[Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4188, Issue 1
Richard MacArthur
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You can fix that yourself by filling the hole with micro balloons and epoxy and sanding smooth. Then lay a couple of layers of fine web fiberglass over it, make sure the glass is fully saturated, let it harden then sand to a fine finish. Then just apply bottom paint
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1. Oldest Rhodes 22 (peter klappert)
2. Re: Oldest Rhodes 22 (Weiss, Robert L)
3. Launch... and the story of an epic failure (Alexis Seigneurin)
4. Re: Launch... and the story of an epic failure (Chris Geankoplis)
5. Re: Used old style main sail for IMF (cjlowe at sssnet.com)
6. Re: Launch... and the story of an epic failure (JeffSmith)
7. Re: Pop top enclosure (robert51)
8. Re: Launch... and the story of an epic failure (Hank)
9. Re: Launch... and the story of an epic failure (Mark Whipple)
10. Re: Launch... and the story of an epic failure (Peter Nyberg)
11. Re: Launch... and the story of an epic failure (Hank)
12. Re: Launch... and the story of an epic failure (Alexis Seigneurin)
13. Re: Launch... and the story of an epic failure
(Roger Pihlaja Home)
14. Re: Launch... and the story of an epic failure (Alexis Seigneurin)
15. Re: Launch... and the story of an epic failure (cjlowe at sssnet.com)
16. Re: Launch... and the story of an epic failure (Alexis Seigneurin)
17. Re: Launch... and the story of an epic failure (Lowe, Rob)
18. Re: Launch... and the story of an epic failure (ROGER PIHLAJA)
19. Re: Launch... and the story of an epic failure (Lowe, Rob)
20. Re: Launch... and the story of an epic failure (ROGER PIHLAJA)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 18:52:15 -0400
From: peter klappert <koatimundi100 at gmail.com>
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Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oldest Rhodes 22
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It was the Nina, the Pinta or the Santa Maria, though some people say
William the Conqueror used a Picnic (R22 fore-runner) to invade England.
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 22:54:21 +0000
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And I'm sure Stan was piloting the boat.
Robert L Weiss Jr.
Director of Music
First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
Professor Emeritus, SIUC
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It was the Nina, the Pinta or the Santa Maria, though some people say
William the Conqueror used a Picnic (R22 fore-runner) to invade England.
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 02:34:51 +0000
From: Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com>
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Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
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Hi there,
If you remember my previous email, I was looking at doing something to the brake line of my trailer so as to be able to extend the tongue. Since I couldn?t find a trailer shop that wasn?t backed up, I decided to head to the boat ramp - in Yorktown, VA - open the brake line, cap it, and get it fixed up after the launch.
So today, I went to the ramp. This is very nice ramp, and my father in law and I thought that, maybe, we could manage to launch the boat without extending the trailer?s tongue, and also without breaking open the brake line. We gave it a try: the boat was almost afloat but would not come lose off the trailer. Stuck on the bunks. I tried to give the boat a good push but with no success.
We decided to pull the boat back on the ground and extend the tongue. At that point, the boat was not resting completely forward on the trailer, but probably 2 feet back from the front. When we released the hitch, the trailer swung back, resting on the trailer?s rear end. Ouch...
We extended the tongue, hooked it back up to the car, and launched the boat. My stress level was high, but the bilge was dry, so I was thinking the boat had not any damage... I motored to the marina where I was going to keep the boat, and I tied the boat to the dock.
My father in law drove my car (and now empty trailer) to the marina, and I realized one of the bunks was broken. The metal support was sticking out. I started thinking the hull might be scratched, but not really more.
Before leaving the boat at its new slip, I checked the bilge one more time, only to find it full of water. No good. The decision to haul out came immediately. I motored back to the ramp and we pulled the boat out, this time pretty smoothly.
Well, I now have a hole in the hull. And not a pretty one. The metal piece punctured the hull (attaching a pic), so hauling out was the right decision, or the boat would probably have sunk or suffered from bad water damage.
I left the boatyard, and I am hoping they can do a repair in the coming weeks. I?m a bit scared of the cost. I am anticipating something around $2000. What are you thoughts?
In any case, this is totally my fault, and I learned things the hard way. Hopefully this story will help other people avoid making the same mistakes I made.
Alexis
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 22:01:30 -0500
From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic
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So sorry to hear about your launch. 2k sounds like way too much. Might be
an educational DIY opportunity for you.
Chris Geankoplis
ENOSIS
On Sat, 9 May 2020 at 21:35, Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> If you remember my previous email, I was looking at doing something to the
> brake line of my trailer so as to be able to extend the tongue. Since I
> couldn?t find a trailer shop that wasn?t backed up, I decided to head to
> the boat ramp - in Yorktown, VA - open the brake line, cap it, and get it
> fixed up after the launch.
>
> So today, I went to the ramp. This is very nice ramp, and my father in law
> and I thought that, maybe, we could manage to launch the boat without
> extending the trailer?s tongue, and also without breaking open the brake
> line. We gave it a try: the boat was almost afloat but would not come lose
> off the trailer. Stuck on the bunks. I tried to give the boat a good push
> but with no success.
>
> We decided to pull the boat back on the ground and extend the tongue. At
> that point, the boat was not resting completely forward on the trailer, but
> probably 2 feet back from the front. When we released the hitch, the
> trailer swung back, resting on the trailer?s rear end. Ouch...
