From ttthompson at theriver.com Thu Oct 1 15:03:48 2020 From: ttthompson at theriver.com (Tommy Thompson) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 12:03:48 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4262, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: HI Everyone, For the life of me, I can't find my boat/trailer. Does the home office/facility keep copies? 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Re: Traveler technical aspects (Lowe, Rob) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 20:47:31 -0400 From: Matt Berman To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 2 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Where do you stow them? The only storage on my '86 cockpit is the lazerette. Or do you just stick them under the seats? Thanks, --Matt s/v Pantalaimon > On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: > > Peter has done some rigging work. Silverheels on youtube. > > I just made habit of preparing and stowing lines after each tack. This is > my first sailboat in 25 years. > > On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 5:16 PM Matt Berman wrote: > >> So, here's the second issue I ran into on my first sail. The Rhodes has a >> LOT more rope in the cockpit than I remember on other boats I have sailed. >> My last boat, an S2, was awhile ago, but I don't remember constantly >> sitting/standing on the lines or getting them tangled up. Part of it may be >> because, without the captain's chairs, I have to stand to see over the >> cabin, but, even so ... >> >> Do any of you have a line-management system that works well while sailing >> the Rhodes? >> >> Thanks, >> >> --Matt >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 20:04:47 -0500 From: Tom Van Heule To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 2 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Matt. There are some storage just below the winches for the jib sheets. The furling line is looped up on starboard bench. Traveller sheet does spool on the laz, but no one can sit there with the tiller... And we have the captain. Seats. Only when I heel do I touch the traveller. Else all is well, and easy. #1 rule I have found with my R22 is that if it is hard; I am doing something wrong. And we always have a moment where we realize what's up and then things are very easy again. Hth, Tom On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 7:47 PM Matt Berman wrote: > Where do you stow them? The only storage on my '86 cockpit is the > lazerette. Or do you just stick them under the seats? > > Thanks, > > --Matt > s/v Pantalaimon > > > > On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > > Peter has done some rigging work. Silverheels on youtube. > > > > I just made habit of preparing and stowing lines after each tack. This > is > > my first sailboat in 25 years. > > > > On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 5:16 PM Matt Berman wrote: > > > >> So, here's the second issue I ran into on my first sail. The Rhodes has > a > >> LOT more rope in the cockpit than I remember on other boats I have > sailed. > >> My last boat, an S2, was awhile ago, but I don't remember constantly > >> sitting/standing on the lines or getting them tangled up. Part of it > may be > >> because, without the captain's chairs, I have to stand to see over the > >> cabin, but, even so ... > >> > >> Do any of you have a line-management system that works well while > sailing > >> the Rhodes? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> --Matt > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 07:45:10 -0400 From: stan To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: <5cf98e26-ccfa-a4e0-9521-b44876e69ef2 at generalboats.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Matt, We were anxiously awaiting your take on the Certified category Rhodes recently delivered to you since we put so much more into your boat than is normally done for a purchase in this class. Not a peep. Instead we have been bypassed with 15 reports to the List numbered 1. and 2. so far, seemingly suggesting more to follow; neither with a word of satisfaction, only your annoying issues. The List is a treasure and the right place to go for private purchases of used Rhodes where we do not know the condition of the boat or alterations made, by prior owners.? In contrast, a direct purchase from General Boats where we know that boat first hand and the List does not, GB becomes the more logical source for addressing initial questions. Mentioning two of GB's policies is appropriate here: One is that you made your purchase appreciating that you could take advantage of GB's two year window to turn the boat in for a recycled category Rhodes where the original boat's price is applied to the new recycled Rhodes. The other you may not be tuned into is our quip that if anyone purchasing a Rhodes from General Boast says anything negative about his or her boat, we take it away from them. The practical translation of this is that if you are not completely comfortable with your purchase we will return your deposit and take the boat back without prejudice. Not affecting any of the above, I have two curiosity questions:? I thought we sent you 'Tips on Rigging and Sailing Your Rhodes 22', or am I mistaken. The other, weren't there any features that surprised and pleased you on this boat. stan ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 08:15:58 -0400 From: Scott Andrews To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: <1BBF0E60-3157-4246-A6FC-62D26A6C1C36 at verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I saw an interesting article in Sail magazine titled Choosing the Right Headsail for Your Sailboat. Scott A. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:01 PM, Shawn Boles wrote: > > ?Hi Matt: > > You will find there are a lot of ways to sail the Rhodes 22. When I am > sailing with the 175 full out, usually in light winds because I like to go > by other folks who are standing still, I backwind the jib and let it come > across when the time is right (you will find the release point after a > couple of times) . I also have roller tubes on the the fore and center > shrouds. > > Cheers, > Shawn > s/v Sweet Baboo > >> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 1:52 PM Matt Berman wrote: >> >> Hi, all, >> >> I've been sailing for most of my life, but only just got a Rhodes 22 this >> week. I went for my first sail today, light breeze, and encountered a >> number of things that are different from other boats I have sailed. Here's >> the first: >> >> Every time I came about, the genoa (170) hung up on everything it could >> find -- stanchions, lifelines, shrouds. This was not a minor, momentary >> clip -- it stayed hung up until each time I had to crawl forward and >> release the genoa by hand, not fun when you're single-handing. >> >> I made sure the sheets were all on the outside of everything, and that the >> sheet on the opposite side was loose and free, and I wasn't standing on it >> (more about that in another post). I tried jiggling both sides, and sawing >> both sheets back and forth to try to release it, but no go. >> >> Is there some trick or technique you use on a Rhodes to get the genoa to >> move smoothly from one side to the other during a tack? I didn't even try a >> jibe. >> >> Thanks, >> >> --Matt >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 08:24:18 -0400 From: Matt Berman To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: <9CA02EFB-1593-4B37-AECF-DCB442E997FE at mattmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear Stan, I am so sorry to have given you offense -- I can assure you that was not my intention. I think maybe I misunderstood how things work in Rhodes World. When the Gabriels sent me the link to this list and, based on my interactions with many other companies that make many other items that I have bought that have support forums for questions, I assumed that you wouldn't want hundreds of owners bothering you with questions and that the list was the support forum where I should post my questions. I didn't mean to bypass you, I thought that's how it was done. If that's not how you prefer it, I apologize, and will in future direct my questions to you privately. For the rest of your questions, I will take those to a private email to you. My sincere apologies, --Matt > On Sep 27, 2020, at 7:45 AM, stan wrote: > > > Matt, > > We were anxiously awaiting your take on the Certified category Rhodes recently delivered to you since we put so much more into your boat than is normally done for a purchase in this class. Not a peep. Instead we have been bypassed with 15 reports to the List numbered 1. and 2. so far, seemingly suggesting more to follow; neither with a word of satisfaction, only your annoying issues. > > The List is a treasure and the right place to go for private purchases of used Rhodes where we do not know the condition of the boat or alterations made, by prior owners. In contrast, a direct purchase from General Boats where we know that boat first hand and the List does not, GB becomes the more logical source for addressing initial questions. > > Mentioning two of GB's policies is appropriate here: > One is that you made your purchase appreciating that you could take advantage of GB's two year window to turn the boat in for a recycled category Rhodes where the original boat's price is applied to the new recycled Rhodes. > The other you may not be tuned into is our quip that if anyone purchasing a Rhodes from General Boast says anything negative about his or her boat, we take it away from them. The practical translation of this is that if you are not completely comfortable with your purchase we will return your deposit and take the boat back without prejudice. > > Not affecting any of the above, I have two curiosity questions: I thought we sent you 'Tips on Rigging and Sailing Your Rhodes 22', or am I mistaken. > The other, weren't there any features that surprised and pleased you on this boat. > > stan > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 08:25:03 -0400 From: Ric Stott To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: <96C91C88-BC23-41FF-8ABB-87436F5EEE69 at stottarchitecture.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 It?s not a design flaw, it?s a system you have to learn how to operate. I have shroud covers and turnbuckle covers on all the shrouds. The covers roll and help the big genny through the fore-triangle. I single-hand all the time and usually get the job to tack without complaints. My first few seasons with the Rhodes brought me to the conclusion that a 130% jib would be the answer - - - But - that big genny is often all the sail needed and since I have a continental rig, if I?m not sailing to weather, I can just roll out the Genoa. I have also found that unlike using both dials, the Rhodes will not be overpowered and on its ear with only one of the two sails up, even in winds up to 20 kts. My ideal would be a new CDI furler that would allow for sail changes, then choose a 130, the big guy or a Code Zero - according to wind conditions and sail plan. Ric sv Dadventure Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 26, 2020, at 5:36 PM, Matt Berman wrote: > > ?I'll give backfilling a try next time. > > I'm also seeing older posts now that talk about partially furling before each tack, which seems like a pain, and also adding adding a tricing line and/or shroud and turnbuckle covers to make them more slippy. There was also some argument about the relative virtues/disadvantages of cow hitch vs. clove hitch where the sheets attach to the genoa. I guess this has been an ongoing problem. Some posts even suggest that the 170 genoa is a mistake for the Rhodes, which I really hope is wrong. > > Thanks, > > --Matt > > > >> On Sep 26, 2020, at 5:28 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: >> >> I think Robert has it, it took me 3 sails to get the flick down. >> >> I have also furled, tacked, and then unfurled. >> But basically letting it fill up and pulling when the clew is high works. >> Ymmv of course. >> The biggest snag item is on the aft life rail lifeline eye, and the front >> cabin stay. >> >>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 4:13 PM Matt Berman wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for the quick responses. Is this a design flaw? If so, it seems >>> like a pretty serious one. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> --Matt >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 5:11 PM, Weiss, Robert L wrote: >>>> >>>> That?s a common problem with the 170. Try back filling the Jenny then >>> release it so it comes across faster. >>>> >>>> Robert L. Weiss Jr. >>>> Director of Music >>>> First United Methodist Carbondale IL >>>> Professor Emeritus, SIUC >>>> ________________________________ > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 08:26:48 -0400 From: Scott Andrews To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: <4DAA917B-FFA7-4609-AD09-9B4A7F7CBA4A at verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thanks Matt for that archive note on tacking a Rhodes. It makes good sense and is similar to the way we tack Flying Scots on the Delaware. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 27, 2020, at 8:16 AM, Scott Andrews wrote: > > ?I saw an interesting article in Sail magazine titled Choosing the Right Headsail for Your Sailboat. > Scott A. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:01 PM, Shawn Boles wrote: >> >> ?Hi Matt: >> >> You will find there are a lot of ways to sail the Rhodes 22. When I am >> sailing with the 175 full out, usually in light winds because I like to go >> by other folks who are standing still, I backwind the jib and let it come >> across when the time is right (you will find the release point after a >> couple of times) . I also have roller tubes on the the fore and center >> shrouds. >> >> Cheers, >> Shawn >> s/v Sweet Baboo >> >>>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 1:52 PM Matt Berman wrote: >>> >>> Hi, all, >>> >>> I've been sailing for most of my life, but only just got a Rhodes 22 this >>> week. I went for my first sail today, light breeze, and encountered a >>> number of things that are different from other boats I have sailed. Here's >>> the first: >>> >>> Every time I came about, the genoa (170) hung up on everything it could >>> find -- stanchions, lifelines, shrouds. This was not a minor, momentary >>> clip -- it stayed hung up until each time I had to crawl forward and >>> release the genoa by hand, not fun when you're single-handing. >>> >>> I made sure the sheets were all on the outside of everything, and that the >>> sheet on the opposite side was loose and free, and I wasn't standing on it >>> (more about that in another post). I tried jiggling both sides, and sawing >>> both sheets back and forth to try to release it, but no go. >>> >>> Is there some trick or technique you use on a Rhodes to get the genoa to >>> move smoothly from one side to the other during a tack? I didn't even try a >>> jibe. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> --Matt >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 09:49:55 -0400 From: Mitch Mitchell To: Scott Andrews , The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Ha, turns out I've been handling my drink all wrong during tacks! I would like to hear some more specifics of what people use for shroud and turnbuckle covers. Size pvc? Is there anything at the ends to keep it centered. Can they be purchased pre-made? Thanks! On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 8:26 AM Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Thanks Matt for that archive note on tacking a Rhodes. It makes good sense > and is similar to the way we tack Flying Scots on the Delaware. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 27, 2020, at 8:16 AM, Scott Andrews wrote: > > > > ?I saw an interesting article in Sail magazine titled Choosing the Right > Headsail for Your Sailboat. > > Scott A. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:01 PM, Shawn Boles > wrote: > >> > >> ?Hi Matt: > >> > >> You will find there are a lot of ways to sail the Rhodes 22. When I am > >> sailing with the 175 full out, usually in light winds because I like to > go > >> by other folks who are standing still, I backwind the jib and let it > come > >> across when the time is right (you will find the release point after a > >> couple of times) . I also have roller tubes on the the fore and center > >> shrouds. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Shawn > >> s/v Sweet Baboo > >> > >>>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 1:52 PM Matt Berman wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi, all, > >>> > >>> I've been sailing for most of my life, but only just got a Rhodes 22 > this > >>> week. I went for my first sail today, light breeze, and encountered a > >>> number of things that are different from other boats I have sailed. > Here's > >>> the first: > >>> > >>> Every time I came about, the genoa (170) hung up on everything it could > >>> find -- stanchions, lifelines, shrouds. This was not a minor, momentary > >>> clip -- it stayed hung up until each time I had to crawl forward and > >>> release the genoa by hand, not fun when you're single-handing. > >>> > >>> I made sure the sheets were all on the outside of everything, and that > the > >>> sheet on the opposite side was loose and free, and I wasn't standing > on it > >>> (more about that in another post). I tried jiggling both sides, and > sawing > >>> both sheets back and forth to try to release it, but no go. > >>> > >>> Is there some trick or technique you use on a Rhodes to get the genoa > to > >>> move smoothly from one side to the other during a tack? I didn't even > try a > >>> jibe. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> --Matt > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 11:20:33 -0400 From: Peter Nyberg To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie questions Message-ID: <217A45F8-0D12-42E9-A76C-2FC4F0B8FBF3 at sunnybeeches.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Matt, No one is authorized to speak for the List as a whole, but, however much you may have annoyed Stan, let me assure you that you have violated no List rules or norms of behavior. As such, you remain a member in good standing, are are free to submit questions to the List. To be clear, the List is totally independent from General Boats. It?s not a ?support forum? in the usual use of the term. It is merely a collection of people who own a Rhodes 22, used to own a Rhodes 22, or are thinking about buying a Rhodes 22. So, once again, as one member to another, I say welcome aboard. Out of curiosity, where do you sail? Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On Sep 27, 2020, at 8:24 AM, Matt Berman wrote: > > Dear Stan, > > I am so sorry to have given you offense -- I can assure you that was not my intention. > > I think maybe I misunderstood how things work in Rhodes World. When the Gabriels sent me the link to this list and, based on my interactions with many other companies that make many other items that I have bought that have support forums for questions, I assumed that you wouldn't want hundreds of owners bothering you with questions and that the list was the support forum where I should post my questions. I didn't mean to bypass you, I thought that's how it was done. If that's not how you prefer it, I apologize, and will in future direct my questions to you privately. > > For the rest of your questions, I will take those to a private email to you. > > My sincere apologies, > > --Matt > > > >> On Sep 27, 2020, at 7:45 AM, stan wrote: >> >> >> Matt, >> >> We were anxiously awaiting your take on the Certified category Rhodes recently delivered to you since we put so much more into your boat than is normally done for a purchase in this class. Not a peep. Instead we have been bypassed with 15 reports to the List numbered 1. and 2. so far, seemingly suggesting more to follow; neither with a word of satisfaction, only your annoying issues. >> >> The List is a treasure and the right place to go for private purchases of used Rhodes where we do not know the condition of the boat or alterations made, by prior owners. In contrast, a direct purchase from General Boats where we know that boat first hand and the List does not, GB becomes the more logical source for addressing initial questions. >> >> Mentioning two of GB's policies is appropriate here: >> One is that you made your purchase appreciating that you could take advantage of GB's two year window to turn the boat in for a recycled category Rhodes where the original boat's price is applied to the new recycled Rhodes. >> The other you may not be tuned into is our quip that if anyone purchasing a Rhodes from General Boast says anything negative about his or her boat, we take it away from them. The practical translation of this is that if you are not completely comfortable with your purchase we will return your deposit and take the boat back without prejudice. >> >> Not affecting any of the above, I have two curiosity questions: I thought we sent you 'Tips on Rigging and Sailing Your Rhodes 22', or am I mistaken. >> The other, weren't there any features that surprised and pleased you on this boat. >> >> stan >> > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 12:11:35 -0400 From: Matt Berman To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie questions Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I'm on Lake Norman in NC. Thanks for the welcome! --Matt s/v Pantalaimon > On Sep 27, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > Matt, > > No one is authorized to speak for the List as a whole, but, however much you may have annoyed Stan, let me assure you that you have violated no List rules or norms of behavior. As such, you remain a member in good standing, are are free to submit questions to the List. > > To be clear, the List is totally independent from General Boats. It?s not a ?support forum? in the usual use of the term. It is merely a collection of people who own a Rhodes 22, used to own a Rhodes 22, or are thinking about buying a Rhodes 22. > > So, once again, as one member to another, I say welcome aboard. > > Out of curiosity, where do you sail? > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > >> On Sep 27, 2020, at 8:24 AM, Matt Berman wrote: >> >> Dear Stan, >> >> I am so sorry to have given you offense -- I can assure you that was not my intention. >> >> I think maybe I misunderstood how things work in Rhodes World. When the Gabriels sent me the link to this list and, based on my interactions with many other companies that make many other items that I have bought that have support forums for questions, I assumed that you wouldn't want hundreds of owners bothering you with questions and that the list was the support forum where I should post my questions. I didn't mean to bypass you, I thought that's how it was done. If that's not how you prefer it, I apologize, and will in future direct my questions to you privately. >> >> For the rest of your questions, I will take those to a private email to you. >> >> My sincere apologies, >> >> --Matt >> >> >> >>> On Sep 27, 2020, at 7:45 AM, stan wrote: >>> >>> >>> Matt, >>> >>> We were anxiously awaiting your take on the Certified category Rhodes recently delivered to you since we put so much more into your boat than is normally done for a purchase in this class. Not a peep. Instead we have been bypassed with 15 reports to the List numbered 1. and 2. so far, seemingly suggesting more to follow; neither with a word of satisfaction, only your annoying issues. >>> >>> The List is a treasure and the right place to go for private purchases of used Rhodes where we do not know the condition of the boat or alterations made, by prior owners. In contrast, a direct purchase from General Boats where we know that boat first hand and the List does not, GB becomes the more logical source for addressing initial questions. >>> >>> Mentioning two of GB's policies is appropriate here: >>> One is that you made your purchase appreciating that you could take advantage of GB's two year window to turn the boat in for a recycled category Rhodes where the original boat's price is applied to the new recycled Rhodes. >>> The other you may not be tuned into is our quip that if anyone purchasing a Rhodes from General Boast says anything negative about his or her boat, we take it away from them. The practical translation of this is that if you are not completely comfortable with your purchase we will return your deposit and take the boat back without prejudice. >>> >>> Not affecting any of the above, I have two curiosity questions: I thought we sent you 'Tips on Rigging and Sailing Your Rhodes 22', or am I mistaken. >>> The other, weren't there any features that surprised and pleased you on this boat. >>> >>> stan >>> >> > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 12:24:44 -0400 From: Frank Goldsmith To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie questions Message-ID: <38895D22-2DAF-493E-9BE5-F134F2A1584E at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi, Matt, Let me add my welcome as a fellow North Carolinian (living in the Asheville area). I sail on Lake Keowee, SC. I think the archival advice on how to tack a Rhodes with the large headsail is exactly right. I just let it backfill to help bring the bow around before pulling in the leeward jib sheet. I do have the PVC-type shroud/turnbuckle roller tubes; I forgot to put them on the last time I raised the mast, but it works o.k. without them. (I don?t have lifelines on my boat.) Next time I take down the mast I?ll probably put them back on. Frank Frank Goldsmith Fairview, NC S/V ?Mary Bess? Lake Keowee, SC > On Sep 27, 2020, at 12:11 PM, Matt Berman wrote: > > I'm on Lake Norman in NC. Thanks for the welcome! > > > --Matt > s/v Pantalaimon > > >> On Sep 27, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Peter Nyberg wrote: >> >> Matt, >> >> No one is authorized to speak for the List as a whole, but, however much you may have annoyed Stan, let me assure you that you have violated no List rules or norms of behavior. As such, you remain a member in good standing, are are free to submit questions to the List. >> >> To be clear, the List is totally independent from General Boats. It?s not a ?support forum? in the usual use of the term. It is merely a collection of people who own a Rhodes 22, used to own a Rhodes 22, or are thinking about buying a Rhodes 22. >> >> So, once again, as one member to another, I say welcome aboard. >> >> Out of curiosity, where do you sail? >> >> Peter Nyberg >> Coventry, CT >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) >> >>> On Sep 27, 2020, at 8:24 AM, Matt Berman wrote: >>> >>> Dear Stan, >>> >>> I am so sorry to have given you offense -- I can assure you that was not my intention. >>> >>> I think maybe I misunderstood how things work in Rhodes World. When the Gabriels sent me the link to this list and, based on my interactions with many other companies that make many other items that I have bought that have support forums for questions, I assumed that you wouldn't want hundreds of owners bothering you with questions and that the list was the support forum where I should post my questions. I didn't mean to bypass you, I thought that's how it was done. If that's not how you prefer it, I apologize, and will in future direct my questions to you privately. >>> >>> For the rest of your questions, I will take those to a private email to you. >>> >>> My sincere apologies, >>> >>> --Matt >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Sep 27, 2020, at 7:45 AM, stan wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Matt, >>>> >>>> We were anxiously awaiting your take on the Certified category Rhodes recently delivered to you since we put so much more into your boat than is normally done for a purchase in this class. Not a peep. Instead we have been bypassed with 15 reports to the List numbered 1. and 2. so far, seemingly suggesting more to follow; neither with a word of satisfaction, only your annoying issues. >>>> >>>> The List is a treasure and the right place to go for private purchases of used Rhodes where we do not know the condition of the boat or alterations made, by prior owners. In contrast, a direct purchase from General Boats where we know that boat first hand and the List does not, GB becomes the more logical source for addressing initial questions. >>>> >>>> Mentioning two of GB's policies is appropriate here: >>>> One is that you made your purchase appreciating that you could take advantage of GB's two year window to turn the boat in for a recycled category Rhodes where the original boat's price is applied to the new recycled Rhodes. >>>> The other you may not be tuned into is our quip that if anyone purchasing a Rhodes from General Boast says anything negative about his or her boat, we take it away from them. The practical translation of this is that if you are not completely comfortable with your purchase we will return your deposit and take the boat back without prejudice. >>>> >>>> Not affecting any of the above, I have two curiosity questions: I thought we sent you 'Tips on Rigging and Sailing Your Rhodes 22', or am I mistaken. >>>> The other, weren't there any features that surprised and pleased you on this boat. >>>> >>>> stan >>>> >>> >> > ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 13:39:14 -0700 (MST) From: S/V Lark To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 2 Message-ID: <1601239154801-0.post at n5.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What lines are you struggling. This is what works for me, mostly alone. My main sheet length is adequate with the boom in the upper position running downwind. The excess is coiled and tied to the pushpit with the boom in the lower position beating. I find myself adjusting if I adjust boom height. Sufficient main to run leaves a few feet clumped over the lazarette hatch beating, but not enough to feel dangerous. I generally keep it laying on my knee for a quick release, while in the captain's chair. The lazy jib sheet is in the coaming compartment. The other is cross cleated, and also extends to my knee or in my hand. If the tack is long I tuck the excess in the coaming compartment. On long Lake Erie tacks I found myself not bothering to cross cleat. The boom lift is cleated, coiled and tucked around itself hanging off the side of the cabin. The jib furling line does the same thing on the opposite side. The outhaul and inhaul have cleats on the boom. My motor mount has the block and tackle system, that line is also coiled and looped over itself on the pushpit. Regarding the jib post, I find a smaller jib is versatile and adequate. I never tried the 170 but downsized from a custom jib (est 150%) the PO used to Stan's 140% size when wear forced replacement. I tend to canoe or single hand a 2 man dinghy when the wind is extremely light, so I don't miss the extra sail area. Convenience is one of this boat's superpowers. In good (10 knot steady) wind you can drop the motor and start it on your final sailing approach to the marina inlet. Uncleat the jib furling line. Disconnect excess outhaul from the horn cleats and let it hang from the boom. If on a starboard tack, do a penalty turn. Head up, let the backfilled jib will pull the bow around smartly, tack as normal. As the main reaches the starboard side upwind release the outhaul from the boom end cleat and furl the main. The rudder remains hard over and the boat continues to fall off. Use momentum and the jib to finish the circle. Furl the jib. Put the motor in gear. The Rhodes can have everything neatly furled by the time the turn is complete and never lose its place in line for a busy marina. Somebody needs to video themselves from a chase boat for Stan's website. ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 16:12:32 -0500 From: Tom Van Heule To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 2 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Sounds like you're the star of this video. Where are you? I might be down for chasing you with a camera. On Sun, Sep 27, 2020, 3:39 PM S/V Lark wrote: > What lines are you struggling. This is what works for me, mostly alone. > > My main sheet length is adequate with the boom in the upper position > running > downwind. The excess is coiled and tied to the pushpit with the boom in > the lower position beating. I find myself adjusting if I adjust boom > height. Sufficient main to run leaves a few feet clumped over the > lazarette hatch beating, but not enough to feel dangerous. I generally > keep it laying on my knee for a quick release, while in the captain's > chair. > > The lazy jib sheet is in the coaming compartment. The other is cross > cleated, and also extends to my knee or in my hand. If the tack is long > I > tuck the excess in the coaming compartment. On long Lake Erie tacks I > found myself not bothering to cross cleat. > > The boom lift is cleated, coiled and tucked around itself hanging off the > side of the cabin. > > The jib furling line does the same thing on the opposite side. > > The outhaul and inhaul have cleats on the boom. > > My motor mount has the block and tackle system, that line is also coiled > and > looped over itself on the pushpit. > > Regarding the jib post, I find a smaller jib is versatile and adequate. I > never tried the 170 but downsized from a custom jib (est 150%) the PO used > to Stan's 140% size when wear forced replacement. I tend to canoe or > single hand a 2 man dinghy when the wind is extremely light, so I don't > miss > the extra sail area. > > > Convenience is one of this boat's superpowers. In good (10 knot steady) > wind you can drop the motor and start it on your final sailing approach to > the marina inlet. Uncleat the jib furling line. Disconnect excess > outhaul from the horn cleats and let it hang from the boom. If on a > starboard tack, do a penalty turn. Head up, let the backfilled jib will > pull the bow around smartly, tack as normal. As the main reaches the > starboard side upwind release the outhaul from the boom end cleat and furl > the main. The rudder remains hard over and the boat continues to fall > off. > Use momentum and the jib to finish the circle. Furl the jib. Put the > motor in gear. The Rhodes can have everything neatly furled by the time > the turn is complete and never lose its place in line for a busy marina. > Somebody needs to video themselves from a chase boat for Stan's website. > > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 18:17:20 -0400 From: Matt Berman To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 2 Message-ID: <27CB6387-4970-4AE0-8433-549135DC816C at mattmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks so much -- very helpful. And yes, a video would be great. --Matt > On Sep 27, 2020, at 4:39 PM, S/V Lark wrote: > > What lines are you struggling. This is what works for me, mostly alone. > > My main sheet length is adequate with the boom in the upper position running > downwind. The excess is coiled and tied to the pushpit with the boom in > the lower position beating. I find myself adjusting if I adjust boom > height. Sufficient main to run leaves a few feet clumped over the > lazarette hatch beating, but not enough to feel dangerous. I generally > keep it laying on my knee for a quick release, while in the captain's chair. > > The lazy jib sheet is in the coaming compartment. The other is cross > cleated, and also extends to my knee or in my hand. If the tack is long I > tuck the excess in the coaming compartment. On long Lake Erie tacks I > found myself not bothering to cross cleat. > > The boom lift is cleated, coiled and tucked around itself hanging off the > side of the cabin. > > The jib furling line does the same thing on the opposite side. > > The outhaul and inhaul have cleats on the boom. > > My motor mount has the block and tackle system, that line is also coiled and > looped over itself on the pushpit. > > Regarding the jib post, I find a smaller jib is versatile and adequate. I > never tried the 170 but downsized from a custom jib (est 150%) the PO used > to Stan's 140% size when wear forced replacement. I tend to canoe or > single hand a 2 man dinghy when the wind is extremely light, so I don't miss > the extra sail area. > > > Convenience is one of this boat's superpowers. In good (10 knot steady) > wind you can drop the motor and start it on your final sailing approach to > the marina inlet. Uncleat the jib furling line. Disconnect excess > outhaul from the horn cleats and let it hang from the boom. If on a > starboard tack, do a penalty turn. Head up, let the backfilled jib will > pull the bow around smartly, tack as normal. As the main reaches the > starboard side upwind release the outhaul from the boom end cleat and furl > the main. The rudder remains hard over and the boat continues to fall off. > Use momentum and the jib to finish the circle. Furl the jib. Put the > motor in gear. The Rhodes can have everything neatly furled by the time > the turn is complete and never lose its place in line for a busy marina. > Somebody needs to video themselves from a chase boat for Stan's website. > > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 20:22:57 -0700 (MST) From: Gmorganflier To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: <1601263377512-0.post at n5.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Welcome to the list Matt, I?m a very novice sailer and the Rhodes 22 is my first sailboat. I?ve been out on her maybe 9 or 10 times. I have gotten better at getting the big genny to switch sides if the winds are at least around 3-4 mph. Less then that, I still have trouble unless I furl the sail in a bit. I?ve experimented with different shroud guards and my latest rendition uses pvc...not schedule 40, but whatever the thinner version is. I use 1? diameter for the outer tube, 3/4? for the inner tube, a 3/4? cap and 1/4? pex up the shroud from there for maybe 5?. I drill a hole in the cap big enough to get the 1/4 pex through. To thread the shroud through the 1/4? pex and pvc cap you need to take the turnbuckle off so your only working with the shroud wire and it?s threaded end. The 3/4? cap is almost the same diameter as the 1? pvc, but there is some slop with the 3/4? pvc moving around inside the 1? pvc. The remedy this I used 9 wraps of electrical tape to center the 3/4? inside the 1? and then I used sail tape around the joint between the cap and the 1? pvc. The photo I?m attaching is a screen shot from a video I made this morning. George Morgan S/V Knotty Lady 1986/2005 -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 20:54:37 -0700 (MST) From: S/V Lark To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 2 Message-ID: <1601265277790-0.post at n5.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 My home port is Clarence J Brown reservoir by Springfield, What I described is just a combination of everything you normally do. Planning ahead let?s you do it faster. I?m in the habit of sailing as close to the inlet as I could before a dying evening wind gets frustrating, to maximize sailboat time before going back to real life. Mistrust of my outboard encouraged me to start it up early ?just in case?. As I repeated in heavier winds I got faster, a way to catch up with guys busy flaking sails while I enjoyed a sunset lap. I realized how cool it was at the inlet of Sandusky Sailing Club. I wasn?t sure of my location. I slipped between a nice big Hunter and another boat, both motoring towards one of the multiple marinas, and sailed in line with them until I could read the little sign. A buoy marks a rock just downwind of the entrance. A Colgate with a student driver careened around in beginner agony where I might tack and furl. I wasn?t sure where he was going to go next, so I stayed in line and prepped the boat for a quick 360. I realized how fast it looks when I saw the Hunter, still a couple hundred yards behind me, start to twitch his bow just as I completed my turn and dropped the motor in gear. He didn?t realize what was happening until it was over. Watching the out of control Colgate likely made him a bit jumpy. Since the wind was great and upwind is brisk compared to downwind, I only lost a handful of boat lengths and remained well clear of other traffic. ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 06:51:35 -0400 From: Matt Berman To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Wow -- that looks amazing. Thanks for the welcome, info, and pics. --Matt > On Sep 27, 2020, at 11:22 PM, Gmorganflier wrote: > > Welcome to the list Matt, > > I?m a very novice sailer and the Rhodes 22 is my first sailboat. I?ve been > out on her maybe 9 or 10 times. I have gotten better at getting the big > genny to switch sides if the winds are at least around 3-4 mph. Less then > that, I still have trouble unless I furl the sail in a bit. > > I?ve experimented with different shroud guards and my latest rendition uses > pvc...not schedule 40, but whatever the thinner version is. I use 1? > diameter for the outer tube, 3/4? for the inner tube, a 3/4? cap and 1/4? > pex up the shroud from there for maybe 5?. I drill a hole in the cap big > enough to get the 1/4 pex through. To thread the shroud through the 1/4? pex > and pvc cap you need to take the turnbuckle off so your only working with > the shroud wire and it?s threaded end. > > The 3/4? cap is almost the same diameter as the 1? pvc, but there is some > slop with the 3/4? pvc moving around inside the 1? pvc. The remedy this I > used 9 wraps of electrical tape to center the 3/4? inside the 1? and then I > used sail tape around the joint between the cap and the 1? pvc. > > The photo I?m attaching is a screen shot from a video I made this morning. > > George Morgan > S/V Knotty Lady 1986/2005 > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 07:54:36 -0700 (MST) From: Joe Dempsey To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] JIB Furling Line Message-ID: <1601304876298-0.post at n5.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Peter, Sounds like what you say confirms the CDI needs 5/32" or 3/16". However, I read a good suggestion (I'll try to find the link and send it) to de-core a 1/4" or 3/16" line for the first ??# of feet to wrap on the drum will allow the remainder to coil up. This gives you a larger line for a better grip. I really do dislike the small furler lines. ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 08:22:12 -0700 (MST) From: Joe Dempsey To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: <1601306532478-0.post at n5.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Matt, I, too, am an experienced sailor and found many idiosyncrasies with the Rhodes. "Respite" has the 175 jenny and i had difficulty tacking in light air. I added longer PVC shroud rollers (it came with 12"-18" rollers) I had mahogany rollers on a previous boat so being a traditionalist, I stained the PVC. See photo attached. One thing, especially in light air, try to wait for a lift to build up your speed and get the helm over hard and fast, if not you're going to be in irons before the jenny gets over. Hope this helps. ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 11:27:48 -0400 From: Matt Berman To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: <013E0C7E-2CB1-42F5-A449-89CE00BE0E64 at mattmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks. I tried it yesterday, after adding pvc pipe over the shrouds, with backfilling the genoa until after going through the wind, and it seemed to work pretty well. I also only had the genoa unfurled to about 130 or so. Weather said the wind was 6 knots, but it seemed a bit lighter than that. Thanks, --Matt > On Sep 28, 2020, at 11:22 AM, Joe Dempsey wrote: > > Matt, > I, too, am an experienced sailor and found many idiosyncrasies with the > Rhodes. "Respite" has the 175 jenny and i had difficulty tacking in light > air. I added longer PVC shroud rollers (it came with 12"-18" rollers) I had > mahogany rollers on a previous boat so being a traditionalist, I stained the > PVC. See photo attached. One thing, especially in light air, try to wait > for a lift to build up your speed and get the helm over hard and fast, if > not you're going to be in irons before the jenny gets over. Hope this > helps. > > > > > > > > ----- > Joe Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Deltaville,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 11:28:52 -0400 From: Mary Lou Troy To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: <89157f14-66ac-82ec-5962-95fd1ca6ff63 at atlanticbb.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed For any of you folks covering your shrouds or stays, remember to check frequently for corrosion as the covers can trap moisture. It's particularly an issue if the moisture you are trapping is salt water or damp salt air. When we had our boat, we used the vinyl turnbuckle covers but not the shroud covers for that reason. The turnbuckle covers were open at the bottom but we did have an issue with the sheet getting caught between the part of the turnbuckle that holds the clevis pin and the toe rail. A few wraps of rigging tape eliminated that and we did remove that at the end of the season. Mary Lou ex Rhodes 22 now Rosborough RF-246? Tara On 9/27/2020 11:22 PM, Gmorganflier wrote: > Welcome to the list Matt, > > I?m a very novice sailer and the Rhodes 22 is my first sailboat. I?ve been > out on her maybe 9 or 10 times. I have gotten better at getting the big > genny to switch sides if the winds are at least around 3-4 mph. Less then > that, I still have trouble unless I furl the sail in a bit. > > I?ve experimented with different shroud guards and my latest rendition uses > pvc...not schedule 40, but whatever the thinner version is. I use 1? > diameter for the outer tube, 3/4? for the inner tube, a 3/4? cap and 1/4? > pex up the shroud from there for maybe 5?. I drill a hole in the cap big > enough to get the 1/4 pex through. To thread the shroud through the 1/4? pex > and pvc cap you need to take the turnbuckle off so your only working with > the shroud wire and it?s threaded end. > > The 3/4? cap is almost the same diameter as the 1? pvc, but there is some > slop with the 3/4? pvc moving around inside the 1? pvc. The remedy this I > used 9 wraps of electrical tape to center the 3/4? inside the 1? and then I > used sail tape around the joint between the cap and the 1? pvc. > > The photo I?m attaching is a screen shot from a video I made this morning. > > George Morgan > S/V Knotty Lady 1986/2005 > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 08:55:31 -0700 (MST) From: NewIn76 To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler technical aspects Message-ID: <1601308531699-0.post at n5.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii All, The Rhodes 22 is the first boat I've owned with an end-boom traveler. What makes this arrangement any better than either the triangle mainsheet rigging on a Com-Pac 23 or the smaller traveler system found on early Catalina 22s? I'm not arguing against Stan or GBI conventional wisdom, I'm just trying to figure it out how the traveler adds to my experience. Why ask now? I have to rebuild my traveler system. ----- Brian 1976 Rhodes 22 Cleveland -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 12:58:53 -0400 From: Rick Lange To: NewIn76 , The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler technical aspects Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Brian, Do you have the IMF? If so, it provides perfect adjustment of the mainsail along with an obstruction free cockpit and companionway. Regards, Rick Lange On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:55 AM NewIn76 via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > All, > The Rhodes 22 is the first boat I've owned with an end-boom traveler. What > makes this arrangement any better than either the triangle mainsheet > rigging > on a Com-Pac 23 or the smaller traveler system found on early Catalina > 22s? > I'm not arguing against Stan or GBI conventional wisdom, I'm just trying to > figure it out how the traveler adds to my experience. > > Why ask now? I have to rebuild my traveler system. > > > > ----- > Brian > 1976 Rhodes 22 > Cleveland > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 10:11:04 -0700 (MST) From: NewIn76 To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler technical aspects Message-ID: <1601313064136-0.post at n5.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have a pre-IMF main. My traveler is mounted to an interesting aluminum bracket. I'm all for the unobstructed cockpit. I think I have a Frankenstein setup and basically need to re-do it. I'm just trying to get an idea of why I need a traveler. ----- Brian 1976 Rhodes 22 Cleveland -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 17:30:23 +0000 From: "Lowe, Rob" To: NewIn76 , The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler technical aspects Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Brain, Now that's an interesting set up. Can't say we've seen one like this before. I had a 76, let me see if I can find some pictures of the traveler. - rob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of NewIn76 via Rhodes22-list Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 1:11 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler technical aspects I have a pre-IMF main. My traveler is mounted to an interesting aluminum bracket. I'm all for the unobstructed cockpit. I think I have a Frankenstein setup and basically need to re-do it. I'm just trying to get an idea of why I need a traveler. ----- Brian 1976 Rhodes 22 Cleveland -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Rhodes22-list mailing list Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list ------------------------------ End of Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4262, Issue 1 ********************************************** From ttthompson at theriver.com Thu Oct 1 15:16:25 2020 From: ttthompson at theriver.com (Tommy Thompson) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 12:16:25 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4262, Issue 1 References: Message-ID: What an Idiot I am, I missed out the most important item. It's the titles I am missing... Tommy -----Original Message----- From: Tommy Thompson Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2020 12:04 PM To: 'rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org' Subject: RE: Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4262, Issue 1 HI Everyone, For the life of me, I can't find my boat/trailer. Does the home office/facility keep copies? Tommy -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 10:30 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4262, Issue 1 Send Rhodes22-list mailing list submissions to rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org You can reach the person managing the list at rhodes22-list-owner at rhodes22.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Rhodes22-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Newbie question 2 (Matt Berman) 2. Re: Newbie question 2 (Tom Van Heule) 3. Re: Newbie question 1 (stan) 4. Re: Newbie question 1 (Scott Andrews) 5. Re: Newbie question 1 (Matt Berman) 6. Re: Newbie question 1 (Ric Stott) 7. Re: Newbie question 1 (Scott Andrews) 8. Re: Newbie question 1 (Mitch Mitchell) 9. Re: Newbie questions (Peter Nyberg) 10. Re: Newbie questions (Matt Berman) 11. Re: Newbie questions (Frank Goldsmith) 12. Re: Newbie question 2 (S/V Lark) 13. Re: Newbie question 2 (Tom Van Heule) 14. Re: Newbie question 2 (Matt Berman) 15. Re: Newbie question 1 (Gmorganflier) 16. Re: Newbie question 2 (S/V Lark) 17. Re: Newbie question 1 (Matt Berman) 18. Re: JIB Furling Line (Joe Dempsey) 19. Re: Newbie question 1 (Joe Dempsey) 20. Re: Newbie question 1 (Matt Berman) 21. Re: Newbie question 1 (Mary Lou Troy) 22. Traveler technical aspects (NewIn76) 23. Re: Traveler technical aspects (Rick Lange) 24. Re: Traveler technical aspects (NewIn76) 25. Re: Traveler technical aspects (Lowe, Rob) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 20:47:31 -0400 From: Matt Berman To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 2 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Where do you stow them? The only storage on my '86 cockpit is the lazerette. Or do you just stick them under the seats? Thanks, --Matt s/v Pantalaimon > On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: > > Peter has done some rigging work. Silverheels on youtube. > > I just made habit of preparing and stowing lines after each tack. This is > my first sailboat in 25 years. > > On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 5:16 PM Matt Berman wrote: > >> So, here's the second issue I ran into on my first sail. The Rhodes has a >> LOT more rope in the cockpit than I remember on other boats I have sailed. >> My last boat, an S2, was awhile ago, but I don't remember constantly >> sitting/standing on the lines or getting them tangled up. Part of it may be >> because, without the captain's chairs, I have to stand to see over the >> cabin, but, even so ... >> >> Do any of you have a line-management system that works well while sailing >> the Rhodes? >> >> Thanks, >> >> --Matt >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 20:04:47 -0500 From: Tom Van Heule To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 2 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Matt. There are some storage just below the winches for the jib sheets. The furling line is looped up on starboard bench. Traveller sheet does spool on the laz, but no one can sit there with the tiller... And we have the captain. Seats. Only when I heel do I touch the traveller. Else all is well, and easy. #1 rule I have found with my R22 is that if it is hard; I am doing something wrong. And we always have a moment where we realize what's up and then things are very easy again. Hth, Tom On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 7:47 PM Matt Berman wrote: > Where do you stow them? The only storage on my '86 cockpit is the > lazerette. Or do you just stick them under the seats? > > Thanks, > > --Matt > s/v Pantalaimon > > > > On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > > Peter has done some rigging work. Silverheels on youtube. > > > > I just made habit of preparing and stowing lines after each tack. This > is > > my first sailboat in 25 years. > > > > On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 5:16 PM Matt Berman wrote: > > > >> So, here's the second issue I ran into on my first sail. The Rhodes has > a > >> LOT more rope in the cockpit than I remember on other boats I have > sailed. > >> My last boat, an S2, was awhile ago, but I don't remember constantly > >> sitting/standing on the lines or getting them tangled up. Part of it > may be > >> because, without the captain's chairs, I have to stand to see over the > >> cabin, but, even so ... > >> > >> Do any of you have a line-management system that works well while > sailing > >> the Rhodes? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> --Matt > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 07:45:10 -0400 From: stan To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: <5cf98e26-ccfa-a4e0-9521-b44876e69ef2 at generalboats.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Matt, We were anxiously awaiting your take on the Certified category Rhodes recently delivered to you since we put so much more into your boat than is normally done for a purchase in this class. Not a peep. Instead we have been bypassed with 15 reports to the List numbered 1. and 2. so far, seemingly suggesting more to follow; neither with a word of satisfaction, only your annoying issues. The List is a treasure and the right place to go for private purchases of used Rhodes where we do not know the condition of the boat or alterations made, by prior owners.? In contrast, a direct purchase from General Boats where we know that boat first hand and the List does not, GB becomes the more logical source for addressing initial questions. Mentioning two of GB's policies is appropriate here: One is that you made your purchase appreciating that you could take advantage of GB's two year window to turn the boat in for a recycled category Rhodes where the original boat's price is applied to the new recycled Rhodes. The other you may not be tuned into is our quip that if anyone purchasing a Rhodes from General Boast says anything negative about his or her boat, we take it away from them. The practical translation of this is that if you are not completely comfortable with your purchase we will return your deposit and take the boat back without prejudice. Not affecting any of the above, I have two curiosity questions:? I thought we sent you 'Tips on Rigging and Sailing Your Rhodes 22', or am I mistaken. The other, weren't there any features that surprised and pleased you on this boat. stan ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 08:15:58 -0400 From: Scott Andrews To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: <1BBF0E60-3157-4246-A6FC-62D26A6C1C36 at verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I saw an interesting article in Sail magazine titled Choosing the Right Headsail for Your Sailboat. Scott A. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:01 PM, Shawn Boles wrote: > > ?Hi Matt: > > You will find there are a lot of ways to sail the Rhodes 22. When I am > sailing with the 175 full out, usually in light winds because I like to go > by other folks who are standing still, I backwind the jib and let it come > across when the time is right (you will find the release point after a > couple of times) . I also have roller tubes on the the fore and center > shrouds. > > Cheers, > Shawn > s/v Sweet Baboo > >> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 1:52 PM Matt Berman wrote: >> >> Hi, all, >> >> I've been sailing for most of my life, but only just got a Rhodes 22 this >> week. I went for my first sail today, light breeze, and encountered a >> number of things that are different from other boats I have sailed. Here's >> the first: >> >> Every time I came about, the genoa (170) hung up on everything it could >> find -- stanchions, lifelines, shrouds. This was not a minor, momentary >> clip -- it stayed hung up until each time I had to crawl forward and >> release the genoa by hand, not fun when you're single-handing. >> >> I made sure the sheets were all on the outside of everything, and that the >> sheet on the opposite side was loose and free, and I wasn't standing on it >> (more about that in another post). I tried jiggling both sides, and sawing >> both sheets back and forth to try to release it, but no go. >> >> Is there some trick or technique you use on a Rhodes to get the genoa to >> move smoothly from one side to the other during a tack? I didn't even try a >> jibe. >> >> Thanks, >> >> --Matt >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 08:24:18 -0400 From: Matt Berman To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: <9CA02EFB-1593-4B37-AECF-DCB442E997FE at mattmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear Stan, I am so sorry to have given you offense -- I can assure you that was not my intention. I think maybe I misunderstood how things work in Rhodes World. When the Gabriels sent me the link to this list and, based on my interactions with many other companies that make many other items that I have bought that have support forums for questions, I assumed that you wouldn't want hundreds of owners bothering you with questions and that the list was the support forum where I should post my questions. I didn't mean to bypass you, I thought that's how it was done. If that's not how you prefer it, I apologize, and will in future direct my questions to you privately. For the rest of your questions, I will take those to a private email to you. My sincere apologies, --Matt > On Sep 27, 2020, at 7:45 AM, stan wrote: > > > Matt, > > We were anxiously awaiting your take on the Certified category Rhodes recently delivered to you since we put so much more into your boat than is normally done for a purchase in this class. Not a peep. Instead we have been bypassed with 15 reports to the List numbered 1. and 2. so far, seemingly suggesting more to follow; neither with a word of satisfaction, only your annoying issues. > > The List is a treasure and the right place to go for private purchases of used Rhodes where we do not know the condition of the boat or alterations made, by prior owners. In contrast, a direct purchase from General Boats where we know that boat first hand and the List does not, GB becomes the more logical source for addressing initial questions. > > Mentioning two of GB's policies is appropriate here: > One is that you made your purchase appreciating that you could take advantage of GB's two year window to turn the boat in for a recycled category Rhodes where the original boat's price is applied to the new recycled Rhodes. > The other you may not be tuned into is our quip that if anyone purchasing a Rhodes from General Boast says anything negative about his or her boat, we take it away from them. The practical translation of this is that if you are not completely comfortable with your purchase we will return your deposit and take the boat back without prejudice. > > Not affecting any of the above, I have two curiosity questions: I thought we sent you 'Tips on Rigging and Sailing Your Rhodes 22', or am I mistaken. > The other, weren't there any features that surprised and pleased you on this boat. > > stan > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 08:25:03 -0400 From: Ric Stott To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: <96C91C88-BC23-41FF-8ABB-87436F5EEE69 at stottarchitecture.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 It?s not a design flaw, it?s a system you have to learn how to operate. I have shroud covers and turnbuckle covers on all the shrouds. The covers roll and help the big genny through the fore-triangle. I single-hand all the time and usually get the job to tack without complaints. My first few seasons with the Rhodes brought me to the conclusion that a 130% jib would be the answer - - - But - that big genny is often all the sail needed and since I have a continental rig, if I?m not sailing to weather, I can just roll out the Genoa. I have also found that unlike using both dials, the Rhodes will not be overpowered and on its ear with only one of the two sails up, even in winds up to 20 kts. My ideal would be a new CDI furler that would allow for sail changes, then choose a 130, the big guy or a Code Zero - according to wind conditions and sail plan. Ric sv Dadventure Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 26, 2020, at 5:36 PM, Matt Berman wrote: > > ?I'll give backfilling a try next time. > > I'm also seeing older posts now that talk about partially furling before each tack, which seems like a pain, and also adding adding a tricing line and/or shroud and turnbuckle covers to make them more slippy. There was also some argument about the relative virtues/disadvantages of cow hitch vs. clove hitch where the sheets attach to the genoa. I guess this has been an ongoing problem. Some posts even suggest that the 170 genoa is a mistake for the Rhodes, which I really hope is wrong. > > Thanks, > > --Matt > > > >> On Sep 26, 2020, at 5:28 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: >> >> I think Robert has it, it took me 3 sails to get the flick down. >> >> I have also furled, tacked, and then unfurled. >> But basically letting it fill up and pulling when the clew is high works. >> Ymmv of course. >> The biggest snag item is on the aft life rail lifeline eye, and the front >> cabin stay. >> >>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 4:13 PM Matt Berman wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for the quick responses. Is this a design flaw? If so, it seems >>> like a pretty serious one. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> --Matt >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 5:11 PM, Weiss, Robert L wrote: >>>> >>>> That?s a common problem with the 170. Try back filling the Jenny then >>> release it so it comes across faster. >>>> >>>> Robert L. Weiss Jr. >>>> Director of Music >>>> First United Methodist Carbondale IL >>>> Professor Emeritus, SIUC >>>> ________________________________ > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 08:26:48 -0400 From: Scott Andrews To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: <4DAA917B-FFA7-4609-AD09-9B4A7F7CBA4A at verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thanks Matt for that archive note on tacking a Rhodes. It makes good sense and is similar to the way we tack Flying Scots on the Delaware. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 27, 2020, at 8:16 AM, Scott Andrews wrote: > > ?I saw an interesting article in Sail magazine titled Choosing the Right Headsail for Your Sailboat. > Scott A. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:01 PM, Shawn Boles wrote: >> >> ?Hi Matt: >> >> You will find there are a lot of ways to sail the Rhodes 22. When I am >> sailing with the 175 full out, usually in light winds because I like to go >> by other folks who are standing still, I backwind the jib and let it come >> across when the time is right (you will find the release point after a >> couple of times) . I also have roller tubes on the the fore and center >> shrouds. >> >> Cheers, >> Shawn >> s/v Sweet Baboo >> >>>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 1:52 PM Matt Berman wrote: >>> >>> Hi, all, >>> >>> I've been sailing for most of my life, but only just got a Rhodes 22 this >>> week. I went for my first sail today, light breeze, and encountered a >>> number of things that are different from other boats I have sailed. Here's >>> the first: >>> >>> Every time I came about, the genoa (170) hung up on everything it could >>> find -- stanchions, lifelines, shrouds. This was not a minor, momentary >>> clip -- it stayed hung up until each time I had to crawl forward and >>> release the genoa by hand, not fun when you're single-handing. >>> >>> I made sure the sheets were all on the outside of everything, and that the >>> sheet on the opposite side was loose and free, and I wasn't standing on it >>> (more about that in another post). I tried jiggling both sides, and sawing >>> both sheets back and forth to try to release it, but no go. >>> >>> Is there some trick or technique you use on a Rhodes to get the genoa to >>> move smoothly from one side to the other during a tack? I didn't even try a >>> jibe. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> --Matt >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 09:49:55 -0400 From: Mitch Mitchell To: Scott Andrews , The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Ha, turns out I've been handling my drink all wrong during tacks! I would like to hear some more specifics of what people use for shroud and turnbuckle covers. Size pvc? Is there anything at the ends to keep it centered. Can they be purchased pre-made? Thanks! On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 8:26 AM Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Thanks Matt for that archive note on tacking a Rhodes. It makes good sense > and is similar to the way we tack Flying Scots on the Delaware. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 27, 2020, at 8:16 AM, Scott Andrews wrote: > > > > ?I saw an interesting article in Sail magazine titled Choosing the Right > Headsail for Your Sailboat. > > Scott A. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:01 PM, Shawn Boles > wrote: > >> > >> ?Hi Matt: > >> > >> You will find there are a lot of ways to sail the Rhodes 22. When I am > >> sailing with the 175 full out, usually in light winds because I like to > go > >> by other folks who are standing still, I backwind the jib and let it > come > >> across when the time is right (you will find the release point after a > >> couple of times) . I also have roller tubes on the the fore and center > >> shrouds. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Shawn > >> s/v Sweet Baboo > >> > >>>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 1:52 PM Matt Berman wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi, all, > >>> > >>> I've been sailing for most of my life, but only just got a Rhodes 22 > this > >>> week. I went for my first sail today, light breeze, and encountered a > >>> number of things that are different from other boats I have sailed. > Here's > >>> the first: > >>> > >>> Every time I came about, the genoa (170) hung up on everything it could > >>> find -- stanchions, lifelines, shrouds. This was not a minor, momentary > >>> clip -- it stayed hung up until each time I had to crawl forward and > >>> release the genoa by hand, not fun when you're single-handing. > >>> > >>> I made sure the sheets were all on the outside of everything, and that > the > >>> sheet on the opposite side was loose and free, and I wasn't standing > on it > >>> (more about that in another post). I tried jiggling both sides, and > sawing > >>> both sheets back and forth to try to release it, but no go. > >>> > >>> Is there some trick or technique you use on a Rhodes to get the genoa > to > >>> move smoothly from one side to the other during a tack? I didn't even > try a > >>> jibe. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> --Matt > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 11:20:33 -0400 From: Peter Nyberg To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie questions Message-ID: <217A45F8-0D12-42E9-A76C-2FC4F0B8FBF3 at sunnybeeches.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Matt, No one is authorized to speak for the List as a whole, but, however much you may have annoyed Stan, let me assure you that you have violated no List rules or norms of behavior. As such, you remain a member in good standing, are are free to submit questions to the List. To be clear, the List is totally independent from General Boats. It?s not a ?support forum? in the usual use of the term. It is merely a collection of people who own a Rhodes 22, used to own a Rhodes 22, or are thinking about buying a Rhodes 22. So, once again, as one member to another, I say welcome aboard. Out of curiosity, where do you sail? Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On Sep 27, 2020, at 8:24 AM, Matt Berman wrote: > > Dear Stan, > > I am so sorry to have given you offense -- I can assure you that was not my intention. > > I think maybe I misunderstood how things work in Rhodes World. When the Gabriels sent me the link to this list and, based on my interactions with many other companies that make many other items that I have bought that have support forums for questions, I assumed that you wouldn't want hundreds of owners bothering you with questions and that the list was the support forum where I should post my questions. I didn't mean to bypass you, I thought that's how it was done. If that's not how you prefer it, I apologize, and will in future direct my questions to you privately. > > For the rest of your questions, I will take those to a private email to you. > > My sincere apologies, > > --Matt > > > >> On Sep 27, 2020, at 7:45 AM, stan wrote: >> >> >> Matt, >> >> We were anxiously awaiting your take on the Certified category Rhodes recently delivered to you since we put so much more into your boat than is normally done for a purchase in this class. Not a peep. Instead we have been bypassed with 15 reports to the List numbered 1. and 2. so far, seemingly suggesting more to follow; neither with a word of satisfaction, only your annoying issues. >> >> The List is a treasure and the right place to go for private purchases of used Rhodes where we do not know the condition of the boat or alterations made, by prior owners. In contrast, a direct purchase from General Boats where we know that boat first hand and the List does not, GB becomes the more logical source for addressing initial questions. >> >> Mentioning two of GB's policies is appropriate here: >> One is that you made your purchase appreciating that you could take advantage of GB's two year window to turn the boat in for a recycled category Rhodes where the original boat's price is applied to the new recycled Rhodes. >> The other you may not be tuned into is our quip that if anyone purchasing a Rhodes from General Boast says anything negative about his or her boat, we take it away from them. The practical translation of this is that if you are not completely comfortable with your purchase we will return your deposit and take the boat back without prejudice. >> >> Not affecting any of the above, I have two curiosity questions: I thought we sent you 'Tips on Rigging and Sailing Your Rhodes 22', or am I mistaken. >> The other, weren't there any features that surprised and pleased you on this boat. >> >> stan >> > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 12:11:35 -0400 From: Matt Berman To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie questions Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I'm on Lake Norman in NC. Thanks for the welcome! --Matt s/v Pantalaimon > On Sep 27, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > Matt, > > No one is authorized to speak for the List as a whole, but, however much you may have annoyed Stan, let me assure you that you have violated no List rules or norms of behavior. As such, you remain a member in good standing, are are free to submit questions to the List. > > To be clear, the List is totally independent from General Boats. It?s not a ?support forum? in the usual use of the term. It is merely a collection of people who own a Rhodes 22, used to own a Rhodes 22, or are thinking about buying a Rhodes 22. > > So, once again, as one member to another, I say welcome aboard. > > Out of curiosity, where do you sail? > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > >> On Sep 27, 2020, at 8:24 AM, Matt Berman wrote: >> >> Dear Stan, >> >> I am so sorry to have given you offense -- I can assure you that was not my intention. >> >> I think maybe I misunderstood how things work in Rhodes World. When the Gabriels sent me the link to this list and, based on my interactions with many other companies that make many other items that I have bought that have support forums for questions, I assumed that you wouldn't want hundreds of owners bothering you with questions and that the list was the support forum where I should post my questions. I didn't mean to bypass you, I thought that's how it was done. If that's not how you prefer it, I apologize, and will in future direct my questions to you privately. >> >> For the rest of your questions, I will take those to a private email to you. >> >> My sincere apologies, >> >> --Matt >> >> >> >>> On Sep 27, 2020, at 7:45 AM, stan wrote: >>> >>> >>> Matt, >>> >>> We were anxiously awaiting your take on the Certified category Rhodes recently delivered to you since we put so much more into your boat than is normally done for a purchase in this class. Not a peep. Instead we have been bypassed with 15 reports to the List numbered 1. and 2. so far, seemingly suggesting more to follow; neither with a word of satisfaction, only your annoying issues. >>> >>> The List is a treasure and the right place to go for private purchases of used Rhodes where we do not know the condition of the boat or alterations made, by prior owners. In contrast, a direct purchase from General Boats where we know that boat first hand and the List does not, GB becomes the more logical source for addressing initial questions. >>> >>> Mentioning two of GB's policies is appropriate here: >>> One is that you made your purchase appreciating that you could take advantage of GB's two year window to turn the boat in for a recycled category Rhodes where the original boat's price is applied to the new recycled Rhodes. >>> The other you may not be tuned into is our quip that if anyone purchasing a Rhodes from General Boast says anything negative about his or her boat, we take it away from them. The practical translation of this is that if you are not completely comfortable with your purchase we will return your deposit and take the boat back without prejudice. >>> >>> Not affecting any of the above, I have two curiosity questions: I thought we sent you 'Tips on Rigging and Sailing Your Rhodes 22', or am I mistaken. >>> The other, weren't there any features that surprised and pleased you on this boat. >>> >>> stan >>> >> > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 12:24:44 -0400 From: Frank Goldsmith To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie questions Message-ID: <38895D22-2DAF-493E-9BE5-F134F2A1584E at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi, Matt, Let me add my welcome as a fellow North Carolinian (living in the Asheville area). I sail on Lake Keowee, SC. I think the archival advice on how to tack a Rhodes with the large headsail is exactly right. I just let it backfill to help bring the bow around before pulling in the leeward jib sheet. I do have the PVC-type shroud/turnbuckle roller tubes; I forgot to put them on the last time I raised the mast, but it works o.k. without them. (I don?t have lifelines on my boat.) Next time I take down the mast I?ll probably put them back on. Frank Frank Goldsmith Fairview, NC S/V ?Mary Bess? Lake Keowee, SC > On Sep 27, 2020, at 12:11 PM, Matt Berman wrote: > > I'm on Lake Norman in NC. Thanks for the welcome! > > > --Matt > s/v Pantalaimon > > >> On Sep 27, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Peter Nyberg wrote: >> >> Matt, >> >> No one is authorized to speak for the List as a whole, but, however much you may have annoyed Stan, let me assure you that you have violated no List rules or norms of behavior. As such, you remain a member in good standing, are are free to submit questions to the List. >> >> To be clear, the List is totally independent from General Boats. It?s not a ?support forum? in the usual use of the term. It is merely a collection of people who own a Rhodes 22, used to own a Rhodes 22, or are thinking about buying a Rhodes 22. >> >> So, once again, as one member to another, I say welcome aboard. >> >> Out of curiosity, where do you sail? >> >> Peter Nyberg >> Coventry, CT >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) >> >>> On Sep 27, 2020, at 8:24 AM, Matt Berman wrote: >>> >>> Dear Stan, >>> >>> I am so sorry to have given you offense -- I can assure you that was not my intention. >>> >>> I think maybe I misunderstood how things work in Rhodes World. When the Gabriels sent me the link to this list and, based on my interactions with many other companies that make many other items that I have bought that have support forums for questions, I assumed that you wouldn't want hundreds of owners bothering you with questions and that the list was the support forum where I should post my questions. I didn't mean to bypass you, I thought that's how it was done. If that's not how you prefer it, I apologize, and will in future direct my questions to you privately. >>> >>> For the rest of your questions, I will take those to a private email to you. >>> >>> My sincere apologies, >>> >>> --Matt >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Sep 27, 2020, at 7:45 AM, stan wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Matt, >>>> >>>> We were anxiously awaiting your take on the Certified category Rhodes recently delivered to you since we put so much more into your boat than is normally done for a purchase in this class. Not a peep. Instead we have been bypassed with 15 reports to the List numbered 1. and 2. so far, seemingly suggesting more to follow; neither with a word of satisfaction, only your annoying issues. >>>> >>>> The List is a treasure and the right place to go for private purchases of used Rhodes where we do not know the condition of the boat or alterations made, by prior owners. In contrast, a direct purchase from General Boats where we know that boat first hand and the List does not, GB becomes the more logical source for addressing initial questions. >>>> >>>> Mentioning two of GB's policies is appropriate here: >>>> One is that you made your purchase appreciating that you could take advantage of GB's two year window to turn the boat in for a recycled category Rhodes where the original boat's price is applied to the new recycled Rhodes. >>>> The other you may not be tuned into is our quip that if anyone purchasing a Rhodes from General Boast says anything negative about his or her boat, we take it away from them. The practical translation of this is that if you are not completely comfortable with your purchase we will return your deposit and take the boat back without prejudice. >>>> >>>> Not affecting any of the above, I have two curiosity questions: I thought we sent you 'Tips on Rigging and Sailing Your Rhodes 22', or am I mistaken. >>>> The other, weren't there any features that surprised and pleased you on this boat. >>>> >>>> stan >>>> >>> >> > ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 13:39:14 -0700 (MST) From: S/V Lark To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 2 Message-ID: <1601239154801-0.post at n5.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What lines are you struggling. This is what works for me, mostly alone. My main sheet length is adequate with the boom in the upper position running downwind. The excess is coiled and tied to the pushpit with the boom in the lower position beating. I find myself adjusting if I adjust boom height. Sufficient main to run leaves a few feet clumped over the lazarette hatch beating, but not enough to feel dangerous. I generally keep it laying on my knee for a quick release, while in the captain's chair. The lazy jib sheet is in the coaming compartment. The other is cross cleated, and also extends to my knee or in my hand. If the tack is long I tuck the excess in the coaming compartment. On long Lake Erie tacks I found myself not bothering to cross cleat. The boom lift is cleated, coiled and tucked around itself hanging off the side of the cabin. The jib furling line does the same thing on the opposite side. The outhaul and inhaul have cleats on the boom. My motor mount has the block and tackle system, that line is also coiled and looped over itself on the pushpit. Regarding the jib post, I find a smaller jib is versatile and adequate. I never tried the 170 but downsized from a custom jib (est 150%) the PO used to Stan's 140% size when wear forced replacement. I tend to canoe or single hand a 2 man dinghy when the wind is extremely light, so I don't miss the extra sail area. Convenience is one of this boat's superpowers. In good (10 knot steady) wind you can drop the motor and start it on your final sailing approach to the marina inlet. Uncleat the jib furling line. Disconnect excess outhaul from the horn cleats and let it hang from the boom. If on a starboard tack, do a penalty turn. Head up, let the backfilled jib will pull the bow around smartly, tack as normal. As the main reaches the starboard side upwind release the outhaul from the boom end cleat and furl the main. The rudder remains hard over and the boat continues to fall off. Use momentum and the jib to finish the circle. Furl the jib. Put the motor in gear. The Rhodes can have everything neatly furled by the time the turn is complete and never lose its place in line for a busy marina. Somebody needs to video themselves from a chase boat for Stan's website. ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 16:12:32 -0500 From: Tom Van Heule To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 2 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Sounds like you're the star of this video. Where are you? I might be down for chasing you with a camera. On Sun, Sep 27, 2020, 3:39 PM S/V Lark wrote: > What lines are you struggling. This is what works for me, mostly alone. > > My main sheet length is adequate with the boom in the upper position > running > downwind. The excess is coiled and tied to the pushpit with the boom in > the lower position beating. I find myself adjusting if I adjust boom > height. Sufficient main to run leaves a few feet clumped over the > lazarette hatch beating, but not enough to feel dangerous. I generally > keep it laying on my knee for a quick release, while in the captain's > chair. > > The lazy jib sheet is in the coaming compartment. The other is cross > cleated, and also extends to my knee or in my hand. If the tack is long > I > tuck the excess in the coaming compartment. On long Lake Erie tacks I > found myself not bothering to cross cleat. > > The boom lift is cleated, coiled and tucked around itself hanging off the > side of the cabin. > > The jib furling line does the same thing on the opposite side. > > The outhaul and inhaul have cleats on the boom. > > My motor mount has the block and tackle system, that line is also coiled > and > looped over itself on the pushpit. > > Regarding the jib post, I find a smaller jib is versatile and adequate. I > never tried the 170 but downsized from a custom jib (est 150%) the PO used > to Stan's 140% size when wear forced replacement. I tend to canoe or > single hand a 2 man dinghy when the wind is extremely light, so I don't > miss > the extra sail area. > > > Convenience is one of this boat's superpowers. In good (10 knot steady) > wind you can drop the motor and start it on your final sailing approach to > the marina inlet. Uncleat the jib furling line. Disconnect excess > outhaul from the horn cleats and let it hang from the boom. If on a > starboard tack, do a penalty turn. Head up, let the backfilled jib will > pull the bow around smartly, tack as normal. As the main reaches the > starboard side upwind release the outhaul from the boom end cleat and furl > the main. The rudder remains hard over and the boat continues to fall > off. > Use momentum and the jib to finish the circle. Furl the jib. Put the > motor in gear. The Rhodes can have everything neatly furled by the time > the turn is complete and never lose its place in line for a busy marina. > Somebody needs to video themselves from a chase boat for Stan's website. > > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 18:17:20 -0400 From: Matt Berman To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 2 Message-ID: <27CB6387-4970-4AE0-8433-549135DC816C at mattmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks so much -- very helpful. And yes, a video would be great. --Matt > On Sep 27, 2020, at 4:39 PM, S/V Lark wrote: > > What lines are you struggling. This is what works for me, mostly alone. > > My main sheet length is adequate with the boom in the upper position running > downwind. The excess is coiled and tied to the pushpit with the boom in > the lower position beating. I find myself adjusting if I adjust boom > height. Sufficient main to run leaves a few feet clumped over the > lazarette hatch beating, but not enough to feel dangerous. I generally > keep it laying on my knee for a quick release, while in the captain's chair. > > The lazy jib sheet is in the coaming compartment. The other is cross > cleated, and also extends to my knee or in my hand. If the tack is long I > tuck the excess in the coaming compartment. On long Lake Erie tacks I > found myself not bothering to cross cleat. > > The boom lift is cleated, coiled and tucked around itself hanging off the > side of the cabin. > > The jib furling line does the same thing on the opposite side. > > The outhaul and inhaul have cleats on the boom. > > My motor mount has the block and tackle system, that line is also coiled and > looped over itself on the pushpit. > > Regarding the jib post, I find a smaller jib is versatile and adequate. I > never tried the 170 but downsized from a custom jib (est 150%) the PO used > to Stan's 140% size when wear forced replacement. I tend to canoe or > single hand a 2 man dinghy when the wind is extremely light, so I don't miss > the extra sail area. > > > Convenience is one of this boat's superpowers. In good (10 knot steady) > wind you can drop the motor and start it on your final sailing approach to > the marina inlet. Uncleat the jib furling line. Disconnect excess > outhaul from the horn cleats and let it hang from the boom. If on a > starboard tack, do a penalty turn. Head up, let the backfilled jib will > pull the bow around smartly, tack as normal. As the main reaches the > starboard side upwind release the outhaul from the boom end cleat and furl > the main. The rudder remains hard over and the boat continues to fall off. > Use momentum and the jib to finish the circle. Furl the jib. Put the > motor in gear. The Rhodes can have everything neatly furled by the time > the turn is complete and never lose its place in line for a busy marina. > Somebody needs to video themselves from a chase boat for Stan's website. > > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 20:22:57 -0700 (MST) From: Gmorganflier To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: <1601263377512-0.post at n5.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Welcome to the list Matt, I?m a very novice sailer and the Rhodes 22 is my first sailboat. I?ve been out on her maybe 9 or 10 times. I have gotten better at getting the big genny to switch sides if the winds are at least around 3-4 mph. Less then that, I still have trouble unless I furl the sail in a bit. I?ve experimented with different shroud guards and my latest rendition uses pvc...not schedule 40, but whatever the thinner version is. I use 1? diameter for the outer tube, 3/4? for the inner tube, a 3/4? cap and 1/4? pex up the shroud from there for maybe 5?. I drill a hole in the cap big enough to get the 1/4 pex through. To thread the shroud through the 1/4? pex and pvc cap you need to take the turnbuckle off so your only working with the shroud wire and it?s threaded end. The 3/4? cap is almost the same diameter as the 1? pvc, but there is some slop with the 3/4? pvc moving around inside the 1? pvc. The remedy this I used 9 wraps of electrical tape to center the 3/4? inside the 1? and then I used sail tape around the joint between the cap and the 1? pvc. The photo I?m attaching is a screen shot from a video I made this morning. George Morgan S/V Knotty Lady 1986/2005 -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 20:54:37 -0700 (MST) From: S/V Lark To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 2 Message-ID: <1601265277790-0.post at n5.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 My home port is Clarence J Brown reservoir by Springfield, What I described is just a combination of everything you normally do. Planning ahead let?s you do it faster. I?m in the habit of sailing as close to the inlet as I could before a dying evening wind gets frustrating, to maximize sailboat time before going back to real life. Mistrust of my outboard encouraged me to start it up early ?just in case?. As I repeated in heavier winds I got faster, a way to catch up with guys busy flaking sails while I enjoyed a sunset lap. I realized how cool it was at the inlet of Sandusky Sailing Club. I wasn?t sure of my location. I slipped between a nice big Hunter and another boat, both motoring towards one of the multiple marinas, and sailed in line with them until I could read the little sign. A buoy marks a rock just downwind of the entrance. A Colgate with a student driver careened around in beginner agony where I might tack and furl. I wasn?t sure where he was going to go next, so I stayed in line and prepped the boat for a quick 360. I realized how fast it looks when I saw the Hunter, still a couple hundred yards behind me, start to twitch his bow just as I completed my turn and dropped the motor in gear. He didn?t realize what was happening until it was over. Watching the out of control Colgate likely made him a bit jumpy. Since the wind was great and upwind is brisk compared to downwind, I only lost a handful of boat lengths and remained well clear of other traffic. ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 06:51:35 -0400 From: Matt Berman To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Wow -- that looks amazing. Thanks for the welcome, info, and pics. --Matt > On Sep 27, 2020, at 11:22 PM, Gmorganflier wrote: > > Welcome to the list Matt, > > I?m a very novice sailer and the Rhodes 22 is my first sailboat. I?ve been > out on her maybe 9 or 10 times. I have gotten better at getting the big > genny to switch sides if the winds are at least around 3-4 mph. Less then > that, I still have trouble unless I furl the sail in a bit. > > I?ve experimented with different shroud guards and my latest rendition uses > pvc...not schedule 40, but whatever the thinner version is. I use 1? > diameter for the outer tube, 3/4? for the inner tube, a 3/4? cap and 1/4? > pex up the shroud from there for maybe 5?. I drill a hole in the cap big > enough to get the 1/4 pex through. To thread the shroud through the 1/4? pex > and pvc cap you need to take the turnbuckle off so your only working with > the shroud wire and it?s threaded end. > > The 3/4? cap is almost the same diameter as the 1? pvc, but there is some > slop with the 3/4? pvc moving around inside the 1? pvc. The remedy this I > used 9 wraps of electrical tape to center the 3/4? inside the 1? and then I > used sail tape around the joint between the cap and the 1? pvc. > > The photo I?m attaching is a screen shot from a video I made this morning. > > George Morgan > S/V Knotty Lady 1986/2005 > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 07:54:36 -0700 (MST) From: Joe Dempsey To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] JIB Furling Line Message-ID: <1601304876298-0.post at n5.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Peter, Sounds like what you say confirms the CDI needs 5/32" or 3/16". However, I read a good suggestion (I'll try to find the link and send it) to de-core a 1/4" or 3/16" line for the first ??# of feet to wrap on the drum will allow the remainder to coil up. This gives you a larger line for a better grip. I really do dislike the small furler lines. ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 08:22:12 -0700 (MST) From: Joe Dempsey To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: <1601306532478-0.post at n5.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Matt, I, too, am an experienced sailor and found many idiosyncrasies with the Rhodes. "Respite" has the 175 jenny and i had difficulty tacking in light air. I added longer PVC shroud rollers (it came with 12"-18" rollers) I had mahogany rollers on a previous boat so being a traditionalist, I stained the PVC. See photo attached. One thing, especially in light air, try to wait for a lift to build up your speed and get the helm over hard and fast, if not you're going to be in irons before the jenny gets over. Hope this helps. ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 11:27:48 -0400 From: Matt Berman To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: <013E0C7E-2CB1-42F5-A449-89CE00BE0E64 at mattmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks. I tried it yesterday, after adding pvc pipe over the shrouds, with backfilling the genoa until after going through the wind, and it seemed to work pretty well. I also only had the genoa unfurled to about 130 or so. Weather said the wind was 6 knots, but it seemed a bit lighter than that. Thanks, --Matt > On Sep 28, 2020, at 11:22 AM, Joe Dempsey wrote: > > Matt, > I, too, am an experienced sailor and found many idiosyncrasies with the > Rhodes. "Respite" has the 175 jenny and i had difficulty tacking in light > air. I added longer PVC shroud rollers (it came with 12"-18" rollers) I had > mahogany rollers on a previous boat so being a traditionalist, I stained the > PVC. See photo attached. One thing, especially in light air, try to wait > for a lift to build up your speed and get the helm over hard and fast, if > not you're going to be in irons before the jenny gets over. Hope this > helps. > > > > > > > > ----- > Joe Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Deltaville,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 11:28:52 -0400 From: Mary Lou Troy To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: <89157f14-66ac-82ec-5962-95fd1ca6ff63 at atlanticbb.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed For any of you folks covering your shrouds or stays, remember to check frequently for corrosion as the covers can trap moisture. It's particularly an issue if the moisture you are trapping is salt water or damp salt air. When we had our boat, we used the vinyl turnbuckle covers but not the shroud covers for that reason. The turnbuckle covers were open at the bottom but we did have an issue with the sheet getting caught between the part of the turnbuckle that holds the clevis pin and the toe rail. A few wraps of rigging tape eliminated that and we did remove that at the end of the season. Mary Lou ex Rhodes 22 now Rosborough RF-246? Tara On 9/27/2020 11:22 PM, Gmorganflier wrote: > Welcome to the list Matt, > > I?m a very novice sailer and the Rhodes 22 is my first sailboat. I?ve been > out on her maybe 9 or 10 times. I have gotten better at getting the big > genny to switch sides if the winds are at least around 3-4 mph. Less then > that, I still have trouble unless I furl the sail in a bit. > > I?ve experimented with different shroud guards and my latest rendition uses > pvc...not schedule 40, but whatever the thinner version is. I use 1? > diameter for the outer tube, 3/4? for the inner tube, a 3/4? cap and 1/4? > pex up the shroud from there for maybe 5?. I drill a hole in the cap big > enough to get the 1/4 pex through. To thread the shroud through the 1/4? pex > and pvc cap you need to take the turnbuckle off so your only working with > the shroud wire and it?s threaded end. > > The 3/4? cap is almost the same diameter as the 1? pvc, but there is some > slop with the 3/4? pvc moving around inside the 1? pvc. The remedy this I > used 9 wraps of electrical tape to center the 3/4? inside the 1? and then I > used sail tape around the joint between the cap and the 1? pvc. > > The photo I?m attaching is a screen shot from a video I made this morning. > > George Morgan > S/V Knotty Lady 1986/2005 > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 08:55:31 -0700 (MST) From: NewIn76 To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler technical aspects Message-ID: <1601308531699-0.post at n5.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii All, The Rhodes 22 is the first boat I've owned with an end-boom traveler. What makes this arrangement any better than either the triangle mainsheet rigging on a Com-Pac 23 or the smaller traveler system found on early Catalina 22s? I'm not arguing against Stan or GBI conventional wisdom, I'm just trying to figure it out how the traveler adds to my experience. Why ask now? I have to rebuild my traveler system. ----- Brian 1976 Rhodes 22 Cleveland -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 12:58:53 -0400 From: Rick Lange To: NewIn76 , The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler technical aspects Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Brian, Do you have the IMF? If so, it provides perfect adjustment of the mainsail along with an obstruction free cockpit and companionway. Regards, Rick Lange On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:55 AM NewIn76 via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > All, > The Rhodes 22 is the first boat I've owned with an end-boom traveler. What > makes this arrangement any better than either the triangle mainsheet > rigging > on a Com-Pac 23 or the smaller traveler system found on early Catalina > 22s? > I'm not arguing against Stan or GBI conventional wisdom, I'm just trying to > figure it out how the traveler adds to my experience. > > Why ask now? I have to rebuild my traveler system. > > > > ----- > Brian > 1976 Rhodes 22 > Cleveland > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 10:11:04 -0700 (MST) From: NewIn76 To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler technical aspects Message-ID: <1601313064136-0.post at n5.