From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Fri Nov  1 10:37:44 2019
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 14:37:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] gb policy change (continued)
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10. Great resale value.? 9. Appealing design: easy to sell? 8. Plethora of information available on assembly of parts, upgrades, etc.? 7. Availability of tried and true parts and options?? 6. Stellar return policy on parts? 5. Stan's "think tank" - continuous development?? 4. Molds available for replacement parts that fit perfectly? 3. Factory services: rebuild, restore, service, additive features/options?? 2. Calvin's awesome glass and gel-coat work??? 1. And the number one reason to stay true to GB is keeping Stan's immense knowledge base, people skills, and life experience in the business. We do not want him to have to become a politician!
Mark West?Fairwinds II ?

-----Original Message-----
From: stan <stan at generalboats.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Thu, Oct 31, 2019 8:05 am
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] gb policy change (continued)


Part one and a half (a GB extra)

 ?A Contest for all those who either, purchased their Rhodes from 
General Boats OR, are enlisted in the Certificate of Support community:

First prize (there are no second or third prizes) for the longest list 
of advantages in having your Rhodes remain a boat in production:? A $100 
credit on one of the following new options:

Glass Tiller
Continuous Control Line, Cleatless Traveler
Hard Clew Connected Outhaul Car
OR
Self Tending Jib (new for 2020)

In case of ties, ties will be awarded.? (could not resist that old Henry 
Morgan line).? Actually all ties for the longest list, posted in the 
next 24 hours, will be winners.

Here is one "advantage" listing for free;

1.??? Ongoing source for proprietary parts OR parts that match existing 
holes on your boat.

2. . . .? (start thinking)

good luck




From mark at whipplefamily.com  Fri Nov  1 12:34:47 2019
From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 12:34:47 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] gb policy change (continued)
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Near the top of my reasons for buying an R22 is this list. A strong, active
(virtual) community of owners is an invaluable resource.

I've owned a number of sailboats and most of them were out of production
when I bought them. However, there is a huge online community of O'Day,
Cape Dory and Pearson owners who were there to help me figure out solutions
to the challenges I faced when I owned those boats.

There were only about two dozen Nimble 30's built and they've been out of
production for years. The manufacturer appears to be in existence but
doesn't support this model. I still love the boat, but I'm selling it
because I just don't want to put in the time in to maintain it. The lack of
an owner's community and the fact that it is long out of production did not
influence my decision. Of course it would have been great if I could have
been in touch with other owners while I was actively restoring the boat.

I guess what I'm saying is that while it's great to own a boat that is
still in production, that is only one factor in calculating the value of
the boat. Based on history of other small sailboat manufacturers it is
unlikely that General Boats will exist forever. If someday GB is no more
(or if GB stops selling new boats) I do not think that will prevent people
from buying and enjoying R22's. I'd venture to say that if you did a survey
of sailboat owners only a small minority could say they own a boat that is
currently in production. Yet they still buy and sail those boats.

I will tell you what I think is a huge factor in the value of a sailboat:
the availability of specialized replacement parts as well as the
willingness of a manufacturer or other organization to support the boats
that are currently in use. Those things mean far more to me than whether or
not someone else can go out and buy a 2020 model of said boat. I'd argue
that a manufacturer who is willing to support their boats regardless of
where they were purchased leads to a significant boost to the resale value
of those boats. (For the record, yes I did shell out for the CoS.)

A somewhat related example: for many years I've done lighting design for
and community theaters and school productions.  One of the big players in
that market is a company called ETC. I've called ETC with questions about a
lighting console that had not been in production for 20 years. Got right
through to tech support and had my answer in minutes. They did not ask
where and when the board was purchased. I've also ordered parts for that
console. They are still in stock and priced very reasonably. If I have a
choice I will always use ETC products. Their reputation in this industry is
second to none.

The value of an object like a boat is highly subjective and involves many
factors, so the calculation will be different for every buyer/owner.

Mark Whipple
Boston, MA

s/v Tiny Dancer
2000 R22
16' ComPac
30' Nimble 30 yawl (for sale)

On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 8:05 AM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:

>
> Part one and a half (a GB extra)
>
>   A Contest for all those who either, purchased their Rhodes from
> General Boats OR, are enlisted in the Certificate of Support community:
>
> First prize (there are no second or third prizes) for the longest list
> of advantages in having your Rhodes remain a boat in production:  A $100
> credit on one of the following new options:
>
> Glass Tiller
> Continuous Control Line, Cleatless Traveler
> Hard Clew Connected Outhaul Car
> OR
> Self Tending Jib (new for 2020)
>
> In case of ties, ties will be awarded.  (could not resist that old Henry
> Morgan line).  Actually all ties for the longest list, posted in the
> next 24 hours, will be winners.
>
> Here is one "advantage" listing for free;
>
> 1.    Ongoing source for proprietary parts OR parts that match existing
> holes on your boat.
>
> 2. . . .  (start thinking)
>
> good luck
>
>
>
>

From allynb at adsne.com  Sat Nov  2 09:07:11 2019
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 13:07:11 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] =?utf-8?q?Rhodes_didn=E2=80=99t_come_with_an_anch?=
	=?utf-8?q?or?=
Message-ID: <5AC4FCB1-95A9-42E2-AE05-944F23601BE3@adsne.com>

I?ll soon be needing an anchor, but I?m not sure if the best way to set this up. I?ve read the posts about rope/chain, so I?m good there. I?ve seen the anchor on Rhodes in the pictures hanging up front. How do you secure the anchor? Also, what?s the best way to store the anchor rode? There is a leaking deck plate I?ll be fixing ASAP, but without cutting a hole, there is no way to put the ride in there. I thought maybe I?ll have to disconnect the anchor each time. Thanks

Sent from my iPhone

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat Nov  2 11:20:01 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 10:20:01 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list]
	=?utf-8?q?Rhodes_didn=E2=80=99t_come_with_an_anch?= =?utf-8?q?or?=
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I use either a claw or rocna anchor (currently both) secured on the bow and
the chain and 1/2 inch rhode is neatly coiled in a bucket stowed under the
cockpit seat or in the laz. Takes no time to set up and deploy. Check
locally for the  anchor that is best for the waters you sail in.  This has
worked for me over the 43 years I have sailed my Rhodes

Chris Geankoplis
S/V ENOSIS

On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 at 08:07, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:

> I?ll soon be needing an anchor, but I?m not sure if the best way to set
> this up. I?ve read the posts about rope/chain, so I?m good there. I?ve seen
> the anchor on Rhodes in the pictures hanging up front. How do you secure
> the anchor? Also, what?s the best way to store the anchor rode? There is a
> leaking deck plate I?ll be fixing ASAP, but without cutting a hole, there
> is no way to put the ride in there. I thought maybe I?ll have to disconnect
> the anchor each time. Thanks
>
> Sent from my iPhone

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sat Nov  2 17:11:44 2019
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 17:11:44 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list]
 =?utf-8?q?Rhodes_didn=E2=80=99t_come_with_an_anch?= =?utf-8?q?or?=
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Allyn,

My boat came out of the General Boats ?Recycle? program with a Fortress FX7.  It hangs from the bow pulpit, and the end of the shaft is pinned to a U bracket at the very tip of the bow.      It?s an elegant storage solution, but a bit tricky to implement as the length of the hangers plus the length of the anchor have to be right with a pretty close tolerance to get the hole at the end of the anchor shaft to line up with the pin at the bow.  If you want to take this approach, I?d suggest you contact General Boats and see if they can supply you with appropriate hardware.

But, as much as I thought that location for the anchor was clever, it never seemed very convenient. I?ve never anchored with the Fortress.  

I use a 15 lb Manson Supreme.  Prior to this season (now behind us, alas),  I?ve kept this in a Rubbermaid tub in the lazarette along with its rode.  The rode is 10? of 1/4? chain and 200? of 3/8? three strand nylon.  The rode is coiled in a 2.5 gallon bucket from the Home Depot paint department.  When I?m approaching an anchorage, I?ll take the tub from the lazarette, carry it through the cockpit and the cabin and place it on the forward cabin roof (I almost always have the pop-top up when underway).  When I?m ready to anchor, I?ll walk up to the bow and and throw the anchor over.

Last winter I added a bow sprit and a bow roller, so now the Manson lives on the bow full time.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On Nov 2, 2019, at 9:07 AM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
> 
> I?ll soon be needing an anchor, but I?m not sure if the best way to set this up. I?ve read the posts about rope/chain, so I?m good there. I?ve seen the anchor on Rhodes in the pictures hanging up front. How do you secure the anchor? Also, what?s the best way to store the anchor rode? There is a leaking deck plate I?ll be fixing ASAP, but without cutting a hole, there is no way to put the ride in there. I thought maybe I?ll have to disconnect the anchor each time. Thanks
> 
> Sent from my iPhone


From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Sat Nov  2 17:35:40 2019
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 17:35:40 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list]
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Peter,

Do you have pics of the sprit & roller?

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2019 5:12 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes didn?t come with an anchor

{... clip ...}

Last winter I added a bow sprit and a bow roller, so now the Manson lives on the bow full time.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On Nov 2, 2019, at 9:07 AM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
> 
> I?ll soon be needing an anchor, but I?m not sure if the best way to set this up. I?ve read the posts about rope/chain, so I?m good there. I?ve seen the anchor on Rhodes in the pictures hanging up front. How do you secure the anchor? Also, what?s the best way to store the anchor rode? There is a leaking deck plate I?ll be fixing ASAP, but without cutting a hole, there is no way to put the ride in there. I thought maybe I?ll have to disconnect the anchor each time. Thanks
> 
> Sent from my iPhone


From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sat Nov  2 19:18:35 2019
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 19:18:35 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list]
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Mike,

I?m trying hard not to sound like a wise-ass when I say that while I have no pictures of the sprit and roller project, I do have a YouTube video.  Hopefully, this link will take you there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjfAbxuFZas

?Peter

> On Nov 2, 2019, at 5:35 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> Peter,
> 
> Do you have pics of the sprit & roller?
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
> Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2019 5:12 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes didn?t come with an anchor
> 
> {... clip ...}
> 
> Last winter I added a bow sprit and a bow roller, so now the Manson lives on the bow full time.
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 9:07 AM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I?ll soon be needing an anchor, but I?m not sure if the best way to set this up. I?ve read the posts about rope/chain, so I?m good there. I?ve seen the anchor on Rhodes in the pictures hanging up front. How do you secure the anchor? Also, what?s the best way to store the anchor rode? There is a leaking deck plate I?ll be fixing ASAP, but without cutting a hole, there is no way to put the ride in there. I thought maybe I?ll have to disconnect the anchor each time. Thanks
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
> 


From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Sat Nov  2 20:14:55 2019
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 00:14:55 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list]
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On Nov 2, 2019, at 7:18 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

?Mike,

I?m trying hard not to sound like a wise-ass when I say that while I have no pictures of the sprit and roller project, I do have a YouTube video.  Hopefully, this link will take you there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjfAbxuFZas

?Peter

On Nov 2, 2019, at 5:35 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:

Peter,

Do you have pics of the sprit & roller?

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2019 5:12 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes didn?t come with an anchor

{... clip ...}

Last winter I added a bow sprit and a bow roller, so now the Manson lives on the bow full time.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

On Nov 2, 2019, at 9:07 AM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:

I?ll soon be needing an anchor, but I?m not sure if the best way to set this up. I?ve read the posts about rope/chain, so I?m good there. I?ve seen the anchor on Rhodes in the pictures hanging up front. How do you secure the anchor? Also, what?s the best way to store the anchor rode? There is a leaking deck plate I?ll be fixing ASAP, but without cutting a hole, there is no way to put the ride in there. I thought maybe I?ll have to disconnect the anchor each time. Thanks

Sent from my iPhone



From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Sat Nov  2 20:21:48 2019
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 20:21:48 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list]
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I have a less conventional approach to anchoring - especially if the conditions are mild. I keep the anchor in the lazarette in a pail with the rode and chain coiled. I prefer to keep the bow pulpit uncluttered.  The bitter end of the line is tied to the pail handle. As I approach my anchoring location I put the pail on the cockpit seat and take the bitter end of the rode from the pail handle and tie it to a stern cleat. 

I then approach my anchoring spot going downwind slowly and when I reach the spot where I want the anchor to hold I toss it overboard, put the motor in neutral and coast downwind while I play out the line for the scope that I want and then tie it off again while the anchor grabs. I then put the motor in gear and power forward enough to ensure that the anchor has a good hold. 

If I am planning to stay only a few hours I will leave the boat pointing down wind. In that position any wind passes over the cockpit - which is usually more comfortable. When the time comes to leave I start the motor and leave it in neutral and then  tie the bitter end of the rode to the pail handle, release the line form the cleat and pull in the anchor while coiling the rode into the pail. Once the anchor is retrieved I put it on top of the coiled line and put the pail into the lazarette and then just power off. 

If I plan to stay overnight or if the winds become more substantial I take the unused portion of the rode to the bow and tie it off in the usual manner. I then release the line on the stern cleat and the boat will come around on its own to face into the wind. All the while I am within reach of the helm and motor  controls.

This approach is especially convenient as it allows you to easily set and retrieve the anchor and control the boat on your own. Setting the anchor in the traditional way usually requires that one person be at the bow to release the anchor while another puts the motor in reverse and back up to set the anchor. Raising the anchor over the bow is also difficult at times and inherently less safe than standing in the cockpit - especially if you are alone.

Graham

Graham Stewart
Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
Kingston Ontario



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2019 5:12 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes didn?t come with an anchor

Allyn,

My boat came out of the General Boats ?Recycle? program with a Fortress FX7.  It hangs from the bow pulpit, and the end of the shaft is pinned to a U bracket at the very tip of the bow.      It?s an elegant storage solution, but a bit tricky to implement as the length of the hangers plus the length of the anchor have to be right with a pretty close tolerance to get the hole at the end of the anchor shaft to line up with the pin at the bow.  If you want to take this approach, I?d suggest you contact General Boats and see if they can supply you with appropriate hardware.

But, as much as I thought that location for the anchor was clever, it never seemed very convenient. I?ve never anchored with the Fortress.  

I use a 15 lb Manson Supreme.  Prior to this season (now behind us, alas),  I?ve kept this in a Rubbermaid tub in the lazarette along with its rode.  The rode is 10? of 1/4? chain and 200? of 3/8? three strand nylon.  The rode is coiled in a 2.5 gallon bucket from the Home Depot paint department.  When I?m approaching an anchorage, I?ll take the tub from the lazarette, carry it through the cockpit and the cabin and place it on the forward cabin roof (I almost always have the pop-top up when underway).  When I?m ready to anchor, I?ll walk up to the bow and and throw the anchor over.

Last winter I added a bow sprit and a bow roller, so now the Manson lives on the bow full time.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On Nov 2, 2019, at 9:07 AM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
> 
> I?ll soon be needing an anchor, but I?m not sure if the best way to set this up. I?ve read the posts about rope/chain, so I?m good there. I?ve seen the anchor on Rhodes in the pictures hanging up front. How do you secure the anchor? Also, what?s the best way to store the anchor rode? There is a leaking deck plate I?ll be fixing ASAP, but without cutting a hole, there is no way to put the ride in there. I thought maybe I?ll have to disconnect the anchor each time. Thanks
> 
> Sent from my iPhone


From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Sat Nov  2 20:43:53 2019
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 17:43:53 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list]
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sat Nov  2 21:33:38 2019
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 21:33:38 -0400
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Chris,

As is often the case Chris, your terseness is maddening.  Are you being charged by the word for your emails?

It looks to me like you?ve probably cantilevered that bow roller beyond what the manufacturer would recommend. (I can?t be sure of course, just a guess.)

And you?ve really put a windlass on a Rhodes 22?  Really?  Aside from the question of where in the world the chain goes, that?s just ridiculous. Even if you have a customer who wants it.

I?ve sometimes wondered whether some of my modifications to the Rhodes 22 where over the top, I think I?ll stop worrying about it.

?Peter


> On Nov 2, 2019, at 8:43 PM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com> wrote:
> 
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t8/8F2D1B4E-26C4-41E5-82B3-C33A935DB323.jpeg> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> Chris Cowie
> Voilier Yachts
> Sales & Service Representative
> www.voilieryachts.com
> 
> 703.717.9041 phone | 202.270.1470 mobile
> 10275 Demarr Rd
> White Plains, MD 20695
> [ccowie at voilieryachts.com]
> 
> 
> 
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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Sat Nov  2 22:38:05 2019
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 19:38:05 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Installing a Windex
Message-ID: <1572748685451-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Since I have the mast down for the winter, I used the opportunity to install
a 15" Davis Windex.  I installed it towards the end of the mast crane since
I have a VHF antenna at the top of the mast.  Based on the recommendation of
the local sailboat shop, I got a piece 2x2" aluminum angle and cut it down
to a small section, drilled a hole on top for the base of the Windex and
then riveted it to the side of the mast crane.  There is a few inches of
clearance between the front of the Windex and the antenna.  I didn't see any
posts dealing with this particular setup, so here are a few photos in case
others might find this helpful.

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/20191102_144241.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/20191102_144214.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/20191102_144149.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/20191102_144333.jpg> 





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From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Sun Nov  3 10:02:42 2019
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 15:02:42 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list]
 =?utf-8?q?Rhodes_didn=E2=80=99t_come_with_an_anch?= =?utf-8?q?or?=
In-Reply-To: <306D3120-BC3F-404C-9825-D70625716920@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <306D3120-BC3F-404C-9825-D70625716920@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <79A0B502-67F0-41F7-900B-5A47C4132BB2@cowieassociates.com>

The Nabble archives have a number of pulpit style anchor solutions that have been installed in various arrangements on the Rhodes 22.  These solutions are individual owners preferences.


Please note our new office address and phone number

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On Nov 2, 2019, at 9:33 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

?Chris,

As is often the case Chris, your terseness is maddening.  Are you being charged by the word for your emails?

It looks to me like you?ve probably cantilevered that bow roller beyond what the manufacturer would recommend. (I can?t be sure of course, just a guess.)

And you?ve really put a windlass on a Rhodes 22?  Really?  Aside from the question of where in the world the chain goes, that?s just ridiculous. Even if you have a customer who wants it.

I?ve sometimes wondered whether some of my modifications to the Rhodes 22 where over the top, I think I?ll stop worrying about it.

?Peter


On Nov 2, 2019, at 8:43 PM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com> wrote:

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t8/8F2D1B4E-26C4-41E5-82B3-C33A935DB323.jpeg>



-----
Chris Cowie
Voilier Yachts
Sales & Service Representative
www.voilieryachts.com

703.717.9041 phone | 202.270.1470 mobile
10275 Demarr Rd
White Plains, MD 20695
[ccowie at voilieryachts.com]




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From jerry.keybl at gmail.com  Sun Nov  3 14:50:04 2019
From: jerry.keybl at gmail.com (jerry.keybl)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 12:50:04 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Installing a Windex
In-Reply-To: <1572748685451-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1572748685451-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1572810604176-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Are you planning to remove it when trailering?



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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Sun Nov  3 14:53:26 2019
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 12:53:26 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Installing a Windex
In-Reply-To: <1572810604176-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1572748685451-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1572810604176-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1572810806662-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

I had not thought that far ahead yet.  The windex can be easily removed from
the mounting bracket that I installed.  To others with a windex, do you
leave it on while trailering or remove it for travel?



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From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Sun Nov  3 15:05:20 2019
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 15:05:20 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Installing a Windex
In-Reply-To: <1572810806662-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1572748685451-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1572810604176-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1572810806662-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <f86d44a8-c962-a950-9912-20d72ad48eca@atlanticbb.net>

We always removed ours for trailering along with the VHF antenna. I will 
note that after losing several of the Windexes to birds trying to land 
on them (think osprey and heron size birds) we went to a a Davis 
Spar-fly which seemed to not offer such an attractive foothold to 
perching birds.

Best,
Mary Lou
ex Rhodes 22
now Rosborough RF-246
Rock Hall, MD

On 11/3/2019 2:53 PM, Jesse Shumaker wrote:
> I had not thought that far ahead yet.  The windex can be easily removed from
> the mounting bracket that I installed.  To others with a windex, do you
> leave it on while trailering or remove it for travel?
>
>
>
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From allynb at adsne.com  Sun Nov  3 15:24:25 2019
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 20:24:25 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] =?utf-8?q?Unsure_how_to_remove_=E2=80=9Chose?=
 =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=9D_for_centerboard_line?=
Message-ID: <6DE9B283-B58D-46DF-8D3F-084DEB0B158D@adsne.com>

I thought taking off the 52 or so screws was going to be the time consuming part, but I?ve spent more time trying to take off the hose assembly that goes around the centerboard line into the cabin. I?ve searched the forums, but I?m probably looking for the wrong part. I?m not sure what this is called, but I need to replace the line to the centerboard, and this is in the way. The hose looks double layered, and it?s very stiff. I recently bought this boat and removed 10 gallons of water from the bilge. It seems as if water has been leaking in here among a dozen other places. Can anyone provide me with ideas for taking the hose off? Thanks

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From jerry.keybl at gmail.com  Sun Nov  3 17:34:40 2019
From: jerry.keybl at gmail.com (jerry.keybl)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 15:34:40 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Installing a Windex
In-Reply-To: <f86d44a8-c962-a950-9912-20d72ad48eca@atlanticbb.net>
References: <1572748685451-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1572810604176-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1572810806662-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <f86d44a8-c962-a950-9912-20d72ad48eca@atlanticbb.net>
Message-ID: <1572820480025-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

I was also thinking of adding a windex this winter.  Anyone done one that
ties into their chartplotter? 

I have to rewire the mast anyway (anchor light tripping), so was thinking of
upgrading the system as i went.



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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sun Nov  3 17:25:24 2019
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 17:25:24 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Installing a Windex
In-Reply-To: <1572810806662-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1572748685451-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1572810604176-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1572810806662-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <55492732-C94B-4B70-9243-4E26B2458797@sunnybeeches.com>

I bought a similar looking windex this past spring.  It?s likely the same model.  

I had intended to remove it for the trip to the marina, but then forgot.  The trip is about an hour, with about a quarter of that on limited access highways.  When I got to the boat ramp, the windex was no worse for the wear.  It continued to work all summer.  When I brought the boat back home a few weeks ago, I again left the windex attached to the top of the mast, and again it appears to have survived the trip undamaged.  

So, it appears these units can survive a highway trip, but if you can remove yours without much trouble, that would seem to be the prudent thing to do.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On Nov 3, 2019, at 2:53 PM, Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I had not thought that far ahead yet.  The windex can be easily removed from
> the mounting bracket that I installed.  To others with a windex, do you
> leave it on while trailering or remove it for travel?
> 
> 
> 
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Sun Nov  3 21:23:20 2019
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 21:23:20 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] =?utf-8?q?Unsure_how_to_remove_=E2=80=9Chose?=
	=?utf-8?q?=E2=80=9D_for_centerboard_line?=
In-Reply-To: <6DE9B283-B58D-46DF-8D3F-084DEB0B158D@adsne.com>
References: <6DE9B283-B58D-46DF-8D3F-084DEB0B158D@adsne.com>
Message-ID: <002201d592b6$d4e9e860$7ebdb920$@ca>

A picture would help as your arrangements might be a non-standard setup. The tube for my line is held in place with a hose clamp and is removed easily.

Graham Stewart
Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
Kingston Ontario



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Allyn Baskerville
Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2019 3:24 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unsure how to remove ?hose? for centerboard line

I thought taking off the 52 or so screws was going to be the time consuming part, but I?ve spent more time trying to take off the hose assembly that goes around the centerboard line into the cabin. I?ve searched the forums, but I?m probably looking for the wrong part. I?m not sure what this is called, but I need to replace the line to the centerboard, and this is in the way. The hose looks double layered, and it?s very stiff. I recently bought this boat and removed 10 gallons of water from the bilge. It seems as if water has been leaking in here among a dozen other places. Can anyone provide me with ideas for taking the hose off? Thanks

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From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com  Sun Nov  3 22:05:54 2019
From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 22:05:54 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] =?utf-8?q?Unsure_how_to_remove_=E2=80=9Chose?=
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In-Reply-To: <002201d592b6$d4e9e860$7ebdb920$@ca>
References: <002201d592b6$d4e9e860$7ebdb920$@ca>
Message-ID: <02281C57-4352-4C52-AAA3-7D5213E2DCE3@gmail.com>

Mine is a section of water hose between two through-hulls. The line runs through it and also the cockpit seat water drains into the centerboard trunk.  The problem when i got my boat was someone had cut the hose too short and it was leaking into the cabin.  (32 + points of water ingress.)
Water hoses are all the wrong size for the through hulls.  I found a best fit from dollar general cheap 1/2? hose. I heated it with a heat gun and managed to slip it all together with butyl rubber sealant on the barbs.
The trick is getting the line through the hose while bending it enough to get it on the through hull barbs.  A heat gun is needed to soften the hose but keep the line moving inside so it doesnt melt.

Bob (palatka)

> On Nov 3, 2019, at 9:23 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> ?A picture would help as your arrangements might be a non-standard setup. The tube for my line is held in place with a hose clamp and is removed easily.
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> Kingston Ontario
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Allyn Baskerville
> Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2019 3:24 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unsure how to remove ?hose? for centerboard line
> 
> I thought taking off the 52 or so screws was going to be the time consuming part, but I?ve spent more time trying to take off the hose assembly that goes around the centerboard line into the cabin. I?ve searched the forums, but I?m probably looking for the wrong part. I?m not sure what this is called, but I need to replace the line to the centerboard, and this is in the way. The hose looks double layered, and it?s very stiff. I recently bought this boat and removed 10 gallons of water from the bilge. It seems as if water has been leaking in here among a dozen other places. Can anyone provide me with ideas for taking the hose off? Thanks
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From morrisix at comcast.net  Mon Nov  4 11:09:02 2019
From: morrisix at comcast.net (Bill)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 09:09:02 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] gb policy change (continued)
In-Reply-To: <778854513.2767940.1572619064051@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <40a81c56-7738-4864-7cb4-c82e8d83cccc@generalboats.com>
 <778854513.2767940.1572619064051@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1572883742963-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

1) Parts
2) Repairs
3) Knowledge Base / Information
4) Bank Loans
5) Continuous upgrades to boat
6) Selling / Buying
7) New Rhodes models (27?)
8) Retains Boat value 
9) General Boats internet site.  
10) The List




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From kathy.leone at qltcls.com  Mon Nov  4 20:31:33 2019
From: kathy.leone at qltcls.com (Kathy Leone)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 01:31:33 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 2012 Rhodes 22 for sale
In-Reply-To: <BN8PR14MB2593AE55804305F7787B2C248C8A0@BN8PR14MB2593.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN8PR14MB2593AE55804305F7787B2C248C8A0@BN8PR14MB2593.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BN8PR14MB259353EEA772D289D0F0250B8C7E0@BN8PR14MB2593.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

Hello Rhodies,

After many years of sailing on Rhodes 22 sailboats, we are selling our 2012.  She is in excellent condition with the following items worth mentioning:
(1) Navy blue hull
(2) 175 Genoa
(3) 9.9 Yahama engine with tiller hookup.  This engine is from the 2004 boat we purchased.  We have been utilizing it on our 2012 and love how it works.  Our mechanic at the marina recently gave the engine an overhaul and she is purring.  This included a brand new lower unit.
(4) Galvanized trailer 
(5) Safety rails

We are located on Long Beach Island in New Jersey.  We are asking  $29,500 per a discussion with Stan and will consider any reasonable offer.

Thank you and Happy Sailing,

Kathy
S/V REVERIE
2012 R22
Long Beach Township, NJ





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From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  5 07:09:28 2019
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 07:09:28 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water tanks
Message-ID: <CAB-twMMsH+7gopc4Ax5yPx79v8gs_C2S4QR+DDQwj91aCQWVHQ@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone built, or considered building a permanent integral water tank?
(Peter?)
I have been watching several YouTube videos by atomvoyager and he always
builds integral tanks and coats the inside of the tank with food grade
epoxy. It may be a worthy project as my R 22 does not have a water tank at
all. But the epoxy is quite expensive.

https://youtu.be/bUiV90sPMbU

http://www.sscoatings.net/brewcoat.htm

Todd T.


tavares0947 at gmail.com

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019, 8:31 PM Kathy Leone <kathy.leone at qltcls.com> wrote:

> Hello Rhodies,
>
> After many years of sailing on Rhodes 22 sailboats, we are selling our
> 2012.  She is in excellent condition with the following items worth
> mentioning:
> (1) Navy blue hull
> (2) 175 Genoa
> (3) 9.9 Yahama engine with tiller hookup.  This engine is from the 2004
> boat we purchased.  We have been utilizing it on our 2012 and love how it
> works.  Our mechanic at the marina recently gave the engine an overhaul and
> she is purring.  This included a brand new lower unit.
> (4) Galvanized trailer
> (5) Safety rails
>
> We are located on Long Beach Island in New Jersey.  We are asking  $29,500
> per a discussion with Stan and will consider any reasonable offer.
>
> Thank you and Happy Sailing,
>
> Kathy
> S/V REVERIE
> 2012 R22
> Long Beach Township, NJ
>
>
>
>
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Tue Nov  5 08:36:21 2019
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 08:36:21 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water tanks
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMMsH+7gopc4Ax5yPx79v8gs_C2S4QR+DDQwj91aCQWVHQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB-twMMsH+7gopc4Ax5yPx79v8gs_C2S4QR+DDQwj91aCQWVHQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000e01d593de$04092a70$0c1b7f50$@ca>

When I rebuilt my Rhodes I considered building tanks for both water and sewage holding. After doing my "research" I decided against it as there seemed to be too many cautions about the safety and reliability of the tanks and I didn't want to have to disassemble my boat again should the tanks need to be removed. In addition I was concerned that it would be a difficult task to properly service and clean built-in tanks. 

I was able to find a poly holding tank that fit perfectly in the 11" space behind the V berth foam and also left room for my boat battery (I only have and need one battery). I had to add a plywood bulkhead immediately aft of the flotation foam to give me something to attach the tank and battery shelf to and also build a shelf system that fit in the odd shaped space (see picture). It made sense to use a poly tank that could be easily removed.

As for water, I decided in the end to use a water-grade plastic jerry can  ($20) that I put under the sink in the galley and held in place with a strap. It is not as attractive as a hidden tank but it is very convenient. (I have attached a picture.) With the jerry can I can easily take the can to the water rather than bring the water to the boat which, in my case,  is infinitely easier. I fill the tank at home and bring it to the boat rather than depend on the questionable water quality and delivery systems of water at marinas. In my case I don't use a marina at all so I would need to take my boat to the marina for water and that would be a pain. I just remove the tank and store it in my basement for the winter so I don't need to worry about freeze up and it is very easy to clean and sterilize the tank at home.

The "best" system depends entirely on your situation and use of the system so what works for me might not be feasible for others but I have come to the conclusion that the easiest system is the best one for me - not that I have taken my own advice on that point for anything else I did.

Graham


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Todd Tavares
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 7:09 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water tanks

Has anyone built, or considered building a permanent integral water tank?
(Peter?)
I have been watching several YouTube videos by atomvoyager and he always
builds integral tanks and coats the inside of the tank with food grade
epoxy. It may be a worthy project as my R 22 does not have a water tank at
all. But the epoxy is quite expensive.

https://youtu.be/bUiV90sPMbU

http://www.sscoatings.net/brewcoat.htm

Todd T.


tavares0947 at gmail.com

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019, 8:31 PM Kathy Leone <kathy.leone at qltcls.com> wrote:

> Hello Rhodies,
>
> After many years of sailing on Rhodes 22 sailboats, we are selling our
> 2012.  She is in excellent condition with the following items worth
> mentioning:
> (1) Navy blue hull
> (2) 175 Genoa
> (3) 9.9 Yahama engine with tiller hookup.  This engine is from the 2004
> boat we purchased.  We have been utilizing it on our 2012 and love how it
> works.  Our mechanic at the marina recently gave the engine an overhaul and
> she is purring.  This included a brand new lower unit.
> (4) Galvanized trailer
> (5) Safety rails
>
> We are located on Long Beach Island in New Jersey.  We are asking  $29,500
> per a discussion with Stan and will consider any reasonable offer.
>
> Thank you and Happy Sailing,
>
> Kathy
> S/V REVERIE
> 2012 R22
> Long Beach Township, NJ
>
>
>
>
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Tue Nov  5 09:07:15 2019
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 14:07:15 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water tanks
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMMsH+7gopc4Ax5yPx79v8gs_C2S4QR+DDQwj91aCQWVHQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB-twMMsH+7gopc4Ax5yPx79v8gs_C2S4QR+DDQwj91aCQWVHQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BL0PR02MB464366EF0CC935B4FC5F211C807E0@BL0PR02MB4643.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Todd,

Go to the Defender Marine website (www.defender.com<http://www.defender.com>) (800-628-8225) and take a look at the todd M/N 94-1627WH, Defender C/N 503130 water tank.  This tank has a capacity of 15 gal and the dimensions are 25? L X 11? W X 15? D.  The MOC is FDA & USCG certified polyethylene.  The plumbing and vent connections are molded in and are all female NPT.  The same vender can supply the various plumbing fittings, hose, clamps, and valves to complete the job.

S/V Dynamic Equilibrium came with water tank mounting beds molded into the interior of the hull.  On your boat, look behind (i.e. aft of) the floatation foam under the V-berth and in front of the V-berth bulkhead.  You should see an empty space sized to fit the above specified tank.  The molded in mounting beds will provide good support for the tank up in the deep V part of the bow .  My water tank mounting beds have slots in them.  These slots allow a nylon outboard gas tank strap to be rigged around the water tank.  The water tank is held in place by the floatation foam in front, the V-berth bulkhead behind, and the mounting beds + strap prevent side-to-side and upward movement.  But, this mount still allows the water tank to be removed if necessary.

Easy peasy!  I don?t know why anyone would want to go to all the trouble and expense of a permanently mounted water tank when this option is available.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 7:09:28 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water tanks

Has anyone built, or considered building a permanent integral water tank?
(Peter?)
I have been watching several YouTube videos by atomvoyager and he always
builds integral tanks and coats the inside of the tank with food grade
epoxy. It may be a worthy project as my R 22 does not have a water tank at
all. But the epoxy is quite expensive.

https://youtu.be/bUiV90sPMbU

http://www.sscoatings.net/brewcoat.htm

Todd T.


tavares0947 at gmail.com

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019, 8:31 PM Kathy Leone <kathy.leone at qltcls.com> wrote:

> Hello Rhodies,
>
> After many years of sailing on Rhodes 22 sailboats, we are selling our
> 2012.  She is in excellent condition with the following items worth
> mentioning:
> (1) Navy blue hull
> (2) 175 Genoa
> (3) 9.9 Yahama engine with tiller hookup.  This engine is from the 2004
> boat we purchased.  We have been utilizing it on our 2012 and love how it
> works.  Our mechanic at the marina recently gave the engine an overhaul and
> she is purring.  This included a brand new lower unit.
> (4) Galvanized trailer
> (5) Safety rails
>
> We are located on Long Beach Island in New Jersey.  We are asking  $29,500
> per a discussion with Stan and will consider any reasonable offer.
>
> Thank you and Happy Sailing,
>
> Kathy
> S/V REVERIE
> 2012 R22
> Long Beach Township, NJ
>
>
>
>
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From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Tue Nov  5 09:32:53 2019
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 14:32:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd:  Water tanks
References: <1435038044.946086.1572964374012.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1435038044.946086.1572964374012@mail.yahoo.com>




-----Original Message-----
From: Mark West <keywestseccorp at verizon.net>
To: rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tue, Nov 5, 2019 9:28 am
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water tanks

Todd,
? we removed our water and marine head went with portapotty we didn't have access to pump out tanks. That gave us larger storage area. I made a tank installed it under sink against hull. I may go back and make larger holds3.5 gal now for extended cruising we carry more water. When I added the storage drawers I had to shorting the tubes. pic in vice before cabinets

-----Original Message-----
From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tue, Nov 5, 2019 9:07 am
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water tanks

Todd,

Go to the Defender Marine website (www.defender.com<http://www.defender.com>) (800-628-8225) and take a look at the todd M/N 94-1627WH, Defender C/N 503130 water tank.? This tank has a capacity of 15 gal and the dimensions are 25? L X 11? W X 15? D.? The MOC is FDA & USCG certified polyethylene.? The plumbing and vent connections are molded in and are all female NPT.? The same vender can supply the various plumbing fittings, hose, clamps, and valves to complete the job.

S/V Dynamic Equilibrium came with water tank mounting beds molded into the interior of the hull.? On your boat, look behind (i.e. aft of) the floatation foam under the V-berth and in front of the V-berth bulkhead.? You should see an empty space sized to fit the above specified tank.? The molded in mounting beds will provide good support for the tank up in the deep V part of the bow .? My water tank mounting beds have slots in them.? These slots allow a nylon outboard gas tank strap to be rigged around the water tank.? The water tank is held in place by the floatation foam in front, the V-berth bulkhead behind, and the mounting beds + strap prevent side-to-side and upward movement.? But, this mount still allows the water tank to be removed if necessary.

Easy peasy!? I don?t know why anyone would want to go to all the trouble and expense of a permanently mounted water tank when this option is available.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 7:09:28 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water tanks

Has anyone built, or considered building a permanent integral water tank?
(Peter?)
I have been watching several YouTube videos by atomvoyager and he always
builds integral tanks and coats the inside of the tank with food grade
epoxy. It may be a worthy project as my R 22 does not have a water tank at
all. But the epoxy is quite expensive.

https://youtu.be/bUiV90sPMbU

http://www.sscoatings.net/brewcoat.htm

Todd T.


tavares0947 at gmail.com

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019, 8:31 PM Kathy Leone <kathy.leone at qltcls.com> wrote:

> Hello Rhodies,
>
> After many years of sailing on Rhodes 22 sailboats, we are selling our
> 2012.? She is in excellent condition with the following items worth
> mentioning:
> (1) Navy blue hull
> (2) 175 Genoa
> (3) 9.9 Yahama engine with tiller hookup.? This engine is from the 2004
> boat we purchased.? We have been utilizing it on our 2012 and love how it
> works.? Our mechanic at the marina recently gave the engine an overhaul and
> she is purring.? This included a brand new lower unit.
> (4) Galvanized trailer
> (5) Safety rails
>
> We are located on Long Beach Island in New Jersey.? We are asking? $29,500
> per a discussion with Stan and will consider any reasonable offer.
>
> Thank you and Happy Sailing,
>
> Kathy
> S/V REVERIE
> 2012 R22
> Long Beach Township, NJ
>
>
>
>
>
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From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  5 09:57:17 2019
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 09:57:17 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water tanks
Message-ID: <CAB-twMP71kZMnRSCREEBLcLKKpAb3epdJ=_PvPdku86pxr_dsw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Roger!



tavares0947 at gmail.com

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019, 9:33 AM Mark West via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark West <keywestseccorp at verizon.net>
> To: rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tue, Nov 5, 2019 9:28 am
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water tanks
>
> Todd,
>   we removed our water and marine head went with portapotty we didn't have
> access to pump out tanks. That gave us larger storage area. I made a tank
> installed it under sink against hull. I may go back and make larger
> holds3.5 gal now for extended cruising we carry more water. When I added
> the storage drawers I had to shorting the tubes. pic in vice before cabinets
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tue, Nov 5, 2019 9:07 am
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water tanks
>
> Todd,
>
> Go to the Defender Marine website (www.defender.com<
> http://www.defender.com>) (800-628-8225) and take a look at the todd M/N
> 94-1627WH, Defender C/N 503130 water tank.  This tank has a capacity of 15
> gal and the dimensions are 25? L X 11? W X 15? D.  The MOC is FDA & USCG
> certified polyethylene.  The plumbing and vent connections are molded in
> and are all female NPT.  The same vender can supply the various plumbing
> fittings, hose, clamps, and valves to complete the job.
>
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium came with water tank mounting beds molded into the
> interior of the hull.  On your boat, look behind (i.e. aft of) the
> floatation foam under the V-berth and in front of the V-berth bulkhead.
> You should see an empty space sized to fit the above specified tank.  The
> molded in mounting beds will provide good support for the tank up in the
> deep V part of the bow .  My water tank mounting beds have slots in them.
> These slots allow a nylon outboard gas tank strap to be rigged around the
> water tank.  The water tank is held in place by the floatation foam in
> front, the V-berth bulkhead behind, and the mounting beds + strap prevent
> side-to-side and upward movement.  But, this mount still allows the water
> tank to be removed if necessary.
>
> Easy peasy!  I don?t know why anyone would want to go to all the trouble
> and expense of a permanently mounted water tank when this option is
> available.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 7:09:28 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water tanks
>
> Has anyone built, or considered building a permanent integral water tank?
> (Peter?)
> I have been watching several YouTube videos by atomvoyager and he always
> builds integral tanks and coats the inside of the tank with food grade
> epoxy. It may be a worthy project as my R 22 does not have a water tank at
> all. But the epoxy is quite expensive.
>
> https://youtu.be/bUiV90sPMbU
>
> http://www.sscoatings.net/brewcoat.htm
>
> Todd T.
>
>
> tavares0947 at gmail.com
>
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2019, 8:31 PM Kathy Leone <kathy.leone at qltcls.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello Rhodies,
> >
> > After many years of sailing on Rhodes 22 sailboats, we are selling our
> > 2012.  She is in excellent condition with the following items worth
> > mentioning:
> > (1) Navy blue hull
> > (2) 175 Genoa
> > (3) 9.9 Yahama engine with tiller hookup.  This engine is from the 2004
> > boat we purchased.  We have been utilizing it on our 2012 and love how it
> > works.  Our mechanic at the marina recently gave the engine an overhaul
> and
> > she is purring.  This included a brand new lower unit.
> > (4) Galvanized trailer
> > (5) Safety rails
> >
> > We are located on Long Beach Island in New Jersey.  We are asking
> $29,500
> > per a discussion with Stan and will consider any reasonable offer.
> >
> > Thank you and Happy Sailing,
> >
> > Kathy
> > S/V REVERIE
> > 2012 R22
> > Long Beach Township, NJ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From talbotdavid50 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  5 10:34:10 2019
From: talbotdavid50 at gmail.com (David Talbot)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:34:10 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water tanks
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Hi everyone
How do I unsubscribe to this list serve?
(I got a slightly bigger boat)

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 9:57 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Roger!
>
>
>
> tavares0947 at gmail.com
>
> On Tue, Nov 5, 2019, 9:33 AM Mark West via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark West <keywestseccorp at verizon.net>
> > To: rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Tue, Nov 5, 2019 9:28 am
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water tanks
> >
> > Todd,
> >   we removed our water and marine head went with portapotty we didn't
> have
> > access to pump out tanks. That gave us larger storage area. I made a tank
> > installed it under sink against hull. I may go back and make larger
> > holds3.5 gal now for extended cruising we carry more water. When I added
> > the storage drawers I had to shorting the tubes. pic in vice before
> cabinets
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Tue, Nov 5, 2019 9:07 am
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water tanks
> >
> > Todd,
> >
> > Go to the Defender Marine website (www.defender.com<
> > http://www.defender.com>) (800-628-8225) and take a look at the todd M/N
> > 94-1627WH, Defender C/N 503130 water tank.  This tank has a capacity of
> 15
> > gal and the dimensions are 25? L X 11? W X 15? D.  The MOC is FDA & USCG
> > certified polyethylene.  The plumbing and vent connections are molded in
> > and are all female NPT.  The same vender can supply the various plumbing
> > fittings, hose, clamps, and valves to complete the job.
> >
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium came with water tank mounting beds molded into
> the
> > interior of the hull.  On your boat, look behind (i.e. aft of) the
> > floatation foam under the V-berth and in front of the V-berth bulkhead.
> > You should see an empty space sized to fit the above specified tank.  The
> > molded in mounting beds will provide good support for the tank up in the
> > deep V part of the bow .  My water tank mounting beds have slots in them.
> > These slots allow a nylon outboard gas tank strap to be rigged around the
> > water tank.  The water tank is held in place by the floatation foam in
> > front, the V-berth bulkhead behind, and the mounting beds + strap prevent
> > side-to-side and upward movement.  But, this mount still allows the water
> > tank to be removed if necessary.
> >
> > Easy peasy!  I don?t know why anyone would want to go to all the trouble
> > and expense of a permanently mounted water tank when this option is
> > available.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >
> > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> > Windows 10
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> > Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 7:09:28 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water tanks
> >
> > Has anyone built, or considered building a permanent integral water tank?
> > (Peter?)
> > I have been watching several YouTube videos by atomvoyager and he always
> > builds integral tanks and coats the inside of the tank with food grade
> > epoxy. It may be a worthy project as my R 22 does not have a water tank
> at
> > all. But the epoxy is quite expensive.
> >
> > https://youtu.be/bUiV90sPMbU
> >
> > http://www.sscoatings.net/brewcoat.htm
> >
> > Todd T.
> >
> >
> > tavares0947 at gmail.com
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 4, 2019, 8:31 PM Kathy Leone <kathy.leone at qltcls.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Rhodies,
> > >
> > > After many years of sailing on Rhodes 22 sailboats, we are selling our
> > > 2012.  She is in excellent condition with the following items worth
> > > mentioning:
> > > (1) Navy blue hull
> > > (2) 175 Genoa
> > > (3) 9.9 Yahama engine with tiller hookup.  This engine is from the 2004
> > > boat we purchased.  We have been utilizing it on our 2012 and love how
> it
> > > works.  Our mechanic at the marina recently gave the engine an overhaul
> > and
> > > she is purring.  This included a brand new lower unit.
> > > (4) Galvanized trailer
> > > (5) Safety rails
> > >
> > > We are located on Long Beach Island in New Jersey.  We are asking
> > $29,500
> > > per a discussion with Stan and will consider any reasonable offer.
> > >
> > > Thank you and Happy Sailing,
> > >
> > > Kathy
> > > S/V REVERIE
> > > 2012 R22
> > > Long Beach Township, NJ
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From a_czerwonky at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  5 11:08:02 2019
From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 16:08:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water tanks
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Bravo Roger !
Anyone following your advice on how to get the best advantages of this excellent craft will be well advised.
I am getting inquiries on the boomroom from would-be DIY makers.? The design looks simple, the difficulties enormous.? Overall the R22 lends itself well to mods into cruising plus.
Best to you,
Art

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 9:07 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA<roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:   Todd,

Go to the Defender Marine website (www.defender.com<http://www.defender.com>) (800-628-8225) and take a look at the todd M/N 94-1627WH, Defender C/N 503130 water tank.? This tank has a capacity of 15 gal and the dimensions are 25? L X 11? W X 15? D.? The MOC is FDA & USCG certified polyethylene.? The plumbing and vent connections are molded in and are all female NPT.? The same vender can supply the various plumbing fittings, hose, clamps, and valves to complete the job.

