From wjf at me.com Mon Sep 2 10:16:17 2019 From: wjf at me.com (wjf at me.com) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2019 10:16:17 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 2007 Rhodes 22 for sale Message-ID: <4CB33098-2BCD-449F-8471-BBA2A7757BC8@me.com> We are planning to sell our 2007 Rhodes 22 and are gathering/preparing detailed information for posting and email distribution. We are the second owners. We responded to the attached advertisement when we bought boat 3 years ago. This provides basic information. We have added mast-raising system (winch set-up and crutch), new upholstery for cockpit cushions and captain seats, canvas covers and gps. Boat also has pop-top canvas rain/mosquito enclosure and table for interior or cockpit. Boat is moored in Boothbay Harbor, Maine. Have also included more recent photos of boat both in water and out in Maine. Price for boat and trailer is $20,000. 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Hopeful wishes for our coastal Rhoadies - now we can celebrate R22 portability, Art Czerwonkys/v Mary JaneLake Hartwell Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From stan at generalboats.com Mon Sep 2 19:30:45 2019 From: stan at generalboats.com (stan) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2019 19:30:45 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hurricane Dorian and support/assist for Stan In-Reply-To: <2012855485.829275.1567440550974@mail.yahoo.com> References: <452219996.332051.1567103759799@mail.yahoo.com> <1567303598537-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <2012855485.829275.1567440550974@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <101d49a3-c276-35e6-55db-b64b9605c504@generalboats.com> Art, thanks for the concern but there is a sign just outside of Edenton that says, "DON'T YOU DARE".? And so far, in my native 33 years here, it has been honored. I am waiting for Route 17 to be completed as the promised new I-87 before I leave.? But what the hell, then you all can come here to hold the fort. stan On 9/2/19 12:09 PM, Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list wrote: > Is there any effort available to help Stan with his needs related to storm preps?? ?Hopefully he will relocate to B'more with his daughter for his personal safety.? Hopeful wishes for our coastal Rhoadies - now we can celebrate R22 portability, > Art Czerwonkys/v Mary JaneLake Hartwell > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > > > > From bobfcohen at gmail.com Mon Sep 2 21:19:49 2019 From: bobfcohen at gmail.com (bobfcohen at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2019 21:19:49 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 2007 Rhodes 22 for sale In-Reply-To: <4CB33098-2BCD-449F-8471-BBA2A7757BC8@me.com> References: <4CB33098-2BCD-449F-8471-BBA2A7757BC8@me.com> Message-ID: <001b01d561f5$ae88a450$0b99ecf0$@gmail.com> Hello Bill - I am very interested in purchasing your boat. Please send available additional information. Thank you. Bob Cohen -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Bill via Rhodes22-list Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 10:16 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 2007 Rhodes 22 for sale We are planning to sell our 2007 Rhodes 22 and are gathering/preparing detailed information for posting and email distribution. We are the second owners. We responded to the attached advertisement when we bought boat 3 years ago. This provides basic information. We have added mast-raising system (winch set-up and crutch), new upholstery for cockpit cushions and captain seats, canvas covers and gps. Boat also has pop-top canvas rain/mosquito enclosure and table for interior or cockpit. Boat is moored in Boothbay Harbor, Maine. Have also included more recent photos of boat both in water and out in Maine. Price for boat and trailer is $20,000. 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Thank you. Bob Cohen -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Bill via Rhodes22-list Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 10:16 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 2007 Rhodes 22 for sale We are planning to sell our 2007 Rhodes 22 and are gathering/preparing detailed information for posting and email distribution. We are the second owners. We responded to the attached advertisement when we bought boat 3 years ago. This provides basic information. We have added mast-raising system (winch set-up and crutch), new upholstery for cockpit cushions and captain seats, canvas covers and gps. Boat also has pop-top canvas rain/mosquito enclosure and table for interior or cockpit. Boat is moored in Boothbay Harbor, Maine. Have also included more recent photos of boat both in water and out in Maine. Price for boat and trailer is $20,000. 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Mark West ps Fairwind II is on trailer pulled her for storm. -----Original Message----- From: stan To: Art Czerwonky ; The Rhodes 22 Email List Sent: Mon, Sep 2, 2019 7:30 pm Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hurricane Dorian and support/assist for Stan Art, thanks for the concern but there is a sign just outside of Edenton that says, "DON'T YOU DARE".? And so far, in my native 33 years here, it has been honored. I am waiting for Route 17 to be completed as the promised new I-87 before I leave.? But what the hell, then you all can come here to hold the fort. stan On 9/2/19 12:09 PM, Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list wrote: > Is there any effort available to help Stan with his needs related to storm preps?? ?Hopefully he will relocate to B'more with his daughter for his personal safety.? Hopeful wishes for our coastal Rhoadies - now we can celebrate R22 portability, > Art Czerwonkys/v Mary JaneLake Hartwell > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >? >? ? > >? ? > > From keywestseccorp at verizon.net Tue Sep 3 10:40:53 2019 From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 14:40:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] mast noise In-Reply-To: <1567303598537-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <452219996.332051.1567103759799@mail.yahoo.com> <1567303598537-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <924881630.1067852.1567521653370@mail.yahoo.com> yes it? is a good idea ill try it thanks Mark -----Original Message----- From: S/V Lark To: rhodes22-list Sent: Sat, Aug 31, 2019 10:02 pm Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] mast noise Richard, Brilliant solution. Alex ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com Tue Sep 3 16:12:00 2019 From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 13:12:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor tiller link Geometry Message-ID: <1567541520934-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I?m still very new to the list and haven?t been able to find the answer to my question looking through previous posts and photos. As I have posted previously, I recently purchased a 1986 / 2010 R22. Other than the 2 hours I sailed with the owner the day I bought her, that is the extent of my sailing experience. At one time this boat had the tiller/motor link, but with a different motor than the one which is now installed. The holes for the link horn are present on the tiller and I have the white plastic pieces which make up the link. But, there is no pin on top of the motor cowl. Taking the boat to General Boats to have this custom done is not an option. I?ve held the link up to the tiller and motor and can?t seem to find the correct geometry to make it work. In my mind, for the link to work (moving the tiller and motor the same number of degrees) the distance between the pivot points of the tiller and the motor seems to be the critical dimension. The length of the connector seems it must be equal in length to the distance between those pivot points. The attachment points of the connector on the motor/tiller seems they must be an equal distance out from their respective pivot points. On the mercury 9.9 the max distance I can come from the pivot point is about 11?, thus the distance out from the pivot point on the tiller must be 11?....not very far. The link I have would have the connector attach much farther out than 11? on the tiller. I?m not sure how it worked on the boat?s previous motor? So my question is....does the link move the tiller and motor in unison the same number number of degrees? Thanks for any insight on how to make this work, George Morgan -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From mweisner at ebsmed.com Tue Sep 3 17:07:25 2019 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (mweisner at ebsmed.com) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 17:07:25 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor tiller link Geometry In-Reply-To: <1567541520934-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1567541520934-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <00e701d5629b$96c08530$c4418f90$@ebsmed.com> I quickly looked through the archives using google.com, searching for "site:rhodes22.org tiller" and found a series of emails with a picture at http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2016-July/080109.html (link to photo attached at bottom of this email) Additional conversations were spotted at http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2011-June/068619.html http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2012-May/071043.html We're here to help, and occasionally go sailing. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Gmorganflier Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 4:12 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor tiller link Geometry I?m still very new to the list and haven?t been able to find the answer to my question looking through previous posts and photos. {clip} -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Motor-Tiller link DSCN3487.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 9612 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lastmango68 at gmail.com Tue Sep 3 17:18:19 2019 From: lastmango68 at gmail.com (Lance Horne) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 17:18:19 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor tiller link Geometry In-Reply-To: <00e701d5629b$96c08530$c4418f90$@ebsmed.com> References: <1567541520934-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <00e701d5629b$96c08530$c4418f90$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Good luck on this. Had my motor stolen together with tiller connection. I have adapted to not having it although at times a little hassle. Best wishes and fair sailing. Last Mango Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 3, 2019, at 17:07, wrote: > > I quickly looked through the archives using google.com, searching for "site:rhodes22.org tiller" and found a series of emails with a picture at http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2016-July/080109.html > (link to photo attached at bottom of this email) > > Additional conversations were spotted at > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2011-June/068619.html > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2012-May/071043.html > > We're here to help, and occasionally go sailing. > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Gmorganflier > Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 4:12 PM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor tiller link Geometry > > I?m still very new to the list and haven?t been able to find the answer to my question looking through previous posts and photos. > > {clip} > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Motor-Tiller link DSCN3487.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 9612 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: From a_czerwonky at yahoo.com Tue Sep 3 18:47:43 2019 From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 22:47:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor tiller link Geometry In-Reply-To: <1567541520934-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1567541520934-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1402665709.1246516.1567550863879@mail.yahoo.com> George, It looks like you have the geometry down fine. Your challenge is to find an attachment point at the motor and a compatable fixture for that point of attachment.? Placing a fixture for the rudder and an arm between the aft rudder and the motor fixture will be much easier.? You want the alignment of rudder and motor drive about the same, but no need to be exact. Best,Art Czerwonkys/v MaryJane Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 4:07 PM, Gmorganflier wrote: I?m still very new to the list and haven?t been able to find the answer to my question looking through previous posts and photos. As I have posted previously, I recently purchased a 1986 / 2010 R22. Other than the 2 hours I sailed with the owner the day I bought her, that is the extent of my sailing experience. At one time this boat had the tiller/motor link, but with a different motor than the one which is now installed. The holes for the link horn are present on the tiller and I have the white plastic pieces which make up the link. But, there is no pin on top of the motor cowl. Taking the boat to General Boats to have this custom done is not an option. I?ve held the link up to the tiller and motor and can?t seem to find the correct geometry to make it work. In my mind, for the link to work (moving the tiller and motor the same number of degrees) the distance between the pivot points of the tiller and the motor seems to be the critical dimension. The length of the connector seems it must be equal in length to the distance between those pivot points. The attachment points of the connector on the motor/tiller seems they must be an equal distance out from their respective pivot points. On the mercury 9.9 the max distance I can come from the pivot point is about 11?, thus the distance out from the pivot point on the tiller must be 11?....not very far. The link I have would have the connector attach much farther out than 11? on the tiller. I?m not sure how it worked on the? boat?s previous motor? So my question is....does the link move the tiller and motor in unison the same number number of degrees? Thanks for any insight on how to make this work, George Morgan -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From stan at generalboats.com Tue Sep 3 19:02:06 2019 From: stan at generalboats.com (stan) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 19:02:06 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor tiller link Geometry In-Reply-To: <1567541520934-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1567541520934-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <3434a823-f53b-d9bc-605d-297604085639@generalboats.com> the number of variables is infinite and their combinations keep changing from folks who make the boat, how the rudder is mounted on the boat and even any variations of the rudder head itself; all the way over to the motor itself which mfgs. change at a much faster rate than any boat builder (we did not mention any variations in the motor bracket) so we have not shot for perfection (after all it is a sailboat and motors are just incidental) and only tackle this option in the plant to mostly get it to work right in reverse, which is its big number.? With all its faults it still seems to be better than nothing even without the perfect alignment of the figures.? You just have to remember to have your sailboat rudder blade fully lowered less you damage the motor's prop. stan On 9/3/19 4:12 PM, Gmorganflier wrote: > I?m still very new to the list and haven?t been able to find the answer to my > question looking through previous posts and photos. > > As I have posted previously, I recently purchased a 1986 / 2010 R22. Other > than the 2 hours I sailed with the owner the day I bought her, that is the > extent of my sailing experience. > > At one time this boat had the tiller/motor link, but with a different motor > than the one which is now installed. The holes for the link horn are present > on the tiller and I have the white plastic pieces which make up the link. > But, there is no pin on top of the motor cowl. Taking the boat to General > Boats to have this custom done is not an option. > > I?ve held the link up to the tiller and motor and can?t seem to find the > correct geometry to make it work. > In my mind, for the link to work (moving the tiller and motor the same > number of degrees) the distance between the pivot points of the tiller and > the motor seems to be the critical dimension. > > The length of the connector seems it must be equal in length to the distance > between those pivot points. The attachment points of the connector on the > motor/tiller seems they must be an equal distance out from their respective > pivot points. > > On the mercury 9.9 the max distance I can come from the pivot point is about > 11?, thus the distance out from the pivot point on the tiller must be > 11?....not very far. > > The link I have would have the connector attach much farther out than 11? on > the tiller. I?m not sure how it worked on the boat?s previous motor? > > So my question is....does the link move the tiller and motor in unison the > same number number of degrees? > > Thanks for any insight on how to make this work, > George Morgan > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > From lpagliaro at me.com Thu Sep 5 12:29:53 2019 From: lpagliaro at me.com (Lynn Pagliaro) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 12:29:53 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Using fore and aft lifting eyes Message-ID: <8D051D53-C896-457D-8E0B-25406FA455C3@me.com> What is needed to attach Rhodes 3 Lifting eyes to a single cable jib hoist without damaging hull? Lynn Lynn Pagliaro lpagliaro at me.com 843-209-8247 From a_czerwonky at yahoo.com Thu Sep 5 20:20:01 2019 From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2019 00:20:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hurricane Dorian and support/assist for Stan In-Reply-To: <258258879.1054959.1567516848803@mail.yahoo.com> References: <452219996.332051.1567103759799@mail.yahoo.com> <1567303598537-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <2012855485.829275.1567440550974@mail.yahoo.com> <101d49a3-c276-35e6-55db-b64b9605c504@generalboats.com> <258258879.1054959.1567516848803@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1002077314.1989777.1567729201698@mail.yahoo.com> Mark, Is Stan going to ride this out at the plant?? It would not surprise me, although one of the boats could take wing.? Probably be good to be in phone contact with him,? this storm is still a beast, although he would never admit it.?? Gotta take care of the Man ! Best,Art Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 9:21 AM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list wrote: Stan Ill be at Snug harbor If you need me just call 10min away ill come . will come over and? check in with you if you wish to weather out at our house let me know will? come pick you up? Mark West ps Fairwind II is on trailer pulled her for storm. -----Original Message----- From: stan To: Art Czerwonky ; The Rhodes 22 Email List Sent: Mon, Sep 2, 2019 7:30 pm Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hurricane Dorian and support/assist for Stan Art, thanks for the concern but there is a sign just outside of Edenton that says, "DON'T YOU DARE".? And so far, in my native 33 years here, it has been honored. I am waiting for Route 17 to be completed as the promised new I-87 before I leave.? But what the hell, then you all can come here to hold the fort. stan On 9/2/19 12:09 PM, Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list wrote: > Is there any effort available to help Stan with his needs related to storm preps?? ?Hopefully he will relocate to B'more with his daughter for his personal safety.? Hopeful wishes for our coastal Rhoadies - now we can celebrate R22 portability, > Art Czerwonkys/v Mary JaneLake Hartwell > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >? >? ? > >? ? > > From a_czerwonky at yahoo.com Thu Sep 5 20:20:01 2019 From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2019 00:20:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hurricane Dorian and support/assist for Stan In-Reply-To: <258258879.1054959.1567516848803@mail.yahoo.com> References: <452219996.332051.1567103759799@mail.yahoo.com> <1567303598537-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <2012855485.829275.1567440550974@mail.yahoo.com> <101d49a3-c276-35e6-55db-b64b9605c504@generalboats.com> <258258879.1054959.1567516848803@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1002077314.1989777.1567729201698@mail.yahoo.com> Mark, Is Stan going to ride this out at the plant?? It would not surprise me, although one of the boats could take wing.? Probably be good to be in phone contact with him,? this storm is still a beast, although he would never admit it.?? Gotta take care of the Man ! Best,Art Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 9:21 AM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list wrote: Stan Ill be at Snug harbor If you need me just call 10min away ill come . will come over and? check in with you if you wish to weather out at our house let me know will? come pick you up? Mark West ps Fairwind II is on trailer pulled her for storm. -----Original Message----- From: stan To: Art Czerwonky ; The Rhodes 22 Email List Sent: Mon, Sep 2, 2019 7:30 pm Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hurricane Dorian and support/assist for Stan Art, thanks for the concern but there is a sign just outside of Edenton that says, "DON'T YOU DARE".? And so far, in my native 33 years here, it has been honored. I am waiting for Route 17 to be completed as the promised new I-87 before I leave.? But what the hell, then you all can come here to hold the fort. stan On 9/2/19 12:09 PM, Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list wrote: > Is there any effort available to help Stan with his needs related to storm preps?? ?Hopefully he will relocate to B'more with his daughter for his personal safety.? Hopeful wishes for our coastal Rhoadies - now we can celebrate R22 portability, > Art Czerwonkys/v Mary JaneLake Hartwell > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >? >? ? > >? ? > > From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com Fri Sep 6 15:38:27 2019 From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2019 12:38:27 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor tiller link Geometry In-Reply-To: <3434a823-f53b-d9bc-605d-297604085639@generalboats.com> References: <1567541520934-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <3434a823-f53b-d9bc-605d-297604085639@generalboats.com> Message-ID: <1567798707384-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Thanks to everyone who responded. I just brought the boat home from the boatyard for a few days to to a few things to her before raising the mast hopefully later this week. I plan to attach the tiller/motor link I have as part of the to do list. George -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com Fri Sep 6 21:37:06 2019 From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2019 18:37:06 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Advice on Rotted Tiller Message-ID: <1567820226014-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Hello, I?m getting my R22 ready for my sailing buddy to help me launch and learn the basics of sailing and I discovered today the tiller has rotten wood where the bolt goes through. (Photo attached) Does anyone know where I could can quickly find a replacement? I would order the new fiberglass one from Stan, but I fear there would be some delay in getting it. Does anyone have an extra one for sale or know of an aftermarket one which would work on our boat? Looking at the photo, is this tiller repairable? Maybe at least as a spare? Thanks, George (still a newbie to sailing and the list) 6A1DDCCE-3C0D-437D-979E-62349F2CAC35.jpeg -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From eandsmoore at hughes.net Fri Sep 6 21:46:52 2019 From: eandsmoore at hughes.net (Ellyn and Sam Moore) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2019 21:46:52 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Advice on Rotted Tiller In-Reply-To: <1567820226014-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1567820226014-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Welcome to sailboat ownership. Looks like a bunch of broken wood. You need a tiller. Sam Moore 77 Rhodes Continental > On Sep 6, 2019, at 9:37 PM, Gmorganflier wrote: > > Hello, > > I?m getting my R22 ready for my sailing buddy to help me launch and learn > the basics of sailing and I discovered today the tiller has rotten wood > where the bolt goes through. (Photo attached) > > Does anyone know where I could can quickly find a replacement? I would order > the new fiberglass one from Stan, but I fear there would be some delay in > getting it. Does anyone have an extra one for sale or know of an aftermarket > one which would work on our boat? > > Looking at the photo, is this tiller repairable? Maybe at least as a spare? > > Thanks, > George (still a newbie to sailing and the list) > > 6A1DDCCE-3C0D-437D-979E-62349F2CAC35.jpeg > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From snstaum at gmail.com Fri Sep 6 22:01:46 2019 From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2019 22:01:46 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Advice on Rotted Tiller In-Reply-To: <1567820226014-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1567820226014-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: I got a new one a few years back from Defender in CT. It was a little longer than the original so I cut off 3-4". Tiller was in stock and cost only about $80. *Stephen Staum* *s/v Carol Lee 2* *Needham, MA* On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 9:32 PM Gmorganflier wrote: > Hello, > > I?m getting my R22 ready for my sailing buddy to help me launch and learn > the basics of sailing and I discovered today the tiller has rotten wood > where the bolt goes through. (Photo attached) > > Does anyone know where I could can quickly find a replacement? I would > order > the new fiberglass one from Stan, but I fear there would be some delay in > getting it. Does anyone have an extra one for sale or know of an > aftermarket > one which would work on our boat? > > Looking at the photo, is this tiller repairable? Maybe at least as a spare? > > Thanks, > George (still a newbie to sailing and the list) > > 6A1DDCCE-3C0D-437D-979E-62349F2CAC35.jpeg > < > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/6A1DDCCE-3C0D-437D-979E-62349F2CAC35.jpeg> > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From 4cgabriel at gmail.com Fri Sep 6 22:07:50 2019 From: 4cgabriel at gmail.com (C Gabriel) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2019 22:07:50 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hurricane Dorian General Boats Update Message-ID: Hi Rhodes Folks, I would be worried if I didn't know how Stan and General Boats managed through the storm so I wanted to share the good news with you. General Boats and our own General Spitzer are just fine, with no damage to either. Many in NC struggle with power outages and roads over washed from storm surges, but nothing like the catastrophic damage in the Bahamas. Stan asked me to say that in his 33 plus years in NC, Edenton remains a charming little town, sans floods, tornadoes, and earthquakes. And, this wouldn?t be an email from Stan without an anecdote so he provides this: ?When the news is telling how bad it is in this area they are talking about the rivers, not the Sound. I went to visit one Rhodes owner who lived up the Chowan River. I found their house mostly under water and they were so glad to have their Rhodes at their floating dock to live on 'til the river levels returned to normal. I remember standing on the balcony admiring my Rhodes when I got a call from a Northern concerned family member who heard on TV I was drowning. I told them I do have to admit there is enough wind to tempt me to go for a sail. ? Happy sailing and see you in Annapolis soon. Cecilia G S/V Fairlady From hnw555 at gmail.com Sat Sep 7 00:44:55 2019 From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2019 00:44:55 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Advice on Rotted Tiller In-Reply-To: <1567820226014-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1567820226014-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: West Marine often times has them in stock if you have a store near you. On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 9:32 PM Gmorganflier wrote: > Hello, > > I?m getting my R22 ready for my sailing buddy to help me launch and learn > the basics of sailing and I discovered today the tiller has rotten wood > where the bolt goes through. (Photo attached) > > Does anyone know where I could can quickly find a replacement? I would > order > the new fiberglass one from Stan, but I fear there would be some delay in > getting it. Does anyone have an extra one for sale or know of an > aftermarket > one which would work on our boat? > > Looking at the photo, is this tiller repairable? Maybe at least as a spare? > > Thanks, > George (still a newbie to sailing and the list) > > 6A1DDCCE-3C0D-437D-979E-62349F2CAC35.jpeg > < > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/6A1DDCCE-3C0D-437D-979E-62349F2CAC35.jpeg> > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From rbeytagh at gmail.com Sat Sep 7 09:04:24 2019 From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (Richard Beytagh) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2019 09:04:24 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Advice on Rotted Tiller In-Reply-To: References: <1567820226014-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: A wooden tiller is a thing of beauty. If you don't mind it being a little shorter, I would cut away the rotten part, pry the layers apart and re-glue. Some touch-up varnish and voila! ~~~ _/) ~~~ Richard Beytagh Phone: 828 337 0180 Virus-free. www.avg.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 12:45 AM Hank wrote: > West Marine often times has them in stock if you have a store near you. > > On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 9:32 PM Gmorganflier > wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I?m getting my R22 ready for my sailing buddy to help me launch and learn > > the basics of sailing and I discovered today the tiller has rotten wood > > where the bolt goes through. (Photo attached) > > > > Does anyone know where I could can quickly find a replacement? I would > > order > > the new fiberglass one from Stan, but I fear there would be some delay in > > getting it. Does anyone have an extra one for sale or know of an > > aftermarket > > one which would work on our boat? > > > > Looking at the photo, is this tiller repairable? Maybe at least as a > spare? > > > > Thanks, > > George (still a newbie to sailing and the list) > > > > 6A1DDCCE-3C0D-437D-979E-62349F2CAC35.jpeg > > < > > > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/6A1DDCCE-3C0D-437D-979E-62349F2CAC35.jpeg > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Sat Sep 7 09:10:37 2019 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Mike Weisner) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2019 09:10:37 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Advice on Rotted Tiller In-Reply-To: <1567820226014-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1567820226014-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Check out West Marine: https://www.westmarine.com/buy/rudder-craft--laminated-replacement-tillers--P002_074_001_509?recordNum=13 or, Defender: https://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1%7C2331321%7C2331343%7C2331344&id=2438438 Mike s/v Wind Lass ?91 From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com Sat Sep 7 10:57:22 2019 From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2019 07:57:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Advice on Rotted Tiller In-Reply-To: References: <1567820226014-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1567868242212-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Good news...Stan got right back to me and he has a fiberglass one in stock which he?s sending me. Hopefully, in the water soon. Time to learn how to sail! George -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From boendert at me.com Sat Sep 7 11:46:50 2019 From: boendert at me.com (Theodore Boender) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2019 11:46:50 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Advice on Rotted Tiller In-Reply-To: <1567868242212-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1567820226014-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1567868242212-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: You will love the fiberglass version. Cheers, Ted > On Sep 7, 2019, at 10:57 AM, Gmorganflier wrote: > > Good news...Stan got right back to me and he has a fiberglass one in stock > which he?s sending me. > > Hopefully, in the water soon. Time to learn how to sail! > > George > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From lsr3 at nyu.edu Sat Sep 7 12:24:55 2019 From: lsr3 at nyu.edu (Lou Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2019 09:24:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hurricane Dorian General Boats Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1567873495561-0.post@n5.nabble.com> HEY STAN, all those at GB also: Although I sold my R22 in 17 I continue to read the list and appreciate the great amount of sailing knowledge and humor shared on DaList. Great to hear you are okay and the factory is intact. I miss my MIRACLES but hope I restored it so someone else can benefit from an old boat. Safe Sails everyone! Lou Rosenberg (former owner of project boat "MiRACLES" -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Sat Sep 7 13:21:26 2019 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2019 13:21:26 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hurricane Dorian General Boats Update In-Reply-To: <1567873495561-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1567873495561-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <065701d565a0$ae154560$0a3fd020$@ca> Lou: Nice to know that you are still lurking on the list. "Miracles" was a great boat name for an R22. I hope the new owner kept it. Graham Graham Stewart Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Lou Rosenberg Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2019 12:25 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hurricane Dorian General Boats Update HEY STAN, all those at GB also: Although I sold my R22 in 17 I continue to read the list and appreciate the great amount of sailing knowledge and humor shared on DaList. Great to hear you are okay and the factory is intact. I miss my MIRACLES but hope I restored it so someone else can benefit from an old boat. Safe Sails everyone! Lou Rosenberg (former owner of project boat "MiRACLES" -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com Sat Sep 7 21:59:05 2019 From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2019 21:59:05 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Advice on Rotted Tiller In-Reply-To: References: <1567820226014-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1567868242212-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <7CBEC0D6-19F3-4D2F-9E88-E7C2D77BD7BC@gmail.com> You Cant fix that rotten pile of wood. I would Order one from Stan and in the mean time go get a wheelbarrow handle from your hardware store as the energency tiller. Bob (Palatka) > On Sep 7, 2019, at 11:46 AM, Theodore Boender via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > You will love the fiberglass version. > > Cheers, > Ted > > > >> On Sep 7, 2019, at 10:57 AM, Gmorganflier wrote: >> >> Good news...Stan got right back to me and he has a fiberglass one in stock >> which he?s sending me. >> >> Hopefully, in the water soon. Time to learn how to sail! >> >> George >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Sun Sep 8 00:11:43 2019 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2019 23:11:43 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Advice on Rotted Tiller In-Reply-To: <1567820226014-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1567820226014-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Quick and dirty but it works, is a replacement handle for a wheelbarrow. Might need to shorten it a bit. Look for the ones that are all hardwood, I've found bulletproof hardwood, with great grain and the cost is minimal, often under $20. Good Luck And enjoy the sail. Chris Geankoplis On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 8:32 PM Gmorganflier wrote: > Hello, > > I?m getting my R22 ready for my sailing buddy to help me launch and learn > the basics of sailing and I discovered today the tiller has rotten wood > where the bolt goes through. (Photo attached) > > Does anyone know where I could can quickly find a replacement? I would > order > the new fiberglass one from Stan, but I fear there would be some delay in > getting it. Does anyone have an extra one for sale or know of an > aftermarket > one which would work on our boat? > > Looking at the photo, is this tiller repairable? Maybe at least as a spare? > > Thanks, > George (still a newbie to sailing and the list) > > 6A1DDCCE-3C0D-437D-979E-62349F2CAC35.jpeg > < > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/6A1DDCCE-3C0D-437D-979E-62349F2CAC35.jpeg> > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com Sun Sep 8 05:34:32 2019 From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2019 02:34:32 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Advice on Rotted Tiller In-Reply-To: References: <1567820226014-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1567935272432-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Thanks to everyone for responding to my rotten tiller post. Great idea obout using a wheel barrel handle if unable to find a real tiller. Also, I like the idea of cutting the rotten part off mine and just having a shorter tiller. I plan to do that and keep it as a backup to my my new fiberglass tiller. George -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From gramille at tds.net Mon Sep 9 09:33:21 2019 From: gramille at tds.net (gramille) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2019 06:33:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] solar charge In-Reply-To: <1567301165772-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1567301165772-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1568036001385-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Thanks Alex, I will get a couple of voltage regulators and install them. Should I keep the switch in the front battery compartment on ALL? G -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From Colealexander at hotmail.com Mon Sep 9 22:38:18 2019 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2019 19:38:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] solar charge In-Reply-To: <1568036001385-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1567301165772-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568036001385-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1568083098737-0.post@n5.nabble.com> It shouldn?t matter how your switch is set, the two panels will continue to trickle their respective batteries. For use you can keep one battery in reserve, especially if you depend on electric start or will need nav lights. My 6hp Tohatsu?s generator cannot quite keep up with a single LED interior light so it would not be enough to operate navigation lights if I ran the batteries flat. I also plan on topping off the batteries and disconnecting the controllers during winter layup. They have a tiny draw and the boat will be barn stored in complete darkness for 20 cold weeks. Alex ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From Colealexander at hotmail.com Mon Sep 9 23:15:17 2019 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2019 20:15:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] solar charge In-Reply-To: <1568083098737-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1567301165772-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568036001385-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568083098737-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1568085317148-0.post@n5.nabble.com> This sketch was posted this spring, I forget who to credit. The LARK is a bit simpler, without a macerator or autopilot, and using a block and tackle for the motor mount. My only navigation equipment is an IPad and compass, so the USB port on the controller can charge my GPS. I did run a bilge pump and fuse off the forward battery. The manual on wire is hooked to an alligator clip that can reach the battery from the bilge, on the theory simplicity is proportional to reliability on a bad day. Of course I have a redundant hand pump as well, and a hose that can reach the centerboard pennant hole with the pump in the bilge access. I like back up plans, so like you I made sure I knew how the boat was wired. When the switch is turned off between use the bilge pump float switch works, the solar panels still top off the batteries, and for reasons only known by Stan, the galley sink still runs. Alex ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From gramille at tds.net Wed Sep 11 11:01:27 2019 From: gramille at tds.net (gramille) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 08:01:27 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] solar charge In-Reply-To: <1568085317148-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1567301165772-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568036001385-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568083098737-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568085317148-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1568214087120-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Thanks Alex, One more question. Do you only disconnect the batteries for winter or remove them from the boat and store in above freezing temperatures? I used to do this on my Suncat but the battery was really heavy and I would love not to have to move two of them? -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From rca02536 at gmail.com Wed Sep 11 11:29:56 2019 From: rca02536 at gmail.com (Robert Allen) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 11:29:56 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sail removal Message-ID: <7CDE266C-A79F-48FF-9153-F04623434484@gmail.com> Hi all, Well, Summer is almost over and time for securing the boat is almost upon me. Need to remove the sails for some repair and cleaning. Been reviewing the archives regarding sail removal, and still have a couple of questions for those who have done it. Mainsail: it appears that after disconnecting the boom, the IMF assembly simply pulls out of the mast. How is the sail removed from the furling tube? (I know it may be obvious once I have the sail out, but i?m not to that point yet). any instructions/pointers/hints/etc, is much appreciated. along with tips for reinstalling the IMF assembly. Headsail: I have the GB furling system and will probably be replacing it with CDI, so I suppose it doesn?t matter what I do with the jib halyard attached to the GB furling tube. With that in mind, any info on headsail removal and CDI installation would also be appreciated. If you?re coming to annapolis for the boat show, we can discuss both procedures, Thanks all, Bob Allen s/v air force East Falmouth, MA From mweisner at ebsmed.com Wed Sep 11 11:36:22 2019 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (mweisner at ebsmed.com) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 11:36:22 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] solar charge In-Reply-To: <1568214087120-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1567301165772-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568036001385-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568083098737-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568085317148-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568214087120-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <002501d568b6$aaa1e190$ffe5a4b0$@ebsmed.com> Lead acid storage batteries may be stored in sub-freezing temperatures as long as they are charged. Use a floating charger to keep them from self-discharging during winter storage. I bring my AGM batteries inside because of their cost. I really do not want to replace them. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of gramille Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 11:01 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] solar charge Thanks Alex, One more question. Do you only disconnect the batteries for winter or remove them from the boat and store in above freezing temperatures? I used to do this on my Suncat but the battery was really heavy and I would love not to have to move two of them? -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From ric at stottarchitecture.com Wed Sep 11 11:57:50 2019 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 11:57:50 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] an R-22 in Shinnecock Bay In-Reply-To: <7CDE266C-A79F-48FF-9153-F04623434484@gmail.com> References: <7CDE266C-A79F-48FF-9153-F04623434484@gmail.com> Message-ID: <73C661F3-837D-427E-BEB0-E0E2F004D741@stottarchitecture.com> Yesterday I watched rare event. I saw another Rhodes 22 sailing from Shinnecock Inlet, westbound toward the Ponquogue Bridge in Hampotn Bays. I?m not the only Rhodes in Shinnnecock Bay, I?m the only sailboat, so not many sails go by without my notice. Can anyone out there claim any knowledge of the phantom Rhodes? Ric sv Dadventure Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP www.stottarchitecture.com Office 631-283-1777 Cell 516-965-3164 > On Sep 11, 2019, at 11:29 AM, Robert Allen wrote: > > Hi all, > > Well, Summer is almost over and time for securing the boat is almost upon me. Need to remove the sails for some repair and cleaning. Been reviewing the archives regarding sail removal, and still have a couple of questions for those who have done it. > > Mainsail: it appears that after disconnecting the boom, the IMF assembly simply pulls out of the mast. How is the sail removed from the furling tube? (I know it may be obvious once I have the sail out, but i?m not to that point yet). any instructions/pointers/hints/etc, is much appreciated. along with tips for reinstalling the IMF assembly. > > Headsail: I have the GB furling system and will probably be replacing it with CDI, so I suppose it doesn?t matter what I do with the jib halyard attached to the GB furling tube. With that in mind, any info on headsail removal and CDI installation would also be appreciated. If you?re coming to annapolis for the boat show, we can discuss both procedures, > > Thanks all, > > Bob Allen > s/v air force > East Falmouth, MA From rlowe at vt.edu Wed Sep 11 14:17:56 2019 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 18:17:56 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] solar charge In-Reply-To: <002501d568b6$aaa1e190$ffe5a4b0$@ebsmed.com> References: <1567301165772-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568036001385-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568083098737-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568085317148-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568214087120-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <002501d568b6$aaa1e190$ffe5a4b0$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: I removed my batteries in the winter. Cost too much to have their life shortened or ended. - rob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of mweisner at ebsmed.com Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 11:36 AM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] solar charge Lead acid storage batteries may be stored in sub-freezing temperatures as long as they are charged. Use a floating charger to keep them from self-discharging during winter storage. I bring my AGM batteries inside because of their cost. I really do not want to replace them. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of gramille Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 11:01 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] solar charge Thanks Alex, One more question. Do you only disconnect the batteries for winter or remove them from the boat and store in above freezing temperatures? I used to do this on my Suncat but the battery was really heavy and I would love not to have to move two of them? -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From dlet3 at aol.com Thu Sep 12 09:18:39 2019 From: dlet3 at aol.com (Dana LeTendre) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 07:18:39 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric starter for Motor Message-ID: <8D415CB6-C54B-4E6C-AB49-1CE869AB5ACE@aol.com> I have had a 1981 Rhodes 22 for about the last 15 years, and most of that time it has been down here in Belize. As my wife and I are both getting older now, the pull crank on my 6 hp four stroke Mercury seems to be getting harder and harder to pull. My wife can not reliably start the motor any more and she wants an electric starter system. I?ve looked into it and can not find an electric conversion kit for a 6 hp motor ? seems the smallest motor I can find a conversion kit for is 8 hp. Any suggestions? Do I need to buy a larger motor? If so, I?ll probably need a new motor mount, too. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Dana LeTendre Sent from my iPad ???????? From gramille at tds.net Thu Sep 12 10:38:31 2019 From: gramille at tds.net (gramille) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 07:38:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] solar charge In-Reply-To: References: <1567301165772-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568036001385-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568083098737-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568085317148-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568214087120-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <002501d568b6$aaa1e190$ffe5a4b0$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: <1568299111418-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Thanks, that makes sense. Anyone have any idea why my little solar panels were putting out almost 20 amps the other day.? Seems excessive even on a very sunny day! -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From retiredtoby at gmail.com Thu Sep 12 10:44:07 2019 From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 10:44:07 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] solar charge In-Reply-To: <1568299111418-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1567301165772-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568036001385-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568083098737-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568085317148-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568214087120-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <002501d568b6$aaa1e190$ffe5a4b0$@ebsmed.com> <1568299111418-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: WOW, a normal 20 watt solar panel only has an output of about 1.35 amps. What watt size is your panel? On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 10:32 AM gramille wrote: > Thanks, that makes sense. Anyone have any idea why my little solar panels > were putting out almost 20 amps the other day.? > Seems excessive even on a very sunny day! > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From gramille at tds.net Thu Sep 12 11:08:21 2019 From: gramille at tds.net (gramille) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 08:08:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Vang bail In-Reply-To: <1566135694933-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1565924414543-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1566135694933-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1568300901317-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Jessie, Thanks for posting the photos. THis looks like an easy solution to the no vang dilema when running or even on a broad reach. How is it working for you so far? -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From gramille at tds.net Thu Sep 12 11:10:43 2019 From: gramille at tds.net (gramille) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 08:10:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] solar charge In-Reply-To: References: <1567301165772-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568036001385-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568083098737-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568085317148-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568214087120-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <002501d568b6$aaa1e190$ffe5a4b0$@ebsmed.com> <1568299111418-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1568301043499-0.post@n5.nabble.com> No idea of watt size, but they came on my recycled 2014 R22 so they are factory installed. -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From gramille at tds.net Thu Sep 12 11:36:21 2019 From: gramille at tds.net (gramille) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 08:36:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello! Looking for a winter cover, preferably mast up. In-Reply-To: References: <1564764571141-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <06DFC08A-678D-4CFC-B288-9713C5C07DE3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1568302581372-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Hi Christopher, Do you still have that cover ? I am looking for a mast down cover for a R22!@ Graham -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Thu Sep 12 17:15:00 2019 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 16:15:00 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric starter for Motor In-Reply-To: <8D415CB6-C54B-4E6C-AB49-1CE869AB5ACE@aol.com> References: <8D415CB6-C54B-4E6C-AB49-1CE869AB5ACE@aol.com> Message-ID: Hey Dana, I had a 2 cycle 6 hp Yamaha with an electric start. So you might start looking in that area. Yamaha might still have a conversion kit. You might be able to modify it. Just curious, how did your boat get down there? Chris Geankoplis S/V Enosis Greece On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 at 08:18, Dana LeTendre via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > I have had a 1981 Rhodes 22 for about the last 15 years, and most of > that time it has been down here in Belize. As my wife and I are both > getting older now, the pull crank on my 6 hp four stroke Mercury seems to > be getting harder and harder to pull. My wife can not reliably start the > motor any more and she wants an electric starter system. I?ve looked into > it and can not find an electric conversion kit for a 6 hp motor ? seems the > smallest motor I can find a conversion kit for is 8 hp. > Any suggestions? Do I need to buy a larger motor? If so, I?ll > probably need a new motor mount, too. Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Dana LeTendre > > Sent from my iPad > ???????? > From snstaum at gmail.com Thu Sep 12 17:30:03 2019 From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 17:30:03 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric starter for Motor In-Reply-To: <8D415CB6-C54B-4E6C-AB49-1CE869AB5ACE@aol.com> References: <8D415CB6-C54B-4E6C-AB49-1CE869AB5ACE@aol.com> Message-ID: Tohatsu offers a 6 hp 4 stroke with electric start. *Stephen Staum* *s/v Carol Lee 2* *Needham, MA* On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 9:18 AM Dana LeTendre via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > I have had a 1981 Rhodes 22 for about the last 15 years, and most of > that time it has been down here in Belize. As my wife and I are both > getting older now, the pull crank on my 6 hp four stroke Mercury seems to > be getting harder and harder to pull. My wife can not reliably start the > motor any more and she wants an electric starter system. I?ve looked into > it and can not find an electric conversion kit for a 6 hp motor ? seems the > smallest motor I can find a conversion kit for is 8 hp. > Any suggestions? Do I need to buy a larger motor? If so, I?ll > probably need a new motor mount, too. Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Dana LeTendre > > Sent from my iPad > ???????? > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Thu Sep 12 17:32:55 2019 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 16:32:55 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] solar charge In-Reply-To: <1568301043499-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1567301165772-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568036001385-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568083098737-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568085317148-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568214087120-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <002501d568b6$aaa1e190$ffe5a4b0$@ebsmed.com> <1568299111418-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568301043499-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Sounds to good to be true. Roger P could tell you exactly the max Amp, but it can?t be any near 20 amps. Could have set up your multimeter wrong? I have a 100 W panel and don?t recall ever getting any where close to 20 amps. See picture attached. It is stern mounted and about 2 X 3.5 feet. Chris Geankoplis ENOSIS Greece On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 at 10:05, gramille wrote: > No idea of watt size, but they came on my recycled 2014 R22 so they are > factory installed. > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_5300.jpeg Type: image/jpg Size: 2581539 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dlet3 at aol.com Thu Sep 12 17:48:22 2019 From: dlet3 at aol.com (Dana LeTendre) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 15:48:22 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric starter for Motor In-Reply-To: References: <8D415CB6-C54B-4E6C-AB49-1CE869AB5ACE@aol.com> Message-ID: <37581862-BB58-4878-AA4F-84A948AB7089@aol.com> Stephen, Thanks for the suggestion. I just went to the Tohatsu website and found the 6hp 4-stroke, but no electric start, only an alternator option to charge your battery. Is the electric start some kind of special option? Thanks, Dana LeTendre Sent from my iPad ???????? On Sep 12, 2019, at 3:30 PM, Stephen Staum wrote: Tohatsu offers a 6 hp 4 stroke with electric start. *Stephen Staum* *s/v Carol Lee 2* *Needham, MA* On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 9:18 AM Dana LeTendre via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > I have had a 1981 Rhodes 22 for about the last 15 years, and most of > that time it has been down here in Belize. As my wife and I are both > getting older now, the pull crank on my 6 hp four stroke Mercury seems to > be getting harder and harder to pull. My wife can not reliably start the > motor any more and she wants an electric starter system. I?ve looked into > it and can not find an electric conversion kit for a 6 hp motor ? seems the > smallest motor I can find a conversion kit for is 8 hp. > Any suggestions? Do I need to buy a larger motor? If so, I?ll > probably need a new motor mount, too. Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Dana LeTendre > > Sent from my iPad > ???????? > From hnw555 at gmail.com Thu Sep 12 17:57:05 2019 From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 17:57:05 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric starter for Motor In-Reply-To: <8D415CB6-C54B-4E6C-AB49-1CE869AB5ACE@aol.com> References: <8D415CB6-C54B-4E6C-AB49-1CE869AB5ACE@aol.com> Message-ID: Dana, Any chance the motor just needs a good service? If it's truly now harder to pull, the leads me to believe that something isn't operating as smoothly as it should. Hank On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 9:18 AM Dana LeTendre via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > I have had a 1981 Rhodes 22 for about the last 15 years, and most of > that time it has been down here in Belize. As my wife and I are both > getting older now, the pull crank on my 6 hp four stroke Mercury seems to > be getting harder and harder to pull. My wife can not reliably start the > motor any more and she wants an electric starter system. I?ve looked into > it and can not find an electric conversion kit for a 6 hp motor ? seems the > smallest motor I can find a conversion kit for is 8 hp. > Any suggestions? Do I need to buy a larger motor? If so, I?ll > probably need a new motor mount, too. Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Dana LeTendre > > Sent from my iPad > ???????? > From dlet3 at aol.com Thu Sep 12 18:10:09 2019 From: dlet3 at aol.com (Dana LeTendre) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 16:10:09 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric starter for Motor In-Reply-To: References: <8D415CB6-C54B-4E6C-AB49-1CE869AB5ACE@aol.com> Message-ID: <70052D9D-06AD-4ACF-8799-4E4D8BC5F2B4@aol.com> Hank, Yeah, that?s what I thought, too, so I had my trusted mechanic take it apart and put it back together, again, full service, but I think it?s more related to the fact that I?m now 70 years old. That and the fact that it is just harder to start (more pulls) than it used to be. Don?t know why that is, but it is. Anything to suggest about electric start conversion kits for small motors? Thanks, Dana Sent from my iPad ???????? On Sep 12, 2019, at 3:57 PM, Hank wrote: Dana, Any chance the motor just needs a good service? If it's truly now harder to pull, the leads me to believe that something isn't operating as smoothly as it should. Hank On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 9:18 AM Dana LeTendre via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > I have had a 1981 Rhodes 22 for about the last 15 years, and most of > that time it has been down here in Belize. As my wife and I are both > getting older now, the pull crank on my 6 hp four stroke Mercury seems to > be getting harder and harder to pull. My wife can not reliably start the > motor any more and she wants an electric starter system. I?ve looked into > it and can not find an electric conversion kit for a 6 hp motor ? seems the > smallest motor I can find a conversion kit for is 8 hp. > Any suggestions? Do I need to buy a larger motor? If so, I?ll > probably need a new motor mount, too. Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Dana LeTendre > > Sent from my iPad > ???????? > From snstaum at gmail.com Thu Sep 12 18:46:13 2019 From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 18:46:13 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric starter for Motor In-Reply-To: <37581862-BB58-4878-AA4F-84A948AB7089@aol.com> References: <8D415CB6-C54B-4E6C-AB49-1CE869AB5ACE@aol.com> <37581862-BB58-4878-AA4F-84A948AB7089@aol.com> Message-ID: I may be mistaken on the starter. *Stephen Staum* *s/v Carol Lee 2* On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 5:48 PM Dana LeTendre via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Stephen, > > Thanks for the suggestion. I just went to the Tohatsu website and > found the 6hp 4-stroke, but no electric start, only an alternator option to > charge your battery. Is the electric start some kind of special option? > > Thanks, > > Dana LeTendre > > Sent from my iPad > ???????? > > On Sep 12, 2019, at 3:30 PM, Stephen Staum wrote: > > Tohatsu offers a 6 hp 4 stroke with electric start. > > > *Stephen Staum* > *s/v Carol Lee 2* > > *Needham, MA* > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 9:18 AM Dana LeTendre via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > I have had a 1981 Rhodes 22 for about the last 15 years, and most of > > that time it has been down here in Belize. As my wife and I are both > > getting older now, the pull crank on my 6 hp four stroke Mercury seems to > > be getting harder and harder to pull. My wife can not reliably start the > > motor any more and she wants an electric starter system. I?ve looked > into > > it and can not find an electric conversion kit for a 6 hp motor ? seems > the > > smallest motor I can find a conversion kit for is 8 hp. > > Any suggestions? Do I need to buy a larger motor? If so, I?ll > > probably need a new motor mount, too. Any help will be greatly > appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dana LeTendre > > > > Sent from my iPad > > ???????? > > > > From hnw555 at gmail.com Thu Sep 12 19:28:22 2019 From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 19:28:22 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric starter for Motor In-Reply-To: <70052D9D-06AD-4ACF-8799-4E4D8BC5F2B4@aol.com> References: <8D415CB6-C54B-4E6C-AB49-1CE869AB5ACE@aol.com> <70052D9D-06AD-4ACF-8799-4E4D8BC5F2B4@aol.com> Message-ID: I've identified the problem. You got the overhaul on the wrong component! ? On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 18:10 Dana LeTendre via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Hank, > > Yeah, that?s what I thought, too, so I had my trusted mechanic take > it apart and put it back together, again, full service, but I think it?s > more related to the fact that I?m now 70 years old. That and the fact that > it is just harder to start (more pulls) than it used to be. Don?t know why > that is, but it is. Anything to suggest about electric start conversion > kits for small motors? > > Thanks, > > Dana > > Sent from my iPad > ???????? > > On Sep 12, 2019, at 3:57 PM, Hank wrote: > > Dana, > > Any chance the motor just needs a good service? If it's truly now harder > to pull, the leads me to believe that something isn't operating as smoothly > as it should. > > Hank > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 9:18 AM Dana LeTendre via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > I have had a 1981 Rhodes 22 for about the last 15 years, and most of > > that time it has been down here in Belize. As my wife and I are both > > getting older now, the pull crank on my 6 hp four stroke Mercury seems to > > be getting harder and harder to pull. My wife can not reliably start the > > motor any more and she wants an electric starter system. I?ve looked > into > > it and can not find an electric conversion kit for a 6 hp motor ? seems > the > > smallest motor I can find a conversion kit for is 8 hp. > > Any suggestions? Do I need to buy a larger motor? If so, I?ll > > probably need a new motor mount, too. Any help will be greatly > appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dana LeTendre > > > > Sent from my iPad > > ???????? > > > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Thu Sep 12 19:30:56 2019 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 18:30:56 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pt. 3 Sailing in the Med. Message-ID: Below is the link to " Pt. 3 A Rhodes in the Med". Any feedback or comments, ideas on how to improve the journal are most welcome. Enjoy the read as you wish. Rhodes in the Med link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BrX2tSLS_9FLodaaJ9D2Kg07hzxYGzOJ/view?usp=sharing Chris Geankoplis S/V Enosis From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Thu Sep 12 20:53:12 2019 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 17:53:12 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Vang bail In-Reply-To: <1568300901317-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1565924414543-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1566135694933-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568300901317-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1568335992565-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Hi Graham, yes the vang setup has turned out to be a simple solution that is working well. The snap shackles on both ends make it quick to detach the vang when I'm not under sail and want to raise the pop top. As you mentioned, the vang does help keep the boom down when running or on a broad reach. From one Rhodes newbie to another, I have been learning from the responses to your questions on the list so it is good to hear from you. -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From keywestseccorp at verizon.net Fri Sep 13 09:18:13 2019 From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 13:18:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] solar charge In-Reply-To: References: <1567301165772-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568036001385-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568083098737-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568085317148-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568214087120-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <002501d568b6$aaa1e190$ffe5a4b0$@ebsmed.com> <1568299111418-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568301043499-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <162501414.4563625.1568380693188@mail.yahoo.com> the panel on my 1989 17.5"x12.5" is 10amp,? to calculate P=IxV? P is Watts, I=Amps ,V=Volts .maybe 20vdc measured Id recommend an controller regulator if that's the case -----Original Message----- From: Chris Geankoplis To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Sent: Thu, Sep 12, 2019 5:33 pm Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] solar charge Sounds to good to be true. Roger P could tell you exactly the max Amp, but it can?t be any near 20 amps. Could have set up your multimeter wrong?? I have a 100 W panel and don?t recall ever getting any where close to 20 amps. See picture attached. It is stern mounted and about 2 X 3.5 feet. Chris Geankoplis ENOSIS Greece On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 at 10:05, gramille wrote: > No idea of watt size, but they came on my recycled 2014 R22 so they are > factory installed. > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_5300.jpeg Type: image/jpg Size: 2581539 bytes Desc: not available URL: From keywestseccorp at verizon.net Fri Sep 13 10:16:26 2019 From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 14:16:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric starter for Motor In-Reply-To: References: <8D415CB6-C54B-4E6C-AB49-1CE869AB5ACE@aol.com> <70052D9D-06AD-4ACF-8799-4E4D8BC5F2B4@aol.com> Message-ID: <1346520315.4585458.1568384186645@mail.yahoo.com> The Honda 8hp is a good motor elect start and charges battery well. The shifter is a reach when motor is lowered is the only issue for us.I'm going to install shifting control and throttle control on tiller this winter when season is over.? Mark -----Original Message----- From: Hank To: Dana LeTendre ; The Rhodes 22 Email List Sent: Thu, Sep 12, 2019 7:28 pm Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric starter for Motor I've identified the problem. You got the overhaul on the wrong component! ? On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 18:10 Dana LeTendre via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Hank, > >? ? ? Yeah, that?s what I thought, too, so I had my trusted mechanic take > it apart and put it back together, again, full service, but I think it?s > more related to the fact that I?m now 70 years old.? That and the fact that > it is just harder to start (more pulls) than it used to be.? Don?t know why > that is, but it is.? Anything to suggest about electric start conversion > kits for small motors? > > Thanks, > > Dana > > Sent from my iPad > ???????? > > On Sep 12, 2019, at 3:57 PM, Hank wrote: > > Dana, > > Any chance the motor just needs a good service?? If it's truly now harder > to pull, the leads me to believe that something isn't operating as smoothly > as it should. > > Hank > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 9:18 AM Dana LeTendre via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > >? ? ? I have had a 1981 Rhodes 22 for about the last 15 years, and most of > > that time it has been down here in Belize.? As my wife and I are both > > getting older now, the pull crank on my 6 hp four stroke Mercury seems to > > be getting harder and harder to pull.? My wife can not reliably start the > > motor any more and she wants an electric starter system.? I?ve looked > into > > it and can not find an electric conversion kit for a 6 hp motor ? seems > the > > smallest motor I can find a conversion kit for is 8 hp. > >? ? Any suggestions?? Do I need to buy a larger motor?? If so, I?ll > > probably need a new motor mount, too.? Any help will be greatly > appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dana LeTendre > > > > Sent from my iPad > > ???????? > > > > From retiredtoby at gmail.com Fri Sep 13 10:22:21 2019 From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 10:22:21 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] solar charge In-Reply-To: <162501414.4563625.1568380693188@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1567301165772-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568036001385-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568083098737-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568085317148-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568214087120-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <002501d568b6$aaa1e190$ffe5a4b0$@ebsmed.com> <1568299111418-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568301043499-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <162501414.4563625.1568380693188@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Solar panels are rated by watt output. WATTS divided by VOLTS equals AMPS. You will need 240 WATTS at 12 VOLTS to achieve 20 AMPS. By the size stated it seems your solar panel should be a 10 WATTS system. This would yield point 83 AMPS. On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 9:18 AM Mark West via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > the panel on my 1989 17.5"x12.5" is 10amp, to calculate P=IxV P is > Watts, I=Amps ,V=Volts .maybe 20vdc measured Id recommend an controller > regulator if that's the case > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Geankoplis > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Sent: Thu, Sep 12, 2019 5:33 pm > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] solar charge > > Sounds to good to be true. Roger P could tell you exactly the max Amp, but > it can?t be any near 20 amps. Could have set up your multimeter wrong? I > have a 100 W panel and don?t recall ever getting any where close to 20 > amps. See picture attached. It is stern mounted and about 2 X 3.5 feet. > Chris Geankoplis > ENOSIS > Greece > > On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 at 10:05, gramille wrote: > > > No idea of watt size, but they came on my recycled 2014 R22 so they are > > factory installed. > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_5300.jpeg > Type: image/jpg > Size: 2581539 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190912/f2dfc074/attachment.jpg > > > From rweiss at siu.edu Fri Sep 13 10:27:49 2019 From: rweiss at siu.edu (Weiss, Robert L) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 14:27:49 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric starter for Motor In-Reply-To: <1346520315.4585458.1568384186645@mail.yahoo.com> References: <8D415CB6-C54B-4E6C-AB49-1CE869AB5ACE@aol.com> <70052D9D-06AD-4ACF-8799-4E4D8BC5F2B4@aol.com> , <1346520315.4585458.1568384186645@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The reason I bought an 8 hp Mercury is because the shifter is built into the throttle tiller handle. Much easier to reach. I also love my electric start. Bob Robert L. Weiss Jr. Director of Music First United Methodist Carbondale IL Professor Emeritus, SIUC ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Mark West via Rhodes22-list Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 9:16:26 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric starter for Motor [WARNING: EXTERNAL SENDER] This email is from outside SIU and the sender may not match the person in the ?From? field. Do not click links or open attachments unless you verify that the content is safe. The Honda 8hp is a good motor elect start and charges battery well. The shifter is a reach when motor is lowered is the only issue for us.I'm going to install shifting control and throttle control on tiller this winter when season is over. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Hank To: Dana LeTendre ; The Rhodes 22 Email List Sent: Thu, Sep 12, 2019 7:28 pm Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric starter for Motor I've identified the problem. You got the overhaul on the wrong component! ? On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 18:10 Dana LeTendre via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Hank, > > Yeah, that?s what I thought, too, so I had my trusted mechanic take > it apart and put it back together, again, full service, but I think it?s > more related to the fact that I?m now 70 years old. That and the fact that > it is just harder to start (more pulls) than it used to be. Don?t know why > that is, but it is. Anything to suggest about electric start conversion > kits for small motors? > > Thanks, > > Dana > > Sent from my iPad > ???????? > > On Sep 12, 2019, at 3:57 PM, Hank wrote: > > Dana, > > Any chance the motor just needs a good service? If it's truly now harder > to pull, the leads me to believe that something isn't operating as smoothly > as it should. > > Hank > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 9:18 AM Dana LeTendre via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > I have had a 1981 Rhodes 22 for about the last 15 years, and most of > > that time it has been down here in Belize. As my wife and I are both > > getting older now, the pull crank on my 6 hp four stroke Mercury seems to > > be getting harder and harder to pull. My wife can not reliably start the > > motor any more and she wants an electric starter system. I?ve looked > into > > it and can not find an electric conversion kit for a 6 hp motor ? seems > the > > smallest motor I can find a conversion kit for is 8 hp. > > Any suggestions? Do I need to buy a larger motor? If so, I?ll > > probably need a new motor mount, too. Any help will be greatly > appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dana LeTendre > > > > Sent from my iPad > > ???????? > > > > From keywestseccorp at verizon.net Fri Sep 13 11:09:09 2019 From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 15:09:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] solar charge In-Reply-To: References: <1567301165772-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568036001385-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568083098737-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568085317148-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568214087120-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <002501d568b6$aaa1e190$ffe5a4b0$@ebsmed.com> <1568299111418-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568301043499-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <162501414.4563625.1568380693188@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <816091799.4590984.1568387349384@mail.yahoo.com> Cary? if an amp? meter was in line I think ? amps are measured by amp hr?? what do you expect amp would ? be ? 83/60=1.5amp+or- ? its been 45 years since I had electronic class? thanks for your input. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Cary Tolbert To: Mark West via Rhodes22-list Sent: Fri, Sep 13, 2019 10:22 am Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] solar charge Solar panels are rated by watt output. WATTS divided by VOLTS equals AMPS. You will need 240 WATTS at 12 VOLTS to achieve 20 AMPS. By the size stated it seems your solar panel should be a 10 WATTS system. This would yield point 83 AMPS. On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 9:18 AM Mark West via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > the panel on my 1989 17.5"x12.5" is 10amp,? to calculate P=IxV? P is > Watts, I=Amps ,V=Volts .maybe 20vdc measured Id recommend an controller > regulator if that's the case > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Geankoplis > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Sent: Thu, Sep 12, 2019 5:33 pm > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] solar charge > > Sounds to good to be true. Roger P could tell you exactly the max Amp, but > it can?t be any near 20 amps. Could have set up your multimeter wrong?? I > have a 100 W panel and don?t recall ever getting any where close to 20 > amps. See picture attached. It is stern mounted and about 2 X 3.5 feet. > Chris Geankoplis > ENOSIS > Greece > > On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 at 10:05, gramille wrote: > > > No idea of watt size, but they came on my recycled 2014 R22 so they are > > factory installed. > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_5300.jpeg > Type: image/jpg > Size: 2581539 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190912/f2dfc074/attachment.jpg > > > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Fri Sep 13 11:26:29 2019 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 11:26:29 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric starter for Motor In-Reply-To: References: <8D415CB6-C54B-4E6C-AB49-1CE869AB5ACE@aol.com> <70052D9D-06AD-4ACF-8799-4E4D8BC5F2B4@aol.com> <1346520315.4585458.1568384186645@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I believe that it was Bob?s recommendation several years back that led me to choose the Mercury 8hp for Silverheels. Having both the throttle and shifter built into the tiller handle is very convenient. Now if I could only remember which way to twist for forward, and which way for reverse... I?m happy to have the electric start as well, but I rarely use it. The pull starter is easier to reach, and it usually only takes one pull. ?Peter Sent from my iPad > On Sep 13, 2019, at 10:27 AM, Weiss, Robert L wrote: > > The reason I bought an 8 hp Mercury is because the shifter is built into the throttle tiller handle. Much easier to reach. I also love my electric start. > Bob > > Robert L. Weiss Jr. > Director of Music > First United Methodist Carbondale IL > Professor Emeritus, SIUC > ________________________________ >> >> From rca02536 at gmail.com Fri Sep 13 12:47:56 2019 From: rca02536 at gmail.com (Robert Allen) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 12:47:56 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Removal Message-ID: <86C3265D-4403-4F67-83A0-2E5F88986F25@gmail.com> Hi all, Well, Summer is almost over and time for securing the boat is almost upon me. Need to remove the sails for some repair and cleaning. Been reviewing the archives regarding sail removal, and still have a couple of questions for those who have done it. Mainsail: it appears that after disconnecting the boom, the IMF assembly simply pulls out of the mast. How is the sail removed from the furling tube? (I know it may be obvious once I have the sail out, but i?m not to that point yet). any instructions/pointers/hints/etc, is much appreciated. along with tips for reinstalling the IMF assembly. Headsail: I have the GB furling system and will probably be replacing it with CDI, so I suppose it doesn?t matter what I do with the jib halyard attached to the GB furling tube. With that in mind, any info on headsail removal and CDI installation would also be appreciated. If you?re coming to annapolis for the boat show, we can discuss both procedures, Thanks all, Bob Allen s/v air force East Falmouth, MA From oehecht at gmail.com Fri Sep 13 19:59:53 2019 From: oehecht at gmail.com (Olivier Hecht) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 19:59:53 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Removal In-Reply-To: <86C3265D-4403-4F67-83A0-2E5F88986F25@gmail.com> References: <86C3265D-4403-4F67-83A0-2E5F88986F25@gmail.com> Message-ID: My mainsail simply slid into a groove (there?s a bead sewn into the sail) in the furling tube and was secured at each end with a very small machine screw. On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 12:48 PM Robert Allen wrote: > Hi all, > > Well, Summer is almost over and time for securing the boat is almost > upon me. Need to remove the sails for some repair and cleaning. Been > reviewing the archives regarding sail removal, and still have a couple of > questions for those who have done it. > > Mainsail: it appears that after disconnecting the boom, the IMF assembly > simply pulls out of the mast. How is the sail removed from the furling > tube? (I know it may be obvious once I have the sail out, but i?m not to > that point yet). any instructions/pointers/hints/etc, is much appreciated. > along with tips for reinstalling the IMF assembly. > > Headsail: I have the GB furling system and will probably be replacing it > with CDI, so I suppose it doesn?t matter what I do with the jib halyard > attached to the GB furling tube. With that in mind, any info on headsail > removal and CDI installation would also be appreciated. If you?re coming > to annapolis for the boat show, we can discuss both procedures, > > Thanks all, > > Bob Allen > s/v air force > East Falmouth, MA From ccowie at cowieassociates.com Fri Sep 13 20:56:28 2019 From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 00:56:28 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Removal In-Reply-To: References: <86C3265D-4403-4F67-83A0-2E5F88986F25@gmail.com>, Message-ID: Good description Please note our new office address and phone number Christopher P. Cowie [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] 700 N Fairfax Street Suite 304 Alexandria, Virginia 22314 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] [cid:image001.jpg at 01D24014.7A2D04E0] Please consider the environment before printing this email. On Sep 13, 2019, at 8:00 PM, Olivier Hecht > wrote: My mainsail simply slid into a groove (there?s a bead sewn into the sail) in the furling tube and was secured at each end with a very small machine screw. On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 12:48 PM Robert Allen > wrote: Hi all, Well, Summer is almost over and time for securing the boat is almost upon me. Need to remove the sails for some repair and cleaning. Been reviewing the archives regarding sail removal, and still have a couple of questions for those who have done it. Mainsail: it appears that after disconnecting the boom, the IMF assembly simply pulls out of the mast. How is the sail removed from the furling tube? (I know it may be obvious once I have the sail out, but i?m not to that point yet). any instructions/pointers/hints/etc, is much appreciated. along with tips for reinstalling the IMF assembly. Headsail: I have the GB furling system and will probably be replacing it with CDI, so I suppose it doesn?t matter what I do with the jib halyard attached to the GB furling tube. With that in mind, any info on headsail removal and CDI installation would also be appreciated. If you?re coming to annapolis for the boat show, we can discuss both procedures, Thanks all, Bob Allen s/v air force East Falmouth, MA From tvpolise at aol.com Sat Sep 14 09:26:14 2019 From: tvpolise at aol.com (Thomas Polise) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 09:26:14 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Used trailer Message-ID: <3F91D573-050F-4F22-B1F4-D75A8A3945C3@aol.com> Looking to purchase used trailer for Rhodes 22 From tvpolise at aol.com Sat Sep 14 09:27:06 2019 From: tvpolise at aol.com (Thomas Polise) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 09:27:06 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Used mast raising jig Message-ID: Looking to purchase used mast jig or specs on it so I can build. From daysails at aol.com Sat Sep 14 09:46:28 2019 From: daysails at aol.com (daysails at aol.com) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 13:46:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric starter for Motor In-Reply-To: <37581862-BB58-4878-AA4F-84A948AB7089@aol.com> References: <8D415CB6-C54B-4E6C-AB49-1CE869AB5ACE@aol.com> <37581862-BB58-4878-AA4F-84A948AB7089@aol.com> Message-ID: <850842378.4878824.1568468788681@mail.yahoo.com> Dana,? I bought a Tohatsu 8 hp Four-Stroke with electric start in 2011.? It has been reliable and while I am older than you I can still push the button without difficulty.??? The controls are not on the tiller handle but that has not been a problem.? I checked and they still have the electric start on this model.? MFS8A3EFL? ? Shaft 20"" (long) Joe Riley, Athens, GA -----Original Message----- From: Dana LeTendre via Rhodes22-list To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Sent: Thu, Sep 12, 2019 5:48 pm Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric starter for Motor Stephen, ? ? Thanks for the suggestion.? I just went to the Tohatsu website and found the 6hp 4-stroke, but no electric start, only an alternator option to charge your battery.? Is the electric start some kind of special option? Thanks, Dana LeTendre Sent from my iPad ???????? On Sep 12, 2019, at 3:30 PM, Stephen Staum wrote: Tohatsu offers a 6 hp 4 stroke with electric start. *Stephen Staum* *s/v Carol Lee 2* *Needham, MA* On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 9:18 AM Dana LeTendre via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: >? ? ? I have had a 1981 Rhodes 22 for about the last 15 years, and most of > that time it has been down here in Belize.? As my wife and I are both > getting older now, the pull crank on my 6 hp four stroke Mercury seems to > be getting harder and harder to pull.? My wife can not reliably start the > motor any more and she wants an electric starter system.? I?ve looked into > it and can not find an electric conversion kit for a 6 hp motor ? seems the > smallest motor I can find a conversion kit for is 8 hp. >? ? Any suggestions?? Do I need to buy a larger motor?? If so, I?ll > probably need a new motor mount, too.? Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Dana LeTendre > > Sent from my iPad > ???????? > From bobfcohen at gmail.com Sat Sep 14 09:48:28 2019 From: bobfcohen at gmail.com (Robert Cohen) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 09:48:28 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Used trailer In-Reply-To: <3F91D573-050F-4F22-B1F4-D75A8A3945C3@aol.com> References: <3F91D573-050F-4F22-B1F4-D75A8A3945C3@aol.com> Message-ID: I have a used trailer for a Rhodes 22 for sale. It is in Onekama, MI. Bob Cohen Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 14, 2019, at 9:26 AM, Thomas Polise via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > Looking to purchase used trailer for Rhodes 22 From tvpolise at aol.com Sat Sep 14 10:22:55 2019 From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 10:22:55 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Used trailer In-Reply-To: References: <3F91D573-050F-4F22-B1F4-D75A8A3945C3@aol.com> Message-ID: <42EB75B8-E5BA-4C36-ADC6-178EF34670D3@aol.com> Thanks, Can you send me some photos, the particulars and price? Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 14, 2019, at 9:48 AM, Robert Cohen wrote: > > I have a used trailer for a Rhodes 22 for sale. It is in Onekama, MI. > Bob Cohen > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 14, 2019, at 9:26 AM, Thomas Polise via Rhodes22-list wrote: >> >> Looking to purchase used trailer for Rhodes 22 From rbeytagh at gmail.com Sat Sep 14 10:29:07 2019 From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (Richard Beytagh) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 10:29:07 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Used trailer In-Reply-To: <42EB75B8-E5BA-4C36-ADC6-178EF34670D3@aol.com> References: <3F91D573-050F-4F22-B1F4-D75A8A3945C3@aol.com> <42EB75B8-E5BA-4C36-ADC6-178EF34670D3@aol.com> Message-ID: Where are you located? ~~~ _/) ~~~ Richard Beytagh Phone: 828 337 0180 Virus-free. www.avg.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 10:23 AM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Thanks, Can you send me some photos, the particulars and price? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 14, 2019, at 9:48 AM, Robert Cohen wrote: > > > > I have a used trailer for a Rhodes 22 for sale. It is in Onekama, MI. > > Bob Cohen > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Sep 14, 2019, at 9:26 AM, Thomas Polise via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > >> > >> Looking to purchase used trailer for Rhodes 22 > > From tvpolise at aol.com Sat Sep 14 11:02:16 2019 From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 11:02:16 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Used trailer In-Reply-To: References: <3F91D573-050F-4F22-B1F4-D75A8A3945C3@aol.com> <42EB75B8-E5BA-4C36-ADC6-178EF34670D3@aol.com> Message-ID: NJ Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 14, 2019, at 10:29 AM, Richard Beytagh wrote: > > Where are you located? > > > ~~~ _/) ~~~ > > Richard Beytagh > Phone: 828 337 0180 > > > > Virus-free. > www.avg.com > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 10:23 AM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > >> Thanks, Can you send me some photos, the particulars and price? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 14, 2019, at 9:48 AM, Robert Cohen wrote: >>> >>> I have a used trailer for a Rhodes 22 for sale. It is in Onekama, MI. >>> Bob Cohen >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Sep 14, 2019, at 9:26 AM, Thomas Polise via Rhodes22-list < >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> Looking to purchase used trailer for Rhodes 22 >> >> From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com Sat Sep 14 21:34:18 2019 From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 18:34:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to add Telltales Message-ID: <1568511258113-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I?m getting closer to raising my mast and starting the adventure of learning to sail. I would like to add some telltales to my sails before I raise the mast. Is it possible to unfurl the sails while the mast is down to install the telltales and then get the sails refurled or is this just not doable? I do have IMF. Thanks for any advice, George -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From rca02536 at gmail.com Sun Sep 15 17:10:28 2019 From: rca02536 at gmail.com (Robert Allen) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2019 17:10:28 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Removal In-Reply-To: References: <86C3265D-4403-4F67-83A0-2E5F88986F25@gmail.com> Message-ID: Went for a sail today and looked at the assembly, looks straight forward except for one thing, what does one do with the furling line that runs through the boom? appears the stop does not fit through the slot in the boom > On Sep 13, 2019, at 8:56 PM, Chris Cowie wrote: > > Good description > > > Please note our new office address and phone number > > Christopher P. Cowie [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] > > 700 N Fairfax Street > Suite 304 > Alexandria, Virginia 22314 > 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] > > [cid:image001.jpg at 01D24014.7A2D04E0] > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > > On Sep 13, 2019, at 8:00 PM, Olivier Hecht > wrote: > > My mainsail simply slid into a groove (there?s a bead sewn into the sail) > in the furling tube and was secured at each end with a very small machine > screw. > > On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 12:48 PM Robert Allen > wrote: > > Hi all, > > Well, Summer is almost over and time for securing the boat is almost > upon me. Need to remove the sails for some repair and cleaning. Been > reviewing the archives regarding sail removal, and still have a couple of > questions for those who have done it. > > Mainsail: it appears that after disconnecting the boom, the IMF assembly > simply pulls out of the mast. How is the sail removed from the furling > tube? (I know it may be obvious once I have the sail out, but i?m not to > that point yet). any instructions/pointers/hints/etc, is much appreciated. > along with tips for reinstalling the IMF assembly. > > Headsail: I have the GB furling system and will probably be replacing it > with CDI, so I suppose it doesn?t matter what I do with the jib halyard > attached to the GB furling tube. With that in mind, any info on headsail > removal and CDI installation would also be appreciated. If you?re coming > to annapolis for the boat show, we can discuss both procedures, > > Thanks all, > > Bob Allen > s/v air force > East Falmouth, MA From snstaum at gmail.com Sun Sep 15 18:06:28 2019 From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2019 18:06:28 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Removal In-Reply-To: References: <86C3265D-4403-4F67-83A0-2E5F88986F25@gmail.com> Message-ID: Undo the stop knot. On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 5:10 PM Robert Allen wrote: > Went for a sail today and looked at the assembly, looks straight forward > except for one thing, what does one do with the furling line that runs > through the boom? appears the stop does not fit through the slot in the > boom > > > On Sep 13, 2019, at 8:56 PM, Chris Cowie > wrote: > > > > Good description > > > > > > Please note our new office address and phone number > > > > Christopher P. Cowie [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] > [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] > > > > 700 N Fairfax Street > > Suite 304 > > Alexandria, Virginia 22314 > > 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 > mobile > > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] > > > > [cid:image001.jpg at 01D24014.7A2D04E0] > > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > > > > > On Sep 13, 2019, at 8:00 PM, Olivier Hecht oehecht at gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > My mainsail simply slid into a groove (there?s a bead sewn into the sail) > > in the furling tube and was secured at each end with a very small machine > > screw. > > > > On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 12:48 PM Robert Allen > wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > Well, Summer is almost over and time for securing the boat is almost > > upon me. Need to remove the sails for some repair and cleaning. Been > > reviewing the archives regarding sail removal, and still have a couple of > > questions for those who have done it. > > > > Mainsail: it appears that after disconnecting the boom, the IMF assembly > > simply pulls out of the mast. How is the sail removed from the furling > > tube? (I know it may be obvious once I have the sail out, but i?m not to > > that point yet). any instructions/pointers/hints/etc, is much > appreciated. > > along with tips for reinstalling the IMF assembly. > > > > Headsail: I have the GB furling system and will probably be replacing it > > with CDI, so I suppose it doesn?t matter what I do with the jib halyard > > attached to the GB furling tube. With that in mind, any info on headsail > > removal and CDI installation would also be appreciated. If you?re coming > > to annapolis for the boat show, we can discuss both procedures, > > > > Thanks all, > > > > Bob Allen > > s/v air force > > East Falmouth, MA > > -- Stephen Staum Pariser Industries, Inc. From peter at sunnybeeches.com Mon Sep 16 08:59:40 2019 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 08:59:40 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Removal In-Reply-To: References: <86C3265D-4403-4F67-83A0-2E5F88986F25@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3AC1279E-7B32-46EE-B17E-57E443355EB9@sunnybeeches.com> If the end of the furling line has a plastic stopper or loop making thingy, rather than a simple stop knot, it can be removed from the line by removing a small screw. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On Sep 15, 2019, at 6:06 PM, Stephen Staum wrote: > > Undo the stop knot. > > On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 5:10 PM Robert Allen wrote: > >> Went for a sail today and looked at the assembly, looks straight forward >> except for one thing, what does one do with the furling line that runs >> through the boom? appears the stop does not fit through the slot in the >> boom From steven.w.bauman at nasa.gov Mon Sep 16 16:32:28 2019 From: steven.w.bauman at nasa.gov (Bauman, Steven W. (GRC-LMT0)) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 20:32:28 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annapolis Show Message-ID: Can anyone tell us whether General Boats will be at the Annapolis Sailboat Show (Oct. 10-14) this year again? With some boats and hardware to see? And if so, please advise what day would be best to go (Thursday the least crowded?) and where I might stay, nearby and inexpensive. I'll be driving in from Ohio. Steve Bauman Sandusky Bay, Ohio R22: "Misty Anne" From keywestseccorp at verizon.net Mon Sep 16 16:54:16 2019 From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 20:54:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annapolis Show In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1918831101.5520626.1568667256674@mail.yahoo.com> Stan plans to be there saw him two weeks ago. Same spot as always, go to Annapolis sail boat on web the brochure he is listed in Boat? Manufacture listing and gives map locations our room $ 212.00 night 8 miles from show sight nothing cheap that week We will be there Saturday & Sunday and its crowed -----Original Message----- From: Bauman, Steven W. (GRC-LMT0) via Rhodes22-list To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Sent: Mon, Sep 16, 2019 4:34 pm Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annapolis Show Can anyone tell us whether General Boats will be at the Annapolis Sailboat Show (Oct. 10-14) this year again?? With some boats and hardware to see?? And if so, please advise what day would be best to go (Thursday the least crowded?) and where I might stay, nearby and inexpensive.? I'll be driving in from Ohio. Steve Bauman Sandusky Bay, Ohio R22: "Misty Anne" From joedempsey at hughes.net Mon Sep 16 17:03:16 2019 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (JP Dempsey) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 14:03:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello! Looking for a winter cover, preferably mast up. In-Reply-To: <1564764571141-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1564764571141-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1568667796553-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I sent the following message direct to Graham earlier and then thought info may be helpful to the List: "Graham, I use about a 30' x 15' tarp for winter storage. It has lived through about 10 winters here in Virginia. We've had some pretty heavy snows (12-20") and high winds (45-65 mph) during those winters. It came with boat when I acquired in 2016. Had been on "Respite" for 5 years (year round) prior with previous owner when he couldn't sail. It is wearing thin in a few places and I had to repair a couple of tears, but I think I have a couple winters left in it. Not sure of the source, but it seems to be better than "homeowner" grade from Home Depot. May be from Harbor Freight. I recall pricing the size from HF around $89 but not sure of the mil thickness. I do know it's much heavier quality with reinforced grommets than HD quality. I also have a bunch of different sized bungees. Be sure to support spreaders (I use 2 x4's notched for 1" tubing and secure them to penthouse rails). I also lash a broomstick handle to Genoa furling bundle to protect it and keep it from from bending." One other thing, it allows me access on board through the swim ladder while covered. Hope photos help. I may have to resend. Let me know if they don't all come through. Good luck! ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Marshall,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From rca02536 at gmail.com Mon Sep 16 17:03:02 2019 From: rca02536 at gmail.com (Robert Allen) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 17:03:02 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Removal In-Reply-To: <3AC1279E-7B32-46EE-B17E-57E443355EB9@sunnybeeches.com> References: <86C3265D-4403-4F67-83A0-2E5F88986F25@gmail.com> <3AC1279E-7B32-46EE-B17E-57E443355EB9@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <0936BEFB-8F58-44AE-A0A6-7B3F31A41FF1@gmail.com> Thanks all, looks like i can do it. Let you know, BobAllen s/v air force East Falmouth, MA > On Sep 16, 2019, at 8:59 AM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > If the end of the furling line has a plastic stopper or loop making thingy, rather than a simple stop knot, it can be removed from the line by removing a small screw. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > >> On Sep 15, 2019, at 6:06 PM, Stephen Staum wrote: >> >> Undo the stop knot. >> >> On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 5:10 PM Robert Allen wrote: >> >>> Went for a sail today and looked at the assembly, looks straight forward >>> except for one thing, what does one do with the furling line that runs >>> through the boom? appears the stop does not fit through the slot in the >>> boom > From joedempsey at hughes.net Mon Sep 16 17:13:26 2019 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (JP Dempsey) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 14:13:26 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Removal In-Reply-To: <86C3265D-4403-4F67-83A0-2E5F88986F25@gmail.com> References: <86C3265D-4403-4F67-83A0-2E5F88986F25@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1568668406073-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Here are some photos from when I had my IMF Main removed. I have included photos from a member's previous post along with some of my own. Hope they help. ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Marshall,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From joedempsey at hughes.net Mon Sep 16 17:15:48 2019 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (JP Dempsey) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 14:15:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to add Telltales In-Reply-To: <1568511258113-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1568511258113-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1568668548946-0.post@n5.nabble.com> May be possible but I wouldn't advise it. best to remove while mast is on land OR find a calm day in a slip or tied up to a dock and unfurl sail. Same with jib. ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Marshall,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From joedempsey at hughes.net Mon Sep 16 17:19:18 2019 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (JP Dempsey) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 14:19:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric starter for Motor In-Reply-To: <8D415CB6-C54B-4E6C-AB49-1CE869AB5ACE@aol.com> References: <8D415CB6-C54B-4E6C-AB49-1CE869AB5ACE@aol.com> Message-ID: <1568668758258-0.post@n5.nabble.com> If you go the new motor route, I highly recommend a motor with out a tiller control and go with a remote control on inboards with tiller linkage to the rudder. Most all manufacturers make electric start motors. Mine is a Suzuki 9.9 long shank power thrust. It will get me home in a blow. But it is heavy if you plan to remove it. ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Marshall,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From joedempsey at hughes.net Mon Sep 16 18:03:52 2019 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (JP Dempsey) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 15:03:52 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] solar charge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1568671432978-0.post@n5.nabble.com> If you have a 20 amp solar panel, that's 12v X 20 amp or 240 Watts! My 20 watt panel gens out about 19 volts while charging at 1.7 amps. ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Marshall,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From joedempsey at hughes.net Mon Sep 16 18:06:47 2019 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (JP Dempsey) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 15:06:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] solar charge In-Reply-To: <1568671432978-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1568671432978-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1568671607403-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Clicked previous too soon: Stan has said that the panels on Rhodes' are 10 watt. ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Marshall,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From rbeytagh at gmail.com Mon Sep 16 20:28:49 2019 From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (Richard Beytagh) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 20:28:49 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello! Looking for a winter cover, preferably mast up. In-Reply-To: <1568667796553-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1564764571141-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568667796553-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: I have another suggestion: Instead of closeting your boat for the winter, let me tow it down to the Tampa Bay area or Cape Coral, put it in a marina and then you find a few spare moments during the winter to "snow-bird " south and have a few blissful days in the sunshine. The Rhodes is a surprisingly accommodating boat when it's warm outside! ~~~ _/) ~~~ Richard Beytagh Phone: 828 337 0180 Virus-free. www.avg.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 4:57 PM JP Dempsey wrote: > I sent the following message direct to Graham earlier and then thought info > may be helpful to the List: > "Graham, I use about a 30' x 15' tarp for winter storage. It has lived > through about 10 winters here in Virginia. We've had some pretty heavy > snows > (12-20") and high winds (45-65 mph) during those winters. It came with boat > when I acquired in 2016. Had been on "Respite" for 5 years (year round) > prior with previous owner when he couldn't sail. It is wearing thin in a > few places and I had to repair a couple of tears, but I think I have a > couple winters left in it. Not sure of the source, but it seems to be > better than "homeowner" grade from Home Depot. May be from Harbor Freight. > I recall pricing the size from HF around $89 but not sure of the mil > thickness. I do know it's much heavier quality with reinforced grommets > than > HD quality. I also have a bunch of different sized bungees. Be sure to > support spreaders (I use 2 x4's notched for 1" tubing and secure them to > penthouse rails). I also lash a broomstick handle to Genoa furling bundle > to > protect it and keep it from from bending." > > > > > > > < > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Jib_Furling_Storage_with_Lashed_Support.jpg> > > > > > One other thing, it allows me access on board through the swim ladder while > covered. > > > Hope photos help. I may have to resend. Let me know if they don't all come > through. Good luck! > > > > > ----- > JP Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Marshall,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From ccowie at cowieassociates.com Mon Sep 16 20:30:17 2019 From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 00:30:17 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello! Looking for a winter cover, preferably mast up. In-Reply-To: References: <1564764571141-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568667796553-0.post@n5.nabble.com>, Message-ID: <33339612-BC7A-4A2C-93B3-206C36DA25BC@cowieassociates.com> Great idea! Please note our new office address and phone number Christopher P. Cowie [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] 700 N Fairfax Street Suite 304 Alexandria, Virginia 22314 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] [cid:image001.jpg at 01D24014.7A2D04E0] Please consider the environment before printing this email. On Sep 16, 2019, at 8:29 PM, Richard Beytagh > wrote: I have another suggestion: Instead of closeting your boat for the winter, let me tow it down to the Tampa Bay area or Cape Coral, put it in a marina and then you find a few spare moments during the winter to "snow-bird " south and have a few blissful days in the sunshine. The Rhodes is a surprisingly accommodating boat when it's warm outside! ~~~ _/) ~~~ Richard Beytagh Phone: 828 337 0180 Virus-free. www.avg.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 4:57 PM JP Dempsey > wrote: I sent the following message direct to Graham earlier and then thought info may be helpful to the List: "Graham, I use about a 30' x 15' tarp for winter storage. It has lived through about 10 winters here in Virginia. We've had some pretty heavy snows (12-20") and high winds (45-65 mph) during those winters. It came with boat when I acquired in 2016. Had been on "Respite" for 5 years (year round) prior with previous owner when he couldn't sail. It is wearing thin in a few places and I had to repair a couple of tears, but I think I have a couple winters left in it. Not sure of the source, but it seems to be better than "homeowner" grade from Home Depot. May be from Harbor Freight. I recall pricing the size from HF around $89 but not sure of the mil thickness. I do know it's much heavier quality with reinforced grommets than HD quality. I also have a bunch of different sized bungees. Be sure to support spreaders (I use 2 x4's notched for 1" tubing and secure them to penthouse rails). I also lash a broomstick handle to Genoa furling bundle to protect it and keep it from from bending." < http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Jib_Furling_Storage_with_Lashed_Support.jpg> One other thing, it allows me access on board through the swim ladder while covered. Hope photos help. I may have to resend. Let me know if they don't all come through. Good luck! ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Marshall,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From ric at stottarchitecture.com Mon Sep 16 21:55:51 2019 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 21:55:51 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello! Looking for a winter cover, preferably mast up. In-Reply-To: <33339612-BC7A-4A2C-93B3-206C36DA25BC@cowieassociates.com> References: <1564764571141-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1568667796553-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <33339612-BC7A-4A2C-93B3-206C36DA25BC@cowieassociates.com> Message-ID: <8FE027D4-B7D2-4B9E-80D4-C2F267BF5E51@stottarchitecture.com> Great photos And good job rigging the ?Home Depot? method. I do the same thing except I take the spreaders off (a cotter pin) and tie them up to the mast to get them out of the way. Then I take the life lines off (loosen the turn buckle and unscrew two Allen screws). This allows the cover to hug the hull from the mast down in a smooth transition. I live on the bay in an area where the wind would tear that cover apart. I also cover the mast with an old tarp folded into a 3 foot wide by 30? strip. I lay it over the mast and tie it every 6 ft - to protect the cover from wear. I?m hauling the boat this season for the first time on a trailer I bought from a fellow list member. It was a project but finally done. Almost! I?ll send pics soon. Ric sv Dadventure Hampton Bays Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 16, 2019, at 8:30 PM, Chris Cowie wrote: > > Great idea! > > > Please note our new office address and phone number > > Christopher P. Cowie [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] > > 700 N Fairfax Street > Suite 304 > Alexandria, Virginia 22314 > 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] > > [cid:image001.jpg at 01D24014.7A2D04E0] > > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > > On Sep 16, 2019, at 8:29 PM, Richard Beytagh > wrote: > > I have another suggestion: Instead of closeting your boat for the winter, > let me tow it down to the Tampa Bay area or Cape Coral, put it in a marina > and then you find a few spare moments during the winter to "snow-bird " > south and have a few blissful days in the sunshine. The Rhodes is a > surprisingly accommodating boat when it's warm outside! > > > ~~~ _/) ~~~ > > Richard Beytagh > Phone: 828 337 0180 > > > > Virus-free. > www.avg.com > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 4:57 PM JP Dempsey > wrote: > > I sent the following message direct to Graham earlier and then thought info > may be helpful to the List: > "Graham, I use about a 30' x 15' tarp for winter storage. It has lived > through about 10 winters here in Virginia. We've had some pretty heavy > snows > (12-20") and high winds (45-65 mph) during those winters. It came with boat > when I acquired in 2016. Had been on "Respite" for 5 years (year round) > prior with previous owner when he couldn't sail. It is wearing thin in a > few places and I had to repair a couple of tears, but I think I have a > couple winters left in it. Not sure of the source, but it seems to be > better than "homeowner" grade from Home Depot. May be from Harbor Freight. > I recall pricing the size from HF around $89 but not sure of the mil > thickness. I do know it's much heavier quality with reinforced grommets > than > HD quality. I also have a bunch of different sized bungees. Be sure to > support spreaders (I use 2 x4's notched for 1" tubing and secure them to > penthouse rails). I also lash a broomstick handle to Genoa furling bundle > to > protect it and keep it from from bending." > > > > > > > < > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Jib_Furling_Storage_with_Lashed_Support.jpg> > > > > > One other thing, it allows me access on board through the swim ladder while > covered. > > > Hope photos help. I may have to resend. Let me know if they don't all come > through. Good luck! > > > > > ----- > JP Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Marshall,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From dlet3 at aol.com Tue Sep 17 08:51:51 2019 From: dlet3 at aol.com (Dana LeTendre) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 06:51:51 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric starter for Motor In-Reply-To: <1568668758258-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <8D415CB6-C54B-4E6C-AB49-1CE869AB5ACE@aol.com> <1568668758258-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <179C99E2-37A2-49B1-9A28-5E584915019D@aol.com> Thanks for the suggestion ? sounds like a great solution, but being on an island in Belize (Ambergris Caye) severely limits my options to the more mundane. Even buying a new motor is a bit of a logistical challenge down here. But I?d LOVE to have a rig like you describe! Thanks, Dana LeTendre Sent from my iPad ???????? On Sep 16, 2019, at 3:19 PM, JP Dempsey wrote: If you go the new motor route, I highly recommend a motor with out a tiller control and go with a remote control on inboards with tiller linkage to the rudder. Most all manufacturers make electric start motors. Mine is a Suzuki 9.9 long shank power thrust. It will get me home in a blow. But it is heavy if you plan to remove it. ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Marshall,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From ksimolo at frontiernet.net Tue Sep 17 09:09:22 2019 From: ksimolo at frontiernet.net (SpringHollow) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 06:09:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Used trailer In-Reply-To: <3F91D573-050F-4F22-B1F4-D75A8A3945C3@aol.com> References: <3F91D573-050F-4F22-B1F4-D75A8A3945C3@aol.com> Message-ID: <1568725762915-0.post@n5.nabble.com> There is one in Iowa for sale on Ebay. Ken ----- 1988 Rhodes 22 refurbed in 2008 -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Tue Sep 17 17:14:12 2019 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 14:14:12 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cockpit cushions Message-ID: <1568754852675-0.post@n5.nabble.com> The local sailboat shop recommended C Cushions Inc. as a source of cockpit cushions due to their durability and ease of keeping clean.? Apparently they don't absorb water and float if they go overboard.? They have patterns for all kinds of boats, including a Rhodes 22 Continental pattern.? Due to the curved lines of the R22, I am a little nervous about pattern fit.? Just curious if anyone had any experience with cockpit cushions from there.? I didn't see any reference to ccushions in past posts on this list.? I also emailed Stan to see if new/used cockpit cushions are available from GB. -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From peter at sunnybeeches.com Tue Sep 17 17:41:11 2019 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 17:41:11 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cockpit cushions In-Reply-To: <1568754852675-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1568754852675-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <2A0B2709-0CB2-4679-8B1E-F4E9759586D9@sunnybeeches.com> I don?t recall this company being mentioned before. I went to their website out of curiosity. On finding the details for cushions for the Rhodes 22, I noticed that the set is 4. I?ve only got 3. I?m not sure what a 4 cushion configuration would look like. Maybe it?s just a glitch in their database. If you follow up on this, please keep us posted. Thanks, Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On Sep 17, 2019, at 5:14 PM, Jesse Shumaker wrote: > > The local sailboat shop recommended C Cushions Inc. > as a source of cockpit cushions due to their durability and ease of keeping > clean. Apparently they don't absorb water and float if they go overboard. > They have patterns for all kinds of boats, including a Rhodes 22 Continental > pattern. Due to the curved lines of the R22, I am a little nervous about > pattern fit. Just curious if anyone had any experience with cockpit > cushions from there. I didn't see any reference to ccushions in past posts > on this list. > > I also emailed Stan to see if new/used cockpit cushions are available from > GB. > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Tue Sep 17 18:39:21 2019 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 18:39:21 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] solar charge In-Reply-To: <1568671432978-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1568671432978-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: It is the 19 volts that mandate a regulator so your battery doesn't overheat. Volts and amps vary by sunlight intensity and air temperature so always measure the regulated current on the hottest, brightest day. Regards, Rick Lange On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 5:57 PM JP Dempsey wrote: > If you have a 20 amp solar panel, that's 12v X 20 amp or 240 Watts! My 20 > watt panel gens out about 19 volts while charging at 1.7 amps. > > > > ----- > JP Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Marshall,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From joedempsey at hughes.net Wed Sep 18 13:32:32 2019 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (JP Dempsey) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 10:32:32 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water tank by Rubbermaid? Message-ID: <1568827952494-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Do any of you Rhodes have a converted Rubbermaid storage container for a water tank? ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Marshall,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From ccowie at cowieassociates.com Wed Sep 18 13:55:47 2019 From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 17:55:47 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water tank by Rubbermaid? In-Reply-To: <1568827952494-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1568827952494-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: yes Christopher P. Cowie? ?? 700 N Fairfax Street Suite 304 Alexandria, Virginia 22314 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] Please consider the environment before printing this email. -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of JP Dempsey Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 1:33 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water tank by Rubbermaid? Do any of you Rhodes have a converted Rubbermaid storage container for a water tank? ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Marshall,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Wed Sep 18 14:01:46 2019 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 14:01:46 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water tank by Rubbermaid? In-Reply-To: <1568827952494-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1568827952494-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: I love mine. On Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 1:26 PM JP Dempsey wrote: > Do any of you Rhodes have a converted Rubbermaid storage container for a > water tank? > > > > ----- > JP Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Marshall,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From tvpolise at aol.com Wed Sep 18 14:07:03 2019 From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 14:07:03 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water tank by Rubbermaid? In-Reply-To: <1568827952494-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1568827952494-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: I do. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 18, 2019, at 1:32 PM, JP Dempsey wrote: > > Do any of you Rhodes have a converted Rubbermaid storage container for a > water tank? > > > > ----- > JP Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Marshall,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From mweisner at ebsmed.com Wed Sep 18 15:00:57 2019 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (mweisner at ebsmed.com) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 15:00:57 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water tank by Rubbermaid? In-Reply-To: <1568827952494-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1568827952494-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <004601d56e53$687ea990$397bfcb0$@ebsmed.com> I replaced mine with one from classacustoms.com (you can find them on ebay.com). I used a T-1600, 16 gallon with the supplied fittings. See https://www.classacustoms.com/16-Gallon-Fresh-Gray-Water-Holding-Tank_p_32.h tml Or, on ebay.com: https://www.ebay.com/itm/16-GALLON-Fresh-Water-Tank-New-NSF-food-truck-holdi ng-wash-tiny-concession-rv/183813604378?hash=item2acc25041a:g:KkoAAOSwXsFaey R5 Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of JP Dempsey Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 1:33 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water tank by Rubbermaid? Do any of you Rhodes have a converted Rubbermaid storage container for a water tank? ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Marshall,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com Sun Sep 22 07:43:01 2019 From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 04:43:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes22 Message-ID: <1569152581769-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Hello Rhodies As I?ve posted before, the extent of my sailing was the two hours sailing on the boat before I bought her. Well. yesterday my sailing buddy and I got the mast raised and I sailed her for the first time as the proud owner here in Southport NC. It went well except for the the final part back into the marina. I have installed a link between my tiller and motor so they move in unison. I used it leaving the marina and it worked well. Motoring back I was experimenting with not having the link connected and just using the tiller while having the motor locked straight ahead. I fully intended to hook it back up when I got close to the marina, but, just as I?m headed into the marina I realize I hadn?t reconnected my link. I quickly do this but forgot to unlock the motor. As I attempt to make a needed 90 degree turn, I can?t move the tiller and I?m headed right at a big docked trawler. I put the motor in reverse and it dies. That?s the point everyone is scrambling on both boats to try and hold my boat off. Only a little scratch on the trawler. The people on the trawler were very gracious and said don?t worry about it. What a stupid mistake...but a big lesson learned...the first of so many to come. I don?t know why my Mercury 9.9 died. It also died once leaving the ramp when I shifted gears. Maybe there is a trick to shifting I need to learn?. It restarted after both events. George SV Knotty Lady 1986/2010 -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From ccowie at cowieassociates.com Sun Sep 22 07:39:02 2019 From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 11:39:02 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes22 In-Reply-To: <1569152581769-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1569152581769-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <62464E82-F18A-4F32-B27C-A7000D36299C@cowieassociates.com> Always go slow near the dock. Please note our new office address and phone number Christopher P. Cowie [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] 700 N Fairfax Street Suite 304 Alexandria, Virginia 22314 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] [cid:image001.jpg at 01D24014.7A2D04E0] Please consider the environment before printing this email. On Sep 22, 2019, at 7:36 AM, Gmorganflier > wrote: Hello Rhodies As I?ve posted before, the extent of my sailing was the two hours sailing on the boat before I bought her. Well. yesterday my sailing buddy and I got the mast raised and I sailed her for the first time as the proud owner here in Southport NC. It went well except for the the final part back into the marina. I have installed a link between my tiller and motor so they move in unison. I used it leaving the marina and it worked well. Motoring back I was experimenting with not having the link connected and just using the tiller while having the motor locked straight ahead. I fully intended to hook it back up when I got close to the marina, but, just as I?m headed into the marina I realize I hadn?t reconnected my link. I quickly do this but forgot to unlock the motor. As I attempt to make a needed 90 degree turn, I can?t move the tiller and I?m headed right at a big docked trawler. I put the motor in reverse and it dies. That?s the point everyone is scrambling on both boats to try and hold my boat off. Only a little scratch on the trawler. The people on the trawler were very gracious and said don?t worry about it. What a stupid mistake...but a big lesson learned...the first of so many to come. I don?t know why my Mercury 9.9 died. It also died once leaving the ramp when I shifted gears. Maybe there is a trick to shifting I need to learn?. It restarted after both events. George SV Knotty Lady 1986/2010 -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From daysails at aol.com Sun Sep 22 08:21:57 2019 From: daysails at aol.com (daysails at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 12:21:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes22 References: <561397216.7363687.1569154917816.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <561397216.7363687.1569154917816@mail.yahoo.com> Hi George, Welcome to the early rise in the learning curve! ?My first time using the connector I left the motor Handel in a position where it pressed against the side of the lift preventing me from making a similar critical turn. ? Two suggestions that helped me, ?make a checklist of things that need to be done before leaving the dock and returning, ?they will soon become second nature. ?Practice just motoring into and out of the dock. ?There are a lot of skills like turning the boat in a 360 degree circle in a narrow waterway using forward and reverse that are not ?sailing? skills. ?It will all become mastered with hands on experience and a lot of enjoyable reading. ?Congratulations on your inaugural sail on Knotty Lady captain! ? Joe Riley s/v Second Wind lake Hartwell SC. From boendert at me.com Sun Sep 22 09:14:49 2019 From: boendert at me.com (Theodore Boender) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 09:14:49 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes22 In-Reply-To: <561397216.7363687.1569154917816@mail.yahoo.com> References: <561397216.7363687.1569154917816@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B130AA2-42D6-4FDC-A62C-488E43BBAF8D@me.com> Plus one, what Joe said. Don?t worry there be more mistakes. It?s part of fun for me. Cheers, Ted Former owner? S/V AIRPOWER 1991/2013 R22 Jacksonville, FL > On Sep 22, 2019, at 8:22 AM, Sling via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > ?Hi George, > Welcome to the early rise in the learning curve! My first time using the connector I left the motor Handel in a position where it pressed against the side of the lift preventing me from making a similar critical turn. > Two suggestions that helped me, make a checklist of things that need to be done before leaving the dock and returning, they will soon become second nature. Practice just motoring into and out of the dock. There are a lot of skills like turning the boat in a 360 degree circle in a narrow waterway using forward and reverse that are not ?sailing? skills. It will all become mastered with hands on experience and a lot of enjoyable reading. Congratulations on your inaugural sail on Knotty Lady captain! > Joe Riley s/v Second Wind lake Hartwell SC. > > > > From kathy.leone at qltcls.com Sun Sep 22 09:38:48 2019 From: kathy.leone at qltcls.com (Kathy Leone) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 13:38:48 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 2012 Rhodes 22 for sale Message-ID: Hello Rhodies, After many years of sailing on Rhodes 22 sailboats, we are selling our 2012. She is in excellent condition with the following items worth mentioning: (1) Navy blue hull (2) 175 Genoa (3) 9.9 Yahama engine with tiller hookup. This engine is from the 2004 boat we purchased. We have been utilizing it on our 2012 and love how it works. Our mechanic at the marina recently gave the engine an overhaul and she is purring. This included a brand new lower unit. (4) Galvanized trailer (5) Safety rails We are located on Long Beach Island in New Jersey. We are asking $29,500 per a discussion with Stan and will consider any reasonable offer. Thank you and Happy Sailing, Kathy S/V REVERIE 2012 R22 Long Beach Township, NJ From morrisix at comcast.net Sun Sep 22 21:37:29 2019 From: morrisix at comcast.net (Bill) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 18:37:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes22 In-Reply-To: <1569152581769-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1569152581769-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1569202649198-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Hi George, My Toshiba 9.9 did the same thing. It had trouble when Shifting and would conk out. Got worse where at low Speeds it started conking out. Turns out the low speed jet Was clogged. High speed jet was OK. ( Both these are in the carburetor.) I am guessing you may have a similar Issue. Bad gas also. I have gone to marina gas Only. ( No ethanol). It?s not a bad job to remove carb And clean it or install a new Jet. You tube has videos Showing how to do it. Bill -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From Colealexander at hotmail.com Mon Sep 23 10:01:03 2019 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 07:01:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan, if you are lurking Message-ID: <1569247263098-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Please check your email or call me. There is no longer a phone number on your website (likely hurting sales) and my number is disconnected. I have a part request and a goal of repair before my marina kicks me out for the season. Alex ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From keywestseccorp at verizon.net Mon Sep 23 11:16:07 2019 From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 15:16:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes22 In-Reply-To: <1569152581769-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1569152581769-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <499824544.7731198.1569251767098@mail.yahoo.com> my motor also staled when shifting took cab off cleaned it.Made Shure all passages were clean. The low speed passage was? clogged cleaned it out , did not need carb kit. Its dependable now.Mark ? ? -----Original Message----- From: Gmorganflier To: rhodes22-list Sent: Sun, Sep 22, 2019 7:36 am Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes22 Hello Rhodies As I?ve posted before, the extent of my sailing was the two hours sailing on the boat before I bought her. Well. yesterday my sailing buddy and I got the mast raised and I sailed her for the first time as the proud owner here in Southport NC. It went well except for the the final part back into the marina. I have installed a link between my tiller and motor so they move in unison. I used it leaving the marina and it worked well. Motoring back I was experimenting with not having the link connected and just using the tiller while having the motor locked straight ahead. I fully intended to hook it back up when I got close to the marina, but, just as I?m headed into the marina I realize I hadn?t reconnected my link. I quickly do this but forgot to unlock the motor. As I attempt to make a needed 90 degree turn, I can?t move the tiller and I?m headed right at a big docked trawler. I put the motor in reverse and it dies. That?s the point everyone is scrambling on both boats to try and hold my boat off. Only a little scratch on the trawler. The people on the trawler were very gracious and said don?t worry about it. What a stupid mistake...but a big lesson learned...the first of so many to come. I don?t know why my Mercury 9.9 died. It also died once leaving the ramp when I shifted gears. Maybe there is a trick to shifting I need to learn?. It restarted after both events. George SV Knotty Lady 1986/2010 -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From stan at generalboats.com Mon Sep 23 11:40:50 2019 From: stan at generalboats.com (stan) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 11:40:50 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan, if you are lurking In-Reply-To: <1569247263098-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1569247263098-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1da73e8b-985f-266d-d8d1-1619190041c5@generalboats.com> Hi Alex, Yeah, I tune in when am depressed and need some educational diversion, and also just in case someone has gone off the deep end and I gotta say something or die. I had moved the office to a house I had to set up when I was Rose's prime care giver and am still here with one of the two round the clock live-ins the DSS required. l found the other lady, less than half Roses age, sitting upright on the kitchen floor, dead, a few weeks ago so have been busy, to say nothing of getting ready for the show. So what is it you need, will try and squeeze it in, in between working on the Rhodes Parts and Services web site writing.? Are you a good proofreader? stan On 9/23/19 10:01 AM, S/V Lark wrote: > Please check your email or call me. > There is no longer a phone number on your website (likely hurting sales) and > my number is disconnected. > > I have a part request and a goal of repair before my marina kicks me out for > the season. > > Alex > > > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > From Colealexander at hotmail.com Mon Sep 23 16:46:31 2019 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:46:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan, if you are lurking In-Reply-To: <1da73e8b-985f-266d-d8d1-1619190041c5@generalboats.com> References: <1569247263098-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1da73e8b-985f-266d-d8d1-1619190041c5@generalboats.com> Message-ID: <1569271591555-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Stan. Wow. I managed to crack the black plastic rudder cheek (port side) yesterday at the bottom bolt. In my defense, yes the rudder was down all the way as instructed. It was windy. Predicted 10-20 but at the time it was 20 sustained, with gusts to 30 and 70 degree shifts (I looked it up). I was close hauled on a port tack but heavily reefed. The main was out to one "2" and the jib to the height of the lower "22". I had just been crossed by a windsurfer which went down in a shift / gust and was blowing toward me. Of course he was off my port bow and the boat wanted to round up. I released the sheets, but the boat and I were arguing about the merits of a new bowsprit. Since it wasn't a pretty girl I insisted we fall off. I finally got the LARK to agree, but heard a pop. Anyway, I would like to buy another port side plastic cheek and if you have them, the stainless lock nuts plus one grommet (twisted when it cracked). Am I just hard on equipment? Since I'm at it, I also had a stress crack of the starboard black plastic part that holds the companionway hatch in place. The bottom cracked off at the bottom screw. I have no idea why, nobody had tried to break in. I made replacements for both sides from some Mahogany I had bought years ago for the other boat but when I opened the shrink wrap I found it was some African knock off that is very light weight and may or may not be rot resistant. While I'm at it, I may as well ask for another factory original. I make somebody else do my website proof reading. You can post your edits here and let the group pick them apart. Alex Colealexander at Hotmail.com cell 260 five 78 0178 office 937 six 53 7326 ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From Colealexander at hotmail.com Mon Sep 23 16:51:52 2019 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:51:52 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes22 In-Reply-To: <1569152581769-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1569152581769-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1569271912724-0.post@n5.nabble.com> George. Keep at it, it gets easier as you gain experience breaking things. Alex ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From stan at generalboats.com Mon Sep 23 19:21:50 2019 From: stan at generalboats.com (stan) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 19:21:50 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan, if you are lurking In-Reply-To: <1569271591555-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1569247263098-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1da73e8b-985f-266d-d8d1-1619190041c5@generalboats.com> <1569271591555-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <919832d8-11d6-117f-e9b5-2f3f5a7beb1f@generalboats.com> congratulations on becoming the first member of an exclusive society of one. I don't recall anyone ever breaking a rudder head cheek with the rudder blade fully down since then there is no pressure on the cheeks as you can tell by there being no resistance to the tiller. Of course I buy your tale so maybe it always had a weak spot and its day had come. The hours between now and showtime are at a premium. But I will see if one is available. Having to make anything from scratch before the show is impossible. But of course there is now Cowie to come to your rescue. My recollection is you saw little fault with his immorality so you have my blessings for his crew to pitch in. Which segways into the parts site proof reading. It is not ready for prime time List debuting yet since it lets Cowie have it. It will eventually be going public world wide. Have to have some comic relief. On 9/23/19 4:46 PM, S/V Lark wrote: > Stan. Wow. > > I managed to crack the black plastic rudder cheek (port side) yesterday at > the bottom bolt. In my defense, yes the rudder was down all the way as > instructed. It was windy. Predicted 10-20 but at the time it was 20 > sustained, with gusts to 30 and 70 degree shifts (I looked it up). I was > close hauled on a port tack but heavily reefed. The main was out to one "2" > and the jib to the height of the lower "22". I had just been crossed by a > windsurfer which went down in a shift / gust and was blowing toward me. Of > course he was off my port bow and the boat wanted to round up. I released > the sheets, but the boat and I were arguing about the merits of a new > bowsprit. Since it wasn't a pretty girl I insisted we fall off. I finally > got the LARK to agree, but heard a pop. Anyway, I would like to buy > another port side plastic cheek and if you have them, the stainless lock > nuts plus one grommet (twisted when it cracked). Am I just hard on > equipment? > > Since I'm at it, I also had a stress crack of the starboard black plastic > part that holds the companionway hatch in place. The bottom cracked off at > the bottom screw. I have no idea why, nobody had tried to break in. I made > replacements for both sides from some Mahogany I had bought years ago for > the other boat but when I opened the shrink wrap I found it was some African > knock off that is very light weight and may or may not be rot resistant. > While I'm at it, I may as well ask for another factory original. > > I make somebody else do my website proof reading. You can post your edits > here and let the group pick them apart. > Alex > > Colealexander at Hotmail.com > cell 260 five 78 0178 > office 937 six 53 7326 > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Mon Sep 23 19:42:09 2019 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 18:42:09 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan, if you are lurking In-Reply-To: <919832d8-11d6-117f-e9b5-2f3f5a7beb1f@generalboats.com> References: <1569247263098-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1da73e8b-985f-266d-d8d1-1619190041c5@generalboats.com> <1569271591555-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <919832d8-11d6-117f-e9b5-2f3f5a7beb1f@generalboats.com> Message-ID: I?ll wait for the movi to come out. Chris Geankoplis On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 at 18:21, stan wrote: > > congratulations on becoming the first member of an exclusive society of > one. I don't recall anyone ever breaking a rudder head cheek with the > rudder blade fully down since then there is no pressure on the cheeks as > you can tell by there being no resistance to the tiller. Of course I buy > your tale so maybe it always had a weak spot and its day had come. The > hours between now and showtime are at a premium. But I will see if one is > available. Having to make anything from scratch before the show is > impossible. But of course there is now Cowie to come to your rescue. My > recollection is you saw little fault with his immorality so you have my > blessings for his crew to pitch in. Which segways into the parts site > proof reading. It is not ready for prime time List debuting yet since it > lets Cowie have it. It will eventually be going public world wide. Have to > have some comic relief. > > > > On 9/23/19 4:46 PM, S/V Lark wrote: > > Stan. Wow. > > > > I managed to crack the black plastic rudder cheek (port side) yesterday > at > > the bottom bolt. In my defense, yes the rudder was down all the way as > > instructed. It was windy. Predicted 10-20 but at the time it was 20 > > sustained, with gusts to 30 and 70 degree shifts (I looked it up). I > was > > close hauled on a port tack but heavily reefed. The main was out to one > "2" > > and the jib to the height of the lower "22". I had just been crossed > by a > > windsurfer which went down in a shift / gust and was blowing toward me. > Of > > course he was off my port bow and the boat wanted to round up. I > released > > the sheets, but the boat and I were arguing about the merits of a new > > bowsprit. Since it wasn't a pretty girl I insisted we fall off. I > finally > > got the LARK to agree, but heard a pop. Anyway, I would like to buy > > another port side plastic cheek and if you have them, the stainless lock > > nuts plus one grommet (twisted when it cracked). Am I just hard on > > equipment? > > > > Since I'm at it, I also had a stress crack of the starboard black plastic > > part that holds the companionway hatch in place. The bottom cracked off > at > > the bottom screw. I have no idea why, nobody had tried to break in. I > made > > replacements for both sides from some Mahogany I had bought years ago for > > the other boat but when I opened the shrink wrap I found it was some > African > > knock off that is very light weight and may or may not be rot resistant. > > While I'm at it, I may as well ask for another factory original. > > > > I make somebody else do my website proof reading. You can post your > edits > > here and let the group pick them apart. > > Alex > > > > Colealexander at Hotmail.com > > cell 260 five 78 0178 > > office 937 six 53 7326 > > > > > > ----- > > Alex Cole > > S/V Lark > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > > > > From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com Mon Sep 23 21:51:10 2019 From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 18:51:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes22 In-Reply-To: <1569271912724-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1569152581769-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1569271912724-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1569289870394-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Thanks to everyone for your words of encouragement and advice on maybe cleaning my carb. On Saturday when my buddy and I went out for my second ever sail and my first time launching at the Southport marina ramp, we were able to turn the boat 180 degrees by hand around the end of the dock before starting out in forward going out the narrow alley with two tight 90 degree turns leading to the ICW. Today I went on my first solo sail, my third time sailing. It must have been amusing for anyone watching me leave the marina. With the wind and someone on the other side of the dock, I didn?t think it would be possible for me to manhandle the boat around pointing out the alley. Not really knowing how to do a pivot turn, I backed all the way out including the two 90 degree turns to the intercostal waterway. I sailed for 3 hours fumbling around at times for sure, but made it back alive and didn?t ram anyone?s boat. With a full main and the 175 Genoa unfurled I had the rail almost in the water once and showed a gps speed of a little over 8 mph (I haven?t reset my instrument to knots yet). I just looked at the current and wind history for the time I was out between 3:00 and 6:00 and I had a 1 knot current helping me when I was doing 8 mph. Winds were fairly consistent at a little over 10 with gusts to 14 knots. 8 mph is 6.95. Subtracting the 1 kt current help, I think I might have being doing hull speed of close to 6 kts briefly. Solo sailing I did find myself wishing the cleats to hold the Genoa sheets were angled more toward the center of the cockpit. The cleat on the port is straight fore and aft. The one on the starboard is angled maybe 30 degrees in. When I was sitting on the windward side and wanted to adjust the sheet on the lee (especially the port cleat), I would have to lean way over to that side to release the cleat. Is this normal and something I?ll get used to? Has anyone angled their cleats in to make them easier to release without leaning over to that side? George S/V Knotty Lady -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From cjlowe at sssnet.com Mon Sep 23 22:05:33 2019 From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 22:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes22 In-Reply-To: <1569289870394-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1569152581769-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1569271912724-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1569289870394-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <30912.174.233.8.119.1569290733.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> When the wind is up and I?m solo, I take the jib sheet across the boat from the low side winch to the high side winch. Using both winches , you can pull on the sheet in the middle an gain great mechanical advantage, release the slack you created and take it up on the high side winch. Repet until You happy with how the job looks, then cleat on the high side cleat . You don?t need the winch handle , and your weight is where it needs to be for that tack. Jerry Lowe S/V Country Rhodes ?86 > Thanks to everyone for your words of encouragement and advice on maybe > cleaning my carb. > > On Saturday when my buddy and I went out for my second ever sail and my > first time launching at the Southport marina ramp, we were able to turn > the > boat 180 degrees by hand around the end of the dock before starting out in > forward going out the narrow alley with two tight 90 degree turns leading > to > the ICW. > > Today I went on my first solo sail, my third time sailing. It must have > been > amusing for anyone watching me leave the marina. With the wind and > someone > on the other side of the dock, I didn???t think it would be possible for > me to > manhandle the boat around pointing out the alley. Not really knowing how > to > do a pivot turn, I backed all the way out including the two 90 degree > turns > to the intercostal waterway. I sailed for 3 hours fumbling around at times > for sure, but made it back alive and didn???t ram anyone???s boat. > > With a full main and the 175 Genoa unfurled I had the rail almost in the > water once and showed a gps speed of a little over 8 mph (I haven???t > reset my > instrument to knots yet). I just looked at the current and wind history > for > the time I was out between 3:00 and 6:00 and I had a 1 knot current > helping > me when I was doing 8 mph. Winds were fairly consistent at a little over > 10 > with gusts to 14 knots. 