From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Tue Oct  1 00:17:38 2019
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 00:17:38 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing Centerboard Gasket
In-Reply-To: <005001d577bf$aae15290$00a3f7b0$@ebsmed.com>
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Rick:

I am wondering whether you had the compression tubes installed on your centerboard. They might have prevented or reduced the damage to your cap. The tubes consist of a length of garden hose (about 6") that sit vertically in the channel above the centerboard pin. When the centerboard is pushed up they absorb the shock. It is easy to forget to install them.


Graham Stewart
Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
Kingston Ontario



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of mweisner at ebsmed.com
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 2:49 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing Centerboard Gasket

A lesson learned!  Not to rub salt in the wound, I didn't see the picture.

What a mess!

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Richard Stott
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 10:45 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing Centerboard Gasket

Boy do I have a gasket/cap project!
The attached photo shows what can happen  when the boat is launched with the Center Board line not cleated. 
Here is the story - and I?m sticking to it. 
I have had my ?84 Continental since I inherited it from my dad who bought it used in ?89. 
I have re-bult most of the interior and I use the boat a lot. 
For 6 years I?ve had it hauled and lunched professionally back and forth to my driveway. 
This year I finally completed that trailer rebuild project and hauled it for the first time on the rebuilt trailer. 
Everything went smoothly until the boat was out and I was not happy with the balance on the trailer. 
I decided to re-lauch and move the boat further toward the trailer tongue.
While the boat was out, I asked my helper to release the ?red? line on the bulkhead - I was going to begin de-rigging and roll up the jib fuller, but got distracted with the boat position. .
I meant the jib fuller, but my helper ( good sailer, but not familiar with the boat)  released the CB cleat (also red) which I didn?t realize. 
When we relaunched, the boat slid nicely off the trailer and into the shallow water at the ramp.
The CB deployed as the boat was moving backward - and hit the shallow bottom. 

Before we realized what happened, we had the boat back on the trailer.
Something was odd, but I didn?t know what. 
When we pulled it the 2nd time, the trailer tires looked flat and the trailer seemed even more unbalanced - it was also pouring water from the boat. 
I climbed on and discovered the CB popping through the CB trunk cap and water had filled the boat to the a few inches over the cabin sole floor.
We had managed to ?sink? Dadventure, right on its new trailer.   
Flooded the pull-out storage box, my tool box, multi-meter and lots of stuff that doesn?t like to be wet.
It broke  the 3/4? plywood sole cover in the process, which is an easy fix - the cap - not so much.
What a mess!

I was considering replacing my original CB with a Diamond Board - maybe now is the time. 
Can anyone explain the pros/cons of such a change? 
Can I get a new cap from Stan or do I have to rebuild one myself? 

I can tell you with certainty that the same thing will never happen again, but this is a major repair that I didn?t expect. 
Ric
 sv Dadventure 

Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
www.stottarchitecture.com
Office	631-283-1777
Cell		516-965-3164 





From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Tue Oct  1 09:26:43 2019
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 09:26:43 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing Centerboard Gasket
In-Reply-To: <001a01d5780f$290e4020$7b2ac060$@ca>
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HI Graham
IN 2014 I rebuilt the CB cap because it was cracked  at the top and leaking and  I replaced all the rigging, small turning blocks and line. 
I did not forget the 2 tubes. One tube was recovered from the bilge, the other remains MIA.
Can anyone sell me on the advantages of the Diamond board? 
I understand that it is not as prone to CB truck cap damage but does it perform as well? 
Anything else I should know? 
Has anyone converted themselves? 
Thanks 
Ric 
sv Dadventure 
 
Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
www.stottarchitecture.com
Office	631-283-1777
Cell		516-965-3164 





> On Oct 1, 2019, at 12:17 AM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> Rick:
> 
> I am wondering whether you had the compression tubes installed on your centerboard. They might have prevented or reduced the damage to your cap. The tubes consist of a length of garden hose (about 6") that sit vertically in the channel above the centerboard pin. When the centerboard is pushed up they absorb the shock. It is easy to forget to install them.
> 
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
> Kingston Ontario
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of mweisner at ebsmed.com
> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 2:49 PM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing Centerboard Gasket
> 
> A lesson learned!  Not to rub salt in the wound, I didn't see the picture.
> 
> What a mess!
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Richard Stott
> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 10:45 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing Centerboard Gasket
> 
> Boy do I have a gasket/cap project!
> The attached photo shows what can happen  when the boat is launched with the Center Board line not cleated. 
> Here is the story - and I?m sticking to it. 
> I have had my ?84 Continental since I inherited it from my dad who bought it used in ?89. 
> I have re-bult most of the interior and I use the boat a lot. 
> For 6 years I?ve had it hauled and lunched professionally back and forth to my driveway. 
> This year I finally completed that trailer rebuild project and hauled it for the first time on the rebuilt trailer. 
> Everything went smoothly until the boat was out and I was not happy with the balance on the trailer. 
> I decided to re-lauch and move the boat further toward the trailer tongue.
> While the boat was out, I asked my helper to release the ?red? line on the bulkhead - I was going to begin de-rigging and roll up the jib fuller, but got distracted with the boat position. .
> I meant the jib fuller, but my helper ( good sailer, but not familiar with the boat)  released the CB cleat (also red) which I didn?t realize. 
> When we relaunched, the boat slid nicely off the trailer and into the shallow water at the ramp.
> The CB deployed as the boat was moving backward - and hit the shallow bottom. 
> 
> Before we realized what happened, we had the boat back on the trailer.
> Something was odd, but I didn?t know what. 
> When we pulled it the 2nd time, the trailer tires looked flat and the trailer seemed even more unbalanced - it was also pouring water from the boat. 
> I climbed on and discovered the CB popping through the CB trunk cap and water had filled the boat to the a few inches over the cabin sole floor.
> We had managed to ?sink? Dadventure, right on its new trailer.   
> Flooded the pull-out storage box, my tool box, multi-meter and lots of stuff that doesn?t like to be wet.
> It broke  the 3/4? plywood sole cover in the process, which is an easy fix - the cap - not so much.
> What a mess!
> 
> I was considering replacing my original CB with a Diamond Board - maybe now is the time. 
> Can anyone explain the pros/cons of such a change? 
> Can I get a new cap from Stan or do I have to rebuild one myself? 
> 
> I can tell you with certainty that the same thing will never happen again, but this is a major repair that I didn?t expect. 
> Ric
> sv Dadventure 
> 
> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
> www.stottarchitecture.com
> Office	631-283-1777
> Cell		516-965-3164 
> 
> 
> 
> 


From joedempsey at hughes.net  Tue Oct  1 13:36:32 2019
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (JP Dempsey)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 10:36:32 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes and leaks!
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR07MB4378F786E61666C3991B0A01A6800@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAFTyJNVDEbWPciyx2+8BrmHewTarENAzORWR8VTF7420eU4vfw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1569951392779-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Before you convince yourself that its the deck joint, check your water tank.
Is a certified type sealed tank or a chintzy converted Rubbermaid storage
box with a snap on lid? If the latter, that's probably your problem if
you're sailing with a filled tank. That was my case. If you determine that
it's not the water tank (try sailing with a dry tank), then look at the deck
joint. You'll have to remove the rubrail. In my case, I had to replace the
rubrail anyway due to storm damage and it was just old and ugly! My boat has
a two piece rail by TACO Marine. (Semi Rigid Vinyl Rub Rail  Black
#V21-9678BKA 20? section Flexible Vinyl Insert (White) #V12-4144WHA 70?
section). These are simple to install and available an most marine
suppliers.  Once you have removed the rubrail, there is easy access to the
deck joint. I used a Dremel tool with a carbide cutter like a mini circular
saw to help remove the old sealant and cut a groove. It won't remove all of
the old stuff, but i think enough and a fresh groove to take the new
sealant. Some other Rhodies out there may have a better solution. I don't
know if my joint was leaking, but I know I have a dry bilge now!  Hope this
helps. 

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Insert_Installation_Tip3.jpg> 







-----
JP Dempsey
s/v Respite 
Rhodes 22 1989/2005
Deltaville,VA
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Tue Oct  1 20:17:01 2019
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 20:17:01 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes and leaks!
In-Reply-To: <1569951392779-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <CAFTyJNVDEbWPciyx2+8BrmHewTarENAzORWR8VTF7420eU4vfw@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CD21532A-1265-4620-AC63-6C80DF011A8F@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <004701d578b6$b6d856f0$248904d0$@ca>

Since I was doing a complete gut and rebuild I decided to glass the hull deck joint on the inside from the companionway to the bow. In addition I removed and replaced the sealant and installed a new rub rail. I have leaks that I am having trouble finding but not at the hull deck joint.

Graham Stewart
Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
Kingston Ontario




-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of JP Dempsey
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2019 1:37 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes and leaks!

Before you convince yourself that its the deck joint, check your water tank.
Is a certified type sealed tank or a chintzy converted Rubbermaid storage
box with a snap on lid? If the latter, that's probably your problem if
you're sailing with a filled tank. That was my case. If you determine that
it's not the water tank (try sailing with a dry tank), then look at the deck
joint. You'll have to remove the rubrail. In my case, I had to replace the
rubrail anyway due to storm damage and it was just old and ugly! My boat has
a two piece rail by TACO Marine. (Semi Rigid Vinyl Rub Rail  Black
#V21-9678BKA 20? section Flexible Vinyl Insert (White) #V12-4144WHA 70?
section). These are simple to install and available an most marine
suppliers.  Once you have removed the rubrail, there is easy access to the
deck joint. I used a Dremel tool with a carbide cutter like a mini circular
saw to help remove the old sealant and cut a groove. It won't remove all of
the old stuff, but i think enough and a fresh groove to take the new
sealant. Some other Rhodies out there may have a better solution. I don't
know if my joint was leaking, but I know I have a dry bilge now!  Hope this
helps. 

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Insert_Installation_Tip3.jpg> 







-----
JP Dempsey
s/v Respite 
Rhodes 22 1989/2005
Deltaville,VA
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From ksimolo at frontiernet.net  Tue Oct  1 21:50:30 2019
From: ksimolo at frontiernet.net (SpringHollow)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 18:50:30 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sail-Ease Upgrade for Tensioning the Main Sail
Message-ID: <1569981030554-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Hi, 

I remember seeing a post about someone's experience with an upgrade for
tensioning the Main Sail.  It was called Sail-Ease (not to be confused with
the lubricant).  Their initial impression was positive but they wanted to
use it some more.  I never saw anything more about it and do not find
anything doing a web search.  Was it useful?  Is it still for sale?

Thanks,

Ken



-----
1988 Rhodes 22 refurbed in 2008
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From joedempsey at hughes.net  Thu Oct  3 12:04:22 2019
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (JP Dempsey)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 09:04:22 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes and leaks!
In-Reply-To: <CAFTyJNVDEbWPciyx2+8BrmHewTarENAzORWR8VTF7420eU4vfw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFTyJNVDEbWPciyx2+8BrmHewTarENAzORWR8VTF7420eU4vfw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1570118662483-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

No you don't have to take boat off trailer. Just lower CB til it rests on
ground because you have to remove lanyard tube to get floor boards and CB
cap out.

While in the water, you can easily tell if gasket is leaking by running your
fingers around under flange. Water will also show up around screws. If you
end up replacing gasket, only tighten screws til snug. After launching,
gradually tighten till no water is seeping. Also NO SEALANT on gasket. These
were Stan's instructions and they would out great. My bilge is dry as a
bone.

Correct gasket is neoprene rubber and provides the best seal because it is
stiff enough, yet pliable enough to provide a good seal.  Cannot emphasize
enough need for fender washers both top and bottom. Lock washers not
necessary.

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Bilge_CB_Before.jpg> 




-----
JP Dempsey
s/v Respite 
Rhodes 22 1989/2005
Deltaville,VA
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From joedempsey at hughes.net  Thu Oct  3 12:08:29 2019
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (JP Dempsey)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 09:08:29 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes and leaks!
In-Reply-To: <CAFTyJNVDEbWPciyx2+8BrmHewTarENAzORWR8VTF7420eU4vfw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFTyJNVDEbWPciyx2+8BrmHewTarENAzORWR8VTF7420eU4vfw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1570118909199-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Sorry, wrong photo!

Also this is a good time to replace CB lanyard and blocks if needed.

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Bilge-CB_Trunk_After.jpg> 



-----
JP Dempsey
s/v Respite 
Rhodes 22 1989/2005
Deltaville,VA
--
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From joedempsey at hughes.net  Thu Oct  3 17:19:39 2019
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 14:19:39 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Battery Update
Message-ID: <1570137579576-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

The two Die Hard Deep Cycle marine batteries on Respite seem to be dying
(hard!) They were new in May 2011. My Siren MTC monitor is showing voltage
steadily dropping since July from 12.67 to 12.25 volts overnight reading. In
July, the daytime reading was around 12.71-12.72. Right now they are at
12.35 volts daytime and drop to 12.25 overnight. I will put a portable
charger on them for three hours next time I'm at the boat to see if they
will hold a charge. I just purchased two Duralast 29DP Deep Cycle Marine
batteries that were on sale from Autozone. I couldn't pass on the price of
$77! If the Die Hards haven't Died, i'll have a couple of good spares. 



-----
Joe Dempsey
s/v Respite 
Rhodes 22 1989/2005
Deltaville,VA
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From ksimolo at frontiernet.net  Sat Oct  5 19:43:29 2019
From: ksimolo at frontiernet.net (SpringHollow)
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2019 16:43:29 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes and leaks!
In-Reply-To: <1570118662483-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <CAFTyJNVDEbWPciyx2+8BrmHewTarENAzORWR8VTF7420eU4vfw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1570319009403-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

On my Rhodes trailer, the centerboard hits the axle/frame.  There is no
lowering it to the ground.

Ken



-----
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From mitchpadl at gmail.com  Sun Oct  6 08:15:20 2019
From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 08:15:20 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes and leaks!
In-Reply-To: <1570319009403-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <CAFTyJNVDEbWPciyx2+8BrmHewTarENAzORWR8VTF7420eU4vfw@mail.gmail.com>
 <1570118662483-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1570319009403-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <A29A41ED-926A-44AB-9D97-083F0D49082A@gmail.com>

Yep, same as mine.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 5, 2019, at 7:43 PM, SpringHollow <ksimolo at frontiernet.net> wrote:
> 
> On my Rhodes trailer, the centerboard hits the axle/frame.  There is no
> lowering it to the ground.
> 
> Ken
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> 1988 Rhodes 22 refurbed in 2008
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Sun Oct  6 15:15:05 2019
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 12:15:05 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan, if you are lurking
In-Reply-To: <1569342101191-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1569247263098-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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 <1569271591555-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <919832d8-11d6-117f-e9b5-2f3f5a7beb1f@generalboats.com>
 <1569342101191-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1570389305078-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

For those stuck finding or making unique parts for our boats:

The soft black plastic used by GB for many things is a marine grade HDPE
called ?Starboard?.   It is not great in sheer, but easy to work with
standard wood tools and requires no finishing.    The material arrived
Thursday from an online vendor, I went sailing last night after work.    

I believe my rudderhead may have been stressed by the outboard, while trying
to keep the Lark from drifting into its dock neighbor singlehanding in
strong crosswinds.    I will raise the rudder in these circumstances, since
speed is low.

An Australian I know online suggested G10 would be a stronger material.   I
understand why Stan didn?t use it.   It is more expensive.   The dust causes
cancer in California.    It requires tile saws or other specialized cutting
tools.   It must be painted for UV protection, but automotive plastic bumper
paint is supposed to work well.   I?m told 1/4? sheets are at least as
strong as similar thickness 6061 aluminum.   No plasma cutter is needed.   
That is my winter layup project.   The stock ?starboard? cheeks weigh about
5.5 pounds each, I will compare when done.   This is the material computer
motherboards are made out of, only thicker.   If you ever tried to break a
circuit board, you know how strong it is.   



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Alex Cole
S/V Lark
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From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Sun Oct  6 15:31:37 2019
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 19:31:37 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan, if you are lurking
In-Reply-To: <1570389305078-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1570389305078-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Starboard is a good product.


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On Oct 6, 2019, at 3:06 PM, S/V Lark <Colealexander at hotmail.com> wrote:

?For those stuck finding or making unique parts for our boats:

The soft black plastic used by GB for many things is a marine grade HDPE
called ?Starboard?.   It is not great in sheer, but easy to work with
standard wood tools and requires no finishing.    The material arrived
Thursday from an online vendor, I went sailing last night after work.

I believe my rudderhead may have been stressed by the outboard, while trying
to keep the Lark from drifting into its dock neighbor singlehanding in
strong crosswinds.    I will raise the rudder in these circumstances, since
speed is low.

An Australian I know online suggested G10 would be a stronger material.   I
understand why Stan didn?t use it.   It is more expensive.   The dust causes
cancer in California.    It requires tile saws or other specialized cutting
tools.   It must be painted for UV protection, but automotive plastic bumper
paint is supposed to work well.   I?m told 1/4? sheets are at least as
strong as similar thickness 6061 aluminum.   No plasma cutter is needed.
That is my winter layup project.   The stock ?starboard? cheeks weigh about
5.5 pounds each, I will compare when done.   This is the material computer
motherboards are made out of, only thicker.   If you ever tried to break a
circuit board, you know how strong it is.



-----
Alex Cole
S/V Lark
--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Mon Oct  7 17:22:21 2019
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 17:22:21 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan, if you are lurking
In-Reply-To: <1570389305078-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1569247263098-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1da73e8b-985f-266d-d8d1-1619190041c5@generalboats.com>
 <1569271591555-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <919832d8-11d6-117f-e9b5-2f3f5a7beb1f@generalboats.com>
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Message-ID: <283CAAFC-A2E6-4986-97B2-1123D82A389C@sunnybeeches.com>

My rudder cheeks are made of some sort of plastic.  While I?m not sure exactly what it is, it?s definitely not Starboard.  As Alex said, Starboard feels kind of soft, and this material is harder. Personally, I wouldn?t be comfortable using Starboard in this application, but that?s just a gut reaction.

Alex didn?t mention which online vendor he used, but McMaster-Carr is a source I?ve used not only for Starboard, but all kinds of hardware and materials for the boat.

If you want to consider using aluminum, you can get that from McMaster as well.  Aluminum can be cut with wood blades.  Carbide blades are generally recommended, but non-carbide blades will work (but probably dull much more quickly than when used with wood).

Apparently everything causes cancer in California.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On Oct 6, 2019, at 3:15 PM, S/V Lark <Colealexander at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> For those stuck finding or making unique parts for our boats:
> 
> The soft black plastic used by GB for many things is a marine grade HDPE
> called ?Starboard?.   It is not great in sheer, but easy to work with
> standard wood tools and requires no finishing.    The material arrived
> Thursday from an online vendor, I went sailing last night after work.    
> 
> I believe my rudderhead may have been stressed by the outboard, while trying
> to keep the Lark from drifting into its dock neighbor singlehanding in
> strong crosswinds.    I will raise the rudder in these circumstances, since
> speed is low.
> 
> An Australian I know online suggested G10 would be a stronger material.   I
> understand why Stan didn?t use it.   It is more expensive.   The dust causes
> cancer in California.    It requires tile saws or other specialized cutting
> tools.   It must be painted for UV protection, but automotive plastic bumper
> paint is supposed to work well.   I?m told 1/4? sheets are at least as
> strong as similar thickness 6061 aluminum.   No plasma cutter is needed.   
> That is my winter layup project.   The stock ?starboard? cheeks weigh about
> 5.5 pounds each, I will compare when done.   This is the material computer
> motherboards are made out of, only thicker.   If you ever tried to break a
> circuit board, you know how strong it is.   
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> Alex Cole
> S/V Lark
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/


From tvpolise at aol.com  Mon Oct  7 18:57:37 2019
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 18:57:37 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer
Message-ID: <33E518F2-C912-40BB-A429-C6B93086D1E8@aol.com>

Looking for used Triad trailer for Rhodes 22 in NY/NJ/Conn/Pa area. 

Sent from my iPhone

From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Mon Oct  7 22:38:54 2019
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 19:38:54 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan, if you are lurking
In-Reply-To: <283CAAFC-A2E6-4986-97B2-1123D82A389C@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <1569247263098-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1da73e8b-985f-266d-d8d1-1619190041c5@generalboats.com>
 <1569271591555-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <919832d8-11d6-117f-e9b5-2f3f5a7beb1f@generalboats.com>
 <1569342101191-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1570389305078-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <283CAAFC-A2E6-4986-97B2-1123D82A389C@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <1570502334903-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

eter.

I used TAP plastics for the starboard, they sold custom sizes which reduced
shipping costs.   For the small amount I needed, it was cheaper.   My
2002/2016 refit definitely used Starboard.   I x-rayed the unbroken cheek
but couldn?t identify a matching stress crack.    
Grainger supplied the  G10.    I?ll see how that goes.    
I tried a local metal shop with no marine experience.   He encouraged me to
stick to original material, I think this was out of ignorance, caution, and
unwillingness to mess with high strength aluminum alloy for a small job.   I
lacked the courage to try myself, and was worried about stainless corroding
against aluminum if I make it to saltwater someday.   I know just enough
about metal and galvanic indexes to be dangerous.
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t691/19B7E2BE-6895-45BE-80BC-676442457F29.gif> 
Alex




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From challey52 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  8 10:14:14 2019
From: challey52 at gmail.com (Charlie S)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 10:14:14 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 advice sought
Message-ID: <CADNJ_D=X8kjEWHPCeBrOd2o3GCQF6v0A7TG1XUrj7JYF62UBCw@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings from a first-time poster and novice sailor. I'll apologize up
front for the length of the post and hope I'm not transgressing any forum
norms.

A bit of background is probably worthwhile. My wife retired a while back
and I joined her this past May, so we both now have time for leisure
activities. I?ve always wanted to sail and to that end, started crewing at
a local sailing club where I also got my ASA Basic Keelboat cert. I?ve been
bitten by the sailing bug and want to spend more time on the water. I also
want to bring both my [reluctant] wife and our sole remaining home
companion (a young Welsh Springer Spaniel) along. With travel also on the
cards, it seems logical to combine things, bringing me to the consideration
of a trailerable cruiser. The tow vehicle is an older Volvo XC-90 V8 with a
nominal capacity of 5,000 lbs.

I anticipate very mixed sailing use. As noted, we are recent retirees, so
have a great deal of flexibility regarding time. My location (near
Philadelphia) affords easy access to a number of excellent sailing
opportunities. We?re only a few miles from the Delaware River, and 30 miles
from Delaware City on the Bay. Barnegat Bay on the Jersey shore is an hour
away. The Chesapeake is not much further, and two of the Great Lakes (Erie
and Ontario) are both less than 400 miles away. I?d love to get to Florida
during the cold weather months; my brother winters near Sarasota, so we
have land quarters available on the Gulf. Time in the Keys may also be on
the cards. All that said, it's likely the boat will spend quite a bit of
time at a slip on the Chessie (from late spring to early fall), and only
travel during during the colder months.

I?ve done some background research online and via those outdated
communication artifacts known as books and magazines. From that, I
developed a fairly lengthy preliminary list of candidates of which the
Rhodes 22 is near the top.  The criteria include livability (a boat that
two can comfortably sleep in for a few days and has room enough for a
medium sized dog); ease of launch and recovery; ability to rig and sail
single-handedly; availability of support - parts, information, and a
manufacturer that?s still around to allow easier access to any needed
proprietary parts.

While I haven't ruled any boat absolutely out of consideration, the Rhodes
22 ticks nearly all the boxes. The Rhodes has a number of very appealing
features: In-mast mainsail furling system, the larger cockpit & traveler
location, large cockpit decently laid out cabin with pop-top, robust
rigging, flotation and an enthusiastic sailing base.

As far as budget, the target is roughly $10k for boat, trailer and o/b. As
to in-person viewing, I was at the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum auction
last month saw a few boats firsthand, one of which is on was a ?95 Rhodes
22. While the boat seemed reasonably sound, I did not know enough to
considering bidding. While I think she went for just over $1,000, with a
trailer (that seemed in questionable shape), she needed new sails, some
rigging and an outboard. I?ll be at the Annapolis boat show next month and
hope to have the chance to demo sail a Rhodes 22.

Some specific questions:

   - The mainsail mast furling system seems to be a big plus that can make
   solo handling much easier. Is that truly the case?
   - I?m seeing quite a number of recycled Rhodes 22?s offered for sale. I
   know what the GB website says about their recycle program but does that
   make a boat built in say, 1987 and recycled in 2015, more like a four year
   old boat than a 32 year old one?
   - Mast raising ? some of what I read indicates that stepping the mast
   single-handedly is difficult and that an electric mast raising system is
   really needed. True, mostly true or blarney?
   - Can the Rhodes handle limited coastal cruising (assuming a competent
   skipper)? My definition of limited is the Gulf, maybe the Keys or very
   short stints off the NJ coast.
   - Specific advice relative to purchasing a Rhodes 22.

Any and all advice and suggestions gratefully accepted.


Charlie

From melrothbard at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  8 10:43:13 2019
From: melrothbard at yahoo.com (Melvyn Rothbard)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 14:43:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 advice sought
In-Reply-To: <CADNJ_D=X8kjEWHPCeBrOd2o3GCQF6v0A7TG1XUrj7JYF62UBCw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNJ_D=X8kjEWHPCeBrOd2o3GCQF6v0A7TG1XUrj7JYF62UBCw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <513820705.5316788.1570545793034@mail.yahoo.com>

I sail in Barnegat bay and primarily singlehand. The boat is a dream to sail.? My boat is a "96" and has been refitted twice by Stan at General boats (once in 2005 and just this past winter).? I can't speak to the sleeping quarters as I only day sail and do not have a trailer.? I can attest to the single handed ability to raise and lower the mast with Stan's rigging system. I am 78 and just this past weekend de-rigged the boat myself. I will do the same next May.? I actually do all my rigging while the boat is in the water.? As for a "kicker", I use an 8hp Merc 2 stroke which moves the boat quite nicely on the bay.? I would have no hesitation to take her out in the ocean except that the closest inlet to me is about a 2 1/2 hour sail away.? I would certainly look closely at the Rhodes 22 at the show (and take your wife if she plans to sail with you).? I know that Stan will be at the show with one or two boats.? You really can't go wrong with the Rhodes.Mel Rothbard
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    On Tuesday, October 8, 2019, 10:14:35 AM EDT, Charlie S <challey52 at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Greetings from a first-time poster and novice sailor. I'll apologize up
front for the length of the post and hope I'm not transgressing any forum
norms.

A bit of background is probably worthwhile. My wife retired a while back
and I joined her this past May, so we both now have time for leisure
activities. I?ve always wanted to sail and to that end, started crewing at
a local sailing club where I also got my ASA Basic Keelboat cert. I?ve been
bitten by the sailing bug and want to spend more time on the water. I also
want to bring both my [reluctant] wife and our sole remaining home
companion (a young Welsh Springer Spaniel) along. With travel also on the
cards, it seems logical to combine things, bringing me to the consideration
of a trailerable cruiser. The tow vehicle is an older Volvo XC-90 V8 with a
nominal capacity of 5,000 lbs.

I anticipate very mixed sailing use. As noted, we are recent retirees, so
have a great deal of flexibility regarding time. My location (near
Philadelphia) affords easy access to a number of excellent sailing
opportunities. We?re only a few miles from the Delaware River, and 30 miles
from Delaware City on the Bay. Barnegat Bay on the Jersey shore is an hour
away. The Chesapeake is not much further, and two of the Great Lakes (Erie
and Ontario) are both less than 400 miles away. I?d love to get to Florida
during the cold weather months; my brother winters near Sarasota, so we
have land quarters available on the Gulf. Time in the Keys may also be on
the cards. All that said, it's likely the boat will spend quite a bit of
time at a slip on the Chessie (from late spring to early fall), and only
travel during during the colder months.

I?ve done some background research online and via those outdated
communication artifacts known as books and magazines. From that, I
developed a fairly lengthy preliminary list of candidates of which the
Rhodes 22 is near the top.? The criteria include livability (a boat that
two can comfortably sleep in for a few days and has room enough for a
medium sized dog); ease of launch and recovery; ability to rig and sail
single-handedly; availability of support - parts, information, and a
manufacturer that?s still around to allow easier access to any needed
proprietary parts.

While I haven't ruled any boat absolutely out of consideration, the Rhodes
22 ticks nearly all the boxes. The Rhodes has a number of very appealing
features: In-mast mainsail furling system, the larger cockpit & traveler
location, large cockpit decently laid out cabin with pop-top, robust
rigging, flotation and an enthusiastic sailing base.

As far as budget, the target is roughly $10k for boat, trailer and o/b. As
to in-person viewing, I was at the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum auction
last month saw a few boats firsthand, one of which is on was a ?95 Rhodes
22. While the boat seemed reasonably sound, I did not know enough to
considering bidding. While I think she went for just over $1,000, with a
trailer (that seemed in questionable shape), she needed new sails, some
rigging and an outboard. I?ll be at the Annapolis boat show next month and
hope to have the chance to demo sail a Rhodes 22.

Some specific questions:

? - The mainsail mast furling system seems to be a big plus that can make
? solo handling much easier. Is that truly the case?
? - I?m seeing quite a number of recycled Rhodes 22?s offered for sale. I
? know what the GB website says about their recycle program but does that
? make a boat built in say, 1987 and recycled in 2015, more like a four year
? old boat than a 32 year old one?
? - Mast raising ? some of what I read indicates that stepping the mast
? single-handedly is difficult and that an electric mast raising system is
? really needed. True, mostly true or blarney?
? - Can the Rhodes handle limited coastal cruising (assuming a competent
? skipper)? My definition of limited is the Gulf, maybe the Keys or very
? short stints off the NJ coast.
? - Specific advice relative to purchasing a Rhodes 22.

Any and all advice and suggestions gratefully accepted.


Charlie  

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Tue Oct  8 11:16:49 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 10:16:49 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 advice sought
In-Reply-To: <CADNJ_D=X8kjEWHPCeBrOd2o3GCQF6v0A7TG1XUrj7JYF62UBCw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNJ_D=X8kjEWHPCeBrOd2o3GCQF6v0A7TG1XUrj7JYF62UBCw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiWO1bkj_fMu5W1P+4SeQW6pOqEQQfY+kdYr9bJXRanuBg@mail.gmail.com>

Welcome Charlie,
                          I think that you can't go wrong going with a
Rhodes.  If you are 26 years old like I was when I first bought my Rhodes,
or 55 like I was when I bought my 2nd Rhodes, or 69 like I am now and still
sailing (and plan to continue like Mel), you can't go wrong.  So after 43
years of sailing a Rhodes 22 all over the Chesapeake, The Canadian West
coast, the Pacific NW, Assorted western lakes and a few larger ones back
east and the Sea of Cortes, in Mexico, and the Bahamas, I can say without
hesitation it is a wonderful handling and safe boat.  We have trailered the
boat with a 1996 F150 6 cyl. with the same towing capacity that you have to
all the above locations.  (eventually we did up grade to a 12 year old F250
diesel).
  My wife loves our Rhodes so much that when we sold everything and moved
onto a Catalina 38 to live full time on a boat she refused to sell our
Rhodes.  Sell the house, no problem, cars and all the crap of 45 years of
marriage no problem.  But sell the Rhodes?  Fo' getta 'bout it.  Instead
she suggested we ship it over to the Med and use it as a summer boat. So,
these last 3 years we have lived aboard it in the summer months in Spain,
France, Italy and Greece.

Without a doubt, whatever you spend on a Rhodes 22 it will be the best
money you ever spent.  If you are interested in knowing more about cruising
while retired with a Rhodes and more about General Boats, Stan, and the
community of the Rhodes owners, you can contact me offline.  Again, Welcome!

Chris & Alice Geankoplis
S/V ENOSIS

On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 9:14 AM Charlie S <challey52 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Greetings from a first-time poster and novice sailor. I'll apologize up
> front for the length of the post and hope I'm not transgressing any forum
> norms.
>
> A bit of background is probably worthwhile. My wife retired a while back
> and I joined her this past May, so we both now have time for leisure
> activities. I?ve always wanted to sail and to that end, started crewing at
> a local sailing club where I also got my ASA Basic Keelboat cert. I?ve been
> bitten by the sailing bug and want to spend more time on the water. I also
> want to bring both my [reluctant] wife and our sole remaining home
> companion (a young Welsh Springer Spaniel) along. With travel also on the
> cards, it seems logical to combine things, bringing me to the consideration
> of a trailerable cruiser. The tow vehicle is an older Volvo XC-90 V8 with a
> nominal capacity of 5,000 lbs.
>
> I anticipate very mixed sailing use. As noted, we are recent retirees, so
> have a great deal of flexibility regarding time. My location (near
> Philadelphia) affords easy access to a number of excellent sailing
> opportunities. We?re only a few miles from the Delaware River, and 30 miles
> from Delaware City on the Bay. Barnegat Bay on the Jersey shore is an hour
> away. The Chesapeake is not much further, and two of the Great Lakes (Erie
> and Ontario) are both less than 400 miles away. I?d love to get to Florida
> during the cold weather months; my brother winters near Sarasota, so we
> have land quarters available on the Gulf. Time in the Keys may also be on
> the cards. All that said, it's likely the boat will spend quite a bit of
> time at a slip on the Chessie (from late spring to early fall), and only
> travel during during the colder months.
>
> I?ve done some background research online and via those outdated
> communication artifacts known as books and magazines. From that, I
> developed a fairly lengthy preliminary list of candidates of which the
> Rhodes 22 is near the top.  The criteria include livability (a boat that
> two can comfortably sleep in for a few days and has room enough for a
> medium sized dog); ease of launch and recovery; ability to rig and sail
> single-handedly; availability of support - parts, information, and a
> manufacturer that?s still around to allow easier access to any needed
> proprietary parts.
>
> While I haven't ruled any boat absolutely out of consideration, the Rhodes
> 22 ticks nearly all the boxes. The Rhodes has a number of very appealing
> features: In-mast mainsail furling system, the larger cockpit & traveler
> location, large cockpit decently laid out cabin with pop-top, robust
> rigging, flotation and an enthusiastic sailing base.
>
> As far as budget, the target is roughly $10k for boat, trailer and o/b. As
> to in-person viewing, I was at the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum auction
> last month saw a few boats firsthand, one of which is on was a ?95 Rhodes
> 22. While the boat seemed reasonably sound, I did not know enough to
> considering bidding. While I think she went for just over $1,000, with a
> trailer (that seemed in questionable shape), she needed new sails, some
> rigging and an outboard. I?ll be at the Annapolis boat show next month and
> hope to have the chance to demo sail a Rhodes 22.
>
> Some specific questions:
>
>    - The mainsail mast furling system seems to be a big plus that can make
>    solo handling much easier. Is that truly the case?
>    - I?m seeing quite a number of recycled Rhodes 22?s offered for sale. I
>    know what the GB website says about their recycle program but does that
>    make a boat built in say, 1987 and recycled in 2015, more like a four
> year
>    old boat than a 32 year old one?
>    - Mast raising ? some of what I read indicates that stepping the mast
>    single-handedly is difficult and that an electric mast raising system is
>    really needed. True, mostly true or blarney?
>    - Can the Rhodes handle limited coastal cruising (assuming a competent
>    skipper)? My definition of limited is the Gulf, maybe the Keys or very
>    short stints off the NJ coast.
>    - Specific advice relative to purchasing a Rhodes 22.
>
> Any and all advice and suggestions gratefully accepted.
>
>
> Charlie
>

From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Tue Oct  8 11:35:08 2019
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 11:35:08 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 advice sought
In-Reply-To: <CADNJ_D=X8kjEWHPCeBrOd2o3GCQF6v0A7TG1XUrj7JYF62UBCw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <a09be3cb-f67b-d152-e376-7c0a50eaf02e@atlanticbb.net>

My husband and I had a R22 for 18 years, most of that on the Chesapeake. 
I'll try to answer your specific questions but also add a word of 
caution about your proposed tow vehicle. If the Volvo is truly 5000 lbs, 
you should be OK but it's close. We towed and launched ours for several 
years with a 4 wheel drive Chev. Blazer that had a 5000 lb towing 
capacity. It was OK but we felt a whole lot better when we moved to a 
Nissan Frontier with a 6300 two capacity. Like I said you are probably 
OK but be cautious. Front wheel drive could be a problem on ramps.

In answer to your questions:
> Some specific questions:
>
>     - The mainsail mast furling system seems to be a big plus that can make
>     solo handling much easier. Is that truly the case?
Yes. The mainsail furling system does sacrifice some pointing ability 
but the sail can be easily set for the wind conditions and you can make 
up for some of the pointing ability if you have track inside the shrouds 
for the genoa. We had the 175 genoa and were happy with it but many 
Rhodies have gone to a 150 or a 135 and those should also help you point 
better if you have the track inside the shrouds or on the cabin top. We 
had both.

>     - I?m seeing quite a number of recycled Rhodes 22?s offered for sale. I
>     know what the GB website says about their recycle program but does that
>     make a boat built in say, 1987 and recycled in 2015, more like a four year
>     old boat than a 32 year old one?

The recycled boats look like new. The hulls are sound and because you 
can customize as you want almost anything else can be new as well. When 
we bought our recycled boat in 1998, we ordered new sails. I don't 
believe our rigging was new but we didn't replace it for another 10 years.

>     - Mast raising ? some of what I read indicates that stepping the mast
>     single-handedly is difficult and that an electric mast raising system is
>     really needed. True, mostly true or blarney?

Mast raising is time consuming but simple with the General Boats mast 
raising system (which is not electric). We generally only did it in the 
spring and fall so we were checking and rechecking instructions. It 
would take us about 90 minutes including packing or unpacking the boat 
for travel.



>     - Can the Rhodes handle limited coastal cruising (assuming a competent
>     skipper)? My definition of limited is the Gulf, maybe the Keys or very
>     short stints off the NJ coast.

Absolutely. They have been sailed to the Bahamas and there is one that 
was shipped to the Mediterranean and has made it's way via the coast 
from Spain to Greece. Look up Chris Geankoplis in the mail list 
archives. His Mediterranean adventures reports over the past couple of 
years make great reading.


>     - Specific advice relative to purchasing a Rhodes 22.
I'll leave this to others who have purchased a boat more recently.

Best of luck and enjoy the boat show.

Mary Lou
ex Rhodes 22
now Rosborough RF-246
Rock Hall, MD



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From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Tue Oct  8 12:07:10 2019
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 16:07:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 advice sought
In-Reply-To: <CADNJ_D=X8kjEWHPCeBrOd2o3GCQF6v0A7TG1XUrj7JYF62UBCw@mail.gmail.com>
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everybody is in agreement, my wife and I also love our R22 . Done some modifying to it for our cruising ,storage and a ups sail and spinnaker for light winds and just fun to play with ! All your concerns seem to be the Rhodes 22 strong points.? Hope to meet you a the boat show will be there Sat and Sun ?
?Mark and Connie West?s/v Fairwind II? Hertford NC. ?


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlie S <challey52 at gmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tue, Oct 8, 2019 10:14 am
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 advice sought

Greetings from a first-time poster and novice sailor. I'll apologize up
front for the length of the post and hope I'm not transgressing any forum
norms.

A bit of background is probably worthwhile. My wife retired a while back
and I joined her this past May, so we both now have time for leisure
activities. I?ve always wanted to sail and to that end, started crewing at
a local sailing club where I also got my ASA Basic Keelboat cert. I?ve been
bitten by the sailing bug and want to spend more time on the water. I also
want to bring both my [reluctant] wife and our sole remaining home
companion (a young Welsh Springer Spaniel) along. With travel also on the
cards, it seems logical to combine things, bringing me to the consideration
of a trailerable cruiser. The tow vehicle is an older Volvo XC-90 V8 with a
nominal capacity of 5,000 lbs.