>
> We extended the tongue, hooked it back up to the car, and launched the
> boat. My stress level was high, but the bilge was dry, so I was thinking
> the boat had not any damage... I motored to the marina where I was going to
> keep the boat, and I tied the boat to the dock.
>
> My father in law drove my car (and now empty trailer) to the marina, and I
> realized one of the bunks was broken. The metal support was sticking out. I
> started thinking the hull might be scratched, but not really more.
>
> Before leaving the boat at its new slip, I checked the bilge one more
> time, only to find it full of water. No good. The decision to haul out came
> immediately. I motored back to the ramp and we pulled the boat out, this
> time pretty smoothly.
>
> Well, I now have a hole in the hull. And not a pretty one. The metal piece
> punctured the hull (attaching a pic), so hauling out was the right
> decision, or the boat would probably have sunk or suffered from bad water
> damage.
>
> I left the boatyard, and I am hoping they can do a repair in the coming
> weeks. I?m a bit scared of the cost. I am anticipating something around
> $2000. What are you thoughts?
>
> In any case, this is totally my fault, and I learned things the hard way.
> Hopefully this story will help other people avoid making the same mistakes
> I made.
>
> Alexis
>
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 23:16:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: cjlowe at sssnet.com
To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Used old style main sail for IMF
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It got snatched up real quick last year. It wouldn't hurt to put the word
out your looking for one.
Jerry Lowe
I know this has been over a year ago, ( i have been out of the loop for
> about
> 4-5 years, building orphanage in Philippines) but is the sail still
> available? Thought it might not hurt to ask.
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 02:39:55 -0700 (MST)
From: JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic
failure
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Fiberglass work is fairly easy, if you have the time and access to the boat.
Check out some YouTube videos and figure out whether you have the skills and
patience. You probably do.
-----
Jeff Smith
2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
Atlantic Highlands, NJ
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 06:02:20 -0700 (MST)
From: robert51 <robert at pamayared.com>
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosure
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Hey Stephen
Hate to be a pain, but whats happening with the pop top enclosure. I'm sure
I can find someone down here to clean it
Robert
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 09:14:22 -0400
From: Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic
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This is definitely true. I had some fiberglass issues on another boat that
I used to own and was gonna have the yard do it.Instead one of the other
guys in the marina showed me that it wasn't that hard to do and I did it
myself. Very satisfying and glad I was a able to learn these skills. If
you are at all handy you can probly do this yourself as well.
On Sun, May 10, 2020, 05:39 JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> Fiberglass work is fairly easy, if you have the time and access to the
> boat.
> Check out some YouTube videos and figure out whether you have the skills
> and
> patience. You probably do.
>
>
>
> -----
> Jeff Smith
> 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
> Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
> Atlantic Highlands, NJ
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 09:59:52 -0400
From: Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic
failure
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I agree that fiberglass work is not difficult, but I would also suggest
that repairing a hole below the waterline may not be the best first-time
project. It would be great, though, if you could find someone to give you a
hand like Hank was able to that would be idea. FWIW I would recommend Allan
H. Vaites Fiberglass Repair Manual
<https://smile.amazon.com/dp/0071569146?tag=amz-mkt-chr-us-20&ascsubtag=1ba00-01000-org00-mac00-other-smile-us000-pcomp-feature-scomp-wm-5&ref=aa_scomp>
.
Mark Whipple
On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 9:14 AM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
> This is definitely true. I had some fiberglass issues on another boat that
> I used to own and was gonna have the yard do it.Instead one of the other
> guys in the marina showed me that it wasn't that hard to do and I did it
> myself. Very satisfying and glad I was a able to learn these skills. If
> you are at all handy you can probly do this yourself as well.
>
> On Sun, May 10, 2020, 05:39 JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Fiberglass work is fairly easy, if you have the time and access to the
> > boat.
> > Check out some YouTube videos and figure out whether you have the skills
> > and
> > patience. You probably do.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----
> > Jeff Smith
> > 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
> > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
> > Atlantic Highlands, NJ
> >
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >
>
--
2000 R22 *Tiny Dancer*
1986 Nimble 30 (For Sale)
1982 Com-Pac 15 (For Sale)
Boston, MA
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 10:08:24 -0400
From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic
failure
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The West System (a brand of epoxy resins, hardeners, and associated supplies) website has a wealth of instructional material available at no charge. This manual might be particularly relevant: https://www.westsystem.com/wp-content/uploads/Fiberglass-Manual-2015.pdf <https://www.westsystem.com/wp-content/uploads/Fiberglass-Manual-2015.pdf>
Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> On May 10, 2020, at 9:59 AM, Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com> wrote:
>
> I agree that fiberglass work is not difficult, but I would also suggest
> that repairing a hole below the waterline may not be the best first-time
> project. It would be great, though, if you could find someone to give you a
> hand like Hank was able to that would be idea. FWIW I would recommend Allan
> H. Vaites Fiberglass Repair Manual
> <https://smile.amazon.com/dp/0071569146?tag=amz-mkt-chr-us-20&ascsubtag=1ba00-01000-org00-mac00-other-smile-us000-pcomp-feature-scomp-wm-5&ref=aa_scomp>
> .
>
> Mark Whipple
>
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 12:29:08 -0400
From: Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic
failure
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I also didn't have the benefit of all of the youtube videos now available
to show folks how to do things when I did my first fiberglass repair. Much
easier to be a DIYer these days.