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have a pre-IMF main. My traveler is mounted to an interesting aluminum bracket. I'm all for the unobstructed cockpit. I think I have a Frankenstein setup and basically need to re-do it. I'm just trying to get an idea of why I need a traveler. ----- Brian 1976 Rhodes 22 Cleveland -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 17:30:23 +0000 From: "Lowe, Rob" To: NewIn76 , The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler technical aspects Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Brain, Now that's an interesting set up. Can't say we've seen one like this before. I had a 76, let me see if I can find some pictures of the traveler. - rob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of NewIn76 via Rhodes22-list Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 1:11 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler technical aspects I have a pre-IMF main. My traveler is mounted to an interesting aluminum bracket. I'm all for the unobstructed cockpit. I think I have a Frankenstein setup and basically need to re-do it. I'm just trying to get an idea of why I need a traveler. ----- Brian 1976 Rhodes 22 Cleveland -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Rhodes22-list mailing list Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list ------------------------------ End of Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4262, Issue 1 ********************************************** From rlowe at vt.edu Thu Oct 1 15:37:10 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 19:37:10 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4262, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tommy, Thanks for clarifying. We were wondering how you lost your boat and trailer. Your DMV should have a process where you can request replacements. - Rob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Tommy Thompson Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2020 3:16 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4262, Issue 1 What an Idiot I am, I missed out the most important item. It's the titles I am missing... Tommy -----Original Message----- From: Tommy Thompson Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2020 12:04 PM To: 'rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org' Subject: RE: Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4262, Issue 1 HI Everyone, For the life of me, I can't find my boat/trailer. Does the home office/facility keep copies? Tommy -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 10:30 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4262, Issue 1 Send Rhodes22-list mailing list submissions to rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org You can reach the person managing the list at rhodes22-list-owner at rhodes22.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Rhodes22-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Newbie question 2 (Matt Berman) 2. Re: Newbie question 2 (Tom Van Heule) 3. Re: Newbie question 1 (stan) 4. Re: Newbie question 1 (Scott Andrews) 5. Re: Newbie question 1 (Matt Berman) 6. Re: Newbie question 1 (Ric Stott) 7. Re: Newbie question 1 (Scott Andrews) 8. Re: Newbie question 1 (Mitch Mitchell) 9. Re: Newbie questions (Peter Nyberg) 10. Re: Newbie questions (Matt Berman) 11. Re: Newbie questions (Frank Goldsmith) 12. Re: Newbie question 2 (S/V Lark) 13. Re: Newbie question 2 (Tom Van Heule) 14. Re: Newbie question 2 (Matt Berman) 15. Re: Newbie question 1 (Gmorganflier) 16. Re: Newbie question 2 (S/V Lark) 17. Re: Newbie question 1 (Matt Berman) 18. Re: JIB Furling Line (Joe Dempsey) 19. Re: Newbie question 1 (Joe Dempsey) 20. Re: Newbie question 1 (Matt Berman) 21. Re: Newbie question 1 (Mary Lou Troy) 22. Traveler technical aspects (NewIn76) 23. Re: Traveler technical aspects (Rick Lange) 24. Re: Traveler technical aspects (NewIn76) 25. Re: Traveler technical aspects (Lowe, Rob) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 20:47:31 -0400 From: Matt Berman To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 2 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Where do you stow them? The only storage on my '86 cockpit is the lazerette. Or do you just stick them under the seats? Thanks, --Matt s/v Pantalaimon > On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: > > Peter has done some rigging work. Silverheels on youtube. > > I just made habit of preparing and stowing lines after each tack. This is > my first sailboat in 25 years. > > On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 5:16 PM Matt Berman wrote: > >> So, here's the second issue I ran into on my first sail. The Rhodes has a >> LOT more rope in the cockpit than I remember on other boats I have sailed. >> My last boat, an S2, was awhile ago, but I don't remember constantly >> sitting/standing on the lines or getting them tangled up. Part of it may be >> because, without the captain's chairs, I have to stand to see over the >> cabin, but, even so ... >> >> Do any of you have a line-management system that works well while sailing >> the Rhodes? >> >> Thanks, >> >> --Matt >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 20:04:47 -0500 From: Tom Van Heule To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 2 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Matt. There are some storage just below the winches for the jib sheets. The furling line is looped up on starboard bench. Traveller sheet does spool on the laz, but no one can sit there with the tiller... And we have the captain. Seats. Only when I heel do I touch the traveller. Else all is well, and easy. #1 rule I have found with my R22 is that if it is hard; I am doing something wrong. And we always have a moment where we realize what's up and then things are very easy again. Hth, Tom On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 7:47 PM Matt Berman wrote: > Where do you stow them? The only storage on my '86 cockpit is the > lazerette. Or do you just stick them under the seats? > > Thanks, > > --Matt > s/v Pantalaimon > > > > On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > > Peter has done some rigging work. Silverheels on youtube. > > > > I just made habit of preparing and stowing lines after each tack. This > is > > my first sailboat in 25 years. > > > > On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 5:16 PM Matt Berman wrote: > > > >> So, here's the second issue I ran into on my first sail. The Rhodes has > a > >> LOT more rope in the cockpit than I remember on other boats I have > sailed. > >> My last boat, an S2, was awhile ago, but I don't remember constantly > >> sitting/standing on the lines or getting them tangled up. Part of it > may be > >> because, without the captain's chairs, I have to stand to see over the > >> cabin, but, even so ... > >> > >> Do any of you have a line-management system that works well while > sailing > >> the Rhodes? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> --Matt > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 07:45:10 -0400 From: stan To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: <5cf98e26-ccfa-a4e0-9521-b44876e69ef2 at generalboats.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Matt, We were anxiously awaiting your take on the Certified category Rhodes recently delivered to you since we put so much more into your boat than is normally done for a purchase in this class. Not a peep. Instead we have been bypassed with 15 reports to the List numbered 1. and 2. so far, seemingly suggesting more to follow; neither with a word of satisfaction, only your annoying issues. The List is a treasure and the right place to go for private purchases of used Rhodes where we do not know the condition of the boat or alterations made, by prior owners.? In contrast, a direct purchase from General Boats where we know that boat first hand and the List does not, GB becomes the more logical source for addressing initial questions. Mentioning two of GB's policies is appropriate here: One is that you made your purchase appreciating that you could take advantage of GB's two year window to turn the boat in for a recycled category Rhodes where the original boat's price is applied to the new recycled Rhodes. The other you may not be tuned into is our quip that if anyone purchasing a Rhodes from General Boast says anything negative about his or her boat, we take it away from them. The practical translation of this is that if you are not completely comfortable with your purchase we will return your deposit and take the boat back without prejudice. Not affecting any of the above, I have two curiosity questions:? I thought we sent you 'Tips on Rigging and Sailing Your Rhodes 22', or am I mistaken. The other, weren't there any features that surprised and pleased you on this boat. stan ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 08:15:58 -0400 From: Scott Andrews To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: <1BBF0E60-3157-4246-A6FC-62D26A6C1C36 at verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I saw an interesting article in Sail magazine titled Choosing the Right Headsail for Your Sailboat. Scott A. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:01 PM, Shawn Boles wrote: > > ?Hi Matt: > > You will find there are a lot of ways to sail the Rhodes 22. When I am > sailing with the 175 full out, usually in light winds because I like to go > by other folks who are standing still, I backwind the jib and let it come > across when the time is right (you will find the release point after a > couple of times) . I also have roller tubes on the the fore and center > shrouds. > > Cheers, > Shawn > s/v Sweet Baboo > >> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 1:52 PM Matt Berman wrote: >> >> Hi, all, >> >> I've been sailing for most of my life, but only just got a Rhodes 22 this >> week. I went for my first sail today, light breeze, and encountered a >> number of things that are different from other boats I have sailed. Here's >> the first: >> >> Every time I came about, the genoa (170) hung up on everything it could >> find -- stanchions, lifelines, shrouds. This was not a minor, momentary >> clip -- it stayed hung up until each time I had to crawl forward and >> release the genoa by hand, not fun when you're single-handing. >> >> I made sure the sheets were all on the outside of everything, and that the >> sheet on the opposite side was loose and free, and I wasn't standing on it >> (more about that in another post). I tried jiggling both sides, and sawing >> both sheets back and forth to try to release it, but no go. >> >> Is there some trick or technique you use on a Rhodes to get the genoa to >> move smoothly from one side to the other during a tack? I didn't even try a >> jibe. >> >> Thanks, >> >> --Matt >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 08:24:18 -0400 From: Matt Berman To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: <9CA02EFB-1593-4B37-AECF-DCB442E997FE at mattmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear Stan, I am so sorry to have given you offense -- I can assure you that was not my intention. I think maybe I misunderstood how things work in Rhodes World. When the Gabriels sent me the link to this list and, based on my interactions with many other companies that make many other items that I have bought that have support forums for questions, I assumed that you wouldn't want hundreds of owners bothering you with questions and that the list was the support forum where I should post my questions. I didn't mean to bypass you, I thought that's how it was done. If that's not how you prefer it, I apologize, and will in future direct my questions to you privately. For the rest of your questions, I will take those to a private email to you. My sincere apologies, --Matt > On Sep 27, 2020, at 7:45 AM, stan wrote: > > > Matt, > > We were anxiously awaiting your take on the Certified category Rhodes recently delivered to you since we put so much more into your boat than is normally done for a purchase in this class. Not a peep. Instead we have been bypassed with 15 reports to the List numbered 1. and 2. so far, seemingly suggesting more to follow; neither with a word of satisfaction, only your annoying issues. > > The List is a treasure and the right place to go for private purchases of used Rhodes where we do not know the condition of the boat or alterations made, by prior owners. In contrast, a direct purchase from General Boats where we know that boat first hand and the List does not, GB becomes the more logical source for addressing initial questions. > > Mentioning two of GB's policies is appropriate here: > One is that you made your purchase appreciating that you could take advantage of GB's two year window to turn the boat in for a recycled category Rhodes where the original boat's price is applied to the new recycled Rhodes. > The other you may not be tuned into is our quip that if anyone purchasing a Rhodes from General Boast says anything negative about his or her boat, we take it away from them. The practical translation of this is that if you are not completely comfortable with your purchase we will return your deposit and take the boat back without prejudice. > > Not affecting any of the above, I have two curiosity questions: I thought we sent you 'Tips on Rigging and Sailing Your Rhodes 22', or am I mistaken. > The other, weren't there any features that surprised and pleased you on this boat. > > stan > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 08:25:03 -0400 From: Ric Stott To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: <96C91C88-BC23-41FF-8ABB-87436F5EEE69 at stottarchitecture.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 It?s not a design flaw, it?s a system you have to learn how to operate. I have shroud covers and turnbuckle covers on all the shrouds. The covers roll and help the big genny through the fore-triangle. I single-hand all the time and usually get the job to tack without complaints. My first few seasons with the Rhodes brought me to the conclusion that a 130% jib would be the answer - - - But - that big genny is often all the sail needed and since I have a continental rig, if I?m not sailing to weather, I can just roll out the Genoa. I have also found that unlike using both dials, the Rhodes will not be overpowered and on its ear with only one of the two sails up, even in winds up to 20 kts. My ideal would be a new CDI furler that would allow for sail changes, then choose a 130, the big guy or a Code Zero - according to wind conditions and sail plan. Ric sv Dadventure Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 26, 2020, at 5:36 PM, Matt Berman wrote: > > ?I'll give backfilling a try next time. > > I'm also seeing older posts now that talk about partially furling before each tack, which seems like a pain, and also adding adding a tricing line and/or shroud and turnbuckle covers to make them more slippy. There was also some argument about the relative virtues/disadvantages of cow hitch vs. clove hitch where the sheets attach to the genoa. I guess this has been an ongoing problem. Some posts even suggest that the 170 genoa is a mistake for the Rhodes, which I really hope is wrong. > > Thanks, > > --Matt > > > >> On Sep 26, 2020, at 5:28 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: >> >> I think Robert has it, it took me 3 sails to get the flick down. >> >> I have also furled, tacked, and then unfurled. >> But basically letting it fill up and pulling when the clew is high works. >> Ymmv of course. >> The biggest snag item is on the aft life rail lifeline eye, and the front >> cabin stay. >> >>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 4:13 PM Matt Berman wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for the quick responses. Is this a design flaw? If so, it seems >>> like a pretty serious one. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> --Matt >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 5:11 PM, Weiss, Robert L wrote: >>>> >>>> That?s a common problem with the 170. Try back filling the Jenny then >>> release it so it comes across faster. >>>> >>>> Robert L. Weiss Jr. >>>> Director of Music >>>> First United Methodist Carbondale IL >>>> Professor Emeritus, SIUC >>>> ________________________________ > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 08:26:48 -0400 From: Scott Andrews To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: <4DAA917B-FFA7-4609-AD09-9B4A7F7CBA4A at verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thanks Matt for that archive note on tacking a Rhodes. It makes good sense and is similar to the way we tack Flying Scots on the Delaware. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 27, 2020, at 8:16 AM, Scott Andrews wrote: > > ?I saw an interesting article in Sail magazine titled Choosing the Right Headsail for Your Sailboat. > Scott A. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:01 PM, Shawn Boles wrote: >> >> ?Hi Matt: >> >> You will find there are a lot of ways to sail the Rhodes 22. When I am >> sailing with the 175 full out, usually in light winds because I like to go >> by other folks who are standing still, I backwind the jib and let it come >> across when the time is right (you will find the release point after a >> couple of times) . I also have roller tubes on the the fore and center >> shrouds. >> >> Cheers, >> Shawn >> s/v Sweet Baboo >> >>>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 1:52 PM Matt Berman wrote: >>> >>> Hi, all, >>> >>> I've been sailing for most of my life, but only just got a Rhodes 22 this >>> week. I went for my first sail today, light breeze, and encountered a >>> number of things that are different from other boats I have sailed. Here's >>> the first: >>> >>> Every time I came about, the genoa (170) hung up on everything it could >>> find -- stanchions, lifelines, shrouds. This was not a minor, momentary >>> clip -- it stayed hung up until each time I had to crawl forward and >>> release the genoa by hand, not fun when you're single-handing. >>> >>> I made sure the sheets were all on the outside of everything, and that the >>> sheet on the opposite side was loose and free, and I wasn't standing on it >>> (more about that in another post). I tried jiggling both sides, and sawing >>> both sheets back and forth to try to release it, but no go. >>> >>> Is there some trick or technique you use on a Rhodes to get the genoa to >>> move smoothly from one side to the other during a tack? I didn't even try a >>> jibe. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> --Matt >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 09:49:55 -0400 From: Mitch Mitchell To: Scott Andrews , The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Ha, turns out I've been handling my drink all wrong during tacks! I would like to hear some more specifics of what people use for shroud and turnbuckle covers. Size pvc? Is there anything at the ends to keep it centered. Can they be purchased pre-made? Thanks! On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 8:26 AM Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Thanks Matt for that archive note on tacking a Rhodes. It makes good sense > and is similar to the way we tack Flying Scots on the Delaware. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 27, 2020, at 8:16 AM, Scott Andrews wrote: > > > > ?I saw an interesting article in Sail magazine titled Choosing the Right > Headsail for Your Sailboat. > > Scott A. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:01 PM, Shawn Boles > wrote: > >> > >> ?Hi Matt: > >> > >> You will find there are a lot of ways to sail the Rhodes 22. When I am > >> sailing with the 175 full out, usually in light winds because I like to > go > >> by other folks who are standing still, I backwind the jib and let it > come > >> across when the time is right (you will find the release point after a > >> couple of times) . I also have roller tubes on the the fore and center > >> shrouds. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Shawn > >> s/v Sweet Baboo > >> > >>>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 1:52 PM Matt Berman wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi, all, > >>> > >>> I've been sailing for most of my life, but only just got a Rhodes 22 > this > >>> week. I went for my first sail today, light breeze, and encountered a > >>> number of things that are different from other boats I have sailed. > Here's > >>> the first: > >>> > >>> Every time I came about, the genoa (170) hung up on everything it could > >>> find -- stanchions, lifelines, shrouds. This was not a minor, momentary > >>> clip -- it stayed hung up until each time I had to crawl forward and > >>> release the genoa by hand, not fun when you're single-handing. > >>> > >>> I made sure the sheets were all on the outside of everything, and that > the > >>> sheet on the opposite side was loose and free, and I wasn't standing > on it > >>> (more about that in another post). I tried jiggling both sides, and > sawing > >>> both sheets back and forth to try to release it, but no go. > >>> > >>> Is there some trick or technique you use on a Rhodes to get the genoa > to > >>> move smoothly from one side to the other during a tack? I didn't even > try a > >>> jibe. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> --Matt > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 11:20:33 -0400 From: Peter Nyberg To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie questions Message-ID: <217A45F8-0D12-42E9-A76C-2FC4F0B8FBF3 at sunnybeeches.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Matt, No one is authorized to speak for the List as a whole, but, however much you may have annoyed Stan, let me assure you that you have violated no List rules or norms of behavior. As such, you remain a member in good standing, are are free to submit questions to the List. To be clear, the List is totally independent from General Boats. It?s not a ?support forum? in the usual use of the term. It is merely a collection of people who own a Rhodes 22, used to own a Rhodes 22, or are thinking about buying a Rhodes 22. So, once again, as one member to another, I say welcome aboard. Out of curiosity, where do you sail? Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On Sep 27, 2020, at 8:24 AM, Matt Berman wrote: > > Dear Stan, > > I am so sorry to have given you offense -- I can assure you that was not my intention. > > I think maybe I misunderstood how things work in Rhodes World. When the Gabriels sent me the link to this list and, based on my interactions with many other companies that make many other items that I have bought that have support forums for questions, I assumed that you wouldn't want hundreds of owners bothering you with questions and that the list was the support forum where I should post my questions. I didn't mean to bypass you, I thought that's how it was done. If that's not how you prefer it, I apologize, and will in future direct my questions to you privately. > > For the rest of your questions, I will take those to a private email to you. > > My sincere apologies, > > --Matt > > > >> On Sep 27, 2020, at 7:45 AM, stan wrote: >> >> >> Matt, >> >> We were anxiously awaiting your take on the Certified category Rhodes recently delivered to you since we put so much more into your boat than is normally done for a purchase in this class. Not a peep. Instead we have been bypassed with 15 reports to the List numbered 1. and 2. so far, seemingly suggesting more to follow; neither with a word of satisfaction, only your annoying issues. >> >> The List is a treasure and the right place to go for private purchases of used Rhodes where we do not know the condition of the boat or alterations made, by prior owners. In contrast, a direct purchase from General Boats where we know that boat first hand and the List does not, GB becomes the more logical source for addressing initial questions. >> >> Mentioning two of GB's policies is appropriate here: >> One is that you made your purchase appreciating that you could take advantage of GB's two year window to turn the boat in for a recycled category Rhodes where the original boat's price is applied to the new recycled Rhodes. >> The other you may not be tuned into is our quip that if anyone purchasing a Rhodes from General Boast says anything negative about his or her boat, we take it away from them. The practical translation of this is that if you are not completely comfortable with your purchase we will return your deposit and take the boat back without prejudice. >> >> Not affecting any of the above, I have two curiosity questions: I thought we sent you 'Tips on Rigging and Sailing Your Rhodes 22', or am I mistaken. >> The other, weren't there any features that surprised and pleased you on this boat. >> >> stan >> > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 12:11:35 -0400 From: Matt Berman To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie questions Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I'm on Lake Norman in NC. Thanks for the welcome! --Matt s/v Pantalaimon > On Sep 27, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > Matt, > > No one is authorized to speak for the List as a whole, but, however much you may have annoyed Stan, let me assure you that you have violated no List rules or norms of behavior. As such, you remain a member in good standing, are are free to submit questions to the List. > > To be clear, the List is totally independent from General Boats. It?s not a ?support forum? in the usual use of the term. It is merely a collection of people who own a Rhodes 22, used to own a Rhodes 22, or are thinking about buying a Rhodes 22. > > So, once again, as one member to another, I say welcome aboard. > > Out of curiosity, where do you sail? > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > >> On Sep 27, 2020, at 8:24 AM, Matt Berman wrote: >> >> Dear Stan, >> >> I am so sorry to have given you offense -- I can assure you that was not my intention. >> >> I think maybe I misunderstood how things work in Rhodes World. When the Gabriels sent me the link to this list and, based on my interactions with many other companies that make many other items that I have bought that have support forums for questions, I assumed that you wouldn't want hundreds of owners bothering you with questions and that the list was the support forum where I should post my questions. I didn't mean to bypass you, I thought that's how it was done. If that's not how you prefer it, I apologize, and will in future direct my questions to you privately. >> >> For the rest of your questions, I will take those to a private email to you. >> >> My sincere apologies, >> >> --Matt >> >> >> >>> On Sep 27, 2020, at 7:45 AM, stan wrote: >>> >>> >>> Matt, >>> >>> We were anxiously awaiting your take on the Certified category Rhodes recently delivered to you since we put so much more into your boat than is normally done for a purchase in this class. Not a peep. Instead we have been bypassed with 15 reports to the List numbered 1. and 2. so far, seemingly suggesting more to follow; neither with a word of satisfaction, only your annoying issues. >>> >>> The List is a treasure and the right place to go for private purchases of used Rhodes where we do not know the condition of the boat or alterations made, by prior owners. In contrast, a direct purchase from General Boats where we know that boat first hand and the List does not, GB becomes the more logical source for addressing initial questions. >>> >>> Mentioning two of GB's policies is appropriate here: >>> One is that you made your purchase appreciating that you could take advantage of GB's two year window to turn the boat in for a recycled category Rhodes where the original boat's price is applied to the new recycled Rhodes. >>> The other you may not be tuned into is our quip that if anyone purchasing a Rhodes from General Boast says anything negative about his or her boat, we take it away from them. The practical translation of this is that if you are not completely comfortable with your purchase we will return your deposit and take the boat back without prejudice. >>> >>> Not affecting any of the above, I have two curiosity questions: I thought we sent you 'Tips on Rigging and Sailing Your Rhodes 22', or am I mistaken. >>> The other, weren't there any features that surprised and pleased you on this boat. >>> >>> stan >>> >> > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 12:24:44 -0400 From: Frank Goldsmith To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie questions Message-ID: <38895D22-2DAF-493E-9BE5-F134F2A1584E at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi, Matt, Let me add my welcome as a fellow North Carolinian (living in the Asheville area). I sail on Lake Keowee, SC. I think the archival advice on how to tack a Rhodes with the large headsail is exactly right. I just let it backfill to help bring the bow around before pulling in the leeward jib sheet. I do have the PVC-type shroud/turnbuckle roller tubes; I forgot to put them on the last time I raised the mast, but it works o.k. without them. (I don?t have lifelines on my boat.) Next time I take down the mast I?ll probably put them back on. Frank Frank Goldsmith Fairview, NC S/V ?Mary Bess? Lake Keowee, SC > On Sep 27, 2020, at 12:11 PM, Matt Berman wrote: > > I'm on Lake Norman in NC. Thanks for the welcome! > > > --Matt > s/v Pantalaimon > > >> On Sep 27, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Peter Nyberg wrote: >> >> Matt, >> >> No one is authorized to speak for the List as a whole, but, however much you may have annoyed Stan, let me assure you that you have violated no List rules or norms of behavior. As such, you remain a member in good standing, are are free to submit questions to the List. >> >> To be clear, the List is totally independent from General Boats. It?s not a ?support forum? in the usual use of the term. It is merely a collection of people who own a Rhodes 22, used to own a Rhodes 22, or are thinking about buying a Rhodes 22. >> >> So, once again, as one member to another, I say welcome aboard. >> >> Out of curiosity, where do you sail? >> >> Peter Nyberg >> Coventry, CT >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) >> >>> On Sep 27, 2020, at 8:24 AM, Matt Berman wrote: >>> >>> Dear Stan, >>> >>> I am so sorry to have given you offense -- I can assure you that was not my intention. >>> >>> I think maybe I misunderstood how things work in Rhodes World. When the Gabriels sent me the link to this list and, based on my interactions with many other companies that make many other items that I have bought that have support forums for questions, I assumed that you wouldn't want hundreds of owners bothering you with questions and that the list was the support forum where I should post my questions. I didn't mean to bypass you, I thought that's how it was done. If that's not how you prefer it, I apologize, and will in future direct my questions to you privately. >>> >>> For the rest of your questions, I will take those to a private email to you. >>> >>> My sincere apologies, >>> >>> --Matt >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Sep 27, 2020, at 7:45 AM, stan wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Matt, >>>> >>>> We were anxiously awaiting your take on the Certified category Rhodes recently delivered to you since we put so much more into your boat than is normally done for a purchase in this class. Not a peep. Instead we have been bypassed with 15 reports to the List numbered 1. and 2. so far, seemingly suggesting more to follow; neither with a word of satisfaction, only your annoying issues. >>>> >>>> The List is a treasure and the right place to go for private purchases of used Rhodes where we do not know the condition of the boat or alterations made, by prior owners. In contrast, a direct purchase from General Boats where we know that boat first hand and the List does not, GB becomes the more logical source for addressing initial questions. >>>> >>>> Mentioning two of GB's policies is appropriate here: >>>> One is that you made your purchase appreciating that you could take advantage of GB's two year window to turn the boat in for a recycled category Rhodes where the original boat's price is applied to the new recycled Rhodes. >>>> The other you may not be tuned into is our quip that if anyone purchasing a Rhodes from General Boast says anything negative about his or her boat, we take it away from them. The practical translation of this is that if you are not completely comfortable with your purchase we will return your deposit and take the boat back without prejudice. >>>> >>>> Not affecting any of the above, I have two curiosity questions: I thought we sent you 'Tips on Rigging and Sailing Your Rhodes 22', or am I mistaken. >>>> The other, weren't there any features that surprised and pleased you on this boat. >>>> >>>> stan >>>> >>> >> > ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 13:39:14 -0700 (MST) From: S/V Lark To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 2 Message-ID: <1601239154801-0.post at n5.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What lines are you struggling. This is what works for me, mostly alone. My main sheet length is adequate with the boom in the upper position running downwind. The excess is coiled and tied to the pushpit with the boom in the lower position beating. I find myself adjusting if I adjust boom height. Sufficient main to run leaves a few feet clumped over the lazarette hatch beating, but not enough to feel dangerous. I generally keep it laying on my knee for a quick release, while in the captain's chair. The lazy jib sheet is in the coaming compartment. The other is cross cleated, and also extends to my knee or in my hand. If the tack is long I tuck the excess in the coaming compartment. On long Lake Erie tacks I found myself not bothering to cross cleat. The boom lift is cleated, coiled and tucked around itself hanging off the side of the cabin. The jib furling line does the same thing on the opposite side. The outhaul and inhaul have cleats on the boom. My motor mount has the block and tackle system, that line is also coiled and looped over itself on the pushpit. Regarding the jib post, I find a smaller jib is versatile and adequate. I never tried the 170 but downsized from a custom jib (est 150%) the PO used to Stan's 140% size when wear forced replacement. I tend to canoe or single hand a 2 man dinghy when the wind is extremely light, so I don't miss the extra sail area. Convenience is one of this boat's superpowers. In good (10 knot steady) wind you can drop the motor and start it on your final sailing approach to the marina inlet. Uncleat the jib furling line. Disconnect excess outhaul from the horn cleats and let it hang from the boom. If on a starboard tack, do a penalty turn. Head up, let the backfilled jib will pull the bow around smartly, tack as normal. As the main reaches the starboard side upwind release the outhaul from the boom end cleat and furl the main. The rudder remains hard over and the boat continues to fall off. Use momentum and the jib to finish the circle. Furl the jib. Put the motor in gear. The Rhodes can have everything neatly furled by the time the turn is complete and never lose its place in line for a busy marina. Somebody needs to video themselves from a chase boat for Stan's website. ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 16:12:32 -0500 From: Tom Van Heule To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 2 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Sounds like you're the star of this video. Where are you? I might be down for chasing you with a camera. On Sun, Sep 27, 2020, 3:39 PM S/V Lark wrote: > What lines are you struggling. This is what works for me, mostly alone. > > My main sheet length is adequate with the boom in the upper position > running > downwind. The excess is coiled and tied to the pushpit with the boom in > the lower position beating. I find myself adjusting if I adjust boom > height. Sufficient main to run leaves a few feet clumped over the > lazarette hatch beating, but not enough to feel dangerous. I generally > keep it laying on my knee for a quick release, while in the captain's > chair. > > The lazy jib sheet is in the coaming compartment. The other is cross > cleated, and also extends to my knee or in my hand. If the tack is long > I > tuck the excess in the coaming compartment. On long Lake Erie tacks I > found myself not bothering to cross cleat. > > The boom lift is cleated, coiled and tucked around itself hanging off the > side of the cabin. > > The jib furling line does the same thing on the opposite side. > > The outhaul and inhaul have cleats on the boom. > > My motor mount has the block and tackle system, that line is also coiled > and > looped over itself on the pushpit. > > Regarding the jib post, I find a smaller jib is versatile and adequate. I > never tried the 170 but downsized from a custom jib (est 150%) the PO used > to Stan's 140% size when wear forced replacement. I tend to canoe or > single hand a 2 man dinghy when the wind is extremely light, so I don't > miss > the extra sail area. > > > Convenience is one of this boat's superpowers. In good (10 knot steady) > wind you can drop the motor and start it on your final sailing approach to > the marina inlet. Uncleat the jib furling line. Disconnect excess > outhaul from the horn cleats and let it hang from the boom. If on a > starboard tack, do a penalty turn. Head up, let the backfilled jib will > pull the bow around smartly, tack as normal. As the main reaches the > starboard side upwind release the outhaul from the boom end cleat and furl > the main. The rudder remains hard over and the boat continues to fall > off. > Use momentum and the jib to finish the circle. Furl the jib. Put the > motor in gear. The Rhodes can have everything neatly furled by the time > the turn is complete and never lose its place in line for a busy marina. > Somebody needs to video themselves from a chase boat for Stan's website. > > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 18:17:20 -0400 From: Matt Berman To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 2 Message-ID: <27CB6387-4970-4AE0-8433-549135DC816C at mattmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks so much -- very helpful. And yes, a video would be great. --Matt > On Sep 27, 2020, at 4:39 PM, S/V Lark wrote: > > What lines are you struggling. This is what works for me, mostly alone. > > My main sheet length is adequate with the boom in the upper position running > downwind. The excess is coiled and tied to the pushpit with the boom in > the lower position beating. I find myself adjusting if I adjust boom > height. Sufficient main to run leaves a few feet clumped over the > lazarette hatch beating, but not enough to feel dangerous. I generally > keep it laying on my knee for a quick release, while in the captain's chair. > > The lazy jib sheet is in the coaming compartment. The other is cross > cleated, and also extends to my knee or in my hand. If the tack is long I > tuck the excess in the coaming compartment. On long Lake Erie tacks I > found myself not bothering to cross cleat. > > The boom lift is cleated, coiled and tucked around itself hanging off the > side of the cabin. > > The jib furling line does the same thing on the opposite side. > > The outhaul and inhaul have cleats on the boom. > > My motor mount has the block and tackle system, that line is also coiled and > looped over itself on the pushpit. > > Regarding the jib post, I find a smaller jib is versatile and adequate. I > never tried the 170 but downsized from a custom jib (est 150%) the PO used > to Stan's 140% size when wear forced replacement. I tend to canoe or > single hand a 2 man dinghy when the wind is extremely light, so I don't miss > the extra sail area. > > > Convenience is one of this boat's superpowers. In good (10 knot steady) > wind you can drop the motor and start it on your final sailing approach to > the marina inlet. Uncleat the jib furling line. Disconnect excess > outhaul from the horn cleats and let it hang from the boom. If on a > starboard tack, do a penalty turn. Head up, let the backfilled jib will > pull the bow around smartly, tack as normal. As the main reaches the > starboard side upwind release the outhaul from the boom end cleat and furl > the main. The rudder remains hard over and the boat continues to fall off. > Use momentum and the jib to finish the circle. Furl the jib. Put the > motor in gear. The Rhodes can have everything neatly furled by the time > the turn is complete and never lose its place in line for a busy marina. > Somebody needs to video themselves from a chase boat for Stan's website. > > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 20:22:57 -0700 (MST) From: Gmorganflier To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: <1601263377512-0.post at n5.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Welcome to the list Matt, I?m a very novice sailer and the Rhodes 22 is my first sailboat. I?ve been out on her maybe 9 or 10 times. I have gotten better at getting the big genny to switch sides if the winds are at least around 3-4 mph. Less then that, I still have trouble unless I furl the sail in a bit. I?ve experimented with different shroud guards and my latest rendition uses pvc...not schedule 40, but whatever the thinner version is. I use 1? diameter for the outer tube, 3/4? for the inner tube, a 3/4? cap and 1/4? pex up the shroud from there for maybe 5?. I drill a hole in the cap big enough to get the 1/4 pex through. To thread the shroud through the 1/4? pex and pvc cap you need to take the turnbuckle off so your only working with the shroud wire and it?s threaded end. The 3/4? cap is almost the same diameter as the 1? pvc, but there is some slop with the 3/4? pvc moving around inside the 1? pvc. The remedy this I used 9 wraps of electrical tape to center the 3/4? inside the 1? and then I used sail tape around the joint between the cap and the 1? pvc. The photo I?m attaching is a screen shot from a video I made this morning. George Morgan S/V Knotty Lady 1986/2005 -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 20:54:37 -0700 (MST) From: S/V Lark To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 2 Message-ID: <1601265277790-0.post at n5.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 My home port is Clarence J Brown reservoir by Springfield, What I described is just a combination of everything you normally do. Planning ahead let?s you do it faster. I?m in the habit of sailing as close to the inlet as I could before a dying evening wind gets frustrating, to maximize sailboat time before going back to real life. Mistrust of my outboard encouraged me to start it up early ?just in case?. As I repeated in heavier winds I got faster, a way to catch up with guys busy flaking sails while I enjoyed a sunset lap. I realized how cool it was at the inlet of Sandusky Sailing Club. I wasn?t sure of my location. I slipped between a nice big Hunter and another boat, both motoring towards one of the multiple marinas, and sailed in line with them until I could read the little sign. A buoy marks a rock just downwind of the entrance. A Colgate with a student driver careened around in beginner agony where I might tack and furl. I wasn?t sure where he was going to go next, so I stayed in line and prepped the boat for a quick 360. I realized how fast it looks when I saw the Hunter, still a couple hundred yards behind me, start to twitch his bow just as I completed my turn and dropped the motor in gear. He didn?t realize what was happening until it was over. Watching the out of control Colgate likely made him a bit jumpy. Since the wind was great and upwind is brisk compared to downwind, I only lost a handful of boat lengths and remained well clear of other traffic. ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 06:51:35 -0400 From: Matt Berman To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Wow -- that looks amazing. Thanks for the welcome, info, and pics. --Matt > On Sep 27, 2020, at 11:22 PM, Gmorganflier wrote: > > Welcome to the list Matt, > > I?m a very novice sailer and the Rhodes 22 is my first sailboat. I?ve been > out on her maybe 9 or 10 times. I have gotten better at getting the big > genny to switch sides if the winds are at least around 3-4 mph. Less then > that, I still have trouble unless I furl the sail in a bit. > > I?ve experimented with different shroud guards and my latest rendition uses > pvc...not schedule 40, but whatever the thinner version is. I use 1? > diameter for the outer tube, 3/4? for the inner tube, a 3/4? cap and 1/4? > pex up the shroud from there for maybe 5?. I drill a hole in the cap big > enough to get the 1/4 pex through. To thread the shroud through the 1/4? pex > and pvc cap you need to take the turnbuckle off so your only working with > the shroud wire and it?s threaded end. > > The 3/4? cap is almost the same diameter as the 1? pvc, but there is some > slop with the 3/4? pvc moving around inside the 1? pvc. The remedy this I > used 9 wraps of electrical tape to center the 3/4? inside the 1? and then I > used sail tape around the joint between the cap and the 1? pvc. > > The photo I?m attaching is a screen shot from a video I made this morning. > > George Morgan > S/V Knotty Lady 1986/2005 > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 07:54:36 -0700 (MST) From: Joe Dempsey To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] JIB Furling Line Message-ID: <1601304876298-0.post at n5.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Peter, Sounds like what you say confirms the CDI needs 5/32" or 3/16". However, I read a good suggestion (I'll try to find the link and send it) to de-core a 1/4" or 3/16" line for the first ??# of feet to wrap on the drum will allow the remainder to coil up. This gives you a larger line for a better grip. I really do dislike the small furler lines. ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 08:22:12 -0700 (MST) From: Joe Dempsey To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: <1601306532478-0.post at n5.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Matt, I, too, am an experienced sailor and found many idiosyncrasies with the Rhodes. "Respite" has the 175 jenny and i had difficulty tacking in light air. I added longer PVC shroud rollers (it came with 12"-18" rollers) I had mahogany rollers on a previous boat so being a traditionalist, I stained the PVC. See photo attached. One thing, especially in light air, try to wait for a lift to build up your speed and get the helm over hard and fast, if not you're going to be in irons before the jenny gets over. Hope this helps. ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 11:27:48 -0400 From: Matt Berman To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: <013E0C7E-2CB1-42F5-A449-89CE00BE0E64 at mattmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks. I tried it yesterday, after adding pvc pipe over the shrouds, with backfilling the genoa until after going through the wind, and it seemed to work pretty well. I also only had the genoa unfurled to about 130 or so. Weather said the wind was 6 knots, but it seemed a bit lighter than that. Thanks, --Matt > On Sep 28, 2020, at 11:22 AM, Joe Dempsey wrote: > > Matt, > I, too, am an experienced sailor and found many idiosyncrasies with the > Rhodes. "Respite" has the 175 jenny and i had difficulty tacking in light > air. I added longer PVC shroud rollers (it came with 12"-18" rollers) I had > mahogany rollers on a previous boat so being a traditionalist, I stained the > PVC. See photo attached. One thing, especially in light air, try to wait > for a lift to build up your speed and get the helm over hard and fast, if > not you're going to be in irons before the jenny gets over. Hope this > helps. > > > > > > > > ----- > Joe Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Deltaville,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 11:28:52 -0400 From: Mary Lou Troy To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: <89157f14-66ac-82ec-5962-95fd1ca6ff63 at atlanticbb.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed For any of you folks covering your shrouds or stays, remember to check frequently for corrosion as the covers can trap moisture. It's particularly an issue if the moisture you are trapping is salt water or damp salt air. When we had our boat, we used the vinyl turnbuckle covers but not the shroud covers for that reason. The turnbuckle covers were open at the bottom but we did have an issue with the sheet getting caught between the part of the turnbuckle that holds the clevis pin and the toe rail. A few wraps of rigging tape eliminated that and we did remove that at the end of the season. Mary Lou ex Rhodes 22 now Rosborough RF-246? Tara On 9/27/2020 11:22 PM, Gmorganflier wrote: > Welcome to the list Matt, > > I?m a very novice sailer and the Rhodes 22 is my first sailboat. I?ve been > out on her maybe 9 or 10 times. I have gotten better at getting the big > genny to switch sides if the winds are at least around 3-4 mph. Less then > that, I still have trouble unless I furl the sail in a bit. > > I?ve experimented with different shroud guards and my latest rendition uses > pvc...not schedule 40, but whatever the thinner version is. I use 1? > diameter for the outer tube, 3/4? for the inner tube, a 3/4? cap and 1/4? > pex up the shroud from there for maybe 5?. I drill a hole in the cap big > enough to get the 1/4 pex through. To thread the shroud through the 1/4? pex > and pvc cap you need to take the turnbuckle off so your only working with > the shroud wire and it?s threaded end. > > The 3/4? cap is almost the same diameter as the 1? pvc, but there is some > slop with the 3/4? pvc moving around inside the 1? pvc. The remedy this I > used 9 wraps of electrical tape to center the 3/4? inside the 1? and then I > used sail tape around the joint between the cap and the 1? pvc. > > The photo I?m attaching is a screen shot from a video I made this morning. > > George Morgan > S/V Knotty Lady 1986/2005 > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 08:55:31 -0700 (MST) From: NewIn76 To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler technical aspects Message-ID: <1601308531699-0.post at n5.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii All, The Rhodes 22 is the first boat I've owned with an end-boom traveler. What makes this arrangement any better than either the triangle mainsheet rigging on a Com-Pac 23 or the smaller traveler system found on early Catalina 22s? I'm not arguing against Stan or GBI conventional wisdom, I'm just trying to figure it out how the traveler adds to my experience. Why ask now? I have to rebuild my traveler system. ----- Brian 1976 Rhodes 22 Cleveland -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 12:58:53 -0400 From: Rick Lange To: NewIn76 , The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler technical aspects Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Brian, Do you have the IMF? If so, it provides perfect adjustment of the mainsail along with an obstruction free cockpit and companionway. Regards, Rick Lange On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:55 AM NewIn76 via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > All, > The Rhodes 22 is the first boat I've owned with an end-boom traveler. What > makes this arrangement any better than either the triangle mainsheet > rigging > on a Com-Pac 23 or the smaller traveler system found on early Catalina > 22s? > I'm not arguing against Stan or GBI conventional wisdom, I'm just trying to > figure it out how the traveler adds to my experience. > > Why ask now? I have to rebuild my traveler system. > > > > ----- > Brian > 1976 Rhodes 22 > Cleveland > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 10:11:04 -0700 (MST) From: NewIn76 To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler technical aspects Message-ID: <1601313064136-0.post at n5.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have a pre-IMF main. My traveler is mounted to an interesting aluminum bracket. I'm all for the unobstructed cockpit. I think I have a Frankenstein setup and basically need to re-do it. I'm just trying to get an idea of why I need a traveler. ----- Brian 1976 Rhodes 22 Cleveland -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 17:30:23 +0000 From: "Lowe, Rob" To: NewIn76 , The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler technical aspects Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Brain, Now that's an interesting set up. Can't say we've seen one like this before. I had a 76, let me see if I can find some pictures of the traveler. - rob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of NewIn76 via Rhodes22-list Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 1:11 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler technical aspects I have a pre-IMF main. My traveler is mounted to an interesting aluminum bracket. I'm all for the unobstructed cockpit. I think I have a Frankenstein setup and basically need to re-do it. I'm just trying to get an idea of why I need a traveler. ----- Brian 1976 Rhodes 22 Cleveland -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Rhodes22-list mailing list Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list ------------------------------ End of Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4262, Issue 1 ********************************************** From mweisner at ebsmed.com Thu Oct 1 16:09:30 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 16:09:30 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4262, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007501d6982e$c6628030$53278090$@ebsmed.com> We all have had days like that. No worry as long as it is just the titles that are missing. My problem is that I know exactly where my boat is AND I AM NOT ON IT often enough. Check your Dept of Motor Vehicles (or equivalent) for lost title replacements. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I'd rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Tommy Thompson Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2020 3:16 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4262, Issue 1 What an Idiot I am, I missed out the most important item. It's the titles I am missing... Tommy -----Original Message----- From: Tommy Thompson Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2020 12:04 PM To: 'rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org' Subject: RE: Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4262, Issue 1 HI Everyone, For the life of me, I can't find my boat/trailer. Does the home office/facility keep copies? Tommy -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 10:30 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4262, Issue 1 Send Rhodes22-list mailing list submissions to rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org You can reach the person managing the list at rhodes22-list-owner at rhodes22.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Rhodes22-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Newbie question 2 (Matt Berman) 2. Re: Newbie question 2 (Tom Van Heule) 3. Re: Newbie question 1 (stan) 4. Re: Newbie question 1 (Scott Andrews) 5. Re: Newbie question 1 (Matt Berman) 6. Re: Newbie question 1 (Ric Stott) 7. Re: Newbie question 1 (Scott Andrews) 8. Re: Newbie question 1 (Mitch Mitchell) 9. Re: Newbie questions (Peter Nyberg) 10. Re: Newbie questions (Matt Berman) 11. Re: Newbie questions (Frank Goldsmith) 12. Re: Newbie question 2 (S/V Lark) 13. Re: Newbie question 2 (Tom Van Heule) 14. Re: Newbie question 2 (Matt Berman) 15. Re: Newbie question 1 (Gmorganflier) 16. Re: Newbie question 2 (S/V Lark) 17. Re: Newbie question 1 (Matt Berman) 18. Re: JIB Furling Line (Joe Dempsey) 19. Re: Newbie question 1 (Joe Dempsey) 20. Re: Newbie question 1 (Matt Berman) 21. Re: Newbie question 1 (Mary Lou Troy) 22. Traveler technical aspects (NewIn76) 23. Re: Traveler technical aspects (Rick Lange) 24. Re: Traveler technical aspects (NewIn76) 25. Re: Traveler technical aspects (Lowe, Rob) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 20:47:31 -0400 From: Matt Berman To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 2 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Where do you stow them? The only storage on my '86 cockpit is the lazerette. Or do you just stick them under the seats? Thanks, --Matt s/v Pantalaimon > On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: > > Peter has done some rigging work. Silverheels on youtube. > > I just made habit of preparing and stowing lines after each tack. This is > my first sailboat in 25 years. > > On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 5:16 PM Matt Berman wrote: > >> So, here's the second issue I ran into on my first sail. The Rhodes has a >> LOT more rope in the cockpit than I remember on other boats I have sailed. >> My last boat, an S2, was awhile ago, but I don't remember constantly >> sitting/standing on the lines or getting them tangled up. Part of it may be >> because, without the captain's chairs, I have to stand to see over the >> cabin, but, even so ... >> >> Do any of you have a line-management system that works well while sailing >> the Rhodes? >> >> Thanks, >> >> --Matt >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 20:04:47 -0500 From: Tom Van Heule To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 2 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Matt. There are some storage just below the winches for the jib sheets. The furling line is looped up on starboard bench. Traveller sheet does spool on the laz, but no one can sit there with the tiller... And we have the captain. Seats. Only when I heel do I touch the traveller. Else all is well, and easy. #1 rule I have found with my R22 is that if it is hard; I am doing something wrong. And we always have a moment where we realize what's up and then things are very easy again. Hth, Tom On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 7:47 PM Matt Berman wrote: > Where do you stow them? The only storage on my '86 cockpit is the > lazerette. Or do you just stick them under the seats? > > Thanks, > > --Matt > s/v Pantalaimon > > > > On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > > Peter has done some rigging work. Silverheels on youtube. > > > > I just made habit of preparing and stowing lines after each tack. This > is > > my first sailboat in 25 years. > > > > On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 5:16 PM Matt Berman wrote: > > > >> So, here's the second issue I ran into on my first sail. The Rhodes has > a > >> LOT more rope in the cockpit than I remember on other boats I have > sailed. > >> My last boat, an S2, was awhile ago, but I don't remember constantly > >> sitting/standing on the lines or getting them tangled up. Part of it > may be > >> because, without the captain's chairs, I have to stand to see over the > >> cabin, but, even so ... > >> > >> Do any of you have a line-management system that works well while > sailing > >> the Rhodes? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> --Matt > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 07:45:10 -0400 From: stan To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: <5cf98e26-ccfa-a4e0-9521-b44876e69ef2 at generalboats.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Matt, We were anxiously awaiting your take on the Certified category Rhodes recently delivered to you since we put so much more into your boat than is normally done for a purchase in this class. Not a peep. Instead we have been bypassed with 15 reports to the List numbered 1. and 2. so far, seemingly suggesting more to follow; neither with a word of satisfaction, only your annoying issues. The List is a treasure and the right place to go for private purchases of used Rhodes where we do not know the condition of the boat or alterations made, by prior owners.? In contrast, a direct purchase from General Boats where we know that boat first hand and the List does not, GB becomes the more logical source for addressing initial questions. Mentioning two of GB's policies is appropriate here: One is that you made your purchase appreciating that you could take advantage of GB's two year window to turn the boat in for a recycled category Rhodes where the original boat's price is applied to the new recycled Rhodes. The other you may not be tuned into is our quip that if anyone purchasing a Rhodes from General Boast says anything negative about his or her boat, we take it away from them. The practical translation of this is that if you are not completely comfortable with your purchase we will return your deposit and take the boat back without prejudice. Not affecting any of the above, I have two curiosity questions:? I thought we sent you 'Tips on Rigging and Sailing Your Rhodes 22', or am I mistaken. The other, weren't there any features that surprised and pleased you on this boat. stan ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 08:15:58 -0400 From: Scott Andrews To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: <1BBF0E60-3157-4246-A6FC-62D26A6C1C36 at verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I saw an interesting article in Sail magazine titled Choosing the Right Headsail for Your Sailboat. Scott A. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:01 PM, Shawn Boles wrote: > > ?Hi Matt: > > You will find there are a lot of ways to sail the Rhodes 22. When I am > sailing with the 175 full out, usually in light winds because I like to go > by other folks who are standing still, I backwind the jib and let it come > across when the time is right (you will find the release point after a > couple of times) . I also have roller tubes on the the fore and center > shrouds. > > Cheers, > Shawn > s/v Sweet Baboo > >> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 1:52 PM Matt Berman wrote: >> >> Hi, all, >> >> I've been sailing for most of my life, but only just got a Rhodes 22 this >> week. I went for my first sail today, light breeze, and encountered a >> number of things that are different from other boats I have sailed. Here's >> the first: >> >> Every time I came about, the genoa (170) hung up on everything it could >> find -- stanchions, lifelines, shrouds. This was not a minor, momentary >> clip -- it stayed hung up until each time I had to crawl forward and >> release the genoa by hand, not fun when you're single-handing. >> >> I made sure the sheets were all on the outside of everything, and that the >> sheet on the opposite side was loose and free, and I wasn't standing on it >> (more about that in another post). I tried jiggling both sides, and sawing >> both sheets back and forth to try to release it, but no go. >> >> Is there some trick or technique you use on a Rhodes to get the genoa to >> move smoothly from one side to the other during a tack? I didn't even try a >> jibe. >> >> Thanks, >> >> --Matt >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 08:24:18 -0400 From: Matt Berman To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: <9CA02EFB-1593-4B37-AECF-DCB442E997FE at mattmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear Stan, I am so sorry to have given you offense -- I can assure you that was not my intention. I think maybe I misunderstood how things work in Rhodes World. When the Gabriels sent me the link to this list and, based on my interactions with many other companies that make many other items that I have bought that have support forums for questions, I assumed that you wouldn't want hundreds of owners bothering you with questions and that the list was the support forum where I should post my questions. I didn't mean to bypass you, I thought that's how it was done. If that's not how you prefer it, I apologize, and will in future direct my questions to you privately. For the rest of your questions, I will take those to a private email to you. My sincere apologies, --Matt > On Sep 27, 2020, at 7:45 AM, stan wrote: > > > Matt, > > We were anxiously awaiting your take on the Certified category Rhodes recently delivered to you since we put so much more into your boat than is normally done for a purchase in this class. Not a peep. Instead we have been bypassed with 15 reports to the List numbered 1. and 2. so far, seemingly suggesting more to follow; neither with a word of satisfaction, only your annoying issues. > > The List is a treasure and the right place to go for private purchases of used Rhodes where we do not know the condition of the boat or alterations made, by prior owners. In contrast, a direct purchase from General Boats where we know that boat first hand and the List does not, GB becomes the more logical source for addressing initial questions. > > Mentioning two of GB's policies is appropriate here: > One is that you made your purchase appreciating that you could take advantage of GB's two year window to turn the boat in for a recycled category Rhodes where the original boat's price is applied to the new recycled Rhodes. > The other you may not be tuned into is our quip that if anyone purchasing a Rhodes from General Boast says anything negative about his or her boat, we take it away from them. The practical translation of this is that if you are not completely comfortable with your purchase we will return your deposit and take the boat back without prejudice. > > Not affecting any of the above, I have two curiosity questions: I thought we sent you 'Tips on Rigging and Sailing Your Rhodes 22', or am I mistaken. > The other, weren't there any features that surprised and pleased you on this boat. > > stan > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 08:25:03 -0400 From: Ric Stott To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: <96C91C88-BC23-41FF-8ABB-87436F5EEE69 at stottarchitecture.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 It?s not a design flaw, it?s a system you have to learn how to operate. I have shroud covers and turnbuckle covers on all the shrouds. The covers roll and help the big genny through the fore-triangle. I single-hand all the time and usually get the job to tack without complaints. My first few seasons with the Rhodes brought me to the conclusion that a 130% jib would be the answer - - - But - that big genny is often all the sail needed and since I have a continental rig, if I?m not sailing to weather, I can just roll out the Genoa. I have also found that unlike using both dials, the Rhodes will not be overpowered and on its ear with only one of the two sails up, even in winds up to 20 kts. My ideal would be a new CDI furler that would allow for sail changes, then choose a 130, the big guy or a Code Zero - according to wind conditions and sail plan. Ric sv Dadventure Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 26, 2020, at 5:36 PM, Matt Berman wrote: > > ?I'll give backfilling a try next time. > > I'm also seeing older posts now that talk about partially furling before each tack, which seems like a pain, and also adding adding a tricing line and/or shroud and turnbuckle covers to make them more slippy. There was also some argument about the relative virtues/disadvantages of cow hitch vs. clove hitch where the sheets attach to the genoa. I guess this has been an ongoing problem. Some posts even suggest that the 170 genoa is a mistake for the Rhodes, which I really hope is wrong. > > Thanks, > > --Matt > > > >> On Sep 26, 2020, at 5:28 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: >> >> I think Robert has it, it took me 3 sails to get the flick down. >> >> I have also furled, tacked, and then unfurled. >> But basically letting it fill up and pulling when the clew is high works. >> Ymmv of course. >> The biggest snag item is on the aft life rail lifeline eye, and the front >> cabin stay. >> >>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 4:13 PM Matt Berman wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for the quick responses. Is this a design flaw? If so, it seems >>> like a pretty serious one. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> --Matt >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 5:11 PM, Weiss, Robert L wrote: >>>> >>>> That?s a common problem with the 170. Try back filling the Jenny then >>> release it so it comes across faster. >>>> >>>> Robert L. Weiss Jr. >>>> Director of Music >>>> First United Methodist Carbondale IL >>>> Professor Emeritus, SIUC >>>> ________________________________ > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 08:26:48 -0400 From: Scott Andrews To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: <4DAA917B-FFA7-4609-AD09-9B4A7F7CBA4A at verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thanks Matt for that archive note on tacking a Rhodes. It makes good sense and is similar to the way we tack Flying Scots on the Delaware. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 27, 2020, at 8:16 AM, Scott Andrews wrote: > > ?I saw an interesting article in Sail magazine titled Choosing the Right Headsail for Your Sailboat. > Scott A. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:01 PM, Shawn Boles wrote: >> >> ?Hi Matt: >> >> You will find there are a lot of ways to sail the Rhodes 22. When I am >> sailing with the 175 full out, usually in light winds because I like to go >> by other folks who are standing still, I backwind the jib and let it come >> across when the time is right (you will find the release point after a >> couple of times) . I also have roller tubes on the the fore and center >> shrouds. >> >> Cheers, >> Shawn >> s/v Sweet Baboo >> >>>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 1:52 PM Matt Berman wrote: >>> >>> Hi, all, >>> >>> I've been sailing for most of my life, but only just got a Rhodes 22 this >>> week. I went for my first sail today, light breeze, and encountered a >>> number of things that are different from other boats I have sailed. Here's >>> the first: >>> >>> Every time I came about, the genoa (170) hung up on everything it could >>> find -- stanchions, lifelines, shrouds. This was not a minor, momentary >>> clip -- it stayed hung up until each time I had to crawl forward and >>> release the genoa by hand, not fun when you're single-handing. >>> >>> I made sure the sheets were all on the outside of everything, and that the >>> sheet on the opposite side was loose and free, and I wasn't standing on it >>> (more about that in another post). I tried jiggling both sides, and sawing >>> both sheets back and forth to try to release it, but no go. >>> >>> Is there some trick or technique you use on a Rhodes to get the genoa to >>> move smoothly from one side to the other during a tack? I didn't even try a >>> jibe. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> --Matt >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 09:49:55 -0400 From: Mitch Mitchell To: Scott Andrews , The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Ha, turns out I've been handling my drink all wrong during tacks! I would like to hear some more specifics of what people use for shroud and turnbuckle covers. Size pvc? Is there anything at the ends to keep it centered. Can they be purchased pre-made? Thanks! On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 8:26 AM Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Thanks Matt for that archive note on tacking a Rhodes. It makes good sense > and is similar to the way we tack Flying Scots on the Delaware. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 27, 2020, at 8:16 AM, Scott Andrews wrote: > > > > ?I saw an interesting article in Sail magazine titled Choosing the Right > Headsail for Your Sailboat. > > Scott A. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:01 PM, Shawn Boles > wrote: > >> > >> ?Hi Matt: > >> > >> You will find there are a lot of ways to sail the Rhodes 22. When I am > >> sailing with the 175 full out, usually in light winds because I like to > go > >> by other folks who are standing still, I backwind the jib and let it > come > >> across when the time is right (you will find the release point after a > >> couple of times) . I also have roller tubes on the the fore and center > >> shrouds. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Shawn > >> s/v Sweet Baboo > >> > >>>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 1:52 PM Matt Berman wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi, all, > >>> > >>> I've been sailing for most of my life, but only just got a Rhodes 22 > this > >>> week. I went for my first sail today, light breeze, and encountered a > >>> number of things that are different from other boats I have sailed. > Here's > >>> the first: > >>> > >>> Every time I came about, the genoa (170) hung up on everything it could > >>> find -- stanchions, lifelines, shrouds. This was not a minor, momentary > >>> clip -- it stayed hung up until each time I had to crawl forward and > >>> release the genoa by hand, not fun when you're single-handing. > >>> > >>> I made sure the sheets were all on the outside of everything, and that > the > >>> sheet on the opposite side was loose and free, and I wasn't standing > on it > >>> (more about that in another post). I tried jiggling both sides, and > sawing > >>> both sheets back and forth to try to release it, but no go. > >>> > >>> Is there some trick or technique you use on a Rhodes to get the genoa > to > >>> move smoothly from one side to the other during a tack? I didn't even > try a > >>> jibe. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> --Matt > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 11:20:33 -0400 From: Peter Nyberg To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie questions Message-ID: <217A45F8-0D12-42E9-A76C-2FC4F0B8FBF3 at sunnybeeches.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Matt, No one is authorized to speak for the List as a whole, but, however much you may have annoyed Stan, let me assure you that you have violated no List rules or norms of behavior. As such, you remain a member in good standing, are are free to submit questions to the List. To be clear, the List is totally independent from General Boats. It?s not a ?support forum? in the usual use of the term. It is merely a collection of people who own a Rhodes 22, used to own a Rhodes 22, or are thinking about buying a Rhodes 22. So, once again, as one member to another, I say welcome aboard. Out of curiosity, where do you sail? Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On Sep 27, 2020, at 8:24 AM, Matt Berman wrote: > > Dear Stan, > > I am so sorry to have given you offense -- I can assure you that was not my intention. > > I think maybe I misunderstood how things work in Rhodes World. When the Gabriels sent me the link to this list and, based on my interactions with many other companies that make many other items that I have bought that have support forums for questions, I assumed that you wouldn't want hundreds of owners bothering you with questions and that the list was the support forum where I should post my questions. I didn't mean to bypass you, I thought that's how it was done. If that's not how you prefer it, I apologize, and will in future direct my questions to you privately. > > For the rest of your questions, I will take those to a private email to you. > > My sincere apologies, > > --Matt > > > >> On Sep 27, 2020, at 7:45 AM, stan wrote: >> >> >> Matt, >> >> We were anxiously awaiting your take on the Certified category Rhodes recently delivered to you since we put so much more into your boat than is normally done for a purchase in this class. Not a peep. Instead we have been bypassed with 15 reports to the List numbered 1. and 2. so far, seemingly suggesting more to follow; neither with a word of satisfaction, only your annoying issues. >> >> The List is a treasure and the right place to go for private purchases of used Rhodes where we do not know the condition of the boat or alterations made, by prior owners. In contrast, a direct purchase from General Boats where we know that boat first hand and the List does not, GB becomes the more logical source for addressing initial questions. >> >> Mentioning two of GB's policies is appropriate here: >> One is that you made your purchase appreciating that you could take advantage of GB's two year window to turn the boat in for a recycled category Rhodes where the original boat's price is applied to the new recycled Rhodes. >> The other you may not be tuned into is our quip that if anyone purchasing a Rhodes from General Boast says anything negative about his or her boat, we take it away from them. The practical translation of this is that if you are not completely comfortable with your purchase we will return your deposit and take the boat back without prejudice. >> >> Not affecting any of the above, I have two curiosity questions: I thought we sent you 'Tips on Rigging and Sailing Your Rhodes 22', or am I mistaken. >> The other, weren't there any features that surprised and pleased you on this boat. >> >> stan >> > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 12:11:35 -0400 From: Matt Berman To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie questions Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I'm on Lake Norman in NC. Thanks for the welcome! --Matt s/v Pantalaimon > On Sep 27, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > Matt, > > No one is authorized to speak for the List as a whole, but, however much you may have annoyed Stan, let me assure you that you have violated no List rules or norms of behavior. As such, you remain a member in good standing, are are free to submit questions to the List. > > To be clear, the List is totally independent from General Boats. It?s not a ?support forum? in the usual use of the term. It is merely a collection of people who own a Rhodes 22, used to own a Rhodes 22, or are thinking about buying a Rhodes 22. > > So, once again, as one member to another, I say welcome aboard. > > Out of curiosity, where do you sail? > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > >> On Sep 27, 2020, at 8:24 AM, Matt Berman wrote: >> >> Dear Stan, >> >> I am so sorry to have given you offense -- I can assure you that was not my intention. >> >> I think maybe I misunderstood how things work in Rhodes World. When the Gabriels sent me the link to this list and, based on my interactions with many other companies that make many other items that I have bought that have support forums for questions, I assumed that you wouldn't want hundreds of owners bothering you with questions and that the list was the support forum where I should post my questions. I didn't mean to bypass you, I thought that's how it was done. If that's not how you prefer it, I apologize, and will in future direct my questions to you privately. >> >> For the rest of your questions, I will take those to a private email to you. >> >> My sincere apologies, >> >> --Matt >> >> >> >>> On Sep 27, 2020, at 7:45 AM, stan wrote: >>> >>> >>> Matt, >>> >>> We were anxiously awaiting your take on the Certified category Rhodes recently delivered to you since we put so much more into your boat than is normally done for a purchase in this class. Not a peep. Instead we have been bypassed with 15 reports to the List numbered 1. and 2. so far, seemingly suggesting more to follow; neither with a word of satisfaction, only your annoying issues. >>> >>> The List is a treasure and the right place to go for private purchases of used Rhodes where we do not know the condition of the boat or alterations made, by prior owners. In contrast, a direct purchase from General Boats where we know that boat first hand and the List does not, GB becomes the more logical source for addressing initial questions. >>> >>> Mentioning two of GB's policies is appropriate here: >>> One is that you made your purchase appreciating that you could take advantage of GB's two year window to turn the boat in for a recycled category Rhodes where the original boat's price is applied to the new recycled Rhodes. >>> The other you may not be tuned into is our quip that if anyone purchasing a Rhodes from General Boast says anything negative about his or her boat, we take it away from them. The practical translation of this is that if you are not completely comfortable with your purchase we will return your deposit and take the boat back without prejudice. >>> >>> Not affecting any of the above, I have two curiosity questions: I thought we sent you 'Tips on Rigging and Sailing Your Rhodes 22', or am I mistaken. >>> The other, weren't there any features that surprised and pleased you on this boat. >>> >>> stan >>> >> > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 12:24:44 -0400 From: Frank Goldsmith To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie questions Message-ID: <38895D22-2DAF-493E-9BE5-F134F2A1584E at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi, Matt, Let me add my welcome as a fellow North Carolinian (living in the Asheville area). I sail on Lake Keowee, SC. I think the archival advice on how to tack a Rhodes with the large headsail is exactly right. I just let it backfill to help bring the bow around before pulling in the leeward jib sheet. I do have the PVC-type shroud/turnbuckle roller tubes; I forgot to put them on the last time I raised the mast, but it works o.k. without them. (I don?t have lifelines on my boat.) Next time I take down the mast I?ll probably put them back on. Frank Frank Goldsmith Fairview, NC S/V ?Mary Bess? Lake Keowee, SC > On Sep 27, 2020, at 12:11 PM, Matt Berman wrote: > > I'm on Lake Norman in NC. Thanks for the welcome! > > > --Matt > s/v Pantalaimon > > >> On Sep 27, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Peter Nyberg wrote: >> >> Matt, >> >> No one is authorized to speak for the List as a whole, but, however much you may have annoyed Stan, let me assure you that you have violated no List rules or norms of behavior. As such, you remain a member in good standing, are are free to submit questions to the List. >> >> To be clear, the List is totally independent from General Boats. It?s not a ?support forum? in the usual use of the term. It is merely a collection of people who own a Rhodes 22, used to own a Rhodes 22, or are thinking about buying a Rhodes 22. >> >> So, once again, as one member to another, I say welcome aboard. >> >> Out of curiosity, where do you sail? >> >> Peter Nyberg >> Coventry, CT >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) >> >>> On Sep 27, 2020, at 8:24 AM, Matt Berman wrote: >>> >>> Dear Stan, >>> >>> I am so sorry to have given you offense -- I can assure you that was not my intention. >>> >>> I think maybe I misunderstood how things work in Rhodes World. When the Gabriels sent me the link to this list and, based on my interactions with many other companies that make many other items that I have bought that have support forums for questions, I assumed that you wouldn't want hundreds of owners bothering you with questions and that the list was the support forum where I should post my questions. I didn't mean to bypass you, I thought that's how it was done. If that's not how you prefer it, I apologize, and will in future direct my questions to you privately. >>> >>> For the rest of your questions, I will take those to a private email to you. >>> >>> My sincere apologies, >>> >>> --Matt >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Sep 27, 2020, at 7:45 AM, stan wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Matt, >>>> >>>> We were anxiously awaiting your take on the Certified category Rhodes recently delivered to you since we put so much more into your boat than is normally done for a purchase in this class. Not a peep. Instead we have been bypassed with 15 reports to the List numbered 1. and 2. so far, seemingly suggesting more to follow; neither with a word of satisfaction, only your annoying issues. >>>> >>>> The List is a treasure and the right place to go for private purchases of used Rhodes where we do not know the condition of the boat or alterations made, by prior owners. In contrast, a direct purchase from General Boats where we know that boat first hand and the List does not, GB becomes the more logical source for addressing initial questions. >>>> >>>> Mentioning two of GB's policies is appropriate here: >>>> One is that you made your purchase appreciating that you could take advantage of GB's two year window to turn the boat in for a recycled category Rhodes where the original boat's price is applied to the new recycled Rhodes. >>>> The other you may not be tuned into is our quip that if anyone purchasing a Rhodes from General Boast says anything negative about his or her boat, we take it away from them. The practical translation of this is that if you are not completely comfortable with your purchase we will return your deposit and take the boat back without prejudice. >>>> >>>> Not affecting any of the above, I have two curiosity questions: I thought we sent you 'Tips on Rigging and Sailing Your Rhodes 22', or am I mistaken. >>>> The other, weren't there any features that surprised and pleased you on this boat. >>>> >>>> stan >>>> >>> >> > ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 13:39:14 -0700 (MST) From: S/V Lark To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 2 Message-ID: <1601239154801-0.post at n5.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What lines are you struggling. This is what works for me, mostly alone. My main sheet length is adequate with the boom in the upper position running downwind. The excess is coiled and tied to the pushpit with the boom in the lower position beating. I find myself adjusting if I adjust boom height. Sufficient main to run leaves a few feet clumped over the lazarette hatch beating, but not enough to feel dangerous. I generally keep it laying on my knee for a quick release, while in the captain's chair. The lazy jib sheet is in the coaming compartment. The other is cross cleated, and also extends to my knee or in my hand. If the tack is long I tuck the excess in the coaming compartment. On long Lake Erie tacks I found myself not bothering to cross cleat. The boom lift is cleated, coiled and tucked around itself hanging off the side of the cabin. The jib furling line does the same thing on the opposite side. The outhaul and inhaul have cleats on the boom. My motor mount has the block and tackle system, that line is also coiled and looped over itself on the pushpit. Regarding the jib post, I find a smaller jib is versatile and adequate. I never tried the 170 but downsized from a custom jib (est 150%) the PO used to Stan's 140% size when wear forced replacement. I tend to canoe or single hand a 2 man dinghy when the wind is extremely light, so I don't miss the extra sail area. Convenience is one of this boat's superpowers. In good (10 knot steady) wind you can drop the motor and start it on your final sailing approach to the marina inlet. Uncleat the jib furling line. Disconnect excess outhaul from the horn cleats and let it hang from the boom. If on a starboard tack, do a penalty turn. Head up, let the backfilled jib will pull the bow around smartly, tack as normal. As the main reaches the starboard side upwind release the outhaul from the boom end cleat and furl the main. The rudder remains hard over and the boat continues to fall off. Use momentum and the jib to finish the circle. Furl the jib. Put the motor in gear. The Rhodes can have everything neatly furled by the time the turn is complete and never lose its place in line for a busy marina. Somebody needs to video themselves from a chase boat for Stan's website. ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 16:12:32 -0500 From: Tom Van Heule To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 2 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Sounds like you're the star of this video. Where are you? I might be down for chasing you with a camera. On Sun, Sep 27, 2020, 3:39 PM S/V Lark wrote: > What lines are you struggling. This is what works for me, mostly alone. > > My main sheet length is adequate with the boom in the upper position > running > downwind. The excess is coiled and tied to the pushpit with the boom in > the lower position beating. I find myself adjusting if I adjust boom > height. Sufficient main to run leaves a few feet clumped over the > lazarette hatch beating, but not enough to feel dangerous. I generally > keep it laying on my knee for a quick release, while in the captain's > chair. > > The lazy jib sheet is in the coaming compartment. The other is cross > cleated, and also extends to my knee or in my hand. If the tack is long > I > tuck the excess in the coaming compartment. On long Lake Erie tacks I > found myself not bothering to cross cleat. > > The boom lift is cleated, coiled and tucked around itself hanging off the > side of the cabin. > > The jib furling line does the same thing on the opposite side. > > The outhaul and inhaul have cleats on the boom. > > My motor mount has the block and tackle system, that line is also coiled > and > looped over itself on the pushpit. > > Regarding the jib post, I find a smaller jib is versatile and adequate. I > never tried the 170 but downsized from a custom jib (est 150%) the PO used > to Stan's 140% size when wear forced replacement. I tend to canoe or > single hand a 2 man dinghy when the wind is extremely light, so I don't > miss > the extra sail area. > > > Convenience is one of this boat's superpowers. In good (10 knot steady) > wind you can drop the motor and start it on your final sailing approach to > the marina inlet. Uncleat the jib furling line. Disconnect excess > outhaul from the horn cleats and let it hang from the boom. If on a > starboard tack, do a penalty turn. Head up, let the backfilled jib will > pull the bow around smartly, tack as normal. As the main reaches the > starboard side upwind release the outhaul from the boom end cleat and furl > the main. The rudder remains hard over and the boat continues to fall > off. > Use momentum and the jib to finish the circle. Furl the jib. Put the > motor in gear. The Rhodes can have everything neatly furled by the time > the turn is complete and never lose its place in line for a busy marina. > Somebody needs to video themselves from a chase boat for Stan's website. > > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 18:17:20 -0400 From: Matt Berman To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 2 Message-ID: <27CB6387-4970-4AE0-8433-549135DC816C at mattmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks so much -- very helpful. And yes, a video would be great. --Matt > On Sep 27, 2020, at 4:39 PM, S/V Lark wrote: > > What lines are you struggling. This is what works for me, mostly alone. > > My main sheet length is adequate with the boom in the upper position running > downwind. The excess is coiled and tied to the pushpit with the boom in > the lower position beating. I find myself adjusting if I adjust boom > height. Sufficient main to run leaves a few feet clumped over the > lazarette hatch beating, but not enough to feel dangerous. I generally > keep it laying on my knee for a quick release, while in the captain's chair. > > The lazy jib sheet is in the coaming compartment. The other is cross > cleated, and also extends to my knee or in my hand. If the tack is long I > tuck the excess in the coaming compartment. On long Lake Erie tacks I > found myself not bothering to cross cleat. > > The boom lift is cleated, coiled and tucked around itself hanging off the > side of the cabin. > > The jib furling line does the same thing on the opposite side. > > The outhaul and inhaul have cleats on the boom. > > My motor mount has the block and tackle system, that line is also coiled and > looped over itself on the pushpit. > > Regarding the jib post, I find a smaller jib is versatile and adequate. I > never tried the 170 but downsized from a custom jib (est 150%) the PO used > to Stan's 140% size when wear forced replacement. I tend to canoe or > single hand a 2 man dinghy when the wind is extremely light, so I don't miss > the extra sail area. > > > Convenience is one of this boat's superpowers. In good (10 knot steady) > wind you can drop the motor and start it on your final sailing approach to > the marina inlet. Uncleat the jib furling line. Disconnect excess > outhaul from the horn cleats and let it hang from the boom. If on a > starboard tack, do a penalty turn. Head up, let the backfilled jib will > pull the bow around smartly, tack as normal. As the main reaches the > starboard side upwind release the outhaul from the boom end cleat and furl > the main. The rudder remains hard over and the boat continues to fall off. > Use momentum and the jib to finish the circle. Furl the jib. Put the > motor in gear. The Rhodes can have everything neatly furled by the time > the turn is complete and never lose its place in line for a busy marina. > Somebody needs to video themselves from a chase boat for Stan's website. > > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 20:22:57 -0700 (MST) From: Gmorganflier To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: <1601263377512-0.post at n5.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Welcome to the list Matt, I?m a very novice sailer and the Rhodes 22 is my first sailboat. I?ve been out on her maybe 9 or 10 times. I have gotten better at getting the big genny to switch sides if the winds are at least around 3-4 mph. Less then that, I still have trouble unless I furl the sail in a bit. I?ve experimented with different shroud guards and my latest rendition uses pvc...not schedule 40, but whatever the thinner version is. I use 1? diameter for the outer tube, 3/4? for the inner tube, a 3/4? cap and 1/4? pex up the shroud from there for maybe 5?. I drill a hole in the cap big enough to get the 1/4 pex through. To thread the shroud through the 1/4? pex and pvc cap you need to take the turnbuckle off so your only working with the shroud wire and it?s threaded end. The 3/4? cap is almost the same diameter as the 1? pvc, but there is some slop with the 3/4? pvc moving around inside the 1? pvc. The remedy this I used 9 wraps of electrical tape to center the 3/4? inside the 1? and then I used sail tape around the joint between the cap and the 1? pvc. The photo I?m attaching is a screen shot from a video I made this morning. George Morgan S/V Knotty Lady 1986/2005 -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 20:54:37 -0700 (MST) From: S/V Lark To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 2 Message-ID: <1601265277790-0.post at n5.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 My home port is Clarence J Brown reservoir by Springfield, What I described is just a combination of everything you normally do. Planning ahead let?s you do it faster. I?m in the habit of sailing as close to the inlet as I could before a dying evening wind gets frustrating, to maximize sailboat time before going back to real life. Mistrust of my outboard encouraged me to start it up early ?just in case?. As I repeated in heavier winds I got faster, a way to catch up with guys busy flaking sails while I enjoyed a sunset lap. I realized how cool it was at the inlet of Sandusky Sailing Club. I wasn?t sure of my location. I slipped between a nice big Hunter and another boat, both motoring towards one of the multiple marinas, and sailed in line with them until I could read the little sign. A buoy marks a rock just downwind of the entrance. A Colgate with a student driver careened around in beginner agony where I might tack and furl. I wasn?t sure where he was going to go next, so I stayed in line and prepped the boat for a quick 360. I realized how fast it looks when I saw the Hunter, still a couple hundred yards behind me, start to twitch his bow just as I completed my turn and dropped the motor in gear. He didn?t realize what was happening until it was over. Watching the out of control Colgate likely made him a bit jumpy. Since the wind was great and upwind is brisk compared to downwind, I only lost a handful of boat lengths and remained well clear of other traffic. ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 06:51:35 -0400 From: Matt Berman To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Wow -- that looks amazing. Thanks for the welcome, info, and pics. --Matt > On Sep 27, 2020, at 11:22 PM, Gmorganflier wrote: > > Welcome to the list Matt, > > I?m a very novice sailer and the Rhodes 22 is my first sailboat. I?ve been > out on her maybe 9 or 10 times. I have gotten better at getting the big > genny to switch sides if the winds are at least around 3-4 mph. Less then > that, I still have trouble unless I furl the sail in a bit. > > I?ve experimented with different shroud guards and my latest rendition uses > pvc...not schedule 40, but whatever the thinner version is. I use 1? > diameter for the outer tube, 3/4? for the inner tube, a 3/4? cap and 1/4? > pex up the shroud from there for maybe 5?. I drill a hole in the cap big > enough to get the 1/4 pex through. To thread the shroud through the 1/4? pex > and pvc cap you need to take the turnbuckle off so your only working with > the shroud wire and it?s threaded end. > > The 3/4? cap is almost the same diameter as the 1? pvc, but there is some > slop with the 3/4? pvc moving around inside the 1? pvc. The remedy this I > used 9 wraps of electrical tape to center the 3/4? inside the 1? and then I > used sail tape around the joint between the cap and the 1? pvc. > > The photo I?m attaching is a screen shot from a video I made this morning. > > George Morgan > S/V Knotty Lady 1986/2005 > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 07:54:36 -0700 (MST) From: Joe Dempsey To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] JIB Furling Line Message-ID: <1601304876298-0.post at n5.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Peter, Sounds like what you say confirms the CDI needs 5/32" or 3/16". However, I read a good suggestion (I'll try to find the link and send it) to de-core a 1/4" or 3/16" line for the first ??# of feet to wrap on the drum will allow the remainder to coil up. This gives you a larger line for a better grip. I really do dislike the small furler lines. ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 08:22:12 -0700 (MST) From: Joe Dempsey To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: <1601306532478-0.post at n5.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Matt, I, too, am an experienced sailor and found many idiosyncrasies with the Rhodes. "Respite" has the 175 jenny and i had difficulty tacking in light air. I added longer PVC shroud rollers (it came with 12"-18" rollers) I had mahogany rollers on a previous boat so being a traditionalist, I stained the PVC. See photo attached. One thing, especially in light air, try to wait for a lift to build up your speed and get the helm over hard and fast, if not you're going to be in irons before the jenny gets over. Hope this helps. ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 11:27:48 -0400 From: Matt Berman To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: <013E0C7E-2CB1-42F5-A449-89CE00BE0E64 at mattmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks. I tried it yesterday, after adding pvc pipe over the shrouds, with backfilling the genoa until after going through the wind, and it seemed to work pretty well. I also only had the genoa unfurled to about 130 or so. Weather said the wind was 6 knots, but it seemed a bit lighter than that. Thanks, --Matt > On Sep 28, 2020, at 11:22 AM, Joe Dempsey wrote: > > Matt, > I, too, am an experienced sailor and found many idiosyncrasies with the > Rhodes. "Respite" has the 175 jenny and i had difficulty tacking in light > air. I added longer PVC shroud rollers (it came with 12"-18" rollers) I had > mahogany rollers on a previous boat so being a traditionalist, I stained the > PVC. See photo attached. One thing, especially in light air, try to wait > for a lift to build up your speed and get the helm over hard and fast, if > not you're going to be in irons before the jenny gets over. Hope this > helps. > > > > > > > > ----- > Joe Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Deltaville,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 11:28:52 -0400 From: Mary Lou Troy To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: <89157f14-66ac-82ec-5962-95fd1ca6ff63 at atlanticbb.