[Rhodes22-list] How to: A Trouble-free Furling Main | Sail Magazine

[Jesse Shumaker]

Jay, thanks for sharing about your vertical battened main.  It sounds like
that has worked out well.  Is your Evolution sail about the same thickness
as the Doyle main?

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 5:41 AM Jay Friedland <jayf401 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Michael,
> I had the original battenless Doyle Sails that I upgraded from. Against
> other R22s w/ the Doyle sail with a batten, this seems stiffer especially
> now that it has 6 years of heavy use on it. The difference on the old Doyle
> and new Doyle is the most significant change though.
>
> Jay
>
> > On Jul 19, 2020, at 10:31 PM, Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:
> >
> > That's a really good looking sail Jay. Looking at the photo, I'm curious
> > about a couple things. First, did you have a Doyle before having the
> > Evolution made for your boat? And can you tell a noticable difference
> with
> > the extra batten?
> >
> > Michael Riter
> > SV Emma B
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 5:42 PM Jay Friedland <jayf401 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi, Tom,
> >> I opted to work with Evolution Sails in 2014, may be still in Easton,
> MD.,
> >> Scott Gibbs was the contact. They were good to work with, and the design
> >> was unique for our boat, straight leech, and 2 vertical battens, 1/4”
> round
> >> fiberglass rods, roughly at thirds, see attached photo, if it doesn’t
> get
> >> stripped away.
> >>
> >> Although I had some tweaks (more cosmetic than design- extended UV
> cover,
> >> tack line, R22 numbers, etc.) in the beginning, it’s performed
> flawlessly,
> >> especially this past year with Stan’s new outhaul car. I went through 2
> >> previous outhaul car designs over the last 6 years, which made it a
> little
> >> difficult to reef and furl in. The angle of the boom is critical to it’s
> >> compactness in the mast, and it’s original stiffness took a few weeks to
> >> settle in.
> >>
> >> Over the battenless version, I reef & furl on a port tack, although it
> goes
> >> right in when in irons or light winds (6-8 kts.) on starboard tack. It’s
> >> about the same size and was the same cost as the Doyle version, and
> about
> >> the same area UV cover. It is much stiffer than the single batten. If
> you
> >> ever in the Ocean County, NJ /Long Beach Island area, I go out at least
> 3-4
> >> times a week, now with masks, so a test sail is always available.
> >>
> >> Jay Friedland
> >> S/V Wanderlust, ‘97
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jul 19, 2020, at 4:30 PM, Jesse Shumaker <
> >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Tom,
> >>
> >> The R22 IMF furls in the opposite direction as the illustration
> depicting
> >> the Selden furling shown in the article.  There is a vertical batten
> that
> >> is inserted into the UV resistant portion of the sail, which is the
> thick
> >> colored section that sticks out when the sail is fully furled.  Forgoing
> >> battens on the rest of the main seems to the price you pay in terms of
> >> performance in exchange for the big benefits in terms of ease of using
> >> IMF.  Horizontal battens are reserved for mains that hoist in the
> >> traditional manner, or perhaps they could also be used on boom roller
> >> furling, which seems to be less common than IMF.   I've not heard of
> anyone
> >> else adding additional vertical battens and I'm not sure the mast would
> be
> >> large enough to accommodate the extra size of a furled sail including
> >> vertical battens.
> >>
> >> I haven't yet sailed on a larger boat with IMF, but people who have used
> >> those and then come on my R22 seem to be surprised about the ability to
> >> raise and lower the entire system (boom and mainsail) with the pin going
> >> through the gooseneck to the mast.  I suppose that's not an option on a
> >> larger boat because of the extra weight.  It is nice to have a high boom
> >> normally for plenty of room in the cockpit and to catch the most wind up
> >> high, but then be able to lower it quickly in stronger conditions.
> >> Lowering the center of effort reduces heeling.
> >>
> >> Maybe Chris G. could provide some perspectives on IMF for the R22 vs. a
> >> larger boat since he also has a Catalina 38(?) with IMF.
> >>
> >> Jesse Shumaker
> >> S/V Zephyr
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 2:39 PM Tom Van Heule <
> >> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi, I came across this article today - and was searching in the archives
> >> for any details - lots of talk on the IMF, but nothing explaining the
> >> system (that I have found!).  Aside, Is anyone using battens? vertical
> or
> >> horizontal?    Is the GBI system similar/different from the Selden
> >> description?
> >> https://www.sailmagazine.com/diy/how-to-a-trouble-free-furling-main
> >>
> >> It was a nice read to hear some support for IMF in either case.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Tom Van Heule
> >> Intrinsic Programs
> >> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com
> >> +1 303 525 5266
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