On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 10:00 AM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
wrote:
> I agree that fiberglass work is not difficult, but I would also suggest
> that repairing a hole below the waterline may not be the best first-time
> project. It would be great, though, if you could find someone to give you a
> hand like Hank was able to that would be idea. FWIW I would recommend Allan
> H. Vaites Fiberglass Repair Manual
> <
> https://smile.amazon.com/dp/0071569146?tag=amz-mkt-chr-us-20&ascsubtag=1ba00-01000-org00-mac00-other-smile-us000-pcomp-feature-scomp-wm-5&ref=aa_scomp
> >
> .
>
> Mark Whipple
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 9:14 AM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This is definitely true. I had some fiberglass issues on another boat
> that
> > I used to own and was gonna have the yard do it.Instead one of the other
> > guys in the marina showed me that it wasn't that hard to do and I did it
> > myself. Very satisfying and glad I was a able to learn these skills. If
> > you are at all handy you can probly do this yourself as well.
> >
> > On Sun, May 10, 2020, 05:39 JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Fiberglass work is fairly easy, if you have the time and access to the
> > > boat.
> > > Check out some YouTube videos and figure out whether you have the
> skills
> > > and
> > > patience. You probably do.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----
> > > Jeff Smith
> > > 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
> > > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
> > > Atlantic Highlands, NJ
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> 2000 R22 *Tiny Dancer*
> 1986 Nimble 30 (For Sale)
> 1982 Com-Pac 15 (For Sale)
> Boston, MA
>
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 16:37:23 +0000
From: Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic
failure
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I am quite impressed most of you are recommending for me to do the repair myself! I have watched countless hours of Boatworks Today and Sail Life videos, so I kind of know the steps for this repair, but I wasn?t feeling like it was a good first project for a fiberglass repair. It?s structural and under the water line, so definitely needs to be done right. I will think about it and we?ll see what I decide!
Thanks all,
Alexis
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From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:29:08 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
I also didn't have the benefit of all of the youtube videos now available
to show folks how to do things when I did my first fiberglass repair. Much
easier to be a DIYer these days.
On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 10:00 AM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
wrote:
> I agree that fiberglass work is not difficult, but I would also suggest
> that repairing a hole below the waterline may not be the best first-time
> project. It would be great, though, if you could find someone to give you a
> hand like Hank was able to that would be idea. FWIW I would recommend Allan
> H. Vaites Fiberglass Repair Manual
> <
> https://smile.amazon.com/dp/0071569146?tag=amz-mkt-chr-us-20&ascsubtag=1ba00-01000-org00-mac00-other-smile-us000-pcomp-feature-scomp-wm-5&ref=aa_scomp
> >
> .
>
> Mark Whipple
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 9:14 AM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This is definitely true. I had some fiberglass issues on another boat
> that
> > I used to own and was gonna have the yard do it.Instead one of the other
> > guys in the marina showed me that it wasn't that hard to do and I did it
> > myself. Very satisfying and glad I was a able to learn these skills. If
> > you are at all handy you can probly do this yourself as well.
> >
> > On Sun, May 10, 2020, 05:39 JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Fiberglass work is fairly easy, if you have the time and access to the
> > > boat.
> > > Check out some YouTube videos and figure out whether you have the
> skills
> > > and
> > > patience. You probably do.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----
> > > Jeff Smith
> > > 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
> > > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
> > > Atlantic Highlands, NJ
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> 2000 R22 *Tiny Dancer*
> 1986 Nimble 30 (For Sale)
> 1982 Com-Pac 15 (For Sale)
> Boston, MA
>
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 12:38:34 -0400
From: Roger Pihlaja Home <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic
failure
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Alexis,
So, your hypothesis re the reason the boat was ?stuck? on the first try was the trailer bunk support had already punctured the hull and was preventing it from sliding on the bunks? If so; then, this is also probably what prevented the boat from sliding off the back of the trailer when the trailer squatted down when you first tried to deploy the tongue extension. If this had happened, the transom would have smacked the launch ramp hard with all the rudder, outboard, motor mount, and hull damage that implies! Thank your lucky stars. It sounds like you got away cheap with just a small puncture thru the hull. Oh well, it sounds like multiple lessons were learned that day.
What?s the condition of the rest of your trailer?s bunk supports?
Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
Sent from my iPad
> On May 9, 2020, at 10:34 PM, Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> If you remember my previous email, I was looking at doing something to the brake line of my trailer so as to be able to extend the tongue. Since I couldn?t find a trailer shop that wasn?t backed up, I decided to head to the boat ramp - in Yorktown, VA - open the brake line, cap it, and get it fixed up after the launch.
>
> So today, I went to the ramp. This is very nice ramp, and my father in law and I thought that, maybe, we could manage to launch the boat without extending the trailer?s tongue, and also without breaking open the brake line. We gave it a try: the boat was almost afloat but would not come lose off the trailer. Stuck on the bunks. I tried to give the boat a good push but with no success.
>
> We decided to pull the boat back on the ground and extend the tongue. At that point, the boat was not resting completely forward on the trailer, but probably 2 feet back from the front. When we released the hitch, the trailer swung back, resting on the trailer?s rear end. Ouch...
>
> We extended the tongue, hooked it back up to the car, and launched the boat. My stress level was high, but the bilge was dry, so I was thinking the boat had not any damage... I motored to the marina where I was going to keep the boat, and I tied the boat to the dock.
>
> My father in law drove my car (and now empty trailer) to the marina, and I realized one of the bunks was broken. The metal support was sticking out. I started thinking the hull might be scratched, but not really more.