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed For any of you folks covering your shrouds or stays, remember to check frequently for corrosion as the covers can trap moisture. It's particularly an issue if the moisture you are trapping is salt water or damp salt air. When we had our boat, we used the vinyl turnbuckle covers but not the shroud covers for that reason. The turnbuckle covers were open at the bottom but we did have an issue with the sheet getting caught between the part of the turnbuckle that holds the clevis pin and the toe rail. A few wraps of rigging tape eliminated that and we did remove that at the end of the season. Mary Lou ex Rhodes 22 now Rosborough RF-246? Tara On 9/27/2020 11:22 PM, Gmorganflier wrote: > Welcome to the list Matt, > > I?m a very novice sailer and the Rhodes 22 is my first sailboat. I?ve been > out on her maybe 9 or 10 times. I have gotten better at getting the big > genny to switch sides if the winds are at least around 3-4 mph. Less then > that, I still have trouble unless I furl the sail in a bit. > > I?ve experimented with different shroud guards and my latest rendition uses > pvc...not schedule 40, but whatever the thinner version is. I use 1? > diameter for the outer tube, 3/4? for the inner tube, a 3/4? cap and 1/4? > pex up the shroud from there for maybe 5?. I drill a hole in the cap big > enough to get the 1/4 pex through. To thread the shroud through the 1/4? pex > and pvc cap you need to take the turnbuckle off so your only working with > the shroud wire and it?s threaded end. > > The 3/4? cap is almost the same diameter as the 1? pvc, but there is some > slop with the 3/4? pvc moving around inside the 1? pvc. The remedy this I > used 9 wraps of electrical tape to center the 3/4? inside the 1? and then I > used sail tape around the joint between the cap and the 1? pvc. > > The photo I?m attaching is a screen shot from a video I made this morning. > > George Morgan > S/V Knotty Lady 1986/2005 > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 08:55:31 -0700 (MST) From: NewIn76 To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler technical aspects Message-ID: <1601308531699-0.post at n5.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii All, The Rhodes 22 is the first boat I've owned with an end-boom traveler. What makes this arrangement any better than either the triangle mainsheet rigging on a Com-Pac 23 or the smaller traveler system found on early Catalina 22s? I'm not arguing against Stan or GBI conventional wisdom, I'm just trying to figure it out how the traveler adds to my experience. Why ask now? I have to rebuild my traveler system. ----- Brian 1976 Rhodes 22 Cleveland -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 12:58:53 -0400 From: Rick Lange To: NewIn76 , The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler technical aspects Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Brian, Do you have the IMF? If so, it provides perfect adjustment of the mainsail along with an obstruction free cockpit and companionway. Regards, Rick Lange On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:55 AM NewIn76 via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > All, > The Rhodes 22 is the first boat I've owned with an end-boom traveler. What > makes this arrangement any better than either the triangle mainsheet > rigging > on a Com-Pac 23 or the smaller traveler system found on early Catalina > 22s? > I'm not arguing against Stan or GBI conventional wisdom, I'm just trying to > figure it out how the traveler adds to my experience. > > Why ask now? I have to rebuild my traveler system. > > > > ----- > Brian > 1976 Rhodes 22 > Cleveland > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 10:11:04 -0700 (MST) From: NewIn76 To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler technical aspects Message-ID: <1601313064136-0.post at n5.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have a pre-IMF main. My traveler is mounted to an interesting aluminum bracket. I'm all for the unobstructed cockpit. I think I have a Frankenstein setup and basically need to re-do it. I'm just trying to get an idea of why I need a traveler. ----- Brian 1976 Rhodes 22 Cleveland -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 17:30:23 +0000 From: "Lowe, Rob" To: NewIn76 , The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler technical aspects Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Brain, Now that's an interesting set up. Can't say we've seen one like this before. I had a 76, let me see if I can find some pictures of the traveler. - rob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of NewIn76 via Rhodes22-list Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 1:11 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler technical aspects I have a pre-IMF main. My traveler is mounted to an interesting aluminum bracket. I'm all for the unobstructed cockpit. I think I have a Frankenstein setup and basically need to re-do it. I'm just trying to get an idea of why I need a traveler. ----- Brian 1976 Rhodes 22 Cleveland -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Rhodes22-list mailing list Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list ------------------------------ End of Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4262, Issue 1 ********************************************** From kensimolo at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 16:29:23 2020 From: kensimolo at gmail.com (Ken Simolo) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 13:29:23 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: For shroud covers, I used the 1/4? PVC tubing used for RO systems and sold in hardware stores etc. Our hull has blue bottom paint so I used blue PVC tubing. In order to make the installation easy, I made a simple jig - I took two small pieces of 2 x 4 and screwed their two flat faces together. Then I drilled a slightly oversized hole crosswise in the seam where the blocks of wood meet. Loosened the screws and slipped a utility blade between them near the back edge of the drilled hole with the sharp point sticking half way down the hole and the sharp edge facing the front. The first couple of inches along the length of the hole just serve as an alignment for the tubing. Then just start the tubing into the hole and pull on the split tubing as it comes out. Harder to describe abd took longer to write this than to do actually do it. To install, I just pried open a split end, pushed it up the shroud a little bit, wrapped in blue electrical tape to keep the tubing closed, then pushed more on until the tubing reached the spreaders. I know I taped the ends but I believe I taped it every so often as well. It worled real well and I have received many comments about how nice it looks. Ken From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 16:49:08 2020 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 16:49:08 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://www.ebay.com/itm/PR-SAILBOAT-SHROUD-TURNBUCKLE-COVER-PVC-STAY-MAST-12-SLEEVE-SAIL-BOAT-DINGHY/274501059378?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160323102634%26meid%3D2d994ca8cfbf405daf63b50442deaec0%26pid%3D100623%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D303566663284%26itm%3D274501059378%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DDefaultOrganic%26brand%3DSail&_trksid=p2047675.c100623.m-1 Regards, Rick Lange On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 4:29 PM Ken Simolo wrote: > For shroud covers, I used the 1/4? PVC tubing used for RO systems and sold > in hardware stores etc. Our hull has blue bottom paint so I used blue PVC > tubing. In order to make the installation easy, I made a simple jig - I > took two small pieces of 2 x 4 and screwed their two flat faces together. > Then I drilled a slightly oversized hole crosswise in the seam where the > blocks of wood meet. Loosened the screws and slipped a utility blade > between them near the back edge of the drilled hole with the sharp point > sticking half way down the hole and the sharp edge facing the front. The > first couple of inches along the length of the hole just serve as an > alignment for the tubing. Then just start the tubing into the hole and > pull on the split tubing as it comes out. Harder to describe abd took > longer to write this than to do actually do it. To install, I just pried > open a split end, pushed it up the shroud a little bit, wrapped in blue > electrical tape to keep the tubing closed, then pushed more on until the > tubing reached the spreaders. I know I taped the ends but I believe I > taped it every so often as well. It worled real well and I have received > many comments about how nice it looks. > > Ken > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Thu Oct 1 17:55:16 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 17:55:16 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website Message-ID: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> It?s been something of a slog, but I?ve finally completed the process of converting the existing rhodes22.org website content to a new format. Naturally, I think it?s a significant improvement, but you can judge for yourself. The new proposed website can be reviewed at http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22 . The largest part of the effort was moving the 'picture gallery? and ?reference pages? (formerly FAQ section) to the new format. I made new thumbnails for the pictures, making them a common size so they could be displayed in a grid. I didn?t mess with the content of the reference pages much, other than fixing non-displayable characters in the text. As I was working on these, there were a few threads on the list that I thought merited inclusion, so I added them. They have year notations at the end of their subject lines. Behind the scenes, the HTML code is better structured, and will be easier to maintain (and there?s a lot less of it). It?s almost all hand-coded HTML with a bit of CSS and Java Script. The Java Script is used, for example, to allow a single HTML page to display all of the full size pictures in the gallery. A similar approach was taken for the reference pages, documents, and cruising tales sections. The only really new content is the sections for ?About the Rhodes 22? and ?General Boats?. It seems to me that someone who comes to the website with a newly found interest in the Rhodes 22 will find useful information in these topics. The new website seems to work on Safari and Firefox browsers on my Mac, and my iPad and iPhone. I am unable to test on other platforms. Like most people, I?m not very good at proofreading my own writing. Don?t hesitate to point out typos, missing words, or misspellings. (Though I think the reference pages should be left in their original form, warts and all.) If consensus is reached at some point that this should become the ?official? website for rhodes22.org , we?ll need Mike to take the lead on that effort. Gotta go, dinner?s about to be served. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Thu Oct 1 18:49:44 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 17:49:44 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Peter, amazing work. Thank you from all of us. This seems more modern, but not flashy. It's got more information organized. And you included some "past gold" in threads from the archive. I also really like how you bring our list to the forefront for community engagement and interaction. So far I only saw one tweak; somewhere you said "the only boat [GB] has". I would change has to "makes". It drives home the point you're making more effectively: GB puts it all on this model... And lastly the link to the old version. Great. Unless it poses a security threat, I say we leave it up for those beach combers amoungst us. Anyone have thoughts there, re: security? I still maintain, with so much of our personal info floating around, we think about our exposure of it.... Keep the bots from harvesting. I have seen some increase in junk/robo calls since joining. But I want to appear legit, and the ante seemed to be locale, contact, etc. It's a tough topic.... Anyways, thank you Peter. I know Luis and I are both eager to help if you need guidance, and it seemed like Mike was supportive to keep hosting. MIKE, let us know if that's changing. I have hosting to offer too.... Great work sir!!! On Thu, Oct 1, 2020, 4:56 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > It?s been something of a slog, but I?ve finally completed the process of > converting the existing rhodes22.org website > content to a new format. Naturally, I think it?s a significant > improvement, but you can judge for yourself. The new proposed website can > be reviewed at http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22 < > http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22> . > > The largest part of the effort was moving the 'picture gallery? and > ?reference pages? (formerly FAQ section) to the new format. I made new > thumbnails for the pictures, making them a common size so they could be > displayed in a grid. I didn?t mess with the content of the reference pages > much, other than fixing non-displayable characters in the text. As I was > working on these, there were a few threads on the list that I thought > merited inclusion, so I added them. They have year notations at the end of > their subject lines. > > Behind the scenes, the HTML code is better structured, and will be easier > to maintain (and there?s a lot less of it). > > It?s almost all hand-coded HTML with a bit of CSS and Java Script. The > Java Script is used, for example, to allow a single HTML page to display > all of the full size pictures in the gallery. A similar approach was taken > for the reference pages, documents, and cruising tales sections. > > The only really new content is the sections for ?About the Rhodes 22? and > ?General Boats?. It seems to me that someone who comes to the website with > a newly found interest in the Rhodes 22 will find useful information in > these topics. > > The new website seems to work on Safari and Firefox browsers on my Mac, > and my iPad and iPhone. I am unable to test on other platforms. > > Like most people, I?m not very good at proofreading my own writing. Don?t > hesitate to point out typos, missing words, or misspellings. (Though I > think the reference pages should be left in their original form, warts and > all.) > > If consensus is reached at some point that this should become the > ?official? website for rhodes22.org , we?ll need > Mike to take the lead on that effort. > > Gotta go, dinner?s about to be served. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 19:00:20 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 19:00:20 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Wow peter that is pretty cool. How do you suggest things are added to the site? i.e. maintaining The site? Chris Geankoplis Enosis On Thu, 1 Oct 2020 at 17:56, Peter Nyberg wrote: > It?s been something of a slog, but I?ve finally completed the process of > converting the existing rhodes22.org website > content to a new format. Naturally, I think it?s a significant > improvement, but you can judge for yourself. The new proposed website can > be reviewed at http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22 < > http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22> . > > The largest part of the effort was moving the 'picture gallery? and > ?reference pages? (formerly FAQ section) to the new format. I made new > thumbnails for the pictures, making them a common size so they could be > displayed in a grid. I didn?t mess with the content of the reference pages > much, other than fixing non-displayable characters in the text. As I was > working on these, there were a few threads on the list that I thought > merited inclusion, so I added them. They have year notations at the end of > their subject lines. > > Behind the scenes, the HTML code is better structured, and will be easier > to maintain (and there?s a lot less of it). > > It?s almost all hand-coded HTML with a bit of CSS and Java Script. The > Java Script is used, for example, to allow a single HTML page to display > all of the full size pictures in the gallery. A similar approach was taken > for the reference pages, documents, and cruising tales sections. > > The only really new content is the sections for ?About the Rhodes 22? and > ?General Boats?. It seems to me that someone who comes to the website with > a newly found interest in the Rhodes 22 will find useful information in > these topics. > > The new website seems to work on Safari and Firefox browsers on my Mac, > and my iPad and iPhone. I am unable to test on other platforms. > > Like most people, I?m not very good at proofreading my own writing. Don?t > hesitate to point out typos, missing words, or misspellings. (Though I > think the reference pages should be left in their original form, warts and > all.) > > If consensus is reached at some point that this should become the > ?official? website for rhodes22.org , we?ll need > Mike to take the lead on that effort. > > Gotta go, dinner?s about to be served. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Thu Oct 1 19:06:51 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 23:06:51 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Hi All, On S/V Dynamic Equilibrium, we use turnbuckle covers from Taylor Made. A set of 6 lasts nearly forever. [cid:image002.png at 01D69826.025E6C10] We use PVC Snap-On Cable Covers from Davis Instruments to cover the shrouds and make them more slippery. This snap-on cover is sold in 6 foot lengths. One 6 foot piece per shroud is sufficient. The PVC will get embrittled by the sun after a couple of seasons; but, it?s cheap enough to replace as required. [cid:image006.png at 01D69826.025E6C10] Both of these products are available from West Marine ( www.westmarine.com ) . Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 79FB215336EB463F90B1CEED798DCDBF.png Type: image/png Size: 318694 bytes Desc: 79FB215336EB463F90B1CEED798DCDBF.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There a 360? tour out somewhere, done at Annapolis a few years ago. Is that available too? Alex ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 21:11:36 2020 From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 21:11:36 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Brilliant! Thank you, from a soon to be owner of a recycled Rhodes 22 Reuben Mezrich Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore Cell: 410-499-8922 On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 5:56 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > It?s been something of a slog, but I?ve finally completed the process of > converting the existing rhodes22.org website > content to a new format. Naturally, I think it?s a significant > improvement, but you can judge for yourself. The new proposed website can > be reviewed at http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22 < > http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22> . > > The largest part of the effort was moving the 'picture gallery? and > ?reference pages? (formerly FAQ section) to the new format. I made new > thumbnails for the pictures, making them a common size so they could be > displayed in a grid. I didn?t mess with the content of the reference pages > much, other than fixing non-displayable characters in the text. As I was > working on these, there were a few threads on the list that I thought > merited inclusion, so I added them. They have year notations at the end of > their subject lines. > > Behind the scenes, the HTML code is better structured, and will be easier > to maintain (and there?s a lot less of it). > > It?s almost all hand-coded HTML with a bit of CSS and Java Script. The > Java Script is used, for example, to allow a single HTML page to display > all of the full size pictures in the gallery. A similar approach was taken > for the reference pages, documents, and cruising tales sections. > > The only really new content is the sections for ?About the Rhodes 22? and > ?General Boats?. It seems to me that someone who comes to the website with > a newly found interest in the Rhodes 22 will find useful information in > these topics. > > The new website seems to work on Safari and Firefox browsers on my Mac, > and my iPad and iPhone. I am unable to test on other platforms. > > Like most people, I?m not very good at proofreading my own writing. Don?t > hesitate to point out typos, missing words, or misspellings. (Though I > think the reference pages should be left in their original form, warts and > all.) > > If consensus is reached at some point that this should become the > ?official? website for rhodes22.org , we?ll need > Mike to take the lead on that effort. > > Gotta go, dinner?s about to be served. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Thu Oct 1 21:14:11 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 20:14:11 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: <1601596870297-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> <1601596870297-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 1, 2020, 7:01 PM S/V Lark wrote: > I love it. My only thought is a call for more current era photos, to be > used or not based on arbitrary artistic judgement without concern for hurt > feelings. The cover photo is great. > > I was looking at my website company?s monthly report today. It was > interesting to see key search words, how short the average duration of > visit > was, etc. > > I saw the link to your youtube channel. Great. Can you also imbed a > short loop of the boat under sail? There a 360? tour out somewhere, done > at Annapolis a few years ago. Is that available too? > > Alex > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20200730_204146.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 674622 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mweisner at ebsmed.com Thu Oct 1 21:25:14 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 21:25:14 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <003001d6985a$e2256b30$a6704190$@ebsmed.com> I like the new website very much. I think that it brings us to a much more friendly format. It is much easier to navigate and SEARCH! Did I say how much I love the Google enhanced search bar? Are the email list pages live? Is the archives page simply cloned or is it continuously updated? Do you have a site map? How many pages are involved? I'm sure that it is an easy task to move the new pages to the existing web server. Are the links to images and content relative to the website or will we need to redirect? Keeping the old website alive and linked should be easy. Is there a way to make the pages reformat if the browser width is changed? The text does not seem to flow (wrap) when the width is changed. This is very important for the different browsers in use and the ability to display on tablets and phones. Do we need to generate a "responsive" design to support all of these devices? Is it possible to keep the left hand navigation menu visible at all times, regardless of how far down the page the user scrolls? I find it annoying to have to scroll back to the top to access the navigation. Have you changed the "reference pages" or just copied them from the old "blew skies" website? All in all it is a very impressive and fast website. Mike s/v Windlass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2020 5:55 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website It?s been something of a slog, but I?ve finally completed the process of converting the existing rhodes22.org website content to a new format. Naturally, I think it?s a significant improvement, but you can judge for yourself. The new proposed website can be reviewed at http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22 . The largest part of the effort was moving the 'picture gallery? and ?reference pages? (formerly FAQ section) to the new format. I made new thumbnails for the pictures, making them a common size so they could be displayed in a grid. I didn?t mess with the content of the reference pages much, other than fixing non-displayable characters in the text. As I was working on these, there were a few threads on the list that I thought merited inclusion, so I added them. They have year notations at the end of their subject lines. Behind the scenes, the HTML code is better structured, and will be easier to maintain (and there?s a lot less of it). It?s almost all hand-coded HTML with a bit of CSS and Java Script. The Java Script is used, for example, to allow a single HTML page to display all of the full size pictures in the gallery. A similar approach was taken for the reference pages, documents, and cruising tales sections. The only really new content is the sections for ?About the Rhodes 22? and ?General Boats?. It seems to me that someone who comes to the website with a newly found interest in the Rhodes 22 will find useful information in these topics. The new website seems to work on Safari and Firefox browsers on my Mac, and my iPad and iPhone. I am unable to test on other platforms. Like most people, I?m not very good at proofreading my own writing. Don?t hesitate to point out typos, missing words, or misspellings. (Though I think the reference pages should be left in their original form, warts and all.) If consensus is reached at some point that this should become the ?official? website for rhodes22.org , we?ll need Mike to take the lead on that effort. Gotta go, dinner?s about to be served. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)= From john_carlson at mac.com Thu Oct 1 21:32:28 2020 From: john_carlson at mac.com (John Carlson) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 20:32:28 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <4CFB3B16-B727-4843-A9BB-13B7C83B5042@mac.com> That?s a big improvement - very nice work! ? John Lillipelli > On Oct 1, 2020, at 4:55 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > It?s been something of a slog, but I?ve finally completed the process of converting the existing rhodes22.org website content to a new format. Naturally, I think it?s a significant improvement, but you can judge for yourself. The new proposed website can be reviewed at http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22 . > > The largest part of the effort was moving the 'picture gallery? and ?reference pages? (formerly FAQ section) to the new format. I made new thumbnails for the pictures, making them a common size so they could be displayed in a grid. I didn?t mess with the content of the reference pages much, other than fixing non-displayable characters in the text. As I was working on these, there were a few threads on the list that I thought merited inclusion, so I added them. They have year notations at the end of their subject lines. > > Behind the scenes, the HTML code is better structured, and will be easier to maintain (and there?s a lot less of it). > > It?s almost all hand-coded HTML with a bit of CSS and Java Script. The Java Script is used, for example, to allow a single HTML page to display all of the full size pictures in the gallery. A similar approach was taken for the reference pages, documents, and cruising tales sections. > > The only really new content is the sections for ?About the Rhodes 22? and ?General Boats?. It seems to me that someone who comes to the website with a newly found interest in the Rhodes 22 will find useful information in these topics. > > The new website seems to work on Safari and Firefox browsers on my Mac, and my iPad and iPhone. I am unable to test on other platforms. > > Like most people, I?m not very good at proofreading my own writing. Don?t hesitate to point out typos, missing words, or misspellings. (Though I think the reference pages should be left in their original form, warts and all.) > > If consensus is reached at some point that this should become the ?official? website for rhodes22.org , we?ll need Mike to take the lead on that effort. > > Gotta go, dinner?s about to be served. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) From peter at sunnybeeches.com Thu Oct 1 21:34:52 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 21:34:52 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Tom, Thanks for the kind words. I took a look at the tweak you suggested, thinking you had a good point, but the whole paragraph is: ?The Rhodes 22 is the only boat made by General Boats. There's no larger model to move you up to. So they put the features into the only model they have.? I?m no english major, and I write by what sounds right with knowing any rules. I think the first sentence makes it clear we?re talking about boats made my General Boats, and somehow having ?made by? in the first sentence paired with ?the only model they make? in the last sentence, grates on my ears a little. I could be convinced I?m wrong on that though. The link to the old site is definitely not something I?m wedded to. My initial thought in putting it there was that it gave people an easy way to compare new vs. old and maybe point out something I?d overlooked. If there are security or privacy issues that need to be addressed in the development of the new site, someone else is going to have to spearhead that issue. It?s just not something I know anything about. Of course, I?m willing to help out where I can. ?Peter > On Oct 1, 2020, at 6:49 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: > > Peter, amazing work. > Thank you from all of us. > > This seems more modern, but not flashy. It's got more information > organized. And you included some "past gold" in threads from the archive. > > I also really like how you bring our list to the forefront for community > engagement and interaction. > > So far I only saw one tweak; somewhere you said "the only boat [GB] has". I > would change has to "makes". It drives home the point you're making more > effectively: GB puts it all on this model... > > And lastly the link to the old version. Great. Unless it poses a security > threat, I say we leave it up for those beach combers amoungst us. Anyone > have thoughts there, re: security? > > I still maintain, with so much of our personal info floating around, we > think about our exposure of it.... Keep the bots from harvesting. I have > seen some increase in junk/robo calls since joining. But I want to appear > legit, and the ante seemed to be locale, contact, etc. It's a tough > topic.... > > > Anyways, thank you Peter. I know Luis and I are both eager to help if you > need guidance, and it seemed like Mike was supportive to keep hosting. > MIKE, let us know if that's changing. I have hosting to offer too.... > > Great work sir!!! > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2020, 4:56 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > >> It?s been something of a slog, but I?ve finally completed the process of >> converting the existing rhodes22.org website >> content to a new format. Naturally, I think it?s a significant >> improvement, but you can judge for yourself. The new proposed website can >> be reviewed at http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22 < >> http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22> . >> >> The largest part of the effort was moving the 'picture gallery? and >> ?reference pages? (formerly FAQ section) to the new format. I made new >> thumbnails for the pictures, making them a common size so they could be >> displayed in a grid. I didn?t mess with the content of the reference pages >> much, other than fixing non-displayable characters in the text. As I was >> working on these, there were a few threads on the list that I thought >> merited inclusion, so I added them. They have year notations at the end of >> their subject lines. >> >> Behind the scenes, the HTML code is better structured, and will be easier >> to maintain (and there?s a lot less of it). >> >> It?s almost all hand-coded HTML with a bit of CSS and Java Script. The >> Java Script is used, for example, to allow a single HTML page to display >> all of the full size pictures in the gallery. A similar approach was taken >> for the reference pages, documents, and cruising tales sections. >> >> The only really new content is the sections for ?About the Rhodes 22? and >> ?General Boats?. It seems to me that someone who comes to the website with >> a newly found interest in the Rhodes 22 will find useful information in >> these topics. >> >> The new website seems to work on Safari and Firefox browsers on my Mac, >> and my iPad and iPhone. I am unable to test on other platforms. >> >> Like most people, I?m not very good at proofreading my own writing. Don?t >> hesitate to point out typos, missing words, or misspellings. (Though I >> think the reference pages should be left in their original form, warts and >> all.) >> >> If consensus is reached at some point that this should become the >> ?official? website for rhodes22.org , we?ll need >> Mike to take the lead on that effort. >> >> Gotta go, dinner?s about to be served. >> >> Peter Nyberg >> Coventry, CT >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) From peter at sunnybeeches.com Thu Oct 1 21:47:33 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 21:47:33 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Chris, I think that Luis may have some ideas about members being able to add content to the site. The would require web-app skills that are beyond me. It wouldn?t be hard for almost anyone to learn how to add new content to the site. for example new pictures or reference topics. The issues are probably more editorial than technical. ?Peter > On Oct 1, 2020, at 7:00 PM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: > > Wow peter that is pretty cool. How do you suggest things are added to the > site? i.e. maintaining The site? > Chris Geankoplis > Enosis > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Thu Oct 1 21:56:19 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 21:56:19 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: <1601596870297-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> <1601596870297-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <471196B2-8ED7-42DD-81EF-05AEA250CAC4@sunnybeeches.com> More recent photos would be nice. I don?t know if there?s any way to harvest these from the archives, as one possible source. If someone can provide links to the videos you?d like to see added to the site, there?s no reason they can?t be added. ?Peter > On Oct 1, 2020, at 8:01 PM, S/V Lark wrote: > > I love it. My only thought is a call for more current era photos, to be > used or not based on arbitrary artistic judgement without concern for hurt > feelings. The cover photo is great. > > I was looking at my website company?s monthly report today. It was > interesting to see key search words, how short the average duration of visit > was, etc. > > I saw the link to your youtube channel. Great. Can you also imbed a > short loop of the boat under sail? There a 360? tour out somewhere, done > at Annapolis a few years ago. Is that available too? > > Alex > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From peter at sunnybeeches.com Thu Oct 1 21:58:56 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 21:58:56 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> <1601596870297-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Tom, That?s beautiful. Is that your boat? I?ll find a place for that somewhere. ?Peter > On Oct 1, 2020, at 9:14 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2020, 7:01 PM S/V Lark wrote: > >> I love it. My only thought is a call for more current era photos, to be >> used or not based on arbitrary artistic judgement without concern for hurt >> feelings. The cover photo is great. >> >> I was looking at my website company?s monthly report today. It was >> interesting to see key search words, how short the average duration of >> visit >> was, etc. >> >> I saw the link to your youtube channel. Great. Can you also imbed a >> short loop of the boat under sail? There a 360? tour out somewhere, done >> at Annapolis a few years ago. Is that available too? >> >> Alex >> >> >> >> ----- >> Alex Cole >> S/V Lark >> -- >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_20200730_204146.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 674622 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Thu Oct 1 22:09:12 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 22:09:12 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <023601d69861$072456c0$156d0440$@ca> Nice job Peter. I like it. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2020 5:55 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website It?s been something of a slog, but I?ve finally completed the process of converting the existing rhodes22.org website content to a new format. Naturally, I think it?s a significant improvement, but you can judge for yourself. The new proposed website can be reviewed at http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22 . The largest part of the effort was moving the 'picture gallery? and ?reference pages? (formerly FAQ section) to the new format. I made new thumbnails for the pictures, making them a common size so they could be displayed in a grid. I didn?t mess with the content of the reference pages much, other than fixing non-displayable characters in the text. As I was working on these, there were a few threads on the list that I thought merited inclusion, so I added them. They have year notations at the end of their subject lines. Behind the scenes, the HTML code is better structured, and will be easier to maintain (and there?s a lot less of it). It?s almost all hand-coded HTML with a bit of CSS and Java Script. The Java Script is used, for example, to allow a single HTML page to display all of the full size pictures in the gallery. A similar approach was taken for the reference pages, documents, and cruising tales sections. The only really new content is the sections for ?About the Rhodes 22? and ?General Boats?. It seems to me that someone who comes to the website with a newly found interest in the Rhodes 22 will find useful information in these topics. The new website seems to work on Safari and Firefox browsers on my Mac, and my iPad and iPhone. I am unable to test on other platforms. Like most people, I?m not very good at proofreading my own writing. Don?t hesitate to point out typos, missing words, or misspellings. (Though I think the reference pages should be left in their original form, warts and all.) If consensus is reached at some point that this should become the ?official? website for rhodes22.org , we?ll need Mike to take the lead on that effort. Gotta go, dinner?s about to be served. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Thu Oct 1 22:25:15 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 22:25:15 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: <471196B2-8ED7-42DD-81EF-05AEA250CAC4@sunnybeeches.com> References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> <1601596870297-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <471196B2-8ED7-42DD-81EF-05AEA250CAC4@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <023701d69863$46348680$d29d9380$@ca> As I recall someone collected a number of current photos for the Annapolis boat show and I think Stan's 90th. Was it Chris? Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2020 9:56 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website More recent photos would be nice. I don?t know if there?s any way to harvest these from the archives, as one possible source. If someone can provide links to the videos you?d like to see added to the site, there?s no reason they can?t be added. ?Peter > On Oct 1, 2020, at 8:01 PM, S/V Lark wrote: > > I love it. My only thought is a call for more current era photos, to be > used or not based on arbitrary artistic judgement without concern for hurt > feelings. The cover photo is great. > > I was looking at my website company?s monthly report today. It was > interesting to see key search words, how short the average duration of visit > was, etc. > > I saw the link to your youtube channel. Great. Can you also imbed a > short loop of the boat under sail? There a 360? tour out somewhere, done > at Annapolis a few years ago. Is that available too? > > Alex > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From tavares0947 at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 22:34:35 2020 From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 22:34:35 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Peter, When viewed on my phone and tablet, when I open the pages from the button side bar, the titles in the title bar of each page have white text superimposed over the black text. Todd T tavares0947 at gmail.com On Thu, Oct 1, 2020, 5:56 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > It?s been something of a slog, but I?ve finally completed the process of > converting the existing rhodes22.org website > content to a new format. Naturally, I think it?s a significant > improvement, but you can judge for yourself. The new proposed website can > be reviewed at http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22 < > http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22> . > > The largest part of the effort was moving the 'picture gallery? and > ?reference pages? (formerly FAQ section) to the new format. I made new > thumbnails for the pictures, making them a common size so they could be > displayed in a grid. I didn?t mess with the content of the reference pages > much, other than fixing non-displayable characters in the text. As I was > working on these, there were a few threads on the list that I thought > merited inclusion, so I added them. They have year notations at the end of > their subject lines. > > Behind the scenes, the HTML code is better structured, and will be easier > to maintain (and there?s a lot less of it). > > It?s almost all hand-coded HTML with a bit of CSS and Java Script. The > Java Script is used, for example, to allow a single HTML page to display > all of the full size pictures in the gallery. A similar approach was taken > for the reference pages, documents, and cruising tales sections. > > The only really new content is the sections for ?About the Rhodes 22? and > ?General Boats?. It seems to me that someone who comes to the website with > a newly found interest in the Rhodes 22 will find useful information in > these topics. > > The new website seems to work on Safari and Firefox browsers on my Mac, > and my iPad and iPhone. I am unable to test on other platforms. > > Like most people, I?m not very good at proofreading my own writing. Don?t > hesitate to point out typos, missing words, or misspellings. (Though I > think the reference pages should be left in their original form, warts and > all.) > > If consensus is reached at some point that this should become the > ?official? website for rhodes22.org , we?ll need > Mike to take the lead on that effort. > > Gotta go, dinner?s about to be served. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) From peter at sunnybeeches.com Thu Oct 1 22:59:11 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 22:59:11 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: <003001d6985a$e2256b30$a6704190$@ebsmed.com> References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> <003001d6985a$e2256b30$a6704190$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: <49FB8EE8-6F46-4402-A8CB-92314BACB61B@sunnybeeches.com> Mike, Thank you. I?m not sure how much I trust the Google search thingy. I?ve tested it a few times, comping its results with using the ?site:? option in a normal search. The results seem close, but not identical. The email list archive page is live. Every time you click on it, the latest stuff is in there. I?ll work on producing a site map. There are a total of 22 what I?d call ?primary? web pages. The whole tree contains 647 items and is about 76 MB in size. All internal links are relative, but they may not be in the same relative position now that they were before. Tom seems to have some concerns about keeping the old website alive, which I will admit I do not understand. But it did occur to me that If we do keep it accessible, we may want to fence it off from Google indexing so that pages don?t show up in search results twice. Content should reformat if the browser width is changed. I don?t think that?s something you have much influence on in the HTML. I?ll take a look. The new website did seem to display and work OK on my iPad and iPhone. Others will have to comment on different devices, though this could easily get beyond my skill set. As to the scrolling of the left side navigation bar ? I dunno. I?m guessing that it would not be a small change, The ?reference pages?: The way it was on the ?blew skies? site was that each individual topic was a fully independent web page (and not a pretty one from a code perspective). I stripped the outer HTML wrappers off these pages leaving mostly the core text. I created a common page that can display any individual topic. The main ?reference pages? page passes the name of the topic page to the common page, and a bit of Java Script creates a bit of dynamic HTML to display a complete page. So, the way the ?reference pages? works is pretty different, but the content is mostly unchanged. I cleaned things up a little around the edges. ?Peter > On Oct 1, 2020, at 9:25 PM, Michael D. Weisner wrote: > > I like the new website very much. I think that it brings us to a much more friendly format. It is much easier to navigate and SEARCH! Did I say how much I love the Google enhanced search bar? > > Are the email list pages live? Is the archives page simply cloned or is it continuously updated? > > Do you have a site map? How many pages are involved? I'm sure that it is an easy task to move the new pages to the existing web server. Are the links to images and content relative to the website or will we need to redirect? > > Keeping the old website alive and linked should be easy. > > Is there a way to make the pages reformat if the browser width is changed? The text does not seem to flow (wrap) when the width is changed. This is very important for the different browsers in use and the ability to display on tablets and phones. Do we need to generate a "responsive" design to support all of these devices? > > Is it possible to keep the left hand navigation menu visible at all times, regardless of how far down the page the user scrolls? I find it annoying to have to scroll back to the top to access the navigation. > > Have you changed the "reference pages" or just copied them from the old "blew skies" website? > > All in all it is a very impressive and fast website. > > Mike > s/v Windlass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg > Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2020 5:55 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website > > It?s been something of a slog, but I?ve finally completed the process of converting the existing rhodes22.org website content to a new format. Naturally, I think it?s a significant improvement, but you can judge for yourself. The new proposed website can be reviewed at http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22 . > > The largest part of the effort was moving the 'picture gallery? and ?reference pages? (formerly FAQ section) to the new format. I made new thumbnails for the pictures, making them a common size so they could be displayed in a grid. I didn?t mess with the content of the reference pages much, other than fixing non-displayable characters in the text. As I was working on these, there were a few threads on the list that I thought merited inclusion, so I added them. They have year notations at the end of their subject lines. > > Behind the scenes, the HTML code is better structured, and will be easier to maintain (and there?s a lot less of it). > > It?s almost all hand-coded HTML with a bit of CSS and Java Script. The Java Script is used, for example, to allow a single HTML page to display all of the full size pictures in the gallery. A similar approach was taken for the reference pages, documents, and cruising tales sections. > > The only really new content is the sections for ?About the Rhodes 22? and ?General Boats?. It seems to me that someone who comes to the website with a newly found interest in the Rhodes 22 will find useful information in these topics. > > The new website seems to work on Safari and Firefox browsers on my Mac, and my iPad and iPhone. I am unable to test on other platforms. > > Like most people, I?m not very good at proofreading my own writing. Don?t hesitate to point out typos, missing words, or misspellings. (Though I think the reference pages should be left in their original form, warts and all.) > > If consensus is reached at some point that this should become the ?official? website for rhodes22.org , we?ll need Mike to take the lead on that effort. > > Gotta go, dinner?s about to be served. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)= > From bobfcohen at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 23:27:15 2020 From: bobfcohen at gmail.com (bobfcohen at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 23:27:15 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Thank You Message-ID: <043701d6986b$ed25fa20$c771ee60$@gmail.com> I want to thank Jesse Shumaker who, after completing his sail on Grand Traverse Bay and Lake Michigan, made a long drive to Onekama today to help my wife and me take down the mast on our Rhodes 22 "Silver Bay". We look forward to you returning to these waters next June, Jesse, and going sailing with us. Bob Cohen From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Fri Oct 2 05:43:17 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 05:43:17 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: <023701d69863$46348680$d29d9380$@ca> References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> <1601596870297-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <471196B2-8ED7-42DD-81EF-05AEA250CAC4@sunnybeeches.com> <023701d69863$46348680$d29d9380$@ca> Message-ID: Yes Chris G of Enosis persuasion does have them. Chris G Enosis On Thu, 1 Oct 2020 at 22:25, Graham Stewart wrote: > As I recall someone collected a number of current photos for the Annapolis > boat show and I think Stan's 90th. Was it Chris? > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of Peter Nyberg > Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2020 9:56 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website > > More recent photos would be nice. I don?t know if there?s any way to > harvest these from the archives, as one possible source. > > If someone can provide links to the videos you?d like to see added to the > site, there?s no reason they can?t be added. > > ?Peter > > > On Oct 1, 2020, at 8:01 PM, S/V Lark wrote: > > > > I love it. My only thought is a call for more current era photos, to be > > used or not based on arbitrary artistic judgement without concern for > hurt > > feelings. The cover photo is great. > > > > I was looking at my website company?s monthly report today. It was > > interesting to see key search words, how short the average duration of > visit > > was, etc. > > > > I saw the link to your youtube channel. Great. Can you also imbed > a > > short loop of the boat under sail? There a 360? tour out somewhere, > done > > at Annapolis a few years ago. Is that available too? > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > ----- > > Alex Cole > > S/V Lark > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Fri Oct 2 08:18:27 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 07:18:27 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> <1601596870297-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: It is!!! Thanks Peter. On Thu, Oct 1, 2020, 8:59 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > Tom, > > That?s beautiful. Is that your boat? I?ll find a place for that > somewhere. > > ?Peter > > > > On Oct 1, 2020, at 9:14 PM, Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2020, 7:01 PM S/V Lark wrote: > > > >> I love it. My only thought is a call for more current era photos, to > be > >> used or not based on arbitrary artistic judgement without concern for > hurt > >> feelings. The cover photo is great. > >> > >> I was looking at my website company?s monthly report today. It was > >> interesting to see key search words, how short the average duration of > >> visit > >> was, etc. > >> > >> I saw the link to your youtube channel. Great. Can you also > imbed a > >> short loop of the boat under sail? There a 360? tour out somewhere, > done > >> at Annapolis a few years ago. Is that available too? > >> > >> Alex > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- > >> Alex Cole > >> S/V Lark > >> -- > >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > >> > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_20200730_204146.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 674622 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201001/284acc3c/attachment.jpg > > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Fri Oct 2 09:09:01 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 09:09:01 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Thank You In-Reply-To: <043701d6986b$ed25fa20$c771ee60$@gmail.com> References: <043701d6986b$ed25fa20$c771ee60$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Bob, it was so nice to meet you and your wife Cathy. You certainly live in a beautiful part of the country and it was a pleasant drive down from Glen Arbor. For a Nebraskan sailor, a trip to Northern Michigan is quite the treat since there is so much water between Lake Michigan, Grand Traverse Bay and it's little bays, and the many lakes that connect to Lake Michigan. When I get home, I'll put together a brief recap of the trip in case anyone might find that helpful for planning a road trip to this area with their boat. After connecting with Rhodes 22 sailors on the list over the last year, it was nice to meet you in person. I look forward to going sailing with you on your boat next summer when we visit at the end of June. Jesse S/V Zephyr On Thu, Oct 1, 2020, 11:27 PM wrote: > I want to thank Jesse Shumaker who, after completing his sail on Grand > Traverse Bay and Lake Michigan, made a long drive to Onekama today to help > my wife and me take down the mast on our Rhodes 22 "Silver Bay". We look > forward to you returning to these waters next June, Jesse, and going > sailing with us. > Bob Cohen > > > From rlowe at vt.edu Fri Oct 2 10:01:03 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 14:01:03 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Peter, Thanks so much for taking the time and effort to do this. I like the look and feel. It's got an old time look but functions well. The Reference Pages, Documents Library, Cruising Tales, and Other Resources areas are great. I won't speak to the technical points raised by others, but from a content and ease us use perspective, I think you've nailed it. Thanks! - Rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Peter Nyberg Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2020 5:55 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website It?s been something of a slog, but I?ve finally completed the process of converting the existing rhodes22.org website content to a new format. Naturally, I think it?s a significant improvement, but you can judge for yourself. The new proposed website can be reviewed at http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22 . The largest part of the effort was moving the 'picture gallery? and ?reference pages? (formerly FAQ section) to the new format. I made new thumbnails for the pictures, making them a common size so they could be displayed in a grid. I didn?t mess with the content of the reference pages much, other than fixing non-displayable characters in the text. As I was working on these, there were a few threads on the list that I thought merited inclusion, so I added them. They have year notations at the end of their subject lines. Behind the scenes, the HTML code is better structured, and will be easier to maintain (and there?s a lot less of it). It?s almost all hand-coded HTML with a bit of CSS and Java Script. The Java Script is used, for example, to allow a single HTML page to display all of the full size pictures in the gallery. A similar approach was taken for the reference pages, documents, and cruising tales sections. The only really new content is the sections for ?About the Rhodes 22? and ?General Boats?. It seems to me that someone who comes to the website with a newly found interest in the Rhodes 22 will find useful information in these topics. The new website seems to work on Safari and Firefox browsers on my Mac, and my iPad and iPhone. I am unable to test on other platforms. Like most people, I?m not very good at proofreading my own writing. Don?t hesitate to point out typos, missing words, or misspellings. (Though I think the reference pages should be left in their original form, warts and all.) If consensus is reached at some point that this should become the ?official? website for rhodes22.org , we?ll need Mike to take the lead on that effort. Gotta go, dinner?s about to be served. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) From peter at sunnybeeches.com Fri Oct 2 10:52:55 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 10:52:55 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: <471196B2-8ED7-42DD-81EF-05AEA250CAC4@sunnybeeches.com> References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> <1601596870297-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <471196B2-8ED7-42DD-81EF-05AEA250CAC4@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Actually, I found the Boat Show walk-around video. I had it in a playlist on my own YouTube channel. I?ve added it to the ?Other Resources? page. ?Peter > On Oct 1, 2020, at 9:56 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > More recent photos would be nice. I don?t know if there?s any way to harvest these from the archives, as one possible source. > > If someone can provide links to the videos you?d like to see added to the site, there?s no reason they can?t be added. > > ?Peter > >> On Oct 1, 2020, at 8:01 PM, S/V Lark wrote: >> >> I love it. My only thought is a call for more current era photos, to be >> used or not based on arbitrary artistic judgement without concern for hurt >> feelings. The cover photo is great. >> >> I was looking at my website company?s monthly report today. It was >> interesting to see key search words, how short the average duration of visit >> was, etc. >> >> I saw the link to your youtube channel. Great. Can you also imbed a >> short loop of the boat under sail? There a 360? tour out somewhere, done >> at Annapolis a few years ago. Is that available too? >> >> Alex >> >> >> >> ----- >> Alex Cole >> S/V Lark >> -- >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Fri Oct 2 10:57:28 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 10:57:28 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> <1601596870297-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <471196B2-8ED7-42DD-81EF-05AEA250CAC4@sunnybeeches.com> <023701d69863$46348680$d29d9380$@ca> Message-ID: Chris, Can you email them to me? peter at sunnybeeches.com ?Peter > On Oct 2, 2020, at 5:43 AM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: > > Yes Chris G of Enosis persuasion does have them. > Chris G > Enosis > > On Thu, 1 Oct 2020 at 22:25, Graham Stewart wrote: > >> As I recall someone collected a number of current photos for the Annapolis >> boat show and I think Stan's 90th. Was it Chris? >> >> Graham Stewart >> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 >> Kingston Ontario From keywestseccorp at verizon.net Fri Oct 2 10:58:16 2020 From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 14:58:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> <1601596870297-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <471196B2-8ED7-42DD-81EF-05AEA250CAC4@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <161982569.1127394.1601650696984@mail.yahoo.com> nice work on site thank you Mark? -----Original Message----- From: Peter Nyberg To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Sent: Fri, Oct 2, 2020 10:52 am Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website Actually, I found the Boat Show walk-around video.? I had it in a playlist on my own YouTube channel.? I?ve added it to the ?Other Resources? page. ?Peter > On Oct 1, 2020, at 9:56 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > More recent photos would be nice.? I don?t know if there?s any way to harvest these from the archives, as one possible source. > > If someone can provide links to the videos you?d like to see added to the site, there?s no reason they can?t be added. > > ?Peter > >> On Oct 1, 2020, at 8:01 PM, S/V Lark wrote: >> >> I love it.? My only thought is a call for more current era photos, to be >> used or not based on arbitrary artistic judgement without concern for hurt >> feelings.? The cover photo is great.? >> >> I was looking at my website company?s monthly report today.? ? It was >> interesting to see key search words, how short the average duration of visit >> was, etc.? >> >> I saw the link to your youtube channel.? ? Great.? ? Can you also imbed a >> short loop of the boat under sail?? ? There a 360? tour out somewhere, done >> at Annapolis a few years ago.? Is that available too? >> >> Alex >> >> >> >> ----- >> Alex Cole >> S/V Lark >> -- >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From gramille at tds.net Fri Oct 2 13:06:09 2020 From: gramille at tds.net (gramille) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 10:06:09 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <1601658369771-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Really nice job Peter. Thank you, it is much easier to access previous topics . However I miss the way Da List pops up in the present format. Perhaps I am being thick and just have not found the right button, but will there be a way to view it as it currently is? If not how do I navigate to the nearest equivalency ? Graham s/v 00Sailin -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From dlet3 at aol.com Fri Oct 2 13:31:03 2020 From: dlet3 at aol.com (DANA LETENDRE) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 13:31:03 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49D924E0-2FB8-4480-A36F-D1D7A5094E6A@aol.com> Peter, What HUGE amount of effort you have donated, and it looks (and feels) great! Of course, I LOVE seeing my boat (Caye Dreams) displayed on the home page (I sent the pic to Stan several months ago, he liked it and put it up on one of his pages, which I guess is where you found it.) Thank You! Dana LeTendre ?Caye Dreams? San Pedro, Belize Sent from my iPad ???????? On Oct 2, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Peter Nyberg wrote: ?Actually, I found the Boat Show walk-around video. I had it in a playlist on my own YouTube channel. I?ve added it to the ?Other Resources? page. ?Peter > On Oct 1, 2020, at 9:56 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > More recent photos would be nice. I don?t know if there?s any way to harvest these from the archives, as one possible source. > > If someone can provide links to the videos you?d like to see added to the site, there?s no reason they can?t be added. > > ?Peter > >>> On Oct 1, 2020, at 8:01 PM, S/V Lark wrote: >> >> I love it. My only thought is a call for more current era photos, to be >> used or not based on arbitrary artistic judgement without concern for hurt >> feelings. The cover photo is great. >> >> I was looking at my website company?s monthly report today. It was >> interesting to see key search words, how short the average duration of visit >> was, etc. >> >> I saw the link to your youtube channel. Great. Can you also imbed a >> short loop of the boat under sail? There a 360? tour out somewhere, done >> at Annapolis a few years ago. Is that available too? >> >> Alex >> >> >> >> ----- >> Alex Cole >> S/V Lark >> -- >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Fri Oct 2 13:53:29 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 13:53:29 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Todd, Sorry to hear you?re having issues. If by ?title bar? you?re referring to the section that reads ?The Rhodes 22 Owners? Group?, that should appear as white text on a dark blue background. On the other hand, a page title like ?The Rhodes 22 Owner?s Group Email List? should appear as black text on a white background. I have no idea why your phone and tablet browsers would be showing anything different. What model phone and tablet are you using? ?Peter > On Oct 1, 2020, at 10:34 PM, Todd Tavares wrote: > > Peter, > > When viewed on my phone and tablet, when I open the pages from the button > side bar, the titles in the title bar of each page have white text > superimposed over the black text. > > Todd T > > > tavares0947 at gmail.com > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Fri Oct 2 14:00:26 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 14:00:26 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: <1601658369771-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> <1601658369771-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <2DF0C1CA-1D79-4D47-9252-679675C71807@sunnybeeches.com> Graham, I?m uncertain what feature of the current rhodes22.org website you?re referring to. Where is it that the list ?pops up?? Perhaps the URL of the page would get me pointed in the right direction. ?Peter > On Oct 2, 2020, at 1:06 PM, gramille wrote: > > Really nice job Peter. > Thank you, it is much easier to access previous topics . > However I miss the way Da List pops up in the present format. > Perhaps I am being thick and just have not found the right button, but will > there be a way to view it as it currently is? If not how do I navigate to > the nearest equivalency ? > Graham > s/v 00Sailin > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From jsail1 at verizon.net Fri Oct 2 14:09:24 2020 From: jsail1 at verizon.net (JAY FRIEDLAND) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 14:09:24 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Peter, Being part of the list for over 30 years, there have been valiant attempts to make it more useful. This, I believe, is the best effort yet to simplify navigating while incorporating all the old material, while adding much more content. You should be commended for this and your videos (w/ links to this site?) for further supporting all of us current and previous owners, and lookers, as well. Kudos! Jay Friedland S/V Wanderlust ?97 Long Beach Island, NJ > On Oct 2, 2020, at 1:53 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > Todd, > > Sorry to hear you?re having issues. > > If by ?title bar? you?re referring to the section that reads ?The Rhodes 22 Owners? Group?, that should appear as white text on a dark blue background. On the other hand, a page title like ?The Rhodes 22 Owner?s Group Email List? should appear as black text on a white background. I have no idea why your phone and tablet browsers would be showing anything different. > > What model phone and tablet are you using? > > ?Peter > >> On Oct 1, 2020, at 10:34 PM, Todd Tavares wrote: >> >> Peter, >> >> When viewed on my phone and tablet, when I open the pages from the button >> side bar, the titles in the title bar of each page have white text >> superimposed over the black text. >> >> Todd T >> >> >> tavares0947 at gmail.com >> > From tavares0947 at gmail.com Fri Oct 2 20:09:28 2020 From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 20:09:28 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Peter I'm not tech savvy. But no. It is once you select a page from the left menu. On the page; and I will use the Document Library page as reference, the black text at the top (in the white background area) which says Document Library has some white text over it, making it look as though the text is blotchy. On the Cruising page for instance, a lower case "p" is visible. I tried to send a screenshot but I guess the file was too large for gmail. Todd T. tavares0947 at gmail.com On Fri, Oct 2, 2020, 1:54 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > Todd, > > Sorry to hear you?re having issues. > > If by ?title bar? you?re referring to the section that reads ?The Rhodes > 22 Owners? Group?, that should appear as white text on a dark blue > background. On the other hand, a page title like ?The Rhodes 22 Owner?s > Group Email List? should appear as black text on a white background. I > have no idea why your phone and tablet browsers would be showing anything > different. > > What model phone and tablet are you using? > > ?Peter > > > On Oct 1, 2020, at 10:34 PM, Todd Tavares wrote: > > > > Peter, > > > > When viewed on my phone and tablet, when I open the pages from the button > > side bar, the titles in the title bar of each page have white text > > superimposed over the black text. > > > > Todd T > > > > > > tavares0947 at gmail.com > > > > From sprocket80 at mail.com Fri Oct 2 20:15:19 2020 From: sprocket80 at mail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2020 02:15:19 +0200 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] =?utf-8?q?=C2=A0Re=3A__The_New_Website?= Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Screenshot_20201002-201131_Gallery.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 112035 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tavares0947 at gmail.com Fri Oct 2 20:22:02 2020 From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 20:22:02 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Attempt #5. I can't send it any other way. https://www.dropbox.com/s/7ksnrjxhenxwtap/IMG_20201002_201036.jpg?dl=0 tavares0947 at gmail.com On Fri, Oct 2, 2020, 1:54 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > Todd, > > Sorry to hear you?re having issues. > > If by ?title bar? you?re referring to the section that reads ?The Rhodes > 22 Owners? Group?, that should appear as white text on a dark blue > background. On the other hand, a page title like ?The Rhodes 22 Owner?s > Group Email List? should appear as black text on a white background. I > have no idea why your phone and tablet browsers would be showing anything > different. > > What model phone and tablet are you using? > > ?Peter > > > On Oct 1, 2020, at 10:34 PM, Todd Tavares wrote: > > > > Peter, > > > > When viewed on my phone and tablet, when I open the pages from the button > > side bar, the titles in the title bar of each page have white text > > superimposed over the black text. > > > > Todd T > > > > > > tavares0947 at gmail.com > > > > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Fri Oct 2 21:04:19 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 21:04:19 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <000f01d69921$2050e030$60f2a090$@ebsmed.com> Peter, The text that is overlaying the page is "Group" in white. Mike s/v Windlass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Todd Tavares Sent: Friday, October 2, 2020 8:09 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website Peter I'm not tech savvy. But no. It is once you select a page from the left menu. On the page; and I will use the Document Library page as reference, the black text at the top (in the white background area) which says Document Library has some white text over it, making it look as though the text is blotchy. On the Cruising page for instance, a lower case "p" is visible. I tried to send a screenshot but I guess the file was too large for gmail. Todd T. tavares0947 at gmail.com On Fri, Oct 2, 2020, 1:54 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > Todd, > > Sorry to hear you?re having issues. > > If by ?title bar? you?re referring to the section that reads ?The > Rhodes > 22 Owners? Group?, that should appear as white text on a dark blue > background. On the other hand, a page title like ?The Rhodes 22 > Owner?s Group Email List? should appear as black text on a white > background. I have no idea why your phone and tablet browsers would > be showing anything different. > > What model phone and tablet are you using? > > ?Peter > > > On Oct 1, 2020, at 10:34 PM, Todd Tavares wrote: > > > > Peter, > > > > When viewed on my phone and tablet, when I open the pages from the > > button side bar, the titles in the title bar of each page have white > > text superimposed over the black text. > > > > Todd T > > > > > > tavares0947 at gmail.com > > > > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Fri Oct 2 21:13:35 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 21:13:35 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Todd, Thanks for your perseverance in sending the screen shot. I understand what you?re seeing much better, but unfortunately have no idea ? Wait, Mike just sent an email saying the white text that?s overlaying the black text is the work ?Group?. I still don?t see it, but it makes sense. So, when you?re looking at the ?Cruising Tales? page (that?s what was in the picture), does the area at the top of the page say ?The Rhodes 22 Owners? Group?? Or, is the word ?Group? missing from that area? ?Peter > On Oct 2, 2020, at 8:09 PM, Todd Tavares wrote: > > Peter > I'm not tech savvy. But no. > It is once you select a page from the left menu. On the page; and I will > use the Document Library page as reference, the black text at the top (in > the white background area) which says Document Library has some white text > over it, making it look as though the text is blotchy. On the Cruising page > for instance, a lower case "p" is visible. > I tried to send a screenshot but I guess the file was too large for gmail. > > Todd T. > > tavares0947 at gmail.com > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2020, 1:54 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > >> Todd, >> >> Sorry to hear you?re having issues. >> >> If by ?title bar? you?re referring to the section that reads ?The Rhodes >> 22 Owners? Group?, that should appear as white text on a dark blue >> background. On the other hand, a page title like ?The Rhodes 22 Owner?s >> Group Email List? should appear as black text on a white background. I >> have no idea why your phone and tablet browsers would be showing anything >> different. >> >> What model phone and tablet are you using? >> >> ?Peter >> >>> On Oct 1, 2020, at 10:34 PM, Todd Tavares wrote: >>> >>> Peter, >>> >>> When viewed on my phone and tablet, when I open the pages from the button >>> side bar, the titles in the title bar of each page have white text >>> superimposed over the black text. >>> >>> Todd T >>> >>> >>> tavares0947 at gmail.com >>> >> >> From mweisner at ebsmed.com Fri Oct 2 21:56:56 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 21:56:56 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <001101d69928$7a3232a0$6e9697e0$@ebsmed.com> Peter, The problem is easiest to see on a chrome browser on an android phone. It is being caused by overflow of the word "Group" from the following html:
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I tested the Email List page by removing "' Group" and uploading to a test site - the problem disappeared. Mike s/v Windlass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg Sent: Friday, October 2, 2020 9:14 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website Todd, Thanks for your perseverance in sending the screen shot. I understand what you?re seeing much better, but unfortunately have no idea ? Wait, Mike just sent an email saying the white text that?s overlaying the black text is the work ?Group?. I still don?t see it, but it makes sense. So, when you?re looking at the ?Cruising Tales? page (that?s what was in the picture), does the area at the top of the page say ?The Rhodes 22 Owners? Group?? Or, is the word ?Group? missing from that area? ?Peter > On Oct 2, 2020, at 8:09 PM, Todd Tavares wrote: > > Peter > I'm not tech savvy. But no. > It is once you select a page from the left menu. On the page; and I > will use the Document Library page as reference, the black text at the > top (in the white background area) which says Document Library has > some white text over it, making it look as though the text is blotchy. > On the Cruising page for instance, a lower case "p" is visible. > I tried to send a screenshot but I guess the file was too large for gmail. > > Todd T. > > tavares0947 at gmail.com > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2020, 1:54 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > >> Todd, >> >> Sorry to hear you?re having issues. >> >> If by ?title bar? you?re referring to the section that reads ?The >> Rhodes >> 22 Owners? Group?, that should appear as white text on a dark blue >> background. On the other hand, a page title like ?The Rhodes 22 >> Owner?s Group Email List? should appear as black text on a white >> background. I have no idea why your phone and tablet browsers would >> be showing anything different. >> >> What model phone and tablet are you using? >> >> ?Peter >> >>> On Oct 1, 2020, at 10:34 PM, Todd Tavares wrote: >>> >>> Peter, >>> >>> When viewed on my phone and tablet, when I open the pages from the >>> button side bar, the titles in the title bar of each page have white >>> text superimposed over the black text. >>> >>> Todd T >>> >>> >>> tavares0947 at gmail.com >>> >> >> From peter at sunnybeeches.com Fri Oct 2 22:10:29 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 22:10:29 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: <001101d69928$7a3232a0$6e9697e0$@ebsmed.com> References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> <001101d69928$7a3232a0$6e9697e0$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: <4FA91978-0310-47A8-BB6F-BB40B80A6863@sunnybeeches.com> Thanks Mike. Once you spotted that the ghost image was the word ?Group?, (which I?ll admit I still can?t make out) an overflow seemed the likely cause. I guess I?ll try reducing the font size on that text a bit. I don?t know if there?s a more elegant solution. ?Peter > On Oct 2, 2020, at 9:56 PM, Michael D. Weisner wrote: > > Peter, > > The problem is easiest to see on a chrome browser on an android phone. > > It is being caused by overflow of the word "Group" from the following html: >
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> > > I tested the Email List page by removing "' Group" and uploading to a test site - the problem disappeared. > > Mike > s/v Windlass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY From peter at sunnybeeches.com Fri Oct 2 22:19:19 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 22:19:19 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: <49D924E0-2FB8-4480-A36F-D1D7A5094E6A@aol.com> References: <49D924E0-2FB8-4480-A36F-D1D7A5094E6A@aol.com> Message-ID: Dana, Very nice to hear from you. As I recall, Stan uploaded your picture to the list a few months ago. He said it was the best image he?d seen of a Rhodes 22 under sail, and i agreed. I thought I should ask permission before using the picture, but didn?t know who to ask. I?m glad you?re OK with it. ?Peter > On Oct 2, 2020, at 1:31 PM, DANA LETENDRE via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > Peter, > > What HUGE amount of effort you have donated, and it looks (and feels) great! Of course, I LOVE seeing my boat (Caye Dreams) displayed on the home page (I sent the pic to Stan several months ago, he liked it and put it up on one of his pages, which I guess is where you found it.) Thank You! > > Dana LeTendre > ?Caye Dreams? > San Pedro, Belize > > Sent from my iPad > ???????? From gramille at tds.net Sat Oct 3 09:45:26 2020 From: gramille at tds.net (gramille) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2020 06:45:26 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: <2DF0C1CA-1D79-4D47-9252-679675C71807@sunnybeeches.com> References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> <1601658369771-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <2DF0C1CA-1D79-4D47-9252-679675C71807@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <1601732726185-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Peter, I currently click on a link on my bookmark page that says Rhodes 22/Mailing list archive. This is where I am replying to you from. I am sure it is my fault, but I cannot find how to get to this page or the new spot for these interactions? Please enlighten me? Graham s/v 00Sailin -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From peter at sunnybeeches.com Sat Oct 3 11:24:49 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2020 11:24:49 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: <1601732726185-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> <1601658369771-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <2DF0C1CA-1D79-4D47-9252-679675C71807@sunnybeeches.com> <1601732726185-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Graham, That bookmark is taking you to Nabble, not Rhodes22.org . I don?t know much about Nabble, but it?s third party utility software that provides a web interface for an email list like ours. It?s totally separate from and independent of rhodes22.org . We have absolutely no control over it. The old website never had a link to the Rhodes22 content on Nabble, and I didn?t add one to the new website. Your bookmark should continue to work the same as before. ?Peter > On Oct 3, 2020, at 9:45 AM, gramille wrote: > > Peter, > I currently click on a link on my bookmark page that says Rhodes 22/Mailing > list archive. > This is where I am replying to you from. I am sure it is my fault, but I > cannot find how to get to this page or the new spot for these interactions? > Please enlighten me? > Graham > s/v 00Sailin > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From peter at sunnybeeches.com Sat Oct 3 13:06:51 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2020 13:06:51 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: <001101d69928$7a3232a0$6e9697e0$@ebsmed.com> References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> <001101d69928$7a3232a0$6e9697e0$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Mike and Todd, I?ve reduced the size of the font in the ?The Rhodes 22 Owners?s Group? header in the hopes that this will correct the overflow problem. This was a global change made in the style.css page. The change has been uploaded to http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22 I also temporarily changed the color of this text from white to beige (also in style.css). I did this so that if overflow occurs, it will be easier to see, and also so that you can be sure that you?re seeing the changes. On my iPad, refreshing the page in the browser won?t force a reload of the style sheet. I have to go into settings and delete the history for sunny beeches.com to force a complete reload. When you test, if you don?t see the change in text color for the header, you?re not seeing the change in font size either. ?Peter > On Oct 2, 2020, at 9:56 PM, Michael D. Weisner wrote: > > Peter, > > The problem is easiest to see on a chrome browser on an android phone. > > It is being caused by overflow of the word "Group" from the following html: >
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> > > I tested the Email List page by removing "' Group" and uploading to a test site - the problem disappeared. > > Mike > s/v Windlass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Sat Oct 3 17:15:29 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2020 17:15:29 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> <1601596870297-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <2D9D49FD-C47F-4352-A648-CBDE1C8D6C4A@sunnybeeches.com> Tom, I?ve been trying to think of a place to make use of the lovely picture you attached the other day, and I finally found one. Go to the new home page that for now is at http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/ , and then wait 11 seconds. ?Peter > On Oct 2, 2020, at 8:18 AM, Tom Van Heule wrote: > > It is!!! Thanks Peter. > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2020, 8:59 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > >> Tom, >> >> That?s beautiful. Is that your boat? I?ll find a place for that >> somewhere. >> >> ?Peter >> >> From mweisner at ebsmed.com Sat Oct 3 19:34:31 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael Weisner) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2020 19:34:31 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: <2D9D49FD-C47F-4352-A648-CBDE1C8D6C4A@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Peter,On my Samsung Android phone, using the Chrome browser, all that shows up on the front page is the attached image. Why is the page so short?Can you dissolve or slide to Tom's image and then back? A bit faster might work too.Mike -------- Original message --------From: Peter Nyberg Date: 10/3/20 5:16 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website Tom,I?ve been trying to think of a place to make use of the lovely picture you attached the other day, and I finally found one.Go to the new home page that for now is at http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/ , and then wait 11 seconds.?Peter> On Oct 2, 2020, at 8:18 AM, Tom Van Heule wrote:> > It is!!! Thanks Peter.> > On Thu, Oct 1, 2020, 8:59 PM Peter Nyberg wrote:> >> Tom,>> >> That?s beautiful.? Is that your boat?? I?ll find a place for that>> somewhere.>> >> ?Peter>> >> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Screenshot_20201003-192912_Chrome.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 291687 bytes Desc: not available URL: From peter at sunnybeeches.com Sat Oct 3 22:20:04 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2020 22:20:04 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7D0D3980-E283-4060-A92C-33359F21BB0D@sunnybeeches.com> Mike, First, it looks like the problem with the overflow in the header on mobile Chrome browsers has been fixed. Can you confirm? Second, the issue with the page being short has nothing to do (I?m pretty sure) with the change I made to add Tom?s picture to the home page with an automatic slideshow. On the topic of the slideshow, I could investigate how to do some kind of dissolve. How fast the switch-over happens is easy to change. I tried faster, and personally didn?t like it. The screen is short (again, I?m pretty sure) because I?ve been playing around with the code to try to make it so the content can scroll without the menus also scrolling. The only way I?ve found to do that is to limit the size of web page. If you allow the web page to expand to accommodate the size of the content, then when you scroll, you?re scrolling the whole web page. So, menus, header, everything scrolls. If you limit the size of the web page, you can make it so that when one section has more content than will fit, that section can scroll without changing the location of the surrounding sections. I will admit that as I?ve been working on the changes to the rhodes22.org website, I?ve been doing it with the mindset that it would be primarily used with desktop browsers. I assumed, and hoped, that it would also work OK on tablets. To the extent I thought about phones, I imagined that at least they would be used in landscape mode. In your screenshot, you appear to be using your phone in portrait mode. That?s not a use case I ever envisioned. Back at the beginning of our discussions about updating the website, some people advised using Wordpress in part because it would automatically handle these desktop vs table vs phone issues. If it is really considered important that the website display appropriately with all devices in all orientations then maybe that?s the way to go. I will feely admit that I don?t don?t know how to code for that. ?Peter > On Oct 3, 2020, at 7:34 PM, Michael Weisner wrote: > > > Peter,On my Samsung Android phone, using the Chrome browser, all that shows up on the front page is the attached image. Why is the page so short?Can you dissolve or slide to Tom's image and then back? A bit faster might work too.Mike > -------- Original message --------From: Peter Nyberg Date: 10/3/20 5:16 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website Tom,I?ve been trying to think of a place to make use of the lovely picture you attached the other day, and I finally found one.Go to the new home page that for now is at http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/ , and then wait 11 seconds.?Peter> On Oct 2, 2020, at 8:18 AM, Tom Van Heule wrote:> > It is!!! Thanks Peter.> > On Thu, Oct 1, 2020, 8:59 PM Peter Nyberg wrote:> >> Tom,>> >> That?s beautiful. Is that your boat? I?ll find a place for that>> somewhere.>> >> ?Peter>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Screenshot_20201003-192912_Chrome.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 291687 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 11:17:03 2020 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2020 11:17:03 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: <7D0D3980-E283-4060-A92C-33359F21BB0D@sunnybeeches.com> References: <7D0D3980-E283-4060-A92C-33359F21BB0D@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, It doesn't adjust at all for screen size. What CMS are you using? Regards, Rick Lange On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 10:20 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > Mike, > > First, it looks like the problem with the overflow in the header on mobile > Chrome browsers has been fixed. Can you confirm? > > Second, the issue with the page being short has nothing to do (I?m pretty > sure) with the change I made to add Tom?s picture to the home page with an > automatic slideshow. On the topic of the slideshow, I could investigate > how to do some kind of dissolve. How fast the switch-over happens is easy > to change. I tried faster, and personally didn?t like it. > > The screen is short (again, I?m pretty sure) because I?ve been playing > around with the code to try to make it so the content can scroll without > the menus also scrolling. The only way I?ve found to do that is to limit > the size of web page. > > If you allow the web page to expand to accommodate the size of the > content, then when you scroll, you?re scrolling the whole web page. So, > menus, header, everything scrolls. > > If you limit the size of the web page, you can make it so that when one > section has more content than will fit, that section can scroll without > changing the location of the surrounding sections. > > I will admit that as I?ve been working on the changes to the rhodes22.org > website, I?ve been doing it with the mindset that > it would be primarily used with desktop browsers. I assumed, and hoped, > that it would also work OK on tablets. To the extent I thought about > phones, I imagined that at least they would be used in landscape mode. In > your screenshot, you appear to be using your phone in portrait mode. > That?s not a use case I ever envisioned. > > Back at the beginning of our discussions about updating the website, some > people advised using Wordpress in part because it would automatically > handle these desktop vs table vs phone issues. If it is really considered > important that the website display appropriately with all devices in all > orientations then maybe that?s the way to go. I will feely admit that I > don?t don?t know how to code for that. > > ?Peter > > > > > On Oct 3, 2020, at 7:34 PM, Michael Weisner wrote: > > > > > > Peter,On my Samsung Android phone, using the Chrome browser, all that > shows up on the front page is the attached image. Why is the page so > short?Can you dissolve or slide to Tom's image and then back? A bit faster > might work too.Mike > > -------- Original message --------From: Peter Nyberg < > peter at sunnybeeches.com> Date: 10/3/20 5:16 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The > Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: > [Rhodes22-list] The New Website Tom,I?ve been trying to think of a place to > make use of the lovely picture you attached the other day, and I finally > found one.Go to the new home page that for now is at > http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/ , > and then wait 11 seconds.?Peter> On Oct 2, 2020, at 8:18 AM, Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:> > It is!!! Thanks Peter.> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2020, 8:59 PM Peter Nyberg > wrote:> >> Tom,>> >> That?s beautiful. Is that your boat? I?ll find a > place for that>> somewhere.>> >> ?Peter>> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: Screenshot_20201003-192912_Chrome.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 291687 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201003/474e082d/attachment.jpg > > > > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Sun Oct 4 11:32:44 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2020 11:32:44 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: <7D0D3980-E283-4060-A92C-33359F21BB0D@sunnybeeches.com> References: <7D0D3980-E283-4060-A92C-33359F21BB0D@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Folks, I?m going to go back to the drawing board on the website. Obviously, I should have taken mobile devices into account from the start of the project, rather than design for the desktop and hope that everything would work out. There are tools and frameworks available to help with making websites that work on different size screens, and I?ll be looking into some of those. Most of time that I?ve put into this project has been on the content (pictures, reference pages), and I?m pretty sure that none of that work will turn out to have been wasted. I don?t know how long this re-design will take. I expect it will be weeks at least. In the meantime, I?ll take down sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22. Thanks for your kind words and assistance on the work done so far. I?ll be back. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheelsl (1988/2016) > On Oct 3, 2020, at 10:20 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > Mike, > > First, it looks like the problem with the overflow in the header on mobile Chrome browsers has been fixed. Can you confirm? > > Second, the issue with the page being short has nothing to do (I?m pretty sure) with the change I made to add Tom?s picture to the home page with an automatic slideshow. On the topic of the slideshow, I could investigate how to do some kind of dissolve. How fast the switch-over happens is easy to change. I tried faster, and personally didn?t like it. > > The screen is short (again, I?m pretty sure) because I?ve been playing around with the code to try to make it so the content can scroll without the menus also scrolling. The only way I?ve found to do that is to limit the size of web page. > > If you allow the web page to expand to accommodate the size of the content, then when you scroll, you?re scrolling the whole web page. So, menus, header, everything scrolls. > > If you limit the size of the web page, you can make it so that when one section has more content than will fit, that section can scroll without changing the location of the surrounding sections. > > I will admit that as I?ve been working on the changes to the rhodes22.org website, I?ve been doing it with the mindset that it would be primarily used with desktop browsers. I assumed, and hoped, that it would also work OK on tablets. To the extent I thought about phones, I imagined that at least they would be used in landscape mode. In your screenshot, you appear to be using your phone in portrait mode. That?s not a use case I ever envisioned. > > Back at the beginning of our discussions about updating the website, some people advised using Wordpress in part because it would automatically handle these desktop vs table vs phone issues. If it is really considered important that the website display appropriately with all devices in all orientations then maybe that?s the way to go. I will feely admit that I don?t don?t know how to code for that. > > ?Peter > > > >> On Oct 3, 2020, at 7:34 PM, Michael Weisner wrote: >> >> >> Peter,On my Samsung Android phone, using the Chrome browser, all that shows up on the front page is the attached image. Why is the page so short?Can you dissolve or slide to Tom's image and then back? A bit faster might work too.Mike >> -------- Original message --------From: Peter Nyberg Date: 10/3/20 5:16 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website Tom,I?ve been trying to think of a place to make use of the lovely picture you attached the other day, and I finally found one.Go to the new home page that for now is at http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/ , and then wait 11 seconds.?Peter> On Oct 2, 2020, at 8:18 AM, Tom Van Heule wrote:> > It is!!! Thanks Peter.> > On Thu, Oct 1, 2020, 8:59 PM Peter Nyberg wrote:> >> Tom,>> >> That?s beautiful. Is that your boat? I?ll find a place for that>> somewhere.>> >> ?Peter>> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: Screenshot_20201003-192912_Chrome.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 291687 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Sun Oct 4 11:33:52 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2020 11:33:52 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: References: <7D0D3980-E283-4060-A92C-33359F21BB0D@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <401A5C3C-D3EC-4617-9913-47C168588807@sunnybeeches.com> Rick, What?s CMS? ?Peter > On Oct 4, 2020, at 11:17 AM, Rick Lange wrote: > > Hi Peter, > > It doesn't adjust at all for screen size. What CMS are you using? > > Regards, > > Rick Lange > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 10:20 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 11:36:36 2020 From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2020 11:36:36 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: References: <7D0D3980-E283-4060-A92C-33359F21BB0D@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <6F6099C0-009D-47FA-9AD8-198DF1FE1127@gmail.com> Peter, I really appreciate the work you have put into this project, and I look forward to seeing what emerges. There?s no rush ? better to get it right. Thanks, Frank Frank Goldsmith Asheville, NC S/V Mary Bess (1985/2001) > On Oct 4, 2020, at 11:32 AM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > Folks, I?m going to go back to the drawing board on the website. Obviously, I should have taken mobile devices into account from the start of the project, rather than design for the desktop and hope that everything would work out. There are tools and frameworks available to help with making websites that work on different size screens, and I?ll be looking into some of those. > > Most of time that I?ve put into this project has been on the content (pictures, reference pages), and I?m pretty sure that none of that work will turn out to have been wasted. > > I don?t know how long this re-design will take. I expect it will be weeks at least. > > In the meantime, I?ll take down sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22. > > Thanks for your kind words and assistance on the work done so far. > > I?ll be back. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheelsl (1988/2016) > > > >> On Oct 3, 2020, at 10:20 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: >> >> Mike, >> >> First, it looks like the problem with the overflow in the header on mobile Chrome browsers has been fixed. Can you confirm? >> >> Second, the issue with the page being short has nothing to do (I?m pretty sure) with the change I made to add Tom?s picture to the home page with an automatic slideshow. On the topic of the slideshow, I could investigate how to do some kind of dissolve. How fast the switch-over happens is easy to change. I tried faster, and personally didn?t like it. >> >> The screen is short (again, I?m pretty sure) because I?ve been playing around with the code to try to make it so the content can scroll without the menus also scrolling. The only way I?ve found to do that is to limit the size of web page. >> >> If you allow the web page to expand to accommodate the size of the content, then when you scroll, you?re scrolling the whole web page. So, menus, header, everything scrolls. >> >> If you limit the size of the web page, you can make it so that when one section has more content than will fit, that section can scroll without changing the location of the surrounding sections. >> >> I will admit that as I?ve been working on the changes to the rhodes22.org website, I?ve been doing it with the mindset that it would be primarily used with desktop browsers. I assumed, and hoped, that it would also work OK on tablets. To the extent I thought about phones, I imagined that at least they would be used in landscape mode. In your screenshot, you appear to be using your phone in portrait mode. That?s not a use case I ever envisioned. >> >> Back at the beginning of our discussions about updating the website, some people advised using Wordpress in part because it would automatically handle these desktop vs table vs phone issues. If it is really considered important that the website display appropriately with all devices in all orientations then maybe that?s the way to go. I will feely admit that I don?t don?t know how to code for that. >> >> ?Peter >> >> >> >>> On Oct 3, 2020, at 7:34 PM, Michael Weisner wrote: >>> >>> >>> Peter,On my Samsung Android phone, using the Chrome browser, all that shows up on the front page is the attached image. Why is the page so short?Can you dissolve or slide to Tom's image and then back? A bit faster might work too.Mike >>> -------- Original message --------From: Peter Nyberg Date: 10/3/20 5:16 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website Tom,I?ve been trying to think of a place to make use of the lovely picture you attached the other day, and I finally found one.Go to the new home page that for now is at http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/ , and then wait 11 seconds.?Peter> On Oct 2, 2020, at 8:18 AM, Tom Van Heule wrote:> > It is!!! Thanks Peter.> > On Thu, Oct 1, 2020, 8:59 PM Peter Nyberg wrote:> >> Tom,>> >> That?s beautiful. Is that your boat? I?ll find a place for that>> somewhere.>> >> ?Peter>> >> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: Screenshot_20201003-192912_Chrome.jpg >>> Type: image/jpeg >>> Size: 291687 bytes >>> Desc: not available >>> URL: >> > From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 13:46:23 2020 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2020 13:46:23 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: <401A5C3C-D3EC-4617-9913-47C168588807@sunnybeeches.com> References: <7D0D3980-E283-4060-A92C-33359F21BB0D@sunnybeeches.com> <401A5C3C-D3EC-4617-9913-47C168588807@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Peter, *C*ontent *M*anagement *S*ystem. Wordpress is the most popular in that it is free and lots of people know how to use it. You can probably port what you have into WP in a couple hours with screen formatting all automatic, the site will have a better Google reputation that you can easily influence (now it is very difficult to find) and you can be confident your legacy will be passed onto the next guy. Regards, Rick Lange On Sun, Oct 4, 2020 at 11:34 AM Peter Nyberg wrote: > Rick, > > What?s CMS? > > ?Peter > > > On Oct 4, 2020, at 11:17 AM, Rick Lange > wrote: > > > > Hi Peter, > > > > It doesn't adjust at all for screen size. What CMS are you using? > > > > Regards, > > > > Rick Lange > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 10:20 PM Peter Nyberg > wrote: > > > > From rlowe at vt.edu Sun Oct 4 15:56:21 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2020 19:56:21 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> <001101d69928$7a3232a0$6e9697e0$@ebsmed.com>, Message-ID: Peter, I'm getting a 404 error on this URL. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Peter Nyberg Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2020 1:06 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website Mike and Todd, I?ve reduced the size of the font in the ?The Rhodes 22 Owners?s Group? header in the hopes that this will correct the overflow problem. This was a global change made in the style.css page. The change has been uploaded to http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22 I also temporarily changed the color of this text from white to beige (also in style.css). I did this so that if overflow occurs, it will be easier to see, and also so that you can be sure that you?re seeing the changes. On my iPad, refreshing the page in the browser won?t force a reload of the style sheet. I have to go into settings and delete the history for sunny beeches.com to force a complete reload. When you test, if you don?t see the change in text color for the header, you?re not seeing the change in font size either. ?Peter > On Oct 2, 2020, at 9:56 PM, Michael D. Weisner wrote: > > Peter, > > The problem is easiest to see on a chrome browser on an android phone. > > It is being caused by overflow of the word "Group" from the following html: >