S/V Dynamic Equilibrium came with water tank mounting beds molded into the interior of the hull.? On your boat, look behind (i.e. aft of) the floatation foam under the V-berth and in front of the V-berth bulkhead.? You should see an empty space sized to fit the above specified tank.? The molded in mounting beds will provide good support for the tank up in the deep V part of the bow .? My water tank mounting beds have slots in them.? These slots allow a nylon outboard gas tank strap to be rigged around the water tank.? The water tank is held in place by the floatation foam in front, the V-berth bulkhead behind, and the mounting beds + strap prevent side-to-side and upward movement.? But, this mount still allows the water tank to be removed if necessary.

Easy peasy!? I don?t know why anyone would want to go to all the trouble and expense of a permanently mounted water tank when this option is available.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 7:09:28 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water tanks

Has anyone built, or considered building a permanent integral water tank?
(Peter?)
I have been watching several YouTube videos by atomvoyager and he always
builds integral tanks and coats the inside of the tank with food grade
epoxy. It may be a worthy project as my R 22 does not have a water tank at
all. But the epoxy is quite expensive.

https://youtu.be/bUiV90sPMbU

http://www.sscoatings.net/brewcoat.htm

Todd T.


tavares0947 at gmail.com

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019, 8:31 PM Kathy Leone <kathy.leone at qltcls.com> wrote:

> Hello Rhodies,
>
> After many years of sailing on Rhodes 22 sailboats, we are selling our
> 2012.? She is in excellent condition with the following items worth
> mentioning:
> (1) Navy blue hull
> (2) 175 Genoa
> (3) 9.9 Yahama engine with tiller hookup.? This engine is from the 2004
> boat we purchased.? We have been utilizing it on our 2012 and love how it
> works.? Our mechanic at the marina recently gave the engine an overhaul and
> she is purring.? This included a brand new lower unit.
> (4) Galvanized trailer
> (5) Safety rails
>
> We are located on Long Beach Island in New Jersey.? We are asking? $29,500
> per a discussion with Stan and will consider any reasonable offer.
>
> Thank you and Happy Sailing,
>
> Kathy
> S/V REVERIE
> 2012 R22
> Long Beach Township, NJ
>
>
>
>
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Tue Nov  5 11:30:00 2019
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 16:30:00 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unsubscribe from the list
Message-ID: <BN6PR05MB296459896E449B66A59E542AC17E0@BN6PR05MB2964.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

David,
The unsubscribe function is done from this page. Down towards the bottom of the page. - rob

http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of David Talbot
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 10:34 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water tanks

Hi everyone
How do I unsubscribe to this list serve?
(I got a slightly bigger boat)

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 9:57 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Roger!
>
>
>
> tavares0947 at gmail.com
>
> On Tue, Nov 5, 2019, 9:33 AM Mark West via Rhodes22-list < 
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark West <keywestseccorp at verizon.net>
> > To: rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Tue, Nov 5, 2019 9:28 am
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water tanks
> >
> > Todd,
> >   we removed our water and marine head went with portapotty we 
> > didn't
> have
> > access to pump out tanks. That gave us larger storage area. I made a 
> > tank installed it under sink against hull. I may go back and make 
> > larger
> > holds3.5 gal now for extended cruising we carry more water. When I 
> > added the storage drawers I had to shorting the tubes. pic in vice 
> > before
> cabinets
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Tue, Nov 5, 2019 9:07 am
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water tanks
> >
> > Todd,
> >
> > Go to the Defender Marine website (www.defender.com<
> > http://www.defender.com>) (800-628-8225) and take a look at the todd 
> > M/N 94-1627WH, Defender C/N 503130 water tank.  This tank has a 
> > capacity of
> 15
> > gal and the dimensions are 25? L X 11? W X 15? D.  The MOC is FDA & 
> > USCG certified polyethylene.  The plumbing and vent connections are 
> > molded in and are all female NPT.  The same vender can supply the 
> > various plumbing fittings, hose, clamps, and valves to complete the job.
> >
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium came with water tank mounting beds molded 
> > into
> the
> > interior of the hull.  On your boat, look behind (i.e. aft of) the 
> > floatation foam under the V-berth and in front of the V-berth bulkhead.
> > You should see an empty space sized to fit the above specified tank.  
> > The molded in mounting beds will provide good support for the tank 
> > up in the deep V part of the bow .  My water tank mounting beds have slots in them.
> > These slots allow a nylon outboard gas tank strap to be rigged 
> > around the water tank.  The water tank is held in place by the 
> > floatation foam in front, the V-berth bulkhead behind, and the 
> > mounting beds + strap prevent side-to-side and upward movement.  
> > But, this mount still allows the water tank to be removed if necessary.
> >
> > Easy peasy!  I don?t know why anyone would want to go to all the 
> > trouble and expense of a permanently mounted water tank when this 
> > option is available.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >
> > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> > Windows 10
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf 
> > of Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 7:09:28 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water tanks
> >
> > Has anyone built, or considered building a permanent integral water tank?
> > (Peter?)
> > I have been watching several YouTube videos by atomvoyager and he 
> > always builds integral tanks and coats the inside of the tank with 
> > food grade epoxy. It may be a worthy project as my R 22 does not 
> > have a water tank
> at
> > all. But the epoxy is quite expensive.
> >
> > https://youtu.be/bUiV90sPMbU
> >
> > http://www.sscoatings.net/brewcoat.htm
> >
> > Todd T.
> >
> >
> > tavares0947 at gmail.com
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 4, 2019, 8:31 PM Kathy Leone <kathy.leone at qltcls.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Rhodies,
> > >
> > > After many years of sailing on Rhodes 22 sailboats, we are selling 
> > > our 2012.  She is in excellent condition with the following items 
> > > worth
> > > mentioning:
> > > (1) Navy blue hull
> > > (2) 175 Genoa
> > > (3) 9.9 Yahama engine with tiller hookup.  This engine is from the 
> > > 2004 boat we purchased.  We have been utilizing it on our 2012 and 
> > > love how
> it
> > > works.  Our mechanic at the marina recently gave the engine an 
> > > overhaul
> > and
> > > she is purring.  This included a brand new lower unit.
> > > (4) Galvanized trailer
> > > (5) Safety rails
> > >
> > > We are located on Long Beach Island in New Jersey.  We are asking
> > $29,500
> > > per a discussion with Stan and will consider any reasonable offer.
> > >
> > > Thank you and Happy Sailing,
> > >
> > > Kathy
> > > S/V REVERIE
> > > 2012 R22
> > > Long Beach Township, NJ
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Tue Nov  5 13:06:37 2019
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 13:06:37 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water tanks
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMMsH+7gopc4Ax5yPx79v8gs_C2S4QR+DDQwj91aCQWVHQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <08A480A6-EC63-486B-8864-4988D65FF7E9@sunnybeeches.com>

Todd,

I never really considered building in a water tank.  

I use a system similar to what Graham has described.  In my case I use a total of 10 1.25 gallon water jugs.  Eight of these are stored under the v-berth, and 2 against the head partition under the sink.  Having 2 jugs under the sink means that when one runs dry, I can just switch the pump intake tube the other jug and keep going.  I use a self-priming foot pump which doesn?t mind running dry.

I got the jugs from U. S. Plastic Corp (https://www.usplastic.com; item #73061).  I chose the model based on how well it would utilize the space available under the v-berth.  

When cruising, I use about 1 jug a day, so the 10 jugs is plenty for a week-long cruise.

 Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)


> On Nov 5, 2019, at 7:09 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Has anyone built, or considered building a permanent integral water tank?
> (Peter?)
> I have been watching several YouTube videos by atomvoyager and he always
> builds integral tanks and coats the inside of the tank with food grade
> epoxy. It may be a worthy project as my R 22 does not have a water tank at
> all. But the epoxy is quite expensive.
> 
> https://youtu.be/bUiV90sPMbU
> 
> http://www.sscoatings.net/brewcoat.htm
> 
> Todd T.
> 
> 
> tavares0947 at gmail.com
> 


From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Tue Nov  5 13:33:35 2019
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 18:33:35 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Boom Room
In-Reply-To: <112296972.954656.1572970082728@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAB-twMMsH+7gopc4Ax5yPx79v8gs_C2S4QR+DDQwj91aCQWVHQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <BL0PR02MB464366EF0CC935B4FC5F211C807E0@BL0PR02MB4643.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>,
 <112296972.954656.1572970082728@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BL0PR02MB4643898E923F1F57EB8B32D0807E0@BL0PR02MB4643.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Art,

If you look on the photo website, you will see two photos of my boom room.  I think there is also a photo of my boat tied up to a dock at Kelly?s Island in Lake Erie, OH with just the boom room roof deployed.  I made the boom room myself by adding roof extensions and side curtains to my Bimini top.  When not in use, the front and rear roof extensions roll up under the Bimini top and are secured there with straps and snaps.  My boom room is designed to be used in conjunction with the GBI OEM pop top enclosure, which came with my boat.  The front roof extension goes all the way forward to the mast and covers the entire width of the deck all the way to the rail, port & starboard, alongside of the pop top enclosure.  This enables the front roof extension to function as an awning over the sides of the pop top enclosure.  Having an awning allows the side windows to be left open for ventilation in all but the most driving rain.  The downside of this design is that to go forward to the bow, you must go outside the rail and shuffle sideways along the toe rail until you are forward of the mast.  However, the boom room is normally only used at anchor or a dock, so going outside the rail is not usually a big deal.

This was, by far, the most difficult canvas fabrication project I have ever attempted!  It took me several months of sewing over a whole winter with lots of visits to the boat to check fit.  I?d never do it again!  However, you may be a more skilled canvas worker than I.  I wish you good luck!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 11:08:02 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water tanks

Bravo Roger !
Anyone following your advice on how to get the best advantages of this excellent craft will be well advised.
I am getting inquiries on the boomroom from would-be DIY makers.  The design looks simple, the difficulties enormous.  Overall the R22 lends itself well to mods into cruising plus.
Best to you,
Art

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

  On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 9:07 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA<roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:   Todd,

Go to the Defender Marine website (www.defender.com<http://www.defender.com<http://www.defender.com<http://www.defender.com>>) (800-628-8225) and take a look at the todd M/N 94-1627WH, Defender C/N 503130 water tank.  This tank has a capacity of 15 gal and the dimensions are 25? L X 11? W X 15? D.  The MOC is FDA & USCG certified polyethylene.  The plumbing and vent connections are molded in and are all female NPT.  The same vender can supply the various plumbing fittings, hose, clamps, and valves to complete the job.

S/V Dynamic Equilibrium came with water tank mounting beds molded into the interior of the hull.  On your boat, look behind (i.e. aft of) the floatation foam under the V-berth and in front of the V-berth bulkhead.  You should see an empty space sized to fit the above specified tank.  The molded in mounting beds will provide good support for the tank up in the deep V part of the bow .  My water tank mounting beds have slots in them.  These slots allow a nylon outboard gas tank strap to be rigged around the water tank.  The water tank is held in place by the floatation foam in front, the V-berth bulkhead behind, and the mounting beds + strap prevent side-to-side and upward movement.  But, this mount still allows the water tank to be removed if necessary.

Easy peasy!  I don?t know why anyone would want to go to all the trouble and expense of a permanently mounted water tank when this option is available.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 7:09:28 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water tanks

Has anyone built, or considered building a permanent integral water tank?
(Peter?)
I have been watching several YouTube videos by atomvoyager and he always
builds integral tanks and coats the inside of the tank with food grade
epoxy. It may be a worthy project as my R 22 does not have a water tank at
all. But the epoxy is quite expensive.

https://youtu.be/bUiV90sPMbU

http://www.sscoatings.net/brewcoat.htm

Todd T.


tavares0947 at gmail.com

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019, 8:31 PM Kathy Leone <kathy.leone at qltcls.com> wrote:

> Hello Rhodies,
>
> After many years of sailing on Rhodes 22 sailboats, we are selling our
> 2012.  She is in excellent condition with the following items worth
> mentioning:
> (1) Navy blue hull
> (2) 175 Genoa
> (3) 9.9 Yahama engine with tiller hookup.  This engine is from the 2004
> boat we purchased.  We have been utilizing it on our 2012 and love how it
> works.  Our mechanic at the marina recently gave the engine an overhaul and
> she is purring.  This included a brand new lower unit.
> (4) Galvanized trailer
> (5) Safety rails
>
> We are located on Long Beach Island in New Jersey.  We are asking  $29,500
> per a discussion with Stan and will consider any reasonable offer.
>
> Thank you and Happy Sailing,
>
> Kathy
> S/V REVERIE
> 2012 R22
> Long Beach Township, NJ
>
>
>
>
>
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Tue Nov  5 16:20:05 2019
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (mweisner at ebsmed.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 16:20:05 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Boom Room
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For those looking for Roger's photos, try these links:

http://rhodes22.org/rhodes/pics/bimini_room_1.jpg
http://rhodes22.org/rhodes/pics/bimini_room_2.jpg
http://rhodes22.org/rhodes/pics/biminitop3.jpg

lots more good stuff at:
http://rhodes22.org/rhodes/tech.html

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER
PIHLAJA
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 1:34 PM
To: Art Czerwonky <a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>; The Rhodes 22 Email List
<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Boom Room

Art,

If you look on the photo website, you will see two photos of my boom room.
I think there is also a photo of my boat tied up to a dock at Kelly's Island
in Lake Erie, OH with just the boom room roof deployed.  I made the boom
room myself by adding roof extensions and side curtains to my Bimini top.
When not in use, the front and rear roof extensions roll up under the Bimini
top and are secured there with straps and snaps.  My boom room is designed
to be used in conjunction with the GBI OEM pop top enclosure, which came
with my boat.  The front roof extension goes all the way forward to the mast
and covers the entire width of the deck all the way to the rail, port &
starboard, alongside of the pop top enclosure.  This enables the front roof
extension to function as an awning over the sides of the pop top enclosure.
Having an awning allows the side windows to be left open for ventilation in
all but the most driving rain.  The downside of this design is that to go
forward to the bow, you must go outside the rail and shuffle sideways along
the toe rail until you are forward of the mast.  However, the boom room is
normally only used at anchor or a dock, so going outside the rail is not
usually a big deal.

This was, by far, the most difficult canvas fabrication project I have ever
attempted!  It took me several months of sewing over a whole winter with
lots of visits to the boat to check fit.  I'd never do it again!  However,
you may be a more skilled canvas worker than I.  I wish you good luck!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
10

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Art
Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 11:08:02 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water tanks

Bravo Roger !
Anyone following your advice on how to get the best advantages of this
excellent craft will be well advised.
I am getting inquiries on the boomroom from would-be DIY makers.  The design
looks simple, the difficulties enormous.  Overall the R22 lends itself well
to mods into cruising plus.
Best to you,
Art

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

  On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 9:07 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA<roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
wrote:   Todd,

Go to the Defender Marine website
(www.defender.com<http://www.defender.com<http://www.defender.com<http://www
.defender.com>>) (800-628-8225) and take a look at the todd M/N 94-1627WH,
Defender C/N 503130 water tank.  This tank has a capacity of 15 gal and the
dimensions are 25" L X 11" W X 15" D.  The MOC is FDA & USCG certified
polyethylene.  The plumbing and vent connections are molded in and are all
female NPT.  The same vender can supply the various plumbing fittings, hose,
clamps, and valves to complete the job.

S/V Dynamic Equilibrium came with water tank mounting beds molded into the
interior of the hull.  On your boat, look behind (i.e. aft of) the
floatation foam under the V-berth and in front of the V-berth bulkhead.  You
should see an empty space sized to fit the above specified tank.  The molded
in mounting beds will provide good support for the tank up in the deep V
part of the bow .  My water tank mounting beds have slots in them.  These
slots allow a nylon outboard gas tank strap to be rigged around the water
tank.  The water tank is held in place by the floatation foam in front, the
V-berth bulkhead behind, and the mounting beds + strap prevent side-to-side
and upward movement.  But, this mount still allows the water tank to be
removed if necessary.

Easy peasy!  I don't know why anyone would want to go to all the trouble and
expense of a permanently mounted water tank when this option is available.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
10

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Todd
Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 7:09:28 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water tanks

Has anyone built, or considered building a permanent integral water tank?
(Peter?)
I have been watching several YouTube videos by atomvoyager and he always
builds integral tanks and coats the inside of the tank with food grade
epoxy. It may be a worthy project as my R 22 does not have a water tank at
all. But the epoxy is quite expensive.

https://youtu.be/bUiV90sPMbU

http://www.sscoatings.net/brewcoat.htm

Todd T.


tavares0947 at gmail.com

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019, 8:31 PM Kathy Leone <kathy.leone at qltcls.com> wrote:

> Hello Rhodies,
>
> After many years of sailing on Rhodes 22 sailboats, we are selling our 
> 2012.  She is in excellent condition with the following items worth
> mentioning:
> (1) Navy blue hull
> (2) 175 Genoa
> (3) 9.9 Yahama engine with tiller hookup.  This engine is from the 
> 2004 boat we purchased.  We have been utilizing it on our 2012 and 
> love how it works.  Our mechanic at the marina recently gave the 
> engine an overhaul and she is purring.  This included a brand new lower
unit.
> (4) Galvanized trailer
> (5) Safety rails
>
> We are located on Long Beach Island in New Jersey.  We are asking  
> $29,500 per a discussion with Stan and will consider any reasonable offer.
>
> Thank you and Happy Sailing,
>
> Kathy
> S/V REVERIE
> 2012 R22
> Long Beach Township, NJ
>
>
>
>
>
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Tue Nov  5 21:18:26 2019
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 02:18:26 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Boom Room
In-Reply-To: <005601d5941e$cbf86100$63e92300$@ebsmed.com>
References: <CAB-twMMsH+7gopc4Ax5yPx79v8gs_C2S4QR+DDQwj91aCQWVHQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <BL0PR02MB464366EF0CC935B4FC5F211C807E0@BL0PR02MB4643.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>,
 <112296972.954656.1572970082728@mail.yahoo.com>
 <BL0PR02MB4643898E923F1F57EB8B32D0807E0@BL0PR02MB4643.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>,
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Thanks Mike,

That 3rd photo of the boom room was actually taken on Lake Charlevoix, MI.
  [cid:image002.jpg at 01D5941E.43CA7890] <http://rhodes22.org/rhodes/pics/biminitop3.jpg>

The photo of my boat with just the boom room top deployed at Kelly?s Island, OH is:
[cid:image001.jpg at 01D5941E.8ECC48A0]<http://rhodes22.org/rhodes/pics/BiminiTop4.jpg>

Deploying just the top makes the cockpit much cooler on a hot day

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________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of mweisner at ebsmed.com <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 4:20:05 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Boom Room

For those looking for Roger's photos, try these links:

http://rhodes22.org/rhodes/pics/bimini_room_1.jpg
http://rhodes22.org/rhodes/pics/bimini_room_2.jpg
http://rhodes22.org/rhodes/pics/biminitop3.jpg

lots more good stuff at:
http://rhodes22.org/rhodes/tech.html

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER
PIHLAJA
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 1:34 PM
To: Art Czerwonky <a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>; The Rhodes 22 Email List
<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Boom Room

Art,

If you look on the photo website, you will see two photos of my boom room.
I think there is also a photo of my boat tied up to a dock at Kelly's Island
in Lake Erie, OH with just the boom room roof deployed.  I made the boom
room myself by adding roof extensions and side curtains to my Bimini top.
When not in use, the front and rear roof extensions roll up under the Bimini
top and are secured there with straps and snaps.  My boom room is designed
to be used in conjunction with the GBI OEM pop top enclosure, which came
with my boat.  The front roof extension goes all the way forward to the mast
and covers the entire width of the deck all the way to the rail, port &
starboard, alongside of the pop top enclosure.  This enables the front roof
extension to function as an awning over the sides of the pop top enclosure.
Having an awning allows the side windows to be left open for ventilation in
all but the most driving rain.  The downside of this design is that to go
forward to the bow, you must go outside the rail and shuffle sideways along
the toe rail until you are forward of the mast.  However, the boom room is
normally only used at anchor or a dock, so going outside the rail is not
usually a big deal.

This was, by far, the most difficult canvas fabrication project I have ever
attempted!  It took me several months of sewing over a whole winter with
lots of visits to the boat to check fit.  I'd never do it again!  However,
you may be a more skilled canvas worker than I.  I wish you good luck!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
10

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Art
Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 11:08:02 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water tanks

Bravo Roger !
Anyone following your advice on how to get the best advantages of this
excellent craft will be well advised.
I am getting inquiries on the boomroom from would-be DIY makers.  The design
looks simple, the difficulties enormous.  Overall the R22 lends itself well
to mods into cruising plus.
Best to you,
Art

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

  On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 9:07 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA<roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
wrote:   Todd,

Go to the Defender Marine website
(<http://>www.defender.com<http://www.defender.com<http://www.defender.com<http://www
.defender.com>>) (800-628-8225) and take a look at the todd M/N 94-1627WH,
Defender C/N 503130 water tank.  This tank has a capacity of 15 gal and the
dimensions are 25" L X 11" W X 15" D.  The MOC is FDA & USCG certified
polyethylene.  The plumbing and vent connections are molded in and are all
female NPT.  The same vender can supply the various plumbing fittings, hose,
clamps, and valves to complete the job.

S/V Dynamic Equilibrium came with water tank mounting beds molded into the
interior of the hull.  On your boat, look behind (i.e. aft of) the
floatation foam under the V-berth and in front of the V-berth bulkhead.  You
should see an empty space sized to fit the above specified tank.  The molded
in mounting beds will provide good support for the tank up in the deep V
part of the bow .  My water tank mounting beds have slots in them.  These
slots allow a nylon outboard gas tank strap to be rigged around the water
tank.  The water tank is held in place by the floatation foam in front, the
V-berth bulkhead behind, and the mounting beds + strap prevent side-to-side
and upward movement.  But, this mount still allows the water tank to be
removed if necessary.

Easy peasy!  I don't know why anyone would want to go to all the trouble and
expense of a permanently mounted water tank when this option is available.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
10

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Todd
Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 7:09:28 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water tanks

Has anyone built, or considered building a permanent integral water tank?
(Peter?)
I have been watching several YouTube videos by atomvoyager and he always
builds integral tanks and coats the inside of the tank with food grade
epoxy. It may be a worthy project as my R 22 does not have a water tank at
all. But the epoxy is quite expensive.

https://youtu.be/bUiV90sPMbU

http://www.sscoatings.net/brewcoat.htm

Todd T.


tavares0947 at gmail.com

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019, 8:31 PM Kathy Leone <kathy.leone at qltcls.com> wrote:

> Hello Rhodies,
>
> After many years of sailing on Rhodes 22 sailboats, we are selling our
> 2012.  She is in excellent condition with the following items worth
> mentioning:
> (1) Navy blue hull
> (2) 175 Genoa
> (3) 9.9 Yahama engine with tiller hookup.  This engine is from the
> 2004 boat we purchased.  We have been utilizing it on our 2012 and
> love how it works.  Our mechanic at the marina recently gave the
> engine an overhaul and she is purring.  This included a brand new lower
unit.
> (4) Galvanized trailer
> (5) Safety rails
>
> We are located on Long Beach Island in New Jersey.  We are asking
> $29,500 per a discussion with Stan and will consider any reasonable offer.
>
> Thank you and Happy Sailing,
>
> Kathy
> S/V REVERIE
> 2012 R22
> Long Beach Township, NJ
>
>
>
>
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From a_czerwonky at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  5 22:32:10 2019
From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 03:32:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Boom Room
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Roger,
Thanks for the photos.? Your design is entirely different from what I've made since 2006.? I can imagine the time you spent with fabrication, also in assembly and disassembly for a trip.? I salute your efforts towards a true cruising R22.
My first whack at a boomroom had a similar shape with squared edges.? I opted against the design and a BR utilizing the traditional Bimini - just too lumpy.? The BR Slim used was smoother but bulbous instead of streamlined.? ? My ultimate shape was made to be slim yet roomy, conforming to the boat lines.? The streamlined shape gave it greater strength and durability.? The conformity with the boat lines gave it stablity, even is stormy conditions.? At night the wind would point the bow at anchor into the wind consistently and without constant "searching" and rocking, important as the retracted centerboard will otherwise make much noise banging against the cb trunk all night long.
I could go on and on and on....
The demand might justify a business model, but DIYers may first sew their hearts our from the need for necessary experience.? Once used, a proven "system" is invaluable and necessary. Problem is that you don't really have a system after one try.? I got it together with many generations of my BR.? While this may sound like some kind of self promotion, it proved in time after time.? I created the current BR after about five generations, each an improvement on the former.? I got so many skippers pleased, and that is the only important 'bottom line'
I expect to make the BR top for DIYers to come, ang give them the ability to do the rest and realize a significant savings.? One of them may choose to carry on when I stop doing this.? You would not want to make another of your BR config, but someone will enjoy putting mine together, just like I have over and over and over again.? Again, Roger, I send my greatest respect for what you have done for this fleet and hope we can stay connected on the list.
Best to you,Art

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If you look on the photo website, you will see two photos of my boom room.? I think there is also a photo of my boat tied up to a dock at Kelly?s Island in Lake Erie, OH with just the boom room roof deployed.? I made the boom room myself by adding roof extensions and side curtains to my Bimini top.? When not in use, the front and rear roof extensions roll up under the Bimini top and are secured there with straps and snaps.? My boom room is designed to be used in conjunction with the GBI OEM pop top enclosure, which came with my boat.? The front roof extension goes all the way forward to the mast and covers the entire width of the deck all the way to the rail, port & starboard, alongside of the pop top enclosure.? This enables the front roof extension to function as an awning over the sides of the pop top enclosure.? Having an awning allows the side windows to be left open for ventilation in all but the most driving rain.? The downside of this design is that to go forward to the bow, you must go outside the rail and shuffle sideways along the toe rail until you are forward of the mast.? However, the boom room is normally only used at anchor or a dock, so going outside the rail is not usually a big deal.

 ?
 
This was, by far, the most difficult canvas fabrication project I have ever attempted!? It took me several months of sewing over a whole winter with lots of visits to the boat to check fit.? I?d never do it again!? However, you may be a more skilled canvas worker than I.? I wish you good luck!

 ?
 
Roger Pihlaja

S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

 ?
 
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 From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 11:08:02 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water tanks?Bravo Roger !
Anyone following your advice on how to get the best advantages of this excellent craft will be well advised.
I am getting inquiries on the boomroom from would-be DIY makers.? The design looks simple, the difficulties enormous.? Overall the R22 lends itself well to mods into cruising plus.
Best to you,
Art

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? On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 9:07 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA<roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:?? Todd,

Go to the Defender Marine website (www.defender.com<http://www.defender.com>) (800-628-8225) and take a look at the todd M/N 94-1627WH, Defender C/N 503130 water tank.? This tank has a capacity of 15 gal and the dimensions are 25? L X 11? W X 15? D.? The MOC is FDA & USCG certified polyethylene.? The plumbing and vent connections are molded in and are all female NPT.? The same vender can supply the various plumbing fittings, hose, clamps, and valves to complete the job.

S/V Dynamic Equilibrium came with water tank mounting beds molded into the interior of the hull.? On your boat, look behind (i.e. aft of) the floatation foam under the V-berth and in front of the V-berth bulkhead.? You should see an empty space sized to fit the above specified tank.? The molded in mounting beds will provide good support for the tank up in the deep V part of the bow .? My water tank mounting beds have slots in them.? These slots allow a nylon outboard gas tank strap to be rigged around the water tank.? The water tank is held in place by the floatation foam in front, the V-berth bulkhead behind, and the mounting beds + strap prevent side-to-side and upward movement.? But, this mount still allows the water tank to be removed if necessary.

Easy peasy!? I don?t know why anyone would want to go to all the trouble and expense of a permanently mounted water tank when this option is available.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019 7:09:28 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water tanks

Has anyone built, or considered building a permanent integral water tank?
(Peter?)
I have been watching several YouTube videos by atomvoyager and he always
builds integral tanks and coats the inside of the tank with food grade
epoxy. It may be a worthy project as my R 22 does not have a water tank at
all. But the epoxy is quite expensive.

https://youtu.be/bUiV90sPMbU

http://www.sscoatings.net/brewcoat.htm

Todd T.


tavares0947 at gmail.com

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019, 8:31 PM Kathy Leone <kathy.leone at qltcls.com> wrote:

> Hello Rhodies,
>
> After many years of sailing on Rhodes 22 sailboats, we are selling our
> 2012.? She is in excellent condition with the following items worth
> mentioning:
> (1) Navy blue hull
> (2) 175 Genoa
> (3) 9.9 Yahama engine with tiller hookup.? This engine is from the 2004
> boat we purchased.? We have been utilizing it on our 2012 and love how it
> works.? Our mechanic at the marina recently gave the engine an overhaul and
> she is purring.? This included a brand new lower unit.
> (4) Galvanized trailer
> (5) Safety rails
>
> We are located on Long Beach Island in New Jersey.? We are asking? $29,500
> per a discussion with Stan and will consider any reasonable offer.
>
> Thank you and Happy Sailing,
>
> Kathy
> S/V REVERIE
> 2012 R22
> Long Beach Township, NJ
>
>
>
>
>
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From jcbblackb at gmail.com  Wed Nov  6 14:36:43 2019
From: jcbblackb at gmail.com (JC Blackburn)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 12:36:43 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Painting
Message-ID: <1573069003061-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Hello,

Thought some might like the painting my brother-in-law did of my R22 - It
looks huge from this angle!

Best Regards
John Blackburn
Snow Hill Maryland
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From michael.4591 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  6 18:32:10 2019
From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 18:32:10 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Painting
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Wow!  That is a very good painting and a very unusual angle.

Mike Corley
S/V Ranger
Hampton Roads

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 2:24 PM JC Blackburn <jcbblackb at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Thought some might like the painting my brother-in-law did of my R22 - It
> looks huge from this angle!
>
> Best Regards
> John Blackburn
> Snow Hill Maryland
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t710/rhodes_22.jpg>
>
>
>
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From hnw555 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  6 19:23:52 2019
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 19:23:52 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Painting
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Wow, he's a very talented artist! Very nice!

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019, 14:24 JC Blackburn <jcbblackb at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Thought some might like the painting my brother-in-law did of my R22 - It
> looks huge from this angle!
>
> Best Regards
> John Blackburn
> Snow Hill Maryland
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t710/rhodes_22.jpg>
>
>
>
> --
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Wed Nov  6 19:46:40 2019
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 19:46:40 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Painting
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References: <1573069003061-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Wow. Fabulous paining.

Graham Stewart
Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
Kingston Ontario



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JC Blackburn
Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2019 2:37 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Painting

Hello,

Thought some might like the painting my brother-in-law did of my R22 - It
looks huge from this angle!

Best Regards
John Blackburn
Snow Hill Maryland
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t710/rhodes_22.jpg> 



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From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com  Wed Nov  6 20:18:24 2019
From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 20:18:24 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Painting
In-Reply-To: <005b01d59504$d2ed1be0$78c753a0$@ca>
References: <005b01d59504$d2ed1be0$78c753a0$@ca>
Message-ID: <EC731F10-C8F4-452B-A85A-1058EA828856@gmail.com>

Fabulous

> On Nov 6, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> ?Wow. Fabulous paining.
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> Kingston Ontario
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> JC Blackburn
> Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2019 2:37 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Painting
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Thought some might like the painting my brother-in-law did of my R22 - It
> looks huge from this angle!
> 
> Best Regards
> John Blackburn
> Snow Hill Maryland
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t710/rhodes_22.jpg> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> 

From shawn.sustain at gmail.com  Wed Nov  6 20:36:40 2019
From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 17:36:40 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Painting
In-Reply-To: <1573069003061-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1573069003061-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAMzGxuOb2yE7Nn_HvZ=N6gZomVRPfrArUY3tBUKoCBnfNtyzpg@mail.gmail.com>

Your brother has quite the eye.

Shawn

s/v Sweet Baboo

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019, 11:24 AM JC Blackburn <jcbblackb at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Thought some might like the painting my brother-in-law did of my R22 - It
> looks huge from this angle!
>
> Best Regards
> John Blackburn
> Snow Hill Maryland
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t710/rhodes_22.jpg>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From rbeytagh at gmail.com  Wed Nov  6 20:39:17 2019
From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (Richard Beytagh)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 20:39:17 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Painting
In-Reply-To: <CAMzGxuOb2yE7Nn_HvZ=N6gZomVRPfrArUY3tBUKoCBnfNtyzpg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1573069003061-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CAMzGxuOb2yE7Nn_HvZ=N6gZomVRPfrArUY3tBUKoCBnfNtyzpg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALbDJ9aVuHE0o_SnX3XP979i73FmJF3N0b1WQZCGziEzXmj+Vw@mail.gmail.com>

How did he get his easel to stay afloat?

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019, 8:36 PM Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com> wrote:

> Your brother has quite the eye.
>
> Shawn
>
> s/v Sweet Baboo
>
> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019, 11:24 AM JC Blackburn <jcbblackb at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Thought some might like the painting my brother-in-law did of my R22 - It
> > looks huge from this angle!
> >
> > Best Regards
> > John Blackburn
> > Snow Hill Maryland
> > <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t710/rhodes_22.jpg>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >
>

From morrisix at comcast.net  Thu Nov  7 14:42:37 2019
From: morrisix at comcast.net (Bill)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 12:42:37 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Painting
In-Reply-To: <CACSd1jK8+nk96ykx1caTGi6Yt6dv1qhLPrpUDK23kPdG-pNQdA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1573069003061-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CACSd1jK8+nk96ykx1caTGi6Yt6dv1qhLPrpUDK23kPdG-pNQdA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1573155757945-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

The detail is incredible!!!



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From edmc18 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  8 04:33:02 2019
From: edmc18 at gmail.com (Ed McNamara)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 04:33:02 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Painting
In-Reply-To: <1573155757945-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1573069003061-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CACSd1jK8+nk96ykx1caTGi6Yt6dv1qhLPrpUDK23kPdG-pNQdA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1573155757945-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAC-_suRv1wbxoibL1XX4=pi3pje+eGUj2ghH1wteYom=PEq5Vg@mail.gmail.com>

Beautiful job!

Ed McNamara
s/v Scholar
Smith Mountain Lake VA

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On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 2:30 PM Bill <morrisix at comcast.net> wrote:

> The detail is incredible!!!
>
>
>
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>

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  8 08:21:37 2019
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 08:21:37 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Painting
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I had to look at it hard to be sure it wasn't a photograph....

tavares0947 at gmail.com

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019, 2:24 PM JC Blackburn <jcbblackb at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Thought some might like the painting my brother-in-law did of my R22 - It
> looks huge from this angle!
>
> Best Regards
> John Blackburn
> Snow Hill Maryland
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t710/rhodes_22.jpg>
>
>
>
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Fri Nov  8 10:01:28 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 09:01:28 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Painting
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Great painting! Must have used ?water paints? (grin).

On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 at 19:39, Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com> wrote:

> How did he get his easel to stay afloat?
>
> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019, 8:36 PM Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Your brother has quite the eye.
> >
> > Shawn
> >
> > s/v Sweet Baboo
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 6, 2019, 11:24 AM JC Blackburn <jcbblackb at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Thought some might like the painting my brother-in-law did of my R22 -
> It
> > > looks huge from this angle!
> > >
> > > Best Regards
> > > John Blackburn
> > > Snow Hill Maryland
> > > <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t710/rhodes_22.jpg>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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> > >
> >
>

From gramille at tds.net  Fri Nov  8 11:18:42 2019
From: gramille at tds.net (gramille)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 09:18:42 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Painting
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Beautiful painting of a beautiful boat!
Did he work from a photo? I imagine a photo taken from a dinghy or kayak? 
Cheers
Graham - sv "00Sailin"



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From allynb at adsne.com  Fri Nov  8 18:48:13 2019
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 23:48:13 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list]
	=?windows-1252?q?Rhodes_didn=92t_come_with_an_anc?=
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Thanks for the info. I'll look around for something similar, but I have a little time to work through this. The photos I've seen where the anchor hangs from the bow pulpit looks nice. Where do you store the rode? Sorry for the late reply, but I came down with something last weekend, and it's been all I can do to finish up work each day. Take care.
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2019 4:11 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes didn?t come with an anchor

Allyn,

My boat came out of the General Boats ?Recycle? program with a Fortress FX7.  It hangs from the bow pulpit, and the end of the shaft is pinned to a U bracket at the very tip of the bow.      It?s an elegant storage solution, but a bit tricky to implement as the length of the hangers plus the length of the anchor have to be right with a pretty close tolerance to get the hole at the end of the anchor shaft to line up with the pin at the bow.  If you want to take this approach, I?d suggest you contact General Boats and see if they can supply you with appropriate hardware.

But, as much as I thought that location for the anchor was clever, it never seemed very convenient. I?ve never anchored with the Fortress.

I use a 15 lb Manson Supreme.  Prior to this season (now behind us, alas),  I?ve kept this in a Rubbermaid tub in the lazarette along with its rode.  The rode is 10? of 1/4? chain and 200? of 3/8? three strand nylon.  The rode is coiled in a 2.5 gallon bucket from the Home Depot paint department.  When I?m approaching an anchorage, I?ll take the tub from the lazarette, carry it through the cockpit and the cabin and place it on the forward cabin roof (I almost always have the pop-top up when underway).  When I?m ready to anchor, I?ll walk up to the bow and and throw the anchor over.

Last winter I added a bow sprit and a bow roller, so now the Manson lives on the bow full time.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On Nov 2, 2019, at 9:07 AM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>
> I?ll soon be needing an anchor, but I?m not sure if the best way to set this up. I?ve read the posts about rope/chain, so I?m good there. I?ve seen the anchor on Rhodes in the pictures hanging up front. How do you secure the anchor? Also, what?s the best way to store the anchor rode? There is a leaking deck plate I?ll be fixing ASAP, but without cutting a hole, there is no way to put the ride in there. I thought maybe I?ll have to disconnect the anchor each time. Thanks
>
> Sent from my iPhone


From allynb at adsne.com  Fri Nov  8 18:58:47 2019
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 23:58:47 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list]
 =?utf-8?q?Rhodes_didn=E2=80=99t_come_with_an_anch?= =?utf-8?q?or?=
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Peter, great video, and I really like the results. I have another weekend project for this winter. Thanks for sharing.
________________________________
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Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2019 7:14 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes didn?t come with an anchor

This is our anchor option


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On Nov 2, 2019, at 7:18 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

?Mike,

I?m trying hard not to sound like a wise-ass when I say that while I have no pictures of the sprit and roller project, I do have a YouTube video.  Hopefully, this link will take you there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjfAbxuFZas

?Peter

On Nov 2, 2019, at 5:35 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:

Peter,

Do you have pics of the sprit & roller?

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2019 5:12 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes didn?t come with an anchor

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Last winter I added a bow sprit and a bow roller, so now the Manson lives on the bow full time.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

On Nov 2, 2019, at 9:07 AM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:

I?ll soon be needing an anchor, but I?m not sure if the best way to set this up. I?ve read the posts about rope/chain, so I?m good there. I?ve seen the anchor on Rhodes in the pictures hanging up front. How do you secure the anchor? Also, what?s the best way to store the anchor rode? There is a leaking deck plate I?ll be fixing ASAP, but without cutting a hole, there is no way to put the ride in there. I thought maybe I?ll have to disconnect the anchor each time. Thanks

Sent from my iPhone



From allynb at adsne.com  Fri Nov  8 19:17:45 2019
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 00:17:45 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] =?utf-8?q?Unsure_how_to_remove_=E2=80=9Chose?=
 =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=9D_for_centerboard_line?=
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I attached a photo to the email, but I guess the server stripped it off. Here is a link to what I sent:

https://1drv.ms/u/s!ApL2Pe-LKYIig0cINC3Nisn4lETt?e=9jRb5h

As I said, there are two layers of tubes, and these are *very* stiff. I've raised the tube as high as it can go, so when I raise it further, the fiberglass cabin threshold raises up. I'm concerned about breaking fiberglass past this point. Goodness, I'll grab some of the cheap hose and give that a shot - I'll simply cut the old tube off with a knife.

** I do have one question - there is a clamp at the top of the tube, and it is surrounded by fiberglass. There is no way of getting a screwdriver or nut driver in there apart from cutting out more fiberglass as far as I can tell. Is there any other option?

It's rained a lot this week. I drained 10 gallons out of the boat last week, and I'd say there is at least another gallon in it. I have 4 tubes of the 3M 4200 sealant - maybe I can get some of this resolved over the weekend.
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2019 9:05 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Unsure how to remove ?hose? for centerboard line

Mine is a section of water hose between two through-hulls. The line runs through it and also the cockpit seat water drains into the centerboard trunk.  The problem when i got my boat was someone had cut the hose too short and it was leaking into the cabin.  (32 + points of water ingress.)
Water hoses are all the wrong size for the through hulls.  I found a best fit from dollar general cheap 1/2? hose. I heated it with a heat gun and managed to slip it all together with butyl rubber sealant on the barbs.
The trick is getting the line through the hose while bending it enough to get it on the through hull barbs.  A heat gun is needed to soften the hose but keep the line moving inside so it doesnt melt.

Bob (palatka)

> On Nov 3, 2019, at 9:23 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>
> ?A picture would help as your arrangements might be a non-standard setup. The tube for my line is held in place with a hose clamp and is removed easily.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Allyn Baskerville
> Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2019 3:24 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unsure how to remove ?hose? for centerboard line
>
> I thought taking off the 52 or so screws was going to be the time consuming part, but I?ve spent more time trying to take off the hose assembly that goes around the centerboard line into the cabin. I?ve searched the forums, but I?m probably looking for the wrong part. I?m not sure what this is called, but I need to replace the line to the centerboard, and this is in the way. The hose looks double layered, and it?s very stiff. I recently bought this boat and removed 10 gallons of water from the bilge. It seems as if water has been leaking in here among a dozen other places. Can anyone provide me with ideas for taking the hose off? Thanks
>
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Fri Nov  8 20:24:47 2019
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 20:24:47 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] =?utf-8?q?Unsure_how_to_remove_=E2=80=9Chose?=
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Hi Allyn:
Your arrangement certainly looks different from mine but my boat is a 1976 and all this might have changed. Nevertheless, the hose shown is very large reingorces drainage hose and would be very stiff especially over such a short distance. It looks like it would be about 1 1/4" diameter. It is not clear what it is connected to. In my case the tube goes over the barb of a thru hull that is attached to the aft end of the housing cap. Because it is a standard size thru hull (I think it is 3/4" but can't be sure) a piece of reinforced clear tubing fits perfectly. The tubing is very flexible and I have no problem fitting it onto the barb with the line inside. You might need to replace what is there with a proper thru hull fitting. 

