[Rhodes22-list] CB Pennant drain

Thu Aug 13 22:12:24 EDT 2020

Jesse:  

When you strip the boat to the hull and even remove half of the deck to replace the core then there isn't much that one hasn't done. At the same time I can't think of anything that I have done that I wouldn't do differently if I were to do it again. Such are the limits of "experience".

I have attached a picture of the back of the companion way where I used various methods to gain access. The small hole with the plastic cap is very neat and small but I had a devil of a time getting the hose to release from the thru hull. The small hole only works if the screw for the hose clamp is facing the hole and I still needed to create an opening from below that was big enough to get my hand up inside. Someone in the past thought it was a good idea to seal the hose to the barb end of the thru-hull with 5200 so in the end I had to cut the barb end off with a dremmel and replace the entire thru-hull. 

The other much larger 5" opening  was put in to give me access to a wiring terminal box. I cut the hole with an adjustable hole saw and covered it with an inspection cover. Note that an "inspection cover" and a "deck plate" look identical in pictures but inspection ports are light duty and about half the price of a deck plate - which would be overkill in this situation. I cut the hole lower than I should have with the result that the flange overhangs the edge. If I had wanted to use this approach with the hose I would not have had room for a hole larger than 4".

Graham

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Jesse Shumaker
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 11:03 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CB Pennant drain

Graham, once again you have already gone where I might have to go :)

I like your idea to install an inspection port for access.  That would be
great if you could share a photo of your solution.  Thanks!

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 9:58 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> Jesse:
> Once again it appears that every boat is a bit different but that said, I
> have done what you seem to be suggesting in order to get to the hose clamp.
> on I drilled a hole about 1.5" in the front panel and another under the
> lip. I then covered the holes with large plastic plugs. Even so it was a
> struggle to undo the tube from the thru hull.
>
> If I were to do it again I would cut a much larger hole, perhaps 6", to
> allow for easier access. I would then use a inspection plate (
> https://www.marineoutfitters.ca/index.cfm?category=10681|10682&product=56378931&code=900000001318)
> to cover the hole. The hole is also very handy if you need to fish wires
> and cables.
>
> I can send a picture if that would help.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of Jesse Shumaker
> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 9:32 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CB Pennant drain
>
> Mark, thanks for sharing.
>
> On my 1991 R22, it appears that the CB pennant hoses are aft of the cabin
> and forward of the cockpit so they are hidden from view.  If I had to
> access that, I assume that I would need to cut out a panel of the
> fiberglass at the aft of the cabin.  Has anyone on the list done that?  I
> ask because I'm going to be replacing my centerboard pennant at the end of
> the season.  I plan to use a messenger line to accomplish this and plan to
> leave the existing hoses in place but in case that goes poorly, it would be
> good to have a backup plan.
>
> Jesse Shumaker
> S/V Zephyr
>
> On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 8:21 AM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Just in case you wanted to know the rest of the story:
> >
> > Yesterday I finally got around to completing the replacement of drain on
> > the bridge deck that the centerboard pennant runs through. I have a 2000
> > Rhodes 22.
> >
> > It took a little bit of experimentation but I found a 1 1/4" ID hose fits
> > the upper part of the drain and a 3/4" hose fits on the bottom. I got a 1
> > 1/4" to 3/4" adapter to join the two. Add some hose clamps, remember to
> > thread the CB pennant through it all before installing, and then it's
> just
> > getting the lengths right so it can all go together but still be long
> > enough to be clamped. Attached is a couple pics of the finished product
> > along with the monstrosity I removed. What you don't see in the "before"
> > shot is the completely rusted hose clamps that I had to use a Dremel to
> > remove. The slit in the old hose is also from the removal process.
> >
> > Mark
> > --
> > Boston, MA
> >
> > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
> > 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale*
> > 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale*
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 8:10 PM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > If this is in the archives somewhere let me know. I've done a little
> > > searching on Nabble and didn't find what I needed. I need to replace
> the
> > > hose that connects the drain the CB/diamondboard pennant runs through.
> > >
> > > It looks like the OD of the lower section (closer to the CB) is 7/8"
> OD.
> > > The top section where the pennant exits is about 1" ID, so I'm guessing
> > > it's about 1 1/4" OD. Total possible length looks to be about 10". The
> > > difference in diameters partially explains the abomination that I
> > removed.
> > > Someone tried to mate two different hoses with clamps and lots of
> > silicone.
> > >
> > > What has worked well for you in replacing this drain hose? I am
> wondering
> > > if I can get a hose that will fit the upper part of the drain, and then
> > use
> > > a modified section of that same hose to bring the bottom fitting closer
> > to
> > > 1 1/4". Then I'd put the larger hose over the smaller one, clamping the
> > > smaller section low and then the larger, overlapping hose as well.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Mark Whipple
> > > Boston, MA
> > >
> > > 2000 R22 Luna Mia
> > > 1987 Nimble 30 (for sale)
> > > 1982 ComPac 16 (for sale)
> > >
> > >
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