[Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle

[David Talbot]

Congratulations on the victory over 5200
Takes patience but it works

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 6:36 PM, Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> I have that same 5way Jesse.
>
> Nice work, thanks for the update and pics.
> Look forward to seeing you in MKE next year?!
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020, 3:54 PM Jesse Shumaker <
> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Regardless of your disposition, there's one victory we can all celebrate
> > today: my struggle against the adhesive (presumably 5200) securing the
> > tabernacle has been overcome without any damage.  I applied plenty
> > of Marine Formula DeBond, waited patiently and then made iterative use
> of a
> > combination of knives, a wood wedge, and gentle taps with a rubber
> mallet.
> > I would scrape out adhesive around the edges, spray more DeBond, go do
> > something else for a few minutes (I've got several other boat projects
> > underway), tap the wedges/knives in a bit further and repeat the process.
> > After about 45 minutes, I heard a gentle pop as the adhesive released.
> > This was followed by another popping sound as I opened a frosty beverage
> to
> > celebrate.  I still have to remove the thin layer of remaining adhesive
> > residue but at least the tabernacle is free from the cabin top.  I really
> > appreciate all the helpful advice.  Thanks!
> >
> > Jesse Shumaker
> > S/V Zephyr
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 5:32 AM Jesse Shumaker <
> > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks for all the quick responses, links to articles and details of
> your
> > > experiences removing "the devil's glue."  It really helps to have the
> > > collective knowledge and research of the group!
> > >
> > > I ordered some Marine Formula DeBond and a razor blade scraper knife.
> I
> > > also made a wooden wedge and have a rubber mallet ready for some *very
> > *gentle
> > > taps after patiently waiting for the adhesive remover to go to work.
> The
> > > DeBond should get here on Friday so this will be a weekend project.
> > Until
> > > then, I have other boat projects underway to keep me busy when I'm not
> at
> > > work.
> > >
> > > I'll be sure to follow up this weekend and let you know the (hopefully
> > not
> > > gripping) conclusion.
> > >
> > > Jesse Shumaker
> > > S/V Zephyr
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 4:42 PM David Talbot <talbotdavid50 at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> OK I am adding to this as I JUST got through managing a 5200-attached
> > >> hatch
> > >> on forward deck
> > >> STRONGLY recommend you not use mallet  or cutting as this can damage
> the
> > >> deck.
> > >> DEBOND (can get via Amazon)works well and is safer
> > >> Spray a good layer of the debond under one side of the tabernacle and
> > wait
> > >> a few minutes, then lightly tap wooden wedges into the gap. patience
> > >> essential here. Spray more in and advance a little bit at a time. It
> > will
> > >> work, just do not force it or you will split the fiberglass. Will
> need a
> > >> sharp chisel to clean off the gel coat
> > >> Agree that Practical Sailor article very helpful as well
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 3:20 PM, Michael D. Weisner <
> > mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > I wonder how 3M 5200 compares to adult barnacle attachment secretion
> > >> which
> > >> > is nearly impossible to break.
> > >> >
> > >> > Maybe Debond would work on barnacles!
> > >> >
> > >> > Mike
> > >> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > >> > Nissequogue River, NY
> > >> >
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf
> Of
> > >> > Graham Stewart
> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 3:07 PM
> > >> > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle
> > >> >
> > >> > Mark: I wouldn't even use it for the hull-deck joint. In fact I had
> to
> > >> > break the seal to remove the foredeck on my boat. I may be the only
> > >> person
> > >> > to ever do that but still I don't think anything is permanent. 5200
> > and
> > >> > similar are incredible adhesives but if you are primarily interested
> > in
> > >> a
> > >> > sealant where high adhesive qualities are not the highest priority
> and
> > >> if
> > >> > there is any possibility that you might want to break the bond in
> the
> > >> > future, I would always seek an alternative. 3M 4200 is a very strong
> > >> > adhesive but is easier to remove.
> > >> >
> > >> > Graham Stewart
> > >> > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> > >> > Kingston Ontario
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> > >> Behalf
> > >> > Of Mark Whipple
> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 10:28 AM
> > >> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > >> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle
> > >> >
> > >> > I've read that if you take a strong, thin wire like piano wire you
> can
> > >> > slowly cut through the 5200 (AKA Devil's Glue). Don't know if
> heating
> > it
> > >> > would help. I've never needed to try this so if you do let us know
> how
> > >> it
> > >> > goes.
> > >> >
> > >> > About the only legit use I've heard of for 5200 is a hull-to-deck
> > joint.
> > >> > That's something that you hope you'll never have to disassemble.
> > >> >
> > >> > Good luck,
> > >> >
> > >> > Mark
> > >> >
> > >> > Boston, MA
> > >> >
> > >> > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
> > >> > 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale*
> > >> > 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale*
> > >> >
> > >> > On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 10:03 AM Graham Stewart <
> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Where something is adhering to fiberglass with 5200 I think a
> > >> > > sufficient whack to break the bond is likely to remove the gel
> coat
> > >> > > before the bond breaks. A whack might work for a metal to metal
> bond
> > >> > > but I would still be very careful especially for something like
> cast
> > >> > aluminum.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Graham Stewart
> > >> > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> > >> > > Kingston Ontario
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]
> On
> > >> > > Behalf Of Ric Stott
> > >> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 8:09 AM
> > >> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > >> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Careful wack with Rubber mallet!!
> > >> > > Ric
> > >> > > Dadventure
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > On Oct 26, 2020, at 11:43 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
> > >> > > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Hey Jesse,
> > >> > > > Sounds like PL5200. Strongest stuff in the world. Just about
> > >> > > > impossible
> > >> > > to
> > >> > > > remove. You might make a hack saw frame but with the blade at 90
> > >> > > > degrees
> > >> > > to
> > >> > > > a normal one. Slowly cut between the cabin roof and tabernacle.
> At
> > >> > > > some point you can apply a rotational motion and should get it
> > off.
> > >> > > > You will Have an ugly scarred area. Research to see if they have
> > >> > > > come up with a solvent for 5200. If so, use that rather than the
> > >> > > > butchery method. Good luck.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Chris Geankoplis
> > >> > > > Enosis.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >> On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 21:51, Jesse Shumaker <
> > >> > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
> > >> > > >> wrote:
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> Hi, I'm attempting to remove the mast tabernacle in order to
> > >> > > >> install the Dwyer Halyard Organizer plate (part DH288).  The
> > three
> > >> > > >> screws came out easily, but the tabernacle is still attached
> very
> > >> > > >> strongly with an adhesive.  I don't know what adhesive was
> used.
> > >> > > >> The adhesive is colored white.  I tried heating up the plate
> > with a
> > >> > > >> soldering iron and tried to squeeze in a razor but have been
> > unable
> > >> > to break the seal.
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> I would appreciate any tips from the group on how to free the
> > >> > > >> tabernacle from the cabin top.  Thanks in advance for any
> advice!
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> Jesse Shumaker
> > >> > > >> S/V Zephyr
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
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