[Rhodes22-list] Bilge

Tue Aug 18 12:10:50 EDT 2020

Interesting, thanks Graham.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 11:41 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> Regarding the use of silicone for ports.
>
> Beckson, one of the largest manufacturer specifies that silicone SHOULD be
> used :
>
> Their installation instructions are found here:
> https://www.beckson.com/installport.html
>
> "Choice of Sealant:
>
> There are many brands of caulk, adhesive and sealant available in your
> marine chandlery or hardware store, but be wary, not all are like. Many are
> for specific applications and may contain solvents that are destructive to
> thermoplastics. Chemical solvents should not be used for clean up.
>
> Beckson recommends 100% silicone sealant only.
>
> Beckson recommends 100% silicone sealant only. Availability of silicone
> varies regionally. Please contact your sealant manufacturer for the most up
> to date information with regard to materials and compatibility. Silicone
> has been around for nearly 50 years without sign of failure. Most other
> caulks and sealants fail after 10 years. When a port is installed properly,
> silicone works best for years of enjoyment.
>
> Sanding previously caulked areas:
>
> Previously caulked or sealed areas must be sanded in order to remove the
> old caulk. If not removed, a strong bond will not occur. Surfaces may
> appear to be free of caulk to the eye, but residue may still be present on
> the gel coat. Sand lightly with 220 grit paper to prepare for the silicone
> sealant."
>
> Check with the port manufacturer before deciding. Butyl is probably a safe
> choice but while it is an excellent sealant it is very weak as an adhesive.
> On a slightly curves surface that adhesive quality might be important.
>
> Graham Stewart
> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of Mitch Mitchell
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 10:48 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bilge
>
> Thanks Mark, hopefully the previous owner didn't use silicone. I'm hoping
> the port frame will come off easily.
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 10:39 AM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Mitch,
> >
> > I'm not an expert on sealants but I think butyl tape would work for
> > resealing the ports. What I am sure of is you should NEVER use a
> > silicone-based sealant on a boat. Silicone makes a chemical bond with any
> > surface it touches. Once you have silicone on a surface, nothing else
> will
> > bond to it - not even more silicone. When you think you've removed
> silicone
> > from a surface there is still residue you can't see. You have to apply a
> > chemical called a "digester" to chemically break down and remove the
> > silicone residue. I was recently repairing a skylight on my Nimble 30 and
> > had to do the job all over because the sealant I used failed to bond. I
> > didn't realize silicone had been used previously.
> >
> > Mark
> > --
> > Boston, MA
> >
> > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
> > 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale*
> > 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale*
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 10:28 AM Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I have also discovered water in the bilge whenever the boat is in the
> > rain
> > > and not covered. I have traced it to a window, the vhf connector and
> > water
> > > also shows up in the lazarette. I know that there have been a number of
> > > threads on this before but wondering if there is a consensus on the
> best
> > > way to seal the small windows? I'm thinking butyl tape but not sure.
> I've
> > > also had the bilge seem dry but if I lift the bow up water magically
> > > appears and if I dry it and then lower the bow (on trailer) then once
> > again
> > > more water appears as it must be seeping in from other areas. Any input
> > > would be great. Thanks, Mitch
> > >
> > > On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 11:36 AM Michael Corley <
> michael.4591 at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I agree with Graham.  "I think I have determined that water leaks in
> my
> > > > boat are a function of how my boat happens to be feeling at any
> > > particular
> > > > time."
> > > > The little bit of water I get in my bilge comes mainly after
> > rainstorms.
> > > > No evidence of leaks  .  .  . of course it could be the 21 year old
> > ports
> > > > and hatches need resetting/replacement.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > S/V Ranger
> > > > 99 Rhodes
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 10:40 PM Nancy <njcassie at optonline.net>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Had a good rain today and will investigate in the morning. Feel
> like
> > a
> > > > > detective
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Aug 16, 2020, at 10:18 PM, Tex Hill <Tejas.Hill at outlook.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You are probably right, I have had similar experience.(:
> > > > > > Tex
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sent from my iPad
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> On Aug 16, 2020, at 9:05 PM, Graham Stewart <
> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Two seasons ago  I had a variety of leaks in two windows, the
> > > > > companion way, the vent and the lazarette. Any rain at all and the
> > > water
> > > > > would flow in. On the otherhand if I ried to locate the leak using
> a
> > > hose
> > > > > and pouring copious amounts of water everywhere that seemed
> suspect,
> > no
> > > > > water entered the boat. Last year, because of the highwater in lake
> > > > Ontario
> > > > > I was not able to launch and the boat remaind under cover. I
> > committed
> > > > > myself to track down and repair the leaks this year. I strung paper
> > > towel
> > > > > everywhere I thought was suspect and waited for a good rain to
> > identify
> > > > the
> > > > > leaks based on the telltale signs left on the paper towel. We have
> > had
> > > a
> > > > > number of torrential downpours this year and so far not a drop of
> > water
> > > > in
> > > > > the boat.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I think I have determined that water leaks in my boat are a
> > function
> > > > of
> > > > > how my boat happens to be feeling at any particular time.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Graham Stewart
> > > > > >> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> > > > > >> Kingston Ontario
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > > >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]
> > On
> > > > > Behalf Of Tex Hill
> > > > > >> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 3:53 PM
> > > > > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > > > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bilge
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> My daughter had a subtle leak  that was hard to see how  water
> got
> > > > into
> > > > > the bilge. They finally traced it to one of the ports, removed the
> > > port,
> > > > > caulked It . Problem solved.
> > > > > >> Tex Hill
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Sent from my iPad
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>>> On Aug 15, 2020, at 8:39 PM, Nancy <njcassie at optonline.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Thanks
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Sent from my iPhone
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>>> On Aug 15, 2020, at 9:04 PM, Peter Nyberg <
> > > peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> It’s likely that something got soaked and water is continuing
> > to
> > > > > seep out slowly into the bilge.  I’d keep an eye on it, but I doubt
> > > it’s
> > > > > anything to worry about.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> —Peter
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> On Aug 15, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Nancy <njcassie at optonline.net>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> We had a lot of water in the bilge after the tropical storm.
> > > Pumped
> > > > > it all out. We seem to have 1/2” clear water in the bilge now. Eve.
> > If
> > > we
> > > > > pump to dryness, it comes back clear, small amount.  Thoughts?
> > > > > >>>>> Thanks in advance.
> > > > > >>>>> Nancy C
> > > > > >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>
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