[Rhodes22-list] Emergency diamondboard help...at boatyard for only a little while longer
Michael D. Weisner
mweisner at ebsmed.com
Mon Jun 1 17:19:16 EDT 2020
Ric,
I love the phrase " when the CB entered the cabin."
Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I’d rather be sailing :~)
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From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Richard Stott
Sent: Monday, June 1, 2020 4:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Emergency diamondboard help...at boatyard for only a little while longer
HI Todd
I don’t have a Diamond board, I have the old style CB.
Here are some pics of how it is rigged including the hose pieces.
They can be anything, but do not make the diameter too big or they will impede the smoothness of the CB operation (on the old stye ) They do help quiet the banging noise, but they do not prevent it.
I‘ve taken my CB part 3 times now for various reasons.
I don’t want to do that any more.
Most recently, I installed a new cap after I destroyed the previous one when the CB entered the cabin.
Boating is a sure bet that something will happen the you never, ever expected.
More on that coming soon.
Ric
Dadventure
Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
www.stottarchitecture.com
Office 631-283-1777
Cell 516-965-3164
> On Jun 1, 2020, at 7:01 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Someone will surely post pictures, but they drop down into the slots on
> either side of the centerboard, on top of the pin.
>
> Todd T.
>
> tavares0947 at gmail.com
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020, 6:13 AM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Anyone have pictures of how the “scrap hose pieces” fit around the
>> diamondboard?
>>
>> On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 2:19 PM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I was also not shocked to not find the “two scraps of garden hose” I’ve
>>> heard so much about. I think they dampen noise and movement near the
>> pivot
>>> of the board, and my board does “rattle” while sailing whenever it’s not
>>> fully loaded. Does anyone have pictures of how/where those pieces of hose
>>> should go when I reassemble everything? Thanks again!
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 11:51 AM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Got the board pulled today and the local yard should be able to repair
>> it
>>>> this week. Here is a picture in case anyone is curious about the layers
>> of
>>>> construction.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 12:00 PM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Stan. I already have two of those three upgrades and love them
>>>>> but have been thinking about a new tiller at some point!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 11:02 AM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oliver,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> www.rhodes22parts.com has parts for the Rhodes that are not available
>>>>>> from marine suppliers. In the case of your diamond board however I do
>>>>>> think that it would be less costly if you have your current one
>>>>>> repaired
>>>>>> locally. Freight alone for a centerboard can be an item. With all
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> saving how about a new style outhaul car or a fabulous fiberglass
>>>>>> tiller
>>>>>> or the new invention traveler system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While you got me to my keyboard, a comment. Every action has an equal
>>>>>> and opposite reaction. Every recycled and new Rhodes has a yoke that
>>>>>> prevents the genoa line from leaving its drum so the energy needed to
>>>>>> pull out the sail is not altered. From a 94 year old perspective
>> every
>>>>>> ounce is an item. For you young bucks the extra force needed to pull
>>>>>> out the genoa with either Mikes or Rogers ingenious tension techniques
>>>>>> would hardly be measurable so a small price to pay. Besides who sails
>>>>>> at 94.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And Don, if you are listening, I have no recollection of your
>> inquiring
>>>>>> about a rub rail insert replacement. We have those in stock for Boston
>>>>>> Whaler owners since their boats came with red and we are the only ones
>>>>>> who also have that color. But the reflective tape idea sound
>>>>>> interesting?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/24/20 8:34 PM, Olivier Hecht wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Stan! It almost looked like that extra piece was glassed in...if
>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> than definitely glued down well. I think I’d damage the hull
>>>>>> interface just
>>>>>>> by removing it. I’m thinking about just enlarging the inner opening
>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>> keyhole saw to allow me to pull the board. I don’t think the slick
>>>>>> surface
>>>>>>> on the laminate gives the gasket the best matings surface
>>>>>> either...that
>>>>>>> might explain my slightly wet bilge. Do you sell new diamond boards,
>>>>>> or is