As for getting access to the hose clamp at the other end, as I recall, I needed to drill a hole in the covering fiber glass so that I could tighten and release the hose clamp. Mind you I also replaced the thru hull at that point as well and removing some fiberglass was necessary to get access to the thru hull nut.


Graham Stewart
Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
Kingston Ontario




-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Allyn Baskerville
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 7:18 PM
To: Goodness; The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Unsure how to remove ?hose? for centerboard line

I attached a photo to the email, but I guess the server stripped it off. Here is a link to what I sent:

https://1drv.ms/u/s!ApL2Pe-LKYIig0cINC3Nisn4lETt?e=9jRb5h

As I said, there are two layers of tubes, and these are *very* stiff. I've raised the tube as high as it can go, so when I raise it further, the fiberglass cabin threshold raises up. I'm concerned about breaking fiberglass past this point. Goodness, I'll grab some of the cheap hose and give that a shot - I'll simply cut the old tube off with a knife.

** I do have one question - there is a clamp at the top of the tube, and it is surrounded by fiberglass. There is no way of getting a screwdriver or nut driver in there apart from cutting out more fiberglass as far as I can tell. Is there any other option?

It's rained a lot this week. I drained 10 gallons out of the boat last week, and I'd say there is at least another gallon in it. I have 4 tubes of the 3M 4200 sealant - maybe I can get some of this resolved over the weekend.
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2019 9:05 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Unsure how to remove ?hose? for centerboard line

Mine is a section of water hose between two through-hulls. The line runs through it and also the cockpit seat water drains into the centerboard trunk.  The problem when i got my boat was someone had cut the hose too short and it was leaking into the cabin.  (32 + points of water ingress.)
Water hoses are all the wrong size for the through hulls.  I found a best fit from dollar general cheap 1/2? hose. I heated it with a heat gun and managed to slip it all together with butyl rubber sealant on the barbs.
The trick is getting the line through the hose while bending it enough to get it on the through hull barbs.  A heat gun is needed to soften the hose but keep the line moving inside so it doesnt melt.

Bob (palatka)

> On Nov 3, 2019, at 9:23 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>
> ?A picture would help as your arrangements might be a non-standard setup. The tube for my line is held in place with a hose clamp and is removed easily.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Allyn Baskerville
> Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2019 3:24 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unsure how to remove ?hose? for centerboard line
>
> I thought taking off the 52 or so screws was going to be the time consuming part, but I?ve spent more time trying to take off the hose assembly that goes around the centerboard line into the cabin. I?ve searched the forums, but I?m probably looking for the wrong part. I?m not sure what this is called, but I need to replace the line to the centerboard, and this is in the way. The hose looks double layered, and it?s very stiff. I recently bought this boat and removed 10 gallons of water from the bilge. It seems as if water has been leaking in here among a dozen other places. Can anyone provide me with ideas for taking the hose off? Thanks
>
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Fri Nov  8 20:37:54 2019
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 01:37:54 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] =?utf-8?q?Unsure_how_to_remove_=E2=80=9Chose?=
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Given the relative sizes of the line (FYI, it?s called the centerboard pennant) and the hose, I would not attempt to change out the hose with the pennant inside.  Change out the empty hose, thread the pennant thru the hose, and finally attach the pennant to the centerboard.

A good hardware store has a huge selection of hoses.  I changed out my centerboard pennant hose several years ago and I recall having several choices at my local Ace Hardware.  It took longer to drive to the hardware store and back than the job itself required.

Roger Pihlaja 
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 8, 2019, at 7:17 PM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I attached a photo to the email, but I guess the server stripped it off. Here is a link to what I sent:
> 
> https://1drv.ms/u/s!ApL2Pe-LKYIig0cINC3Nisn4lETt?e=9jRb5h
> 
> As I said, there are two layers of tubes, and these are *very* stiff. I've raised the tube as high as it can go, so when I raise it further, the fiberglass cabin threshold raises up. I'm concerned about breaking fiberglass past this point. Goodness, I'll grab some of the cheap hose and give that a shot - I'll simply cut the old tube off with a knife.
> 
> ** I do have one question - there is a clamp at the top of the tube, and it is surrounded by fiberglass. There is no way of getting a screwdriver or nut driver in there apart from cutting out more fiberglass as far as I can tell. Is there any other option?
> 
> It's rained a lot this week. I drained 10 gallons out of the boat last week, and I'd say there is at least another gallon in it. I have 4 tubes of the 3M 4200 sealant - maybe I can get some of this resolved over the weekend.
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2019 9:05 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Unsure how to remove ?hose? for centerboard line
> 
> Mine is a section of water hose between two through-hulls. The line runs through it and also the cockpit seat water drains into the centerboard trunk.  The problem when i got my boat was someone had cut the hose too short and it was leaking into the cabin.  (32 + points of water ingress.)
> Water hoses are all the wrong size for the through hulls.  I found a best fit from dollar general cheap 1/2? hose. I heated it with a heat gun and managed to slip it all together with butyl rubber sealant on the barbs.
> The trick is getting the line through the hose while bending it enough to get it on the through hull barbs.  A heat gun is needed to soften the hose but keep the line moving inside so it doesnt melt.
> 
> Bob (palatka)
> 
>> On Nov 3, 2019, at 9:23 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> ?A picture would help as your arrangements might be a non-standard setup. The tube for my line is held in place with a hose clamp and is removed easily.
>> 
>> Graham Stewart
>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
>> Kingston Ontario
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Allyn Baskerville
>> Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2019 3:24 PM
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unsure how to remove ?hose? for centerboard line
>> 
>> I thought taking off the 52 or so screws was going to be the time consuming part, but I?ve spent more time trying to take off the hose assembly that goes around the centerboard line into the cabin. I?ve searched the forums, but I?m probably looking for the wrong part. I?m not sure what this is called, but I need to replace the line to the centerboard, and this is in the way. The hose looks double layered, and it?s very stiff. I recently bought this boat and removed 10 gallons of water from the bilge. It seems as if water has been leaking in here among a dozen other places. Can anyone provide me with ideas for taking the hose off? Thanks
>> 
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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Fri Nov  8 21:49:40 2019
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 19:49:40 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement of winch for motor lift
Message-ID: <1573267780222-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

My boat had the Chicago Electric Remote Control 12 Volt 3000 LB winch, model
#95912.  There was no wired switch and the remote had seen better days. 
Towards the end of the season, the winch would occasionally keep running for
a bit, even I had let off the up or down button. 

Rather than working on this winch and trying to wire in a switch, I decided
to replace it with a Rugcel 3500lb waterproof IP68 that has a wired switch
as well as a couple of remotes.  It is 1.2HP.  It got the version that had
the nylon rope since I figured that would be easier to remove than the
version that came with a metal cable.  I got the winch on Amazon for $130. 
You can also buy them at rugcel.com, but that is the version with the metal
cable, which is a bit cheaper.
https://www.rugcel.com/products/rugcel-winch-3500lb 

Removing the old winch was straight forward, but it?s a two person job since
you need someone to hold a screw driver on the outside of the boat and
someone to use a socket or wrench on the nuts from inside the lazarette. 
Fun fact: it turns out that a 5?9? tall person can (barely) sit cross legged
inside the lazarette with the lid raised.

My new winch didn?t have a mount for the solenoid to strap on to the winch,
but I cut off the curved feet from the solenoid-to-winch mount from the old
winch and glued them onto the new winch and solenoid.  I also used a couple
of hose clamps to keep the solenoid attached.

The seatbelt that is used to raise and lower the motor is attached to the
winch with 5 small screws.  The old winch had some sort of plastic or
composite core.  The new winch has a metal core.  I drilled pilot holes,
tried some self tapping screws but ended up going back with small sheet
metal screws.  One of the screws got stuck before going all the way in and I
had to cut that off and drill a new hole nearby.  I used some Gorilla glue
to secure the seat belt along with the screws.

I was worried about having to patch the old mounting plate holes in the hull
and drill holes for the new mounting plate, but fortunately the new winch
could attach to the old mounting plate so I didn?t have to drill any new
holes.  There was a bit of corrosion on the mounting plate so I sanded it
and applied a coat of Rustoleum primer and then paint.  I also replaced the
bolts attaching the mounting plate to winch with stainless since the old
bolts had some corrosion.  I applied some silicone around the bolts that
went through the hull and also put some on the back of the mounting plate.

I mounted the switch on the the ridge that separates the lazaratte from the
cockpit, as close to the center of the cockpit as possible so I could reach
it.  The switch is supposed to be waterproof, but this placement keeps it
out of the weather, away from getting hit accidentally and avoided drilling
anywhere that is visible.  I can still easily reach underneath to operate
the switch.  The wiring is fairly self-explanatory based on the colors. 
There is a red wire from the switch that needs to go directly to the post
that connects to the battery, but it wasn?t long enough so I had to run an
extension for that.

Both the wired switch and remotes work well.  Some photos of before, in
progress, and after version of the project are attached.  Perhaps this can
helpful to anyone else considering a similar project.

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/WR001.jpg> 
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<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/WRstern.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/Rugcel.jpg> 




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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Fri Nov  8 21:52:11 2019
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 19:52:11 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement of winch for motor lift
In-Reply-To: <1573267780222-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1573267780222-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1573267931386-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Missed one photo of the switch up close.  I was using some left over washers,
so I'll probably go back and replace those with some that are appropriately
sized.

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/WR013.jpg> 



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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Fri Nov  8 21:51:49 2019
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 21:51:49 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list]
 =?utf-8?q?Rhodes_didn=E2=80=99t_come_with_an_anch?= =?utf-8?q?or?=
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Allyn,

Ah, the anchor rode.  A simple question for which I don?t have a simple answer.

My first solution was to keep using the 2.5 gallon bucket from the Home Depot paint department.  When it came time to anchor, I would carry the bucket up to the bow, attach the rode to the anchor, and then drop the anchor.  To save a few seconds, and to avoid having to carry tools to the bow, I?d generally use a locking carabiner to make the connection.  The carabiner was likely a weak link in the system.

I?m developing a new approach in which the rode is stored in the stern of the boat, but remains connected to the anchor more or less permanently.  The anchor would be both deployed and retrieved from the cockpit, even though the anchor itself would never be further aft than the bow roller.  Rode storage would be in bags suspended under the combings in the aft outboard corners of the lazarette.  This last feature remains to be implemented, and I won?t be attempting that until spring.  I describe aspects of the system in the following video starting at about 2:10 ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2ebeJZUslk <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2ebeJZUslk>

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)


> On Nov 8, 2019, at 6:48 PM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the info. I'll look around for something similar, but I have a little time to work through this. The photos I've seen where the anchor hangs from the bow pulpit looks nice. Where do you store the rode? 

From jcbblackb at gmail.com  Sat Nov  9 07:31:49 2019
From: jcbblackb at gmail.com (John Blackburn)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 07:31:49 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Painting
In-Reply-To: <1573229922900-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1573069003061-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <CAJ+SjbQcYxGeQSeUdjnh2z_g93fzP+6LLMwTw_Vskb9RFH7o5A@mail.gmail.com>

Graham,
It was based on a photo taken with a waterproof camera while anchored and
taking a swim.
He is another painting from him-
[image: r22.jpg]


On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 11:06 AM gramille <gramille at tds.net> wrote:

> Beautiful painting of a beautiful boat!
> Did he work from a photo? I imagine a photo taken from a dinghy or kayak?
> Cheers
> Graham - sv "00Sailin"
>
>
>
> --
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sat Nov  9 08:47:02 2019
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 13:47:02 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] S/V Silverheels Bow Sprit/Anchor Roller
In-Reply-To: <868480FB-FFA2-40F6-AEA4-ABE28B810ADA@sunnybeeches.com>
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Hi Peter,

I watched your video tutorial on the Bow Sprit/Anchor Roller.  Interesting concept.  I have 2 comments:


  1.  Are you going to leave the clear epoxy finish on the bow sprit?  The reason I ask is because epoxy has poor UV resistance.  It would be better to protect the epoxy with a coat of paint or at least marine spar varnish.
  2.  The bow sprit seems to have been left with a ?dead space? under it.  You have threaded your roller furling control line thru this space.  (Interesting Fairlead!)  But, are you concerned the roller furling control line will eventually chafe thru the epoxy coating?  Also, won?t this dead space under the bow sprit collect dirt & crud and be very difficult to keep clean?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Sat Nov  9 10:13:02 2019
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 10:13:02 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Older Rhodes 22 in NY
Message-ID: <CAB-twMNrWTu3pVaVntWDBSm5HdX3eH0Wd4uxBjmoPOX0BcB=+Q@mail.gmail.com>

There is an older Rhodes 22 for practically free in New York. Looks to be
in decent shape, or would have spare parts.

https://newyork.craigslist.org/wch/boa/d/mamaroneck-sailboat-rhodes-22ft-in/7016654539.html

Or contact the owner Micheal directly at GearyDesign at gmail.com


tavares0947 at gmail.com

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sat Nov  9 15:40:57 2019
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 15:40:57 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] S/V Silverheels Bow Sprit/Anchor Roller
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR02MB4643901BD04D1A523BE6EE02807A0@BL0PR02MB4643.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <5AC4FCB1-95A9-42E2-AE05-944F23601BE3@adsne.com>
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Roger,

Thanks for the input:

1. I?m aware that most epoxies don?t stand up well to UV exposure.  Since I wasn?t sure how the bow sprit and anchor roller were going to work out, I decided not to worry about long term appearance initially.  Now that I?m past the ?proof of concept? stage, I?ll need to come up with a plan for maintenance.  I do like the look of the wood grain, so it?s likely a varnish will be part of the solution.

2.  It didn?t occur to me to worry about the furling line chafing through the epoxy.  In general, the routing of the furling line is an area where I failed to plan adequately.  Routing the line under the sprit as I showed in the video, resulted in the line being bunched up toward the bottom of the furler spool which would sometime result in the jib not unfurling completely.  I moved the line above the sprit, which worked better, but is still not completely trouble-free.  This is an area that I?ll need to look at again in the spring.

While I didn?t notice any buildup of dirt under the bow sprit, that?s probably mostly due to the fact that I didn?t look.  There?s no question that the sprit blocks easy access to some areas of the deck.  How much this matters probably depends mostly on your personal cleanliness standards. 

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On Nov 9, 2019, at 8:47 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> I watched your video tutorial on the Bow Sprit/Anchor Roller.  Interesting concept.  I have 2 comments:
> 
> 
>  1.  Are you going to leave the clear epoxy finish on the bow sprit?  The reason I ask is because epoxy has poor UV resistance.  It would be better to protect the epoxy with a coat of paint or at least marine spar varnish.
>  2.  The bow sprit seems to have been left with a ?dead space? under it.  You have threaded your roller furling control line thru this space.  (Interesting Fairlead!)  But, are you concerned the roller furling control line will eventually chafe thru the epoxy coating?  Also, won?t this dead space under the bow sprit collect dirt & crud and be very difficult to keep clean?
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10


From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sat Nov  9 17:34:07 2019
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 22:34:07 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] S/V Silverheels Bow Sprit/Anchor Roller
In-Reply-To: <84E82214-BCD1-4FE1-AB3E-A9B4F193E4CE@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <5AC4FCB1-95A9-42E2-AE05-944F23601BE3@adsne.com>
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Peter,

After I watched your video, I went on-line and looked at what?s available off the shelf for anchor rollers.  For a couple hundred $, you can get a 23-1/2? long electropolished 304 SS anchor roller.  The installation specs say this anchor roller can protrude unsupported past the bow up to 33% of the total length, or up to 7.83?.  That seems like plenty of clearance for the size anchors we use on our Rhodes 22?s.  Of course, you would have to shim under it to raise it up over the toe rail.  However, a piece of UV stabilized ultra high molecular weight polyethylene (UHMWPE) is easily found in the correct shim thickness.  UHMWPE is really easy to work with and basically indestructible.  You could use the same thru bolts that hold down the anchor roller and you wouldn?t have to touch the bow pulpit stanchion thru bolts..  I?m envisioning rather than a bow sprit, you would just have the anchor roller and UHMWPE shim that would have the same foredeck footprint as the anchor roller.  This concept wouldn?t interfere with the roller furling control line and wouldn?t have any hard to clean dead spaces.  Also, zero maintenance!

Or, do you just like the look of a bow sprit, which is also perfectly OK.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium



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________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2019 3:40:57 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] S/V Silverheels Bow Sprit/Anchor Roller

Roger,

Thanks for the input:

1. I?m aware that most epoxies don?t stand up well to UV exposure.  Since I wasn?t sure how the bow sprit and anchor roller were going to work out, I decided not to worry about long term appearance initially.  Now that I?m past the ?proof of concept? stage, I?ll need to come up with a plan for maintenance.  I do like the look of the wood grain, so it?s likely a varnish will be part of the solution.

2.  It didn?t occur to me to worry about the furling line chafing through the epoxy.  In general, the routing of the furling line is an area where I failed to plan adequately.  Routing the line under the sprit as I showed in the video, resulted in the line being bunched up toward the bottom of the furler spool which would sometime result in the jib not unfurling completely.  I moved the line above the sprit, which worked better, but is still not completely trouble-free.  This is an area that I?ll need to look at again in the spring.

While I didn?t notice any buildup of dirt under the bow sprit, that?s probably mostly due to the fact that I didn?t look.  There?s no question that the sprit blocks easy access to some areas of the deck.  How much this matters probably depends mostly on your personal cleanliness standards.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On Nov 9, 2019, at 8:47 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Peter,
>
> I watched your video tutorial on the Bow Sprit/Anchor Roller.  Interesting concept.  I have 2 comments:
>
>
>  1.  Are you going to leave the clear epoxy finish on the bow sprit?  The reason I ask is because epoxy has poor UV resistance.  It would be better to protect the epoxy with a coat of paint or at least marine spar varnish.
>  2.  The bow sprit seems to have been left with a ?dead space? under it.  You have threaded your roller furling control line thru this space.  (Interesting Fairlead!)  But, are you concerned the roller furling control line will eventually chafe thru the epoxy coating?  Also, won?t this dead space under the bow sprit collect dirt & crud and be very difficult to keep clean?
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10


From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat Nov  9 17:45:08 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 16:45:08 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Painting
In-Reply-To: <CAJ+SjbQcYxGeQSeUdjnh2z_g93fzP+6LLMwTw_Vskb9RFH7o5A@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CADNTwiWgYfr8M4wE1k+arMuFgC8UX-rL9cOoPNcGON2mvP7Z9g@mail.gmail.com>

Does he do commissions?  I am sure there are a few of us out there that
would like a special moment to be captured.
Chris Geankoplis
ENOSIS I


On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 6:32 AM John Blackburn <jcbblackb at gmail.com> wrote:

> Graham,
> It was based on a photo taken with a waterproof camera while anchored and
> taking a swim.
> He is another painting from him-
> [image: r22.jpg]
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 11:06 AM gramille <gramille at tds.net> wrote:
>
> > Beautiful painting of a beautiful boat!
> > Did he work from a photo? I imagine a photo taken from a dinghy or kayak?
> > Cheers
> > Graham - sv "00Sailin"
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Sat Nov  9 20:50:27 2019
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 18:50:27 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] boom hitting back stays
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Since this post generated some interest (thanks for all the input), here is
an update:

During the sailing season, I drilled a new hole a little over halfway
between the lower and upper mast setting, which you can see with the green
arrow in the first attached photo.  This eliminated the clearance issues
with the backstay.  
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/20190918_193949_LI.jpg> 

At this setting the pop top had to be down and I added a boom vang which you
can see on the next photo.
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/20190817_184227.jpg> 

Now that my boat is off the water for the winter, I went ahead and shortened
my boom by 3.25".  Without the cap, that leaves 119.75" for the extrusion
and with the cap, it comes out to 120-1/8".  This does not count the
gooseneck hardware.  Before I cut the boom, I had 6.5" of excess outhaul
clearance (shown below) so now I'll be down to about half of that.  I didn't
want to go too far and regret it.  In the photos below you can see it after
shortening, along with the piece that I cut off.
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/ShortenedBoom.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/20191109_130826.jpg> 


My boom is still a bit longer than what was reported by others, but I should
be able to leave it on the higher setting now without interfering with the
backstays.  

In case anyone else finds themselves in this situation, here's the steps I
took:
- drilled out the rivets that hold the cap on
- pried / tapped out the end cap
- unscrewed the remaining hardware
- removed the outhaul rope and slide out the outhaul car and hardware
- used a miter saw with a metal cutting blade to cut off the excess length
- mark the spot for a 3/4" hole for the outhaul rope to go through the boom
- use a drill press, starting with a small bit and drilling progressively
larger holes to get to 3/4"
- inserted the end cap and used the drill press to dril new holes for rivets
(I didn't try to match the old holes)
- rivet on the end cap
- drill new holes for the hardware on top and bottom of the hole for the
outhaul, then screw this hardware in
- put the outhaul and car back on

Fortunately I was able to borrow a chop saw with a metal cutting blade as
well as a drill press and bits so that made this job a lot better than if I
was trying to use a hack saw and hand drill.

I'm looking forward to sailing with the pop top up and the bimini overhead
next season.



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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Sat Nov  9 21:07:42 2019
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 19:07:42 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] masthead light - steaming vs. all around
Message-ID: <1573351662108-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

I was under the impression that my masthead light was a steaming light (just
light on the front) and that is all I recall seeing when I looked up from my
boat.  However, the rear light is recessed compare to the front light so
maybe I would need to be further back from the boat to see it. 

I've read past posts covering the debate between steaming vs. all around
anchor light.  It's my understanding that it is acceptable to use an all
around anchor light at the top and can even use that while under power at
night along with the running lights for a boat of this size.  I was hoping
to have an all around anchor light on top of the mast since I plan to do
some overnight anchoring next year.

Now that I have my mast down for the season, I took a closer look and was
surprised to find what appears to be LEDs lights on both the front and the
back.  So, maybe I have an all around light after all.  

>From reading prior posts, it sounds like others found that the mast head
light that comes standard on R22s is a steaming light.

I have a few questions that others may be able to shed light (pun intended)
on based on the photos:
- Is this the standard mast head light for R22s?  If so, do you know the
make and model?
- Have others found this working as an all around anchor light instead of a
steaming light?
- Where can replacement LEDs be purchased?
- Do the LEDs just pop right out for replacement?  I didn't try yet since I
didn't want to break anything.

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/SideView.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/Side2.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/FrontLED.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/RearLED.jpg> 


Thanks,
Jesse
S/V Zephyr




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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sat Nov  9 21:09:50 2019
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 21:09:50 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] boom hitting back stays
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Jesse,

Thanks for letting us know how you resolved your problem.  Often we?re left not really knowing how things turned out.

I still find it very strange that your boat somehow acquired a longer than standard issue boom.  

?Peter

> On Nov 9, 2019, at 8:50 PM, Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Since this post generated some interest (thanks for all the input), here is
> an update:
> 
> During the sailing season, I drilled a new hole a little over halfway
> between the lower and upper mast setting, which you can see with the green
> arrow in the first attached photo.  This eliminated the clearance issues
> with the backstay.  
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/20190918_193949_LI.jpg> 
> 
> At this setting the pop top had to be down and I added a boom vang which you
> can see on the next photo.
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/20190817_184227.jpg> 
> 
> Now that my boat is off the water for the winter, I went ahead and shortened
> my boom by 3.25".  Without the cap, that leaves 119.75" for the extrusion
> and with the cap, it comes out to 120-1/8".  This does not count the
> gooseneck hardware.  Before I cut the boom, I had 6.5" of excess outhaul
> clearance (shown below) so now I'll be down to about half of that.  I didn't
> want to go too far and regret it.  In the photos below you can see it after
> shortening, along with the piece that I cut off.
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/ShortenedBoom.jpg> 
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/20191109_130826.jpg> 
> 
> 
> My boom is still a bit longer than what was reported by others, but I should
> be able to leave it on the higher setting now without interfering with the
> backstays.  
> 
> In case anyone else finds themselves in this situation, here's the steps I
> took:
> - drilled out the rivets that hold the cap on
> - pried / tapped out the end cap
> - unscrewed the remaining hardware
> - removed the outhaul rope and slide out the outhaul car and hardware
> - used a miter saw with a metal cutting blade to cut off the excess length
> - mark the spot for a 3/4" hole for the outhaul rope to go through the boom
> - use a drill press, starting with a small bit and drilling progressively
> larger holes to get to 3/4"
> - inserted the end cap and used the drill press to dril new holes for rivets
> (I didn't try to match the old holes)
> - rivet on the end cap
> - drill new holes for the hardware on top and bottom of the hole for the
> outhaul, then screw this hardware in
> - put the outhaul and car back on
> 
> Fortunately I was able to borrow a chop saw with a metal cutting blade as
> well as a drill press and bits so that made this job a lot better than if I
> was trying to use a hack saw and hand drill.
> 
> I'm looking forward to sailing with the pop top up and the bimini overhead
> next season.
> 
> 
> 
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From retiredtoby at gmail.com  Sun Nov 10 10:18:20 2019
From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 10:18:20 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] masthead light - steaming vs. all around
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Jesse, I have found "Marine Beam" to be a good source for LED bulbs. But
now I think even Amazon has bulbs.
In the Old Day the LED's were very polarized, I think the newer bulbs may
not have this trait.
Cary
S/V Whisper

On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 8:55 PM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> I was under the impression that my masthead light was a steaming light
> (just
> light on the front) and that is all I recall seeing when I looked up from
> my
> boat.  However, the rear light is recessed compare to the front light so
> maybe I would need to be further back from the boat to see it.
>
> I've read past posts covering the debate between steaming vs. all around
> anchor light.  It's my understanding that it is acceptable to use an all
> around anchor light at the top and can even use that while under power at
> night along with the running lights for a boat of this size.  I was hoping
> to have an all around anchor light on top of the mast since I plan to do
> some overnight anchoring next year.
>
> Now that I have my mast down for the season, I took a closer look and was
> surprised to find what appears to be LEDs lights on both the front and the
> back.  So, maybe I have an all around light after all.
>
> From reading prior posts, it sounds like others found that the mast head
> light that comes standard on R22s is a steaming light.
>
> I have a few questions that others may be able to shed light (pun intended)
> on based on the photos:
> - Is this the standard mast head light for R22s?  If so, do you know the
> make and model?
> - Have others found this working as an all around anchor light instead of a
> steaming light?
> - Where can replacement LEDs be purchased?
> - Do the LEDs just pop right out for replacement?  I didn't try yet since I
> didn't want to break anything.
>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/SideView.jpg>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/Side2.jpg>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/FrontLED.jpg>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/RearLED.jpg>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Jesse
> S/V Zephyr
>
>
>
>
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>

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 10 11:45:54 2019
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 11:45:54 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] =?utf-8?q?Unsure_how_to_remove_=E2=80=9Chose?=
	=?utf-8?q?=E2=80=9D_for_centerboard_line?=
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If you are going to replace the hose and the pennant anyway...since you're
removing the trunk cover, I'd just cut the hose and pennant right above the
barb..about where the clamp is in the picture. Then if you can't slide that
section off that is still on the barb, you have the cover in hand and can
take it to the workbench. That sealant seen oozing down from the hose maybe
5200??

If it doesn't come off, try splitting it lengthwise with a dremmel cut off
wheel by cutting almost all the way through...being careful not to cut into
the barb itself, then knock the pieces off with a small hammer and
screwdriver or blunt chisel.

tavares0947 at gmail.com

On Fri, Nov 8, 2019, 8:37 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Given the relative sizes of the line (FYI, it?s called the centerboard
> pennant) and the hose, I would not attempt to change out the hose with the
> pennant inside.  Change out the empty hose, thread the pennant thru the
> hose, and finally attach the pennant to the centerboard.
>
> A good hardware store has a huge selection of hoses.  I changed out my
> centerboard pennant hose several years ago and I recall having several
> choices at my local Ace Hardware.  It took longer to drive to the hardware
> store and back than the job itself required.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 8, 2019, at 7:17 PM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?I attached a photo to the email, but I guess the server stripped it
> off. Here is a link to what I sent:
> >
> > https://1drv.ms/u/s!ApL2Pe-LKYIig0cINC3Nisn4lETt?e=9jRb5h
> >
> > As I said, there are two layers of tubes, and these are *very* stiff.
> I've raised the tube as high as it can go, so when I raise it further, the
> fiberglass cabin threshold raises up. I'm concerned about breaking
> fiberglass past this point. Goodness, I'll grab some of the cheap hose and
> give that a shot - I'll simply cut the old tube off with a knife.
> >
> > ** I do have one question - there is a clamp at the top of the tube, and
> it is surrounded by fiberglass. There is no way of getting a screwdriver or
> nut driver in there apart from cutting out more fiberglass as far as I can
> tell. Is there any other option?
> >
> > It's rained a lot this week. I drained 10 gallons out of the boat last
> week, and I'd say there is at least another gallon in it. I have 4 tubes of
> the 3M 4200 sealant - maybe I can get some of this resolved over the
> weekend.
> > ________________________________
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2019 9:05 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Unsure how to remove ?hose? for centerboard
> line
> >
> > Mine is a section of water hose between two through-hulls. The line runs
> through it and also the cockpit seat water drains into the centerboard
> trunk.  The problem when i got my boat was someone had cut the hose too
> short and it was leaking into the cabin.  (32 + points of water ingress.)
> > Water hoses are all the wrong size for the through hulls.  I found a
> best fit from dollar general cheap 1/2? hose. I heated it with a heat gun
> and managed to slip it all together with butyl rubber sealant on the barbs.
> > The trick is getting the line through the hose while bending it enough
> to get it on the through hull barbs.  A heat gun is needed to soften the
> hose but keep the line moving inside so it doesnt melt.
> >
> > Bob (palatka)
> >
> >> On Nov 3, 2019, at 9:23 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?A picture would help as your arrangements might be a non-standard
> setup. The tube for my line is held in place with a hose clamp and is
> removed easily.
> >>
> >> Graham Stewart
> >> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> >> Kingston Ontario
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf Of Allyn Baskerville
> >> Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2019 3:24 PM
> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unsure how to remove ?hose? for centerboard
> line
> >>
> >> I thought taking off the 52 or so screws was going to be the time
> consuming part, but I?ve spent more time trying to take off the hose
> assembly that goes around the centerboard line into the cabin. I?ve
> searched the forums, but I?m probably looking for the wrong part. I?m not
> sure what this is called, but I need to replace the line to the
> centerboard, and this is in the way. The hose looks double layered, and
> it?s very stiff. I recently bought this boat and removed 10 gallons of
> water from the bilge. It seems as if water has been leaking in here among a
> dozen other places. Can anyone provide me with ideas for taking the hose
> off? Thanks
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Mon Nov 11 10:19:57 2019
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 15:19:57 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement of winch for motor lift
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Jesse,
Thanks for posting this.  Nice job.  My winch had failed and I was looking to replace it myself, but changed my mind and just let GB do the work for me.  Now that they are done I need to retrieve my boat. - rob


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Jesse Shumaker
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 9:50 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement of winch for motor lift

My boat had the Chicago Electric Remote Control 12 Volt 3000 LB winch, model #95912.  There was no wired switch and the remote had seen better days. 
Towards the end of the season, the winch would occasionally keep running for a bit, even I had let off the up or down button. 

Rather than working on this winch and trying to wire in a switch, I decided to replace it with a Rugcel 3500lb waterproof IP68 that has a wired switch as well as a couple of remotes.  It is 1.2HP.  It got the version that had the nylon rope since I figured that would be easier to remove than the version that came with a metal cable.  I got the winch on Amazon for $130. 
You can also buy them at rugcel.com, but that is the version with the metal cable, which is a bit cheaper.
https://www.rugcel.com/products/rugcel-winch-3500lb 

Removing the old winch was straight forward, but it?s a two person job since you need someone to hold a screw driver on the outside of the boat and someone to use a socket or wrench on the nuts from inside the lazarette. 
Fun fact: it turns out that a 5?9? tall person can (barely) sit cross legged inside the lazarette with the lid raised.

My new winch didn?t have a mount for the solenoid to strap on to the winch, but I cut off the curved feet from the solenoid-to-winch mount from the old winch and glued them onto the new winch and solenoid.  I also used a couple of hose clamps to keep the solenoid attached.

The seatbelt that is used to raise and lower the motor is attached to the winch with 5 small screws.  The old winch had some sort of plastic or composite core.  The new winch has a metal core.  I drilled pilot holes, tried some self tapping screws but ended up going back with small sheet metal screws.  One of the screws got stuck before going all the way in and I had to cut that off and drill a new hole nearby.  I used some Gorilla glue to secure the seat belt along with the screws.

I was worried about having to patch the old mounting plate holes in the hull and drill holes for the new mounting plate, but fortunately the new winch could attach to the old mounting plate so I didn?t have to drill any new holes.  There was a bit of corrosion on the mounting plate so I sanded it and applied a coat of Rustoleum primer and then paint.  I also replaced the bolts attaching the mounting plate to winch with stainless since the old bolts had some corrosion.  I applied some silicone around the bolts that went through the hull and also put some on the back of the mounting plate.

I mounted the switch on the the ridge that separates the lazaratte from the cockpit, as close to the center of the cockpit as possible so I could reach it.  The switch is supposed to be waterproof, but this placement keeps it out of the weather, away from getting hit accidentally and avoided drilling anywhere that is visible.  I can still easily reach underneath to operate the switch.  The wiring is fairly self-explanatory based on the colors. 
There is a red wire from the switch that needs to go directly to the post that connects to the battery, but it wasn?t long enough so I had to run an extension for that.

Both the wired switch and remotes work well.  Some photos of before, in progress, and after version of the project are attached.  Perhaps this can helpful to anyone else considering a similar project.

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From challey52 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 11 11:19:47 2019
From: challey52 at gmail.com (Charlie S)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 11:19:47 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailering and storage of the R22
Message-ID: <CADNJ_DnQO-xXQ9rfJ1GRQrjz8NLEP++CZvLyUGd5qFXBQUpDmg@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings all from a soon to be Rhodes 22 owner.

My "new" R22 is a used boat, but one who's owner keep her in great shape.
She also comes with a Triad single axle trailer, which is great since I
will need to move her about 100 miles when we complete the sale. I'm a
novice sailor but essentially a total greenhorn regarding towing and boat
storage Here's my questions:


   - Do I need a weight distribution hitch or is my simple ball hitch good
   enough? The tow vehicle is an XC90 with a nominal towing capacity of 4.960
   lbs.
   - What do I need in the way of tie-downs (capacity, length, number)?
   Where do they get placed?
   - For winter storage, do I leave the sails furled on their stay/mast or
   should I remove them? Assuming the sails should be unfurled for the winter,
   I think I can figure out the jib sail, but the main sail seems like it will
   be more of a challenge. Are there any instructions that you can point me to
   for this?
   - I will have the marina winterize the engine and I'll pull the
   batteries and store them in my basement on a trickle charger. Other than
   ensuring the tarp is placed properly and tied down well, what else needs to
   be done to store the boat?

Regards,

Charlie S

From jerry.keybl at gmail.com  Mon Nov 11 13:13:59 2019
From: jerry.keybl at gmail.com (jerry.keybl)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 11:13:59 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailering and storage of the R22
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Welcome to the list!

I'm a relatively new owner as well, but can confirm that an XC90 is
sufficient.  I drove pulled the boat on a single axel trailer a few times,
including a 600 mile trip from NC to MA.

Enjoy the boat!
Jerry



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From snstaum at gmail.com  Mon Nov 11 13:20:42 2019
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 13:20:42 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailering and storage of the R22
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Welcome to 'da list Charlie.
1.  I always towed with a regular hitch and your 5,000 lb capacity is
adequate.
2.  I have never tied down the boat when towing although I know that some
do. I tow 25 miles each way since 2003.
3.  I always leave the sails furled on the forestay or in the mast unless
using as a pattern for a new sail.
4.  I leave the batteries in place and disconnect the direct wired solar
panel.
5.  As I moor in salt water I winterize my 2 stroke outboard by running for
10 minutes with fresh water then disconnect the fuel line and let it idle
until the carb is empty and the engine stalls.  I do not treat the fuel as
the only time I had trouble with last season's fuel was the year I treated
it with Stabil.
6.  A tarp is a good idea as the lazerette tends to fill with water on land
as the boat sits differently than in the water.

Good sailing...

*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Carol Lee 2*

*Needham, MA*

*(781) 704-1037*


On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 11:19 AM Charlie S <challey52 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Greetings all from a soon to be Rhodes 22 owner.
>
> My "new" R22 is a used boat, but one who's owner keep her in great shape.
> She also comes with a Triad single axle trailer, which is great since I
> will need to move her about 100 miles when we complete the sale. I'm a
> novice sailor but essentially a total greenhorn regarding towing and boat
> storage Here's my questions:
>
>
>    - Do I need a weight distribution hitch or is my simple ball hitch good
>    enough? The tow vehicle is an XC90 with a nominal towing capacity of
> 4.960
>    lbs.
>    - What do I need in the way of tie-downs (capacity, length, number)?
>    Where do they get placed?
>    - For winter storage, do I leave the sails furled on their stay/mast or
>    should I remove them? Assuming the sails should be unfurled for the
> winter,
>    I think I can figure out the jib sail, but the main sail seems like it
> will
>    be more of a challenge. Are there any instructions that you can point
> me to
>    for this?
>    - I will have the marina winterize the engine and I'll pull the
>    batteries and store them in my basement on a trickle charger. Other than
>    ensuring the tarp is placed properly and tied down well, what else
> needs to
>    be done to store the boat?
>
> Regards,
>
> Charlie S
>

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Mon Nov 11 15:02:43 2019
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 15:02:43 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailering and storage of the R22
In-Reply-To: <CADNJ_DnQO-xXQ9rfJ1GRQrjz8NLEP++CZvLyUGd5qFXBQUpDmg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNJ_DnQO-xXQ9rfJ1GRQrjz8NLEP++CZvLyUGd5qFXBQUpDmg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E013B97A-C576-4D51-A072-D2DBB7472ED4@sunnybeeches.com>

Charlie,

On the subject of tie-downs:

I do use them.  They?re not expensive (especially relative to anything else you might buy for a sailboat).  They make me feel better.  With a bit of practice they only take a few minutes to put on, and less time to remove.  They may be required by law (I?m just speculating, I don?t really know). 

My dual axle Triad trailer (new in 2016) has 4 attachment points for tie downs.  I use a pair of 2? wide cargo straps with built in hooks at the ends and a ratchet mechanism.  You can find them on the Home Depot web site.  They have 14? and 27? models.  I?m pretty sure the 14? would be too short.  My straps are 18? long.  I think they were originally longer, and I shortened them.

One strap goes across the bow, and one across the cockpit.  In my case the back strap goes just aft of the winches.  Some sort of chafing protection near the rub-rails would be a good idea.

On winter storage:

I leave my sails furled.  I leave my batteries on the boat, though I do disconnect everything from the positive terminals.

Welcome to the list.  Where are you planning to sail?

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On Nov 11, 2019, at 11:19 AM, Charlie S <challey52 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Greetings all from a soon to be Rhodes 22 owner.
> 
> My "new" R22 is a used boat, but one who's owner keep her in great shape.
> She also comes with a Triad single axle trailer, which is great since I
> will need to move her about 100 miles when we complete the sale. I'm a
> novice sailor but essentially a total greenhorn regarding towing and boat
> storage Here's my questions:
> 
> 
>   - Do I need a weight distribution hitch or is my simple ball hitch good
>   enough? The tow vehicle is an XC90 with a nominal towing capacity of 4.960
>   lbs.
>   - What do I need in the way of tie-downs (capacity, length, number)?
>   Where do they get placed?
>   - For winter storage, do I leave the sails furled on their stay/mast or
>   should I remove them? Assuming the sails should be unfurled for the winter,
>   I think I can figure out the jib sail, but the main sail seems like it will
>   be more of a challenge. Are there any instructions that you can point me to
>   for this?
>   - I will have the marina winterize the engine and I'll pull the
>   batteries and store them in my basement on a trickle charger. Other than
>   ensuring the tarp is placed properly and tied down well, what else needs to
>   be done to store the boat?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Charlie S


From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Tue Nov 12 20:41:04 2019
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 18:41:04 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement of winch for motor lift
In-Reply-To: <MN2PR05MB694192355882DC22F0477B05C1740@MN2PR05MB6941.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1573267780222-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <MN2PR05MB694192355882DC22F0477B05C1740@MN2PR05MB6941.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1573609264385-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Good to hear that you were able to get that replaced at the factory.  The
only option out here in the midwest was the DIY approach.  I actually bought
another one of the same winch as a backup in case I need to replace it in
the future since I know how to install it now and it works with the current
mounting plate (though there may be a standard bolt pattern for attaching
winches to the mounting plate).



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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Tue Nov 12 20:50:59 2019
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 18:50:59 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] masthead light - steaming vs. all around
In-Reply-To: <CAPQvPRqLyu4d2snru=K38vY3eyGpNzGpHopRCaoZszD1DCuf-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1573351662108-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CAPQvPRqLyu4d2snru=K38vY3eyGpNzGpHopRCaoZszD1DCuf-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1573609859095-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Cary, thanks for the sourcing tips.  I'm going to try and remove the rear LED
and measure it.  It appears there are some affordable replacement bulbs on
Amazon as you mentioned.  I'll probably buy one of the same size and try
that out, though I may not have results to report until the spring when I
raise the mast.



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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Tue Nov 12 21:17:56 2019
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 21:17:56 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] masthead light - steaming vs. all around
In-Reply-To: <1573351662108-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1573351662108-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <C8D12974-4F6F-4523-B09A-97AA9E347846@sunnybeeches.com>

Jesse,

I can?t help with the LED replacement question, but?

When I picked up my recycled boat at General Boats in 2016, it had a steaming light a few feet down from the top of the mast.  My plans for the boat involved a lot of overnight anchoring, and not much in the way of night sailing or motoring.  I put a 360 degree anchor light on the top of the mast and moved the wires to power it rather than the steaming light.  On the rare occasions when I do motor at night, I?ll leave the anchor light on.  I don?t think this is quite legit, since the light pattern from the stern is not right, but I don?t lose any sleep over it.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On Nov 9, 2019, at 9:07 PM, Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I was under the impression that my masthead light was a steaming light (just
> light on the front) and that is all I recall seeing when I looked up from my
> boat.  However, the rear light is recessed compare to the front light so
> maybe I would need to be further back from the boat to see it. 
> 
> I've read past posts covering the debate between steaming vs. all around
> anchor light.  It's my understanding that it is acceptable to use an all
> around anchor light at the top and can even use that while under power at
> night along with the running lights for a boat of this size.  I was hoping
> to have an all around anchor light on top of the mast since I plan to do
> some overnight anchoring next year.
> 
> Now that I have my mast down for the season, I took a closer look and was
> surprised to find what appears to be LEDs lights on both the front and the
> back.  So, maybe I have an all around light after all.  
> 
> From reading prior posts, it sounds like others found that the mast head
> light that comes standard on R22s is a steaming light.
> 
> I have a few questions that others may be able to shed light (pun intended)
> on based on the photos:
> - Is this the standard mast head light for R22s?  If so, do you know the
> make and model?
> - Have others found this working as an all around anchor light instead of a
> steaming light?
> - Where can replacement LEDs be purchased?
> - Do the LEDs just pop right out for replacement?  I didn't try yet since I
> didn't want to break anything.
> 
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/SideView.jpg> 
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/Side2.jpg> 
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/FrontLED.jpg> 
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/RearLED.jpg> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Jesse
> S/V Zephyr
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
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From cjlowe at sssnet.com  Wed Nov 13 00:52:30 2019
From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 00:52:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] masthead light - steaming vs. all around
In-Reply-To: <C8D12974-4F6F-4523-B09A-97AA9E347846@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <1573351662108-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <C8D12974-4F6F-4523-B09A-97AA9E347846@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <49789.107.1.240.214.1573624350.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>

Jesse,
If finances permit, I would replace that whole unit with an all around led
anchor light. It looks like the lenses are starting to fog from UV
exposure. I would guess that your light is a converted incandescent light
with led bulbs. The metal contacts that deliver the volts to the bulbs are
the weak point in that set up. If you trailer sail it's no big deal to
change the bulb or clean the contacts, but if you don't drop the mast all
season, it cuts into sailing time. I would also recommend a steaming/deck
light combo for the front of the mast. Its great if you have to anchor or
set up the pop top enclosure after dark.
Has anybody had an anchor light failure (with an led bulb) from dirty
contacts?
If any of this interests you I can show you how to control two lights with
two wires.

