because they certainly wont work to fix an old one.

When the rest of the world went multihull you opened an organic food store and played around with a Catalina 25 (cool yes, but scary to your Loyal Rhodies). But there is still a lure for a monohull, that tiller in hand ...a fresh breeze, taught sails, and an exhilirating heel!  Monohulls arent finished yet. 
Alex has some very well spoken points that i agree with!  
I hope you hear us.  No one wants to harm your income or steal from your family.  But how do you plan to carry forward after you turn 120?



> On May 31, 2019, at 5:33 PM, Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Doyle in East Greenwich, RI has made 3 sails for my Rhodes 22.  2 Genoas
> (175 and 130) and a new IMF main.  They do a great job and are timely.
> 
> 
> *Stephen Staum*
> *s/v Carol Lee 2*
> *1983 Rhodes 22*
> 
> *Needham, MA*
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 2:48 PM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Rhodes Colleagues,
>> 
>> My North sails are pretty old and in need of replacement.  Any suggestions
>> on where to buy new ones for a Rhodes 22, and how best to install them?
>> Are North sails the best choice?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Frank
>> 
>> Frank Goldsmith
>> S/V ?Mary Bess?
>> Lake Keowee, SC
>> 
>> 
>> 

From rbeytagh at gmail.com  Fri May 31 20:18:58 2019
From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (Richard Beytagh)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 20:18:58 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing the Med part dux (as in Ducks)
In-Reply-To: <BFE35BB0-414E-4303-9E06-287ED1076D08@gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiVwcnwovO2UW6A3vp-au7yU1VeCzOvGG4pD1EyORrFrtA@mail.gmail.com>
 <2FE3771A-83B4-4F6D-8828-7B6770F401A6@mac.com>
 <BFE35BB0-414E-4303-9E06-287ED1076D08@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALbDJ9awcaVJJPGkWKaaoc76O4bVo8Y54OnU4VyQO6o8XLx=mg@mail.gmail.com>

Be careful....Etna is spouting now and I imagine the straits of Messina
will be none too friendly.


~~~ _/) ~~~

Richard Beytagh
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On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 5:46 PM Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:

> I love the magic carpet analogy.  Sooo true!
> Thanks for the pictures.
>
> Bob (palatka)
>
> > On May 31, 2019, at 3:56 PM, Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > We are all sailing vicariously through you two??..how special that this
> is a 50th anniversary of another great adventure!
> >
> > Rod/Mary
> > Wisconsin
> >> On May 31, 2019, at 2:27 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Well I arrived a couple of days ago and found the boat fine if a bit
> >> covered in volcanic dust.  But that is to be expected when the "boat
> yard"
> >> is part way up the side of a dormant volcano (I hope) on the island of
> >> Ischia in the Bay of Naples.  There is about a week's worth of work to
> do.
> >> I was planning to have the hull painted but there isn't time so I'll
> settle
> >> for the "a pealing" look instead.  I am really looking forward to this
> >> segment of the trip because it will mark the 50th anniversary of my
> first
> >> long trip in a small boat.  Back then it was an 18'wooden lightning  and
> >> involved sailing to Sicily then to the heel of Italy and over to Greece.
> >> Well I was young and bit crazy to attempt something like that then;
> being
> >> much more mature and experienced, I'm doing it in a Rhodes, a whole 4'
> >> longer!  Plus it doesn't leak and I don't have to sleep outside.  Oh and
> >> the best thing is I get to do this trip with my wife.The trip from
> >> Barcelona was fun but I think this will be even more so.  I'll keep you
> all
> >> posted and send along a few pics too.  I am glad I can share this trip
> with
> >> an appreciative audience and one so knowledgeable.  This boat really is
> a
> >> magic carpet.  Attached is a view from my BnB, one that shows (if you
> >> enlarge it a bit)  The penultimate island I visited on the Rhodes last
> >> year, Ventotene (25nm) and just behind it Ponza (almost 50nm).  A clear
> day
> >> today.
> >>
> >> Chris Geankoplis
> >> S/V ENOSIS
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