>
> Before leaving the boat at its new slip, I checked the bilge one more time, only to find it full of water. No good. The decision to haul out came immediately. I motored back to the ramp and we pulled the boat out, this time pretty smoothly.
>
> Well, I now have a hole in the hull. And not a pretty one. The metal piece punctured the hull (attaching a pic), so hauling out was the right decision, or the boat would probably have sunk or suffered from bad water damage.
>
> I left the boatyard, and I am hoping they can do a repair in the coming weeks. I?m a bit scared of the cost. I am anticipating something around $2000. What are you thoughts?
>
> In any case, this is totally my fault, and I learned things the hard way. Hopefully this story will help other people avoid making the same mistakes I made.
>
> Alexis
>
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 00:31:48 +0000
From: Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic
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Roger,
You?re right, I am very lucky the transom didn?t hit the ground!
I cannot tell for sure that the hull had been punctured during the first launch, but that is a possibility. That would explain why the boat was stuck at that time, for sure.
Regarding your question about the condition of the rest of the bunks, I would say the wood was looking like it would soon need to be replaced, but nothing alarming. I am going to replace all the bunks now, and also update the brake line as well as the electrical wires.
Yes, quite a few lessons learned, and quite a lot of work ahead of me!
Alexis
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Roger Pihlaja Home <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:38:34 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
Alexis,
So, your hypothesis re the reason the boat was ?stuck? on the first try was the trailer bunk support had already punctured the hull and was preventing it from sliding on the bunks? If so; then, this is also probably what prevented the boat from sliding off the back of the trailer when the trailer squatted down when you first tried to deploy the tongue extension. If this had happened, the transom would have smacked the launch ramp hard with all the rudder, outboard, motor mount, and hull damage that implies! Thank your lucky stars. It sounds like you got away cheap with just a small puncture thru the hull. Oh well, it sounds like multiple lessons were learned that day.
What?s the condition of the rest of your trailer?s bunk supports?
Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
Sent from my iPad
> On May 9, 2020, at 10:34 PM, Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> If you remember my previous email, I was looking at doing something to the brake line of my trailer so as to be able to extend the tongue. Since I couldn?t find a trailer shop that wasn?t backed up, I decided to head to the boat ramp - in Yorktown, VA - open the brake line, cap it, and get it fixed up after the launch.
>
> So today, I went to the ramp. This is very nice ramp, and my father in law and I thought that, maybe, we could manage to launch the boat without extending the trailer?s tongue, and also without breaking open the brake line. We gave it a try: the boat was almost afloat but would not come lose off the trailer. Stuck on the bunks. I tried to give the boat a good push but with no success.
>
> We decided to pull the boat back on the ground and extend the tongue. At that point, the boat was not resting completely forward on the trailer, but probably 2 feet back from the front. When we released the hitch, the trailer swung back, resting on the trailer?s rear end. Ouch...
>
> We extended the tongue, hooked it back up to the car, and launched the boat. My stress level was high, but the bilge was dry, so I was thinking the boat had not any damage... I motored to the marina where I was going to keep the boat, and I tied the boat to the dock.
>
> My father in law drove my car (and now empty trailer) to the marina, and I realized one of the bunks was broken. The metal support was sticking out. I started thinking the hull might be scratched, but not really more.
>
> Before leaving the boat at its new slip, I checked the bilge one more time, only to find it full of water. No good. The decision to haul out came immediately. I motored back to the ramp and we pulled the boat out, this time pretty smoothly.
>
> Well, I now have a hole in the hull. And not a pretty one. The metal piece punctured the hull (attaching a pic), so hauling out was the right decision, or the boat would probably have sunk or suffered from bad water damage.
>
> I left the boatyard, and I am hoping they can do a repair in the coming weeks. I?m a bit scared of the cost. I am anticipating something around $2000. What are you thoughts?
>
> In any case, this is totally my fault, and I learned things the hard way. Hopefully this story will help other people avoid making the same mistakes I made.
>
> Alexis
>
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 20:34:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: cjlowe at sssnet.com
To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic
failure
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One question I have, was the center board cleated in the up position
before launch? Usually, if the boat moves two feet, the boat will float
the rest of the way with just a little push, unless the center board is
not cleated and drops down and contacts the bottom thus stopping all
further travel. What I am saying is, you might have compromised the center
board cap if you didn't have the board cleated in the up position. You
might be able to inspect the cap through the bilge inspection hole.
Jerry Lowe
Hi there,
>
> If you remember my previous email, I was looking at doing something to the
> brake line of my trailer so as to be able to extend the tongue. Since I
> couldn?t find a trailer shop that wasn?t backed up, I decided to head to
> the boat ramp - in Yorktown, VA - open the brake line, cap it, and get it
> fixed up after the launch.
>
> So today, I went to the ramp. This is very nice ramp, and my father in law
> and I thought that, maybe, we could manage to launch the boat without
> extending the trailer?s tongue, and also without breaking open the brake
> line. We gave it a try: the boat was almost afloat but would not come lose
> off the trailer. Stuck on the bunks. I tried to give the boat a good push
> but with no success.
>
> We decided to pull the boat back on the ground and extend the tongue. At
> that point, the boat was not resting completely forward on the trailer,
> but probably 2 feet back from the front. When we released the hitch, the
> trailer swung back, resting on the trailer?s rear end. Ouch...
>
> We extended the tongue, hooked it back up to the car, and launched the
> boat. My stress level was high, but the bilge was dry, so I was thinking
> the boat had not any damage... I motored to the marina where I was going
> to keep the boat, and I tied the boat to the dock.