I anticipate very mixed sailing use. As noted, we are recent retirees, so
have a great deal of flexibility regarding time. My location (near
Philadelphia) affords easy access to a number of excellent sailing
opportunities. We?re only a few miles from the Delaware River, and 30 miles
from Delaware City on the Bay. Barnegat Bay on the Jersey shore is an hour
away. The Chesapeake is not much further, and two of the Great Lakes (Erie
and Ontario) are both less than 400 miles away. I?d love to get to Florida
during the cold weather months; my brother winters near Sarasota, so we
have land quarters available on the Gulf. Time in the Keys may also be on
the cards. All that said, it's likely the boat will spend quite a bit of
time at a slip on the Chessie (from late spring to early fall), and only
travel during during the colder months.

I?ve done some background research online and via those outdated
communication artifacts known as books and magazines. From that, I
developed a fairly lengthy preliminary list of candidates of which the
Rhodes 22 is near the top.? The criteria include livability (a boat that
two can comfortably sleep in for a few days and has room enough for a
medium sized dog); ease of launch and recovery; ability to rig and sail
single-handedly; availability of support - parts, information, and a
manufacturer that?s still around to allow easier access to any needed
proprietary parts.

While I haven't ruled any boat absolutely out of consideration, the Rhodes
22 ticks nearly all the boxes. The Rhodes has a number of very appealing
features: In-mast mainsail furling system, the larger cockpit & traveler
location, large cockpit decently laid out cabin with pop-top, robust
rigging, flotation and an enthusiastic sailing base.

As far as budget, the target is roughly $10k for boat, trailer and o/b. As
to in-person viewing, I was at the Chesapeake Bay Maritime Museum auction
last month saw a few boats firsthand, one of which is on was a ?95 Rhodes
22. While the boat seemed reasonably sound, I did not know enough to
considering bidding. While I think she went for just over $1,000, with a
trailer (that seemed in questionable shape), she needed new sails, some
rigging and an outboard. I?ll be at the Annapolis boat show next month and
hope to have the chance to demo sail a Rhodes 22.

Some specific questions:

? - The mainsail mast furling system seems to be a big plus that can make
? solo handling much easier. Is that truly the case?
? - I?m seeing quite a number of recycled Rhodes 22?s offered for sale. I
? know what the GB website says about their recycle program but does that
? make a boat built in say, 1987 and recycled in 2015, more like a four year
? old boat than a 32 year old one?
? - Mast raising ? some of what I read indicates that stepping the mast
? single-handedly is difficult and that an electric mast raising system is
? really needed. True, mostly true or blarney?
? - Can the Rhodes handle limited coastal cruising (assuming a competent
? skipper)? My definition of limited is the Gulf, maybe the Keys or very
? short stints off the NJ coast.
? - Specific advice relative to purchasing a Rhodes 22.

Any and all advice and suggestions gratefully accepted.


Charlie

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Tue Oct  8 16:50:01 2019
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 16:50:01 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 advice sought
In-Reply-To: <CADNJ_D=X8kjEWHPCeBrOd2o3GCQF6v0A7TG1XUrj7JYF62UBCw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNJ_D=X8kjEWHPCeBrOd2o3GCQF6v0A7TG1XUrj7JYF62UBCw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <71940BE1-34DD-4054-8087-B48D0E93C919@sunnybeeches.com>

Charlie,

Chris G. has already answered your question in the affirmative with more authority than I could ever possess, but let me assure you that coastal cruising can be done on a Rhodes 22 by people with much less experience than Chris has.  

I bought my recycled Rhodes from General Boats in 2016.  I had done some sailing with my family as a teenager in the 1960?s, but nothing much since. I started doing multi-day cruises right away, and by this point what I mostly do is week-long excursions.  I keep the boat on a mooring in Groton, CT, and my cruises have taken me to ports from Port Jefferson, NY to Nantucket. 

 I?ve documented many of my trips, as well as a variety of boat projects on a YouTube channel.  If you?re interested, you should be able to find it by searching YouTube for ?s/v Silverheels?.

Good luck on your adventure, whatever path you choose.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

>   - Can the Rhodes handle limited coastal cruising (assuming a competent
>   skipper)? My definition of limited is the Gulf, maybe the Keys or very
>   short stints off the NJ coast.
> 
> Charlie


From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Tue Oct  8 20:41:34 2019
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 17:41:34 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 advice sought
In-Reply-To: <CADNJ_D=X8kjEWHPCeBrOd2o3GCQF6v0A7TG1XUrj7JYF62UBCw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNJ_D=X8kjEWHPCeBrOd2o3GCQF6v0A7TG1XUrj7JYF62UBCw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1570581694689-0.post@n5.nabble.com>


Mary Lou wrote the book (at least a chapter of a good book).    Sailing
Small is a good collection of people using small boats well, instead of
fools trying to become a YouTube sensation.   For the goals you list, I
wanted a boat with integral flotation and a keel I could trust not to pivot
up in a knockdown.   Since I wanted my significant other to join me often, I
knew I needed a head.    

I?ve had my Rhodes 22 for almost four years.   I have several years
experience on small boats,  mostly a fast tender dinghy (Bucc 18).   This is
the first year work and life prevented a cruise.   I?ve played on Kentucky
Lake,  Stan?s corner of the Abermarle, parts of Michigan and Erie, either
with my GF or alone.    It works well for a couple, I haven?t been brave
enough to try a cruise with a dog.   It?s shallow draft is great for
Kentucky Lake in the fall, or Erie.   It?s ok to solo launch or trailer, I
wouldn?t want to go much bigger or heavier.   I intend to cruise more when I
retire, and planned ahead with this boat.    I would consider investing in a
double axle trailer for your longer road trips.     

I mostly single hand daysail, though had small groups out several times
either on my home puddle or meeting friends at destinations.      I think
I?ve logged about 30 day or night sails on this boat (plus a handful on the
old boat) since April and had 10 first time passengers.    The large cockpit
is great for this.  IMO convenience is the benefit of in mast furling, for
long coastal hops a traditional main with jiffy reefing becomes less
inconvenient.   Furling the Rhodes alone in the dark with only a crescent
moon is a breeze.    The mast is a bit heavy, and she may not be the best in
heavy wind venues, but you don?t live near San Francisco Bay.    The Rhodes
completely satisfied my goal of dramatically increasing my weather window
and allowing sails when I had limited pockets of time.       

Chris Geankoplis is living the dream.   Track down his postings to see the
potential of the boat as a pocket cruiser.    Then share your adventures, so
us working stiffs can admire and dream.  


Alex 



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From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  9 11:57:15 2019
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 08:57:15 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 advice sought
In-Reply-To: <71940BE1-34DD-4054-8087-B48D0E93C919@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <CADNJ_D=X8kjEWHPCeBrOd2o3GCQF6v0A7TG1XUrj7JYF62UBCw@mail.gmail.com>
 <71940BE1-34DD-4054-8087-B48D0E93C919@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <1570636635382-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Peter.    
I found your videos,  some nice scenery and beautiful sails.    Something to
look at when the state forces me to trailer for winter layup in a couple
weeks.     
Alex



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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Wed Oct  9 20:53:47 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 19:53:47 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 advice sought
In-Reply-To: <1570636635382-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <CADNJ_D=X8kjEWHPCeBrOd2o3GCQF6v0A7TG1XUrj7JYF62UBCw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CADNTwiVYFPakVhJJt5mDBXEuH9-easc-WN+89rZNmgXRdPZK-g@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Alex,
So glad I can bring a bit of sunshine (well sort of) to the cold winter
months.  Still need to post Sicily, southern Ionian Italy and Ionian Greece.

Chris G

On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 10:48 AM S/V Lark <Colealexander at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Peter.
> I found your videos,  some nice scenery and beautiful sails.    Something
> to
> look at when the state forces me to trailer for winter layup in a couple
> weeks.
> Alex
>
>
>
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From mark at whipplefamily.com  Wed Oct  9 22:40:39 2019
From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 22:40:39 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] ANOTHER first sail on my R22
In-Reply-To: <CADNJ_D=X8kjEWHPCeBrOd2o3GCQF6v0A7TG1XUrj7JYF62UBCw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNJ_D=X8kjEWHPCeBrOd2o3GCQF6v0A7TG1XUrj7JYF62UBCw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+WP5ARp5QxEHcN4D1rzFH94gU14x1nnDgttVw7VUd3ebcATFQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

I'm jumping on the bandwagon to tell you about my first sail on my R22!
This is a long post so only read it if you have the time to be (hopefully!)
entertained for a bit.

I purchased this boat at the beginning of July in a town in central
Massachusetts. For a variety of reasons I did not launch this boat until
10/1. I a some fun stories about raising the mast for the first time but
I'll save that for another time.

I currently own three sailboats, as long as you don't count the two
dinghies that can also sail. My largest boat, a Nimble 30 yawl designed by
Ted Brewer, is currently for sale. I really love the boat but I wanted to
downsize as I approach retirement. I did not launch the Nimble this year
although she was in the water last year. My third boat is a Com-pac 16 that
lives most of the time on Cape Cod. This year I was granted a mooring in
Pleasant Bay on the Chatham/Harwich/Orleans border.

I wanted to downsize from the Nimble 30 to sailboat on a trailer and after
some research it seemed the Rhodes 22 was a good fit for me. I came close
to purchasing a Seaward 25' but I'm very glad I ended up with the R22
instead. Currently I own a RAV4 Ltd with towing package, and I will be
using that vehicle to launch and haul Tiny Dancer at my boat club on Boston
Harbor. The long term plan is to replace the RAV 4 with Highlander that can
tow the R22 on the highway. BTW this R22 is a little unique: she has wheel
steering, a self-tending jib with a Hoyt jib boom and an internal 15 hp.
gas engine with a Saildrive underneath. She will soon receive the name
"Tiny Dancer."

After hauling the Compac 16 on 9/14 I then set my sights on launching the
R22. I at least wanted to have a test run before the winter. I'm a middle
school technology teacher and I had two days off from school on 9/30 and
10/1. I first tried to launch the boat on Mon. 9/30 (we had raised the mast
a couple of weeks earlier). Unfortunately we ran out of time. It was a plus
tide so the boat yard became partially flooded at high tide. Getting the
tongue extension to come out took  quite a bit of time and effort and was
the main cause for our delay in launching.

The next day a friend and I went down closer to low tide and tried to
launch the boat. We were on the boat club's main ramp which is long and
fairly flat. Unfortunately it was too flat. It didn't look like we were
going to get deep enough to launch until I backed up just a bit more and
the trailer seemed to fall into a hole on one side. Then the boat floated
off. Later analysis suggests that I either backed into a big hole in the
ram or I actually went off the end of the paved ramp.

Once the boat was floating I started the engine. It ran but didn't idle and
would stall when I put the boat in gear. I decided I would just haul the
boat back out and be done with it until next year. However by this point I
couldn't get the trailer in deep enough because now the water was much
higher. Boston Harbor typically has tides around 9 - 10 ft., but this tide
was close to 12 ft. It even flooded the main artery road next to the boat
club. I knew even if I could, I shouldn't put the trailer back in as far as
I did when launching. There was a good chance of causing damage to the
trailer if I tried to pull it past some kind of obstruction with a 3100 lb
boat on it.

The boat sat on the floating dock near the launch ramp overnight. I came
back the next day and the direction of the wind was now much more favorable
for sailing to the club dock or even my mooring. The forecast said NNE
winds 10-15 kts gusts to 20 kts. I don't think I saw whitecaps but it was
pretty breezy.

My first sail was getting the boat from the launch doc to the leeward side
of the club doc. After that it got too dark to get out to my mooring -
especially because I wasn't certain where the mooring had been dropped this
year. When heading to the main dock had just the bare minimum of jib and
main out, in part because I was sailing almost dead downwind. I reached the
dock and immediately realized my boat would be much better off on the
leeward side (the dock was essentially perpendicular to the wind).

I got the boat around to the other side of the dock but had trouble tacking
(because now the dock was upwind) so I turned the boat by gybing.
Eventually I realized I needed to roll out more main, but by that time I
had got the boat on a good tack which let me land it on the dock. A bow
line, stern line, springer lead from the bow cleat and a couple big fenders
secured her until I could get back to move her to the mooring. Of course I
never found my mooring but picked up another that wasn't in use.

I hope to haul Tiny Dancer on the trailer this coming Monday (Columbus
Day/Indigenous Peoples' Day). I've been told there's a second ramp at my
boat club that is twice the slope of the main ramp. The secondary ramp has
no dock, so the logistics promise to get interesting, especially if I can't
rely on the engine. Updates to follow!

Looking forward to learning much more about this boat!

Take care,

Mark Whipple
S/V Tiny Dancer
Boston, MA

From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 10 13:11:10 2019
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 10:11:10 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] ANOTHER first sail on my R22
In-Reply-To: <CA+WP5ARp5QxEHcN4D1rzFH94gU14x1nnDgttVw7VUd3ebcATFQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNJ_D=X8kjEWHPCeBrOd2o3GCQF6v0A7TG1XUrj7JYF62UBCw@mail.gmail.com>
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Welcome Mark.   From a Ted Brewer double ender to a Rhodes flair sided, and
an uniquely modified one at that.   Also a Compac 16.   You collect cool and
unique boats.  It sounds like that Rhodes found a good home.   Your first
launching with the ramp washout, high tides and punky motor made for a
challenge.   I noticed Port Huron Ohio doesn't allow speedboats to power
onto trailers because washout was causing such problems.     

I painted a pair of stripes on my trailer tongue, visible as the holes are
about to line up when extending.   That was proving to be  a time waster,
especially when alone.   

Hopefully your Rav 4 can pluck it out of the water OK.   

Alex



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From borderfolle at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 10 14:02:50 2019
From: borderfolle at yahoo.com (Donald Simons)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 18:02:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annapolis Boat Show Question From Stan
References: <929259164.4229581.1570730570967.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <929259164.4229581.1570730570967@mail.yahoo.com>

A few of us are helping Stan at the show.? There was a problem getting a boat here for demo sails.
Stan would like to know if anyone has their Rhodes in the water near the Annapolis Show?
If so, would you enjoy sailing to the General Boats slip just outside the show to give occasional demonstration sails during the show?
Stan will get you exhibitor credentials and help with parts assistance.? Since he has some cell phone issues, please give me a call at: 607-427-2988.
Thank-you,
Don Simons
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 10 19:34:21 2019
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 16:34:21 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annapolis Boat Show Question From Stan
In-Reply-To: <929259164.4229581.1570730570967@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <929259164.4229581.1570730570967@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1570750461254-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

I took the liberty of putting on FB as well.    Good luck.

Alex



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From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com  Mon Oct 14 08:22:03 2019
From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 05:22:03 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] ANOTHER first sail on my R22
In-Reply-To: <1570727470325-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <CADNJ_D=X8kjEWHPCeBrOd2o3GCQF6v0A7TG1XUrj7JYF62UBCw@mail.gmail.com>
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I have a 2010 Rav4 with a 6 engine cylinder and towing package. It has no
problem pulling my R22 up the ramp. 

George



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From snstaum at gmail.com  Mon Oct 14 08:47:34 2019
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 08:47:34 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] ANOTHER first sail on my R22
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Hey Mark. I know your boat.  When my friend Ed was looking to buy a
sailboat a few years back we looked at a Rhodes 22 at a club in Everett,
MA. It had wheel steering, an inboard w sail drive & a self tending jib. It
was above his budget so he passed on it. A couple of years later, the same
boat showed up on a neighboring mooring where I was based at Squantum Yacht
Club in Quincy (off Wollaston Beach). We were neighbors for several years
but I never got to sail on this unique boat. Maybe now I get another
chance. This year I moved my Rhodes to Hingham Shipyard Marina due to the
low tide delays at Squantum Yacht club. Where are you sailing out of?

I have owned a Rhodes 22 since 2003 so can help you with anything you need
assistance with. I will be floating until November if you want to get out
on a Rhodes before next season.

Stephen Staum
s/v Carol Lee 2
Needham, MA
781-704-1037 (cell)

On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 10:40 PM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com> wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I'm jumping on the bandwagon to tell you about my first sail on my R22!
> This is a long post so only read it if you have the time to be (hopefully!)
> entertained for a bit.
>
> I purchased this boat at the beginning of July in a town in central
> Massachusetts. For a variety of reasons I did not launch this boat until
> 10/1. I a some fun stories about raising the mast for the first time but
> I'll save that for another time.
>
> I currently own three sailboats, as long as you don't count the two
> dinghies that can also sail. My largest boat, a Nimble 30 yawl designed by
> Ted Brewer, is currently for sale. I really love the boat but I wanted to
> downsize as I approach retirement. I did not launch the Nimble this year
> although she was in the water last year. My third boat is a Com-pac 16 that
> lives most of the time on Cape Cod. This year I was granted a mooring in
> Pleasant Bay on the Chatham/Harwich/Orleans border.
>
> I wanted to downsize from the Nimble 30 to sailboat on a trailer and after
> some research it seemed the Rhodes 22 was a good fit for me. I came close
> to purchasing a Seaward 25' but I'm very glad I ended up with the R22
> instead. Currently I own a RAV4 Ltd with towing package, and I will be
> using that vehicle to launch and haul Tiny Dancer at my boat club on Boston
> Harbor. The long term plan is to replace the RAV 4 with Highlander that can
> tow the R22 on the highway. BTW this R22 is a little unique: she has wheel
> steering, a self-tending jib with a Hoyt jib boom and an internal 15 hp.
> gas engine with a Saildrive underneath. She will soon receive the name
> "Tiny Dancer."
>
> After hauling the Compac 16 on 9/14 I then set my sights on launching the
> R22. I at least wanted to have a test run before the winter. I'm a middle
> school technology teacher and I had two days off from school on 9/30 and
> 10/1. I first tried to launch the boat on Mon. 9/30 (we had raised the mast
> a couple of weeks earlier). Unfortunately we ran out of time. It was a plus
> tide so the boat yard became partially flooded at high tide. Getting the
> tongue extension to come out took  quite a bit of time and effort and was
> the main cause for our delay in launching.
>
> The next day a friend and I went down closer to low tide and tried to
> launch the boat. We were on the boat club's main ramp which is long and
> fairly flat. Unfortunately it was too flat. It didn't look like we were
> going to get deep enough to launch until I backed up just a bit more and
> the trailer seemed to fall into a hole on one side. Then the boat floated
> off. Later analysis suggests that I either backed into a big hole in the
> ram or I actually went off the end of the paved ramp.
>
> Once the boat was floating I started the engine. It ran but didn't idle and
> would stall when I put the boat in gear. I decided I would just haul the
> boat back out and be done with it until next year. However by this point I
> couldn't get the trailer in deep enough because now the water was much
> higher. Boston Harbor typically has tides around 9 - 10 ft., but this tide
> was close to 12 ft. It even flooded the main artery road next to the boat
> club. I knew even if I could, I shouldn't put the trailer back in as far as
> I did when launching. There was a good chance of causing damage to the
> trailer if I tried to pull it past some kind of obstruction with a 3100 lb
> boat on it.
>
> The boat sat on the floating dock near the launch ramp overnight. I came
> back the next day and the direction of the wind was now much more favorable
> for sailing to the club dock or even my mooring. The forecast said NNE
> winds 10-15 kts gusts to 20 kts. I don't think I saw whitecaps but it was
> pretty breezy.
>
> My first sail was getting the boat from the launch doc to the leeward side
> of the club doc. After that it got too dark to get out to my mooring -
> especially because I wasn't certain where the mooring had been dropped this
> year. When heading to the main dock had just the bare minimum of jib and
> main out, in part because I was sailing almost dead downwind. I reached the
> dock and immediately realized my boat would be much better off on the
> leeward side (the dock was essentially perpendicular to the wind).
>
> I got the boat around to the other side of the dock but had trouble tacking
> (because now the dock was upwind) so I turned the boat by gybing.
> Eventually I realized I needed to roll out more main, but by that time I
> had got the boat on a good tack which let me land it on the dock. A bow
> line, stern line, springer lead from the bow cleat and a couple big fenders
> secured her until I could get back to move her to the mooring. Of course I
> never found my mooring but picked up another that wasn't in use.
>
> I hope to haul Tiny Dancer on the trailer this coming Monday (Columbus
> Day/Indigenous Peoples' Day). I've been told there's a second ramp at my
> boat club that is twice the slope of the main ramp. The secondary ramp has
> no dock, so the logistics promise to get interesting, especially if I can't
> rely on the engine. Updates to follow!
>
> Looking forward to learning much more about this boat!
>
> Take care,
>
> Mark Whipple
> S/V Tiny Dancer
> Boston, MA
>
-- 
Stephen Staum
Pariser Industries, Inc.

From daysails at aol.com  Tue Oct 15 12:14:37 2019
From: daysails at aol.com (daysails at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 16:14:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Boat Show
References: <1571783416.1246506.1571156078088.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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-----Original Message-----
From: daysails <daysails at aol.com>
To: rhodes22-list-request <rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tue, Oct 15, 2019 12:06 PM
Subject: Boat Show


Despite the flooding, caused by a stalled storm off the coast and a full moon, ?that closed the show down earlier than scheduled on Saturday the general showed up with his boats in the same spot he has maintained over the past fifty years. ?Interest was high as usual and a number of owners showed up to ?work the crowd into a buying frenzy!? ?You know that the boat sells itself and we just share stories and insights. ?Here is a picture for those who couldn?t make it. ?See you next year Stan and crew! ?Joe Riley S/V Second Wind. Lake Hartwell, GA
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From bgarrant at gmail.com  Wed Oct 16 08:01:12 2019
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 08:01:12 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Battery for 2000 Rhodes22?
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBDEERE5-O1KCwC8Tk993wriNJomdMED7_wq1qU_6oL2Tw@mail.gmail.com>

I need a recommendation for the type/size of batteries for my Rhodes 22.
It's a 2000 that was refurbished by Stan in 2017.
I managed to kill both batteries by poor (actually no) maintenance so I
learned an expensive lesson.
I have two solar panels that keep the batteries charged and I have minimal
power requirements while sailing since I only use the motor lift, VHF
radio, and Garmin GPS on a regular basis. I use the running lights
infrequently.
I would like to purchase the new batteries today, probably from AutoZone
here on Kent Island in Maryland.

I searched the site documents and this forum for 'Rhodes batteries for
dummies' but didn't find explicit guidance on this.
thanks very much,
Bob Garrant
s/v Sail la Vie 2000

From mitchpadl at gmail.com  Wed Oct 16 10:26:12 2019
From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 10:26:12 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Battery for 2000 Rhodes22?
In-Reply-To: <CAPi3tBDEERE5-O1KCwC8Tk993wriNJomdMED7_wq1qU_6oL2Tw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPi3tBDEERE5-O1KCwC8Tk993wriNJomdMED7_wq1qU_6oL2Tw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFTyJNVxr75KmXWBRv0ycYQMve26+pAvUtRwBawKgaqWVCh3Fw@mail.gmail.com>

HI Bob, I have the same question about batteries. I would love to see your
boat some time. I'm in Fenwick and recently purchased a 1990 that needs a
few improvements. Mitch

On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 8:01 AM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:

> I need a recommendation for the type/size of batteries for my Rhodes 22.
> It's a 2000 that was refurbished by Stan in 2017.
> I managed to kill both batteries by poor (actually no) maintenance so I
> learned an expensive lesson.
> I have two solar panels that keep the batteries charged and I have minimal
> power requirements while sailing since I only use the motor lift, VHF
> radio, and Garmin GPS on a regular basis. I use the running lights
> infrequently.
> I would like to purchase the new batteries today, probably from AutoZone
> here on Kent Island in Maryland.
>
> I searched the site documents and this forum for 'Rhodes batteries for
> dummies' but didn't find explicit guidance on this.
> thanks very much,
> Bob Garrant
> s/v Sail la Vie 2000
>

From rlowe at vt.edu  Wed Oct 16 10:29:28 2019
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:29:28 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Boat Show
In-Reply-To: <1571783416.1246506.1571156078088@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1571783416.1246506.1571156078088.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1571783416.1246506.1571156078088@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BN6PR05MB29648F223253E658F5E300EDC1920@BN6PR05MB2964.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Joe,
Thanks for the report.  I guessing this was a before and after refurb photo? - rob


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 12:15 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Boat Show




-----Original Message-----
From: daysails <daysails at aol.com>
To: rhodes22-list-request <rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tue, Oct 15, 2019 12:06 PM
Subject: Boat Show


Despite the flooding, caused by a stalled storm off the coast and a full moon, ?that closed the show down earlier than scheduled on Saturday the general showed up with his boats in the same spot he has maintained over the past fifty years. ?Interest was high as usual and a number of owners showed up to ?work the crowd into a buying frenzy!? ?You know that the boat sells itself and we just share stories and insights. ?Here is a picture for those who couldn?t make it. ?See you next year Stan and crew! ?Joe Riley S/V Second Wind. Lake Hartwell, GA
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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Wed Oct 16 10:32:01 2019
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 10:32:01 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Battery for 2000 Rhodes22?
In-Reply-To: <CAPi3tBDEERE5-O1KCwC8Tk993wriNJomdMED7_wq1qU_6oL2Tw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPi3tBDEERE5-O1KCwC8Tk993wriNJomdMED7_wq1qU_6oL2Tw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABkv36Y=dKsvU+zasoNKyurRLm0j4vtEz1T_ZhNdnrdBtVia-A@mail.gmail.com>

Bob,

Just replace what you have.  With properly regulated solar charging, no
maintenance is required.  However, if you remove them over the winter, they
should be trickle charged.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 8:01 AM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:

> I need a recommendation for the type/size of batteries for my Rhodes 22.
> It's a 2000 that was refurbished by Stan in 2017.
> I managed to kill both batteries by poor (actually no) maintenance so I
> learned an expensive lesson.
> I have two solar panels that keep the batteries charged and I have minimal
> power requirements while sailing since I only use the motor lift, VHF
> radio, and Garmin GPS on a regular basis. I use the running lights
> infrequently.
> I would like to purchase the new batteries today, probably from AutoZone
> here on Kent Island in Maryland.
>
> I searched the site documents and this forum for 'Rhodes batteries for
> dummies' but didn't find explicit guidance on this.
> thanks very much,
> Bob Garrant
> s/v Sail la Vie 2000
>

From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Wed Oct 16 10:33:44 2019
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 10:33:44 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Boat Show
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR05MB29648F223253E658F5E300EDC1920@BN6PR05MB2964.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1571783416.1246506.1571156078088.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1571783416.1246506.1571156078088@mail.yahoo.com>
 <BN6PR05MB29648F223253E658F5E300EDC1920@BN6PR05MB2964.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CABkv36YYksR-LJd+fgt+++iakT=H_i9eqcirM0s6gR8AB0Hkng@mail.gmail.com>

How did a full moon cause the show to close early?

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 10:29 AM Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:

> Joe,
> Thanks for the report.  I guessing this was a before and after refurb
> photo? - rob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Sling via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 12:15 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Boat Show
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: daysails <daysails at aol.com>
> To: rhodes22-list-request <rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tue, Oct 15, 2019 12:06 PM
> Subject: Boat Show
>
>
> Despite the flooding, caused by a stalled storm off the coast and a full
> moon,  that closed the show down earlier than scheduled on Saturday the
> general showed up with his boats in the same spot he has maintained over
> the past fifty years.  Interest was high as usual and a number of owners
> showed up to ?work the crowd into a buying frenzy!?  You know that the boat
> sells itself and we just share stories and insights.  Here is a picture for
> those who couldn?t make it.  See you next year Stan and crew!  Joe Riley
> S/V Second Wind. Lake Hartwell, GA
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From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Wed Oct 16 10:36:29 2019
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:36:29 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Boat Show
In-Reply-To: <CABkv36YYksR-LJd+fgt+++iakT=H_i9eqcirM0s6gR8AB0Hkng@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1571783416.1246506.1571156078088.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1571783416.1246506.1571156078088@mail.yahoo.com>
 <BN6PR05MB29648F223253E658F5E300EDC1920@BN6PR05MB2964.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
 <CABkv36YYksR-LJd+fgt+++iakT=H_i9eqcirM0s6gR8AB0Hkng@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BN8PR18MB28336554B88AAF58D35678B5D1920@BN8PR18MB2833.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>

A storm on the Chesapeake bay blowing wind up the bay combined with a harvest moon flooded more than half the boat show area and caused the city to shut off power as a safety precaution.

Christopher P. Cowie? ??

700 N Fairfax Street
Suite 304
Alexandria, Virginia 22314
703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile
[ccowie at cowieassociates.com]



Please consider the environment before printing this email.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Rick Lange
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 10:34 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Boat Show

How did a full moon cause the show to close early?

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 10:29 AM Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:

> Joe,
> Thanks for the report.  I guessing this was a before and after refurb 
> photo? - rob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
> Sling via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 12:15 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Boat Show
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: daysails <daysails at aol.com>
> To: rhodes22-list-request <rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tue, Oct 15, 2019 12:06 PM
> Subject: Boat Show
>
>
> Despite the flooding, caused by a stalled storm off the coast and a 
> full moon,  that closed the show down earlier than scheduled on 
> Saturday the general showed up with his boats in the same spot he has 
> maintained over the past fifty years.  Interest was high as usual and 
> a number of owners showed up to ?work the crowd into a buying frenzy!?  
> You know that the boat sells itself and we just share stories and 
> insights.  Here is a picture for those who couldn?t make it.  See you 
> next year Stan and crew!  Joe Riley S/V Second Wind. Lake Hartwell, GA
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed Oct 16 10:40:52 2019
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 10:40:52 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Battery for 2000 Rhodes22?
In-Reply-To: <CAPi3tBDEERE5-O1KCwC8Tk993wriNJomdMED7_wq1qU_6oL2Tw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPi3tBDEERE5-O1KCwC8Tk993wriNJomdMED7_wq1qU_6oL2Tw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <38EFA311-A7EA-4536-8324-6EB43F869B88@sunnybeeches.com>

Bob,

When my boat was recycled in 2016, Stan put 2 Group 27 deep cycle batteries into it. (The ?group? of a battery indicates it?s approximate physical dimensions.) Most likely he did the same for you.

If you just take your current batteries to the AutoZone, they should be able to supply you with matching replacements, plus they?ll take the old batteries off your hands.

There?s only two things I can think to watch out for: make sure the new batteries are deep cycle, not standard car batteries (it should say ?deep cycle? on the label, and make sure they have threaded stud connections, not just clamp-on auto style posts.

Let us know how things worked out.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)


> On Oct 16, 2019, at 8:01 AM, Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I need a recommendation for the type/size of batteries for my Rhodes 22.
> It's a 2000 that was refurbished by Stan in 2017.
> I managed to kill both batteries by poor (actually no) maintenance so I
> learned an expensive lesson.
> I have two solar panels that keep the batteries charged and I have minimal
> power requirements while sailing since I only use the motor lift, VHF
> radio, and Garmin GPS on a regular basis. I use the running lights
> infrequently.
> I would like to purchase the new batteries today, probably from AutoZone
> here on Kent Island in Maryland.
> 
> I searched the site documents and this forum for 'Rhodes batteries for
> dummies' but didn't find explicit guidance on this.
> thanks very much,
> Bob Garrant
> s/v Sail la Vie 2000


From bgarrant at gmail.com  Wed Oct 16 14:32:55 2019
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:32:55 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Battery for 2000 Rhodes22?
In-Reply-To: <CAFTyJNVxr75KmXWBRv0ycYQMve26+pAvUtRwBawKgaqWVCh3Fw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPi3tBDEERE5-O1KCwC8Tk993wriNJomdMED7_wq1qU_6oL2Tw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFTyJNVxr75KmXWBRv0ycYQMve26+pAvUtRwBawKgaqWVCh3Fw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBAMGvBkTfkg3RykL+j0e2yrY4KOe1RrBHppUVhb1zyhNQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mitch,
You?re welcome to see my boat anytime. We can go for a quick spin on the
Chester RIver off Kent Island. Do you sail in Assawoman Bay? or Little
Assawoman Bay? Or the Little Atlantic Ocean?
Bob Garrant
Bgarrant at gmail.com

Send me your email and cell and we can communicate directly.

On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 10:26 AM Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com> wrote:

> HI Bob, I have the same question about batteries. I would love to see your
> boat some time. I'm in Fenwick and recently purchased a 1990 that needs a
> few improvements. Mitch
>
> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 8:01 AM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I need a recommendation for the type/size of batteries for my Rhodes 22.
> > It's a 2000 that was refurbished by Stan in 2017.
> > I managed to kill both batteries by poor (actually no) maintenance so I
> > learned an expensive lesson.
> > I have two solar panels that keep the batteries charged and I have
> minimal
> > power requirements while sailing since I only use the motor lift, VHF
> > radio, and Garmin GPS on a regular basis. I use the running lights
> > infrequently.
> > I would like to purchase the new batteries today, probably from AutoZone
> > here on Kent Island in Maryland.
> >
> > I searched the site documents and this forum for 'Rhodes batteries for
> > dummies' but didn't find explicit guidance on this.
> > thanks very much,
> > Bob Garrant
> > s/v Sail la Vie 2000
> >
>

From gramille at tds.net  Wed Oct 16 18:37:46 2019
From: gramille at tds.net (gramille)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 15:37:46 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] electric motor lift problem
Message-ID: <1571265466645-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

My Yamaha 9.9hp motor lifts out of the water when accelerating. It looks like
the 2 screws that hold the stop on the bottom of the hoist  are stripped. I
tried hanging over the side and tightening the phillips screws but they just
pulled out again under tension. They are just screwed into the black plastic
, has anyone else had this problem and is there a way to fix. The  design
looks weak I would like to make it stronger, but would also like an easy
solution!
Cheers from Lake Champlain in the waning days of a wonderful first season
with my R22.
Graham



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From rodellner at mac.com  Wed Oct 16 21:39:24 2019
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 20:39:24 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Battery for 2000 Rhodes22?
In-Reply-To: <CAPi3tBAMGvBkTfkg3RykL+j0e2yrY4KOe1RrBHppUVhb1zyhNQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPi3tBAMGvBkTfkg3RykL+j0e2yrY4KOe1RrBHppUVhb1zyhNQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <942CDABD-37AA-47EB-9D55-02BD68FC48EF@mac.com>

On my 1987/2008

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2019, at 1:33 PM, Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Mitch,
> You?re welcome to see my boat anytime. We can go for a quick spin on the
> Chester RIver off Kent Island. Do you sail in Assawoman Bay? or Little
> Assawoman Bay? Or the Little Atlantic Ocean?
> Bob Garrant
> Bgarrant at gmail.com
> 
> Send me your email and cell and we can communicate directly.
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 10:26 AM Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> HI Bob, I have the same question about batteries. I would love to see your
>> boat some time. I'm in Fenwick and recently purchased a 1990 that needs a
>> few improvements. Mitch
>> 
>>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 8:01 AM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I need a recommendation for the type/size of batteries for my Rhodes 22.
>>> It's a 2000 that was refurbished by Stan in 2017.
>>> I managed to kill both batteries by poor (actually no) maintenance so I
>>> learned an expensive lesson.
>>> I have two solar panels that keep the batteries charged and I have
>> minimal
>>> power requirements while sailing since I only use the motor lift, VHF
>>> radio, and Garmin GPS on a regular basis. I use the running lights
>>> infrequently.
>>> I would like to purchase the new batteries today, probably from AutoZone
>>> here on Kent Island in Maryland.
>>> 
>>> I searched the site documents and this forum for 'Rhodes batteries for
>>> dummies' but didn't find explicit guidance on this.
>>> thanks very much,
>>> Bob Garrant
>>> s/v Sail la Vie 2000
>>> 
>> 


From rodellner at mac.com  Wed Oct 16 21:42:53 2019
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 20:42:53 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Battery for 2000 Rhodes22?
In-Reply-To: <CAPi3tBAMGvBkTfkg3RykL+j0e2yrY4KOe1RrBHppUVhb1zyhNQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPi3tBAMGvBkTfkg3RykL+j0e2yrY4KOe1RrBHppUVhb1zyhNQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FE1D65DF-BF22-4AA2-AEA9-A69A2D3C74D7@mac.com>

On my 1987/2008 rhodes I used Interstate deep cycle batteries with solar panels and they lasted 4 years plus. 
Rod

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2019, at 1:33 PM, Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Mitch,
> You?re welcome to see my boat anytime. We can go for a quick spin on the
> Chester RIver off Kent Island. Do you sail in Assawoman Bay? or Little
> Assawoman Bay? Or the Little Atlantic Ocean?
> Bob Garrant
> Bgarrant at gmail.com
> 
> Send me your email and cell and we can communicate directly.
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 10:26 AM Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> HI Bob, I have the same question about batteries. I would love to see your
>> boat some time. I'm in Fenwick and recently purchased a 1990 that needs a
>> few improvements. Mitch
>> 
>>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 8:01 AM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I need a recommendation for the type/size of batteries for my Rhodes 22.
>>> It's a 2000 that was refurbished by Stan in 2017.
>>> I managed to kill both batteries by poor (actually no) maintenance so I
>>> learned an expensive lesson.
>>> I have two solar panels that keep the batteries charged and I have
>> minimal
>>> power requirements while sailing since I only use the motor lift, VHF
>>> radio, and Garmin GPS on a regular basis. I use the running lights
>>> infrequently.
>>> I would like to purchase the new batteries today, probably from AutoZone
>>> here on Kent Island in Maryland.
>>> 
>>> I searched the site documents and this forum for 'Rhodes batteries for
>>> dummies' but didn't find explicit guidance on this.
>>> thanks very much,
>>> Bob Garrant
>>> s/v Sail la Vie 2000
>>> 
>> 


From gramille at tds.net  Thu Oct 17 13:56:50 2019
From: gramille at tds.net (gramille)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 10:56:50 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] lowering mast
Message-ID: <1571335010099-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Can anyone guide me to any archive material (a video would be great) showing
the mast lowering procedure? I have the standard winch provided by GB.



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From bgarrant at gmail.com  Thu Oct 17 14:02:25 2019
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 14:02:25 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] lowering mast
In-Reply-To: <1571335010099-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1571335010099-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBBcZG7ibZFck=aX1bjr_TRks1m79aoGhvDJnim9spK3SQ@mail.gmail.com>

Is this what you?re looking for

Rhodes Mast Stepping



   1. Remove the pop top from the mast slider first!!!
      - One bolt.  Must do to avoid sound of broken fiberglass.
      - Remove ringdings from inside the cabin with the poptop up before
      you unbolt the poptop.
   2. Unplug mast wiring aand secure plug against the mast to avoid
   stepping on it.
   3. Pull boom up with topping lift and secure it to mast with cleat.
      - Wrap lift line as needed to get it out of the way.
   4. Wrap jib sheets around the furled jib.
   5. Release and coil Jib furling line  on deck.
   6. Release backstay tensioning line  and remove traveler bar.
   7. Disconnect lower forward shrouds (baby stays) and extend with chains.

      - They will be slack.   Chains are probably attached to the crane to
      keep you from losing them, but are not used with the crane.
      - NOTE: I've found that if you attach the winch before you disconnect
      the jib, it's difficult to maneuver the jib back to the mast.  So I
      disconnect the jib first and then set up the winch.
      - However, you MUST NOT PUT THE CHAINS ON THE FOREWARD STAYS UNTIL
      THE WINCH IS CONNECTED.  If the chains are on, the mast is free to move
      rearward, which it will do with a resounding crash if the winch isn't
      holding it back.
   8. Rope on crane attaches to foredeck cleat.    Crane bolts to cockpit
   roof.
   9. Leave backstays attached but slack.
   10. Leave upper long shrouds with spreader alone.
   11. Disconnect aft lower shrouds (baby stays) and attach to mast crane
   with bolts instead of the pins.
      - They route inside the forward lower shrouds now extended with
      chain.
      - It?s much easier to remove the locking rings from the lower shroud
      turnbuckles when inside the cockpit with the poptop instead of
when you are
      on the foredeck.  If you have an assistant the jib forestry pin is easier
      - from the ground.
   12. Tension the crane enough to remove forestay / jib furling mechanism
   pin.
      - The mast is supported by two backstays, long main shrouds and lower
      aft shrouds now acting as forestays.
      - I'm not sure the best way to keep the jib furler from scratching
      the deck. ]
   13. Use winch to lower mast, pushing it to get it started.
      - Slow.
      - As the mast decends the main shrouds go slack the the lengthened
      forward lower shrouds take over.
   14. When the mast is down disconnect all lower shrouds.
   15. Remove crane.
   16. Manhandle the jib and mast to the pulpit where it slides into the
   track.
   17. Spend the next hour tying everything down for travel.