Jerry Lowe S/V Country Rhodes '86




Jesse,
>
> I can???t help with the LED replacement question, but???
>
> When I picked up my recycled boat at General Boats in 2016, it had a
> steaming light a few feet down from the top of the mast.  My plans for the
> boat involved a lot of overnight anchoring, and not much in the way of
> night sailing or motoring.  I put a 360 degree anchor light on the top of
> the mast and moved the wires to power it rather than the steaming light.
> On the rare occasions when I do motor at night, I???ll leave the anchor
> light on.  I don???t think this is quite legit, since the light pattern
> from the stern is not right, but I don???t lose any sleep over it.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
>> On Nov 9, 2019, at 9:07 PM, Jesse Shumaker
>> <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I was under the impression that my masthead light was a steaming light
>> (just
>> light on the front) and that is all I recall seeing when I looked up
>> from my
>> boat.  However, the rear light is recessed compare to the front light so
>> maybe I would need to be further back from the boat to see it.
>>
>> I've read past posts covering the debate between steaming vs. all around
>> anchor light.  It's my understanding that it is acceptable to use an all
>> around anchor light at the top and can even use that while under power
>> at
>> night along with the running lights for a boat of this size.  I was
>> hoping
>> to have an all around anchor light on top of the mast since I plan to do
>> some overnight anchoring next year.
>>
>> Now that I have my mast down for the season, I took a closer look and
>> was
>> surprised to find what appears to be LEDs lights on both the front and
>> the
>> back.  So, maybe I have an all around light after all.
>>
>> From reading prior posts, it sounds like others found that the mast head
>> light that comes standard on R22s is a steaming light.
>>
>> I have a few questions that others may be able to shed light (pun
>> intended)
>> on based on the photos:
>> - Is this the standard mast head light for R22s?  If so, do you know the
>> make and model?
>> - Have others found this working as an all around anchor light instead
>> of a
>> steaming light?
>> - Where can replacement LEDs be purchased?
>> - Do the LEDs just pop right out for replacement?  I didn't try yet
>> since I
>> didn't want to break anything.
>>
>> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/SideView.jpg>
>> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/Side2.jpg>
>> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/FrontLED.jpg>
>> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/RearLED.jpg>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jesse
>> S/V Zephyr
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>
>



From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Wed Nov 13 16:35:03 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 15:35:03 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pt. 4 Rhodes in the Med
Message-ID: <CADNTwiVZzKpX5h_kSUUiK_7XtUVpLww2_9V5es1VnEep+bUzLw@mail.gmail.com>

So here is a short segment from the mainland of Italy (Vibo
Valentia.....just above the "toe", to several of the Lipari Islands
(Aeolian Islands).  Though not a great distance (100 nm) it was
very interesting sailing and exploring.  Oh, and the weather was way more
nice than what most of us are experiencing at the moment.  There is a short
intro with a link to all previous postings for "A Rhodes in the Med"
Covering the last two summers sailing from Spain, France, and Italy in the
Rhodes.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eB5rOYpuZeK8aibG9IVrUs8CPy9Q5Dre/view


Chris Geankoplis
S?\/V Enosis

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Wed Nov 13 20:47:04 2019
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 18:47:04 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pt. 4 Rhodes in the Med
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiVZzKpX5h_kSUUiK_7XtUVpLww2_9V5es1VnEep+bUzLw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiVZzKpX5h_kSUUiK_7XtUVpLww2_9V5es1VnEep+bUzLw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1573696024409-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Thanks Chris!  I just downloaded this to my tablet along with all the other
stories you sent recently, so I can read them while traveling over the
holidays.



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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Wed Nov 13 21:07:25 2019
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 19:07:25 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] masthead light - steaming vs. all around
In-Reply-To: <49789.107.1.240.214.1573624350.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>
References: <1573351662108-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <C8D12974-4F6F-4523-B09A-97AA9E347846@sunnybeeches.com>
 <49789.107.1.240.214.1573624350.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>
Message-ID: <1573697245038-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Jerry and Peter, thanks for the additional insight.

I was considering replacing my existing light with a steaming/anchor light
combo, and a deck light would also be nice.  I thought that any new light
would require running another wire to the switch panel and adding a new
switch.   It appears that wiring may run through the headboard of the cabin,
but I'm not really sure.  It seemed to be a bit daunting to get access to
run new wiring, but maybe my hesitance is unwarranted.  Peter, did any of
your existing youtube videos happen to cover this topic?  I didn't see it at
first glance.

Jerry, I would definitely like to learn more about the wiring details for a
combo light.  Thanks in advance for any input on this.

In terms of replacement lights (rather than bulbs), are there
recommendations for specific models?



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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Wed Nov 13 21:09:36 2019
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 19:09:36 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Installing a Windex
In-Reply-To: <f86d44a8-c962-a950-9912-20d72ad48eca@atlanticbb.net>
References: <1572748685451-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1572810604176-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1572810806662-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <f86d44a8-c962-a950-9912-20d72ad48eca@atlanticbb.net>
Message-ID: <1573697376311-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Thanks to all regarding the advice regarding trailering and the windex.  I'm
going to add removal of the windex to my mast lowering checklist and
installation of the windex to my mast raising checklist.



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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Wed Nov 13 21:49:09 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 20:49:09 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pt. 4 Rhodes in the Med
In-Reply-To: <1573696024409-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <CADNTwiVZzKpX5h_kSUUiK_7XtUVpLww2_9V5es1VnEep+bUzLw@mail.gmail.com>
 <1573696024409-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiUtWFOLeTafPfyP1GYOPDd71W7adJG=99zQrMnDHkZmHg@mail.gmail.com>

Heck if your read them all you should be able to circumnavigate the globe!
(smile).  Hope you enjoy them.

Chris G
Enosis

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 7:34 PM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Chris!  I just downloaded this to my tablet along with all the other
> stories you sent recently, so I can read them while traveling over the
> holidays.
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Thu Nov 14 10:35:00 2019
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 10:35:00 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] masthead light - steaming vs. all around
In-Reply-To: <1573697245038-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1573351662108-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <C8D12974-4F6F-4523-B09A-97AA9E347846@sunnybeeches.com>
 <49789.107.1.240.214.1573624350.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>
 <1573697245038-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <691C4136-07BB-4CFC-B248-04A853A9ACF0@sunnybeeches.com>

Jesse,

On my boat the wire for getting power up the mast runs from the switch panel above the galley counter, down behind the ice box to the space beneath the galley, then forward to the head, then under the head floor to the compression post area, then up a chase alongside the compression post, then is exposed for a few inches before running up into cabin ceiling, and finally to the deck connection fitting near the mast tabernacle.

I haven?t made a YouTube video about how to take the inside of the Rhodes 22 apart.  For the most part, it?s just a matter of removing screws.  If you?ve got a marine head, that will complicate things somewhat I would imagine (but don?t really know).  You can get an idea of what things look like after they?ve been deconstructed, in the videos ?Installing a C-Head Toilet? and in the Spring 2017 project videos.

Jerry?s solution would be much less invasive.  I think it would require mounting a special kind of switch somewhere in that circuit.  I?d like to hear more details about it as well.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On Nov 13, 2019, at 9:07 PM, Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Jerry and Peter, thanks for the additional insight.
> 
> I was considering replacing my existing light with a steaming/anchor light
> combo, and a deck light would also be nice.  I thought that any new light
> would require running another wire to the switch panel and adding a new
> switch.   It appears that wiring may run through the headboard of the cabin,
> but I'm not really sure.  It seemed to be a bit daunting to get access to
> run new wiring, but maybe my hesitance is unwarranted.  Peter, did any of
> your existing youtube videos happen to cover this topic?  I didn't see it at
> first glance.
> 
> Jerry, I would definitely like to learn more about the wiring details for a
> combo light.  Thanks in advance for any input on this.
> 
> In terms of replacement lights (rather than bulbs), are there
> recommendations for specific models?
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/


From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Thu Nov 14 15:56:31 2019
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 15:56:31 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Who Can Join The List?
Message-ID: <4A7DBB04-C100-4E5D-B3CB-3E9440E9C9BF@sunnybeeches.com>

Recently, someone considering the purchase of a Rhodes 22 joined the list, posted a question, and got several responses.  This morning I got a private email from this person asking a follow up question.  But they also mentioned that they had been "scolded for using the forum since I haven't completed the sale and don't have a GB CoS?.  They then removed themselves from the list.

I feel certain that the viewpoint that the list is only for people who currently own a Rhodes 22 and have purchased a Certificate of Support from General Boats is held by few members of the list, and perhaps only by one.  But, since I became aware that this has happened (hopefully only once), I wanted to point out to anyone unaware that this list has a charter (http://www.rhodes22.org/list/index.html <http://www.rhodes22.org/list/index.html>), and that among other thing the charter states that "This list is open to everyone with an interest in Rhodes Sailboats?.

If anyone thinks the charter should be changed, they can say so, and we can have a discussion.  In the meantime, whoever it is who is telling people that they are not welcome on the list should knock it off.


I invited the person in question back to the list, but the purchase fell through so at the moment they?re not interested.  I assured them that they are welcome to return at any time.  I am intentionally not stating any specifics at their request.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Thu Nov 14 16:17:21 2019
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (mweisner at ebsmed.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 16:17:21 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Who Can Join The List?
In-Reply-To: <4A7DBB04-C100-4E5D-B3CB-3E9440E9C9BF@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <4A7DBB04-C100-4E5D-B3CB-3E9440E9C9BF@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <005f01d59b30$e7c6f950$b754ebf0$@ebsmed.com>

Peter,

Indeed, I can confirm that the individual subscribed to da list early in October and processed a removal request two days ago.

As the list admin (and the guy who pays for the hosting service) I am dismayed by what is alleged to have happened.

You are correct that the list is open to all by charter.  No individual has the right to exclude a list member from these communications, certainly not based on owner or COS status.

If you would be so kind as to forward the email that you received to rhodes22-list-admin at rhodes22.org.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 3:57 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Who Can Join The List?

Recently, someone considering the purchase of a Rhodes 22 joined the list, posted a question, and got several responses.  This morning I got a private email from this person asking a follow up question.  But they also mentioned that they had been "scolded for using the forum since I haven't completed the sale and don't have a GB CoS?.  They then removed themselves from the list.

I feel certain that the viewpoint that the list is only for people who currently own a Rhodes 22 and have purchased a Certificate of Support from General Boats is held by few members of the list, and perhaps only by one.  But, since I became aware that this has happened (hopefully only once), I wanted to point out to anyone unaware that this list has a charter (http://www.rhodes22.org/list/index.html <http://www.rhodes22.org/list/index.html>), and that among other thing the charter states that "This list is open to everyone with an interest in Rhodes Sailboats?.

If anyone thinks the charter should be changed, they can say so, and we can have a discussion.  In the meantime, whoever it is who is telling people that they are not welcome on the list should knock it off.


I invited the person in question back to the list, but the purchase fell through so at the moment they?re not interested.  I assured them that they are welcome to return at any time.  I am intentionally not stating any specifics at their request.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)=


From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Thu Nov 14 16:24:15 2019
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (mweisner at ebsmed.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 16:24:15 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] masthead light - steaming vs. all around
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For those who are considering how to increase function of the mast mounted lighting, I have used a DPDT polarity reversing switch and LEDs (or lamps with series connected diodes) to power two lighting effects over a single pair of wires. If one used the mast as an additional conductor, two lighting effects could be achieved with simple SPST switches.  Just think how many independently operated lights could be powered if one used the mast and a polarity reversing scheme.  Please note that these systems generally provide only one lamp powered at a time.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 10:35 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] masthead light - steaming vs. all around

Jesse,

On my boat the wire for getting power up the mast runs from the switch panel above the galley counter, down behind the ice box to the space beneath the galley, then forward to the head, then under the head floor to the compression post area, then up a chase alongside the compression post, then is exposed for a few inches before running up into cabin ceiling, and finally to the deck connection fitting near the mast tabernacle.

I haven?t made a YouTube video about how to take the inside of the Rhodes 22 apart.  For the most part, it?s just a matter of removing screws.  If you?ve got a marine head, that will complicate things somewhat I would imagine (but don?t really know).  You can get an idea of what things look like after they?ve been deconstructed, in the videos ?Installing a C-Head Toilet? and in the Spring 2017 project videos.

Jerry?s solution would be much less invasive.  I think it would require mounting a special kind of switch somewhere in that circuit.  I?d like to hear more details about it as well.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)


From stan at generalboats.com  Thu Nov 14 17:07:26 2019
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 17:07:26 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Who Can Join The List?
In-Reply-To: <005f01d59b30$e7c6f950$b754ebf0$@ebsmed.com>
References: <4A7DBB04-C100-4E5D-B3CB-3E9440E9C9BF@sunnybeeches.com>
 <005f01d59b30$e7c6f950$b754ebf0$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <6229309a-f4da-4637-6a36-6e1f6cb02978@generalboats.com>


Thanks Mike for using the word "alleged".? This thread is complete BS.? 
I send prospects and owners to the List.? It save me a lot of time.? 
Moreover, irrespective of the technicalities, I feel like a proud 
parent; the daddy, whose sperm brought this bright baby to life.? Just 
think, you guys and girls would have been scattered amongst many other 
Lists, never to have met.

This picking on the old man with what sounds like a tweet from the Trump 
administration, probably makes this a good time to mention that the C of 
S program no longer exists.? It has been replaced by "the Rhodes Owners 
Cooperative", so there will be a new kid in town to bully- or profit from.

stan

On 11/14/19 4:17 PM, mweisner at ebsmed.com wrote:
> Peter,
>
> Indeed, I can confirm that the individual subscribed to da list early in October and processed a removal request two days ago.
>
> As the list admin (and the guy who pays for the hosting service) I am dismayed by what is alleged to have happened.
>
> You are correct that the list is open to all by charter.  No individual has the right to exclude a list member from these communications, certainly not based on owner or COS status.
>
> If you would be so kind as to forward the email that you received to rhodes22-list-admin at rhodes22.org.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 3:57 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Who Can Join The List?
>
> Recently, someone considering the purchase of a Rhodes 22 joined the list, posted a question, and got several responses.  This morning I got a private email from this person asking a follow up question.  But they also mentioned that they had been "scolded for using the forum since I haven't completed the sale and don't have a GB CoS?.  They then removed themselves from the list.
>
> I feel certain that the viewpoint that the list is only for people who currently own a Rhodes 22 and have purchased a Certificate of Support from General Boats is held by few members of the list, and perhaps only by one.  But, since I became aware that this has happened (hopefully only once), I wanted to point out to anyone unaware that this list has a charter (http://www.rhodes22.org/list/index.html <http://www.rhodes22.org/list/index.html>), and that among other thing the charter states that "This list is open to everyone with an interest in Rhodes Sailboats?.
>
> If anyone thinks the charter should be changed, they can say so, and we can have a discussion.  In the meantime, whoever it is who is telling people that they are not welcome on the list should knock it off.
>
>
> I invited the person in question back to the list, but the purchase fell through so at the moment they?re not interested.  I assured them that they are welcome to return at any time.  I am intentionally not stating any specifics at their request.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)=
>
>
>


From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Thu Nov 14 17:29:00 2019
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 17:29:00 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Who Can Join The List?
In-Reply-To: <6229309a-f4da-4637-6a36-6e1f6cb02978@generalboats.com>
References: <4A7DBB04-C100-4E5D-B3CB-3E9440E9C9BF@sunnybeeches.com>
 <005f01d59b30$e7c6f950$b754ebf0$@ebsmed.com>
 <6229309a-f4da-4637-6a36-6e1f6cb02978@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <EE4E6241-4C54-410D-B6A5-E825920A7F88@sunnybeeches.com>

Stan,

I have no idea who the person attempting to push people off the list is.  I never thought it was you, and I don?t think I suggested in any way that it was.  As you point out, you have no incentive to do so.  Further, it seems unlikely that you would try to use this as a way to pressure someone to pay for a CoS (or now ROC?) when they don?t yet even own a Rhodes 22.

We will probably never know who did this (or why), but as long as it stops, I don?t think it really matters.

I assume we?ll be hearing more about the ?Rhodes Owners Cooperative?.  

?Peter


> On Nov 14, 2019, at 5:07 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks Mike for using the word "alleged".  This thread is complete BS.  I send prospects and owners to the List.  It save me a lot of time.  Moreover, irrespective of the technicalities, I feel like a proud parent; the daddy, whose sperm brought this bright baby to life.  Just think, you guys and girls would have been scattered amongst many other Lists, never to have met.
> 
> This picking on the old man with what sounds like a tweet from the Trump administration, probably makes this a good time to mention that the C of S program no longer exists.  It has been replaced by "the Rhodes Owners Cooperative", so there will be a new kid in town to bully- or profit from.
> 
> stan
> 


From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Thu Nov 14 17:32:06 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 16:32:06 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Who Can Join The List?
In-Reply-To: <EE4E6241-4C54-410D-B6A5-E825920A7F88@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <4A7DBB04-C100-4E5D-B3CB-3E9440E9C9BF@sunnybeeches.com>
 <005f01d59b30$e7c6f950$b754ebf0$@ebsmed.com>
 <6229309a-f4da-4637-6a36-6e1f6cb02978@generalboats.com>
 <EE4E6241-4C54-410D-B6A5-E825920A7F88@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiW_b4ABykRD9KHxBmKjasnP77OQGoKimq3Ns5WBj774Tg@mail.gmail.com>

ROC?  Wasn't that a big bird the devoured some of Sinbad's Sailors?

Chris G.
Enosis

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 4:29 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> Stan,
>
> I have no idea who the person attempting to push people off the list is.
> I never thought it was you, and I don?t think I suggested in any way that
> it was.  As you point out, you have no incentive to do so.  Further, it
> seems unlikely that you would try to use this as a way to pressure someone
> to pay for a CoS (or now ROC?) when they don?t yet even own a Rhodes 22.
>
> We will probably never know who did this (or why), but as long as it
> stops, I don?t think it really matters.
>
> I assume we?ll be hearing more about the ?Rhodes Owners Cooperative?.
>
> ?Peter
>
>
> > On Nov 14, 2019, at 5:07 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Thanks Mike for using the word "alleged".  This thread is complete BS.
> I send prospects and owners to the List.  It save me a lot of time.
> Moreover, irrespective of the technicalities, I feel like a proud parent;
> the daddy, whose sperm brought this bright baby to life.  Just think, you
> guys and girls would have been scattered amongst many other Lists, never to
> have met.
> >
> > This picking on the old man with what sounds like a tweet from the Trump
> administration, probably makes this a good time to mention that the C of S
> program no longer exists.  It has been replaced by "the Rhodes Owners
> Cooperative", so there will be a new kid in town to bully- or profit from.
> >
> > stan
> >
>
>

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Thu Nov 14 18:33:07 2019
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (mweisner at ebsmed.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 18:33:07 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Who Can Join The List?
In-Reply-To: <6229309a-f4da-4637-6a36-6e1f6cb02978@generalboats.com>
References: <4A7DBB04-C100-4E5D-B3CB-3E9440E9C9BF@sunnybeeches.com>
 <005f01d59b30$e7c6f950$b754ebf0$@ebsmed.com>
 <6229309a-f4da-4637-6a36-6e1f6cb02978@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <007201d59b43$df68a930$9e39fb90$@ebsmed.com>

Stan,

Before you get all hot and bothered, I am not sure who was referred to in Peter's email.  Since you have always sent prospects to da list so that WE could help you close, I didn't think that you were the source.  There are other more likely suspects IF THERE EVEN WAS SOMEONE!  When folks aren't able to purchase a Rhodes 22 (for whatever reason), sometimes, THEY will say the strangest things to provide a reason why they didn't follow through and to sooth their ego.

If it wasn't for Stan ... I'm not going there ... I never liked swing keels or water ballast, although the Precision 23 was interesting.

I would like you to rethink the CoS replacement name.  The Rhodes 22 isn't made in China (ROC).

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of stan
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 5:07 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Who Can Join The List?


Thanks Mike for using the word "alleged".  This thread is complete BS. I send prospects and owners to the List.  It save me a lot of time. Moreover, irrespective of the technicalities, I feel like a proud parent; the daddy, whose sperm brought this bright baby to life.  Just think, you guys and girls would have been scattered amongst many other Lists, never to have met.

This picking on the old man with what sounds like a tweet from the Trump administration, probably makes this a good time to mention that the C of S program no longer exists.  It has been replaced by "the Rhodes Owners Cooperative", so there will be a new kid in town to bully- or profit from.

stan

On 11/14/19 4:17 PM, mweisner at ebsmed.com wrote:
> Peter,
>
> Indeed, I can confirm that the individual subscribed to da list early in October and processed a removal request two days ago.
>
> As the list admin (and the guy who pays for the hosting service) I am dismayed by what is alleged to have happened.
>
> You are correct that the list is open to all by charter.  No individual has the right to exclude a list member from these communications, certainly not based on owner or COS status.
>
> If you would be so kind as to forward the email that you received to rhodes22-list-admin at rhodes22.org.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
> Peter Nyberg
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 3:57 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Who Can Join The List?
>
> Recently, someone considering the purchase of a Rhodes 22 joined the list, posted a question, and got several responses.  This morning I got a private email from this person asking a follow up question.  But they also mentioned that they had been "scolded for using the forum since I haven't completed the sale and don't have a GB CoS?.  They then removed themselves from the list.
>
> I feel certain that the viewpoint that the list is only for people who currently own a Rhodes 22 and have purchased a Certificate of Support from General Boats is held by few members of the list, and perhaps only by one.  But, since I became aware that this has happened (hopefully only once), I wanted to point out to anyone unaware that this list has a charter (http://www.rhodes22.org/list/index.html <http://www.rhodes22.org/list/index.html>), and that among other thing the charter states that "This list is open to everyone with an interest in Rhodes Sailboats?.
>
> If anyone thinks the charter should be changed, they can say so, and we can have a discussion.  In the meantime, whoever it is who is telling people that they are not welcome on the list should knock it off.
>
>
> I invited the person in question back to the list, but the purchase fell through so at the moment they?re not interested.  I assured them that they are welcome to return at any time.  I am intentionally not stating any specifics at their request.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)=
>
>
>


From cjlowe at sssnet.com  Thu Nov 14 22:02:16 2019
From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 22:02:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] masthead light - steaming vs. all around
In-Reply-To: <006001d59b31$de830950$9b891bf0$@ebsmed.com>
References: <1573351662108-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <C8D12974-4F6F-4523-B09A-97AA9E347846@sunnybeeches.com>
 <49789.107.1.240.214.1573624350.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>
 <1573697245038-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <691C4136-07BB-4CFC-B248-04A853A9ACF0@sunnybeeches.com>
 <006001d59b31$de830950$9b891bf0$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <56315.207.182.74.46.1573786936.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>


I wouldn't recommend using the mast as a conductor for several reasons.
1. It gives a lighting strike instant access to all of your electronic and
electrical systems.
2. You have to drill and tap a hole in the mast to screw the terminal to.
The screw and terminal will start to oxidize from the contact of
dissimilar metals. The marine environment will greatly accelerate this
process.
3. If boat manufacturers could safely save 25 to 50 feet of wire on every
boat they build, they most likely would.
The idea of using the mast and the DPDT switch is like standing in water,
grabbing the bare wire and yelling OK turn it on.
Ok,I'm done being downer Debby, every thing else Mike said was spot on. I
would like to emphasize that you can control two lights with two wires,
BUT, you can only turn one on at a time. If your lights are not polarity
sensitive the DPDT SWITCH deal is off. Some led lights aren't designed
with switching polarity in mind, and aren't robust enough electronically
to survive this duty. Make sure before you buy. "It should work ", is not
the answer your looking for.
I'm on vacation right now, and the Browns are winning (right now) so more
on this later.

Jerry Lowe




For those who are considering how to increase function of the mast mounted
> lighting, I have used a DPDT polarity reversing switch and LEDs (or lamps
> with series connected diodes) to power two lighting effects over a single
> pair of wires. If one used the mast as an additional conductor, two
> lighting effects could be achieved with simple SPST switches.  Just think
> how many independently operated lights could be powered if one used the
> mast and a polarity reversing scheme.  Please note that these systems
> generally provide only one lamp powered at a time.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Peter Nyberg
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 10:35 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] masthead light - steaming vs. all around
>
> Jesse,
>
> On my boat the wire for getting power up the mast runs from the switch
> panel above the galley counter, down behind the ice box to the space
> beneath the galley, then forward to the head, then under the head floor to
> the compression post area, then up a chase alongside the compression post,
> then is exposed for a few inches before running up into cabin ceiling, and
> finally to the deck connection fitting near the mast tabernacle.
>
> I haven???t made a YouTube video about how to take the inside of the
> Rhodes 22 apart.  For the most part, it???s just a matter of removing
> screws.  If you???ve got a marine head, that will complicate things
> somewhat I would imagine (but don???t really know).  You can get an idea
> of what things look like after they???ve been deconstructed, in the videos
> ???Installing a C-Head Toilet??? and in the Spring 2017 project videos.
>
> Jerry???s solution would be much less invasive.  I think it would require
> mounting a special kind of switch somewhere in that circuit.  I???d like
> to hear more details about it as well.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
>



From stan at generalboats.com  Thu Nov 14 23:34:01 2019
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 23:34:01 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Who Can Join The List?
In-Reply-To: <007201d59b43$df68a930$9e39fb90$@ebsmed.com>
References: <4A7DBB04-C100-4E5D-B3CB-3E9440E9C9BF@sunnybeeches.com>
 <005f01d59b30$e7c6f950$b754ebf0$@ebsmed.com>
 <6229309a-f4da-4637-6a36-6e1f6cb02978@generalboats.com>
 <007201d59b43$df68a930$9e39fb90$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <a6258f40-4fed-617c-e714-009acfc74594@generalboats.com>


We could spell Cooperative with a K.

ss

On 11/14/19 6:33 PM, mweisner at ebsmed.com wrote:
> Stan,
>
> Before you get all hot and bothered, I am not sure who was referred to in Peter's email.  Since you have always sent prospects to da list so that WE could help you close, I didn't think that you were the source.  There are other more likely suspects IF THERE EVEN WAS SOMEONE!  When folks aren't able to purchase a Rhodes 22 (for whatever reason), sometimes, THEY will say the strangest things to provide a reason why they didn't follow through and to sooth their ego.
>
> If it wasn't for Stan ... I'm not going there ... I never liked swing keels or water ballast, although the Precision 23 was interesting.
>
> I would like you to rethink the CoS replacement name.  The Rhodes 22 isn't made in China (ROC).
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>


From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 15 09:12:39 2019
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 09:12:39 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Who Can Join The List?
In-Reply-To: <4A7DBB04-C100-4E5D-B3CB-3E9440E9C9BF@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <4A7DBB04-C100-4E5D-B3CB-3E9440E9C9BF@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMP9GmEb-usx4=ZpCNgr-FCua53ypWx3bWTMHiYa1B2gsA@mail.gmail.com>

It probably took money out of Stan's (or Chris's or Art's) pocket.

I can understand that persons frustrations though. Many owners groups only
allow current owners to join and require the hull #  and it sucks for
potential buyers.
I'm looking for an Alberg 30, 37, or Pearson Triton for a retirement
project, but none of those groups allow non-owners or looky-loos. (rudder
kickers?)

Someone should reach out to that guy/gal.


tavares0947 at gmail.com

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019, 3:56 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> Recently, someone considering the purchase of a Rhodes 22 joined the list,
> posted a question, and got several responses.  This morning I got a private
> email from this person asking a follow up question.  But they also
> mentioned that they had been "scolded for using the forum since I haven't
> completed the sale and don't have a GB CoS?.  They then removed themselves
> from the list.
>
> I feel certain that the viewpoint that the list is only for people who
> currently own a Rhodes 22 and have purchased a Certificate of Support from
> General Boats is held by few members of the list, and perhaps only by one.
> But, since I became aware that this has happened (hopefully only once), I
> wanted to point out to anyone unaware that this list has a charter (
> http://www.rhodes22.org/list/index.html <
> http://www.rhodes22.org/list/index.html>), and that among other thing the
> charter states that "This list is open to everyone with an interest in
> Rhodes Sailboats?.
>
> If anyone thinks the charter should be changed, they can say so, and we
> can have a discussion.  In the meantime, whoever it is who is telling
> people that they are not welcome on the list should knock it off.
>
>
> I invited the person in question back to the list, but the purchase fell
> through so at the moment they?re not interested.  I assured them that they
> are welcome to return at any time.  I am intentionally not stating any
> specifics at their request.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 15 09:17:27 2019
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 09:17:27 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Who Can Join The List?
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMP9GmEb-usx4=ZpCNgr-FCua53ypWx3bWTMHiYa1B2gsA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A7DBB04-C100-4E5D-B3CB-3E9440E9C9BF@sunnybeeches.com>
 <CAB-twMP9GmEb-usx4=ZpCNgr-FCua53ypWx3bWTMHiYa1B2gsA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMM2upGzmPV+xpaj3s_kLygrzxONhTKjprCNxsD65vTTgw@mail.gmail.com>

Now I'm upset and it makes sense now....why Stan allowed me to hop the back
fence into the C of S program....lol.

tavares0947 at gmail.com

On Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 9:12 AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:

> It probably took money out of Stan's (or Chris's or Art's) pocket.
>
> I can understand that persons frustrations though. Many owners groups only
> allow current owners to join and require the hull #  and it sucks for
> potential buyers.
> I'm looking for an Alberg 30, 37, or Pearson Triton for a retirement
> project, but none of those groups allow non-owners or looky-loos. (rudder
> kickers?)
>
> Someone should reach out to that guy/gal.
>
>
> tavares0947 at gmail.com
>
> On Thu, Nov 14, 2019, 3:56 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>
>> Recently, someone considering the purchase of a Rhodes 22 joined the
>> list, posted a question, and got several responses.  This morning I got a
>> private email from this person asking a follow up question.  But they also
>> mentioned that they had been "scolded for using the forum since I haven't
>> completed the sale and don't have a GB CoS?.  They then removed themselves
>> from the list.
>>
>> I feel certain that the viewpoint that the list is only for people who
>> currently own a Rhodes 22 and have purchased a Certificate of Support from
>> General Boats is held by few members of the list, and perhaps only by one.
>> But, since I became aware that this has happened (hopefully only once), I
>> wanted to point out to anyone unaware that this list has a charter (
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/list/index.html <
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/list/index.html>), and that among other thing
>> the charter states that "This list is open to everyone with an interest in
>> Rhodes Sailboats?.
>>
>> If anyone thinks the charter should be changed, they can say so, and we
>> can have a discussion.  In the meantime, whoever it is who is telling
>> people that they are not welcome on the list should knock it off.
>>
>>
>> I invited the person in question back to the list, but the purchase fell
>> through so at the moment they?re not interested.  I assured them that they
>> are welcome to return at any time.  I am intentionally not stating any
>> specifics at their request.
>>
>> Peter Nyberg
>> Coventry, CT
>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
>

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 15 09:26:16 2019
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 09:26:16 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Who Can Join The List?
In-Reply-To: <4A7DBB04-C100-4E5D-B3CB-3E9440E9C9BF@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <4A7DBB04-C100-4E5D-B3CB-3E9440E9C9BF@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMP6Ar-c6hYKc=bBi3V9p8q5JfXQ3QMyNrhLRy3BS6FVEA@mail.gmail.com>

So can we start posting R 22s for sale ads on the list again then?


Todd T.

On Thu, Nov 14, 2019, 3:56 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> Recently, someone considering the purchase of a Rhodes 22 joined the list,
> posted a question, and got several responses.  This morning I got a private
> email from this person asking a follow up question.  But they also
> mentioned that they had been "scolded for using the forum since I haven't
> completed the sale and don't have a GB CoS?.  They then removed themselves
> from the list.
>
> I feel certain that the viewpoint that the list is only for people who
> currently own a Rhodes 22 and have purchased a Certificate of Support from
> General Boats is held by few members of the list, and perhaps only by one.
> But, since I became aware that this has happened (hopefully only once), I
> wanted to point out to anyone unaware that this list has a charter (
> http://www.rhodes22.org/list/index.html <
> http://www.rhodes22.org/list/index.html>), and that among other thing the
> charter states that "This list is open to everyone with an interest in
> Rhodes Sailboats?.
>
> If anyone thinks the charter should be changed, they can say so, and we
> can have a discussion.  In the meantime, whoever it is who is telling
> people that they are not welcome on the list should knock it off.
>
>
> I invited the person in question back to the list, but the purchase fell
> through so at the moment they?re not interested.  I assured them that they
> are welcome to return at any time.  I am intentionally not stating any
> specifics at their request.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Fri Nov 15 09:45:53 2019
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 09:45:53 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Who Can Join The List?
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMP6Ar-c6hYKc=bBi3V9p8q5JfXQ3QMyNrhLRy3BS6FVEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A7DBB04-C100-4E5D-B3CB-3E9440E9C9BF@sunnybeeches.com>
 <CAB-twMP6Ar-c6hYKc=bBi3V9p8q5JfXQ3QMyNrhLRy3BS6FVEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <60A5E5CE-6FAC-4977-BBE4-E122E4926085@sunnybeeches.com>

Did we stop? Someone posted a ?Rhodes 22 for sale? message as recently as Nov 4.  This has never been forbidden or even discouraged that I am aware of.

?Peter

> On Nov 15, 2019, at 9:26 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> So can we start posting R 22s for sale ads on the list again then?
> 
> 
> Todd T.


From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Fri Nov 15 10:16:40 2019
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 10:16:40 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Who Can Join The List?
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMP6Ar-c6hYKc=bBi3V9p8q5JfXQ3QMyNrhLRy3BS6FVEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A7DBB04-C100-4E5D-B3CB-3E9440E9C9BF@sunnybeeches.com>
 <CAB-twMP6Ar-c6hYKc=bBi3V9p8q5JfXQ3QMyNrhLRy3BS6FVEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <015a01d59bc7$af6bea60$0e43bf20$@ebsmed.com>

As far as I know, posting a for sale listing was never prohibited.  Even Stan can post boats for sale.

 

For convenience, I have reproduced the list charter here:

 

The Rhodes 22 Owner's Group Mailing List Charter

 

Welcome to the Rhodes 22 Owner's Group Mailing List. This list is open to everyone with an interest in Rhodes Sailboats. It is an automated email distribution list where messages addressed to the list are copied to every list member's mailbox. Traffic varies from one to 40 messages a day.

 

The list is maintained by rhodes22.org as a courtesy to Rhodes Sailboats Fans worldwide. It is hoped that the list will promote discussion about Rhodes Sailboats and provide members with a means of sharing their interests and experiences.

 

CHARTER: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org

 

The rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org group will be open to discussion of all subjects specifically referring to Rhodes sailboats or, Rhodes sailors. The focus of this group includes, but is not limited to:

* Encouraging the understanding and discussion of Rhodes sailboats or Rhodes sailors, in the many ways people wish to define them.

* Acting as a source of information for Rhodes sailboats or Rhodes sailors worldwide and for people planning to buy/sell/repair/learn about Rhodes sailboats or Rhodes sailors.

* Providing a forum for the development and promotion Rhodes sailboats or Rhodes sailors' culture, history, traditions and economy.

* Any other subject that might be found at a sailor's bar or the clubhouse bar, including, Rhodes sailboats or Rhodes sailors' travels, events, family, jokes, quotations, pets, etc.

* The level of discussion does not have to be fit for a child, but some good taste is expected.

 

Binaries and Formatting:

Attaching images (tif, jpg, gif) to an email is acceptable. Our server will convert these to a web link

 

Case:

Please use mixed case when posting (Upper and lower case letters), typing words in uppercase means you are SHOUTING.

 

Quoting:

Place new material at the top of the post and quote what you are replying to below. That makes it simple to find out what is being said. You are encouraged to edit down the quoted material.

 

HTML mail:

A lot of the email programs (Netscape and Outlook among others) can send their email with embedded HTML. Embedded HTML can cause some of the list members to have trouble reading their mail due to "browser wars", not reading their mail with a web browser and double messages in digest mode. Members are encouraged to set their programs to send "plain text" email.

 

Subject Line:

Please set or change the subject line to reflect the true subject of the post. For example, "Subject: anchors" might be turned into "Subject: gas tank was anchors". If a joke (or any questionable material) is being posted please indicate it on the subject line. For example, "Subject: Monday's Humor (jokes)"

 

Netiquette:

Posts to the group are expected to be considerate of other readers. Personal abuse, flames, and obscenities are *not* appreciated; but we are sailors.......

 

Anonymous email:

It is expected that users will provide their name in the email and will sign same.  We like to know to whom we are talking.

 

Social Interaction/Manners:

To a certain extent, the interaction is about what you would expect in any informal social setting, for example, a bar.  It is recommended that you get to know people first and introduce yourself (about the same social rules that you would use to meet any new group of people). There is a high level of chitchat on the list, and what you might think is insulting to a group or region might only be people kidding each other after knowing each other for years.  As in any bar, the subjects of politics and religion can lead to heated augments and bar fights. These might be best avoided.

 

The need to participate:

It is recognized that a group is only whoever posts to it, no more and no less. We can only talk about what people post about. You earn respect on the list by your postings and trying to help each other, you cannot demand it. Most sailing topics we have talked about at one time or another already, we chit chat in the mean time, waiting to answer questions or for a new subject/story.  If you want to know something, please post it, the more detail the better. If someone is trying to help you please answer their reasonable questions. If you can help someone, again, post it. Try to repay the knowledge you may have gained.

 

Thank You,

 

The Members of the Rhodes 22 Owner's Group

 

Mike

s/v Wind Lass ('91)

Nissequogue River, NY

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Todd Tavares
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 9:26 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Who Can Join The List?

 

So can we start posting R 22s for sale ads on the list again then?

 

 

Todd T.

 


From stan at generalboats.com  Fri Nov 15 15:38:27 2019
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 15:38:27 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Who Can Join The List?
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMP9GmEb-usx4=ZpCNgr-FCua53ypWx3bWTMHiYa1B2gsA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A7DBB04-C100-4E5D-B3CB-3E9440E9C9BF@sunnybeeches.com>
 <CAB-twMP9GmEb-usx4=ZpCNgr-FCua53ypWx3bWTMHiYa1B2gsA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <36e0b46d-9a7c-b6c8-8ce3-181af76eda41@generalboats.com>

Todd, I love your posts.? You say what you think.? But I don't always 
get what you think.? Help:
/
//"Now I'm upset and it makes sense now...lol.//" /I think "lol" means 
lots of luck, but luck has not proven to be enough to get me to 
understand the rest of this sentence.? I did not know your were upset.? 
Upset about what?? And what makes "sense" now?? And what in the world 
are you talking about with /"why Stan allowed me to hop the back fence 
into the C of S program..../". Has semantics advanced that much in the 
past 75 years??? Can you rephrase this point so I understand the point 
you are making? Please.? You are blowing my mind trying to understand 
what you are talking about here. /

"It probably took money out of Stan's (or Chris's or Art's) pocket." / 
What is "it" and how would it be taking money out of my pocket.? Sounds 
like I should be trying to get it back.

"/I can understand that persons frustrations/" What person?? What 
frustration?? Do you have some info you can share with me.?? I am 
confused and if guilty of anything I would like to know about it and 
make it right.
/
//"Someone should reach out to that guy/gal." /Oops, I am getting it 
wrong.? I thought from what you said above that you knew who that person 
is and what his or her frustrations are or were.

When you get a chance, I would really like to see what you are seeing 
that I am missing in this thread.? The business is my hobby, my 
diversion and my meal ticket so I am more motivated than most on the 
List to understand it.? True I am down to only two mouths to feed but 
the cat eats like a pig.? It knocked on the window one night and now 
refuses to move on.? I give it organic food which he or she hates (we 
have not been hanging out long enough for our getting intimate so I 
don't know which it is yet).

Todd, it is obvious from my email that you are affecting my sanity side. 
The logical side is still functioning fairly well.? Please give me all 
this in an earlier form of communicating so I can understand what you 
are talking about.

thanks,
stan

From mjm at michaelmeltzer.com  Fri Nov 15 18:38:39 2019
From: mjm at michaelmeltzer.com (michael meltzer)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 17:38:39 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Who Can Join The List?
In-Reply-To: <015a01d59bc7$af6bea60$0e43bf20$@ebsmed.com>
References: <4A7DBB04-C100-4E5D-B3CB-3E9440E9C9BF@sunnybeeches.com>
 <CAB-twMP6Ar-c6hYKc=bBi3V9p8q5JfXQ3QMyNrhLRy3BS6FVEA@mail.gmail.com>
 <015a01d59bc7$af6bea60$0e43bf20$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <CAH-6moT57tOt4_9DywYW=ygT3E7NAqxVC3AqE9rHpBHyRoXqhQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dam, I did a good job on that :-)

On Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 9:16 AM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> As far as I know, posting a for sale listing was never prohibited.  Even
> Stan can post boats for sale.
>
>
>
> For convenience, I have reproduced the list charter here:
>
>
>
> The Rhodes 22 Owner's Group Mailing List Charter
>
>
>
> Welcome to the Rhodes 22 Owner's Group Mailing List. This list is open to
> everyone with an interest in Rhodes Sailboats. It is an automated email
> distribution list where messages addressed to the list are copied to every
> list member's mailbox. Traffic varies from one to 40 messages a day.
>
>
>
> The list is maintained by rhodes22.org as a courtesy to Rhodes Sailboats
> Fans worldwide. It is hoped that the list will promote discussion about
> Rhodes Sailboats and provide members with a means of sharing their
> interests and experiences.
>
>
>
> CHARTER: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>
>
>
> The rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org group will be open to discussion of all
> subjects specifically referring to Rhodes sailboats or, Rhodes sailors. The
> focus of this group includes, but is not limited to:
>
> * Encouraging the understanding and discussion of Rhodes sailboats or
> Rhodes sailors, in the many ways people wish to define them.
>
> * Acting as a source of information for Rhodes sailboats or Rhodes sailors
> worldwide and for people planning to buy/sell/repair/learn about Rhodes
> sailboats or Rhodes sailors.
>
> * Providing a forum for the development and promotion Rhodes sailboats or
> Rhodes sailors' culture, history, traditions and economy.
>
> * Any other subject that might be found at a sailor's bar or the clubhouse
> bar, including, Rhodes sailboats or Rhodes sailors' travels, events,
> family, jokes, quotations, pets, etc.
>
> * The level of discussion does not have to be fit for a child, but some
> good taste is expected.
>
>
>
> Binaries and Formatting:
>
> Attaching images (tif, jpg, gif) to an email is acceptable. Our server
> will convert these to a web link
>
>
>
> Case:
>
> Please use mixed case when posting (Upper and lower case letters), typing
> words in uppercase means you are SHOUTING.
>
>
>
> Quoting:
>
> Place new material at the top of the post and quote what you are replying
> to below. That makes it simple to find out what is being said. You are
> encouraged to edit down the quoted material.
>
>
>
> HTML mail:
>
> A lot of the email programs (Netscape and Outlook among others) can send
> their email with embedded HTML. Embedded HTML can cause some of the list
> members to have trouble reading their mail due to "browser wars", not
> reading their mail with a web browser and double messages in digest mode.
> Members are encouraged to set their programs to send "plain text" email.
>
>
>
> Subject Line:
>
> Please set or change the subject line to reflect the true subject of the
> post. For example, "Subject: anchors" might be turned into "Subject: gas
> tank was anchors". If a joke (or any questionable material) is being posted
> please indicate it on the subject line. For example, "Subject: Monday's
> Humor (jokes)"
>
>
>
> Netiquette:
>
> Posts to the group are expected to be considerate of other readers.
> Personal abuse, flames, and obscenities are *not* appreciated; but we are
> sailors.......
>
>
>
> Anonymous email:
>
> It is expected that users will provide their name in the email and will
> sign same.  We like to know to whom we are talking.
>
>
>
> Social Interaction/Manners:
>
> To a certain extent, the interaction is about what you would expect in any
> informal social setting, for example, a bar.  It is recommended that you
> get to know people first and introduce yourself (about the same social
> rules that you would use to meet any new group of people). There is a high
> level of chitchat on the list, and what you might think is insulting to a
> group or region might only be people kidding each other after knowing each
> other for years.  As in any bar, the subjects of politics and religion can
> lead to heated augments and bar fights. These might be best avoided.
>
>
>
> The need to participate:
>
> It is recognized that a group is only whoever posts to it, no more and no
> less. We can only talk about what people post about. You earn respect on
> the list by your postings and trying to help each other, you cannot demand
> it. Most sailing topics we have talked about at one time or another
> already, we chit chat in the mean time, waiting to answer questions or for
> a new subject/story.  If you want to know something, please post it, the
> more detail the better. If someone is trying to help you please answer
> their reasonable questions. If you can help someone, again, post it. Try to
> repay the knowledge you may have gained.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
>
>
> The Members of the Rhodes 22 Owner's Group
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Todd Tavares
> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 9:26 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Who Can Join The List?
>
>
>
> So can we start posting R 22s for sale ads on the list again then?
>
>
>
>
>
> Todd T.
>
>
>
>

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Fri Nov 15 18:53:18 2019
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (mweisner at ebsmed.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 18:53:18 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Who Can Join The List?
In-Reply-To: <CAH-6moT57tOt4_9DywYW=ygT3E7NAqxVC3AqE9rHpBHyRoXqhQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A7DBB04-C100-4E5D-B3CB-3E9440E9C9BF@sunnybeeches.com>
 <CAB-twMP6Ar-c6hYKc=bBi3V9p8q5JfXQ3QMyNrhLRy3BS6FVEA@mail.gmail.com>
 <015a01d59bc7$af6bea60$0e43bf20$@ebsmed.com>
 <CAH-6moT57tOt4_9DywYW=ygT3E7NAqxVC3AqE9rHpBHyRoXqhQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005501d59c0f$dbc57110$93505330$@ebsmed.com>

Yes, you certainly did!

