[Rhodes22-list] Saildrive

Sat Aug 29 23:04:54 EDT 2020

More on Take Five...the Torqeedo motor is the Cruise 4.0 pod system, powered by two lithium ion batteries, for a propulsive equivalent to gasoline of 8hp. Stan mounted the two batteries in series under the starboard cockpit seat. This cuts down on storage, but better I think than having to store cans of gasoline. Also the weight of the two batteries (about 120 pounds) causes the boat to list to starboard unless you counterbalance it on the port side. I used four 25 pound barbell weights for that, since they are compact space wise. We keep her in the watet at Swantown Marina in Olympia. The well in the lazarette did not have anti fouling paint at first and a year later it was clogged with critters. Almost could not lower the pod. But after having that painted just need to remember to lift the pod out of the water after use, which also saves on anode wear. Range fully charged is about 25 miles at 3 knots unless fighting the tide. We also have a smaller Torqeedo Travel 1003 with extra batteries that, though a bit underpowered for this boat, can still move her another 20 miles using all the batteries if necessary. In Puget Sound we're never more than 8 or 10 miles from a marina with dock power. Will post photos of the motor if you want.
Patrick Boyce

> On 08/27/2020 5:37 AM cp.boyce at comcast.net wrote:
> 
>  
> That's our baby, Take Five.
> We are here on the West Coast only not Seattle, Olympia. It works beautifully, but we haven't, for various reasons, taken her out much at all in the last 18 months or so. She's getting her bottom painted as we speak. I hope we can get out more this tear as it may be the last we have her.
> 
> Celia Boyce
> 
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> 
> From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Sent: 2020-08-26 2:09:06 PM 
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Saildrive
> 
> That's it! Anyone know how it's working over the years, as few they have
> been so far? I dearly want to get the 8hp merc4 stroke off the transom.
> 
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 3:59 PM Weiss, Robert L <rweiss at siu.edu> wrote:
> 
> > Three years ago I went out and did some volunteer work for Stan and also
> > helped out at the boat show. I worked on that boat with the electric motor
> > in the lazarette. He built a well in the lazarette and the motor was on a
> > lift system that pulled it up into the well when not used so less drag. It
> > was to be connected wirelessly to a throttle mounted on the gunnel.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > Robert L Weiss Jr.
> > Director of Music
> > First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
> > Professor Emeritus, SIUC
> > ________________________________
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> > Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 3:48 PM
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Saildrive
> >
> > [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.
> >
> > Believe that sailboat 2 maby 3 years ago was in the Annapolis boat show .
> > think sold to some one on west cost Seattle? Stan did design and build one
> > with Torpedo's equipment mounted inside lazaret    Mark
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> > To: Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2020 4:33 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Saildrive
> >
> > Stan had mentioned to me he had an idea where it would even retract, based
> > on some torqueedo parts.
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 2:17 PM Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Electric sail drive would be the ultimate.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Aug 26, 2020, at 12:06 PM, Jesse Shumaker <
> > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Mark, it sounds like your R22 has even more bells and whistles than
> > > most!
> > > > I'm curious about your self tending jib.  I've only seen that feature
> > on
> > > > larger boats such as Island Packets.  Have you found the self tending
> > jib
> > > > to work well?
> > > >
> > > > Jesse Shumaker
> > > > S/V Zephyr
> > > >
> > > >> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:42 AM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com
> > >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> FWIW, I'm pretty sure the drive is at about the same depth as the
> > keel.
> > > >> I'll try to take a picture from the side later today. Also the rudder
> > > >> redirects some of the prop wash since the prop is in front. I haven't
> > > >> had it in the water yet this year (soon!) but I recall the feeling of
> > > the
> > > >> prop wash on the wheel was a little weird. Yes, my boat has a wheel
> > and
> > > a
> > > >> self-tending jib, too. Not sure if it will get up on a plane. We'll
> > see.
> > > >>
> > > >> Mark
> > > >>
> > > >> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 11:31 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com
> > >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Cory - that’s a really interesting install.
> > > >>> Is 15 HP enough to get on a plane?
> > > >>> It would not work for my needs - it’s too deep.