The only part hard to do alone is getting the beast on the trailer.

On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 1:47 PM gramille <gramille at tds.net> wrote:

> Can anyone guide me to any archive material (a video would be great)
> showing
> the mast lowering procedure? I have the standard winch provided by GB.
>
>
>
> --
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>

From rweiss at siu.edu  Thu Oct 17 14:05:15 2019
From: rweiss at siu.edu (Weiss, Robert L)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 18:05:15 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] lowering mast
In-Reply-To: <1571335010099-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1571335010099-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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These photos were posted via Facebook some time ago. Someplace I have the instructions that I can scan and send if you don't find them sooner.

https://www.facebook.com/shawn.boles/media_set?set=a.10151299606977141.487706.593022140&type=1&l=41f7dc116a

Bob
Beach Spring

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Can anyone guide me to any archive material (a video would be great) showing
the mast lowering procedure? I have the standard winch provided by GB.



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From challey52 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 17 14:48:20 2019
From: challey52 at gmail.com (Charlie S)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 14:48:20 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes-22 trailer
Message-ID: <CADNJ_DnX3-cxd9W_0jq+e1siPHqZm3kj3apHbQ-CAdOxyvTRxQ@mail.gmail.com>

I've been looking at used R-22's for a while now and one of the better
boats I found does not have a trailer. I'd need to move the boat shortly
after buying so the lack of trailer is limiting. Hiring a haulier for a one
time move is possible but adds needless cost - I want the ability to move
the boat on my own down the road

Please excuse the question (I'm new to sailing) but do I need a trailer
specific to the Rhodes? I see that GB recommends the Uni-Matic double axle
but a quick web search did not turn any up. A related question: What should
I expect to pay for a used trailer  A quick web search didn't really answer
my question but did tell me that a new trailer would be in the $4-5k range.
Full disclosure: Adding a $4+k trailer into the mix puts that particular
boat well out of my budget.

Thanks,

Carlie

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From retiredtoby at gmail.com  Thu Oct 17 15:09:36 2019
From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 15:09:36 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes-22 trailer
In-Reply-To: <CADNJ_DnX3-cxd9W_0jq+e1siPHqZm3kj3apHbQ-CAdOxyvTRxQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Charlie, The trailer built specifically for the Rhodes 22 of course would
be the best. However the trailer built for a Catalina 22 With
a CENTERBOARD is the second best option and probably there are more of
these available in the Used Trailer Market.
Cary
S/V Whisper

On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 2:48 PM Charlie S <challey52 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've been looking at used R-22's for a while now and one of the better
> boats I found does not have a trailer. I'd need to move the boat shortly
> after buying so the lack of trailer is limiting. Hiring a haulier for a one
> time move is possible but adds needless cost - I want the ability to move
> the boat on my own down the road
>
> Please excuse the question (I'm new to sailing) but do I need a trailer
> specific to the Rhodes? I see that GB recommends the Uni-Matic double axle
> but a quick web search did not turn any up. A related question: What should
> I expect to pay for a used trailer  A quick web search didn't really answer
> my question but did tell me that a new trailer would be in the $4-5k range.
> Full disclosure: Adding a $4+k trailer into the mix puts that particular
> boat well out of my budget.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Carlie
>
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From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Thu Oct 17 15:11:01 2019
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 19:11:01 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes-22 trailer
In-Reply-To: <CAPQvPRpm6+ZU1GtdYJvQ_9QsVh1PgAZsBN9M4jiz_wAjie=SbQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Bob Cohen might have a used trailer for sale in Michigan


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On Oct 17, 2019, at 3:09 PM, Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:

?Charlie, The trailer built specifically for the Rhodes 22 of course would
be the best. However the trailer built for a Catalina 22 With
a CENTERBOARD is the second best option and probably there are more of
these available in the Used Trailer Market.
Cary
S/V Whisper

On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 2:48 PM Charlie S <challey52 at gmail.com> wrote:

I've been looking at used R-22's for a while now and one of the better
boats I found does not have a trailer. I'd need to move the boat shortly
after buying so the lack of trailer is limiting. Hiring a haulier for a one
time move is possible but adds needless cost - I want the ability to move
the boat on my own down the road

Please excuse the question (I'm new to sailing) but do I need a trailer
specific to the Rhodes? I see that GB recommends the Uni-Matic double axle
but a quick web search did not turn any up. A related question: What should
I expect to pay for a used trailer  A quick web search didn't really answer
my question but did tell me that a new trailer would be in the $4-5k range.
Full disclosure: Adding a $4+k trailer into the mix puts that particular
boat well out of my budget.

Thanks,

Carlie

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From bobfcohen at gmail.com  Thu Oct 17 15:33:31 2019
From: bobfcohen at gmail.com (Robert Cohen)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 15:33:31 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes-22 trailer
In-Reply-To: <7DF62D8E-B28D-4434-9585-580E262787DF@cowieassociates.com>
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Charlie -
As Chris suggested, I do have a used trailer for sale which works fine with a Rhodes 22.  It is a Trailmaster and is in Onekama, Michigan.  If you are interested, please let me know.
Bob Cohen 

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> On Oct 17, 2019, at 3:11 PM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com> wrote:
> 
> Bob Cohen might have a used trailer for sale in Michigan
> 
> 
> Please note our new office address and phone number
> 
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> On Oct 17, 2019, at 3:09 PM, Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Charlie, The trailer built specifically for the Rhodes 22 of course would
> be the best. However the trailer built for a Catalina 22 With
> a CENTERBOARD is the second best option and probably there are more of
> these available in the Used Trailer Market.
> Cary
> S/V Whisper
> 
> On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 2:48 PM Charlie S <challey52 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I've been looking at used R-22's for a while now and one of the better
> boats I found does not have a trailer. I'd need to move the boat shortly
> after buying so the lack of trailer is limiting. Hiring a haulier for a one
> time move is possible but adds needless cost - I want the ability to move
> the boat on my own down the road
> 
> Please excuse the question (I'm new to sailing) but do I need a trailer
> specific to the Rhodes? I see that GB recommends the Uni-Matic double axle
> but a quick web search did not turn any up. A related question: What should
> I expect to pay for a used trailer  A quick web search didn't really answer
> my question but did tell me that a new trailer would be in the $4-5k range.
> Full disclosure: Adding a $4+k trailer into the mix puts that particular
> boat well out of my budget.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Carlie
> 
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From snstaum at gmail.com  Thu Oct 17 17:00:53 2019
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 17:00:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes-22 trailer
In-Reply-To: <CADNJ_DnX3-cxd9W_0jq+e1siPHqZm3kj3apHbQ-CAdOxyvTRxQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Where are you located?  I am storing at the marina this year so will not be
using my trailer.


*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Carol Lee 2*

*Needham, MA*


On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 2:48 PM Charlie S <challey52 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've been looking at used R-22's for a while now and one of the better
> boats I found does not have a trailer. I'd need to move the boat shortly
> after buying so the lack of trailer is limiting. Hiring a haulier for a one
> time move is possible but adds needless cost - I want the ability to move
> the boat on my own down the road
>
> Please excuse the question (I'm new to sailing) but do I need a trailer
> specific to the Rhodes? I see that GB recommends the Uni-Matic double axle
> but a quick web search did not turn any up. A related question: What should
> I expect to pay for a used trailer  A quick web search didn't really answer
> my question but did tell me that a new trailer would be in the $4-5k range.
> Full disclosure: Adding a $4+k trailer into the mix puts that particular
> boat well out of my budget.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Carlie
>
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From challey52 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 17 17:31:21 2019
From: challey52 at gmail.com (Charlie S)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 17:31:21 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes-22 trailer
In-Reply-To: <CAOo_FjdDJioCFV53Eei9VHcLu6H0i55Hb1UhhEBqz4pPK2RACw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNJ_DnX3-cxd9W_0jq+e1siPHqZm3kj3apHbQ-CAdOxyvTRxQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOo_FjdDJioCFV53Eei9VHcLu6H0i55Hb1UhhEBqz4pPK2RACw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNJ_D=40wF4YoHa19hPJi+-cSCVLivoq5bDgEGRHxN0QRp4QA@mail.gmail.com>

Steven -

Thank you for your kind offer. I'm in the Philly area however and the boat
is in Annapolis.

Very much appreciate your kind gesture.

 Charlie

On Thu, Oct 17, 2019, 5:01 PM Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:

> Where are you located?  I am storing at the marina this year so will not be
> using my trailer.
>
>
> *Stephen Staum*
> *s/v Carol Lee 2*
>
> *Needham, MA*
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 2:48 PM Charlie S <challey52 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I've been looking at used R-22's for a while now and one of the better
> > boats I found does not have a trailer. I'd need to move the boat shortly
> > after buying so the lack of trailer is limiting. Hiring a haulier for a
> one
> > time move is possible but adds needless cost - I want the ability to move
> > the boat on my own down the road
> >
> > Please excuse the question (I'm new to sailing) but do I need a trailer
> > specific to the Rhodes? I see that GB recommends the Uni-Matic double
> axle
> > but a quick web search did not turn any up. A related question: What
> should
> > I expect to pay for a used trailer  A quick web search didn't really
> answer
> > my question but did tell me that a new trailer would be in the $4-5k
> range.
> > Full disclosure: Adding a $4+k trailer into the mix puts that particular
> > boat well out of my budget.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Carlie
> >
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Thu Oct 17 17:46:27 2019
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (mweisner at ebsmed.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 17:46:27 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes-22 trailer
In-Reply-To: <CADNJ_D=40wF4YoHa19hPJi+-cSCVLivoq5bDgEGRHxN0QRp4QA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNJ_DnX3-cxd9W_0jq+e1siPHqZm3kj3apHbQ-CAdOxyvTRxQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <006301d58534$552af590$ff80e0b0$@ebsmed.com>

If you are in Philly, have you looked at this beauty?

https://moreboats.com/boats/rhodes/22/305279

At $9,950 including the trailer and engine it looks like a steal!

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Charlie S
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2019 5:31 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes-22 trailer

Steven -

Thank you for your kind offer. I'm in the Philly area however and the boat is in Annapolis.

Very much appreciate your kind gesture.

 Charlie

On Thu, Oct 17, 2019, 5:01 PM Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:

> Where are you located?  I am storing at the marina this year so will 
> not be using my trailer.
>
>
> *Stephen Staum*
> *s/v Carol Lee 2*
>
> *Needham, MA*
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 2:48 PM Charlie S <challey52 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I've been looking at used R-22's for a while now and one of the 
> > better boats I found does not have a trailer. I'd need to move the 
> > boat shortly after buying so the lack of trailer is limiting. Hiring 
> > a haulier for a
> one
> > time move is possible but adds needless cost - I want the ability to 
> > move the boat on my own down the road
> >
> > Please excuse the question (I'm new to sailing) but do I need a 
> > trailer specific to the Rhodes? I see that GB recommends the 
> > Uni-Matic double
> axle
> > but a quick web search did not turn any up. A related question: What
> should
> > I expect to pay for a used trailer  A quick web search didn't really
> answer
> > my question but did tell me that a new trailer would be in the $4-5k
> range.
> > Full disclosure: Adding a $4+k trailer into the mix puts that 
> > particular boat well out of my budget.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Carlie
> >
> > <
> >
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From challey52 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 17 18:05:21 2019
From: challey52 at gmail.com (Charlie S)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 18:05:21 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes-22 trailer
In-Reply-To: <006301d58534$552af590$ff80e0b0$@ebsmed.com>
References: <CADNJ_DnX3-cxd9W_0jq+e1siPHqZm3kj3apHbQ-CAdOxyvTRxQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOo_FjdDJioCFV53Eei9VHcLu6H0i55Hb1UhhEBqz4pPK2RACw@mail.gmail.com>
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I inquired about her when I saw the posting a week or so ago but she was
already sold. Not sure why the ad is still up.
Charlie

On Thu, Oct 17, 2019, 5:46 PM <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:

> If you are in Philly, have you looked at this beauty?
>
> https://moreboats.com/boats/rhodes/22/305279
>
> At $9,950 including the trailer and engine it looks like a steal!
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Charlie S
> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2019 5:31 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes-22 trailer
>
> Steven -
>
> Thank you for your kind offer. I'm in the Philly area however and the boat
> is in Annapolis.
>
> Very much appreciate your kind gesture.
>
>  Charlie
>
> On Thu, Oct 17, 2019, 5:01 PM Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Where are you located?  I am storing at the marina this year so will
> > not be using my trailer.
> >
> >
> > *Stephen Staum*
> > *s/v Carol Lee 2*
> >
> > *Needham, MA*
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 2:48 PM Charlie S <challey52 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I've been looking at used R-22's for a while now and one of the
> > > better boats I found does not have a trailer. I'd need to move the
> > > boat shortly after buying so the lack of trailer is limiting. Hiring
> > > a haulier for a
> > one
> > > time move is possible but adds needless cost - I want the ability to
> > > move the boat on my own down the road
> > >
> > > Please excuse the question (I'm new to sailing) but do I need a
> > > trailer specific to the Rhodes? I see that GB recommends the
> > > Uni-Matic double
> > axle
> > > but a quick web search did not turn any up. A related question: What
> > should
> > > I expect to pay for a used trailer  A quick web search didn't really
> > answer
> > > my question but did tell me that a new trailer would be in the $4-5k
> > range.
> > > Full disclosure: Adding a $4+k trailer into the mix puts that
> > > particular boat well out of my budget.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Carlie
> > >
> > > <
> > >
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From rbeytagh at gmail.com  Thu Oct 17 20:08:49 2019
From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (Richard Beytagh)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 20:08:49 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes-22 trailer
In-Reply-To: <CADNJ_DnX3-cxd9W_0jq+e1siPHqZm3kj3apHbQ-CAdOxyvTRxQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNJ_DnX3-cxd9W_0jq+e1siPHqZm3kj3apHbQ-CAdOxyvTRxQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALbDJ9YNy+cHsY0GzXXE_o49zccttFoC7Wg8m2W2FZzExQG_xg@mail.gmail.com>