>>>>>>> it usually more economical to have them repaired locally?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 8:17 PM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mary Lou,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> since this is between me and you I am happy to join in to report
>>>>>> what my
>>>>>>>> now occasionally lying eyes are seeing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A prior owner, as is usually the case when someone reports on a
>>>>>>>> ridiculous design fault attributed to GB, sacrificed access to the
>>>>>> cb in
>>>>>>>> the cb trunk in favor of a quick improper fix.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The only recourse now for removing the cb is to take off the white
>>>>>>>> whatever it is, throw it away. lift out the cb. Fix what has to be
>>>>>>>> fixed. AND THEN REASSEMBLE THE ENTIRE CB SYSTEM AS GOD AND GB
>>>>>> DESIGNED
>>>>>>>> IT TO BE.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/24/20 7:17 PM, Mary Lou Troy wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Olivier,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The laminate is not standard R22 construction.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At one point we were going to do something to the board, I forget
>>>>>>>>> what, maybe replace the pennant or get rid of the pully in the
>>>>>> raising
>>>>>>>>> system and had ordered a new gasket from Stan. When we got it
>> apart
>>>>>>>>> and discovered the laminate, we abandoned the project. We asked
>> Stan
>>>>>>>>> about it and via email he basically shrugged his shoulders and
>> said
>>>>>>>>> something to the effect that "that wasn't our repair." It wasn't
>>>>>>>>> leaking, we found another way to do what we were going to do and
>>>>>>>>> forgot about it. In fact I didn't realize I still had the exchange
>>>>>>>>> with Stan in an old email program until now.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> After a bit of back and forth on a photo, Stan's exact words on
>> the
>>>>>>>>> subject from 2003 were:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "So what I am seeing is a fiberglass "washer" between the top lip
>> of
>>>>>>>>> the trunk and
>>>>>>>>> neoprene gasket. The question then is was there any leakage
>> between
>>>>>>>>> the fiberglass
>>>>>>>>> gasket and the cb trunk lip? If no then I would leave it in place
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> just use a
>>>>>>>>> jib saw to cut on opening in it to match the opening in the cb
>>>>>> trunk -
>>>>>>>>> it should
>>>>>>>>> cut easily since it is probably not very thick If on the other
>> hand
>>>>>>>>> there was
>>>>>>>>> leakage between this element and the cb trunk cap I would do
>>>>>> whatever
>>>>>>>>> is necessary
>>>>>>>>> to pull it off and throw it away and sand smooth the top of the
>>>>>> trunk
>>>>>>>>> lip to
>>>>>>>>> receive the neoprene gasket."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As I noted above, it wasn't leaking so my recollection is we
>> decided
>>>>>>>>> not to mess with it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sorry this isn't more help.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mary Lou
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2020 6:12 PM, Olivier Hecht wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> My last message with two pics bounced back...hopefully this goes
>>>>>>>>>> through...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Whoops...sorry. Forgot to attach it! Here they are. That white
>>>>>> piece is
>>>>>>>>>> glued to the boat...I’m sure of it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 6:02 PM Richard Beytagh <
>>>>>> rbeytagh at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The pic didn’t come through?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 5:58 PM Olivier Hecht <
>> oehecht at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well the board fell onto the trailer axle since I guess I
>> pulled
>>>>>>>>>>>> the boat
>>>>>>>>>>>> too far forward. Took a chunk out of it so I decided to try to
>>>>>> pull
>>>>>>>>>>>> it. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> just got the cap off after removing ~60 10mm bolts with blind
>>>>>> nuts and
>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>> I can’t access the pivot to remove the board. See pics...the
>>>>>> white
>>>>>>>>>>>> piece
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> laminate? seems to be glasses into the hull. I’m afraid to
>>>>>> destroy
>>>>>>>>>>>> it by
>>>>>>>>>>>> prying. Can anyone confirm to me that this piece should be
>>>>>>>>>>>> removable? I
>>>>>>>>>>>> cants see any other way to lift the board out since the pivot
>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>> inaccessible. I’ll be at the boat for an hour more max, then I
>>>>>> have to
>>>>>>>>>>> head
>>>>>>>>>>>> home. Was really hoping to take the board with me!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Richard Beytagh
>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: 828 337 0180
>>>>>>>>>>>
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