>
> My father in law drove my car (and now empty trailer) to the marina, and I
> realized one of the bunks was broken. The metal support was sticking out.
> I started thinking the hull might be scratched, but not really more.
>
> Before leaving the boat at its new slip, I checked the bilge one more
> time, only to find it full of water. No good. The decision to haul out
> came immediately. I motored back to the ramp and we pulled the boat out,
> this time pretty smoothly.
>
> Well, I now have a hole in the hull. And not a pretty one. The metal piece
> punctured the hull (attaching a pic), so hauling out was the right
> decision, or the boat would probably have sunk or suffered from bad water
> damage.
>
> I left the boatyard, and I am hoping they can do a repair in the coming
> weeks. I?m a bit scared of the cost. I am anticipating something around
> $2000. What are you thoughts?
>
> In any case, this is totally my fault, and I learned things the hard way.
> Hopefully this story will help other people avoid making the same mistakes
> I made.
>
> Alexis
>
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 01:38:12 +0000
From: Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic
failure
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Jerry,
That?s a good point, but the centerboard was cleated in fully up position. The stern of the boat was slightly floating but the bow was stuck. Not sure if, at that point, the metal bracket holding the bunk was exposed and rubbing against the hull.
Alexis
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From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of cjlowe at sssnet.com <cjlowe at sssnet.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:34:05 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
One question I have, was the center board cleated in the up position
before launch? Usually, if the boat moves two feet, the boat will float
the rest of the way with just a little push, unless the center board is
not cleated and drops down and contacts the bottom thus stopping all
further travel. What I am saying is, you might have compromised the center
board cap if you didn't have the board cleated in the up position. You
might be able to inspect the cap through the bilge inspection hole.
Jerry Lowe
Hi there,
>
> If you remember my previous email, I was looking at doing something to the
> brake line of my trailer so as to be able to extend the tongue. Since I
> couldn?t find a trailer shop that wasn?t backed up, I decided to head to
> the boat ramp - in Yorktown, VA - open the brake line, cap it, and get it
> fixed up after the launch.
>
> So today, I went to the ramp. This is very nice ramp, and my father in law
> and I thought that, maybe, we could manage to launch the boat without
> extending the trailer?s tongue, and also without breaking open the brake
> line. We gave it a try: the boat was almost afloat but would not come lose
> off the trailer. Stuck on the bunks. I tried to give the boat a good push
> but with no success.
>
> We decided to pull the boat back on the ground and extend the tongue. At
> that point, the boat was not resting completely forward on the trailer,
> but probably 2 feet back from the front. When we released the hitch, the
> trailer swung back, resting on the trailer?s rear end. Ouch...
>
> We extended the tongue, hooked it back up to the car, and launched the
> boat. My stress level was high, but the bilge was dry, so I was thinking
> the boat had not any damage... I motored to the marina where I was going
> to keep the boat, and I tied the boat to the dock.
>
> My father in law drove my car (and now empty trailer) to the marina, and I
> realized one of the bunks was broken. The metal support was sticking out.
> I started thinking the hull might be scratched, but not really more.
>
> Before leaving the boat at its new slip, I checked the bilge one more
> time, only to find it full of water. No good. The decision to haul out
> came immediately. I motored back to the ramp and we pulled the boat out,
> this time pretty smoothly.
>
> Well, I now have a hole in the hull. And not a pretty one. The metal piece
> punctured the hull (attaching a pic), so hauling out was the right
> decision, or the boat would probably have sunk or suffered from bad water
> damage.
>
> I left the boatyard, and I am hoping they can do a repair in the coming
> weeks. I?m a bit scared of the cost. I am anticipating something around
> $2000. What are you thoughts?
>
> In any case, this is totally my fault, and I learned things the hard way.
> Hopefully this story will help other people avoid making the same mistakes
> I made.
>
> Alexis
>
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 13:28:37 +0000
From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic
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Alexis,
I've not needed to do any fiberglass work, but from what I've heard and read, it's something a DIYer can do. That being said, for peace of mind, I'd likely get a shop to repair mine if in the same circumstances. What you will also have to do is address your trailer. I'm assuming the boat is still on the trailer? If you get get the boat off the trailer and onto some stands you can check on the trailer. Are the bunks still intact or do they need replacing? How about the metal brackets that hold the bunks and guide bars? Mine were so rusted I had to have them replaced. Sounds like good time to address your brake line issue too. I'd replace the entire flexible line while you are at it.
All in all you did the right thing in checking for water intrusion and hauling out when you found it. This story could of had a worse ending. - rob
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From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:37 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
I am quite impressed most of you are recommending for me to do the repair myself! I have watched countless hours of Boatworks Today and Sail Life videos, so I kind of know the steps for this repair, but I wasn?t feeling like it was a good first project for a fiberglass repair. It?s structural and under the water line, so definitely needs to be done right. I will think about it and we?ll see what I decide!
Thanks all,
Alexis
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:29:08 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
I also didn't have the benefit of all of the youtube videos now available
to show folks how to do things when I did my first fiberglass repair. Much
easier to be a DIYer these days.