I have a Catalina 22 single axle trailer for sale in Asheville NC. Lights
need to be fixed up but you can have it for $1500. Not sure if it is
convenient, but we could arrange to meet half-way. Sold on a Bill of Sale.


~~~ _/) ~~~

Richard Beytagh
Phone: 828 337 0180


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On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 2:48 PM Charlie S <challey52 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've been looking at used R-22's for a while now and one of the better
> boats I found does not have a trailer. I'd need to move the boat shortly
> after buying so the lack of trailer is limiting. Hiring a haulier for a one
> time move is possible but adds needless cost - I want the ability to move
> the boat on my own down the road
>
> Please excuse the question (I'm new to sailing) but do I need a trailer
> specific to the Rhodes? I see that GB recommends the Uni-Matic double axle
> but a quick web search did not turn any up. A related question: What should
> I expect to pay for a used trailer  A quick web search didn't really answer
> my question but did tell me that a new trailer would be in the $4-5k range.
> Full disclosure: Adding a $4+k trailer into the mix puts that particular
> boat well out of my budget.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Carlie
>
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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Thu Oct 17 20:28:57 2019
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 17:28:57 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] lowering mast
In-Reply-To: <1571335010099-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1571335010099-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1571358537344-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

See the attachments for a mast lowering checklist that I compiled using
information from past threads on the forum as well info from GB manuals. 
Feel free to download, improve upon this and upload a better version.  I
just lowered the mast last Saturday without any issues.  The mast hoist
system is very helpful.  Good luck!

MastLoweringChecklist20191017.pdf
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/MastLoweringChecklist20191017.pdf>  
MastLoweringChecklist20191017.docx
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/MastLoweringChecklist20191017.docx>  




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From gramille at tds.net  Fri Oct 18 14:07:51 2019
From: gramille at tds.net (gramille)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 11:07:51 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] lowering mast
In-Reply-To: <1571358537344-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1571335010099-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1571358537344-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1571422071778-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Thanks everyone -this is exactly what I needed.
Graham



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From gramille at tds.net  Fri Oct 18 14:26:32 2019
From: gramille at tds.net (gramille)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 11:26:32 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] lowering mast
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR07MB2860828A17084DB6656C779DC66D0@DM5PR07MB2860.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1571335010099-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <1571423192303-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Thanks Bob, is there a way to send them not via FaceBook. I am not a user!
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From gramille at tds.net  Fri Oct 18 14:34:55 2019
From: gramille at tds.net (gramille)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 11:34:55 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] lowering mast
In-Reply-To: <1571422071778-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1571335010099-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1571358537344-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1571422071778-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1571423695653-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Two other questions.
 I I do not remember the chains referenced for extending the 2 stays. Could
they be short lines?
Also I want to remove the genoa for a cleaning. Should I do this before or
after the mast lowering?



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From Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com  Fri Oct 18 15:07:40 2019
From: Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 19:07:40 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] lowering mast
In-Reply-To: <1571423695653-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1571335010099-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1571358537344-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1571422071778-0.post@n5.nabble.com>,<1571423695653-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <BL0PR02MB4643280871E984D91FDA8FE6806C0@BL0PR02MB4643.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Gramille,



On my mast raising kit, the side stay extensions are 1? X 1/8? X 12? pieces of aluminum bar stock with appropriate holes for the retaining pins on each end.  Both ends of the bar stock are rounded off to prevent sharp corners from damaging the cabin roof.  However, I see no reason why they couldn?t be short lines if you are confident in your knot tying or eye splicing skills.



On the old OEM Cruising Designs roller furling system, it is not possible to remove the genoa without either sending someone up the mast in a bosun?s chair or lowering the mast.  On newer systems, the genoa slides on a luff track and can be raised and lowered without lowering the mast.  If you have the newer type system; then, definitely take the genoa off before lowering the mast.  For one thing, it makes the mast assembly lighter and easier to handle.  Removing it precludes the expensive sail from being damaged if something should go wrong during the mast lowering or raising.



Roger Pihlaja

S/V Dynamic Equilibrium



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From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of gramille <gramille at tds.net>
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2019 2:34:55 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] lowering mast

Two other questions.
 I I do not remember the chains referenced for extending the 2 stays. Could
they be short lines?
Also I want to remove the genoa for a cleaning. Should I do this before or
after the mast lowering?



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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Fri Oct 18 15:36:44 2019
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 12:36:44 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] lowering mast
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR02MB4643280871E984D91FDA8FE6806C0@BL0PR02MB4643.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1571335010099-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1571358537344-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1571422071778-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1571423695653-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <BL0PR02MB4643280871E984D91FDA8FE6806C0@BL0PR02MB4643.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1571427404627-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

I have the standard GB roller furler for the genoa.  It slides into a grove
on the furler but it is secured in place with a screw at the top and a screw
at the bottom instead of being raised with a halyard.  I had to take off my
genoa for cleaning last Saturday.  I also had to remove the main sail which
requires some minor repair.  After lowering the mast, I secured the jib
furler bundle to the mast using the topping lift, and then removed the whole
mast, and jib bundle from the boat and put it on the grass.  It's not light
when you have all of that bundled together and I had a couple of people help
me with moving the mast bundle down to the grass.  Once it was on the grass,
I unfurled the genoa to remove it.  For the main sail, I slid the furler out
of the mast, then unfurled it and unscrewed it for removal.

I plan to keep the GB jib furler as long as it is working well.  If I run
into problems with that in the future then I may replace it with CDI or some
other system that makes it possible to take the jib off without lowering the
mast.

A follow up question for the group:
- Do you remove the jib for winter storage?
- Do you remove the main sail for winter storage?

I'll keep both sails off the boat this winter since they are already off,
but I'm not sure about future years.

I'm getting a mast down winter cover made by the local sailboat shop and it
would be nice to leave the sails on if I'm able to ensure the furled sails
are covered.  Any suggestions on this?



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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Fri Oct 18 15:32:07 2019
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 15:32:07 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] lowering mast
In-Reply-To: <1571427404627-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1571335010099-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1571358537344-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1571422071778-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1571423695653-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <9ED3853B-56A2-4924-AE38-5AB4709B325F@sunnybeeches.com>

I take the mast down and leave both the main and the jib attached during winter.  i cover the boat with a tarp, using the mast as a ridge pole, so the sails are protected from direct exposure to the elements.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)


> On Oct 18, 2019, at 3:36 PM, Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have the standard GB roller furler for the genoa.  It slides into a grove
> on the furler but it is secured in place with a screw at the top and a screw
> at the bottom instead of being raised with a halyard.  I had to take off my
> genoa for cleaning last Saturday.  I also had to remove the main sail which
> requires some minor repair.  After lowering the mast, I secured the jib
> furler bundle to the mast using the topping lift, and then removed the whole
> mast, and jib bundle from the boat and put it on the grass.  It's not light
> when you have all of that bundled together and I had a couple of people help
> me with moving the mast bundle down to the grass.  Once it was on the grass,
> I unfurled the genoa to remove it.  For the main sail, I slid the furler out
> of the mast, then unfurled it and unscrewed it for removal.
> 
> I plan to keep the GB jib furler as long as it is working well.  If I run
> into problems with that in the future then I may replace it with CDI or some
> other system that makes it possible to take the jib off without lowering the
> mast.
> 
> A follow up question for the group:
> - Do you remove the jib for winter storage?
> - Do you remove the main sail for winter storage?
> 
> I'll keep both sails off the boat this winter since they are already off,
> but I'm not sure about future years.
> 
> I'm getting a mast down winter cover made by the local sailboat shop and it
> would be nice to leave the sails on if I'm able to ensure the furled sails
> are covered.  Any suggestions on this?
> 
> 
> 
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From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Fri Oct 18 16:01:28 2019
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 20:01:28 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] lowering mast
In-Reply-To: <1571427404627-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1571335010099-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1571358537344-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1571422071778-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Jesse:

I like to remove the jib especially if the rigging stays up in the winter since it would be exposed to weather and wind, I prefer to keep the main in the mast since it is protected in the mast and removing and reinstalling seems to open things up to new potential issues.  The GBI is good standard hardware and there are several other standard styles by other manufacturers.

Christopher P. Cowie? ??

700 N Fairfax Street
Suite 304
Alexandria, Virginia 22314
703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile
[ccowie at cowieassociates.com]



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-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Jesse Shumaker
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2019 3:37 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] lowering mast

I have the standard GB roller furler for the genoa.  It slides into a grove on the furler but it is secured in place with a screw at the top and a screw at the bottom instead of being raised with a halyard.  I had to take off my genoa for cleaning last Saturday.  I also had to remove the main sail which requires some minor repair.  After lowering the mast, I secured the jib furler bundle to the mast using the topping lift, and then removed the whole mast, and jib bundle from the boat and put it on the grass.  It's not light when you have all of that bundled together and I had a couple of people help me with moving the mast bundle down to the grass.  Once it was on the grass, I unfurled the genoa to remove it.  For the main sail, I slid the furler out of the mast, then unfurled it and unscrewed it for removal.

I plan to keep the GB jib furler as long as it is working well.  If I run into problems with that in the future then I may replace it with CDI or some other system that makes it possible to take the jib off without lowering the mast.

A follow up question for the group:
- Do you remove the jib for winter storage?
- Do you remove the main sail for winter storage?

I'll keep both sails off the boat this winter since they are already off, but I'm not sure about future years.

I'm getting a mast down winter cover made by the local sailboat shop and it would be nice to leave the sails on if I'm able to ensure the furled sails are covered.  Any suggestions on this?



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From rweiss at siu.edu  Fri Oct 18 18:06:24 2019
From: rweiss at siu.edu (Weiss, Robert L)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 22:06:24 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] lowering mast
In-Reply-To: <1571423192303-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1571335010099-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <DM5PR07MB2860828A17084DB6656C779DC66D0@DM5PR07MB2860.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>,
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Message-ID: <DM5PR07MB2860E75AA27F77B47E235124C66C0@DM5PR07MB2860.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Sorry, but I don't see a way to see the pics without a Facebook account. The written instructions given here are pretty thorough, but if you want to see a step by step photo description, it might be worth making up a generic Facebook account to be able to open the page. You don't have to do much to have an account without friends.

Bob
Beach Spring

Robert L Weiss Jr.
Director of Music
First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
Professor Emeritus, SIUC
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From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of gramille <gramille at tds.net>
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2019 1:26 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] lowering mast

[EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.

Thanks Bob, is there a way to send them not via FaceBook. I am not a user!
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From shawn.sustain at gmail.com  Fri Oct 18 18:19:19 2019
From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 15:19:19 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] lowering mast
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR07MB2860E75AA27F77B47E235124C66C0@DM5PR07MB2860.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1571335010099-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <CAMzGxuMAYL30Pwf8_GUR3tN7coDr69vim_wM0n32PY-7JUutSw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi -
Did you click on the link? It is public so you don't have to belong to FB.

https://www.facebook.com/shawn.boles/media_set?set=a.10151299606977141.487706.593022140&type=1&l=41f7dc116a

Cheers,
Shawn

s/v Sweet Baboo

On Fri, Oct 18, 2019, 3:06 PM Weiss, Robert L <rweiss at siu.edu> wrote:

> Sorry, but I don't see a way to see the pics without a Facebook account.
> The written instructions given here are pretty thorough, but if you want to
> see a step by step photo description, it might be worth making up a generic
> Facebook account to be able to open the page. You don't have to do much to
> have an account without friends.
>
> Bob
> Beach Spring
>
> Robert L Weiss Jr.
> Director of Music
> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
> Professor Emeritus, SIUC
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> gramille <gramille at tds.net>
> Sent: Friday, October 18, 2019 1:26 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] lowering mast
>
> [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.
>
> Thanks Bob, is there a way to send them not via FaceBook. I am not a user!
> G
>
>
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Fri Oct 18 19:40:38 2019
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 23:40:38 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] lowering mast
In-Reply-To: <1571427404627-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1571427404627-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <BL0PR02MB464344971175314C53D7151A806C0@BL0PR02MB4643.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Jesse,

I would be worried about mold, water, and rodent damage if they were left furled on the boat.  I always take them off for the winter.  It?s a good time to inspect both sails.

Roger Pihlaja 
SV Dynamic Equilbrium 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 18, 2019, at 3:26 PM, Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I have the standard GB roller furler for the genoa.  It slides into a grove
> on the furler but it is secured in place with a screw at the top and a screw
> at the bottom instead of being raised with a halyard.  I had to take off my
> genoa for cleaning last Saturday.  I also had to remove the main sail which
> requires some minor repair.  After lowering the mast, I secured the jib
> furler bundle to the mast using the topping lift, and then removed the whole
> mast, and jib bundle from the boat and put it on the grass.  It's not light
> when you have all of that bundled together and I had a couple of people help
> me with moving the mast bundle down to the grass.  Once it was on the grass,
> I unfurled the genoa to remove it.  For the main sail, I slid the furler out
> of the mast, then unfurled it and unscrewed it for removal.
> 
> I plan to keep the GB jib furler as long as it is working well.  If I run
> into problems with that in the future then I may replace it with CDI or some
> other system that makes it possible to take the jib off without lowering the
> mast.
> 
> A follow up question for the group:
> - Do you remove the jib for winter storage?
> - Do you remove the main sail for winter storage?
> 
> I'll keep both sails off the boat this winter since they are already off,
> but I'm not sure about future years.
> 
> I'm getting a mast down winter cover made by the local sailboat shop and it
> would be nice to leave the sails on if I'm able to ensure the furled sails
> are covered.  Any suggestions on this?
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com  Fri Oct 18 22:29:44 2019
From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 19:29:44 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bow Pulpit Cradle for Mast
Message-ID: <1571452184977-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

A guy in my boat yard (not an R22) had a simple solution for a mast cradle on
the bow pulpit. In my very limited boating experience, this looked like a
better idea than tying it to the pulpit. 

George
S/V Knotty Lady
1986 (2010)

2D7CAD44-9F52-4C50-BA82-2F92BCB254A2.jpeg
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From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com  Fri Oct 18 23:26:12 2019
From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 20:26:12 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Deploying And Retrieving Anchor from Cockpit
Message-ID: <1571455572275-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

I?ve been going through the archives looking at all the interesting things
Rhodes discuss. I know there have been discussions about how to deploy an
anchor from the cockpit. I don?t recall reading about the idea below, so I
thought I?d share it. 
There is a drawing which gos with the article which I will try to attach. 

George
S/V Knotty Lady

___________________________________________________________


The Javit Anchor System

One of our readers sent us an interesting idea on how to handle your anchor
particularly if you are single handing your boat or have kids on board.

Mark Javit explained that his father Lewis developed this idea for several
reasons.  He often went out either by himself or with his small kids and
didn't want to risk anyone falling overboard to set the anchor.  He also
didn't want to scuff the fine mahogany finish on his foredeck.  Lewis like
to fish and he like the mahogany.

This is what Lewis Javit came up with.

62435511-75BE-45D8-8F17-DAD7664C131D.jpeg
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/62435511-75BE-45D8-8F17-DAD7664C131D.jpeg>  
 
This picture shows the rode in mid-deployment or mid-retrieval.  It is
important to fully deploy the anchor rode so your vessel is properly
anchored and secured in the proper orientation.
The Setup

The anchor is stowed in one of the cockpit lockers with the rode attached. 
The rode is run from the anchor to the bow and firmly attached there.  The
remainder of the rode is kept with the anchor in the locker.

Now here's the tricky part.  A tag line (shown in red) is attached to the
rode via a pulley which allows the rode to easily slip along the end of the
tag line.  The tag line is long enough to reach from the stern to the bow
with a little extra to tie off to the stern and to remain slack when
deployed.

Deploying the Anchor

You simply drop the anchor overboard from the cockpit and allow the rode to
pay out until it begins to snug against the tag line.  You then let the tag
line pay out until the pulley reaches the bow, give it a little extra slack
and then cleat off the cockpit end of the tag.

Retrieving the Anchor

To retrieve the anchor pull the tag line back into the cockpit until you can
reach the anchor rode.  Grab onto the rode and pull it back into the boat
until the anchor is retrieved.




--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From mark at whipplefamily.com  Sat Oct 19 10:30:04 2019
From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 10:30:04 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] lowering mast
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR02MB464344971175314C53D7151A806C0@BL0PR02MB4643.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1571427404627-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <BL0PR02MB464344971175314C53D7151A806C0@BL0PR02MB4643.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CA+WP5ARUud0oYtD2oGG4eqxV5JjVkJPLwewH3d9an35i8tZx+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Can someone tell me the length of the chains? My boat did not come with
them and raising the mast was a bit dicey. I'd like a little more
side-to-side stability.

Thanks,
Mark Whipple
S/V Tiny Dancer
Boston, MA

On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 7:40 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Jesse,
>
> I would be worried about mold, water, and rodent damage if they were left
> furled on the boat.  I always take them off for the winter.  It?s a good
> time to inspect both sails.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> SV Dynamic Equilbrium
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 18, 2019, at 3:26 PM, Jesse Shumaker <
> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?I have the standard GB roller furler for the genoa.  It slides into a
> grove
> > on the furler but it is secured in place with a screw at the top and a
> screw
> > at the bottom instead of being raised with a halyard.  I had to take off
> my
> > genoa for cleaning last Saturday.  I also had to remove the main sail
> which
> > requires some minor repair.  After lowering the mast, I secured the jib
> > furler bundle to the mast using the topping lift, and then removed the
> whole
> > mast, and jib bundle from the boat and put it on the grass.  It's not
> light
> > when you have all of that bundled together and I had a couple of people
> help
> > me with moving the mast bundle down to the grass.  Once it was on the
> grass,
> > I unfurled the genoa to remove it.  For the main sail, I slid the furler
> out
> > of the mast, then unfurled it and unscrewed it for removal.
> >
> > I plan to keep the GB jib furler as long as it is working well.  If I run
> > into problems with that in the future then I may replace it with CDI or
> some
> > other system that makes it possible to take the jib off without lowering
> the
> > mast.
> >
> > A follow up question for the group:
> > - Do you remove the jib for winter storage?
> > - Do you remove the main sail for winter storage?
> >
> > I'll keep both sails off the boat this winter since they are already off,
> > but I'm not sure about future years.
> >
> > I'm getting a mast down winter cover made by the local sailboat shop and
> it
> > would be nice to leave the sails on if I'm able to ensure the furled
> sails
> > are covered.  Any suggestions on this?
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From retiredtoby at gmail.com  Sat Oct 19 12:17:18 2019
From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 12:17:18 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] lowering mast
In-Reply-To: <CA+WP5ARUud0oYtD2oGG4eqxV5JjVkJPLwewH3d9an35i8tZx+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1571427404627-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <BL0PR02MB464344971175314C53D7151A806C0@BL0PR02MB4643.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <CA+WP5ARUud0oYtD2oGG4eqxV5JjVkJPLwewH3d9an35i8tZx+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPQvPRrSxh0EMLwhRsSjSgAgcVMstDG5fg2xj_scO0rMr86MgA@mail.gmail.com>

Mark, my chains are on my boat, but I think they are about 12 to 14 inches
long. I stopped using the chains because though better than no chains the
system left a lot to be desired as far as the distance the mast would
swing. I saw my marina friend's system on his Catalina 22 MKII. So I rigged
a quick and simple system that works well for me. Six feet up the mast I
wrap and tie 18 foot of 1/4 inch line from the center of line length. Then
I use duct tape to hold the wrap in place and attach the loose ends to the
hand rails on the cabin top using a double half hitch knot, both port and
starboard.  I does not sway near as much as when I use the chain system.
Cheap and easy to put up and take down.  Hopefully this has not confused
you too much.
Cary Tolbert
S/V Whisper
Radford VA

On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 10:30 AM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
wrote:

> Can someone tell me the length of the chains? My boat did not come with
> them and raising the mast was a bit dicey. I'd like a little more
> side-to-side stability.
>
> Thanks,
> Mark Whipple
> S/V Tiny Dancer
> Boston, MA
>
> On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 7:40 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Jesse,
> >
> > I would be worried about mold, water, and rodent damage if they were left
> > furled on the boat.  I always take them off for the winter.  It?s a good
> > time to inspect both sails.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > SV Dynamic Equilbrium
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Oct 18, 2019, at 3:26 PM, Jesse Shumaker <
> > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > ?I have the standard GB roller furler for the genoa.  It slides into a
> > grove
> > > on the furler but it is secured in place with a screw at the top and a
> > screw
> > > at the bottom instead of being raised with a halyard.  I had to take
> off
> > my
> > > genoa for cleaning last Saturday.  I also had to remove the main sail
> > which
> > > requires some minor repair.  After lowering the mast, I secured the jib
> > > furler bundle to the mast using the topping lift, and then removed the
> > whole
> > > mast, and jib bundle from the boat and put it on the grass.  It's not
> > light
> > > when you have all of that bundled together and I had a couple of people
> > help
> > > me with moving the mast bundle down to the grass.  Once it was on the
> > grass,
> > > I unfurled the genoa to remove it.  For the main sail, I slid the
> furler
> > out
> > > of the mast, then unfurled it and unscrewed it for removal.
> > >
> > > I plan to keep the GB jib furler as long as it is working well.  If I
> run
> > > into problems with that in the future then I may replace it with CDI or
> > some
> > > other system that makes it possible to take the jib off without
> lowering
> > the
> > > mast.
> > >
> > > A follow up question for the group:
> > > - Do you remove the jib for winter storage?
> > > - Do you remove the main sail for winter storage?
> > >
> > > I'll keep both sails off the boat this winter since they are already
> off,
> > > but I'm not sure about future years.
> > >
> > > I'm getting a mast down winter cover made by the local sailboat shop
> and
> > it
> > > would be nice to leave the sails on if I'm able to ensure the furled
> > sails
> > > are covered.  Any suggestions on this?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >
>

From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Sat Oct 19 13:11:46 2019
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 13:11:46 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Deploying And Retrieving Anchor from Cockpit
In-Reply-To: <1571455572275-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1571455572275-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CABkv36aOet2vEVKcp9Xez7OabddNG17sROfMyEixJy01_GZUXQ@mail.gmail.com>

George,

If you demonstrate this to the Coast Guard during a safety stop, I think
they would tow your boat.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 11:16 PM Gmorganflier <gmorgan.flier at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I?ve been going through the archives looking at all the interesting things
> Rhodes discuss. I know there have been discussions about how to deploy an
> anchor from the cockpit. I don?t recall reading about the idea below, so I
> thought I?d share it.
> There is a drawing which gos with the article which I will try to attach.
>
> George
> S/V Knotty Lady
>
> ___________________________________________________________
>
>
> The Javit Anchor System
>
> One of our readers sent us an interesting idea on how to handle your anchor
> particularly if you are single handing your boat or have kids on board.
>
> Mark Javit explained that his father Lewis developed this idea for several
> reasons.  He often went out either by himself or with his small kids and
> didn't want to risk anyone falling overboard to set the anchor.  He also
> didn't want to scuff the fine mahogany finish on his foredeck.  Lewis like
> to fish and he like the mahogany.
>
> This is what Lewis Javit came up with.
>
> 62435511-75BE-45D8-8F17-DAD7664C131D.jpeg
> <
> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/62435511-75BE-45D8-8F17-DAD7664C131D.jpeg>
>
>
> This picture shows the rode in mid-deployment or mid-retrieval.  It is
> important to fully deploy the anchor rode so your vessel is properly
> anchored and secured in the proper orientation.
> The Setup
>
> The anchor is stowed in one of the cockpit lockers with the rode attached.
> The rode is run from the anchor to the bow and firmly attached there.  The
> remainder of the rode is kept with the anchor in the locker.
>
> Now here's the tricky part.  A tag line (shown in red) is attached to the
> rode via a pulley which allows the rode to easily slip along the end of the
> tag line.  The tag line is long enough to reach from the stern to the bow
> with a little extra to tie off to the stern and to remain slack when
> deployed.
>
> Deploying the Anchor
>
> You simply drop the anchor overboard from the cockpit and allow the rode to
> pay out until it begins to snug against the tag line.  You then let the tag
> line pay out until the pulley reaches the bow, give it a little extra slack
> and then cleat off the cockpit end of the tag.
>
> Retrieving the Anchor
>
> To retrieve the anchor pull the tag line back into the cockpit until you
> can
> reach the anchor rode.  Grab onto the rode and pull it back into the boat
> until the anchor is retrieved.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com  Sat Oct 19 16:54:07 2019
From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 13:54:07 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Deploying And Retrieving Anchor from Cockpit
In-Reply-To: <CABkv36aOet2vEVKcp9Xez7OabddNG17sROfMyEixJy01_GZUXQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1571455572275-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CABkv36aOet2vEVKcp9Xez7OabddNG17sROfMyEixJy01_GZUXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1571518447010-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Hi Rick,

I?m totally new to boating and have been out on my R22 only four times. Can
you tell me why the Coast Guard would object to this method of anchor
deployment? Is there a recommended study guide I could access to learn about
their rules. I?ve found info on the required safety equipment, but don?t
recall seeing any regulations on anchors. 

Thanks,
George




--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From retiredtoby at gmail.com  Sat Oct 19 17:42:57 2019
From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 17:42:57 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Deploying And Retrieving Anchor from Cockpit
In-Reply-To: <1571518447010-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1571455572275-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CABkv36aOet2vEVKcp9Xez7OabddNG17sROfMyEixJy01_GZUXQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1571518447010-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAPQvPRq4DzLhjok_c-LqjqbSjLH=imJAutKVK+pPQK5=d+Rnog@mail.gmail.com>

George, in my copy of " A Boater's Guide to the Federal Requirements for
Recreational Boats" Printed in RED INK it says DO NOT
Anchor from the stern. Then explains why this is a bad idea.

On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 4:44 PM Gmorganflier <gmorgan.flier at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Rick,
>
> I?m totally new to boating and have been out on my R22 only four times. Can
> you tell me why the Coast Guard would object to this method of anchor
> deployment? Is there a recommended study guide I could access to learn
> about
> their rules. I?ve found info on the required safety equipment, but don?t
> recall seeing any regulations on anchors.
>
> Thanks,
> George
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sat Oct 19 17:51:27 2019
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 17:51:27 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Deploying And Retrieving Anchor from Cockpit
In-Reply-To: <1571455572275-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1571455572275-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4CC8F6CD-0DEA-4757-94BE-2E7C32E6E75E@sunnybeeches.com>

George,

This approach sounds familiar. I think there may be something similar described somewhere in the archives, but that doesn?t mean it would be easy to find.

I don?t see anything fundamentally wrong with the concept of the ?tag line?, but I?ve got concerns about how the anchor rode itself is to be managed.  The rode is described as being ?firmly attached at the bow?, but when was it attached, and how much rode is there between the attachment point and the anchor (the scope)?  However much has been allocated for the scope, there should be a lot more anchor rode available in reserve.  Where is that? Is it secure?

I don?t think the concept is unworkable, but there seem to still be details to be worked out.

In my first year with my boat, I played around with deploying and retrieving from the cockpit, but found that it was much easier to deal with the anchor while standing on the bow.  If you?re in an anchorage that?s so rough that you?re concerned for you safety on the bow, it?s not a very good anchorage.

?Peter 


> On Oct 18, 2019, at 11:26 PM, Gmorganflier <gmorgan.flier at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I?ve been going through the archives looking at all the interesting things
> Rhodes discuss. I know there have been discussions about how to deploy an
> anchor from the cockpit. I don?t recall reading about the idea below, so I
> thought I?d share it. 
> There is a drawing which gos with the article which I will try to attach. 
> 
> George
> S/V Knotty Lady
> 
> ___________________________________________________________
> 
> 
> The Javit Anchor System
> 
> One of our readers sent us an interesting idea on how to handle your anchor
> particularly if you are single handing your boat or have kids on board.
> 
> Mark Javit explained that his father Lewis developed this idea for several
> reasons.  He often went out either by himself or with his small kids and
> didn't want to risk anyone falling overboard to set the anchor.  He also
> didn't want to scuff the fine mahogany finish on his foredeck.  Lewis like
> to fish and he like the mahogany.
> 
> This is what Lewis Javit came up with.
> 
> 62435511-75BE-45D8-8F17-DAD7664C131D.jpeg
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/62435511-75BE-45D8-8F17-DAD7664C131D.jpeg>  
> 
> This picture shows the rode in mid-deployment or mid-retrieval.  It is
> important to fully deploy the anchor rode so your vessel is properly
> anchored and secured in the proper orientation.
> The Setup
> 
> The anchor is stowed in one of the cockpit lockers with the rode attached. 
> The rode is run from the anchor to the bow and firmly attached there.  The
> remainder of the rode is kept with the anchor in the locker.
> 
> Now here's the tricky part.  A tag line (shown in red) is attached to the
> rode via a pulley which allows the rode to easily slip along the end of the
> tag line.  The tag line is long enough to reach from the stern to the bow
> with a little extra to tie off to the stern and to remain slack when
> deployed.
> 
> Deploying the Anchor
> 
> You simply drop the anchor overboard from the cockpit and allow the rode to
> pay out until it begins to snug against the tag line.  You then let the tag
> line pay out until the pulley reaches the bow, give it a little extra slack
> and then cleat off the cockpit end of the tag.
> 
> Retrieving the Anchor
> 
> To retrieve the anchor pull the tag line back into the cockpit until you can
> reach the anchor rode.  Grab onto the rode and pull it back into the boat
> until the anchor is retrieved.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/


From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sat Oct 19 17:54:01 2019
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 17:54:01 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Deploying And Retrieving Anchor from Cockpit
In-Reply-To: <CAPQvPRq4DzLhjok_c-LqjqbSjLH=imJAutKVK+pPQK5=d+Rnog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1571455572275-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CABkv36aOet2vEVKcp9Xez7OabddNG17sROfMyEixJy01_GZUXQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1571518447010-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CAPQvPRq4DzLhjok_c-LqjqbSjLH=imJAutKVK+pPQK5=d+Rnog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EE472405-8F62-4046-9E63-8719D16F8239@sunnybeeches.com>

Cory,

George was not suggesting anchoring from the stern in the sense you mean.  In his scenario, the rode is secured at the bow.

?Peter


> On Oct 19, 2019, at 5:42 PM, Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> George, in my copy of " A Boater's Guide to the Federal Requirements for
> Recreational Boats" Printed in RED INK it says DO NOT
> Anchor from the stern. Then explains why this is a bad idea.
> 
> On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 4:44 PM Gmorganflier <gmorgan.flier at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Rick,
>> 
>> I?m totally new to boating and have been out on my R22 only four times. Can
>> you tell me why the Coast Guard would object to this method of anchor
>> deployment? Is there a recommended study guide I could access to learn
>> about
>> their rules. I?ve found info on the required safety equipment, but don?t
>> recall seeing any regulations on anchors.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> George
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>> 


From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com  Sat Oct 19 18:05:22 2019
From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 15:05:22 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Deploying And Retrieving Anchor from Cockpit
In-Reply-To: <CAPQvPRq4DzLhjok_c-LqjqbSjLH=imJAutKVK+pPQK5=d+Rnog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1571455572275-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CABkv36aOet2vEVKcp9Xez7OabddNG17sROfMyEixJy01_GZUXQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1571518447010-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CAPQvPRq4DzLhjok_c-LqjqbSjLH=imJAutKVK+pPQK5=d+Rnog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1571522722213-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Thanks for the reply Ric...I agree anchoring from the stern would not be
ideal, but the method I posted has the anchor connected to the bow as it
should be. 

George



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Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com  Sat Oct 19 19:46:00 2019
From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com (Luis Guzman)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 19:46:00 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Deploying And Retrieving Anchor from Cockpit
In-Reply-To: <CAPQvPRq4DzLhjok_c-LqjqbSjLH=imJAutKVK+pPQK5=d+Rnog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1571455572275-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CABkv36aOet2vEVKcp9Xez7OabddNG17sROfMyEixJy01_GZUXQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1571518447010-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CAPQvPRq4DzLhjok_c-LqjqbSjLH=imJAutKVK+pPQK5=d+Rnog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9CCE5E5B-3AEE-49FD-9916-674DC7E49E8D@gmail.com>

Cary,

I see this as an anchor deployment/retrieval method.  The anchor is still attached to the bow. 

I imagine that you still need to walk to the bow to tie/untie the anchor.


Luis A. Guzm?n II
http://www.TropicalMinds.com
941 580-1577

> On Oct 19, 2019, at 5:42 PM, Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> George, in my copy of " A Boater's Guide to the Federal Requirements for
> Recreational Boats" Printed in RED INK it says DO NOT
> Anchor from the stern. Then explains why this is a bad idea.
> 
> On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 4:44 PM Gmorganflier <gmorgan.flier at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Rick,
>> 
>> I?m totally new to boating and have been out on my R22 only four times. Can
>> you tell me why the Coast Guard would object to this method of anchor
>> deployment? Is there a recommended study guide I could access to learn
>> about
>> their rules. I?ve found info on the required safety equipment, but don?t
>> recall seeing any regulations on anchors.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> George
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>> 


From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat Oct 19 20:32:32 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 19:32:32 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] lowering mast
In-Reply-To: <1571358537344-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1571335010099-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1571358537344-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiUH0bx4Mg7A8HqTBWzKeXNSBnzgX7-0bHd8E+HwiNhM=w@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks even after all these years it is good to have this list.!

Chris Geankoplis

On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 7:19 PM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> See the attachments for a mast lowering checklist that I compiled using
> information from past threads on the forum as well info from GB manuals.
> Feel free to download, improve upon this and upload a better version.  I
> just lowered the mast last Saturday without any issues.  The mast hoist
> system is very helpful.  Good luck!
>
> MastLoweringChecklist20191017.pdf
> <
> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/MastLoweringChecklist20191017.pdf>
>
> MastLoweringChecklist20191017.docx
> <
> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/MastLoweringChecklist20191017.docx>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Sun Oct 20 15:37:12 2019
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 15:37:12 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Deploying And Retrieving Anchor from Cockpit
In-Reply-To: <9CCE5E5B-3AEE-49FD-9916-674DC7E49E8D@gmail.com>
References: <1571455572275-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CABkv36aOet2vEVKcp9Xez7OabddNG17sROfMyEixJy01_GZUXQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1571518447010-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CAPQvPRq4DzLhjok_c-LqjqbSjLH=imJAutKVK+pPQK5=d+Rnog@mail.gmail.com>
 <9CCE5E5B-3AEE-49FD-9916-674DC7E49E8D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABkv36Zo0fkss_sHSRz=mvgwTvjgMUF-9wf2aGeupwF6D4SOgQ@mail.gmail.com>

When you pull up the anchor from anywhere but the bow, regardless of where
the bitter end of the rode is attached, you will swing the boat abeam of
the waves.  This is an all too common cause of swamping and even capsizing
the boat.

If you raise or lower the anchor from anywhere other than the security of
sitting in the bow pulpit, you risk being pulled overboard.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 7:46 PM Luis Guzman <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Cary,
>
> I see this as an anchor deployment/retrieval method.  The anchor is still
> attached to the bow.
>
> I imagine that you still need to walk to the bow to tie/untie the anchor.
>
>
> Luis A. Guzm?n II
> http://www.TropicalMinds.com
> 941 580-1577
>
> > On Oct 19, 2019, at 5:42 PM, Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > George, in my copy of " A Boater's Guide to the Federal Requirements for
> > Recreational Boats" Printed in RED INK it says DO NOT
> > Anchor from the stern. Then explains why this is a bad idea.
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 4:44 PM Gmorganflier <gmorgan.flier at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Rick,
> >>
> >> I?m totally new to boating and have been out on my R22 only four times.
> Can
> >> you tell me why the Coast Guard would object to this method of anchor
> >> deployment? Is there a recommended study guide I could access to learn
> >> about
> >> their rules. I?ve found info on the required safety equipment, but don?t
> >> recall seeing any regulations on anchors.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> George
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >>
>
>

From blue66corvette at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 20 20:46:02 2019
From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 00:46:02 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Deploying And Retrieving Anchor from Cockpit
In-Reply-To: <CABkv36Zo0fkss_sHSRz=mvgwTvjgMUF-9wf2aGeupwF6D4SOgQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1571455572275-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CABkv36aOet2vEVKcp9Xez7OabddNG17sROfMyEixJy01_GZUXQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1571518447010-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CAPQvPRq4DzLhjok_c-LqjqbSjLH=imJAutKVK+pPQK5=d+Rnog@mail.gmail.com>
 <9CCE5E5B-3AEE-49FD-9916-674DC7E49E8D@gmail.com>,
 <CABkv36Zo0fkss_sHSRz=mvgwTvjgMUF-9wf2aGeupwF6D4SOgQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MN2PR19MB3518A5671A473C0BD40C2870D9690@MN2PR19MB3518.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Is this a ?don?t ask me how I know? thing???

Sent from my iPhone

Charles 

> On Oct 20, 2019, at 2:37 PM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> When you pull up the anchor from anywhere but the bow, regardless of where
> the bitter end of the rode is attached, you will swing the boat abeam of
> the waves.  This is an all too common cause of swamping and even capsizing
> the boat.
> 
> If you raise or lower the anchor from anywhere other than the security of
> sitting in the bow pulpit, you risk being pulled overboard.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Rick Lange
> 
> 
> On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 7:46 PM Luis Guzman <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Cary,
>> 
>> I see this as an anchor deployment/retrieval method.  The anchor is still
>> attached to the bow.
>> 
>> I imagine that you still need to walk to the bow to tie/untie the anchor.
>> 
>> 
>> Luis A. Guzm?n II
>> http://www.TropicalMinds.com
>> 941 580-1577
>> 
>>> On Oct 19, 2019, at 5:42 PM, Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> George, in my copy of " A Boater's Guide to the Federal Requirements for
>>> Recreational Boats" Printed in RED INK it says DO NOT
>>> Anchor from the stern. Then explains why this is a bad idea.
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 4:44 PM Gmorganflier <gmorgan.flier at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Rick,
>>>> 
>>>> I?m totally new to boating and have been out on my R22 only four times.
>> Can
>>>> you tell me why the Coast Guard would object to this method of anchor
>>>> deployment? Is there a recommended study guide I could access to learn
>>>> about
>>>> their rules. I?ve found info on the required safety equipment, but don?t
>>>> recall seeing any regulations on anchors.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> George
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>>>> 
>> 
>> 

From allynb at adsne.com  Sun Oct 20 21:21:00 2019
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 01:21:00 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Several Questions about a New-to-Me Rhodes 22
Message-ID: <SN6PR19MB238165DA5C03ADE1283628BCDC690@SN6PR19MB2381.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

It's probably not good etiquette to ask several questions at once, but I'll see how far I get. I just brought home a 2001 Rhodes 22, and I purchased it as sight-unseen, but I figured for the price it was worth it. There were a few things misrepresented, but I'm pleased overall.

1) The solar panels are no good. They are cracked, and I'd like more capacity. Has anyone upgraded to 100W solar?
2) The water tank has been replaced with a blue storage container like what you'd get from Walmart. The lid is screwed on with 3 dozen or more screws, but I don't want to take it apart. That needs to go. What is an acceptable replacement?
3) I'm going to be spending an extended time cruising next summer, and I need to install a bilge pump. The most logical place I can find is under the battery next to the head. I'm not sure how to get the water out, but the sink seems reasonable. I'm not able to see how to get the drain line to the sink since no floor panels life out.
4) The previous owner tied a spreader down when he moved it. It doesn't look bent, but one side seems considerably looser than the other. I don't see how to tighten these down. Any suggestions?
5) I'd like to replace the water line to the sink. Again, I don't see a way to access it to do this. Any help?
6) I don't believe the boat has been sailed since 2011. The genoa has had the edge exposed to the sunlight since then, and it's faded. I'm expecting it to be weak. Are there suggestions for a source for Rhodes sails?
7) I pull loose the power distribution panel, and the anchor light wires are cut about 5" from where they are screwed on. I don't see the cut end anywhere behind the panel. Any suggestions as to how to get access to the wires? Do I have to drop the headliner?

Thanks - Baker
8) Is there a source for the mast stepper or plans for a DIY?


From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sun Oct 20 22:45:59 2019
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 22:45:59 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Several Questions about a New-to-Me Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <SN6PR19MB238165DA5C03ADE1283628BCDC690@SN6PR19MB2381.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SN6PR19MB238165DA5C03ADE1283628BCDC690@SN6PR19MB2381.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <7E6E5717-0BD9-4FA7-9603-A248828DE839@sunnybeeches.com>

Allyn (or Baker),

Welcome to Rhodes 22 world.  That is a lot of questions.  I?ll take a poke at a few of them, but first?

Since you found this list, I?ll assume you found the home website (rhodes22.org).  There?s a FAQ section there that has a lot of nicely categorized information.  Also, the history of this email list going back to 2002 is browsable and searchable (rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/).

1) The two small solar panels that I?m assuming came with your boat are enough for most people.  The simplest thing to do would be to try to replace your cracked units with similar ones.  I, for better or worse, am not ?most people? when it comes to my Rhodes 22, so while I have installed a 100 watt panel, I found that was not enough, so now I have 2 of them.  I make YouTube videos about my boat which you should be able to find by searching for ?s/v Silverheels?.  For solar installation info, look for episodes 29 and 60.

3) Why do think you need a bilge pump?  I do a lot of cruising, and I don?t have a bilge pump.  I do get some water in the bilge.  I?m pretty sure that for the most part it comes in from the deck/hull joint when I bury the rail.  I try not to bury the rail, but when I do, a few minutes with a sponge and a bucket takes care of the problem.  I could go on, but? most people who do install bilge pumps do tie them in to the sink drain with a ?Tee? fitting of some sort.  I?m not sure what you mean when you say that ?no floor panels lift out?. The entire interior of the Rhodes 22 cabin can be removed.   You  just need to keep removing screws.