8 mph is 6.95. Subtracting the 1 kt current help, > I > think I might have being doing hull speed of close to 6 kts briefly. > > Solo sailing I did find myself wishing the cleats to hold the Genoa sheets > were angled more toward the center of the cockpit. The cleat on the port > is > straight fore and aft. The one on the starboard is angled maybe 30 degrees > in. When I was sitting on the windward side and wanted to adjust the sheet > on the lee (especially the port cleat), I would have to lean way over to > that side to release the cleat. Is this normal and something I???ll get > used > to? Has anyone angled their cleats in to make them easier to release > without > leaning over to that side? > > George > S/V Knotty Lady > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From retiredtoby at gmail.com Mon Sep 23 22:12:02 2019 From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 22:12:02 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes22 In-Reply-To: <1569289870394-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1569152581769-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1569271912724-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1569289870394-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: George, like you with trials over time and sailing solo most of the time. I discovered that pulling the leeward line across the cockpit and use the windward winch and cleat. Since I am normally seated on the windward gunnel it much easier to make adjustments. Understand that the line is still wrapped around the winch on the leeward side as well. I hope this is helpful, but maybe confusing. My description is lacking. In person it would be very simple. The best thing about learning the art of sailing is that it requires a lot of practice which is a great excuse to be out on the water with your boat. Cary Tolbert S/V Whisper On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 9:44 PM Gmorganflier wrote: > Thanks to everyone for your words of encouragement and advice on maybe > cleaning my carb. > > On Saturday when my buddy and I went out for my second ever sail and my > first time launching at the Southport marina ramp, we were able to turn the > boat 180 degrees by hand around the end of the dock before starting out in > forward going out the narrow alley with two tight 90 degree turns leading > to > the ICW. > > Today I went on my first solo sail, my third time sailing. It must have > been > amusing for anyone watching me leave the marina. With the wind and someone > on the other side of the dock, I didn?t think it would be possible for me > to > manhandle the boat around pointing out the alley. Not really knowing how to > do a pivot turn, I backed all the way out including the two 90 degree turns > to the intercostal waterway. I sailed for 3 hours fumbling around at times > for sure, but made it back alive and didn?t ram anyone?s boat. > > With a full main and the 175 Genoa unfurled I had the rail almost in the > water once and showed a gps speed of a little over 8 mph (I haven?t reset > my > instrument to knots yet). I just looked at the current and wind history for > the time I was out between 3:00 and 6:00 and I had a 1 knot current helping > me when I was doing 8 mph. Winds were fairly consistent at a little over 10 > with gusts to 14 knots. 8 mph is 6.95. Subtracting the 1 kt current help, I > think I might have being doing hull speed of close to 6 kts briefly. > > Solo sailing I did find myself wishing the cleats to hold the Genoa sheets > were angled more toward the center of the cockpit. The cleat on the port is > straight fore and aft. The one on the starboard is angled maybe 30 degrees > in. When I was sitting on the windward side and wanted to adjust the sheet > on the lee (especially the port cleat), I would have to lean way over to > that side to release the cleat. Is this normal and something I?ll get used > to? Has anyone angled their cleats in to make them easier to release > without > leaning over to that side? > > George > S/V Knotty Lady > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com Mon Sep 23 22:34:42 2019 From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 19:34:42 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes22 In-Reply-To: References: <1569152581769-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1569271912724-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1569289870394-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1569292482635-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Cary and Jerry, Thanks for the technique of bringing the lee sheet over to the windward winch and cleating it there. What do you do with the windward sheet? George -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From talbotdavid50 at gmail.com Mon Sep 23 23:01:02 2019 From: talbotdavid50 at gmail.com (David Talbot) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 23:01:02 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes22 In-Reply-To: <1569292482635-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1569152581769-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1569271912724-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1569289870394-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1569292482635-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Go slowly in marina and have your crew at the bow Can always rig it like a tugboat with used tires as well Agree with motor comments and never put ethanol in an outboard motor On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 10:27 PM, Gmorganflier wrote: > Cary and Jerry, > > Thanks for the technique of bringing the lee sheet over to the windward > winch and cleating it there. What do you do with the windward sheet? > > George > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From retiredtoby at gmail.com Tue Sep 24 00:14:33 2019 From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 00:14:33 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes22 In-Reply-To: References: <1569152581769-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1569271912724-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1569289870394-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1569292482635-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: George, I leave the jib lines in place but free of cleats. The sheets stay in place. I use the over lay on top of existing lines. Cary On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 11:01 PM David Talbot wrote: > Go slowly in marina and have your crew at the bow > Can always rig it like a tugboat with used tires as well > Agree with motor comments and never put ethanol in an outboard motor > > On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 10:27 PM, Gmorganflier > wrote: > > > Cary and Jerry, > > > > Thanks for the technique of bringing the lee sheet over to the windward > > winch and cleating it there. What do you do with the windward sheet? > > > > George > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > From ric at stottarchitecture.com Tue Sep 24 09:41:11 2019 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 09:41:11 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes22 In-Reply-To: References: <1569152581769-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1569271912724-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1569289870394-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1569292482635-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <50A0EB5C-CF21-490E-9A74-CC29E82ADD96@stottarchitecture.com> When solo sailing I often run the jib sheet with one wrap around the winch, then over to the windward side with 3/4 turn on the windward side winch. Then the jib sheet is easily reachable from the weather rail. It has further advantage of using that set up for leverage to tri in the last few inches by pulling the line between the two winches and taking or the slack on the weather side. Ric sv Dadventure Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP www.stottarchitecture.com Office 631-283-1777 Cell 516-965-3164 > On Sep 24, 2019, at 12:14 AM, Cary Tolbert wrote: > > George, I leave the jib lines in place but free of cleats. The sheets stay > in place. I use the over lay on top of existing lines. > Cary > > On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 11:01 PM David Talbot > wrote: > >> Go slowly in marina and have your crew at the bow >> Can always rig it like a tugboat with used tires as well >> Agree with motor comments and never put ethanol in an outboard motor >> >> On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 10:27 PM, Gmorganflier >> wrote: >> >>> Cary and Jerry, >>> >>> Thanks for the technique of bringing the lee sheet over to the windward >>> winch and cleating it there. What do you do with the windward sheet? >>> >>> George >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >>> >> From michael.4591 at gmail.com Tue Sep 24 09:54:24 2019 From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 09:54:24 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water tank by Rubbermaid? In-Reply-To: <1568827952494-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1568827952494-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: I did have one on my 99 Rhodes till I had the factory upgraded it some 10 yrs later to a tank similar to classacustoms mentioned previously. If I recall correctly the rubbermaid tank started leaking near one of the fittings. Mike Corley S/V Ranger Hampton Roads On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 1:26 PM JP Dempsey wrote: > Do any of you Rhodes have a converted Rubbermaid storage container for a > water tank? > > > > ----- > JP Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Marshall,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From michael.4591 at gmail.com Tue Sep 24 10:26:23 2019 From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 10:26:23 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cockpit cushions In-Reply-To: <2A0B2709-0CB2-4679-8B1E-F4E9759586D9@sunnybeeches.com> References: <1568754852675-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <2A0B2709-0CB2-4679-8B1E-F4E9759586D9@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: I have only seen the Rhodes cockpit cushions in sets of three; port, starboard and stern. I think just about all cockpit cushions float although I have never actually tried to float on one. Part of my man overboard (MOB) drill is to throw them overboard to create debri field to make person easier to find. I am interested in replacing or recovering my 20 yr old cockpit cushions this winter. The cushion itself looks to be in pretty good shape, so I am hoping they just need recovering. Please keep us posted. Mike Corley S/V Ranger (99) Hampton Roads On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 5:41 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > I don?t recall this company being mentioned before. I went to their > website out of curiosity. On finding the details for cushions for the > Rhodes 22, I noticed that the set is 4. I?ve only got 3. I?m not sure > what a 4 cushion configuration would look like. Maybe it?s just a glitch > in their database. > > If you follow up on this, please keep us posted. > > Thanks, > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > On Sep 17, 2019, at 5:14 PM, Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > The local sailboat shop recommended C Cushions Inc. < > http://ccushions.com/> > > as a source of cockpit cushions due to their durability and ease of > keeping > > clean. Apparently they don't absorb water and float if they go > overboard. > > They have patterns for all kinds of boats, including a Rhodes 22 > Continental > > pattern. Due to the curved lines of the R22, I am a little nervous about > > pattern fit. Just curious if anyone had any experience with cockpit > > cushions from there. I didn't see any reference to ccushions in past > posts > > on this list. > > > > I also emailed Stan to see if new/used cockpit cushions are available > from > > GB. > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > From Colealexander at hotmail.com Tue Sep 24 12:21:41 2019 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 09:21:41 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan, if you are lurking In-Reply-To: <919832d8-11d6-117f-e9b5-2f3f5a7beb1f@generalboats.com> References: <1569247263098-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1da73e8b-985f-266d-d8d1-1619190041c5@generalboats.com> <1569271591555-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <919832d8-11d6-117f-e9b5-2f3f5a7beb1f@generalboats.com> Message-ID: <1569342101191-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Stan, I told you you'd have my business as long as the certificate of support is honored. I understand you are crazy busy at the moment with the boat show. Best of luck, as always. If you have a premade cheek, I'd love it. Let me know. Otherwise I will check with a local metal shop and see if they can fabricate cheeks out of stainless or even aluminum (fresh water). Since the lake was full of white caps I thoroughly checked standing rigging and rudder position before leaving dock. It usually steers with a couple fingers. My theory is plastic eating termites. Alex ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From cknell at vt.edu Tue Sep 24 13:21:40 2019 From: cknell at vt.edu (Chris on LBI) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 10:21:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes22 In-Reply-To: <1569289870394-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1569152581769-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1569271912724-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1569289870394-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1569345700197-0.post@n5.nabble.com> George, With regard to cleaning the carb: I was experiencing a similar problem (stalling at low rpm) this year after not having had it happen the previous two years (when I bought the boat used). After 2.5 seasons, when the gas in the tank ran low, I went to fill it at a local marina. I mentioned the stalling problem to a technician; the first question he asked was "How old is the gas?" When I told him at least 3 years old he chuckled and explained that here in NJ we have about 15% ethanol in our gas (from gas stations and marinas). He said that the octane of the ethanol gas drops rapidly over time and that this would explain the inability of the engine to keep running at low speeds. I tested the engine earlier today with the new tank of gas. The problem seems cured. With regard to your first solo sail: I predict that you will have a successful sailing career based on this start. I've been sailing various boats for many years and am sure that I would fumble at times sailing my Rhodes solo in the conditions that you describe. You've learned well. Have fun and, as others have said, continue to learn. Backing a sailboat is a good skill to have. I did not learn the skill until my 30th year of sailing (my previous sailboats never had engines). Under some very windy conditions in tight quarters, it is the only safe way to drive a sailboat. Chris ----- Long Beach Island -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com Thu Sep 26 13:18:54 2019 From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 13:18:54 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fuel for storage Message-ID: If you rarely use your iron genny consider buying this for reliability when needed. Bob (Palatka) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_1703.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 293845 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- From tvpolise at aol.com Thu Sep 26 13:23:29 2019 From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 13:23:29 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 1993/2008 rhodes 22 LBI Message-ID: <57EB357A-6835-4870-96D0-5F7CCB58F56C@aol.com> I have a 1993 Rhodes 22 refurbished 2008 by GB for sale. Blue hull/ 9.9 3 yr old Yamaha OB. All cushions + cockpit canopy. In water. No trailer. Asking $8,500. Sent from my iPhone From retiredtoby at gmail.com Thu Sep 26 13:29:56 2019 From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 13:29:56 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fuel for storage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: WOW Bob, that's $14.21 per gallon. "PURE" (brand of gas) is only about sixty cents per gallon more than the cheap brands locally. There are more brands with out ethanol. On line you can find the brands by state and locations in the state. Cary S/V Whisper On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 1:19 PM Goodness wrote: > If you rarely use your iron genny consider buying this for reliability > when needed. > > Bob (Palatka) > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_1703.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 293845 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190926/943a61a7/attachment.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > From snstaum at gmail.com Thu Sep 26 14:35:06 2019 From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 14:35:06 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 1993/2008 rhodes 22 LBI In-Reply-To: <57EB357A-6835-4870-96D0-5F7CCB58F56C@aol.com> References: <57EB357A-6835-4870-96D0-5F7CCB58F56C@aol.com> Message-ID: Where are you located? On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 1:23 PM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > I have a 1993 Rhodes 22 refurbished 2008 by GB for sale. Blue hull/ 9.9 3 > yr old Yamaha OB. All cushions + cockpit canopy. In water. No trailer. > Asking $8,500. > > Sent from my iPhone > -- Stephen Staum Pariser Industries, Inc. From rlowe at vt.edu Thu Sep 26 14:52:16 2019 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 18:52:16 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fuel for storage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Agreed, it is expensive. But I keep a can on hand on my boat in case of emergencies. It's also what I use in my chain saw anymore as it's portable and my saw sees infrequent use. - rob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Cary Tolbert Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 1:30 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fuel for storage WOW Bob, that's $14.21 per gallon. "PURE" (brand of gas) is only about sixty cents per gallon more than the cheap brands locally. There are more brands with out ethanol. On line you can find the brands by state and locations in the state. Cary S/V Whisper On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 1:19 PM Goodness wrote: > If you rarely use your iron genny consider buying this for reliability > when needed. > > Bob (Palatka) > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > scrubbed... > Name: IMG_1703.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 293845 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190926/943a6 > 1a7/attachment.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > From jason_q at jasonquick.com Thu Sep 26 15:00:00 2019 From: jason_q at jasonquick.com (Jason Quick) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 15:00:00 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fuel for storage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I experimented with recycling those cans to keep a little extra pre-mixed fuel for my 2-stroke on the boat. They didn't hold up against the moist environment as well as I'd hoped and I ended up just switching to a high-quality 1 gallon gas can after they began to rust away. --Jason On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 2:52 PM Lowe, Rob wrote: > Agreed, it is expensive. But I keep a can on hand on my boat in case of > emergencies. It's also what I use in my chain saw anymore as it's portable > and my saw sees infrequent use. - rob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Cary Tolbert > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 1:30 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fuel for storage > > WOW Bob, that's $14.21 per gallon. "PURE" (brand of gas) is only about > sixty cents per gallon more than the cheap brands locally. > There are more brands with out ethanol. On line you can find the brands by > state and locations in the state. > Cary > S/V Whisper > > On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 1:19 PM Goodness wrote: > > > If you rarely use your iron genny consider buying this for reliability > > when needed. > > > > Bob (Palatka) > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_1703.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 293845 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190926/943a6 > > 1a7/attachment.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > > From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Thu Sep 26 16:38:52 2019 From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 16:38:52 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fuel for storage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <863bfa1e-5f5c-48ab-96f0-b481404cfe72@atlanticbb.net> Or you can just get ethanol free fuel if it is available in your area. This site is usually pretty up-to-date. https://www.pure-gas.org/ It's hard to find in Maryland. We have to travel about about 50 miles by land or 45 miles by water for it.? When we had the R22, our Yamaha ran so much better when we switched to ethanol free. It was like night and day. The power boat has never run on anything else and we have been willing to go out of our way to keep it that way. Also keep some on hand for the lawn mower. Mary Lou ex R22 now Rosborough RF-245? Tara On 9/26/2019 1:18 PM, Goodness wrote: > If you rarely use your iron genny consider buying this for reliability when needed. > > Bob (Palatka) > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_1703.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 293845 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From boendert at me.com Thu Sep 26 16:49:24 2019 From: boendert at me.com (Theodore Boender) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 16:49:24 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fuel for storage In-Reply-To: <863bfa1e-5f5c-48ab-96f0-b481404cfe72@atlanticbb.net> References: <863bfa1e-5f5c-48ab-96f0-b481404cfe72@atlanticbb.net> Message-ID: <601916C6-091D-4583-919A-A52F5D7D3D1C@me.com> Ethanol free is readily available in Jax. All marinas and gas stations near boat ramps have it. Cheers, Ted Formally S/V AIRPOWER 1991/2013 R22 Jacksonville, FL > On Sep 26, 2019, at 4:39 PM, Mary Lou Troy wrote: > > ?Or you can just get ethanol free fuel if it is available in your area. > > This site is usually pretty up-to-date. > https://www.pure-gas.org/ > > It's hard to find in Maryland. We have to travel about about 50 miles by land or 45 miles by water for it. When we had the R22, our Yamaha ran so much better when we switched to ethanol free. It was like night and day. The power boat has never run on anything else and we have been willing to go out of our way to keep it that way. Also keep some on hand for the lawn mower. > > Mary Lou > ex R22 > now Rosborough RF-245 Tara > >> On 9/26/2019 1:18 PM, Goodness wrote: >> If you rarely use your iron genny consider buying this for reliability when needed. >> >> Bob (Palatka) >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: IMG_1703.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 293845 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: >> -------------- next part -------------- >> >> > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > From rodellner at mac.com Thu Sep 26 17:22:00 2019 From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 16:22:00 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fuel for storage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44CAA6CF-C609-4B03-9C58-64428561188F@mac.com> Try sea foam gas treatment and disconnect gas line and let the engine burn the gas out of the motor. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 26, 2019, at 2:00 PM, Jason Quick wrote: > > I experimented with recycling those cans to keep a little extra pre-mixed > fuel for my 2-stroke on the boat. They didn't hold up against the moist > environment as well as I'd hoped and I ended up just switching to a > high-quality 1 gallon gas can after they began to rust away. > > --Jason > >> On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 2:52 PM Lowe, Rob wrote: >> >> Agreed, it is expensive. But I keep a can on hand on my boat in case of >> emergencies. It's also what I use in my chain saw anymore as it's portable >> and my saw sees infrequent use. - rob >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of >> Cary Tolbert >> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2019 1:30 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fuel for storage >> >> WOW Bob, that's $14.21 per gallon. "PURE" (brand of gas) is only about >> sixty cents per gallon more than the cheap brands locally. >> There are more brands with out ethanol. On line you can find the brands by >> state and locations in the state. >> Cary >> S/V Whisper >> >>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 1:19 PM Goodness wrote: >>> >>> If you rarely use your iron genny consider buying this for reliability >>> when needed. >>> >>> Bob (Palatka) >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was >>> scrubbed... >>> Name: IMG_1703.jpg >>> Type: image/jpeg >>> Size: 293845 bytes >>> Desc: not available >>> URL: < >>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190926/943a6 >>> 1a7/attachment.jpg >>>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> >>> >> From gfelix1 at gmail.com Fri Sep 27 11:07:13 2019 From: gfelix1 at gmail.com (Gary Felix) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 11:07:13 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Lift Failure and Repair Message-ID: About a month ago, I discovered that the motor lift on my R22 would not raise the motor to the up position. It would lower the motor without problem. However, with hurricane Dorian approaching with the possible need move the boat from its lift to its trailer, a motor in the fully lowered position was a problem. I quickly was over my head in electrical troubleshooting, so I called Warn, the manufacturer of the 1700 winch used for the lift. Their support team suspected a solenoid problem in the control unit that is installed with a strap to the winch motor itself. The Warn 1700 is a discontinued model. It has been replaced by the Warn 92000, which I ordered from Amazon for $99. I elected to use a mobile marine service to do the contortions needed to work on the winch in the lazerette. By running jumper cables from the battery directly to the terminals on the winch motor (bypassing the control unit), it was determined that the motor operated without issues in both the up and down directions, depending on which polarity was applied to which terminal. We decided to leave the motor from the 1700 and install only the control unit and remote from the 92000. I should mention that the old remote appeared to have different pin configurations than the new, so the new remote was used. The one catch was that the plastic housing of the new control unit was shaped differently that the old. It could not be installed with the strap around the motor because the port cockpit drain was in the way. The control unit was cable tied in place next to the motor. I've attached pics of the old installation and the new one, in hopes that this may help others who run into this problem. Gary Panacea, FL -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Image4363828007286999448.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 159497 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Their support team suspected a solenoid problem in the > control unit that is installed with a strap to the winch motor itself. > > The Warn 1700 is a discontinued model. It has been replaced by the Warn > 92000, which I ordered from Amazon for $99. I elected to use a mobile > marine service to do the contortions needed to work on the winch in the > lazerette. By running jumper cables from the battery directly to the > terminals on the winch motor (bypassing the control unit), it was > determined that the motor operated without issues in both the up and down > directions, depending on which polarity was applied to which terminal. We > decided to leave the motor from the 1700 and install only the control unit > and remote from the 92000. I should mention that the old remote appeared to > have different pin configurations than the new, so the new remote was used. > The one catch was that the plastic housing of the new control unit was > shaped differently that the old. It could not be installed with the strap > around the motor because the port cockpit drain was in the way. The control > unit was cable tied in place next to the motor. > > I've attached pics of the old installation and the new one, in hopes that > this may help others who run into this problem. > > Gary > Panacea, FL > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Image4363828007286999448.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 159497 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190927/cfc6344e/attachment.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Image3828094124026263432.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 184019 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190927/cfc6344e/attachment-0001.jpg > > > From mitchpadl at gmail.com Sat Sep 28 07:45:18 2019 From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 07:45:18 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes and leaks! Message-ID: Well, I bought my Rhodes 22 (1990) about a year ago and finally got it out for the first real sail yesterday. After reading Thomas's post I felt I had been wimping out waiting for the perfect conditions! anyway, the original forecast was 10 - 15 but of course it was a steady 20 with gusts higher. The boat sailed great (mostly with just the mainsail) however upon returning to the ramp and loading the boat back on the trailer I noticed the carpet wet in the cabin and pulled it back and looked in the sump area and it was full of water. After bailing about 10 gallons we took the boat home and now need to figure out the problem. Hopefully someone can direct me on how to troubleshoot. The boat was heeled over quite a bit for most of the time so wondering if water could have been forced through the sink drain and the other opening since I would imagine the hoses to those are dry rotted on the inside. Thanks for any suggestions! Mitch From ccowie at cowieassociates.com Sat Sep 28 07:54:39 2019 From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 11:54:39 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes and leaks! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The sink hose and lazarret hose should be easy to inspect and test. Sometimes the centerboard cap leaks and the gasket would then need to be replaced. Please note our new office address and phone number Christopher P. Cowie [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] 700 N Fairfax Street Suite 304 Alexandria, Virginia 22314 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] [cid:image001.jpg at 01D24014.7A2D04E0] Please consider the environment before printing this email. On Sep 28, 2019, at 7:45 AM, Mitch Mitchell > wrote: Well, I bought my Rhodes 22 (1990) about a year ago and finally got it out for the first real sail yesterday. After reading Thomas's post I felt I had been wimping out waiting for the perfect conditions! anyway, the original forecast was 10 - 15 but of course it was a steady 20 with gusts higher. The boat sailed great (mostly with just the mainsail) however upon returning to the ramp and loading the boat back on the trailer I noticed the carpet wet in the cabin and pulled it back and looked in the sump area and it was full of water. After bailing about 10 gallons we took the boat home and now need to figure out the problem. Hopefully someone can direct me on how to troubleshoot. The boat was heeled over quite a bit for most of the time so wondering if water could have been forced through the sink drain and the other opening since I would imagine the hoses to those are dry rotted on the inside. Thanks for any suggestions! Mitch From rbeytagh at gmail.com Sat Sep 28 08:50:35 2019 From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (Richard Beytagh) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 08:50:35 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes and leaks! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Was the bilge dry before you went out? It seems like an obvious question, but sometimes rain water can collect in the bilge. ~~~ _/) ~~~ Richard Beytagh Phone: 828 337 0180 On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 7:45 AM Mitch Mitchell wrote: > Well, I bought my Rhodes 22 (1990) about a year ago and finally got it out > for the first real sail yesterday. After reading Thomas's post I felt I had > been wimping out waiting for the perfect conditions! anyway, the original > forecast was 10 - 15 but of course it was a steady 20 with gusts higher. > The boat sailed great (mostly with just the mainsail) however upon > returning to the ramp and loading the boat back on the trailer I noticed > the carpet wet in the cabin and pulled it back and looked in the sump area > and it was full of water. After bailing about 10 gallons we took the boat > home and now need to figure out the problem. Hopefully someone can direct > me on how to troubleshoot. The boat was heeled over quite a bit for most of > the time so wondering if water could have been forced through the sink > drain and the other opening since I would imagine the hoses to those are > dry rotted on the inside. Thanks for any suggestions! Mitch > From mitchpadl at gmail.com Sat Sep 28 09:01:52 2019 From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 09:01:52 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes and leaks! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Chris, I did just check out the hoses and although old and brittle I did not see any evidence of a leak. Looks like it must be the centerboard gasket. I'll do a little research on how to replace that. MM On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 7:54 AM Chris Cowie wrote: > The sink hose and lazarret hose should be easy to inspect and test. > Sometimes the centerboard cap leaks and the gasket would then need to be > replaced. > > > Please note our new office address and phone number > > Christopher P. Cowie [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] > [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] > > 700 N Fairfax Street > Suite 304 > Alexandria, Virginia 22314 > 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 > mobile > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] > > [cid:image001.jpg at 01D24014.7A2D04E0] > > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > > On Sep 28, 2019, at 7:45 AM, Mitch Mitchell mitchpadl at gmail.com>> wrote: > > Well, I bought my Rhodes 22 (1990) about a year ago and finally got it out > for the first real sail yesterday. After reading Thomas's post I felt I had > been wimping out waiting for the perfect conditions! anyway, the original > forecast was 10 - 15 but of course it was a steady 20 with gusts higher. > The boat sailed great (mostly with just the mainsail) however upon > returning to the ramp and loading the boat back on the trailer I noticed > the carpet wet in the cabin and pulled it back and looked in the sump area > and it was full of water. After bailing about 10 gallons we took the boat > home and now need to figure out the problem. Hopefully someone can direct > me on how to troubleshoot. The boat was heeled over quite a bit for most of > the time so wondering if water could have been forced through the sink > drain and the other opening since I would imagine the hoses to those are > dry rotted on the inside. Thanks for any suggestions! Mitch > From jerry.keybl at gmail.com Sat Sep 28 09:21:18 2019 From: jerry.keybl at gmail.com (jerry.keybl) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 06:21:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Preventing bow damage when trailering Message-ID: <1569676878300-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I am planning to pull my boat this weekend and was hoping your collective wisdom could help. When I purchased my boat earlier this year, I managed to damage the bow while trailering it. Basically bumps in the road caused the bow to come down on the 'bow stop' and I have some gelcoat damage to repair during the off season. Do you guys have strategies for preventing bow movement? I was already using tiedown straps, but they didn't seem to help. Thanks, Jerry PS any tips for repairing gelcoat? -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From rbeytagh at gmail.com Sat Sep 28 10:29:36 2019 From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (Richard Beytagh) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 10:29:36 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Preventing bow damage when trailering In-Reply-To: <1569676878300-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1569676878300-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: I always leave about 6-8" gap between the bow and the bow-stop. As long as you don't have too much much weight on the back you should be okay. ~~~ _/) ~~~ Richard Beytagh Phone: 828 337 0180 On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 9:13 AM jerry.keybl wrote: > I am planning to pull my boat this weekend and was hoping your collective > wisdom could help. > > When I purchased my boat earlier this year, I managed to damage the bow > while trailering it. Basically bumps in the road caused the bow to come > down on the 'bow stop' and I have some gelcoat damage to repair during the > off season. > > Do you guys have strategies for preventing bow movement? I was already > using > tiedown straps, but they didn't seem to help. > > Thanks, > Jerry > > PS any tips for repairing gelcoat? > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Sat Sep 28 11:11:50 2019 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 11:11:50 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Preventing bow damage when trailering In-Reply-To: <1569676878300-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1569676878300-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Jerry, I have an adjustable bow stop that slides right up to my bow and locks in place. With the winch strap tight and locked, there is no movement at all. Check with Stan if you need a better bow post on your trailer. On Sat, Sep 28, 2019, 9:13 AM jerry.keybl wrote: > I am planning to pull my boat this weekend and was hoping your collective > wisdom could help. > > When I purchased my boat earlier this year, I managed to damage the bow > while trailering it. Basically bumps in the road caused the bow to come > down on the 'bow stop' and I have some gelcoat damage to repair during the > off season. > > Do you guys have strategies for preventing bow movement? I was already > using > tiedown straps, but they didn't seem to help. > > Thanks, > Jerry > > PS any tips for repairing gelcoat? > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From retiredtoby at gmail.com Sat Sep 28 11:18:01 2019 From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 11:18:01 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Preventing bow damage when trailering In-Reply-To: References: <1569676878300-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Photos of your trailer would be helpful for the list members. Not all Rhodes 22's have the trailers built for the Rhodes. On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 11:12 AM Rick Lange wrote: > Jerry, I have an adjustable bow stop that slides right up to my bow and > locks in place. With the winch strap tight and locked, there is no movement > at all. Check with Stan if you need a better bow post on your trailer. > > On Sat, Sep 28, 2019, 9:13 AM jerry.keybl wrote: > > > I am planning to pull my boat this weekend and was hoping your collective > > wisdom could help. > > > > When I purchased my boat earlier this year, I managed to damage the bow > > while trailering it. Basically bumps in the road caused the bow to come > > down on the 'bow stop' and I have some gelcoat damage to repair during > the > > off season. > > > > Do you guys have strategies for preventing bow movement? I was already > > using > > tiedown straps, but they didn't seem to help. > > > > Thanks, > > Jerry > > > > PS any tips for repairing gelcoat? > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > From mitchpadl at gmail.com Sat Sep 28 11:28:31 2019 From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 11:28:31 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes and leaks! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nothing can be too obvious for me haha. I did not check it before going out but I had checked it once before after it had been out in the elements for a while and it was dry. Thanks. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 28, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Richard Beytagh wrote: > > Was the bilge dry before you went out? It seems like an obvious question, > but sometimes rain water can collect in the bilge. > > > ~~~ _/) ~~~ > > Richard Beytagh > Phone: 828 337 0180 > > >> On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 7:45 AM Mitch Mitchell wrote: >> >> Well, I bought my Rhodes 22 (1990) about a year ago and finally got it out >> for the first real sail yesterday. After reading Thomas's post I felt I had >> been wimping out waiting for the perfect conditions! anyway, the original >> forecast was 10 - 15 but of course it was a steady 20 with gusts higher. >> The boat sailed great (mostly with just the mainsail) however upon >> returning to the ramp and loading the boat back on the trailer I noticed >> the carpet wet in the cabin and pulled it back and looked in the sump area >> and it was full of water. After bailing about 10 gallons we took the boat >> home and now need to figure out the problem. Hopefully someone can direct >> me on how to troubleshoot. The boat was heeled over quite a bit for most of >> the time so wondering if water could have been forced through the sink >> drain and the other opening since I would imagine the hoses to those are >> dry rotted on the inside. Thanks for any suggestions! Mitch >> From jerry.keybl at gmail.com Sat Sep 28 11:39:19 2019 From: jerry.keybl at gmail.com (jerry.keybl) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 08:39:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Preventing bow damage when trailering In-Reply-To: References: <1569676878300-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1569685159766-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Sure! Here is the damage and trailer. -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Sat Sep 28 11:33:16 2019 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 11:33:16 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Preventing bow damage when trailering In-Reply-To: References: <1569676878300-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: https://www.triadtrailers.com/triad-trailer-gallery/sailboat-trailers/triad-trailers-under-24-feet/triad-trailersrhodes-22/ On Sat, Sep 28, 2019, 11:18 AM Cary Tolbert wrote: > Photos of your trailer would be helpful for the list members. Not all > Rhodes 22's have the trailers built for the Rhodes. > > On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 11:12 AM Rick Lange > wrote: > > > Jerry, I have an adjustable bow stop that slides right up to my bow and > > locks in place. With the winch strap tight and locked, there is no > movement > > at all. Check with Stan if you need a better bow post on your trailer. > > > > On Sat, Sep 28, 2019, 9:13 AM jerry.keybl wrote: > > > > > I am planning to pull my boat this weekend and was hoping your > collective > > > wisdom could help. > > > > > > When I purchased my boat earlier this year, I managed to damage the bow > > > while trailering it. Basically bumps in the road caused the bow to > come > > > down on the 'bow stop' and I have some gelcoat damage to repair during > > the > > > off season. > > > > > > Do you guys have strategies for preventing bow movement? I was already > > > using > > > tiedown straps, but they didn't seem to help. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Jerry > > > > > > PS any tips for repairing gelcoat? > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > > > > From alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com Sat Sep 28 11:45:26 2019 From: alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com (Alexis Seigneurin) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 15:45:26 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes and leaks! In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Interestingly, I noticed something fairly similar when coming back from a sail last weekend. My bilge has been bone dry the whole season, but after this sail, I removed half a gallon from the bilge. This water was yellow-ish, which made me think it could have been from water standing in foam somewhere (underneath the cockpit?), and the excessive heeling could have released the water from some cavities. Not sure if this is possible. The other option I have is a faulty rub rail. I don?t think I ever sailed with this much heeling before, and I am wondering if water could find its way between the hull and the deck. I?m not sure if this would explain the yellow color though. Alexis Alexis ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Mitch Mitchell Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 11:28 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes and leaks! Nothing can be too obvious for me haha. I did not check it before going out but I had checked it once before after it had been out in the elements for a while and it was dry. Thanks. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 28, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Richard Beytagh wrote: > > Was the bilge dry before you went out? It seems like an obvious question, > but sometimes rain water can collect in the bilge. > > > ~~~ _/) ~~~ > > Richard Beytagh > Phone: 828 337 0180 > > >> On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 7:45 AM Mitch Mitchell wrote: >> >> Well, I bought my Rhodes 22 (1990) about a year ago and finally got it out >> for the first real sail yesterday. After reading Thomas's post I felt I had >> been wimping out waiting for the perfect conditions! anyway, the original >> forecast was 10 - 15 but of course it was a steady 20 with gusts higher. >> The boat sailed great (mostly with just the mainsail) however upon >> returning to the ramp and loading the boat back on the trailer I noticed >> the carpet wet in the cabin and pulled it back and looked in the sump area >> and it was full of water. After bailing about 10 gallons we took the boat >> home and now need to figure out the problem. Hopefully someone can direct >> me on how to troubleshoot. The boat was heeled over quite a bit for most of >> the time so wondering if water could have been forced through the sink >> drain and the other opening since I would imagine the hoses to those are >> dry rotted on the inside. Thanks for any suggestions! Mitch >> From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com Sat Sep 28 12:12:26 2019 From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 12:12:26 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes and leaks! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DC07B06-2748-4A46-9AB9-F24BF40B127F@gmail.com> When heeled over the Rub rails leak like a sieve! The silicone caulk only lasts 5 years (less in salt water). Dig it all out and replace with sikaflex. Or 3M 4000 or 4200 (not 5200 unless you are seperating the hull and deck in which case you wont be able to ever again)?? Heeling hard over will wash down the interior walls and get some rinsings from the wood.(yellow water color) The sink drain and bilge pump hose tie in together on most boats i have seen so put a valve in and close it before sailing or install a check valve (less effective). Some boats feflux from that starboard through hull. Another source of on trailer leaks occurs when the tongue is jacked up and water comes in over the aft hatch... There are volumes in the archives on all of this. Its a leaky boat design with to my count 21 points of entry for water. Comfort and gee whiz comes at a cost. Reminds me of jack sparrow quote...?stop blowing holes in my boat!!? > On Sep 28, 2019, at 11:45 AM, Alexis Seigneurin wrote: > > Interestingly, I noticed something fairly similar when coming back from a sail last weekend. My bilge has been bone dry the whole season, but after this sail, I removed half a gallon from the bilge. > > This water was yellow-ish, which made me think it could have been from water standing in foam somewhere (underneath the cockpit?), and the excessive heeling could have released the water from some cavities. Not sure if this is possible. > > The other option I have is a faulty rub rail. I don?t think I ever sailed with this much heeling before, and I am wondering if water could find its way between the hull and the deck. I?m not sure if this would explain the yellow color though. > > Alexis > > Alexis > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Mitch Mitchell > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 11:28 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes and leaks! > > Nothing can be too obvious for me haha. I did not check it before going out but I had checked it once before after it had been out in the elements for a while and it was dry. Thanks. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 28, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Richard Beytagh wrote: >> >> Was the bilge dry before you went out? It seems like an obvious question, >> but sometimes rain water can collect in the bilge. >> >> >> ~~~ _/) ~~~ >> >> Richard Beytagh >> Phone: 828 337 0180 >> >> >>> On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 7:45 AM Mitch Mitchell wrote: >>> >>> Well, I bought my Rhodes 22 (1990) about a year ago and finally got it out >>> for the first real sail yesterday. After reading Thomas's post I felt I had >>> been wimping out waiting for the perfect conditions! anyway, the original >>> forecast was 10 - 15 but of course it was a steady 20 with gusts higher. >>> The boat sailed great (mostly with just the mainsail) however upon >>> returning to the ramp and loading the boat back on the trailer I noticed >>> the carpet wet in the cabin and pulled it back and looked in the sump area >>> and it was full of water. After bailing about 10 gallons we took the boat >>> home and now need to figure out the problem. Hopefully someone can direct >>> me on how to troubleshoot. The boat was heeled over quite a bit for most of >>> the time so wondering if water could have been forced through the sink >>> drain and the other opening since I would imagine the hoses to those are >>> dry rotted on the inside. Thanks for any suggestions! Mitch >>> From retiredtoby at gmail.com Sat Sep 28 12:18:57 2019 From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 12:18:57 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Preventing bow damage when trailering In-Reply-To: References: <1569676878300-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Jerry, it looks more like bad patches that were painted over rather than new damage. Then I could be wrong. You may want to invest in a book like Don Casey's "Sailboat Refinishing" or a similar book for your new baby. I don't think the damage was caused by the Triad Trailer. On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 11:33 AM Rick Lange wrote: > > https://www.triadtrailers.com/triad-trailer-gallery/sailboat-trailers/triad-trailers-under-24-feet/triad-trailersrhodes-22/ > > On Sat, Sep 28, 2019, 11:18 AM Cary Tolbert wrote: > > > Photos of your trailer would be helpful for the list members. Not all > > Rhodes 22's have the trailers built for the Rhodes. > > > > On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 11:12 AM Rick Lange > > wrote: > > > > > Jerry, I have an adjustable bow stop that slides right up to my bow and > > > locks in place. With the winch strap tight and locked, there is no > > movement > > > at all. Check with Stan if you need a better bow post on your trailer. > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 28, 2019, 9:13 AM jerry.keybl > wrote: > > > > > > > I am planning to pull my boat this weekend and was hoping your > > collective > > > > wisdom could help. > > > > > > > > When I purchased my boat earlier this year, I managed to damage the > bow > > > > while trailering it. Basically bumps in the road caused the bow to > > come > > > > down on the 'bow stop' and I have some gelcoat damage to repair > during > > > the > > > > off season. > > > > > > > > Do you guys have strategies for preventing bow movement? I was > already > > > > using > > > > tiedown straps, but they didn't seem to help. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jerry > > > > > > > > PS any tips for repairing gelcoat? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > > > > > > > > From mitchpadl at gmail.com Sat Sep 28 13:02:05 2019 From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 13:02:05 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes and leaks! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That?s interesting because I thought the water looked darker than expected but chalked it up to being after sunset. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 28, 2019, at 11:45 AM, Alexis Seigneurin wrote: > > Interestingly, I noticed something fairly similar when coming back from a sail last weekend. My bilge has been bone dry the whole season, but after this sail, I removed half a gallon from the bilge. > > This water was yellow-ish, which made me think it could have been from water standing in foam somewhere (underneath the cockpit?), and the excessive heeling could have released the water from some cavities. Not sure if this is possible. > > The other option I have is a faulty rub rail. I don?t think I ever sailed with this much heeling before, and I am wondering if water could find its way between the hull and the deck. I?m not sure if this would explain the yellow color though. > > Alexis > > Alexis > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Mitch Mitchell > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 11:28 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes and leaks! > > Nothing can be too obvious for me haha. I did not check it before going out but I had checked it once before after it had been out in the elements for a while and it was dry. Thanks. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 28, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Richard Beytagh wrote: >> >> Was the bilge dry before you went out? It seems like an obvious question, >> but sometimes rain water can collect in the bilge. >> >> >> ~~~ _/) ~~~ >> >> Richard Beytagh >> Phone: 828 337 0180 >> >> >>> On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 7:45 AM Mitch Mitchell wrote: >>> >>> Well, I bought my Rhodes 22 (1990) about a year ago and finally got it out >>> for the first real sail yesterday. After reading Thomas's post I felt I had >>> been wimping out waiting for the perfect conditions! anyway, the original >>> forecast was 10 - 15 but of course it was a steady 20 with gusts higher. >>> The boat sailed great (mostly with just the mainsail) however upon >>> returning to the ramp and loading the boat back on the trailer I noticed >>> the carpet wet in the cabin and pulled it back and looked in the sump area >>> and it was full of water. After bailing about 10 gallons we took the boat >>> home and now need to figure out the problem. Hopefully someone can direct >>> me on how to troubleshoot. The boat was heeled over quite a bit for most of >>> the time so wondering if water could have been forced through the sink >>> drain and the other opening since I would imagine the hoses to those are >>> dry rotted on the inside. Thanks for any suggestions! Mitch >>> From mitchpadl at gmail.com Sat Sep 28 13:07:17 2019 From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 13:07:17 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes and leaks! In-Reply-To: <4DC07B06-2748-4A46-9AB9-F24BF40B127F@gmail.com> References: <4DC07B06-2748-4A46-9AB9-F24BF40B127F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6D2039E1-F31A-4A1A-97D3-7A7BB09D5A06@gmail.com> Thanks for the info, I?ll definitely re-caulk and check for a valve. Would there be a way to check if the CB locker gasket leaked while it is on the trailer. I?ll check the archives as well. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 28, 2019, at 12:12 PM, Goodness wrote: > > When heeled over the Rub rails leak like a sieve! The silicone caulk only lasts 5 years (less in salt water). > Dig it all out and replace with sikaflex. Or 3M 4000 or 4200 (not 5200 unless you are seperating the hull and deck in which case you wont be able to ever again)?? > Heeling hard over will wash down the interior walls and get some rinsings from the wood.(yellow water color) > The sink drain and bilge pump hose tie in together on most boats i have seen so put a valve in and close it before sailing or install a check valve (less effective). Some boats feflux from that starboard through hull. > > Another source of on trailer leaks occurs when the tongue is jacked up and water comes in over the aft hatch... > There are volumes in the archives on all of this. Its a leaky boat design with to my count 21 points of entry for water. Comfort and gee whiz comes at a cost. Reminds me of jack sparrow quote...?stop blowing holes in my boat!!? > >> On Sep 28, 2019, at 11:45 AM, Alexis Seigneurin wrote: >> >> Interestingly, I noticed something fairly similar when coming back from a sail last weekend. My bilge has been bone dry the whole season, but after this sail, I removed half a gallon from the bilge. >> >> This water was yellow-ish, which made me think it could have been from water standing in foam somewhere (underneath the cockpit?), and the excessive heeling could have released the water from some cavities. Not sure if this is possible. >> >> The other option I have is a faulty rub rail. I don?t think I ever sailed with this much heeling before, and I am wondering if water could find its way between the hull and the deck. I?m not sure if this would explain the yellow color though. >> >> Alexis >> >> Alexis >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Mitch Mitchell >> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 11:28 AM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes and leaks! >> >> Nothing can be too obvious for me haha. I did not check it before going out but I had checked it once before after it had been out in the elements for a while and it was dry. Thanks. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 28, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Richard Beytagh wrote: >>> >>> Was the bilge dry before you went out? It seems like an obvious question, >>> but sometimes rain water can collect in the bilge. >>> >>> >>> ~~~ _/) ~~~ >>> >>> Richard Beytagh >>> Phone: 828 337 0180 >>> >>> >>>> On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 7:45 AM Mitch Mitchell wrote: >>>> >>>> Well, I bought my Rhodes 22 (1990) about a year ago and finally got it out >>>> for the first real sail yesterday. After reading Thomas's post I felt I had >>>> been wimping out waiting for the perfect conditions! anyway, the original >>>> forecast was 10 - 15 but of course it was a steady 20 with gusts higher. >>>> The boat sailed great (mostly with just the mainsail) however upon >>>> returning to the ramp and loading the boat back on the trailer I noticed >>>> the carpet wet in the cabin and pulled it back and looked in the sump area >>>> and it was full of water. After bailing about 10 gallons we took the boat >>>> home and now need to figure out the problem. Hopefully someone can direct >>>> me on how to troubleshoot. The boat was heeled over quite a bit for most of >>>> the time so wondering if water could have been forced through the sink >>>> drain and the other opening since I would imagine the hoses to those are >>>> dry rotted on the inside. Thanks for any suggestions! Mitch >>>> From rbeytagh at gmail.com Sat Sep 28 13:18:33 2019 From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (Richard Beytagh) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 13:18:33 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes and leaks! In-Reply-To: <6D2039E1-F31A-4A1A-97D3-7A7BB09D5A06@gmail.com> References: <4DC07B06-2748-4A46-9AB9-F24BF40B127F@gmail.com> <6D2039E1-F31A-4A1A-97D3-7A7BB09D5A06@gmail.com> Message-ID: Not really. I recently had to repair my center-board lid and the only way to check for leaks was to splash the boat, leave it on the trailer and check for leaks. ~~~ _/) ~~~ Richard Beytagh Phone: 828 337 0180 On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 1:07 PM Mitch Mitchell wrote: > Thanks for the info, I?ll definitely re-caulk and check for a valve. Would > there be a way to check if the CB locker gasket leaked while it is on the > trailer. I?ll check the archives as well. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 28, 2019, at 12:12 PM, Goodness wrote: > > > > When heeled over the Rub rails leak like a sieve! The silicone caulk > only lasts 5 years (less in salt water). > > Dig it all out and replace with sikaflex. Or 3M 4000 or 4200 (not 5200 > unless you are seperating the hull and deck in which case you wont be able > to ever again)?? > > Heeling hard over will wash down the interior walls and get some > rinsings from the wood.(yellow water color) > > The sink drain and bilge pump hose tie in together on most boats i have > seen so put a valve in and close it before sailing or install a check valve > (less effective). Some boats feflux from that starboard through hull. > > > > Another source of on trailer leaks occurs when the tongue is jacked up > and water comes in over the aft hatch... > > There are volumes in the archives on all of this. Its a leaky boat > design with to my count 21 points of entry for water. Comfort and gee whiz > comes at a cost. Reminds me of jack sparrow quote...?stop blowing holes in > my boat!!? > > > >> On Sep 28, 2019, at 11:45 AM, Alexis Seigneurin < > alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Interestingly, I noticed something fairly similar when coming back from > a sail last weekend. My bilge has been bone dry the whole season, but after > this sail, I removed half a gallon from the bilge. > >> > >> This water was yellow-ish, which made me think it could have been from > water standing in foam somewhere (underneath the cockpit?), and the > excessive heeling could have released the water from some cavities. Not > sure if this is possible. > >> > >> The other option I have is a faulty rub rail. I don?t think I ever > sailed with this much heeling before, and I am wondering if water could > find its way between the hull and the deck. I?m not sure if this would > explain the yellow color though. > >> > >> Alexis > >> > >> Alexis > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Mitch Mitchell > >> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 11:28 AM > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes and leaks! > >> > >> Nothing can be too obvious for me haha. I did not check it before going > out but I had checked it once before after it had been out in the elements > for a while and it was dry. Thanks. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Sep 28, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Richard Beytagh > wrote: > >>> > >>> Was the bilge dry before you went out? It seems like an obvious > question, > >>> but sometimes rain water can collect in the bilge. > >>> > >>> > >>> ~~~ _/) ~~~ > >>> > >>> Richard Beytagh > >>> Phone: 828 337 0180 > >>> > >>> > >>>> On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 7:45 AM Mitch Mitchell > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Well, I bought my Rhodes 22 (1990) about a year ago and finally got > it out > >>>> for the first real sail yesterday. After reading Thomas's post I felt > I had > >>>> been wimping out waiting for the perfect conditions! anyway, the > original > >>>> forecast was 10 - 15 but of course it was a steady 20 with gusts > higher. > >>>> The boat sailed great (mostly with just the mainsail) however upon > >>>> returning to the ramp and loading the boat back on the trailer I > noticed > >>>> the carpet wet in the cabin and pulled it back and looked in the sump > area > >>>> and it was full of water. After bailing about 10 gallons we took the > boat > >>>> home and now need to figure out the problem. Hopefully someone can > direct > >>>> me on how to troubleshoot. The boat was heeled over quite a bit for > most of > >>>> the time so wondering if water could have been forced through the sink > >>>> drain and the other opening since I would imagine the hoses to those > are > >>>> dry rotted on the inside. Thanks for any suggestions! Mitch > >>>> > From mitchpadl at gmail.com Sat Sep 28 13:35:39 2019 From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 13:35:39 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes and leaks! In-Reply-To: References: <4DC07B06-2748-4A46-9AB9-F24BF40B127F@gmail.com> <6D2039E1-F31A-4A1A-97D3-7A7BB09D5A06@gmail.com> Message-ID: I was afraid of that. At least I don't have to raise the sail. Thanks! On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 1:18 PM Richard Beytagh wrote: > Not really. I recently had to repair my center-board lid and the only way > to check for leaks was to splash the boat, leave it on the trailer and > check for leaks. > > > ~~~ _/) ~~~ > > Richard Beytagh > Phone: 828 337 0180 > > > On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 1:07 PM Mitch Mitchell > wrote: > > > Thanks for the info, I?ll definitely re-caulk and check for a valve. > Would > > there be a way to check if the CB locker gasket leaked while it is on the > > trailer. I?ll check the archives as well. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Sep 28, 2019, at 12:12 PM, Goodness > wrote: > > > > > > When heeled over the Rub rails leak like a sieve! The silicone caulk > > only lasts 5 years (less in salt water). > > > Dig it all out and replace with sikaflex. Or 3M 4000 or 4200 (not 5200 > > unless you are seperating the hull and deck in which case you wont be > able > > to ever again)?? > > > Heeling hard over will wash down the interior walls and get some > > rinsings from the wood.(yellow water color) > > > The sink drain and bilge pump hose tie in together on most boats i have > > seen so put a valve in and close it before sailing or install a check > valve > > (less effective). Some boats feflux from that starboard through hull. > > > > > > Another source of on trailer leaks occurs when the tongue is jacked up > > and water comes in over the aft hatch... > > > There are volumes in the archives on all of this. Its a leaky boat > > design with to my count 21 points of entry for water. Comfort and gee > whiz > > comes at a cost. Reminds me of jack sparrow quote...?stop blowing holes > in > > my boat!!? > > > > > >> On Sep 28, 2019, at 11:45 AM, Alexis Seigneurin < > > alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> Interestingly, I noticed something fairly similar when coming back > from > > a sail last weekend. My bilge has been bone dry the whole season, but > after > > this sail, I removed half a gallon from the bilge. > > >> > > >> This water was yellow-ish, which made me think it could have been from > > water standing in foam somewhere (underneath the cockpit?), and the > > excessive heeling could have released the water from some cavities. Not > > sure if this is possible. > > >> > > >> The other option I have is a faulty rub rail. I don?t think I ever > > sailed with this much heeling before, and I am wondering if water could > > find its way between the hull and the deck. I?m not sure if this would > > explain the yellow color though. > > >> > > >> Alexis > > >> > > >> Alexis > > >> > > >> ________________________________ > > >> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > > Mitch Mitchell > > >> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 11:28 AM > > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes and leaks! > > >> > > >> Nothing can be too obvious for me haha. I did not check it before > going > > out but I had checked it once before after it had been out in the > elements > > for a while and it was dry. Thanks. > > >> > > >> Sent from my iPhone > > >> > > >>> On Sep 28, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Richard Beytagh > > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Was the bilge dry before you went out? It seems like an obvious > > question, > > >>> but sometimes rain water can collect in the bilge. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ~~~ _/) ~~~ > > >>> > > >>> Richard Beytagh > > >>> Phone: 828 337 0180 > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 7:45 AM Mitch Mitchell > > > wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> Well, I bought my Rhodes 22 (1990) about a year ago and finally got > > it out > > >>>> for the first real sail yesterday. After reading Thomas's post I > felt > > I had > > >>>> been wimping out waiting for the perfect conditions! anyway, the > > original > > >>>> forecast was 10 - 15 but of course it was a steady 20 with gusts > > higher. > > >>>> The boat sailed great (mostly with just the mainsail) however upon > > >>>> returning to the ramp and loading the boat back on the trailer I > > noticed > > >>>> the carpet wet in the cabin and pulled it back and looked in the > sump > > area > > >>>> and it was full of water. After bailing about 10 gallons we took the > > boat > > >>>> home and now need to figure out the problem. Hopefully someone can > > direct > > >>>> me on how to troubleshoot. The boat was heeled over quite a bit for > > most of > > >>>> the time so wondering if water could have been forced through the > sink > > >>>> drain and the other opening since I would imagine the hoses to those > > are > > >>>> dry rotted on the inside. Thanks for any suggestions! Mitch > > >>>> > > > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Sat Sep 28 16:07:21 2019 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 16:07:21 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Preventing bow damage when trailering In-Reply-To: <1569676878300-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1569676878300-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: I?m surprised you were able to get the bow of your boat right up against the ?bow stop? when towing. Even if I pull the bow up to the stop when the boat is in the water, once the trailer and boat are on dry land there?s about a 6 inch gap between them. There?s a chance that what you?ve damaged is paint rather than gelcoat. I asked when I picked up my recycled boat from General Boats in 2016, and was told that my blue hull is painted with Alexseal T5153 Flag Blue. (The topsides are still gelcoat.) Alexseal paint is good stuff. It can be applied with roller and/or brush, then sanded and buffed. The ?Boatworks Today? YouTube channel has covered it recently. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On Sep 28, 2019, at 9:21 AM, jerry.keybl wrote: > > I am planning to pull my boat this weekend and was hoping your collective > wisdom could help. > > When I purchased my boat earlier this year, I managed to damage the bow > while trailering it. Basically bumps in the road caused the bow to come > down on the 'bow stop' and I have some gelcoat damage to repair during the > off season. > > Do you guys have strategies for preventing bow movement? I was already using > tiedown straps, but they didn't seem to help. > > Thanks, > Jerry > > PS any tips for repairing gelcoat? > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From peter at sunnybeeches.com Sat Sep 28 16:33:49 2019 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 16:33:49 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes and leaks! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5EBE422C-D7A0-4A4D-A845-131BFFB4BF93@sunnybeeches.com> Since you mention that you spent a lot of time heeled over, my top suspect would be a leaky deck-hull joint. I know that if I sail with a rail in the water, I?ll end up with water in the bilge. I?ve never had anything close to 10 gallons in the bilge, but then I generally try to keep the rail out of the water. If I bury the rail more than once in while, I figure that I?m past due for reefing. Lowering the boom to its lower position will also help to keep the boat more upright, but I don?t like sailing with the boom lower. I?d suggest the easiest way to investigate further would be to go sailing again on a day with less wind. If, after a day of even-keeled sailing, the bilge is dry, you?ve found your problem. If there?s still water in the bilge, then it?s time to suspect the centerboard gasket. You might be able to confirm the centerboard gasket hypothesis by putting enough water into the boat to submerge the gasket, and see if water leaks out. BTW, at present, I have no intention of fixing my deck-hull joint leak. It seems like too big a project for too small a problem. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On Sep 28, 2019, at 7:45 AM, Mitch Mitchell wrote: > > Well, I bought my Rhodes 22 (1990) about a year ago and finally got it out > for the first real sail yesterday. After reading Thomas's post I felt I had > been wimping out waiting for the perfect conditions! anyway, the original > forecast was 10 - 15 but of course it was a steady 20 with gusts higher. > The boat sailed great (mostly with just the mainsail) however upon > returning to the ramp and loading the boat back on the trailer I noticed > the carpet wet in the cabin and pulled it back and looked in the sump area > and it was full of water. After bailing about 10 gallons we took the boat > home and now need to figure out the problem. Hopefully someone can direct > me on how to troubleshoot. The boat was heeled over quite a bit for most of > the time so wondering if water could have been forced through the sink > drain and the other opening since I would imagine the hoses to those are > dry rotted on the inside. Thanks for any suggestions! Mitch From mitchpadl at gmail.com Sun Sep 29 06:57:58 2019 From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 06:57:58 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes and leaks! In-Reply-To: <5EBE422C-D7A0-4A4D-A845-131BFFB4BF93@sunnybeeches.com> References: <5EBE422C-D7A0-4A4D-A845-131BFFB4BF93@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Good points, I guess a mellow sail would be the best first step. Thanks, MM On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 4:34 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > Since you mention that you spent a lot of time heeled over, my top suspect > would be a leaky deck-hull joint. I know that if I sail with a rail in the > water, I?ll end up with water in the bilge. I?ve never had anything close > to 10 gallons in the bilge, but then I generally try to keep the rail out > of the water. If I bury the rail more than once in while, I figure that > I?m past due for reefing. Lowering the boom to its lower position will > also help to keep the boat more upright, but I don?t like sailing with the > boom lower. > > I?d suggest the easiest way to investigate further would be to go sailing > again on a day with less wind. If, after a day of even-keeled sailing, the > bilge is dry, you?ve found your problem. If there?s still water in the > bilge, then it?s time to suspect the centerboard gasket. You might be able > to confirm the centerboard gasket hypothesis by putting enough water into > the boat to submerge the gasket, and see if water leaks out. > > BTW, at present, I have no intention of fixing my deck-hull joint leak. It > seems like too big a project for too small a problem. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > On Sep 28, 2019, at 7:45 AM, Mitch Mitchell wrote: > > > > Well, I bought my Rhodes 22 (1990) about a year ago and finally got it > out > > for the first real sail yesterday. After reading Thomas's post I felt I > had > > been wimping out waiting for the perfect conditions! anyway, the original > > forecast was 10 - 15 but of course it was a steady 20 with gusts higher. > > The boat sailed great (mostly with just the mainsail) however upon > > returning to the ramp and loading the boat back on the trailer I noticed > > the carpet wet in the cabin and pulled it back and looked in the sump > area > > and it was full of water. After bailing about 10 gallons we took the boat > > home and now need to figure out the problem. Hopefully someone can direct > > me on how to troubleshoot. The boat was heeled over quite a bit for most > of > > the time so wondering if water could have been forced through the sink > > drain and the other opening since I would imagine the hoses to those are > > dry rotted on the inside. Thanks for any suggestions! Mitch > > From mitchpadl at gmail.com Sun Sep 29 08:03:29 2019 From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 08:03:29 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Preventing bow damage when trailering In-Reply-To: References: <1569676878300-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: I had the same issue and put a ratchet strap from the bow eye to the frame and it has stopped all up and down movement. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 137970 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 28, 2019, at 4:07 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > I?m surprised you were able to get the bow of your boat right up against the ?bow stop? when towing. Even if I pull the bow up to the stop when the boat is in the water, once the trailer and boat are on dry land there?s about a 6 inch gap between them. > > There?s a chance that what you?ve damaged is paint rather than gelcoat. I asked when I picked up my recycled boat from General Boats in 2016, and was told that my blue hull is painted with Alexseal T5153 Flag Blue. (The topsides are still gelcoat.) Alexseal paint is good stuff. It can be applied with roller and/or brush, then sanded and buffed. The ?Boatworks Today? YouTube channel has covered it recently. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > >> On Sep 28, 2019, at 9:21 AM, jerry.keybl wrote: >> >> I am planning to pull my boat this weekend and was hoping your collective >> wisdom could help. >> >> When I purchased my boat earlier this year, I managed to damage the bow >> while trailering it. Basically bumps in the road caused the bow to come >> down on the 'bow stop' and I have some gelcoat damage to repair during the >> off season. >> >> Do you guys have strategies for preventing bow movement? I was already using >> tiedown straps, but they didn't seem to help. >> >> Thanks, >> Jerry >> >> PS any tips for repairing gelcoat? >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From pbryanriley at gmail.com Sun Sep 29 08:32:40 2019 From: pbryanriley at gmail.com (PBR) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 08:32:40 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes and leaks! In-Reply-To: References: <5EBE422C-D7A0-4A4D-A845-131BFFB4BF93@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: I experienced the same when I first purchased my used Rhodes many years ago. I had trailered it about a 1000 miles home. Upon inspection the centerboard rubber gasket was fine but many of the fasteners must have jiggled loose. Tightening them fixed it and no leaks after ten years. On Sunday, September 29, 2019, Mitch Mitchell wrote: > Good points, I guess a mellow sail would be the best first step. Thanks, MM > > On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 4:34 PM Peter Nyberg > wrote: > > > Since you mention that you spent a lot of time heeled over, my top > suspect > > would be a leaky deck-hull joint. I know that if I sail with a rail in > the > > water, I?ll end up with water in the bilge. I?ve never had anything > close > > to 10 gallons in the bilge, but then I generally try to keep the rail out > > of the water. If I bury the rail more than once in while, I figure that > > I?m past due for reefing. Lowering the boom to its lower position will > > also help to keep the boat more upright, but I don?t like sailing with > the > > boom lower. > > > > I?d suggest the easiest way to investigate further would be to go sailing > > again on a day with less wind. If, after a day of even-keeled sailing, > the > > bilge is dry, you?ve found your problem. If there?s still water in the > > bilge, then it?s time to suspect the centerboard gasket. You might be > able > > to confirm the centerboard gasket hypothesis by putting enough water into > > the boat to submerge the gasket, and see if water leaks out. > > > > BTW, at present, I have no intention of fixing my deck-hull joint leak. > It > > seems like too big a project for too small a problem. > > > > Peter Nyberg > > Coventry, CT > > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > > > On Sep 28, 2019, at 7:45 AM, Mitch Mitchell > wrote: > > > > > > Well, I bought my Rhodes 22 (1990) about a year ago and finally got it > > out > > > for the first real sail yesterday. After reading Thomas's post I felt I > > had > > > been wimping out waiting for the perfect conditions! anyway, the > original > > > forecast was 10 - 15 but of course it was a steady 20 with gusts > higher. > > > The boat sailed great (mostly with just the mainsail) however upon > > > returning to the ramp and loading the boat back on the trailer I > noticed > > > the carpet wet in the cabin and pulled it back and looked in the sump > > area > > > and it was full of water. After bailing about 10 gallons we took the > boat > > > home and now need to figure out the problem. Hopefully someone can > direct > > > me on how to troubleshoot. The boat was heeled over quite a bit for > most > > of > > > the time so wondering if water could have been forced through the sink > > > drain and the other opening since I would imagine the hoses to those > are > > > dry rotted on the inside. Thanks for any suggestions! Mitch > > > > > -- Patrick Riley Lakewood, CO s/v Cleone From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Sun Sep 29 13:00:03 2019 From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 13:00:03 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes and leaks! In-Reply-To: References: <5EBE422C-D7A0-4A4D-A845-131BFFB4BF93@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <59960799-ee49-8988-e28e-b4b6b55e5237@atlanticbb.net> If your centerboard leaks, it will generally leak even with that mellow sail. If the rub rails leak, It may only leak when heeled over. If you've got rainwater leakes they will most likely become apparent even with the boat on the trailer, however note that water can hide in some places and then only become appearent when the boat moves around a lot. If you get water in the lazarette, say from pinhole leaks in the cockpit seat drain hoses, that water can eventually make it almost anywhere in the boat and then reappear when the boat is heeled. It can take a lot of investigative work to find the source of leaks but a Rhodes can have a dust dry bilge. From your description, my first guess would be the rub rails. Good luck on finding it. Mary Lou ex R22 now Rosborough RF 246 On 9/29/2019 6:57 AM, Mitch Mitchell wrote: > Good points, I guess a mellow sail would be the best first step. Thanks, MM > > On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 4:34 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > >> Since you mention that you spent a lot of time heeled over, my top suspect >> would be a leaky deck-hull joint. I know that if I sail with a rail in the >> water, I?ll end up with water in the bilge. I?ve never had anything close >> to 10 gallons in the bilge, but then I generally try to keep the rail out >> of the water. If I bury the rail more than once in while, I figure that >> I?m past due for reefing. Lowering the boom to its lower position will >> also help to keep the boat more upright, but I don?t like sailing with the >> boom lower. >> >> I?d suggest the easiest way to investigate further would be to go sailing >> again on a day with less wind. If, after a day of even-keeled sailing, the >> bilge is dry, you?ve found your problem. If there?s still water in the >> bilge, then it?s time to suspect the centerboard gasket. You might be able >> to confirm the centerboard gasket hypothesis by putting enough water into >> the boat to submerge the gasket, and see if water leaks out. >> >> BTW, at present, I have no intention of fixing my deck-hull joint leak. It >> seems like too big a project for too small a problem. >> >> Peter Nyberg >> Coventry, CT >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) >> >>> On Sep 28, 2019, at 7:45 AM, Mitch Mitchell wrote: >>> >>> Well, I bought my Rhodes 22 (1990) about a year ago and finally got it >> out >>> for the first real sail yesterday. After reading Thomas's post I felt I >> had >>> been wimping out waiting for the perfect conditions! anyway, the original >>> forecast was 10 - 15 but of course it was a steady 20 with gusts higher. >>> The boat sailed great (mostly with just the mainsail) however upon >>> returning to the ramp and loading the boat back on the trailer I noticed >>> the carpet wet in the cabin and pulled it back and looked in the sump >> area >>> and it was full of water. After bailing about 10 gallons we took the boat >>> home and now need to figure out the problem. Hopefully someone can direct >>> me on how to troubleshoot. The boat was heeled over quite a bit for most >> of >>> the time so wondering if water could have been forced through the sink >>> drain and the other opening since I would imagine the hoses to those are >>> dry rotted on the inside. Thanks for any suggestions! Mitch >> --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From jerry.keybl at gmail.com Sun Sep 29 13:24:04 2019 From: jerry.keybl at gmail.com (jerry.keybl) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 10:24:04 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Preventing bow damage when trailering In-Reply-To: References: <1569676878300-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1569777844281-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Thank you! Mitch Mitchell wrote > I had the same issue and put a ratchet strap from the bow eye to the frame > and it has stopped all up and down movement. > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image1.jpeg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 137970 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > <http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190929/d37f8dd7/attachment.jpeg> > -------------- next part -------------- > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 28, 2019, at 4:07 PM, Peter Nyberg < > peter@ > > wrote: >> >> I?m surprised you were able to get the bow of your boat right up against >> the ?bow stop? when towing. Even if I pull the bow up to the stop when >> the boat is in the water, once the trailer and boat are on dry land >> there?s about a 6 inch gap between them. >> >> There?s a chance that what you?ve damaged is paint rather than gelcoat. >> I asked when I picked up my recycled boat from General Boats in 2016, and >> was told that my blue hull is painted with Alexseal T5153 Flag Blue. >> (The topsides are still gelcoat.) Alexseal paint is good stuff. It can >> be applied with roller and/or brush, then sanded and buffed. The >> ?Boatworks Today? YouTube channel has covered it recently. >> >> Peter Nyberg >> Coventry, CT >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) >> >> >>> On Sep 28, 2019, at 9:21 AM, jerry.keybl < > jerry.keybl@ > > wrote: >>> >>> I am planning to pull my boat this weekend and was hoping your >>> collective >>> wisdom could help. >>> >>> When I purchased my boat earlier this year, I managed to damage the bow >>> while trailering it. Basically bumps in the road caused the bow to come >>> down on the 'bow stop' and I have some gelcoat damage to repair during >>> the >>> off season. >>> >>> Do you guys have strategies for preventing bow movement? I was already >>> using >>> tiedown straps, but they didn't seem to help. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Jerry >>> >>> PS any tips for repairing gelcoat? >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >> -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From mitchpadl at gmail.com Sun Sep 29 13:35:25 2019 From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 13:35:25 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes and leaks! In-Reply-To: References: <5EBE422C-D7A0-4A4D-A845-131BFFB4BF93@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Thanks, I'll check that first. That would be great if that's all it was. On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 8:32 AM PBR wrote: > I experienced the same when I first purchased my used Rhodes many years > ago. I had trailered it about a 1000 miles home. Upon inspection the > centerboard rubber gasket was fine but many of the fasteners must have > jiggled loose. Tightening them fixed it and no leaks after ten years. > > On Sunday, September 29, 2019, Mitch Mitchell wrote: > > > Good points, I guess a mellow sail would be the best first step. Thanks, > MM > > > > On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 4:34 PM Peter Nyberg > > wrote: > > > > > Since you mention that you spent a lot of time heeled over, my top > > suspect > > > would be a leaky deck-hull joint. I know that if I sail with a rail in > > the > > > water, I?ll end up with water in the bilge. I?ve never had anything > > close > > > to 10 gallons in the bilge, but then I generally try to keep the rail > out > > > of the water. If I bury the rail more than once in while, I figure > that > > > I?m past due for reefing. Lowering the boom to its lower position will > > > also help to keep the boat more upright, but I don?t like sailing with > > the > > > boom lower. > > > > > > I?d suggest the easiest way to investigate further would be to go > sailing > > > again on a day with less wind. If, after a day of even-keeled sailing, > > the > > > bilge is dry, you?ve found your problem. If there?s still water in the > > > bilge, then it?s time to suspect the centerboard gasket. You might be > > able > > > to confirm the centerboard gasket hypothesis by putting enough water > into > > > the boat to submerge the gasket, and see if water leaks out. > > > > > > BTW, at present, I have no intention of fixing my deck-hull joint leak. > > It > > > seems like too big a project for too small a problem. > > > > > > Peter Nyberg > > > Coventry, CT > > > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > > > > > On Sep 28, 2019, at 7:45 AM, Mitch Mitchell > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Well, I bought my Rhodes 22 (1990) about a year ago and finally got > it > > > out > > > > for the first real sail yesterday. After reading Thomas's post I > felt I > > > had > > > > been wimping out waiting for the perfect conditions! anyway, the > > original > > > > forecast was 10 - 15 but of course it was a steady 20 with gusts > > higher. > > > > The boat sailed great (mostly with just the mainsail) however upon > > > > returning to the ramp and loading the boat back on the trailer I > > noticed > > > > the carpet wet in the cabin and pulled it back and looked in the sump > > > area > > > > and it was full of water. After bailing about 10 gallons we took the > > boat > > > > home and now need to figure out the problem. Hopefully someone can > > direct > > > > me on how to troubleshoot. The boat was heeled over quite a bit for > > most > > > of > > > > the time so wondering if water could have been forced through the > sink > > > > drain and the other opening since I would imagine the hoses to those > > are > > > > dry rotted on the inside. Thanks for any suggestions! Mitch > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Patrick Riley > Lakewood, CO > s/v Cleone > From mitchpadl at gmail.com Sun Sep 29 13:40:52 2019 From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 13:40:52 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes and leaks! In-Reply-To: <59960799-ee49-8988-e28e-b4b6b55e5237@atlanticbb.net> References: <5EBE422C-D7A0-4A4D-A845-131BFFB4BF93@sunnybeeches.com> <59960799-ee49-8988-e28e-b4b6b55e5237@atlanticbb.net> Message-ID: Thanks Mary Lou, I didn't know that water from the Lazerette could make it's way into the bilge. The lazerette had a lot of water in it prior to sailing as the hoses from the cockpit drains were all cracked. I replaced them and I assumed the Lazarettet was a sealed compartment but apparently not. Thanks for the input. On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 1:00 PM Mary Lou Troy wrote: > If your centerboard leaks, it will generally leak even with that mellow > sail. If the rub rails leak, It may only leak when heeled over. If > you've got rainwater leakes they will most likely become apparent even > with the boat on the trailer, however note that water can hide in some > places and then only become appearent when the boat moves around a lot. > If you get water in the lazarette, say from pinhole leaks in the cockpit > seat drain hoses, that water can eventually make it almost anywhere in > the boat and then reappear when the boat is heeled. It can take a lot of > investigative work to find the source of leaks but a Rhodes can have a > dust dry bilge. From your description, my first guess would be the rub > rails. Good luck on finding it. > > Mary Lou > ex R22 > now Rosborough RF 246 > > On 9/29/2019 6:57 AM, Mitch Mitchell wrote: > > Good points, I guess a mellow sail would be the best first step. Thanks, > MM > > > > On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 4:34 PM Peter Nyberg > wrote: > > > >> Since you mention that you spent a lot of time heeled over, my top > suspect > >> would be a leaky deck-hull joint. I know that if I sail with a rail in > the > >> water, I?ll end up with water in the bilge. I?ve never had anything > close > >> to 10 gallons in the bilge, but then I generally try to keep the rail > out > >> of the water. If I bury the rail more than once in while, I figure that > >> I?m past due for reefing. Lowering the boom to its lower position will > >> also help to keep the boat more upright, but I don?t like sailing with > the > >> boom lower. > >> > >> I?d suggest the easiest way to investigate further would be to go > sailing > >> again on a day with less wind. If, after a day of even-keeled sailing, > the > >> bilge is dry, you?ve found your problem. If there?s still water in the > >> bilge, then it?s time to suspect the centerboard gasket. You might be > able > >> to confirm the centerboard gasket hypothesis by putting enough water > into > >> the boat to submerge the gasket, and see if water leaks out. > >> > >> BTW, at present, I have no intention of fixing my deck-hull joint leak. > It > >> seems like too big a project for too small a problem. > >> > >> Peter Nyberg > >> Coventry, CT > >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > >> > >>> On Sep 28, 2019, at 7:45 AM, Mitch Mitchell > wrote: > >>> > >>> Well, I bought my Rhodes 22 (1990) about a year ago and finally got it > >> out > >>> for the first real sail yesterday. After reading Thomas's post I felt I > >> had > >>> been wimping out waiting for the perfect conditions! anyway, the > original > >>> forecast was 10 - 15 but of course it was a steady 20 with gusts > higher. > >>> The boat sailed great (mostly with just the mainsail) however upon > >>> returning to the ramp and loading the boat back on the trailer I > noticed > >>> the carpet wet in the cabin and pulled it back and looked in the sump > >> area > >>> and it was full of water. After bailing about 10 gallons we took the > boat > >>> home and now need to figure out the problem. Hopefully someone can > direct > >>> me on how to troubleshoot. The boat was heeled over quite a bit for > most > >> of > >>> the time so wondering if water could have been forced through the sink > >>> drain and the other opening since I would imagine the hoses to those > are > >>> dry rotted on the inside. Thanks for any suggestions! Mitch > >> > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > From tvpolise at aol.com Sun Sep 29 16:28:24 2019 From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 22:28:24 +0200 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes and leaks! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You might also want to check your thru hull fittings. I recently had the same problem and it turned out to be port thru hull fitting that was leaking. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 28, 2019, at 3:01 PM, Mitch Mitchell wrote: > > Thanks Chris, I did just check out the hoses and although old and brittle I > did not see any evidence of a leak. Looks like it must be the centerboard > gasket. I'll do a little research on how to replace that. MM > > On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 7:54 AM Chris Cowie > wrote: > >> The sink hose and lazarret hose should be easy to inspect and test. >> Sometimes the centerboard cap leaks and the gasket would then need to be >> replaced. >> >> >> Please note our new office address and phone number >> >> Christopher P. Cowie [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] >> [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] >> >> 700 N Fairfax Street >> Suite 304 >> Alexandria, Virginia 22314 >> 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 >> mobile >> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] >> >> [cid:image001.jpg at 01D24014.7A2D04E0] >> >> Please consider the environment before printing this email. >> >> >> On Sep 28, 2019, at 7:45 AM, Mitch Mitchell > mitchpadl at gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Well, I bought my Rhodes 22 (1990) about a year ago and finally got it out >> for the first real sail yesterday. After reading Thomas's post I felt I had >> been wimping out waiting for the perfect conditions! anyway, the original >> forecast was 10 - 15 but of course it was a steady 20 with gusts higher. >> The boat sailed great (mostly with just the mainsail) however upon >> returning to the ramp and loading the boat back on the trailer I noticed >> the carpet wet in the cabin and pulled it back and looked in the sump area >> and it was full of water. After bailing about 10 gallons we took the boat >> home and now need to figure out the problem. Hopefully someone can direct >> me on how to troubleshoot. The boat was heeled over quite a bit for most of >> the time so wondering if water could have been forced through the sink >> drain and the other opening since I would imagine the hoses to those are >> dry rotted on the inside. Thanks for any suggestions! Mitch >> From joedempsey at hughes.net Sun Sep 29 19:22:31 2019 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (JP Dempsey) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 16:22:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing Centerboard Gasket In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1569799351860-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Mitch, I had the same problem last year and finally determined that the centerboard gasket was the problem. They dry rot eventually. It is a "fairly" simple job that I ended up doing myself, but you'll have to purchase a new gasket. I would have purchased from Stan but the centerboard trunk cover was cracked and needed repair that I was not willing to attempt. Also you want to be sure that you drill holes that will match the existing holes in you CB trunk flange and cover. I have a large collection of photos that I took during the process. Removal of the trunk cover begins with removing the port berth/settee and the supporting structure in front of the companionway. You'll need to remove the center section of the floorboard (sole) that runs from the inspection hatch back to beneath the companionway. (I removed all of the floorboards and found that they were severely molded. These I replaced with new marine plywood treated with wood preservative and multiple coats of urethane marine varnish.) You will need to lower the CB. I placed a block of wood underneath. Also you'll have to remove the painter tube between the companionway and the CB cover. If there is any rust on the machine screws, replace them. McMaster-Carr is the best source. Use only 316 grade stainless steel. Also if your CB gasket is not fastened using fender washers (mine wasn't) get them for both above and below the flange. I did all of this work while on the trailer during the off season. I believe its also wise to re-seat all of the port lites and if you ever replace the rub rail, re-caulk the topside/hull joint with 4200 Sealant. I'm attaching photos that I hope will help. ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Marshall,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From joedempsey at hughes.net Sun Sep 29 19:26:37 2019 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (JP Dempsey) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 16:26:37 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes and leaks! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1569799597856-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Photo of replaced gasket with new hardware ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Marshall,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From mitchpadl at gmail.com Sun Sep 29 22:27:44 2019 From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 22:27:44 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes and leaks! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Thomas, I did see some water around a pump that I think goes from the fresh water tank to the head? Not really sure but it also has a hose that goes to the outside so I'm guessing it is allowing water in. On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 4:30 PM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > You might also want to check your thru hull fittings. I recently had the > same problem and it turned out to be port thru hull fitting that was > leaking. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 28, 2019, at 3:01 PM, Mitch Mitchell wrote: > > > > Thanks Chris, I did just check out the hoses and although old and > brittle I > > did not see any evidence of a leak. Looks like it must be the centerboard > > gasket. I'll do a little research on how to replace that. MM > > > > On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 7:54 AM Chris Cowie > > wrote: > > > >> The sink hose and lazarret hose should be easy to inspect and test. > >> Sometimes the centerboard cap leaks and the gasket would then need to be > >> replaced. > >> > >> > >> Please note our new office address and phone number > >> > >> Christopher P. Cowie [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] > >> [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] > >> > >> 700 N Fairfax Street > >> Suite 304 > >> Alexandria, Virginia 22314 > >> 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 > >> mobile > >> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] > >> > >> [cid:image001.jpg at 01D24014.7A2D04E0] > >> > >> Please consider the environment before printing this email. > >> > >> > >> On Sep 28, 2019, at 7:45 AM, Mitch Mitchell >> mitchpadl at gmail.com>> wrote: > >> > >> Well, I bought my Rhodes 22 (1990) about a year ago and finally got it > out > >> for the first real sail yesterday. After reading Thomas's post I felt I > had > >> been wimping out waiting for the perfect conditions! anyway, the > original > >> forecast was 10 - 15 but of course it was a steady 20 with gusts higher. > >> The boat sailed great (mostly with just the mainsail) however upon > >> returning to the ramp and loading the boat back on the trailer I noticed > >> the carpet wet in the cabin and pulled it back and looked in the sump > area > >> and it was full of water. After bailing about 10 gallons we took the > boat > >> home and now need to figure out the problem. Hopefully someone can > direct > >> me on how to troubleshoot. The boat was heeled over quite a bit for > most of > >> the time so wondering if water could have been forced through the sink > >> drain and the other opening since I would imagine the hoses to those are > >> dry rotted on the inside. Thanks for any suggestions! Mitch > >> > > From mitchpadl at gmail.com Sun Sep 29 22:33:34 2019 From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 22:33:34 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing Centerboard Gasket In-Reply-To: <1569799351860-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1569799351860-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Thanks JP! Did you have to lower the centerboard to replace the gasket? If that' the case then I would have to get the boat off of the trailer. The screws in the cap look good (not rusty) but there are no washers. I haven't removed the top cap yet but thought I would put the boat in the water once more with the floorboard out so I could see if it was leaking. MM On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 7:14 PM JP Dempsey wrote: > Mitch, I had the same problem last year and finally determined that the > centerboard gasket was the problem. They dry rot eventually. It is a > "fairly" simple job that I ended up doing myself, but you'll have to > purchase a new gasket. I would have purchased from Stan but the centerboard > trunk cover was cracked and needed repair that I was not willing to > attempt. > Also you want to be sure that you drill holes that will match the existing > holes in you CB trunk flange and cover. I have a large collection of photos > that I took during the process. Removal of the trunk cover begins with > removing the port berth/settee and the supporting structure in front of the > companionway. You'll need to remove the center section of the floorboard > (sole) that runs from the inspection hatch back to beneath the > companionway. > (I removed all of the floorboards and found that they were severely molded. > These I replaced with new marine plywood treated with wood preservative and > multiple coats of urethane marine varnish.) You will need to lower the CB. > I > placed a block of wood underneath. Also you'll have to remove the painter > tube between the companionway and the CB cover. If there is any rust on the > machine screws, replace them. McMaster-Carr is the best source. Use only > 316 > grade stainless steel. Also if your CB gasket is not fastened using fender > washers (mine wasn't) get them for both above and below the flange. I did > all of this work while on the trailer during the off season. I believe its > also wise to re-seat all of the port lites and if you ever replace the rub > rail, re-caulk the topside/hull joint with 4200 Sealant. I'm attaching > photos that I hope will help. > < > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Cabin_Sole_Original_Sub_Floor_Before.jpg> > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > JP Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Marshall,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Mon Sep 30 00:18:33 2019 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 00:18:33 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing Centerboard Gasket In-Reply-To: References: <1569799351860-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <005a01d57746$1f61d920$5e258b60$@ca> Mitch: Replacing the gasket is not difficult but is a major PITA. Any reconstruction of the cap or flange is also a possibility and adds to the pain. Good idea to check it out in the water before you take it all apart. Eventually, however, it will probably be necessary to do this job if for no other reason than to replace the line and pulleys. On my boat the removal of the cap was made infinitely worse by virtue of the fact that some previous owner used 5200 sealant and then put fiberglass over the top of the cap. As a result I broke the cap in two pieces getting it off and damaged the housing flange with large gouges. Hopefully you will not face that issue. No one else has reported a similar problem on this list that I have seen. I would replace the screws with stainless steel bolts and use large fender washers and lock washers.I think it is better to punch clean holes in the gasket rather than drilling them. I did not think I had access to the proper gasket material and substituted other neoprene material that I thought would work. As a result I could not get a perfect seal without using a sealant. I chose to use butyl tape as it makes an excellent seal but has very low adhesive properties and so is easy to remove when the time comes. Butyl is not rated for underwater use but so far has worked well for me in fresh water. Better to get the proper gasket material. BTW, I was able to remove the cap and the centerboard while the boat was on its trailer and have not heard of others needing to raise the boat for that purpose but keep in mind that there appears to be a lot of variation in the construction of the boat over the years and what works for one person might not work in another situation. My boat is a 1976 model so it has the older version of the centerboard. However, I would try to do the work while on the trailer first and raise the boat only if that becomes necessary. While removing the centerboard and fixing the enclosure cap and flange could be done while on the trailer, I discovered that I had serious damage to the bottom of the keel housing with a large crack that went almost entirely around the housing slot. So in the end I had to build a huge lift so that I could work under the keel. My lift was a major project in itself and probably overkill as I later learned that one person was able to support the stern of the boat on a picnic table and support the front with some sort of sawhorse arrangement. So there are definitely easier ways to do this than what I did. The advantage of the lift is that I can raise the boat high enough (5' between the bottom of the keel and the ground) to work more comfortably under the keel and can also use it for my other two boats. However, it is a very large structure. I can send pictures of the lift if anyone is interested. Graham Stewart Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Mitch Mitchell Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 10:34 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing Centerboard Gasket Thanks JP! Did you have to lower the centerboard to replace the gasket? If that' the case then I would have to get the boat off of the trailer. The screws in the cap look good (not rusty) but there are no washers. I haven't removed the top cap yet but thought I would put the boat in the water once more with the floorboard out so I could see if it was leaking. MM On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 7:14 PM JP Dempsey wrote: > Mitch, I had the same problem last year and finally determined that the > centerboard gasket was the problem. They dry rot eventually. It is a > "fairly" simple job that I ended up doing myself, but you'll have to > purchase a new gasket. I would have purchased from Stan but the centerboard > trunk cover was cracked and needed repair that I was not willing to > attempt. > Also you want to be sure that you drill holes that will match the existing > holes in you CB trunk flange and cover. I have a large collection of photos > that I took during the process. Removal of the trunk cover begins with > removing the port berth/settee and the supporting structure in front of the > companionway. You'll need to remove the center section of the floorboard > (sole) that runs from the inspection hatch back to beneath the > companionway. > (I removed all of the floorboards and found that they were severely molded. > These I replaced with new marine plywood treated with wood preservative and > multiple coats of urethane marine varnish.) You will need to lower the CB. > I > placed a block of wood underneath. Also you'll have to remove the painter > tube between the companionway and the CB cover. If there is any rust on the > machine screws, replace them. McMaster-Carr is the best source. Use only > 316 > grade stainless steel. Also if your CB gasket is not fastened using fender > washers (mine wasn't) get them for both above and below the flange. I did > all of this work while on the trailer during the off season. I believe its > also wise to re-seat all of the port lites and if you ever replace the rub > rail, re-caulk the topside/hull joint with 4200 Sealant. I'm attaching > photos that I hope will help. > < > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Cabin_Sole_Original_Sub_Floor_Before.jpg> > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > JP Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Marshall,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From tvpolise at aol.com Mon Sep 30 03:29:29 2019 From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 09:29:29 +0200 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes and leaks! In-Reply-To: <1569799597856-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1569799597856-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: That is one prettybilge. Did you do that? If so could you tell me what you used? Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 30, 2019, at 1:26 AM, JP Dempsey wrote: > > Photo of replaced gasket with new hardware > > > > > ----- > JP Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Marshall,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From mitchpadl at gmail.com Mon Sep 30 09:56:00 2019 From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 09:56:00 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing Centerboard Gasket In-Reply-To: <005a01d57746$1f61d920$5e258b60$@ca> References: <1569799351860-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <005a01d57746$1f61d920$5e258b60$@ca> Message-ID: Wow! Thanks for the info. Sounds like that was quite a project. Hopefully all I will need to do is replace the gasket. I like the idea of bolts and washers. On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 12:18 AM Graham Stewart wrote: > Mitch: > > Replacing the gasket is not difficult but is a major PITA. Any > reconstruction of the cap or flange is also a possibility and adds to the > pain. Good idea to check it out in the water before you take it all apart. > > Eventually, however, it will probably be necessary to do this job if for > no other reason than to replace the line and pulleys. > On my boat the removal of the cap was made infinitely worse by virtue of > the fact that some previous owner used 5200 sealant and then put fiberglass > over the top of the cap. As a result I broke the cap in two pieces getting > it off and damaged the housing flange with large gouges. Hopefully you will > not face that issue. No one else has reported a similar problem on this > list that I have seen. > > I would replace the screws with stainless steel bolts and use large fender > washers and lock washers.I think it is better to punch clean holes in the > gasket rather than drilling them. > > I did not think I had access to the proper gasket material and substituted > other neoprene material that I thought would work. As a result I could not > get a perfect seal without using a sealant. I chose to use butyl tape as it > makes an excellent seal but has very low adhesive properties and so is easy > to remove when the time comes. Butyl is not rated for underwater use but so > far has worked well for me in fresh water. Better to get the proper gasket > material. > > BTW, I was able to remove the cap and the centerboard while the boat was > on its trailer and have not heard of others needing to raise the boat for > that purpose but keep in mind that there appears to be a lot of variation > in the construction of the boat over the years and what works for one > person might not work in another situation. My boat is a 1976 model so it > has the older version of the centerboard. However, I would try to do the > work while on the trailer first and raise the boat only if that becomes > necessary. > > While removing the centerboard and fixing the enclosure cap and flange > could be done while on the trailer, I discovered that I had serious damage > to the bottom of the keel housing with a large crack that went almost > entirely around the housing slot. So in the end I had to build a huge lift > so that I could work under the keel. My lift was a major project in itself > and probably overkill as I later learned that one person was able to > support the stern of the boat on a picnic table and support the front with > some sort of sawhorse arrangement. So there are definitely easier ways to > do this than what I did. The advantage of the lift is that I can raise the > boat high enough (5' between the bottom of the keel and the ground) to work > more comfortably under the keel and can also use it for my other two boats. > However, it is a very large structure. I can send pictures of the lift if > anyone is interested. > > > Graham Stewart > Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 > Kingston Ontario > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of Mitch Mitchell > Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 10:34 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing Centerboard Gasket > > Thanks JP! Did you have to lower the centerboard to replace the gasket? If > that' the case then I would have to get the boat off of the trailer. The > screws in the cap look good (not rusty) but there are no washers. I haven't > removed the top cap yet but thought I would put the boat in the water once > more with the floorboard out so I could see if it was leaking. MM > > On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 7:14 PM JP Dempsey wrote: > > > Mitch, I had the same problem last year and finally determined that the > > centerboard gasket was the problem. They dry rot eventually. It is a > > "fairly" simple job that I ended up doing myself, but you'll have to > > purchase a new gasket. I would have purchased from Stan but the > centerboard > > trunk cover was cracked and needed repair that I was not willing to > > attempt. > > Also you want to be sure that you drill holes that will match the > existing > > holes in you CB trunk flange and cover. I have a large collection of > photos > > that I took during the process. Removal of the trunk cover begins with > > removing the port berth/settee and the supporting structure in front of > the > > companionway. You'll need to remove the center section of the floorboard > > (sole) that runs from the inspection hatch back to beneath the > > companionway. > > (I removed all of the floorboards and found that they were severely > molded. > > These I replaced with new marine plywood treated with wood preservative > and > > multiple coats of urethane marine varnish.) You will need to lower the > CB. > > I > > placed a block of wood underneath. Also you'll have to remove the painter > > tube between the companionway and the CB cover. If there is any rust on > the > > machine screws, replace them. McMaster-Carr is the best source. Use only > > 316 > > grade stainless steel. Also if your CB gasket is not fastened using > fender > > washers (mine wasn't) get them for both above and below the flange. I did > > all of this work while on the trailer during the off season. I believe > its > > also wise to re-seat all of the port lites and if you ever replace the > rub > > rail, re-caulk the topside/hull joint with 4200 Sealant. I'm attaching > > photos that I hope will help. > > < > > > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Cabin_Sole_Original_Sub_Floor_Before.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > JP Dempsey > > s/v Respite > > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > > Marshall,VA > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > > From ric at stottarchitecture.com Mon Sep 30 10:44:39 2019 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 10:44:39 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing Centerboard Gasket In-Reply-To: References: <1569799351860-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <005a01d57746$1f61d920$5e258b60$@ca> Message-ID: <68152FC7-52D6-469C-B670-BFB4E80A1076@stottarchitecture.com> Boy do I have a gasket/cap project! The attached photo shows what can happen when the boat is launched with the Center Board line not cleated. Here is the story - and I?m sticking to it. I have had my ?84 Continental since I inherited it from my dad who bought it used in ?89. I have re-bult most of the interior and I use the boat a lot. For 6 years I?ve had it hauled and lunched professionally back and forth to my driveway. This year I finally completed that trailer rebuild project and hauled it for the first time on the rebuilt trailer. Everything went smoothly until the boat was out and I was not happy with the balance on the trailer. I decided to re-lauch and move the boat further toward the trailer tongue. While the boat was out, I asked my helper to release the ?red? line on the bulkhead - I was going to begin de-rigging and roll up the jib fuller, but got distracted with the boat position. . I meant the jib fuller, but my helper ( good sailer, but not familiar with the boat) released the CB cleat (also red) which I didn?t realize. When we relaunched, the boat slid nicely off the trailer and into the shallow water at the ramp. The CB deployed as the boat was moving backward - and hit the shallow bottom. Before we realized what happened, we had the boat back on the trailer. Something was odd, but I didn?t know what. When we pulled it the 2nd time, the trailer tires looked flat and the trailer seemed even more unbalanced - it was also pouring water from the boat. I climbed on and discovered the CB popping through the CB trunk cap and water had filled the boat to the a few inches over the cabin sole floor. We had managed to ?sink? Dadventure, right on its new trailer. Flooded the pull-out storage box, my tool box, multi-meter and lots of stuff that doesn?t like to be wet. It broke the 3/4? plywood sole cover in the process, which is an easy fix - the cap - not so much. What a mess! I was considering replacing my original CB with a Diamond Board - maybe now is the time. Can anyone explain the pros/cons of such a change? Can I get a new cap from Stan or do I have to rebuild one myself? I can tell you with certainty that the same thing will never happen again, but this is a major repair that I didn?t expect. Ric sv Dadventure Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP www.stottarchitecture.com Office 631-283-1777 Cell 516-965-3164 > On Sep 30, 2019, at 9:56 AM, Mitch Mitchell wrote: > > Wow! Thanks for the info. Sounds like that was quite a project. Hopefully > all I will need to do is replace the gasket. I like the idea of bolts and > washers. > > On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 12:18 AM Graham Stewart wrote: > >> Mitch: >> >> Replacing the gasket is not difficult but is a major PITA. Any >> reconstruction of the cap or flange is also a possibility and adds to the >> pain. Good idea to check it out in the water before you take it all apart. >> >> Eventually, however, it will probably be necessary to do this job if for >> no other reason than to replace the line and pulleys. >> On my boat the removal of the cap was made infinitely worse by virtue of >> the fact that some previous owner used 5200 sealant and then put fiberglass >> over the top of the cap. As a result I broke the cap in two pieces getting >> it off and damaged the housing flange with large gouges. Hopefully you will >> not face that issue. No one else has reported a similar problem on this >> list that I have seen. >> >> I would replace the screws with stainless steel bolts and use large fender >> washers and lock washers.I think it is better to punch clean holes in the >> gasket rather than drilling them. >> >> I did not think I had access to the proper gasket material and substituted >> other neoprene material that I thought would work. As a result I could not >> get a perfect seal without using a sealant. I chose to use butyl tape as it >> makes an excellent seal but has very low adhesive properties and so is easy >> to remove when the time comes. Butyl is not rated for underwater use but so >> far has worked well for me in fresh water. Better to get the proper gasket >> material. >> >> BTW, I was able to remove the cap and the centerboard while the boat was >> on its trailer and have not heard of others needing to raise the boat for >> that purpose but keep in mind that there appears to be a lot of variation >> in the construction of the boat over the years and what works for one >> person might not work in another situation. My boat is a 1976 model so it >> has the older version of the centerboard. However, I would try to do the >> work while on the trailer first and raise the boat only if that becomes >> necessary. >> >> While removing the centerboard and fixing the enclosure cap and flange >> could be done while on the trailer, I discovered that I had serious damage >> to the bottom of the keel housing with a large crack that went almost >> entirely around the housing slot. So in the end I had to build a huge lift >> so that I could work under the keel. My lift was a major project in itself >> and probably overkill as I later learned that one person was able to >> support the stern of the boat on a picnic table and support the front with >> some sort of sawhorse arrangement. So there are definitely easier ways to >> do this than what I did. The advantage of the lift is that I can raise the >> boat high enough (5' between the bottom of the keel and the ground) to work >> more comfortably under the keel and can also use it for my other two boats. >> However, it is a very large structure. I can send pictures of the lift if >> anyone is interested. >> >> >> Graham Stewart >> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 >> Kingston Ontario >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf >> Of Mitch Mitchell >> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 10:34 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing Centerboard Gasket >> >> Thanks JP! Did you have to lower the centerboard to replace the gasket? If >> that' the case then I would have to get the boat off of the trailer. The >> screws in the cap look good (not rusty) but there are no washers. I haven't >> removed the top cap yet but thought I would put the boat in the water once >> more with the floorboard out so I could see if it was leaking. MM >> >> On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 7:14 PM JP Dempsey wrote: >> >>> Mitch, I had the same problem last year and finally determined that the >>> centerboard gasket was the problem. They dry rot eventually. It is a >>> "fairly" simple job that I ended up doing myself, but you'll have to >>> purchase a new gasket. I would have purchased from Stan but the >> centerboard >>> trunk cover was cracked and needed repair that I was not willing to >>> attempt. >>> Also you want to be sure that you drill holes that will match the >> existing >>> holes in you CB trunk flange and cover. I have a large collection of >> photos >>> that I took during the process. Removal of the trunk cover begins with >>> removing the port berth/settee and the supporting structure in front of >> the >>> companionway. You'll need to remove the center section of the floorboard >>> (sole) that runs from the inspection hatch back to beneath the >>> companionway. >>> (I removed all of the floorboards and found that they were severely >> molded. >>> These I replaced with new marine plywood treated with wood preservative >> and >>> multiple coats of urethane marine varnish.) You will need to lower the >> CB. >>> I >>> placed a block of wood underneath. Also you'll have to remove the painter >>> tube between the companionway and the CB cover. If there is any rust on >> the >>> machine screws, replace them. McMaster-Carr is the best source. Use only >>> 316 >>> grade stainless steel. Also if your CB gasket is not fastened using >> fender >>> washers (mine wasn't) get them for both above and below the flange. I did >>> all of this work while on the trailer during the off season. I believe >> its >>> also wise to re-seat all of the port lites and if you ever replace the >> rub >>> rail, re-caulk the topside/hull joint with 4200 Sealant. I'm attaching >>> photos that I hope will help. >>> < >>> >> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Cabin_Sole_Original_Sub_Floor_Before.jpg >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> JP Dempsey >>> s/v Respite >>> Rhodes 22 1989/2005 >>> Marshall,VA >>> -- >>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >>> >> >> From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Mon Sep 30 11:11:19 2019 From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 11:11:19 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing Centerboard Gasket In-Reply-To: <68152FC7-52D6-469C-B670-BFB4E80A1076@stottarchitecture.com> References: <1569799351860-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <005a01d57746$1f61d920$5e258b60$@ca> <68152FC7-52D6-469C-B670-BFB4E80A1076@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: Ric, So sorry to hear about your misadventure. In the past GB has been able to provide replacement centerboard caps. I remember at an Annapolis gathering one year one of the attendees walking around with his brand new cap from Stan. I would try to contact him first. Best of luck, Mary Lou On 9/30/2019 10:44 AM, Richard Stott wrote: > Boy do I have a gasket/cap project! > The attached photo shows what can happen when the boat is launched with the Center Board line not cleated. > Here is the story - and I?m sticking to it. > I have had my ?84 Continental since I inherited it from my dad who bought it used in ?89. > I have re-bult most of the interior and I use the boat a lot. > For 6 years I?ve had it hauled and lunched professionally back and forth to my driveway. > This year I finally completed that trailer rebuild project and hauled it for the first time on the rebuilt trailer. > Everything went smoothly until the boat was out and I was not happy with the balance on the trailer. > I decided to re-lauch and move the boat further toward the trailer tongue. > While the boat was out, I asked my helper to release the ?red? line on the bulkhead - I was going to begin de-rigging and roll up the jib fuller, but got distracted with the boat position. . > I meant the jib fuller, but my helper ( good sailer, but not familiar with the boat) released the CB cleat (also red) which I didn?t realize. > When we relaunched, the boat slid nicely off the trailer and into the shallow water at the ramp. > The CB deployed as the boat was moving backward - and hit the shallow bottom. > > Before we realized what happened, we had the boat back on the trailer. > Something was odd, but I didn?t know what. > When we pulled it the 2nd time, the trailer tires looked flat and the trailer seemed even more unbalanced - it was also pouring water from the boat. > I climbed on and discovered the CB popping through the CB trunk cap and water had filled the boat to the a few inches over the cabin sole floor. > We had managed to ?sink? Dadventure, right on its new trailer. > Flooded the pull-out storage box, my tool box, multi-meter and lots of stuff that doesn?t like to be wet. > It broke the 3/4? plywood sole cover in the process, which is an easy fix - the cap - not so much. > What a mess! > > I was considering replacing my original CB with a Diamond Board - maybe now is the time. > Can anyone explain the pros/cons of such a change? > Can I get a new cap from Stan or do I have to rebuild one myself? > > I can tell you with certainty that the same thing will never happen again, but this is a major repair that I didn?t expect. > Ric > sv Dadventure > > Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP > www.stottarchitecture.com > Office 631-283-1777 > Cell 516-965-3164 > > > > > >> On Sep 30, 2019, at 9:56 AM, Mitch Mitchell wrote: >> >> Wow! Thanks for the info. Sounds like that was quite a project. Hopefully >> all I will need to do is replace the gasket. I like the idea of bolts and >> washers. >> >> On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 12:18 AM Graham Stewart wrote: >> >>> Mitch: >>> >>> Replacing the gasket is not difficult but is a major PITA. Any >>> reconstruction of the cap or flange is also a possibility and adds to the >>> pain. Good idea to check it out in the water before you take it all apart. >>> >>> Eventually, however, it will probably be necessary to do this job if for >>> no other reason than to replace the line and pulleys. >>> On my boat the removal of the cap was made infinitely worse by virtue of >>> the fact that some previous owner used 5200 sealant and then put fiberglass >>> over the top of the cap. As a result I broke the cap in two pieces getting >>> it off and damaged the housing flange with large gouges. Hopefully you will >>> not face that issue. No one else has reported a similar problem on this >>> list that I have seen. >>> >>> I would replace the screws with stainless steel bolts and use large fender >>> washers and lock washers.I think it is better to punch clean holes in the >>> gasket rather than drilling them. >>> >>> I did not think I had access to the proper gasket material and substituted >>> other neoprene material that I thought would work. As a result I could not >>> get a perfect seal without using a sealant. I chose to use butyl tape as it >>> makes an excellent seal but has very low adhesive properties and so is easy >>> to remove when the time comes. Butyl is not rated for underwater use but so >>> far has worked well for me in fresh water. Better to get the proper gasket >>> material. >>> >>> BTW, I was able to remove the cap and the centerboard while the boat was >>> on its trailer and have not heard of others needing to raise the boat for >>> that purpose but keep in mind that there appears to be a lot of variation >>> in the construction of the boat over the years and what works for one >>> person might not work in another situation. My boat is a 1976 model so it >>> has the older version of the centerboard. However, I would try to do the >>> work while on the trailer first and raise the boat only if that becomes >>> necessary. >>> >>> While removing the centerboard and fixing the enclosure cap and flange >>> could be done while on the trailer, I discovered that I had serious damage >>> to the bottom of the keel housing with a large crack that went almost >>> entirely around the housing slot. So in the end I had to build a huge lift >>> so that I could work under the keel. My lift was a major project in itself >>> and probably overkill as I later learned that one person was able to >>> support the stern of the boat on a picnic table and support the front with >>> some sort of sawhorse arrangement. So there are definitely easier ways to >>> do this than what I did. The advantage of the lift is that I can raise the >>> boat high enough (5' between the bottom of the keel and the ground) to work >>> more comfortably under the keel and can also use it for my other two boats. >>> However, it is a very large structure. I can send pictures of the lift if >>> anyone is interested. >>> >>> >>> Graham Stewart >>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 >>> Kingston Ontario >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf >>> Of Mitch Mitchell >>> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 10:34 PM >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing Centerboard Gasket >>> >>> Thanks JP! Did you have to lower the centerboard to replace the gasket? If >>> that' the case then I would have to get the boat off of the trailer. The >>> screws in the cap look good (not rusty) but there are no washers. I haven't >>> removed the top cap yet but thought I would put the boat in the water once >>> more with the floorboard out so I could see if it was leaking. MM >>> >>> On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 7:14 PM JP Dempsey wrote: >>> >>>> Mitch, I had the same problem last year and finally determined that the >>>> centerboard gasket was the problem. They dry rot eventually. It is a >>>> "fairly" simple job that I ended up doing myself, but you'll have to >>>> purchase a new gasket. I would have purchased from Stan but the >>> centerboard >>>> trunk cover was cracked and needed repair that I was not willing to >>>> attempt. >>>> Also you want to be sure that you drill holes that will match the >>> existing >>>> holes in you CB trunk flange and cover. I have a large collection of >>> photos >>>> that I took during the process. Removal of the trunk cover begins with >>>> removing the port berth/settee and the supporting structure in front of >>> the >>>> companionway. You'll need to remove the center section of the floorboard >>>> (sole) that runs from the inspection hatch back to beneath the >>>> companionway. >>>> (I removed all of the floorboards and found that they were severely >>> molded. >>>> These I replaced with new marine plywood treated with wood preservative >>> and >>>> multiple coats of urethane marine varnish.) You will need to lower the >>> CB. >>>> I >>>> placed a block of wood underneath. Also you'll have to remove the painter >>>> tube between the companionway and the CB cover. If there is any rust on >>> the >>>> machine screws, replace them. McMaster-Carr is the best source. Use only >>>> 316 >>>> grade stainless steel. Also if your CB gasket is not fastened using >>> fender >>>> washers (mine wasn't) get them for both above and below the flange. I did >>>> all of this work while on the trailer during the off season. I believe >>> its >>>> also wise to re-seat all of the port lites and if you ever replace the >>> rub >>>> rail, re-caulk the topside/hull joint with 4200 Sealant. I'm attaching >>>> photos that I hope will help. >>>> < >>>> >>> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Cabin_Sole_Original_Sub_Floor_Before.jpg >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> JP Dempsey >>>> s/v Respite >>>> Rhodes 22 1989/2005 >>>> Marshall,VA >>>> -- >>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >>>> >>> > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From ric at stottarchitecture.com Mon Sep 30 11:22:04 2019 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 11:22:04 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing Centerboard Gasket In-Reply-To: References: <1569799351860-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <005a01d57746$1f61d920$5e258b60$@ca> <68152FC7-52D6-469C-B670-BFB4E80A1076@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: Thanks Mary Lou! I?ll ring ?im up. Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP www.stottarchitecture.com Office 631-283-1777 Cell 516-965-3164 > On Sep 30, 2019, at 11:11 AM, Mary Lou Troy wrote: > > Ric, > So sorry to hear about your misadventure. In the past GB has been able to provide replacement centerboard caps. I remember at an Annapolis gathering one year one of the attendees walking around with his brand new cap from Stan. I would try to contact him first. > Best of luck, > Mary Lou > > On 9/30/2019 10:44 AM, Richard Stott wrote: >> Boy do I have a gasket/cap project! >> The attached photo shows what can happen when the boat is launched with the Center Board line not cleated. >> Here is the story - and I?m sticking to it. >> I have had my ?84 Continental since I inherited it from my dad who bought it used in ?89. >> I have re-bult most of the interior and I use the boat a lot. >> For 6 years I?ve had it hauled and lunched professionally back and forth to my driveway. >> This year I finally completed that trailer rebuild project and hauled it for the first time on the rebuilt trailer. >> Everything went smoothly until the boat was out and I was not happy with the balance on the trailer. >> I decided to re-lauch and move the boat further toward the trailer tongue. >> While the boat was out, I asked my helper to release the ?red? line on the bulkhead - I was going to begin de-rigging and roll up the jib fuller, but got distracted with the boat position. . >> I meant the jib fuller, but my helper ( good sailer, but not familiar with the boat) released the CB cleat (also red) which I didn?t realize. >> When we relaunched, the boat slid nicely off the trailer and into the shallow water at the ramp. >> The CB deployed as the boat was moving backward - and hit the shallow bottom. >> >> Before we realized what happened, we had the boat back on the trailer. >> Something was odd, but I didn?t know what. >> When we pulled it the 2nd time, the trailer tires looked flat and the trailer seemed even more unbalanced - it was also pouring water from the boat. >> I climbed on and discovered the CB popping through the CB trunk cap and water had filled the boat to the a few inches over the cabin sole floor. >> We had managed to ?sink? Dadventure, right on its new trailer. >> Flooded the pull-out storage box, my tool box, multi-meter and lots of stuff that doesn?t like to be wet. >> It broke the 3/4? plywood sole cover in the process, which is an easy fix - the cap - not so much. >> What a mess! >> >> I was considering replacing my original CB with a Diamond Board - maybe now is the time. >> Can anyone explain the pros/cons of such a change? >> Can I get a new cap from Stan or do I have to rebuild one myself? >> >> I can tell you with certainty that the same thing will never happen again, but this is a major repair that I didn?t expect. >> Ric >> sv Dadventure >> >> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP >> www.stottarchitecture.com >> Office 631-283-1777 >> Cell 516-965-3164 >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Sep 30, 2019, at 9:56 AM, Mitch Mitchell wrote: >>> >>> Wow! Thanks for the info. Sounds like that was quite a project. Hopefully >>> all I will need to do is replace the gasket. I like the idea of bolts and >>> washers. >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 12:18 AM Graham Stewart wrote: >>> >>>> Mitch: >>>> >>>> Replacing the gasket is not difficult but is a major PITA. Any >>>> reconstruction of the cap or flange is also a possibility and adds to the >>>> pain. Good idea to check it out in the water before you take it all apart. >>>> >>>> Eventually, however, it will probably be necessary to do this job if for >>>> no other reason than to replace the line and pulleys. >>>> On my boat the removal of the cap was made infinitely worse by virtue of >>>> the fact that some previous owner used 5200 sealant and then put fiberglass >>>> over the top of the cap. As a result I broke the cap in two pieces getting >>>> it off and damaged the housing flange with large gouges. Hopefully you will >>>> not face that issue. No one else has reported a similar problem on this >>>> list that I have seen. >>>> >>>> I would replace the screws with stainless steel bolts and use large fender >>>> washers and lock washers.I think it is better to punch clean holes in the >>>> gasket rather than drilling them. >>>> >>>> I did not think I had access to the proper gasket material and substituted >>>> other neoprene material that I thought would work. As a result I could not >>>> get a perfect seal without using a sealant. I chose to use butyl tape as it >>>> makes an excellent seal but has very low adhesive properties and so is easy >>>> to remove when the time comes. Butyl is not rated for underwater use but so >>>> far has worked well for me in fresh water. Better to get the proper gasket >>>> material. >>>> >>>> BTW, I was able to remove the cap and the centerboard while the boat was >>>> on its trailer and have not heard of others needing to raise the boat for >>>> that purpose but keep in mind that there appears to be a lot of variation >>>> in the construction of the boat over the years and what works for one >>>> person might not work in another situation. My boat is a 1976 model so it >>>> has the older version of the centerboard. However, I would try to do the >>>> work while on the trailer first and raise the boat only if that becomes >>>> necessary. >>>> >>>> While removing the centerboard and fixing the enclosure cap and flange >>>> could be done while on the trailer, I discovered that I had serious damage >>>> to the bottom of the keel housing with a large crack that went almost >>>> entirely around the housing slot. So in the end I had to build a huge lift >>>> so that I could work under the keel. My lift was a major project in itself >>>> and probably overkill as I later learned that one person was able to >>>> support the stern of the boat on a picnic table and support the front with >>>> some sort of sawhorse arrangement. So there are definitely easier ways to >>>> do this than what I did. The advantage of the lift is that I can raise the >>>> boat high enough (5' between the bottom of the keel and the ground) to work >>>> more comfortably under the keel and can also use it for my other two boats. >>>> However, it is a very large structure. I can send pictures of the lift if >>>> anyone is interested. >>>> >>>> >>>> Graham Stewart >>>> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22 >>>> Kingston Ontario >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf >>>> Of Mitch Mitchell >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 10:34 PM >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing Centerboard Gasket >>>> >>>> Thanks JP! Did you have to lower the centerboard to replace the gasket? If >>>> that' the case then I would have to get the boat off of the trailer. The >>>> screws in the cap look good (not rusty) but there are no washers. I haven't >>>> removed the top cap yet but thought I would put the boat in the water once >>>> more with the floorboard out so I could see if it was leaking. MM >>>> >>>> On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 7:14 PM JP Dempsey wrote: >>>> >>>>> Mitch, I had the same problem last year and finally determined that the >>>>> centerboard gasket was the problem. They dry rot eventually. It is a >>>>> "fairly" simple job that I ended up doing myself, but you'll have to >>>>> purchase a new gasket. I would have purchased from Stan but the >>>> centerboard >>>>> trunk cover was cracked and needed repair that I was not willing to >>>>> attempt. >>>>> Also you want to be sure that you drill holes that will match the >>>> existing >>>>> holes in you CB trunk flange and cover. I have a large collection of >>>> photos >>>>> that I took during the process. Removal of the trunk cover begins with >>>>> removing the port berth/settee and the supporting structure in front of >>>> the >>>>> companionway. You'll need to remove the center section of the floorboard >>>>> (sole) that runs from the inspection hatch back to beneath the >>>>> companionway. >>>>> (I removed all of the floorboards and found that they were severely >>>> molded. >>>>> These I replaced with new marine plywood treated with wood preservative >>>> and >>>>> multiple coats of urethane marine varnish.) You will need to lower the >>>> CB. >>>>> I >>>>> placed a block of wood underneath. Also you'll have to remove the painter >>>>> tube between the companionway and the CB cover. If there is any rust on >>>> the >>>>> machine screws, replace them. McMaster-Carr is the best source. Use only >>>>> 316 >>>>> grade stainless steel. Also if your CB gasket is not fastened using >>>> fender >>>>> washers (mine wasn't) get them for both above and below the flange. I did >>>>> all of this work while on the trailer during the off season. I believe >>>> its >>>>> also wise to re-seat all of the port lites and if you ever replace the >>>> rub >>>>> rail, re-caulk the topside/hull joint with 4200 Sealant. I'm attaching >>>>> photos that I hope will help. >>>>> < >>>>> >>>> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Cabin_Sole_Original_Sub_Floor_Before.jpg >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> JP Dempsey >>>>> s/v Respite >>>>> Rhodes 22 1989/2005 >>>>> Marshall,VA >>>>> -- >>>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >>>>> >>>> >> > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com Mon Sep 30 11:58:08 2019 From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 11:58:08 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail on my Rhodes and leaks! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes i said 21 +\- points of entry: but furthur counting reveals more: 8 portlights. 1 sliding hatch 1 starboard through hull 1 sink drain tube/bilge hose 1 hull to deck joint 1 companionway hatch 1 centerboard pennant through hull fitting 1 centerboard pennant upper seat through hull 1 centerboard pennant tube 1 cockpit drain through hull 1 transducer through hull 1 speedo through hull 2 cockpit drain tubes 2 seat through hulls 1 aft lazarette lid 1 bow ventilator 1 centerboard cap/gasket (0-3) Plus some boats have up to three cabin top hatches. You can also add : 1 the mast electric cable fitting 1 the main cockpit drain hose. Multiple grab rail bolts etc. Which brings the total to something like 35+\- points of water entry. Have fun detective! I had most of these leaking when i got my boat! Boy was that fun! Bob (palatka) > On Sep 29, 2019, at 4:28 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > You might also want to check your thru hull fittings. I recently had the same problem and it turned out to be port thru hull fitting that was leaking. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 28, 2019, at 3:01 PM, Mitch Mitchell wrote: >> >> Thanks Chris, I did just check out the hoses and although old and brittle I >> did not see any evidence of a leak. Looks like it must be the centerboard >> gasket. I'll do a little research on how to replace that. MM >> >> On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 7:54 AM Chris Cowie >> wrote: >> >>> The sink hose and lazarret hose should be easy to inspect and test. >>> Sometimes the centerboard cap leaks and the gasket would then need to be >>> replaced. >>> >>> >>> Please note our new office address and phone number >>> >>> Christopher P. Cowie [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] >>> [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] >>> >>> 700 N Fairfax Street >>> Suite 304 >>> Alexandria, Virginia 22314 >>> 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 >>> mobile >>> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] >>> >>> [cid:image001.jpg at 01D24014.7A2D04E0] >>> >>> Please consider the environment before printing this email. >>> >>> >>> On Sep 28, 2019, at 7:45 AM, Mitch Mitchell >> mitchpadl at gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Well, I bought my Rhodes 22 (1990) about a year ago and finally got it out >>> for the first real sail yesterday. After reading Thomas's post I felt I had >>> been wimping out waiting for the perfect conditions! anyway, the original >>> forecast was 10 - 15 but of course it was a steady 20 with gusts higher. >>> The boat sailed great (mostly with just the mainsail) however upon >>> returning to the ramp and loading the boat back on the trailer I noticed >>> the carpet wet in the cabin and pulled it back and looked in the sump area >>> and it was full of water. After bailing about 10 gallons we took the boat >>> home and now need to figure out the problem. Hopefully someone can direct >>> me on how to troubleshoot. The boat was heeled over quite a bit for most of >>> the time so wondering if water could have been forced through the sink >>> drain and the other opening since I would imagine the hoses to those are >>> dry rotted on the inside. Thanks for any suggestions! Mitch >>> > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Mon Sep 30 14:48:35 2019 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (mweisner at ebsmed.com) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 14:48:35 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing Centerboard Gasket In-Reply-To: <68152FC7-52D6-469C-B670-BFB4E80A1076@stottarchitecture.com> References: <1569799351860-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <005a01d57746$1f61d920$5e258b60$@ca> <68152FC7-52D6-469C-B670-BFB4E80A1076@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: <005001d577bf$aae15290$00a3f7b0$@ebsmed.com> A lesson learned! Not to rub salt in the wound, I didn't see the picture. What a mess! Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Richard Stott Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 10:45 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing Centerboard Gasket Boy do I have a gasket/cap project! The attached photo shows what can happen when the boat is launched with the Center Board line not cleated. Here is the story - and I?m sticking to it. I have had my ?84 Continental since I inherited it from my dad who bought it used in ?89. I have re-bult most of the interior and I use the boat a lot. For 6 years I?ve had it hauled and lunched professionally back and forth to my driveway. This year I finally completed that trailer rebuild project and hauled it for the first time on the rebuilt trailer. Everything went smoothly until the boat was out and I was not happy with the balance on the trailer. I decided to re-lauch and move the boat further toward the trailer tongue. While the boat was out, I asked my helper to release the ?red? line on the bulkhead - I was going to begin de-rigging and roll up the jib fuller, but got distracted with the boat position. . I meant the jib fuller, but my helper ( good sailer, but not familiar with the boat) released the CB cleat (also red) which I didn?t realize. When we relaunched, the boat slid nicely off the trailer and into the shallow water at the ramp. The CB deployed as the boat was moving backward - and hit the shallow bottom. Before we realized what happened, we had the boat back on the trailer. Something was odd, but I didn?t know what. When we pulled it the 2nd time, the trailer tires looked flat and the trailer seemed even more unbalanced - it was also pouring water from the boat. I climbed on and discovered the CB popping through the CB trunk cap and water had filled the boat to the a few inches over the cabin sole floor. We had managed to ?sink? Dadventure, right on its new trailer. Flooded the pull-out storage box, my tool box, multi-meter and lots of stuff that doesn?t like to be wet. It broke the 3/4? plywood sole cover in the process, which is an easy fix - the cap - not so much. What a mess! I was considering replacing my original CB with a Diamond Board - maybe now is the time. Can anyone explain the pros/cons of such a change? Can I get a new cap from Stan or do I have to rebuild one myself? I can tell you with certainty that the same thing will never happen again, but this is a major repair that I didn?t expect. Ric sv Dadventure Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP www.stottarchitecture.com Office 631-283-1777 Cell 516-965-3164