On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 10:00 AM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
wrote:
> I agree that fiberglass work is not difficult, but I would also suggest
> that repairing a hole below the waterline may not be the best first-time
> project. It would be great, though, if you could find someone to give you a
> hand like Hank was able to that would be idea. FWIW I would recommend Allan
> H. Vaites Fiberglass Repair Manual
> <
> https://smile.amazon.com/dp/0071569146?tag=amz-mkt-chr-us-20&ascsubtag=1ba00-01000-org00-mac00-other-smile-us000-pcomp-feature-scomp-wm-5&ref=aa_scomp
> >
> .
>
> Mark Whipple
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 9:14 AM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This is definitely true. I had some fiberglass issues on another boat
> that
> > I used to own and was gonna have the yard do it.Instead one of the other
> > guys in the marina showed me that it wasn't that hard to do and I did it
> > myself. Very satisfying and glad I was a able to learn these skills. If
> > you are at all handy you can probly do this yourself as well.
> >
> > On Sun, May 10, 2020, 05:39 JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Fiberglass work is fairly easy, if you have the time and access to the
> > > boat.
> > > Check out some YouTube videos and figure out whether you have the
> skills
> > > and
> > > patience. You probably do.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----
> > > Jeff Smith
> > > 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
> > > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
> > > Atlantic Highlands, NJ
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> 2000 R22 *Tiny Dancer*
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> 1982 Com-Pac 15 (For Sale)
> Boston, MA
>
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 13:46:00 +0000
From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic
failure
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Alexis,
What part of your bunks/support structure failed? Did the metal bunk support poke right thru a rotten wooden bunk? Or, did the metal bunk support structure fail somehow and leave a jagged shard to poke a hole thru your hull? Anyway, your bunks and supports are all the same age. So, it?s probably cheap insurance to go thru the whole system.
On a related note, are your bunks properly adjusted to uniformly cradle your hull? If the bunks were configured to place too much weight on one bunk support; then, the failure mechanism would change from old age/wood rot/metal fatigue/rust to an overload scenario. On my Lil Dude boat trailer, most of the weight of the boat sits on a couple of HD rollers that support the keel. These keel rollers are bolted directly to the trailer. The bunks on my trailer function more like ?outriggers? to keep the boat from tipping over in a heavy crosswind or on a curve in the road. They are not heavily loaded. Does your trailer have keel rollers? Are the keel rollers properly adjusted to take most of the boat?s weight? If not, then the bunks are being overloaded and this might have something to do with the failure. If your trailer does not have keel rollers; then, you might consider implementing them. Properly adjusted keel rollers will dramatically reduce the load on your bunks,
load the boat from the keel vs. the hull when it?s on the trailer, and should make launch/retrieval much easier. The attached photo shows the bunks & keel rollers on S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s trailer. The photo also shows what properly adjusted bunks look like. For retrieval, I usually submerge the trailer until only ~6-12? of the front of the bunks are exposed above the water. For launching, I try to back the trailer in about the same amount. But, if I can get the bunks submerged to about the 2nd bunk support from the stern, I can usually push the boat off the trailer because most of the weight is on the keel rollers, not the bunks.
Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
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Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:31 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
Roger,
You?re right, I am very lucky the transom didn?t hit the ground!
I cannot tell for sure that the hull had been punctured during the first launch, but that is a possibility. That would explain why the boat was stuck at that time, for sure.
Regarding your question about the condition of the rest of the bunks, I would say the wood was looking like it would soon need to be replaced, but nothing alarming. I am going to replace all the bunks now, and also update the brake line as well as the electrical wires.
Yes, quite a few lessons learned, and quite a lot of work ahead of me!
Alexis
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Roger Pihlaja Home <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:38:34 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
Alexis,
So, your hypothesis re the reason the boat was ?stuck? on the first try was the trailer bunk support had already punctured the hull and was preventing it from sliding on the bunks? If so; then, this is also probably what prevented the boat from sliding off the back of the trailer when the trailer squatted down when you first tried to deploy the tongue extension. If this had happened, the transom would have smacked the launch ramp hard with all the rudder, outboard, motor mount, and hull damage that implies! Thank your lucky stars. It sounds like you got away cheap with just a small puncture thru the hull. Oh well, it sounds like multiple lessons were learned that day.
What?s the condition of the rest of your trailer?s bunk supports?
Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
Sent from my iPad
> On May 9, 2020, at 10:34 PM, Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> If you remember my previous email, I was looking at doing something to the brake line of my trailer so as to be able to extend the tongue. Since I couldn?t find a trailer shop that wasn?t backed up, I decided to head to the boat ramp - in Yorktown, VA - open the brake line, cap it, and get it fixed up after the launch.
>
> So today, I went to the ramp. This is very nice ramp, and my father in law and I thought that, maybe, we could manage to launch the boat without extending the trailer?s tongue, and also without breaking open the brake line. We gave it a try: the boat was almost afloat but would not come lose off the trailer. Stuck on the bunks. I tried to give the boat a good push but with no success.
>
> We decided to pull the boat back on the ground and extend the tongue. At that point, the boat was not resting completely forward on the trailer, but probably 2 feet back from the front. When we released the hitch, the trailer swung back, resting on the trailer?s rear end. Ouch...
>
> We extended the tongue, hooked it back up to the car, and launched the boat. My stress level was high, but the bilge was dry, so I was thinking the boat had not any damage... I motored to the marina where I was going to keep the boat, and I tied the boat to the dock.
>
> My father in law drove my car (and now empty trailer) to the marina, and I realized one of the bunks was broken. The metal support was sticking out. I started thinking the hull might be scratched, but not really more.