4) I?m not sure about the spreaders.  There?s a bolt that goes through the mast that holds the base of both spreaders in place.  I don?t see how one could be loose without the other.  In any event, tying the spreaders down when moving the boat is SOP, so the previous owner did nothing wrong or unusual in this regard.

5) I don?t see why the water line to sink would be in any way inaccessible, but I?ll use this as an opportunity to point out that not all Rhodes 22?s are identical.  It would be helpful to know if your boat has a fully enclosed head (i.e. has a door), or a semi-enclosed head (i.e. does not have a door). 

6) Most Rhodes sails have been made by Doyle Sails.  I can personally recommend Chris Howes as a contact (chowes at doylesails.com).

7) There is no headliner in the usual sense.  General Boats prides itself on the number of molds used in the construction of the boat.  The entire visible interior surface is the product of one of those molds.  Nothing in the overhead or sides of the cabin is accessible. Fortunately, I doubt the anchor light wiring is in these inaccessible spaces.  Unfortunately, although you can probably get to the anchor light wires, you would probably have to disassemble most of the cabin to do so.  This is probably less work than you imagine. 

8) Another list member has recently asked me for details about the Rhodes 22 mast raising and lowering gizmo.  He had wanted to buy one from Stan (General Boats), and Stan had said that he would bring one to the Annapolis show, but he didn?t.  So, I?m in the process of putting together that documentation, and I?d be happy to send you a copy as well.


So, there?s that. But we tend to be a reasonably sociable group here on the Rhodes 22 list (that?s why there?s a list), and we?re all left wondering about you, and your boat.  And believe me, we care about both.  A little more background information would be appreciated.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)



> On Oct 20, 2019, at 9:21 PM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
> 
> It's probably not good etiquette to ask several questions at once, but I'll see how far I get. I just brought home a 2001 Rhodes 22, and I purchased it as sight-unseen, but I figured for the price it was worth it. There were a few things misrepresented, but I'm pleased overall.
> 
> 1) The solar panels are no good. They are cracked, and I'd like more capacity. Has anyone upgraded to 100W solar?
> 2) The water tank has been replaced with a blue storage container like what you'd get from Walmart. The lid is screwed on with 3 dozen or more screws, but I don't want to take it apart. That needs to go. What is an acceptable replacement?
> 3) I'm going to be spending an extended time cruising next summer, and I need to install a bilge pump. The most logical place I can find is under the battery next to the head. I'm not sure how to get the water out, but the sink seems reasonable. I'm not able to see how to get the drain line to the sink since no floor panels life out.
> 4) The previous owner tied a spreader down when he moved it. It doesn't look bent, but one side seems considerably looser than the other. I don't see how to tighten these down. Any suggestions?
> 5) I'd like to replace the water line to the sink. Again, I don't see a way to access it to do this. Any help?
> 6) I don't believe the boat has been sailed since 2011. The genoa has had the edge exposed to the sunlight since then, and it's faded. I'm expecting it to be weak. Are there suggestions for a source for Rhodes sails?
> 7) I pull loose the power distribution panel, and the anchor light wires are cut about 5" from where they are screwed on. I don't see the cut end anywhere behind the panel. Any suggestions as to how to get access to the wires? Do I have to drop the headliner?
> 
> Thanks - Baker
> 8) Is there a source for the mast stepper or plans for a DIY?
> 


From tvpolise at aol.com  Mon Oct 21 08:17:24 2019
From: tvpolise at aol.com (Thomas Polise)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 08:17:24 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Several Questions about a New-to-Me Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <7E6E5717-0BD9-4FA7-9603-A248828DE839@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <SN6PR19MB238165DA5C03ADE1283628BCDC690@SN6PR19MB2381.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
 <7E6E5717-0BD9-4FA7-9603-A248828DE839@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <CE45DF5A-8145-4B0C-82B1-9525FA72D4FD@aol.com>

Peter, do you know where to get replacement solar panels to match those provided by GB?

> On Oct 20, 2019, at 10:45 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> Allyn (or Baker),
> 
> Welcome to Rhodes 22 world.  That is a lot of questions.  I?ll take a poke at a few of them, but first?
> 
> Since you found this list, I?ll assume you found the home website (rhodes22.org).  There?s a FAQ section there that has a lot of nicely categorized information.  Also, the history of this email list going back to 2002 is browsable and searchable (rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/).
> 
> 1) The two small solar panels that I?m assuming came with your boat are enough for most people.  The simplest thing to do would be to try to replace your cracked units with similar ones.  I, for better or worse, am not ?most people? when it comes to my Rhodes 22, so while I have installed a 100 watt panel, I found that was not enough, so now I have 2 of them.  I make YouTube videos about my boat which you should be able to find by searching for ?s/v Silverheels?.  For solar installation info, look for episodes 29 and 60.
> 
> 3) Why do think you need a bilge pump?  I do a lot of cruising, and I don?t have a bilge pump.  I do get some water in the bilge.  I?m pretty sure that for the most part it comes in from the deck/hull joint when I bury the rail.  I try not to bury the rail, but when I do, a few minutes with a sponge and a bucket takes care of the problem.  I could go on, but? most people who do install bilge pumps do tie them in to the sink drain with a ?Tee? fitting of some sort.  I?m not sure what you mean when you say that ?no floor panels lift out?. The entire interior of the Rhodes 22 cabin can be removed.   You  just need to keep removing screws.
> 
> 4) I?m not sure about the spreaders.  There?s a bolt that goes through the mast that holds the base of both spreaders in place.  I don?t see how one could be loose without the other.  In any event, tying the spreaders down when moving the boat is SOP, so the previous owner did nothing wrong or unusual in this regard.
> 
> 5) I don?t see why the water line to sink would be in any way inaccessible, but I?ll use this as an opportunity to point out that not all Rhodes 22?s are identical.  It would be helpful to know if your boat has a fully enclosed head (i.e. has a door), or a semi-enclosed head (i.e. does not have a door). 
> 
> 6) Most Rhodes sails have been made by Doyle Sails.  I can personally recommend Chris Howes as a contact (chowes at doylesails.com).
> 
> 7) There is no headliner in the usual sense.  General Boats prides itself on the number of molds used in the construction of the boat.  The entire visible interior surface is the product of one of those molds.  Nothing in the overhead or sides of the cabin is accessible. Fortunately, I doubt the anchor light wiring is in these inaccessible spaces.  Unfortunately, although you can probably get to the anchor light wires, you would probably have to disassemble most of the cabin to do so.  This is probably less work than you imagine. 
> 
> 8) Another list member has recently asked me for details about the Rhodes 22 mast raising and lowering gizmo.  He had wanted to buy one from Stan (General Boats), and Stan had said that he would bring one to the Annapolis show, but he didn?t.  So, I?m in the process of putting together that documentation, and I?d be happy to send you a copy as well.
> 
> 
> So, there?s that. But we tend to be a reasonably sociable group here on the Rhodes 22 list (that?s why there?s a list), and we?re all left wondering about you, and your boat.  And believe me, we care about both.  A little more background information would be appreciated.
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2019, at 9:21 PM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It's probably not good etiquette to ask several questions at once, but I'll see how far I get. I just brought home a 2001 Rhodes 22, and I purchased it as sight-unseen, but I figured for the price it was worth it. There were a few things misrepresented, but I'm pleased overall.
>> 
>> 1) The solar panels are no good. They are cracked, and I'd like more capacity. Has anyone upgraded to 100W solar?
>> 2) The water tank has been replaced with a blue storage container like what you'd get from Walmart. The lid is screwed on with 3 dozen or more screws, but I don't want to take it apart. That needs to go. What is an acceptable replacement?
>> 3) I'm going to be spending an extended time cruising next summer, and I need to install a bilge pump. The most logical place I can find is under the battery next to the head. I'm not sure how to get the water out, but the sink seems reasonable. I'm not able to see how to get the drain line to the sink since no floor panels life out.
>> 4) The previous owner tied a spreader down when he moved it. It doesn't look bent, but one side seems considerably looser than the other. I don't see how to tighten these down. Any suggestions?
>> 5) I'd like to replace the water line to the sink. Again, I don't see a way to access it to do this. Any help?
>> 6) I don't believe the boat has been sailed since 2011. The genoa has had the edge exposed to the sunlight since then, and it's faded. I'm expecting it to be weak. Are there suggestions for a source for Rhodes sails?
>> 7) I pull loose the power distribution panel, and the anchor light wires are cut about 5" from where they are screwed on. I don't see the cut end anywhere behind the panel. Any suggestions as to how to get access to the wires? Do I have to drop the headliner?
>> 
>> Thanks - Baker
>> 8) Is there a source for the mast stepper or plans for a DIY?
>> 
> 


From allynb at adsne.com  Mon Oct 21 10:42:25 2019
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 14:42:25 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Several Questions about a New-to-Me Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <7E6E5717-0BD9-4FA7-9603-A248828DE839@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <SN6PR19MB238165DA5C03ADE1283628BCDC690@SN6PR19MB2381.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
 <7E6E5717-0BD9-4FA7-9603-A248828DE839@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <SN6PR19MB23819AB41550521A14A40C9DDC690@SN6PR19MB2381.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks for the great info, Peter. Yeah, I use Baker for my online presence. I missed the searchable area, so I'll check that out. 

1) I'll check our your videos.
3) I'm planning on doing some coastal cruising next summer for a month in the Pacific Northwest, so regarding the bilge pump, it's to ensure there aren't problems. I think a lot of boats in this size don't have bilge pumps, but I don't want problems.
4) I'll look at the spreaders again tonight.
5) and 7) This has a fully enclosed head. I wasn't aware this could be taken apart. I'll pull back some of the carpet and look around for screws. 
6) Thanks for the POC at Doyle.

Thanks again.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2019 9:46 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Several Questions about a New-to-Me Rhodes 22

Allyn (or Baker),

Welcome to Rhodes 22 world.  That is a lot of questions.  I?ll take a poke at a few of them, but first?

Since you found this list, I?ll assume you found the home website (rhodes22.org).  There?s a FAQ section there that has a lot of nicely categorized information.  Also, the history of this email list going back to 2002 is browsable and searchable (rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/).

1) The two small solar panels that I?m assuming came with your boat are enough for most people.  The simplest thing to do would be to try to replace your cracked units with similar ones.  I, for better or worse, am not ?most people? when it comes to my Rhodes 22, so while I have installed a 100 watt panel, I found that was not enough, so now I have 2 of them.  I make YouTube videos about my boat which you should be able to find by searching for ?s/v Silverheels?.  For solar installation info, look for episodes 29 and 60.

3) Why do think you need a bilge pump?  I do a lot of cruising, and I don?t have a bilge pump.  I do get some water in the bilge.  I?m pretty sure that for the most part it comes in from the deck/hull joint when I bury the rail.  I try not to bury the rail, but when I do, a few minutes with a sponge and a bucket takes care of the problem.  I could go on, but? most people who do install bilge pumps do tie them in to the sink drain with a ?Tee? fitting of some sort.  I?m not sure what you mean when you say that ?no floor panels lift out?. The entire interior of the Rhodes 22 cabin can be removed.   You  just need to keep removing screws.

4) I?m not sure about the spreaders.  There?s a bolt that goes through the mast that holds the base of both spreaders in place.  I don?t see how one could be loose without the other.  In any event, tying the spreaders down when moving the boat is SOP, so the previous owner did nothing wrong or unusual in this regard.

5) I don?t see why the water line to sink would be in any way inaccessible, but I?ll use this as an opportunity to point out that not all Rhodes 22?s are identical.  It would be helpful to know if your boat has a fully enclosed head (i.e. has a door), or a semi-enclosed head (i.e. does not have a door). 

6) Most Rhodes sails have been made by Doyle Sails.  I can personally recommend Chris Howes as a contact (chowes at doylesails.com).

7) There is no headliner in the usual sense.  General Boats prides itself on the number of molds used in the construction of the boat.  The entire visible interior surface is the product of one of those molds.  Nothing in the overhead or sides of the cabin is accessible. Fortunately, I doubt the anchor light wiring is in these inaccessible spaces.  Unfortunately, although you can probably get to the anchor light wires, you would probably have to disassemble most of the cabin to do so.  This is probably less work than you imagine. 

8) Another list member has recently asked me for details about the Rhodes 22 mast raising and lowering gizmo.  He had wanted to buy one from Stan (General Boats), and Stan had said that he would bring one to the Annapolis show, but he didn?t.  So, I?m in the process of putting together that documentation, and I?d be happy to send you a copy as well.


So, there?s that. But we tend to be a reasonably sociable group here on the Rhodes 22 list (that?s why there?s a list), and we?re all left wondering about you, and your boat.  And believe me, we care about both.  A little more background information would be appreciated.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)



> On Oct 20, 2019, at 9:21 PM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
> 
> It's probably not good etiquette to ask several questions at once, but I'll see how far I get. I just brought home a 2001 Rhodes 22, and I purchased it as sight-unseen, but I figured for the price it was worth it. There were a few things misrepresented, but I'm pleased overall.
> 
> 1) The solar panels are no good. They are cracked, and I'd like more capacity. Has anyone upgraded to 100W solar?
> 2) The water tank has been replaced with a blue storage container like what you'd get from Walmart. The lid is screwed on with 3 dozen or more screws, but I don't want to take it apart. That needs to go. What is an acceptable replacement?
> 3) I'm going to be spending an extended time cruising next summer, and I need to install a bilge pump. The most logical place I can find is under the battery next to the head. I'm not sure how to get the water out, but the sink seems reasonable. I'm not able to see how to get the drain line to the sink since no floor panels life out.
> 4) The previous owner tied a spreader down when he moved it. It doesn't look bent, but one side seems considerably looser than the other. I don't see how to tighten these down. Any suggestions?
> 5) I'd like to replace the water line to the sink. Again, I don't see a way to access it to do this. Any help?
> 6) I don't believe the boat has been sailed since 2011. The genoa has had the edge exposed to the sunlight since then, and it's faded. I'm expecting it to be weak. Are there suggestions for a source for Rhodes sails?
> 7) I pull loose the power distribution panel, and the anchor light wires are cut about 5" from where they are screwed on. I don't see the cut end anywhere behind the panel. Any suggestions as to how to get access to the wires? Do I have to drop the headliner?
> 
> Thanks - Baker
> 8) Is there a source for the mast stepper or plans for a DIY?
> 


From blue66corvette at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 21 10:54:47 2019
From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 14:54:47 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Several Questions about a New-to-Me Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <SN6PR19MB238165DA5C03ADE1283628BCDC690@SN6PR19MB2381.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SN6PR19MB238165DA5C03ADE1283628BCDC690@SN6PR19MB2381.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
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I have a 98 Rhodes and the water storage tank is exactly as you describe, blue plastic storage container off the shelf at Walmart or something. I think that is General Boats original from those days. 

Sent from my iPhone

Charles Nieman


> On Oct 20, 2019, at 8:21 PM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
> 
> It's probably not good etiquette to ask several questions at once, but I'll see how far I get. I just brought home a 2001 Rhodes 22, and I purchased it as sight-unseen, but I figured for the price it was worth it. There were a few things misrepresented, but I'm pleased overall.
> 
> 1) The solar panels are no good. They are cracked, and I'd like more capacity. Has anyone upgraded to 100W solar?
> 2) The water tank has been replaced with a blue storage container like what you'd get from Walmart. The lid is screwed on with 3 dozen or more screws, but I don't want to take it apart. That needs to go. What is an acceptable replacement?
> 3) I'm going to be spending an extended time cruising next summer, and I need to install a bilge pump. The most logical place I can find is under the battery next to the head. I'm not sure how to get the water out, but the sink seems reasonable. I'm not able to see how to get the drain line to the sink since no floor panels life out.
> 4) The previous owner tied a spreader down when he moved it. It doesn't look bent, but one side seems considerably looser than the other. I don't see how to tighten these down. Any suggestions?
> 5) I'd like to replace the water line to the sink. Again, I don't see a way to access it to do this. Any help?
> 6) I don't believe the boat has been sailed since 2011. The genoa has had the edge exposed to the sunlight since then, and it's faded. I'm expecting it to be weak. Are there suggestions for a source for Rhodes sails?
> 7) I pull loose the power distribution panel, and the anchor light wires are cut about 5" from where they are screwed on. I don't see the cut end anywhere behind the panel. Any suggestions as to how to get access to the wires? Do I have to drop the headliner?
> 
> Thanks - Baker
> 8) Is there a source for the mast stepper or plans for a DIY?
> 

From stan at generalboats.com  Mon Oct 21 11:43:00 2019
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 11:43:00 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] re the Nyberg report
Message-ID: <7429d8e2-deb8-3a84-a59b-5a0e5feffb69@generalboats.com>

In my 50 years with the Rhodes I have long since been conditioned to 
some sloppy outside reporting now and then, and having better things to 
do, let them go. Things like reporting to the List that the Rhodes uses 
a Dwyer mast.? Why bother; the misled will find out on their own.? 
Peter's reporting has been accurate so I suppose his getting sloppy has 
moved me enough to comment.??? Peter, before your definitive reporting, 
I don't recall your checking with me before going to press:
("8) Another list member has recently asked me for details about the 
Rhodes 22 mast raising and lowering gizmo. He had wanted to buy one from 
Stan (General Boats), and Stan had said that he would bring one to the 
Annapolis show, but he didn?t. So, I?m in the process of putting 
together that documentation, and I?d be happy to send you a copy as well.")

stan

From mark at whipplefamily.com  Mon Oct 21 12:46:52 2019
From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 12:46:52 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] ANOTHER first sail on my R22
In-Reply-To: <CAOo_FjeBWQfLz_y_Gn5nuqxCBW90-6zMBW83XNhj4YVFf1zFBw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNJ_D=X8kjEWHPCeBrOd2o3GCQF6v0A7TG1XUrj7JYF62UBCw@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Stephen,

It's great to have another R22 owner close by! I belong to Savin Hill YC in
Dorchester and that's where my mooring is located. SHYC is fortunate to
have a yard where I can store the boat over the winter. Unfortunately I'll
be paying storage for two boats until I sell my 30' Nimble yawl.

My boat is currently in the water although I really hope to haul it out
this weekend. Engine troubles have caused some delays, but I hope to
install a new starter relay and carburetor this week. I've made a few short
sails between the SHYC docks and my mooring. For me it's a little like
sailing a dinghy again! That's a good thing.

I'm sure I'll be in touch. It would be great to take a look at your boat to
compare.

Thanks again,

Mark Whipple
S/V Tiny Dancer
Milton, MA

On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 8:47 AM Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Mark. I know your boat.  When my friend Ed was looking to buy a
> sailboat a few years back we looked at a Rhodes 22 at a club in Everett,
> MA. It had wheel steering, an inboard w sail drive & a self tending jib. It
> was above his budget so he passed on it. A couple of years later, the same
> boat showed up on a neighboring mooring where I was based at Squantum Yacht
> Club in Quincy (off Wollaston Beach). We were neighbors for several years
> but I never got to sail on this unique boat. Maybe now I get another
> chance. This year I moved my Rhodes to Hingham Shipyard Marina due to the
> low tide delays at Squantum Yacht club. Where are you sailing out of?
>
> I have owned a Rhodes 22 since 2003 so can help you with anything you need
> assistance with. I will be floating until November if you want to get out
> on a Rhodes before next season.
>
> Stephen Staum
> s/v Carol Lee 2
> Needham, MA
> 781-704-1037 (cell)
>
> On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 10:40 PM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > I'm jumping on the bandwagon to tell you about my first sail on my R22!
> > This is a long post so only read it if you have the time to be
> (hopefully!)
> > entertained for a bit.
> >
> > I purchased this boat at the beginning of July in a town in central
> > Massachusetts. For a variety of reasons I did not launch this boat until
> > 10/1. I a some fun stories about raising the mast for the first time but
> > I'll save that for another time.
> >
> > I currently own three sailboats, as long as you don't count the two
> > dinghies that can also sail. My largest boat, a Nimble 30 yawl designed
> by
> > Ted Brewer, is currently for sale. I really love the boat but I wanted to
> > downsize as I approach retirement. I did not launch the Nimble this year
> > although she was in the water last year. My third boat is a Com-pac 16
> that
> > lives most of the time on Cape Cod. This year I was granted a mooring in
> > Pleasant Bay on the Chatham/Harwich/Orleans border.
> >
> > I wanted to downsize from the Nimble 30 to sailboat on a trailer and
> after
> > some research it seemed the Rhodes 22 was a good fit for me. I came close
> > to purchasing a Seaward 25' but I'm very glad I ended up with the R22
> > instead. Currently I own a RAV4 Ltd with towing package, and I will be
> > using that vehicle to launch and haul Tiny Dancer at my boat club on
> Boston
> > Harbor. The long term plan is to replace the RAV 4 with Highlander that
> can
> > tow the R22 on the highway. BTW this R22 is a little unique: she has
> wheel
> > steering, a self-tending jib with a Hoyt jib boom and an internal 15 hp.
> > gas engine with a Saildrive underneath. She will soon receive the name
> > "Tiny Dancer."
> >
> > After hauling the Compac 16 on 9/14 I then set my sights on launching the
> > R22. I at least wanted to have a test run before the winter. I'm a middle
> > school technology teacher and I had two days off from school on 9/30 and
> > 10/1. I first tried to launch the boat on Mon. 9/30 (we had raised the
> mast
> > a couple of weeks earlier). Unfortunately we ran out of time. It was a
> plus
> > tide so the boat yard became partially flooded at high tide. Getting the
> > tongue extension to come out took  quite a bit of time and effort and was
> > the main cause for our delay in launching.
> >
> > The next day a friend and I went down closer to low tide and tried to
> > launch the boat. We were on the boat club's main ramp which is long and
> > fairly flat. Unfortunately it was too flat. It didn't look like we were
> > going to get deep enough to launch until I backed up just a bit more and
> > the trailer seemed to fall into a hole on one side. Then the boat floated
> > off. Later analysis suggests that I either backed into a big hole in the
> > ram or I actually went off the end of the paved ramp.
> >
> > Once the boat was floating I started the engine. It ran but didn't idle
> and
> > would stall when I put the boat in gear. I decided I would just haul the
> > boat back out and be done with it until next year. However by this point
> I
> > couldn't get the trailer in deep enough because now the water was much
> > higher. Boston Harbor typically has tides around 9 - 10 ft., but this
> tide
> > was close to 12 ft. It even flooded the main artery road next to the boat
> > club. I knew even if I could, I shouldn't put the trailer back in as far
> as
> > I did when launching. There was a good chance of causing damage to the
> > trailer if I tried to pull it past some kind of obstruction with a 3100
> lb
> > boat on it.
> >
> > The boat sat on the floating dock near the launch ramp overnight. I came
> > back the next day and the direction of the wind was now much more
> favorable
> > for sailing to the club dock or even my mooring. The forecast said NNE
> > winds 10-15 kts gusts to 20 kts. I don't think I saw whitecaps but it was
> > pretty breezy.
> >
> > My first sail was getting the boat from the launch doc to the leeward
> side
> > of the club doc. After that it got too dark to get out to my mooring -
> > especially because I wasn't certain where the mooring had been dropped
> this
> > year. When heading to the main dock had just the bare minimum of jib and
> > main out, in part because I was sailing almost dead downwind. I reached
> the
> > dock and immediately realized my boat would be much better off on the
> > leeward side (the dock was essentially perpendicular to the wind).
> >
> > I got the boat around to the other side of the dock but had trouble
> tacking
> > (because now the dock was upwind) so I turned the boat by gybing.
> > Eventually I realized I needed to roll out more main, but by that time I
> > had got the boat on a good tack which let me land it on the dock. A bow
> > line, stern line, springer lead from the bow cleat and a couple big
> fenders
> > secured her until I could get back to move her to the mooring. Of course
> I
> > never found my mooring but picked up another that wasn't in use.
> >
> > I hope to haul Tiny Dancer on the trailer this coming Monday (Columbus
> > Day/Indigenous Peoples' Day). I've been told there's a second ramp at my
> > boat club that is twice the slope of the main ramp. The secondary ramp
> has
> > no dock, so the logistics promise to get interesting, especially if I
> can't
> > rely on the engine. Updates to follow!
> >
> > Looking forward to learning much more about this boat!
> >
> > Take care,
> >
> > Mark Whipple
> > S/V Tiny Dancer
> > Boston, MA
> >
> --
> Stephen Staum
> Pariser Industries, Inc.
>

From mark at whipplefamily.com  Mon Oct 21 12:49:19 2019
From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 12:49:19 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] ANOTHER first sail on my R22
In-Reply-To: <1571055723214-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <CADNJ_D=X8kjEWHPCeBrOd2o3GCQF6v0A7TG1XUrj7JYF62UBCw@mail.gmail.com>
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 <1570727470325-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1571055723214-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CA+WP5AR66tgEARZ3XQZ4RKR0PH5a4PGkYpza8NO+NQ4tmsXmEA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, George. That is reassuring. I've been using my RAV4 to move the
boat around the boat yard so I figured it would OK on the ramp. My boat
club just repaired the ramp I need to use so I'm hopeful I can haul out
this weekend. The main ramp at the club has a much flatter slope which
doesn't work for my trailer even with the extension.

Take care,
Mark

On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 8:22 AM Gmorganflier <gmorgan.flier at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I have a 2010 Rav4 with a 6 engine cylinder and towing package. It has no
> problem pulling my R22 up the ramp.
>
> George
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From snstaum at gmail.com  Mon Oct 21 12:54:36 2019
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 12:54:36 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] ANOTHER first sail on my R22
In-Reply-To: <CA+WP5AQqpQfHT5zOTP9kEmPCbyBh8uKQhFaXxqfM_18p5e_-Pg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNJ_D=X8kjEWHPCeBrOd2o3GCQF6v0A7TG1XUrj7JYF62UBCw@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAOo_FjeBWQfLz_y_Gn5nuqxCBW90-6zMBW83XNhj4YVFf1zFBw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAOo_FjeorjPAe-E6RVewKCHUVXYrbKTvCarp-k=34N4wQe8X2Q@mail.gmail.com>

That?s a great club. Several former Squantum YC members are there & I am
actually on the waiting list for next year although I will probably stay at
the Hingham Shipyard Marina. I will be floating into November so let me
know if you want to get out this year or if you need a hand with bringing
yours in.

Stephen

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 12:46 PM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
wrote:

> Hi Stephen,
>
> It's great to have another R22 owner close by! I belong to Savin Hill YC in
> Dorchester and that's where my mooring is located. SHYC is fortunate to
> have a yard where I can store the boat over the winter. Unfortunately I'll
> be paying storage for two boats until I sell my 30' Nimble yawl.
>
> My boat is currently in the water although I really hope to haul it out
> this weekend. Engine troubles have caused some delays, but I hope to
> install a new starter relay and carburetor this week. I've made a few short
> sails between the SHYC docks and my mooring. For me it's a little like
> sailing a dinghy again! That's a good thing.
>
> I'm sure I'll be in touch. It would be great to take a look at your boat to
> compare.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Mark Whipple
> S/V Tiny Dancer
> Milton, MA
>
> On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 8:47 AM Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey Mark. I know your boat.  When my friend Ed was looking to buy a
> > sailboat a few years back we looked at a Rhodes 22 at a club in Everett,
> > MA. It had wheel steering, an inboard w sail drive & a self tending jib.
> It
> > was above his budget so he passed on it. A couple of years later, the
> same
> > boat showed up on a neighboring mooring where I was based at Squantum
> Yacht
> > Club in Quincy (off Wollaston Beach). We were neighbors for several years
> > but I never got to sail on this unique boat. Maybe now I get another
> > chance. This year I moved my Rhodes to Hingham Shipyard Marina due to the
> > low tide delays at Squantum Yacht club. Where are you sailing out of?
> >
> > I have owned a Rhodes 22 since 2003 so can help you with anything you
> need
> > assistance with. I will be floating until November if you want to get out
> > on a Rhodes before next season.
> >
> > Stephen Staum
> > s/v Carol Lee 2
> > Needham, MA
> > 781-704-1037 (cell)
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 10:40 PM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi folks,
> > >
> > > I'm jumping on the bandwagon to tell you about my first sail on my R22!
> > > This is a long post so only read it if you have the time to be
> > (hopefully!)
> > > entertained for a bit.
> > >
> > > I purchased this boat at the beginning of July in a town in central
> > > Massachusetts. For a variety of reasons I did not launch this boat
> until
> > > 10/1. I a some fun stories about raising the mast for the first time
> but
> > > I'll save that for another time.
> > >
> > > I currently own three sailboats, as long as you don't count the two
> > > dinghies that can also sail. My largest boat, a Nimble 30 yawl designed
> > by
> > > Ted Brewer, is currently for sale. I really love the boat but I wanted
> to
> > > downsize as I approach retirement. I did not launch the Nimble this
> year
> > > although she was in the water last year. My third boat is a Com-pac 16
> > that
> > > lives most of the time on Cape Cod. This year I was granted a mooring
> in
> > > Pleasant Bay on the Chatham/Harwich/Orleans border.
> > >
> > > I wanted to downsize from the Nimble 30 to sailboat on a trailer and
> > after
> > > some research it seemed the Rhodes 22 was a good fit for me. I came
> close
> > > to purchasing a Seaward 25' but I'm very glad I ended up with the R22
> > > instead. Currently I own a RAV4 Ltd with towing package, and I will be
> > > using that vehicle to launch and haul Tiny Dancer at my boat club on
> > Boston
> > > Harbor. The long term plan is to replace the RAV 4 with Highlander that
> > can
> > > tow the R22 on the highway. BTW this R22 is a little unique: she has
> > wheel
> > > steering, a self-tending jib with a Hoyt jib boom and an internal 15
> hp.
> > > gas engine with a Saildrive underneath. She will soon receive the name
> > > "Tiny Dancer."
> > >
> > > After hauling the Compac 16 on 9/14 I then set my sights on launching
> the
> > > R22. I at least wanted to have a test run before the winter. I'm a
> middle
> > > school technology teacher and I had two days off from school on 9/30
> and
> > > 10/1. I first tried to launch the boat on Mon. 9/30 (we had raised the
> > mast
> > > a couple of weeks earlier). Unfortunately we ran out of time. It was a
> > plus
> > > tide so the boat yard became partially flooded at high tide. Getting
> the
> > > tongue extension to come out took  quite a bit of time and effort and
> was
> > > the main cause for our delay in launching.
> > >
> > > The next day a friend and I went down closer to low tide and tried to
> > > launch the boat. We were on the boat club's main ramp which is long and
> > > fairly flat. Unfortunately it was too flat. It didn't look like we were
> > > going to get deep enough to launch until I backed up just a bit more
> and
> > > the trailer seemed to fall into a hole on one side. Then the boat
> floated
> > > off. Later analysis suggests that I either backed into a big hole in
> the
> > > ram or I actually went off the end of the paved ramp.
> > >
> > > Once the boat was floating I started the engine. It ran but didn't idle
> > and
> > > would stall when I put the boat in gear. I decided I would just haul
> the
> > > boat back out and be done with it until next year. However by this
> point
> > I
> > > couldn't get the trailer in deep enough because now the water was much
> > > higher. Boston Harbor typically has tides around 9 - 10 ft., but this
> > tide
> > > was close to 12 ft. It even flooded the main artery road next to the
> boat
> > > club. I knew even if I could, I shouldn't put the trailer back in as
> far
> > as
> > > I did when launching. There was a good chance of causing damage to the
> > > trailer if I tried to pull it past some kind of obstruction with a 3100
> > lb
> > > boat on it.
> > >
> > > The boat sat on the floating dock near the launch ramp overnight. I
> came
> > > back the next day and the direction of the wind was now much more
> > favorable
> > > for sailing to the club dock or even my mooring. The forecast said NNE
> > > winds 10-15 kts gusts to 20 kts. I don't think I saw whitecaps but it
> was
> > > pretty breezy.
> > >
> > > My first sail was getting the boat from the launch doc to the leeward
> > side
> > > of the club doc. After that it got too dark to get out to my mooring -
> > > especially because I wasn't certain where the mooring had been dropped
> > this
> > > year. When heading to the main dock had just the bare minimum of jib
> and
> > > main out, in part because I was sailing almost dead downwind. I reached
> > the
> > > dock and immediately realized my boat would be much better off on the
> > > leeward side (the dock was essentially perpendicular to the wind).
> > >
> > > I got the boat around to the other side of the dock but had trouble
> > tacking
> > > (because now the dock was upwind) so I turned the boat by gybing.
> > > Eventually I realized I needed to roll out more main, but by that time
> I
> > > had got the boat on a good tack which let me land it on the dock. A bow
> > > line, stern line, springer lead from the bow cleat and a couple big
> > fenders
> > > secured her until I could get back to move her to the mooring. Of
> course
> > I
> > > never found my mooring but picked up another that wasn't in use.
> > >
> > > I hope to haul Tiny Dancer on the trailer this coming Monday (Columbus
> > > Day/Indigenous Peoples' Day). I've been told there's a second ramp at
> my
> > > boat club that is twice the slope of the main ramp. The secondary ramp
> > has
> > > no dock, so the logistics promise to get interesting, especially if I
> > can't
> > > rely on the engine. Updates to follow!
> > >
> > > Looking forward to learning much more about this boat!
> > >
> > > Take care,
> > >
> > > Mark Whipple
> > > S/V Tiny Dancer
> > > Boston, MA
> > >
> > --
> > Stephen Staum
> > Pariser Industries, Inc.
> >
>
-- 
Stephen Staum
Pariser Industries, Inc.

From alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com  Mon Oct 21 13:02:42 2019
From: alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com (Alexis Seigneurin)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 17:02:42 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] re the Nyberg report
In-Reply-To: <7429d8e2-deb8-3a84-a59b-5a0e5feffb69@generalboats.com>
References: <7429d8e2-deb8-3a84-a59b-5a0e5feffb69@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR07MB437850295FC6657DF808A6C4A6690@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

This constant anger is annoying. This brings absolutely nothing interesting to this list, which is sad because the discussions are usually of interest.

My 2 cents. No response needed.

Alexis


________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of stan <stan at generalboats.com>
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 11:43 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] re the Nyberg report

In my 50 years with the Rhodes I have long since been conditioned to
some sloppy outside reporting now and then, and having better things to
do, let them go. Things like reporting to the List that the Rhodes uses
a Dwyer mast.  Why bother; the misled will find out on their own.
Peter's reporting has been accurate so I suppose his getting sloppy has
moved me enough to comment.    Peter, before your definitive reporting,
I don't recall your checking with me before going to press:
("8) Another list member has recently asked me for details about the
Rhodes 22 mast raising and lowering gizmo. He had wanted to buy one from
Stan (General Boats), and Stan had said that he would bring one to the
Annapolis show, but he didn?t. So, I?m in the process of putting
together that documentation, and I?d be happy to send you a copy as well.")

stan

From mark at whipplefamily.com  Mon Oct 21 13:11:37 2019
From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 13:11:37 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] ANOTHER first sail on my R22
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Thanks, Stephen. I appreciate it. We have a bunch of members at SHYC who
just belong so they can store their boat there. It's much cheaper than a
marina. Now I just have to talk my wife into letting me store my R22 in my
back yard. Of course, the fact that the ComPac 16 is already there might be
an issue.

Mark

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 12:54 PM Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:

> That?s a great club. Several former Squantum YC members are there & I am
> actually on the waiting list for next year although I will probably stay at
> the Hingham Shipyard Marina. I will be floating into November so let me
> know if you want to get out this year or if you need a hand with bringing
> yours in.
>
> Stephen
>
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 12:46 PM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Stephen,
> >
> > It's great to have another R22 owner close by! I belong to Savin Hill YC
> in
> > Dorchester and that's where my mooring is located. SHYC is fortunate to
> > have a yard where I can store the boat over the winter. Unfortunately
> I'll
> > be paying storage for two boats until I sell my 30' Nimble yawl.
> >
> > My boat is currently in the water although I really hope to haul it out
> > this weekend. Engine troubles have caused some delays, but I hope to
> > install a new starter relay and carburetor this week. I've made a few
> short
> > sails between the SHYC docks and my mooring. For me it's a little like
> > sailing a dinghy again! That's a good thing.
> >
> > I'm sure I'll be in touch. It would be great to take a look at your boat
> to
> > compare.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> >
> > Mark Whipple
> > S/V Tiny Dancer
> > Milton, MA
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 8:47 AM Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Mark. I know your boat.  When my friend Ed was looking to buy a
> > > sailboat a few years back we looked at a Rhodes 22 at a club in
> Everett,
> > > MA. It had wheel steering, an inboard w sail drive & a self tending
> jib.
> > It
> > > was above his budget so he passed on it. A couple of years later, the
> > same
> > > boat showed up on a neighboring mooring where I was based at Squantum
> > Yacht
> > > Club in Quincy (off Wollaston Beach). We were neighbors for several
> years
> > > but I never got to sail on this unique boat. Maybe now I get another
> > > chance. This year I moved my Rhodes to Hingham Shipyard Marina due to
> the
> > > low tide delays at Squantum Yacht club. Where are you sailing out of?
> > >
> > > I have owned a Rhodes 22 since 2003 so can help you with anything you
> > need
> > > assistance with. I will be floating until November if you want to get
> out
> > > on a Rhodes before next season.
> > >
> > > Stephen Staum
> > > s/v Carol Lee 2
> > > Needham, MA
> > > 781-704-1037 (cell)
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 10:40 PM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi folks,
> > > >
> > > > I'm jumping on the bandwagon to tell you about my first sail on my
> R22!
> > > > This is a long post so only read it if you have the time to be
> > > (hopefully!)
> > > > entertained for a bit.
> > > >
> > > > I purchased this boat at the beginning of July in a town in central
> > > > Massachusetts. For a variety of reasons I did not launch this boat
> > until
> > > > 10/1. I a some fun stories about raising the mast for the first time
> > but
> > > > I'll save that for another time.
> > > >
> > > > I currently own three sailboats, as long as you don't count the two
> > > > dinghies that can also sail. My largest boat, a Nimble 30 yawl
> designed
> > > by
> > > > Ted Brewer, is currently for sale. I really love the boat but I
> wanted
> > to
> > > > downsize as I approach retirement. I did not launch the Nimble this
> > year
> > > > although she was in the water last year. My third boat is a Com-pac
> 16
> > > that
> > > > lives most of the time on Cape Cod. This year I was granted a mooring
> > in
> > > > Pleasant Bay on the Chatham/Harwich/Orleans border.
> > > >
> > > > I wanted to downsize from the Nimble 30 to sailboat on a trailer and
> > > after
> > > > some research it seemed the Rhodes 22 was a good fit for me. I came
> > close
> > > > to purchasing a Seaward 25' but I'm very glad I ended up with the R22
> > > > instead. Currently I own a RAV4 Ltd with towing package, and I will
> be
> > > > using that vehicle to launch and haul Tiny Dancer at my boat club on
> > > Boston
> > > > Harbor. The long term plan is to replace the RAV 4 with Highlander
> that
> > > can
> > > > tow the R22 on the highway. BTW this R22 is a little unique: she has
> > > wheel
> > > > steering, a self-tending jib with a Hoyt jib boom and an internal 15
> > hp.
> > > > gas engine with a Saildrive underneath. She will soon receive the
> name
> > > > "Tiny Dancer."
> > > >
> > > > After hauling the Compac 16 on 9/14 I then set my sights on launching
> > the
> > > > R22. I at least wanted to have a test run before the winter. I'm a
> > middle
> > > > school technology teacher and I had two days off from school on 9/30
> > and
> > > > 10/1. I first tried to launch the boat on Mon. 9/30 (we had raised
> the
> > > mast
> > > > a couple of weeks earlier). Unfortunately we ran out of time. It was
> a
> > > plus
> > > > tide so the boat yard became partially flooded at high tide. Getting
> > the
> > > > tongue extension to come out took  quite a bit of time and effort and
> > was
> > > > the main cause for our delay in launching.
> > > >
> > > > The next day a friend and I went down closer to low tide and tried to
> > > > launch the boat. We were on the boat club's main ramp which is long
> and
> > > > fairly flat. Unfortunately it was too flat. It didn't look like we
> were
> > > > going to get deep enough to launch until I backed up just a bit more
> > and
> > > > the trailer seemed to fall into a hole on one side. Then the boat
> > floated
> > > > off. Later analysis suggests that I either backed into a big hole in
> > the
> > > > ram or I actually went off the end of the paved ramp.
> > > >
> > > > Once the boat was floating I started the engine. It ran but didn't
> idle
> > > and
> > > > would stall when I put the boat in gear. I decided I would just haul
> > the
> > > > boat back out and be done with it until next year. However by this
> > point
> > > I
> > > > couldn't get the trailer in deep enough because now the water was
> much
> > > > higher. Boston Harbor typically has tides around 9 - 10 ft., but this
> > > tide
> > > > was close to 12 ft. It even flooded the main artery road next to the
> > boat
> > > > club. I knew even if I could, I shouldn't put the trailer back in as
> > far
> > > as
> > > > I did when launching. There was a good chance of causing damage to
> the
> > > > trailer if I tried to pull it past some kind of obstruction with a
> 3100
> > > lb
> > > > boat on it.
> > > >
> > > > The boat sat on the floating dock near the launch ramp overnight. I
> > came
> > > > back the next day and the direction of the wind was now much more
> > > favorable
> > > > for sailing to the club dock or even my mooring. The forecast said
> NNE
> > > > winds 10-15 kts gusts to 20 kts. I don't think I saw whitecaps but it
> > was
> > > > pretty breezy.
> > > >
> > > > My first sail was getting the boat from the launch doc to the leeward
> > > side
> > > > of the club doc. After that it got too dark to get out to my mooring
> -
> > > > especially because I wasn't certain where the mooring had been
> dropped
> > > this
> > > > year. When heading to the main dock had just the bare minimum of jib
> > and
> > > > main out, in part because I was sailing almost dead downwind. I
> reached
> > > the
> > > > dock and immediately realized my boat would be much better off on the
> > > > leeward side (the dock was essentially perpendicular to the wind).
> > > >
> > > > I got the boat around to the other side of the dock but had trouble
> > > tacking
> > > > (because now the dock was upwind) so I turned the boat by gybing.
> > > > Eventually I realized I needed to roll out more main, but by that
> time
> > I
> > > > had got the boat on a good tack which let me land it on the dock. A
> bow
> > > > line, stern line, springer lead from the bow cleat and a couple big
> > > fenders
> > > > secured her until I could get back to move her to the mooring. Of
> > course
> > > I
> > > > never found my mooring but picked up another that wasn't in use.
> > > >
> > > > I hope to haul Tiny Dancer on the trailer this coming Monday
> (Columbus
> > > > Day/Indigenous Peoples' Day). I've been told there's a second ramp at
> > my
> > > > boat club that is twice the slope of the main ramp. The secondary
> ramp
> > > has
> > > > no dock, so the logistics promise to get interesting, especially if I
> > > can't
> > > > rely on the engine. Updates to follow!
> > > >
> > > > Looking forward to learning much more about this boat!
> > > >
> > > > Take care,
> > > >
> > > > Mark Whipple
> > > > S/V Tiny Dancer
> > > > Boston, MA
> > > >
> > > --
> > > Stephen Staum
> > > Pariser Industries, Inc.
> > >
> >
> --
> Stephen Staum
> Pariser Industries, Inc.
>

From mark at whipplefamily.com  Mon Oct 21 14:32:45 2019
From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 14:32:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard noise
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I was on my boat at my mooring recently, and heard the centerboard bang
each time the boat rolled. The current had the boat facing approx. SE.
There were some small rollers coming in from the NE. The result is the boat
was taking the rollers on the port side roughly amidships. Each roll the
centerboard bumped to one side or the other.

Two questions:
 - Is this normal, or do I need to plan some sort of repair (centerboard
pivot)?
 - Do you leave your CB down when you're on a mooring? I did so to decrease
the side-to-side rolling of the boat, but I also had the rudder up because
I have a wheel and I haven't yet taken the time to lash it down (no wheel
lock).

The boat is a 2000 so I believe I have a diamond CB.

TIA for your thoughts.

For me, this list was a big selling point for the Rhodes 22. When I owned a
1959 Pearson Triton (28' yawl) there was also an active online community.
That was so helpful since it was my first big sailboat and I completely
renovated it in my driveway. That was a five year learning process. I
missed that type of online community with my Nimble 30 since there was only
about two dozen ever made.

Mark Whipple
s/v Tiny Dancer
Boston, MA

From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Mon Oct 21 14:40:01 2019
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 18:40:01 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard noise
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Mark:

My centerboard has always banged around inside the trunk when It did not have any sort of lateral pressure on it.  If the board is banging then it probably does not need to be down.  Sailing downwind the board should and can be lifted.   I would not leave the board down at the mooring to avoid unnecessary banging and growth on the board.

Christopher P. Cowie? ??

700 N Fairfax Street
Suite 304
Alexandria, Virginia 22314
703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile
[ccowie at cowieassociates.com]



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-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Mark Whipple
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 2:33 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard noise

I was on my boat at my mooring recently, and heard the centerboard bang each time the boat rolled. The current had the boat facing approx. SE.
There were some small rollers coming in from the NE. The result is the boat was taking the rollers on the port side roughly amidships. Each roll the centerboard bumped to one side or the other.

Two questions:
 - Is this normal, or do I need to plan some sort of repair (centerboard pivot)?
 - Do you leave your CB down when you're on a mooring? I did so to decrease the side-to-side rolling of the boat, but I also had the rudder up because I have a wheel and I haven't yet taken the time to lash it down (no wheel lock).

The boat is a 2000 so I believe I have a diamond CB.

TIA for your thoughts.

For me, this list was a big selling point for the Rhodes 22. When I owned a
1959 Pearson Triton (28' yawl) there was also an active online community.
That was so helpful since it was my first big sailboat and I completely renovated it in my driveway. That was a five year learning process. I missed that type of online community with my Nimble 30 since there was only about two dozen ever made.

Mark Whipple
s/v Tiny Dancer
Boston, MA

From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Mon Oct 21 14:57:23 2019
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 14:57:23 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Several Questions about a New-to-Me Rhodes 22
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Sounds about right.  Works great.  Keep it.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 10:54 AM Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> I have a 98 Rhodes and the water storage tank is exactly as you describe,
> blue plastic storage container off the shelf at Walmart or something. I
> think that is General Boats original from those days.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Charles Nieman
>
>
> > On Oct 20, 2019, at 8:21 PM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
> >
> > It's probably not good etiquette to ask several questions at once, but
> I'll see how far I get. I just brought home a 2001 Rhodes 22, and I
> purchased it as sight-unseen, but I figured for the price it was worth it.
> There were a few things misrepresented, but I'm pleased overall.
> >
> > 1) The solar panels are no good. They are cracked, and I'd like more