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of michael meltzer
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 6:39 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Who Can Join The List?

Dam, I did a good job on that :-)

On Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 9:16 AM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> As far as I know, posting a for sale listing was never prohibited.  
> Even Stan can post boats for sale.
>
>
>
> For convenience, I have reproduced the list charter here:
>
>
>
> The Rhodes 22 Owner's Group Mailing List Charter
>
>
>
> Welcome to the Rhodes 22 Owner's Group Mailing List. This list is open 
> to everyone with an interest in Rhodes Sailboats. It is an automated 
> email distribution list where messages addressed to the list are 
> copied to every list member's mailbox. Traffic varies from one to 40 messages a day.
>
>
>
> The list is maintained by rhodes22.org as a courtesy to Rhodes 
> Sailboats Fans worldwide. It is hoped that the list will promote 
> discussion about Rhodes Sailboats and provide members with a means of 
> sharing their interests and experiences.
>
>
>
> CHARTER: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>
>
>
> The rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org group will be open to discussion of all 
> subjects specifically referring to Rhodes sailboats or, Rhodes 
> sailors. The focus of this group includes, but is not limited to:
>
> * Encouraging the understanding and discussion of Rhodes sailboats or 
> Rhodes sailors, in the many ways people wish to define them.
>
> * Acting as a source of information for Rhodes sailboats or Rhodes 
> sailors worldwide and for people planning to buy/sell/repair/learn 
> about Rhodes sailboats or Rhodes sailors.
>
> * Providing a forum for the development and promotion Rhodes sailboats 
> or Rhodes sailors' culture, history, traditions and economy.
>
> * Any other subject that might be found at a sailor's bar or the 
> clubhouse bar, including, Rhodes sailboats or Rhodes sailors' travels, 
> events, family, jokes, quotations, pets, etc.
>
> * The level of discussion does not have to be fit for a child, but 
> some good taste is expected.
>
>
>
> Binaries and Formatting:
>
> Attaching images (tif, jpg, gif) to an email is acceptable. Our server 
> will convert these to a web link
>
>
>
> Case:
>
> Please use mixed case when posting (Upper and lower case letters), 
> typing words in uppercase means you are SHOUTING.
>
>
>
> Quoting:
>
> Place new material at the top of the post and quote what you are 
> replying to below. That makes it simple to find out what is being 
> said. You are encouraged to edit down the quoted material.
>
>
>
> HTML mail:
>
> A lot of the email programs (Netscape and Outlook among others) can 
> send their email with embedded HTML. Embedded HTML can cause some of 
> the list members to have trouble reading their mail due to "browser 
> wars", not reading their mail with a web browser and double messages in digest mode.
> Members are encouraged to set their programs to send "plain text" email.
>
>
>
> Subject Line:
>
> Please set or change the subject line to reflect the true subject of 
> the post. For example, "Subject: anchors" might be turned into 
> "Subject: gas tank was anchors". If a joke (or any questionable 
> material) is being posted please indicate it on the subject line. For 
> example, "Subject: Monday's Humor (jokes)"
>
>
>
> Netiquette:
>
> Posts to the group are expected to be considerate of other readers.
> Personal abuse, flames, and obscenities are *not* appreciated; but we 
> are sailors.......
>
>
>
> Anonymous email:
>
> It is expected that users will provide their name in the email and 
> will sign same.  We like to know to whom we are talking.
>
>
>
> Social Interaction/Manners:
>
> To a certain extent, the interaction is about what you would expect in 
> any informal social setting, for example, a bar.  It is recommended 
> that you get to know people first and introduce yourself (about the 
> same social rules that you would use to meet any new group of people). 
> There is a high level of chitchat on the list, and what you might 
> think is insulting to a group or region might only be people kidding 
> each other after knowing each other for years.  As in any bar, the 
> subjects of politics and religion can lead to heated augments and bar fights. These might be best avoided.
>
>
>
> The need to participate:
>
> It is recognized that a group is only whoever posts to it, no more and 
> no less. We can only talk about what people post about. You earn 
> respect on the list by your postings and trying to help each other, 
> you cannot demand it. Most sailing topics we have talked about at one 
> time or another already, we chit chat in the mean time, waiting to 
> answer questions or for a new subject/story.  If you want to know 
> something, please post it, the more detail the better. If someone is 
> trying to help you please answer their reasonable questions. If you 
> can help someone, again, post it. Try to repay the knowledge you may have gained.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
>
>
> The Members of the Rhodes 22 Owner's Group
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
> Todd Tavares
> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 9:26 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Who Can Join The List?
>
>
>
> So can we start posting R 22s for sale ads on the list again then?
>
>
>
>
>
> Todd T.
>
>
>
>


From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Fri Nov 15 20:07:45 2019
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 20:07:45 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Who Can Join The List?
In-Reply-To: <CAH-6moT57tOt4_9DywYW=ygT3E7NAqxVC3AqE9rHpBHyRoXqhQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A7DBB04-C100-4E5D-B3CB-3E9440E9C9BF@sunnybeeches.com>
 <CAB-twMP6Ar-c6hYKc=bBi3V9p8q5JfXQ3QMyNrhLRy3BS6FVEA@mail.gmail.com>
 <015a01d59bc7$af6bea60$0e43bf20$@ebsmed.com>
 <CAH-6moT57tOt4_9DywYW=ygT3E7NAqxVC3AqE9rHpBHyRoXqhQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <543f18be-2e9c-a834-f731-923146e8ea6d@atlanticbb.net>

You did indeed! It's held up all these years.

Mary Lou

On 11/15/2019 6:38 PM, michael meltzer wrote:
> Dam, I did a good job on that :-)
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 9:16 AM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> wrote:
>
>> As far as I know, posting a for sale listing was never prohibited.  Even
>> Stan can post boats for sale.
>>
>>
>>
>> For convenience, I have reproduced the list charter here:
>>
>>
>>
>> The Rhodes 22 Owner's Group Mailing List Charter
>>
>>
>>
>> Welcome to the Rhodes 22 Owner's Group Mailing List. This list is open to
>> everyone with an interest in Rhodes Sailboats. It is an automated email
>> distribution list where messages addressed to the list are copied to every
>> list member's mailbox. Traffic varies from one to 40 messages a day.
>>
>>
>>
>> The list is maintained by rhodes22.org as a courtesy to Rhodes Sailboats
>> Fans worldwide. It is hoped that the list will promote discussion about
>> Rhodes Sailboats and provide members with a means of sharing their
>> interests and experiences.
>>
>>
>>
>> CHARTER: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>
>>
>>
>> The rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org group will be open to discussion of all
>> subjects specifically referring to Rhodes sailboats or, Rhodes sailors. The
>> focus of this group includes, but is not limited to:
>>
>> * Encouraging the understanding and discussion of Rhodes sailboats or
>> Rhodes sailors, in the many ways people wish to define them.
>>
>> * Acting as a source of information for Rhodes sailboats or Rhodes sailors
>> worldwide and for people planning to buy/sell/repair/learn about Rhodes
>> sailboats or Rhodes sailors.
>>
>> * Providing a forum for the development and promotion Rhodes sailboats or
>> Rhodes sailors' culture, history, traditions and economy.
>>
>> * Any other subject that might be found at a sailor's bar or the clubhouse
>> bar, including, Rhodes sailboats or Rhodes sailors' travels, events,
>> family, jokes, quotations, pets, etc.
>>
>> * The level of discussion does not have to be fit for a child, but some
>> good taste is expected.
>>
>>
>>
>> Binaries and Formatting:
>>
>> Attaching images (tif, jpg, gif) to an email is acceptable. Our server
>> will convert these to a web link
>>
>>
>>
>> Case:
>>
>> Please use mixed case when posting (Upper and lower case letters), typing
>> words in uppercase means you are SHOUTING.
>>
>>
>>
>> Quoting:
>>
>> Place new material at the top of the post and quote what you are replying
>> to below. That makes it simple to find out what is being said. You are
>> encouraged to edit down the quoted material.
>>
>>
>>
>> HTML mail:
>>
>> A lot of the email programs (Netscape and Outlook among others) can send
>> their email with embedded HTML. Embedded HTML can cause some of the list
>> members to have trouble reading their mail due to "browser wars", not
>> reading their mail with a web browser and double messages in digest mode.
>> Members are encouraged to set their programs to send "plain text" email.
>>
>>
>>
>> Subject Line:
>>
>> Please set or change the subject line to reflect the true subject of the
>> post. For example, "Subject: anchors" might be turned into "Subject: gas
>> tank was anchors". If a joke (or any questionable material) is being posted
>> please indicate it on the subject line. For example, "Subject: Monday's
>> Humor (jokes)"
>>
>>
>>
>> Netiquette:
>>
>> Posts to the group are expected to be considerate of other readers.
>> Personal abuse, flames, and obscenities are *not* appreciated; but we are
>> sailors.......
>>
>>
>>
>> Anonymous email:
>>
>> It is expected that users will provide their name in the email and will
>> sign same.  We like to know to whom we are talking.
>>
>>
>>
>> Social Interaction/Manners:
>>
>> To a certain extent, the interaction is about what you would expect in any
>> informal social setting, for example, a bar.  It is recommended that you
>> get to know people first and introduce yourself (about the same social
>> rules that you would use to meet any new group of people). There is a high
>> level of chitchat on the list, and what you might think is insulting to a
>> group or region might only be people kidding each other after knowing each
>> other for years.  As in any bar, the subjects of politics and religion can
>> lead to heated augments and bar fights. These might be best avoided.
>>
>>
>>
>> The need to participate:
>>
>> It is recognized that a group is only whoever posts to it, no more and no
>> less. We can only talk about what people post about. You earn respect on
>> the list by your postings and trying to help each other, you cannot demand
>> it. Most sailing topics we have talked about at one time or another
>> already, we chit chat in the mean time, waiting to answer questions or for
>> a new subject/story.  If you want to know something, please post it, the
>> more detail the better. If someone is trying to help you please answer
>> their reasonable questions. If you can help someone, again, post it. Try to
>> repay the knowledge you may have gained.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>>
>>
>> The Members of the Rhodes 22 Owner's Group
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>>
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> Todd Tavares
>> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 9:26 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Who Can Join The List?
>>
>>
>>
>> So can we start posting R 22s for sale ads on the list again then?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Todd T.
>>
>>
>>
>>


From shawn.sustain at gmail.com  Fri Nov 15 21:53:13 2019
From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 18:53:13 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Who Can Join The List?
In-Reply-To: <6229309a-f4da-4637-6a36-6e1f6cb02978@generalboats.com>
References: <4A7DBB04-C100-4E5D-B3CB-3E9440E9C9BF@sunnybeeches.com>
 <005f01d59b30$e7c6f950$b754ebf0$@ebsmed.com>
 <6229309a-f4da-4637-6a36-6e1f6cb02978@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <CAMzGxuNoBEhL5B7pjtFnc9nc4hex95gBzY9x3FeS=T4-wBhisQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi :

I'm intrigued by the new, (replacement? ) GB structure for CofS. To wit, "the
Rhodes Owners
Cooperative" . A description or link would be appreciated.

Cheers

Shawn

s/v Sweet Baboo




On Thu, Nov 14, 2019, 2:07 PM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:

>
> Thanks Mike for using the word "alleged".  This thread is complete BS.
> I send prospects and owners to the List.  It save me a lot of time.
> Moreover, irrespective of the technicalities, I feel like a proud
> parent; the daddy, whose sperm brought this bright baby to life.  Just
> think, you guys and girls would have been scattered amongst many other
> Lists, never to have met.
>
> This picking on the old man with what sounds like a tweet from the Trump
> administration, probably makes this a good time to mention that the C of
> S program no longer exists.  It has been replaced by "the Rhodes Owners
> Cooperative", so there will be a new kid in town to bully- or profit from.
>
> stan
>
> On 11/14/19 4:17 PM, mweisner at ebsmed.com wrote:
> > Peter,
> >
> > Indeed, I can confirm that the individual subscribed to da list early in
> October and processed a removal request two days ago.
> >
> > As the list admin (and the guy who pays for the hosting service) I am
> dismayed by what is alleged to have happened.
> >
> > You are correct that the list is open to all by charter.  No individual
> has the right to exclude a list member from these communications, certainly
> not based on owner or COS status.
> >
> > If you would be so kind as to forward the email that you received to
> rhodes22-list-admin at rhodes22.org.
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Peter Nyberg
> > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 3:57 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Who Can Join The List?
> >
> > Recently, someone considering the purchase of a Rhodes 22 joined the
> list, posted a question, and got several responses.  This morning I got a
> private email from this person asking a follow up question.  But they also
> mentioned that they had been "scolded for using the forum since I haven't
> completed the sale and don't have a GB CoS?.  They then removed themselves
> from the list.
> >
> > I feel certain that the viewpoint that the list is only for people who
> currently own a Rhodes 22 and have purchased a Certificate of Support from
> General Boats is held by few members of the list, and perhaps only by one.
> But, since I became aware that this has happened (hopefully only once), I
> wanted to point out to anyone unaware that this list has a charter (
> http://www.rhodes22.org/list/index.html <
> http://www.rhodes22.org/list/index.html>), and that among other thing the
> charter states that "This list is open to everyone with an interest in
> Rhodes Sailboats?.
> >
> > If anyone thinks the charter should be changed, they can say so, and we
> can have a discussion.  In the meantime, whoever it is who is telling
> people that they are not welcome on the list should knock it off.
> >
> >
> > I invited the person in question back to the list, but the purchase fell
> through so at the moment they?re not interested.  I assured them that they
> are welcome to return at any time.  I am intentionally not stating any
> specifics at their request.
> >
> > Peter Nyberg
> > Coventry, CT
> > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)=
> >
> >
> >
>
>

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 16 12:02:17 2019
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 12:02:17 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Who Can Join The List?
In-Reply-To: <60A5E5CE-6FAC-4977-BBE4-E122E4926085@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <4A7DBB04-C100-4E5D-B3CB-3E9440E9C9BF@sunnybeeches.com>
 <CAB-twMP6Ar-c6hYKc=bBi3V9p8q5JfXQ3QMyNrhLRy3BS6FVEA@mail.gmail.com>
 <60A5E5CE-6FAC-4977-BBE4-E122E4926085@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMNEquqNcquebvzB1PfqvwgSxayOS0zV0-Q5bNotmLjn5w@mail.gmail.com>

When the Certificate of Support program was started at GB, many of the
original list members publicly voiced the sentiment that if you sold a boat
on the list you should kick up 5% to the capo. A couple times people were
list shamed for posting in competition to the Rhodes corral used boats on
the GB website and not wanting to pay Stan for the privilege. So then
several owners, who had not purchased their boat from Stan offered to pay
the 5% (then 10%) for the C of S to sell on the list...assumingly (but
quite obviously) to avoid negative comments, if not to also entice buyers.

But no, selling a used Rhodes 22 on the list has to my knowledge never been
prohibited by policy statement. List members have however, repeatedly
commented negatively toward those who compete against Stan for business or
profit on the list, whether selling their boat or making and selling
replacement parts or accessories. Art had a run in years ago with GB over
boom rooms, and recently Chris did too over his new business venture. Even
I ganged up on Chris. I alologize Chris.

Todd T.

On Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 09:47 Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> Did we stop? Someone posted a ?Rhodes 22 for sale? message as recently as
> Nov 4.  This has never been forbidden or even discouraged that I am aware
> of.
>
> ?Peter
>
> > On Nov 15, 2019, at 9:26 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > So can we start posting R 22s for sale ads on the list again then?
> >
> >
> > Todd T.
>
>

From a_czerwonky at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 16 13:20:35 2019
From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 18:20:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Who Can Join The List?
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMNEquqNcquebvzB1PfqvwgSxayOS0zV0-Q5bNotmLjn5w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A7DBB04-C100-4E5D-B3CB-3E9440E9C9BF@sunnybeeches.com>
 <CAB-twMP6Ar-c6hYKc=bBi3V9p8q5JfXQ3QMyNrhLRy3BS6FVEA@mail.gmail.com>
 <60A5E5CE-6FAC-4977-BBE4-E122E4926085@sunnybeeches.com>
 <CAB-twMNEquqNcquebvzB1PfqvwgSxayOS0zV0-Q5bNotmLjn5w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1385845392.779210.1573928435595@mail.yahoo.com>

Todd,
I will briefly expand on the issue at hand.? You and I did and do agree on the "certificate" matter.? I have never found a similar practice with any other boat manufacturer and imagine it to be a voluntary contribution of appreciation to Stan.? I doubt much further purpose to most of us in the fleet.? One new potential fleet member was incensed that he was badgered over a 10% fee or surcharge for what he felt he did not want or need.? Totally unacceptable in my view.
I paid commissions to GB for their blessing on my boom room starting in 2007. I ended this agreement for cause in 2008 and an ego was bruised.? The subsequent venting lasted a few years.?
The good supportive relationship within this fleet should not be spoiled with petty money issues.? If a skipper thinks he would need to use a "certificate" to good and valuable atvantage do it, if not, don't.??
The best news is that we skippers stick together throughout.? In many years ahead I hope the fleet continues with this strength.
Best,Art

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 12:02 PM, Todd Tavares<tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:   When the Certificate of Support program was started at GB, many of the
original list members publicly voiced the sentiment that if you sold a boat
on the list you should kick up 5% to the capo. A couple times people were
list shamed for posting in competition to the Rhodes corral used boats on
the GB website and not wanting to pay Stan for the privilege. So then
several owners, who had not purchased their boat from Stan offered to pay
the 5% (then 10%) for the C of S to sell on the list...assumingly (but
quite obviously) to avoid negative comments, if not to also entice buyers.

But no, selling a used Rhodes 22 on the list has to my knowledge never been
prohibited by policy statement. List members have however, repeatedly
commented negatively toward those who compete against Stan for business or
profit on the list, whether selling their boat or making and selling
replacement parts or accessories. Art had a run in years ago with GB over
boom rooms, and recently Chris did too over his new business venture. Even
I ganged up on Chris. I alologize Chris.

Todd T.

On Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 09:47 Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> Did we stop? Someone posted a ?Rhodes 22 for sale? message as recently as
> Nov 4.? This has never been forbidden or even discouraged that I am aware
> of.
>
> ?Peter
>
> > On Nov 15, 2019, at 9:26 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > So can we start posting R 22s for sale ads on the list again then?
> >
> >
> > Todd T.
>
>  

From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com  Sat Nov 16 14:14:30 2019
From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 14:14:30 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Palatka Florida
Message-ID: <2800FEAF-2036-4B8C-9D8D-1E82B4F51134@gmail.com>

Hey! Who owns the R-22 at the city dock in Palatka?   



Bob (Palatka)

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 16 14:52:20 2019
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 14:52:20 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Who Can Join The List?
In-Reply-To: <36e0b46d-9a7c-b6c8-8ce3-181af76eda41@generalboats.com>
References: <4A7DBB04-C100-4E5D-B3CB-3E9440E9C9BF@sunnybeeches.com>
 <CAB-twMP9GmEb-usx4=ZpCNgr-FCua53ypWx3bWTMHiYa1B2gsA@mail.gmail.com>
 <36e0b46d-9a7c-b6c8-8ce3-181af76eda41@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMM1Mt+Jg3nGCS8wH9a05kR6votFu2BPKYTPT-tHzJ3VYA@mail.gmail.com>

To Stan,

The hoping the fence thing was all tongue in cheek. LOL  means laughing out
loud

No malice intended. I would have to break out paper and pencil if you want
specific answers to every specific questions but I will try later.
I probably should just remain silent. Thats the advice I am getting back
channel from a few of the longer standing list members anyway, but

I have always openly voiced opposition to the C of S program.

Some backstory: After early on I was openly schooled, scolded, ridiculed
and  only then being clued in on the limited scope and scale of GB ,
(2000ish?) ...after getting my nose out of joint when you wouldn't honor my
request for parts and construction details. Paraphrasing you here...'not
having ever put one thin dime in my (your) pocket'...I got the picture. I
got it...really I did.
And I've still got the nasty-grams and the insult letters to prove it.
So I don't think I have ever asked you for anything ever again.
I don't need factory support. If I can't it fix it or build it myself,
well....(credentials omitted)

Over the years I have, by direct email or other ways forwarded info to you
back channel about boats for sale. A few you have bought for recycle and
resold for profit (hopefully) putting thousands and thousands of dimes in
your pocket...but I never paid for a C of S.
For this, you have joked in the past that I already have an honorary C of
S. You ended the program recently--unannounced it seems-- just when I was
about to stroke the $31.50 check for the real C of S afterall ....hence the
joke about just when ...about jumping the back fence ( the "honorary" C of
S), but now wanting to go legit and give you the $31.50. Bad joke obviously.

While I think the C of S has a purpose as far as you business survival is
concerned, I think it is ridiculous. But thats my personal opinion. I have
been on this list since before it left Sailnet. You and I have had a couple
back-and-forths ourselves...all in good fun though, or at least I thought
so. You're from NYC so you must have thick skin.

Regardless of all of this, list members do in fact come down on folks who
want to sell their boats on the list and not patricipate in the C of S
program. I think that is wrong. Still there remains an atmosphere that this
is the GB list. It gives the message that we need to pay GB for the
privilege of telling other list members we are selling our own boats.
List charter or not, members still bully other or potential members. See my
previous post and the post which started this conversation; it happens. The
admins can't control that and its not GBs doing either. But hopefully this
conversation puts it in the spotlight.

BUT still I think I have supported you over the years, often times siding
with the Zealots here. I commented in protection of GB toward Art over the
boom room thing. I commented against Chris C. too, for advertising about
his latest business. This is after having met Chris in person, knowing
something about his and his partners' business offers for GB, and Chris
even gave me a set of cockpit fill cushions. Again I should have listened
to the Old Guard's back channel advice and kept quiet and privately
apologized to Art and Chris C. Its more about advertising for business...on
the owner's list...that motivated me, more so than protecting you. Or at
least that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

I'll  try to hit some questions having not researched:
>>Some one should reach out to the guest who was chased out for trying to
sell their boat without the C of S, which is what started this conversation.

>> about frustration part,  I can make a guess.
It could have been that I understand the frustration of confronting the
negative list commentary, scrutiny and humiliation?
Or from another comment I made:
Also, I am researching a bigger boat for a project. I try to visit other
owners lists for info...like what are the problem areas I should check when
looking at boats for sale...keel posts, chain plates, blisters, etc etc
etc. Some of the other owner's lists are private closed lists and you can't
even join or ask a question unless you submit your hull ID #. Unwittingly
they (other lists) have aided in my decision to look at a different type or
mfg. The things reportedly going on here most likely have the same effect
on potential future Rhodes owners too?? I can only speculate.


Todd T.

On Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 15:38 stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:

> Todd, I love your posts.  You say what you think.  But I don't always
> get what you think.  Help:
> /
> //"Now I'm upset and it makes sense now...lol.//" /I think "lol" means
> lots of luck, but luck has not proven to be enough to get me to
> understand the rest of this sentence.  I did not know your were upset.
> Upset about what?  And what makes "sense" now?  And what in the world
> are you talking about with /"why Stan allowed me to hop the back fence
> into the C of S program..../". Has semantics advanced that much in the
> past 75 years?   Can you rephrase this point so I understand the point
> you are making? Please.  You are blowing my mind trying to understand
> what you are talking about here. /
>
> "It probably took money out of Stan's (or Chris's or Art's) pocket." /
> What is "it" and how would it be taking money out of my pocket.  Sounds
> like I should be trying to get it back.
>
> "/I can understand that persons frustrations/" What person?  What
> frustration?  Do you have some info you can share with me.   I am
> confused and if guilty of anything I would like to know about it and
> make it right.
> /
> //"Someone should reach out to that guy/gal." /Oops, I am getting it
> wrong.  I thought from what you said above that you knew who that person
> is and what his or her frustrations are or were.
>
> When you get a chance, I would really like to see what you are seeing
> that I am missing in this thread.  The business is my hobby, my
> diversion and my meal ticket so I am more motivated than most on the
> List to understand it.  True I am down to only two mouths to feed but
> the cat eats like a pig.  It knocked on the window one night and now
> refuses to move on.  I give it organic food which he or she hates (we
> have not been hanging out long enough for our getting intimate so I
> don't know which it is yet).
>
> Todd, it is obvious from my email that you are affecting my sanity side.
> The logical side is still functioning fairly well.  Please give me all
> this in an earlier form of communicating so I can understand what you
> are talking about.
>
> thanks,
> stan
>

From a_czerwonky at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 16 15:25:39 2019
From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 20:25:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Who Can Join The List?
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMM1Mt+Jg3nGCS8wH9a05kR6votFu2BPKYTPT-tHzJ3VYA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A7DBB04-C100-4E5D-B3CB-3E9440E9C9BF@sunnybeeches.com>
 <CAB-twMP9GmEb-usx4=ZpCNgr-FCua53ypWx3bWTMHiYa1B2gsA@mail.gmail.com>
 <36e0b46d-9a7c-b6c8-8ce3-181af76eda41@generalboats.com>
 <CAB-twMM1Mt+Jg3nGCS8wH9a05kR6votFu2BPKYTPT-tHzJ3VYA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <96414682.796327.1573935939915@mail.yahoo.com>

Todd,
I sent a reply to your message, although I have not seen it posted. Would you verify that you received it. Thank you, my friend.? BTW I never was offended in our communication.
Art
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 2:52 PM, Todd Tavares<tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:   To Stan,

The hoping the fence thing was all tongue in cheek. LOL? means laughing out
loud

No malice intended. I would have to break out paper and pencil if you want
specific answers to every specific questions but I will try later.
I probably should just remain silent. Thats the advice I am getting back
channel from a few of the longer standing list members anyway, but

I have always openly voiced opposition to the C of S program.

Some backstory: After early on I was openly schooled, scolded, ridiculed
and? only then being clued in on the limited scope and scale of GB ,
(2000ish?) ...after getting my nose out of joint when you wouldn't honor my
request for parts and construction details. Paraphrasing you here...'not
having ever put one thin dime in my (your) pocket'...I got the picture. I
got it...really I did.
And I've still got the nasty-grams and the insult letters to prove it.
So I don't think I have ever asked you for anything ever again.
I don't need factory support. If I can't it fix it or build it myself,
well....(credentials omitted)

Over the years I have, by direct email or other ways forwarded info to you
back channel about boats for sale. A few you have bought for recycle and
resold for profit (hopefully) putting thousands and thousands of dimes in
your pocket...but I never paid for a C of S.
For this, you have joked in the past that I already have an honorary C of
S. You ended the program recently--unannounced it seems-- just when I was
about to stroke the $31.50 check for the real C of S afterall ....hence the
joke about just when ...about jumping the back fence ( the "honorary" C of
S), but now wanting to go legit and give you the $31.50. Bad joke obviously.

While I think the C of S has a purpose as far as you business survival is
concerned, I think it is ridiculous. But thats my personal opinion. I have
been on this list since before it left Sailnet. You and I have had a couple
back-and-forths ourselves...all in good fun though, or at least I thought
so. You're from NYC so you must have thick skin.

Regardless of all of this, list members do in fact come down on folks who
want to sell their boats on the list and not patricipate in the C of S
program. I think that is wrong. Still there remains an atmosphere that this
is the GB list. It gives the message that we need to pay GB for the
privilege of telling other list members we are selling our own boats.
List charter or not, members still bully other or potential members. See my
previous post and the post which started this conversation; it happens. The
admins can't control that and its not GBs doing either. But hopefully this
conversation puts it in the spotlight.

BUT still I think I have supported you over the years, often times siding
with the Zealots here. I commented in protection of GB toward Art over the
boom room thing. I commented against Chris C. too, for advertising about
his latest business. This is after having met Chris in person, knowing
something about his and his partners' business offers for GB, and Chris
even gave me a set of cockpit fill cushions. Again I should have listened
to the Old Guard's back channel advice and kept quiet and privately
apologized to Art and Chris C. Its more about advertising for business...on
the owner's list...that motivated me, more so than protecting you. Or at
least that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

I'll? try to hit some questions having not researched:
>>Some one should reach out to the guest who was chased out for trying to
sell their boat without the C of S, which is what started this conversation.

>> about frustration part,? I can make a guess.
It could have been that I understand the frustration of confronting the
negative list commentary, scrutiny and humiliation?
Or from another comment I made:
Also, I am researching a bigger boat for a project. I try to visit other
owners lists for info...like what are the problem areas I should check when
looking at boats for sale...keel posts, chain plates, blisters, etc etc
etc. Some of the other owner's lists are private closed lists and you can't
even join or ask a question unless you submit your hull ID #. Unwittingly
they (other lists) have aided in my decision to look at a different type or
mfg. The things reportedly going on here most likely have the same effect
on potential future Rhodes owners too?? I can only speculate.


Todd T.

On Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 15:38 stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:

> Todd, I love your posts.? You say what you think.? But I don't always
> get what you think.? Help:
> /
> //"Now I'm upset and it makes sense now...lol.//" /I think "lol" means
> lots of luck, but luck has not proven to be enough to get me to
> understand the rest of this sentence.? I did not know your were upset.
> Upset about what?? And what makes "sense" now?? And what in the world
> are you talking about with /"why Stan allowed me to hop the back fence
> into the C of S program..../". Has semantics advanced that much in the
> past 75 years?? Can you rephrase this point so I understand the point
> you are making? Please.? You are blowing my mind trying to understand
> what you are talking about here. /
>
> "It probably took money out of Stan's (or Chris's or Art's) pocket." /
> What is "it" and how would it be taking money out of my pocket.? Sounds
> like I should be trying to get it back.
>
> "/I can understand that persons frustrations/" What person?? What
> frustration?? Do you have some info you can share with me.? I am
> confused and if guilty of anything I would like to know about it and
> make it right.
> /
> //"Someone should reach out to that guy/gal." /Oops, I am getting it
> wrong.? I thought from what you said above that you knew who that person
> is and what his or her frustrations are or were.
>
> When you get a chance, I would really like to see what you are seeing
> that I am missing in this thread.? The business is my hobby, my
> diversion and my meal ticket so I am more motivated than most on the
> List to understand it.? True I am down to only two mouths to feed but
> the cat eats like a pig.? It knocked on the window one night and now
> refuses to move on.? I give it organic food which he or she hates (we
> have not been hanging out long enough for our getting intimate so I
> don't know which it is yet).
>
> Todd, it is obvious from my email that you are affecting my sanity side.
> The logical side is still functioning fairly well.? Please give me all
> this in an earlier form of communicating so I can understand what you
> are talking about.
>
> thanks,
> stan
>
  

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Sat Nov 16 18:21:11 2019
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 16:21:11 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cabin sole overlay
Message-ID: <1573946471398-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

My cabin sole was the plywood when I bought the boat since the carpet was no
longer in great condition and had been removed.  I was hesitant to put back
in carpet but wanted a nicer look than the plywood.  I just put in a
TrafficMaster self-stick vinyl plank that look like oak.  This is a cheap,
low skill approach compared to some of the beautiful woodwork for cabin sole
upgrades that others have posted about.  We'll have to see how this holds up
and reacts to the changes in elements over the seasons.  The panels have
some faux wood texture that should prevent it from being too slippery.  If I
need to unscrew the flooring for any reason, I'll need to pull up these
panels.  I used less than half of a  package of the paneling so I have
plenty of extra.  It cost $35 at Home Depot.  You can see the lines where I
cut around the panel over the bilge so I can still remove that for easy
access.  I used some colored caulk to fill in the gaps to address the spots
where my installation was less than perfect.  Perhaps someday I'll take on a
real woodwork project version of this, but this will have to do for now.  It
certainly looks nicer than before.  Passing this on in case others are
curious about another approach to upgrade from the plywood sole after carpet
has been removed.

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/MidWay.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/Finished1.jpg> 
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<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/VinylTile.jpg> 
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat Nov 16 22:18:20 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 21:18:20 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cabin sole overlay
In-Reply-To: <1573946471398-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1573946471398-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiWJvybPvw=3wuLzK7j109vNP4NzkO0R6MZ5R===hmX7qA@mail.gmail.com>

Looks very nice!

Chris G.
Enosis

On Sat, 16 Nov 2019 at 17:07, Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
wrote:

> My cabin sole was the plywood when I bought the boat since the carpet was
> no
> longer in great condition and had been removed.  I was hesitant to put back
> in carpet but wanted a nicer look than the plywood.  I just put in a
> TrafficMaster self-stick vinyl plank that look like oak.  This is a cheap,
> low skill approach compared to some of the beautiful woodwork for cabin
> sole
> upgrades that others have posted about.  We'll have to see how this holds
> up
> and reacts to the changes in elements over the seasons.  The panels have
> some faux wood texture that should prevent it from being too slippery.  If
> I
> need to unscrew the flooring for any reason, I'll need to pull up these
> panels.  I used less than half of a  package of the paneling so I have
> plenty of extra.  It cost $35 at Home Depot.  You can see the lines where I
> cut around the panel over the bilge so I can still remove that for easy
> access.  I used some colored caulk to fill in the gaps to address the spots
> where my installation was less than perfect.  Perhaps someday I'll take on
> a
> real woodwork project version of this, but this will have to do for now.
> It
> certainly looks nicer than before.  Passing this on in case others are
> curious about another approach to upgrade from the plywood sole after
> carpet
> has been removed.
>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/MidWay.jpg>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/Finished1.jpg>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/FinishedTB.jpg>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/VinylTile.jpg>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/Filler.jpg>
>
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Mon Nov 18 09:36:45 2019
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 14:36:45 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cabin sole overlay
In-Reply-To: <1573946471398-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1573946471398-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <MN2PR05MB6941419C999F0BEA79557A39C14D0@MN2PR05MB6941.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Jesse,
Very nice and good idea.  And cheap too.  Let us know how it fairs after getting wet and being in the weather.  I currently use indoor/outdoor carpet for my cabin sole, but the vinyl plank gives me another option. - rob

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Jesse Shumaker
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 6:21 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cabin sole overlay

My cabin sole was the plywood when I bought the boat since the carpet was no longer in great condition and had been removed.  I was hesitant to put back in carpet but wanted a nicer look than the plywood.  I just put in a TrafficMaster self-stick vinyl plank that look like oak.  This is a cheap, low skill approach compared to some of the beautiful woodwork for cabin sole upgrades that others have posted about.  We'll have to see how this holds up and reacts to the changes in elements over the seasons.  The panels have some faux wood texture that should prevent it from being too slippery.  If I need to unscrew the flooring for any reason, I'll need to pull up these panels.  I used less than half of a  package of the paneling so I have plenty of extra.  It cost $35 at Home Depot.  You can see the lines where I cut around the panel over the bilge so I can still remove that for easy access.  I used some colored caulk to fill in the gaps to address the spots where my installation was less than perfect.  Perhaps someday I'll take on a real woodwork project version of this, but this will have to do for now.  It certainly looks nicer than before.  Passing this on in case others are curious about another approach to upgrade from the plywood sole after carpet has been removed.

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/MidWay.jpg>
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/Finished1.jpg>
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/FinishedTB.jpg>
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/VinylTile.jpg>
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From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Mon Nov 18 10:24:39 2019
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 15:24:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cabin sole overlay
In-Reply-To: <1573946471398-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1573946471398-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <853982634.1181080.1574090679876@mail.yahoo.com>

looks great? we did that in the head carpeted the sole was worried about slipping when healed let me know how it is working looks better and easy to clean


-----Original Message-----
From: Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Sat, Nov 16, 2019 6:08 pm
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cabin sole overlay

My cabin sole was the plywood when I bought the boat since the carpet was no
longer in great condition and had been removed.? I was hesitant to put back
in carpet but wanted a nicer look than the plywood.? I just put in a
TrafficMaster self-stick vinyl plank that look like oak.? This is a cheap,
low skill approach compared to some of the beautiful woodwork for cabin sole
upgrades that others have posted about.? We'll have to see how this holds up
and reacts to the changes in elements over the seasons.? The panels have
some faux wood texture that should prevent it from being too slippery.? If I
need to unscrew the flooring for any reason, I'll need to pull up these
panels.? I used less than half of a? package of the paneling so I have
plenty of extra.? It cost $35 at Home Depot.? You can see the lines where I
cut around the panel over the bilge so I can still remove that for easy
access.? I used some colored caulk to fill in the gaps to address the spots
where my installation was less than perfect.? Perhaps someday I'll take on a
real woodwork project version of this, but this will have to do for now.? It
certainly looks nicer than before.? Passing this on in case others are
curious about another approach to upgrade from the plywood sole after carpet
has been removed.

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/MidWay.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/Finished1.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/FinishedTB.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/VinylTile.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/Filler.jpg> 



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From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com  Mon Nov 18 10:26:03 2019
From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 10:26:03 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cabin sole overlay
In-Reply-To: <853982634.1181080.1574090679876@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <853982634.1181080.1574090679876@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A4A61AEF-2B1B-4655-AD6D-E147E28EB673@gmail.com>

I used that type flooring in my boat.  Looks great, easy to clean and has good traction.

Bob (palatka)

> On Nov 18, 2019, at 10:24 AM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?looks great  we did that in the head carpeted the sole was worried about slipping when healed let me know how it is working looks better and easy to clean
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
> To: rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Sat, Nov 16, 2019 6:08 pm
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cabin sole overlay
> 
> My cabin sole was the plywood when I bought the boat since the carpet was no
> longer in great condition and had been removed.  I was hesitant to put back
> in carpet but wanted a nicer look than the plywood.  I just put in a
> TrafficMaster self-stick vinyl plank that look like oak.  This is a cheap,
> low skill approach compared to some of the beautiful woodwork for cabin sole
> upgrades that others have posted about.  We'll have to see how this holds up
> and reacts to the changes in elements over the seasons.  The panels have
> some faux wood texture that should prevent it from being too slippery.  If I
> need to unscrew the flooring for any reason, I'll need to pull up these
> panels.  I used less than half of a  package of the paneling so I have
> plenty of extra.  It cost $35 at Home Depot.  You can see the lines where I
> cut around the panel over the bilge so I can still remove that for easy
> access.  I used some colored caulk to fill in the gaps to address the spots
> where my installation was less than perfect.  Perhaps someday I'll take on a
> real woodwork project version of this, but this will have to do for now.  It
> certainly looks nicer than before.  Passing this on in case others are
> curious about another approach to upgrade from the plywood sole after carpet
> has been removed.
> 
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/MidWay.jpg> 
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/Finished1.jpg> 
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/FinishedTB.jpg> 
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/VinylTile.jpg> 
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/Filler.jpg> 
> 
> 
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From allynb at adsne.com  Mon Nov 18 20:32:53 2019
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 01:32:53 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard knot
Message-ID: <EEE8D6DE-E8C7-44A8-AB8E-29EB3EBA5DC0@adsne.com>

I started disassembling my boat too long ago, including the line for the centerboard. I tied it up with a bowline, but I thought before I screw the cb cap on, I?d confirm this is correct. I?ve been taking pictures, but I missed this one. Thank you. 

Sent from my iPhone

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Mon Nov 18 20:33:08 2019
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 20:33:08 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cabin sole overlay
In-Reply-To: <1573946471398-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1573946471398-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <00d401d59e79$4ecc2210$ec646630$@ca>

The cabin sole looks terrific and should be a low maintenances fix. Good
job.

Graham Stewart
Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
Kingston Ontario



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Jesse Shumaker
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 6:21 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cabin sole overlay

My cabin sole was the plywood when I bought the boat since the carpet was no
longer in great condition and had been removed.  I was hesitant to put back
in carpet but wanted a nicer look than the plywood.  I just put in a
TrafficMaster self-stick vinyl plank that look like oak.  This is a cheap,
low skill approach compared to some of the beautiful woodwork for cabin sole
upgrades that others have posted about.  We'll have to see how this holds up
and reacts to the changes in elements over the seasons.  The panels have
some faux wood texture that should prevent it from being too slippery.  If I
need to unscrew the flooring for any reason, I'll need to pull up these
panels.  I used less than half of a  package of the paneling so I have
plenty of extra.  It cost $35 at Home Depot.  You can see the lines where I
cut around the panel over the bilge so I can still remove that for easy
access.  I used some colored caulk to fill in the gaps to address the spots
where my installation was less than perfect.  Perhaps someday I'll take on a
real woodwork project version of this, but this will have to do for now.  It
certainly looks nicer than before.  Passing this on in case others are
curious about another approach to upgrade from the plywood sole after carpet
has been removed.

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/MidWay.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/Finished1.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/FinishedTB.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/VinylTile.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/Filler.jpg> 



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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Mon Nov 18 21:34:57 2019
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 19:34:57 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement of winch for motor lift
In-Reply-To: <1573267931386-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1573267780222-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1573267931386-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1574130897557-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

As I mentioned before, the winch came with a couple of remotes in addition to
the wired switch.  I will keep one of the remotes stowed safely in the cabin
as a backup.  However, I wanted to make another remote easily accessible for
use.  I decided to apply velcro with adhesive back to the inside of the
coaming storage in a few key spots (see the green rectangles that depict the
placement in the marked up photo), and the back of the remote.  I also
mounted a retractable key fob and attached that to the remote.  The key fob
got the full Gorilla treatment for mounting inside the coaming storage:
first Gorilla glue and then Gorilla tape on top of that.  Nothing fancy, but
it's all tucked away out of sight anyway.  I plan to store the remote on the
the upper middle velcro position since that is out of the elements and
hopefully high enough to be away from splashes.  I'm passing this along in
case anyone else lives in fear of losing their motor winch remote.

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/winch1back.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/winch2mount.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/winch3gorilla.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/winch4velcro.jpg> 
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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Mon Nov 18 21:36:07 2019
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 19:36:07 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement of winch for motor lift
In-Reply-To: <1574130897557-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1573267780222-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1573267931386-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1574130897557-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1574130967949-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Just noticed that the last photo is upside down, so you'll have to flip that
mentally.  The remote is ABOVE the coaming storage opening.



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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Mon Nov 18 22:08:48 2019
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 20:08:48 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] gasket for mounting solar vent
Message-ID: <1574132928267-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

I am putting in a solar vent in the 3" hole over the anchor locker in the
bow.  It comes with an inner gasket that goes right around the 3" hole - no
problems there.  It also comes with a larger gasket that is the size of the
outer diameter, which is 9".  The above deck piece has threads and there is
a piece that screws onto that from below deck, which tightens and secures
the fan to the deck.  The problem is that when I have that screwed tight,
the edges of the fan assembly are too high due to the way that the deck
tilts down from the center of the boat to shed water.  You can see where the
scissors in between the bottom of the fan and the outer gasket illustrate
that gap showing that the outer gasket is not high enough.