>
> Before leaving the boat at its new slip, I checked the bilge one more time, only to find it full of water. No good. The decision to haul out came immediately. I motored back to the ramp and we pulled the boat out, this time pretty smoothly.
>
> Well, I now have a hole in the hull. And not a pretty one. The metal piece punctured the hull (attaching a pic), so hauling out was the right decision, or the boat would probably have sunk or suffered from bad water damage.
>
> I left the boatyard, and I am hoping they can do a repair in the coming weeks. I?m a bit scared of the cost. I am anticipating something around $2000. What are you thoughts?
>
> In any case, this is totally my fault, and I learned things the hard way. Hopefully this story will help other people avoid making the same mistakes I made.
>
> Alexis
>
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 14:01:40 +0000
From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic
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Roger,
Do you have the Triad trailer? It doesn't appear so. I'm not sure my current Triad trailer has any rollers. How about other Triad owners? - rob
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Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 9:46 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
Alexis,
What part of your bunks/support structure failed? Did the metal bunk support poke right thru a rotten wooden bunk? Or, did the metal bunk support structure fail somehow and leave a jagged shard to poke a hole thru your hull? Anyway, your bunks and supports are all the same age. So, it?s probably cheap insurance to go thru the whole system.
On a related note, are your bunks properly adjusted to uniformly cradle your hull? If the bunks were configured to place too much weight on one bunk support; then, the failure mechanism would change from old age/wood rot/metal fatigue/rust to an overload scenario. On my Lil Dude boat trailer, most of the weight of the boat sits on a couple of HD rollers that support the keel. These keel rollers are bolted directly to the trailer. The bunks on my trailer function more like ?outriggers? to keep the boat from tipping over in a heavy crosswind or on a curve in the road. They are not heavily loaded. Does your trailer have keel rollers? Are the keel rollers properly adjusted to take most of the boat?s weight? If not, then the bunks are being overloaded and this might have something to do with the failure. If your trailer does not have keel rollers; then, you might consider implementing them. Properly adjusted keel rollers will dramatically reduce the load on your bunks,
load the boat from the keel vs. the hull when it?s on the trailer, and should make launch/retrieval much easier. The attached photo shows the bunks & keel rollers on S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s trailer. The photo also shows what properly adjusted bunks look like. For retrieval, I usually submerge the trailer until only ~6-12? of the front of the bunks are exposed above the water. For launching, I try to back the trailer in about the same amount. But, if I can get the bunks submerged to about the 2nd bunk support from the stern, I can usually push the boat off the trailer because most of the weight is on the keel rollers, not the bunks.
Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
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Roger,
You?re right, I am very lucky the transom didn?t hit the ground!
I cannot tell for sure that the hull had been punctured during the first launch, but that is a possibility. That would explain why the boat was stuck at that time, for sure.
Regarding your question about the condition of the rest of the bunks, I would say the wood was looking like it would soon need to be replaced, but nothing alarming. I am going to replace all the bunks now, and also update the brake line as well as the electrical wires.
Yes, quite a few lessons learned, and quite a lot of work ahead of me!
Alexis
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
Alexis,
So, your hypothesis re the reason the boat was ?stuck? on the first try was the trailer bunk support had already punctured the hull and was preventing it from sliding on the bunks? If so; then, this is also probably what prevented the boat from sliding off the back of the trailer when the trailer squatted down when you first tried to deploy the tongue extension. If this had happened, the transom would have smacked the launch ramp hard with all the rudder, outboard, motor mount, and hull damage that implies! Thank your lucky stars. It sounds like you got away cheap with just a small puncture thru the hull. Oh well, it sounds like multiple lessons were learned that day.
What?s the condition of the rest of your trailer?s bunk supports?
Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
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> On May 9, 2020, at 10:34 PM, Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> If you remember my previous email, I was looking at doing something to the brake line of my trailer so as to be able to extend the tongue. Since I couldn?t find a trailer shop that wasn?t backed up, I decided to head to the boat ramp - in Yorktown, VA - open the brake line, cap it, and get it fixed up after the launch.
>
> So today, I went to the ramp. This is very nice ramp, and my father in law and I thought that, maybe, we could manage to launch the boat without extending the trailer?s tongue, and also without breaking open the brake line. We gave it a try: the boat was almost afloat but would not come lose off the trailer. Stuck on the bunks. I tried to give the boat a good push but with no success.
>
> We decided to pull the boat back on the ground and extend the tongue. At that point, the boat was not resting completely forward on the trailer, but probably 2 feet back from the front. When we released the hitch, the trailer swung back, resting on the trailer?s rear end. Ouch...
>
> We extended the tongue, hooked it back up to the car, and launched the boat. My stress level was high, but the bilge was dry, so I was thinking the boat had not any damage... I motored to the marina where I was going to keep the boat, and I tied the boat to the dock.
>
> My father in law drove my car (and now empty trailer) to the marina, and I realized one of the bunks was broken. The metal support was sticking out. I started thinking the hull might be scratched, but not really more.
>
> Before leaving the boat at its new slip, I checked the bilge one more time, only to find it full of water. No good. The decision to haul out came immediately. I motored back to the ramp and we pulled the boat out, this time pretty smoothly.
>
> Well, I now have a hole in the hull. And not a pretty one. The metal piece punctured the hull (attaching a pic), so hauling out was the right decision, or the boat would probably have sunk or suffered from bad water damage.
>
> I left the boatyard, and I am hoping they can do a repair in the coming weeks. I?m a bit scared of the cost. I am anticipating something around $2000. What are you thoughts?