> capacity. Has anyone upgraded to 100W solar?
> > 2) The water tank has been replaced with a blue storage container like
> what you'd get from Walmart. The lid is screwed on with 3 dozen or more
> screws, but I don't want to take it apart. That needs to go. What is an
> acceptable replacement?
> > 3) I'm going to be spending an extended time cruising next summer, and I
> need to install a bilge pump. The most logical place I can find is under
> the battery next to the head. I'm not sure how to get the water out, but
> the sink seems reasonable. I'm not able to see how to get the drain line to
> the sink since no floor panels life out.
> > 4) The previous owner tied a spreader down when he moved it. It doesn't
> look bent, but one side seems considerably looser than the other. I don't
> see how to tighten these down. Any suggestions?
> > 5) I'd like to replace the water line to the sink. Again, I don't see a
> way to access it to do this. Any help?
> > 6) I don't believe the boat has been sailed since 2011. The genoa has
> had the edge exposed to the sunlight since then, and it's faded. I'm
> expecting it to be weak. Are there suggestions for a source for Rhodes
> sails?
> > 7) I pull loose the power distribution panel, and the anchor light wires
> are cut about 5" from where they are screwed on. I don't see the cut end
> anywhere behind the panel. Any suggestions as to how to get access to the
> wires? Do I have to drop the headliner?
> >
> > Thanks - Baker
> > 8) Is there a source for the mast stepper or plans for a DIY?
> >
>

From allynb at adsne.com  Mon Oct 21 15:24:39 2019
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 19:24:39 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Several Questions about a New-to-Me Rhodes 22
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Thanks for the responses. I never said it didn't work, but the first thing I thought when I saw it, "You know you're a redneck if..." I read a lot about Rhodes quality before I purchased the boat, and this simply surprised me. I really think this is the perfect boat for us now - we just need to get it in the water. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Rick Lange
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 1:57 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Several Questions about a New-to-Me Rhodes 22

Sounds about right.  Works great.  Keep it.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 10:54 AM Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> I have a 98 Rhodes and the water storage tank is exactly as you 
> describe, blue plastic storage container off the shelf at Walmart or 
> something. I think that is General Boats original from those days.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Charles Nieman
>
>
> > On Oct 20, 2019, at 8:21 PM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
> >
> > It's probably not good etiquette to ask several questions at once, 
> > but
> I'll see how far I get. I just brought home a 2001 Rhodes 22, and I 
> purchased it as sight-unseen, but I figured for the price it was worth it.
> There were a few things misrepresented, but I'm pleased overall.
> >
> > 1) The solar panels are no good. They are cracked, and I'd like more
> capacity. Has anyone upgraded to 100W solar?
> > 2) The water tank has been replaced with a blue storage container 
> > like
> what you'd get from Walmart. The lid is screwed on with 3 dozen or 
> more screws, but I don't want to take it apart. That needs to go. What 
> is an acceptable replacement?
> > 3) I'm going to be spending an extended time cruising next summer, 
> > and I
> need to install a bilge pump. The most logical place I can find is 
> under the battery next to the head. I'm not sure how to get the water 
> out, but the sink seems reasonable. I'm not able to see how to get the 
> drain line to the sink since no floor panels life out.
> > 4) The previous owner tied a spreader down when he moved it. It 
> > doesn't
> look bent, but one side seems considerably looser than the other. I 
> don't see how to tighten these down. Any suggestions?
> > 5) I'd like to replace the water line to the sink. Again, I don't 
> > see a
> way to access it to do this. Any help?
> > 6) I don't believe the boat has been sailed since 2011. The genoa 
> > has
> had the edge exposed to the sunlight since then, and it's faded. I'm 
> expecting it to be weak. Are there suggestions for a source for Rhodes 
> sails?
> > 7) I pull loose the power distribution panel, and the anchor light 
> > wires
> are cut about 5" from where they are screwed on. I don't see the cut 
> end anywhere behind the panel. Any suggestions as to how to get access 
> to the wires? Do I have to drop the headliner?
> >
> > Thanks - Baker
> > 8) Is there a source for the mast stepper or plans for a DIY?
> >
>

From allynb at adsne.com  Mon Oct 21 15:32:35 2019
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 19:32:35 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Any other Rhodes in Oklahoma?
Message-ID: <SN6PR19MB23815243E539E53E9BD069B0DC690@SN6PR19MB2381.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

I just got the titled transferred and the boat registered today, and I spent about an hour there. They had to really search around and call other people over to figure things out - they couldn't find General Boats or Rhodes anywhere. That having been said, I had to wonder if there were any/many Rhodes boats in OK. Are there any out there? I'd sure be interested in visiting you. Thanks

From dwbrad at gmail.com  Mon Oct 21 16:34:31 2019
From: dwbrad at gmail.com (David Bradley)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 16:34:31 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mainsail
Message-ID: <F14AACEF-8025-4663-AD73-0C852E6A3BF3@gmail.com>

Hi all. Does anyone know the approximate price of a new IMF Mainsail?  And whether GBI is still selling them or whether I ned to buy directly from Doyle?  We had a nor?easter with 60 MPH winds. Not a pretty site in our harbor next morning. My main was shredded but others fared worse. 

Thanks. 

Dave B

From melrothbard at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 21 16:37:57 2019
From: melrothbard at yahoo.com (Melvyn Rothbard)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 20:37:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mainsail
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I bought a new main last year from Stan.? Cost was about $1095.
Mel
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    On Monday, October 21, 2019, 04:34:45 PM EDT, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Hi all. Does anyone know the approximate price of a new IMF Mainsail?? And whether GBI is still selling them or whether I ned to buy directly from Doyle?? We had a nor?easter with 60 MPH winds. Not a pretty site in our harbor next morning. My main was shredded but others fared worse. 

Thanks. 

Dave B  

From snstaum at gmail.com  Mon Oct 21 16:48:03 2019
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 16:48:03 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard noise
In-Reply-To: <CA+WP5ARFGPwC82yLVj2GAbCboehppJhL3kWBLEyD8jXU+TRp4w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7429d8e2-deb8-3a84-a59b-5a0e5feffb69@generalboats.com>
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I have always kept my board up at the mooring (14 years) and yes it does
clunk when the boat rocks in the waves.  This is normal to my knowledge.
Chris bought his new so supports this theory although mine were an '87
follow by an '83.  The other reason to keep the board up is the damage
potential if you ground it during a minus tide.  If the board hits bottom
when you are underway it just gets pushed up on the pivot and there is no
damage (I have done this).  However, if the board bottoms when the boat is
stationery the potential exists for damage as the board is jammed against
the sea bottom as it rocks up and down in the normal wave action.


*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Carol Lee 2*

*Needham, MA*


On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 2:32 PM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com> wrote:

> I was on my boat at my mooring recently, and heard the centerboard bang
> each time the boat rolled. The current had the boat facing approx. SE.
> There were some small rollers coming in from the NE. The result is the boat
> was taking the rollers on the port side roughly amidships. Each roll the
> centerboard bumped to one side or the other.
>
> Two questions:
>  - Is this normal, or do I need to plan some sort of repair (centerboard
> pivot)?
>  - Do you leave your CB down when you're on a mooring? I did so to decrease
> the side-to-side rolling of the boat, but I also had the rudder up because
> I have a wheel and I haven't yet taken the time to lash it down (no wheel
> lock).
>
> The boat is a 2000 so I believe I have a diamond CB.
>
> TIA for your thoughts.
>
> For me, this list was a big selling point for the Rhodes 22. When I owned a
> 1959 Pearson Triton (28' yawl) there was also an active online community.
> That was so helpful since it was my first big sailboat and I completely
> renovated it in my driveway. That was a five year learning process. I
> missed that type of online community with my Nimble 30 since there was only
> about two dozen ever made.
>
> Mark Whipple
> s/v Tiny Dancer
> Boston, MA
>

From snstaum at gmail.com  Mon Oct 21 16:52:06 2019
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 16:52:06 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mainsail
In-Reply-To: <F14AACEF-8025-4663-AD73-0C852E6A3BF3@gmail.com>
References: <F14AACEF-8025-4663-AD73-0C852E6A3BF3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOo_FjcmUfCvsqLjf6WR22OM3Truybf-3fccZj6-FGxAwTqr7A@mail.gmail.com>

I use Doyle in E. Greenwich, RI.  They made me a new custom main when I got
my '83 a few years ago and the cost was $600.  They made me a custom 130
genoa last winter for $1300 with a window and a luff pad for improved
reefing.


*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Carol Lee 2*

*Needham, MA*


On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 4:34 PM David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all. Does anyone know the approximate price of a new IMF Mainsail?  And
> whether GBI is still selling them or whether I ned to buy directly from
> Doyle?  We had a nor?easter with 60 MPH winds. Not a pretty site in our
> harbor next morning. My main was shredded but others fared worse.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dave B

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Mon Oct 21 16:55:04 2019
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 16:55:04 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] re the Nyberg report
In-Reply-To: <7429d8e2-deb8-3a84-a59b-5a0e5feffb69@generalboats.com>
References: <7429d8e2-deb8-3a84-a59b-5a0e5feffb69@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <4E92CA80-639A-49C1-BAD3-BDC1D6F609C9@sunnybeeches.com>

Stan,

You are right, I stepped over a line that I didn?t intent to, and I apologize.  My offer to supply Allyn Baskerville with design information about the General Boats Mast Hoist Crane is hereby rescinded until such time has he  a) make a good faith effort to buy one from General Boats, and  b) fails in that effort due to a lack of responsiveness or follow through on the part of General Boats.   

However, since the original requestor of the design information has already gone through steps  a)  and  b), I will share design information with him.  

As for occasionally letting people on the list know where they might be able to purchase items for which General Boats has no claim to intellectual property (e.g. sails, or Starboard), I?m afraid that?s likely to continue.

?Peter

> On Oct 21, 2019, at 11:43 AM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> 
> In my 50 years with the Rhodes I have long since been conditioned to some sloppy outside reporting now and then, and having better things to do, let them go. Things like reporting to the List that the Rhodes uses a Dwyer mast.  Why bother; the misled will find out on their own.  Peter's reporting has been accurate so I suppose his getting sloppy has moved me enough to comment.    Peter, before your definitive reporting, I don't recall your checking with me before going to press:
> ("8) Another list member has recently asked me for details about the Rhodes 22 mast raising and lowering gizmo. He had wanted to buy one from Stan (General Boats), and Stan had said that he would bring one to the Annapolis show, but he didn?t. So, I?m in the process of putting together that documentation, and I?d be happy to send you a copy as well.")
> 
> stan


From stan at generalboats.com  Mon Oct 21 17:15:16 2019
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 17:15:16 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] re the Nyberg report
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR07MB437850295FC6657DF808A6C4A6690@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <7429d8e2-deb8-3a84-a59b-5a0e5feffb69@generalboats.com>
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Message-ID: <013378b3-c75d-5de8-a0bd-a81a493793c8@generalboats.com>

Sorry Alexis,? I like to think that I go where the majority want.

My 2 cents is:

a)??? What constant anger?? I hardly make a peep on the List.? And when 
I do it is with humor or an educational point for the majority.? You 
will come to appreciate this in future posts, as I have.

b)??? As a newcomer to the list wouldn't you rather know that, contrary 
to your inexperienced view that we "bring absolutely nothing interesting 
to this list" that for 50 years we have been bringing specific parts to 
the show for specific owners for their specific needs and convenience, 
rather than being led to think that we don't?? No response needed.

It is simple Alexis. Show me that what you speak is what the majority 
want and I will never darken your emails again. Or alternately stop 
taking it all so seriously or you will never get to see what it all 
looks like at 93.

stan



On 10/21/19 1:02 PM, Alexis Seigneurin wrote:
> This constant anger is annoying. This brings absolutely nothing interesting to this list, which is sad because the discussions are usually of interest.
>
> My 2 cents. No response needed.
>
> Alexis
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of stan <stan at generalboats.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 11:43 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] re the Nyberg report
>
> In my 50 years with the Rhodes I have long since been conditioned to
> some sloppy outside reporting now and then, and having better things to
> do, let them go. Things like reporting to the List that the Rhodes uses
> a Dwyer mast.  Why bother; the misled will find out on their own.
> Peter's reporting has been accurate so I suppose his getting sloppy has
> moved me enough to comment.    Peter, before your definitive reporting,
> I don't recall your checking with me before going to press:
> ("8) Another list member has recently asked me for details about the
> Rhodes 22 mast raising and lowering gizmo. He had wanted to buy one from
> Stan (General Boats), and Stan had said that he would bring one to the
> Annapolis show, but he didn?t. So, I?m in the process of putting
> together that documentation, and I?d be happy to send you a copy as well.")
>
> stan
>
>


From 4cgabriel at gmail.com  Mon Oct 21 17:34:53 2019
From: 4cgabriel at gmail.com (C Gabriel)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 17:34:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Parts Department News
Message-ID: <CAEwOW6TFPThyv=TCOFtasv4GN6mXs1F3b7sDFR9H+-V_QkOpdg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

It's been a really tough year for Stan and now the Gabriel's.  Stan lost
his beloved wife Rose in June immediately followed by the death of his
caregiver and then my mother for whom I was the caregiver passed away in
the 10 days  before the Show. This affected email and parts ordering and
building for all the many preceding months.

Give us a minute friends. As Stan says be patient.

And give us a minute to unpack from the Show and get back to responding to
your orders, building the parts, and putting your new items into the mail.

Orders are shipping again as of today. If your email has been lost in our
shuffle or your order has been delayed we sincerely apologize.

Kindly resend your unfilled or new parts and service requests for Stan to

4cgabriel at gmail.com.

It's ok, a duplicate request is better than a lost request.

Thank you
Cecilia Gabriel
Parts Department

From stan at generalboats.com  Mon Oct 21 18:00:27 2019
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 18:00:27 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] re the Nyberg report
In-Reply-To: <4E92CA80-639A-49C1-BAD3-BDC1D6F609C9@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <7429d8e2-deb8-3a84-a59b-5a0e5feffb69@generalboats.com>
 <4E92CA80-639A-49C1-BAD3-BDC1D6F609C9@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <fdd3e89e-6aa6-591e-4183-5ff0a818cf67@generalboats.com>

Come on Peter, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
I never said anything re your giving out info on our mast hoist. I think 
it is great you do things like that.? All I was referencing was that it 
was not the American way to conclude to the List that I failed to do 
something without asking me if such were the facts.

You didn't step over any lines.? No need to apologize.? I am sorry I 
even brought it up. . .? Just don't let it happen again.? (Now, if 
anyone takes issue with that last line of Brooklyn humor, sorry, but it 
makes me laugh.)

Meantime relax.? The important, serious stuff with GB will be coming up 
soon.

stan

On 10/21/19 4:55 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote:
> Stan,
>
> You are right, I stepped over a line that I didn?t intent to, and I apologize.  My offer to supply Allyn Baskerville with design information about the General Boats Mast Hoist Crane is hereby rescinded until such time has he  a) make a good faith effort to buy one from General Boats, and  b) fails in that effort due to a lack of responsiveness or follow through on the part of General Boats.
>
> However, since the original requestor of the design information has already gone through steps  a)  and  b), I will share design information with him.
>
> As for occasionally letting people on the list know where they might be able to purchase items for which General Boats has no claim to intellectual property (e.g. sails, or Starboard), I?m afraid that?s likely to continue.
>
> ?Peter
>
>> On Oct 21, 2019, at 11:43 AM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>>
>> In my 50 years with the Rhodes I have long since been conditioned to some sloppy outside reporting now and then, and having better things to do, let them go. Things like reporting to the List that the Rhodes uses a Dwyer mast.  Why bother; the misled will find out on their own.  Peter's reporting has been accurate so I suppose his getting sloppy has moved me enough to comment.    Peter, before your definitive reporting, I don't recall your checking with me before going to press:
>> ("8) Another list member has recently asked me for details about the Rhodes 22 mast raising and lowering gizmo. He had wanted to buy one from Stan (General Boats), and Stan had said that he would bring one to the Annapolis show, but he didn?t. So, I?m in the process of putting together that documentation, and I?d be happy to send you a copy as well.")
>>
>> stan
>
>


From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Mon Oct 21 18:07:00 2019
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 18:07:00 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Deploying And Retrieving Anchor from Cockpit
In-Reply-To: <MN2PR19MB3518A5671A473C0BD40C2870D9690@MN2PR19MB3518.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1571455572275-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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No, you can.

Rick Lange

On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 8:46 PM Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Is this a ?don?t ask me how I know? thing???
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Charles
>
> > On Oct 20, 2019, at 2:37 PM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > When you pull up the anchor from anywhere but the bow, regardless of
> where
> > the bitter end of the rode is attached, you will swing the boat abeam of
> > the waves.  This is an all too common cause of swamping and even
> capsizing
> > the boat.
> >
> > If you raise or lower the anchor from anywhere other than the security of
> > sitting in the bow pulpit, you risk being pulled overboard.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rick Lange
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 7:46 PM Luis Guzman <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Cary,
> >>
> >> I see this as an anchor deployment/retrieval method.  The anchor is
> still
> >> attached to the bow.
> >>
> >> I imagine that you still need to walk to the bow to tie/untie the
> anchor.
> >>
> >>
> >> Luis A. Guzm?n II
> >> http://www.TropicalMinds.com
> >> 941 580-1577
> >>
> >>> On Oct 19, 2019, at 5:42 PM, Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> George, in my copy of " A Boater's Guide to the Federal Requirements
> for
> >>> Recreational Boats" Printed in RED INK it says DO NOT
> >>> Anchor from the stern. Then explains why this is a bad idea.
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 4:44 PM Gmorganflier <gmorgan.flier at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Rick,
> >>>>
> >>>> I?m totally new to boating and have been out on my R22 only four
> times.
> >> Can
> >>>> you tell me why the Coast Guard would object to this method of anchor
> >>>> deployment? Is there a recommended study guide I could access to learn
> >>>> about
> >>>> their rules. I?ve found info on the required safety equipment, but
> don?t
> >>>> recall seeing any regulations on anchors.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> George
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
>

From jfn302 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 21 18:44:35 2019
From: jfn302 at yahoo.com (James Nichols)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 22:44:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Deploying And Retrieving Anchor from Coc
In-Reply-To: <CABkv36boTu8E3sMJ98jYbu4SrXy7Lm0CX0175G1GWGsUxrhQbw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1571455572275-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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 <CAPQvPRq4DzLhjok_c-LqjqbSjLH=imJAutKVK+pPQK5=d+Rnog@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1790748053.3226777.1571697875355@mail.yahoo.com>

I could see this working fairly well if the tail of the rode was run back to the cockpit along the same route as the head sail line.? Run it to a cleat along the side of the cockpit.?
The tag could be used to pull the anchor back to the cockpit once it has broken free of the bottom.? ??
The only issue I see is that you are more likely to bang the anchor on the side of the hull than you are on the bow.
James

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 5:07 PM, Rick Lange<sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:   No, you can.

Rick Lange

On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 8:46 PM Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Is this a ?don?t ask me how I know? thing???
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Charles
>
> > On Oct 20, 2019, at 2:37 PM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > When you pull up the anchor from anywhere but the bow, regardless of
> where
> > the bitter end of the rode is attached, you will swing the boat abeam of
> > the waves.? This is an all too common cause of swamping and even
> capsizing
> > the boat.
> >
> > If you raise or lower the anchor from anywhere other than the security of
> > sitting in the bow pulpit, you risk being pulled overboard.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rick Lange
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 7:46 PM Luis Guzman <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Cary,
> >>
> >> I see this as an anchor deployment/retrieval method.? The anchor is
> still
> >> attached to the bow.
> >>
> >> I imagine that you still need to walk to the bow to tie/untie the
> anchor.
> >>
> >>
> >> Luis A. Guzm?n II
> >> http://www.TropicalMinds.com
> >> 941 580-1577
> >>
> >>> On Oct 19, 2019, at 5:42 PM, Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> George, in my copy of " A Boater's Guide to the Federal Requirements
> for
> >>> Recreational Boats" Printed in RED INK it says DO NOT
> >>> Anchor from the stern. Then explains why this is a bad idea.
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 4:44 PM Gmorganflier <gmorgan.flier at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Rick,
> >>>>
> >>>> I?m totally new to boating and have been out on my R22 only four
> times.
> >> Can
> >>>> you tell me why the Coast Guard would object to this method of anchor
> >>>> deployment? Is there a recommended study guide I could access to learn
> >>>> about
> >>>> their rules. I?ve found info on the required safety equipment, but
> don?t
> >>>> recall seeing any regulations on anchors.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> George
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
>  

From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Mon Oct 21 18:56:54 2019
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 18:56:54 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mainsail
In-Reply-To: <CAOo_FjcmUfCvsqLjf6WR22OM3Truybf-3fccZj6-FGxAwTqr7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F14AACEF-8025-4663-AD73-0C852E6A3BF3@gmail.com>
 <CAOo_FjcmUfCvsqLjf6WR22OM3Truybf-3fccZj6-FGxAwTqr7A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABkv36bw+FQdbg-N3shZh4e7iS6Qo+nG-=OY4NXfUJiOp6Kq2A@mail.gmail.com>

Sailing, Inc., is offering a new Rhodes 22 Genoa featuring Challenge's
Fastnet sailcloth with a UV cover and vision window retails for $1045

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 4:52 PM Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:

> I use Doyle in E. Greenwich, RI.  They made me a new custom main when I got
> my '83 a few years ago and the cost was $600.  They made me a custom 130
> genoa last winter for $1300 with a window and a luff pad for improved
> reefing.
>
>
> *Stephen Staum*
> *s/v Carol Lee 2*
>
> *Needham, MA*
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 4:34 PM David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all. Does anyone know the approximate price of a new IMF Mainsail?
> And
> > whether GBI is still selling them or whether I ned to buy directly from
> > Doyle?  We had a nor?easter with 60 MPH winds. Not a pretty site in our
> > harbor next morning. My main was shredded but others fared worse.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Dave B
>

From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Mon Oct 21 18:59:21 2019
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 18:59:21 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Deploying And Retrieving Anchor from Coc
In-Reply-To: <1790748053.3226777.1571697875355@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1571455572275-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <CABkv36Zk=+yQiDSeSpzBRkssZaV96epudD9wuLv-rXKpRCemLA@mail.gmail.com>

James,

You're still going overboard when a wave rocks you.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 6:44 PM James Nichols via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> I could see this working fairly well if the tail of the rode was run back
> to the cockpit along the same route as the head sail line.  Run it to a
> cleat along the side of the cockpit.
> The tag could be used to pull the anchor back to the cockpit once it has
> broken free of the bottom.
> The only issue I see is that you are more likely to bang the anchor on the
> side of the hull than you are on the bow.
> James
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 5:07 PM, Rick Lange<sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> wrote:   No, you can.
>
> Rick Lange
>
> On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 8:46 PM Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Is this a ?don?t ask me how I know? thing???
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > Charles
> >
> > > On Oct 20, 2019, at 2:37 PM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > When you pull up the anchor from anywhere but the bow, regardless of
> > where
> > > the bitter end of the rode is attached, you will swing the boat abeam
> of
> > > the waves.  This is an all too common cause of swamping and even
> > capsizing
> > > the boat.
> > >
> > > If you raise or lower the anchor from anywhere other than the security
> of
> > > sitting in the bow pulpit, you risk being pulled overboard.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Rick Lange
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 7:46 PM Luis Guzman <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Cary,
> > >>
> > >> I see this as an anchor deployment/retrieval method.  The anchor is
> > still
> > >> attached to the bow.
> > >>
> > >> I imagine that you still need to walk to the bow to tie/untie the
> > anchor.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Luis A. Guzm?n II
> > >> http://www.TropicalMinds.com
> > >> 941 580-1577
> > >>
> > >>> On Oct 19, 2019, at 5:42 PM, Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> George, in my copy of " A Boater's Guide to the Federal Requirements
> > for
> > >>> Recreational Boats" Printed in RED INK it says DO NOT
> > >>> Anchor from the stern. Then explains why this is a bad idea.
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 4:44 PM Gmorganflier <
> gmorgan.flier at gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hi Rick,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I?m totally new to boating and have been out on my R22 only four
> > times.
> > >> Can
> > >>>> you tell me why the Coast Guard would object to this method of
> anchor
> > >>>> deployment? Is there a recommended study guide I could access to
> learn
> > >>>> about
> > >>>> their rules. I?ve found info on the required safety equipment, but
> > don?t
> > >>>> recall seeing any regulations on anchors.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks,
> > >>>> George
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Mon Oct 21 19:08:49 2019
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 19:08:49 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Several Questions about a New-to-Me Rhodes 22
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We discussed this very topic on the list a month ago.  I have replaced my Rubbermaid water tank as specified in the thread:
http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2019-September/083470.html

I discussed it with Stan at the show last weekend and he said they used the Rubbermaid tank because it was easier to clean as it could be disassembled.  I had never thought about that!

I still prefer the classacustoms.com tank.  I carry separate water for drinking.

I bought a Seaflo 12V 1.2 GPM 35 PSI Water Pressure Diaphragm Pump from Amazon for $30 and am very pleased with it.  You do need to change out the supply to the faucet to a reinforced hose so that the pressure builds up and the pump shuts off.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Allyn Baskerville
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 3:25 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Several Questions about a New-to-Me Rhodes 22

Thanks for the responses. I never said it didn't work, but the first thing I thought when I saw it, "You know you're a redneck if..." I read a lot about Rhodes quality before I purchased the boat, and this simply surprised me. I really think this is the perfect boat for us now - we just need to get it in the water. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Rick Lange
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 1:57 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Several Questions about a New-to-Me Rhodes 22

Sounds about right.  Works great.  Keep it.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 10:54 AM Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> I have a 98 Rhodes and the water storage tank is exactly as you 
> describe, blue plastic storage container off the shelf at Walmart or 
> something. I think that is General Boats original from those days.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Charles Nieman
>
>
> > On Oct 20, 2019, at 8:21 PM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
> >
> > It's probably not good etiquette to ask several questions at once, 
> > but
> I'll see how far I get. I just brought home a 2001 Rhodes 22, and I 
> purchased it as sight-unseen, but I figured for the price it was worth it.
> There were a few things misrepresented, but I'm pleased overall.
> >
> > 1) The solar panels are no good. They are cracked, and I'd like more
> capacity. Has anyone upgraded to 100W solar?
> > 2) The water tank has been replaced with a blue storage container 
> > like
> what you'd get from Walmart. The lid is screwed on with 3 dozen or 
> more screws, but I don't want to take it apart. That needs to go. What 
> is an acceptable replacement?
> > 3) I'm going to be spending an extended time cruising next summer, 
> > and I
> need to install a bilge pump. The most logical place I can find is 
> under the battery next to the head. I'm not sure how to get the water 
> out, but the sink seems reasonable. I'm not able to see how to get the 
> drain line to the sink since no floor panels life out.
> > 4) The previous owner tied a spreader down when he moved it. It 
> > doesn't
> look bent, but one side seems considerably looser than the other. I 
> don't see how to tighten these down. Any suggestions?
> > 5) I'd like to replace the water line to the sink. Again, I don't 
> > see a
> way to access it to do this. Any help?
> > 6) I don't believe the boat has been sailed since 2011. The genoa 
> > has
> had the edge exposed to the sunlight since then, and it's faded. I'm 
> expecting it to be weak. Are there suggestions for a source for Rhodes 
> sails?
> > 7) I pull loose the power distribution panel, and the anchor light 
> > wires
> are cut about 5" from where they are screwed on. I don't see the cut 
> end anywhere behind the panel. Any suggestions as to how to get access 
> to the wires? Do I have to drop the headliner?
> >
> > Thanks - Baker
> > 8) Is there a source for the mast stepper or plans for a DIY?
> >
>


From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com  Mon Oct 21 19:53:10 2019
From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 19:53:10 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] re the Nyberg report
In-Reply-To: <fdd3e89e-6aa6-591e-4183-5ff0a818cf67@generalboats.com>
References: <fdd3e89e-6aa6-591e-4183-5ff0a818cf67@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <F7BB47D9-7BFA-4DF7-9111-1B03D87B2448@gmail.com>

Stan I personally am glad to hear from you.  Sadly this day and age it seems that the humor of sarcasm is lost on many.  My wife however has perfected the art and my children revel in the subtle art of this type humor.  My youngest is 8 and she is starting to figure out everyone isnt serious all the time ?.
I always get excited when you post because there is usually some spice and salt in it.
I love my Rhodes!  But i also bought a used com-pac because i can order parts from their website.
?

> On Oct 21, 2019, at 6:00 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Come on Peter, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
> I never said anything re your giving out info on our mast hoist. I think it is great you do things like that.  All I was referencing was that it was not the American way to conclude to the List that I failed to do something without asking me if such were the facts.
> 
> You didn't step over any lines.  No need to apologize.  I am sorry I even brought it up. . .  Just don't let it happen again.  (Now, if anyone takes issue with that last line of Brooklyn humor, sorry, but it makes me laugh.)
> 
> Meantime relax.  The important, serious stuff with GB will be coming up soon.
> 
> stan
> 
>> On 10/21/19 4:55 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote:
>> Stan,
>> 
>> You are right, I stepped over a line that I didn?t intent to, and I apologize.  My offer to supply Allyn Baskerville with design information about the General Boats Mast Hoist Crane is hereby rescinded until such time has he  a) make a good faith effort to buy one from General Boats, and  b) fails in that effort due to a lack of responsiveness or follow through on the part of General Boats.
>> 
>> However, since the original requestor of the design information has already gone through steps  a)  and  b), I will share design information with him.
>> 
>> As for occasionally letting people on the list know where they might be able to purchase items for which General Boats has no claim to intellectual property (e.g. sails, or Starboard), I?m afraid that?s likely to continue.
>> 
>> ?Peter
>> 
>>>> On Oct 21, 2019, at 11:43 AM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> In my 50 years with the Rhodes I have long since been conditioned to some sloppy outside reporting now and then, and having better things to do, let them go. Things like reporting to the List that the Rhodes uses a Dwyer mast.  Why bother; the misled will find out on their own.  Peter's reporting has been accurate so I suppose his getting sloppy has moved me enough to comment.    Peter, before your definitive reporting, I don't recall your checking with me before going to press:
>>> ("8) Another list member has recently asked me for details about the Rhodes 22 mast raising and lowering gizmo. He had wanted to buy one from Stan (General Boats), and Stan had said that he would bring one to the Annapolis show, but he didn?t. So, I?m in the process of putting together that documentation, and I?d be happy to send you a copy as well.")
>>> 
>>> stan
>> 
>> 
> 

From jfn302 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 21 20:02:09 2019
From: jfn302 at yahoo.com (James Nichols)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 00:02:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Deploying And Retrieving Anchor from Coc
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Rick,
If you are standing one the rail hauling the anchor over the side with the boat sideways to the seas. Probably.?
But, running the rode back to the cockpit allows you to haul the anchor up over the bow from the same safe position that you haul any other line on the boat.
And once the anchor is free of the bottom, it no longer has much sway over the direction the boat is facing.? You could technically let it dangle a just in the water while you got underway and then haul the tag line to bring it to the cockpit all while safely inside the cockpit.
Considering the displacement of the Rhodes and modern anchors,? the anchor shouldn't weigh more than 15 or 20 pounds,? so it shouldn't be hard to lift over the side while seated.
? Unless,? that is, you have a 1970s anchor,? then it would just be better to lift with your legs.?

James

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 6:00 PM, Rick Lange<sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:   James,

You're still going overboard when a wave rocks you.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 6:44 PM James Nichols via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> I could see this working fairly well if the tail of the rode was run back
> to the cockpit along the same route as the head sail line.? Run it to a
> cleat along the side of the cockpit.
> The tag could be used to pull the anchor back to the cockpit once it has
> broken free of the bottom.
> The only issue I see is that you are more likely to bang the anchor on the
> side of the hull than you are on the bow.
> James
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>? On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 5:07 PM, Rick Lange<sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> wrote:? No, you can.
>
> Rick Lange
>
> On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 8:46 PM Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Is this a ?don?t ask me how I know? thing???
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > Charles
> >
> > > On Oct 20, 2019, at 2:37 PM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > When you pull up the anchor from anywhere but the bow, regardless of
> > where
> > > the bitter end of the rode is attached, you will swing the boat abeam
> of
> > > the waves.? This is an all too common cause of swamping and even
> > capsizing
> > > the boat.
> > >
> > > If you raise or lower the anchor from anywhere other than the security
> of
> > > sitting in the bow pulpit, you risk being pulled overboard.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Rick Lange
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 7:46 PM Luis Guzman <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Cary,
> > >>
> > >> I see this as an anchor deployment/retrieval method.? The anchor is
> > still
> > >> attached to the bow.
> > >>
> > >> I imagine that you still need to walk to the bow to tie/untie the
> > anchor.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Luis A. Guzm?n II
> > >> http://www.TropicalMinds.com
> > >> 941 580-1577
> > >>
> > >>> On Oct 19, 2019, at 5:42 PM, Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> George, in my copy of " A Boater's Guide to the Federal Requirements
> > for
> > >>> Recreational Boats" Printed in RED INK it says DO NOT
> > >>> Anchor from the stern. Then explains why this is a bad idea.
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 4:44 PM Gmorganflier <
> gmorgan.flier at gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hi Rick,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I?m totally new to boating and have been out on my R22 only four
> > times.
> > >> Can
> > >>>> you tell me why the Coast Guard would object to this method of
> anchor
> > >>>> deployment? Is there a recommended study guide I could access to
> learn
> > >>>> about
> > >>>> their rules. I?ve found info on the required safety equipment, but
> > don?t
> > >>>> recall seeing any regulations on anchors.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks,
> > >>>> George
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>  

From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 21 20:39:32 2019
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 17:39:32 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Several Questions about a New-to-Me Rhodes 22
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I plumbed a bilge pump differently then most,    The standard solution
requires stringers be perforated and the galley removed, or the hose run
forward to the v berth, back with the galley faucet supply, and teed into
the gray water drain.    Some inland lakes don?t allow this drain.    My
boat has a center section of sole over the centerboard that can be removed
without touching the settee or galley.    I had pulled it to solve a plug in
my centerboard pennant tube, and took the opportunity to run a bilge pump
from the little access plate aft to the cockpit.    As designed there is a
chase from the cabin casting that goes up then back down in the cockpit.   
I ran a hose and elbow through this gap without having to affect watertight
integrity.    I believe it is high enough that either the cockpit or cabin
can flood to sea level without cascade flooding,    The water drains to the
cockpit.   The advantage is I will see water running if I?m single handing
and can?t hear the pump.   Rise and run length are limited.   The
disadvantage is sometimes the cockpit drain must be plugged when carrying a
large number of passengers.    Obviously a major leak when moored will drain
the battery and flood the compartment nearly up to the cushions.  

I have stock solar panels.   One died last winter, the replacement is
available but pricy.   I stuck with stock since the footprint is convenient.   
Upgrading lights to LED, pull start motor, high efficiency 12 volt fan for
sleeping and avoiding too many gizmos has been adequate for me.    I can
cruise six days without significantly draining the batteries, even with
frequent charging of the iPad and phone.    I did not sail after dark much
on these trips.    My motor does provide some charge as well (60 w 5 amp at
full throttle).   
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t691/76B894FA-C159-497A-8674-4158B251DC83.jpeg> 

One other improvement I would suggest.    Add baffles to partially seal off
the cockpit from lazarette.   I riveted corrugated plastic sign material.   
Otherwise you get to take raccoons sailing.    

Alex







-----
Alex Cole
S/V Lark
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Mon Oct 21 21:54:30 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 20:54:30 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Any other Rhodes in Oklahoma?
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I?m not in OK but I do spend some time visiting my son here in Kansas next
door. So welcome to the Rhodes Club.
Chris Geankoplis
S/V ENOSIS

On Mon, 21 Oct 2019 at 14:32, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:

> I just got the titled transferred and the boat registered today, and I
> spent about an hour there. They had to really search around and call other
> people over to figure things out - they couldn't find General Boats or
> Rhodes anywhere. That having been said, I had to wonder if there were
> any/many Rhodes boats in OK. Are there any out there? I'd sure be
> interested in visiting you. Thanks
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Mon Oct 21 22:15:53 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 21:15:53 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Several Questions about a New-to-Me Rhodes 22
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Hey Allyn,
As you see there are lots of experienced Rhodies ready to give you a wide
range of information on most subjects. Another advantage to sailing a
Rhodes. If you are interested in cruising the PNW or the sea of Cortez you
can email me and I can send you some journals on sailing those areas.
Again, welcome to the list and the brother and sisterhood of the Rhodes 22.
Chris Geankoplis
S/V ENOSIS

On Sun, 20 Oct 2019 at 20:21, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:

> It's probably not good etiquette to ask several questions at once, but
> I'll see how far I get. I just brought home a 2001 Rhodes 22, and I
> purchased it as sight-unseen, but I figured for the price it was worth it.
> There were a few things misrepresented, but I'm pleased overall.
>
> 1) The solar panels are no good. They are cracked, and I'd like more
> capacity. Has anyone upgraded to 100W solar?
> 2) The water tank has been replaced with a blue storage container like
> what you'd get from Walmart. The lid is screwed on with 3 dozen or more
> screws, but I don't want to take it apart. That needs to go. What is an
> acceptable replacement?
> 3) I'm going to be spending an extended time cruising next summer, and I
> need to install a bilge pump. The most logical place I can find is under
> the battery next to the head. I'm not sure how to get the water out, but
> the sink seems reasonable. I'm not able to see how to get the drain line to
> the sink since no floor panels life out.
> 4) The previous owner tied a spreader down when he moved it. It doesn't
> look bent, but one side seems considerably looser than the other. I don't
> see how to tighten these down. Any suggestions?
> 5) I'd like to replace the water line to the sink. Again, I don't see a
> way to access it to do this. Any help?
> 6) I don't believe the boat has been sailed since 2011. The genoa has had
> the edge exposed to the sunlight since then, and it's faded. I'm expecting
> it to be weak. Are there suggestions for a source for Rhodes sails?
> 7) I pull loose the power distribution panel, and the anchor light wires
> are cut about 5" from where they are screwed on. I don't see the cut end
> anywhere behind the panel. Any suggestions as to how to get access to the
> wires? Do I have to drop the headliner?
>
> Thanks - Baker
> 8) Is there a source for the mast stepper or plans for a DIY?
>
>

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Tue Oct 22 09:26:56 2019
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 06:26:56 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Several Questions about a New-to-Me Rhodes 22
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Chris, I have really enjoyed reading about your travels in Greece.  Thanks
for taking the time to document your adventures.  I don't recall seeing the
details of the other travels in PNW and Sea of Cortez that you mentioned. 
That would be great if you could re-post or send a link to a past post with
those attachments.

Jesse
S/V Zephyr
Omaha, Nebraska



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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Tue Oct 22 11:22:10 2019
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 11:22:10 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Deploying And Retrieving Anchor from Coc
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James,

Again, leaning over the side while hauling up the anchor is the problem.
It is best doing it from the comfort and safety of the bow pulpit.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 8:02 PM James Nichols via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Rick,
> If you are standing one the rail hauling the anchor over the side with the
> boat sideways to the seas. Probably.
> But, running the rode back to the cockpit allows you to haul the anchor up
> over the bow from the same safe position that you haul any other line on
> the boat.
> And once the anchor is free of the bottom, it no longer has much sway over
> the direction the boat is facing.  You could technically let it dangle a
> just in the water while you got underway and then haul the tag line to
> bring it to the cockpit all while safely inside the cockpit.
> Considering the displacement of the Rhodes and modern anchors,  the anchor
> shouldn't weigh more than 15 or 20 pounds,  so it shouldn't be hard to lift
> over the side while seated.
>   Unless,  that is, you have a 1970s anchor,  then it would just be better
> to lift with your legs.
>
> James
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 6:00 PM, Rick Lange<sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> wrote:   James,
>
> You're still going overboard when a wave rocks you.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rick Lange
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 6:44 PM James Nichols via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> > I could see this working fairly well if the tail of the rode was run back
> > to the cockpit along the same route as the head sail line.  Run it to a
> > cleat along the side of the cockpit.
> > The tag could be used to pull the anchor back to the cockpit once it has
> > broken free of the bottom.
> > The only issue I see is that you are more likely to bang the anchor on
> the
> > side of the hull than you are on the bow.
> > James
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
> >  On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 5:07 PM, Rick Lange<sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> > wrote:  No, you can.
> >
> > Rick Lange
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 8:46 PM Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Is this a ?don?t ask me how I know? thing???
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > Charles
> > >
> > > > On Oct 20, 2019, at 2:37 PM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > When you pull up the anchor from anywhere but the bow, regardless of
> > > where
> > > > the bitter end of the rode is attached, you will swing the boat abeam
> > of
> > > > the waves.  This is an all too common cause of swamping and even
> > > capsizing
> > > > the boat.
> > > >
> > > > If you raise or lower the anchor from anywhere other than the
> security
> > of
> > > > sitting in the bow pulpit, you risk being pulled overboard.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Rick Lange
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 7:46 PM Luis Guzman <
> luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Cary,
> > > >>
> > > >> I see this as an anchor deployment/retrieval method.  The anchor is
> > > still
> > > >> attached to the bow.
> > > >>
> > > >> I imagine that you still need to walk to the bow to tie/untie the
> > > anchor.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Luis A. Guzm?n II
> > > >> http://www.TropicalMinds.com
> > > >> 941 580-1577
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Oct 19, 2019, at 5:42 PM, Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> George, in my copy of " A Boater's Guide to the Federal
> Requirements
> > > for
> > > >>> Recreational Boats" Printed in RED INK it says DO NOT
> > > >>> Anchor from the stern. Then explains why this is a bad idea.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 4:44 PM Gmorganflier <
> > gmorgan.flier at gmail.com>
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Hi Rick,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I?m totally new to boating and have been out on my R22 only four
> > > times.
> > > >> Can
> > > >>>> you tell me why the Coast Guard would object to this method of
> > anchor
> > > >>>> deployment? Is there a recommended study guide I could access to
> > learn
> > > >>>> about
> > > >>>> their rules. I?ve found info on the required safety equipment, but
> > > don?t
> > > >>>> recall seeing any regulations on anchors.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Thanks,
> > > >>>> George
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> --
> > > >>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> > > >>>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
>

From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com  Wed Oct 23 20:16:41 2019
From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 17:16:41 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Traveler and Outhaul...do I have it set up
	correctly
Message-ID: <1571876201388-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Hello,
I received my new traveler and outhaul car today. Since I?m a total novice
sailor....been out 4 times...I wanted some people with more experience to
look at my photos to see if I have everything connected correctly. Also
today, I applied the name to my boat after a proper boat naming ceremony
recently....I?m including a photo of the name on the boat. 

Thanks, 
George