Obviously I need to make sure that I seal this properly to prevent a water
problem.  I picked up a 9" silicone gasket meant for pressure cookers that I
could use.  I attached a photo with that and the normal gasket.  Now that I
think about it, I can probably just do the larger gasket.  It seems like
this may work but I wanted to check and see if anyone else had ran into this
and see if there are any suggestions before I proceed.  Once I mount it, I
plan to seal it with some adhesive/caulk but I haven't finalize which
product to use yet.  I've seen warnings on the list about 3M 5200, but I'm
not sure what would be the best alternative.

Any recommendations regarding what type of gasket / sealant to use would be
much appreciated.

Another question, do people tend to leave the fan on continuously?  Crawling
up head first into the v-berth to turn it on / off is not particularly easy.

Thanks in advance for any input.

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/TopView.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/FanGaskets.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/FanUnderside.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/GasketGapScissors.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/DoubleGasket.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/newGasket.jpg> 



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From snstaum at gmail.com  Tue Nov 19 06:27:25 2019
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 06:27:25 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cabin sole overlay
In-Reply-To: <1573946471398-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1573946471398-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAOo_Fje3n8ANUWgOk62JNApsTF0xsToQBKjD_Gdp2wpoFraytg@mail.gmail.com>

It looks great Jesse.  I am tempted. Let us know how it holds up.


*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Carol Lee 2*

*Needham, MA*


On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 6:07 PM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> My cabin sole was the plywood when I bought the boat since the carpet was
> no
> longer in great condition and had been removed.  I was hesitant to put back
> in carpet but wanted a nicer look than the plywood.  I just put in a
> TrafficMaster self-stick vinyl plank that look like oak.  This is a cheap,
> low skill approach compared to some of the beautiful woodwork for cabin
> sole
> upgrades that others have posted about.  We'll have to see how this holds
> up
> and reacts to the changes in elements over the seasons.  The panels have
> some faux wood texture that should prevent it from being too slippery.  If
> I
> need to unscrew the flooring for any reason, I'll need to pull up these
> panels.  I used less than half of a  package of the paneling so I have
> plenty of extra.  It cost $35 at Home Depot.  You can see the lines where I
> cut around the panel over the bilge so I can still remove that for easy
> access.  I used some colored caulk to fill in the gaps to address the spots
> where my installation was less than perfect.  Perhaps someday I'll take on
> a
> real woodwork project version of this, but this will have to do for now.
> It
> certainly looks nicer than before.  Passing this on in case others are
> curious about another approach to upgrade from the plywood sole after
> carpet
> has been removed.
>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/MidWay.jpg>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/Finished1.jpg>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/FinishedTB.jpg>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/VinylTile.jpg>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/Filler.jpg>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Tue Nov 19 08:49:05 2019
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 08:49:05 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cabin sole overlay
In-Reply-To: <CAOo_Fje3n8ANUWgOk62JNApsTF0xsToQBKjD_Gdp2wpoFraytg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1573946471398-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CAOo_Fje3n8ANUWgOk62JNApsTF0xsToQBKjD_Gdp2wpoFraytg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00e301d59ee0$1ea8a790$5bf9f6b0$@ca>

I expect that the floor will hold up well. The instructions for vinyl plank flooring specify a pretty narrow temperature range as expansion and contraction due to temperature change can result in the seams between the planks separating. However, I put a vinyl plank floor in my motor home and it seemed to do well through our very cold Ontario winters. Only one of the end seams opened up a bit and that was across the longest strip which was about 22'. The smaller the area the less of a problem that should be and given that the sole of the R22 is so small I would not expect this to be a problem especially if the floor Is left to "float" and is not fastened down anywhere. 

The biggest problem for me would be to not have access to the bilge without removing the floor. I need to access the bilge regularly to remove water. It might be possible to create access doors through the vinyl but that would need to be experimented with to see if such panels broke up the integrity of the floor so much that the strips would separate.

One bit of advice I noted when researching the planks for the motor home (where this material is used frequently) was to avoid installing the floor on particularly hot days as shrinkage  when the temperature drops will be more likely to separate the planks. The reverse problem might occur if the floor was installed in very cold temperatures but I can't see anyone doing this in sub-freezing temperatures.

Another alternative for the Rhodes sole, and the one I employed, was to install vinyl sheet flooring and installing it with contact cement on 1/2" ply epoxy coated floor boards. The epoxy preserves the wood but also eliminates contraction and expansion through moisture absorption. Of course they are still subject to thermal expansion but I suspect that form of expansion is much less. I put in three access panels where they were most useful. I then glued the vinyl to the panels and access doors and then reinstalled the floor in the boat with pan head bolts with finish washers that screwed into threaded inserts. This arrangement allows me to remove and replace the floor boards entirely if necessary without creating new screw holes, or making existing screw holes larger in the stringers. 

Once the inserts were installed I coated all of the stringers (which were made with pressure treated deck boards) with epoxy to preserve them and eliminate moisture expansion. You can see in the picture attached where the wood inserts were located. For the outside edge attachment to the stringers I used aluminum L extrusions that were bolted to the plywood cabinetry/stringers and then used aluminum inserts for the floor board bolts. The use of L track allowed me to lower the floor slightly and by using 1/2" flooring I was able to increase the head room about 3/4" - which when you are 6'3" tall actually matters. 

The big question I had, and one no one I spoke to could answer, was whether the glue would hold up over the winter and whether the flooring would wrinkle. As with the planks, the manufacturer specified a narrow temperature range - well above freezing - for the flooring. It has now been three years and I am happy to see that in spite of months of freezing temperatures it seems as good as when it was installed. I assume that coating the floorboards thoroughly with multiple coats of epoxy helps with the adhesion but that is largely theoretical.


Graham Stewart
Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
Kingston Ontario





-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Staum
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 6:27 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cabin sole overlay

It looks great Jesse.  I am tempted. Let us know how it holds up.


*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Carol Lee 2*

*Needham, MA*


On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 6:07 PM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> My cabin sole was the plywood when I bought the boat since the carpet was
> no
> longer in great condition and had been removed.  I was hesitant to put back
> in carpet but wanted a nicer look than the plywood.  I just put in a
> TrafficMaster self-stick vinyl plank that look like oak.  This is a cheap,
> low skill approach compared to some of the beautiful woodwork for cabin
> sole
> upgrades that others have posted about.  We'll have to see how this holds
> up
> and reacts to the changes in elements over the seasons.  The panels have
> some faux wood texture that should prevent it from being too slippery.  If
> I
> need to unscrew the flooring for any reason, I'll need to pull up these
> panels.  I used less than half of a  package of the paneling so I have
> plenty of extra.  It cost $35 at Home Depot.  You can see the lines where I
> cut around the panel over the bilge so I can still remove that for easy
> access.  I used some colored caulk to fill in the gaps to address the spots
> where my installation was less than perfect.  Perhaps someday I'll take on
> a
> real woodwork project version of this, but this will have to do for now.
> It
> certainly looks nicer than before.  Passing this on in case others are
> curious about another approach to upgrade from the plywood sole after
> carpet
> has been removed.
>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/MidWay.jpg>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/Finished1.jpg>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/FinishedTB.jpg>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/VinylTile.jpg>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/Filler.jpg>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>
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From rweiss at siu.edu  Tue Nov 19 09:27:21 2019
From: rweiss at siu.edu (rweiss)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 07:27:21 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bilge question
Message-ID: <1574173641942-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Just saw another reference to water in the bilge which makes me think I need
to be more aware of a potential problem. Where does water come from to get
into the bilge? I don't think I have ever had any water in my bilge. (I've
only taken up the carpet in the cabin a couple of times to check.) I do not
have a bilge pump. Do I need to be more concerned about this?  

Bob
Beach Spring




-----
Bob Weiss
Beach Spring
1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014
--
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From tvpolise at aol.com  Tue Nov 19 09:34:12 2019
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 09:34:12 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bilge question
In-Reply-To: <1574173641942-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1574173641942-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <BCB2C711-16B4-4B9C-BC7A-6BAB8E227CA1@aol.com>

I recently bought a Rhodes 22 launched her and a week later found the bilge filled with salt water.   After checking the centerboard gasket and bolts and finding them dry I discovered the leak.  It was from the port thru-hull fitting located adjacent to the forward battery. I needed to remove the plywood to get to it and discovered a plastic thru hull fitting.  I was hesitant to adjust it for fear of breaking it and then having to haul her out. I wound up installing a bilge pump and tying discharge into sink waste.  I plan on replacing both thru hulls with bronze fittings this winter. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 19, 2019, at 9:27 AM, rweiss <rweiss at siu.edu> wrote:
> 
> Just saw another reference to water in the bilge which makes me think I need
> to be more aware of a potential problem. Where does water come from to get
> into the bilge? I don't think I have ever had any water in my bilge. (I've
> only taken up the carpet in the cabin a couple of times to check.) I do not
> have a bilge pump. Do I need to be more concerned about this?  
> 
> Bob
> Beach Spring
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> Bob Weiss
> Beach Spring
> 1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/


From hnw555 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 19 10:25:39 2019
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 10:25:39 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bilge question
In-Reply-To: <BCB2C711-16B4-4B9C-BC7A-6BAB8E227CA1@aol.com>
References: <1574173641942-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <BCB2C711-16B4-4B9C-BC7A-6BAB8E227CA1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CADQNfMBctG46AJnAL4V5gKB7yP3TOr+scO0kzTKahxyD6yr6gg@mail.gmail.com>

The fact that it is plastic is unlikely to be your issue as they are quite
common.  Most likely it just needs to be re-bedded with new sealant.

Hank

On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 9:41 AM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> I recently bought a Rhodes 22 launched her and a week later found the
> bilge filled with salt water.   After checking the centerboard gasket and
> bolts and finding them dry I discovered the leak.  It was from the port
> thru-hull fitting located adjacent to the forward battery. I needed to
> remove the plywood to get to it and discovered a plastic thru hull
> fitting.  I was hesitant to adjust it for fear of breaking it and then
> having to haul her out. I wound up installing a bilge pump and tying
> discharge into sink waste.  I plan on replacing both thru hulls with bronze
> fittings this winter.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 19, 2019, at 9:27 AM, rweiss <rweiss at siu.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Just saw another reference to water in the bilge which makes me think I
> need
> > to be more aware of a potential problem. Where does water come from to
> get
> > into the bilge? I don't think I have ever had any water in my bilge.
> (I've
> > only taken up the carpet in the cabin a couple of times to check.) I do
> not
> > have a bilge pump. Do I need to be more concerned about this?
> >
> > Bob
> > Beach Spring
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----
> > Bob Weiss
> > Beach Spring
> > 1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Tue Nov 19 16:02:27 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 15:02:27 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cabin sole overlay
In-Reply-To: <00d401d59e79$4ecc2210$ec646630$@ca>
References: <1573946471398-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <00d401d59e79$4ecc2210$ec646630$@ca>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiU9Nk0uSabqaPns=YejYyoyCMrcjBQQyGMzU-AAUyoV2w@mail.gmail.com>

I?ve used a similar product for the last 4 years with very heavy use and it
has stood up well; good choice and nice project photos.

Chris G.
ENOSIS

On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 at 19:33, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> The cabin sole looks terrific and should be a low maintenances fix. Good
> job.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of
> Jesse Shumaker
> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 6:21 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cabin sole overlay
>
> My cabin sole was the plywood when I bought the boat since the carpet was
> no
> longer in great condition and had been removed.  I was hesitant to put back
> in carpet but wanted a nicer look than the plywood.  I just put in a
> TrafficMaster self-stick vinyl plank that look like oak.  This is a cheap,
> low skill approach compared to some of the beautiful woodwork for cabin
> sole
> upgrades that others have posted about.  We'll have to see how this holds
> up
> and reacts to the changes in elements over the seasons.  The panels have
> some faux wood texture that should prevent it from being too slippery.  If
> I
> need to unscrew the flooring for any reason, I'll need to pull up these
> panels.  I used less than half of a  package of the paneling so I have
> plenty of extra.  It cost $35 at Home Depot.  You can see the lines where I
> cut around the panel over the bilge so I can still remove that for easy
> access.  I used some colored caulk to fill in the gaps to address the spots
> where my installation was less than perfect.  Perhaps someday I'll take on
> a
> real woodwork project version of this, but this will have to do for now.
> It
> certainly looks nicer than before.  Passing this on in case others are
> curious about another approach to upgrade from the plywood sole after
> carpet
> has been removed.
>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/MidWay.jpg>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/Finished1.jpg>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/FinishedTB.jpg>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/VinylTile.jpg>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/Filler.jpg>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>
>

From dwbrad at gmail.com  Tue Nov 19 18:31:19 2019
From: dwbrad at gmail.com (David Bradley)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 18:31:19 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cabin sole overlay
In-Reply-To: <00d401d59e79$4ecc2210$ec646630$@ca>
References: <1573946471398-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <00d401d59e79$4ecc2210$ec646630$@ca>
Message-ID: <16584C70-AFF7-4D90-AC65-0E517B1BE492@gmail.com>

Looks great.  I used that stuff to redo the kitchen floor in our condo on Vermont.  It looks great and has held up very well.  

Dave B

> On Nov 18, 2019, at 8:33 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> The cabin sole looks terrific and should be a low maintenances fix. Good
> job.
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> Kingston Ontario
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> Jesse Shumaker
> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 6:21 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cabin sole overlay
> 
> My cabin sole was the plywood when I bought the boat since the carpet was no
> longer in great condition and had been removed.  I was hesitant to put back
> in carpet but wanted a nicer look than the plywood.  I just put in a
> TrafficMaster self-stick vinyl plank that look like oak.  This is a cheap,
> low skill approach compared to some of the beautiful woodwork for cabin sole
> upgrades that others have posted about.  We'll have to see how this holds up
> and reacts to the changes in elements over the seasons.  The panels have
> some faux wood texture that should prevent it from being too slippery.  If I
> need to unscrew the flooring for any reason, I'll need to pull up these
> panels.  I used less than half of a  package of the paneling so I have
> plenty of extra.  It cost $35 at Home Depot.  You can see the lines where I
> cut around the panel over the bilge so I can still remove that for easy
> access.  I used some colored caulk to fill in the gaps to address the spots
> where my installation was less than perfect.  Perhaps someday I'll take on a
> real woodwork project version of this, but this will have to do for now.  It
> certainly looks nicer than before.  Passing this on in case others are
> curious about another approach to upgrade from the plywood sole after carpet
> has been removed.
> 
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/MidWay.jpg> 
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/Finished1.jpg> 
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/FinishedTB.jpg> 
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/VinylTile.jpg> 
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/Filler.jpg> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> 


From allynb at adsne.com  Tue Nov 19 18:59:45 2019
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 23:59:45 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Problem with tube to centerboard cap - unsure what
	to do
Message-ID: <SN6PR19MB2381206BFDE2410CE9874A96DC4C0@SN6PR19MB2381.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

As you all can tell with my posts, I'm new to sailing, and I really, really want to get this boat in the water. I've had the inside torn apart for 2-3 weeks, and I'm held up by the tube to the centerboard cap. I've spent multiple evenings trying to get the tube in place that the line to the centerboard goes through. The problem is that the size of the hole in the centerboard cap is 1-1/8" and the outside diameter of the hole in the outlet that goes up to the cockpit is slightly larger than 1-1/4". I believe that is why the previous owner had one tube inside the other, but it leaked pretty badly. I purchased various sizes and types of tubes, I've heated them with boiling water as well as a hot air gun for heat shrink tubing. The problem is, whatever tubing I can get around the upper hole is too loose for the connection at the centerboard cap. I've included a link for the fiberglass on the upper end the tube connects to, and there are lots of gaps in the fiberglass layers. I presume this is why I'm having the problem. I'm literally at my wits end, and I'm contemplating using a Dremel tool and cutting off the upper connection and installing a through hull fitting. However, given how the through hull won't be resting against a flat surface, I'm hesitant about doing this. I'm not sure how well caulk filling in the void will work. Can anyone offer a solution?

https://1drv.ms/u/s!ApL2Pe-LKYIig0lr50d4ejULV_Rl?e=ea6tVz

Thank you very much!

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Tue Nov 19 20:23:59 2019
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 18:23:59 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cabin sole overlay
In-Reply-To: <00e301d59ee0$1ea8a790$5bf9f6b0$@ca>
References: <1573946471398-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CAOo_Fje3n8ANUWgOk62JNApsTF0xsToQBKjD_Gdp2wpoFraytg@mail.gmail.com>
 <00e301d59ee0$1ea8a790$5bf9f6b0$@ca>
Message-ID: <1574213039250-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Graham, thanks for sharing the details about your project along with the
photos.  Your cabin sole project was obviously well researched and well
executed - definitely a few levels up from my simple overlay with the vinyl
planks.  

One note about the vinyl peel and stick planks is that I put some heavy
objects on the planks after installing to make the middle portion stick
well.  I think they will mainly stay in place due the fact that they fill
out the entire floor.  We'll have to see effect temperatures have on
expansion and contraction.  Since it is a small area, hopefully it won't be
too large.  I installed the vinyl planks in temperatures of upper 50's.  For
a few months I am keeping my boat in a warehouse.   A few of the local
sailors leased a section of a rundown warehouse in an old industrial area,
and then rent out a spots at $100 / month per boat.  They keep it at 50
degrees but you can turn up the heat when you're there working.  It's a
great setup to be able to work on some projects outside of the sailing
season.

Regarding access to the bilge, I have a small access panel (see attached
photo) so I can get to the bilge pump and from there I can see the front top
of the centerboard.  I assumed that access panel is standard, but perhaps
that was added by the prior owner.  Fortunately my bilge has been dry thus
far.  If I need more access than that, I'll have some bigger issues to deal
with and peeling up the vinyl planks may be the least of my worries at that
time.

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/bilge_access.jpg> 







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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Tue Nov 19 21:36:31 2019
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 21:36:31 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bilge question
In-Reply-To: <1574173641942-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1574173641942-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <B7B5AB7C-5CE8-4FEF-A498-B831CD6B8955@sunnybeeches.com>

Bob,

Water can get into the bilge in many different ways.  In my case, it mostly comes in through a leaky deck-hull joint when I bury a rail.  Based on my reading of the archives, it seems that rain water intrusion is a more common source.  

One of the primary reasons that I didn?t like my carpeted cabin sole was that it was difficult to check the bilge.  Since you?ve gone through the effort despite the carpet, and found no water, I wouldn?t worry about it.  

I take care of the water that finds its way into my bilge with a bucket and a sponge.  I?m not one to be afraid to add complexity to the boat, but this is a situation where I favor the simpler approach.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT 
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On Nov 19, 2019, at 9:27 AM, rweiss <rweiss at siu.edu> wrote:
> 
> Just saw another reference to water in the bilge which makes me think I need
> to be more aware of a potential problem. Where does water come from to get
> into the bilge? I don't think I have ever had any water in my bilge. (I've
> only taken up the carpet in the cabin a couple of times to check.) I do not
> have a bilge pump. Do I need to be more concerned about this?  
> 
> Bob
> Beach Spring
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> Bob Weiss
> Beach Spring
> 1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/


From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 20 11:53:04 2019
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 11:53:04 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Problem with tube to centerboard cap - unsure
 what to do
In-Reply-To: <SN6PR19MB2381206BFDE2410CE9874A96DC4C0@SN6PR19MB2381.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SN6PR19MB2381206BFDE2410CE9874A96DC4C0@SN6PR19MB2381.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMN8KF+6k1=1Xo5259JjhiS5o03NeUVEtuv5sgFh-ZLv8w@mail.gmail.com>

Allyn,
While I cant speak for others, my boat has an off the shelf mushroom top
through hull fitting. The edges wrre cut off and formed to fit the cockpit
drain gutter. But the main purpose for the through hull is for ease of
connection to the hose below, as water collecting in the cockpit gutter and
seats will drain out through the rear seat drains anyway. Most owners have
enlarged these rear seat drains to at least ?" fittings too, if not already
factory equipped.

Todd T.

tavares0947 at gmail.com

On Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 6:59 PM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:

> As you all can tell with my posts, I'm new to sailing, and I really,
> really want to get this boat in the water. I've had the inside torn apart
> for 2-3 weeks, and I'm held up by the tube to the centerboard cap. I've
> spent multiple evenings trying to get the tube in place that the line to
> the centerboard goes through. The problem is that the size of the hole in
> the centerboard cap is 1-1/8" and the outside diameter of the hole in the
> outlet that goes up to the cockpit is slightly larger than 1-1/4". I
> believe that is why the previous owner had one tube inside the other, but
> it leaked pretty badly. I purchased various sizes and types of tubes, I've
> heated them with boiling water as well as a hot air gun for heat shrink
> tubing. The problem is, whatever tubing I can get around the upper hole is
> too loose for the connection at the centerboard cap. I've included a link
> for the fiberglass on the upper end the tube connects to, and there are
> lots of gaps in the fiberglass layers. I presume this is why I'm having the
> problem. I'm literally at my wits end, and I'm contemplating using a Dremel
> tool and cutting off the upper connection and installing a through hull
> fitting. However, given how the through hull won't be resting against a
> flat surface, I'm hesitant about doing this. I'm not sure how well caulk
> filling in the void will work. Can anyone offer a solution?
>
> https://1drv.ms/u/s!ApL2Pe-LKYIig0lr50d4ejULV_Rl?e=ea6tVz
>
> Thank you very much!
>

From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Wed Nov 20 13:40:47 2019
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 18:40:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Problem with tube to centerboard cap - unsure
 what	to do
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Allen can you sand down the smaller tube wrap a layer or two of fiberglass around it to equal diameter of larger ? ? Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tue, Nov 19, 2019 6:59 pm
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Problem with tube to centerboard cap - unsure what to do

As you all can tell with my posts, I'm new to sailing, and I really, really want to get this boat in the water. I've had the inside torn apart for 2-3 weeks, and I'm held up by the tube to the centerboard cap. I've spent multiple evenings trying to get the tube in place that the line to the centerboard goes through. The problem is that the size of the hole in the centerboard cap is 1-1/8" and the outside diameter of the hole in the outlet that goes up to the cockpit is slightly larger than 1-1/4". I believe that is why the previous owner had one tube inside the other, but it leaked pretty badly. I purchased various sizes and types of tubes, I've heated them with boiling water as well as a hot air gun for heat shrink tubing. The problem is, whatever tubing I can get around the upper hole is too loose for the connection at the centerboard cap. I've included a link for the fiberglass on the upper end the tube connects to, and there are lots of gaps in the fiberglass layers. I presume this is why I'm having the problem. I'm literally at my wits end, and I'm contemplating using a Dremel tool and cutting off the upper connection and installing a through hull fitting. However, given how the through hull won't be resting against a flat surface, I'm hesitant about doing this. I'm not sure how well caulk filling in the void will work. Can anyone offer a solution?

https://1drv.ms/u/s!ApL2Pe-LKYIig0lr50d4ejULV_Rl?e=ea6tVz

Thank you very much!

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Thu Nov 21 00:02:37 2019
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 00:02:37 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Problem with tube to centerboard cap - unsure
	what	to do
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Allyn:
I replaced my upper attachment  with a 3/4" flush head plastic mushroom cap
thru-hull. I cut the proper size hole with a step bit and cut back two
opposing sided of the cap to fit the shape of the drain track of the
fiberglass. I filled any gaps with 3M 4200 sealant. It works fine. Don't use
3M 5200 sealant. It is overkill and you will need to take an axe to your
boat to get it apart if you need to replace it. You may need to remove some
fiberglass to be able to tighten the nut on the upper fitting and to tighten
the hose clamp. You can get white plastic caps at your chandler that can be
used to snap into and cover the hole if it looks unsightly.

The barb on the centerboard housing needs to be the same size - 3/4" for the
tube to fit. It might be necessary to cut off the oversize fitting that is
there now, fiberglass over the hole and insert a new thru-hull of the proper
size. Then you can use plastic tubing that will fit properly and be flexible
enough to push over the barbs with the line already inside. 


Graham Stewart
Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
Kingston Ontario




-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Allyn Baskerville
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 7:00 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Problem with tube to centerboard cap - unsure what
to do

As you all can tell with my posts, I'm new to sailing, and I really, really
want to get this boat in the water. I've had the inside torn apart for 2-3
weeks, and I'm held up by the tube to the centerboard cap. I've spent
multiple evenings trying to get the tube in place that the line to the
centerboard goes through. The problem is that the size of the hole in the
centerboard cap is 1-1/8" and the outside diameter of the hole in the outlet
that goes up to the cockpit is slightly larger than 1-1/4". I believe that
is why the previous owner had one tube inside the other, but it leaked
pretty badly. I purchased various sizes and types of tubes, I've heated them
with boiling water as well as a hot air gun for heat shrink tubing. The
problem is, whatever tubing I can get around the upper hole is too loose for
the connection at the centerboard cap. I've included a link for the
fiberglass on the upper end the tube connects to, and there are lots of gaps
in the fiberglass layers. I presume this is why I'm having the problem. I'm
literally at my wits end, and I'm contemplating using a Dremel tool and
cutting off the upper connection and installing a through hull fitting.
However, given how the through hull won't be resting against a flat surface,
I'm hesitant about doing this. I'm not sure how well caulk filling in the
void will work. Can anyone offer a solution?

https://1drv.ms/u/s!ApL2Pe-LKYIig0lr50d4ejULV_Rl?e=ea6tVz

Thank you very much!


From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Thu Nov 21 00:06:56 2019
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 00:06:56 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cabin sole overlay
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Jesse:

You set up looks great. If it works, it works. I sure wish I had access to
the winter storage facilities that you have. It would be great to do these
jobs over the winter.
Graham

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Jesse Shumaker
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 8:24 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cabin sole overlay

Graham, thanks for sharing the details about your project along with the
photos.  Your cabin sole project was obviously well researched and well
executed - definitely a few levels up from my simple overlay with the vinyl
planks.  

One note about the vinyl peel and stick planks is that I put some heavy
objects on the planks after installing to make the middle portion stick
well.  I think they will mainly stay in place due the fact that they fill
out the entire floor.  We'll have to see effect temperatures have on
expansion and contraction.  Since it is a small area, hopefully it won't be
too large.  I installed the vinyl planks in temperatures of upper 50's.  For
a few months I am keeping my boat in a warehouse.   A few of the local
sailors leased a section of a rundown warehouse in an old industrial area,
and then rent out a spots at $100 / month per boat.  They keep it at 50
degrees but you can turn up the heat when you're there working.  It's a
great setup to be able to work on some projects outside of the sailing
season.

Regarding access to the bilge, I have a small access panel (see attached
photo) so I can get to the bilge pump and from there I can see the front top
of the centerboard.  I assumed that access panel is standard, but perhaps
that was added by the prior owner.  Fortunately my bilge has been dry thus
far.  If I need more access than that, I'll have some bigger issues to deal
with and peeling up the vinyl planks may be the least of my worries at that
time.

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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Thu Nov 21 21:00:39 2019
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 19:00:39 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cockpit filler planks for outdoor sleeping
Message-ID: <1574388039532-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

A friend had some left over 3/4" plywood in 2' x 4' sections that he no
longer needed so I took this opportunity to put it to use by making some
planks that sit on the ledge that surrounds the cockpit just under the lip
of the benches.  My friend also had some extra styrofoam board that I used
to make a pattern before cutting the wood.  I happen to have some varnish
available from another project so I used that too.  This was the rare
project that didn't require purchases. 

I saw some past posts on this topic but didn't see any photos so here are
some attached photos with a brief project recap in case anyone else is
thinking about doing this.

Steps:
- Used styrofoam board to lay across the cockpit and electrical tape to mark
where I thought the edge was. 
- Cut the styrofoam, erring to go a bit wide and then trim down
- Test the fit of the styroam piece and trim as needed
- Use the styrofoam to trace onto the plywood
- Use a jig saw to cut the plywood
- Repeated the prior steps for each section of plywood
- Used a circular saw to cut the 2' sections into 1' sections
- Used a 1.25" hole saw bit to cut holes in the sides to make the planks
easy to pull up and easy to carry
- Used a sander with rough sandpaper to round off the edges (a router would
have been preferable)
- Used a sander with medium grit sandpaper to go over the wood
- Applied Minwax pre-stain conditioner
- Applied 2 coats of Minwax Polyshades 1 step stain and polyurethane (went
over first coat with fine steel wool before applying second coat)

These planks can fit aft in the cabin under my tool box, or I may try
stowing them under cushions in the cabin.  I might only put them in the boat
for times when I'm going to stay the night.

Lesson learned: I should have checked to make sure I had the wood grain
facing the same way on the different plywood sheets before making the cuts
and drilling the holes.  After applying the varnish, the difference is quite
noticeable.

While my wife and I can probably squeeze into the main berth, if I anchor
out with a friend then one of us may sleep in the cockpit if the weather is
nice.  I'm planning on getting a big mosquito net to go over the bimini or a
tarp that I use for a boom tent.  I think I could tuck in the mosquito net
under cockpit cushions.  For cockpit sleeping I'll probably just use a
therm-a-rest backpacking mattress.  I'll post photos in the summer once I've
got the whole setup figured out.  Of course the v-berth is another sleeping
space but that could get quite warm in the summer.   Also, getting to the
portapotty could be a challenge in the middle of the night if more than 1
person is sleeping in the cabin.  

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/FittingWithStyrofoam.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/InitialFit.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/LookingForward.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/LookingAft.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/stowed.jpg> 




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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Fri Nov 22 00:32:20 2019
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 00:32:20 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cockpit filler planks for outdoor sleeping
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Jesse:

Very nice job. Thanks for the photos. I am wondering if you added the ledge
that the boards sit on nd ,if so, how you did that. I don't have a ledge on
my boat and adding one would not be a simple matter.

Graham

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Jesse Shumaker
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 9:01 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cockpit filler planks for outdoor sleeping

A friend had some left over 3/4" plywood in 2' x 4' sections that he no
longer needed so I took this opportunity to put it to use by making some
planks that sit on the ledge that surrounds the cockpit just under the lip
of the benches.  My friend also had some extra styrofoam board that I used
to make a pattern before cutting the wood.  I happen to have some varnish
available from another project so I used that too.  This was the rare
project that didn't require purchases. 

I saw some past posts on this topic but didn't see any photos so here are
some attached photos with a brief project recap in case anyone else is
thinking about doing this.

Steps:
- Used styrofoam board to lay across the cockpit and electrical tape to mark
where I thought the edge was. 
- Cut the styrofoam, erring to go a bit wide and then trim down
- Test the fit of the styroam piece and trim as needed
- Use the styrofoam to trace onto the plywood
- Use a jig saw to cut the plywood
- Repeated the prior steps for each section of plywood
- Used a circular saw to cut the 2' sections into 1' sections
- Used a 1.25" hole saw bit to cut holes in the sides to make the planks
easy to pull up and easy to carry
- Used a sander with rough sandpaper to round off the edges (a router would
have been preferable)
- Used a sander with medium grit sandpaper to go over the wood
- Applied Minwax pre-stain conditioner
- Applied 2 coats of Minwax Polyshades 1 step stain and polyurethane (went
over first coat with fine steel wool before applying second coat)

These planks can fit aft in the cabin under my tool box, or I may try
stowing them under cushions in the cabin.  I might only put them in the boat
for times when I'm going to stay the night.

Lesson learned: I should have checked to make sure I had the wood grain
facing the same way on the different plywood sheets before making the cuts
and drilling the holes.  After applying the varnish, the difference is quite
noticeable.

While my wife and I can probably squeeze into the main berth, if I anchor
out with a friend then one of us may sleep in the cockpit if the weather is
nice.  I'm planning on getting a big mosquito net to go over the bimini or a
tarp that I use for a boom tent.  I think I could tuck in the mosquito net
under cockpit cushions.  For cockpit sleeping I'll probably just use a
therm-a-rest backpacking mattress.  I'll post photos in the summer once I've
got the whole setup figured out.  Of course the v-berth is another sleeping
space but that could get quite warm in the summer.   Also, getting to the
portapotty could be a challenge in the middle of the night if more than 1
person is sleeping in the cabin.  

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/FittingWithStyrofoam.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/InitialFit.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/LookingForward.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/LookingAft.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/stowed.jpg> 




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From rlowe at vt.edu  Fri Nov 22 10:28:31 2019
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 15:28:31 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cockpit filler planks for outdoor sleeping
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Jesse,
Nice job!  Couldn't find the photos, but I've seen where people used cockpit filler boards that would rest in the drains of the cockpit seating.  Be sure add a full set of cushions and send Stan an updated photo for the Rhodes 22 web site. - rob

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-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Jesse Shumaker
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 9:01 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cockpit filler planks for outdoor sleeping

A friend had some left over 3/4" plywood in 2' x 4' sections that he no longer needed so I took this opportunity to put it to use by making some planks that sit on the ledge that surrounds the cockpit just under the lip of the benches.  My friend also had some extra styrofoam board that I used to make a pattern before cutting the wood.  I happen to have some varnish available from another project so I used that too.  This was the rare project that didn't require purchases. 

I saw some past posts on this topic but didn't see any photos so here are some attached photos with a brief project recap in case anyone else is thinking about doing this.

Steps:
- Used styrofoam board to lay across the cockpit and electrical tape to mark where I thought the edge was. 
- Cut the styrofoam, erring to go a bit wide and then trim down
- Test the fit of the styroam piece and trim as needed
- Use the styrofoam to trace onto the plywood
- Use a jig saw to cut the plywood
- Repeated the prior steps for each section of plywood
- Used a circular saw to cut the 2' sections into 1' sections
- Used a 1.25" hole saw bit to cut holes in the sides to make the planks easy to pull up and easy to carry
- Used a sander with rough sandpaper to round off the edges (a router would have been preferable)
- Used a sander with medium grit sandpaper to go over the wood
- Applied Minwax pre-stain conditioner
- Applied 2 coats of Minwax Polyshades 1 step stain and polyurethane (went over first coat with fine steel wool before applying second coat)

These planks can fit aft in the cabin under my tool box, or I may try stowing them under cushions in the cabin.  I might only put them in the boat for times when I'm going to stay the night.

Lesson learned: I should have checked to make sure I had the wood grain facing the same way on the different plywood sheets before making the cuts and drilling the holes.  After applying the varnish, the difference is quite noticeable.

While my wife and I can probably squeeze into the main berth, if I anchor out with a friend then one of us may sleep in the cockpit if the weather is nice.  I'm planning on getting a big mosquito net to go over the bimini or a tarp that I use for a boom tent.  I think I could tuck in the mosquito net under cockpit cushions.  For cockpit sleeping I'll probably just use a therm-a-rest backpacking mattress.  I'll post photos in the summer once I've got the whole setup figured out.  Of course the v-berth is another sleeping
space but that could get quite warm in the summer.   Also, getting to the
portapotty could be a challenge in the middle of the night if more than 1 person is sleeping in the cabin.  

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/FittingWithStyrofoam.jpg>
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/InitialFit.jpg>
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/LookingForward.jpg>
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/LookingAft.jpg>
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/stowed.jpg> 




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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Fri Nov 22 20:51:56 2019
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 18:51:56 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cockpit filler planks for outdoor sleeping
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That looks like a comfy bed with all the cushions!



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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Fri Nov 22 21:00:10 2019
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 19:00:10 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cockpit filler planks for outdoor sleeping
In-Reply-To: <018901d5a0f6$374c8ba0$a5e5a2e0$@ca>
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Hi Graham, the ledge that the boards sit on was on the boat when I got it and
I think it was already on the boat when the prior owner purchased it as a
refurb from GB in 2013.  The boat was original built in 1991.

I attached a photo from this summer showing the ledge just below the benches
(and the top front of the lazarette) that the cockpit filler boards sit on. 
I'm traveling now so I'll be away from the boat for awhile.  When I get back
I'll try to get some photos showing another view.  Hopefully that will
illustrate how these pieces are attached.  I assume they are screwed in.

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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat Nov 23 10:59:48 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 09:59:48 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cockpit filler planks for outdoor sleeping
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We used the cockpit inserts a lot in the Sea of Cortez in Mexico, not so
much in Canada (too cold).  We still have the cushions and boards stowed
under the cockpit seats against the hull.  We haven't used them a lot in
the Med. since we found ourselves in marinas a lot.  One problem I found
when we used them was that for safety considerations, we had to remove the
fuel tank and stow it in the dinghy or on a holder that hung off the ladder
on the stern of the boat.  I was concerned that if there was even a small
venting or leak that the gas fumes would be able to concentrate and there
were several possible sources of ignitions (batteries in the laz and under
the stb. seat, electrical connections and even parts of the breaker panel.
I have never heard of an actual problem or incident regarding a Rhodes and
the filler cushions, but I have seen a gas explosion on a boat up close and
personal.  For us, because we carry 13 gallons of fuel it is a bit of a
chore to move all the tanks out of the cockpit, and now that I have a large
bulkhead mounted fuel  filter under the port seat aft bulkhead, I leave the
aft most cushion and board open to circulate the air.  Perhaps I am being
too cautious here.  Any ideas or comments would be welcomed.   Attached is
a photo of our setup we had in Mexico.

Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 7:46 PM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Graham, the ledge that the boards sit on was on the boat when I got it
> and
> I think it was already on the boat when the prior owner purchased it as a
> refurb from GB in 2013.  The boat was original built in 1991.
>
> I attached a photo from this summer showing the ledge just below the
> benches
> (and the top front of the lazarette) that the cockpit filler boards sit
> on.
> I'm traveling now so I'll be away from the boat for awhile.  When I get
> back
> I'll try to get some photos showing another view.  Hopefully that will
> illustrate how these pieces are attached.  I assume they are screwed in.
>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/ledge.jpg>
>
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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Sat Nov 23 13:47:24 2019
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 12:47:24 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cockpit filler planks for outdoor sleeping
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I like your stowing option, so I think I'll do that.  Good point about the
gas tank, so I'll give that some thought.   Wow, 13 gallons should take a
Rhodes a long way!

Side note:  I have two batteries but neither is in the laz.  One is under
the settee and another is on the port side of the water tank in the v
berth.  Based on several posts that reference batteries, seems that there
is some variety in battery placement.

On Sat, Nov 23, 2019, 10:00 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> We used the cockpit inserts a lot in the Sea of Cortez in Mexico, not so
> much in Canada (too cold).  We still have the cushions and boards stowed
> under the cockpit seats against the hull.  We haven't used them a lot in
> the Med. since we found ourselves in marinas a lot.  One problem I found
> when we used them was that for safety considerations, we had to remove the
> fuel tank and stow it in the dinghy or on a holder that hung off the ladder
> on the stern of the boat.  I was concerned that if there was even a small
> venting or leak that the gas fumes would be able to concentrate and there
> were several possible sources of ignitions (batteries in the laz and under
> the stb. seat, electrical connections and even parts of the breaker panel.
> I have never heard of an actual problem or incident regarding a Rhodes and
> the filler cushions, but I have seen a gas explosion on a boat up close and
> personal.  For us, because we carry 13 gallons of fuel it is a bit of a
> chore to move all the tanks out of the cockpit, and now that I have a large
> bulkhead mounted fuel  filter under the port seat aft bulkhead, I leave the
> aft most cushion and board open to circulate the air.  Perhaps I am being
> too cautious here.  Any ideas or comments would be welcomed.   Attached is
> a photo of our setup we had in Mexico.
>
> Chris Geankoplis
> Enosis
>
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 7:46 PM Jesse Shumaker <
> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Graham, the ledge that the boards sit on was on the boat when I got it
> > and
> > I think it was already on the boat when the prior owner purchased it as a
> > refurb from GB in 2013.  The boat was original built in 1991.
> >
> > I attached a photo from this summer showing the ledge just below the
> > benches
> > (and the top front of the lazarette) that the cockpit filler boards sit
> > on.
> > I'm traveling now so I'll be away from the boat for awhile.  When I get
> > back
> > I'll try to get some photos showing another view.  Hopefully that will
> > illustrate how these pieces are attached.  I assume they are screwed in.
> >
> > <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/ledge.jpg>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >
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From a_czerwonky at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 23 14:32:11 2019
From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 19:32:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cockpit filler planks for outdoor sleepi
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Jesse - Mine has aft stowage in the laz, although a more forward location favors better weight distribution.Art

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 1:47 PM, Jesse Shumaker<jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:   I like your stowing option, so I think I'll do that.? Good point about the
gas tank, so I'll give that some thought.? Wow, 13 gallons should take a
Rhodes a long way!

Side note:? I have two batteries but neither is in the laz.? One is under
the settee and another is on the port side of the water tank in the v
berth.? Based on several posts that reference batteries, seems that there
is some variety in battery placement.

On Sat, Nov 23, 2019, 10:00 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> We used the cockpit inserts a lot in the Sea of Cortez in Mexico, not so
> much in Canada (too cold).? We still have the cushions and boards stowed
> under the cockpit seats against the hull.? We haven't used them a lot in
> the Med. since we found ourselves in marinas a lot.? One problem I found
> when we used them was that for safety considerations, we had to remove the
> fuel tank and stow it in the dinghy or on a holder that hung off the ladder
> on the stern of the boat.? I was concerned that if there was even a small
> venting or leak that the gas fumes would be able to concentrate and there
> were several possible sources of ignitions (batteries in the laz and under
> the stb. seat, electrical connections and even parts of the breaker panel.
> I have never heard of an actual problem or incident regarding a Rhodes and
> the filler cushions, but I have seen a gas explosion on a boat up close and
> personal.? For us, because we carry 13 gallons of fuel it is a bit of a
> chore to move all the tanks out of the cockpit, and now that I have a large
> bulkhead mounted fuel? filter under the port seat aft bulkhead, I leave the
> aft most cushion and board open to circulate the air.? Perhaps I am being
> too cautious here.? Any ideas or comments would be welcomed.? Attached is
> a photo of our setup we had in Mexico.
>
> Chris Geankoplis
> Enosis
>
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 7:46 PM Jesse Shumaker <
> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Graham, the ledge that the boards sit on was on the boat when I got it
> > and
> > I think it was already on the boat when the prior owner purchased it as a
> > refurb from GB in 2013.? The boat was original built in 1991.
> >
> > I attached a photo from this summer showing the ledge just below the
> > benches
> > (and the top front of the lazarette) that the cockpit filler boards sit
> > on.
> > I'm traveling now so I'll be away from the boat for awhile.? When I get
> > back
> > I'll try to get some photos showing another view.? Hopefully that will
> > illustrate how these pieces are attached.? I assume they are screwed in.
> >
> > <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/ledge.jpg>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sun Nov 24 15:07:43 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 14:07:43 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cockpit filler planks for outdoor sleeping
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Hey Jesse,
13 gallons is a lot, but when we are cruising there can be longer stretches
of coast without fuel or we avoid marinas as long as we can.  When I had
the boat on a lake up in the Cascades of Southern Oregon I doubt I used a
gallon or two the whole summer.  The lake was a bit smaller than the Med
however (grin).  Battery placement; all over the place.  Well dream about
the coming summer and sleeping out under the stars while watching the
Perseid Meteor showers.

Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 12:47 PM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> I like your stowing option, so I think I'll do that.  Good point about the
> gas tank, so I'll give that some thought.   Wow, 13 gallons should take a
> Rhodes a long way!
>
> Side note:  I have two batteries but neither is in the laz.  One is under
> the settee and another is on the port side of the water tank in the v
> berth.  Based on several posts that reference batteries, seems that there
> is some variety in battery placement.
>
> On Sat, Nov 23, 2019, 10:00 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > We used the cockpit inserts a lot in the Sea of Cortez in Mexico, not so
> > much in Canada (too cold).  We still have the cushions and boards stowed
> > under the cockpit seats against the hull.  We haven't used them a lot in
> > the Med. since we found ourselves in marinas a lot.  One problem I found
> > when we used them was that for safety considerations, we had to remove
> the
> > fuel tank and stow it in the dinghy or on a holder that hung off the
> ladder
> > on the stern of the boat.  I was concerned that if there was even a small
> > venting or leak that the gas fumes would be able to concentrate and there
> > were several possible sources of ignitions (batteries in the laz and
> under
> > the stb. seat, electrical connections and even parts of the breaker
> panel.
> > I have never heard of an actual problem or incident regarding a Rhodes
> and
> > the filler cushions, but I have seen a gas explosion on a boat up close
> and
> > personal.  For us, because we carry 13 gallons of fuel it is a bit of a
> > chore to move all the tanks out of the cockpit, and now that I have a
> large
> > bulkhead mounted fuel  filter under the port seat aft bulkhead, I leave
> the
> > aft most cushion and board open to circulate the air.  Perhaps I am being
> > too cautious here.  Any ideas or comments would be welcomed.   Attached
> is
> > a photo of our setup we had in Mexico.
> >
> > Chris Geankoplis
> > Enosis
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 7:46 PM Jesse Shumaker <
> > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Graham, the ledge that the boards sit on was on the boat when I got
> it
> > > and
> > > I think it was already on the boat when the prior owner purchased it
> as a
> > > refurb from GB in 2013.  The boat was original built in 1991.
> > >
> > > I attached a photo from this summer showing the ledge just below the
> > > benches
> > > (and the top front of the lazarette) that the cockpit filler boards sit
> > > on.
> > > I'm traveling now so I'll be away from the boat for awhile.  When I get
> > > back
> > > I'll try to get some photos showing another view.  Hopefully that will
> > > illustrate how these pieces are attached.  I assume they are screwed
> in.
> > >
> > > <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/ledge.jpg>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
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From allynb at adsne.com  Sun Nov 24 16:55:25 2019
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 21:55:25 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Problem with tube to centerboard cap - unsure
 what	to do
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Thanks, folks. I saw the responses with the through hulls, but I elected to try trimming the area that was too large and reducing to the same size as the lower one. I figured if that didn?t work I?d do the through hulls. It seemed to work fine. I have almost everything put back together. Woo hoo. I?m excited. We?re going to try to have our thanksgiving meal on it. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 20, 2019, at 12:40 PM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Allen can you sand down the smaller tube wrap a layer or two of fiberglass around it to equal diameter of larger     Mark
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tue, Nov 19, 2019 6:59 pm
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Problem with tube to centerboard cap - unsure what to do
> 
> As you all can tell with my posts, I'm new to sailing, and I really, really want to get this boat in the water. I've had the inside torn apart for 2-3 weeks, and I'm held up by the tube to the centerboard cap. I've spent multiple evenings trying to get the tube in place that the line to the centerboard goes through. The problem is that the size of the hole in the centerboard cap is 1-1/8" and the outside diameter of the hole in the outlet that goes up to the cockpit is slightly larger than 1-1/4". I believe that is why the previous owner had one tube inside the other, but it leaked pretty badly. I purchased various sizes and types of tubes, I've heated them with boiling water as well as a hot air gun for heat shrink tubing. The problem is, whatever tubing I can get around the upper hole is too loose for the connection at the centerboard cap. I've included a link for the fiberglass on the upper end the tube connects to, and there are lots of gaps in the fiberglass layers. I presume this is why I'm having the problem. I'm literally at my wits end, and I'm contemplating using a Dremel tool and cutting off the upper connection and installing a through hull fitting. However, given how the through hull won't be resting against a flat surface, I'm hesitant about doing this. I'm not sure how well caulk filling in the void will work. Can anyone offer a solution?
> 
> https://1drv.ms/u/s!ApL2Pe-LKYIig0lr50d4ejULV_Rl?e=ea6tVz
> 
> Thank you very much!

From allynb at adsne.com  Sun Nov 24 17:03:19 2019
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 22:03:19 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unsure of plastic part above cabin
Message-ID: <08767090-CF8C-4B86-B1E1-4592A6550E98@adsne.com>

I may have to resend the post. Picture is attached but may be stripped. The bolts for this hit the triangular plywood piece that appears to be a guide for plastic V birth door. The triangular plywood piece was dangling when I purchased the boat, so consequently the door was loose. Water has been leaking around the bolts, but the piece does not look original to the boat. I?d like to remove it, but I need to know what it is first. Is it safe to remove? Thanks

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From alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com  Sun Nov 24 17:24:21 2019
From: alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com (Alexis Seigneurin)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 22:24:21 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unsure of plastic part above cabin
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I think this is where the pole of the winch gets attached to raise or lower the mast. If you have the winch, you should keep this part.

Alexis


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From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 5:03 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unsure of plastic part above cabin

I may have to resend the post. Picture is attached but may be stripped. The bolts for this hit the triangular plywood piece that appears to be a guide for plastic V birth door. The triangular plywood piece was dangling when I purchased the boat, so consequently the door was loose. Water has been leaking around the bolts, but the piece does not look original to the boat. I?d like to remove it, but I need to know what it is first. Is it safe to remove? Thanks

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From alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com  Sun Nov 24 17:33:58 2019
From: alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com (Alexis Seigneurin)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 22:33:58 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unsure of plastic part above cabin
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR07MB4378058B47E23D5DA5D8AE1AA64B0@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
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Allyn,

I am attaching a picture of the winch. You can see how it is connected to the cabin. There are two bolts that go in the plastic part you were showing.

Alexis

[Image]
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From: Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 5:24 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List; The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: Unsure of plastic part above cabin

I think this is where the pole of the winch gets attached to raise or lower the mast. If you have the winch, you should keep this part.

Alexis


________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 5:03 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unsure of plastic part above cabin

I may have to resend the post. Picture is attached but may be stripped. The bolts for this hit the triangular plywood piece that appears to be a guide for plastic V birth door. The triangular plywood piece was dangling when I purchased the boat, so consequently the door was loose. Water has been leaking around the bolts, but the piece does not look original to the boat. I?d like to remove it, but I need to know what it is first. Is it safe to remove? Thanks

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From morrisix at comcast.net  Sun Nov 24 18:36:08 2019
From: morrisix at comcast.net (Bill)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 16:36:08 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unsure of plastic part above cabin
In-Reply-To: <08767090-CF8C-4B86-B1E1-4592A6550E98@adsne.com>
References: <08767090-CF8C-4B86-B1E1-4592A6550E98@adsne.com>
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Yes, I agree. That is the block that the mast wench 
Attaches to.



--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sun Nov 24 19:29:30 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 18:29:30 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unsure of plastic part above cabin
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References: <08767090-CF8C-4B86-B1E1-4592A6550E98@adsne.com>
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Odd that it appears to be thru bolted, yes?
Chris Geankoplis
e
Enosis

On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 4:03 PM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:

> I may have to resend the post. Picture is attached but may be stripped.
> The bolts for this hit the triangular plywood piece that appears to be a
> guide for plastic V birth door. The triangular plywood piece was dangling
> when I purchased the boat, so consequently the door was loose. Water has
> been leaking around the bolts, but the piece does not look original to the
> boat. I?d like to remove it, but I need to know what it is first. Is it
> safe to remove? Thanks
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sun Nov 24 21:01:43 2019
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 21:01:43 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unsure of plastic part above cabin
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiW__GgWm6vVhDEPC3d1GNA5_tHoLtMpgFWz-XBM8M=48A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <08767090-CF8C-4B86-B1E1-4592A6550E98@adsne.com>
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Message-ID: <4329A964-B8B1-48AE-8B71-193616D760B5@sunnybeeches.com>

Yes.  General Boats would have used screws.  It seems likely the screws failed at some point for some reason and a previous owner decided to use bolts instead.  One possible reason for the failure is that a mast crutch wasn?t being used, and someone was attempting to lower the mast to horizontal.  

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)


> On Nov 24, 2019, at 7:29 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Odd that it appears to be thru bolted, yes?
> Chris Geankoplis
> e
> Enosis


From stan at generalboats.com  Mon Nov 25 09:07:24 2019
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 09:07:24 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] GB's policy change
Message-ID: <f8e29d82-0274-710c-320c-61a87876bf9e@generalboats.com>


sorry for delay, got a tiger by a hair of its tail and need partnering.

http://www.usedrhodes.com/certificate.html

stan

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 25 10:52:54 2019
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 10:52:54 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unsure of plastic part above cabin
In-Reply-To: <08767090-CF8C-4B86-B1E1-4592A6550E98@adsne.com>
References: <08767090-CF8C-4B86-B1E1-4592A6550E98@adsne.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMOkjS9nsONHZgJ4B-B05Ejq2YOupWJsbaRF08G_vTkcuA@mail.gmail.com>

Allyn,

That is pictured in a few of the many pictures I sent to you. It is where
the mast raising "gin pole" mounts to the foredeck.

tavares0947 at gmail.com

On Sun, Nov 24, 2019, 5:03 PM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:

> I may have to resend the post. Picture is attached but may be stripped.
> The bolts for this hit the triangular plywood piece that appears to be a
> guide for plastic V birth door. The triangular plywood piece was dangling
> when I purchased the boat, so consequently the door was loose. Water has
> been leaking around the bolts, but the piece does not look original to the
> boat. I?d like to remove it, but I need to know what it is first. Is it
> safe to remove? Thanks
>
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From allynb at adsne.com  Mon Nov 25 13:47:10 2019
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 18:47:10 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unsure of plastic part above cabin
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiW__GgWm6vVhDEPC3d1GNA5_tHoLtMpgFWz-XBM8M=48A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <08767090-CF8C-4B86-B1E1-4592A6550E98@adsne.com>,
 <CADNTwiW__GgWm6vVhDEPC3d1GNA5_tHoLtMpgFWz-XBM8M=48A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA085854-8218-46B8-BADA-3C46F11ECA6E@adsne.com>

Thanks for the responses. It is through bolted - bolts are 5? long and extend well into the cockpit. There was a large block of wood in the cabin these bolts go through. 

The seller didn?t include the winch or gum pole, but I would like to eventually track these down. 

Take care

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 24, 2019, at 6:29 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Odd that it appears to be thru bolted, yes?
> Chris Geankoplis
> e
> Enosis
> 
>> On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 4:03 PM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I may have to resend the post. Picture is attached but may be stripped.
>> The bolts for this hit the triangular plywood piece that appears to be a
>> guide for plastic V birth door. The triangular plywood piece was dangling
>> when I purchased the boat, so consequently the door was loose. Water has
>> been leaking around the bolts, but the piece does not look original to the
>> boat. I?d like to remove it, but I need to know what it is first. Is it
>> safe to remove? Thanks
>> 
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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Mon Nov 25 14:57:17 2019
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 14:57:17 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unsure of plastic part above cabin
In-Reply-To: <CA085854-8218-46B8-BADA-3C46F11ECA6E@adsne.com>
References: <08767090-CF8C-4B86-B1E1-4592A6550E98@adsne.com>
 <CADNTwiW__GgWm6vVhDEPC3d1GNA5_tHoLtMpgFWz-XBM8M=48A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA085854-8218-46B8-BADA-3C46F11ECA6E@adsne.com>
Message-ID: <CABkv36YOG3hMxi99Cs3XLjkT0dhbGcVMKOYX87uRw24LJ-EbFw@mail.gmail.com>

Allyn,

To moderate damage, this block should be tear-out mounted like the mast
step.  You should remount the block using 2" machine screws and 3M 4200
adhesive.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 1:47 PM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the responses. It is through bolted - bolts are 5? long and
> extend well into the cockpit. There was a large block of wood in the cabin
> these bolts go through.
>
> The seller didn?t include the winch or gum pole, but I would like to
> eventually track these down.
>
> Take care
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 24, 2019, at 6:29 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Odd that it appears to be thru bolted, yes?
> > Chris Geankoplis
> > e
> > Enosis
> >
> >> On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 4:03 PM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I may have to resend the post. Picture is attached but may be stripped.
> >> The bolts for this hit the triangular plywood piece that appears to be a
> >> guide for plastic V birth door. The triangular plywood piece was
> dangling
> >> when I purchased the boat, so consequently the door was loose. Water has
> >> been leaking around the bolts, but the piece does not look original to
> the
> >> boat. I?d like to remove it, but I need to know what it is first. Is it
> >> safe to remove? Thanks
> >>
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From allynb at adsne.com  Mon Nov 25 15:44:55 2019
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 20:44:55 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unsure of plastic part above cabin
In-Reply-To: <CABkv36YOG3hMxi99Cs3XLjkT0dhbGcVMKOYX87uRw24LJ-EbFw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <08767090-CF8C-4B86-B1E1-4592A6550E98@adsne.com>
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Thanks, Rick. I'll do this.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Rick Lange
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 1:57 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Unsure of plastic part above cabin

Allyn,

To moderate damage, this block should be tear-out mounted like the mast step.  You should remount the block using 2" machine screws and 3M 4200 adhesive.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 1:47 PM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the responses. It is through bolted - bolts are 5? long and 
> extend well into the cockpit. There was a large block of wood in the 
> cabin these bolts go through.
>
> The seller didn?t include the winch or gum pole, but I would like to 
> eventually track these down.
>
> Take care
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 24, 2019, at 6:29 PM, Chris Geankoplis 
> > <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Odd that it appears to be thru bolted, yes?
> > Chris Geankoplis
> > e
> > Enosis
> >
> >> On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 4:03 PM Allyn Baskerville 
> >> <allynb at adsne.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I may have to resend the post. Picture is attached but may be stripped.
> >> The bolts for this hit the triangular plywood piece that appears to 
> >> be a guide for plastic V birth door. The triangular plywood piece 
> >> was
> dangling
> >> when I purchased the boat, so consequently the door was loose. 
> >> Water has been leaking around the bolts, but the piece does not 
> >> look original to
> the
> >> boat. I?d like to remove it, but I need to know what it is first. 
> >> Is it safe to remove? Thanks
> >>
> >> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was 
> >> scrubbed...
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Mon Nov 25 15:53:56 2019
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 20:53:56 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unsure of plastic part above cabin
In-Reply-To: <SN6PR19MB2381EA5E10BC538A0031701CDC4A0@SN6PR19MB2381.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <08767090-CF8C-4B86-B1E1-4592A6550E98@adsne.com>
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 <CA085854-8218-46B8-BADA-3C46F11ECA6E@adsne.com>
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Not bad advice.  While the block should not be subject to pull out forces, one never knows. - rob

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Allyn Baskerville
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 3:45 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Unsure of plastic part above cabin

Thanks, Rick. I'll do this.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Rick Lange
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 1:57 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Unsure of plastic part above cabin

Allyn,

To moderate damage, this block should be tear-out mounted like the mast step.  You should remount the block using 2" machine screws and 3M 4200 adhesive.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 1:47 PM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the responses. It is through bolted - bolts are 5? long and 
> extend well into the cockpit. There was a large block of wood in the 
> cabin these bolts go through.
>
> The seller didn?t include the winch or gum pole, but I would like to 
> eventually track these down.
>
> Take care
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 24, 2019, at 6:29 PM, Chris Geankoplis 
> > <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Odd that it appears to be thru bolted, yes?
> > Chris Geankoplis
> > e
> > Enosis
> >
> >> On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 4:03 PM Allyn Baskerville 
> >> <allynb at adsne.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I may have to resend the post. Picture is attached but may be stripped.
> >> The bolts for this hit the triangular plywood piece that appears to 
> >> be a guide for plastic V birth door. The triangular plywood piece 
> >> was
> dangling
> >> when I purchased the boat, so consequently the door was loose. 
> >> Water has been leaking around the bolts, but the piece does not 
> >> look original to
> the
> >> boat. I?d like to remove it, but I need to know what it is first. 
> >> Is it safe to remove? Thanks
> >>
> >> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was 
> >> scrubbed...
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From allynb at adsne.com  Mon Nov 25 16:21:32 2019
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 21:21:32 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unsure of plastic part above cabin
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR05MB6938EE9F63DD64660D1E66C4C14A0@DM6PR05MB6938.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <08767090-CF8C-4B86-B1E1-4592A6550E98@adsne.com>
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I did notice cracks around both holes. I agree with Peter that the mast crutch wasn't used. When I purchased the boat, the mast was tied to the stern and bow rails. I've seen pictures with the mast propped up with the mast crutch during transportation, but I'm not sure if this is the norm. 

The person who had this Rhodes before me donated it to a ministry, and I purchased it through the ministry. They are going to ask the original owner if he has the gin pole and winch. I presume these aren't too hard to obtain?

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 2:54 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Unsure of plastic part above cabin

Not bad advice.  While the block should not be subject to pull out forces, one never knows. - rob

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Allyn Baskerville
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 3:45 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Unsure of plastic part above cabin

Thanks, Rick. I'll do this.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Rick Lange
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 1:57 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Unsure of plastic part above cabin

Allyn,

To moderate damage, this block should be tear-out mounted like the mast step.  You should remount the block using 2" machine screws and 3M 4200 adhesive.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 1:47 PM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the responses. It is through bolted - bolts are 5? long and 
> extend well into the cockpit. There was a large block of wood in the 
> cabin these bolts go through.
>
> The seller didn?t include the winch or gum pole, but I would like to 
> eventually track these down.
>
> Take care
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 24, 2019, at 6:29 PM, Chris Geankoplis 
> > <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Odd that it appears to be thru bolted, yes?
> > Chris Geankoplis
> > e
> > Enosis
> >
> >> On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 4:03 PM Allyn Baskerville 
> >> <allynb at adsne.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I may have to resend the post. Picture is attached but may be stripped.
> >> The bolts for this hit the triangular plywood piece that appears to 
> >> be a guide for plastic V birth door. The triangular plywood piece 
> >> was
> dangling
> >> when I purchased the boat, so consequently the door was loose. 
> >> Water has been leaking around the bolts, but the piece does not 
> >> look original to
> the
> >> boat. I?d like to remove it, but I need to know what it is first. 
> >> Is it safe to remove? Thanks
> >>
> >> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was 
> >> scrubbed...
> >> Name: IMG_0967.jpg
> >> Type: image/jpeg
> >> Size: 60450 bytes
> >> Desc: IMG_0967.jpg
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Mon Nov 25 16:33:32 2019
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 16:33:32 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Unsure of plastic part above cabin
In-Reply-To: <SN6PR19MB2381D000E395ED3368043666DC4A0@SN6PR19MB2381.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <08767090-CF8C-4B86-B1E1-4592A6550E98@adsne.com>
 <CADNTwiW__GgWm6vVhDEPC3d1GNA5_tHoLtMpgFWz-XBM8M=48A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA085854-8218-46B8-BADA-3C46F11ECA6E@adsne.com>
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Message-ID: <02C9B649-957C-4CA8-B2B0-20662211EC62@sunnybeeches.com>

Allyn,

Yes, leaving the mast in the crutch during transportation is the norm.  

?Peter

> On Nov 25, 2019, at 4:21 PM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
> 
> I did notice cracks around both holes. I agree with Peter that the mast crutch wasn't used. When I purchased the boat, the mast was tied to the stern and bow rails. I've seen pictures with the mast propped up with the mast crutch during transportation, but I'm not sure if this is the norm. 
> 


From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Tue Nov 26 00:43:04 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 23:43:04 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] GB's policy change
In-Reply-To: <f8e29d82-0274-710c-320c-61a87876bf9e@generalboats.com>
References: <f8e29d82-0274-710c-320c-61a87876bf9e@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiWQyw3xfjch1P8aynVD9D4Y0y3CFnSQF-XHniwjt6LMpw@mail.gmail.com>

A home run Stan.  Articulate as ever.  Thanks, and move me over from COS to
ROC!
Chris Geankoplis
ENOSIS

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 8:07 AM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:

>
> sorry for delay, got a tiger by a hair of its tail and need partnering.
>
> http://www.usedrhodes.com/certificate.html
>
> stan
>

From rodellner at mac.com  Tue Nov 26 00:11:48 2019
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 23:11:48 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cockpit filler planks for outdoor sleeping
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiXhAHjxDZ3MmApHYTR5b5-X=tJTM=M9HjbGDjBXtWxKRQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiXhAHjxDZ3MmApHYTR5b5-X=tJTM=M9HjbGDjBXtWxKRQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D3916801-3543-4415-B8A9-C94A26ECFC4E@mac.com>

Chris 

Ironic that you should mention the Perseid meteor showers....they?re our anniversary fireworks ()

Mary/Rod 
WI. St Croix River

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 24, 2019, at 2:07 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hey Jesse,
> 13 gallons is a lot, but when we are cruising there can be longer stretches
> of coast without fuel or we avoid marinas as long as we can.  When I had
> the boat on a lake up in the Cascades of Southern Oregon I doubt I used a
> gallon or two the whole summer.  The lake was a bit smaller than the Med
> however (grin).  Battery placement; all over the place.  Well dream about
> the coming summer and sleeping out under the stars while watching the
> Perseid Meteor showers.
> 
> Chris Geankoplis
> Enosis
> 
>> On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 12:47 PM Jesse Shumaker <
>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I like your stowing option, so I think I'll do that.  Good point about the
>> gas tank, so I'll give that some thought.   Wow, 13 gallons should take a
>> Rhodes a long way!
>> 
>> Side note:  I have two batteries but neither is in the laz.  One is under
>> the settee and another is on the port side of the water tank in the v
>> berth.  Based on several posts that reference batteries, seems that there
>> is some variety in battery placement.
>> 
>> On Sat, Nov 23, 2019, 10:00 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com
>>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> We used the cockpit inserts a lot in the Sea of Cortez in Mexico, not so
>>> much in Canada (too cold).  We still have the cushions and boards stowed
>>> under the cockpit seats against the hull.  We haven't used them a lot in
>>> the Med. since we found ourselves in marinas a lot.  One problem I found
>>> when we used them was that for safety considerations, we had to remove
>> the
>>> fuel tank and stow it in the dinghy or on a holder that hung off the
>> ladder
>>> on the stern of the boat.  I was concerned that if there was even a small
>>> venting or leak that the gas fumes would be able to concentrate and there
>>> were several possible sources of ignitions (batteries in the laz and
>> under
>>> the stb. seat, electrical connections and even parts of the breaker
>> panel.
>>> I have never heard of an actual problem or incident regarding a Rhodes
>> and
>>> the filler cushions, but I have seen a gas explosion on a boat up close
>> and
>>> personal.  For us, because we carry 13 gallons of fuel it is a bit of a
>>> chore to move all the tanks out of the cockpit, and now that I have a
>> large
>>> bulkhead mounted fuel  filter under the port seat aft bulkhead, I leave
>> the
>>> aft most cushion and board open to circulate the air.  Perhaps I am being
>>> too cautious here.  Any ideas or comments would be welcomed.   Attached
>> is
>>> a photo of our setup we had in Mexico.
>>> 
>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>> Enosis
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 7:46 PM Jesse Shumaker <
>>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Graham, the ledge that the boards sit on was on the boat when I got
>> it
>>>> and
>>>> I think it was already on the boat when the prior owner purchased it
>> as a
>>>> refurb from GB in 2013.  The boat was original built in 1991.
>>>> 
>>>> I attached a photo from this summer showing the ledge just below the
>>>> benches
>>>> (and the top front of the lazarette) that the cockpit filler boards sit
>>>> on.
>>>> I'm traveling now so I'll be away from the boat for awhile.  When I get
>>>> back
>>>> I'll try to get some photos showing another view.  Hopefully that will
>>>> illustrate how these pieces are attached.  I assume they are screwed
>> in.
>>>> 
>>>> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/ledge.jpg>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>>>> 
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>>> 
>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20191123/74098c6d/attachment.jpg
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 


From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 26 06:32:21 2019
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 06:32:21 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] GB's policy change
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiWQyw3xfjch1P8aynVD9D4Y0y3CFnSQF-XHniwjt6LMpw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f8e29d82-0274-710c-320c-61a87876bf9e@generalboats.com>
 <CADNTwiWQyw3xfjch1P8aynVD9D4Y0y3CFnSQF-XHniwjt6LMpw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMO9jPM9pnMwr_dM2g3QBhY7apNx46ha7QWdqH1xn2tYPg@mail.gmail.com>

I see Stan put a minimum dollar amount for participation in this newest
program.  I guess that was to specifically disqualify me. The Todd
exclusion clause...lol (laughing out loud)

Todd T.

tavares0947 at gmail.com

On Tue, Nov 26, 2019, 12:43 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> A home run Stan.  Articulate as ever.  Thanks, and move me over from COS to
> ROC!
> Chris Geankoplis
> ENOSIS
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 8:07 AM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > sorry for delay, got a tiger by a hair of its tail and need partnering.
> >
> > http://www.usedrhodes.com/certificate.html
> >
> > stan
> >
>

From stan at generalboats.com  Tue Nov 26 09:05:58 2019
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 09:05:58 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] GB's policy change
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMO9jPM9pnMwr_dM2g3QBhY7apNx46ha7QWdqH1xn2tYPg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f8e29d82-0274-710c-320c-61a87876bf9e@generalboats.com>
 <CADNTwiWQyw3xfjch1P8aynVD9D4Y0y3CFnSQF-XHniwjt6LMpw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <c44c36ee-05e2-e771-d3de-330fc9daf09d@generalboats.com>


Todd,

You know I am a bleeding heart liberal from Brooklyn; by default you 
were the first honorary member to be enlisted in ROC.? What do you need?

stan

On 11/26/19 6:32 AM, Todd Tavares wrote:
> I see Stan put a minimum dollar amount for participation in this newest
> program.  I guess that was to specifically disqualify me. The Todd
> exclusion clause...lol (laughing out loud)
>
> Todd T.
>
> tavares0947 at gmail.com
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019, 12:43 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> A home run Stan.  Articulate as ever.  Thanks, and move me over from COS to
>> ROC!
>> Chris Geankoplis
>> ENOSIS
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 8:07 AM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>>
>>> sorry for delay, got a tiger by a hair of its tail and need partnering.
>>>
>>> http://www.usedrhodes.com/certificate.html
>>>
>>> stan
>>>
>


From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 26 10:25:16 2019
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 10:25:16 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] GB's policy change
In-Reply-To: <c44c36ee-05e2-e771-d3de-330fc9daf09d@generalboats.com>
References: <f8e29d82-0274-710c-320c-61a87876bf9e@generalboats.com>
 <CADNTwiWQyw3xfjch1P8aynVD9D4Y0y3CFnSQF-XHniwjt6LMpw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAB-twMO9jPM9pnMwr_dM2g3QBhY7apNx46ha7QWdqH1xn2tYPg@mail.gmail.com>
 <c44c36ee-05e2-e771-d3de-330fc9daf09d@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMOMfEUws+2-ZyThpsOcszcHg9KmXNH_Y7dVkM2=F546kg@mail.gmail.com>

Nothing...

I'm just (how do you say it in Brooklyn?) bustin' your b... chops.

tavares0947 at gmail.com

On Tue, Nov 26, 2019, 9:06 AM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:

>
> Todd,
>
> You know I am a bleeding heart liberal from Brooklyn; by default you
> were the first honorary member to be enlisted in ROC.  What do you need?
>
> stan
>
> On 11/26/19 6:32 AM, Todd Tavares wrote:
> > I see Stan put a minimum dollar amount for participation in this newest
> > program.  I guess that was to specifically disqualify me. The Todd
> > exclusion clause...lol (laughing out loud)
> >
> > Todd T.
> >
> > tavares0947 at gmail.com
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 26, 2019, 12:43 AM Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> A home run Stan.  Articulate as ever.  Thanks, and move me over from
> COS to
> >> ROC!
> >> Chris Geankoplis
> >> ENOSIS
> >>
> >> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 8:07 AM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> sorry for delay, got a tiger by a hair of its tail and need partnering.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.usedrhodes.com/certificate.html
> >>>
> >>> stan
> >>>
> >
>
>

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Tue Nov 26 10:55:28 2019
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 10:55:28 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cockpit filler planks for outdoor sleeping
In-Reply-To: <1574474410473-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1574388039532-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <018901d5a0f6$374c8ba0$a5e5a2e0$@ca> <1574474410473-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <026b01d5a471$ee20bbc0$ca623340$@ca>

Thanks Jesse: It looks to me like the ledge was added by a previous owner. I
don't have it on my boat.
Graham

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Jesse Shumaker
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 9:00 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cockpit filler planks for outdoor sleeping

Hi Graham, the ledge that the boards sit on was on the boat when I got it
and
I think it was already on the boat when the prior owner purchased it as a
refurb from GB in 2013.  The boat was original built in 1991.

I attached a photo from this summer showing the ledge just below the benches
(and the top front of the lazarette) that the cockpit filler boards sit on. 
I'm traveling now so I'll be away from the boat for awhile.  When I get back
I'll try to get some photos showing another view.  Hopefully that will
illustrate how these pieces are attached.  I assume they are screwed in.

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/ledge.jpg> 




--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/


From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Tue Nov 26 10:57:42 2019
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 15:57:42 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailering With/Without The Mast Crutch?
In-Reply-To: <02C9B649-957C-4CA8-B2B0-20662211EC62@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <08767090-CF8C-4B86-B1E1-4592A6550E98@adsne.com>
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Allyn,

The mast was not designed to be unsupported for ~22 ft, the distance between the bow and stern pulpits.  Think of the mast as a spring.  Left unsupported, the mast will vibrate as the trailer goes down the road.  If you add in the mast crutch, the unsupported distance is cut by ~1/2.  This increases the resonant frequency of the spring outside the range that will be encountered on the road.  While the mast will not fail immediately due to this over the road vibration, every cycle is adding to total fatigue cycles.  The vibration on the trailer is much higher frequency vs when the mast is stepped on the water.  This means the fatigue cycles add up pretty fast on the trailer.  A 100 miles at expressway speed with the center of the mast unsupported probably racks up the fatigue cycle equivalent of several years of use on the water.  You are definitely shortening the life of your mast if you trailer without the mast crutch supporting the center.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Peter Nyberg<mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 4:33 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Unsure of plastic part above cabin

Allyn,

Yes, leaving the mast in the crutch during transportation is the norm.

?Peter

> On Nov 25, 2019, at 4:21 PM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>
> I did notice cracks around both holes. I agree with Peter that the mast crutch wasn't used. When I purchased the boat, the mast was tied to the stern and bow rails. I've seen pictures with the mast propped up with the mast crutch during transportation, but I'm not sure if this is the norm.
>


From dwbrad at gmail.com  Tue Nov 26 11:11:25 2019
From: dwbrad at gmail.com (David Bradley)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 11:11:25 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailering With/Without The Mast Crutch? -
 Winter Storage
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR02MB46430F3EF9C6E4909E26F44580450@BL0PR02MB4643.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <08767090-CF8C-4B86-B1E1-4592A6550E98@adsne.com>
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Message-ID: <286C018A-1B72-4078-83CD-225799F6E963@gmail.com>

Interesting explanation.  Thanks, Roger.

This winter I tried something different for protection from snow and ice.  I built a smaller crutch to bring the mast down closer to the stern rail and used webbing (2000? roll from Amazon) to create a grid to hold a tarp and prevent pooling.  So far so good.  The weight of the mast is on the bow pulpit as per normal and on the improvised crutch (two 2x4 sections) sitting on the transom as does the regular crutch.  The web strapping ties to the stern and side rails with web straps completing the side rails.

Anyone see any problems with this setup?

Thanks,

Dave B
Old Greenwich, Ct


> On Nov 26, 2019, at 10:57 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> Allyn,
> 
> The mast was not designed to be unsupported for ~22 ft, the distance between the bow and stern pulpits.  Think of the mast as a spring.  Left unsupported, the mast will vibrate as the trailer goes down the road.  If you add in the mast crutch, the unsupported distance is cut by ~1/2.  This increases the resonant frequency of the spring outside the range that will be encountered on the road.  While the mast will not fail immediately due to this over the road vibration, every cycle is adding to total fatigue cycles.  The vibration on the trailer is much higher frequency vs when the mast is stepped on the water.  This means the fatigue cycles add up pretty fast on the trailer.  A 100 miles at expressway speed with the center of the mast unsupported probably racks up the fatigue cycle equivalent of several years of use on the water.  You are definitely shortening the life of your mast if you trailer without the mast crutch supporting the center.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
> 
> From: Peter Nyberg<mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 4:33 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Unsure of plastic part above cabin
> 
> Allyn,
> 
> Yes, leaving the mast in the crutch during transportation is the norm.
> 
> ?Peter
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2019, at 4:21 PM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I did notice cracks around both holes. I agree with Peter that the mast crutch wasn't used. When I purchased the boat, the mast was tied to the stern and bow rails. I've seen pictures with the mast propped up with the mast crutch during transportation, but I'm not sure if this is the norm.
>> 
> 


From stan at generalboats.com  Tue Nov 26 11:30:03 2019
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 11:30:03 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] GB's policy change
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiWQyw3xfjch1P8aynVD9D4Y0y3CFnSQF-XHniwjt6LMpw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f8e29d82-0274-710c-320c-61a87876bf9e@generalboats.com>
 <CADNTwiWQyw3xfjch1P8aynVD9D4Y0y3CFnSQF-XHniwjt6LMpw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3e9ff033-162a-9a9a-4838-35fe21f0c1bc@generalboats.com>


As always, you make my day.

thanks

stan

On 11/26/19 12:43 AM, Chris Geankoplis wrote:
> A home run Stan.  Articulate as ever.  Thanks, and move me over from COS to
> ROC!
> Chris Geankoplis
> ENOSIS
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 8:07 AM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>
>> sorry for delay, got a tiger by a hair of its tail and need partnering.
>>
>> http://www.usedrhodes.com/certificate.html
>>
>> stan
>>
>


From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Tue Nov 26 11:36:11 2019
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 11:36:11 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailering With/Without The Mast Crutch?
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR02MB46430F3EF9C6E4909E26F44580450@BL0PR02MB4643.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <08767090-CF8C-4B86-B1E1-4592A6550E98@adsne.com>
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Roger,
The mast crutch in question is mounted to the stern rail so the distance 
is still roughly 22 ft. This is how GB always transports their boats. I 
think if you were trailering a lot you might want to consider that 
vibration but if you were only trailering short distances, it might not 
matter. Also the masts with in mast furling have additional 
strengthening from the second chamber that keeps the wiring separate 
from the furling tube.

Happy Thanksgiving to all,
Mary Lou
ex R22
now Rosborough RF-246? Tara
Rock Hall, MD

On 11/26/2019 10:57 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
> Allyn,
>
> The mast was not designed to be unsupported for ~22 ft, the distance between the bow and stern pulpits.  Think of the mast as a spring.  Left unsupported, the mast will vibrate as the trailer goes down the road.  If you add in the mast crutch, the unsupported distance is cut by ~1/2.  This increases the resonant frequency of the spring outside the range that will be encountered on the road.  While the mast will not fail immediately due to this over the road vibration, every cycle is adding to total fatigue cycles.  The vibration on the trailer is much higher frequency vs when the mast is stepped on the water.  This means the fatigue cycles add up pretty fast on the trailer.  A 100 miles at expressway speed with the center of the mast unsupported probably racks up the fatigue cycle equivalent of several years of use on the water.  You are definitely shortening the life of your mast if you trailer without the mast crutch supporting the center.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
>
> From: Peter Nyberg<mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 4:33 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Unsure of plastic part above cabin
>
> Allyn,
>
> Yes, leaving the mast in the crutch during transportation is the norm.
>
> ?Peter
>
>> On Nov 25, 2019, at 4:21 PM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>>
>> I did notice cracks around both holes. I agree with Peter that the mast crutch wasn't used. When I purchased the boat, the mast was tied to the stern and bow rails. I've seen pictures with the mast propped up with the mast crutch during transportation, but I'm not sure if this is the norm.
>>


From alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com  Tue Nov 26 11:36:32 2019
From: alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com (Alexis Seigneurin)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 16:36:32 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailering With/Without The Mast Crutch? -
 Winter Storage
In-Reply-To: <286C018A-1B72-4078-83CD-225799F6E963@gmail.com>
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On my boat, I remove the crutch and sit the mast on a support made with 2 by 6s. It?s a lot more stable, in my opinion.

See attached photo.

[Image]

Alexis


________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 11:11 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailering With/Without The Mast Crutch? - Winter Storage

Interesting explanation. Thanks, Roger.

This winter I tried something different for protection from snow and ice. I built a smaller crutch to bring the mast down closer to the stern rail and used webbing (2000? roll from Amazon) to create a grid to hold a tarp and prevent pooling. So far so good. The weight of the mast is on the bow pulpit as per normal and on the improvised crutch (two 2x4 sections) sitting on the transom as does the regular crutch. The web strapping ties to the stern and side rails with web straps completing the side rails.

Anyone see any problems with this setup?

Thanks,

Dave B
Old Greenwich, Ct


> On Nov 26, 2019, at 10:57 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>
> Allyn,
>
> The mast was not designed to be unsupported for ~22 ft, the distance between the bow and stern pulpits. Think of the mast as a spring. Left unsupported, the mast will vibrate as the trailer goes down the road. If you add in the mast crutch, the unsupported distance is cut by ~1/2. This increases the resonant frequency of the spring outside the range that will be encountered on the road. While the mast will not fail immediately due to this over the road vibration, every cycle is adding to total fatigue cycles. The vibration on the trailer is much higher frequency vs when the mast is stepped on the water. This means the fatigue cycles add up pretty fast on the trailer. A 100 miles at expressway speed with the center of the mast unsupported probably racks up the fatigue cycle equivalent of several years of use on the water. You are definitely shortening the life of your mast if you trailer without the mast crutch supporting the center.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
>
> From: Peter Nyberg<mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 4:33 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Unsure of plastic part above cabin
>
> Allyn,
>
> Yes, leaving the mast in the crutch during transportation is the norm.
>
> ?Peter
>
>> On Nov 25, 2019, at 4:21 PM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>>
>> I did notice cracks around both holes. I agree with Peter that the mast crutch wasn't used. When I purchased the boat, the mast was tied to the stern and bow rails. I've seen pictures with the mast propped up with the mast crutch during transportation, but I'm not sure if this is the norm.
>>
>

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From cp.boyce at comcast.net  Tue Nov 26 11:52:21 2019
From: cp.boyce at comcast.net (CPBoyce)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 09:52:21 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] GB's policy change
In-Reply-To: <f8e29d82-0274-710c-320c-61a87876bf9e@generalboats.com>
References: <f8e29d82-0274-710c-320c-61a87876bf9e@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <1574787141219-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

So I guess that makes us  automatic members of the ROC or do we owe tribute?

Celia "Take Five" Boyce



-----
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s/v Take Five (aka the Electric Rhodes)
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From mitchpadl at gmail.com  Tue Nov 26 11:48:23 2019
From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 11:48:23 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailering With/Without The Mast Crutch? -
	Winter Storage
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I?ve been using kayak pads. You can buy ones that match the railing tube diameter. I haven?t done much trailering Yet but it seems to work.
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Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 26, 2019, at 11:36 AM, Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On my boat, I remove the crutch and sit the mast on a support made with 2 by 6s. It?s a lot more stable, in my opinion.
> 
> See attached photo.
> 
> [Image]
> 
> Alexis
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 11:11 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailering With/Without The Mast Crutch? - Winter Storage
> 
> Interesting explanation. Thanks, Roger.
> 
> This winter I tried something different for protection from snow and ice. I built a smaller crutch to bring the mast down closer to the stern rail and used webbing (2000? roll from Amazon) to create a grid to hold a tarp and prevent pooling. So far so good. The weight of the mast is on the bow pulpit as per normal and on the improvised crutch (two 2x4 sections) sitting on the transom as does the regular crutch. The web strapping ties to the stern and side rails with web straps completing the side rails.
> 
> Anyone see any problems with this setup?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dave B
> Old Greenwich, Ct
> 
> 
>> On Nov 26, 2019, at 10:57 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Allyn,
>> 
>> The mast was not designed to be unsupported for ~22 ft, the distance between the bow and stern pulpits. Think of the mast as a spring. Left unsupported, the mast will vibrate as the trailer goes down the road. If you add in the mast crutch, the unsupported distance is cut by ~1/2. This increases the resonant frequency of the spring outside the range that will be encountered on the road. While the mast will not fail immediately due to this over the road vibration, every cycle is adding to total fatigue cycles. The vibration on the trailer is much higher frequency vs when the mast is stepped on the water. This means the fatigue cycles add up pretty fast on the trailer. A 100 miles at expressway speed with the center of the mast unsupported probably racks up the fatigue cycle equivalent of several years of use on the water. You are definitely shortening the life of your mast if you trailer without the mast crutch supporting the center.
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 
>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
>> 
>> From: Peter Nyberg<mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 4:33 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Unsure of plastic part above cabin
>> 
>> Allyn,
>> 
>> Yes, leaving the mast in the crutch during transportation is the norm.
>> 
>> ?Peter
>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2019, at 4:21 PM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I did notice cracks around both holes. I agree with Peter that the mast crutch wasn't used. When I purchased the boat, the mast was tied to the stern and bow rails. I've seen pictures with the mast propped up with the mast crutch during transportation, but I'm not sure if this is the norm.
>>> 
>> 
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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Tue Nov 26 13:07:21 2019
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 13:07:21 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailering With/Without The Mast Crutch?
In-Reply-To: <ddb9d1b3-abe2-48cf-e52f-44b4452bcf40@atlanticbb.net>
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Are we just talking about the IMF mast?  If so, I've never seen it vibrate
at all.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 11:36 AM Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:

> Roger,
> The mast crutch in question is mounted to the stern rail so the distance
> is still roughly 22 ft. This is how GB always transports their boats. I
> think if you were trailering a lot you might want to consider that
> vibration but if you were only trailering short distances, it might not
> matter. Also the masts with in mast furling have additional
> strengthening from the second chamber that keeps the wiring separate
> from the furling tube.
>
> Happy Thanksgiving to all,
> Mary Lou
> ex R22
> now Rosborough RF-246  Tara
> Rock Hall, MD
>
> On 11/26/2019 10:57 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
> > Allyn,
> >
> > The mast was not designed to be unsupported for ~22 ft, the distance
> between the bow and stern pulpits.  Think of the mast as a spring.  Left
> unsupported, the mast will vibrate as the trailer goes down the road.  If
> you add in the mast crutch, the unsupported distance is cut by ~1/2.  This
> increases the resonant frequency of the spring outside the range that will
> be encountered on the road.  While the mast will not fail immediately due
> to this over the road vibration, every cycle is adding to total fatigue
> cycles.  The vibration on the trailer is much higher frequency vs when the
> mast is stepped on the water.  This means the fatigue cycles add up pretty
> fast on the trailer.  A 100 miles at expressway speed with the center of
> the mast unsupported probably racks up the fatigue cycle equivalent of
> several years of use on the water.  You are definitely shortening the life
> of your mast if you trailer without the mast crutch supporting the center.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >
> > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
> >
> > From: Peter Nyberg<mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 4:33 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Unsure of plastic part above cabin
> >
> > Allyn,
> >
> > Yes, leaving the mast in the crutch during transportation is the norm.
> >
> > ?Peter
> >
> >> On Nov 25, 2019, at 4:21 PM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I did notice cracks around both holes. I agree with Peter that the mast
> crutch wasn't used. When I purchased the boat, the mast was tied to the
> stern and bow rails. I've seen pictures with the mast propped up with the
> mast crutch during transportation, but I'm not sure if this is the norm.
> >>
>
>

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Tue Nov 26 13:13:05 2019
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 13:13:05 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Winter Storage cover - cheap
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Recurring discussions on the list regarding winter covers makes me think that my approach to this matter might be of interest to some of you.

If you need to cover your boat in the winter where there is a significant snow load to contend with I provide here the arrangement that I came up with. In my case I didn't want to use the mast as a ridge pole because of all the protrusions, spreaders etc. I also wanted something that was fast and cheap because I am lazy and cheap.

For the ridge pole I used 2 ten-foot lengths of 4" PVC drain pipe that are glued together and have end caps. This makes a great ridge pole that is smooth and has a gentle curve that avoids chafe, is rigid, strong and light - making it easy for me to handle alone. 

I have three vertical and adjustable supports made from 2 x 4 studs - one tied to the bow pulpit. One at the mast step and one in the cockpit that is clamped to the seats. All are held vertically by lines. At the top of the supports I attached a 6" piece of the same PVC pipe with about 1/3 of the circumference cut out and the opening facing up like a "C" on its back.

I put the supports in place and then lay the ridge pole in the C brackets and just snap it into place. I then adjust the height of the supports, if necessary, to hold the ridge pole horizontally. I then fasten the ridge pole more securely to the support using reusable wire ties - probably unnecessarily. 

Finally, I use poly tarps to cover the whole rig. Costco sells a set of two tarps that are about 16' x 20' for about $30 in Canada and presumably a fraction of that in the US. They last for years. They are much better than the standard flimsy bleu tarps sold everywhere else. Using two overlapping tarps is much easier to hand than a single big one and these tarps fit perfectly with the one at the aft going across the boat on the long dimension and the one on the bow going lengthwise.

After the first use the parts are reused each year without the need for adjustment so it all goes together very quickly working alone. 