> > > >>> I would need the prop to be no deeper than the bottom of the keel,
> > and
> > > I
> > > >>> would mount it in the middle of the cockpit floor, about a foot aft
> > of
> > > >> the
> > > >>> end of the keel,  understanding that the motor head (probably
> > electric
> > > >> and
> > > >>> smaller than the Yamaha head) would require a low cover above the
> > > cockpit
> > > >>> floor.
> > > >>> I would also like it to be a steerable sail drive with a remote.
> > > >>> Not sure that such a thing is even available.
> > > >>> Thanks
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > > >>>
> > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.stottarchitecture.com__;!!DAxFFaumoJbh!PlQA_WtyYkzS4GNoAcAUUzzOP244-mDGavysZjDcyuTVO4TkE54763WQgVV9UQ$
> > > >>> Office  631-283-1777
> > > >>> Cell            516-965-3164
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 11:18 AM, Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Ric,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Here's a few pictures I dug up. I'm currently hunting for a source
> > for
> > > >>> the
> > > >>>> zincs.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Mark
> > > >>>> [image: Rhodes 22 MA CL 03.jpg]
> > > >>>> [image: Rhodes 22 MA CL 04.jpg]
> > > >>>> [image: Rhodes 22 MA CL 08.jpg]
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> [image: 20200824_165705.jpg]
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:53 AM Richard Stott <
> > > >>> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> > > >>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Mark
> > > >>>>> 15 HP is a lot of motor.
> > > >>>>> Can you show us a pic of where its mounted?
> > > >>>>> Any pics of it under the boat?
> > > >>>>> Can you share performance and maneuverability with us?
> > > >>>>> I’m dying to know more about this.
> > > >>>>> A steerable unit is my fantasy but a fixed one might work.
> > > >>>>> Ric
> > > >>>>> sv Dadventure
> > > >>>>> HBNY
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > > >>>>>
> > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.stottarchitecture.com__;!!DAxFFaumoJbh!PlQA_WtyYkzS4GNoAcAUUzzOP244-mDGavysZjDcyuTVO4TkE54763WQgVV9UQ$
> > > >>>>> Office  631-283-1777
> > > >>>>> Cell            516-965-3164
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Mark Whipple <
> > mark at whipplefamily.com>
> > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Hi Richard,
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> I purchased my 2000 R22 last year and it came with a 15hp Yamaha
> > > >>>>> saildrive.
> > > >>>>>> I haven't had a chance to use the boat much yet, but it seems like
> > > it
> > > >>>>> will
> > > >>>>>> address many of the issues with an outboard on the transom
> > > >>>>>> (raising/lowering, keeping the drive underwater).
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Unfortunately the company that made this saildrive is essentially
> > > out
> > > >>> of
> > > >>>>>> business. I am concerned about what I'll have to do once this
> > > >> saildrive
> > > >>>>>> needs a part I can't get or needs a costly repair. I'm not sure I
> > > >> like
> > > >>>>> the
> > > >>>>>> alternative solutions that involve a motor on the transom. Maybe I
> > > >> need
> > > >>>>> to
> > > >>>>>> start saving my pennies toward a replacement. Regarding that
> > option,
> > > >>> the
> > > >>>>>> saildrives I've seen tend to have larger engine than mine - often
> > a
> > > >>>>> diesel.
> > > >>>>>> Mine is essentially a Yamaha (made by Parsun) outboard head so
> > it's
> > > >> not
> > > >>>>>> very tall. Maybe I'll be lucky and not have to solve the
> > replacement
> > > >>>>>> problem.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Mark
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> --
> > > >>>>>> Boston, MA
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
> > > >>>>>> 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale*
> > > >>>>>> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale*
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:14 AM Richard Stott <
> > > >>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Cary
> > > >>>>>>> My ’84 GB mount broke on spring launch the year and my Yamaha 8
> > > went
> > > >>> in
> > > >>>>>>> the drink.
> > > >>>>>>> I purchased a motor mount from West marine immediately so I could
> > > >>>>> continue
> > > >>>>>>> to use the boat with a spare motor I happened to have on hand.
> > > >>>>>>> Its a stinky smoky ’99 Merc 2 stroke, but it always starts and
> > runs
> > > >>> when
> > > >>>>>>> it need it - well almost always.