S/V Knotty Lady 1986(2010)

8AB6D19D-8C22-4CCE-8F49-7C816B5AB0C6.jpeg
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/8AB6D19D-8C22-4CCE-8F49-7C816B5AB0C6.jpeg>  

BE533102-9BB3-4C4E-B434-F3B29E0F3A3E.jpeg
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/BE533102-9BB3-4C4E-B434-F3B29E0F3A3E.jpeg>  

7A3A0059-163E-4C6F-947C-9AEF2B38A565.jpeg
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/7A3A0059-163E-4C6F-947C-9AEF2B38A565.jpeg>  





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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed Oct 23 21:10:53 2019
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 21:10:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Traveler and Outhaul...do I have it set up
 correctly
In-Reply-To: <1571876201388-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1571876201388-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <C53A8C5E-589E-4F03-B763-B58585BF5F96@sunnybeeches.com>

Both the traveler and the outhaul car look OK to me.  

There?s been an interesting change in the design of the connection between the outhaul car and the clew of the main.  Mine dates all the way back to 2016.  It had a thin piece of metal attached to the car, which was then attached to the sail with a shackle.  The thin piece of metal broke this year.  The arrangement in your picture looks more robust.  I guess Stan never stops improving his designs.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On Oct 23, 2019, at 8:16 PM, Gmorganflier <gmorgan.flier at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I received my new traveler and outhaul car today. Since I?m a total novice
> sailor....been out 4 times...I wanted some people with more experience to
> look at my photos to see if I have everything connected correctly. Also
> today, I applied the name to my boat after a proper boat naming ceremony
> recently....I?m including a photo of the name on the boat. 
> 
> Thanks, 
> George
> S/V Knotty Lady 1986(2010)
> 
> 8AB6D19D-8C22-4CCE-8F49-7C816B5AB0C6.jpeg
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/8AB6D19D-8C22-4CCE-8F49-7C816B5AB0C6.jpeg>  
> 
> BE533102-9BB3-4C4E-B434-F3B29E0F3A3E.jpeg
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/BE533102-9BB3-4C4E-B434-F3B29E0F3A3E.jpeg>  
> 
> 7A3A0059-163E-4C6F-947C-9AEF2B38A565.jpeg
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/7A3A0059-163E-4C6F-947C-9AEF2B38A565.jpeg>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/


From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Thu Oct 24 00:52:36 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 21:52:36 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Several Questions about a New-to-Me Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <1571750816113-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <SN6PR19MB238165DA5C03ADE1283628BCDC690@SN6PR19MB2381.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
 <CADNTwiXJd5M6OEJ3gH8r8yW8bd2L8F32y0V+S9m5dKUTyegfMA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1571750816113-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiX2_1_nA27M1SABCEn5wiJi1hhmP+LpPEtsrPXaYB8Mrg@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Jesse,
Gee, I was just in Omaha last week getting tires for my son?s car at
Costco. I am in Oregon but will be back in Kansas next week and I will send
you the links when I will have access to my computer.
Chris Geankoplis
S/V ENOSIS

On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 at 06:16, Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Chris, I have really enjoyed reading about your travels in Greece.  Thanks
> for taking the time to document your adventures.  I don't recall seeing the
> details of the other travels in PNW and Sea of Cortez that you mentioned.
> That would be great if you could re-post or send a link to a past post with
> those attachments.
>
> Jesse
> S/V Zephyr
> Omaha, Nebraska
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Thu Oct 24 11:04:43 2019
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 15:04:43 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Traveler and Outhaul...do I have it set
	up	correctly
In-Reply-To: <1571876201388-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1571876201388-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <BL0PR02MB46430DBA7D5DADF3C5442721806A0@BL0PR02MB4643.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi George,

Your rigging looks correct to me.

Roger Pihlaja
SV Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Gmorganflier <gmorgan.flier at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 8:16:41 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Traveler and Outhaul...do I have it set up correctly

Hello,
I received my new traveler and outhaul car today. Since I?m a total novice
sailor....been out 4 times...I wanted some people with more experience to
look at my photos to see if I have everything connected correctly. Also
today, I applied the name to my boat after a proper boat naming ceremony
recently....I?m including a photo of the name on the boat.

Thanks,
George
S/V Knotty Lady 1986(2010)

8AB6D19D-8C22-4CCE-8F49-7C816B5AB0C6.jpeg
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/8AB6D19D-8C22-4CCE-8F49-7C816B5AB0C6.jpeg>

BE533102-9BB3-4C4E-B434-F3B29E0F3A3E.jpeg
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/BE533102-9BB3-4C4E-B434-F3B29E0F3A3E.jpeg>

7A3A0059-163E-4C6F-947C-9AEF2B38A565.jpeg
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/7A3A0059-163E-4C6F-947C-9AEF2B38A565.jpeg>





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From stan at generalboats.com  Thu Oct 24 20:29:39 2019
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 20:29:39 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] gb business
In-Reply-To: <9bb73276-450a-3ea3-5f60-ac95b95dbd76@generalboats.com>
References: <9bb73276-450a-3ea3-5f60-ac95b95dbd76@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <a435a214-1077-6c6f-9312-d4bc8677258a@generalboats.com>

//
> // ///general boats policy change/
> This being of major importance to Rhodes owners and wannabes, it will 
> be presented in 3 short segments so as to not interfere with normal 
> List activity.
> Part One: Understanding the Industry:
> "What's to understand? It is just like the car business."? Many of us 
> share this common, 180 degree mistaken view in almost all aspects of 
> comparisons:
1.??? Sales.?? We all know millions of cars are manufactured each year.? 
Counting /every *size* //sailboat/ made in the U.S., take a guess at the 
grand total of all sailboats built last year. I will settle for the 
nearest ten thousand.? "American sailboat production last year hit its 
*highest* level since *2008*, roughly *7,000*." A number so 
insignificant, no one notices it alongside the cars built figure.

2.??? It's the Economy.?? 99.99% of Rhodes owners and wannabes 
characterize themselves as "middle class". They cannot function in our 
society without owning or having access to a car. Budgeting reflects 
that fact of life.? At the slightest hint of a drop in discretionary 
spending funds, the first item to be lopped off the family wish list is 
a sailboat; a car, the last.

3. ? Life expectancy. ? In years past we went to the annual automobile 
shows for the fun of seeing the new look in driving. New designs were 
uncloaked yearly; cars did nor last that long and we were back in the 
market.? Today the looks of new cars emerge less frequently, some on a 
six year term as the manufacturer sees this as the timing for an owner 
to be needing a new one.? Most all of us buy a new car a meaningful 
number of times in our lifetime. The life expectancy of today's 
sailboats is greater than that of its buyer.? Most "sailors" buy a 
sailboat once, maybe twice, in their life.

Bottom Line.?? If anything, the sailboat business has more in common 
with the housing business where a change in location is dictated by a 
job change or a family need for something larger, or smaller; changes 
that happen once or twice in a lifetime or not at all. Given this 
background on how diverse automobile and sailboat manufacturing are, the 
next time you are about to take issue with GB's business plan vs Ford's, 
take a second look at the above factual partial list of the differences, 
and bite your tongue.? If others tell you, "GB should not do something 
because GM does not do that", bite their tongue.? Coming: A boat being 
built vs a historic footnote.? As always, if anyone has any comments re 
this or the next and/or final installment, I am ready to listen - and 
respond.

stan



From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Thu Oct 24 21:21:47 2019
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 21:21:47 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] gb business
In-Reply-To: <a435a214-1077-6c6f-9312-d4bc8677258a@generalboats.com>
References: <9bb73276-450a-3ea3-5f60-ac95b95dbd76@generalboats.com>
 <a435a214-1077-6c6f-9312-d4bc8677258a@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <BE638BD6-F39A-4937-86D6-598089C55B0B@sunnybeeches.com>

I don?t really have a comment at this point, since I?m not sure where this is going but I thought I?d share a bit from a magazine article I read not that long ago about the beginning of the fiberglass boat industry after WW II.  When a few pioneers started making boats out of fiberglass, some people scoffed saying ?those boats will never last?.  The problem turned out to be exactly the opposite. 

There?s at least two aspects of this observation.  One is the waste disposal problem.  The other is that boat builders will have a harder time selling new boats if their old boats last forever.  

I?m sure the boat business is full of challenges that I don?t fully appreciate, but I don?t think it?s useful to compare it to the auto business or the housing business, neither of which I fully understand either.  Maybe we should just talk about boats.

?Peter

> On Oct 24, 2019, at 8:29 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> 
> //
>> // ///general boats policy change/
>> This being of major importance to Rhodes owners and wannabes, it will be presented in 3 short segments so as to not interfere with normal List activity.
>> Part One: Understanding the Industry:
>> "What's to understand? It is just like the car business."  Many of us share this common, 180 degree mistaken view in almost all aspects of comparisons:
> 1.    Sales.   We all know millions of cars are manufactured each year.  Counting /every *size* //sailboat/ made in the U.S., take a guess at the grand total of all sailboats built last year. I will settle for the nearest ten thousand.  "American sailboat production last year hit its *highest* level since *2008*, roughly *7,000*." A number so insignificant, no one notices it alongside the cars built figure.
> 
> 2.    It's the Economy.   99.99% of Rhodes owners and wannabes characterize themselves as "middle class". They cannot function in our society without owning or having access to a car. Budgeting reflects that fact of life.  At the slightest hint of a drop in discretionary spending funds, the first item to be lopped off the family wish list is a sailboat; a car, the last.
> 
> 3.   Life expectancy.   In years past we went to the annual automobile shows for the fun of seeing the new look in driving. New designs were uncloaked yearly; cars did nor last that long and we were back in the market.  Today the looks of new cars emerge less frequently, some on a six year term as the manufacturer sees this as the timing for an owner to be needing a new one.  Most all of us buy a new car a meaningful number of times in our lifetime. The life expectancy of today's sailboats is greater than that of its buyer.  Most "sailors" buy a sailboat once, maybe twice, in their life.
> 
> Bottom Line.   If anything, the sailboat business has more in common with the housing business where a change in location is dictated by a job change or a family need for something larger, or smaller; changes that happen once or twice in a lifetime or not at all. Given this background on how diverse automobile and sailboat manufacturing are, the next time you are about to take issue with GB's business plan vs Ford's, take a second look at the above factual partial list of the differences, and bite your tongue.  If others tell you, "GB should not do something because GM does not do that", bite their tongue.  Coming: A boat being built vs a historic footnote.  As always, if anyone has any comments re this or the next and/or final installment, I am ready to listen - and respond.
> 
> stan
> 
> 


From dwbrad at gmail.com  Thu Oct 24 21:29:45 2019
From: dwbrad at gmail.com (David Bradley)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 20:29:45 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] gb business
In-Reply-To: <a435a214-1077-6c6f-9312-d4bc8677258a@generalboats.com>
References: <a435a214-1077-6c6f-9312-d4bc8677258a@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <CE520E0E-1A09-4665-8408-D7FCFB87737F@gmail.com>

I think this is a great description of a tough business. Thanks Stan. I admire you for hanging in there and thank you for the support you provide. Looking forward to next chapters. 

Dave

> On Oct 24, 2019, at 7:29 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> 
> ?//
>> // ///general boats policy change/
>> This being of major importance to Rhodes owners and wannabes, it will be presented in 3 short segments so as to not interfere with normal List activity.
>> Part One: Understanding the Industry:
>> "What's to understand? It is just like the car business."  Many of us share this common, 180 degree mistaken view in almost all aspects of comparisons:
> 1.    Sales.   We all know millions of cars are manufactured each year.  Counting /every *size* //sailboat/ made in the U.S., take a guess at the grand total of all sailboats built last year. I will settle for the nearest ten thousand.  "American sailboat production last year hit its *highest* level since *2008*, roughly *7,000*." A number so insignificant, no one notices it alongside the cars built figure.
> 
> 2.    It's the Economy.   99.99% of Rhodes owners and wannabes characterize themselves as "middle class". They cannot function in our society without owning or having access to a car. Budgeting reflects that fact of life.  At the slightest hint of a drop in discretionary spending funds, the first item to be lopped off the family wish list is a sailboat; a car, the last.
> 
> 3.   Life expectancy.   In years past we went to the annual automobile shows for the fun of seeing the new look in driving. New designs were uncloaked yearly; cars did nor last that long and we were back in the market.  Today the looks of new cars emerge less frequently, some on a six year term as the manufacturer sees this as the timing for an owner to be needing a new one.  Most all of us buy a new car a meaningful number of times in our lifetime. The life expectancy of today's sailboats is greater than that of its buyer.  Most "sailors" buy a sailboat once, maybe twice, in their life.
> 
> Bottom Line.   If anything, the sailboat business has more in common with the housing business where a change in location is dictated by a job change or a family need for something larger, or smaller; changes that happen once or twice in a lifetime or not at all. Given this background on how diverse automobile and sailboat manufacturing are, the next time you are about to take issue with GB's business plan vs Ford's, take a second look at the above factual partial list of the differences, and bite your tongue.  If others tell you, "GB should not do something because GM does not do that", bite their tongue.  Coming: A boat being built vs a historic footnote.  As always, if anyone has any comments re this or the next and/or final installment, I am ready to listen - and respond.
> 
> stan
> 
> 

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 24 22:21:18 2019
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 22:21:18 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] gb business
In-Reply-To: <CE520E0E-1A09-4665-8408-D7FCFB87737F@gmail.com>
References: <a435a214-1077-6c6f-9312-d4bc8677258a@generalboats.com>
 <CE520E0E-1A09-4665-8408-D7FCFB87737F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMNUyRv17-78zaDAqFYQs696+MypS+utk_qhfQxaFFYN3w@mail.gmail.com>

I think keeping us all in suspense about the genesis of this new tack is
more disruptive to the list. Now I'll never be able to sleep wondering what
must have happened at the boat show besides the flooding?

Todd T.



tavares0947 at gmail.com

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019, 9:29 PM David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think this is a great description of a tough business. Thanks Stan. I
> admire you for hanging in there and thank you for the support you provide.
> Looking forward to next chapters.
>
> Dave
>
> > On Oct 24, 2019, at 7:29 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?//
> >> // ///general boats policy change/
> >> This being of major importance to Rhodes owners and wannabes, it will
> be presented in 3 short segments so as to not interfere with normal List
> activity.
> >> Part One: Understanding the Industry:
> >> "What's to understand? It is just like the car business."  Many of us
> share this common, 180 degree mistaken view in almost all aspects of
> comparisons:
> > 1.    Sales.   We all know millions of cars are manufactured each year.
> Counting /every *size* //sailboat/ made in the U.S., take a guess at the
> grand total of all sailboats built last year. I will settle for the nearest
> ten thousand.  "American sailboat production last year hit its *highest*
> level since *2008*, roughly *7,000*." A number so insignificant, no one
> notices it alongside the cars built figure.
> >
> > 2.    It's the Economy.   99.99% of Rhodes owners and wannabes
> characterize themselves as "middle class". They cannot function in our
> society without owning or having access to a car. Budgeting reflects that
> fact of life.  At the slightest hint of a drop in discretionary spending
> funds, the first item to be lopped off the family wish list is a sailboat;
> a car, the last.
> >
> > 3.   Life expectancy.   In years past we went to the annual automobile
> shows for the fun of seeing the new look in driving. New designs were
> uncloaked yearly; cars did nor last that long and we were back in the
> market.  Today the looks of new cars emerge less frequently, some on a six
> year term as the manufacturer sees this as the timing for an owner to be
> needing a new one.  Most all of us buy a new car a meaningful number of
> times in our lifetime. The life expectancy of today's sailboats is greater
> than that of its buyer.  Most "sailors" buy a sailboat once, maybe twice,
> in their life.
> >
> > Bottom Line.   If anything, the sailboat business has more in common
> with the housing business where a change in location is dictated by a job
> change or a family need for something larger, or smaller; changes that
> happen once or twice in a lifetime or not at all. Given this background on
> how diverse automobile and sailboat manufacturing are, the next time you
> are about to take issue with GB's business plan vs Ford's, take a second
> look at the above factual partial list of the differences, and bite your
> tongue.  If others tell you, "GB should not do something because GM does
> not do that", bite their tongue.  Coming: A boat being built vs a historic
> footnote.  As always, if anyone has any comments re this or the next and/or
> final installment, I am ready to listen - and respond.
> >
> > stan
> >
> >
>

From daysails at aol.com  Fri Oct 25 06:26:53 2019
From: daysails at aol.com (daysails at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 10:26:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mainsail
References: <1505874216.516547.1571999213091.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1505874216.516547.1571999213091@mail.yahoo.com>

I got a new Doyle 130 through Stan for less than the figures I am seeing here. ?I learned that Doyle is a franchise and so?
which Doyle location might matter. ?I suggest going to GB first and maybe get a better deal and sail while supporting ?our? company. ?Joe Riley, s/v Second Wind Hartwell, SC

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Mon, Oct 21, 2019 06:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mainsail


Sailing, Inc., is offering a new Rhodes 22 Genoa featuring Challenge's
Fastnet sailcloth with a UV cover and vision window retails for $1045

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 4:52 PM Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:

> I use Doyle in E. Greenwich, RI.? They made me a new custom main when I got
> my '83 a few years ago and the cost was $600.? They made me a custom 130
> genoa last winter for $1300 with a window and a luff pad for improved
> reefing.
>
>
> *Stephen Staum*
> *s/v Carol Lee 2*
>
> *Needham, MA*
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 4:34 PM David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all. Does anyone know the approximate price of a new IMF Mainsail?
> And
> > whether GBI is still selling them or whether I ned to buy directly from
> > Doyle?? We had a nor?easter with 60 MPH winds. Not a pretty site in our
> > harbor next morning. My main was shredded but others fared worse.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Dave B
>

From dwbrad at gmail.com  Fri Oct 25 08:18:58 2019
From: dwbrad at gmail.com (David Bradley)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 08:18:58 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mainsail
In-Reply-To: <1505874216.516547.1571999213091@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1505874216.516547.1571999213091@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <83E9CCDE-3FF0-43AA-9D78-D080242BB3C4@gmail.com>

Thanks Joe and others for the replies. I heard from Stan and will order from GBI.

Dave

> On Oct 25, 2019, at 6:27 AM, Sling via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?I got a new Doyle 130 through Stan for less than the figures I am seeing here.  I learned that Doyle is a franchise and so 
> which Doyle location might matter.  I suggest going to GB first and maybe get a better deal and sail while supporting ?our? company.  Joe Riley, s/v Second Wind Hartwell, SC
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Mon, Oct 21, 2019 06:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mainsail
> 
> 
> Sailing, Inc., is offering a new Rhodes 22 Genoa featuring Challenge's
> Fastnet sailcloth with a UV cover and vision window retails for $1045
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Rick Lange
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 4:52 PM Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I use Doyle in E. Greenwich, RI.  They made me a new custom main when I got
>> my '83 a few years ago and the cost was $600.  They made me a custom 130
>> genoa last winter for $1300 with a window and a luff pad for improved
>> reefing.
>> 
>> 
>> *Stephen Staum*
>> *s/v Carol Lee 2*
>> 
>> *Needham, MA*
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 4:34 PM David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all. Does anyone know the approximate price of a new IMF Mainsail?
>> And
>>> whether GBI is still selling them or whether I ned to buy directly from
>>> Doyle?  We had a nor?easter with 60 MPH winds. Not a pretty site in our
>>> harbor next morning. My main was shredded but others fared worse.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Dave B
>> 

From stan at generalboats.com  Fri Oct 25 09:28:28 2019
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 09:28:28 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] gb business
In-Reply-To: <BE638BD6-F39A-4937-86D6-598089C55B0B@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <9bb73276-450a-3ea3-5f60-ac95b95dbd76@generalboats.com>
 <a435a214-1077-6c6f-9312-d4bc8677258a@generalboats.com>
 <BE638BD6-F39A-4937-86D6-598089C55B0B@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <20d89ee8-951c-5820-ebbb-ec99d4e7a9c0@generalboats.com>


/This is not Part 2.? Just my promised response to any comments://
/
You are correct Peter, on all 3 of your points.
1.??? "those boats will never last. The problem turned out to be exactly 
the opposite."? As a still standing relic of WW11, I was there in 59 
with O'Day and the host of others discovering a business you could start 
in your garage. I am sure we all were aware of the pitfalls of a? 
product that unlike a car, does not conveniently go away. The difference 
was what we did about that fact.? Most chose to sell through dealers and 
when the dealer pipe lines were filled and that model boat stalled, they 
solved the problem for the moment by bringing out a new model that 
dealers had to start taking to keep their dealership.? We were not that 
smart or well financed so we were forced to choose the: 'If you can't 
fight them, join them' solution for survival; we bought our boats back.? 
I don't think any of those 1959 builders are here today.

2.??? You are correct about your point that "boat builders will have a 
harder time selling new boats if their old boats last forever."? So our 
early lesson was that in the sailboat business you have to keep changing 
the business plan if you don't want to die with the current one. To my 
knowledge we were the only company to buy back our boats that would not 
die and "recycle" them to be able to re-sell them with a new boat 
guarantee.

3.??? You are correct in your statement that "the boat business is full 
of challenges that I don?t fully appreciate,".? That you do not 
appreciate the next challenge is understandable.? You have to live it to 
appreciate it.? And then you have to see if you can come up with still 
another business plan change to meet the next changing market 
conditions. And, good or bad, that is what we are about to do.

You go on in your point 3 to add, "but I don?t think it?s useful to 
compare it to the auto business or the housing business, neither of 
which I fully understand either. Maybe we should just talk about 
boats."?? Here is where you miss the boat. We could again see where the 
market was again re-heading. Accordingly, for the past several years we 
have been testing another change of course to go with the changing flow 
of our particular market.? The problem with our control group was that 
many came up with the same response, 'that is not how it is in other 
businesses', cars being most often cited.? The first challenge we 
discovered was education; understanding, appreciating, that the building 
and selling of fiberglass sailboats is completely unlike other 
industries; that our customers had to be directed to /focus on their own 
self interest /rather than on business plans of dissimilar industries. 
That was the intent of Part One of our email to the List.? If you still 
don't see this need of driving home how the different temperament of a 
major industry can not be used as a one shoe fits all, hang in there, 
you will.

stan


On 10/24/19 9:21 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote:
> I don?t really have a comment at this point, since I?m not sure where this is going but I thought I?d share a bit from a magazine article I read not that long ago about the beginning of the fiberglass boat industry after WW II.  When a few pioneers started making boats out of fiberglass, some people scoffed saying ?those boats will never last?.  The problem turned out to be exactly the opposite.
>
> There?s at least two aspects of this observation.  One is the waste disposal problem.  The other is that boat builders will have a harder time selling new boats if their old boats last forever.
>
> I?m sure the boat business is full of challenges that I don?t fully appreciate, but I don?t think it?s useful to compare it to the auto business or the housing business, neither of which I fully understand either.  Maybe we should just talk about boats.
>
> ?Peter


From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Fri Oct 25 11:01:37 2019
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 11:01:37 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] gb business
In-Reply-To: <20d89ee8-951c-5820-ebbb-ec99d4e7a9c0@generalboats.com>
References: <9bb73276-450a-3ea3-5f60-ac95b95dbd76@generalboats.com>
 <a435a214-1077-6c6f-9312-d4bc8677258a@generalboats.com>
 <BE638BD6-F39A-4937-86D6-598089C55B0B@sunnybeeches.com>
 <20d89ee8-951c-5820-ebbb-ec99d4e7a9c0@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <CABkv36arHgYJr93N_8EO9+sfEm9BNvtSbLwxAWhVs7OXA7ROhA@mail.gmail.com>

Don't forget, no one sold more sailboats than JFK.

As those of us influenced by the ideals and lifestyle of JFK have let go of
sailing, there has been a corresponding overall decline in the sport.
That's not to say everyone who enjoys sailing is a fan of JFK or even
nowadays remembers who he was, but we are the cohort that fueled the
sailboat boom of the 1970's.

Rick Lange

From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Fri Oct 25 11:22:53 2019
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 11:22:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] gb business
In-Reply-To: <CABkv36arHgYJr93N_8EO9+sfEm9BNvtSbLwxAWhVs7OXA7ROhA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9bb73276-450a-3ea3-5f60-ac95b95dbd76@generalboats.com>
 <a435a214-1077-6c6f-9312-d4bc8677258a@generalboats.com>
 <BE638BD6-F39A-4937-86D6-598089C55B0B@sunnybeeches.com>
 <20d89ee8-951c-5820-ebbb-ec99d4e7a9c0@generalboats.com>
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Message-ID: <4881AC6E-23A5-4FFC-986F-39B4B845F1FE@stottarchitecture.com>

And on the other side of the aisle and perhaps equally as influential (although not to me) was William F. Buckley Jr. 
Ric
sv Dadventure 

Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
www.stottarchitecture.com
Office	631-283-1777
Cell		516-965-3164 





> On Oct 25, 2019, at 11:01 AM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Don't forget, no one sold more sailboats than JFK.
> 
> As those of us influenced by the ideals and lifestyle of JFK have let go of
> sailing, there has been a corresponding overall decline in the sport.
> That's not to say everyone who enjoys sailing is a fan of JFK or even
> nowadays remembers who he was, but we are the cohort that fueled the
> sailboat boom of the 1970's.
> 
> Rick Lange


From shawn.sustain at gmail.com  Fri Oct 25 11:39:45 2019
From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 08:39:45 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] gb business
In-Reply-To: <4881AC6E-23A5-4FFC-986F-39B4B845F1FE@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <9bb73276-450a-3ea3-5f60-ac95b95dbd76@generalboats.com>
 <a435a214-1077-6c6f-9312-d4bc8677258a@generalboats.com>
 <BE638BD6-F39A-4937-86D6-598089C55B0B@sunnybeeches.com>
 <20d89ee8-951c-5820-ebbb-ec99d4e7a9c0@generalboats.com>
 <CABkv36arHgYJr93N_8EO9+sfEm9BNvtSbLwxAWhVs7OXA7ROhA@mail.gmail.com>
 <4881AC6E-23A5-4FFC-986F-39B4B845F1FE@stottarchitecture.com>
Message-ID: <CAMzGxuOh+QUWGVLTyHj_xN_VnyX0-+moAbXi=SBCYL27RJR0UQ@mail.gmail.com>

Add Ted Turner to the mix.

Cheers,

Shawn
s/v Sweet Baboo

On Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 8:22 AM Richard Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
wrote:

> And on the other side of the aisle and perhaps equally as influential
> (although not to me) was William F. Buckley Jr.
> Ric
> sv Dadventure
>
> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> www.stottarchitecture.com
> Office  631-283-1777
> Cell            516-965-3164
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 25, 2019, at 11:01 AM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Don't forget, no one sold more sailboats than JFK.
> >
> > As those of us influenced by the ideals and lifestyle of JFK have let go
> of
> > sailing, there has been a corresponding overall decline in the sport.
> > That's not to say everyone who enjoys sailing is a fan of JFK or even
> > nowadays remembers who he was, but we are the cohort that fueled the
> > sailboat boom of the 1970's.
> >
> > Rick Lange
>
>

From dwbrad at gmail.com  Fri Oct 25 13:50:47 2019
From: dwbrad at gmail.com (David Bradley)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 13:50:47 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] gb business
In-Reply-To: <CAMzGxuOh+QUWGVLTyHj_xN_VnyX0-+moAbXi=SBCYL27RJR0UQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMzGxuOh+QUWGVLTyHj_xN_VnyX0-+moAbXi=SBCYL27RJR0UQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86F5D5A3-3C4F-4F63-BA03-9C5E63E3D56F@gmail.com>

We had Gary Jobson as a speaker at an event a few weeks ago and he had great stories about the early days sailing with Ted Turner.  We also got to take a sail on Weatherly. 1962 Americas Cup winner. Very special. 

Dave

> On Oct 25, 2019, at 11:40 AM, Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Add Ted Turner to the mix.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Shawn
> s/v Sweet Baboo
> 
>> On Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 8:22 AM Richard Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> And on the other side of the aisle and perhaps equally as influential
>> (although not to me) was William F. Buckley Jr.
>> Ric
>> sv Dadventure
>> 
>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>> www.stottarchitecture.com
>> Office  631-283-1777
>> Cell            516-965-3164
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 25, 2019, at 11:01 AM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Don't forget, no one sold more sailboats than JFK.
>>> 
>>> As those of us influenced by the ideals and lifestyle of JFK have let go
>> of
>>> sailing, there has been a corresponding overall decline in the sport.
>>> That's not to say everyone who enjoys sailing is a fan of JFK or even
>>> nowadays remembers who he was, but we are the cohort that fueled the
>>> sailboat boom of the 1970's.
>>> 
>>> Rick Lange
>> 
>> 

From a_czerwonky at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 25 14:28:07 2019
From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 18:28:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] gb business
In-Reply-To: <86F5D5A3-3C4F-4F63-BA03-9C5E63E3D56F@gmail.com>
References: <CAMzGxuOh+QUWGVLTyHj_xN_VnyX0-+moAbXi=SBCYL27RJR0UQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <255806670.665785.1572028087034@mail.yahoo.com>

Dave, great to see your post. I can imagine the sail on Weatherly.? Ted Turner is a rare event in recent years in Atlanta town.? I remember his remarks at an Atlanta Chamber event in the mid 90`s when His debt load was heaviest - totally non-chalant in saying no worries, - a million here, a million there.
Best,Art Czerwonky

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 1:51 PM, David Bradley<dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:   We had Gary Jobson as a speaker at an event a few weeks ago and he had great stories about the early days sailing with Ted Turner.? We also got to take a sail on Weatherly. 1962 Americas Cup winner. Very special. 

Dave

> On Oct 25, 2019, at 11:40 AM, Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Add Ted Turner to the mix.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Shawn
> s/v Sweet Baboo
> 
>> On Fri, Oct 25, 2019, 8:22 AM Richard Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> And on the other side of the aisle and perhaps equally as influential
>> (although not to me) was William F. Buckley Jr.
>> Ric
>> sv Dadventure
>> 
>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>> www.stottarchitecture.com
>> Office? 631-283-1777
>> Cell? ? ? ? ? ? 516-965-3164
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 25, 2019, at 11:01 AM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Don't forget, no one sold more sailboats than JFK.
>>> 
>>> As those of us influenced by the ideals and lifestyle of JFK have let go
>> of
>>> sailing, there has been a corresponding overall decline in the sport.
>>> That's not to say everyone who enjoys sailing is a fan of JFK or even
>>> nowadays remembers who he was, but we are the cohort that fueled the
>>> sailboat boom of the 1970's.
>>> 
>>> Rick Lange
>> 
>>   

From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com  Sat Oct 26 07:01:12 2019
From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 04:01:12 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Traveler and Outhaul...do I have it set
	up	correctly
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR02MB46430DBA7D5DADF3C5442721806A0@BL0PR02MB4643.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1571876201388-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Peter and Roger....thanks for letting me know all looks well with my
connections. 

George



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From stan at generalboats.com  Sat Oct 26 07:44:18 2019
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 07:44:18 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Traveler and Outhaul...do I have it set up
 correctly
In-Reply-To: <1572087672443-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1571876201388-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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I am not so sure about the traveler.? The one time adjustment line 
cleating wants to be on the aft vertical side of the car.? Could you 
send a clearer photo.
 ?stan

On 10/26/19 7:01 AM, Gmorganflier wrote:
> Peter and Roger....thanks for letting me know all looks well with my
> connections.
>
> George
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>
>


From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com  Sat Oct 26 11:27:14 2019
From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 08:27:14 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Traveler and Outhaul...do I have it set up
	correctly
In-Reply-To: <34eaf186-0287-fc0f-b5e2-44212a8733c8@generalboats.com>
References: <1571876201388-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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 <34eaf186-0287-fc0f-b5e2-44212a8733c8@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <1572103634360-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Stan,

Thanks for taking a look....I will post some better photos later today. 

George



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From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com  Sat Oct 26 14:02:23 2019
From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 11:02:23 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Traveler and Outhaul...do I have it set up
	correctly
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References: <1571876201388-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <1572112943888-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Stan,

Get catch on how I mounted the traveler. After going to the boatyard to take
the photo, I see I probably have it backwards. 

One quick question. Do you recommend loosening the tension on the backstays
when the boat is not in use or leave them tight? I see different opinions on
the list. 

Thanks, 

George CA31211F-DAF4-4A63-869A-25EF273EAB20.jpeg
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From stan at generalboats.com  Sat Oct 26 17:38:20 2019
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 17:38:20 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Traveler and Outhaul...do I have it set up
 correctly
In-Reply-To: <1572112943888-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1571876201388-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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It would work the way you originally had it, when sailing backwards.

I have never thought of loosening the back stays after sailing. As you 
can gather from 50 years of design tweaking I want my sailing time to be 
spent as much as humanly possible, sailing.? If some on the list suggest 
loosening the back stays before abandoning ship, there may be something 
to that?? If too lose the mast could move independent of boat motion, 
which does not sound too sound to me.? Maybe there is a sweet spot but I 
don't see it being too critical and would skip it:

a)?? It flies in the face of my sailing philosophy above.

b)?? And/or, should the set-it-loose group have merit and you do not 
heed their advice, good.? That might be meritorious for GB's parts business.

your open minded, motive minded boat builder,

stan


On 10/26/19 2:02 PM, Gmorganflier wrote:
> Stan,
>
> Good catch on how I mounted the traveler. After going to the boatyard to take
> the photo, I see I probably have it backwards.
>
> One quick question. Do you recommend loosening the tension on the backstays
> when the boat is not in use or leave them tight? I see different opinions on
> the list.
>
> Thanks,
>
> George CA31211F-DAF4-4A63-869A-25EF273EAB20.jpeg
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/CA31211F-DAF4-4A63-869A-25EF273EAB20.jpeg>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>
>


From tvpolise at aol.com  Mon Oct 28 08:42:01 2019
From: tvpolise at aol.com (Thomas Polise)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 08:42:01 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wiring Diagram
Message-ID: <9B1CE1CB-56F9-4FCD-86B9-8F0DDF3E2EEA@aol.com>

Does anyone have a wiring diagram with battery switch?  My boat has independent battery circuits and no switch.  I?m also looking for specs on solar panel replacement.  


From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Mon Oct 28 23:39:42 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 22:39:42 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Several Questions about a New-to-Me Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <1571750816113-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <SN6PR19MB238165DA5C03ADE1283628BCDC690@SN6PR19MB2381.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
 <CADNTwiXJd5M6OEJ3gH8r8yW8bd2L8F32y0V+S9m5dKUTyegfMA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1571750816113-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiW-fuWTJkuRhDNB0dj9EGjUbEuaZBd3Y79NhkB_2QnNaA@mail.gmail.com>

So here is a document the has all the links for all the trips I have taken
on my current R22.  Obviously we love to cruise this boat.  If there is
anything I can do to help you plan a cruise, let me know.  I may not be too
quick to respond after November as we will be in the Bahamas (not always
the best wi-fi sometimes) for the winter, so it may take a day or two to
respond.

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 8:16 AM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> Chris, I have really enjoyed reading about your travels in Greece.  Thanks
> for taking the time to document your adventures.  I don't recall seeing the
> details of the other travels in PNW and Sea of Cortez that you mentioned.
> That would be great if you could re-post or send a link to a past post with
> those attachments.
>
> Jesse
> S/V Zephyr
> Omaha, Nebraska
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From gramille at tds.net  Tue Oct 29 10:18:30 2019
From: gramille at tds.net (gramille)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 07:18:30 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] getting ready for winter
Message-ID: <1572358710513-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Sadly, my R22 is now on the hard. Mast is down and I am about to cover her
up.
I have a marine head (which has not been used for a long while). 
 I have drained the water from the holding tank via the tap.
Two questions:-
1. Is there anything else I need to do to winterize the marine head?
2. When draining the tank via the tap, the pump motor stuck on and I had to
disconnect it.
Has anyone else had that trouble and what should I do to fix the problem?
Cheers
Graham sv 00Sailin



--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Tue Oct 29 14:37:04 2019
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (mweisner at ebsmed.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 14:37:04 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Several Questions about a New-to-Me Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiW-fuWTJkuRhDNB0dj9EGjUbEuaZBd3Y79NhkB_2QnNaA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SN6PR19MB238165DA5C03ADE1283628BCDC690@SN6PR19MB2381.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
 <CADNTwiXJd5M6OEJ3gH8r8yW8bd2L8F32y0V+S9m5dKUTyegfMA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1571750816113-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CADNTwiW-fuWTJkuRhDNB0dj9EGjUbEuaZBd3Y79NhkB_2QnNaA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004001d58e87$dce34a30$96a9de90$@ebsmed.com>

Chris,

I didn't see the attached document.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Chris Geankoplis
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 11:40 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Several Questions about a New-to-Me Rhodes 22

So here is a document the has all the links for all the trips I have taken on my current R22.  Obviously we love to cruise this boat.  If there is anything I can do to help you plan a cruise, let me know.  I may not be too quick to respond after November as we will be in the Bahamas (not always the best wi-fi sometimes) for the winter, so it may take a day or two to respond.

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 8:16 AM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> Chris, I have really enjoyed reading about your travels in Greece.  
> Thanks for taking the time to document your adventures.  I don't 
> recall seeing the details of the other travels in PNW and Sea of Cortez that you mentioned.
> That would be great if you could re-post or send a link to a past post 
> with those attachments.
>
> Jesse
> S/V Zephyr
> Omaha, Nebraska
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>


From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Tue Oct 29 14:54:14 2019
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 14:54:14 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] getting ready for winter
In-Reply-To: <1572358710513-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1572358710513-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CABkv36YkJ3EXqjPZO7DKPv6rj+6sKr=Cq0fJ9AnrZTn2qyDYDA@mail.gmail.com>

Graham,

Pull antifreeze up the water intake and flush some of it, leaving some in
the bowl about 3" deep.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 10:07 AM gramille <gramille at tds.net> wrote:

> Sadly, my R22 is now on the hard. Mast is down and I am about to cover her
> up.
> I have a marine head (which has not been used for a long while).
>  I have drained the water from the holding tank via the tap.
> Two questions:-
> 1. Is there anything else I need to do to winterize the marine head?
> 2. When draining the tank via the tap, the pump motor stuck on and I had to
> disconnect it.
> Has anyone else had that trouble and what should I do to fix the problem?
> Cheers
> Graham sv 00Sailin
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Tue Oct 29 15:00:50 2019
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (mweisner at ebsmed.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 15:00:50 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wiring Diagram
In-Reply-To: <9B1CE1CB-56F9-4FCD-86B9-8F0DDF3E2EEA@aol.com>
References: <9B1CE1CB-56F9-4FCD-86B9-8F0DDF3E2EEA@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004501d58e8b$2fd193c0$8f74bb40$@ebsmed.com>

Hi Thomas,

Several owners have created wiring diagrams from their boats as follows:

From Chris Cowie 12/25/09 6:28pm:
	I am trying to better understand how my boat is wired and am putting together 
	some wiring diagrams per the enclosed 	sketches.  These sketches will be 
	updated as I learn more about what all the wires mean, where they go and what
 	they do  but this is my start.  I am open to any suggestions, critique or insight 
	from  any members better versed in how our electrical systems work.  
	What I am trying to show in my diagram is as follows:

	1. The outboard has a single set of wires that appear to go to a block with 
		pos and neg terminals to which the starter is also connected.  This 
		block appears to be connected direct to battery #2, my starter battery.
		I think the  battery #2 directly powers the starter and lift and also 
		receives a charge direct from the outboard alternator.

	2. I believe the two solar panels go direct to battery #2 but I am not sure.
		If I am correct then battery #2 would always receive a trickle charge 
		when the sun is shining and battery #2 could also receive a charge if
		the battery switch is in the both position.

	3. The battery switch seems to control how power is provided from battery #1
		and or battery #2  to the power bus.  

	4. The power bus seems to provide power to the main panel, the macerator, 
		the water pump, the vhf radio.  I see two big white wires and three 
		small white wires, two big black wires and four small black wires, 
		I don't understand were all of these go and what they do.

	5. The main distribution panel seems to have switches that control circuits 
		to each of the appliances, cabin lights, dc outlets etc....

	With input and corrections I can post a more accurate set of diagrams for fleet reference.
See attachments (Wiring05, Wiring06, Wiring07 & Wiring08) at the end of the entire email.

From Chris Cowie 04/12/10 400pm:
	I am adding some electronic equipment and spent the time to figure out how the 
	main wiring is set up in my boat.  I thought the group might enjoy seeing how this 
	is set up.  Enclosed is a schematic sketch for reference.  Note that the solar 
	panel #2 goes direct to battery #2 and solar panel #1 goes direct to the power 
	panel that is connected to battery #1.  This arrangement allows the solar panels 
	to always be charging even if the main battery switch is turned to the off position.
	The bus bar is always hot from battery #1 that means the macerator and water 
	pump will always have power from battery #1.  The terminals located in the lazaret
	is always hot from battery #2 that means the electric start and power lift always 
	has power.  Having the bus bar and lazaret terminals hot allows the power control 
	panel to remain a manageable size.
See attachment (Wiring2010) at the end of the entire email.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Thomas Polise via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 8:42 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wiring Diagram

Does anyone have a wiring diagram with battery switch?  My boat has independent battery circuits and no switch.  I?m also looking for specs on solar panel replacement.  
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From tvpolise at aol.com  Tue Oct 29 15:13:31 2019
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 15:13:31 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wiring Diagram
In-Reply-To: <004501d58e8b$2fd193c0$8f74bb40$@ebsmed.com>
References: <9B1CE1CB-56F9-4FCD-86B9-8F0DDF3E2EEA@aol.com>
 <004501d58e8b$2fd193c0$8f74bb40$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <E91433FC-E645-43DB-87A3-69122829C11E@aol.com>

Thank you!  Beautiful sketches, you must be an Architect.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 29, 2019, at 3:00 PM, <mweisner at ebsmed.com> <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Thomas,
> 
> Several owners have created wiring diagrams from their boats as follows:
> 
> From Chris Cowie 12/25/09 6:28pm:
>    I am trying to better understand how my boat is wired and am putting together 
>    some wiring diagrams per the enclosed    sketches.  These sketches will be 
>    updated as I learn more about what all the wires mean, where they go and what
>    they do  but this is my start.  I am open to any suggestions, critique or insight 
>    from  any members better versed in how our electrical systems work.  
>    What I am trying to show in my diagram is as follows:
> 
>    1. The outboard has a single set of wires that appear to go to a block with 
>        pos and neg terminals to which the starter is also connected.  This 
>        block appears to be connected direct to battery #2, my starter battery.
>        I think the  battery #2 directly powers the starter and lift and also 
>        receives a charge direct from the outboard alternator.
> 
>    2. I believe the two solar panels go direct to battery #2 but I am not sure.
>        If I am correct then battery #2 would always receive a trickle charge 
>        when the sun is shining and battery #2 could also receive a charge if
>        the battery switch is in the both position.
> 
>    3. The battery switch seems to control how power is provided from battery #1
>        and or battery #2  to the power bus.  
> 
>    4. The power bus seems to provide power to the main panel, the macerator, 
>        the water pump, the vhf radio.  I see two big white wires and three 
>        small white wires, two big black wires and four small black wires, 
>        I don't understand were all of these go and what they do.
> 
>    5. The main distribution panel seems to have switches that control circuits 
>        to each of the appliances, cabin lights, dc outlets etc....
> 
>    With input and corrections I can post a more accurate set of diagrams for fleet reference.
> See attachments (Wiring05, Wiring06, Wiring07 & Wiring08) at the end of the entire email.
> 
> From Chris Cowie 04/12/10 400pm:
>    I am adding some electronic equipment and spent the time to figure out how the 
>    main wiring is set up in my boat.  I thought the group might enjoy seeing how this 
>    is set up.  Enclosed is a schematic sketch for reference.  Note that the solar 
>    panel #2 goes direct to battery #2 and solar panel #1 goes direct to the power 
>    panel that is connected to battery #1.  This arrangement allows the solar panels 
>    to always be charging even if the main battery switch is turned to the off position.
>    The bus bar is always hot from battery #1 that means the macerator and water 
>    pump will always have power from battery #1.  The terminals located in the lazaret
>    is always hot from battery #2 that means the electric start and power lift always 
>    has power.  Having the bus bar and lazaret terminals hot allows the power control 
>    panel to remain a manageable size.
> See attachment (Wiring2010) at the end of the entire email.
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Thomas Polise via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 8:42 AM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wiring Diagram
> 
> Does anyone have a wiring diagram with battery switch?  My boat has independent battery circuits and no switch.  I?m also looking for specs on solar panel replacement.  
> <Wiring05.jpg>
> <Wiring06.jpg>
> <Wiring07.jpg>
> <Wiring08.jpg>
> <Wiring2010.jpg>


From tvpolise at aol.com  Tue Oct 29 15:13:31 2019
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 15:13:31 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wiring Diagram
In-Reply-To: <004501d58e8b$2fd193c0$8f74bb40$@ebsmed.com>