>
> In any case, this is totally my fault, and I learned things the hard way. Hopefully this story will help other people avoid making the same mistakes I made.
>
> Alexis
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Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 14:06:13 +0000
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic
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No, as I stated earlier, I have a Lil Dude tandem axle boat trailer. But, the physics of supporting, launching, and retrieving the boat don?t change with the trailer manufacturer. The keel is much better to support most of the weight of the boat vs. the bunks.
Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
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Roger,
Do you have the Triad trailer? It doesn't appear so. I'm not sure my current Triad trailer has any rollers. How about other Triad owners? - rob
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Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 9:46 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
Alexis,
What part of your bunks/support structure failed? Did the metal bunk support poke right thru a rotten wooden bunk? Or, did the metal bunk support structure fail somehow and leave a jagged shard to poke a hole thru your hull? Anyway, your bunks and supports are all the same age. So, it?s probably cheap insurance to go thru the whole system.
On a related note, are your bunks properly adjusted to uniformly cradle your hull? If the bunks were configured to place too much weight on one bunk support; then, the failure mechanism would change from old age/wood rot/metal fatigue/rust to an overload scenario. On my Lil Dude boat trailer, most of the weight of the boat sits on a couple of HD rollers that support the keel. These keel rollers are bolted directly to the trailer. The bunks on my trailer function more like ?outriggers? to keep the boat from tipping over in a heavy crosswind or on a curve in the road. They are not heavily loaded. Does your trailer have keel rollers? Are the keel rollers properly adjusted to take most of the boat?s weight? If not, then the bunks are being overloaded and this might have something to do with the failure. If your trailer does not have keel rollers; then, you might consider implementing them. Properly adjusted keel rollers will dramatically reduce the load on your bunks,
load the boat from the keel vs. the hull when it?s on the trailer, and should make launch/retrieval much easier. The attached photo shows the bunks & keel rollers on S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s trailer. The photo also shows what properly adjusted bunks look like. For retrieval, I usually submerge the trailer until only ~6-12? of the front of the bunks are exposed above the water. For launching, I try to back the trailer in about the same amount. But, if I can get the bunks submerged to about the 2nd bunk support from the stern, I can usually push the boat off the trailer because most of the weight is on the keel rollers, not the bunks.
Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
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Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:31 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
Roger,
You?re right, I am very lucky the transom didn?t hit the ground!
I cannot tell for sure that the hull had been punctured during the first launch, but that is a possibility. That would explain why the boat was stuck at that time, for sure.
Regarding your question about the condition of the rest of the bunks, I would say the wood was looking like it would soon need to be replaced, but nothing alarming. I am going to replace all the bunks now, and also update the brake line as well as the electrical wires.
Yes, quite a few lessons learned, and quite a lot of work ahead of me!
Alexis
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Roger Pihlaja Home <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:38:34 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
Alexis,
So, your hypothesis re the reason the boat was ?stuck? on the first try was the trailer bunk support had already punctured the hull and was preventing it from sliding on the bunks? If so; then, this is also probably what prevented the boat from sliding off the back of the trailer when the trailer squatted down when you first tried to deploy the tongue extension. If this had happened, the transom would have smacked the launch ramp hard with all the rudder, outboard, motor mount, and hull damage that implies! Thank your lucky stars. It sounds like you got away cheap with just a small puncture thru the hull. Oh well, it sounds like multiple lessons were learned that day.
What?s the condition of the rest of your trailer?s bunk supports?
Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
Sent from my iPad
> On May 9, 2020, at 10:34 PM, Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> If you remember my previous email, I was looking at doing something to the brake line of my trailer so as to be able to extend the tongue. Since I couldn?t find a trailer shop that wasn?t backed up, I decided to head to the boat ramp - in Yorktown, VA - open the brake line, cap it, and get it fixed up after the launch.
>
> So today, I went to the ramp. This is very nice ramp, and my father in law and I thought that, maybe, we could manage to launch the boat without extending the trailer?s tongue, and also without breaking open the brake line. We gave it a try: the boat was almost afloat but would not come lose off the trailer. Stuck on the bunks. I tried to give the boat a good push but with no success.
>
> We decided to pull the boat back on the ground and extend the tongue. At that point, the boat was not resting completely forward on the trailer, but probably 2 feet back from the front. When we released the hitch, the trailer swung back, resting on the trailer?s rear end. Ouch...
>
> We extended the tongue, hooked it back up to the car, and launched the boat. My stress level was high, but the bilge was dry, so I was thinking the boat had not any damage... I motored to the marina where I was going to keep the boat, and I tied the boat to the dock.
>
> My father in law drove my car (and now empty trailer) to the marina, and I realized one of the bunks was broken. The metal support was sticking out. I started thinking the hull might be scratched, but not really more.
>
> Before leaving the boat at its new slip, I checked the bilge one more time, only to find it full of water. No good. The decision to haul out came immediately. I motored back to the ramp and we pulled the boat out, this time pretty smoothly.
>
> Well, I now have a hole in the hull. And not a pretty one. The metal piece punctured the hull (attaching a pic), so hauling out was the right decision, or the boat would probably have sunk or suffered from bad water damage.
>
> I left the boatyard, and I am hoping they can do a repair in the coming weeks. I?m a bit scared of the cost. I am anticipating something around $2000. What are you thoughts?
>
> In any case, this is totally my fault, and I learned things the hard way. Hopefully this story will help other people avoid making the same mistakes I made.
>
> Alexis
>
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