I have used this rig for 4 years now without difficulty. We get quite heavy snow falls here so when we get a real dump I pull the  snow off to be safe. This is easy for me because I keep the boat at my home. Otherwise I might be tempted to increase the number of supports and/or make them higher to create a steeper slope.

Total cost would be less than $100.


Graham Stewart
Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
Kingston Ontario


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From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Tue Nov 26 14:50:51 2019
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 14:50:51 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Winter Storage cover - cheap
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Ours on the R22 was similar but all PVC. I like the larger diameter PVC 
at the top. We never found tarps that lasted more than 3 years and the 
third year was always iffy but we never tried Costco. Current boat has a 
hardtop over the cockpit so we haven't covered it. Dug up some old 
photos of the R22 frame.

Mary Lou
ex R22
now Rosborough RF-246?? Tara
Rock Hall, MD

On 11/26/2019 1:13 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
> Recurring discussions on the list regarding winter covers makes me think that my approach to this matter might be of interest to some of you.
>
> If you need to cover your boat in the winter where there is a significant snow load to contend with I provide here the arrangement that I came up with. In my case I didn't want to use the mast as a ridge pole because of all the protrusions, spreaders etc. I also wanted something that was fast and cheap because I am lazy and cheap.
>
> For the ridge pole I used 2 ten-foot lengths of 4" PVC drain pipe that are glued together and have end caps. This makes a great ridge pole that is smooth and has a gentle curve that avoids chafe, is rigid, strong and light - making it easy for me to handle alone.
>
> I have three vertical and adjustable supports made from 2 x 4 studs - one tied to the bow pulpit. One at the mast step and one in the cockpit that is clamped to the seats. All are held vertically by lines. At the top of the supports I attached a 6" piece of the same PVC pipe with about 1/3 of the circumference cut out and the opening facing up like a "C" on its back.
>
> I put the supports in place and then lay the ridge pole in the C brackets and just snap it into place. I then adjust the height of the supports, if necessary, to hold the ridge pole horizontally. I then fasten the ridge pole more securely to the support using reusable wire ties - probably unnecessarily.
>
> Finally, I use poly tarps to cover the whole rig. Costco sells a set of two tarps that are about 16' x 20' for about $30 in Canada and presumably a fraction of that in the US. They last for years. They are much better than the standard flimsy bleu tarps sold everywhere else. Using two overlapping tarps is much easier to hand than a single big one and these tarps fit perfectly with the one at the aft going across the boat on the long dimension and the one on the bow going lengthwise.
>
> After the first use the parts are reused each year without the need for adjustment so it all goes together very quickly working alone.
>
> I have used this rig for 4 years now without difficulty. We get quite heavy snow falls here so when we get a real dump I pull the  snow off to be safe. This is easy for me because I keep the boat at my home. Otherwise I might be tempted to increase the number of supports and/or make them higher to create a steeper slope.
>
> Total cost would be less than $100.
>
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> Kingston Ontario
>
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From morrisix at comcast.net  Tue Nov 26 15:06:46 2019
From: morrisix at comcast.net (Bill)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 13:06:46 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Winter Storage cover - cheap
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Graham,
Is that a lake in the background?  Just wondered
If it could be Lake St Clair, my sailing grounds!
Although I rarely cross into Canadian waters.
Bill



--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Tue Nov 26 19:51:22 2019
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 19:51:22 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Winter Storage cover - cheap
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Mary Lou:
Nice rig. I might adopt some of your ideas into mine.
Graham

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 2:51 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Winter Storage cover - cheap

Ours on the R22 was similar but all PVC. I like the larger diameter PVC 
at the top. We never found tarps that lasted more than 3 years and the 
third year was always iffy but we never tried Costco. Current boat has a 
hardtop over the cockpit so we haven't covered it. Dug up some old 
photos of the R22 frame.

Mary Lou
ex R22
now Rosborough RF-246   Tara
Rock Hall, MD

On 11/26/2019 1:13 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
> Recurring discussions on the list regarding winter covers makes me think that my approach to this matter might be of interest to some of you.
>
> If you need to cover your boat in the winter where there is a significant snow load to contend with I provide here the arrangement that I came up with. In my case I didn't want to use the mast as a ridge pole because of all the protrusions, spreaders etc. I also wanted something that was fast and cheap because I am lazy and cheap.
>
> For the ridge pole I used 2 ten-foot lengths of 4" PVC drain pipe that are glued together and have end caps. This makes a great ridge pole that is smooth and has a gentle curve that avoids chafe, is rigid, strong and light - making it easy for me to handle alone.
>
> I have three vertical and adjustable supports made from 2 x 4 studs - one tied to the bow pulpit. One at the mast step and one in the cockpit that is clamped to the seats. All are held vertically by lines. At the top of the supports I attached a 6" piece of the same PVC pipe with about 1/3 of the circumference cut out and the opening facing up like a "C" on its back.
>
> I put the supports in place and then lay the ridge pole in the C brackets and just snap it into place. I then adjust the height of the supports, if necessary, to hold the ridge pole horizontally. I then fasten the ridge pole more securely to the support using reusable wire ties - probably unnecessarily.
>
> Finally, I use poly tarps to cover the whole rig. Costco sells a set of two tarps that are about 16' x 20' for about $30 in Canada and presumably a fraction of that in the US. They last for years. They are much better than the standard flimsy bleu tarps sold everywhere else. Using two overlapping tarps is much easier to hand than a single big one and these tarps fit perfectly with the one at the aft going across the boat on the long dimension and the one on the bow going lengthwise.
>
> After the first use the parts are reused each year without the need for adjustment so it all goes together very quickly working alone.
>
> I have used this rig for 4 years now without difficulty. We get quite heavy snow falls here so when we get a real dump I pull the  snow off to be safe. This is easy for me because I keep the boat at my home. Otherwise I might be tempted to increase the number of supports and/or make them higher to create a steeper slope.
>
> Total cost would be less than $100.
>
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> Kingston Ontario
>
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Tue Nov 26 19:52:22 2019
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 19:52:22 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Winter Storage cover - cheap
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It is Lake Ontario looking south where the lake enteres the St Lawrence
River just west of Kingston.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Bill
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 3:07 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Winter Storage cover - cheap

Graham,
Is that a lake in the background?  Just wondered
If it could be Lake St Clair, my sailing grounds!
Although I rarely cross into Canadian waters.
Bill



--
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Tue Nov 26 21:48:38 2019
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 21:48:38 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailering With/Without The Mast Crutch?
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As I recall, Roger does not have an IMF mast.  By all accounts, the non-IMF mast is much more flexible.

I do have the IMF mast and I?ve never noticed it flexing or vibrating either, but then I can?t see it very well while I?m towing.  When I picked up my boat at the GB plant, the guys instructed me to run a line from the lowered mast down to the mast base (tabernacle).  With just a bit of tension, this should minimize any flexing of the mast while towing.  This may be in the written instructions as well, I can?t recall for sure.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On Nov 26, 2019, at 1:07 PM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Are we just talking about the IMF mast?  If so, I've never seen it vibrate
> at all.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Rick Lange


From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Wed Nov 27 00:51:45 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 23:51:45 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cockpit filler planks for outdoor sleeping
In-Reply-To: <D3916801-3543-4415-B8A9-C94A26ECFC4E@mac.com>
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How wonderful!  It?s my son?s birthday too. Auspicious things associated
there.
Chris H
ENOSIS

On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 at 23:58, Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Chris
>
> Ironic that you should mention the Perseid meteor showers....they?re our
> anniversary fireworks ()
>
> Mary/Rod
> WI. St Croix River
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 24, 2019, at 2:07 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Hey Jesse,
> > 13 gallons is a lot, but when we are cruising there can be longer
> stretches
> > of coast without fuel or we avoid marinas as long as we can.  When I had
> > the boat on a lake up in the Cascades of Southern Oregon I doubt I used a
> > gallon or two the whole summer.  The lake was a bit smaller than the Med
> > however (grin).  Battery placement; all over the place.  Well dream about
> > the coming summer and sleeping out under the stars while watching the
> > Perseid Meteor showers.
> >
> > Chris Geankoplis
> > Enosis
> >
> >> On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 12:47 PM Jesse Shumaker <
> >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I like your stowing option, so I think I'll do that.  Good point about
> the
> >> gas tank, so I'll give that some thought.   Wow, 13 gallons should take
> a
> >> Rhodes a long way!
> >>
> >> Side note:  I have two batteries but neither is in the laz.  One is
> under
> >> the settee and another is on the port side of the water tank in the v
> >> berth.  Based on several posts that reference batteries, seems that
> there
> >> is some variety in battery placement.
> >>
> >> On Sat, Nov 23, 2019, 10:00 AM Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com
> >>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> We used the cockpit inserts a lot in the Sea of Cortez in Mexico, not
> so
> >>> much in Canada (too cold).  We still have the cushions and boards
> stowed
> >>> under the cockpit seats against the hull.  We haven't used them a lot
> in
> >>> the Med. since we found ourselves in marinas a lot.  One problem I
> found
> >>> when we used them was that for safety considerations, we had to remove
> >> the
> >>> fuel tank and stow it in the dinghy or on a holder that hung off the
> >> ladder
> >>> on the stern of the boat.  I was concerned that if there was even a
> small
> >>> venting or leak that the gas fumes would be able to concentrate and
> there
> >>> were several possible sources of ignitions (batteries in the laz and
> >> under
> >>> the stb. seat, electrical connections and even parts of the breaker
> >> panel.
> >>> I have never heard of an actual problem or incident regarding a Rhodes
> >> and
> >>> the filler cushions, but I have seen a gas explosion on a boat up close
> >> and
> >>> personal.  For us, because we carry 13 gallons of fuel it is a bit of a
> >>> chore to move all the tanks out of the cockpit, and now that I have a
> >> large
> >>> bulkhead mounted fuel  filter under the port seat aft bulkhead, I leave
> >> the
> >>> aft most cushion and board open to circulate the air.  Perhaps I am
> being
> >>> too cautious here.  Any ideas or comments would be welcomed.   Attached
> >> is
> >>> a photo of our setup we had in Mexico.
> >>>
> >>> Chris Geankoplis
> >>> Enosis
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 7:46 PM Jesse Shumaker <
> >>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Graham, the ledge that the boards sit on was on the boat when I got
> >> it
> >>>> and
> >>>> I think it was already on the boat when the prior owner purchased it
> >> as a
> >>>> refurb from GB in 2013.  The boat was original built in 1991.
> >>>>
> >>>> I attached a photo from this summer showing the ledge just below the
> >>>> benches
> >>>> (and the top front of the lazarette) that the cockpit filler boards
> sit
> >>>> on.
> >>>> I'm traveling now so I'll be away from the boat for awhile.  When I
> get
> >>>> back
> >>>> I'll try to get some photos showing another view.  Hopefully that will
> >>>> illustrate how these pieces are attached.  I assume they are screwed
> >> in.
> >>>>
> >>>> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/ledge.jpg>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >>>>
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> >>>
> >>
>
>

From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Wed Nov 27 08:55:41 2019
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 08:55:41 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Winter Storage cover - cheap
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Glad it was helpful. I wish I remember who we took the ideas from. I 
think it was someone on this list 10-15 years ago.

And Peter, come to think of it we always tied a line from the mast, I 
think in a v to the hand rails - ours were stainless and made good tiedowns.

Mary Lou

On 11/26/2019 7:51 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
> Mary Lou:
> Nice rig. I might adopt some of your ideas into mine.
> Graham
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy
> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 2:51 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Winter Storage cover - cheap
>
> Ours on the R22 was similar but all PVC. I like the larger diameter PVC
> at the top. We never found tarps that lasted more than 3 years and the
> third year was always iffy but we never tried Costco. Current boat has a
> hardtop over the cockpit so we haven't covered it. Dug up some old
> photos of the R22 frame.
>
> Mary Lou
> ex R22
> now Rosborough RF-246   Tara
> Rock Hall, MD
>
> On 11/26/2019 1:13 PM, Graham Stewart wrote:
>> Recurring discussions on the list regarding winter covers makes me think that my approach to this matter might be of interest to some of you.
>>
>> If you need to cover your boat in the winter where there is a significant snow load to contend with I provide here the arrangement that I came up with. In my case I didn't want to use the mast as a ridge pole because of all the protrusions, spreaders etc. I also wanted something that was fast and cheap because I am lazy and cheap.
>>
>> For the ridge pole I used 2 ten-foot lengths of 4" PVC drain pipe that are glued together and have end caps. This makes a great ridge pole that is smooth and has a gentle curve that avoids chafe, is rigid, strong and light - making it easy for me to handle alone.
>>
>> I have three vertical and adjustable supports made from 2 x 4 studs - one tied to the bow pulpit. One at the mast step and one in the cockpit that is clamped to the seats. All are held vertically by lines. At the top of the supports I attached a 6" piece of the same PVC pipe with about 1/3 of the circumference cut out and the opening facing up like a "C" on its back.
>>
>> I put the supports in place and then lay the ridge pole in the C brackets and just snap it into place. I then adjust the height of the supports, if necessary, to hold the ridge pole horizontally. I then fasten the ridge pole more securely to the support using reusable wire ties - probably unnecessarily.
>>
>> Finally, I use poly tarps to cover the whole rig. Costco sells a set of two tarps that are about 16' x 20' for about $30 in Canada and presumably a fraction of that in the US. They last for years. They are much better than the standard flimsy bleu tarps sold everywhere else. Using two overlapping tarps is much easier to hand than a single big one and these tarps fit perfectly with the one at the aft going across the boat on the long dimension and the one on the bow going lengthwise.
>>
>> After the first use the parts are reused each year without the need for adjustment so it all goes together very quickly working alone.
>>
>> I have used this rig for 4 years now without difficulty. We get quite heavy snow falls here so when we get a real dump I pull the  snow off to be safe. This is easy for me because I keep the boat at my home. Otherwise I might be tempted to increase the number of supports and/or make them higher to create a steeper slope.
>>
>> Total cost would be less than $100.
>>
>>
>> Graham Stewart
>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
>> Kingston Ontario
>>
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From allynb at adsne.com  Wed Nov 27 10:07:51 2019
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 15:07:51 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailering With/Without The Mast Crutch?
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Thanks, Roger. This makes a lot of sense. 

Sent from my iPhone

>> On Nov 26, 2019, at 9:57 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> ?Allyn,
> 
> The mast was not designed to be unsupported for ~22 ft, the distance between the bow and stern pulpits.  Think of the mast as a spring.  Left unsupported, the mast will vibrate as the trailer goes down the road.  If you add in the mast crutch, the unsupported distance is cut by ~1/2.  This increases the resonant frequency of the spring outside the range that will be encountered on the road.  While the mast will not fail immediately due to this over the road vibration, every cycle is adding to total fatigue cycles.  The vibration on the trailer is much higher frequency vs when the mast is stepped on the water.  This means the fatigue cycles add up pretty fast on the trailer.  A 100 miles at expressway speed with the center of the mast unsupported probably racks up the fatigue cycle equivalent of several years of use on the water.  You are definitely shortening the life of your mast if you trailer without the mast crutch supporting the center.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
> 
> From: Peter Nyberg<mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 4:33 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Unsure of plastic part above cabin
> 
> Allyn,
> 
> Yes, leaving the mast in the crutch during transportation is the norm.
> 
> ?Peter
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2019, at 4:21 PM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I did notice cracks around both holes. I agree with Peter that the mast crutch wasn't used. When I purchased the boat, the mast was tied to the stern and bow rails. I've seen pictures with the mast propped up with the mast crutch during transportation, but I'm not sure if this is the norm.

From allynb at adsne.com  Wed Nov 27 10:22:24 2019
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 15:22:24 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Power connector at base of mast
Message-ID: <E851239B-6F54-4D2F-AAA1-92F22B243BC3@adsne.com>

There is a 4-contact connector at the base of the mast that has a broken screw. I can?t find anything stamped on the connector. Does anyone know what the connector type is? 

Also, is there a price/parts list anywhere? I?ve run across people asking for this, and they are generally told to contact Stan. I know he?s a busy guy, and I?m not sure if something is $200 or $1000 - on the upper end I?d have to delay a bit so don?t want to waste his time. 

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!

Sent from my iPhone

From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Wed Nov 27 10:55:43 2019
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 15:55:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Power connector at base of mast
In-Reply-To: <E851239B-6F54-4D2F-AAA1-92F22B243BC3@adsne.com>
References: <E851239B-6F54-4D2F-AAA1-92F22B243BC3@adsne.com>
Message-ID: <11540951.3997267.1574870143841@mail.yahoo.com>

try searching ? Model #?184226?|?Mfg #?6054CHUPC #?25282184224?


-----Original Message-----
From: Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wed, Nov 27, 2019 10:22 am
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Power connector at base of mast

There is a 4-contact connector at the base of the mast that has a broken screw. I can?t find anything stamped on the connector. Does anyone know what the connector type is? 

Also, is there a price/parts list anywhere? I?ve run across people asking for this, and they are generally told to contact Stan. I know he?s a busy guy, and I?m not sure if something is $200 or $1000 - on the upper end I?d have to delay a bit so don?t want to waste his time. 

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!

Sent from my iPhone

From allynb at adsne.com  Wed Nov 27 12:01:50 2019
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 17:01:50 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Power connector at base of mast
In-Reply-To: <11540951.3997267.1574870143841@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <E851239B-6F54-4D2F-AAA1-92F22B243BC3@adsne.com>,
 <11540951.3997267.1574870143841@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DA19BDDB-7956-4651-9DC2-2811268268DE@adsne.com>

Thanks, Mark. This got me what I need. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 27, 2019, at 9:55 AM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?try searching   Model # 184226 | Mfg # 6054CHUPC # 25282184224 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Wed, Nov 27, 2019 10:22 am
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Power connector at base of mast
> 
> There is a 4-contact connector at the base of the mast that has a broken screw. I can?t find anything stamped on the connector. Does anyone know what the connector type is? 
> 
> Also, is there a price/parts list anywhere? I?ve run across people asking for this, and they are generally told to contact Stan. I know he?s a busy guy, and I?m not sure if something is $200 or $1000 - on the upper end I?d have to delay a bit so don?t want to waste his time. 
> 
> Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Wed Nov 27 13:45:20 2019
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (mweisner at ebsmed.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 13:45:20 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Power connector at base of mast
In-Reply-To: <E851239B-6F54-4D2F-AAA1-92F22B243BC3@adsne.com>
References: <E851239B-6F54-4D2F-AAA1-92F22B243BC3@adsne.com>
Message-ID: <003b01d5a552$d2dc1e40$78945ac0$@ebsmed.com>

I have used a connector that appears to be the same as the one used by Stan on my Rhodes.  I found it at West Marine for $25, p/n 184226 (see attached photo at the bottom of this email.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Allyn Baskerville
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 10:22 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Power connector at base of mast

There is a 4-contact connector at the base of the mast that has a broken screw. I can?t find anything stamped on the connector. Does anyone know what the connector type is? 

Also, is there a price/parts list anywhere? I?ve run across people asking for this, and they are generally told to contact Stan. I know he?s a busy guy, and I?m not sure if something is $200 or $1000 - on the upper end I?d have to delay a bit so don?t want to waste his time. 

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!

Sent from my iPhone
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Wed Nov 27 16:05:33 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 15:05:33 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Long term cruising stowage
Message-ID: <CADNTwiVb8FfgSMxSwT6EV5c2CnRO3fj1ih7G-CR_JjzjbBCBKA@mail.gmail.com>

Can't remember if I posted this, but here are some illustrated notes on how
we stuffed all the things we needed for 3 months of cruising in the
Mediterranean.  Of course we had to raise the water line with all this crap
on board.

Chris Geankoplis
ENOSIS
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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Wed Nov 27 17:21:43 2019
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 15:21:43 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Power connector at base of mast
In-Reply-To: <003b01d5a552$d2dc1e40$78945ac0$@ebsmed.com>
References: <E851239B-6F54-4D2F-AAA1-92F22B243BC3@adsne.com>
 <003b01d5a552$d2dc1e40$78945ac0$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <1574893303752-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Well I'm glad this question and answer was posted since this is also on my
list of winter projects.  Does anyone happen to know the part number for the
4 pin male end that fits into the part that Mike posted?  I think that one
of my pins is bent.  I need to try and bend it back into place but it would
be good to have a spare for replacement.  I'm traveling for a few more days
and can't access West Marine web site at the moment, but I'll do some
searching there if no one happens to know the part.  Thanks!



--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Wed Nov 27 17:40:05 2019
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 15:40:05 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Long term cruising stowage
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiVb8FfgSMxSwT6EV5c2CnRO3fj1ih7G-CR_JjzjbBCBKA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiVb8FfgSMxSwT6EV5c2CnRO3fj1ih7G-CR_JjzjbBCBKA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1574894405105-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Chris, thanks for posting this.  It's helpful to see the organization system
resulting from the experience of your many trips on the Rhodes over the
years.  I've made it through most of your travelogues (just have the 2016
Mexico trip to go) and had wondered how you packed all the necessary gear. 
Thanks for putting the planning details and lists in the Baja trip in
particular.  Thanks for capturing these adventures in words and photos so we
can enjoy them as well.  I'm inspired to start some of my own adventures in
road trips next summer.  These will seem like small potatoes compared to the
trips that you and others have made, but I have to start somewhere.

In the attachment, you mentioned how you had to raise the water line which I
can understand.  Do you have issues with water pushing up through the
cockpit drain when you're loaded heavily?  If I get a few passengers on
board, even if I move them forward in the cockpit, I get some water that
comes back up through the cockpit drain.  It's not a lot of water and it
stops taking on water when it has reached some sort of equilibrium.   When
passengers step off the boat, the stern raises and the water drains.  The
former owner had a plug that could go in this drain, but it tends to pop out
after I put it in.  If I was loaded very heavy like your boat, I think this
could become more of an issue to be dealt with instead of a minor nuisance. 
Perhaps I just need some more weight in the bow as a counter balance.  Has
anyone else experienced this and if so, do you have any suggestions?  Thanks
in advance for any input.



--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Wed Nov 27 18:03:00 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 17:03:00 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Long term cruising stowage
In-Reply-To: <1574894405105-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <CADNTwiVb8FfgSMxSwT6EV5c2CnRO3fj1ih7G-CR_JjzjbBCBKA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1574894405105-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiXbtfqANU0OoUF=NBX2zF3a9kBsbBwbj4XKw8988yTh8w@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Jesse,
 Thanks for the good words.  There is no such thing as "small potatoes"
when it comes to sailing your Rhodes.  It is whatever amount of joy you
find each day on the water.  Half kidding about the water line, but you are
right, there is some water that fills the little scupper but doesn't rise
above the cockpit sole, when the boat is level.  But when was our boat ever
"level".  So if the boat heels then a lot more water accumulates.  We do
use a plug with a bit of extra rescue tape wrapped around it to make a
secure and solid grip so it won't pop out.  My best solution:  Load the bow
with lots of beer.  Keeps the boat on an even keel; me, not so much. (grin )

Chris G
ENOSIS

On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 4:25 PM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> Chris, thanks for posting this.  It's helpful to see the organization
> system
> resulting from the experience of your many trips on the Rhodes over the
> years.  I've made it through most of your travelogues (just have the 2016
> Mexico trip to go) and had wondered how you packed all the necessary gear.
> Thanks for putting the planning details and lists in the Baja trip in
> particular.  Thanks for capturing these adventures in words and photos so
> we
> can enjoy them as well.  I'm inspired to start some of my own adventures in
> road trips next summer.  These will seem like small potatoes compared to
> the
> trips that you and others have made, but I have to start somewhere.
>
> In the attachment, you mentioned how you had to raise the water line which
> I
> can understand.  Do you have issues with water pushing up through the
> cockpit drain when you're loaded heavily?  If I get a few passengers on
> board, even if I move them forward in the cockpit, I get some water that
> comes back up through the cockpit drain.  It's not a lot of water and it
> stops taking on water when it has reached some sort of equilibrium.   When
> passengers step off the boat, the stern raises and the water drains.  The
> former owner had a plug that could go in this drain, but it tends to pop
> out
> after I put it in.  If I was loaded very heavy like your boat, I think this
> could become more of an issue to be dealt with instead of a minor
> nuisance.
> Perhaps I just need some more weight in the bow as a counter balance.  Has
> anyone else experienced this and if so, do you have any suggestions?
> Thanks
> in advance for any input.
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From a_czerwonky at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 27 21:57:49 2019
From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 02:57:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Happy Thanksgiving to the fleet !
References: <1938916845.635057.1574909869610.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1938916845.635057.1574909869610@mail.yahoo.com>

Here's to a nice Thanksgiving Day, fellow skippers !
Art

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed Nov 27 22:34:35 2019
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 22:34:35 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Happy Thanksgiving to the fleet !
In-Reply-To: <1938916845.635057.1574909869610@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1938916845.635057.1574909869610.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1938916845.635057.1574909869610@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9C38825E-F9EB-4497-A73F-252223B668DD@sunnybeeches.com>

I?ll second that!

?Peter

> On Nov 27, 2019, at 9:57 PM, Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> Here's to a nice Thanksgiving Day, fellow skippers !
> Art
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android


From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Wed Nov 27 22:38:30 2019
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 22:38:30 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Happy Thanksgiving to the fleet !
In-Reply-To: <9C38825E-F9EB-4497-A73F-252223B668DD@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <1938916845.635057.1574909869610.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1938916845.635057.1574909869610@mail.yahoo.com>
 <9C38825E-F9EB-4497-A73F-252223B668DD@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <A70E77F9-93C3-418D-B53A-96E821EF41EC@gmail.com>

Likewise.  Much to be grateful for.  

Frank

> On Nov 27, 2019, at 10:34 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> I?ll second that!
> 
> ?Peter
> 
>> On Nov 27, 2019, at 9:57 PM, Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Here's to a nice Thanksgiving Day, fellow skippers !
>> Art
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 


From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Wed Nov 27 23:38:56 2019
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 23:38:56 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Power connector at base of mast
In-Reply-To: <1574893303752-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <E851239B-6F54-4D2F-AAA1-92F22B243BC3@adsne.com>
 <003b01d5a552$d2dc1e40$78945ac0$@ebsmed.com>
 <1574893303752-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <019a01d5a5a5$bf62fca0$3e28f5e0$@ebsmed.com>

Jesse,

If I remember correctly, the part I purchased at West Marine included both
connectors male & female.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Jesse
Shumaker
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 5:22 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Power connector at base of mast

Well I'm glad this question and answer was posted since this is also on my
list of winter projects.  Does anyone happen to know the part number for the
4 pin male end that fits into the part that Mike posted?  I think that one
of my pins is bent.  I need to try and bend it back into place but it would
be good to have a spare for replacement.  I'm traveling for a few more days
and can't access West Marine web site at the moment, but I'll do some
searching there if no one happens to know the part.  Thanks!



--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/


From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Thu Nov 28 00:22:46 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 23:22:46 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Happy Thanksgiving to the fleet !
In-Reply-To: <1938916845.635057.1574909869610@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1938916845.635057.1574909869610.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1938916845.635057.1574909869610@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiUQTYQ3DCiAVjej1jSLF0iyj8COPw7JX3rDVgXNy=KWog@mail.gmail.com>

Yes! Thankful for the fine people of the Rhodes family each and everyone.

Chris Geankoplis
ENOSIS


On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 20:57, Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Here's to a nice Thanksgiving Day, fellow skippers !
> Art
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Thu Nov 28 08:32:05 2019
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 07:32:05 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Power connector at base of mast
In-Reply-To: <019a01d5a5a5$bf62fca0$3e28f5e0$@ebsmed.com>
References: <E851239B-6F54-4D2F-AAA1-92F22B243BC3@adsne.com>
 <003b01d5a552$d2dc1e40$78945ac0$@ebsmed.com>
 <1574893303752-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <019a01d5a5a5$bf62fca0$3e28f5e0$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fpV+FgxG_Pvn0+pCaTvN46up72oyk-odcwaiaFTmJ8RRQ@mail.gmail.com>

Perfect, thanks for the quick response.

On Wed, Nov 27, 2019, 10:39 PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> Jesse,
>
> If I remember correctly, the part I purchased at West Marine included both
> connectors male & female.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Jesse
> Shumaker
> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 5:22 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Power connector at base of mast
>
> Well I'm glad this question and answer was posted since this is also on my
> list of winter projects.  Does anyone happen to know the part number for
> the
> 4 pin male end that fits into the part that Mike posted?  I think that one
> of my pins is bent.  I need to try and bend it back into place but it would
> be good to have a spare for replacement.  I'm traveling for a few more days
> and can't access West Marine web site at the moment, but I'll do some
> searching there if no one happens to know the part.  Thanks!
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>
>

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Thu Nov 28 08:37:49 2019
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 07:37:49 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Long term cruising stowage
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiXbtfqANU0OoUF=NBX2zF3a9kBsbBwbj4XKw8988yTh8w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiVb8FfgSMxSwT6EV5c2CnRO3fj1ih7G-CR_JjzjbBCBKA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1574894405105-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CADNTwiXbtfqANU0OoUF=NBX2zF3a9kBsbBwbj4XKw8988yTh8w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fps_U1dNnj5F-WXeBx40WmVr_oFMin_HnR5pG7e7Vb9NQ@mail.gmail.com>

Ha, thanks for the explanation :)

Happy Thanksgiving to the group!

On Wed, Nov 27, 2019, 5:03 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hey Jesse,
>  Thanks for the good words.  There is no such thing as "small potatoes"
> when it comes to sailing your Rhodes.  It is whatever amount of joy you
> find each day on the water.  Half kidding about the water line, but you are
> right, there is some water that fills the little scupper but doesn't rise
> above the cockpit sole, when the boat is level.  But when was our boat ever
> "level".  So if the boat heels then a lot more water accumulates.  We do
> use a plug with a bit of extra rescue tape wrapped around it to make a
> secure and solid grip so it won't pop out.  My best solution:  Load the bow
> with lots of beer.  Keeps the boat on an even keel; me, not so much. (grin
> )
>
> Chris G
> ENOSIS
>
> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 4:25 PM Jesse Shumaker <
> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Chris, thanks for posting this.  It's helpful to see the organization
> > system
> > resulting from the experience of your many trips on the Rhodes over the
> > years.  I've made it through most of your travelogues (just have the 2016
> > Mexico trip to go) and had wondered how you packed all the necessary
> gear.
> > Thanks for putting the planning details and lists in the Baja trip in
> > particular.  Thanks for capturing these adventures in words and photos so
> > we
> > can enjoy them as well.  I'm inspired to start some of my own adventures
> in
> > road trips next summer.  These will seem like small potatoes compared to
> > the
> > trips that you and others have made, but I have to start somewhere.
> >
> > In the attachment, you mentioned how you had to raise the water line
> which
> > I
> > can understand.  Do you have issues with water pushing up through the
> > cockpit drain when you're loaded heavily?  If I get a few passengers on
> > board, even if I move them forward in the cockpit, I get some water that
> > comes back up through the cockpit drain.  It's not a lot of water and it
> > stops taking on water when it has reached some sort of equilibrium.
>  When
> > passengers step off the boat, the stern raises and the water drains.  The
> > former owner had a plug that could go in this drain, but it tends to pop
> > out
> > after I put it in.  If I was loaded very heavy like your boat, I think
> this
> > could become more of an issue to be dealt with instead of a minor
> > nuisance.
> > Perhaps I just need some more weight in the bow as a counter balance.
> Has
> > anyone else experienced this and if so, do you have any suggestions?
> > Thanks
> > in advance for any input.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >
>

From stan at generalboats.com  Thu Nov 28 09:13:19 2019
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 09:13:19 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Long term cruising stowage
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiXbtfqANU0OoUF=NBX2zF3a9kBsbBwbj4XKw8988yTh8w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiVb8FfgSMxSwT6EV5c2CnRO3fj1ih7G-CR_JjzjbBCBKA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1574894405105-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CADNTwiXbtfqANU0OoUF=NBX2zF3a9kBsbBwbj4XKw8988yTh8w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <069fdaf3-9d33-ea49-5c7f-3729b31e1baa@generalboats.com>


You are hereby notified that your unsinkable guarantee is null and void.

the Rhodes 22 legal team

On 11/27/19 6:03 PM, Chris Geankoplis wrote:
> Hey Jesse,
>   Thanks for the good words.  There is no such thing as "small potatoes"
> when it comes to sailing your Rhodes.  It is whatever amount of joy you
> find each day on the water.


From snstaum at gmail.com  Thu Nov 28 09:20:21 2019
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 09:20:21 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Happy Thanksgiving to the fleet !
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Happy to be part of this esteemed group. Thanks for your inspiration,
feedback & help.

Thanks to Stan & all for building us this fabulous boat.

Good holiday to all of you.

Stephen Staum
s/v Carol Lee 2
Needham, MA

On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 12:23 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Yes! Thankful for the fine people of the Rhodes family each and everyone.
>
> Chris Geankoplis
> ENOSIS
>
>
> On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 20:57, Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> > Here's to a nice Thanksgiving Day, fellow skippers !
> > Art
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
>
-- 
Stephen Staum
Pariser Industries, Inc.

From retiredtoby at gmail.com  Thu Nov 28 10:22:26 2019
From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 10:22:26 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Long term cruising stowage
In-Reply-To: <069fdaf3-9d33-ea49-5c7f-3729b31e1baa@generalboats.com>
References: <CADNTwiVb8FfgSMxSwT6EV5c2CnRO3fj1ih7G-CR_JjzjbBCBKA@mail.gmail.com>
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 <069fdaf3-9d33-ea49-5c7f-3729b31e1baa@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <CAPQvPRqXxNi0jcton+mzqTE3AxXLuFgAqTH-0xxKG8-TKPHYnA@mail.gmail.com>

Stan, I did not know that you had a J.D. degree.

On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 9:13 AM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:

>
> You are hereby notified that your unsinkable guarantee is null and void.
>
> the Rhodes 22 legal team
>
> On 11/27/19 6:03 PM, Chris Geankoplis wrote:
> > Hey Jesse,
> >   Thanks for the good words.  There is no such thing as "small potatoes"
> > when it comes to sailing your Rhodes.  It is whatever amount of joy you
> > find each day on the water.
>
>

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Thu Nov 28 10:48:26 2019
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 10:48:26 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Long term cruising stowage
In-Reply-To: <CAPQvPRqXxNi0jcton+mzqTE3AxXLuFgAqTH-0xxKG8-TKPHYnA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiVb8FfgSMxSwT6EV5c2CnRO3fj1ih7G-CR_JjzjbBCBKA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <01ca01d5a603$4685e370$d391aa50$@ebsmed.com>

Purdue engineers think that they are equipped to solve any and all problems.

Legal issues should be no particular challenge.

Happy Turkey Day!

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Cary Tolbert
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 10:22 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Long term cruising stowage

Stan, I did not know that you had a J.D. degree.

On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 9:13 AM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:

>
> You are hereby notified that your unsinkable guarantee is null and void.
>
> the Rhodes 22 legal team
>
> On 11/27/19 6:03 PM, Chris Geankoplis wrote:
> > Hey Jesse,
> >   Thanks for the good words.  There is no such thing as "small potatoes"
> > when it comes to sailing your Rhodes.  It is whatever amount of joy 
> > you find each day on the water.
>
>


From stan at generalboats.com  Thu Nov 28 11:14:17 2019
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 11:14:17 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Long term cruising stowage
In-Reply-To: <CAPQvPRqXxNi0jcton+mzqTE3AxXLuFgAqTH-0xxKG8-TKPHYnA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiVb8FfgSMxSwT6EV5c2CnRO3fj1ih7G-CR_JjzjbBCBKA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1574894405105-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CADNTwiXbtfqANU0OoUF=NBX2zF3a9kBsbBwbj4XKw8988yTh8w@mail.gmail.com>
 <069fdaf3-9d33-ea49-5c7f-3729b31e1baa@generalboats.com>
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Message-ID: <a0382df3-e843-0580-8150-586620de05fe@generalboats.com>


I took a case pro se to successful docketing at the US Supreme Court 
with out one, so be careful.

ss


On 11/28/19 10:22 AM, Cary Tolbert wrote:
> Stan, I did not know that you had a J.D. degree.
>
> On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 9:13 AM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>
>> You are hereby notified that your unsinkable guarantee is null and void.
>>
>> the Rhodes 22 legal team
>>
>> On 11/27/19 6:03 PM, Chris Geankoplis wrote:
>>> Hey Jesse,
>>>    Thanks for the good words.  There is no such thing as "small potatoes"
>>> when it comes to sailing your Rhodes.  It is whatever amount of joy you
>>> find each day on the water.
>>
>


From stan at generalboats.com  Thu Nov 28 11:19:46 2019
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 11:19:46 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Long term cruising stowage
In-Reply-To: <01ca01d5a603$4685e370$d391aa50$@ebsmed.com>
References: <CADNTwiVb8FfgSMxSwT6EV5c2CnRO3fj1ih7G-CR_JjzjbBCBKA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1574894405105-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CADNTwiXbtfqANU0OoUF=NBX2zF3a9kBsbBwbj4XKw8988yTh8w@mail.gmail.com>
 <069fdaf3-9d33-ea49-5c7f-3729b31e1baa@generalboats.com>
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Message-ID: <be2a655f-3576-f69a-8142-a4381c5821b6@generalboats.com>


Mike you are so right.? I won everyone of my pro se cases.? Even one 
where there was two defendants: A police man and an attorney. My lawyer 
friends said forget it? It would be like suing a station wagon full of nuns.
I won.

On 11/28/19 10:48 AM, Michael D. Weisner wrote:
> Purdue engineers think that they are equipped to solve any and all problems.
>
> Legal issues should be no particular challenge.
>
> Happy Turkey Day!
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Cary Tolbert
> Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 10:22 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Long term cruising stowage
>
> Stan, I did not know that you had a J.D. degree.
>
> On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 9:13 AM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>
>> You are hereby notified that your unsinkable guarantee is null and void.
>>
>> the Rhodes 22 legal team
>>
>> On 11/27/19 6:03 PM, Chris Geankoplis wrote:
>>> Hey Jesse,
>>>    Thanks for the good words.  There is no such thing as "small potatoes"
>>> when it comes to sailing your Rhodes.  It is whatever amount of joy
>>> you find each day on the water.
>>
>
>


From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Fri Nov 29 15:50:02 2019
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 13:50:02 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] hatch on foredeck
Message-ID: <1575060602725-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

I was browsing through the rhodes22.org website and happened to stumble on a
photo of a hatch in the middle of the foredeck.  This is clearly a different
design than the hatches towards of the front of the cabin roof that are
installed by GB.  I assume that the normal hatch placement in the front of
the cabin roof was purposeful just like everything else, but I wasn't
certain about the reasoning.  Many other boat models do place a hatch on the
foredeck so that is not unusual.  

It seems like the placement in the middle of the foredeck would be good for
air flow, but it seems like sealing it would be challenging, particularly
with the raised middle portion of the foredeck and the recessed grip area on
either side.  Perhaps there could be structural support concerns as well. 
My boat doesn't have a hatch but that could be a future project.  Does
anyone know how the hatch placement from this photo worked out and what
model hatch may have been used?  Thanks

http://www.rhodes22.org/rhodes/pics/Gallant2.jpg

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/Gallant2foredeckhatch.jpg> 



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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Fri Nov 29 21:08:17 2019
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 21:08:17 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] hatch on foredeck
In-Reply-To: <1575060602725-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1575060602725-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <03a001d5a723$09203fa0$1b60bee0$@ca>

Something to consider would be the reduced overhead room in the forward
birth with a hatch on the foredeck. If however the birth is not used for
sleeping the hatch might be useful as a way to store the foresails or
anchor.

Graham

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Jesse Shumaker
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 3:50 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] hatch on foredeck

I was browsing through the rhodes22.org website and happened to stumble on a
photo of a hatch in the middle of the foredeck.  This is clearly a different
design than the hatches towards of the front of the cabin roof that are
installed by GB.  I assume that the normal hatch placement in the front of
the cabin roof was purposeful just like everything else, but I wasn't
certain about the reasoning.  Many other boat models do place a hatch on the
foredeck so that is not unusual.  

It seems like the placement in the middle of the foredeck would be good for
air flow, but it seems like sealing it would be challenging, particularly
with the raised middle portion of the foredeck and the recessed grip area on
either side.  Perhaps there could be structural support concerns as well. 
My boat doesn't have a hatch but that could be a future project.  Does
anyone know how the hatch placement from this photo worked out and what
model hatch may have been used?  Thanks

http://www.rhodes22.org/rhodes/pics/Gallant2.jpg

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/Gallant2foredeckhatch.jpg>




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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Fri Nov 29 21:34:38 2019
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 21:34:38 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] hatch on foredeck
In-Reply-To: <1575060602725-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1575060602725-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <D5AC2EED-D231-480A-BDA1-42CC321C0A0E@sunnybeeches.com>

That photo is probably pretty old, and it?s unlikely that anyone currently on the list will have personal knowledge of that installation.  (But I could be wrong!)

Speaking as one who usually sleeps in the v-berth, I think that adding this hatch for ventilation purposes would be unnecessary.  I do have one GB installed hatch on the forward cabin top, and a solar vent on the deck near the bow, and that seems to be enough.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On Nov 29, 2019, at 3:50 PM, Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I was browsing through the rhodes22.org website and happened to stumble on a
> photo of a hatch in the middle of the foredeck.  This is clearly a different
> design than the hatches towards of the front of the cabin roof that are
> installed by GB.  I assume that the normal hatch placement in the front of
> the cabin roof was purposeful just like everything else, but I wasn't
> certain about the reasoning.  Many other boat models do place a hatch on the
> foredeck so that is not unusual.  
> 
> It seems like the placement in the middle of the foredeck would be good for
> air flow, but it seems like sealing it would be challenging, particularly
> with the raised middle portion of the foredeck and the recessed grip area on
> either side.  Perhaps there could be structural support concerns as well. 
> My boat doesn't have a hatch but that could be a future project.  Does
> anyone know how the hatch placement from this photo worked out and what
> model hatch may have been used?  Thanks
> 
> http://www.rhodes22.org/rhodes/pics/Gallant2.jpg
> 
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/Gallant2foredeckhatch.jpg> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/


From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Sat Nov 30 08:35:40 2019
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 08:35:40 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] hatch on foredeck
In-Reply-To: <D5AC2EED-D231-480A-BDA1-42CC321C0A0E@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <1575060602725-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <D5AC2EED-D231-480A-BDA1-42CC321C0A0E@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <09dc4a01-8594-6f83-aa0c-dfdf1272b5f9@atlanticbb.net>

We had the solar vent forward and a single hatch over the head. we 
always thought it was enough ventilation for sleeping but we slept in 
the narrow double berth in the cabin rather than in the v-berth which we 
used for storage when cruising.

I think the boat in the picture was Bill Gallant's and while it's 
possible he had the work done locally,? I seem to remember that the work 
was done at General Boats before the boat was delivered. It would have 
been in the late 1990s or around 2000. I don't know where that boat went 
or where it is now but don't recall any complaints about the hatch in 
the couple of years Bill was on the Rhodes list.

Mary Lou
ex R-22
now Rosborough RF-246? Tara
Rock Hall, MD

On 11/29/2019 9:34 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote:
> That photo is probably pretty old, and it?s unlikely that anyone currently on the list will have personal knowledge of that installation.  (But I could be wrong!)
>
> Speaking as one who usually sleeps in the v-berth, I think that adding this hatch for ventilation purposes would be unnecessary.  I do have one GB installed hatch on the forward cabin top, and a solar vent on the deck near the bow, and that seems to be enough.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
>> On Nov 29, 2019, at 3:50 PM, Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I was browsing through the rhodes22.org website and happened to stumble on a
>> photo of a hatch in the middle of the foredeck.  This is clearly a different
>> design than the hatches towards of the front of the cabin roof that are
>> installed by GB.  I assume that the normal hatch placement in the front of
>> the cabin roof was purposeful just like everything else, but I wasn't
>> certain about the reasoning.  Many other boat models do place a hatch on the
>> foredeck so that is not unusual.
>>
>> It seems like the placement in the middle of the foredeck would be good for
>> air flow, but it seems like sealing it would be challenging, particularly
>> with the raised middle portion of the foredeck and the recessed grip area on
>> either side.  Perhaps there could be structural support concerns as well.
>> My boat doesn't have a hatch but that could be a future project.  Does
>> anyone know how the hatch placement from this photo worked out and what
>> model hatch may have been used?  Thanks
>>
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/rhodes/pics/Gallant2.jpg
>>
>> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/Gallant2foredeckhatch.jpg>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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