References: <9B1CE1CB-56F9-4FCD-86B9-8F0DDF3E2EEA@aol.com>
 <004501d58e8b$2fd193c0$8f74bb40$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <E91433FC-E645-43DB-87A3-69122829C11E@aol.com>

Thank you!  Beautiful sketches, you must be an Architect.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 29, 2019, at 3:00 PM, <mweisner at ebsmed.com> <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Thomas,
> 
> Several owners have created wiring diagrams from their boats as follows:
> 
> From Chris Cowie 12/25/09 6:28pm:
>    I am trying to better understand how my boat is wired and am putting together 
>    some wiring diagrams per the enclosed    sketches.  These sketches will be 
>    updated as I learn more about what all the wires mean, where they go and what
>    they do  but this is my start.  I am open to any suggestions, critique or insight 
>    from  any members better versed in how our electrical systems work.  
>    What I am trying to show in my diagram is as follows:
> 
>    1. The outboard has a single set of wires that appear to go to a block with 
>        pos and neg terminals to which the starter is also connected.  This 
>        block appears to be connected direct to battery #2, my starter battery.
>        I think the  battery #2 directly powers the starter and lift and also 
>        receives a charge direct from the outboard alternator.
> 
>    2. I believe the two solar panels go direct to battery #2 but I am not sure.
>        If I am correct then battery #2 would always receive a trickle charge 
>        when the sun is shining and battery #2 could also receive a charge if
>        the battery switch is in the both position.
> 
>    3. The battery switch seems to control how power is provided from battery #1
>        and or battery #2  to the power bus.  
> 
>    4. The power bus seems to provide power to the main panel, the macerator, 
>        the water pump, the vhf radio.  I see two big white wires and three 
>        small white wires, two big black wires and four small black wires, 
>        I don't understand were all of these go and what they do.
> 
>    5. The main distribution panel seems to have switches that control circuits 
>        to each of the appliances, cabin lights, dc outlets etc....
> 
>    With input and corrections I can post a more accurate set of diagrams for fleet reference.
> See attachments (Wiring05, Wiring06, Wiring07 & Wiring08) at the end of the entire email.
> 
> From Chris Cowie 04/12/10 400pm:
>    I am adding some electronic equipment and spent the time to figure out how the 
>    main wiring is set up in my boat.  I thought the group might enjoy seeing how this 
>    is set up.  Enclosed is a schematic sketch for reference.  Note that the solar 
>    panel #2 goes direct to battery #2 and solar panel #1 goes direct to the power 
>    panel that is connected to battery #1.  This arrangement allows the solar panels 
>    to always be charging even if the main battery switch is turned to the off position.
>    The bus bar is always hot from battery #1 that means the macerator and water 
>    pump will always have power from battery #1.  The terminals located in the lazaret
>    is always hot from battery #2 that means the electric start and power lift always 
>    has power.  Having the bus bar and lazaret terminals hot allows the power control 
>    panel to remain a manageable size.
> See attachment (Wiring2010) at the end of the entire email.
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Thomas Polise via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 8:42 AM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wiring Diagram
> 
> Does anyone have a wiring diagram with battery switch?  My boat has independent battery circuits and no switch.  I?m also looking for specs on solar panel replacement.  
> <Wiring05.jpg>
> <Wiring06.jpg>
> <Wiring07.jpg>
> <Wiring08.jpg>
> <Wiring2010.jpg>


From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Tue Oct 29 15:17:12 2019
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 19:17:12 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wiring Diagram
In-Reply-To: <E91433FC-E645-43DB-87A3-69122829C11E@aol.com>
References: <9B1CE1CB-56F9-4FCD-86B9-8F0DDF3E2EEA@aol.com>
 <004501d58e8b$2fd193c0$8f74bb40$@ebsmed.com>
 <E91433FC-E645-43DB-87A3-69122829C11E@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BN8PR18MB28338E3CA91E10E17E1CEE12D1610@BN8PR18MB2833.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>

Yes, I am an architect.

Christopher P. Cowie? ??

700 N Fairfax Street
Suite 304
Alexandria, Virginia 22314
703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile
[ccowie at cowieassociates.com]



Please consider the environment before printing this email.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 3:14 PM
To: mweisner at ebsmed.com
Cc: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wiring Diagram

Thank you!  Beautiful sketches, you must be an Architect.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 29, 2019, at 3:00 PM, <mweisner at ebsmed.com> <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Thomas,
> 
> Several owners have created wiring diagrams from their boats as follows:
> 
> From Chris Cowie 12/25/09 6:28pm:
>    I am trying to better understand how my boat is wired and am putting together 
>    some wiring diagrams per the enclosed    sketches.  These sketches will be 
>    updated as I learn more about what all the wires mean, where they go and what
>    they do  but this is my start.  I am open to any suggestions, critique or insight 
>    from  any members better versed in how our electrical systems work.  
>    What I am trying to show in my diagram is as follows:
> 
>    1. The outboard has a single set of wires that appear to go to a block with 
>        pos and neg terminals to which the starter is also connected.  This 
>        block appears to be connected direct to battery #2, my starter battery.
>        I think the  battery #2 directly powers the starter and lift and also 
>        receives a charge direct from the outboard alternator.
> 
>    2. I believe the two solar panels go direct to battery #2 but I am not sure.
>        If I am correct then battery #2 would always receive a trickle charge 
>        when the sun is shining and battery #2 could also receive a charge if
>        the battery switch is in the both position.
> 
>    3. The battery switch seems to control how power is provided from battery #1
>        and or battery #2  to the power bus.  
> 
>    4. The power bus seems to provide power to the main panel, the macerator, 
>        the water pump, the vhf radio.  I see two big white wires and three 
>        small white wires, two big black wires and four small black wires, 
>        I don't understand were all of these go and what they do.
> 
>    5. The main distribution panel seems to have switches that control circuits 
>        to each of the appliances, cabin lights, dc outlets etc....
> 
>    With input and corrections I can post a more accurate set of diagrams for fleet reference.
> See attachments (Wiring05, Wiring06, Wiring07 & Wiring08) at the end of the entire email.
> 
> From Chris Cowie 04/12/10 400pm:
>    I am adding some electronic equipment and spent the time to figure out how the 
>    main wiring is set up in my boat.  I thought the group might enjoy seeing how this 
>    is set up.  Enclosed is a schematic sketch for reference.  Note that the solar 
>    panel #2 goes direct to battery #2 and solar panel #1 goes direct to the power 
>    panel that is connected to battery #1.  This arrangement allows the solar panels 
>    to always be charging even if the main battery switch is turned to the off position.
>    The bus bar is always hot from battery #1 that means the macerator and water 
>    pump will always have power from battery #1.  The terminals located in the lazaret
>    is always hot from battery #2 that means the electric start and power lift always 
>    has power.  Having the bus bar and lazaret terminals hot allows the power control 
>    panel to remain a manageable size.
> See attachment (Wiring2010) at the end of the entire email.
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Thomas Polise via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2019 8:42 AM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wiring Diagram
> 
> Does anyone have a wiring diagram with battery switch?  My boat has independent battery circuits and no switch.  I?m also looking for specs on solar panel replacement.  
> <Wiring05.jpg>
> <Wiring06.jpg>
> <Wiring07.jpg>
> <Wiring08.jpg>
> <Wiring2010.jpg>


From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Tue Oct 29 18:32:46 2019
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 22:32:46 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] getting ready for winter
In-Reply-To: <1572358710513-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1572358710513-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <BL0PR02MB46434C7C409AC95514350B1B80610@BL0PR02MB4643.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Put a gallon of potable antifreeze into the water tank.  Then run the tap until the tank runs dry again.  This will purge all the remaining water from the pump, lines, and sink fixtures.  

The previous post re how to winterize the head and holding tank is correct.

S/V Dynamic Equilbrium has a manual water pump, so I can?t help you with the water pump not shutting off.  One thing to check, is the water pump controlled by a switch that has 3 positions: Manual/Off/Auto?  You may have it in the Manual on position.  Other than that, it sounds like you have a faulty flow switch.  But, I haven?t got a clue where that might be located.  I would start looking at the pump itself for the flow switch.

I just put S/V Dynamic Equilbrium into winter storage last week, pulled my swim platform out of the water over the weekend, and winterized my RIB yesterday.  Summer is well and truly over.  Snow is forecast for Thursday.  Sigh!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilbrium 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 29, 2019, at 10:07 AM, gramille <gramille at tds.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Sadly, my R22 is now on the hard. Mast is down and I am about to cover her
> up.
> I have a marine head (which has not been used for a long while). 
> I have drained the water from the holding tank via the tap.
> Two questions:-
> 1. Is there anything else I need to do to winterize the marine head?
> 2. When draining the tank via the tap, the pump motor stuck on and I had to
> disconnect it.
> Has anyone else had that trouble and what should I do to fix the problem?
> Cheers
> Graham sv 00Sailin
> 
> 
> 
> --
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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Tue Oct 29 21:25:24 2019
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 18:25:24 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Several Questions about a New-to-Me Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <004001d58e87$dce34a30$96a9de90$@ebsmed.com>
References: <SN6PR19MB238165DA5C03ADE1283628BCDC690@SN6PR19MB2381.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <1572398724003-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

I got the following attachment from Chris via email.  Chris, thanks for
sending this our way!

Links_to_all_sailing_trips_for_E1.docx
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/Links_to_all_sailing_trips_for_E1.docx>  

If you (or anyone else on the list) is passing through Omaha, feel free to
stop by and say hello.  If it is in sailing season then you're welcome to
come out on Zephyr, my R22.

Regarding trip planning, I may ask for some advice next season.  I'm
planning a couple of regional road trips.  One to  Lake Francis Case
<http://sdmissouririver.com/follow-the-river/the-four-lakes-and-dams/lake-francis-case/>  
in South Dakota, and another to  Lake Rathbun
<https://www.rathbunlakemarina.com/>   in Iowa.  While these are not the
ocean or Great Lakes, they are a lot bigger than my home puddle of  Lake
Manawa
<https://www.iowadnr.gov/Places-to-Go/State-Parks/Iowa-State-Parks/ParkDetails/parkid/610144> 
.






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From mark at whipplefamily.com  Tue Oct 29 22:30:19 2019
From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 22:30:19 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Inverter
In-Reply-To: <1572398724003-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <SN6PR19MB238165DA5C03ADE1283628BCDC690@SN6PR19MB2381.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <CA+WP5ARkN_SCojAKCYAebrQCwBwT95OkoXB67_iojuFG+kEnDA@mail.gmail.com>

I can't find it now, but someone mentioned they had installed an inverter
in their R22. I'd like to know how large a converter was installed and
where it was installed.

Thanks in advance,

Mark Whipple
Boston, MA

s/v Tiny Dancer, 2000 R22
Compac 16
Nimble 30 yawl (for sale!)

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Tue Oct 29 22:39:40 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 21:39:40 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Several Questions about a New-to-Me Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <1572398724003-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Oh they will be fun!  Count on it.

Chris G

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 8:14 PM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> I got the following attachment from Chris via email.  Chris, thanks for
> sending this our way!
>
> Links_to_all_sailing_trips_for_E1.docx
> <
> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/Links_to_all_sailing_trips_for_E1.docx>
>
>
> If you (or anyone else on the list) is passing through Omaha, feel free to
> stop by and say hello.  If it is in sailing season then you're welcome to
> come out on Zephyr, my R22.
>
> Regarding trip planning, I may ask for some advice next season.  I'm
> planning a couple of regional road trips.  One to  Lake Francis Case
> <
> http://sdmissouririver.com/follow-the-river/the-four-lakes-and-dams/lake-francis-case/>
>
> in South Dakota, and another to  Lake Rathbun
> <https://www.rathbunlakemarina.com/>   in Iowa.  While these are not the
> ocean or Great Lakes, they are a lot bigger than my home puddle of  Lake
> Manawa
> <
> https://www.iowadnr.gov/Places-to-Go/State-Parks/Iowa-State-Parks/ParkDetails/parkid/610144>
>
> .
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From jfn302 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 30 09:27:48 2019
From: jfn302 at yahoo.com (James Nichols)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 13:27:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Inverter
In-Reply-To: <CA+WP5ARkN_SCojAKCYAebrQCwBwT95OkoXB67_iojuFG+kEnDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SN6PR19MB238165DA5C03ADE1283628BCDC690@SN6PR19MB2381.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
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 <1571750816113-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CADNTwiW-fuWTJkuRhDNB0dj9EGjUbEuaZBd3Y79NhkB_2QnNaA@mail.gmail.com>
 <004001d58e87$dce34a30$96a9de90$@ebsmed.com>
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 <CA+WP5ARkN_SCojAKCYAebrQCwBwT95OkoXB67_iojuFG+kEnDA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1779559273.2052790.1572442068707@mail.yahoo.com>

The size of the inverter you want is going to be more along the lines what you want to power.??
A computer takes about 90-120w depending on the laptop.? Cell phone chargers take less than 15w.
If you plan on charging a couple phones and tablets along with powering a couple laptops,? then you can install a 500w inverter and it will cover your power needs.?
If you plan on running a coffee maker, microwave oven or hair dryer as well,? make it a 2,000w inverter.??
And add a few more batteries.?
As for where to install it,? as close to the batteries as possible but still convenient to use the plugs and switches on it.?
There are more complicated methods to install it where you run the power cable through the breaker panel and extend the connections with a power strip so you can hide the inverter.? But most of the time it is best just to make it readily accessible.?
James
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 9:30 PM, Mark Whipple<mark at whipplefamily.com> wrote:   I can't find it now, but someone mentioned they had installed an inverter
in their R22. I'd like to know how large a converter was installed and
where it was installed.

Thanks in advance,

Mark Whipple
Boston, MA

s/v Tiny Dancer, 2000 R22
Compac 16
Nimble 30 yawl (for sale!)
  

From gramille at tds.net  Wed Oct 30 09:44:46 2019
From: gramille at tds.net (gramille)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 06:44:46 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] getting ready for winter
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR02MB46434C7C409AC95514350B1B80610@BL0PR02MB4643.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1572358710513-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <BL0PR02MB46434C7C409AC95514350B1B80610@BL0PR02MB4643.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1572443086768-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Thanks. Already lookin g forward to Spring!



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From allynb at adsne.com  Wed Oct 30 10:22:19 2019
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 14:22:19 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Several Questions about a New-to-Me Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <1571704772857-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <SN6PR19MB238165DA5C03ADE1283628BCDC690@SN6PR19MB2381.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
 <7E6E5717-0BD9-4FA7-9603-A248828DE839@sunnybeeches.com>
 <SN6PR19MB23819AB41550521A14A40C9DDC690@SN6PR19MB2381.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <SN6PR19MB23814859D9BE73B0571CD658DC600@SN6PR19MB2381.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Great info, and thanks for the pic. I started trying to remove the cabin carpet, but it seems to be glued down. However, I don't see glue on the decking in your picture. Is there a trick to getting the carpet up without tearing up the carpet? I like this idea - I want to cut as little as possible.

Do you have a link to the solar panels? I may end up installing larger panels, but I'd like to check out these out.

Copy that regarding the baffles. We have lots of racoons here - I think a family of 8 and another of 5. They eat most of our grapes and figs.

Thanks for your response.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of S/V Lark
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 7:40 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Several Questions about a New-to-Me Rhodes 22

I plumbed a bilge pump differently then most,    The standard solution
requires stringers be perforated and the galley removed, or the hose run forward to the v berth, back with the galley faucet supply, and teed into
the gray water drain.    Some inland lakes don?t allow this drain.    My
boat has a center section of sole over the centerboard that can be removed
without touching the settee or galley.    I had pulled it to solve a plug in
my centerboard pennant tube, and took the opportunity to run a bilge pump
from the little access plate aft to the cockpit.    As designed there is a
chase from the cabin casting that goes up then back down in the cockpit.   
I ran a hose and elbow through this gap without having to affect watertight
integrity.    I believe it is high enough that either the cockpit or cabin
can flood to sea level without cascade flooding,    The water drains to the
cockpit.   The advantage is I will see water running if I?m single handing
and can?t hear the pump.   Rise and run length are limited.   The
disadvantage is sometimes the cockpit drain must be plugged when carrying a
large number of passengers.    Obviously a major leak when moored will drain
the battery and flood the compartment nearly up to the cushions.  

I have stock solar panels.   One died last winter, the replacement is
available but pricy.   I stuck with stock since the footprint is convenient.   
Upgrading lights to LED, pull start motor, high efficiency 12 volt fan for
sleeping and avoiding too many gizmos has been adequate for me.    I can
cruise six days without significantly draining the batteries, even with
frequent charging of the iPad and phone.    I did not sail after dark much
on these trips.    My motor does provide some charge as well (60 w 5 amp at
full throttle).   
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t691/76B894FA-C159-497A-8674-4158B251DC83.jpeg> 

One other improvement I would suggest.    Add baffles to partially seal off
the cockpit from lazarette.   I riveted corrugated plastic sign material.   
Otherwise you get to take raccoons sailing.    

Alex







-----
Alex Cole
S/V Lark
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From allynb at adsne.com  Wed Oct 30 10:34:23 2019
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 14:34:23 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Several Questions about a New-to-Me Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <006401d58864$8051f6a0$80f5e3e0$@ebsmed.com>
References: <SN6PR19MB238165DA5C03ADE1283628BCDC690@SN6PR19MB2381.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
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OK, I like this idea, and I have a brand new Flojet pump that has been sitting in the box for 5 years. Thanks for the info.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Michael D. Weisner
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 6:09 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Several Questions about a New-to-Me Rhodes 22

We discussed this very topic on the list a month ago.  I have replaced my Rubbermaid water tank as specified in the thread:
http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2019-September/083470.html

I discussed it with Stan at the show last weekend and he said they used the Rubbermaid tank because it was easier to clean as it could be disassembled.  I had never thought about that!

I still prefer the classacustoms.com tank.  I carry separate water for drinking.

I bought a Seaflo 12V 1.2 GPM 35 PSI Water Pressure Diaphragm Pump from Amazon for $30 and am very pleased with it.  You do need to change out the supply to the faucet to a reinforced hose so that the pressure builds up and the pump shuts off.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Allyn Baskerville
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 3:25 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Several Questions about a New-to-Me Rhodes 22

Thanks for the responses. I never said it didn't work, but the first thing I thought when I saw it, "You know you're a redneck if..." I read a lot about Rhodes quality before I purchased the boat, and this simply surprised me. I really think this is the perfect boat for us now - we just need to get it in the water. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Rick Lange
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2019 1:57 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Several Questions about a New-to-Me Rhodes 22

Sounds about right.  Works great.  Keep it.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 10:54 AM Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> I have a 98 Rhodes and the water storage tank is exactly as you 
> describe, blue plastic storage container off the shelf at Walmart or 
> something. I think that is General Boats original from those days.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Charles Nieman
>
>
> > On Oct 20, 2019, at 8:21 PM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
> >
> > It's probably not good etiquette to ask several questions at once, 
> > but
> I'll see how far I get. I just brought home a 2001 Rhodes 22, and I 
> purchased it as sight-unseen, but I figured for the price it was worth it.
> There were a few things misrepresented, but I'm pleased overall.
> >
> > 1) The solar panels are no good. They are cracked, and I'd like more
> capacity. Has anyone upgraded to 100W solar?
> > 2) The water tank has been replaced with a blue storage container 
> > like
> what you'd get from Walmart. The lid is screwed on with 3 dozen or 
> more screws, but I don't want to take it apart. That needs to go. What 
> is an acceptable replacement?
> > 3) I'm going to be spending an extended time cruising next summer, 
> > and I
> need to install a bilge pump. The most logical place I can find is 
> under the battery next to the head. I'm not sure how to get the water 
> out, but the sink seems reasonable. I'm not able to see how to get the 
> drain line to the sink since no floor panels life out.
> > 4) The previous owner tied a spreader down when he moved it. It 
> > doesn't
> look bent, but one side seems considerably looser than the other. I 
> don't see how to tighten these down. Any suggestions?
> > 5) I'd like to replace the water line to the sink. Again, I don't 
> > see a
> way to access it to do this. Any help?
> > 6) I don't believe the boat has been sailed since 2011. The genoa 
> > has
> had the edge exposed to the sunlight since then, and it's faded. I'm 
> expecting it to be weak. Are there suggestions for a source for Rhodes 
> sails?
> > 7) I pull loose the power distribution panel, and the anchor light 
> > wires
> are cut about 5" from where they are screwed on. I don't see the cut 
> end anywhere behind the panel. Any suggestions as to how to get access 
> to the wires? Do I have to drop the headliner?
> >
> > Thanks - Baker
> > 8) Is there a source for the mast stepper or plans for a DIY?
> >
>


From mark at whipplefamily.com  Wed Oct 30 10:38:53 2019
From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 10:38:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Inverter
In-Reply-To: <1779559273.2052790.1572442068707@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <SN6PR19MB238165DA5C03ADE1283628BCDC690@SN6PR19MB2381.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
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Hi James,

Thank you for the input. I probably should have given a little more
context.I actually already own a Xantrex 2000W pure sine wave
inverter/charger (and associated hardware/wiring) that I was going to
install in my Nimble 30, but never got around to doing the install. It's
overkill for what I need (and for what I can pull from the batteries) but
since I already have it, it doesn't really make sense to buy a different
one. Now I'm looking for a place to put it. Since I'll probably remove the
holding tank and install a composting toilet, that is a possible location.
Just wondering what others have done.

Thanks,
Mark

On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 9:27 AM James Nichols via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> The size of the inverter you want is going to be more along the lines what
> you want to power.
> A computer takes about 90-120w depending on the laptop.  Cell phone
> chargers take less than 15w.
> If you plan on charging a couple phones and tablets along with powering a
> couple laptops,  then you can install a 500w inverter and it will cover
> your power needs.
> If you plan on running a coffee maker, microwave oven or hair dryer as
> well,  make it a 2,000w inverter.
> And add a few more batteries.
> As for where to install it,  as close to the batteries as possible but
> still convenient to use the plugs and switches on it.
> There are more complicated methods to install it where you run the power
> cable through the breaker panel and extend the connections with a power
> strip so you can hide the inverter.  But most of the time it is best just
> to make it readily accessible.
> James
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 9:30 PM, Mark Whipple<mark at whipplefamily.com>
> wrote:   I can't find it now, but someone mentioned they had installed an
> inverter
> in their R22. I'd like to know how large a converter was installed and
> where it was installed.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Mark Whipple
> Boston, MA
>
> s/v Tiny Dancer, 2000 R22
> Compac 16
> Nimble 30 yawl (for sale!)
>
>

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Wed Oct 30 10:49:51 2019
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael Weisner)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 10:49:51 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Inverter
In-Reply-To: <CA+WP5ARkN_SCojAKCYAebrQCwBwT95OkoXB67_iojuFG+kEnDA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.803.1572446999.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>

Hi Mark,I installed a 200W unit screwed to the ceiling of the cabin, next to my VHF, above the galley, near the entrance from the cockpit. The device works reasonably well providing AC and USB receptacles. Be sure to leave space behind the fan for cooling.? It interferes with the AM/FM reception (USB music player time). The product is on Amazon for $20 (200W Car Power Inverter 12V DC to 110V AC Converter with 3.1 A Dual USB Quick Car Charger Adapter). It comes with a cigarette lighter plug if you do not wish to hard wire into the electrical system. Be careful not to run down the battery while using it (at full power it draws 20A!)Mikes/v Wind Lass '91Nissequogue, NY
-------- Original message --------From: Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com> Date: 10/29/19  10:30 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Inverter I can't find it now, but someone mentioned they had installed an inverterin their R22. I'd like to know how large a converter was installed andwhere it was installed.Thanks in advance,Mark WhippleBoston, MAs/v Tiny Dancer, 2000 R22Compac 16Nimble 30 yawl (for sale!)

From stan at generalboats.com  Thu Oct 31 08:05:30 2019
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 08:05:30 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] gb policy change (continued)
Message-ID: <40a81c56-7738-4864-7cb4-c82e8d83cccc@generalboats.com>


Part one and a half (a GB extra)

 ?A Contest for all those who either, purchased their Rhodes from 
General Boats OR, are enlisted in the Certificate of Support community:

First prize (there are no second or third prizes) for the longest list 
of advantages in having your Rhodes remain a boat in production:? A $100 
credit on one of the following new options:

Glass Tiller
Continuous Control Line, Cleatless Traveler
Hard Clew Connected Outhaul Car
OR
Self Tending Jib (new for 2020)

In case of ties, ties will be awarded.? (could not resist that old Henry 
Morgan line).? Actually all ties for the longest list, posted in the 
next 24 hours, will be winners.

Here is one "advantage" listing for free;

1.??? Ongoing source for proprietary parts OR parts that match existing 
holes on your boat.

2. . . .? (start thinking)

good luck




From cindyspitzer at gmail.com  Thu Oct 31 10:01:26 2019
From: cindyspitzer at gmail.com (Cindy Spitzer)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 10:01:26 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] gb policy change (continued)
In-Reply-To: <40a81c56-7738-4864-7cb4-c82e8d83cccc@generalboats.com>
References: <40a81c56-7738-4864-7cb4-c82e8d83cccc@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <CABbc6O7V=y+ct-7KgvS95+bp=obR38y8C5GzsA16ha=NrtnCOg@mail.gmail.com>

Clever.
See my editing suggestions below, in CAPITAL LETTERS.
Adding a few words makes it easier to understand.  Use what you want and
delete the rest.



On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 8:05 AM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:

>
> Part one and a half (a GB extra)
>
> I AM RUNNING a contest for all those who either purchased their Rhodes
> from
> General Boats OR are enlisted in the Certificate of Support community:
>
> First prize (there are no second or third prizes) GOES TO WHOEVER POSTS
> the longest list
> of advantages OF having your Rhodes remain a boat in production:  A $100
> credit TOWARD THE PIRCHASE OF one of the following new RHODES options:
>
> FIBERglass Tiller
> Continuous Control Line, Cleatless Traveler
> Hard Clew Connected Outhaul Car
> OR
> Self Tending Jib (new for 2020)
>
> In case of ties, ties will be awarded.  (could not resist that old Henry
> Morgan line).  Actually, all ties for the longest list, posted in the
> next 24 hours, will be winners.
>
> TO HELP GET YOU STARTED, here is one "advantage" listing for free:
>
> 1.    HAVING YOUR RHODES REMAIN A BOAT IN PRODUCTION PROVIDES AN ongoing
> source for proprietary parts OR parts that match existing
> holes on your boat.
>
> 2. . . .  (start thinking)
>
> good luck
>
>
>
>

From rlowe at vt.edu  Thu Oct 31 11:08:44 2019
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 15:08:44 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] gb policy change (continued)
In-Reply-To: <CABbc6O7V=y+ct-7KgvS95+bp=obR38y8C5GzsA16ha=NrtnCOg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <40a81c56-7738-4864-7cb4-c82e8d83cccc@generalboats.com>
 <CABbc6O7V=y+ct-7KgvS95+bp=obR38y8C5GzsA16ha=NrtnCOg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BN6PR05MB2964EA332EF344D9C2EFAD1CC1630@BN6PR05MB2964.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Cindy,
Where were you when Michael was posting and we all needed de-coder rings to figure out his messages :) - rob


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Cindy Spitzer
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 10:01 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] gb policy change (continued)

Clever.
See my editing suggestions below, in CAPITAL LETTERS.
Adding a few words makes it easier to understand.  Use what you want and delete the rest.



On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 8:05 AM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:

>
> Part one and a half (a GB extra)
>
> I AM RUNNING a contest for all those who either purchased their Rhodes 
> from General Boats OR are enlisted in the Certificate of Support 
> community:
>
> First prize (there are no second or third prizes) GOES TO WHOEVER 
> POSTS the longest list of advantages OF having your Rhodes remain a 
> boat in production:  A $100 credit TOWARD THE PIRCHASE OF one of the 
> following new RHODES options:
>
> FIBERglass Tiller
> Continuous Control Line, Cleatless Traveler Hard Clew Connected 
> Outhaul Car OR Self Tending Jib (new for 2020)
>
> In case of ties, ties will be awarded.  (could not resist that old 
> Henry Morgan line).  Actually, all ties for the longest list, posted 
> in the next 24 hours, will be winners.
>
> TO HELP GET YOU STARTED, here is one "advantage" listing for free:
>
> 1.    HAVING YOUR RHODES REMAIN A BOAT IN PRODUCTION PROVIDES AN ongoing
> source for proprietary parts OR parts that match existing holes on 
> your boat.
>
> 2. . . .  (start thinking)
>
> good luck
>
>
>
>

From mark at whipplefamily.com  Thu Oct 31 11:49:46 2019
From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 11:49:46 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Inverter
In-Reply-To: <mailman.803.1572446999.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
References: <CA+WP5ARkN_SCojAKCYAebrQCwBwT95OkoXB67_iojuFG+kEnDA@mail.gmail.com>
 <mailman.803.1572446999.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
Message-ID: <CA+WP5ARTGdZDeYycLJpXqdB9+bb=uyyzrpi9Nz=EhzrZnsi89w@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Michael!

Mark

On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 10:49 AM Michael Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> Hi Mark,I installed a 200W unit screwed to the ceiling of the cabin, next
> to my VHF, above the galley, near the entrance from the cockpit. The device
> works reasonably well providing AC and USB receptacles. Be sure to leave
> space behind the fan for cooling.  It interferes with the AM/FM reception
> (USB music player time). The product is on Amazon for $20 (200W Car Power
> Inverter 12V DC to 110V AC Converter with 3.1 A Dual USB Quick Car Charger
> Adapter). It comes with a cigarette lighter plug if you do not wish to hard
> wire into the electrical system. Be careful not to run down the battery
> while using it (at full power it draws 20A!)Mikes/v Wind Lass
> '91Nissequogue, NY
> -------- Original message --------From: Mark Whipple <
> mark at whipplefamily.com> Date: 10/29/19  10:30 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The
> Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject:
> [Rhodes22-list] Inverter I can't find it now, but someone mentioned they
> had installed an inverterin their R22. I'd like to know how large a
> converter was installed andwhere it was installed.Thanks in advance,Mark
> WhippleBoston, MAs/v Tiny Dancer, 2000 R22Compac 16Nimble 30 yawl (for
> sale!)

From stan at generalboats.com  Thu Oct 31 13:10:23 2019
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 13:10:23 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] gb policy change (continued)
In-Reply-To: <CABbc6O7V=y+ct-7KgvS95+bp=obR38y8C5GzsA16ha=NrtnCOg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <40a81c56-7738-4864-7cb4-c82e8d83cccc@generalboats.com>
 <CABbc6O7V=y+ct-7KgvS95+bp=obR38y8C5GzsA16ha=NrtnCOg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <93f36a0f-27ff-7553-d276-55883cc6d209@generalboats.com>


To:? An over the hill writer ("America's Bubble Economy", "Aftershock" 
and something to do with sex which, incidentally, did not work.)

1.??? Did not know you were on this List.

2.??? It is for Rhodes 22 owners, not O'Day 23 owners so

3,??? Sorry, you are not eligible and

4.??? Stop pulling rank.? (remember what I taught you: age before beauty.)

On 10/31/19 10:01 AM, Cindy Spitzer wrote:
> Clever.
> See my editing suggestions below, in CAPITAL LETTERS.
> Adding a few words makes it easier to understand.  Use what you want and
> delete the rest.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 8:05 AM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>
>> Part one and a half (a GB extra)
>>
>> I AM RUNNING a contest for all those who either purchased their Rhodes
>> from
>> General Boats OR are enlisted in the Certificate of Support community:
>>
>> First prize (there are no second or third prizes) GOES TO WHOEVER POSTS
>> the longest list of advantages OF having your Rhodes remain a boat in production:  A $100 credit TOWARD THE PIRCHASE OF one of the following new RHODES options:
FIBERglass Tiller
Continuous Control Line, Cleatless Traveler
Hard Clew Connected Outhaul Car
OR
Self Tending Jib (new for 2020)
>> In case of ties, ties will be awarded.  (could not resist that old Henry
>> Morgan line).  Actually, all ties for the longest list, posted in the
>> next 24 hours, will be winners.
>>
>> TO HELP GET YOU STARTED, here is one "advantage" listing for free:
>>
>> 1.    HAVING YOUR RHODES REMAIN A BOAT IN PRODUCTION provides an ongoing source for proprietary parts OR parts that match existing holes on your boat.
>>
>> 2. . . .  (start thinking)
>>
>> good luck
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


From mark at whipplefamily.com  Thu Oct 31 13:58:42 2019
From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 13:58:42 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room
In-Reply-To: <mailman.803.1572446999.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
References: <CA+WP5ARkN_SCojAKCYAebrQCwBwT95OkoXB67_iojuFG+kEnDA@mail.gmail.com>
 <mailman.803.1572446999.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
Message-ID: <CA+WP5ASAW8Mznk5EfZmcrpHdvZBZzYkMHUnbX-7JCqFfeEHUPA@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone have a boom room they'd like to sell?

Thanks,

Mark Whipple

Boston, MA
2000 R22
1986 ComPac 16
1987 Nimble 30 yawl (for sale)

From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com  Thu Oct 31 16:28:27 2019
From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 16:28:27 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] gb policy change (continued)
In-Reply-To: <93f36a0f-27ff-7553-d276-55883cc6d209@generalboats.com>
References: <93f36a0f-27ff-7553-d276-55883cc6d209@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <7B8DB2A8-2AFA-4887-A581-DD31CEC59F87@gmail.com>

Prices please?

> On Oct 31, 2019, at 1:10 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> To:  An over the hill writer ("America's Bubble Economy", "Aftershock" and something to do with sex which, incidentally, did not work.)
> 
> 1.    Did not know you were on this List.
> 
> 2.    It is for Rhodes 22 owners, not O'Day 23 owners so
> 
> 3,    Sorry, you are not eligible and
> 
> 4.    Stop pulling rank.  (remember what I taught you: age before beauty.)
> 
>> On 10/31/19 10:01 AM, Cindy Spitzer wrote:
>> Clever.
>> See my editing suggestions below, in CAPITAL LETTERS.
>> Adding a few words makes it easier to understand.  Use what you want and
>> delete the rest.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 8:05 AM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Part one and a half (a GB extra)
>>> 
>>> I AM RUNNING a contest for all those who either purchased their Rhodes
>>> from
>>> General Boats OR are enlisted in the Certificate of Support community:
>>> 
>>> First prize (there are no second or third prizes) GOES TO WHOEVER POSTS
>>> the longest list of advantages OF having your Rhodes remain a boat in production:  A $100 credit TOWARD THE PIRCHASE OF one of the following new RHODES options:
> FIBERglass Tiller
> Continuous Control Line, Cleatless Traveler
> Hard Clew Connected Outhaul Car
> OR
> Self Tending Jib (new for 2020)
>>> In case of ties, ties will be awarded.  (could not resist that old Henry
>>> Morgan line).  Actually, all ties for the longest list, posted in the
>>> next 24 hours, will be winners.
>>> 
>>> TO HELP GET YOU STARTED, here is one "advantage" listing for free:
>>> 
>>> 1.    HAVING YOUR RHODES REMAIN A BOAT IN PRODUCTION provides an ongoing source for proprietary parts OR parts that match existing holes on your boat.
>>> 
>>> 2. . . .  (start thinking)
>>> 
>>> good luck
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 

From a_czerwonky at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 31 16:41:33 2019
From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 20:41:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Room
In-Reply-To: <CA+WP5ASAW8Mznk5EfZmcrpHdvZBZzYkMHUnbX-7JCqFfeEHUPA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+WP5ARkN_SCojAKCYAebrQCwBwT95OkoXB67_iojuFG+kEnDA@mail.gmail.com>
 <mailman.803.1572446999.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
 <CA+WP5ASAW8Mznk5EfZmcrpHdvZBZzYkMHUnbX-7JCqFfeEHUPA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1107935155.2619564.1572554493362@mail.yahoo.com>

Mark,
I have made the BR for our R22, not a. clue on the ComPac or Nimble.? Contact me back channel and I can fill you in.Art Czerwonkys,/v MaryJane

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 1:59 PM, Mark Whipple<mark at whipplefamily.com> wrote:   Does anyone have a boom room they'd like to sell?

Thanks,

Mark Whipple

Boston, MA
2000 R22
1986 ComPac 16
1987 Nimble 30 yawl (for sale)
  

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 31 18:06:11 2019
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 18:06:11 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] gb policy change (continued)
In-Reply-To: <7B8DB2A8-2AFA-4887-A581-DD31CEC59F87@gmail.com>
References: <93f36a0f-27ff-7553-d276-55883cc6d209@generalboats.com>
 <7B8DB2A8-2AFA-4887-A581-DD31CEC59F87@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMPi1oC1xyi8BDye3zhtVTH8NVy7Zu=hDNG0j59rwbt06Q@mail.gmail.com>

Am I listed on the C of S roles?

Todd T.

tavares0947 at gmail.com

On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 4:28 PM Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:

> Prices please?
>
> > On Oct 31, 2019, at 1:10 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?
> > To:  An over the hill writer ("America's Bubble Economy", "Aftershock"
> and something to do with sex which, incidentally, did not work.)
> >
> > 1.    Did not know you were on this List.
> >
> > 2.    It is for Rhodes 22 owners, not O'Day 23 owners so
> >
> > 3,    Sorry, you are not eligible and
> >
> > 4.    Stop pulling rank.  (remember what I taught you: age before
> beauty.)
> >
> >> On 10/31/19 10:01 AM, Cindy Spitzer wrote:
> >> Clever.
> >> See my editing suggestions below, in CAPITAL LETTERS.
> >> Adding a few words makes it easier to understand.  Use what you want and
> >> delete the rest.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 8:05 AM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Part one and a half (a GB extra)
> >>>
> >>> I AM RUNNING a contest for all those who either purchased their Rhodes
> >>> from
> >>> General Boats OR are enlisted in the Certificate of Support community:
> >>>
> >>> First prize (there are no second or third prizes) GOES TO WHOEVER POSTS
> >>> the longest list of advantages OF having your Rhodes remain a boat in
> production:  A $100 credit TOWARD THE PIRCHASE OF one of the following new
> RHODES options:
> > FIBERglass Tiller
> > Continuous Control Line, Cleatless Traveler
> > Hard Clew Connected Outhaul Car
> > OR
> > Self Tending Jib (new for 2020)
> >>> In case of ties, ties will be awarded.  (could not resist that old
> Henry
> >>> Morgan line).  Actually, all ties for the longest list, posted in the
> >>> next 24 hours, will be winners.
> >>>
> >>> TO HELP GET YOU STARTED, here is one "advantage" listing for free:
> >>>
> >>> 1.    HAVING YOUR RHODES REMAIN A BOAT IN PRODUCTION provides an
> ongoing source for proprietary parts OR parts that match existing holes on
> your boat.
> >>>
> >>> 2. . . .  (start thinking)
> >>>
> >>> good luck
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 31 18:08:20 2019
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 18:08:20 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] gb policy change (continued)
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMPi1oC1xyi8BDye3zhtVTH8NVy7Zu=hDNG0j59rwbt06Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <93f36a0f-27ff-7553-d276-55883cc6d209@generalboats.com>
 <7B8DB2A8-2AFA-4887-A581-DD31CEC59F87@gmail.com>
 <CAB-twMPi1oC1xyi8BDye3zhtVTH8NVy7Zu=hDNG0j59rwbt06Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMNkqrOCg4ECNaWJr-iweK+TnDByvh+3WgPX+w8Gr_hi1w@mail.gmail.com>

If not, can I still send you the $31.50? (10% of my FIRST R22 purchase
price) I bought it at an auction.

Todd T.

tavares0947 at gmail.com

On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 6:06 PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Am I listed on the C of S roles?
>
> Todd T.
>
> tavares0947 at gmail.com
>
> On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 4:28 PM Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Prices please?
>>
>> > On Oct 31, 2019, at 1:10 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > ?
>> > To:  An over the hill writer ("America's Bubble Economy", "Aftershock"
>> and something to do with sex which, incidentally, did not work.)
>> >
>> > 1.    Did not know you were on this List.
>> >
>> > 2.    It is for Rhodes 22 owners, not O'Day 23 owners so
>> >
>> > 3,    Sorry, you are not eligible and
>> >
>> > 4.    Stop pulling rank.  (remember what I taught you: age before
>> beauty.)
>> >
>> >> On 10/31/19 10:01 AM, Cindy Spitzer wrote:
>> >> Clever.
>> >> See my editing suggestions below, in CAPITAL LETTERS.
>> >> Adding a few words makes it easier to understand.  Use what you want
>> and
>> >> delete the rest.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 8:05 AM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Part one and a half (a GB extra)
>> >>>
>> >>> I AM RUNNING a contest for all those who either purchased their Rhodes
>> >>> from
>> >>> General Boats OR are enlisted in the Certificate of Support community:
>> >>>
>> >>> First prize (there are no second or third prizes) GOES TO WHOEVER
>> POSTS
>> >>> the longest list of advantages OF having your Rhodes remain a boat in
>> production:  A $100 credit TOWARD THE PIRCHASE OF one of the following new
>> RHODES options:
>> > FIBERglass Tiller
>> > Continuous Control Line, Cleatless Traveler
>> > Hard Clew Connected Outhaul Car
>> > OR
>> > Self Tending Jib (new for 2020)
>> >>> In case of ties, ties will be awarded.  (could not resist that old
>> Henry
>> >>> Morgan line).  Actually, all ties for the longest list, posted in the
>> >>> next 24 hours, will be winners.
>> >>>
>> >>> TO HELP GET YOU STARTED, here is one "advantage" listing for free:
>> >>>
>> >>> 1.    HAVING YOUR RHODES REMAIN A BOAT IN PRODUCTION provides an
>> ongoing source for proprietary parts OR parts that match existing holes on
>> your boat.
>> >>>
>> >>> 2. . . .  (start thinking)
>> >>>
>> >>> good luck
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>

From stan at generalboats.com  Thu Oct 31 19:49:51 2019
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 19:49:51 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] gb policy change (continued)
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMNkqrOCg4ECNaWJr-iweK+TnDByvh+3WgPX+w8Gr_hi1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <93f36a0f-27ff-7553-d276-55883cc6d209@generalboats.com>
 <7B8DB2A8-2AFA-4887-A581-DD31CEC59F87@gmail.com>
 <CAB-twMPi1oC1xyi8BDye3zhtVTH8NVy7Zu=hDNG0j59rwbt06Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAB-twMNkqrOCg4ECNaWJr-iweK+TnDByvh+3WgPX+w8Gr_hi1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12afb556-663b-9a9c-2fe5-230e681bf453@generalboats.com>


Todd, it is worth it to me to use the last $31.50 of my pro bono account 
to put you in the C of S community.? It is now so recorded.? 
Congratulations.? Case and pro bono account now officially closed.

stan

On 10/31/19 6:08 PM, Todd Tavares wrote:
> If not, can I still send you the $31.50? (10% of my FIRST R22 purchase
> price) I bought it at an auction.
>
> Todd T.
>
> tavares0947 at gmail.com
>
>


From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com  Thu Oct 31 20:17:57 2019
From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 20:17:57 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] gb policy change (continued)
In-Reply-To: <93f36a0f-27ff-7553-d276-55883cc6d209@generalboats.com>
References: <93f36a0f-27ff-7553-d276-55883cc6d209@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <D0D5EEE1-CB17-48FC-AD95-233B79287A97@gmail.com>

How much is the self tending Jib?

Bob (palatka)

> On Oct 31, 2019, at 1:10 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> To:  An over the hill writer ("America's Bubble Economy", "Aftershock" and something to do with sex which, incidentally, did not work.)
> 
> 1.    Did not know you were on this List.
> 
> 2.    It is for Rhodes 22 owners, not O'Day 23 owners so
> 
> 3,    Sorry, you are not eligible and
> 
> 4.    Stop pulling rank.  (remember what I taught you: age before beauty.)
> 
>> On 10/31/19 10:01 AM, Cindy Spitzer wrote:
>> Clever.
>> See my editing suggestions below, in CAPITAL LETTERS.
>> Adding a few words makes it easier to understand.  Use what you want and
>> delete the rest.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 8:05 AM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Part one and a half (a GB extra)
>>> 
>>> I AM RUNNING a contest for all those who either purchased their Rhodes
>>> from
>>> General Boats OR are enlisted in the Certificate of Support community:
>>> 
>>> First prize (there are no second or third prizes) GOES TO WHOEVER POSTS
>>> the longest list of advantages OF having your Rhodes remain a boat in production:  A $100 credit TOWARD THE PIRCHASE OF one of the following new RHODES options:
> FIBERglass Tiller
> Continuous Control Line, Cleatless Traveler
> Hard Clew Connected Outhaul Car
> OR
> Self Tending Jib (new for 2020)
>>> In case of ties, ties will be awarded.  (could not resist that old Henry
>>> Morgan line).  Actually, all ties for the longest list, posted in the
>>> next 24 hours, will be winners.
>>> 
>>> TO HELP GET YOU STARTED, here is one "advantage" listing for free:
>>> 
>>> 1.    HAVING YOUR RHODES REMAIN A BOAT IN PRODUCTION provides an ongoing source for proprietary parts OR parts that match existing holes on your boat.
>>> 
>>> 2. . . .  (start thinking)
>>> 
>>> good luck
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 

From stan at generalboats.com  Thu Oct 31 20:37:49 2019
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 20:37:49 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] gb policy change (continued)
In-Reply-To: <D0D5EEE1-CB17-48FC-AD95-233B79287A97@gmail.com>
References: <93f36a0f-27ff-7553-d276-55883cc6d209@generalboats.com>
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Message-ID: <299e60cf-aa67-6ecd-9c30-e86bcc034bcf@generalboats.com>


We have set a price of 1,095 for sail, related hardware and lines for 
2019 ordering.? That will undoubtedly go up as we see how much we are 
subsidizing each order.? Like everything GB, it is returnable after 
seeing it.

On 10/31/19 8:17 PM, Goodness wrote:
> How much is the self tending Jib?
>
> Bob (palatka)
>
>> On Oct 31, 2019, at 1:10 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> To:  An over the hill writer ("America's Bubble Economy", "Aftershock" and something to do with sex which, incidentally, did not work.)
>>
>> 1.    Did not know you were on this List.
>>
>> 2.    It is for Rhodes 22 owners, not O'Day 23 owners so
>>
>> 3,    Sorry, you are not eligible and
>>
>> 4.    Stop pulling rank.  (remember what I taught you: age before beauty.)
>>
>>> On 10/31/19 10:01 AM, Cindy Spitzer wrote:
>>> Clever.
>>> See my editing suggestions below, in CAPITAL LETTERS.
>>> Adding a few words makes it easier to understand.  Use what you want and
>>> delete the rest.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 8:05 AM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Part one and a half (a GB extra)
>>>>
>>>> I AM RUNNING a contest for all those who either purchased their Rhodes
>>>> from
>>>> General Boats OR are enlisted in the Certificate of Support community:
>>>>
>>>> First prize (there are no second or third prizes) GOES TO WHOEVER POSTS
>>>> the longest list of advantages OF having your Rhodes remain a boat in production:  A $100 credit TOWARD THE PIRCHASE OF one of the following new RHODES options:
>> FIBERglass Tiller
>> Continuous Control Line, Cleatless Traveler
>> Hard Clew Connected Outhaul Car
>> OR
>> Self Tending Jib (new for 2020)
>>>> In case of ties, ties will be awarded.  (could not resist that old Henry
>>>> Morgan line).  Actually, all ties for the longest list, posted in the
>>>> next 24 hours, will be winners.
>>>>
>>>> TO HELP GET YOU STARTED, here is one "advantage" listing for free:
>>>>
>>>> 1.    HAVING YOUR RHODES REMAIN A BOAT IN PRODUCTION provides an ongoing source for proprietary parts OR parts that match existing holes on your boat.
>>>>
>>>> 2. . . .  (start thinking)
>>>>
>>>> good luck
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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