> > > >>>>>>> I talked it over on the list and discussed with Mike Riter a plan
> > > to
> > > >>>>>>> convert the GB mount to be equipped with a threaded gear (his
> > > >> sketch)
> > > >>> so
> > > >>>>>>> that the mont can be moved with a manual crank or an electric
> > > motor.
> > > >>>>>>> This would be huge advantage over the 6/1 tackle it came equipped
> > > >>> with.
> > > >>>>>>> I’ve been enjoying the boat too much to stop and refine that
> > design
> > > >> of
> > > >>>>>>> Mikes - that’s a winter project.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> In any case the parallelogram type mount works fairly well, it
> > has
> > > >>> pros
> > > >>>>>>> and cons.
> > > >>>>>>> One of the biggest cons is that the moro in the down position is
> > > >>> father
> > > >>>>>>> aft of the transom and will cavitate and lose thrust in larger
> > > >> waves,
> > > >>>>>>> especially with weight on the bow.
> > > >>>>>>> I will like the GB system (modified) over the alternative, but
> > the
> > > >>> West
> > > >>>>>>> marine mount was easy to install and serves the immediate need.
> > > >>>>>>> (What I really want is an electric,  steerable, remote
> > controlled,
> > > >> 20
> > > >>> hp
> > > >>>>>>> sail drive mounted right behind the keel trunk.)
> > > >>>>>>> It’s doable for approximately one tone of money.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> One way I use the boat is unusual.
> > > >>>>>>> I moore my boat 50 yards off shore.
> > > >>>>>>> I use a stand-up paddle board for a tender because it's light and
> > > >> easy
> > > >>>>> to
> > > >>>>>>> cary to the shore.
> > > >>>>>>> I then use the motor only, with the rudder up, to back the boat
> > on
> > > >> to
> > > >>>>> the
> > > >>>>>>> beach to pick up  provisions and of course my wife, who is not
> > one
> > > >> to
> > > >>>>>>> paddle out to the boat.
> > > >>>>>>> Depending on the tide and the slope of the beach, I can sometimes
> > > >> put
> > > >>>>> the
> > > >>>>>>> stern right on the beach.
> > > >>>>>>> An opening in the stern rail, like the more modern R22s would be
> > a
> > > >>> huge
> > > >>>>>>> asset for picking up passengers from the beach. (next year)
> > > >>>>>>> Ric
> > > >>>>>>> sv Dadventure
> > > >>>>>>> stay tuned for ‘motor mount mod’ updates
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > > >>>>>>>
> > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.stottarchitecture.com__;!!DAxFFaumoJbh!PlQA_WtyYkzS4GNoAcAUUzzOP244-mDGavysZjDcyuTVO4TkE54763WQgVV9UQ$
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> > >
> > > >>>>>>> Office  631-283-1777
> > > >>>>>>> Cell            516-965-3164
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 9:19 AM, Cary Tolbert <
> > retiredtoby at gmail.com>
> > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Preview attachment 20200825_174517.jpg
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> > > >>>>>>>> Once
> > > >>>>>>>> again HELP. Wed. the 25th I was motoring from my slip out on to
> > > the
> > > >>>>> lake
> > > >>>>>>>> and kerplunk. The motor raising part of the boat fell off with
> > the
> > > >>>>> motor
> > > >>>>>>>> attached and still running. I also had it attached with a s/s
> > > >> chain.
> > > >>>>>>> Lucky
> > > >>>>>>>> or not.? ? ? Stan no longer makes the parts for an 86. He said
> > he
> > > >> has
> > > >>>>>>> long
> > > >>>>>>>> moved to newer and hopefully better designs. It seems the
> > > starboard
> > > >>>>>>>> material used to let the motor slide in the rails failed. My
> > > >> question
> > > >>>>> is
> > > >>>>>>>> should I attempt to repair with parts of better materials or
> > buy a
> > > >>>>>>>> gerneric  system for raising and lowering one's motor . Say
> > > >> something
> > > >>>>>>> that
> > > >>>>>>>> would fit a Catalina 22? Looking for advice from the centuries
> > of
> > > >>>>>>>> experience on the list
> > > >>>>>>>> Cary Tolbert S/V Whisper '86
> > > >>>>>>>> Radford, VA
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> --
> > > >>>>>> Boston, MA
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
> > > >>>>>> 1986 Nimble 30 *For Sale*
> > > >>>>>> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale*
> > > >>>>>
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