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> > > I tested the Email List page by removing "' Group" and uploading to a test site - the problem disappeared. > > Mike > s/v Windlass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > From rlowe at vt.edu Sun Oct 4 16:29:46 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2020 20:29:46 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: References: <7D0D3980-E283-4060-A92C-33359F21BB0D@sunnybeeches.com>, Message-ID: Peter, I understand the desire to have a website that is readable on a mobile device. I have to wonder how important it is for the Rhodes 22 site. - Rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Peter Nyberg Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2020 11:32 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website Folks, I?m going to go back to the drawing board on the website. Obviously, I should have taken mobile devices into account from the start of the project, rather than design for the desktop and hope that everything would work out. There are tools and frameworks available to help with making websites that work on different size screens, and I?ll be looking into some of those. Most of time that I?ve put into this project has been on the content (pictures, reference pages), and I?m pretty sure that none of that work will turn out to have been wasted. I don?t know how long this re-design will take. I expect it will be weeks at least. In the meantime, I?ll take down sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22. Thanks for your kind words and assistance on the work done so far. I?ll be back. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheelsl (1988/2016) > On Oct 3, 2020, at 10:20 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > Mike, > > First, it looks like the problem with the overflow in the header on mobile Chrome browsers has been fixed. Can you confirm? > > Second, the issue with the page being short has nothing to do (I?m pretty sure) with the change I made to add Tom?s picture to the home page with an automatic slideshow. On the topic of the slideshow, I could investigate how to do some kind of dissolve. How fast the switch-over happens is easy to change. I tried faster, and personally didn?t like it. > > The screen is short (again, I?m pretty sure) because I?ve been playing around with the code to try to make it so the content can scroll without the menus also scrolling. The only way I?ve found to do that is to limit the size of web page. > > If you allow the web page to expand to accommodate the size of the content, then when you scroll, you?re scrolling the whole web page. So, menus, header, everything scrolls. > > If you limit the size of the web page, you can make it so that when one section has more content than will fit, that section can scroll without changing the location of the surrounding sections. > > I will admit that as I?ve been working on the changes to the rhodes22.org website, I?ve been doing it with the mindset that it would be primarily used with desktop browsers. I assumed, and hoped, that it would also work OK on tablets. To the extent I thought about phones, I imagined that at least they would be used in landscape mode. In your screenshot, you appear to be using your phone in portrait mode. That?s not a use case I ever envisioned. > > Back at the beginning of our discussions about updating the website, some people advised using Wordpress in part because it would automatically handle these desktop vs table vs phone issues. If it is really considered important that the website display appropriately with all devices in all orientations then maybe that?s the way to go. I will feely admit that I don?t don?t know how to code for that. > > ?Peter > > > >> On Oct 3, 2020, at 7:34 PM, Michael Weisner wrote: >> >> >> Peter,On my Samsung Android phone, using the Chrome browser, all that shows up on the front page is the attached image. Why is the page so short?Can you dissolve or slide to Tom's image and then back? A bit faster might work too.Mike >> -------- Original message --------From: Peter Nyberg Date: 10/3/20 5:16 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website Tom,I?ve been trying to think of a place to make use of the lovely picture you attached the other day, and I finally found one.Go to the new home page that for now is at http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/ , and then wait 11 seconds.?Peter> On Oct 2, 2020, at 8:18 AM, Tom Van Heule wrote:> > It is!!! Thanks Peter.> > On Thu, Oct 1, 2020, 8:59 PM Peter Nyberg wrote:> >> Tom,>> >> That?s beautiful. Is that your boat? I?ll find a place for that>> somewhere.>> >> ?Peter>> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: Screenshot_20201003-192912_Chrome.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 291687 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Sun Oct 4 17:04:57 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2020 16:04:57 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: References: <7D0D3980-E283-4060-A92C-33359F21BB0D@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: We will sell more boats having something modern. Not that selling boats or parts directly helps us beyond keeping a demand going for parts when we are in need, and production boat values. My big schtick on it has just been our exposure of personal info. I am happy to share with you all, and who know what slty types are here,lol, ...but not with the modern landscape of data scraping bots. As long as it is secure and accessible, I favor function over form. But mostly the fact that the work is au gratis I think it's great. Sail on, Tom On Sun, Oct 4, 2020, 3:29 PM Lowe, Rob wrote: > Peter, > I understand the desire to have a website that is readable on a mobile > device. I have to wonder how important it is for the Rhodes 22 site. - Rob > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Peter Nyberg > Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2020 11:32 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website > > Folks, I?m going to go back to the drawing board on the website. > Obviously, I should have taken mobile devices into account from the start > of the project, rather than design for the desktop and hope that everything > would work out. There are tools and frameworks available to help with > making websites that work on different size screens, and I?ll be looking > into some of those. > > Most of time that I?ve put into this project has been on the content > (pictures, reference pages), and I?m pretty sure that none of that work > will turn out to have been wasted. > > I don?t know how long this re-design will take. I expect it will be weeks > at least. > > In the meantime, I?ll take down sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22. > > Thanks for your kind words and assistance on the work done so far. > > I?ll be back. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheelsl (1988/2016) > > > > > On Oct 3, 2020, at 10:20 PM, Peter Nyberg > wrote: > > > > Mike, > > > > First, it looks like the problem with the overflow in the header on > mobile Chrome browsers has been fixed. Can you confirm? > > > > Second, the issue with the page being short has nothing to do (I?m > pretty sure) with the change I made to add Tom?s picture to the home page > with an automatic slideshow. On the topic of the slideshow, I could > investigate how to do some kind of dissolve. How fast the switch-over > happens is easy to change. I tried faster, and personally didn?t like it. > > > > The screen is short (again, I?m pretty sure) because I?ve been playing > around with the code to try to make it so the content can scroll without > the menus also scrolling. The only way I?ve found to do that is to limit > the size of web page. > > > > If you allow the web page to expand to accommodate the size of the > content, then when you scroll, you?re scrolling the whole web page. So, > menus, header, everything scrolls. > > > > If you limit the size of the web page, you can make it so that when one > section has more content than will fit, that section can scroll without > changing the location of the surrounding sections. > > > > I will admit that as I?ve been working on the changes to the > rhodes22.org website, I?ve been doing it with the > mindset that it would be primarily used with desktop browsers. I assumed, > and hoped, that it would also work OK on tablets. To the extent I thought > about phones, I imagined that at least they would be used in landscape > mode. In your screenshot, you appear to be using your phone in portrait > mode. That?s not a use case I ever envisioned. > > > > Back at the beginning of our discussions about updating the website, > some people advised using Wordpress in part because it would automatically > handle these desktop vs table vs phone issues. If it is really considered > important that the website display appropriately with all devices in all > orientations then maybe that?s the way to go. I will feely admit that I > don?t don?t know how to code for that. > > > > ?Peter > > > > > > > >> On Oct 3, 2020, at 7:34 PM, Michael Weisner > wrote: > >> > >> > >> Peter,On my Samsung Android phone, using the Chrome browser, all that > shows up on the front page is the attached image. Why is the page so > short?Can you dissolve or slide to Tom's image and then back? A bit faster > might work too.Mike > >> -------- Original message --------From: Peter Nyberg < > peter at sunnybeeches.com> Date: 10/3/20 5:16 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The > Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: > [Rhodes22-list] The New Website Tom,I?ve been trying to think of a place to > make use of the lovely picture you attached the other day, and I finally > found one.Go to the new home page that for now is at > http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/ , > and then wait 11 seconds.?Peter> On Oct 2, 2020, at 8:18 AM, Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:> > It is!!! Thanks Peter.> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2020, 8:59 PM Peter Nyberg > wrote:> >> Tom,>> >> That?s beautiful. Is that your boat? I?ll find a > place for that>> somewhere.>> >> ?Peter>> >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> Name: Screenshot_20201003-192912_Chrome.jpg > >> Type: image/jpeg > >> Size: 291687 bytes > >> Desc: not available > >> URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201003/474e082d/attachment.jpg > > > > > > From joedempsey at hughes.net Mon Oct 5 13:11:32 2020 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2020 10:11:32 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <1601917892771-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Peter, I'll have to take everybody else's word for it because all I get is 404 Message which was emailed to you. I look forward to seeing the new site. ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Mon Oct 5 13:40:14 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2020 13:40:14 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Last Sail of the Season Message-ID: Here are two pictures. One of my two crewmates on the last sail of this season, Thursday October 1st.. That last time I sailed with both of them was in high school, in Italy on an old Lightning class sailboat in 1968, a long time ago. We got together again for another sail, what fun. Oh, for the photo opp, we held our breaths and snapped the picture then masked back up. Just not worth the risk at our age. The other photo is me transferring the re-restored Red Rhodes to my son. I drove out from Baltimore to Effingham, Illinois Sunday October 3rd and handed it off to Nick to do a bit of sailing in Kansas before things freeze up, and then he will store the boat as we are 50/50 partners on this Rhodes The sign above the picture says it all, boats, sons, Rhodes 22m, and sailing in general. One final thought, I hope everyone posts their "last sail of the season". And Yes some of you southern boys (and ladies) will never have a "last sail of the season". just share them anyway. Chris Geankoplis Enosis (and the Red Rhodes) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 5CE4547A-7592-4B55-97C1-591D10429C56.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1191236 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The other photo is me > transferring the re-restored Red Rhodes to my son. I drove out from > Baltimore to Effingham, Illinois Sunday October 3rd and handed it off to > Nick to do a bit of sailing in Kansas before things freeze up, and then he > will store the boat as we are 50/50 partners on this Rhodes The sign > above the picture says it all, boats, sons, Rhodes 22m, and sailing in > general. One final thought, I hope everyone posts their "last sail of the > season". 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Name: IMG_3762.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 976075 bytes Desc: not available URL: From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Mon Oct 5 17:37:26 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2020 17:37:26 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Last Sail of the Season In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Alex, That looks so handsome. We are all so lucky to have this opportunity in these times to find joy with others. Chris G Enosis On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 2:19 PM Alexis Seigneurin < alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com> wrote: > Very nice! > > The sailing season isn't over yet in Virginia, but here's a picture taken > yesterday by a fellow sailor. > > Alexis > > On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 1:40 PM Chris Geankoplis > > wrote: > > > Here are two pictures. One of my two crewmates on the last sail of this > > season, Thursday October 1st.. That last time I sailed with both of > them > > was in high school, in Italy on an old Lightning class sailboat in 1968, > a > > long time ago. We got together again for another sail, what fun. Oh, > for > > the photo opp, we held our breaths and snapped the picture then masked > back > > up. Just not worth the risk at our age. The other photo is me > > transferring the re-restored Red Rhodes to my son. I drove out from > > Baltimore to Effingham, Illinois Sunday October 3rd and handed it off to > > Nick to do a bit of sailing in Kansas before things freeze up, and then > he > > will store the boat as we are 50/50 partners on this Rhodes The sign > > above the picture says it all, boats, sons, Rhodes 22m, and sailing in > > general. One final thought, I hope everyone posts their "last sail of > the > > season". And Yes some of you southern boys (and ladies) will never have > a > > "last sail of the season". just share them anyway. > > > > Chris Geankoplis > > Enosis (and the Red Rhodes) > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: 5CE4547A-7592-4B55-97C1-591D10429C56.jpeg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 1191236 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201005/0971a00f/attachment.jpeg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: 1F24B6FA-116B-430A-8008-DD0AA3811729.jpeg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 1306013 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201005/0971a00f/attachment-0001.jpeg > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_3762.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 976075 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201005/1303c4ef/attachment.jpe > > > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Mon Oct 5 17:51:46 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2020 17:51:46 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Last Sail of the Season In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <008001d69b61$b99ee6a0$2cdcb3e0$@ebsmed.com> Summer Sailstice has nothing on us, da Rhodes22-list! I am so happy that we have this forum to exchange stories, projects, ideas and images related to a way of life, not just a hobby, sailing. We plan to be sailing this weekend and then haul next week on the super tide, before it gets too cold. We used to sail up to Thanksgiving, but then, there are a lot of things that we don?t ... I will try to remember to snap some pictures for the list. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I?d rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Chris Geankoplis Sent: Monday, October 5, 2020 5:37 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Last Sail of the Season Hey Alex, That looks so handsome. We are all so lucky to have this opportunity in these times to find joy with others. Chris G Enosis On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 2:19 PM Alexis Seigneurin < alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com> wrote: > Very nice! > > The sailing season isn't over yet in Virginia, but here's a picture > taken yesterday by a fellow sailor. > > Alexis > > On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 1:40 PM Chris Geankoplis > > > wrote: > > > Here are two pictures. One of my two crewmates on the last sail of > > this season, Thursday October 1st.. That last time I sailed with > > both of > them > > was in high school, in Italy on an old Lightning class sailboat in > > 1968, > a > > long time ago. We got together again for another sail, what fun. > > Oh, > for > > the photo opp, we held our breaths and snapped the picture then > > masked > back > > up. Just not worth the risk at our age. The other photo is me > > transferring the re-restored Red Rhodes to my son. I drove out from > > Baltimore to Effingham, Illinois Sunday October 3rd and handed it > > off to Nick to do a bit of sailing in Kansas before things freeze > > up, and then > he > > will store the boat as we are 50/50 partners on this Rhodes The > > sign above the picture says it all, boats, sons, Rhodes 22m, and > > sailing in general. One final thought, I hope everyone posts their > > "last sail of > the > > season". And Yes some of you southern boys (and ladies) will never > > have > a > > "last sail of the season". just share them anyway. > > > > Chris Geankoplis > > Enosis (and the Red Rhodes) > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > scrubbed... > > Name: 5CE4547A-7592-4B55-97C1-591D10429C56.jpeg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 1191236 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201005/0971a > 00f/attachment.jpeg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > scrubbed... > > Name: 1F24B6FA-116B-430A-8008-DD0AA3811729.jpeg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 1306013 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201005/0971a > 00f/attachment-0001.jpeg > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > scrubbed... > Name: IMG_3762.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 976075 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201005/1303c > 4ef/attachment.jpe > > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Mon Oct 5 18:14:18 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2020 18:14:18 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Last Sail of the Season In-Reply-To: <008001d69b61$b99ee6a0$2cdcb3e0$@ebsmed.com> References: <008001d69b61$b99ee6a0$2cdcb3e0$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Looking forward to your picts and captions Mike. And well said about our sailing passion. Chris G Enosis On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 5:51 PM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > Summer Sailstice has nothing on us, da Rhodes22-list! > > I am so happy that we have this forum to exchange stories, projects, ideas > and images related to a way of life, not just a hobby, sailing. > > We plan to be sailing this weekend and then haul next week on the super > tide, before it gets too cold. We used to sail up to Thanksgiving, but > then, there are a lot of things that we don?t ... > > I will try to remember to snap some pictures for the list. > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > I?d rather be sailing :~) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Chris Geankoplis > Sent: Monday, October 5, 2020 5:37 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Last Sail of the Season > > Hey Alex, > That looks so handsome. We are all so lucky to have this > opportunity in these times to find joy with others. > > Chris G > Enosis > > On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 2:19 PM Alexis Seigneurin < > alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Very nice! > > > > The sailing season isn't over yet in Virginia, but here's a picture > > taken yesterday by a fellow sailor. > > > > Alexis > > > > On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 1:40 PM Chris Geankoplis > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Here are two pictures. One of my two crewmates on the last sail of > > > this season, Thursday October 1st.. That last time I sailed with > > > both of > > them > > > was in high school, in Italy on an old Lightning class sailboat in > > > 1968, > > a > > > long time ago. We got together again for another sail, what fun. > > > Oh, > > for > > > the photo opp, we held our breaths and snapped the picture then > > > masked > > back > > > up. Just not worth the risk at our age. The other photo is me > > > transferring the re-restored Red Rhodes to my son. I drove out from > > > Baltimore to Effingham, Illinois Sunday October 3rd and handed it > > > off to Nick to do a bit of sailing in Kansas before things freeze > > > up, and then > > he > > > will store the boat as we are 50/50 partners on this Rhodes The > > > sign above the picture says it all, boats, sons, Rhodes 22m, and > > > sailing in general. One final thought, I hope everyone posts their > > > "last sail of > > the > > > season". And Yes some of you southern boys (and ladies) will never > > > have > > a > > > "last sail of the season". just share them anyway. > > > > > > Chris Geankoplis > > > Enosis (and the Red Rhodes) > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > > scrubbed... > > > Name: 5CE4547A-7592-4B55-97C1-591D10429C56.jpeg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 1191236 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201005/0971a > > 00f/attachment.jpeg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > > scrubbed... > > > Name: 1F24B6FA-116B-430A-8008-DD0AA3811729.jpeg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 1306013 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201005/0971a > > 00f/attachment-0001.jpeg > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_3762.JPG > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 976075 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201005/1303c > > 4ef/attachment.jpe > > > > > > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 21:33:37 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2020 21:33:37 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes in Latts & Atts Message-ID: I sent in a couple pictures for their ?Why We Cruise? segment. A couple made it. See if you can find the Rhodes Having trouble viewing this email? www.latsatts.com Hope the link works for you. Chris G Enosis From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 17:31:53 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 16:31:53 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: <1601917892771-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> <1601917892771-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Peter, thanks for the great work on the website! I was able to check it out briefly while traveling recently but wanted to take a more detailed review and provide feedback after catching up upon my return. However, now that I'm back, I too (like Joe) seem to be getting the 404 Not Found error when I go to http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22 or http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/cruising.html Is it temporarily unavailable while you've been making some changes? Thanks again for all your efforts. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 12:11 PM Joe Dempsey wrote: > Peter, I'll have to take everybody else's word for it because all I get is > 404 Message which was emailed to you. I look forward to seeing the new > site. > > > > ----- > Joe Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Deltaville,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 17:34:02 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 16:34:02 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes in Latts & Atts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chris, it's great to see your Enosis making an appearance in their online magazine. The pictures from your adventures really are stunning! Thanks for sharing. Did you find out the fate of your boat following the severe storm in Greece that you mentioned? Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 8:33 PM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > I sent in a couple pictures for their ?Why We Cruise? segment. A couple > made it. See if you can find the Rhodes > Having trouble viewing this email? www.latsatts.com > < > http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?m=1101990230252&ca=a5fa627b-786d-44ef-a085-addca702314e > > > > Hope the link works for you. > Chris G > Enosis > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 17:38:52 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 16:38:52 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] August, 2006 High Adventure Kayaking Trip To The Apostle Islands In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Roger, thanks for sharing the PDF of your 2006 adventure in the Apostle Islands. When I was doing a brief review of Peter's new draft of the website last week, I stumbled on the account of your trip from Charlevoix to Beaver Island and Garden Island in Northern Michigan. That is quite an ambitious trip for a 22' boat! After spending time exploring Grand Traverse Bay a couple of weeks ago, my wife and I are planning (weather permitting) to make the trek from Charlevoix to Beaver Island in a bigger boat that we'll be chartering with another couple in late June next year. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 6:15 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi All, > > I keep forgetting that the Rhodes List server strips out MS Word > documents. The attached .pdf file is the day-by-day summary of the trip > mentioned below. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 6:18 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] August, 2006 High Adventure Kayaking Trip To The > Apostle Islands > > From: ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 6:15 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: August, 2006 High Adventure Kayaking Trip To The Apostle Islands > > Hi All, > > I finally found the files for the sea kayaking trip that Daniel, Gary, > Patrick Aldrich, and I took to the Apostle Islands on August 25-28, 2006. > Patrick Aldrich was one of Daniel?s friends from Boy Scouts. The attached > MS Word file is a day-by-day summary of the trip with an annotated chart > showing our travels. The rest of the attached files are photos. The thing > about the sea caves that surprised me the most was how colorful they were > inside. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > [cid:image005.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image029.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30] > [cid:image034.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30] > [cid:image036.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image038.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 > ][cid:image040.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image042.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 > ][cid:image044.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image045.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 > ][cid:image046.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image047.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 > ][cid:image048.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image049.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 > ][cid:image050.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image051.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 > ][cid:image052.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image053.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 > ][cid:image054.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30] > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 6:18 PM > To: Bill Woodgate; Gary Pihlaja gjpihlaja at gmail.com>; Mr. Daniel Pihlaja > Subject: Proposed Summer of 2021 High Adventure Sailing/Kayaking Trip To > The Apostle Islands > > Hi All, > > I?ve tried to imagine in a little more detail what a High Adventure Trip > in the Apostle Islands with S/V Dynamic Equilibrium and the kayaks might > look like. The attached MS PowerPoint file gives an overview of the float > plan. We would probably want to do this trip in mid August, 2021 to give > Lake Superior as much time as possible to warm up. Each day?s course on > the mother ship is shown in a different color and paddling trips are shown > in red. These are going to be several very rich full days in a row; but, > still doable. > > Proposed Itinerary: > > Day Description > > 1 Drive to Little Sand Bay Visitor Center & set up camp at > Little Sand Bay CG > > 2 Morning day trip paddle to Squaw Bay Sea Caves, Lunch at > camp, Rig & launch sailboat, Sail out to Sand Island, Camp on Sand Island > NOTE: The day trip paddle could be switched to the last day to accommodate > weather > > 3 Hike to Sand Island Lighthouse, Day trip paddle to Justice > Bay Sea Caves, Sail to Devil?s Island, Day trip paddle to Devil?s Island > Sea Caves, Sail to Rocky Island, Camp at Rocky Island CG > > 4 Sail to Manitou Island, Tour Manitou Island Fish Camp, Sail > To Stockton Island via east coast & decide if sea caves and balancing rock > are worth a day trip paddle, moor at Stockton Island Dock 1, tour Stockton > Island Visitor Center, Camp at Stockton Island CG > > 5 Sail back to Little Sand Bay Visitor Center, retrieve and > unrig boat, camp at Little Sand Bay CG > > 6 Drive home > > This float plan will let visit all the major sea caves, sea arches, sea > stacks, and other major attractions in the Apostle Islands archipelago. > Devil?s Island is the northern most island in the archipelago. The dock at > Rocky Island is one of the most protected docks, especially in the outer > islands. We could hunker down here to allow bad weather to pass by if we > had to. The dock at Stockton Island is also relatively well protected, > except from the south and southwest. 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trailer winch strap and how that worked out. It would be good to know for future reference in case I need to replace mine some day. Thanks, Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 8:10 PM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > I?ll keep you all posted > > On Mon, 7 Sep 2020 at 21:08, Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hmm, I don't know about the seat belts, but I can confirm that the winch > > strap that I used as a replacement on my trailer had a loop sewn in. The > > one I got for my trailer was $20, with a working load of 3300 lbs... more > > than enough to handle the tension of a 100 lb motor. Given the flurry of > > activity on this list, I'm sure everyone would like to hear how your > > project turns out. Good luck! > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > > On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 7:48 PM Chris Geankoplis < > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com > > > > > wrote: > > > > > capital Idea. But I'll need the loop on one sewn in. Do seat belts > have > > > that loop I wonder. > > > Chris G > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 8:07 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > If you go for a seat belt as the webbing, you might want to stop by > the > > > > local you-pull-it (salvage yard) and you can probably find a cheap > > > > selection there. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 7, 2020, 6:11 PM Chris Geankoplis < > > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hey Jesse, > > > > > Thanks for the lead. I?ll check it out. I am also following one for > > > seat > > > > > belt suppliers but that might be a bit spendy. > > > > > Chris G > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 7 Sep 2020 at 16:23, Jesse Shumaker < > > > > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Chris, thanks for your comment about the knob. Upon further > > > > inspection I > > > > > > can pull out a knob on my ATV winch and it will freewheel as you > > > > > mentioned > > > > > > - much better than cutting the webbing! > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding replacement of the webbing, it appears to be a winch > > strap > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > same kind used on the manual winch used at the front of the > trailer > > > to > > > > > pull > > > > > > / keep the boat forward and these are widely available as a > > > replacement > > > > > > part. I actually had to replace my winch strap at the front of > my > > > > > trailer > > > > > > after the last road trip due to some chafing issues resulting > from > > > the > > > > > bow > > > > > > being slightly off center as a result of a downhill park and > slide > > > > effort > > > > > > to move the boat forward. > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck with your Red Rhodes! > > > > > > > > > > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 9:08 PM Chris Geankoplis < > > > > > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On my motor there is a little knop you can pull out and it > allows > > > the > > > > > > winch > > > > > > > to "freewheel" so getting the motor down doesn't involve > cutting > > > the > > > > > > > webbing. Speaking of webbing, where can I get a replacement, > it > > > has > > > > > some > > > > > > > holes in it where it snagged a bolt which probably caused the > > pull > > > > > > > through. Oh and I will file your project write up in my Red > > Rhodes > > > > > file. > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > Chris Geankoplis > > > > > > > Enosis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 1:22 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > > > > > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since the remote on my motorized winch was starting to act up > > > late > > > > > last > > > > > > > > summer, I had pondered whether to switch to a manual setup or > > > > replace > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > winch. Now that I hear of the loads mentioned in this > thread, > > > I'm > > > > > > glad I > > > > > > > > chose the path of replacing with a new electric winch. My > back > > > > gives > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > problems occasionally and lifting a heavy motor (my 9.8 > Tohatsu > > > is > > > > no > > > > > > > > feather) could be problematic. Also, it's best if my wife is > > > > > > comfortable > > > > > > > > running all operations of the boat as well and lifting a > motor > > > that > > > > > > > weighs > > > > > > > > so much, even with the mechanical advantage, may not even be > > > > feasible > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > her. Since I did have concerns about redundancy, I replaced > it > > > > with > > > > > a > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > ATV winch that had both a wired switch and two remotes. That > > > > project > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > summarized at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Replacement-of-winch-for-motor-lift-td56157.html#a56176 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I figured that if the motor was ever stuck in the up position > > and > > > > the > > > > > > > > electric winch failed when I really needed to lower the > motor, > > I > > > > > could > > > > > > > run > > > > > > > > a line over the stern rail that attaches to the motor and to > > the > > > > port > > > > > > > winch > > > > > > > > like Mike mentioned. After getting that tensioned I could > cut > > > the > > > > > belt > > > > > > > > that runs from the winch and would be free to lower the motor > > > > > gradually > > > > > > > > with the spare line. Raising would be the same technique, > only > > > it > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > not require cutting of the belt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since my motor will occasionally get slightly stuck on the > way > > > > down, > > > > > I > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > the tracks an occasional spray of silicone lubricant and that > > > > helps. > > > > > > > All I > > > > > > > > need to do is give the motor a little nudge on the way down > if > > it > > > > > gets > > > > > > > > stuck. It never seems to be an issue on the way up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > > > > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 4:54 AM Gmorganflier < > > > > gmorgan.flier at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems we have done a similar setup on converting to our > > > manual > > > > > > lift > > > > > > > > > system. Please post some photos. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought of something which may be causing my extra > > resistance > > > > and > > > > > > > maybe > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > yours also. When my motor is not against either the bottom > or > > > top > > > > > > > stops, > > > > > > > > > just somewhere in between, I can take my motor and swing it > > > side > > > > to > > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > there?s a lot of movement. There was even more when I > bought > > > the > > > > > boat > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > i had someone add some shims to get rid of some of the > slop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With our system I wonder where the center of force is on > the > > > > bottom > > > > > > > tube. > > > > > > > > > Maybe it?s not centered and it?s not pulling the motor up > > > > straight > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > channels. Maybe in my case as I start up, it?s cocking the > > > engine > > > > > at > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > angle in the metal channels creating extra resistance? I?ll > > > have > > > > to > > > > > > > > > experiment with this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George Morgan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 17:54:22 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 16:54:22 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: <1599311659651-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1599311659651-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: With all the replies on this thread, I can't recall if there was a photo of one of the GB produced manual motor lift. From all the discussion, it appears there may have been multiple versions as it evolved. While I was in Michigan, I happened to notice that Bob's boat had one. See the attachment for a photo. It lifted easily enough, though it was only supporting a 5HP 4 stroke Honda, which appeared to be smaller/lighter than the 9.8 HP tank on the back of my boat. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 8:14 AM Gmorganflier wrote: > I?ve had my boat a little over a year now and as as I?ve mentioned before, > I?ve only been out on her 4 times, all last year. I?m in the process of > moving her from the Cape Fear River near Wilmington NC to a mooring at Lake > Waccamaw NC. As part of the move she?s been in my driveway for the last > couple of months while I completed numerous projects on her. One of my > projects was converting the electric winch motor lift to a manual system. > From the day I bought her, I?ve had concerns about the electric winch which > operates the motor lift. Rated at 2500 lbs pull, I?ve never liked the > creaking and popping noises I hear the transom make when the motor gets > toward the top of its travel and starts to tilt my 106 lbs Mercury 9.9. I > was also concerned about not being able to get the motor down if the winch > failed while the motor was up. So I just completed disconnected the winch > and going to a manual lift system. I got the idea from an old post by a > former Rhodie named Jay Curry who did this conversion to his R22. My > conversion differs from his in that the motor still tilts when it gets > toward the top of its travel. With four double blocks and a 9/1 ratio, I > thought I would be looking at maybe a 15-20 pound pull on the line to raise > the motor. I?m guessing it?s closer to 30-35 pounds pull and then > increasing > as the motor hits the upper stops and starts to tilt. I guess the pull is > higher than I expected due to the friction of the line through all the > blocks plus the friction of the motor mount sliding in the tracks. > My conversion did involve adding some HDPE components so I could move the > top SS tube previously used by the winch strap , adding a jam cleat and > changing the position of the upper stops in the metal channels of the > lift. > I?ll attach a few photos. > > George Morgan > S/V Knotty Lady 1986 > > < > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/2CC9C2A3-357F-4E90-8518-3E5398050BCC.jpeg> > > > < > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/7A5A4438-C004-42D4-9A63-B36F14F66B99.jpeg> > > > < > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/2D29A7C1-E0E4-4583-AD87-F068032AF6E7.jpeg> > > > < > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/C7E622B9-E84D-47E6-8AD2-F1BA786A3777.jpeg> > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ManualMotorLiftPulleySystem.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 91559 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hnw555 at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 18:16:53 2020 From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 18:16:53 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> <1601917892771-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Peter did mention that he was taking it down while he made the changes. On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 5:32 PM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > Peter, thanks for the great work on the website! I was able to check it > out briefly while traveling recently but wanted to take a more detailed > review and provide feedback after catching up upon my return. However, now > that I'm back, I too (like Joe) seem to be getting the 404 Not Found error > when I go to http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22 or > http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/cruising.html > > Is it temporarily unavailable while you've been making some changes? > > Thanks again for all your efforts. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 12:11 PM Joe Dempsey wrote: > > > Peter, I'll have to take everybody else's word for it because all I get > is > > 404 Message which was emailed to you. I look forward to seeing the new > > site. > > > > > > > > ----- > > Joe Dempsey > > s/v Respite > > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > > Deltaville,VA > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 18:26:52 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 17:26:52 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Last Sail of the Season In-Reply-To: References: <008001d69b61$b99ee6a0$2cdcb3e0$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Thanks for sharing the end of season photos. Alexis, that is an awesome on the water picture! Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 5:14 PM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > Looking forward to your picts and captions Mike. And well said about our > sailing passion. > > Chris G > Enosis > > On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 5:51 PM Michael D. Weisner > wrote: > > > Summer Sailstice has nothing on us, da Rhodes22-list! > > > > I am so happy that we have this forum to exchange stories, projects, > ideas > > and images related to a way of life, not just a hobby, sailing. > > > > We plan to be sailing this weekend and then haul next week on the super > > tide, before it gets too cold. We used to sail up to Thanksgiving, but > > then, there are a lot of things that we don?t ... > > > > I will try to remember to snap some pictures for the list. > > > > Mike > > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > > Nissequogue River, NY > > I?d rather be sailing :~) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > > Chris Geankoplis > > Sent: Monday, October 5, 2020 5:37 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Last Sail of the Season > > > > Hey Alex, > > That looks so handsome. We are all so lucky to have this > > opportunity in these times to find joy with others. > > > > Chris G > > Enosis > > > > On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 2:19 PM Alexis Seigneurin < > > alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Very nice! > > > > > > The sailing season isn't over yet in Virginia, but here's a picture > > > taken yesterday by a fellow sailor. > > > > > > Alexis > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 1:40 PM Chris Geankoplis > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Here are two pictures. One of my two crewmates on the last sail of > > > > this season, Thursday October 1st.. That last time I sailed with > > > > both of > > > them > > > > was in high school, in Italy on an old Lightning class sailboat in > > > > 1968, > > > a > > > > long time ago. We got together again for another sail, what fun. > > > > Oh, > > > for > > > > the photo opp, we held our breaths and snapped the picture then > > > > masked > > > back > > > > up. Just not worth the risk at our age. The other photo is me > > > > transferring the re-restored Red Rhodes to my son. I drove out from > > > > Baltimore to Effingham, Illinois Sunday October 3rd and handed it > > > > off to Nick to do a bit of sailing in Kansas before things freeze > > > > up, and then > > > he > > > > will store the boat as we are 50/50 partners on this Rhodes The > > > > sign above the picture says it all, boats, sons, Rhodes 22m, and > > > > sailing in general. One final thought, I hope everyone posts their > > > > "last sail of > > > the > > > > season". And Yes some of you southern boys (and ladies) will never > > > > have > > > a > > > > "last sail of the season". just share them anyway. > > > > > > > > Chris Geankoplis > > > > Enosis (and the Red Rhodes) > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > > > scrubbed... > > > > Name: 5CE4547A-7592-4B55-97C1-591D10429C56.jpeg > > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > > Size: 1191236 bytes > > > > Desc: not available > > > > URL: < > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201005/0971a > > > 00f/attachment.jpeg > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > > > scrubbed... > > > > Name: 1F24B6FA-116B-430A-8008-DD0AA3811729.jpeg > > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > > Size: 1306013 bytes > > > > Desc: not available > > > > URL: < > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201005/0971a > > > 00f/attachment-0001.jpeg > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > > scrubbed... > > > Name: IMG_3762.JPG > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 976075 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201005/1303c > > > 4ef/attachment.jpe > > > > > > > > > > > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 23:09:51 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 23:09:51 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes in Latts & Atts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Jesse, Still waiting on a reply from the boatyard on my email. I'll keep trying. Chris On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 5:34 PM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > Chris, it's great to see your Enosis making an appearance in their online > magazine. The pictures from your adventures really are stunning! Thanks > for sharing. > > Did you find out the fate of your boat following the severe storm in Greece > that you mentioned? > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 8:33 PM Chris Geankoplis > > wrote: > > > I sent in a couple pictures for their ?Why We Cruise? segment. A couple > > made it. See if you can find the Rhodes > > Having trouble viewing this email? www.latsatts.com > > < > > > http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?m=1101990230252&ca=a5fa627b-786d-44ef-a085-addca702314e > > > > > > > Hope the link works for you. > > Chris G > > Enosis > > > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Thu Oct 8 08:03:50 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2020 12:03:50 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cruising To Garden Island - The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Hi Jesse, There is actually another chapter to the Garden Island Cruise. My older son, Daniel, was looking around for an Eagle Service Project when we visited Garden Island. He decided he would try to do some trail improvements on the deserted island. This was a pretty ambitious project considering Garden Island is ~35 miles offshore in the middle of northern Lake Michigan! I didn?t think about it anymore until, one day at work, I got a telephone call from the Commander of the US Coast Guard Station, Charlevoix, MI. He asked me if I knew a Boy Scout named Daniel Pihlaja. I thought, ?Oh No, what does the US Coast Guard want with Daniel?!?? The Commander told me they had discussed Daniel?s potential Eagle Service Project, that he was very impressed with Daniel?s enthusiasm and salesmanship, and was just trying to confirm if this kid was for real or not before committing US Coast Guard resources. Anyway, we ended up doing the trail improvement project as our Troop?s High Adventure Backcountry Camping Trip the following summer. The US Coast Guard transported us and our gear from Charlevoix to Garden Island aboard one of their cutters. This was done at taxpayer expense as a ?training exercise?. The US Coast Guard dropped us off, sailed away, and picked us up four days later. It was a very lonely feeling watching the ship sail away when you are on an uninhabited island in the middle of Lake Michigan! Besides the US Coast Guard, Daniel also had to obtain permission from the Michigan DNR and the Chippewa Indian Tribe to do this project. All the permits from these various burocracies took several months to obtain and I was impressed with Daniel?s patience and persistence as he successfully jumped thru every hoop. The MDNR had a very specific design for trail signs that we had to follow. We prefabricated the trail signs over the winter. The Chippewa Indian Tribe?s primary concern was that the sanctity and dignity of their ancient burial ground be preserved. They asked that none of the trail maps show the location of the burial ground. They also had us put up a sign at the entrance explaining it was holy ground and what was expected of visitors. We had two base camps, one on the north and the other on the south end of the island. Each day, after breakfast, we broke up into work parties and installed our assigned trail signs. We were usually done by early afternoon and the rest of the day was spent swimming and exploring. After two days, we moved our base camp to a location more convenient to install the trail signs on the other end of the island. It was actually quite a relaxing trip. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Jesse Shumaker Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 5:39 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] August, 2006 High Adventure Kayaking Trip To The Apostle Islands Roger, thanks for sharing the PDF of your 2006 adventure in the Apostle Islands. When I was doing a brief review of Peter's new draft of the website last week, I stumbled on the account of your trip from Charlevoix to Beaver Island and Garden Island in Northern Michigan. That is quite an ambitious trip for a 22' boat! After spending time exploring Grand Traverse Bay a couple of weeks ago, my wife and I are planning (weather permitting) to make the trek from Charlevoix to Beaver Island in a bigger boat that we'll be chartering with another couple in late June next year. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 6:15 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi All, > > I keep forgetting that the Rhodes List server strips out MS Word > documents. The attached .pdf file is the day-by-day summary of the trip > mentioned below. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 6:18 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] August, 2006 High Adventure Kayaking Trip To The > Apostle Islands > > From: ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 6:15 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: August, 2006 High Adventure Kayaking Trip To The Apostle Islands > > Hi All, > > I finally found the files for the sea kayaking trip that Daniel, Gary, > Patrick Aldrich, and I took to the Apostle Islands on August 25-28, 2006. > Patrick Aldrich was one of Daniel?s friends from Boy Scouts. The attached > MS Word file is a day-by-day summary of the trip with an annotated chart > showing our travels. The rest of the attached files are photos. The thing > about the sea caves that surprised me the most was how colorful they were > inside. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > [cid:image005.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image029.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30] > [cid:image034.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30] > [cid:image036.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image038.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 > ][cid:image040.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image042.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 > ][cid:image044.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image045.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 > ][cid:image046.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image047.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 > ][cid:image048.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image049.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 > ][cid:image050.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image051.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 > ][cid:image052.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image053.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 > ][cid:image054.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30] > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 6:18 PM > To: Bill Woodgate; Gary Pihlaja gjpihlaja at gmail.com>; Mr. Daniel Pihlaja > Subject: Proposed Summer of 2021 High Adventure Sailing/Kayaking Trip To > The Apostle Islands > > Hi All, > > I?ve tried to imagine in a little more detail what a High Adventure Trip > in the Apostle Islands with S/V Dynamic Equilibrium and the kayaks might > look like. The attached MS PowerPoint file gives an overview of the float > plan. We would probably want to do this trip in mid August, 2021 to give > Lake Superior as much time as possible to warm up. Each day?s course on > the mother ship is shown in a different color and paddling trips are shown > in red. These are going to be several very rich full days in a row; but, > still doable. > > Proposed Itinerary: > > Day Description > > 1 Drive to Little Sand Bay Visitor Center & set up camp at > Little Sand Bay CG > > 2 Morning day trip paddle to Squaw Bay Sea Caves, Lunch at > camp, Rig & launch sailboat, Sail out to Sand Island, Camp on Sand Island > NOTE: The day trip paddle could be switched to the last day to accommodate > weather > > 3 Hike to Sand Island Lighthouse, Day trip paddle to Justice > Bay Sea Caves, Sail to Devil?s Island, Day trip paddle to Devil?s Island > Sea Caves, Sail to Rocky Island, Camp at Rocky Island CG > > 4 Sail to Manitou Island, Tour Manitou Island Fish Camp, Sail > To Stockton Island via east coast & decide if sea caves and balancing rock > are worth a day trip paddle, moor at Stockton Island Dock 1, tour Stockton > Island Visitor Center, Camp at Stockton Island CG > > 5 Sail back to Little Sand Bay Visitor Center, retrieve and > unrig boat, camp at Little Sand Bay CG > > 6 Drive home > > This float plan will let visit all the major sea caves, sea arches, sea > stacks, and other major attractions in the Apostle Islands archipelago. > Devil?s Island is the northern most island in the archipelago. 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I used to be the District Commissioner for our Scout district many years ago, and I had to pass off on the proposed service projects, so I know a good one when I hear about it. Congratulations to Daniel! Frank Goldsmith Eagle Scout, Piedmont Council (NC), BSA S/V Mary Bess (Lake Keowee, SC) > On Oct 8, 2020, at 8:03 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > Hi Jesse, > > There is actually another chapter to the Garden Island Cruise. My older son, Daniel, was looking around for an Eagle Service Project when we visited Garden Island. He decided he would try to do some trail improvements on the deserted island. This was a pretty ambitious project considering Garden Island is ~35 miles offshore in the middle of northern Lake Michigan! I didn?t think about it anymore until, one day at work, I got a telephone call from the Commander of the US Coast Guard Station, Charlevoix, MI. He asked me if I knew a Boy Scout named Daniel Pihlaja. I thought, ?Oh No, what does the US Coast Guard want with Daniel?!?? The Commander told me they had discussed Daniel?s potential Eagle Service Project, that he was very impressed with Daniel?s enthusiasm and salesmanship, and was just trying to confirm if this kid was for real or not before committing US Coast Guard resources. Anyway, we ended up doing the trail improvement project as our Troop?s High Adventure Backcountry Camping Trip the following summer. The US Coast Guard transported us and our gear from Charlevoix to Garden Island aboard one of their cutters. This was done at taxpayer expense as a ?training exercise?. The US Coast Guard dropped us off, sailed away, and picked us up four days later. It was a very lonely feeling watching the ship sail away when you are on an uninhabited island in the middle of Lake Michigan! Besides the US Coast Guard, Daniel also had to obtain permission from the Michigan DNR and the Chippewa Indian Tribe to do this project. All the permits from these various burocracies took several months to obtain and I was impressed with Daniel?s patience and persistence as he successfully jumped thru every hoop. The MDNR had a very specific design for trail signs that we had to follow. We prefabricated the trail signs over the winter. The Chippewa Indian Tribe?s primary concern was that the sanctity and dignity of their ancient burial ground be preserved. They asked that none of the trail maps show the location of the burial ground. They also had us put up a sign at the entrance explaining it was holy ground and what was expected of visitors. We had two base camps, one on the north and the other on the south end of the island. Each day, after breakfast, we broke up into work parties and installed our assigned trail signs. We were usually done by early afternoon and the rest of the day was spent swimming and exploring. After two days, we moved our base camp to a location more convenient to install the trail signs on the other end of the island. It was actually quite a relaxing trip. > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Jesse Shumaker > Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 5:39 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] August, 2006 High Adventure Kayaking Trip To The Apostle Islands > > Roger, thanks for sharing the PDF of your 2006 adventure in the Apostle > Islands. When I was doing a brief review of Peter's new draft of the > website last week, I stumbled on the account of your trip from > Charlevoix to Beaver Island and Garden Island in Northern Michigan. That > is quite an ambitious trip for a 22' boat! After spending time exploring > Grand Traverse Bay a couple of weeks ago, my wife and I are planning > (weather permitting) to make the trek from Charlevoix to Beaver Island in a > bigger boat that we'll be chartering with another couple in late June next > year. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 6:15 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I keep forgetting that the Rhodes List server strips out MS Word >> documents. The attached .pdf file is the day-by-day summary of the trip >> mentioned below. >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> From: ROGER PIHLAJA >> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 6:18 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] August, 2006 High Adventure Kayaking Trip To The >> Apostle Islands >> >> From: ROGER PIHLAJA >> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 6:15 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: August, 2006 High Adventure Kayaking Trip To The Apostle Islands >> >> Hi All, >> >> I finally found the files for the sea kayaking trip that Daniel, Gary, >> Patrick Aldrich, and I took to the Apostle Islands on August 25-28, 2006. >> Patrick Aldrich was one of Daniel?s friends from Boy Scouts. The attached >> MS Word file is a day-by-day summary of the trip with an annotated chart >> showing our travels. The rest of the attached files are photos. The thing >> about the sea caves that surprised me the most was how colorful they were >> inside. >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> [cid:image005.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image029.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30] >> [cid:image034.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30] >> [cid:image036.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image038.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 >> ][cid:image040.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image042.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 >> ][cid:image044.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image045.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 >> ][cid:image046.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image047.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 >> ][cid:image048.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image049.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 >> ][cid:image050.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image051.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 >> ][cid:image052.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image053.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 >> ][cid:image054.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30] >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> From: ROGER PIHLAJA >> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 6:18 PM >> To: Bill Woodgate; Gary Pihlaja> gjpihlaja at gmail.com>; Mr. Daniel Pihlaja >> Subject: Proposed Summer of 2021 High Adventure Sailing/Kayaking Trip To >> The Apostle Islands >> >> Hi All, >> >> I?ve tried to imagine in a little more detail what a High Adventure Trip >> in the Apostle Islands with S/V Dynamic Equilibrium and the kayaks might >> look like. The attached MS PowerPoint file gives an overview of the float >> plan. We would probably want to do this trip in mid August, 2021 to give >> Lake Superior as much time as possible to warm up. Each day?s course on >> the mother ship is shown in a different color and paddling trips are shown >> in red. These are going to be several very rich full days in a row; but, >> still doable. >> >> Proposed Itinerary: >> >> Day Description >> >> 1 Drive to Little Sand Bay Visitor Center & set up camp at >> Little Sand Bay CG >> >> 2 Morning day trip paddle to Squaw Bay Sea Caves, Lunch at >> camp, Rig & launch sailboat, Sail out to Sand Island, Camp on Sand Island >> NOTE: The day trip paddle could be switched to the last day to accommodate >> weather >> >> 3 Hike to Sand Island Lighthouse, Day trip paddle to Justice >> Bay Sea Caves, Sail to Devil?s Island, Day trip paddle to Devil?s Island >> Sea Caves, Sail to Rocky Island, Camp at Rocky Island CG >> >> 4 Sail to Manitou Island, Tour Manitou Island Fish Camp, Sail >> To Stockton Island via east coast & decide if sea caves and balancing rock >> are worth a day trip paddle, moor at Stockton Island Dock 1, tour Stockton >> Island Visitor Center, Camp at Stockton Island CG >> >> 5 Sail back to Little Sand Bay Visitor Center, retrieve and >> unrig boat, camp at Little Sand Bay CG >> >> 6 Drive home >> >> This float plan will let visit all the major sea caves, sea arches, sea >> stacks, and other major attractions in the Apostle Islands archipelago. >> Devil?s Island is the northern most island in the archipelago. The dock at >> Rocky Island is one of the most protected docks, especially in the outer >> islands. We could hunker down here to allow bad weather to pass by if we >> had to. The dock at Stockton Island is also relatively well protected, >> except from the south and southwest. 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Of course Roger is head on.? Our system uses 3, not 4, trolley contacts with the boat; a large wheel at the bottom center of the trolley and a pair of sliders or wheels on the sides of the top end of the trolley.? This facilitates the automatic tilting of the motor at the proper lift height and, so far at least, results in zero binding at any point of travel in the tracks. But you can skip all of this. We think we are this winter away from inboard retractable electric propulsion. ? Imagine never having to take your eyes off where you are headed by having a single handed electronic control that does it all. On 9/6/20 2:25 PM, Gmorganflier wrote: > I emailed Roger for an engineering answer to the question Peter and I had > about why it was taking more pull than we expected. Below is his response. I > obviously had a misconception about how a block and tackle system works and > I didn?t consider the horizontal component Roger described. > > George > > _____________________ > > ?Hi George, > > I see two issues with your design. The force is only evenly distributed > among the various falls between the blocks until the motor starts to move. > Once the motor starts to move, the tension in each fall drops off by the > force ratio in the block and tackle up to that point. i.e. Fall 1 has ~106 > lbs of tension, fall 2 has ~53 lbs, and so forth. If you look at the way > the line is rigged thru the various blocks and sum up the tension on the > block mounting points, you will see the block closer to the port side has > considerably more force on it than the other block. This unequal loading > might be tending to cause the sliding motor mount to be nonsquare in the > tracks, thus causing it to bind up slightly. The other issue is the > changing geometry as the motor gets near the top of the track. Your design > pulls on the motor mount at an angle instead of straight up and down the > track. So, there is a horizontal component of the block and tackle force > that is trying to pull the motor into the transom and only the vertical > component is raising the motor. This vertical component is proportional to > the tangent of the angle made by the block and tackle relative to vertical. > As the motor approaches the top of the track, this angle increases. Thus, > more and more of the force is wasted trying to pull the motor into the > transom. So, not only is there less vertical force available to lift the > motor as it nears the top of its travel; but, this horizontal component > might also be causing the sliding motor mount to bind in the track, with the > binding getting worse as the motor nears the top of its travel. > > The GBI manual motor mount design clusters all the blocks on the centerline, > the tension from the block and tackle is directly in line with the tracks, > and the force available to lift the motor doesn?t change with motor > position; thus eliminating or minimizing all the effects described above. > Using standard off the shelf hardware, I don?t see anyway to fix your > design. You may just have to live with it. If there really is the binding > I am describing; then, you will also experience increased wear on the > sliding components. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium? > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From Colealexander at hotmail.com Thu Oct 8 19:26:55 2020 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2020 16:26:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] August, 2006 High Adventure Kayaking Trip To The Apostle Islands In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1602199615956-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Amazing pictures. I?m adding it to my list. How do you get on and off the kayaks from the boat? Alex ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Thu Oct 8 20:22:12 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2020 20:22:12 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail of the season Message-ID: On Sunday I delivered my (our) Rhodes to my son who continued the delivery from Illinois to Kansas. He was quite excited as he now can have 2 sailboats parked in front of his house. The carmel colored boat to the left is a restored 1984 Ensanada 20. (see picture) He pulled the Ensenada out of the slip (after only putting it in the water for the first time a month ago) so he can put the Rhodes in the water. This will be his first sail (Rhodes) of the season. He promises some pictures. He should shortly be the newest member of the list. Chris Geankoplis Enosis -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 8, 2020, at 2:23 PM, stan wrote: > > ? > George. > > Of course Roger is head on. Our system uses 3, not 4, trolley contacts with the boat; a large wheel at the bottom center of the trolley and a pair of sliders or wheels on the sides of the top end of the trolley. This facilitates the automatic tilting of the motor at the proper lift height and, so far at least, results in zero binding at any point of travel in the tracks. > > But you can skip all of this. We think we are this winter away from inboard retractable electric propulsion. Imagine never having to take your eyes off where you are headed by having a single handed electronic control that does it all. > > >> On 9/6/20 2:25 PM, Gmorganflier wrote: >> I emailed Roger for an engineering answer to the question Peter and I had >> about why it was taking more pull than we expected. Below is his response. I >> obviously had a misconception about how a block and tackle system works and >> I didn?t consider the horizontal component Roger described. >> >> George >> >> _____________________ >> >> ?Hi George, >> I see two issues with your design. The force is only evenly distributed >> among the various falls between the blocks until the motor starts to move. >> Once the motor starts to move, the tension in each fall drops off by the >> force ratio in the block and tackle up to that point. i.e. Fall 1 has ~106 >> lbs of tension, fall 2 has ~53 lbs, and so forth. If you look at the way >> the line is rigged thru the various blocks and sum up the tension on the >> block mounting points, you will see the block closer to the port side has >> considerably more force on it than the other block. This unequal loading >> might be tending to cause the sliding motor mount to be nonsquare in the >> tracks, thus causing it to bind up slightly. The other issue is the >> changing geometry as the motor gets near the top of the track. Your design >> pulls on the motor mount at an angle instead of straight up and down the >> track. So, there is a horizontal component of the block and tackle force >> that is trying to pull the motor into the transom and only the vertical >> component is raising the motor. This vertical component is proportional to >> the tangent of the angle made by the block and tackle relative to vertical. >> As the motor approaches the top of the track, this angle increases. Thus, >> more and more of the force is wasted trying to pull the motor into the >> transom. So, not only is there less vertical force available to lift the >> motor as it nears the top of its travel; but, this horizontal component >> might also be causing the sliding motor mount to bind in the track, with the >> binding getting worse as the motor nears the top of its travel. >> The GBI manual motor mount design clusters all the blocks on the centerline, >> the tension from the block and tackle is directly in line with the tracks, >> and the force available to lift the motor doesn?t change with motor >> position; thus eliminating or minimizing all the effects described above. >> Using standard off the shelf hardware, I don?t see anyway to fix your >> design. You may just have to live with it. If there really is the binding >> I am describing; then, you will also experience increased wear on the >> sliding components. >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium? >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >> > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Fri Oct 9 08:46:34 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2020 12:46:34 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] August, 2006 High Adventure Kayaking Trip To The Apostle Islands In-Reply-To: <1602199615956-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: , <1602199615956-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Alex, If you look in the archives, there is actually an article with photos that I wrote in the run-up to our circumnavigation of Isle Royale. Basically, you need to install amidships spring lines, port and starboard on your kayak. These spring lines need to attach slightly forward and slightly aft of the center of lateral resistance. The center of lateral resistance is the point on the hull which the boat rotates around when it yaws. In the case of a single seat kayak hull, the center of lateral resistance is usually right under the seat. The system works on either the port or starboard side; but, let?s assume we want to board the kayak from the port side. First, you tie off the spring lines so there is no slack from the mother ship to the kayak when the kayak is right alongside. Then, you step into the kayak, keeping your weight on the port side. Normally, your unbalanced weight would instantly flip the kayak. But, now the spring lines take up the load and the kayak remains upright. Keeping your weight biased towards the port side and hanging on to the mother ship, you quickly lower yourself into the kayak the rest of the way and attach the spray skirt. Then, you release the springs lines and paddle away from the mother ship. Getting out is simply the reverse of this procedure. Having the spring lines attached forward and aft of the kayak?s center of lateral resistance keeps the yawing to a minimum as the kayak and mother ship rise and fall in waves during the boarding/unboarding process. Never the less, it?s always a somewhat tippy, unstable process and you want to get it done as quickly as possible. Practice first at a stationary object, like a dock, before you attempt this from a mother ship in any kind of waves. It?s not idiot proof; but, it is possible. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: S/V Lark Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 7:26 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] August, 2006 High Adventure Kayaking Trip To The Apostle Islands Amazing pictures. I?m adding it to my list. How do you get on and off the kayaks from the boat? Alex ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Fri Oct 9 08:55:23 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2020 12:55:23 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail of the season In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chris, Please forgive my ignorance of Kansas geography. But, what body of water is your son going to sail S/V Enosis on in Kansas? Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Chris Geankoplis Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 8:22 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail of the season On Sunday I delivered my (our) Rhodes to my son who continued the delivery from Illinois to Kansas. He was quite excited as he now can have 2 sailboats parked in front of his house. The carmel colored boat to the left is a restored 1984 Ensanada 20. (see picture) He pulled the Ensenada out of the slip (after only putting it in the water for the first time a month ago) so he can put the Rhodes in the water. This will be his first sail (Rhodes) of the season. He promises some pictures. He should shortly be the newest member of the list. Chris Geankoplis Enosis -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: EB9E3C39-C358-4BF7-80DF-17EB88C39096.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 5886731 bytes Desc: not available URL: From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Fri Oct 9 10:54:40 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2020 10:54:40 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail of the season In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: He Roger, There is a really nice and spacious public swimming pool at K-State University. Also there are several buffalo wallows that fill up in the rainy season (grin). Actually there is Millford reservoir (largest in KANSAS) that is about 25 sq mi or roughly 13 miles long and 1 to 3 miles wide about 40 minutes from their house. The reservoir is nicely twisty and variable in size and has over 150 miles of shoreline. There is also Tuttle Creek Reservoir that is only 10 minutes from the house and is 19 sq. miles and about 20 miles long by 1 mile wide. It is pretty much an elongated rectangle. All in all not too bad and there is a nice little yacht club at Millford with docks and is quite reasonable. At Tuttle Creek there is a yacht club with a launch ramp and moorings and free unlimited land storage for about $300 a year. Since he and his wife teach they have summers off and a couple of long breaks so it will be probably the Sea of Cortez (24hrs away) and Pacific NW. (Vancouver) 28 hrs. To Ft Lauderdale (jump off for Bahamas) is around the same as Mexico. It is only 11 hrs to Green Bay. All of these places he has sailed a Rhodes (except for the Great Lakes) and really enjoys the areas. Plus, since we are Co-owners these places are open to us during the time we are not on the big boat or the Greek boat. Chris Geankoplis Enosi (mine and his) On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 8:55 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Chris, > > Please forgive my ignorance of Kansas geography. But, what body of water > is your son going to sail S/V Enosis on in Kansas? > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Chris Geankoplis > Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 8:22 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First sail of the season > > On Sunday I delivered my (our) Rhodes to my son who continued the delivery > from Illinois to Kansas. He was quite excited as he now can have 2 > sailboats parked in front of his house. The carmel colored boat to the > left is a restored 1984 Ensanada 20. (see picture) He pulled the Ensenada > out of the slip (after only putting it in the water for the first time a > month ago) so he can put the Rhodes in the water. This will be his > first sail (Rhodes) of the season. He promises some pictures. He should > shortly be the newest member of the list. > > Chris Geankoplis > Enosis > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: EB9E3C39-C358-4BF7-80DF-17EB88C39096.jpeg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 5886731 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201008/031ff0cc/attachment.jpeg > > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Sat Oct 10 09:44:58 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2020 08:44:58 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cruising To Garden Island - The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Roger, thanks for sharing about your son Daniel's eagle scout project. That sounds like another great adventure! If we make it to Garden Island on our trip next June, I'll be sure to take some photos of the trails since that may bring back some good memories. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 7:03 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi Jesse, > > There is actually another chapter to the Garden Island Cruise. My older > son, Daniel, was looking around for an Eagle Service Project when we > visited Garden Island. He decided he would try to do some trail > improvements on the deserted island. This was a pretty ambitious project > considering Garden Island is ~35 miles offshore in the middle of northern > Lake Michigan! I didn?t think about it anymore until, one day at work, I > got a telephone call from the Commander of the US Coast Guard Station, > Charlevoix, MI. He asked me if I knew a Boy Scout named Daniel Pihlaja. I > thought, ?Oh No, what does the US Coast Guard want with Daniel?!?? The > Commander told me they had discussed Daniel?s potential Eagle Service > Project, that he was very impressed with Daniel?s enthusiasm and > salesmanship, and was just trying to confirm if this kid was for real or > not before committing US Coast Guard resources. Anyway, we ended up doing > the trail improvement project as our Troop?s High Adventure Backcountry > Camping Trip the following summer. The US Coast Guard transported us and > our gear from Charlevoix to Garden Island aboard one of their cutters. > This was done at taxpayer expense as a ?training exercise?. The US Coast > Guard dropped us off, sailed away, and picked us up four days later. It > was a very lonely feeling watching the ship sail away when you are on an > uninhabited island in the middle of Lake Michigan! Besides the US Coast > Guard, Daniel also had to obtain permission from the Michigan DNR and the > Chippewa Indian Tribe to do this project. All the permits from these > various burocracies took several months to obtain and I was impressed with > Daniel?s patience and persistence as he successfully jumped thru every > hoop. The MDNR had a very specific design for trail signs that we had to > follow. We prefabricated the trail signs over the winter. The Chippewa > Indian Tribe?s primary concern was that the sanctity and dignity of their > ancient burial ground be preserved. They asked that none of the trail maps > show the location of the burial ground. They also had us put up a sign at > the entrance explaining it was holy ground and what was expected of > visitors. We had two base camps, one on the north and the other on the > south end of the island. Each day, after breakfast, we broke up into work > parties and installed our assigned trail signs. We were usually done by > early afternoon and the rest of the day was spent swimming and exploring. > After two days, we moved our base camp to a location more convenient to > install the trail signs on the other end of the island. It was actually > quite a relaxing trip. > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Jesse Shumaker > Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 5:39 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] August, 2006 High Adventure Kayaking Trip To > The Apostle Islands > > Roger, thanks for sharing the PDF of your 2006 adventure in the Apostle > Islands. When I was doing a brief review of Peter's new draft of the > website last week, I stumbled on the account of your trip from > Charlevoix to Beaver Island and Garden Island in Northern Michigan. That > is quite an ambitious trip for a 22' boat! After spending time exploring > Grand Traverse Bay a couple of weeks ago, my wife and I are planning > (weather permitting) to make the trek from Charlevoix to Beaver Island in a > bigger boat that we'll be chartering with another couple in late June next > year. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 6:15 AM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > I keep forgetting that the Rhodes List server strips out MS Word > > documents. The attached .pdf file is the day-by-day summary of the trip > > mentioned below. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for > > Windows 10 > > > > From: ROGER PIHLAJA > > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 6:18 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] August, 2006 High Adventure Kayaking Trip To The > > Apostle Islands > > > > From: ROGER PIHLAJA > > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 6:15 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: August, 2006 High Adventure Kayaking Trip To The Apostle Islands > > > > Hi All, > > > > I finally found the files for the sea kayaking trip that Daniel, Gary, > > Patrick Aldrich, and I took to the Apostle Islands on August 25-28, 2006. > > Patrick Aldrich was one of Daniel?s friends from Boy Scouts. The > attached > > MS Word file is a day-by-day summary of the trip with an annotated chart > > showing our travels. The rest of the attached files are photos. The > thing > > about the sea caves that surprised me the most was how colorful they were > > inside. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > [cid:image005.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image029.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30] > > [cid:image034.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30] > > [cid:image036.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image038.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 > > ][cid:image040.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image042.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 > > ][cid:image044.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image045.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 > > ][cid:image046.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image047.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 > > ][cid:image048.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image049.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 > > ][cid:image050.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image051.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 > > ][cid:image052.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image053.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 > > ][cid:image054.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30] > > > > Sent from Mail for > > Windows 10 > > > > From: ROGER PIHLAJA > > Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 6:18 PM > > To: Bill Woodgate; Gary Pihlaja > gjpihlaja at gmail.com>; Mr. Daniel Pihlaja > > Subject: Proposed Summer of 2021 High Adventure Sailing/Kayaking Trip To > > The Apostle Islands > > > > Hi All, > > > > I?ve tried to imagine in a little more detail what a High Adventure Trip > > in the Apostle Islands with S/V Dynamic Equilibrium and the kayaks might > > look like. The attached MS PowerPoint file gives an overview of the > float > > plan. We would probably want to do this trip in mid August, 2021 to give > > Lake Superior as much time as possible to warm up. Each day?s course on > > the mother ship is shown in a different color and paddling trips are > shown > > in red. These are going to be several very rich full days in a row; but, > > still doable. > > > > Proposed Itinerary: > > > > Day Description > > > > 1 Drive to Little Sand Bay Visitor Center & set up camp at > > Little Sand Bay CG > > > > 2 Morning day trip paddle to Squaw Bay Sea Caves, Lunch at > > camp, Rig & launch sailboat, Sail out to Sand Island, Camp on Sand Island > > NOTE: The day trip paddle could be switched to the last day to > accommodate > > weather > > > > 3 Hike to Sand Island Lighthouse, Day trip paddle to Justice > > Bay Sea Caves, Sail to Devil?s Island, Day trip paddle to Devil?s Island > > Sea Caves, Sail to Rocky Island, Camp at Rocky Island CG > > > > 4 Sail to Manitou Island, Tour Manitou Island Fish Camp, Sail > > To Stockton Island via east coast & decide if sea caves and balancing > rock > > are worth a day trip paddle, moor at Stockton Island Dock 1, tour > Stockton > > Island Visitor Center, Camp at Stockton Island CG > > > > 5 Sail back to Little Sand Bay Visitor Center, retrieve and > > unrig boat, camp at Little Sand Bay CG > > > > 6 Drive home > > > > This float plan will let visit all the major sea caves, sea arches, sea > > stacks, and other major attractions in the Apostle Islands archipelago. > > Devil?s Island is the northern most island in the archipelago. The dock > at > > Rocky Island is one of the most protected docks, especially in the outer > > islands. We could hunker down here to allow bad weather to pass by if we > > had to. The dock at Stockton Island is also relatively well protected, > > except from the south and southwest. 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<8992F331-63F7-489B-8D6B-FD2AE3C0A97A@adsne.com> Message-ID: Hi Allyn, Are you looking to get a depth finder to incorporate with Navionics for purposes of their SonarChart functionality that allows you to create bathymetry maps? If so, it appears you can use SonarPhone T-BOX with Navionics for that purpose. More info is available at the links below: https://www.navionics.com/usa/company/supported-manufacturers/sonarphone https://www.navionics.com/usa/support/compatibility-guides/sonarchart-live I just got Navionics before our trip to Michigan and found it very helpful. I was using it on my phone (Samsung Galaxy Active S8 running Android). About a year ago, my phone took a significant drop and I think that may have damaged the GPS receiver inside since it sometimes loses connection. For that reason, and also because I'm a bit nervous about having my phone out in the cockpit since I don't want it to go overboard, I just got an iPod Touch that I'll pair with a Bad Elf Pro via Bluetooth to catch the GPS signal. I ordered a waterproof case for the iPod touch and a wristband ( https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07Z76ZB8G) to hold the iPod. I found myself moving around and zooming, etc. so it's nice to have the iPod immediately available. Since the Navionics subscription extends to all of your devices, I also loaded it on a tablet which I use when planning navigation but I didn't actually have it mounted in the cockpit. I might try to add a mount for the tablet in the cockpit of my R22 next summer. Of course the depth finder on the charter boat was not integrated with Navionics on my phone, but I don't think that would have added much value. I'm always keeping an eye on the depth finder in any shallow area anyway and you can set alarms on depth finders so it will go off once you reach a specified depth. Regarding the iPad setup, if you want a GPS receiver built in, you'll need to get an IPad with Cellular (from what I have read, that also includes a GPS chip). If you go for the wifi only model, then you can pair that with a GPS receiver such as one of the versions of Bad Elf or Garmin GLO. You can download the charts while still on wifi and they are available for use when you're out on the water without wifi/cell connection. While I really like the digital charts on Navionics, I found the OpenCPN preferable when I want to look at NOAA charts in digital format, so I have both apps loaded. The learning curve is steeper for OpenCPN. Perhaps you already know most of this. I just researched this recently for my own purposes so I figured I might as well share. It would be great if you can let us know what setup you end up going with. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 7:56 PM Allyn Baskerville wrote: > I?m looking at doing some coastal sailing next year, and I?m leaning > towards installing the Navionics app on an iPad. I?ve bred searching around > for a depth finder that will integrate with this setup. I?ve been looking > around but not really sure what works well. Any suggestions? Thanks > > Sent from my iPhone > From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Sat Oct 10 10:58:59 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2020 10:58:59 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] using a tablet for navigation In-Reply-To: References: <8992F331-63F7-489B-8D6B-FD2AE3C0A97A@adsne.com> Message-ID: <039001d69f15$e51eaa10$af5bfe30$@ca> This year I began to play around with using an older tablet (Samsung ST-520) with various navigational programs. While this technology is fascinating and attractive I find it almost useless for the simple reason that in daylight conditions the screen is virtually unreadable. I would be interested to know what do others might do to address this problem? Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Sat Oct 10 13:14:56 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2020 12:14:56 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] using a tablet for navigation In-Reply-To: <039001d69f15$e51eaa10$af5bfe30$@ca> References: <8992F331-63F7-489B-8D6B-FD2AE3C0A97A@adsne.com> <039001d69f15$e51eaa10$af5bfe30$@ca> Message-ID: I view in the shade of cabin. I did a test of navionic pro this year and will give them my money next year. Why spend 1000 on a marine unit today, only for the nits. (Nits are units of measurement for screen brightness) What apps are your favorite? On Sat, Oct 10, 2020, 9:59 AM Graham Stewart wrote: > This year I began to play around with using an older tablet (Samsung > ST-520) with various navigational programs. While this technology is > fascinating and attractive I find it almost useless for the simple reason > that in daylight conditions the screen is virtually unreadable. > > I would be interested to know what do others might do to address this > problem? > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Sat Oct 10 13:17:03 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2020 12:17:03 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bluetooth depth finder for Navionics In-Reply-To: References: <8992F331-63F7-489B-8D6B-FD2AE3C0A97A@adsne.com> Message-ID: Great info Jesse thanks! On Sat, Oct 10, 2020, 9:14 AM Jesse Shumaker wrote: > Hi Allyn, > > Are you looking to get a depth finder to incorporate with Navionics for > purposes of their SonarChart functionality that allows you to create > bathymetry maps? If so, it appears you can use SonarPhone T-BOX with > Navionics for that purpose. More info is available at the links below: > https://www.navionics.com/usa/company/supported-manufacturers/sonarphone > https://www.navionics.com/usa/support/compatibility-guides/sonarchart-live > > I just got Navionics before our trip to Michigan and found it very > helpful. I was using it on my phone (Samsung Galaxy Active S8 running > Android). About a year ago, my phone took a significant drop and I think > that may have damaged the GPS receiver inside since it sometimes > loses connection. For that reason, and also because I'm a bit nervous > about having my phone out in the cockpit since I don't want it to go > overboard, I just got an iPod Touch that I'll pair with a Bad Elf Pro via > Bluetooth to catch the GPS signal. I ordered a waterproof case for the > iPod touch and a wristband ( https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07Z76ZB8G) > to hold the iPod. I found myself moving around and zooming, etc. so it's > nice to have the iPod immediately available. Since the Navionics > subscription extends to all of your devices, I also loaded it on a tablet > which I use when planning navigation but I didn't actually have it mounted > in the cockpit. I might try to add a mount for the tablet in the cockpit > of my R22 next summer. > > Of course the depth finder on the charter boat was not integrated with > Navionics on my phone, but I don't think that would have added much value. > I'm always keeping an eye on the depth finder in any shallow area anyway > and you can set alarms on depth finders so it will go off once you reach a > specified depth. > > Regarding the iPad setup, if you want a GPS receiver built in, you'll need > to get an IPad with Cellular (from what I have read, that also includes a > GPS chip). If you go for the wifi only model, then you can pair that with > a GPS receiver such as one of the versions of Bad Elf or Garmin GLO. You > can download the charts while still on wifi and they are available for use > when you're out on the water without wifi/cell connection. > > While I really like the digital charts on Navionics, I found the OpenCPN > preferable when I want to look at NOAA charts in digital format, so I have > both apps loaded. The learning curve is steeper for OpenCPN. > > Perhaps you already know most of this. I just researched this recently for > my own purposes so I figured I might as well share. > > It would be great if you can let us know what setup you end up going with. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 7:56 PM Allyn Baskerville wrote: > > > I?m looking at doing some coastal sailing next year, and I?m leaning > > towards installing the Navionics app on an iPad. I?ve bred searching > around > > for a depth finder that will integrate with this setup. I?ve been looking > > around but not really sure what works well. Any suggestions? Thanks > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Sat Oct 10 13:52:40 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2020 17:52:40 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cruising To Garden Island - The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Jesse, Given the number of years since they were installed and the harsh weather, I?d be curious what the condition of our trail signs are. Hopefully, nobody vandalized them; but, you never know. The Native American Graveyard is pretty interesting. The hiking is easy, with no more than 20 feet of elevation change over the entire island. Hopefully, there?s been enough foot traffic over the years to keep the trails from getting overgrown There is only one natural harbor on the east side of Garden Island. It?s pretty well protected; but the bottom is gravel and the holding is poor. If you are staying overnight, consider putting out 2 anchors. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 10, 2020, at 9:45 AM, Jesse Shumaker wrote: > > ?Roger, thanks for sharing about your son Daniel's eagle scout project. > That sounds like another great adventure! If we make it to Garden Island > on our trip next June, I'll be sure to take some photos of the trails since > that may bring back some good memories. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > >> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 7:03 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >> >> Hi Jesse, >> >> There is actually another chapter to the Garden Island Cruise. My older >> son, Daniel, was looking around for an Eagle Service Project when we >> visited Garden Island. He decided he would try to do some trail >> improvements on the deserted island. This was a pretty ambitious project >> considering Garden Island is ~35 miles offshore in the middle of northern >> Lake Michigan! I didn?t think about it anymore until, one day at work, I >> got a telephone call from the Commander of the US Coast Guard Station, >> Charlevoix, MI. He asked me if I knew a Boy Scout named Daniel Pihlaja. I >> thought, ?Oh No, what does the US Coast Guard want with Daniel?!?? The >> Commander told me they had discussed Daniel?s potential Eagle Service >> Project, that he was very impressed with Daniel?s enthusiasm and >> salesmanship, and was just trying to confirm if this kid was for real or >> not before committing US Coast Guard resources. Anyway, we ended up doing >> the trail improvement project as our Troop?s High Adventure Backcountry >> Camping Trip the following summer. The US Coast Guard transported us and >> our gear from Charlevoix to Garden Island aboard one of their cutters. >> This was done at taxpayer expense as a ?training exercise?. The US Coast >> Guard dropped us off, sailed away, and picked us up four days later. It >> was a very lonely feeling watching the ship sail away when you are on an >> uninhabited island in the middle of Lake Michigan! Besides the US Coast >> Guard, Daniel also had to obtain permission from the Michigan DNR and the >> Chippewa Indian Tribe to do this project. All the permits from these >> various burocracies took several months to obtain and I was impressed with >> Daniel?s patience and persistence as he successfully jumped thru every >> hoop. The MDNR had a very specific design for trail signs that we had to >> follow. We prefabricated the trail signs over the winter. The Chippewa >> Indian Tribe?s primary concern was that the sanctity and dignity of their >> ancient burial ground be preserved. They asked that none of the trail maps >> show the location of the burial ground. They also had us put up a sign at >> the entrance explaining it was holy ground and what was expected of >> visitors. We had two base camps, one on the north and the other on the >> south end of the island. Each day, after breakfast, we broke up into work >> parties and installed our assigned trail signs. We were usually done by >> early afternoon and the rest of the day was spent swimming and exploring. >> After two days, we moved our base camp to a location more convenient to >> install the trail signs on the other end of the island. It was actually >> quite a relaxing trip. >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> From: Jesse Shumaker >> Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 5:39 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] August, 2006 High Adventure Kayaking Trip To >> The Apostle Islands >> >> Roger, thanks for sharing the PDF of your 2006 adventure in the Apostle >> Islands. When I was doing a brief review of Peter's new draft of the >> website last week, I stumbled on the account of your trip from >> Charlevoix to Beaver Island and Garden Island in Northern Michigan. That >> is quite an ambitious trip for a 22' boat! After spending time exploring >> Grand Traverse Bay a couple of weeks ago, my wife and I are planning >> (weather permitting) to make the trek from Charlevoix to Beaver Island in a >> bigger boat that we'll be chartering with another couple in late June next >> year. >> >> Jesse Shumaker >> S/V Zephyr >> >> On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 6:15 AM ROGER PIHLAJA >> wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I keep forgetting that the Rhodes List server strips out MS Word >>> documents. The attached .pdf file is the day-by-day summary of the trip >>> mentioned below. >>> >>> Roger Pihlaja >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>> >>> Sent from Mail for >>> Windows 10 >>> >>> From: ROGER PIHLAJA >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 6:18 PM >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] August, 2006 High Adventure Kayaking Trip To The >>> Apostle Islands >>> >>> From: ROGER PIHLAJA >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 6:15 PM >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>> Subject: August, 2006 High Adventure Kayaking Trip To The Apostle Islands >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I finally found the files for the sea kayaking trip that Daniel, Gary, >>> Patrick Aldrich, and I took to the Apostle Islands on August 25-28, 2006. >>> Patrick Aldrich was one of Daniel?s friends from Boy Scouts. The >> attached >>> MS Word file is a day-by-day summary of the trip with an annotated chart >>> showing our travels. The rest of the attached files are photos. The >> thing >>> about the sea caves that surprised me the most was how colorful they were >>> inside. >>> >>> Roger Pihlaja >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>> >>> [cid:image005.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image029.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30] >>> [cid:image034.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30] >>> [cid:image036.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image038.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 >>> ][cid:image040.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image042.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 >>> ][cid:image044.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image045.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 >>> ][cid:image046.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image047.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 >>> ][cid:image048.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image049.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 >>> ][cid:image050.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image051.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 >>> ][cid:image052.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image053.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 >>> ][cid:image054.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30] >>> >>> Sent from Mail for >>> Windows 10 >>> >>> From: ROGER PIHLAJA >>> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 6:18 PM >>> To: Bill Woodgate; Gary Pihlaja>> gjpihlaja at gmail.com>; Mr. Daniel Pihlaja >>> Subject: Proposed Summer of 2021 High Adventure Sailing/Kayaking Trip To >>> The Apostle Islands >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I?ve tried to imagine in a little more detail what a High Adventure Trip >>> in the Apostle Islands with S/V Dynamic Equilibrium and the kayaks might >>> look like. The attached MS PowerPoint file gives an overview of the >> float >>> plan. We would probably want to do this trip in mid August, 2021 to give >>> Lake Superior as much time as possible to warm up. Each day?s course on >>> the mother ship is shown in a different color and paddling trips are >> shown >>> in red. These are going to be several very rich full days in a row; but, >>> still doable. >>> >>> Proposed Itinerary: >>> >>> Day Description >>> >>> 1 Drive to Little Sand Bay Visitor Center & set up camp at >>> Little Sand Bay CG >>> >>> 2 Morning day trip paddle to Squaw Bay Sea Caves, Lunch at >>> camp, Rig & launch sailboat, Sail out to Sand Island, Camp on Sand Island >>> NOTE: The day trip paddle could be switched to the last day to >> accommodate >>> weather >>> >>> 3 Hike to Sand Island Lighthouse, Day trip paddle to Justice >>> Bay Sea Caves, Sail to Devil?s Island, Day trip paddle to Devil?s Island >>> Sea Caves, Sail to Rocky Island, Camp at Rocky Island CG >>> >>> 4 Sail to Manitou Island, Tour Manitou Island Fish Camp, Sail >>> To Stockton Island via east coast & decide if sea caves and balancing >> rock >>> are worth a day trip paddle, moor at Stockton Island Dock 1, tour >> Stockton >>> Island Visitor Center, Camp at Stockton Island CG >>> >>> 5 Sail back to Little Sand Bay Visitor Center, retrieve and >>> unrig boat, camp at Little Sand Bay CG >>> >>> 6 Drive home >>> >>> This float plan will let visit all the major sea caves, sea arches, sea >>> stacks, and other major attractions in the Apostle Islands archipelago. >>> Devil?s Island is the northern most island in the archipelago. The dock >> at >>> Rocky Island is one of the most protected docks, especially in the outer >>> islands. We could hunker down here to allow bad weather to pass by if we >>> had to. The dock at Stockton Island is also relatively well protected, >>> except from the south and southwest. 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Message-ID: <039901d69f32$6058c5a0$210a50e0$@ca> Tom: I played around with Navionics, SailFreeGps, Wavve and iBoating. Which is best depends on how you use it. Navionics is clearly the most powerful and complete but it is also the most expensive. In my case I am only sailing in familiar and hazard free waters and want a program that is easy to use and inexpensive. I don't have a need for a chart plotter so much as I just enjoy playing with it. The fact that I can't see the screen under most daytime lighting unless I go below makes it all less attractive. In my case I think I will go for either SailFreeGPS (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.frederic.sailfreegps&hl=en_CA&gl=US ) or Wavve (https://wavveboating.com/ ). Wave is just about perfect for me except that for some strange reason it does not show boat speed until you are going more than 5 knots - which for me is more than I go most of the time. What it does have is depth readings that you can set for the draft of your boat so that you will get a warning should you wander into shallow water. It costs only $20 per year. SailFreeGPS is not entirely free but at $10/per year for the paid version is pretty good. It is surprisingly capable and has some unique features such as a man overboard feature the impresses me. Some of it is very technical for me. It has a great screen that tracks course, direction and speed. However, If you are doing any serious navigating in new locations Navionics seems like the obvious choice and that no doubt is why it is the most popular by far. Graham Stewart gstewart8 at cogeco.ca -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Tom Van Heule Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2020 1:15 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] using a tablet for navigation I view in the shade of cabin. I did a test of navionic pro this year and will give them my money next year. Why spend 1000 on a marine unit today, only for the nits. (Nits are units of measurement for screen brightness) What apps are your favorite? On Sat, Oct 10, 2020, 9:59 AM Graham Stewart wrote: > This year I began to play around with using an older tablet (Samsung > ST-520) with various navigational programs. While this technology is > fascinating and attractive I find it almost useless for the simple reason > that in daylight conditions the screen is virtually unreadable. > > I would be interested to know what do others might do to address this > problem? > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Sat Oct 10 16:06:01 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2020 16:06:01 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] using a tablet for navigation In-Reply-To: <039001d69f15$e51eaa10$af5bfe30$@ca> References: <8992F331-63F7-489B-8D6B-FD2AE3C0A97A@adsne.com> <039001d69f15$e51eaa10$af5bfe30$@ca> Message-ID: Like Tom said, my iPad is usually on the galley counter, where it is in the shade most of the time. For times when I want to be able to see it while manning the tiller, like when coming into an unfamiliar harbor, I use components I bought from Ram Mount (https://www.rammount.com) to attach the iPad to the underside of the bimini. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On Oct 10, 2020, at 10:58 AM, Graham Stewart wrote: > > This year I began to play around with using an older tablet (Samsung ST-520) with various navigational programs. While this technology is fascinating and attractive I find it almost useless for the simple reason that in daylight conditions the screen is virtually unreadable. > > I would be interested to know what do others might do to address this problem? > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Sat Oct 10 16:47:03 2020 From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2020 16:47:03 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] using a tablet for navigation In-Reply-To: References: <8992F331-63F7-489B-8D6B-FD2AE3C0A97A@adsne.com> <039001d69f15$e51eaa10$af5bfe30$@ca> Message-ID: <19719144-700a-657a-1a36-502890d2b724@atlanticbb.net> When we had the Rhodes, we were mostly paper chart people with a handheld GPS for confirmation. Had Navionics been available, we probably would have used it for cruise and course planning, entering unfamiliar harbors etc. I think we could have seen it in the shade of the bimini but would have mostly kept it in the cabin. As I write this, it occurs to me that we could have mounted it on a RAM mount that swung into view in the companionway. Now that we've gone over to the dark side and become powerboaters, Navionics on a Samsung tablet is our GPS and chartplotter. We find it amazingly accurate and the addition of the Active Captain data is helpful. I believe my initial purchase was $49 but then it was $25 a year for a couple of years to keep the subscription. The last two years it has been $15 a year. When we did the ICW from Oriental, NC to Rock Hall MD, when we first bought the powerboat, this was our primary navigation. Mary Lou ex Rhodes 22 Now Rosborough RF-246? Tara On 10/10/2020 4:06 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > Like Tom said, my iPad is usually on the galley counter, where it is in the shade most of the time. For times when I want to be able to see it while manning the tiller, like when coming into an unfamiliar harbor, I use components I bought from Ram Mount (https://www.rammount.com) to attach the iPad to the underside of the bimini. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > >> On Oct 10, 2020, at 10:58 AM, Graham Stewart wrote: >> >> This year I began to play around with using an older tablet (Samsung ST-520) with various navigational programs. While this technology is fascinating and attractive I find it almost useless for the simple reason that in daylight conditions the screen is virtually unreadable. >> >> I would be interested to know what do others might do to address this problem? >> >> Graham Stewart >> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 >> Kingston Ontario >> >> >> -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Sat Oct 10 17:43:40 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2020 17:43:40 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] using a tablet for navigation In-Reply-To: References: <8992F331-63F7-489B-8D6B-FD2AE3C0A97A@adsne.com> <039001d69f15$e51eaa10$af5bfe30$@ca> Message-ID: We have been using our iPad for serious navigation for the last 5 years. In most cases we have found that it is quite adequate for our uses which involve at least 1000 cruising miles of travel each year on the Rhodes, sometimes more, We also use it as a backup for our big boat in Fl;prida and the Bahamas. We have used iNavix at first and now we are using Navionics. The switch was more for availability of European charts.Sometimes the sun is too bright and we shade it with whatever is available and normally it is not necessary to use it constantly, though there are times when it is needed for long periods of time when navigating tricky situations. My son uses an app for his phone (can't remember exactly what) and he loves it for his lake sailing. Chris Geankoplis Enosis On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 1:15 PM Tom Van Heule < tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > I view in the shade of cabin. > > I did a test of navionic pro this year and will give them my money next > year. > > Why spend 1000 on a marine unit today, only for the nits. (Nits are units > of measurement for screen brightness) > > What apps are your favorite? > > On Sat, Oct 10, 2020, 9:59 AM Graham Stewart wrote: > > > This year I began to play around with using an older tablet (Samsung > > ST-520) with various navigational programs. While this technology is > > fascinating and attractive I find it almost useless for the simple reason > > that in daylight conditions the screen is virtually unreadable. > > > > I would be interested to know what do others might do to address this > > problem? > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Sat Oct 10 21:24:05 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2020 21:24:05 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] using a tablet for navigation In-Reply-To: <19719144-700a-657a-1a36-502890d2b724@atlanticbb.net> References: <8992F331-63F7-489B-8D6B-FD2AE3C0A97A@adsne.com> <039001d69f15$e51eaa10$af5bfe30$@ca> <19719144-700a-657a-1a36-502890d2b724@atlanticbb.net> Message-ID: <03b301d69f6d$37865350$a692f9f0$@ca> It seems like having a bimini helps. I tried hanging the tablet on the cross bar of the pop top by placing it in a zip lock pag and hanging it with hand spring clamps. It worked to some degree but the plastic bag reflected more light and reduced its visibility. I might try to make a box for it with clear glass and a hook to hang it on the cross bar. That keeps it sheltered in the cabin but centrally located. I will post the results if I come up with a solution. Thanks to all for their advice. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2020 4:47 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] using a tablet for navigation When we had the Rhodes, we were mostly paper chart people with a handheld GPS for confirmation. Had Navionics been available, we probably would have used it for cruise and course planning, entering unfamiliar harbors etc. I think we could have seen it in the shade of the bimini but would have mostly kept it in the cabin. As I write this, it occurs to me that we could have mounted it on a RAM mount that swung into view in the companionway. Now that we've gone over to the dark side and become powerboaters, Navionics on a Samsung tablet is our GPS and chartplotter. We find it amazingly accurate and the addition of the Active Captain data is helpful. I believe my initial purchase was $49 but then it was $25 a year for a couple of years to keep the subscription. The last two years it has been $15 a year. When we did the ICW from Oriental, NC to Rock Hall MD, when we first bought the powerboat, this was our primary navigation. Mary Lou ex Rhodes 22 Now Rosborough RF-246 Tara On 10/10/2020 4:06 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > Like Tom said, my iPad is usually on the galley counter, where it is in the shade most of the time. For times when I want to be able to see it while manning the tiller, like when coming into an unfamiliar harbor, I use components I bought from Ram Mount (https://www.rammount.com) to attach the iPad to the underside of the bimini. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > >> On Oct 10, 2020, at 10:58 AM, Graham Stewart wrote: >> >> This year I began to play around with using an older tablet (Samsung ST-520) with various navigational programs. While this technology is fascinating and attractive I find it almost useless for the simple reason that in daylight conditions the screen is virtually unreadable. >> >> I would be interested to know what do others might do to address this problem? >> >> Graham Stewart >> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 >> Kingston Ontario >> >> >> -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Sat Oct 10 21:43:03 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2020 20:43:03 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] using a tablet for navigation In-Reply-To: <03b301d69f6d$37865350$a692f9f0$@ca> References: <8992F331-63F7-489B-8D6B-FD2AE3C0A97A@adsne.com> <039001d69f15$e51eaa10$af5bfe30$@ca> <19719144-700a-657a-1a36-502890d2b724@atlanticbb.net> <03b301d69f6d$37865350$a692f9f0$@ca> Message-ID: I thought a modern (2018+) device were water-resistant enough for being onboard.... But they don't float! On Sat, Oct 10, 2020, 8:24 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > It seems like having a bimini helps. I tried hanging the tablet on the > cross bar of the pop top by placing it in a zip lock pag and hanging it > with hand spring clamps. It worked to some degree but the plastic bag > reflected more light and reduced its visibility. I might try to make a box > for it with clear glass and a hook to hang it on the cross bar. That keeps > it sheltered in the cabin but centrally located. I will post the results if > I come up with a solution. Thanks to all for their advice. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of Mary Lou Troy > Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2020 4:47 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] using a tablet for navigation > > When we had the Rhodes, we were mostly paper chart people with a > handheld GPS for confirmation. Had Navionics been available, we probably > would have used it for cruise and course planning, entering unfamiliar > harbors etc. I think we could have seen it in the shade of the bimini > but would have mostly kept it in the cabin. As I write this, it occurs > to me that we could have mounted it on a RAM mount that swung into view > in the companionway. > > Now that we've gone over to the dark side and become powerboaters, > Navionics on a Samsung tablet is our GPS and chartplotter. We find it > amazingly accurate and the addition of the Active Captain data is > helpful. I believe my initial purchase was $49 but then it was $25 a > year for a couple of years to keep the subscription. The last two years > it has been $15 a year. When we did the ICW from Oriental, NC to Rock > Hall MD, when we first bought the powerboat, this was our primary > navigation. > > Mary Lou > ex Rhodes 22 > Now Rosborough RF-246 Tara > > On 10/10/2020 4:06 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > Like Tom said, my iPad is usually on the galley counter, where it is in > the shade most of the time. For times when I want to be able to see it > while manning the tiller, like when coming into an unfamiliar harbor, I use > components I bought from Ram Mount (https://www.rammount.com) to attach > the iPad to the underside of the bimini. > > > > Peter Nyberg > > Coventry, CT > > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > >> On Oct 10, 2020, at 10:58 AM, Graham Stewart > wrote: > >> > >> This year I began to play around with using an older tablet (Samsung > ST-520) with various navigational programs. While this technology is > fascinating and attractive I find it almost useless for the simple reason > that in daylight conditions the screen is virtually unreadable. > >> > >> I would be interested to know what do others might do to address this > problem? > >> > >> Graham Stewart > >> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > >> Kingston Ontario > >> > >> > >> > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > From Djbaines05 at gmail.com Sun Oct 11 12:45:40 2020 From: Djbaines05 at gmail.com (DJBaines) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 09:45:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement Genoa for 1988 Rhodes Message-ID: <1602434740846-0.post@n5.nabble.com> My genoa is torn and frayed, to the point where the torn portion catches on the spreaders and prevents the sail from completing a tack and causes further ripping. She?s had a good run, it?s the original Genoa from 1988. It needs to be replaced or repaired. Before I consider simply replacing, does anyone have recommendations for sail repair in Annapolis? Any estimate as far as price? It?s the outer edge of the sail that?s ripped. I attached a photo, but it?s worse than the photo as I foolishly continued to sail it after the photo and it caused further ripping. Anyone else already undergo this repair? Any insight would be much appreciated. Thanks. -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From snstaum at gmail.com Sun Oct 11 13:17:28 2020 From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 13:17:28 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement Genoa for 1988 Rhodes In-Reply-To: <1602434740846-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1602434740846-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: If it is the original from 1988 do not waste your money on repairing it. I had a custom Genoa made by Doyle Sails in Greenwich, RI for $1,300. It is a 130 which is what I recommend after having a 175, 150 and 130. Or email Stan and get a sail from him (also reasonably priced). I would not spend a nickle on repairing a 32 year old sail. *Stay Well,* *Stephen Staum* *s/v Carol Lee 2* *Needham, MA* On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 12:45 PM DJBaines wrote: > My genoa is torn and frayed, to the point where the torn portion catches on > the spreaders and prevents the sail from completing a tack and causes > further ripping. She?s had a good run, it?s the original Genoa from 1988. > It > needs to be replaced or repaired. Before I consider simply replacing, does > anyone have recommendations for sail repair in Annapolis? Any estimate as > far as price? It?s the outer edge of the sail that?s ripped. I attached a > photo, but it?s worse than the photo as I foolishly continued to sail it > after the photo and it caused further ripping. > > Anyone else already undergo this repair? Any insight would be much > appreciated. > Thanks. > < > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t891/944279B2-D1FC-46C8-B877-B3C84C5EBD39.jpeg> > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From talbotdavid50 at gmail.com Sun Oct 11 21:39:07 2020 From: talbotdavid50 at gmail.com (David Talbot) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 21:39:07 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement Genoa for 1988 Rhodes In-Reply-To: References: <1602434740846-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: I have a barely used Genoa in storage (perhaps out 5 times) I?ll sell Made by Doyle, has been in climate controlled storage, designed for furling On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 1:17 PM, Stephen Staum wrote: > If it is the original from 1988 do not waste your money on repairing it. I > had a custom Genoa made by Doyle Sails in Greenwich, RI for $1,300. It is > a 130 which is what I recommend after having a 175, 150 and 130. Or email > Stan and get a sail from him (also reasonably priced). I would not spend a > nickle on repairing a 32 year old sail. > > > *Stay Well,* > > *Stephen Staum* > *s/v Carol Lee 2* > > *Needham, MA* > > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 12:45 PM DJBaines wrote: > > > My genoa is torn and frayed, to the point where the torn portion catches > on > > the spreaders and prevents the sail from completing a tack and causes > > further ripping. She?s had a good run, it?s the original Genoa from 1988. > > It > > needs to be replaced or repaired. Before I consider simply replacing, > does > > anyone have recommendations for sail repair in Annapolis? Any estimate as > > far as price? It?s the outer edge of the sail that?s ripped. I attached a > > photo, but it?s worse than the photo as I foolishly continued to sail it > > after the photo and it caused further ripping. > > > > Anyone else already undergo this repair? Any insight would be much > > appreciated. > > Thanks. > > < > > > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t891/944279B2-D1FC-46C8-B877-B3C84C5EBD39.jpeg > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > From talbotdavid50 at gmail.com Sun Oct 11 21:40:38 2020 From: talbotdavid50 at gmail.com (David Talbot) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 21:40:38 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement Genoa for 1988 Rhodes In-Reply-To: References: <1602434740846-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Also have a Bimini in excellent shape My boat the Fig, scuttled at anchor in Florence On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 9:39 PM, David Talbot wrote: > I have a barely used Genoa in storage (perhaps out 5 times) I?ll sell > Made by Doyle, has been in climate controlled storage, designed for furling > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 1:17 PM, Stephen Staum wrote: > >> If it is the original from 1988 do not waste your money on repairing it. >> I >> had a custom Genoa made by Doyle Sails in Greenwich, RI for $1,300. It is >> a 130 which is what I recommend after having a 175, 150 and 130. Or email >> Stan and get a sail from him (also reasonably priced). I would not spend >> a >> nickle on repairing a 32 year old sail. >> >> >> *Stay Well,* >> >> *Stephen Staum* >> *s/v Carol Lee 2* >> >> *Needham, MA* >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 12:45 PM DJBaines wrote: >> >> > My genoa is torn and frayed, to the point where the torn portion >> catches on >> > the spreaders and prevents the sail from completing a tack and causes >> > further ripping. She?s had a good run, it?s the original Genoa from >> 1988. >> > It >> > needs to be replaced or repaired. Before I consider simply replacing, >> does >> > anyone have recommendations for sail repair in Annapolis? Any estimate >> as >> > far as price? It?s the outer edge of the sail that?s ripped. I attached >> a >> > photo, but it?s worse than the photo as I foolishly continued to sail it >> > after the photo and it caused further ripping. >> > >> > Anyone else already undergo this repair? Any insight would be much >> > appreciated. >> > Thanks. >> > < >> > >> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t891/944279B2-D1FC-46C8-B877-B3C84C5EBD39.jpeg >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >> > >> > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Mon Oct 12 14:36:03 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 14:36:03 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes in Latts & Atts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good news Jesse, All is well at the Greek boat yard (probably). I gave them a list of things they should check/fix and then they are supposed to send me pictures. I should know shortly (Greek time) if there was any water intrusion into the boat. They are supposed to retarp the boat too. I'll keep you posted. Chris Geankoplis Enosis On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 11:09 PM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > Hey Jesse, > Still waiting on a reply from the boatyard on my email. > I'll keep trying. > Chris > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 5:34 PM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Chris, it's great to see your Enosis making an appearance in their online >> magazine. The pictures from your adventures really are stunning! Thanks >> for sharing. >> >> Did you find out the fate of your boat following the severe storm in >> Greece >> that you mentioned? >> >> Jesse Shumaker >> S/V Zephyr >> >> On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 8:33 PM Chris Geankoplis < >> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > I sent in a couple pictures for their ?Why We Cruise? segment. A couple >> > made it. See if you can find the Rhodes >> > Having trouble viewing this email? www.latsatts.com >> > < >> > >> http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?m=1101990230252&ca=a5fa627b-786d-44ef-a085-addca702314e >> > > >> > >> > Hope the link works for you. >> > Chris G >> > Enosis >> > >> > From hnw555 at gmail.com Mon Oct 12 15:09:36 2020 From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 15:09:36 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes in Latts & Atts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Chris, That's great to hear! Now you can get busy sailing and posting more adventures for us to read next year! Hank On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 2:36 PM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > Good news Jesse, > All is well at the Greek boat yard (probably). I gave > them a list of things they should check/fix and then they are supposed to > send me pictures. I should know shortly (Greek time) if there was any > water intrusion into the boat. They are supposed to retarp the boat too. > I'll keep you posted. > > Chris Geankoplis > Enosis > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 11:09 PM Chris Geankoplis < > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hey Jesse, > > Still waiting on a reply from the boatyard on my email. > > I'll keep trying. > > Chris > > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 5:34 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Chris, it's great to see your Enosis making an appearance in their > online > >> magazine. The pictures from your adventures really are stunning! > Thanks > >> for sharing. > >> > >> Did you find out the fate of your boat following the severe storm in > >> Greece > >> that you mentioned? > >> > >> Jesse Shumaker > >> S/V Zephyr > >> > >> On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 8:33 PM Chris Geankoplis < > >> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > I sent in a couple pictures for their ?Why We Cruise? segment. A > couple > >> > made it. See if you can find the Rhodes > >> > Having trouble viewing this email? www.latsatts.com > >> > < > >> > > >> > http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?m=1101990230252&ca=a5fa627b-786d-44ef-a085-addca702314e > >> > > > >> > > >> > Hope the link works for you. > >> > Chris G > >> > Enosis > >> > > >> > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Mon Oct 12 16:24:27 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 15:24:27 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes in Latts & Atts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Great to hear Chris, let the adventures continue! Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 1:36 PM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > Good news Jesse, > All is well at the Greek boat yard (probably). I gave > them a list of things they should check/fix and then they are supposed to > send me pictures. I should know shortly (Greek time) if there was any > water intrusion into the boat. They are supposed to retarp the boat too. > I'll keep you posted. > > Chris Geankoplis > Enosis > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 11:09 PM Chris Geankoplis < > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hey Jesse, > > Still waiting on a reply from the boatyard on my email. > > I'll keep trying. > > Chris > > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 5:34 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Chris, it's great to see your Enosis making an appearance in their > online > >> magazine. The pictures from your adventures really are stunning! > Thanks > >> for sharing. > >> > >> Did you find out the fate of your boat following the severe storm in > >> Greece > >> that you mentioned? > >> > >> Jesse Shumaker > >> S/V Zephyr > >> > >> On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 8:33 PM Chris Geankoplis < > >> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > I sent in a couple pictures for their ?Why We Cruise? segment. A > couple > >> > made it. See if you can find the Rhodes > >> > Having trouble viewing this email? www.latsatts.com > >> > < > >> > > >> > http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?m=1101990230252&ca=a5fa627b-786d-44ef-a085-addca702314e > >> > > > >> > > >> > Hope the link works for you. > >> > Chris G > >> > Enosis > >> > > >> > > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Mon Oct 12 17:40:54 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 17:40:54 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes in Latts & Atts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh I do intend to do so! If anyone is interested I brought all the short segments together so there is one PDF that covers Rhodes in the Med from the import into Barcelona to where the boat is on the hard in Greece, let me know if anyone wants me to post it. Chris G Enosis On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 3:09 PM Hank wrote: > Hey Chris, > > That's great to hear! Now you can get busy sailing and posting more > adventures for us to read next year! > > Hank > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 2:36 PM Chris Geankoplis < > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Good news Jesse, > > All is well at the Greek boat yard (probably). I > gave > > them a list of things they should check/fix and then they are supposed to > > send me pictures. I should know shortly (Greek time) if there was any > > water intrusion into the boat. They are supposed to retarp the boat too. > > I'll keep you posted. > > > > Chris Geankoplis > > Enosis > > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 11:09 PM Chris Geankoplis < > > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Hey Jesse, > > > Still waiting on a reply from the boatyard on my > email. > > > I'll keep trying. > > > Chris > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 5:34 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> Chris, it's great to see your Enosis making an appearance in their > > online > > >> magazine. The pictures from your adventures really are stunning! > > Thanks > > >> for sharing. > > >> > > >> Did you find out the fate of your boat following the severe storm in > > >> Greece > > >> that you mentioned? > > >> > > >> Jesse Shumaker > > >> S/V Zephyr > > >> > > >> On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 8:33 PM Chris Geankoplis < > > >> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> > I sent in a couple pictures for their ?Why We Cruise? segment. A > > couple > > >> > made it. See if you can find the Rhodes > > >> > Having trouble viewing this email? www.latsatts.com > > >> > < > > >> > > > >> > > > http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?m=1101990230252&ca=a5fa627b-786d-44ef-a085-addca702314e > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > Hope the link works for you. > > >> > Chris G > > >> > Enosis > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > From hnw555 at gmail.com Mon Oct 12 18:41:27 2020 From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 18:41:27 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes in Latts & Atts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: So that's a stupid question... On Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 17:41 Chris Geankoplis wrote: > Oh I do intend to do so! If anyone is interested I brought all the short > segments together so there is one PDF that covers Rhodes in the Med from > the import into Barcelona to where the boat is on the hard in Greece, let > me know if anyone wants me to post it. > Chris G > Enosis > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 3:09 PM Hank wrote: > > > Hey Chris, > > > > That's great to hear! Now you can get busy sailing and posting more > > adventures for us to read next year! > > > > Hank > > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 2:36 PM Chris Geankoplis < > > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Good news Jesse, > > > All is well at the Greek boat yard (probably). I > > gave > > > them a list of things they should check/fix and then they are supposed > to > > > send me pictures. I should know shortly (Greek time) if there was any > > > water intrusion into the boat. They are supposed to retarp the boat > too. > > > I'll keep you posted. > > > > > > Chris Geankoplis > > > Enosis > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 11:09 PM Chris Geankoplis < > > > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hey Jesse, > > > > Still waiting on a reply from the boatyard on my > > email. > > > > I'll keep trying. > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 5:34 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >> Chris, it's great to see your Enosis making an appearance in their > > > online > > > >> magazine. The pictures from your adventures really are stunning! > > > Thanks > > > >> for sharing. > > > >> > > > >> Did you find out the fate of your boat following the severe storm in > > > >> Greece > > > >> that you mentioned? > > > >> > > > >> Jesse Shumaker > > > >> S/V Zephyr > > > >> > > > >> On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 8:33 PM Chris Geankoplis < > > > >> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > I sent in a couple pictures for their ?Why We Cruise? segment. A > > > couple > > > >> > made it. See if you can find the Rhodes > > > >> > Having trouble viewing this email? www.latsatts.com > > > >> > < > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?m=1101990230252&ca=a5fa627b-786d-44ef-a085-addca702314e > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > Hope the link works for you. > > > >> > Chris G > > > >> > Enosis > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com Mon Oct 12 19:30:05 2020 From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 16:30:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacement Genoa for 1988 Rhodes In-Reply-To: References: <1602434740846-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1602545405925-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Hi David, If the Rhodie who started the thread doesn?t want your Genoa, I might be interested in buying it. Is it a 175? What color is the sunbrella material? I have the CDI furler...is that what you had? Thanks, George Morgan S/V Knotty Lady 1986 -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 10:37:10 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 10:37:10 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes in Latts & Atts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey I a am an expert of stupid questions. Next to my stupid decisions and stubid actions I have a whole skill set of stupid. (grin) Chris Geankoplis Stupid Enosis On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 6:41 PM Hank wrote: > So that's a stupid question... > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 17:41 Chris Geankoplis > wrote: > > > Oh I do intend to do so! If anyone is interested I brought all the short > > segments together so there is one PDF that covers Rhodes in the Med from > > the import into Barcelona to where the boat is on the hard in Greece, let > > me know if anyone wants me to post it. > > Chris G > > Enosis > > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 3:09 PM Hank wrote: > > > > > Hey Chris, > > > > > > That's great to hear! Now you can get busy sailing and posting more > > > adventures for us to read next year! > > > > > > Hank > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 2:36 PM Chris Geankoplis < > > > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Good news Jesse, > > > > All is well at the Greek boat yard (probably). > I > > > gave > > > > them a list of things they should check/fix and then they are > supposed > > to > > > > send me pictures. I should know shortly (Greek time) if there was > any > > > > water intrusion into the boat. They are supposed to retarp the boat > > too. > > > > I'll keep you posted. > > > > > > > > Chris Geankoplis > > > > Enosis > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 11:09 PM Chris Geankoplis < > > > > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hey Jesse, > > > > > Still waiting on a reply from the boatyard on my > > > email. > > > > > I'll keep trying. > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 5:34 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > > > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> Chris, it's great to see your Enosis making an appearance in their > > > > online > > > > >> magazine. The pictures from your adventures really are stunning! > > > > Thanks > > > > >> for sharing. > > > > >> > > > > >> Did you find out the fate of your boat following the severe storm > in > > > > >> Greece > > > > >> that you mentioned? > > > > >> > > > > >> Jesse Shumaker > > > > >> S/V Zephyr > > > > >> > > > > >> On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 8:33 PM Chris Geankoplis < > > > > >> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> > > > > >> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> > I sent in a couple pictures for their ?Why We Cruise? segment. A > > > > couple > > > > >> > made it. See if you can find the Rhodes > > > > >> > Having trouble viewing this email? www.latsatts.com > > > > >> > < > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?m=1101990230252&ca=a5fa627b-786d-44ef-a085-addca702314e > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Hope the link works for you. > > > > >> > Chris G > > > > >> > Enosis > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From hnw555 at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 10:52:57 2020 From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 10:52:57 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes in Latts & Atts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chris, I've sailed with you (and really enjoyed the day) and as far as sailing is concerned very little "stupid" is involved! I think I speak for the group when I say that we all would love to see the consolidated pdf. Hank On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 10:37 AM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > Hey I a am an expert of stupid questions. Next to my stupid decisions and > stubid > actions I have a whole skill set of stupid. (grin) > > Chris Geankoplis > Stupid Enosis > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 6:41 PM Hank wrote: > > > So that's a stupid question... > > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 17:41 Chris Geankoplis > > wrote: > > > > > Oh I do intend to do so! If anyone is interested I brought all the > short > > > segments together so there is one PDF that covers Rhodes in the Med > from > > > the import into Barcelona to where the boat is on the hard in Greece, > let > > > me know if anyone wants me to post it. > > > Chris G > > > Enosis > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 3:09 PM Hank wrote: > > > > > > > Hey Chris, > > > > > > > > That's great to hear! Now you can get busy sailing and posting more > > > > adventures for us to read next year! > > > > > > > > Hank > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 2:36 PM Chris Geankoplis < > > > > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Good news Jesse, > > > > > All is well at the Greek boat yard > (probably). > > I > > > > gave > > > > > them a list of things they should check/fix and then they are > > supposed > > > to > > > > > send me pictures. I should know shortly (Greek time) if there was > > any > > > > > water intrusion into the boat. They are supposed to retarp the > boat > > > too. > > > > > I'll keep you posted. > > > > > > > > > > Chris Geankoplis > > > > > Enosis > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 11:09 PM Chris Geankoplis < > > > > > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Jesse, > > > > > > Still waiting on a reply from the boatyard on my > > > > email. > > > > > > I'll keep trying. > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 5:34 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > > > > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> Chris, it's great to see your Enosis making an appearance in > their > > > > > online > > > > > >> magazine. The pictures from your adventures really are > stunning! > > > > > Thanks > > > > > >> for sharing. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Did you find out the fate of your boat following the severe > storm > > in > > > > > >> Greece > > > > > >> that you mentioned? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Jesse Shumaker > > > > > >> S/V Zephyr > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 8:33 PM Chris Geankoplis < > > > > > >> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > I sent in a couple pictures for their ?Why We Cruise? > segment. A > > > > > couple > > > > > >> > made it. See if you can find the Rhodes > > > > > >> > Having trouble viewing this email? www.latsatts.com > > > > > >> > < > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?m=1101990230252&ca=a5fa627b-786d-44ef-a085-addca702314e > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Hope the link works for you. > > > > > >> > Chris G > > > > > >> > Enosis > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 17:57:23 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 17:57:23 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes in Latts & Atts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well Hank, How can I say "no" to such a gracious request. (grin). On its way. Chris G Enosis On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 10:53 AM Hank wrote: > Chris, > > I've sailed with you (and really enjoyed the day) and as far as sailing is > concerned very little "stupid" is involved! I think I speak for the group > when I say that we all would love to see the consolidated pdf. > > Hank > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 10:37 AM Chris Geankoplis < > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hey I a am an expert of stupid questions. Next to my stupid decisions > and > > stubid > > actions I have a whole skill set of stupid. (grin) > > > > Chris Geankoplis > > Stupid Enosis > > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 6:41 PM Hank wrote: > > > > > So that's a stupid question... > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 17:41 Chris Geankoplis < > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Oh I do intend to do so! If anyone is interested I brought all the > > short > > > > segments together so there is one PDF that covers Rhodes in the Med > > from > > > > the import into Barcelona to where the boat is on the hard in Greece, > > let > > > > me know if anyone wants me to post it. > > > > Chris G > > > > Enosis > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 3:09 PM Hank wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hey Chris, > > > > > > > > > > That's great to hear! Now you can get busy sailing and posting more > > > > > adventures for us to read next year! > > > > > > > > > > Hank > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 2:36 PM Chris Geankoplis < > > > > > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Good news Jesse, > > > > > > All is well at the Greek boat yard > > (probably). > > > I > > > > > gave > > > > > > them a list of things they should check/fix and then they are > > > supposed > > > > to > > > > > > send me pictures. I should know shortly (Greek time) if there > was > > > any > > > > > > water intrusion into the boat. They are supposed to retarp the > > boat > > > > too. > > > > > > I'll keep you posted. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris Geankoplis > > > > > > Enosis > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 11:09 PM Chris Geankoplis < > > > > > > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Jesse, > > > > > > > Still waiting on a reply from the boatyard on > my > > > > > email. > > > > > > > I'll keep trying. > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 5:34 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > > > > > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Chris, it's great to see your Enosis making an appearance in > > their > > > > > > online > > > > > > >> magazine. The pictures from your adventures really are > > stunning! > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > >> for sharing. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Did you find out the fate of your boat following the severe > > storm > > > in > > > > > > >> Greece > > > > > > >> that you mentioned? > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Jesse Shumaker > > > > > > >> S/V Zephyr > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 8:33 PM Chris Geankoplis < > > > > > > >> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > I sent in a couple pictures for their ?Why We Cruise? > > segment. A > > > > > > couple > > > > > > >> > made it. See if you can find the Rhodes > > > > > > >> > Having trouble viewing this email? www.latsatts.com > > > > > > >> > < > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?m=1101990230252&ca=a5fa627b-786d-44ef-a085-addca702314e > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > Hope the link works for you. > > > > > > >> > Chris G > > > > > > >> > Enosis > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Colealexander at hotmail.com Tue Oct 13 18:18:02 2020 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 15:18:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Our builder Message-ID: <1602627482062-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Stan. Tomorrow I resort to snail mail. Emails are returned as undeliverable and the phone on the website remains disconnected. I also tried the ?contact me? link that is the only option on your new parts website. I was hoping to order an outhaul car, mine is wearing with half the grove a shark?s mouth. The plus side is that means it got some use. Please call me for credit card info, my number is the same. Alex ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 18:34:01 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 18:34:01 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cruising A Rhodes in the Med Message-ID: So attached is a single file, rather than all the separate segments that I have shared with the list. This file is 157mb so I'll post a google docs link that contains an intro (1 [page) and then a lot of pages covering the details of the shipping of the boat, the whole trip from Barcelona along the Costa Brava, the French Med. coast and the Italian west coast from France to the Bay of Naples. The doc. then continues the coverage for the next year with the trip along the coast of southern italy and Sicily to the Western coast of Greece. In the intro there is a link to the original trip I took on a smaller boat 50 before. You can contact me back channel if you have any suggestions or find bad typos or missing info, Hopefully next year I can add to the story. Don't be surprised if due to the size of the file your computer can't scan for viruses. None of my family has had any problems for what it is worth. Chris Geankoplis Enosis I Link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/14wLPrhdilQLa3A07zDPmsRITlLtTDNAW/view?usp=sharing From talbotdavid50 at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 21:48:53 2020 From: talbotdavid50 at gmail.com (David Talbot) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 21:48:53 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Used Genoa In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: David Talbot Date: Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 9:47 PM Subject: Re: Used Genoa To: Mike Riter Mike, I have 2 Genoas: one 148? at base, one 198? (A 130-140 and a 170 I believe) Both are in good shape, Doyle, Some very minor scuff marks on sails but fabric and stitching in very good shape The 170 more lightweight fabric Would offer both for $900.00, which is a terrific deal Also have a Bimini in mint condition, stainless steel posts, offering for $350.00 I have detailed photos if interested On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 8:18 PM, Mike Riter wrote: > Thanks David! > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 6:40 PM David Talbot > wrote: > >> I plan to pull it out of storage to measure and take photos >> Will be a day or two >> Thanks >> >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 1:34 PM, Mike Riter wrote: >> >>> Hi David. Saw your post on the forum for the Genoa. I'm so sorry to see >>> you lost the Fig. If you still have the Genoa, could you tell me what size >>> it is? (130-175) and what your asking price is? >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Mike Riter >>> SV Emma B >>> mike at traildesign.com >>> 678-410-8021 >>> >>> -- > Michael Riter > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training > mike at traildesign.com > 678-410-8021 > > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Tue Oct 13 22:06:38 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 22:06:38 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Used Genoa In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002201d6a1ce$a7755db0$f6601910$@ebsmed.com> David, I'm interested in the bimini. Is it the standard GBI bimini? Pics would be nice. Where are you located? Mike s/v Windlass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of David Talbot Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 9:49 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Used Genoa ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: David Talbot Date: Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 9:47 PM Subject: Re: Used Genoa To: Mike Riter Mike, I have 2 Genoas: one 148? at base, one 198? (A 130-140 and a 170 I believe) Both are in good shape, Doyle, Some very minor scuff marks on sails but fabric and stitching in very good shape The 170 more lightweight fabric Would offer both for $900.00, which is a terrific deal Also have a Bimini in mint condition, stainless steel posts, offering for $350.00 I have detailed photos if interested On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 8:18 PM, Mike Riter wrote: > Thanks David! > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 6:40 PM David Talbot > wrote: > >> I plan to pull it out of storage to measure and take photos Will be a >> day or two Thanks >> >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 1:34 PM, Mike Riter wrote: >> >>> Hi David. Saw your post on the forum for the Genoa. I'm so sorry to >>> see you lost the Fig. If you still have the Genoa, could you tell me >>> what size it is? (130-175) and what your asking price is? >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Mike Riter >>> SV Emma B >>> mike at traildesign.com >>> 678-410-8021 >>> >>> -- > Michael Riter > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training > mike at traildesign.com > 678-410-8021 > > From talbotdavid50 at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 22:07:42 2020 From: talbotdavid50 at gmail.com (David Talbot) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 22:07:42 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Used Genoa In-Reply-To: <002201d6a1ce$a7755db0$f6601910$@ebsmed.com> References: <002201d6a1ce$a7755db0$f6601910$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Yes standard In North Carolina On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 10:06 PM, Michael D. Weisner wrote: > David, > > I'm interested in the bimini. Is it the standard GBI bimini? > > Pics would be nice. Where are you located? > > Mike > s/v Windlass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > David Talbot > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 9:49 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Used Genoa > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: David Talbot > Date: Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 9:47 PM > Subject: Re: Used Genoa > To: Mike Riter > > > Mike, > I have 2 Genoas: one 148? at base, one 198? > (A 130-140 and a 170 I believe) > Both are in good shape, Doyle, Some very minor scuff marks on sails but > fabric and stitching in very good shape The 170 more lightweight fabric > Would offer both for $900.00, which is a terrific deal > > Also have a Bimini in mint condition, stainless steel posts, offering for > $350.00 > > I have detailed photos if interested > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 8:18 PM, Mike Riter wrote: > > > Thanks David! > > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 6:40 PM David Talbot > > wrote: > > > >> I plan to pull it out of storage to measure and take photos Will be a > >> day or two Thanks > >> > >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 1:34 PM, Mike Riter > wrote: > >> > >>> Hi David. Saw your post on the forum for the Genoa. I'm so sorry to > >>> see you lost the Fig. If you still have the Genoa, could you tell me > >>> what size it is? (130-175) and what your asking price is? > >>> Thanks! > >>> > >>> Mike Riter > >>> SV Emma B > >>> mike at traildesign.com > >>> 678-410-8021 > >>> > >>> -- > > Michael Riter > > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. > > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training > > mike at traildesign.com > > 678-410-8021 > > > > > > From talbotdavid50 at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 22:08:52 2020 From: talbotdavid50 at gmail.com (David Talbot) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 22:08:52 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Used Genoa In-Reply-To: References: <002201d6a1ce$a7755db0$f6601910$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 10:07 PM, David Talbot wrote: > Yes standard > In North Carolina > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 10:06 PM, Michael D. Weisner > wrote: > >> David, >> >> I'm interested in the bimini. Is it the standard GBI bimini? >> >> Pics would be nice. Where are you located? >> >> Mike >> s/v Windlass ('91) >> Nissequogue River, NY >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of >> David Talbot >> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 9:49 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Used Genoa >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> From: David Talbot >> Date: Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 9:47 PM >> Subject: Re: Used Genoa >> To: Mike Riter >> >> >> Mike, >> I have 2 Genoas: one 148? at base, one 198? >> (A 130-140 and a 170 I believe) >> Both are in good shape, Doyle, Some very minor scuff marks on sails but >> fabric and stitching in very good shape The 170 more lightweight fabric >> Would offer both for $900.00, which is a terrific deal >> >> Also have a Bimini in mint condition, stainless steel posts, offering for >> $350.00 >> >> I have detailed photos if interested >> >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 8:18 PM, Mike Riter wrote: >> >> > Thanks David! >> > >> > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 6:40 PM David Talbot >> > wrote: >> > >> >> I plan to pull it out of storage to measure and take photos Will be a >> >> day or two Thanks >> >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 1:34 PM, Mike Riter >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hi David. Saw your post on the forum for the Genoa. I'm so sorry to >> >>> see you lost the Fig. If you still have the Genoa, could you tell me >> >>> what size it is? (130-175) and what your asking price is? >> >>> Thanks! >> >>> >> >>> Mike Riter >> >>> SV Emma B >> >>> mike at traildesign.com >> >>> 678-410-8021 >> >>> >> >>> -- >> > Michael Riter >> > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. >> > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training >> > mike at traildesign.com >> > 678-410-8021 >> > >> > >> >> From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 23:03:31 2020 From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 20:03:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Used Genoa In-Reply-To: References: <002201d6a1ce$a7755db0$f6601910$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: <1602644611923-0.post@n5.nabble.com> David, I would be interested in the sails if the sunbrella color is red? Thanks, George Morgan S/V knotty Lady 1986 Wilmington NC -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From tavares0947 at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 08:53:36 2020 From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 08:53:36 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Laz Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Rhodies, I have a question for the braintrust. I cleaned and scrubbed out my lazarette prepping it for painting for this first time since I've owned the boat. I was surprised to find out there is no structural bulkhead forming the forward wall of the laz. The forward wall of my laz is the wall of flotation foam. Are all Rhodes 22s built like this with no glassed in wooden bulkhead? I know my boat got swamped at the dock by hurricane tides before I bought it, and General Boats cleaned it up and made repairs. I doubt any bulkhead would have been removed and there are no signs of one ever being there. Any info is appreciated. Thanks. Todd T. On Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 9:49 PM David Talbot wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: David Talbot > Date: Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 9:47 PM > Subject: Re: Used Genoa > To: Mike Riter > > > Mike, > I have 2 Genoas: one 148? at base, one 198? > (A 130-140 and a 170 I believe) > Both are in good shape, Doyle, Some very minor scuff marks on sails but > fabric and stitching in very good shape > The 170 more lightweight fabric > Would offer both for $900.00, which is a terrific deal > > Also have a Bimini in mint condition, stainless steel posts, offering for > $350.00 > > I have detailed photos if interested > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 8:18 PM, Mike Riter wrote: > > > Thanks David! > > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 6:40 PM David Talbot > > wrote: > > > >> I plan to pull it out of storage to measure and take photos > >> Will be a day or two > >> Thanks > >> > >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 1:34 PM, Mike Riter > wrote: > >> > >>> Hi David. Saw your post on the forum for the Genoa. I'm so sorry to see > >>> you lost the Fig. If you still have the Genoa, could you tell me what > size > >>> it is? (130-175) and what your asking price is? > >>> Thanks! > >>> > >>> Mike Riter > >>> SV Emma B > >>> mike at traildesign.com > >>> 678-410-8021 > >>> > >>> -- > > Michael Riter > > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. > > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training > > mike at traildesign.com > > 678-410-8021 > > > > > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Wed Oct 14 09:10:10 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 13:10:10 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Laz Question In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Todd, I?m not sure I understand your question. On S/V Dynamic Equilibrium, the forward wall of the lazarette compartment separating it from the cockpit is fiberglass. Are you referring to the floatation foam under the cockpit? If so, on my boat, there is a bulkhead made of what appears to be painted wood separating the lazarette compartment from the floatation foam. There is a similar painted wood bulkhead separating the floatation foam from the cabin at the forward end of the cockpit. These wooden bulkheads appear to be glassed in place pretty securely and would be very difficult to remove. These wooden bulkheads are an important structural support for the cockpit floor and it?s hard to believe they were left out on your boat. Do you have any pictures of what you are talking about? Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 14, 2020, at 8:53 AM, Todd Tavares wrote: > > ?Hello Rhodies, > > I have a question for the braintrust. > I cleaned and scrubbed out my lazarette prepping it for painting for this > first time since I've owned the boat. I was surprised to find out there is > no structural bulkhead forming the forward wall of the laz. The forward > wall of my laz is the wall of flotation foam. > Are all Rhodes 22s built like this with no glassed in wooden bulkhead? > I know my boat got swamped at the dock by hurricane tides before I bought > it, and General Boats cleaned it up and made repairs. I doubt any bulkhead > would have been removed and there are no signs of one ever being there. > Any info is appreciated. Thanks. > > Todd T. > > >> On Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 9:49 PM David Talbot wrote: >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> From: David Talbot >> Date: Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 9:47 PM >> Subject: Re: Used Genoa >> To: Mike Riter >> >> >> Mike, >> I have 2 Genoas: one 148? at base, one 198? >> (A 130-140 and a 170 I believe) >> Both are in good shape, Doyle, Some very minor scuff marks on sails but >> fabric and stitching in very good shape >> The 170 more lightweight fabric >> Would offer both for $900.00, which is a terrific deal >> >> Also have a Bimini in mint condition, stainless steel posts, offering for >> $350.00 >> >> I have detailed photos if interested >> >>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 8:18 PM, Mike Riter wrote: >>> >>> Thanks David! >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 6:40 PM David Talbot >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I plan to pull it out of storage to measure and take photos >>>> Will be a day or two >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 1:34 PM, Mike Riter >> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi David. Saw your post on the forum for the Genoa. I'm so sorry to see >>>>> you lost the Fig. If you still have the Genoa, could you tell me what >> size >>>>> it is? (130-175) and what your asking price is? >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> Mike Riter >>>>> SV Emma B >>>>> mike at traildesign.com >>>>> 678-410-8021 >>>>> >>>>> -- >>> Michael Riter >>> President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. >>> Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training >>> mike at traildesign.com >>> 678-410-8021 >>> >>> >> From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Wed Oct 14 09:57:42 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 08:57:42 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Laz Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I forgot I had stuff in there!!! Lol You can just see the fore wall of the laz, the drain. All of my last is pretty well sealed up.from.what I can see. On Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 8:10 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Todd, > > I?m not sure I understand your question. On S/V Dynamic Equilibrium, the > forward wall of the lazarette compartment separating it from the cockpit is > fiberglass. Are you referring to the floatation foam under the cockpit? > If so, on my boat, there is a bulkhead made of what appears to be painted > wood separating the lazarette compartment from the floatation foam. There > is a similar painted wood bulkhead separating the floatation foam from the > cabin at the forward end of the cockpit. These wooden bulkheads appear to > be glassed in place pretty securely and would be very difficult to remove. > These wooden bulkheads are an important structural support for the cockpit > floor and it?s hard to believe they were left out on your boat. Do you > have any pictures of what you are talking about? > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 14, 2020, at 8:53 AM, Todd Tavares wrote: > > > > ?Hello Rhodies, > > > > I have a question for the braintrust. > > I cleaned and scrubbed out my lazarette prepping it for painting for this > > first time since I've owned the boat. I was surprised to find out there > is > > no structural bulkhead forming the forward wall of the laz. The forward > > wall of my laz is the wall of flotation foam. > > Are all Rhodes 22s built like this with no glassed in wooden bulkhead? > > I know my boat got swamped at the dock by hurricane tides before I bought > > it, and General Boats cleaned it up and made repairs. I doubt any > bulkhead > > would have been removed and there are no signs of one ever being there. > > Any info is appreciated. Thanks. > > > > Todd T. > > > > > >> On Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 9:49 PM David Talbot > wrote: > >> > >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- > >> From: David Talbot > >> Date: Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 9:47 PM > >> Subject: Re: Used Genoa > >> To: Mike Riter > >> > >> > >> Mike, > >> I have 2 Genoas: one 148? at base, one 198? > >> (A 130-140 and a 170 I believe) > >> Both are in good shape, Doyle, Some very minor scuff marks on sails but > >> fabric and stitching in very good shape > >> The 170 more lightweight fabric > >> Would offer both for $900.00, which is a terrific deal > >> > >> Also have a Bimini in mint condition, stainless steel posts, offering > for > >> $350.00 > >> > >> I have detailed photos if interested > >> > >>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 8:18 PM, Mike Riter > wrote: > >>> > >>> Thanks David! > >>> > >>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 6:40 PM David Talbot > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> I plan to pull it out of storage to measure and take photos > >>>> Will be a day or two > >>>> Thanks > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 1:34 PM, Mike Riter > >> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hi David. Saw your post on the forum for the Genoa. I'm so sorry to > see > >>>>> you lost the Fig. If you still have the Genoa, could you tell me what > >> size > >>>>> it is? (130-175) and what your asking price is? > >>>>> Thanks! > >>>>> > >>>>> Mike Riter > >>>>> SV Emma B > >>>>> mike at traildesign.com > >>>>> 678-410-8021 > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>> Michael Riter > >>> President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. > >>> Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training > >>> mike at traildesign.com > >>> 678-410-8021 > >>> > >>> > >> > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20201014_085411.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2439864 bytes Desc: not available URL: From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Wed Oct 14 10:56:51 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 14:56:51 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Laz Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Todd, It hard to tell from your picture. But, that looks like rough non gel coated fiberglass, not structural foam to me? Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 14, 2020, at 9:58 AM, Tom Van Heule wrote: > > ?I forgot I had stuff in there!!! Lol > > You can just see the fore wall of the laz, the drain. All of my last is > pretty well sealed up.from.what I can see. > >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 8:10 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >> >> Todd, >> >> I?m not sure I understand your question. On S/V Dynamic Equilibrium, the >> forward wall of the lazarette compartment separating it from the cockpit is >> fiberglass. Are you referring to the floatation foam under the cockpit? >> If so, on my boat, there is a bulkhead made of what appears to be painted >> wood separating the lazarette compartment from the floatation foam. There >> is a similar painted wood bulkhead separating the floatation foam from the >> cabin at the forward end of the cockpit. These wooden bulkheads appear to >> be glassed in place pretty securely and would be very difficult to remove. >> These wooden bulkheads are an important structural support for the cockpit >> floor and it?s hard to believe they were left out on your boat. Do you >> have any pictures of what you are talking about? >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Oct 14, 2020, at 8:53 AM, Todd Tavares wrote: >>> >>> ?Hello Rhodies, >>> >>> I have a question for the braintrust. >>> I cleaned and scrubbed out my lazarette prepping it for painting for this >>> first time since I've owned the boat. I was surprised to find out there >> is >>> no structural bulkhead forming the forward wall of the laz. The forward >>> wall of my laz is the wall of flotation foam. >>> Are all Rhodes 22s built like this with no glassed in wooden bulkhead? >>> I know my boat got swamped at the dock by hurricane tides before I bought >>> it, and General Boats cleaned it up and made repairs. I doubt any >> bulkhead >>> would have been removed and there are no signs of one ever being there. >>> Any info is appreciated. Thanks. >>> >>> Todd T. >>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 9:49 PM David Talbot >> wrote: >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>> From: David Talbot >>>> Date: Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 9:47 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Used Genoa >>>> To: Mike Riter >>>> >>>> >>>> Mike, >>>> I have 2 Genoas: one 148? at base, one 198? >>>> (A 130-140 and a 170 I believe) >>>> Both are in good shape, Doyle, Some very minor scuff marks on sails but >>>> fabric and stitching in very good shape >>>> The 170 more lightweight fabric >>>> Would offer both for $900.00, which is a terrific deal >>>> >>>> Also have a Bimini in mint condition, stainless steel posts, offering >> for >>>> $350.00 >>>> >>>> I have detailed photos if interested >>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 8:18 PM, Mike Riter >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks David! >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 6:40 PM David Talbot >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I plan to pull it out of storage to measure and take photos >>>>>> Will be a day or two >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 1:34 PM, Mike Riter >>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi David. Saw your post on the forum for the Genoa. I'm so sorry to >> see >>>>>>> you lost the Fig. If you still have the Genoa, could you tell me what >>>> size >>>>>>> it is? (130-175) and what your asking price is? >>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mike Riter >>>>>>> SV Emma B >>>>>>> mike at traildesign.com >>>>>>> 678-410-8021 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>> Michael Riter >>>>> President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. >>>>> Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training >>>>> mike at traildesign.com >>>>> 678-410-8021 >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_20201014_085411.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 2439864 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: From ric at stottarchitecture.com Wed Oct 14 11:18:13 2020 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 11:18:13 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Used Genoa In-Reply-To: References: <002201d6a1ce$a7755db0$f6601910$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: <058A32C1-73F6-4E49-8962-2459910583F6@stottarchitecture.com> HI David I am interested in the 2 jibs. Whaat colors the sun cover? Ric sv Dadventure Hampton Bays NY Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP www.stottarchitecture.com Office 631-283-1777 Cell 516-965-3164 > On Oct 13, 2020, at 10:08 PM, David Talbot wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 10:07 PM, David Talbot > wrote: > >> Yes standard >> In North Carolina >> >> On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 10:06 PM, Michael D. Weisner >> wrote: >> >>> David, >>> >>> I'm interested in the bimini. Is it the standard GBI bimini? >>> >>> Pics would be nice. Where are you located? >>> >>> Mike >>> s/v Windlass ('91) >>> Nissequogue River, NY >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of >>> David Talbot >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2020 9:49 PM >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Used Genoa >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>> From: David Talbot >>> Date: Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 9:47 PM >>> Subject: Re: Used Genoa >>> To: Mike Riter >>> >>> >>> Mike, >>> I have 2 Genoas: one 148? at base, one 198? >>> (A 130-140 and a 170 I believe) >>> Both are in good shape, Doyle, Some very minor scuff marks on sails but >>> fabric and stitching in very good shape The 170 more lightweight fabric >>> Would offer both for $900.00, which is a terrific deal >>> >>> Also have a Bimini in mint condition, stainless steel posts, offering for >>> $350.00 >>> >>> I have detailed photos if interested >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 8:18 PM, Mike Riter wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks David! >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 6:40 PM David Talbot >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I plan to pull it out of storage to measure and take photos Will be a >>>>> day or two Thanks >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 1:34 PM, Mike Riter >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi David. Saw your post on the forum for the Genoa. I'm so sorry to >>>>>> see you lost the Fig. If you still have the Genoa, could you tell me >>>>>> what size it is? (130-175) and what your asking price is? >>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike Riter >>>>>> SV Emma B >>>>>> mike at traildesign.com >>>>>> 678-410-8021 >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>> Michael Riter >>>> President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. >>>> Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training >>>> mike at traildesign.com >>>> 678-410-8021 >>>> >>>> >>> >>> From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 11:34:48 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 11:34:48 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Laz Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There is no watertight bulkhead forward of the Laz. You should consider making one or at least filling in the voids so as to preclude water moving under the flotation and into the cabin. Chris Geankoplis Enosis I On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 8:53 AM Todd Tavares wrote: > Hello Rhodies, > > I have a question for the braintrust. > I cleaned and scrubbed out my lazarette prepping it for painting for this > first time since I've owned the boat. I was surprised to find out there is > no structural bulkhead forming the forward wall of the laz. The forward > wall of my laz is the wall of flotation foam. > Are all Rhodes 22s built like this with no glassed in wooden bulkhead? > I know my boat got swamped at the dock by hurricane tides before I bought > it, and General Boats cleaned it up and made repairs. I doubt any bulkhead > would have been removed and there are no signs of one ever being there. > Any info is appreciated. Thanks. > > Todd T. > > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 9:49 PM David Talbot > wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > > From: David Talbot > > Date: Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 9:47 PM > > Subject: Re: Used Genoa > > To: Mike Riter > > > > > > Mike, > > I have 2 Genoas: one 148? at base, one 198? > > (A 130-140 and a 170 I believe) > > Both are in good shape, Doyle, Some very minor scuff marks on sails but > > fabric and stitching in very good shape > > The 170 more lightweight fabric > > Would offer both for $900.00, which is a terrific deal > > > > Also have a Bimini in mint condition, stainless steel posts, offering for > > $350.00 > > > > I have detailed photos if interested > > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 8:18 PM, Mike Riter > wrote: > > > > > Thanks David! > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 6:40 PM David Talbot > > > wrote: > > > > > >> I plan to pull it out of storage to measure and take photos > > >> Will be a day or two > > >> Thanks > > >> > > >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 1:34 PM, Mike Riter > > wrote: > > >> > > >>> Hi David. Saw your post on the forum for the Genoa. I'm so sorry to > see > > >>> you lost the Fig. If you still have the Genoa, could you tell me what > > size > > >>> it is? (130-175) and what your asking price is? > > >>> Thanks! > > >>> > > >>> Mike Riter > > >>> SV Emma B > > >>> mike at traildesign.com > > >>> 678-410-8021 > > >>> > > >>> -- > > > Michael Riter > > > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. > > > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training > > > mike at traildesign.com > > > 678-410-8021 > > > > > > > > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 11:38:04 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 11:38:04 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Laz Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well I am only talking about my old '76 and the '83. Like Roger said there is a small piece of plywood but it did not seem to be fiberglassed in, I could be wrong and a lot of the foam is exposed as the wood doesn't go all the way up to the cockpit floor on mine. Chris Geankoplis Enosis I On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 11:34 AM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > There is no watertight bulkhead forward of the Laz. You should consider > making one or at least filling in the voids so as to preclude water moving > under the flotation and into the cabin. > > Chris Geankoplis > Enosis I > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 8:53 AM Todd Tavares > wrote: > >> Hello Rhodies, >> >> I have a question for the braintrust. >> I cleaned and scrubbed out my lazarette prepping it for painting for this >> first time since I've owned the boat. I was surprised to find out there is >> no structural bulkhead forming the forward wall of the laz. The forward >> wall of my laz is the wall of flotation foam. >> Are all Rhodes 22s built like this with no glassed in wooden bulkhead? >> I know my boat got swamped at the dock by hurricane tides before I bought >> it, and General Boats cleaned it up and made repairs. I doubt any bulkhead >> would have been removed and there are no signs of one ever being there. >> Any info is appreciated. Thanks. >> >> Todd T. >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 9:49 PM David Talbot >> wrote: >> >> > ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> > From: David Talbot >> > Date: Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 9:47 PM >> > Subject: Re: Used Genoa >> > To: Mike Riter >> > >> > >> > Mike, >> > I have 2 Genoas: one 148? at base, one 198? >> > (A 130-140 and a 170 I believe) >> > Both are in good shape, Doyle, Some very minor scuff marks on sails but >> > fabric and stitching in very good shape >> > The 170 more lightweight fabric >> > Would offer both for $900.00, which is a terrific deal >> > >> > Also have a Bimini in mint condition, stainless steel posts, offering >> for >> > $350.00 >> > >> > I have detailed photos if interested >> > >> > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 8:18 PM, Mike Riter >> wrote: >> > >> > > Thanks David! >> > > >> > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 6:40 PM David Talbot > > >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > >> I plan to pull it out of storage to measure and take photos >> > >> Will be a day or two >> > >> Thanks >> > >> >> > >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 1:34 PM, Mike Riter >> > wrote: >> > >> >> > >>> Hi David. Saw your post on the forum for the Genoa. I'm so sorry to >> see >> > >>> you lost the Fig. If you still have the Genoa, could you tell me >> what >> > size >> > >>> it is? (130-175) and what your asking price is? >> > >>> Thanks! >> > >>> >> > >>> Mike Riter >> > >>> SV Emma B >> > >>> mike at traildesign.com >> > >>> 678-410-8021 >> > >>> >> > >>> -- >> > > Michael Riter >> > > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. >> > > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training >> > > mike at traildesign.com >> > > 678-410-8021 >> > > >> > > >> > >> > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Wed Oct 14 11:44:47 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 10:44:47 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Laz Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think you're right Rodger. It's not water tight, but enough finishing to keep items from falling into the hull depths. On Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 9:56 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Todd, > > It hard to tell from your picture. But, that looks like rough non gel > coated fiberglass, not structural foam to me? > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 14, 2020, at 9:58 AM, Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > > ?I forgot I had stuff in there!!! Lol > > > > You can just see the fore wall of the laz, the drain. All of my last is > > pretty well sealed up.from.what I can see. > > > >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 8:10 AM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > >> > >> Todd, > >> > >> I?m not sure I understand your question. On S/V Dynamic Equilibrium, > the > >> forward wall of the lazarette compartment separating it from the > cockpit is > >> fiberglass. Are you referring to the floatation foam under the cockpit? > >> If so, on my boat, there is a bulkhead made of what appears to be > painted > >> wood separating the lazarette compartment from the floatation foam. > There > >> is a similar painted wood bulkhead separating the floatation foam from > the > >> cabin at the forward end of the cockpit. These wooden bulkheads appear > to > >> be glassed in place pretty securely and would be very difficult to > remove. > >> These wooden bulkheads are an important structural support for the > cockpit > >> floor and it?s hard to believe they were left out on your boat. Do you > >> have any pictures of what you are talking about? > >> > >> Roger Pihlaja > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>>> On Oct 14, 2020, at 8:53 AM, Todd Tavares > wrote: > >>> > >>> ?Hello Rhodies, > >>> > >>> I have a question for the braintrust. > >>> I cleaned and scrubbed out my lazarette prepping it for painting for > this > >>> first time since I've owned the boat. I was surprised to find out there > >> is > >>> no structural bulkhead forming the forward wall of the laz. The forward > >>> wall of my laz is the wall of flotation foam. > >>> Are all Rhodes 22s built like this with no glassed in wooden bulkhead? > >>> I know my boat got swamped at the dock by hurricane tides before I > bought > >>> it, and General Boats cleaned it up and made repairs. I doubt any > >> bulkhead > >>> would have been removed and there are no signs of one ever being there. > >>> Any info is appreciated. Thanks. > >>> > >>> Todd T. > >>> > >>> > >>>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 9:49 PM David Talbot > >> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- > >>>> From: David Talbot > >>>> Date: Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 9:47 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: Used Genoa > >>>> To: Mike Riter > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Mike, > >>>> I have 2 Genoas: one 148? at base, one 198? > >>>> (A 130-140 and a 170 I believe) > >>>> Both are in good shape, Doyle, Some very minor scuff marks on sails > but > >>>> fabric and stitching in very good shape > >>>> The 170 more lightweight fabric > >>>> Would offer both for $900.00, which is a terrific deal > >>>> > >>>> Also have a Bimini in mint condition, stainless steel posts, offering > >> for > >>>> $350.00 > >>>> > >>>> I have detailed photos if interested > >>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 8:18 PM, Mike Riter > >> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks David! > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 6:40 PM David Talbot < > talbotdavid50 at gmail.com> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> I plan to pull it out of storage to measure and take photos > >>>>>> Will be a day or two > >>>>>> Thanks > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 1:34 PM, Mike Riter > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hi David. Saw your post on the forum for the Genoa. I'm so sorry to > >> see > >>>>>>> you lost the Fig. If you still have the Genoa, could you tell me > what > >>>> size > >>>>>>> it is? (130-175) and what your asking price is? > >>>>>>> Thanks! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Mike Riter > >>>>>>> SV Emma B > >>>>>>> mike at traildesign.com > >>>>>>> 678-410-8021 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>> Michael Riter > >>>>> President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. > >>>>> Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training > >>>>> mike at traildesign.com > >>>>> 678-410-8021 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >> > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_20201014_085411.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 2439864 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201014/a96c95d6/attachment.jpg > > > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Wed Oct 14 12:10:28 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 12:10:28 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Laz Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In the Laz on my boat, there?s a single layer of fiberglass that runs up about 3? from the hull. Above that, there?s just the foam. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On Oct 14, 2020, at 8:53 AM, Todd Tavares wrote: > > Hello Rhodies, > > I have a question for the braintrust. > I cleaned and scrubbed out my lazarette prepping it for painting for this > first time since I've owned the boat. I was surprised to find out there is > no structural bulkhead forming the forward wall of the laz. The forward > wall of my laz is the wall of flotation foam. > Are all Rhodes 22s built like this with no glassed in wooden bulkhead? > I know my boat got swamped at the dock by hurricane tides before I bought > it, and General Boats cleaned it up and made repairs. I doubt any bulkhead > would have been removed and there are no signs of one ever being there. > Any info is appreciated. Thanks. > > Todd T. > From tavares0947 at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 12:20:10 2020 From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 12:20:10 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Laz Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Roger, Yes I am referring to the forward "wall" of the laz. My boat is a 1984. It's Lloyd Crowther's old boat Uhuru, but it passed through another owner first. I never really looked at it before, or what little I could see of the forward wall without hanging my head deeper inside the laz, so I just assumed it had a bulkhead there supporting the aft end of the cockpit floor. There is no bulkhead that I can see. If I pop the cover out of the table leg socket, I can see the foam, and can see right into the lazarette...but further inspection is necessary. I've always had a tiny bit of softness around the table leg socket but not enough to warrant cutting the floor out. Recent heavy rain and blocked seat drains filled the laz with about 4" or 5" of water. (I always keep the tongue of the trailer raised) While pumping the rain water out, I noticed a barely perceivable downward bow in the aft end of the raised cockpit floor section, and the softness now extends about 12 inches forward of the table socket. This warranted deeper inspections. I think the force from the weight of that much water caused the additional delamination/damage, and I am in for some major structural work. I will try to get some pictures this weekend. Thanks in advance, Todd T. On Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 9:10 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Todd, > > I?m not sure I understand your question. On S/V Dynamic Equilibrium, the > forward wall of the lazarette compartment separating it from the cockpit is > fiberglass. Are you referring to the floatation foam under the cockpit? > If so, on my boat, there is a bulkhead made of what appears to be painted > wood separating the lazarette compartment from the floatation foam. There > is a similar painted wood bulkhead separating the floatation foam from the > cabin at the forward end of the cockpit. These wooden bulkheads appear to > be glassed in place pretty securely and would be very difficult to remove. > These wooden bulkheads are an important structural support for the cockpit > floor and it?s hard to believe they were left out on your boat. Do you > have any pictures of what you are talking about? > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 14, 2020, at 8:53 AM, Todd Tavares wrote: > > > > ?Hello Rhodies, > > > > I have a question for the braintrust. > > I cleaned and scrubbed out my lazarette prepping it for painting for this > > first time since I've owned the boat. I was surprised to find out there > is > > no structural bulkhead forming the forward wall of the laz. The forward > > wall of my laz is the wall of flotation foam. > > Are all Rhodes 22s built like this with no glassed in wooden bulkhead? > > I know my boat got swamped at the dock by hurricane tides before I bought > > it, and General Boats cleaned it up and made repairs. I doubt any > bulkhead > > would have been removed and there are no signs of one ever being there. > > Any info is appreciated. Thanks. > > > > Todd T. > > > > > >> On Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 9:49 PM David Talbot > wrote: > >> > >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- > >> From: David Talbot > >> Date: Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 9:47 PM > >> Subject: Re: Used Genoa > >> To: Mike Riter > >> > >> > >> Mike, > >> I have 2 Genoas: one 148? at base, one 198? > >> (A 130-140 and a 170 I believe) > >> Both are in good shape, Doyle, Some very minor scuff marks on sails but > >> fabric and stitching in very good shape > >> The 170 more lightweight fabric > >> Would offer both for $900.00, which is a terrific deal > >> > >> Also have a Bimini in mint condition, stainless steel posts, offering > for > >> $350.00 > >> > >> I have detailed photos if interested > >> > >>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 8:18 PM, Mike Riter > wrote: > >>> > >>> Thanks David! > >>> > >>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 6:40 PM David Talbot > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> I plan to pull it out of storage to measure and take photos > >>>> Will be a day or two > >>>> Thanks > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 1:34 PM, Mike Riter > >> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hi David. Saw your post on the forum for the Genoa. I'm so sorry to > see > >>>>> you lost the Fig. If you still have the Genoa, could you tell me what > >> size > >>>>> it is? (130-175) and what your asking price is? > >>>>> Thanks! > >>>>> > >>>>> Mike Riter > >>>>> SV Emma B > >>>>> mike at traildesign.com > >>>>> 678-410-8021 > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>> Michael Riter > >>> President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. > >>> Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training > >>> mike at traildesign.com > >>> 678-410-8021 > >>> > >>> > >> > From tavares0947 at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 12:27:03 2020 From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 12:27:03 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Laz Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think I just changed the subject line on another's post instead of starting a new post. I may have accidently commandeered Tom's or Mike's or David's (?) post where he is selling his sails and bimini. Sorry On Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 12:11 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > In the Laz on my boat, there?s a single layer of fiberglass that runs up > about 3? from the hull. Above that, there?s just the foam. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > On Oct 14, 2020, at 8:53 AM, Todd Tavares wrote: > > > > Hello Rhodies, > > > > I have a question for the braintrust. > > I cleaned and scrubbed out my lazarette prepping it for painting for this > > first time since I've owned the boat. I was surprised to find out there > is > > no structural bulkhead forming the forward wall of the laz. The forward > > wall of my laz is the wall of flotation foam. > > Are all Rhodes 22s built like this with no glassed in wooden bulkhead? > > I know my boat got swamped at the dock by hurricane tides before I bought > > it, and General Boats cleaned it up and made repairs. I doubt any > bulkhead > > would have been removed and there are no signs of one ever being there. > > Any info is appreciated. Thanks. > > > > Todd T. > > > > From tavares0947 at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 12:30:12 2020 From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 12:30:12 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Laz Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks fellows for the quick replies. Todd T. On Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 12:27 PM Todd Tavares wrote: > > I think I just changed the subject line on another's post instead of > starting a new post. > > I may have accidently commandeered Tom's or Mike's or David's (?) post > where he is selling his sails and bimini. > > Sorry > > > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 12:11 PM Peter Nyberg > wrote: > >> In the Laz on my boat, there?s a single layer of fiberglass that runs up >> about 3? from the hull. Above that, there?s just the foam. >> >> Peter Nyberg >> Coventry, CT >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) >> >> > On Oct 14, 2020, at 8:53 AM, Todd Tavares >> wrote: >> > >> > Hello Rhodies, >> > >> > I have a question for the braintrust. >> > I cleaned and scrubbed out my lazarette prepping it for painting for >> this >> > first time since I've owned the boat. I was surprised to find out there >> is >> > no structural bulkhead forming the forward wall of the laz. The forward >> > wall of my laz is the wall of flotation foam. >> > Are all Rhodes 22s built like this with no glassed in wooden bulkhead? >> > I know my boat got swamped at the dock by hurricane tides before I >> bought >> > it, and General Boats cleaned it up and made repairs. I doubt any >> bulkhead >> > would have been removed and there are no signs of one ever being there. >> > Any info is appreciated. Thanks. >> > >> > Todd T. >> > >> >> From Colealexander at hotmail.com Wed Oct 14 21:48:17 2020 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 18:48:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Our builder In-Reply-To: <1602627482062-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1602627482062-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1602726497180-0.post@n5.nabble.com> It occurs me our builder might sell more boats if he could be reached by prospective customers. Stan, are you ok? ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From stan at generalboats.com Thu Oct 15 04:37:16 2020 From: stan at generalboats.com (stan) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 04:37:16 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Our builder In-Reply-To: <1602627482062-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1602627482062-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5e737e9f-efd2-655d-1708-42572f06580b@generalboats.com> Well Alex, thanks for being so dogged. If you were using 'rhodes22.com' that has been long since abandoned.? stan at generalboats.com has been working fine for the past few years, at least for those with complaints. The phone has long since been abandoned in favor of the email address?? stan at generalboats.com?? All my List emails to this address, reach my 'home' office.? All the List emails reaches me via this address, as yours just did.? It is a strong address having weathered over blown praise and misplaced blamings.? The phone has also been given up on the logic that pushing 95, I don't hear so well, I don't see so well and I certainly don't smell so well. Congratulations on your thinking that you are ready for the new outhaul car.? They are completely new animals (so right up your alley) designed by Charles Gabriel, who has graciously been helping us with the growing parts business. You may recall a List member asking about help in how he can more readily get his IMF main in and out. He ordered a new design outhaul car and tells us that did it.? That surprised me, but I have no one to complain to. The new parts site will never be finished until I run out of new innovations or get partnering who knows how to complete sites; I barely know how to start them or our 4th one would have been ready to publish by now (a uniquely interesting one). Re the purpose of your email to the list, your have two choices: You can talk to Charles, if you have not already, < charles.gabriel at gmail.com > He take most everything from Pay Pale on up or down.? Or you can email me if you can get the address right, and, as a charter ROC member, say you need the new style IMF outhaul car sent to an address of your choosing.? When and if it ever arrives, we have a friend who knows how to collect our due. He had come to Elton at the St. Pete boat Show, wasted no words, said he represented a Columbia farmer. how much. gave us all cash and a note:? What day, what hour and what Tampa pier to leave it.? We did, and left.? He owes us a favor. stan On 10/13/20 6:18 PM, S/V Lark wrote: > Stan. Tomorrow I resort to snail mail. Emails are returned as > undeliverable and the phone on the website remains disconnected. I also > tried the ?contact me? link that is the only option on your new parts > website. I was hoping to order an outhaul car, mine is wearing with half > the grove a shark?s mouth. The plus side is that means it got some use. > > Please call me for credit card info, my number is the same. > > Alex > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From stan at generalboats.com Thu Oct 15 04:47:33 2020 From: stan at generalboats.com (stan) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 04:47:33 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Our builder In-Reply-To: <1602726497180-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1602627482062-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1602726497180-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Alex, do me a favor and send a test to: ??? ??? ??? stan at generalboats.com If it bounces, I am not OK.? But thanks for asking. On 10/14/20 9:48 PM, S/V Lark wrote: > It occurs me our builder might sell more boats if he could be reached by > prospective customers. > Stan, are you ok? > > > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From Colealexander at hotmail.com Thu Oct 15 07:51:42 2020 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 04:51:42 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Our builder In-Reply-To: References: <1602627482062-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1602726497180-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1602762702124-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Stan. It fails as ?missing domain? when I email through Nabble. I?m glad you escaped the witness protection program but their grasp appears long. Alex ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From hnw555 at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 07:57:58 2020 From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 07:57:58 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Our builder In-Reply-To: <1602762702124-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1602627482062-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1602726497180-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1602762702124-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Alex, I'd suggest using something other than nabble. Can you email him directly from your hotmail account? Hank On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 7:51 AM S/V Lark wrote: > Stan. It fails as ?missing domain? when I email through Nabble. I?m > glad > you escaped the witness protection program but their grasp appears long. > > Alex > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From Colealexander at hotmail.com Thu Oct 15 08:07:35 2020 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 05:07:35 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Our builder In-Reply-To: <5e737e9f-efd2-655d-1708-42572f06580b@generalboats.com> References: <1602627482062-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <5e737e9f-efd2-655d-1708-42572f06580b@generalboats.com> Message-ID: <1602763655935-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Stan. I don?t know if it?s a user feature of Nabble, which is how I use da list, but I cannot email to either link. They show as hidden links, so I cannot use it in Outlook. I recognize your desire for privacy and won?t ask any questions about the stealth Rhodes being build for NSA (better looking then Australia?s ?BlueBottle? sailboat drone program ). It would be useful if the non clandestine arm of GB could be contacted for general business. When we get this sorted you might consider providing updated contact information to the updated owners group webpage, currently in progress. Let us promote you. Alex. ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From mweisner at ebsmed.com Thu Oct 15 08:12:07 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael Weisner) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 08:12:07 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Our builder In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Stan,It is nice to hear from the real deal once and a while.See you next year in Annapolis. They probably refused to refund your deposit even after canceling the show.You're still OK.Mikes/v Wind Lass ('91)Nissequogue River, NY -------- Original message --------From: stan Date: 10/15/20 4:47 AM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Our builder Alex, do me a favor and send a test to: ??? ??? ??? stan at generalboats.comIf it bounces, I am not OK.? But thanks for asking.On 10/14/20 9:48 PM, S/V Lark wrote:> It occurs me our builder might sell more boats if he could be reached by> prospective customers.> Stan, are you ok?>>>>>> -----> Alex Cole> S/V Lark> --> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/> From Colealexander at hotmail.com Thu Oct 15 08:15:47 2020 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 05:15:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Our builder In-Reply-To: References: <1602627482062-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1602726497180-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1602762702124-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1602764147450-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Hank I have not found working contact information on his webpage or the parts order form. My old information from purchase is abandoned. The email on da list shows as hidden so I cannot type it into Outlook or Safari. How does one obtain the new email? Alex ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From hnw555 at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 08:20:02 2020 From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 08:20:02 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Our builder In-Reply-To: <1602764147450-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1602627482062-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1602726497180-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1602762702124-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1602764147450-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Just go to your email client, open a new email and send it to stan at generalboats.com. You don't need links or anything else and you don't need to send it to the list as well. It's a simple email. On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 8:15 AM S/V Lark wrote: > Hank > > I have not found working contact information on his webpage or the parts > order form. My old information from purchase is abandoned. The email > on > da list shows as hidden so I cannot type it into Outlook or Safari. How > does one obtain the new email? > > Alex > > > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From talbotdavid50 at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 09:40:23 2020 From: talbotdavid50 at gmail.com (David Talbot) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:40:23 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] =?utf-8?q?Genoa=E2=80=99s_and_Bimini_too_for_sale?= Message-ID: Apologies if pictures were sent already I have 2 Genoa?s that came with my Rhodes which are rigged for furling, both in very good shape (some minor scuffing on the smaller one)and have been in climate control storage since my boat scuttled in Florence. Braided job sheet stays with me. Will sell the pair for $950.00 plus shipping which is a great deal! $550.00 per sail. Bimini top in near-perfect condition also came with the Rhodes for $350.00. You would need need to pick that up. 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The email address will be visible. http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2020-October/086470.html BTW, Nabble is not ?da list?. It?s some some third party software and website that we have no control over. It could stop working or disappear tomorrow, and there would be nothing we could do about it. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On Oct 15, 2020, at 8:15 AM, S/V Lark wrote: > > Hank > > I have not found working contact information on his webpage or the parts > order form. My old information from purchase is abandoned. The email on > da list shows as hidden so I cannot type it into Outlook or Safari. How > does one obtain the new email? > > Alex > > > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From talbotdavid50 at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 10:19:24 2020 From: talbotdavid50 at gmail.com (David Talbot) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 10:19:24 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] =?utf-8?q?Genoa=E2=80=99s_for_sale_pictures_part_?= =?utf-8?q?3?= Message-ID: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_7388.jpg Type: image/jpg Size: 2665845 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Alex ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From stan at generalboats.com Thu Oct 15 14:12:54 2020 From: stan at generalboats.com (stan) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 14:12:54 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Our builder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Everyone go home.? Alex found his way. We are now trying to upgrade him from the new designed IMF outhaul car to a new Rhodes since new outhaul cars come standard on the new Rhodes making the cost of going with a New boat, not that much more. Mike, the show has still not told me no show this year and all the new prospects who went to the show just to see the Rhodes, said they could not find me.? So naturally I sent them to Alex.? Rumor has it that the show will refund my money, less something to cover their losses.? Since my big space was not that big I am letting our payment ride over for 2021.? In case I can't make attend, the List should use our space to show the oldest and newest Rhodes and sign up new members. On 10/15/20 8:12 AM, Michael Weisner wrote: > Stan,It is nice to hear from the real deal once and a while.See you next year in Annapolis. They probably refused to refund your deposit even after canceling the show.You're still OK.Mikes/v Wind Lass ('91)Nissequogue River, NY > -------- Original message --------From: stan Date: 10/15/20 4:47 AM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Our builder Alex, do me a favor and send a test to: ??? ??? ??? stan at generalboats.comIf it bounces, I am not OK.? But thanks for asking.On 10/14/20 9:48 PM, S/V Lark wrote:> It occurs me our builder might sell more boats if he could be reached by> prospective customers.> Stan, are you ok?>>>>>> -----> Alex Cole> S/V Lark> --> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/> From mweisner at ebsmed.com Thu Oct 15 15:01:35 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 15:01:35 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] For sale cont Bimini top In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006601d6a325$9b6986b0$d23c9410$@ebsmed.com> David, Where in NC? Convenient to I-95? Mike s/v Windlass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of David Talbot Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 10:22 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] For sale cont Bimini top -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We are now trying to upgrade him from the new designed IMF outhaul car to a new Rhodes since new outhaul cars come standard on the new Rhodes making the cost of going with a New boat, not that much more. > > Mike, the show has still not told me no show this year and all the new prospects who went to the show just to see the Rhodes, said they could not find me. So naturally I sent them to Alex. Rumor has it that the show will refund my money, less something to cover their losses. Since my big space was not that big I am letting our payment ride over for 2021. In case I can't make attend, the List should use our space to show the oldest and newest Rhodes and sign up new members. > > > On 10/15/20 8:12 AM, Michael Weisner wrote: >> Stan,It is nice to hear from the real deal once and a while.See you next year in Annapolis. They probably refused to refund your deposit even after canceling the show.You're still OK.Mikes/v Wind Lass ('91)Nissequogue River, NY >> -------- Original message --------From: stan Date: 10/15/20 4:47 AM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Our builder Alex, do me a favor and send a test to: stan at generalboats.comIf it bounces, I am not OK. But thanks for asking.On 10/14/20 9:48 PM, S/V Lark wrote:> It occurs me our builder might sell more boats if he could be reached by> prospective customers.> Stan, are you ok?>>>>>> -----> Alex Cole> S/V Lark> --> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/> > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Thu Oct 15 15:58:57 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 15:58:57 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Website version 2.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <654B776E-1F47-42D0-A64D-6FEB698854CB@sunnybeeches.com> So, version 1.0 is what you?ll find at rhodes22.org right now. Version 2.0 was my first attempt at a new website a few weeks ago. I developed this with the desktop in mind, giving little consideration to how it would function on the smaller screens of tablets and phones. It quickly became apparent that this approach was a big mistake. So, I went back to the drawing board, and have now completed initial development of version 2.1. As with v2.0, I?ve put the new site up at http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/ for review. Very little of the actual content of the site has changed between versions 2.0 and 2.1. It?s all about format and responsiveness to different screen sizes. I needed help to pull this off, so the first thing I did was to look for a website development framework that would do much of the heavy lifting. After a bit of research, I decided to use the W3.CSS framework. It has a reputation of being able to do the job, while being relatively easy to learn. Also, it?s entirely free, and requires no server-side installation other than a text .css file. I have tested the new website on my iPad and iPhone as well as Safari and Firefox on my Mac desktop. I will admit that there are some pages that don?t really look all that great on my phone, but it is usable. Others will have to have a look with other operating systems, devices, and browser, and report on their experiences. Thanks for your patience during this process. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) From blue66corvette at hotmail.com Thu Oct 15 16:03:47 2020 From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 20:03:47 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Our builder In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: I?ve had a Rhodes since 1991. I?m on my second boat. People keep talking about a ?new design? out haul car. Any one wanna share a picture? I?d really like to see what all the fuss is about. Sent from my iPhone Charles > On Oct 15, 2020, at 2:44 PM, David Bradley wrote: > > ?Have enjoyed reading this string while I was supposed to be paying attention to yet another Zoom meeting. I?ll second that - I ordered the new outhaul car and it?s a nice improvement. > > Best to all, > > Dave B > >> On Oct 15, 2020, at 2:12 PM, stan wrote: >> >> Everyone go home. Alex found his way. We are now trying to upgrade him from the new designed IMF outhaul car to a new Rhodes since new outhaul cars come standard on the new Rhodes making the cost of going with a New boat, not that much more. >> >> Mike, the show has still not told me no show this year and all the new prospects who went to the show just to see the Rhodes, said they could not find me. So naturally I sent them to Alex. Rumor has it that the show will refund my money, less something to cover their losses. Since my big space was not that big I am letting our payment ride over for 2021. In case I can't make attend, the List should use our space to show the oldest and newest Rhodes and sign up new members. >> >> >>> On 10/15/20 8:12 AM, Michael Weisner wrote: >>> Stan,It is nice to hear from the real deal once and a while.See you next year in Annapolis. They probably refused to refund your deposit even after canceling the show.You're still OK.Mikes/v Wind Lass ('91)Nissequogue River, NY >>> -------- Original message --------From: stan Date: 10/15/20 4:47 AM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Our builder Alex, do me a favor and send a test to: stan at generalboats.comIf it bounces, I am not OK. But thanks for asking.On 10/14/20 9:48 PM, S/V Lark wrote:> It occurs me our builder might sell more boats if he could be reached by> prospective customers.> Stan, are you ok?>>>>>> -----> Alex Cole> S/V Lark> --> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/> >> > From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 16:12:23 2020 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:12:23 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Website version 2.1 In-Reply-To: <654B776E-1F47-42D0-A64D-6FEB698854CB@sunnybeeches.com> References: <654B776E-1F47-42D0-A64D-6FEB698854CB@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, It looks good on a cell phone. Regards, Rick Lange On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 3:59 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > So, version 1.0 is what you?ll find at rhodes22.org > right now. Version 2.0 was my first attempt at a new website a few weeks > ago. I developed this with the desktop in mind, giving little > consideration to how it would function on the smaller screens of tablets > and phones. It quickly became apparent that this approach was a big > mistake. So, I went back to the drawing board, and have now completed > initial development of version 2.1. As with v2.0, I?ve put the new site up > at http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/ > for review. > > Very little of the actual content of the site has changed between versions > 2.0 and 2.1. It?s all about format and responsiveness to different screen > sizes. > > I needed help to pull this off, so the first thing I did was to look for a > website development framework that would do much of the heavy lifting. > After a bit of research, I decided to use the W3.CSS framework. It has a > reputation of being able to do the job, while being relatively easy to > learn. Also, it?s entirely free, and requires no server-side installation > other than a text .css file. > > I have tested the new website on my iPad and iPhone as well as Safari and > Firefox on my Mac desktop. I will admit that there are some pages that > don?t really look all that great on my phone, but it is usable. Others will > have to have a look with other operating systems, devices, and browser, and > report on their experiences. > > Thanks for your patience during this process. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) From hnw555 at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 16:17:03 2020 From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:17:03 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Website version 2.1 In-Reply-To: References: <654B776E-1F47-42D0-A64D-6FEB698854CB@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Rick's lying to you. It doesn't look good on a cell phone, it looks GREAT on a cell phone! Nicely done! Hank On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 4:13 PM Rick Lange wrote: > Hi Peter, > > It looks good on a cell phone. > > Regards, > > Rick Lange > > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 3:59 PM Peter Nyberg > wrote: > > > So, version 1.0 is what you?ll find at rhodes22.org < > http://rhodes22.org/> > > right now. Version 2.0 was my first attempt at a new website a few weeks > > ago. I developed this with the desktop in mind, giving little > > consideration to how it would function on the smaller screens of tablets > > and phones. It quickly became apparent that this approach was a big > > mistake. So, I went back to the drawing board, and have now completed > > initial development of version 2.1. As with v2.0, I?ve put the new site > up > > at http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/ > > for review. > > > > Very little of the actual content of the site has changed between > versions > > 2.0 and 2.1. It?s all about format and responsiveness to different > screen > > sizes. > > > > I needed help to pull this off, so the first thing I did was to look for > a > > website development framework that would do much of the heavy lifting. > > After a bit of research, I decided to use the W3.CSS framework. It has a > > reputation of being able to do the job, while being relatively easy to > > learn. Also, it?s entirely free, and requires no server-side > installation > > other than a text .css file. > > > > I have tested the new website on my iPad and iPhone as well as Safari and > > Firefox on my Mac desktop. I will admit that there are some pages that > > don?t really look all that great on my phone, but it is usable. Others > will > > have to have a look with other operating systems, devices, and browser, > and > > report on their experiences. > > > > Thanks for your patience during this process. > > > > Peter Nyberg > > Coventry, CT > > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Thu Oct 15 16:20:32 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 15:20:32 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Website version 2.1 In-Reply-To: References: <654B776E-1F47-42D0-A64D-6FEB698854CB@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Wonderful, much better with the responsive css. On Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 3:17 PM Hank wrote: > Rick's lying to you. It doesn't look good on a cell phone, it looks GREAT > on a cell phone! Nicely done! > > Hank > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 4:13 PM Rick Lange > wrote: > > > Hi Peter, > > > > It looks good on a cell phone. > > > > Regards, > > > > Rick Lange > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 3:59 PM Peter Nyberg > > wrote: > > > > > So, version 1.0 is what you?ll find at rhodes22.org < > > http://rhodes22.org/> > > > right now. Version 2.0 was my first attempt at a new website a few > weeks > > > ago. I developed this with the desktop in mind, giving little > > > consideration to how it would function on the smaller screens of > tablets > > > and phones. It quickly became apparent that this approach was a big > > > mistake. So, I went back to the drawing board, and have now completed > > > initial development of version 2.1. As with v2.0, I?ve put the new > site > > up > > > at http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/ < > http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/> > > > for review. > > > > > > Very little of the actual content of the site has changed between > > versions > > > 2.0 and 2.1. It?s all about format and responsiveness to different > > screen > > > sizes. > > > > > > I needed help to pull this off, so the first thing I did was to look > for > > a > > > website development framework that would do much of the heavy lifting. > > > After a bit of research, I decided to use the W3.CSS framework. It > has a > > > reputation of being able to do the job, while being relatively easy to > > > learn. Also, it?s entirely free, and requires no server-side > > installation > > > other than a text .css file. > > > > > > I have tested the new website on my iPad and iPhone as well as Safari > and > > > Firefox on my Mac desktop. I will admit that there are some pages that > > > don?t really look all that great on my phone, but it is usable. Others > > will > > > have to have a look with other operating systems, devices, and browser, > > and > > > report on their experiences. > > > > > > Thanks for your patience during this process. > > > > > > Peter Nyberg > > > Coventry, CT > > > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > From talbotdavid50 at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 16:21:17 2020 From: talbotdavid50 at gmail.com (David Talbot) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:21:17 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] For sale cont Bimini top In-Reply-To: <006601d6a325$9b6986b0$d23c9410$@ebsmed.com> References: <006601d6a325$9b6986b0$d23c9410$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Welll, My zipcode is 28516 Easier to come down Eastern Shore route through Bay Bridge tunnel then New Bern then Beaufort On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 3:01 PM, Michael D. Weisner wrote: > David, > > Where in NC? Convenient to I-95? > > Mike > s/v Windlass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > David Talbot > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 10:22 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] For sale cont Bimini top > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_7375.jpg > Type: image/jpg > Size: 2527633 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201015/795bc245/attachment.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_7379.jpg > Type: image/jpg > Size: 3040929 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201015/795bc245/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 16:20:58 2020 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:20:58 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Website version 2.1 In-Reply-To: References: <654B776E-1F47-42D0-A64D-6FEB698854CB@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: I stand corrected. Regards, Rick Lange On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 4:17 PM Hank wrote: > Rick's lying to you. It doesn't look good on a cell phone, it looks GREAT > on a cell phone! Nicely done! > > Hank > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 4:13 PM Rick Lange > wrote: > > > Hi Peter, > > > > It looks good on a cell phone. > > > > Regards, > > > > Rick Lange > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 3:59 PM Peter Nyberg > > wrote: > > > > > So, version 1.0 is what you?ll find at rhodes22.org < > > http://rhodes22.org/> > > > right now. Version 2.0 was my first attempt at a new website a few > weeks > > > ago. I developed this with the desktop in mind, giving little > > > consideration to how it would function on the smaller screens of > tablets > > > and phones. It quickly became apparent that this approach was a big > > > mistake. So, I went back to the drawing board, and have now completed > > > initial development of version 2.1. As with v2.0, I?ve put the new > site > > up > > > at http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/ < > http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/> > > > for review. > > > > > > Very little of the actual content of the site has changed between > > versions > > > 2.0 and 2.1. It?s all about format and responsiveness to different > > screen > > > sizes. > > > > > > I needed help to pull this off, so the first thing I did was to look > for > > a > > > website development framework that would do much of the heavy lifting. > > > After a bit of research, I decided to use the W3.CSS framework. It > has a > > > reputation of being able to do the job, while being relatively easy to > > > learn. Also, it?s entirely free, and requires no server-side > > installation > > > other than a text .css file. > > > > > > I have tested the new website on my iPad and iPhone as well as Safari > and > > > Firefox on my Mac desktop. I will admit that there are some pages that > > > don?t really look all that great on my phone, but it is usable. Others > > will > > > have to have a look with other operating systems, devices, and browser, > > and > > > report on their experiences. > > > > > > Thanks for your patience during this process. > > > > > > Peter Nyberg > > > Coventry, CT > > > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Thu Oct 15 18:06:26 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael Weisner) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 18:06:26 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Website version 2.1 In-Reply-To: <654B776E-1F47-42D0-A64D-6FEB698854CB@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Peter,Very nice (on my Samsung 'droid)!Mikes/v Wind Lass ('91)Nissequogue River, NY -------- Original message --------From: Peter Nyberg Date: 10/15/20 3:59 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Website version 2.1 So, version 1.0 is what you?ll find at rhodes22.org right now.? Version 2.0 was my first attempt at a new website a few weeks ago.? I developed this with the desktop in mind, giving little consideration to how it would function on the smaller screens of tablets and phones.? It quickly became apparent that this approach was a big mistake.? So, I went back to the drawing board, and have now completed initial development of version 2.1.? As with v2.0, I?ve put the new site up at http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/ for review.Very little of the actual content of the site has changed between versions 2.0 and 2.1.? It?s all about format and responsiveness to different screen sizes.I needed help to pull this off, so the first thing I did was to look for a website development framework that would do much of the heavy lifting.? After a bit of research, I decided to use the W3.CSS framework.? It has a reputation of being able to do the job, while being relatively easy to learn.? Also, it?s entirely free, and requires no server-side installation other than a text .css file.? I have tested the new website on my iPad and iPhone as well as Safari and Firefox on my Mac desktop.? I will admit that there are some pages that don?t really look all that great on my phone, but it is usable. Others will have to have a look with other operating systems, devices, and browser, and report on their experiences.Thanks for your patience during this process.Peter NybergCoventry, CTs/v Silverheels (1988/2016) From Colealexander at hotmail.com Thu Oct 15 18:26:19 2020 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 15:26:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Website version 2.1 In-Reply-To: <654B776E-1F47-42D0-A64D-6FEB698854CB@sunnybeeches.com> References: <1602627482062-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1602726497180-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <654B776E-1F47-42D0-A64D-6FEB698854CB@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <1602800779501-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Peter: Thanks again for all you have done. Can we help others avoid my misadventure? I'd suggest adding the working email under your General Boat's heading. As Stan noticed, I tend to be one of those fools that takes the boat out if there is any doubt about the conditions being close to design specs and breaks things with great efficiency. It would be a help for boat abusers such as myself to have his contact information easily retrievable, just in case my address book becomes compromised down the road. When I was boat shopping I stumbled on Ted's AIR POWER video (Before SILVERHEELS videos) and followed that rabbit hole until I found Da List on Nabble. That took me to Stan. Since my budget frowns on commissioning a brand new Rhodes with carbon fiber interior this fall, I want to do the next best thing and steer some other wanna be to the source. Alex ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From retro53 at msn.com Thu Oct 15 19:19:52 2020 From: retro53 at msn.com (John Keyser) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 23:19:52 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Laz Question In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Hi Todd, I have a 1980 model that has no bulkheads between the cockpit floor and the hull, either on the cabin or lazarette ends - just the foam. John Keyser ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Todd Tavares Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 8:53 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Laz Question Hello Rhodies, I have a question for the braintrust. I cleaned and scrubbed out my lazarette prepping it for painting for this first time since I've owned the boat. I was surprised to find out there is no structural bulkhead forming the forward wall of the laz. The forward wall of my laz is the wall of flotation foam. Are all Rhodes 22s built like this with no glassed in wooden bulkhead? I know my boat got swamped at the dock by hurricane tides before I bought it, and General Boats cleaned it up and made repairs. I doubt any bulkhead would have been removed and there are no signs of one ever being there. Any info is appreciated. Thanks. Todd T. On Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 9:49 PM David Talbot wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: David Talbot > Date: Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 9:47 PM > Subject: Re: Used Genoa > To: Mike Riter > > > Mike, > I have 2 Genoas: one 148? at base, one 198? > (A 130-140 and a 170 I believe) > Both are in good shape, Doyle, Some very minor scuff marks on sails but > fabric and stitching in very good shape > The 170 more lightweight fabric > Would offer both for $900.00, which is a terrific deal > > Also have a Bimini in mint condition, stainless steel posts, offering for > $350.00 > > I have detailed photos if interested > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 8:18 PM, Mike Riter wrote: > > > Thanks David! > > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 6:40 PM David Talbot > > wrote: > > > >> I plan to pull it out of storage to measure and take photos > >> Will be a day or two > >> Thanks > >> > >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 1:34 PM, Mike Riter > wrote: > >> > >>> Hi David. Saw your post on the forum for the Genoa. I'm so sorry to see > >>> you lost the Fig. If you still have the Genoa, could you tell me what > size > >>> it is? (130-175) and what your asking price is? > >>> Thanks! > >>> > >>> Mike Riter > >>> SV Emma B > >>> mike at traildesign.com > >>> 678-410-8021 > >>> > >>> -- > > Michael Riter > > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. > > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training > > mike at traildesign.com > > 678-410-8021 > > > > > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Thu Oct 15 19:42:05 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 18:42:05 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Laz Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For the archive, our Octopian is a 2011/2017. Ymmv depending on year. On Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 6:19 PM John Keyser wrote: > Hi Todd, > > I have a 1980 model that has no bulkheads between the cockpit floor and > the hull, either on the cabin or lazarette ends - just the foam. > > John Keyser > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Todd Tavares > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 8:53 AM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Laz Question > > Hello Rhodies, > > I have a question for the braintrust. > I cleaned and scrubbed out my lazarette prepping it for painting for this > first time since I've owned the boat. I was surprised to find out there is > no structural bulkhead forming the forward wall of the laz. The forward > wall of my laz is the wall of flotation foam. > Are all Rhodes 22s built like this with no glassed in wooden bulkhead? > I know my boat got swamped at the dock by hurricane tides before I bought > it, and General Boats cleaned it up and made repairs. I doubt any bulkhead > would have been removed and there are no signs of one ever being there. > Any info is appreciated. Thanks. > > Todd T. > > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 9:49 PM David Talbot > wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > > From: David Talbot > > Date: Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 9:47 PM > > Subject: Re: Used Genoa > > To: Mike Riter > > > > > > Mike, > > I have 2 Genoas: one 148? at base, one 198? > > (A 130-140 and a 170 I believe) > > Both are in good shape, Doyle, Some very minor scuff marks on sails but > > fabric and stitching in very good shape > > The 170 more lightweight fabric > > Would offer both for $900.00, which is a terrific deal > > > > Also have a Bimini in mint condition, stainless steel posts, offering for > > $350.00 > > > > I have detailed photos if interested > > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 8:18 PM, Mike Riter > wrote: > > > > > Thanks David! > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 6:40 PM David Talbot > > > wrote: > > > > > >> I plan to pull it out of storage to measure and take photos > > >> Will be a day or two > > >> Thanks > > >> > > >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 1:34 PM, Mike Riter > > wrote: > > >> > > >>> Hi David. Saw your post on the forum for the Genoa. I'm so sorry to > see > > >>> you lost the Fig. If you still have the Genoa, could you tell me what > > size > > >>> it is? (130-175) and what your asking price is? > > >>> Thanks! > > >>> > > >>> Mike Riter > > >>> SV Emma B > > >>> mike at traildesign.com > > >>> 678-410-8021 > > >>> > > >>> -- > > > Michael Riter > > > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. > > > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training > > > mike at traildesign.com > > > 678-410-8021 > > > > > > > > > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Thu Oct 15 20:53:08 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 20:53:08 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Website version 2.1 In-Reply-To: <1602800779501-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1602627482062-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1602726497180-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <654B776E-1F47-42D0-A64D-6FEB698854CB@sunnybeeches.com> <1602800779501-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <7CB43BE5-E9C7-4665-A8E4-56B5D87644CE@sunnybeeches.com> Alex, I see your point. I?ll add an email address for Stan on the General Boats page somewhere. ?Peter > On Oct 15, 2020, at 6:26 PM, S/V Lark wrote: > > Peter: Thanks again for all you have done. > > Can we help others avoid my misadventure? I'd suggest adding the working > email under your General Boat's heading. As Stan noticed, I tend to be one > of those fools that takes the boat out if there is any doubt about the > conditions being close to design specs and breaks things with great > efficiency. It would be a help for boat abusers such as myself to have > his contact information easily retrievable, just in case my address book > becomes compromised down the road. > > When I was boat shopping I stumbled on Ted's AIR POWER video (Before > SILVERHEELS videos) and followed that rabbit hole until I found Da List on > Nabble. That took me to Stan. Since my budget frowns on commissioning a > brand new Rhodes with carbon fiber interior this fall, I want to do the next > best thing and steer some other wanna be to the source. > > Alex > > > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From allynb at adsne.com Fri Oct 16 06:11:44 2020 From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 10:11:44 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bluetooth depth finder for Navionics In-Reply-To: References: <8992F331-63F7-489B-8D6B-FD2AE3C0A97A@adsne.com>, Message-ID: <6A6FCA8F-4B9D-4AEE-BC1F-AE37540AB1E0@adsne.com> Thank you, Jesse! Your email contains a lot of great info, and I appreciate all you said. I?m a bit confused about bathymetry charts - I?m not intending on making multiple runs in one area, so I don?t think so. Bathymetry charts are for created as you?re cruising in one particular area, correct? I?m looking at using an iPad, and I?m looking for a swing arm mounted in the cabin that extends to the cockpit without dismounting it. I like the idea of a separate GPS received such as Bad Elf, because I think it?ll be more reliable in receiving a signal. I did see the T-Box prior to sending in the email, but that was about all I could find, and I wasn?t sure if something was better. I may do the stand alone for the altering. Seems like a very good idea, as that?s why I want one. Thanks again Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 10, 2020, at 9:14 AM, Jesse Shumaker wrote: > > ?Hi Allyn, > > Are you looking to get a depth finder to incorporate with Navionics for > purposes of their SonarChart functionality that allows you to create > bathymetry maps? If so, it appears you can use SonarPhone T-BOX with > Navionics for that purpose. More info is available at the links below: > https://www.navionics.com/usa/company/supported-manufacturers/sonarphone > https://www.navionics.com/usa/support/compatibility-guides/sonarchart-live > > I just got Navionics before our trip to Michigan and found it very > helpful. I was using it on my phone (Samsung Galaxy Active S8 running > Android). About a year ago, my phone took a significant drop and I think > that may have damaged the GPS receiver inside since it sometimes > loses connection. For that reason, and also because I'm a bit nervous > about having my phone out in the cockpit since I don't want it to go > overboard, I just got an iPod Touch that I'll pair with a Bad Elf Pro via > Bluetooth to catch the GPS signal. I ordered a waterproof case for the > iPod touch and a wristband ( https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07Z76ZB8G) > to hold the iPod. I found myself moving around and zooming, etc. so it's > nice to have the iPod immediately available. Since the Navionics > subscription extends to all of your devices, I also loaded it on a tablet > which I use when planning navigation but I didn't actually have it mounted > in the cockpit. I might try to add a mount for the tablet in the cockpit > of my R22 next summer. > > Of course the depth finder on the charter boat was not integrated with > Navionics on my phone, but I don't think that would have added much value. > I'm always keeping an eye on the depth finder in any shallow area anyway > and you can set alarms on depth finders so it will go off once you reach a > specified depth. > > Regarding the iPad setup, if you want a GPS receiver built in, you'll need > to get an IPad with Cellular (from what I have read, that also includes a > GPS chip). If you go for the wifi only model, then you can pair that with > a GPS receiver such as one of the versions of Bad Elf or Garmin GLO. You > can download the charts while still on wifi and they are available for use > when you're out on the water without wifi/cell connection. > > While I really like the digital charts on Navionics, I found the OpenCPN > preferable when I want to look at NOAA charts in digital format, so I have > both apps loaded. The learning curve is steeper for OpenCPN. > > Perhaps you already know most of this. I just researched this recently for > my own purposes so I figured I might as well share. > > It would be great if you can let us know what setup you end up going with. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > >>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 7:56 PM Allyn Baskerville wrote: >> I?m looking at doing some coastal sailing next year, and I?m leaning >> towards installing the Navionics app on an iPad. I?ve bred searching around >> for a depth finder that will integrate with this setup. I?ve been looking >> around but not really sure what works well. Any suggestions? Thanks >> Sent from my iPhone From allynb at adsne.com Fri Oct 16 06:37:31 2020 From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 10:37:31 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] AIS and VHF radios Message-ID: <21D2112A-8C54-4438-8373-802F56F9E30A@adsne.com> I located a new-in-the box iCom IC-M412 VHF radio, and I?d like to pair it with and AIS receiver. This is an older model radio, and the box states it?s compatible with an MA-500TR AIS transponder. I contacted iCom to see if the radio will work with any AIS receivers, and they responded with ?both these units are now unsupported?. No details for the question I asked. I?ve never used AIS before, so my question is very general. Can you use AIS receivers with most chassis-based VHF radios like this? Am I wasting my time and need to get another radio? Thanks Sent from my iPhone From shawn.sustain at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 12:21:58 2020 From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 09:21:58 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Our builder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes! Please post pic of new outhaul car. Cheers Shawn s/v Sweet Baboo On Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 1:03 PM Charles Nieman wrote: > I?ve had a Rhodes since 1991. I?m on my second boat. People keep talking > about a ?new design? out haul car. Any one wanna share a picture? I?d > really like to see what all the fuss is about. > > Sent from my iPhone > > Charles > > > On Oct 15, 2020, at 2:44 PM, David Bradley wrote: > > > > ?Have enjoyed reading this string while I was supposed to be paying > attention to yet another Zoom meeting. I?ll second that - I ordered the new > outhaul car and it?s a nice improvement. > > > > Best to all, > > > > Dave B > > > >> On Oct 15, 2020, at 2:12 PM, stan wrote: > >> > >> Everyone go home. Alex found his way. We are now trying to upgrade him > from the new designed IMF outhaul car to a new Rhodes since new outhaul > cars come standard on the new Rhodes making the cost of going with a New > boat, not that much more. > >> > >> Mike, the show has still not told me no show this year and all the new > prospects who went to the show just to see the Rhodes, said they could not > find me. So naturally I sent them to Alex. Rumor has it that the show > will refund my money, less something to cover their losses. Since my big > space was not that big I am letting our payment ride over for 2021. In > case I can't make attend, the List should use our space to show the oldest > and newest Rhodes and sign up new members. > >> > >> > >>> On 10/15/20 8:12 AM, Michael Weisner wrote: > >>> Stan,It is nice to hear from the real deal once and a while.See you > next year in Annapolis. They probably refused to refund your deposit even > after canceling the show.You're still OK.Mikes/v Wind Lass ('91)Nissequogue > River, NY > >>> -------- Original message --------From: stan > Date: 10/15/20 4:47 AM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Our builder > Alex, do me a favor and send a test to: stan at generalboats.comIf > it bounces, I am not OK. But thanks for asking.On 10/14/20 9:48 PM, S/V > Lark wrote:> It occurs me our builder might sell more boats if he could be > reached by> prospective customers.> Stan, are you ok?>>>>>> -----> Alex > Cole> S/V Lark> --> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/> > >> > > > From joedempsey at hughes.net Fri Oct 16 17:43:22 2020 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 14:43:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Our builder In-Reply-To: References: <1602627482062-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1602726497180-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1602884602769-0.post@n5.nabble.com> ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From joedempsey at hughes.net Fri Oct 16 17:45:55 2020 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 14:45:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Our builder In-Reply-To: References: <1602627482062-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1602726497180-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1602884755195-0.post@n5.nabble.com> This is the new Outhaul Car. I purchased one this year and it works great. Much better than the SS version. ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From peter at sunnybeeches.com Fri Oct 16 17:50:53 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 17:50:53 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Our builder In-Reply-To: <1602884602769-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1602627482062-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1602726497180-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1602884602769-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: That?s the new car? It looks exactly the same as the one that came on my boat that was recycled in 2016. That thin piece of metal that connects the car to the clew of the sail failed after a few years from metal fatigue. I replaced it with a continuous loop of dyneema. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On Oct 16, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Joe Dempsey wrote: > > > > > > ----- > Joe Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Deltaville,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 21:20:34 2020 From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 18:20:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Our builder In-Reply-To: References: <1602627482062-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1602726497180-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1602884602769-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1602897634781-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Here is a photo of the new outhaul car I ordered late last year. George Morgan S/V Knotty Lady 1986 -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From allynb at adsne.com Fri Oct 16 22:01:35 2020 From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 02:01:35 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] AIS and VHF radios In-Reply-To: <21D2112A-8C54-4438-8373-802F56F9E30A@adsne.com> References: <21D2112A-8C54-4438-8373-802F56F9E30A@adsne.com> Message-ID: <57F6960D-4405-4AA6-9A02-3B4B9B459AB0@adsne.com> The radio has a lead (appears the same gauge as the external speaker wire) for NMEA OUT LEAD (NMEA0183 v 3.01 sentences formatters). I?m lost in trying to go through the options, but it appears most AIS receivers want a separate coax cable feed or a splitter at least. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 16, 2020, at 5:37 AM, Allyn Baskerville wrote: > > ?I located a new-in-the box iCom IC-M412 VHF radio, and I?d like to pair it with and AIS receiver. This is an older model radio, and the box states it?s compatible with an MA-500TR AIS transponder. I contacted iCom to see if the radio will work with any AIS receivers, and they responded with ?both these units are now unsupported?. No details for the question I asked. > > I?ve never used AIS before, so my question is very general. Can you use AIS receivers with most chassis-based VHF radios like this? Am I wasting my time and need to get another radio? > > Thanks > > Sent from my iPhone From stan at generalboats.com Sat Oct 17 06:12:39 2020 From: stan at generalboats.com (stan) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 06:12:39 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Our builder In-Reply-To: <1602884602769-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1602627482062-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1602726497180-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1602884602769-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: * ??? OF? COURSE? THIS? IS? THE? OLD? ONE * On 10/16/20 5:43 PM, Joe Dempsey wrote: > > > > > ----- > Joe Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Deltaville,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From stan at generalboats.com Sat Oct 17 06:25:45 2020 From: stan at generalboats.com (stan) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 06:25:45 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Our builder In-Reply-To: <1602897634781-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1602627482062-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1602726497180-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1602884602769-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1602897634781-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <04e19418-20c5-0bee-9268-df53e14216cb@generalboats.com> Thanks George On 10/16/20 9:20 PM, Gmorganflier wrote: > Here is a photo of the new outhaul car I ordered late last year. > > George Morgan > S/V Knotty Lady 1986 > > > > > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From stan at generalboats.com Sat Oct 17 06:44:03 2020 From: stan at generalboats.com (stan) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 06:44:03 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] correction on IMF outhal car In-Reply-To: <1602884755195-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1602627482062-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1602726497180-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1602884755195-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1737b8dc-b586-433c-aa78-d604b04ae486@generalboats.com> *Joe, Nabble sent wrong picture.? But, in keeping with the spirit of the election, 'I approve this message'.** * On 10/16/20 5:45 PM, Joe Dempsey wrote: > This is the new Outhaul Car./I purchased one this year and it works great. Much better than the SS > version/. > > > > > ----- > Joe Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Deltaville,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Sat Oct 17 09:33:18 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael Weisner) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 09:33:18 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Our builder In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Stan,I thought that this was "the old one" ;-) Mikes/v Wind Lass ('91)Nissequogue River, NY -------- Original message --------From: stan Date: 10/17/20 6:12 AM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Our builder * ??? OF? COURSE? THIS? IS? THE? OLD? ONE *On 10/16/20 5:43 PM, Joe Dempsey wrote:> >>>> -----> Joe Dempsey> s/v Respite> Rhodes 22 1989/2005> Deltaville,VA> --> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Stan Spitzer on Monday Annapolis 2013.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 83142 bytes Desc: not available URL: From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Sat Oct 17 09:37:46 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 09:37:46 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Our builder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Michael, Oh that is a good one. And in the spirit of the election. "Mr. President, (of GB) how do you respond to this?" Chris G Enosis On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 9:33 AM Michael Weisner wrote: > > Stan,I thought that this was "the old one" ;-) > Mikes/v Wind Lass ('91)Nissequogue River, NY > -------- Original message --------From: stan > Date: 10/17/20 6:12 AM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Our builder * > OF COURSE THIS IS THE OLD ONE *On 10/16/20 5:43 PM, Joe Dempsey > wrote:> < > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Outhaul_Car_New.jpg>>>>> > -----> Joe Dempsey> s/v Respite> Rhodes 22 1989/2005> Deltaville,VA> --> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Stan Spitzer on Monday Annapolis 2013.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 83142 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201017/28911757/attachment.jpg > > > From stan at generalboats.com Sat Oct 17 17:48:28 2020 From: stan at generalboats.com (stan) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 17:48:28 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Our builder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <753bb539-91cb-050c-7e91-e110d489c1d0@generalboats.com> Chris,? As a political junkie student of our great leader I would say, being a midge disingenuous:? "It was, until it wasn't". On 10/17/20 9:37 AM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: > Michael, > Oh that is a good one. And in the spirit of the election. "Mr. > President, (of GB) how do you respond to this?" > Chris G > Enosis > > On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 9:33 AM Michael Weisner wrote: > >> Stan,I thought that this was "the old one" ;-) >> Mikes/v Wind Lass ('91)Nissequogue River, NY >> -------- Original message --------From: stan >> Date: 10/17/20 6:12 AM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List < >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Our builder * >> OF COURSE THIS IS THE OLD ONE *On 10/16/20 5:43 PM, Joe Dempsey >> wrote:> < >> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Outhaul_Car_New.jpg>>>>> >> -----> Joe Dempsey> s/v Respite> Rhodes 22 1989/2005> Deltaville,VA> --> >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: Stan Spitzer on Monday Annapolis 2013.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 83142 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201017/28911757/attachment.jpg From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Sat Oct 17 20:16:36 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 19:16:36 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Our builder In-Reply-To: <753bb539-91cb-050c-7e91-e110d489c1d0@generalboats.com> References: <753bb539-91cb-050c-7e91-e110d489c1d0@generalboats.com> Message-ID: Please let's keep this a bipartisan group. Love the r22. I don't, we don't, you don't, need to know/care who's voting which way. This being said, this boat is amazing! I love how easy it is to sail. I love it takes 20knts while also being easy to keep up with! See you all, in lake michigan, soon! Tom On Sat, Oct 17, 2020, 4:48 PM stan wrote: > > Chris, As a political junkie student of our great leader I would say, > being a midge disingenuous: "It was, until it wasn't". > > On 10/17/20 9:37 AM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: > > Michael, > > Oh that is a good one. And in the spirit of the election. "Mr. > > President, (of GB) how do you respond to this?" > > Chris G > > Enosis > > > > On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 9:33 AM Michael Weisner > wrote: > > > >> Stan,I thought that this was "the old one" ;-) > >> Mikes/v Wind Lass ('91)Nissequogue River, NY > >> -------- Original message --------From: stan > >> Date: 10/17/20 6:12 AM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List < > >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Our builder * > >> OF COURSE THIS IS THE OLD ONE *On 10/16/20 5:43 PM, Joe > Dempsey > >> wrote:> < > >> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Outhaul_Car_New.jpg > >>>>> > >> -----> Joe Dempsey> s/v Respite> Rhodes 22 1989/2005> Deltaville,VA> --> > >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/> > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> Name: Stan Spitzer on Monday Annapolis 2013.jpg > >> Type: image/jpeg > >> Size: 83142 bytes > >> Desc: not available > >> URL: < > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201017/28911757/attachment.jpg > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Sat Oct 17 20:30:53 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 19:30:53 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bluetooth depth finder for Navionics In-Reply-To: <6A6FCA8F-4B9D-4AEE-BC1F-AE37540AB1E0@adsne.com> References: <8992F331-63F7-489B-8D6B-FD2AE3C0A97A@adsne.com> <6A6FCA8F-4B9D-4AEE-BC1F-AE37540AB1E0@adsne.com> Message-ID: Hi Allyn, I think you could go without pairing the depth sounder to the iPad since it sounds like you don't have a need to actually draw custom charts using Navionics. I was surprised to see that Navionics had data on our tiny Lake Manawa. I take that as an indication that they have data for pretty much anywhere else in the U.S. that I might sail. A few other notes regarding tablets: manufacturers of the GPS receivers claim that using a separate purpose-built GPS receiver (rather than relying on one built into a tablet) will give better accuracy. You will also have less drain on the tablet battery during use, but you'll need to charge the GPS receiver in addition to the tablet at the end of the day. There seem to be fiercely divided camps regarding the fans of the tablet/smartphone + app crowd vs. fans of the dedicated chartplotter. It seems that each have pros and cons. As others have mentioned, tablets and phones can be hard to view in the light. You probably don't want to leave a tablet in the sun anyway since they can overheat and shutdown as a safety mechanism. There are some great options such as LifeProof and Otterbox for cases to protect against water and shocks. Regarding the swing out mount, I came across this youtube video demonstrating a DIY approach: https://youtu.be/YVB5bqiJUCI The RAM mounts that Peter mentioned seem to be popular. Here are a couple links to other options, but I don't know if they would be up to the "dynamic equilibrium" (as Roger would say) conditions of a sailboat on an exciting day: https://www.amazon.com/Bentley-Mounts-Universal-Tablet-Mount/dp/B010MGIWR4 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06WWR998F/ I am curious to see how your mount setup comes together. Good luck! Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 5:11 AM Allyn Baskerville wrote: > Thank you, Jesse! Your email contains a lot of great info, and I > appreciate all you said. I?m a bit confused about bathymetry charts - I?m > not intending on making multiple runs in one area, so I don?t think so. > Bathymetry charts are for created as you?re cruising in one particular > area, correct? > > I?m looking at using an iPad, and I?m looking for a swing arm mounted in > the cabin that extends to the cockpit without dismounting it. I like the > idea of a separate GPS received such as Bad Elf, because I think it?ll be > more reliable in receiving a signal. I did see the T-Box prior to sending > in the email, but that was about all I could find, and I wasn?t sure if > something was better. I may do the stand alone for the altering. Seems like > a very good idea, as that?s why I want one. > > Thanks again > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 10, 2020, at 9:14 AM, Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > ?Hi Allyn, > > > > Are you looking to get a depth finder to incorporate with Navionics for > > purposes of their SonarChart functionality that allows you to create > > bathymetry maps? If so, it appears you can use SonarPhone T-BOX with > > Navionics for that purpose. More info is available at the links below: > > https://www.navionics.com/usa/company/supported-manufacturers/sonarphone > > > https://www.navionics.com/usa/support/compatibility-guides/sonarchart-live > > > > I just got Navionics before our trip to Michigan and found it very > > helpful. I was using it on my phone (Samsung Galaxy Active S8 running > > Android). About a year ago, my phone took a significant drop and I think > > that may have damaged the GPS receiver inside since it sometimes > > loses connection. For that reason, and also because I'm a bit nervous > > about having my phone out in the cockpit since I don't want it to go > > overboard, I just got an iPod Touch that I'll pair with a Bad Elf Pro via > > Bluetooth to catch the GPS signal. I ordered a waterproof case for the > > iPod touch and a wristband ( > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07Z76ZB8G) > > to hold the iPod. I found myself moving around and zooming, etc. so it's > > nice to have the iPod immediately available. Since the Navionics > > subscription extends to all of your devices, I also loaded it on a tablet > > which I use when planning navigation but I didn't actually have it > mounted > > in the cockpit. I might try to add a mount for the tablet in the cockpit > > of my R22 next summer. > > > > Of course the depth finder on the charter boat was not integrated with > > Navionics on my phone, but I don't think that would have added much > value. > > I'm always keeping an eye on the depth finder in any shallow area anyway > > and you can set alarms on depth finders so it will go off once you reach > a > > specified depth. > > > > Regarding the iPad setup, if you want a GPS receiver built in, you'll > need > > to get an IPad with Cellular (from what I have read, that also includes a > > GPS chip). If you go for the wifi only model, then you can pair that > with > > a GPS receiver such as one of the versions of Bad Elf or Garmin GLO. You > > can download the charts while still on wifi and they are available for > use > > when you're out on the water without wifi/cell connection. > > > > While I really like the digital charts on Navionics, I found the OpenCPN > > preferable when I want to look at NOAA charts in digital format, so I > have > > both apps loaded. The learning curve is steeper for OpenCPN. > > > > Perhaps you already know most of this. I just researched this recently > for > > my own purposes so I figured I might as well share. > > > > It would be great if you can let us know what setup you end up going > with. > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > >>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 7:56 PM Allyn Baskerville > wrote: > >> I?m looking at doing some coastal sailing next year, and I?m leaning > >> towards installing the Navionics app on an iPad. I?ve bred searching > around > >> for a depth finder that will integrate with this setup. I?ve been > looking > >> around but not really sure what works well. Any suggestions? Thanks > >> Sent from my iPhone > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Sat Oct 17 20:35:12 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 19:35:12 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cruising To Garden Island - The Rest Of The Story In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Roger, thanks for the tips on Garden Island. I'll be sure to post some photos if we make it out there next year. I'm working a recap of the recent trip to Grand Traverse Bay but catching back up at work after vacation and hauling out my boat have kept me busy. In exciting news, today I traded in my hatchback and purchased a tow vehicle so I won't have to rely on friends with trucks. My ability to plan road trips just increased dramatically! Jesse Shaker S/V Zephyr On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 12:52 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Jesse, > > Given the number of years since they were installed and the harsh weather, > I?d be curious what the condition of our trail signs are. Hopefully, > nobody vandalized them; but, you never know. The Native American Graveyard > is pretty interesting. The hiking is easy, with no more than 20 feet of > elevation change over the entire island. Hopefully, there?s been enough > foot traffic over the years to keep the trails from getting overgrown > > There is only one natural harbor on the east side of Garden Island. It?s > pretty well protected; but the bottom is gravel and the holding is poor. > If you are staying overnight, consider putting out 2 anchors. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 10, 2020, at 9:45 AM, Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > ?Roger, thanks for sharing about your son Daniel's eagle scout project. > > That sounds like another great adventure! If we make it to Garden Island > > on our trip next June, I'll be sure to take some photos of the trails > since > > that may bring back some good memories. > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > >> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 7:03 AM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > >> > >> Hi Jesse, > >> > >> There is actually another chapter to the Garden Island Cruise. My older > >> son, Daniel, was looking around for an Eagle Service Project when we > >> visited Garden Island. He decided he would try to do some trail > >> improvements on the deserted island. This was a pretty ambitious > project > >> considering Garden Island is ~35 miles offshore in the middle of > northern > >> Lake Michigan! I didn?t think about it anymore until, one day at > work, I > >> got a telephone call from the Commander of the US Coast Guard Station, > >> Charlevoix, MI. He asked me if I knew a Boy Scout named Daniel > Pihlaja. I > >> thought, ?Oh No, what does the US Coast Guard want with Daniel?!?? The > >> Commander told me they had discussed Daniel?s potential Eagle Service > >> Project, that he was very impressed with Daniel?s enthusiasm and > >> salesmanship, and was just trying to confirm if this kid was for real or > >> not before committing US Coast Guard resources. Anyway, we ended up > doing > >> the trail improvement project as our Troop?s High Adventure Backcountry > >> Camping Trip the following summer. The US Coast Guard transported us > and > >> our gear from Charlevoix to Garden Island aboard one of their cutters. > >> This was done at taxpayer expense as a ?training exercise?. The US > Coast > >> Guard dropped us off, sailed away, and picked us up four days later. It > >> was a very lonely feeling watching the ship sail away when you are on an > >> uninhabited island in the middle of Lake Michigan! Besides the US Coast > >> Guard, Daniel also had to obtain permission from the Michigan DNR and > the > >> Chippewa Indian Tribe to do this project. All the permits from these > >> various burocracies took several months to obtain and I was impressed > with > >> Daniel?s patience and persistence as he successfully jumped thru every > >> hoop. The MDNR had a very specific design for trail signs that we had > to > >> follow. We prefabricated the trail signs over the winter. The Chippewa > >> Indian Tribe?s primary concern was that the sanctity and dignity of > their > >> ancient burial ground be preserved. They asked that none of the trail > maps > >> show the location of the burial ground. They also had us put up a sign > at > >> the entrance explaining it was holy ground and what was expected of > >> visitors. We had two base camps, one on the north and the other on the > >> south end of the island. Each day, after breakfast, we broke up into > work > >> parties and installed our assigned trail signs. We were usually done by > >> early afternoon and the rest of the day was spent swimming and > exploring. > >> After two days, we moved our base camp to a location more convenient to > >> install the trail signs on the other end of the island. It was actually > >> quite a relaxing trip. > >> > >> Sent from Mail for > >> Windows 10 > >> > >> From: Jesse Shumaker > >> Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 5:39 PM > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] August, 2006 High Adventure Kayaking Trip > To > >> The Apostle Islands > >> > >> Roger, thanks for sharing the PDF of your 2006 adventure in the Apostle > >> Islands. When I was doing a brief review of Peter's new draft of the > >> website last week, I stumbled on the account of your trip from > >> Charlevoix to Beaver Island and Garden Island in Northern Michigan. > That > >> is quite an ambitious trip for a 22' boat! After spending time > exploring > >> Grand Traverse Bay a couple of weeks ago, my wife and I are planning > >> (weather permitting) to make the trek from Charlevoix to Beaver Island > in a > >> bigger boat that we'll be chartering with another couple in late June > next > >> year. > >> > >> Jesse Shumaker > >> S/V Zephyr > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 6:15 AM ROGER PIHLAJA > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi All, > >>> > >>> I keep forgetting that the Rhodes List server strips out MS Word > >>> documents. The attached .pdf file is the day-by-day summary of the > trip > >>> mentioned below. > >>> > >>> Roger Pihlaja > >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >>> > >>> Sent from Mail for > >>> Windows 10 > >>> > >>> From: ROGER PIHLAJA > >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 6:18 PM > >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] August, 2006 High Adventure Kayaking Trip To > The > >>> Apostle Islands > >>> > >>> From: ROGER PIHLAJA > >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 6:15 PM > >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >>> Subject: August, 2006 High Adventure Kayaking Trip To The Apostle > Islands > >>> > >>> Hi All, > >>> > >>> I finally found the files for the sea kayaking trip that Daniel, Gary, > >>> Patrick Aldrich, and I took to the Apostle Islands on August 25-28, > 2006. > >>> Patrick Aldrich was one of Daniel?s friends from Boy Scouts. The > >> attached > >>> MS Word file is a day-by-day summary of the trip with an annotated > chart > >>> showing our travels. The rest of the attached files are photos. The > >> thing > >>> about the sea caves that surprised me the most was how colorful they > were > >>> inside. > >>> > >>> Roger Pihlaja > >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >>> > >>> [cid:image005.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 > ][cid:image029.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30] > >>> [cid:image034.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30] > >>> [cid:image036.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 > ][cid:image038.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 > >>> ][cid:image040.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 > ][cid:image042.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 > >>> ][cid:image044.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 > ][cid:image045.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 > >>> ][cid:image046.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 > ][cid:image047.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 > >>> ][cid:image048.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 > ][cid:image049.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 > >>> ][cid:image050.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 > ][cid:image051.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 > >>> ][cid:image052.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 > ][cid:image053.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30 > >>> ][cid:image054.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30] > >>> > >>> Sent from Mail for > >>> Windows 10 > >>> > >>> From: ROGER PIHLAJA > >>> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 6:18 PM > >>> To: Bill Woodgate; Gary Pihlaja >>> gjpihlaja at gmail.com>; Mr. Daniel Pihlaja > >>> Subject: Proposed Summer of 2021 High Adventure Sailing/Kayaking Trip > To > >>> The Apostle Islands > >>> > >>> Hi All, > >>> > >>> I?ve tried to imagine in a little more detail what a High Adventure > Trip > >>> in the Apostle Islands with S/V Dynamic Equilibrium and the kayaks > might > >>> look like. The attached MS PowerPoint file gives an overview of the > >> float > >>> plan. We would probably want to do this trip in mid August, 2021 to > give > >>> Lake Superior as much time as possible to warm up. Each day?s course > on > >>> the mother ship is shown in a different color and paddling trips are > >> shown > >>> in red. These are going to be several very rich full days in a row; > but, > >>> still doable. > >>> > >>> Proposed Itinerary: > >>> > >>> Day Description > >>> > >>> 1 Drive to Little Sand Bay Visitor Center & set up camp at > >>> Little Sand Bay CG > >>> > >>> 2 Morning day trip paddle to Squaw Bay Sea Caves, Lunch at > >>> camp, Rig & launch sailboat, Sail out to Sand Island, Camp on Sand > Island > >>> NOTE: The day trip paddle could be switched to the last day to > >> accommodate > >>> weather > >>> > >>> 3 Hike to Sand Island Lighthouse, Day trip paddle to > Justice > >>> Bay Sea Caves, Sail to Devil?s Island, Day trip paddle to Devil?s > Island > >>> Sea Caves, Sail to Rocky Island, Camp at Rocky Island CG > >>> > >>> 4 Sail to Manitou Island, Tour Manitou Island Fish Camp, > Sail > >>> To Stockton Island via east coast & decide if sea caves and balancing > >> rock > >>> are worth a day trip paddle, moor at Stockton Island Dock 1, tour > >> Stockton > >>> Island Visitor Center, Camp at Stockton Island CG > >>> > >>> 5 Sail back to Little Sand Bay Visitor Center, retrieve and > >>> unrig boat, camp at Little Sand Bay CG > >>> > >>> 6 Drive home > >>> > >>> This float plan will let visit all the major sea caves, sea arches, sea > >>> stacks, and other major attractions in the Apostle Islands archipelago. > >>> Devil?s Island is the northern most island in the archipelago. The > dock > >> at > >>> Rocky Island is one of the most protected docks, especially in the > outer > >>> islands. We could hunker down here to allow bad weather to pass by if > we > >>> had to. The dock at Stockton Island is also relatively well protected, > >>> except from the south and southwest. 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application/pdf > >>> Size: 447823 bytes > >>> Desc: Sea Kayaking In Apostle Islands National Park.pdf > >>> URL: < > >>> > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200930/38c0e473/attachment.pdf > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Sat Oct 17 20:40:39 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 19:40:39 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Website version 2.1 In-Reply-To: <654B776E-1F47-42D0-A64D-6FEB698854CB@sunnybeeches.com> References: <654B776E-1F47-42D0-A64D-6FEB698854CB@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Great job Peter! Thanks so much for your work on the website and all the videos. On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 2:59 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > So, version 1.0 is what you?ll find at rhodes22.org > right now. Version 2.0 was my first attempt at a new website a few weeks > ago. I developed this with the desktop in mind, giving little > consideration to how it would function on the smaller screens of tablets > and phones. It quickly became apparent that this approach was a big > mistake. So, I went back to the drawing board, and have now completed > initial development of version 2.1. As with v2.0, I?ve put the new site up > at http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/ > for review. > > Very little of the actual content of the site has changed between versions > 2.0 and 2.1. It?s all about format and responsiveness to different screen > sizes. > > I needed help to pull this off, so the first thing I did was to look for a > website development framework that would do much of the heavy lifting. > After a bit of research, I decided to use the W3.CSS framework. It has a > reputation of being able to do the job, while being relatively easy to > learn. Also, it?s entirely free, and requires no server-side installation > other than a text .css file. > > I have tested the new website on my iPad and iPhone as well as Safari and > Firefox on my Mac desktop. I will admit that there are some pages that > don?t really look all that great on my phone, but it is usable. Others will > have to have a look with other operating systems, devices, and browser, and > report on their experiences. > > Thanks for your patience during this process. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Sat Oct 17 20:47:03 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 19:47:03 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] rudder position when leaving the boat in the slip Message-ID: This season I had a slip and left the rudder in the lowered position for convenience since that is one less thing to adjust in the start / end of sail sequence. Due to the accumulated grime/slime of our muddy lake (made worse by dredging this year) it took a bit of leverage to pull up the rudder when it came time to take the boat out. I cleaned off the rudder like I did with the bottom of the boat. I see some boats in the slips with kick-up rudders that leave them down, and others that leave them up. I use a shock cord to secure tiller to the aft cleat on the port side and with the rudder down that seems quite secure. Leaving the rudder up would result in more windage and more force on the tiller due to the leverage of having the weight extended. Just curious to hear from others who keep their boats in slips: do you leave the rudder up or down when the boat is docked at the slip? Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr From rweiss at siu.edu Sat Oct 17 20:53:23 2020 From: rweiss at siu.edu (Weiss, Robert L) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 00:53:23 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] rudder position when leaving the boat in the slip In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I leave my rudder up but my marina might be better protected than others. Also, lake water might be less toxic than other locations. Robert L. Weiss Jr. Director of Music First United Methodist Carbondale IL Professor Emeritus, SIUC ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Jesse Shumaker Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2020 7:47:03 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] rudder position when leaving the boat in the slip [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments. This season I had a slip and left the rudder in the lowered position for convenience since that is one less thing to adjust in the start / end of sail sequence. Due to the accumulated grime/slime of our muddy lake (made worse by dredging this year) it took a bit of leverage to pull up the rudder when it came time to take the boat out. I cleaned off the rudder like I did with the bottom of the boat. I see some boats in the slips with kick-up rudders that leave them down, and others that leave them up. I use a shock cord to secure tiller to the aft cleat on the port side and with the rudder down that seems quite secure. Leaving the rudder up would result in more windage and more force on the tiller due to the leverage of having the weight extended. Just curious to hear from others who keep their boats in slips: do you leave the rudder up or down when the boat is docked at the slip? Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Sat Oct 17 21:00:03 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 20:00:03 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] extra jacks at rear of trailer for support Message-ID: After my first road trip with the R22, I decided to replace the two tongue jacks (a primary and backup) up front since neither would turn well. I went for a more robust double wheel tongue jack up front and it works well. I moved the old tongue jacks to the rear of the trailer so I can fold those down to form a tripod along with the jack on the front. With some chocks on the wheels, the boat is then a very stable platform on the land and you don't have to worry about the bow tipping up due to excessive weight in the rear if you have someone helping out with projects in the cockpit. I think Roger used jacks that were welded to his trailer and those don't have wheels since they are just for stability. If you ever have to upgrade your tongue jack this is a simple way to reuse the old one and get some additional stability without having to tackle welding. Here's a picture of my boat with the jacks deployed. I should have taken a photo after I cleaned the boat, but instead you get this photo. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: UsingExtraTongueJacksAtRearOfTrailer.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 334291 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Sat Oct 17 21:14:24 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 20:14:24 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] extra jacks at rear of trailer for support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looks good jesse. I too use a pair of jack stands when parking the trailer to stabilize . As far back on the main rails. As can be. I will ubolt some extra stands on the rear next year, for ease of climbing around during "on the hard". It's critical they fold up for launching/retrieving. But on the hard the extra points to stabilize are key. On Sat, Oct 17, 2020, 8:00 PM Jesse Shumaker wrote: > After my first road trip with the R22, I decided to replace the two tongue > jacks (a primary and backup) up front since neither would turn well. I > went for a more robust double wheel tongue jack up front and it works > well. I moved the old tongue jacks to the rear of the trailer so I can > fold those down to form a tripod along with the jack on the front. With > some chocks on the wheels, the boat is then a very stable platform on the > land and you don't have to worry about the bow tipping up due to excessive > weight in the rear if you have someone helping out with projects in the > cockpit. I think Roger used jacks that were welded to his trailer and > those don't have wheels since they are just for stability. If you ever > have to upgrade your tongue jack this is a simple way to reuse the old one > and get some additional stability without having to tackle welding. Here's > a picture of my boat with the jacks deployed. I should have taken a photo > after I cleaned the boat, but instead you get this photo. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: UsingExtraTongueJacksAtRearOfTrailer.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 334291 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201017/35d656f9/attachment.jpe > > > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Sat Oct 17 21:28:48 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 21:28:48 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bluetooth depth finder for Navionics In-Reply-To: References: <8992F331-63F7-489B-8D6B-FD2AE3C0A97A@adsne.com> <6A6FCA8F-4B9D-4AEE-BC1F-AE37540AB1E0@adsne.com> Message-ID: FWIW, my approach on this was to use a NMEA 0183 multiplexer. My VHF radio also has GPS and AIS. I have a thru-hull transducer that has depth, speed, and temperature. Both of these speak NMEA 0183. They are connected by wire to a multiplexer that my iPad will connect to via WIFI. My chart plotter app (SEAiq) supports integrating all of this data into its display over the WIFI connection. (I know INavX also supports this.). Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) From daysails at aol.com Sun Oct 18 10:41:07 2020 From: daysails at aol.com (daysails at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 14:41:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] extra jacks at rear of trailer for support In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1917522580.502498.1603032067580@mail.yahoo.com> Good suggestion Jesse.? It would not only provide stability it would prevent what happened to my Rhodes 22 during a particularly wet fall a few years ago. The boat was on the trailer.? ? Leaves clogged up the drains in the cockpit and the weight of the collected rain water lifted the tongue up.? The pool of collected rain water drowned the motor for the outboard lift.system.? It was in this tilted position for a couple of weeks.? I had to replace the lift motor.?? Joe Riley S/V Second Wind (Lake Hartwell) SC -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Shumaker To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Sent: Sat, Oct 17, 2020 9:00 pm Subject: [Rhodes22-list] extra jacks at rear of trailer for support After my first road trip with the R22, I decided to replace the two tongue jacks (a primary and backup) up front since neither would turn well.? I went for a more robust double wheel tongue jack up front and it works well.? I moved the old tongue jacks to the rear of the trailer so I can fold those down to form a tripod along with the jack on the front.? With some chocks on the wheels, the boat is then a very stable platform on the land and you don't have to worry about the bow tipping up due to excessive weight in the rear if you have someone helping out with projects in the cockpit.? I think Roger used jacks that were welded to his trailer and those don't have wheels since they are just for stability.? If you ever have to upgrade your tongue jack this is a simple way to reuse the old one and get some additional stability without having to tackle welding.? Here's a picture of my boat with the jacks deployed.? I should have taken a photo after I cleaned the boat, but instead you get this photo. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: UsingExtraTongueJacksAtRearOfTrailer.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 334291 bytes Desc: not available URL: From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Sun Oct 18 10:42:04 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 10:42:04 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Our builder In-Reply-To: References: <753bb539-91cb-050c-7e91-e110d489c1d0@generalboats.com> Message-ID: Yes Tom, Let's keep the politics out. Thanks for the reminder. Chris Geankoplis Enosis On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 8:16 PM Tom Van Heule < tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > Please let's keep this a bipartisan group. Love the r22. > > I don't, we don't, you don't, need to know/care who's voting which way. > > This being said, this boat is amazing! I love how easy it is to sail. I > love it takes 20knts while also being easy to keep up with! > > See you all, in lake michigan, soon! > Tom > > On Sat, Oct 17, 2020, 4:48 PM stan wrote: > > > > > Chris, As a political junkie student of our great leader I would say, > > being a midge disingenuous: "It was, until it wasn't". > > > > On 10/17/20 9:37 AM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: > > > Michael, > > > Oh that is a good one. And in the spirit of the election. "Mr. > > > President, (of GB) how do you respond to this?" > > > Chris G > > > Enosis > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 9:33 AM Michael Weisner > > wrote: > > > > > >> Stan,I thought that this was "the old one" ;-) > > >> Mikes/v Wind Lass ('91)Nissequogue River, NY > > >> -------- Original message --------From: stan > > >> Date: 10/17/20 6:12 AM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List < > > >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Our builder > * > > >> OF COURSE THIS IS THE OLD ONE *On 10/16/20 5:43 PM, Joe > > Dempsey > > >> wrote:> < > > >> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Outhaul_Car_New.jpg > > >>>>> > > >> -----> Joe Dempsey> s/v Respite> Rhodes 22 1989/2005> Deltaville,VA> > --> > > >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/> > > >> -------------- next part -------------- > > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > >> Name: Stan Spitzer on Monday Annapolis 2013.jpg > > >> Type: image/jpeg > > >> Size: 83142 bytes > > >> Desc: not available > > >> URL: < > > >> > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201017/28911757/attachment.jpg > > > > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Sun Oct 18 10:48:46 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 10:48:46 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] rudder position when leaving the boat in the slip In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Jesse, For the last 45 years I have left it up. I usually cant it over to port (rudder) and it rest on the tilted motor secured with a bungie. There are a few occasions when due to the proximity of a dock or obstruction directly aft I must leave it down, but almost always it is up. The forces of wind on the rudder are much less than the forces of the waves and water acting on the rudder, hence my choice. Chris G Enosis On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 8:47 PM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > This season I had a slip and left the rudder in the lowered position for > convenience since that is one less thing to adjust in the start / end of > sail sequence. Due to the accumulated grime/slime of our muddy lake (made > worse by dredging this year) it took a bit of leverage to pull up the > rudder when it came time to take the boat out. I cleaned off the rudder > like I did with the bottom of the boat. I see some boats in the slips with > kick-up rudders that leave them down, and others that leave them up. I use > a shock cord to secure tiller to the aft cleat on the port side and with > the rudder down that seems quite secure. Leaving the rudder up would > result in more windage and more force on the tiller due to the leverage of > having the weight extended. Just curious to hear from others who keep > their boats in slips: do you leave the rudder up or down when the boat is > docked at the slip? > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Sun Oct 18 10:49:35 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 09:49:35 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sailing in Grand Traverse Bay in Michigan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I put together a recap and some highlight photos of our sailing trip in Grand Traverse Bay at the link below. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-XPDLxAJcuzvKa_3MJ7rwJ9JBhtzb8L_/view I included links in that document to resources for anyone that might want to plan a trip in the area. After reading the accounts of the adventures of others on this list, it inspired me to capture and share my trips. Even if it's just me who looks at this in the future, I'll have something to look back on later and relive the trip on cold winter days :) This trip was on a charter boat, but this area can be sailed by a R22 as well. If you make it to the end of the document, a R22 does make an appearance. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 6:05 PM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > My wife and I had sailing plans out west, but that has been rescheduled > due to the wildfires and resulting air quality. I really feel bad for > everyone affected by that on top of everything else delivered by this crazy > year of 2020. > > We swiftly changed plans and will be chartering a sailboat out of Traverse > City, Michigan > later this month. We're actually going to be up there again in the middle > of next summer. We have some family nearby that will be joining us on > board for part of the trip. For this round we plan on spending most of the > time within Grand Traverse Bay and going as far North as Charlevoix or > possibly Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay. Next summer we would like to > make it over to Beaver Island if weather permits. > > For the first day, we're going to hire a captain and practice docking and > other boat handling since this will be a bigger boat for us. We had to go > with what was available on short notice but end of season discounts help. > It has IMF so it will be interesting to try that on a bigger boat. > > Tentative plan: > Thursday 9/24 1 Captain - spend the night at Elmwood Marina in Traverse > City > Friday 9/25 2 Power Island & Sutton's Bay > Saturday 9/26 3 Northport / Old Mission Bay > Sunday 9/27 4 Charleviox / Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay > Monday 9/28 5 Omena Bay / Ingalls Bay > Tuesday 9/29 6 Elk Rapids / Old Mission > Wednesday 9/30 7 Return to Traverse City > > Would anyone on the list happen to be familiar with the area and have any > recommendations? > > Thanks, > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Sun Oct 18 10:50:54 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 09:50:54 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] rudder position when leaving the boat in the slip In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chris, good insight regarding the wind vs. waves forces. Thanks, Jesse S/V Zephyr On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 9:48 AM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > Hey Jesse, > For the last 45 years I have left it up. I usually > cant it over to port (rudder) and it rest on the tilted motor secured with > a bungie. There are a few occasions when due to the proximity of a dock or > obstruction directly aft I must leave it down, but almost always it is up. > The forces of wind on the rudder are much less than the forces of the waves > and water acting on the rudder, hence my choice. > > Chris G > Enosis > > On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 8:47 PM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > This season I had a slip and left the rudder in the lowered position for > > convenience since that is one less thing to adjust in the start / end of > > sail sequence. Due to the accumulated grime/slime of our muddy lake > (made > > worse by dredging this year) it took a bit of leverage to pull up the > > rudder when it came time to take the boat out. I cleaned off the rudder > > like I did with the bottom of the boat. I see some boats in the slips > with > > kick-up rudders that leave them down, and others that leave them up. I > use > > a shock cord to secure tiller to the aft cleat on the port side and with > > the rudder down that seems quite secure. Leaving the rudder up would > > result in more windage and more force on the tiller due to the leverage > of > > having the weight extended. Just curious to hear from others who keep > > their boats in slips: do you leave the rudder up or down when the boat is > > docked at the slip? > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > From daysails at aol.com Sun Oct 18 10:55:05 2020 From: daysails at aol.com (daysails at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 14:55:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] rudder position when leaving the boat in the slip In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55707442.506311.1603032905209@mail.yahoo.com> I have left my rudder in the down position ever since I put it in the slip over 6 years ago. I am in a fresh water lake.? Any growth is easy to clean off.? No problems after years of doing this.?? Joe Riley S/V Second Wind Lake Hartwell SC -----Original Message----- From: Weiss, Robert L To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Sent: Sat, Oct 17, 2020 8:53 pm Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] rudder position when leaving the boat in the slip I leave my rudder up but my marina might be better protected than others. Also, lake water might be less toxic than other locations. Robert L. Weiss Jr. Director of Music First United Methodist Carbondale IL Professor Emeritus, SIUC ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Jesse Shumaker Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2020 7:47:03 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] rudder position when leaving the boat in the slip [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments. This season I had a slip and left the rudder in the lowered position for convenience since that is one less thing to adjust in the start / end of sail sequence...... Just curious to hear from others who keep their boats in slips: do you leave the rudder up or down when the boat is docked at the slip? Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com Sun Oct 18 13:26:50 2020 From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 10:26:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Leech and foot line adjustment Message-ID: <1603042010849-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Hello, I?ve spent hours and days looking through the archives for tidbits of info to help a novice sailor like me to know my boat better and hints on sailing techniques which I copy and paste into folders on my iPad. I had someone at my sailing club point out something on my sails which I didn?t even know existed nor had I seen discussed in the archives. My Genoa has a leech line and a foot line which can be adjusted. My furling main has a leech line. How are these used and adjusted? The person who pointed out this feature to me said it looked while sailing like my Genoa was cupped on the leech and I needed to loosen the leech line..does this sound right? Thanks, George Morgan S/V Knotty Lady 1986 -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Sun Oct 18 14:00:30 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 14:00:30 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sailing in Grand Traverse Bay in Michigan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh Jesse, That was a great presentation! Love the story and the format. The pictures were excellent and speak volume about sailing in the area. Could be it could be a summer destination for us and others on the list. Thanks! Chris G Enosis On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 10:49 AM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > I put together a recap and some highlight photos of our sailing trip in > Grand Traverse Bay at the link below. > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-XPDLxAJcuzvKa_3MJ7rwJ9JBhtzb8L_/view > > I included links in that document to resources for anyone that might want > to plan a trip in the area. After reading the accounts of the adventures > of others on this list, it inspired me to capture and share my trips. Even > if it's just me who looks at this in the future, I'll have something to > look back on later and relive the trip on cold winter days :) > > This trip was on a charter boat, but this area can be sailed by a R22 as > well. If you make it to the end of the document, a R22 does make an > appearance. > > < > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-XPDLxAJcuzvKa_3MJ7rwJ9JBhtzb8L_/view?usp=sharing > > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > > On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 6:05 PM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > My wife and I had sailing plans out west, but that has been rescheduled > > due to the wildfires and resulting air quality. I really feel bad for > > everyone affected by that on top of everything else delivered by this > crazy > > year of 2020. > > > > We swiftly changed plans and will be chartering a sailboat out of > Traverse > > City, Michigan > > later this month. We're actually going to be up there again in the > middle > > of next summer. We have some family nearby that will be joining us on > > board for part of the trip. For this round we plan on spending most of > the > > time within Grand Traverse Bay and going as far North as Charlevoix or > > possibly Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay. Next summer we would like > to > > make it over to Beaver Island if weather permits. > > > > For the first day, we're going to hire a captain and practice docking and > > other boat handling since this will be a bigger boat for us. We had to > go > > with what was available on short notice but end of season discounts help. > > It has IMF so it will be interesting to try that on a bigger boat. > > > > Tentative plan: > > Thursday 9/24 1 Captain - spend the night at Elmwood Marina in Traverse > > City > > Friday 9/25 2 Power Island & Sutton's Bay > > Saturday 9/26 3 Northport / Old Mission Bay > > Sunday 9/27 4 Charleviox / Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay > > Monday 9/28 5 Omena Bay / Ingalls Bay > > Tuesday 9/29 6 Elk Rapids / Old Mission > > Wednesday 9/30 7 Return to Traverse City > > > > Would anyone on the list happen to be familiar with the area and have any > > recommendations? > > > > Thanks, > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Sun Oct 18 14:23:47 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 13:23:47 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sailing in Grand Traverse Bay in Michigan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Chris! My trips are still relatively mild but reading travelogues like yours gives me so many ideas for big adventures down the road! On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 1:00 PM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > Oh Jesse, > That was a great presentation! Love the story and the > format. The pictures were excellent and speak volume about sailing in the > area. Could be it could be a summer destination for us and others on the > list. Thanks! > > Chris G > Enosis > > On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 10:49 AM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > I put together a recap and some highlight photos of our sailing trip in > > Grand Traverse Bay at the link below. > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-XPDLxAJcuzvKa_3MJ7rwJ9JBhtzb8L_/view > > > > I included links in that document to resources for anyone that might want > > to plan a trip in the area. After reading the accounts of the adventures > > of others on this list, it inspired me to capture and share my trips. > Even > > if it's just me who looks at this in the future, I'll have something to > > look back on later and relive the trip on cold winter days :) > > > > This trip was on a charter boat, but this area can be sailed by a R22 as > > well. If you make it to the end of the document, a R22 does make an > > appearance. > > > > < > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-XPDLxAJcuzvKa_3MJ7rwJ9JBhtzb8L_/view?usp=sharing > > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 6:05 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > My wife and I had sailing plans out west, but that has been rescheduled > > > due to the wildfires and resulting air quality. I really feel bad for > > > everyone affected by that on top of everything else delivered by this > > crazy > > > year of 2020. > > > > > > We swiftly changed plans and will be chartering a sailboat out of > > Traverse > > > City, Michigan > > > later this month. We're actually going to be up there again in the > > middle > > > of next summer. We have some family nearby that will be joining us on > > > board for part of the trip. For this round we plan on spending most of > > the > > > time within Grand Traverse Bay and going as far North as Charlevoix or > > > possibly Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay. Next summer we would > like > > to > > > make it over to Beaver Island if weather permits. > > > > > > For the first day, we're going to hire a captain and practice docking > and > > > other boat handling since this will be a bigger boat for us. We had to > > go > > > with what was available on short notice but end of season discounts > help. > > > It has IMF so it will be interesting to try that on a bigger boat. > > > > > > Tentative plan: > > > Thursday 9/24 1 Captain - spend the night at Elmwood Marina in > Traverse > > > City > > > Friday 9/25 2 Power Island & Sutton's Bay > > > Saturday 9/26 3 Northport / Old Mission Bay > > > Sunday 9/27 4 Charleviox / Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay > > > Monday 9/28 5 Omena Bay / Ingalls Bay > > > Tuesday 9/29 6 Elk Rapids / Old Mission > > > Wednesday 9/30 7 Return to Traverse City > > > > > > Would anyone on the list happen to be familiar with the area and have > any > > > recommendations? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Sun Oct 18 15:16:03 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 15:16:03 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sailing in Grand Traverse Bay in Michigan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It isn't the size of the trip but, but the joy it brings the traveler. Just like our boats. I really tink I enjoy my time on the 22' Rhodes as much or more than on the 38' Catalina in the Bahamas. Yup definitely love the little Rhodes. Chris G Enosis On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 2:23 PM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks Chris! My trips are still relatively mild but reading travelogues > like yours gives me so many ideas for big adventures down the road! > > On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 1:00 PM Chris Geankoplis < > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Oh Jesse, > > That was a great presentation! Love the story and the > > format. The pictures were excellent and speak volume about sailing in > the > > area. Could be it could be a summer destination for us and others on the > > list. Thanks! > > > > Chris G > > Enosis > > > > On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 10:49 AM Jesse Shumaker < > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I put together a recap and some highlight photos of our sailing trip in > > > Grand Traverse Bay at the link below. > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-XPDLxAJcuzvKa_3MJ7rwJ9JBhtzb8L_/view > > > > > > I included links in that document to resources for anyone that might > want > > > to plan a trip in the area. After reading the accounts of the > adventures > > > of others on this list, it inspired me to capture and share my trips. > > Even > > > if it's just me who looks at this in the future, I'll have something to > > > look back on later and relive the trip on cold winter days :) > > > > > > This trip was on a charter boat, but this area can be sailed by a R22 > as > > > well. If you make it to the end of the document, a R22 does make an > > > appearance. > > > > > > < > > > > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-XPDLxAJcuzvKa_3MJ7rwJ9JBhtzb8L_/view?usp=sharing > > > > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 6:05 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > My wife and I had sailing plans out west, but that has been > rescheduled > > > > due to the wildfires and resulting air quality. I really feel bad > for > > > > everyone affected by that on top of everything else delivered by this > > > crazy > > > > year of 2020. > > > > > > > > We swiftly changed plans and will be chartering a sailboat out of > > > Traverse > > > > City, Michigan > > > > later this month. We're actually going to be up there again in the > > > middle > > > > of next summer. We have some family nearby that will be joining us > on > > > > board for part of the trip. For this round we plan on spending most > of > > > the > > > > time within Grand Traverse Bay and going as far North as Charlevoix > or > > > > possibly Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay. Next summer we would > > like > > > to > > > > make it over to Beaver Island if weather permits. > > > > > > > > For the first day, we're going to hire a captain and practice docking > > and > > > > other boat handling since this will be a bigger boat for us. We had > to > > > go > > > > with what was available on short notice but end of season discounts > > help. > > > > It has IMF so it will be interesting to try that on a bigger boat. > > > > > > > > Tentative plan: > > > > Thursday 9/24 1 Captain - spend the night at Elmwood Marina in > > Traverse > > > > City > > > > Friday 9/25 2 Power Island & Sutton's Bay > > > > Saturday 9/26 3 Northport / Old Mission Bay > > > > Sunday 9/27 4 Charleviox / Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay > > > > Monday 9/28 5 Omena Bay / Ingalls Bay > > > > Tuesday 9/29 6 Elk Rapids / Old Mission > > > > Wednesday 9/30 7 Return to Traverse City > > > > > > > > Would anyone on the list happen to be familiar with the area and have > > any > > > > recommendations? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > > > > > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Sun Oct 18 17:50:08 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 21:50:08 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sailing in Grand Traverse Bay in Michigan In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Hi Jesse, I?ve never sailed on Grand Traverse Bay; but, have visited all the ports of call in your story from land. Did you make use of the Michigan Harbor of Refuge system? I?m just getting back from a weekend camping trip with my Boy Scout troop. We camped at Trinity Lutheran Church Camp on what used to be Wixom Lake. As a member of Trinity Lutheran Church, I have access to the camp. We had access to the lodge to use the bathrooms. But, otherwise we stayed outside. Friday night, we got sleet. Saturday morning, the zipper on my tent was frozen! Fortunately, a little pulling and working the zipper back and forth freed it up. Saturday night was much warmer, it only got down to about 40 deg F. We have several crossover Webelos and this was their first camping trip. Everyone seemed to be prepared for the conditions and stayed warm. I was very proud of them. We did a lot of Tenderfoot and Second Class Scout rank advancement stuff. After the older Scouts finished their basic classes in knife and axe use and campfire building, I took over and instructed them all in building a fire with soaking wet firewood. I showed them how to find dry wood even though it had rained/sleeted the night before. I showed them how to use the hatchet to cut into the dry heart wood on a piece of wet wood and chip off slivers of dry tinder and kindling. Then, we had the new Scouts build a campfire with this wet wood. Even my senior Scouts were impressed with how easy it was to get a fire going in these conditions. I think they all learned a useful life skill. Now, I?m back home and all my camping gear is drying in the basement. Life is good! Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 18, 2020, at 10:49 AM, Jesse Shumaker wrote: > > ?I put together a recap and some highlight photos of our sailing trip in > Grand Traverse Bay at the link below. > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-XPDLxAJcuzvKa_3MJ7rwJ9JBhtzb8L_/view > > I included links in that document to resources for anyone that might want > to plan a trip in the area. After reading the accounts of the adventures > of others on this list, it inspired me to capture and share my trips. Even > if it's just me who looks at this in the future, I'll have something to > look back on later and relive the trip on cold winter days :) > > This trip was on a charter boat, but this area can be sailed by a R22 as > well. If you make it to the end of the document, a R22 does make an > appearance. > > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > >> On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 6:05 PM Jesse Shumaker < >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> My wife and I had sailing plans out west, but that has been rescheduled >> due to the wildfires and resulting air quality. I really feel bad for >> everyone affected by that on top of everything else delivered by this crazy >> year of 2020. >> >> We swiftly changed plans and will be chartering a sailboat out of Traverse >> City, Michigan >> later this month. We're actually going to be up there again in the middle >> of next summer. We have some family nearby that will be joining us on >> board for part of the trip. For this round we plan on spending most of the >> time within Grand Traverse Bay and going as far North as Charlevoix or >> possibly Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay. Next summer we would like to >> make it over to Beaver Island if weather permits. >> >> For the first day, we're going to hire a captain and practice docking and >> other boat handling since this will be a bigger boat for us. We had to go >> with what was available on short notice but end of season discounts help. >> It has IMF so it will be interesting to try that on a bigger boat. >> >> Tentative plan: >> Thursday 9/24 1 Captain - spend the night at Elmwood Marina in Traverse >> City >> Friday 9/25 2 Power Island & Sutton's Bay >> Saturday 9/26 3 Northport / Old Mission Bay >> Sunday 9/27 4 Charleviox / Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay >> Monday 9/28 5 Omena Bay / Ingalls Bay >> Tuesday 9/29 6 Elk Rapids / Old Mission >> Wednesday 9/30 7 Return to Traverse City >> >> Would anyone on the list happen to be familiar with the area and have any >> recommendations? >> >> Thanks, >> Jesse Shumaker >> S/V Zephyr >> From bobfcohen at gmail.com Sun Oct 18 19:36:58 2020 From: bobfcohen at gmail.com (bobfcohen at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 19:36:58 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sailing in Grand Traverse Bay in Michigan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <025401d6a5a7$92da2660$b88e7320$@gmail.com> Thanks for the presentation, Jesse. Thank you again for helping us drop our mast. And happy 40th birthday. If anyone on the list takes Chris's suggestion and comes up to Northern Michigan next summer, we will be happy to make them welcome, either in Traverse City or on Portage Lake (about an hour south of Traverse City). Bob Cohen and Kathy Abate Silver Bay -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Chris Geankoplis Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 2:01 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] sailing in Grand Traverse Bay in Michigan Oh Jesse, That was a great presentation! Love the story and the format. The pictures were excellent and speak volume about sailing in the area. Could be it could be a summer destination for us and others on the list. Thanks! Chris G Enosis On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 10:49 AM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > I put together a recap and some highlight photos of our sailing trip > in Grand Traverse Bay at the link below. > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-XPDLxAJcuzvKa_3MJ7rwJ9JBhtzb8L_/view > > I included links in that document to resources for anyone that might > want to plan a trip in the area. After reading the accounts of the > adventures of others on this list, it inspired me to capture and share > my trips. Even if it's just me who looks at this in the future, I'll > have something to look back on later and relive the trip on cold > winter days :) > > This trip was on a charter boat, but this area can be sailed by a R22 > as well. If you make it to the end of the document, a R22 does make > an appearance. > > < > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-XPDLxAJcuzvKa_3MJ7rwJ9JBhtzb8L_/view > ?usp=sharing > > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > > On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 6:05 PM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > My wife and I had sailing plans out west, but that has been > > rescheduled due to the wildfires and resulting air quality. I > > really feel bad for everyone affected by that on top of everything > > else delivered by this > crazy > > year of 2020. > > > > We swiftly changed plans and will be chartering a sailboat out of > Traverse > > City, Michigan > > later this month. We're actually going to be up there again in the > middle > > of next summer. We have some family nearby that will be joining us > > on board for part of the trip. For this round we plan on spending > > most of > the > > time within Grand Traverse Bay and going as far North as Charlevoix > > or possibly Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay. Next summer we > > would like > to > > make it over to Beaver Island if weather permits. > > > > For the first day, we're going to hire a captain and practice > > docking and other boat handling since this will be a bigger boat for > > us. We had to > go > > with what was available on short notice but end of season discounts help. > > It has IMF so it will be interesting to try that on a bigger boat. > > > > Tentative plan: > > Thursday 9/24 1 Captain - spend the night at Elmwood Marina in > > Traverse City > > Friday 9/25 2 Power Island & Sutton's Bay > > Saturday 9/26 3 Northport / Old Mission Bay > > Sunday 9/27 4 Charleviox / Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay > > Monday 9/28 5 Omena Bay / Ingalls Bay > > Tuesday 9/29 6 Elk Rapids / Old Mission > > Wednesday 9/30 7 Return to Traverse City > > > > Would anyone on the list happen to be familiar with the area and > > have any recommendations? > > > > Thanks, > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Sun Oct 18 20:35:41 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 19:35:41 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sailing in Grand Traverse Bay in Michigan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Roger, good to hear about the enjoyable fall camping trip. As we're heading into this time of the year, enjoyment outside has a lot to do with gear and preparation. Regarding the marinas, we just called the marina on our cell phone when we were within sight to check on the availability of transient slips. If no one answered, then we would hail them on VHF channel 16 and they would have us switch to another channel for communication. That late in the season it was easy to get a transient slip. In the summer, we may have to reserve early. As you may know (but others on the list may not be aware), any of the marinas that accept Michigan state funding have to keep a certain percentage of slips available as transient slips and you can reserve those online. I think most of the marinas that are designated as harbors of refuge are located in more exposed areas than Grand Traverse Bay, but I see that Elk Rapids has that designation. For those on the list that may not be familiar, the harbor of refuge designation means that staff will not turn you away in emergency situations and when conditions on the water are rough. I just found the following link to the list of harbors in Michigan and added this to the travelogue. There was a printed copy of this onboard the charter boat that we would refer to before heading into a marina so we would be familiar with the layout ahead of time. https://www2.dnr.state.mi.us/Publications/PDFS/RecreationCamping/boating/harbor_guide_small.pdf Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 4:50 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi Jesse, > > I?ve never sailed on Grand Traverse Bay; but, have visited all the ports > of call in your story from land. Did you make use of the Michigan Harbor > of Refuge system? > > I?m just getting back from a weekend camping trip with my Boy Scout > troop. We camped at Trinity Lutheran Church Camp on what used to be Wixom > Lake. As a member of Trinity Lutheran Church, I have access to the camp. > We had access to the lodge to use the bathrooms. But, otherwise we stayed > outside. Friday night, we got sleet. Saturday morning, the zipper on my > tent was frozen! Fortunately, a little pulling and working the zipper back > and forth freed it up. Saturday night was much warmer, it only got down to > about 40 deg F. We have several crossover Webelos and this was their first > camping trip. Everyone seemed to be prepared for the conditions and stayed > warm. I was very proud of them. We did a lot of Tenderfoot and Second > Class Scout rank advancement stuff. After the older Scouts finished their > basic classes in knife and axe use and campfire building, I took over and > instructed them all in building a fire with soaking wet firewood. I showed > them how to find dry wood even though it had rained/sleeted the night > before. I showed them how to use the hatchet to cut into the dry heart > wood on a piece of wet wood and chip off slivers of dry tinder and > kindling. Then, we had the new Scouts build a campfire with this wet > wood. Even my senior Scouts were impressed with how easy it was to get a > fire going in these conditions. I think they all learned a useful life > skill. Now, I?m back home and all my camping gear is drying in the > basement. > > Life is good! > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 18, 2020, at 10:49 AM, Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > ?I put together a recap and some highlight photos of our sailing trip in > > Grand Traverse Bay at the link below. > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-XPDLxAJcuzvKa_3MJ7rwJ9JBhtzb8L_/view > > > > I included links in that document to resources for anyone that might want > > to plan a trip in the area. After reading the accounts of the adventures > > of others on this list, it inspired me to capture and share my trips. > Even > > if it's just me who looks at this in the future, I'll have something to > > look back on later and relive the trip on cold winter days :) > > > > This trip was on a charter boat, but this area can be sailed by a R22 as > > well. If you make it to the end of the document, a R22 does make an > > appearance. > > > > < > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-XPDLxAJcuzvKa_3MJ7rwJ9JBhtzb8L_/view?usp=sharing > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > >> On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 6:05 PM Jesse Shumaker < > >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> My wife and I had sailing plans out west, but that has been rescheduled > >> due to the wildfires and resulting air quality. I really feel bad for > >> everyone affected by that on top of everything else delivered by this > crazy > >> year of 2020. > >> > >> We swiftly changed plans and will be chartering a sailboat out of > Traverse > >> City, Michigan > >> later this month. We're actually going to be up there again in the > middle > >> of next summer. We have some family nearby that will be joining us on > >> board for part of the trip. For this round we plan on spending most of > the > >> time within Grand Traverse Bay and going as far North as Charlevoix or > >> possibly Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay. Next summer we would > like to > >> make it over to Beaver Island if weather permits. > >> > >> For the first day, we're going to hire a captain and practice docking > and > >> other boat handling since this will be a bigger boat for us. We had to > go > >> with what was available on short notice but end of season discounts > help. > >> It has IMF so it will be interesting to try that on a bigger boat. > >> > >> Tentative plan: > >> Thursday 9/24 1 Captain - spend the night at Elmwood Marina in Traverse > >> City > >> Friday 9/25 2 Power Island & Sutton's Bay > >> Saturday 9/26 3 Northport / Old Mission Bay > >> Sunday 9/27 4 Charleviox / Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay > >> Monday 9/28 5 Omena Bay / Ingalls Bay > >> Tuesday 9/29 6 Elk Rapids / Old Mission > >> Wednesday 9/30 7 Return to Traverse City > >> > >> Would anyone on the list happen to be familiar with the area and have > any > >> recommendations? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Jesse Shumaker > >> S/V Zephyr > >> > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Sun Oct 18 23:29:27 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 23:29:27 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Leech and foot line adjustment In-Reply-To: <1603042010849-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1603042010849-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <01ea01d6a5c8$0d899150$289cb3f0$@ebsmed.com> Adjusting the larger furling genoa can be fairly complicated. One must determine the optimal location of the jib sheets and cars as well as the length of the exposed sail. Once this has been accomplished, the sail shape may be fine tuned through adjustment of the foot and leech to keep the sail from curling. The genoa (headsail) should be adjusted prior to adjusting the mainsail. For IMF rigs this is complicated by the outhaul tension, mainsheet and traveler adjustments, not to mention sail shape lines. A reasonable general explanation on the adjustment of both lines may be found at: https://www.precisionsailloft.com/blog/leech-and-foot-lines/ More specific information may be found in our archives at: http://www.rhodes22.org/blew_skies/imf.html http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2005-December/027408.html http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2005-June/023989.html Most of us have learned through trial and error. This is a great reason to spend as much time as possible sailing your Rhodes 22. Books only tell you what should be done. Sailing and making mistakes force you to learn by correcting your errors. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Gmorganflier Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 1:27 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Leech and foot line adjustment Hello, I?ve spent hours and days looking through the archives for tidbits of info to help a novice sailor like me to know my boat better and hints on sailing techniques which I copy and paste into folders on my iPad. I had someone at my sailing club point out something on my sails which I didn?t even know existed nor had I seen discussed in the archives. My Genoa has a leech line and a foot line which can be adjusted. My furling main has a leech line. How are these used and adjusted? The person who pointed out this feature to me said it looked while sailing like my Genoa was cupped on the leech and I needed to loosen the leech line..does this sound right? Thanks, George Morgan S/V Knotty Lady 1986 -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Mon Oct 19 08:12:58 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 12:12:58 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sailing in Grand Traverse Bay in Michigan In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Hi Jesse, I was just wondering if you were aware of the Michigan Harbors of Refuge program. The 3 attached .jpg files are maps that give the locations of Michigan Harbors of Refuge on the east coast, west coast, and the upper peninsula. You can get more info at www.michigan.gov/harbors . The program was created in 1947 with the goal; that, there should be a public harbor of refuge with slips for transient boaters no more than every 15 miles of great lakes coastline apart. There are still stretches of coastline, particularly in the upper peninsula, wherein they have not yet reached their separation distance goal. However, the 3 attached maps show how extensive the Harbor of Refuge network has become. The existence of these Harbors of Refuge makes it possible to do multiday cruising in much smaller boats than would otherwise be safe. Since we own 22 ft LOA sailboats, this is obviously a useful program! Even though it wasn?t an issue on your cruise, in the Grand Traverse Bay area, the following cities have Harbors of Refuge: Northport, Leland, Suttons Bay, Greilickville, Traverse City, Elk Rapids, and Charlevoix. If you stayed at the ?Municipal Marina? or ?City Dock? in any of those places, you probably stayed in a Harbor of Refuge. Of course, in Grand Traverse Bay, you can hardly throw a stick without hitting a privately owned marina. But, many (most) locations in Michigan are much more sparsely populated with marinas. By the way, the Michigan Department of Natural Resources publishes a 3-ring binder called the ?Michigan Harbors Guide?. In this guide, each Harbor of Refuge has the front and back of a single page. There is an aerial photo showing the safe approach, GPS coordinates of the harbor entrance, and any aids &/or hazards to navigation. There is data like the number of transient slips available, water depth at the dock, services like fuel, septic pump out, repairs, water, contact phone numbers, etc. Anyone can order a copy for free! The guide is printed on water resistant paper. The Michigan Harbors Guide is an essential resource at S/V dynamic Equilibrium?s nav station. It also makes great reading/dreaming material over the winter sitting in front of the fireplace! I?ve sailed the great lakes in all the States that have great lakes coastline. I?ve not found any state with a comparable Harbors of Refuge program. It?s yet another thing that makes Michigan such a special place. [cid:image003.jpg at 01D6A5EF.A5F286F0] [cid:image005.jpg at 01D6A5EF.A5F286F0] [cid:image009.jpg at 01D6A5EF.A5F286F0] Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Jesse Shumaker Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 8:35 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] sailing in Grand Traverse Bay in Michigan Roger, good to hear about the enjoyable fall camping trip. As we're heading into this time of the year, enjoyment outside has a lot to do with gear and preparation. Regarding the marinas, we just called the marina on our cell phone when we were within sight to check on the availability of transient slips. If no one answered, then we would hail them on VHF channel 16 and they would have us switch to another channel for communication. That late in the season it was easy to get a transient slip. In the summer, we may have to reserve early. As you may know (but others on the list may not be aware), any of the marinas that accept Michigan state funding have to keep a certain percentage of slips available as transient slips and you can reserve those online. I think most of the marinas that are designated as harbors of refuge are located in more exposed areas than Grand Traverse Bay, but I see that Elk Rapids has that designation. For those on the list that may not be familiar, the harbor of refuge designation means that staff will not turn you away in emergency situations and when conditions on the water are rough. I just found the following link to the list of harbors in Michigan and added this to the travelogue. There was a printed copy of this onboard the charter boat that we would refer to before heading into a marina so we would be familiar with the layout ahead of time. https://www2.dnr.state.mi.us/Publications/PDFS/RecreationCamping/boating/harbor_guide_small.pdf Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 4:50 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi Jesse, > > I?ve never sailed on Grand Traverse Bay; but, have visited all the ports > of call in your story from land. Did you make use of the Michigan Harbor > of Refuge system? > > I?m just getting back from a weekend camping trip with my Boy Scout > troop. We camped at Trinity Lutheran Church Camp on what used to be Wixom > Lake. As a member of Trinity Lutheran Church, I have access to the camp. > We had access to the lodge to use the bathrooms. But, otherwise we stayed > outside. Friday night, we got sleet. Saturday morning, the zipper on my > tent was frozen! Fortunately, a little pulling and working the zipper back > and forth freed it up. Saturday night was much warmer, it only got down to > about 40 deg F. We have several crossover Webelos and this was their first > camping trip. Everyone seemed to be prepared for the conditions and stayed > warm. I was very proud of them. We did a lot of Tenderfoot and Second > Class Scout rank advancement stuff. After the older Scouts finished their > basic classes in knife and axe use and campfire building, I took over and > instructed them all in building a fire with soaking wet firewood. I showed > them how to find dry wood even though it had rained/sleeted the night > before. I showed them how to use the hatchet to cut into the dry heart > wood on a piece of wet wood and chip off slivers of dry tinder and > kindling. Then, we had the new Scouts build a campfire with this wet > wood. Even my senior Scouts were impressed with how easy it was to get a > fire going in these conditions. I think they all learned a useful life > skill. Now, I?m back home and all my camping gear is drying in the > basement. > > Life is good! > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 18, 2020, at 10:49 AM, Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > ?I put together a recap and some highlight photos of our sailing trip in > > Grand Traverse Bay at the link below. > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-XPDLxAJcuzvKa_3MJ7rwJ9JBhtzb8L_/view > > > > I included links in that document to resources for anyone that might want > > to plan a trip in the area. After reading the accounts of the adventures > > of others on this list, it inspired me to capture and share my trips. > Even > > if it's just me who looks at this in the future, I'll have something to > > look back on later and relive the trip on cold winter days :) > > > > This trip was on a charter boat, but this area can be sailed by a R22 as > > well. If you make it to the end of the document, a R22 does make an > > appearance. > > > > < > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-XPDLxAJcuzvKa_3MJ7rwJ9JBhtzb8L_/view?usp=sharing > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > >> On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 6:05 PM Jesse Shumaker < > >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> My wife and I had sailing plans out west, but that has been rescheduled > >> due to the wildfires and resulting air quality. I really feel bad for > >> everyone affected by that on top of everything else delivered by this > crazy > >> year of 2020. > >> > >> We swiftly changed plans and will be chartering a sailboat out of > Traverse > >> City, Michigan > >> later this month. We're actually going to be up there again in the > middle > >> of next summer. We have some family nearby that will be joining us on > >> board for part of the trip. For this round we plan on spending most of > the > >> time within Grand Traverse Bay and going as far North as Charlevoix or > >> possibly Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay. Next summer we would > like to > >> make it over to Beaver Island if weather permits. > >> > >> For the first day, we're going to hire a captain and practice docking > and > >> other boat handling since this will be a bigger boat for us. We had to > go > >> with what was available on short notice but end of season discounts > help. > >> It has IMF so it will be interesting to try that on a bigger boat. > >> > >> Tentative plan: > >> Thursday 9/24 1 Captain - spend the night at Elmwood Marina in Traverse > >> City > >> Friday 9/25 2 Power Island & Sutton's Bay > >> Saturday 9/26 3 Northport / Old Mission Bay > >> Sunday 9/27 4 Charleviox / Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay > >> Monday 9/28 5 Omena Bay / Ingalls Bay > >> Tuesday 9/29 6 Elk Rapids / Old Mission > >> Wednesday 9/30 7 Return to Traverse City > >> > >> Would anyone on the list happen to be familiar with the area and have > any > >> recommendations? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Jesse Shumaker > >> S/V Zephyr > >> > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Then I hope to position the mast in the crutch so I will have access in Spring without needing to remove the mast from the boat. I will have helping hands and other posts suggest this is possible. Just wondering if this seems a logical process to y'all and want to make sure I am not messing things up by removing the boom prior to lowering? Graham s/v 00Sailin -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From dwbrad at gmail.com Mon Oct 19 10:19:14 2020 From: dwbrad at gmail.com (David Bradley) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 10:19:14 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] preparing to install new sail In-Reply-To: <1603113552504-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1603113552504-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <02B3318B-27AB-470C-9266-D6754DC5B735@gmail.com> Hi Graham. I replace my mainsail this year and it was pretty straightforward. I took the mast off the boat (a pretty simple two person operation) and rested it on milk crates in the back yard. Having the mast level and easily accessible is key as you slide the furling tube out of the mast. I would think that doing it on the boat would be more of a hassle and not worth the time saved. I did not remove the boom and it wasn?t a problem. I?d spread sheet plastic or drop cloths on the ground if I were to do it again. I did not get any grass stains on the sail, but I was wishing I had done that so as not to worry. You need to have enough room of course to bring the full length of the sail and furling tube out of the mast, so 60? or so of room/ground cover. Hope that?s helpful. Dave B > On Oct 19, 2020, at 9:19 AM, gramille wrote: > > In Spring I will be installing my new IMF mainsail. > My plan is to remove the boom, outhaul and outhaul car and the pop top car > before dropping the mast. > Then I hope to position the mast in the crutch so I will have access in > Spring without needing to remove the mast from the boat. I will have helping > hands and other posts suggest this is possible. > Just wondering if this seems a logical process to y'all and want to make > sure I am not messing things up by removing the boom prior to lowering? > Graham > s/v 00Sailin > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From sbauman369 at gmail.com Mon Oct 19 10:40:31 2020 From: sbauman369 at gmail.com (Steve Bauman) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 10:40:31 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] rudder position when leaving the boat in the slip In-Reply-To: <55707442.506311.1603032905209@mail.yahoo.com> References: <55707442.506311.1603032905209@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I usually leave my rudder up, and against my raised outboard motor, and the tiller tied to the starboard aft cleat. One day when I had not done that and left it down, the wind picked up and caused ripples of waves in our marina (on Sandusky Bay, Ohio). I noticed that my rudder was getting shuttered about slightly, and I believe this was putting undue wear on the rudder pintle bearings, which are just holes through plastic blocks that have already grown sloppy. Since then, I always put my rudder up. Steve On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 10:55 AM Sling via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > I have left my rudder in the down position ever since I put it in the slip > over 6 years ago. I am in a fresh water lake. Any growth is easy to clean > off. No problems after years of doing this. > Joe Riley S/V Second Wind Lake Hartwell SC > > -----Original Message----- > From: Weiss, Robert L > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Sent: Sat, Oct 17, 2020 8:53 pm > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] rudder position when leaving the boat in the > slip > > I leave my rudder up but my marina might be better protected than others. > Also, lake water might be less toxic than other locations. > > Robert L. Weiss Jr. > Director of Music > First United Methodist Carbondale IL > Professor Emeritus, SIUC > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Jesse Shumaker > Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2020 7:47:03 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] rudder position when leaving the boat in the slip > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments. > > This season I had a slip and left the rudder in the lowered position for > convenience since that is one less thing to adjust in the start / end of > sail sequence...... Just curious to hear from others who keep > their boats in slips: do you leave the rudder up or down when the boat is > docked at the slip? > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > From cjlowe at sssnet.com Mon Oct 19 11:36:30 2020 From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] preparing to install new sail In-Reply-To: <1603113552504-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1603113552504-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <50658.24.140.30.102.1603121790.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> I ,too , will be going thru this in the spring. I always remove the mast bundle every year, and store it in my walk in basement. I think it would be easier to lower the mast onto saw horses and do the work on the ground. Safer, too. I live in the country, where there are no restrictions, HOA's or other obstacles to working in the backyard. While it's down, it would be a good time to improve any lighting and antenna concerns. Check you bearing on the jib furling tube (if it's still the factory furler . Make sure to note the direction of wrap on the sail and inhaul line. You won't be able to remove the mast and poptop cars without completely disassembling them. Much easier to just remove the boom first and slide the cars out after you drop the mast. Jerry Lowe SV Country Rhodes '86 > In Spring I will be installing my new IMF mainsail. > My plan is to remove the boom, outhaul and outhaul car and the pop top > car > before dropping the mast. > Then I hope to position the mast in the crutch so I will have access in > Spring without needing to remove the mast from the boat. I will have > helping > hands and other posts suggest this is possible. > Just wondering if this seems a logical process to y'all and want to make > sure I am not messing things up by removing the boom prior to lowering? > Graham > s/v 00Sailin > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com Mon Oct 19 11:58:46 2020 From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 08:58:46 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Leech and foot line adjustment In-Reply-To: <01ea01d6a5c8$0d899150$289cb3f0$@ebsmed.com> References: <1603042010849-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <01ea01d6a5c8$0d899150$289cb3f0$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: <1603123126205-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Mike, Thanks for the links. I will read all I can and attempt to adjust these lines. George -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From gramille at tds.net Mon Oct 19 13:36:02 2020 From: gramille at tds.net (gramille) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 10:36:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] preparing to install new sail In-Reply-To: <50658.24.140.30.102.1603121790.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> References: <1603113552504-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <50658.24.140.30.102.1603121790.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: <1603128962461-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Thanks Dave and Jerry, Sounds like one of you took off the boom and one did not! Both of you preferred working on the mast off the boat. Any more opinions out there? Graham s/v 00Sailin -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Mon Oct 19 13:54:28 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 12:54:28 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] preparing to install new sail In-Reply-To: <1603128962461-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1603113552504-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <50658.24.140.30.102.1603121790.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <1603128962461-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Graham, I've tried different approaches: At the end of last season, I took the entire mast and furler bundle off at once and laid them on the ground to work on them. At the end of this season, I disconnected the jib furler from the mast and took that down to the ground to remove the jib for the winter. Then I laid a towel down on the foredeck, disconnected the mast from the bow pulpit and rested it on the towel towards the front of the foredeck. At that point I was able to slide out the mainsail + furler without removing the mast. After removing the mainsail while working with the furler on the ground, I slid the furler for the main back into the mast (which was still resting in the positing where I left it) and then re-attached the base of the mast to the connector on the bow pulpit. Then I put the jib furler back on the boat, attached it to the top of the mast, and strapped it to the main. I found this process was easier since you don't have to lift too much at once. Good luck! Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 12:36 PM gramille wrote: > Thanks Dave and Jerry, > Sounds like one of you took off the boom and one did not! > Both of you preferred working on the mast off the boat. > Any more opinions out there? > Graham > s/v 00Sailin > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From cjlowe at sssnet.com Mon Oct 19 13:56:48 2020 From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 13:56:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] preparing to install new sail In-Reply-To: <1603128962461-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1603113552504-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <50658.24.140.30.102.1603121790.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <1603128962461-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <50778.24.140.30.102.1603130208.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> One more thing make sure all the fasteners are tight on the bottom bearing and all related assembly. I had a screw come loose and stopped the furling tube from rotating. Of coarse it happened when I was coming into the local sailing clubs dock under full sail. Jerry Lowe Thanks Dave and Jerry, > Sounds like one of you took off the boom and one did not! > Both of you preferred working on the mast off the boat. > Any more opinions out there? > Graham > s/v 00Sailin > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Mon Oct 19 13:58:10 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 12:58:10 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sailing in Grand Traverse Bay in Michigan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Roger, thanks for the detailed explanation. Yes, it appears that we stayed at some "harbors of refuge" after all since a number of the marinas that we stayed at were municipal ("city dock") marinas. We just stayed at those marinas as a matter of convenience and since they had availability, rather than utilizing them under duress. The info you provided is very helpful for future planning! Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 7:13 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi Jesse, > > I was just wondering if you were aware of the Michigan Harbors of Refuge > program. The 3 attached .jpg files are maps that give the locations of > Michigan Harbors of Refuge on the east coast, west coast, and the upper > peninsula. You can get more info at www.michigan.gov/harbors< > http://www.michigan.gov/harbors> . The program was created in 1947 with > the goal; that, there should be a public harbor of refuge with slips for > transient boaters no more than every 15 miles of great lakes coastline > apart. There are still stretches of coastline, particularly in the upper > peninsula, wherein they have not yet reached their separation distance > goal. However, the 3 attached maps show how extensive the Harbor of Refuge > network has become. The existence of these Harbors of Refuge makes it > possible to do multiday cruising in much smaller boats than would otherwise > be safe. Since we own 22 ft LOA sailboats, this is obviously a useful > program! Even though it wasn?t an issue on your cruise, in the Grand > Traverse Bay area, the following cities have Harbors of Refuge: Northport, > Leland, Suttons Bay, Greilickville, Traverse City, Elk Rapids, and > Charlevoix. If you stayed at the ?Municipal Marina? or ?City Dock? in any > of those places, you probably stayed in a Harbor of Refuge. Of course, in > Grand Traverse Bay, you can hardly throw a stick without hitting a > privately owned marina. But, many (most) locations in Michigan are much > more sparsely populated with marinas. > > By the way, the Michigan Department of Natural Resources publishes a > 3-ring binder called the ?Michigan Harbors Guide?. In this guide, each > Harbor of Refuge has the front and back of a single page. There is an > aerial photo showing the safe approach, GPS coordinates of the harbor > entrance, and any aids &/or hazards to navigation. There is data like the > number of transient slips available, water depth at the dock, services like > fuel, septic pump out, repairs, water, contact phone numbers, etc. Anyone > can order a copy for free! The guide is printed on water resistant paper. > The Michigan Harbors Guide is an essential resource at S/V dynamic > Equilibrium?s nav station. It also makes great reading/dreaming material > over the winter sitting in front of the fireplace! > > I?ve sailed the great lakes in all the States that have great lakes > coastline. I?ve not found any state with a comparable Harbors of Refuge > program. It?s yet another thing that makes Michigan such a special place. > > [cid:image003.jpg at 01D6A5EF.A5F286F0] > > [cid:image005.jpg at 01D6A5EF.A5F286F0] > > [cid:image009.jpg at 01D6A5EF.A5F286F0] > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Jesse Shumaker > Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 8:35 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] sailing in Grand Traverse Bay in Michigan > > Roger, good to hear about the enjoyable fall camping trip. As we're > heading into this time of the year, enjoyment outside has a lot to do with > gear and preparation. > > Regarding the marinas, we just called the marina on our cell phone when we > were within sight to check on the availability of transient slips. If no > one answered, then we would hail them on VHF channel 16 and they would have > us switch to another channel for communication. That late in the season it > was easy to get a transient slip. In the summer, we may have to reserve > early. As you may know (but others on the list may not be aware), any of > the marinas that accept Michigan state funding have to keep a certain > percentage of slips available as transient slips and you can reserve those > online. I think most of the marinas that are designated as harbors of > refuge are located in more exposed areas than Grand Traverse Bay, but I see > that Elk Rapids has that designation. For those on the list that may not > be familiar, the harbor of refuge designation means that staff will not > turn you away in emergency situations and when conditions on the water are > rough. > > I just found the following link to the list of harbors in Michigan and > added this to the travelogue. There was a printed copy of this onboard the > charter boat that we would refer to before heading into a marina so we > would be familiar with the layout ahead of time. > > https://www2.dnr.state.mi.us/Publications/PDFS/RecreationCamping/boating/harbor_guide_small.pdf > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > > On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 4:50 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > > > Hi Jesse, > > > > I?ve never sailed on Grand Traverse Bay; but, have visited all the ports > > of call in your story from land. Did you make use of the Michigan Harbor > > of Refuge system? > > > > I?m just getting back from a weekend camping trip with my Boy Scout > > troop. We camped at Trinity Lutheran Church Camp on what used to be > Wixom > > Lake. As a member of Trinity Lutheran Church, I have access to the camp. > > We had access to the lodge to use the bathrooms. But, otherwise we > stayed > > outside. Friday night, we got sleet. Saturday morning, the zipper on my > > tent was frozen! Fortunately, a little pulling and working the zipper > back > > and forth freed it up. Saturday night was much warmer, it only got down > to > > about 40 deg F. We have several crossover Webelos and this was their > first > > camping trip. Everyone seemed to be prepared for the conditions and > stayed > > warm. I was very proud of them. We did a lot of Tenderfoot and Second > > Class Scout rank advancement stuff. After the older Scouts finished > their > > basic classes in knife and axe use and campfire building, I took over and > > instructed them all in building a fire with soaking wet firewood. I > showed > > them how to find dry wood even though it had rained/sleeted the night > > before. I showed them how to use the hatchet to cut into the dry heart > > wood on a piece of wet wood and chip off slivers of dry tinder and > > kindling. Then, we had the new Scouts build a campfire with this wet > > wood. Even my senior Scouts were impressed with how easy it was to get a > > fire going in these conditions. I think they all learned a useful life > > skill. Now, I?m back home and all my camping gear is drying in the > > basement. > > > > Life is good! > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Oct 18, 2020, at 10:49 AM, Jesse Shumaker < > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > ?I put together a recap and some highlight photos of our sailing trip > in > > > Grand Traverse Bay at the link below. > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-XPDLxAJcuzvKa_3MJ7rwJ9JBhtzb8L_/view > > > > > > I included links in that document to resources for anyone that might > want > > > to plan a trip in the area. After reading the accounts of the > adventures > > > of others on this list, it inspired me to capture and share my trips. > > Even > > > if it's just me who looks at this in the future, I'll have something to > > > look back on later and relive the trip on cold winter days :) > > > > > > This trip was on a charter boat, but this area can be sailed by a R22 > as > > > well. If you make it to the end of the document, a R22 does make an > > > appearance. > > > > > > < > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-XPDLxAJcuzvKa_3MJ7rwJ9JBhtzb8L_/view?usp=sharing > > > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > > > >> On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 6:05 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> My wife and I had sailing plans out west, but that has been > rescheduled > > >> due to the wildfires and resulting air quality. I really feel bad for > > >> everyone affected by that on top of everything else delivered by this > > crazy > > >> year of 2020. > > >> > > >> We swiftly changed plans and will be chartering a sailboat out of > > Traverse > > >> City, Michigan > > >> later this month. We're actually going to be up there again in the > > middle > > >> of next summer. We have some family nearby that will be joining us on > > >> board for part of the trip. For this round we plan on spending most > of > > the > > >> time within Grand Traverse Bay and going as far North as Charlevoix or > > >> possibly Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay. Next summer we would > > like to > > >> make it over to Beaver Island if weather permits. > > >> > > >> For the first day, we're going to hire a captain and practice docking > > and > > >> other boat handling since this will be a bigger boat for us. We had > to > > go > > >> with what was available on short notice but end of season discounts > > help. > > >> It has IMF so it will be interesting to try that on a bigger boat. > > >> > > >> Tentative plan: > > >> Thursday 9/24 1 Captain - spend the night at Elmwood Marina in > Traverse > > >> City > > >> Friday 9/25 2 Power Island & Sutton's Bay > > >> Saturday 9/26 3 Northport / Old Mission Bay > > >> Sunday 9/27 4 Charleviox / Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay > > >> Monday 9/28 5 Omena Bay / Ingalls Bay > > >> Tuesday 9/29 6 Elk Rapids / Old Mission > > >> Wednesday 9/30 7 Return to Traverse City > > >> > > >> Would anyone on the list happen to be familiar with the area and have > > any > > >> recommendations? > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> Jesse Shumaker > > >> S/V Zephyr > > >> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: DD8818344B0B44C0AC2B35226D5F9E99.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 99468 bytes > Desc: DD8818344B0B44C0AC2B35226D5F9E99.jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201019/53f49e23/attachment.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: C746F11F97384E10BD1BC693B5C778B6.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 102304 bytes > Desc: C746F11F97384E10BD1BC693B5C778B6.jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201019/53f49e23/attachment-0001.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 68E61B74CE3347F197153D1D78DA07E0.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 102892 bytes > Desc: 68E61B74CE3347F197153D1D78DA07E0.jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201019/53f49e23/attachment-0002.jpg > > > From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Mon Oct 19 15:02:40 2020 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 15:02:40 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Leech and foot line adjustment In-Reply-To: <01ea01d6a5c8$0d899150$289cb3f0$@ebsmed.com> References: <1603042010849-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <01ea01d6a5c8$0d899150$289cb3f0$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Hi Mike, I respectfully take issue with your suggestion to set the genoa sail before the main. My training to sail a cutter rig was to first set the inner or staysail first, then the outer or yankee sail. The logic is that the accelerated airflow over the staysail lifting surface is the greater force exerting more influence on the overlapping yankee than the other way around. Especially with the 175 genny on the R22, the main will have considerable influence on the curvature of the overlapping genny. So I always *first set the main*, get it to pull as hard as I can per the knot meter, then set the genny leach curvature to match the main leach curvature. [image: RevSail2019a.jpg] Regards, Rick Lange On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 11:29 PM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > Adjusting the larger furling genoa can be fairly complicated. One must > determine the optimal location of the jib sheets and cars as well as the > length of the exposed sail. Once this has been accomplished, the sail shape > may be fine tuned through adjustment of the foot and leech to keep the sail > from curling. > > The genoa (headsail) should be adjusted prior to adjusting the mainsail. > For IMF rigs this is complicated by the outhaul tension, mainsheet and > traveler adjustments, not to mention sail shape lines. > > A reasonable general explanation on the adjustment of both lines may be > found at: > https://www.precisionsailloft.com/blog/leech-and-foot-lines/ > > More specific information may be found in our archives at: > http://www.rhodes22.org/blew_skies/imf.html > > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2005-December/027408.html > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2005-June/023989.html > > Most of us have learned through trial and error. This is a great reason to > spend as much time as possible sailing your Rhodes 22. Books only tell you > what should be done. Sailing and making mistakes force you to learn by > correcting your errors. > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Gmorganflier > Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 1:27 PM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Leech and foot line adjustment > > Hello, > > I?ve spent hours and days looking through the archives for tidbits of info > to help a novice sailor like me to know my boat better and hints on sailing > techniques which I copy and paste into folders on my iPad. > > I had someone at my sailing club point out something on my sails which I > didn?t even know existed nor had I seen discussed in the archives. My Genoa > has a leech line and a foot line which can be adjusted. My furling main has > a leech line. > > How are these used and adjusted? The person who pointed out this feature > to me said it looked while sailing like my Genoa was cupped on the leech > and I needed to loosen the leech line..does this sound right? > > Thanks, > George Morgan > S/V Knotty Lady 1986 > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: RevSail2019a.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 99943 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mweisner at ebsmed.com Mon Oct 19 18:29:38 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 18:29:38 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Leech and foot line adjustment In-Reply-To: References: <1603042010849-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <01ea01d6a5c8$0d899150$289cb3f0$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: <006401d6a667$55687640$003962c0$@ebsmed.com> Hi Rick, For years I felt that the mainsail should be trimmed first, just as you have said. I was lucky enough to crew aboard a sailboat that always won races and watched as the jib was always rough trimmed prior to the main. After adjusting the main, the crew touched up the jib controls. I asked why and the answer was always about the relative position and interaction of the two sails. The main is in the shadow or wash of the larger forwardmost sail. I tried the process on my Rhodes 22 and was very surprised that I was able to change course faster and get back to speed quicker by paying careful attention to sail shape and deployment of the genoa before I fiddled with the main. One of the most important considerations was the angle of the genoa to the furler. It should be near 90 degrees and result in a very well defined curvature. In the past, I had always set the jib sheets much too tightly. I quickly looked for an article as a reference and found this one: http://sailingmagazine.net/article-17-sail-trim-101.html which starts with: "When discussing overall sail trim, it makes sense to start with the headsail for two important reasons: The jib directs airflow over the mainsail. The jib itself creates lift and provides a portion of the boat's forward momentum." I am not saying that you must set the genny first, but please give it a try. You might be surprised. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I?d rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Rick Lange Sent: Monday, October 19, 2020 3:03 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Leech and foot line adjustment Hi Mike, I respectfully take issue with your suggestion to set the genoa sail before the main. My training to sail a cutter rig was to first set the inner or staysail first, then the outer or yankee sail. The logic is that the accelerated airflow over the staysail lifting surface is the greater force exerting more influence on the overlapping yankee than the other way around. Especially with the 175 genny on the R22, the main will have considerable influence on the curvature of the overlapping genny. So I always *first set the main*, get it to pull as hard as I can per the knot meter, then set the genny leach curvature to match the main leach curvature. [image: RevSail2019a.jpg] Regards, Rick Lange On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 11:29 PM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > Adjusting the larger furling genoa can be fairly complicated. One must > determine the optimal location of the jib sheets and cars as well as > the length of the exposed sail. Once this has been accomplished, the > sail shape may be fine tuned through adjustment of the foot and leech > to keep the sail from curling. > > The genoa (headsail) should be adjusted prior to adjusting the mainsail. > For IMF rigs this is complicated by the outhaul tension, mainsheet and > traveler adjustments, not to mention sail shape lines. > > A reasonable general explanation on the adjustment of both lines may > be found at: > https://www.precisionsailloft.com/blog/leech-and-foot-lines/ > > More specific information may be found in our archives at: > http://www.rhodes22.org/blew_skies/imf.html > > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2005-December/027408.h > tml > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2005-June/023989.html > > Most of us have learned through trial and error. This is a great > reason to spend as much time as possible sailing your Rhodes 22. Books > only tell you what should be done. Sailing and making mistakes force > you to learn by correcting your errors. > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Gmorganflier > Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 1:27 PM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Leech and foot line adjustment > > Hello, > > I?ve spent hours and days looking through the archives for tidbits of > info to help a novice sailor like me to know my boat better and hints > on sailing techniques which I copy and paste into folders on my iPad. > > I had someone at my sailing club point out something on my sails which > I didn?t even know existed nor had I seen discussed in the archives. > My Genoa has a leech line and a foot line which can be adjusted. My > furling main has a leech line. > > How are these used and adjusted? The person who pointed out this > feature to me said it looked while sailing like my Genoa was cupped > on the leech and I needed to loosen the leech line..does this sound right? > > Thanks, > George Morgan > S/V Knotty Lady 1986 > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: RevSail2019a.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 99943 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Mon Oct 19 20:56:32 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 19:56:32 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] rudder position when leaving the boat in the slip In-Reply-To: References: <55707442.506311.1603032905209@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Pintle! That word has been on the tip of my tounge for weeks!!! Thank you!! On Mon, Oct 19, 2020, 9:40 AM Steve Bauman wrote: > I usually leave my rudder up, and against my raised outboard motor, and the > tiller tied to the starboard aft cleat. One day when I had not done that > and left it down, the wind picked up and caused ripples of waves in our > marina (on Sandusky Bay, Ohio). I noticed that my rudder was getting > shuttered about slightly, and I believe this was putting undue wear on the > rudder pintle bearings, which are just holes through plastic blocks > that have already grown sloppy. Since then, I always put my rudder up. > > Steve > > On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 10:55 AM Sling via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > I have left my rudder in the down position ever since I put it in the > slip > > over 6 years ago. I am in a fresh water lake. Any growth is easy to > clean > > off. No problems after years of doing this. > > Joe Riley S/V Second Wind Lake Hartwell SC > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Weiss, Robert L > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Sent: Sat, Oct 17, 2020 8:53 pm > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] rudder position when leaving the boat in the > > slip > > > > I leave my rudder up but my marina might be better protected than others. > > Also, lake water might be less toxic than other locations. > > > > Robert L. Weiss Jr. > > Director of Music > > First United Methodist Carbondale IL > > Professor Emeritus, SIUC > > ________________________________ > > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > > Jesse Shumaker > > Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2020 7:47:03 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] rudder position when leaving the boat in the > slip > > > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or > attachments. > > > > This season I had a slip and left the rudder in the lowered position for > > convenience since that is one less thing to adjust in the start / end of > > sail sequence...... Just curious to hear from others who keep > > their boats in slips: do you leave the rudder up or down when the boat is > > docked at the slip? > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > From mike at traildesign.com Mon Oct 19 23:19:32 2020 From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 23:19:32 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Leech and foot line adjustment In-Reply-To: <006401d6a667$55687640$003962c0$@ebsmed.com> References: <1603042010849-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <01ea01d6a5c8$0d899150$289cb3f0$@ebsmed.com> <006401d6a667$55687640$003962c0$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: This is great info guys. Thanks and keep it going! On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 6:29 PM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > Hi Rick, > > For years I felt that the mainsail should be trimmed first, just as you > have said. > > I was lucky enough to crew aboard a sailboat that always won races and > watched as the jib was always rough trimmed prior to the main. After > adjusting the main, the crew touched up the jib controls. I asked why and > the answer was always about the relative position and interaction of the > two sails. The main is in the shadow or wash of the larger forwardmost sail. > > I tried the process on my Rhodes 22 and was very surprised that I was able > to change course faster and get back to speed quicker by paying careful > attention to sail shape and deployment of the genoa before I fiddled with > the main. One of the most important considerations was the angle of the > genoa to the furler. It should be near 90 degrees and result in a very well > defined curvature. In the past, I had always set the jib sheets much too > tightly. > > I quickly looked for an article as a reference and found this one: > http://sailingmagazine.net/article-17-sail-trim-101.html > which starts with: > > "When discussing overall sail trim, it makes sense to start with the > headsail for two important reasons: > The jib directs airflow over the mainsail. > The jib itself creates lift and provides a portion of the boat's > forward momentum." > > I am not saying that you must set the genny first, but please give it a > try. You might be surprised. > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > I?d rather be sailing :~) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Rick Lange > Sent: Monday, October 19, 2020 3:03 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Leech and foot line adjustment > > Hi Mike, > > I respectfully take issue with your suggestion to set the genoa sail > before the main. > > My training to sail a cutter rig was to first set the inner or staysail > first, then the outer or yankee sail. The logic is that the accelerated > airflow over the staysail lifting surface is the greater force exerting > more influence on the overlapping yankee than the other way around. > > Especially with the 175 genny on the R22, the main will have considerable > influence on the curvature of the overlapping genny. So I always *first > set the main*, get it to pull as hard as I can per the knot meter, then set > the genny leach curvature to match the main leach curvature. > > [image: RevSail2019a.jpg] > > Regards, > > Rick Lange > > > On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 11:29 PM Michael D. Weisner > wrote: > > > Adjusting the larger furling genoa can be fairly complicated. One must > > determine the optimal location of the jib sheets and cars as well as > > the length of the exposed sail. Once this has been accomplished, the > > sail shape may be fine tuned through adjustment of the foot and leech > > to keep the sail from curling. > > > > The genoa (headsail) should be adjusted prior to adjusting the mainsail. > > For IMF rigs this is complicated by the outhaul tension, mainsheet and > > traveler adjustments, not to mention sail shape lines. > > > > A reasonable general explanation on the adjustment of both lines may > > be found at: > > https://www.precisionsailloft.com/blog/leech-and-foot-lines/ > > > > More specific information may be found in our archives at: > > http://www.rhodes22.org/blew_skies/imf.html > > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2005-December/027408.h > > tml > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2005-June/023989.html > > > > Most of us have learned through trial and error. This is a great > > reason to spend as much time as possible sailing your Rhodes 22. Books > > only tell you what should be done. Sailing and making mistakes force > > you to learn by correcting your errors. > > > > Mike > > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > > Nissequogue River, NY > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > > Gmorganflier > > Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 1:27 PM > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Leech and foot line adjustment > > > > Hello, > > > > I?ve spent hours and days looking through the archives for tidbits of > > info to help a novice sailor like me to know my boat better and hints > > on sailing techniques which I copy and paste into folders on my iPad. > > > > I had someone at my sailing club point out something on my sails which > > I didn?t even know existed nor had I seen discussed in the archives. > > My Genoa has a leech line and a foot line which can be adjusted. My > > furling main has a leech line. > > > > How are these used and adjusted? The person who pointed out this > > feature to me said it looked while sailing like my Genoa was cupped > > on the leech and I needed to loosen the leech line..does this sound > right? > > > > Thanks, > > George Morgan > > S/V Knotty Lady 1986 > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: RevSail2019a.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 99943 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201019/ba0d2196/attachment.jpg > > > > -- Michael Riter President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training mike at traildesign.com 678-410-8021 From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Tue Oct 20 07:08:14 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 11:08:14 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sailing in Grand Traverse Bay in Michigan In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Jesse, Harbors of Refuge, there not just any port in a storm! :<) But seriously, despite the ominous sounding name, they are intended for routine use by transient recreational boaters. As such, they enable folks with smaller boats, like you and I, to recreate on the great lakes in ways that are not really feasible in other States. Considering the revenues transient boaters bring in to small coastal communities, the program has been a tremendous boost to the economies of many Michigan cities and towns. I think it is an example of a very successful government infrastructure program. Anyway, the Harbor of Refuge network cost hundreds of millions of $?s to build and maintain. So, we should all make use of it! Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Jesse Shumaker Sent: Monday, October 19, 2020 1:58 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] sailing in Grand Traverse Bay in Michigan Roger, thanks for the detailed explanation. Yes, it appears that we stayed at some "harbors of refuge" after all since a number of the marinas that we stayed at were municipal ("city dock") marinas. We just stayed at those marinas as a matter of convenience and since they had availability, rather than utilizing them under duress. The info you provided is very helpful for future planning! Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 7:13 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi Jesse, > > I was just wondering if you were aware of the Michigan Harbors of Refuge > program. The 3 attached .jpg files are maps that give the locations of > Michigan Harbors of Refuge on the east coast, west coast, and the upper > peninsula. You can get more info at www.michigan.gov/harbors< > http://www.michigan.gov/harbors> . The program was created in 1947 with > the goal; that, there should be a public harbor of refuge with slips for > transient boaters no more than every 15 miles of great lakes coastline > apart. There are still stretches of coastline, particularly in the upper > peninsula, wherein they have not yet reached their separation distance > goal. However, the 3 attached maps show how extensive the Harbor of Refuge > network has become. The existence of these Harbors of Refuge makes it > possible to do multiday cruising in much smaller boats than would otherwise > be safe. Since we own 22 ft LOA sailboats, this is obviously a useful > program! Even though it wasn?t an issue on your cruise, in the Grand > Traverse Bay area, the following cities have Harbors of Refuge: Northport, > Leland, Suttons Bay, Greilickville, Traverse City, Elk Rapids, and > Charlevoix. If you stayed at the ?Municipal Marina? or ?City Dock? in any > of those places, you probably stayed in a Harbor of Refuge. Of course, in > Grand Traverse Bay, you can hardly throw a stick without hitting a > privately owned marina. But, many (most) locations in Michigan are much > more sparsely populated with marinas. > > By the way, the Michigan Department of Natural Resources publishes a > 3-ring binder called the ?Michigan Harbors Guide?. In this guide, each > Harbor of Refuge has the front and back of a single page. There is an > aerial photo showing the safe approach, GPS coordinates of the harbor > entrance, and any aids &/or hazards to navigation. There is data like the > number of transient slips available, water depth at the dock, services like > fuel, septic pump out, repairs, water, contact phone numbers, etc. Anyone > can order a copy for free! The guide is printed on water resistant paper. > The Michigan Harbors Guide is an essential resource at S/V dynamic > Equilibrium?s nav station. It also makes great reading/dreaming material > over the winter sitting in front of the fireplace! > > I?ve sailed the great lakes in all the States that have great lakes > coastline. I?ve not found any state with a comparable Harbors of Refuge > program. It?s yet another thing that makes Michigan such a special place. > > [cid:image003.jpg at 01D6A5EF.A5F286F0] > > [cid:image005.jpg at 01D6A5EF.A5F286F0] > > [cid:image009.jpg at 01D6A5EF.A5F286F0] > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Jesse Shumaker > Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 8:35 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] sailing in Grand Traverse Bay in Michigan > > Roger, good to hear about the enjoyable fall camping trip. As we're > heading into this time of the year, enjoyment outside has a lot to do with > gear and preparation. > > Regarding the marinas, we just called the marina on our cell phone when we > were within sight to check on the availability of transient slips. If no > one answered, then we would hail them on VHF channel 16 and they would have > us switch to another channel for communication. That late in the season it > was easy to get a transient slip. In the summer, we may have to reserve > early. As you may know (but others on the list may not be aware), any of > the marinas that accept Michigan state funding have to keep a certain > percentage of slips available as transient slips and you can reserve those > online. I think most of the marinas that are designated as harbors of > refuge are located in more exposed areas than Grand Traverse Bay, but I see > that Elk Rapids has that designation. For those on the list that may not > be familiar, the harbor of refuge designation means that staff will not > turn you away in emergency situations and when conditions on the water are > rough. > > I just found the following link to the list of harbors in Michigan and > added this to the travelogue. There was a printed copy of this onboard the > charter boat that we would refer to before heading into a marina so we > would be familiar with the layout ahead of time. > > https://www2.dnr.state.mi.us/Publications/PDFS/RecreationCamping/boating/harbor_guide_small.pdf > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > > On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 4:50 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > > > Hi Jesse, > > > > I?ve never sailed on Grand Traverse Bay; but, have visited all the ports > > of call in your story from land. Did you make use of the Michigan Harbor > > of Refuge system? > > > > I?m just getting back from a weekend camping trip with my Boy Scout > > troop. We camped at Trinity Lutheran Church Camp on what used to be > Wixom > > Lake. As a member of Trinity Lutheran Church, I have access to the camp. > > We had access to the lodge to use the bathrooms. But, otherwise we > stayed > > outside. Friday night, we got sleet. Saturday morning, the zipper on my > > tent was frozen! Fortunately, a little pulling and working the zipper > back > > and forth freed it up. Saturday night was much warmer, it only got down > to > > about 40 deg F. We have several crossover Webelos and this was their > first > > camping trip. Everyone seemed to be prepared for the conditions and > stayed > > warm. I was very proud of them. We did a lot of Tenderfoot and Second > > Class Scout rank advancement stuff. After the older Scouts finished > their > > basic classes in knife and axe use and campfire building, I took over and > > instructed them all in building a fire with soaking wet firewood. I > showed > > them how to find dry wood even though it had rained/sleeted the night > > before. I showed them how to use the hatchet to cut into the dry heart > > wood on a piece of wet wood and chip off slivers of dry tinder and > > kindling. Then, we had the new Scouts build a campfire with this wet > > wood. Even my senior Scouts were impressed with how easy it was to get a > > fire going in these conditions. I think they all learned a useful life > > skill. Now, I?m back home and all my camping gear is drying in the > > basement. > > > > Life is good! > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Oct 18, 2020, at 10:49 AM, Jesse Shumaker < > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > ?I put together a recap and some highlight photos of our sailing trip > in > > > Grand Traverse Bay at the link below. > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-XPDLxAJcuzvKa_3MJ7rwJ9JBhtzb8L_/view > > > > > > I included links in that document to resources for anyone that might > want > > > to plan a trip in the area. After reading the accounts of the > adventures > > > of others on this list, it inspired me to capture and share my trips. > > Even > > > if it's just me who looks at this in the future, I'll have something to > > > look back on later and relive the trip on cold winter days :) > > > > > > This trip was on a charter boat, but this area can be sailed by a R22 > as > > > well. If you make it to the end of the document, a R22 does make an > > > appearance. > > > > > > < > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-XPDLxAJcuzvKa_3MJ7rwJ9JBhtzb8L_/view?usp=sharing > > > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > > > >> On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 6:05 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> My wife and I had sailing plans out west, but that has been > rescheduled > > >> due to the wildfires and resulting air quality. I really feel bad for > > >> everyone affected by that on top of everything else delivered by this > > crazy > > >> year of 2020. > > >> > > >> We swiftly changed plans and will be chartering a sailboat out of > > Traverse > > >> City, Michigan > > >> later this month. We're actually going to be up there again in the > > middle > > >> of next summer. We have some family nearby that will be joining us on > > >> board for part of the trip. For this round we plan on spending most > of > > the > > >> time within Grand Traverse Bay and going as far North as Charlevoix or > > >> possibly Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay. Next summer we would > > like to > > >> make it over to Beaver Island if weather permits. > > >> > > >> For the first day, we're going to hire a captain and practice docking > > and > > >> other boat handling since this will be a bigger boat for us. We had > to > > go > > >> with what was available on short notice but end of season discounts > > help. > > >> It has IMF so it will be interesting to try that on a bigger boat. > > >> > > >> Tentative plan: > > >> Thursday 9/24 1 Captain - spend the night at Elmwood Marina in > Traverse > > >> City > > >> Friday 9/25 2 Power Island & Sutton's Bay > > >> Saturday 9/26 3 Northport / Old Mission Bay > > >> Sunday 9/27 4 Charleviox / Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay > > >> Monday 9/28 5 Omena Bay / Ingalls Bay > > >> Tuesday 9/29 6 Elk Rapids / Old Mission > > >> Wednesday 9/30 7 Return to Traverse City > > >> > > >> Would anyone on the list happen to be familiar with the area and have > > any > > >> recommendations? > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> Jesse Shumaker > > >> S/V Zephyr > > >> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: DD8818344B0B44C0AC2B35226D5F9E99.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 99468 bytes > Desc: DD8818344B0B44C0AC2B35226D5F9E99.jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201019/53f49e23/attachment.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: C746F11F97384E10BD1BC693B5C778B6.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 102304 bytes > Desc: C746F11F97384E10BD1BC693B5C778B6.jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201019/53f49e23/attachment-0001.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 68E61B74CE3347F197153D1D78DA07E0.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 102892 bytes > Desc: 68E61B74CE3347F197153D1D78DA07E0.jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201019/53f49e23/attachment-0002.jpg > > > From talbotdavid50 at gmail.com Tue Oct 20 10:44:28 2020 From: talbotdavid50 at gmail.com (David Talbot) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 10:44:28 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headsail compatability Message-ID: Has anyone changed their original R22 furler that came withe the boat to a CDI furler? If so were any changes in the luff tape required, or could the Doyle headsails fit directly into the CDI model? The luff tape backup cord and fabric that goes in furling slot measures at 1/4 ?on the Doyle From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Tue Oct 20 10:58:08 2020 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 10:58:08 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Leech and foot line adjustment In-Reply-To: References: <1603042010849-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <01ea01d6a5c8$0d899150$289cb3f0$@ebsmed.com> <006401d6a667$55687640$003962c0$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: OK Mikes, In the case of the racing sailboat, I expect the jib did not significantly overlap the main. So as to which sail exerts the most influence over the other, the jib influences the main the most with leach air turbulence hitting the lifting surface of the main forward of the center of force. Thus, it does make sense to first set the jib. In the case of the R22 with a big genny, its leach air turbulence hits the main aft of the main's center of force. So the main has the most influence by drawing fast air across the inner surface of the genny. To see how this works, on a straight course with an 8-12 knot headwind, set your genny with the main completely furled. Then unfurl and set your main. You'll see the genny foot rise as though a topping lift line was raising the clew. Now you have to adjust the genny a second time. I am an R22 fan because I am a firm believer in lazy sailing. One adjustment per sail is all I want to do. Regards, Rick Lange On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 11:19 PM Mike Riter wrote: > This is great info guys. Thanks and keep it going! > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 6:29 PM Michael D. Weisner > wrote: > > > Hi Rick, > > > > For years I felt that the mainsail should be trimmed first, just as you > > have said. > > > > I was lucky enough to crew aboard a sailboat that always won races and > > watched as the jib was always rough trimmed prior to the main. After > > adjusting the main, the crew touched up the jib controls. I asked why and > > the answer was always about the relative position and interaction of the > > two sails. The main is in the shadow or wash of the larger forwardmost > sail. > > > > I tried the process on my Rhodes 22 and was very surprised that I was > able > > to change course faster and get back to speed quicker by paying careful > > attention to sail shape and deployment of the genoa before I fiddled with > > the main. One of the most important considerations was the angle of the > > genoa to the furler. It should be near 90 degrees and result in a very > well > > defined curvature. In the past, I had always set the jib sheets much too > > tightly. > > > > I quickly looked for an article as a reference and found this one: > > http://sailingmagazine.net/article-17-sail-trim-101.html > > which starts with: > > > > "When discussing overall sail trim, it makes sense to start with the > > headsail for two important reasons: > > The jib directs airflow over the mainsail. > > The jib itself creates lift and provides a portion of the boat's > > forward momentum." > > > > I am not saying that you must set the genny first, but please give it a > > try. You might be surprised. > > > > Mike > > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > > Nissequogue River, NY > > I?d rather be sailing :~) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > > Rick Lange > > Sent: Monday, October 19, 2020 3:03 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Leech and foot line adjustment > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > I respectfully take issue with your suggestion to set the genoa sail > > before the main. > > > > My training to sail a cutter rig was to first set the inner or staysail > > first, then the outer or yankee sail. The logic is that the accelerated > > airflow over the staysail lifting surface is the greater force exerting > > more influence on the overlapping yankee than the other way around. > > > > Especially with the 175 genny on the R22, the main will have considerable > > influence on the curvature of the overlapping genny. So I always *first > > set the main*, get it to pull as hard as I can per the knot meter, then > set > > the genny leach curvature to match the main leach curvature. > > > > [image: RevSail2019a.jpg] > > > > Regards, > > > > Rick Lange > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 11:29 PM Michael D. Weisner > > > wrote: > > > > > Adjusting the larger furling genoa can be fairly complicated. One must > > > determine the optimal location of the jib sheets and cars as well as > > > the length of the exposed sail. Once this has been accomplished, the > > > sail shape may be fine tuned through adjustment of the foot and leech > > > to keep the sail from curling. > > > > > > The genoa (headsail) should be adjusted prior to adjusting the > mainsail. > > > For IMF rigs this is complicated by the outhaul tension, mainsheet and > > > traveler adjustments, not to mention sail shape lines. > > > > > > A reasonable general explanation on the adjustment of both lines may > > > be found at: > > > https://www.precisionsailloft.com/blog/leech-and-foot-lines/ > > > > > > More specific information may be found in our archives at: > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/blew_skies/imf.html > > > > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2005-December/027408.h > > > tml > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2005-June/023989.html > > > > > > Most of us have learned through trial and error. This is a great > > > reason to spend as much time as possible sailing your Rhodes 22. Books > > > only tell you what should be done. Sailing and making mistakes force > > > you to learn by correcting your errors. > > > > > > Mike > > > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > > > Nissequogue River, NY > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > > > Gmorganflier > > > Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 1:27 PM > > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Leech and foot line adjustment > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I?ve spent hours and days looking through the archives for tidbits of > > > info to help a novice sailor like me to know my boat better and hints > > > on sailing techniques which I copy and paste into folders on my iPad. > > > > > > I had someone at my sailing club point out something on my sails which > > > I didn?t even know existed nor had I seen discussed in the archives. > > > My Genoa has a leech line and a foot line which can be adjusted. My > > > furling main has a leech line. > > > > > > How are these used and adjusted? The person who pointed out this > > > feature to me said it looked while sailing like my Genoa was cupped > > > on the leech and I needed to loosen the leech line..does this sound > > right? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > George Morgan > > > S/V Knotty Lady 1986 > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: RevSail2019a.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 99943 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201019/ba0d2196/attachment.jpg > > > > > > > -- > Michael Riter > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training > mike at traildesign.com > 678-410-8021 > From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Tue Oct 20 11:00:41 2020 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 11:00:41 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headsail compatability In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi David, You'll need a sail loft that knows CDI furlers to change your luff. Regards, Rick Lange On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 10:44 AM David Talbot wrote: > Has anyone changed their original R22 furler that came withe the boat to a > CDI furler? > If so were any changes in the luff tape required, or could the Doyle > headsails fit directly into the CDI model? > The luff tape backup cord and fabric that goes in furling slot measures at > 1/4 ?on the Doyle > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Tue Oct 20 11:07:02 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 11:07:02 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headsail compatability In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10016ED0-2BFC-4698-9900-ABEED869B033@sunnybeeches.com> David, The CDI manual for the Flexible Furler 2 says the luff tape should be #6. The internet is telling me that #6 luff tape has a diameter of 0.1875?. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On Oct 20, 2020, at 10:44 AM, David Talbot wrote: > > Has anyone changed their original R22 furler that came withe the boat to a > CDI furler? > If so were any changes in the luff tape required, or could the Doyle > headsails fit directly into the CDI model? > The luff tape backup cord and fabric that goes in furling slot measures at > 1/4 ?on the Doyle From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Tue Oct 20 12:19:06 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 16:19:06 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headsail compatability In-Reply-To: <10016ED0-2BFC-4698-9900-ABEED869B033@sunnybeeches.com> References: , <10016ED0-2BFC-4698-9900-ABEED869B033@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: David, I changed the OEM furler to a Harken Unit 0. This roller furler has upper and lower swivels so that the genoa can make effective use of a foam luff pad for better furled sail shape over a wider dynamic range. The luff foil is made by joining several extruded aluminum alloy sections vs one piece. I like this system because damaged sections can be replaced. Harken makes extensive use of Torlon ball bearings on both the upper and lower swivels. Even after 30 seasons of use, my furler still spins as easily as a bicycle wheel. It has never malfunctioned even once in all those years. If you are going to go to the trouble and expense of upgrading your roller furler, get a quality unit. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 20, 2020, at 11:07 AM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > ?David, > > The CDI manual for the Flexible Furler 2 says the luff tape should be #6. The internet is telling me that #6 luff tape has a diameter of 0.1875?. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > >> On Oct 20, 2020, at 10:44 AM, David Talbot wrote: >> >> Has anyone changed their original R22 furler that came withe the boat to a >> CDI furler? >> If so were any changes in the luff tape required, or could the Doyle >> headsails fit directly into the CDI model? >> The luff tape backup cord and fabric that goes in furling slot measures at >> 1/4 ?on the Doyle > From tvpolise at aol.com Tue Oct 20 12:55:19 2020 From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:55:19 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Seat back replacement References: <36A94BB5-7B76-4F6A-A94E-30A199E1BA74.ref@aol.com> Message-ID: <36A94BB5-7B76-4F6A-A94E-30A199E1BA74@aol.com> Does anyone know where I can order seat back cushion replacement? 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Does anyone know where I can order seat back cushion replacement? It appears that back cushion is designed to be replaced as it is screwed in. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_4378.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 563152 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Tue Oct 20 21:34:20 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 20:34:20 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sailing in Grand Traverse Bay in Michigan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Roger, thanks for the clarification. I misunderstood the intention and interpreted the Harbors of Refuge name too narrowly. As I read more about it, I can see that it is an impressive system. You certainly have a lot of great sailing opportunities in Michigan! Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 6:08 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Jesse, > > Harbors of Refuge, there not just any port in a storm! :<) But > seriously, despite the ominous sounding name, they are intended for routine > use by transient recreational boaters. As such, they enable folks with > smaller boats, like you and I, to recreate on the great lakes in ways that > are not really feasible in other States. Considering the revenues > transient boaters bring in to small coastal communities, the program has > been a tremendous boost to the economies of many Michigan cities and > towns. I think it is an example of a very successful government > infrastructure program. > > Anyway, the Harbor of Refuge network cost hundreds of millions of $?s to > build and maintain. So, we should all make use of it! > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Jesse Shumaker > Sent: Monday, October 19, 2020 1:58 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] sailing in Grand Traverse Bay in Michigan > > Roger, thanks for the detailed explanation. Yes, it appears that we stayed > at some "harbors of refuge" after all since a number of the marinas that we > stayed at were municipal ("city dock") marinas. We just stayed at those > marinas as a matter of convenience and since they had availability, rather > than utilizing them under duress. The info you provided is very helpful > for future planning! > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 7:13 AM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > > > Hi Jesse, > > > > I was just wondering if you were aware of the Michigan Harbors of Refuge > > program. The 3 attached .jpg files are maps that give the locations of > > Michigan Harbors of Refuge on the east coast, west coast, and the upper > > peninsula. You can get more info at www.michigan.gov/harbors<< > http://www.michigan.gov/harbors%3c> > > http://www.michigan.gov/harbors> . The program was created in 1947 with > > the goal; that, there should be a public harbor of refuge with slips for > > transient boaters no more than every 15 miles of great lakes coastline > > apart. There are still stretches of coastline, particularly in the upper > > peninsula, wherein they have not yet reached their separation distance > > goal. However, the 3 attached maps show how extensive the Harbor of > Refuge > > network has become. The existence of these Harbors of Refuge makes it > > possible to do multiday cruising in much smaller boats than would > otherwise > > be safe. Since we own 22 ft LOA sailboats, this is obviously a useful > > program! Even though it wasn?t an issue on your cruise, in the Grand > > Traverse Bay area, the following cities have Harbors of Refuge: > Northport, > > Leland, Suttons Bay, Greilickville, Traverse City, Elk Rapids, and > > Charlevoix. If you stayed at the ?Municipal Marina? or ?City Dock? in > any > > of those places, you probably stayed in a Harbor of Refuge. Of course, > in > > Grand Traverse Bay, you can hardly throw a stick without hitting a > > privately owned marina. But, many (most) locations in Michigan are much > > more sparsely populated with marinas. > > > > By the way, the Michigan Department of Natural Resources publishes a > > 3-ring binder called the ?Michigan Harbors Guide?. In this guide, each > > Harbor of Refuge has the front and back of a single page. There is an > > aerial photo showing the safe approach, GPS coordinates of the harbor > > entrance, and any aids &/or hazards to navigation. There is data like > the > > number of transient slips available, water depth at the dock, services > like > > fuel, septic pump out, repairs, water, contact phone numbers, etc. > Anyone > > can order a copy for free! The guide is printed on water resistant > paper. > > The Michigan Harbors Guide is an essential resource at S/V dynamic > > Equilibrium?s nav station. It also makes great reading/dreaming > material > > over the winter sitting in front of the fireplace! > > > > I?ve sailed the great lakes in all the States that have great lakes > > coastline. I?ve not found any state with a comparable Harbors of Refuge > > program. It?s yet another thing that makes Michigan such a special > place. > > > > [cid:image003.jpg at 01D6A5EF.A5F286F0] > > > > [cid:image005.jpg at 01D6A5EF.A5F286F0] > > > > [cid:image009.jpg at 01D6A5EF.A5F286F0] > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for > > Windows 10 > > > > From: Jesse Shumaker > > Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 8:35 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] sailing in Grand Traverse Bay in Michigan > > > > Roger, good to hear about the enjoyable fall camping trip. As we're > > heading into this time of the year, enjoyment outside has a lot to do > with > > gear and preparation. > > > > Regarding the marinas, we just called the marina on our cell phone when > we > > were within sight to check on the availability of transient slips. If no > > one answered, then we would hail them on VHF channel 16 and they would > have > > us switch to another channel for communication. That late in the season > it > > was easy to get a transient slip. In the summer, we may have to reserve > > early. As you may know (but others on the list may not be aware), any of > > the marinas that accept Michigan state funding have to keep a certain > > percentage of slips available as transient slips and you can reserve > those > > online. I think most of the marinas that are designated as harbors of > > refuge are located in more exposed areas than Grand Traverse Bay, but I > see > > that Elk Rapids has that designation. For those on the list that may not > > be familiar, the harbor of refuge designation means that staff will not > > turn you away in emergency situations and when conditions on the water > are > > rough. > > > > I just found the following link to the list of harbors in Michigan and > > added this to the travelogue. There was a printed copy of this onboard > the > > charter boat that we would refer to before heading into a marina so we > > would be familiar with the layout ahead of time. > > > > > https://www2.dnr.state.mi.us/Publications/PDFS/RecreationCamping/boating/harbor_guide_small.pdf > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 4:50 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Jesse, > > > > > > I?ve never sailed on Grand Traverse Bay; but, have visited all the > ports > > > of call in your story from land. Did you make use of the Michigan > Harbor > > > of Refuge system? > > > > > > I?m just getting back from a weekend camping trip with my Boy Scout > > > troop. We camped at Trinity Lutheran Church Camp on what used to be > > Wixom > > > Lake. As a member of Trinity Lutheran Church, I have access to the > camp. > > > We had access to the lodge to use the bathrooms. But, otherwise we > > stayed > > > outside. Friday night, we got sleet. Saturday morning, the zipper on > my > > > tent was frozen! Fortunately, a little pulling and working the zipper > > back > > > and forth freed it up. Saturday night was much warmer, it only got > down > > to > > > about 40 deg F. We have several crossover Webelos and this was their > > first > > > camping trip. Everyone seemed to be prepared for the conditions and > > stayed > > > warm. I was very proud of them. We did a lot of Tenderfoot and Second > > > Class Scout rank advancement stuff. After the older Scouts finished > > their > > > basic classes in knife and axe use and campfire building, I took over > and > > > instructed them all in building a fire with soaking wet firewood. I > > showed > > > them how to find dry wood even though it had rained/sleeted the night > > > before. I showed them how to use the hatchet to cut into the dry heart > > > wood on a piece of wet wood and chip off slivers of dry tinder and > > > kindling. Then, we had the new Scouts build a campfire with this wet > > > wood. Even my senior Scouts were impressed with how easy it was to > get a > > > fire going in these conditions. I think they all learned a useful life > > > skill. Now, I?m back home and all my camping gear is drying in the > > > basement. > > > > > > Life is good! > > > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > On Oct 18, 2020, at 10:49 AM, Jesse Shumaker < > > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > ?I put together a recap and some highlight photos of our sailing trip > > in > > > > Grand Traverse Bay at the link below. > > > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-XPDLxAJcuzvKa_3MJ7rwJ9JBhtzb8L_/view > > > > > > > > I included links in that document to resources for anyone that might > > want > > > > to plan a trip in the area. After reading the accounts of the > > adventures > > > > of others on this list, it inspired me to capture and share my trips. > > > Even > > > > if it's just me who looks at this in the future, I'll have something > to > > > > look back on later and relive the trip on cold winter days :) > > > > > > > > This trip was on a charter boat, but this area can be sailed by a R22 > > as > > > > well. If you make it to the end of the document, a R22 does make an > > > > appearance. > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-XPDLxAJcuzvKa_3MJ7rwJ9JBhtzb8L_/view?usp=sharing > > > > > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 6:05 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > > >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> My wife and I had sailing plans out west, but that has been > > rescheduled > > > >> due to the wildfires and resulting air quality. I really feel bad > for > > > >> everyone affected by that on top of everything else delivered by > this > > > crazy > > > >> year of 2020. > > > >> > > > >> We swiftly changed plans and will be chartering a sailboat out of > > > Traverse > > > >> City, Michigan > > > >> later this month. We're actually going to be up there again in the > > > middle > > > >> of next summer. We have some family nearby that will be joining us > on > > > >> board for part of the trip. For this round we plan on spending most > > of > > > the > > > >> time within Grand Traverse Bay and going as far North as Charlevoix > or > > > >> possibly Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay. Next summer we would > > > like to > > > >> make it over to Beaver Island if weather permits. > > > >> > > > >> For the first day, we're going to hire a captain and practice > docking > > > and > > > >> other boat handling since this will be a bigger boat for us. We had > > to > > > go > > > >> with what was available on short notice but end of season discounts > > > help. > > > >> It has IMF so it will be interesting to try that on a bigger boat. > > > >> > > > >> Tentative plan: > > > >> Thursday 9/24 1 Captain - spend the night at Elmwood Marina in > > Traverse > > > >> City > > > >> Friday 9/25 2 Power Island & Sutton's Bay > > > >> Saturday 9/26 3 Northport / Old Mission Bay > > > >> Sunday 9/27 4 Charleviox / Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay > > > >> Monday 9/28 5 Omena Bay / Ingalls Bay > > > >> Tuesday 9/29 6 Elk Rapids / Old Mission > > > >> Wednesday 9/30 7 Return to Traverse City > > > >> > > > >> Would anyone on the list happen to be familiar with the area and > have > > > any > > > >> recommendations? > > > >> > > > >> Thanks, > > > >> Jesse Shumaker > > > >> S/V Zephyr > > > >> > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: DD8818344B0B44C0AC2B35226D5F9E99.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 99468 bytes > > Desc: DD8818344B0B44C0AC2B35226D5F9E99.jpg > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201019/53f49e23/attachment.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: C746F11F97384E10BD1BC693B5C778B6.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 102304 bytes > > Desc: C746F11F97384E10BD1BC693B5C778B6.jpg > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201019/53f49e23/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: 68E61B74CE3347F197153D1D78DA07E0.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 102892 bytes > > Desc: 68E61B74CE3347F197153D1D78DA07E0.jpg > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201019/53f49e23/attachment-0002.jpg > > > > > > > From Colealexander at hotmail.com Wed Oct 21 10:22:16 2020 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 07:22:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Our builder In-Reply-To: <1602897634781-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1602726497180-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1602884602769-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1602897634781-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1603290136958-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I?m disappointed. That looks like the one I?m wearing out, The leading edge of the grove has worn into a shark?s mouth. ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From ews1esq at yahoo.com Sat Oct 24 13:13:55 2020 From: ews1esq at yahoo.com (eric w. smith) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 17:13:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 1995 Rhodes 22 for sale References: <311867922.2991395.1603559635986.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <311867922.2991395.1603559635986@mail.yahoo.com> Listmates, I have a 1995 Rhodes 22 that I have to sell due to health reasons.? She has been recycled through General Boats twice, once in 2005 when I bought her and then again in 2016. Sails are from 2016 as is all working rigging, stays, etc.? Sale includes new bimini (2020) and 2005 Johnson 8hp 4 stroke completely rebuilt in 2019 Triad trailer rebuilt (new brakes, bearings, etc.) in 2019; may need new tires. Lots of extras (vhf radio, life jackets, emergency equipment, fire extinguishers, fenders,etc.) Mast hoist system and extra Johnson 6hp 4 stroke from 2015 (super low hours).? Extra tiller. Valuations seem to be all over the place, particularly in these crazy COVID 19 times. If you're interested, make me an offer.? I am in Fort Pierce, Florida (Southeast Coast) Eric Smith?ews1esq at yahoo.com From stan at generalboats.com Sun Oct 25 10:47:49 2020 From: stan at generalboats.com (stan) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2020 10:47:49 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] public notice all Rhodies Message-ID: <03e8bb12-35e4-830a-e533-170b14be1ea6@generalboats.com> After countless years of flawless delivering Rhodes 22s and picking up recycling candidates, Richard Beytagh is retiring to pursue the dream of rebuilding a classic, bigger, much bigger sailboat than we have a trailer for or a street big enough for him to deliver it to.? We know that one day he will have the itch that all Rhodies who move up, sooner or later acquire; that of getting back to single handing a Rhodes, particularly one with the wonderful feel of its solid fiberglass tiller.? We might make the case of the return to a Rhodes by mover-uppers, once they satisfy their big boat dream, by pointing to lifetime Rhodes owners Alice and Chris who. when they went bigger, avoided the return to a Rhodes itch by not only /not/ selling their Rhodes but buying a second Rhodes to maintain a sense of balance. The GB answer has always been own the single handing Rhodes and Charter the big ones that require two hands. In that meantime until Richard comes home, this phase of the General Boats business is now open to any and all Rhodies who would like their own business, where they are their own boss, take whatever assignment he or she or they wish, set their own fees and be paid on the spot.? Requirements; only two:? You must own, or have owned, your own Rhodes and be intimately familiar with all its charms (which translates to having slept with or on it at least one night). The other, a vehicle. Here is your chance to be paid to see the country and more of its different waters than anyone else (other than me) before the next revolution.? The next delivery will have you enjoying FL's Gulf coast and the next pick up, the Great State of NC. stan From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 21:51:23 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 20:51:23 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle Message-ID: Hi, I'm attempting to remove the mast tabernacle in order to install the Dwyer Halyard Organizer plate (part DH288). The three screws came out easily, but the tabernacle is still attached very strongly with an adhesive. I don't know what adhesive was used. The adhesive is colored white. I tried heating up the plate with a soldering iron and tried to squeeze in a razor but have been unable to break the seal. I would appreciate any tips from the group on how to free the tabernacle from the cabin top. Thanks in advance for any advice! Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr From allynb at adsne.com Mon Oct 26 22:12:54 2020 From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 02:12:54 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bluetooth depth finder for Navionics In-Reply-To: References: <8992F331-63F7-489B-8D6B-FD2AE3C0A97A@adsne.com> <6A6FCA8F-4B9D-4AEE-BC1F-AE37540AB1E0@adsne.com> , Message-ID: Thanks for the input! I had no idea that a depth transfer spoke NMEA 0183 - I thought that was only AIS. I did purchase an NMEA 0183 multiplexer, but I?m having a really hard time purchasing a thru-hull depth transducer. I just can?t punch a hole through a perfectly good hull. I did find a in-hull transducer, so I?ll probably go that route. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2020, at 8:29 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > ?FWIW, my approach on this was to use a NMEA 0183 multiplexer. > > My VHF radio also has GPS and AIS. I have a thru-hull transducer that has depth, speed, and temperature. Both of these speak NMEA 0183. They are connected by wire to a multiplexer that my iPad will connect to via WIFI. My chart plotter app (SEAiq) supports integrating all of this data into its display over the WIFI connection. (I know INavX also supports this.). > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Mon Oct 26 22:45:53 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 22:45:53 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bluetooth depth finder for Navionics In-Reply-To: References: <8992F331-63F7-489B-8D6B-FD2AE3C0A97A@adsne.com> <6A6FCA8F-4B9D-4AEE-BC1F-AE37540AB1E0@adsne.com> , Message-ID: <03a201d6ac0b$4a827650$df8762f0$@ebsmed.com> I don?t like making holes either. I have had good results snugging the transducer up against the hull as follows: 1. Clean area where you will place the transducer thoroughly. My favorite location is just ahead of the cockpit drain, out of the way in the lazarette. 2. While floating, place a bit of water where you would like to locate the transducer. 3. Insert the transducer into the water, business side to the hull and hold tightly to the hull. 4. Have assistant power up depth meter and verify proper operation and reading. Measure your depth accurately with a boat pole, stick or tape measure. 5. Turn off meter, snake cable appropriately between meter and selected location. 6. Remove water added to make good sonar "seal" in step #2. Thoroughly dry the transducer location. 7. Apply a good sized blob of DAP Kwik Seal Kitchen and Bath caulk to the location. 8. Insert the transducer into the sealant, business side to the hull, and press tightly against the hull until caulk sets up. 9. Test depth meter operation. Reposition transducer if necessary. 10. Let sealant dry at least 24 hours. I have found that the DAP Kwik Seal product is easy to work with and sets up in less than 10 minutes. Once it has cured, the sound passes through the hull with little loss. I chose the location just ahead of the cockpit drain because it was easy to access, relatively protected, saw little turbulence and was almost perfectly located, "height wise" at the bottom of the boat. If you need to move the transducer, the sealant can be easily removed from the transducer and the hull without damage. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Allyn Baskerville Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 10:13 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bluetooth depth finder for Navionics Thanks for the input! I had no idea that a depth transfer spoke NMEA 0183 - I thought that was only AIS. I did purchase an NMEA 0183 multiplexer, but I?m having a really hard time purchasing a thru-hull depth transducer. I just can?t punch a hole through a perfectly good hull. I did find a in-hull transducer, so I?ll probably go that route. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2020, at 8:29 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > ?FWIW, my approach on this was to use a NMEA 0183 multiplexer. > > My VHF radio also has GPS and AIS. I have a thru-hull transducer that has depth, speed, and temperature. Both of these speak NMEA 0183. They are connected by wire to a multiplexer that my iPad will connect to via WIFI. My chart plotter app (SEAiq) supports integrating all of this data into its display over the WIFI connection. (I know INavX also supports this.). > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Mon Oct 26 23:43:17 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 23:43:17 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Jesse, Sounds like PL5200. Strongest stuff in the world. Just about impossible to remove. You might make a hack saw frame but with the blade at 90 degrees to a normal one. Slowly cut between the cabin roof and tabernacle. At some point you can apply a rotational motion and should get it off. You will Have an ugly scarred area. Research to see if they have come up with a solvent for 5200. If so, use that rather than the butchery method. Good luck. Chris Geankoplis Enosis. On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 21:51, Jesse Shumaker wrote: > Hi, I'm attempting to remove the mast tabernacle in order to install the > Dwyer Halyard Organizer plate (part DH288). The three screws came out > easily, but the tabernacle is still attached very strongly with an > adhesive. I don't know what adhesive was used. The adhesive is colored > white. I tried heating up the plate with a soldering iron and tried to > squeeze in a razor but have been unable to break the seal. > > I would appreciate any tips from the group on how to free the tabernacle > from the cabin top. Thanks in advance for any advice! > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > From ric at stottarchitecture.com Tue Oct 27 08:09:13 2020 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 08:09:13 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CB575CB-60A1-42B2-A803-50C8A9783E7E@stottarchitecture.com> Careful wack with Rubber mallet!! Ric Dadventure Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 26, 2020, at 11:43 PM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: > > ?Hey Jesse, > Sounds like PL5200. Strongest stuff in the world. Just about impossible to > remove. You might make a hack saw frame but with the blade at 90 degrees to > a normal one. Slowly cut between the cabin roof and tabernacle. At some > point you can apply a rotational motion and should get it off. You will > Have an ugly scarred area. Research to see if they have come up with a > solvent for 5200. If so, use that rather than the butchery method. Good > luck. > > Chris Geankoplis > Enosis. > >> On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 21:51, Jesse Shumaker >> wrote: >> >> Hi, I'm attempting to remove the mast tabernacle in order to install the >> Dwyer Halyard Organizer plate (part DH288). The three screws came out >> easily, but the tabernacle is still attached very strongly with an >> adhesive. I don't know what adhesive was used. The adhesive is colored >> white. I tried heating up the plate with a soldering iron and tried to >> squeeze in a razor but have been unable to break the seal. >> >> I would appreciate any tips from the group on how to free the tabernacle >> from the cabin top. Thanks in advance for any advice! >> >> Jesse Shumaker >> S/V Zephyr >> From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 08:21:55 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 08:21:55 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle In-Reply-To: <4CB575CB-60A1-42B2-A803-50C8A9783E7E@stottarchitecture.com> References: <4CB575CB-60A1-42B2-A803-50C8A9783E7E@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: Oh I like Ric?s approach better! Try that first! Chris Geankoplis Enosis On Tue, 27 Oct 2020 at 08:09, Ric Stott wrote: > Careful wack with Rubber mallet!! > Ric > Dadventure > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 26, 2020, at 11:43 PM, Chris Geankoplis < > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > ?Hey Jesse, > > Sounds like PL5200. Strongest stuff in the world. Just about impossible > to > > remove. You might make a hack saw frame but with the blade at 90 degrees > to > > a normal one. Slowly cut between the cabin roof and tabernacle. At some > > point you can apply a rotational motion and should get it off. You will > > Have an ugly scarred area. Research to see if they have come up with a > > solvent for 5200. If so, use that rather than the butchery method. Good > > luck. > > > > Chris Geankoplis > > Enosis. > > > >> On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 21:51, Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> Hi, I'm attempting to remove the mast tabernacle in order to install the > >> Dwyer Halyard Organizer plate (part DH288). The three screws came out > >> easily, but the tabernacle is still attached very strongly with an > >> adhesive. I don't know what adhesive was used. The adhesive is colored > >> white. I tried heating up the plate with a soldering iron and tried to > >> squeeze in a razor but have been unable to break the seal. > >> > >> I would appreciate any tips from the group on how to free the tabernacle > >> from the cabin top. Thanks in advance for any advice! > >> > >> Jesse Shumaker > >> S/V Zephyr > >> > From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Tue Oct 27 08:29:20 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 08:29:20 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004001d6ac5c$ccc3a1b0$664ae510$@ca> Debond Marine Formula works well to remove 3M 5200 but you might need to be patient. The videos show it working within minutes but I had another experience. I used it to remove my outboard bracket. I applied it and waited for about 15 minutes but there was no sign of it working. I decided to leave it on the boat rather than damage the fiberglass but several months later I found the bracket on the ground. It had fallen off under its own weight - which was probably only a few ounces. . I have no idea how long it had been there. In other circumstances it worked much faster. The surface of the glass was perfectly smooth. It does a great job but just take your time and be prepared to wait. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Chris Geankoplis Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 11:43 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle Hey Jesse, Sounds like PL5200. Strongest stuff in the world. Just about impossible to remove. You might make a hack saw frame but with the blade at 90 degrees to a normal one. Slowly cut between the cabin roof and tabernacle. At some point you can apply a rotational motion and should get it off. You will Have an ugly scarred area. Research to see if they have come up with a solvent for 5200. If so, use that rather than the butchery method. Good luck. Chris Geankoplis Enosis. On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 21:51, Jesse Shumaker wrote: > Hi, I'm attempting to remove the mast tabernacle in order to install the > Dwyer Halyard Organizer plate (part DH288). The three screws came out > easily, but the tabernacle is still attached very strongly with an > adhesive. I don't know what adhesive was used. The adhesive is colored > white. I tried heating up the plate with a soldering iron and tried to > squeeze in a razor but have been unable to break the seal. > > I would appreciate any tips from the group on how to free the tabernacle > from the cabin top. Thanks in advance for any advice! > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Tue Oct 27 10:03:10 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 10:03:10 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle In-Reply-To: <4CB575CB-60A1-42B2-A803-50C8A9783E7E@stottarchitecture.com> References: <4CB575CB-60A1-42B2-A803-50C8A9783E7E@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: <004b01d6ac69$ea7ccf80$bf766e80$@ca> Where something is adhering to fiberglass with 5200 I think a sufficient whack to break the bond is likely to remove the gel coat before the bond breaks. A whack might work for a metal to metal bond but I would still be very careful especially for something like cast aluminum. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Ric Stott Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 8:09 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle Careful wack with Rubber mallet!! Ric Dadventure Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 26, 2020, at 11:43 PM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: > > ?Hey Jesse, > Sounds like PL5200. Strongest stuff in the world. Just about impossible to > remove. You might make a hack saw frame but with the blade at 90 degrees to > a normal one. Slowly cut between the cabin roof and tabernacle. At some > point you can apply a rotational motion and should get it off. You will > Have an ugly scarred area. Research to see if they have come up with a > solvent for 5200. If so, use that rather than the butchery method. Good > luck. > > Chris Geankoplis > Enosis. > >> On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 21:51, Jesse Shumaker >> wrote: >> >> Hi, I'm attempting to remove the mast tabernacle in order to install the >> Dwyer Halyard Organizer plate (part DH288). The three screws came out >> easily, but the tabernacle is still attached very strongly with an >> adhesive. I don't know what adhesive was used. The adhesive is colored >> white. I tried heating up the plate with a soldering iron and tried to >> squeeze in a razor but have been unable to break the seal. >> >> I would appreciate any tips from the group on how to free the tabernacle >> from the cabin top. Thanks in advance for any advice! >> >> Jesse Shumaker >> S/V Zephyr >> From mark at whipplefamily.com Tue Oct 27 10:28:15 2020 From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 10:28:15 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle In-Reply-To: <004b01d6ac69$ea7ccf80$bf766e80$@ca> References: <4CB575CB-60A1-42B2-A803-50C8A9783E7E@stottarchitecture.com> <004b01d6ac69$ea7ccf80$bf766e80$@ca> Message-ID: I've read that if you take a strong, thin wire like piano wire you can slowly cut through the 5200 (AKA Devil's Glue). Don't know if heating it would help. I've never needed to try this so if you do let us know how it goes. About the only legit use I've heard of for 5200 is a hull-to-deck joint. That's something that you hope you'll never have to disassemble. Good luck, Mark Boston, MA 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 10:03 AM Graham Stewart wrote: > Where something is adhering to fiberglass with 5200 I think a sufficient > whack to break the bond is likely to remove the gel coat before the bond > breaks. A whack might work for a metal to metal bond but I would still be > very careful especially for something like cast aluminum. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of Ric Stott > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 8:09 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle > > Careful wack with Rubber mallet!! > Ric > Dadventure > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 26, 2020, at 11:43 PM, Chris Geankoplis < > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > ?Hey Jesse, > > Sounds like PL5200. Strongest stuff in the world. Just about impossible > to > > remove. You might make a hack saw frame but with the blade at 90 degrees > to > > a normal one. Slowly cut between the cabin roof and tabernacle. At some > > point you can apply a rotational motion and should get it off. You will > > Have an ugly scarred area. Research to see if they have come up with a > > solvent for 5200. If so, use that rather than the butchery method. Good > > luck. > > > > Chris Geankoplis > > Enosis. > > > >> On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 21:51, Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> Hi, I'm attempting to remove the mast tabernacle in order to install the > >> Dwyer Halyard Organizer plate (part DH288). The three screws came out > >> easily, but the tabernacle is still attached very strongly with an > >> adhesive. I don't know what adhesive was used. The adhesive is colored > >> white. I tried heating up the plate with a soldering iron and tried to > >> squeeze in a razor but have been unable to break the seal. > >> > >> I would appreciate any tips from the group on how to free the tabernacle > >> from the cabin top. Thanks in advance for any advice! > >> > >> Jesse Shumaker > >> S/V Zephyr > >> > > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Tue Oct 27 10:37:54 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 14:37:54 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Jesse, The attached article is from the Dec 13, 2016 issue of Practical Sailor magazine. Based on their testing, they recommend Re-Mov and BoatLife Release for breaking the polyurethane adhesive bond between metal and gelcoat. Neither product worked very fast on polyurethane and required repeated applications and some scraping. I have no personal experience with either product. Good Luck! Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium PS Tests Adhesive Removers Re-Mov gives 100% bond strength after silicone removal. estaff Published:December 13, 2016 0 [cid:image001.jpg at 01D6AC4C.102C9EE0] Many years ago, one of our editors had an old wooden boat with lovely wooden handrails just inside the companionway that his sailing partner decided could use new varnish. The original coat, which was peeling around the base and worn where hands had gripped it, was sanded smooth and meticulously coated with varnish. Subsequent coats were applied according to the process that had served well for years-varnish, scuff, wipe, varnish, scuff, wipe . . . repeat. [aluminum hatch] The handrails looked beautiful, until about a week later when wrinkling, peeling, and lifting was noticed at the base. The problem was blamed on the varnish, a local brand purchased in Cartagena, Colombia, where the boat was at the time. The handrails were left alone until they could track down a more reputable varnish. When it failed the same way, it became obvious that the varnish was not at fault. Only later did they discover that the handrails, installed by a previous owner, had at one point been bedded in silicone caulk. Even with all the sanding and prepping, enough traces remained to interfere with the adhesion of the varnish at the base. Silicone caulk is notorious for wreaking havoc with the adhesion of sealants and paint. In fact, you will probably find that new silicone bedding does not bond well to surfaces that have been supposedly scrubbed clean. The trouble is that old silicone can be deeply embedded in the pores of gelcoat and wood, invisible to the naked eye. Instead of silicone, many boaters prefer polyurethane, polysulfide (not compatible with acrylic or Lexan), and butyl caulks because they last longer, leak less, and do not leave behind a residue that will hinder adhesion. But as we saw in our recent report on caulks (see Marine Sealant Adhesion Test, PS December 2016 online), silicone is a versatile sealant and is particularly effective when sealing glazing for portlights and hatches. The retreat to polyurethane adhesive sealants, such as 3M 5200, raises another bonding issue. They work too good. As weve seen in a number of previous tests, 3M 5200-considered by many to be the gold standard for bedding underwater fittings-is not the best choice for fittings that you may want to re-bed. What many people don't realize is that 3M 5200 is considered a semi-permanent adhesive-sealant with an emphasis on adhesive. Its grip is so tenacious that it can pull gelcoat right off the deck when hardware is pried loose. It is particularly well suited for through-hulls, but for bedding most deck hardware, there are better solutions. (See The Great Stickup: Practical Sailor Tests Marine Adhesives, Caulks, and Sealants, PS August 2010 online.) Pondering the adhesive-sealant conundrum, the same questions kept coming back to us. Can we still use silicone products for those jobs that they do best, like sealing plastic and glass glazing, without jeopardizing future repairs? Is there not a solvent that would remove the silicone residue when it came time to varnish or re-bed? And what about removing 5200 or similar high-strength adhesives? Would any solvent that is aggressive enough to soften these caulks also damage the substrate? What We Tested To answer these questions, we mounted a product test of adhesive removers. The test field included the obvious choices, xylene and acetone-solvents commonly used in the marine industry for removing contaminants and prepping surfaces for new paint-from the familiar hardware-store brand Kleen Strip. The focus of the test field were five products that makers claim will remove any trace of silicone and polyurethane caulks: BoatLife Release, designed to simplify the removal of a wide range of adhesives; Marine Formula DeBond, a patented chemical product to remove polyurethane adhesive-sealants such as 3M 5200; Un-Hesive, another patented product used to remove cured polyurethane adhesive; Re-Mov, a product that claims to break the bond of most commercial adhesives; and Lift-Off Silicone Caulk and Foam Sealant Remover (FSR), from Motsenbocker, a company that offers a wide range of adhesive removers. None of the products we tested claim to dissolve the caulk, they simply break the bond with the substrate. All suggest that the process may require several applications and a specific dwell time (wait period before scraping or re-application) of up to 30 minutes. How We Tested Our first test was simply to compare ease of use, to see how quickly and easily they removed the visible remnants of silicone. For this, we used a hatch that was in need of a lens replacement. We applied each product to a taped-off section of the hatch and allowed it to soak, according to the instructions. We then followed the makers instructions, following the chemical application with tools designed to help physically break the bond. We used tools that have served well on similar projects, a razor knife, a wire brush, and a hose hook, which resembles a bent ice pick. (See Hose Fitting Tips, PS May 2016 online.) After comparing the performance on the six taped-off sections, we used the most effective product to clean the entire frame and set it aside for reglazing. The reglazed hatch will be incorporated into a long-term test against untreated controls to determine whether acrylic/aluminum adhesion is in any way compromised or improved over time. To test the removers debonding effectiveness on gelcoated surfaces (as well as any potential harm to gelcoat), we covered six gelcoated, 1/8-inch-thick fiberglass coupons with a thin layer of 3M Marine Silicone Caulk. Six other identical coupons were coated with 3M 4200 Fast Cure polyurethane caulk. Testers let the bonded coupons cure for six weeks, then treated each coupon with an adhesive remover, making three applications 30 minutes apart. We examined the samples after each application, gently testing adhesion. After the final application of each product, we began scraping one side of each coupon with a plastic scraper to compare ease of removal. If we were able to remove most of the caulk from a coupon, we cleaned more aggressively using a wire brush by hand. We then added a second application of the same caulk remover, and finally, we cleaned the coupon with soap and water. Any coupon that came reasonably clean was then bonded to an identical, untreated coupon using either 3M Marine Silicone or 3M 4200. Observations Neither acetone nor xylene had any measurable effect on either silicone or polyurethane, so that is all well say about them here. On the aluminum hatch frame, all five of the dedicated caulk removers significantly weakened the bond of the silicone caulk and helped reduce prep time, but Re-Mov performed the best. We used Re-Mov to do the final cleaning on our aluminum hatch frame and were impressed with the result. On the fiberglass/gelcoat coupons, BoatLife Release, DeBond, and Re-Mov softened the silicone and loosened the edges after the initial treatment and scraping. However, when we began scraping the coupons with a soft plastic scraper after the second treatment, the Re-Mov sample was clean after just a few strokes, with only traces of silicone remaining. A third application of Re-Mov and a little scrubbing with a regular toothbrush removed 100 percent of the remaining caulk. BoatLife Release made it much easier to scrape away the silicone caulk, but considerable residue was left in the depressions. Even after retreatment with BoatLife Release and vigorous scrubbing, it was clear that only aggressive and potentially damaging methods such as a wire brush or grinding would remove the rest of the silicone. In the end, only the Re-Mov and BoatLife Release coupons advanced to the bonding test. Although vendors claimed their products were highly effective on polyurethanes, our experience didn't match the claims. After the first application to the fiberglass coupons, we saw little change in adhesion. However, after repeated applications 15 to 30 minutes apart, we met success. With the aid of a razor knife and some hand scrubbing with a wire brush, Re-Mov and BoatLife Release were able to get down to a bare surface with minimal gelcoat damage. Of the two, the BoatLife Release was the most effective on polyurethane. We also tried using the test products to release the bond between of two of our sample gelcoat/ fiberglass coupons bonded with high-strength polyurethanes. No matter which product we used, the samples simply could not be separated without breaking the relatively fragile coupons. After test-followup conversations with some adhesive-remover makers, weve decided to re-test all of the products on fiberglass-to-fiberglass bonds made with 3Ms 5200. Look for an update on these results in an upcoming issue. All of the products were more effective at breaking the bond between polyurethane adhesive and aluminum. Two polyurethane adhesives, 3M 5200 and 3M 4200, could be released from aluminum using any of the removers. However, none of the products could break the bond between aluminum and Loctite PL S40 or Loctite Marine Caulk. Our final test proved that at least one product could remove silicone without compromising subsequent adhesion. The fiberglass/gelcoat coupons that had been treated with Re-Mov and BoatLife Release were thoroughly scrubbed and washed with soap and water and then bonded to identical, untreated textured gelcoat/fiberglass coupons. The samples were allowed cure for eight weeks and then pulled to failure. The BoatLife Release yielded results that fell short of the bond strength between untreated surfaces, but Re-Mov impressed us by restoring full bond strength to the silicone-contaminated surface. BoatLife Release This product comes in a convenient spray bottle and is advertised for its ability to remove cured sealants from fiberglass, wood, metal, and glass. It also is supposed to work on residue from decals, tapes, labels, and other adhesives, and is safe to use on most carpeted, vinyl, plastic, and painted surfaces. When attacking the aluminum hatch and the textured fiberglass samples, BoatLife Release quickly softened the caulk, and some of it began peeling. But after three applications, 15 minutes apart, it was clear that it wasnt releasing the bond completely, and that aggressive cleaning with a wire brush would be needed. It was moderately effective on polyurethane. Bottom line: BoatLife Release is recommended for tough jobs involving polyurethane. It finished in second place for overall performance. Motsenbocker Lift-Off Motsenbackers Lift-Off Silicone Caulk and Foam Spray Remover comes in a spray bottle, but it is a gelled liquid that must be spread around with a brush or plastic spreader. It was more effective than xylene and acetone when cleaning the aluminum hatch frame, but was completely ineffective on textured fiberglass. Bottom line: Lift-Off does not compare well to other products in this category. [cid:image001.jpg at 01D6AC4C.102C9EE0] Re-Mov Silicone and Adhesive Remover This remover was our most effective overall for removing both silicone caulk residue and polyurethane adhesive. According to the maker, Re-Mov will debond polyurethane-bedded hardware even if it has been in place for years. While we found it a bit slower acting than other products, the end results were truly impressive. Two applications, 15 minutes apart, a few quick passes with a plastic scraper, 20 seconds scrubbing with a bristle brush, and a good wash with soap and water, eliminated all the silicone from a textured deck, allowing it to match original bond strength. If we had a bonding or coating job in which silicone contamination of the surface was suspected, this would be our antidote. Polyurethane caulk was a tougher challenge, but it did allow us to remove the caulk without damaging the gelcoat. Bottom line: Re-Mov is the PS Best Choice and Budget Buy for removing silicone or polyurethane caulk. Un-Hesive Un-Hesive is advertised to be specifically formulated to release the bond of extremely potent polyurethane adhesive sealants such as 3M 5200 and Sikaflex. Makers claim it breaks the grip of these polyurethane adhesives without material breakdown. It is meant to be sprayed on, and the cured sealant is to be easily peeled off. Our own experience fell short of expectations. Bottom line: Un-Hesive made it easier to clean the aluminum hatch, but its poor performance on textured fiberglass dulled our enthusiasm. It was not effective on polyurethane caulk. DeBond The lone aerosol in the group, Marine Formula DeBond is the signature product of DeBond Corp., one of the first companies to put these types of products into the hands of do-it-yourselfers. DeBonds claims specifically targeted 3M 5200. In our tests, it helped a little when dealing with silicone caulk, but it was not very effective on polyurethane. Bottom line: Were withholding a final rating on DeBond pending the results of our 5200/fiberglass re-test. Conclusion Based on our experience with a couple of these products, we see no good reason to ban silicone from the boat, or to rev up the grinder every time you pull up a 5200-bedded stanchion. Re-Mov is the clear winner in the silicone-caulk removal category, but youll need a little patience. Wait 15 to 25 minutes before attacking the adhesive with a scraper. If polyurethanes are the bane of your current project, reach for the BoatLife Release, but expect that it is still going to be hard work, with considerable scraping and other mechanical efforts to remove the final traces. Caulk Removers [cid:image003.jpg at 01D6AC4C.102C9EE0] Contacts ? Boatlife ? DeBond ? Motsenbocker ? North Star ? Re-Mov Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Jesse Shumaker Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 9:51 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle Hi, I'm attempting to remove the mast tabernacle in order to install the Dwyer Halyard Organizer plate (part DH288). The three screws came out easily, but the tabernacle is still attached very strongly with an adhesive. I don't know what adhesive was used. The adhesive is colored white. I tried heating up the plate with a soldering iron and tried to squeeze in a razor but have been unable to break the seal. I would appreciate any tips from the group on how to free the tabernacle from the cabin top. Thanks in advance for any advice! Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Based on their testing, they recommend Re-Mov and BoatLife > Release for breaking the polyurethane adhesive bond between metal and > gelcoat. Neither product worked very fast on polyurethane and required > repeated applications and some scraping. I have no personal experience > with either product. Good Luck! > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > PS Tests Adhesive Removers > > Re-Mov gives 100% bond strength after silicone removal. > estaff > Published:December 13, 2016 > 0< > https://www.practical-sailor.com/boat-maintenance/ps-tests-adhesive-removers#respond > > > < > https://www.facebook.com/sharer.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.practical-sailor.com%2Fboat-maintenance%2Fps-tests-adhesive-removers > > > < > https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?text=PS+Tests+Adhesive+Removers&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.practical-sailor.com%2Fboat-maintenance%2Fps-tests-adhesive-removers&via=Practical+Sailor > > > https://www.practical-sailor.com/boat-maintenance/ps-tests-adhesive-removers > > > < > https://www.practical-sailor.com/boat-maintenance/ps-tests-adhesive-removers > > > > [cid:image001.jpg at 01D6AC4C.102C9EE0]< > https://s30384.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/p1b3sc94ue13941ps41g391aka1c586.jpg > > > > Many years ago, one of our editors had an old wooden boat with lovely > wooden handrails just inside the companionway that his sailing partner > decided could use new varnish. The original coat, which was peeling around > the base and worn where hands had gripped it, was sanded smooth and > meticulously coated with varnish. Subsequent coats were applied according > to the process that had served well for years-varnish, scuff, wipe, > varnish, scuff, wipe . . . repeat. > [aluminum hatch] > > The handrails looked beautiful, until about a week later when wrinkling, > peeling, and lifting was noticed at the base. The problem was blamed on the > varnish, a local brand purchased in Cartagena, Colombia, where the boat was > at the time. The handrails were left alone until they could track down a > more reputable varnish. When it failed the same way, it became obvious that > the varnish was not at fault. Only later did they discover that the > handrails, installed by a previous owner, had at one point been bedded in > silicone caulk. Even with all the sanding and prepping, enough traces > remained to interfere with the adhesion of the varnish at the base. > > Silicone caulk is notorious for wreaking havoc with the adhesion of > sealants and paint. In fact, you will probably find that new silicone > bedding does not bond well to surfaces that have been supposedly scrubbed > clean. The trouble is that old silicone can be deeply embedded in the pores > of gelcoat and wood, invisible to the naked eye. > > Instead of silicone, many boaters prefer polyurethane, polysulfide (not > compatible with acrylic or Lexan), and butyl caulks because they last > longer, leak less, and do not leave behind a residue that will hinder > adhesion. But as we saw in our recent report on caulks (see Marine Sealant > Adhesion Test, PS December 2016 online), silicone is a versatile sealant > and is particularly effective when sealing glazing for portlights and > hatches. > > The retreat to polyurethane adhesive sealants, such as 3M 5200, raises > another bonding issue. They work too good. As weve seen in a number of > previous tests, 3M 5200-considered by many to be the gold standard for > bedding underwater fittings-is not the best choice for fittings that you > may want to re-bed. > > What many people don't realize is that 3M 5200 is considered a > semi-permanent adhesive-sealant with an emphasis on adhesive. Its grip is > so tenacious that it can pull gelcoat right off the deck when hardware is > pried loose. It is particularly well suited for through-hulls, but for > bedding most deck hardware, there are better solutions. (See The Great > Stickup: Practical Sailor Tests Marine Adhesives, Caulks, and Sealants< > http://www.practical-sailor.com/issues/36_8/features/Marine-Adhesives-Caulks_5953-1.html>, > PS August 2010 online.) > > Pondering the adhesive-sealant conundrum, the same questions kept coming > back to us. Can we still use silicone products for those jobs that they do > best, like sealing plastic and glass glazing, without jeopardizing future > repairs? Is there not a solvent that would remove the silicone residue when > it came time to varnish or re-bed? And what about removing 5200 or similar > high-strength adhesives? Would any solvent that is aggressive enough to > soften these caulks also damage the substrate? > > What We Tested > > To answer these questions, we mounted a product test of adhesive removers. > The test field included the obvious choices, xylene and acetone-solvents > commonly used in the marine industry for removing contaminants and prepping > surfaces for new paint-from the familiar hardware-store brand Kleen Strip. > > The focus of the test field were five products that makers claim will > remove any trace of silicone and polyurethane caulks: BoatLife Release, > designed to simplify the removal of a wide range of adhesives; Marine > Formula DeBond, a patented chemical product to remove polyurethane > adhesive-sealants such as 3M 5200; Un-Hesive, another patented product used > to remove cured polyurethane adhesive; Re-Mov, a product that claims to > break the bond of most commercial adhesives; and Lift-Off Silicone Caulk > and Foam Sealant Remover (FSR), from Motsenbocker, a company that offers a > wide range of adhesive removers. > > None of the products we tested claim to dissolve the caulk, they simply > break the bond with the substrate. All suggest that the process may require > several applications and a specific dwell time (wait period before scraping > or re-application) of up to 30 minutes. > > How We Tested > > Our first test was simply to compare ease of use, to see how quickly and > easily they removed the visible remnants of silicone. For this, we used a > hatch that was in need of a lens replacement. > > We applied each product to a taped-off section of the hatch and allowed it > to soak, according to the instructions. We then followed the makers > instructions, following the chemical application with tools designed to > help physically break the bond. We used tools that have served well on > similar projects, a razor knife, a wire brush, and a hose hook, which > resembles a bent ice pick. (See Hose Fitting Tips< > http://www.practical-sailor.com/issues/37_65/features/Hose-Fitting-Tips_11997-1.html>, > PS May 2016 online.) After comparing the performance on the six taped-off > sections, we used the most effective product to clean the entire frame and > set it aside for reglazing. The reglazed hatch will be incorporated into a > long-term test against untreated controls to determine whether > acrylic/aluminum adhesion is in any way compromised or improved over time. > > To test the removers debonding effectiveness on gelcoated surfaces (as > well as any potential harm to gelcoat), we covered six gelcoated, > 1/8-inch-thick fiberglass coupons with a thin layer of 3M Marine Silicone > Caulk. Six other identical coupons were coated with 3M 4200 Fast Cure > polyurethane caulk. Testers let the bonded coupons cure for six weeks, then > treated each coupon with an adhesive remover, making three applications 30 > minutes apart. We examined the samples after each application, gently > testing adhesion. > > After the final application of each product, we began scraping one side of > each coupon with a plastic scraper to compare ease of removal. If we were > able to remove most of the caulk from a coupon, we cleaned more > aggressively using a wire brush by hand. We then added a second application > of the same caulk remover, and finally, we cleaned the coupon with soap and > water. Any coupon that came reasonably clean was then bonded to an > identical, untreated coupon using either 3M Marine Silicone or 3M 4200. > > Observations > > Neither acetone nor xylene had any measurable effect on either silicone or > polyurethane, so that is all well say about them here. On the aluminum > hatch frame, all five of the dedicated caulk removers significantly > weakened the bond of the silicone caulk and helped reduce prep time, but > Re-Mov performed the best. We used Re-Mov to do the final cleaning on our > aluminum hatch frame and were impressed with the result. > > On the fiberglass/gelcoat coupons, BoatLife Release, DeBond, and Re-Mov > softened the silicone and loosened the edges after the initial treatment > and scraping. However, when we began scraping the coupons with a soft > plastic scraper after the second treatment, the Re-Mov sample was clean > after just a few strokes, with only traces of silicone remaining. A third > application of Re-Mov and a little scrubbing with a regular toothbrush > removed 100 percent of the remaining caulk. > > BoatLife Release made it much easier to scrape away the silicone caulk, > but considerable residue was left in the depressions. Even after > retreatment with BoatLife Release and vigorous scrubbing, it was clear that > only aggressive and potentially damaging methods such as a wire brush or > grinding would remove the rest of the silicone. In the end, only the Re-Mov > and BoatLife Release coupons advanced to the bonding test. > > Although vendors claimed their products were highly effective on > polyurethanes, our experience didn't match the claims. After the first > application to the fiberglass coupons, we saw little change in adhesion. > However, after repeated applications 15 to 30 minutes apart, we met > success. With the aid of a razor knife and some hand scrubbing with a wire > brush, Re-Mov and BoatLife Release were able to get down to a bare surface > with minimal gelcoat damage. Of the two, the BoatLife Release was the most > effective on polyurethane. > > We also tried using the test products to release the bond between of two > of our sample gelcoat/ fiberglass coupons bonded with high-strength > polyurethanes. No matter which product we used, the samples simply could > not be separated without breaking the relatively fragile coupons. > > After test-followup conversations with some adhesive-remover makers, weve > decided to re-test all of the products on fiberglass-to-fiberglass bonds > made with 3Ms 5200. Look for an update on these results in an upcoming > issue. > > All of the products were more effective at breaking the bond between > polyurethane adhesive and aluminum. Two polyurethane adhesives, 3M 5200 and > 3M 4200, could be released from aluminum using any of the removers. > However, none of the products could break the bond between aluminum and > Loctite PL S40 or Loctite Marine Caulk. > > Our final test proved that at least one product could remove silicone > without compromising subsequent adhesion. The fiberglass/gelcoat coupons > that had been treated with Re-Mov and BoatLife Release were thoroughly > scrubbed and washed with soap and water and then bonded to identical, > untreated textured gelcoat/fiberglass coupons. The samples were allowed > cure for eight weeks and then pulled to failure. The BoatLife Release > yielded results that fell short of the bond strength between untreated > surfaces, but Re-Mov impressed us by restoring full bond strength to the > silicone-contaminated surface. > > BoatLife Release > > This product comes in a convenient spray bottle and is advertised for its > ability to remove cured sealants from fiberglass, wood, metal, and glass. > It also is supposed to work on residue from decals, tapes, labels, and > other adhesives, and is safe to use on most carpeted, vinyl, plastic, and > painted surfaces. When attacking the aluminum hatch and the textured > fiberglass samples, BoatLife Release quickly softened the caulk, and some > of it began peeling. But after three applications, 15 minutes apart, it was > clear that it wasnt releasing the bond completely, and that aggressive > cleaning with a wire brush would be needed. It was moderately effective on > polyurethane. > > Bottom line: BoatLife Release is recommended for tough jobs involving > polyurethane. It finished in second place for overall performance. > > Motsenbocker Lift-Off > > Motsenbackers Lift-Off Silicone Caulk and Foam Spray Remover comes in a > spray bottle, but it is a gelled liquid that must be spread around with a > brush or plastic spreader. It was more effective than xylene and acetone > when cleaning the aluminum hatch frame, but was completely ineffective on > textured fiberglass. > > Bottom line: Lift-Off does not compare well to other products in this > category. > [cid:image001.jpg at 01D6AC4C.102C9EE0] > Re-Mov Silicone and Adhesive Remover > > This remover was our most effective overall for removing both silicone > caulk residue and polyurethane adhesive. According to the maker, Re-Mov > will debond polyurethane-bedded hardware even if it has been in place for > years. While we found it a bit slower acting than other products, the end > results were truly impressive. Two applications, 15 minutes apart, a few > quick passes with a plastic scraper, 20 seconds scrubbing with a bristle > brush, and a good wash with soap and water, eliminated all the silicone > from a textured deck, allowing it to match original bond strength. > > If we had a bonding or coating job in which silicone contamination of the > surface was suspected, this would be our antidote. Polyurethane caulk was a > tougher challenge, but it did allow us to remove the caulk without damaging > the gelcoat. > > Bottom line: Re-Mov is the PS Best Choice and Budget Buy for removing > silicone or polyurethane caulk. > > Un-Hesive > > Un-Hesive is advertised to be specifically formulated to release the bond > of extremely potent polyurethane adhesive sealants such as 3M 5200 and > Sikaflex. Makers claim it breaks the grip of these polyurethane adhesives > without material breakdown. It is meant to be sprayed on, and the cured > sealant is to be easily peeled off. Our own experience fell short of > expectations. > > Bottom line: Un-Hesive made it easier to clean the aluminum hatch, but its > poor performance on textured fiberglass dulled our enthusiasm. It was not > effective on polyurethane caulk. > > DeBond > > The lone aerosol in the group, Marine Formula DeBond is the signature > product of DeBond Corp., one of the first companies to put these types of > products into the hands of do-it-yourselfers. DeBonds claims specifically > targeted 3M 5200. In our tests, it helped a little when dealing with > silicone caulk, but it was not very effective on polyurethane. > > Bottom line: Were withholding a final rating on DeBond pending the results > of our 5200/fiberglass re-test. > > Conclusion > > Based on our experience with a couple of these products, we see no good > reason to ban silicone from the boat, or to rev up the grinder every time > you pull up a 5200-bedded stanchion. Re-Mov is the clear winner in the > silicone-caulk removal category, but youll need a little patience. Wait 15 > to 25 minutes before attacking the adhesive with a scraper. If > polyurethanes are the bane of your current project, reach for the BoatLife > Release, but expect that it is still going to be hard work, with > considerable scraping and other mechanical efforts to remove the final > traces. > Caulk Removers > [cid:image003.jpg at 01D6AC4C.102C9EE0] > Contacts > ? Boatlife > ? DeBond > ? Motsenbocker > ? North Star > ? Re-Mov > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Jesse Shumaker > Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 9:51 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle > > Hi, I'm attempting to remove the mast tabernacle in order to install the > Dwyer Halyard Organizer plate (part DH288). The three screws came out > easily, but the tabernacle is still attached very strongly with an > adhesive. I don't know what adhesive was used. The adhesive is colored > white. I tried heating up the plate with a soldering iron and tried to > squeeze in a razor but have been unable to break the seal. > > I would appreciate any tips from the group on how to free the tabernacle > from the cabin top. Thanks in advance for any advice! > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 4E1D0A3AF09C4F93BFB5A230C468B0CA.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 35407 bytes > Desc: 4E1D0A3AF09C4F93BFB5A230C468B0CA.jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201027/2fa3e4dd/attachment.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: E59E01FBC1034C7AB266607A62717808.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 81188 bytes > Desc: E59E01FBC1034C7AB266607A62717808.jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201027/2fa3e4dd/attachment-0001.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: F79E75072ADC44FC883FBEF1EC725EE3.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 146922 bytes > Desc: F79E75072ADC44FC883FBEF1EC725EE3.jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201027/2fa3e4dd/attachment-0002.jpg > > > From ric at stottarchitecture.com Tue Oct 27 11:05:17 2020 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 11:05:17 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well - with this library of knowledge, there are lots of scientific solutions to consider - If the hammer doesn?t work. Can?t wait to find out what happens in the next chapter. Ric Dadventure PS I hauled Dadventure yesterday evening for the 2nd time on my rebuilt trailer. I?ve always had a commercial guy for launch and retrial who would pick it up and deliver it back to my driveway. I used the crane set-up that I got for free from Ted DeSantis, near Cape May, NJ a few weeks ago. (Thanks Ted) I had to rebuild the deck connector, but the system worked great. Went smooth and easy except I didn?t get enough weight forward and the tongue was ?light?. Since I only had a mile to drive, I didn?t need to re-launch like I did last year when I poked the Center Board through the CB CAP because it was not locked in its cam-cleat when I re-lauched. That - was a tough, expensive and time consuming lesson. Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP www.stottarchitecture.com Office 631-283-1777 Cell 516-965-3164 > On Oct 27, 2020, at 10:37 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > Hi Jesse, > > The attached article is from the Dec 13, 2016 issue of Practical Sailor magazine. Based on their testing, they recommend Re-Mov and BoatLife Release for breaking the polyurethane adhesive bond between metal and gelcoat. Neither product worked very fast on polyurethane and required repeated applications and some scraping. I have no personal experience with either product. Good Luck! > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > PS Tests Adhesive Removers > > Re-Mov gives 100% bond strength after silicone removal. > estaff > Published:December 13, 2016 > 0 > > > > > > [cid:image001.jpg at 01D6AC4C.102C9EE0] > > Many years ago, one of our editors had an old wooden boat with lovely wooden handrails just inside the companionway that his sailing partner decided could use new varnish. The original coat, which was peeling around the base and worn where hands had gripped it, was sanded smooth and meticulously coated with varnish. Subsequent coats were applied according to the process that had served well for years-varnish, scuff, wipe, varnish, scuff, wipe . . . repeat. > [aluminum hatch] > > The handrails looked beautiful, until about a week later when wrinkling, peeling, and lifting was noticed at the base. The problem was blamed on the varnish, a local brand purchased in Cartagena, Colombia, where the boat was at the time. The handrails were left alone until they could track down a more reputable varnish. When it failed the same way, it became obvious that the varnish was not at fault. Only later did they discover that the handrails, installed by a previous owner, had at one point been bedded in silicone caulk. Even with all the sanding and prepping, enough traces remained to interfere with the adhesion of the varnish at the base. > > Silicone caulk is notorious for wreaking havoc with the adhesion of sealants and paint. In fact, you will probably find that new silicone bedding does not bond well to surfaces that have been supposedly scrubbed clean. The trouble is that old silicone can be deeply embedded in the pores of gelcoat and wood, invisible to the naked eye. > > Instead of silicone, many boaters prefer polyurethane, polysulfide (not compatible with acrylic or Lexan), and butyl caulks because they last longer, leak less, and do not leave behind a residue that will hinder adhesion. But as we saw in our recent report on caulks (see Marine Sealant Adhesion Test, PS December 2016 online), silicone is a versatile sealant and is particularly effective when sealing glazing for portlights and hatches. > > The retreat to polyurethane adhesive sealants, such as 3M 5200, raises another bonding issue. They work too good. As weve seen in a number of previous tests, 3M 5200-considered by many to be the gold standard for bedding underwater fittings-is not the best choice for fittings that you may want to re-bed. > > What many people don't realize is that 3M 5200 is considered a semi-permanent adhesive-sealant with an emphasis on adhesive. Its grip is so tenacious that it can pull gelcoat right off the deck when hardware is pried loose. It is particularly well suited for through-hulls, but for bedding most deck hardware, there are better solutions. (See The Great Stickup: Practical Sailor Tests Marine Adhesives, Caulks, and Sealants, PS August 2010 online.) > > Pondering the adhesive-sealant conundrum, the same questions kept coming back to us. Can we still use silicone products for those jobs that they do best, like sealing plastic and glass glazing, without jeopardizing future repairs? Is there not a solvent that would remove the silicone residue when it came time to varnish or re-bed? And what about removing 5200 or similar high-strength adhesives? Would any solvent that is aggressive enough to soften these caulks also damage the substrate? > > What We Tested > > To answer these questions, we mounted a product test of adhesive removers. The test field included the obvious choices, xylene and acetone-solvents commonly used in the marine industry for removing contaminants and prepping surfaces for new paint-from the familiar hardware-store brand Kleen Strip. > > The focus of the test field were five products that makers claim will remove any trace of silicone and polyurethane caulks: BoatLife Release, designed to simplify the removal of a wide range of adhesives; Marine Formula DeBond, a patented chemical product to remove polyurethane adhesive-sealants such as 3M 5200; Un-Hesive, another patented product used to remove cured polyurethane adhesive; Re-Mov, a product that claims to break the bond of most commercial adhesives; and Lift-Off Silicone Caulk and Foam Sealant Remover (FSR), from Motsenbocker, a company that offers a wide range of adhesive removers. > > None of the products we tested claim to dissolve the caulk, they simply break the bond with the substrate. All suggest that the process may require several applications and a specific dwell time (wait period before scraping or re-application) of up to 30 minutes. > > How We Tested > > Our first test was simply to compare ease of use, to see how quickly and easily they removed the visible remnants of silicone. For this, we used a hatch that was in need of a lens replacement. > > We applied each product to a taped-off section of the hatch and allowed it to soak, according to the instructions. We then followed the makers instructions, following the chemical application with tools designed to help physically break the bond. We used tools that have served well on similar projects, a razor knife, a wire brush, and a hose hook, which resembles a bent ice pick. (See Hose Fitting Tips, PS May 2016 online.) After comparing the performance on the six taped-off sections, we used the most effective product to clean the entire frame and set it aside for reglazing. The reglazed hatch will be incorporated into a long-term test against untreated controls to determine whether acrylic/aluminum adhesion is in any way compromised or improved over time. > > To test the removers debonding effectiveness on gelcoated surfaces (as well as any potential harm to gelcoat), we covered six gelcoated, 1/8-inch-thick fiberglass coupons with a thin layer of 3M Marine Silicone Caulk. Six other identical coupons were coated with 3M 4200 Fast Cure polyurethane caulk. Testers let the bonded coupons cure for six weeks, then treated each coupon with an adhesive remover, making three applications 30 minutes apart. We examined the samples after each application, gently testing adhesion. > > After the final application of each product, we began scraping one side of each coupon with a plastic scraper to compare ease of removal. If we were able to remove most of the caulk from a coupon, we cleaned more aggressively using a wire brush by hand. We then added a second application of the same caulk remover, and finally, we cleaned the coupon with soap and water. Any coupon that came reasonably clean was then bonded to an identical, untreated coupon using either 3M Marine Silicone or 3M 4200. > > Observations > > Neither acetone nor xylene had any measurable effect on either silicone or polyurethane, so that is all well say about them here. On the aluminum hatch frame, all five of the dedicated caulk removers significantly weakened the bond of the silicone caulk and helped reduce prep time, but Re-Mov performed the best. We used Re-Mov to do the final cleaning on our aluminum hatch frame and were impressed with the result. > > On the fiberglass/gelcoat coupons, BoatLife Release, DeBond, and Re-Mov softened the silicone and loosened the edges after the initial treatment and scraping. However, when we began scraping the coupons with a soft plastic scraper after the second treatment, the Re-Mov sample was clean after just a few strokes, with only traces of silicone remaining. A third application of Re-Mov and a little scrubbing with a regular toothbrush removed 100 percent of the remaining caulk. > > BoatLife Release made it much easier to scrape away the silicone caulk, but considerable residue was left in the depressions. Even after retreatment with BoatLife Release and vigorous scrubbing, it was clear that only aggressive and potentially damaging methods such as a wire brush or grinding would remove the rest of the silicone. In the end, only the Re-Mov and BoatLife Release coupons advanced to the bonding test. > > Although vendors claimed their products were highly effective on polyurethanes, our experience didn't match the claims. After the first application to the fiberglass coupons, we saw little change in adhesion. However, after repeated applications 15 to 30 minutes apart, we met success. With the aid of a razor knife and some hand scrubbing with a wire brush, Re-Mov and BoatLife Release were able to get down to a bare surface with minimal gelcoat damage. Of the two, the BoatLife Release was the most effective on polyurethane. > > We also tried using the test products to release the bond between of two of our sample gelcoat/ fiberglass coupons bonded with high-strength polyurethanes. No matter which product we used, the samples simply could not be separated without breaking the relatively fragile coupons. > > After test-followup conversations with some adhesive-remover makers, weve decided to re-test all of the products on fiberglass-to-fiberglass bonds made with 3Ms 5200. Look for an update on these results in an upcoming issue. > > All of the products were more effective at breaking the bond between polyurethane adhesive and aluminum. Two polyurethane adhesives, 3M 5200 and 3M 4200, could be released from aluminum using any of the removers. However, none of the products could break the bond between aluminum and Loctite PL S40 or Loctite Marine Caulk. > > Our final test proved that at least one product could remove silicone without compromising subsequent adhesion. The fiberglass/gelcoat coupons that had been treated with Re-Mov and BoatLife Release were thoroughly scrubbed and washed with soap and water and then bonded to identical, untreated textured gelcoat/fiberglass coupons. The samples were allowed cure for eight weeks and then pulled to failure. The BoatLife Release yielded results that fell short of the bond strength between untreated surfaces, but Re-Mov impressed us by restoring full bond strength to the silicone-contaminated surface. > > BoatLife Release > > This product comes in a convenient spray bottle and is advertised for its ability to remove cured sealants from fiberglass, wood, metal, and glass. It also is supposed to work on residue from decals, tapes, labels, and other adhesives, and is safe to use on most carpeted, vinyl, plastic, and painted surfaces. When attacking the aluminum hatch and the textured fiberglass samples, BoatLife Release quickly softened the caulk, and some of it began peeling. But after three applications, 15 minutes apart, it was clear that it wasnt releasing the bond completely, and that aggressive cleaning with a wire brush would be needed. It was moderately effective on polyurethane. > > Bottom line: BoatLife Release is recommended for tough jobs involving polyurethane. It finished in second place for overall performance. > > Motsenbocker Lift-Off > > Motsenbackers Lift-Off Silicone Caulk and Foam Spray Remover comes in a spray bottle, but it is a gelled liquid that must be spread around with a brush or plastic spreader. It was more effective than xylene and acetone when cleaning the aluminum hatch frame, but was completely ineffective on textured fiberglass. > > Bottom line: Lift-Off does not compare well to other products in this category. > [cid:image001.jpg at 01D6AC4C.102C9EE0] > Re-Mov Silicone and Adhesive Remover > > This remover was our most effective overall for removing both silicone caulk residue and polyurethane adhesive. According to the maker, Re-Mov will debond polyurethane-bedded hardware even if it has been in place for years. While we found it a bit slower acting than other products, the end results were truly impressive. Two applications, 15 minutes apart, a few quick passes with a plastic scraper, 20 seconds scrubbing with a bristle brush, and a good wash with soap and water, eliminated all the silicone from a textured deck, allowing it to match original bond strength. > > If we had a bonding or coating job in which silicone contamination of the surface was suspected, this would be our antidote. Polyurethane caulk was a tougher challenge, but it did allow us to remove the caulk without damaging the gelcoat. > > Bottom line: Re-Mov is the PS Best Choice and Budget Buy for removing silicone or polyurethane caulk. > > Un-Hesive > > Un-Hesive is advertised to be specifically formulated to release the bond of extremely potent polyurethane adhesive sealants such as 3M 5200 and Sikaflex. Makers claim it breaks the grip of these polyurethane adhesives without material breakdown. It is meant to be sprayed on, and the cured sealant is to be easily peeled off. Our own experience fell short of expectations. > > Bottom line: Un-Hesive made it easier to clean the aluminum hatch, but its poor performance on textured fiberglass dulled our enthusiasm. It was not effective on polyurethane caulk. > > DeBond > > The lone aerosol in the group, Marine Formula DeBond is the signature product of DeBond Corp., one of the first companies to put these types of products into the hands of do-it-yourselfers. DeBonds claims specifically targeted 3M 5200. In our tests, it helped a little when dealing with silicone caulk, but it was not very effective on polyurethane. > > Bottom line: Were withholding a final rating on DeBond pending the results of our 5200/fiberglass re-test. > > Conclusion > > Based on our experience with a couple of these products, we see no good reason to ban silicone from the boat, or to rev up the grinder every time you pull up a 5200-bedded stanchion. Re-Mov is the clear winner in the silicone-caulk removal category, but youll need a little patience. Wait 15 to 25 minutes before attacking the adhesive with a scraper. If polyurethanes are the bane of your current project, reach for the BoatLife Release, but expect that it is still going to be hard work, with considerable scraping and other mechanical efforts to remove the final traces. > Caulk Removers > [cid:image003.jpg at 01D6AC4C.102C9EE0] > Contacts > ? Boatlife > ? DeBond > ? Motsenbocker > ? North Star > ? Re-Mov > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Jesse Shumaker > Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 9:51 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle > > Hi, I'm attempting to remove the mast tabernacle in order to install the > Dwyer Halyard Organizer plate (part DH288). The three screws came out > easily, but the tabernacle is still attached very strongly with an > adhesive. I don't know what adhesive was used. The adhesive is colored > white. I tried heating up the plate with a soldering iron and tried to > squeeze in a razor but have been unable to break the seal. > > I would appreciate any tips from the group on how to free the tabernacle > from the cabin top. Thanks in advance for any advice! > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 4E1D0A3AF09C4F93BFB5A230C468B0CA.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 35407 bytes > Desc: 4E1D0A3AF09C4F93BFB5A230C468B0CA.jpg > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: E59E01FBC1034C7AB266607A62717808.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 81188 bytes > Desc: E59E01FBC1034C7AB266607A62717808.jpg > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: F79E75072ADC44FC883FBEF1EC725EE3.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 146922 bytes > Desc: F79E75072ADC44FC883FBEF1EC725EE3.jpg > URL: From mweisner at ebsmed.com Tue Oct 27 14:45:44 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 14:45:44 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 1995 Rhodes 22 for sale In-Reply-To: <311867922.2991395.1603559635986@mail.yahoo.com> References: <311867922.2991395.1603559635986.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <311867922.2991395.1603559635986@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005301d6ac91$620c7fb0$26257f10$@ebsmed.com> Eric, I have a trip planned to Boca Raton in the next few months. I can drive my Nissan Xterra and pick up the boat, motor & trailer on the way back to NY. The admiral will have my head as I finally got my fleet down to a single R22, but .... Do you have any pictures. Do you have a price range in mind? Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I?d rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of eric w. smith via Rhodes22-list Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 1:14 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 1995 Rhodes 22 for sale Listmates, I have a 1995 Rhodes 22 that I have to sell due to health reasons. She has been recycled through General Boats twice, once in 2005 when I bought her and then again in 2016. Sails are from 2016 as is all working rigging, stays, etc. Sale includes new bimini (2020) and 2005 Johnson 8hp 4 stroke completely rebuilt in 2019 Triad trailer rebuilt (new brakes, bearings, etc.) in 2019; may need new tires. Lots of extras (vhf radio, life jackets, emergency equipment, fire extinguishers, fenders,etc.) Mast hoist system and extra Johnson 6hp 4 stroke from 2015 (super low hours). Extra tiller. Valuations seem to be all over the place, particularly in these crazy COVID 19 times. If you're interested, make me an offer. I am in Fort Pierce, Florida (Southeast Coast) Eric Smith ews1esq at yahoo.com From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Tue Oct 27 15:07:19 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 15:07:19 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle In-Reply-To: References: <4CB575CB-60A1-42B2-A803-50C8A9783E7E@stottarchitecture.com> <004b01d6ac69$ea7ccf80$bf766e80$@ca> Message-ID: <007601d6ac94$670e8370$352b8a50$@ca> Mark: I wouldn't even use it for the hull-deck joint. In fact I had to break the seal to remove the foredeck on my boat. I may be the only person to ever do that but still I don't think anything is permanent. 5200 and similar are incredible adhesives but if you are primarily interested in a sealant where high adhesive qualities are not the highest priority and if there is any possibility that you might want to break the bond in the future, I would always seek an alternative. 3M 4200 is a very strong adhesive but is easier to remove. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Mark Whipple Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 10:28 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle I've read that if you take a strong, thin wire like piano wire you can slowly cut through the 5200 (AKA Devil's Glue). Don't know if heating it would help. I've never needed to try this so if you do let us know how it goes. About the only legit use I've heard of for 5200 is a hull-to-deck joint. That's something that you hope you'll never have to disassemble. Good luck, Mark Boston, MA 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 10:03 AM Graham Stewart wrote: > Where something is adhering to fiberglass with 5200 I think a sufficient > whack to break the bond is likely to remove the gel coat before the bond > breaks. A whack might work for a metal to metal bond but I would still be > very careful especially for something like cast aluminum. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of Ric Stott > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 8:09 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle > > Careful wack with Rubber mallet!! > Ric > Dadventure > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 26, 2020, at 11:43 PM, Chris Geankoplis < > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > ?Hey Jesse, > > Sounds like PL5200. Strongest stuff in the world. Just about impossible > to > > remove. You might make a hack saw frame but with the blade at 90 degrees > to > > a normal one. Slowly cut between the cabin roof and tabernacle. At some > > point you can apply a rotational motion and should get it off. You will > > Have an ugly scarred area. Research to see if they have come up with a > > solvent for 5200. If so, use that rather than the butchery method. Good > > luck. > > > > Chris Geankoplis > > Enosis. > > > >> On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 21:51, Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> Hi, I'm attempting to remove the mast tabernacle in order to install the > >> Dwyer Halyard Organizer plate (part DH288). The three screws came out > >> easily, but the tabernacle is still attached very strongly with an > >> adhesive. I don't know what adhesive was used. The adhesive is colored > >> white. I tried heating up the plate with a soldering iron and tried to > >> squeeze in a razor but have been unable to break the seal. > >> > >> I would appreciate any tips from the group on how to free the tabernacle > >> from the cabin top. Thanks in advance for any advice! > >> > >> Jesse Shumaker > >> S/V Zephyr > >> > > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Tue Oct 27 15:20:18 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 15:20:18 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle In-Reply-To: <007601d6ac94$670e8370$352b8a50$@ca> References: <4CB575CB-60A1-42B2-A803-50C8A9783E7E@stottarchitecture.com> <004b01d6ac69$ea7ccf80$bf766e80$@ca> <007601d6ac94$670e8370$352b8a50$@ca> Message-ID: <005e01d6ac96$35cb8310$a1628930$@ebsmed.com> I wonder how 3M 5200 compares to adult barnacle attachment secretion which is nearly impossible to break. Maybe Debond would work on barnacles! Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Graham Stewart Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 3:07 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle Mark: I wouldn't even use it for the hull-deck joint. In fact I had to break the seal to remove the foredeck on my boat. I may be the only person to ever do that but still I don't think anything is permanent. 5200 and similar are incredible adhesives but if you are primarily interested in a sealant where high adhesive qualities are not the highest priority and if there is any possibility that you might want to break the bond in the future, I would always seek an alternative. 3M 4200 is a very strong adhesive but is easier to remove. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Mark Whipple Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 10:28 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle I've read that if you take a strong, thin wire like piano wire you can slowly cut through the 5200 (AKA Devil's Glue). Don't know if heating it would help. I've never needed to try this so if you do let us know how it goes. About the only legit use I've heard of for 5200 is a hull-to-deck joint. That's something that you hope you'll never have to disassemble. Good luck, Mark Boston, MA 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 10:03 AM Graham Stewart wrote: > Where something is adhering to fiberglass with 5200 I think a > sufficient whack to break the bond is likely to remove the gel coat > before the bond breaks. A whack might work for a metal to metal bond > but I would still be very careful especially for something like cast aluminum. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Ric Stott > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 8:09 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle > > Careful wack with Rubber mallet!! > Ric > Dadventure > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 26, 2020, at 11:43 PM, Chris Geankoplis < > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > ?Hey Jesse, > > Sounds like PL5200. Strongest stuff in the world. Just about > > impossible > to > > remove. You might make a hack saw frame but with the blade at 90 > > degrees > to > > a normal one. Slowly cut between the cabin roof and tabernacle. At > > some point you can apply a rotational motion and should get it off. > > You will Have an ugly scarred area. Research to see if they have > > come up with a solvent for 5200. If so, use that rather than the > > butchery method. Good luck. > > > > Chris Geankoplis > > Enosis. > > > >> On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 21:51, Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> Hi, I'm attempting to remove the mast tabernacle in order to > >> install the Dwyer Halyard Organizer plate (part DH288). The three > >> screws came out easily, but the tabernacle is still attached very > >> strongly with an adhesive. I don't know what adhesive was used. > >> The adhesive is colored white. I tried heating up the plate with a > >> soldering iron and tried to squeeze in a razor but have been unable to break the seal. > >> > >> I would appreciate any tips from the group on how to free the > >> tabernacle from the cabin top. Thanks in advance for any advice! > >> > >> Jesse Shumaker > >> S/V Zephyr > >> > > From talbotdavid50 at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 17:42:04 2020 From: talbotdavid50 at gmail.com (David Talbot) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 17:42:04 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle In-Reply-To: <005e01d6ac96$35cb8310$a1628930$@ebsmed.com> References: <4CB575CB-60A1-42B2-A803-50C8A9783E7E@stottarchitecture.com> <004b01d6ac69$ea7ccf80$bf766e80$@ca> <007601d6ac94$670e8370$352b8a50$@ca> <005e01d6ac96$35cb8310$a1628930$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: OK I am adding to this as I JUST got through managing a 5200-attached hatch on forward deck STRONGLY recommend you not use mallet or cutting as this can damage the deck. DEBOND (can get via Amazon)works well and is safer Spray a good layer of the debond under one side of the tabernacle and wait a few minutes, then lightly tap wooden wedges into the gap. patience essential here. Spray more in and advance a little bit at a time. It will work, just do not force it or you will split the fiberglass. Will need a sharp chisel to clean off the gel coat Agree that Practical Sailor article very helpful as well On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 3:20 PM, Michael D. Weisner wrote: > I wonder how 3M 5200 compares to adult barnacle attachment secretion which > is nearly impossible to break. > > Maybe Debond would work on barnacles! > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Graham Stewart > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 3:07 PM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle > > