[Rhodes22-list] Saildrive

Wed Aug 26 17:08:44 EDT 2020

That's it! Anyone know how it's working over the years, as few they have
been so far? I dearly want to get the 8hp merc4 stroke off the transom.

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 3:59 PM Weiss, Robert L <rweiss at siu.edu> wrote:

> Three years ago I went out and did some volunteer work for Stan and also
> helped out at the boat show. I worked on that boat with the electric motor
> in the lazarette. He built a well in the lazarette and the motor was on a
> lift system that pulled it up into the well when not used so less drag. It
> was to be connected wirelessly to a throttle mounted on the gunnel.
>
> Bob
>
> Robert L Weiss Jr.
> Director of Music
> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
> Professor Emeritus, SIUC
> ________________________________
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> Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Saildrive
>
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> Believe that sailboat 2 maby 3 years ago was in the Annapolis boat show .
> think sold to some one on west cost Seattle? Stan did design and build one
> with Torpedo's equipment mounted inside lazaret    Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> To: Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2020 4:33 pm
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Saildrive
>
> Stan had mentioned to me he had an idea where it would even retract, based
> on some torqueedo parts.
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 2:17 PM Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> > Electric sail drive would be the ultimate.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Aug 26, 2020, at 12:06 PM, Jesse Shumaker <
> > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Mark, it sounds like your R22 has even more bells and whistles than
> > most!
> > > I'm curious about your self tending jib.  I've only seen that feature
> on
> > > larger boats such as Island Packets.  Have you found the self tending
> jib
> > > to work well?
> > >
> > > Jesse Shumaker
> > > S/V Zephyr
> > >
> > >> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:42 AM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com
> >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> FWIW, I'm pretty sure the drive is at about the same depth as the
> keel.
> > >> I'll try to take a picture from the side later today. Also the rudder
> > >> redirects some of the prop wash since the prop is in front. I haven't
> > >> had it in the water yet this year (soon!) but I recall the feeling of
> > the
> > >> prop wash on the wheel was a little weird. Yes, my boat has a wheel
> and
> > a
> > >> self-tending jib, too. Not sure if it will get up on a plane. We'll
> see.
> > >>
> > >> Mark
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 11:31 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com
> >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Cory - that’s a really interesting install.
> > >>> Is 15 HP enough to get on a plane?
> > >>> It would not work for my needs - it’s too deep.
> > >>> I would need the prop to be no deeper than the bottom of the keel,
> and
> > I
> > >>> would mount it in the middle of the cockpit floor, about a foot aft
> of
> > >> the
> > >>> end of the keel,  understanding that the motor head (probably
> electric
> > >> and
> > >>> smaller than the Yamaha head) would require a low cover above the
> > cockpit
> > >>> floor.
> > >>> I would also like it to be a steerable sail drive with a remote.
> > >>> Not sure that such a thing is even available.
> > >>> Thanks
> > >>>
> > >>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > >>>
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> > >>> Cell            516-965-3164
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 11:18 AM, Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Ric,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Here's a few pictures I dug up. I'm currently hunting for a source
> for
> > >>> the
> > >>>> zincs.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Mark
> > >>>> [image: Rhodes 22 MA CL 03.jpg]
> > >>>> [image: Rhodes 22 MA CL 04.jpg]
> > >>>> [image: Rhodes 22 MA CL 08.jpg]
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> [image: 20200824_165705.jpg]
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:53 AM Richard Stott <
> > >>> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Mark
> > >>>>> 15 HP is a lot of motor.
> > >>>>> Can you show us a pic of where its mounted?
> > >>>>> Any pics of it under the boat?
> > >>>>> Can you share performance and maneuverability with us?
> > >>>>> I’m dying to know more about this.
> > >>>>> A steerable unit is my fantasy but a fixed one might work.
> > >>>>> Ric
> > >>>>> sv Dadventure
> > >>>>> HBNY
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > >>>>>
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> > >>>>> Office  631-283-1777
> > >>>>> Cell            516-965-3164
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Mark Whipple <
> mark at whipplefamily.com>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hi Richard,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I purchased my 2000 R22 last year and it came with a 15hp Yamaha
> > >>>>> saildrive.
> > >>>>>> I haven't had a chance to use the boat much yet, but it seems like
> > it
> > >>>>> will
> > >>>>>> address many of the issues with an outboard on the transom
> > >>>>>> (raising/lowering, keeping the drive underwater).
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Unfortunately the company that made this saildrive is essentially
> > out
> > >>> of
> > >>>>>> business. I am concerned about what I'll have to do once this
> > >> saildrive
> > >>>>>> needs a part I can't get or needs a costly repair. I'm not sure I
> > >> like
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>>> alternative solutions that involve a motor on the transom. Maybe I
> > >> need
> > >>>>> to
> > >>>>>> start saving my pennies toward a replacement. Regarding that
> option,
> > >>> the
> > >>>>>> saildrives I've seen tend to have larger engine than mine - often
> a
> > >>>>> diesel.
> > >>>>>> Mine is essentially a Yamaha (made by Parsun) outboard head so
> it's
> > >> not
> > >>>>>> very tall. Maybe I'll be lucky and not have to solve the
> replacement
> > >>>>>> problem.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Mark
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> --
> > >>>>>> Boston, MA
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
> > >>>>>> 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale*
> > >>>>>> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale*
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:14 AM Richard Stott <
> > >>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Cary
> > >>>>>>> My ’84 GB mount broke on spring launch the year and my Yamaha 8
> > went
> > >>> in
> > >>>>>>> the drink.
> > >>>>>>> I purchased a motor mount from West marine immediately so I could
> > >>>>> continue
> > >>>>>>> to use the boat with a spare motor I happened to have on hand.
> > >>>>>>> Its a stinky smoky ’99 Merc 2 stroke, but it always starts and
> runs
> > >>> when
> > >>>>>>> it need it - well almost always.
> > >>>>>>> I talked it over on the list and discussed with Mike Riter a plan
> > to
> > >>>>>>> convert the GB mount to be equipped with a threaded gear (his
> > >> sketch)
> > >>> so
> > >>>>>>> that the mont can be moved with a manual crank or an electric
> > motor.
> > >>>>>>> This would be huge advantage over the 6/1 tackle it came equipped
> > >>> with.
> > >>>>>>> I’ve been enjoying the boat too much to stop and refine that
> design
> > >> of
> > >>>>>>> Mikes - that’s a winter project.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> In any case the parallelogram type mount works fairly well, it
> has
> > >>> pros
> > >>>>>>> and cons.
> > >>>>>>> One of the biggest cons is that the moro in the down position is
> > >>> father
> > >>>>>>> aft of the transom and will cavitate and lose thrust in larger
> > >> waves,
> > >>>>>>> especially with weight on the bow.
> > >>>>>>> I will like the GB system (modified) over the alternative, but
> the
> > >>> West
> > >>>>>>> marine mount was easy to install and serves the immediate need.
> > >>>>>>> (What I really want is an electric,  steerable, remote
> controlled,
> > >> 20
> > >>> hp
> > >>>>>>> sail drive mounted right behind the keel trunk.)
> > >>>>>>> It’s doable for approximately one tone of money.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> One way I use the boat is unusual.
> > >>>>>>> I moore my boat 50 yards off shore.
> > >>>>>>> I use a stand-up paddle board for a tender because it's light and
> > >> easy
> > >>>>> to
> > >>>>>>> cary to the shore.
> > >>>>>>> I then use the motor only, with the rudder up, to back the boat
> on
> > >> to
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>>>> beach to pick up  provisions and of course my wife, who is not
> one
> > >> to
> > >>>>>>> paddle out to the boat.
> > >>>>>>> Depending on the tide and the slope of the beach, I can sometimes
> > >> put
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>>>> stern right on the beach.
> > >>>>>>> An opening in the stern rail, like the more modern R22s would be
> a
> > >>> huge
> > >>>>>>> asset for picking up passengers from the beach. (next year)
> > >>>>>>> Ric
> > >>>>>>> sv Dadventure
> > >>>>>>> stay tuned for ‘motor mount mod’ updates
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > >>>>>>>
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> >
> > >>>>>>> Office  631-283-1777
> > >>>>>>> Cell            516-965-3164
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 9:19 AM, Cary Tolbert <
> retiredtoby at gmail.com>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Preview attachment 20200825_174517.jpg
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> > >>>>>>>> Once
> > >>>>>>>> again HELP. Wed. the 25th I was motoring from my slip out on to
> > the
> > >>>>> lake
> > >>>>>>>> and kerplunk. The motor raising part of the boat fell off with
> the
> > >>>>> motor
> > >>>>>>>> attached and still running. I also had it attached with a s/s
> > >> chain.
> > >>>>>>> Lucky
> > >>>>>>>> or not.? ? ? Stan no longer makes the parts for an 86. He said
> he
> > >> has
> > >>>>>>> long
> > >>>>>>>> moved to newer and hopefully better designs. It seems the
> > starboard
> > >>>>>>>> material used to let the motor slide in the rails failed. My
> > >> question
> > >>>>> is
> > >>>>>>>> should I attempt to repair with parts of better materials or
> buy a
> > >>>>>>>> gerneric  system for raising and lowering one's motor . Say
> > >> something
> > >>>>>>> that
> > >>>>>>>> would fit a Catalina 22? Looking for advice from the centuries
> of
> > >>>>>>>> experience on the list
> > >>>>>>>> Cary Tolbert S/V Whisper '86
> > >>>>>>>> Radford, VA
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> --
> > >>>>>> Boston, MA
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
> > >>>>>> 1986 Nimble 30 *For Sale*
> > >>>>>> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale*
> > >>>>>
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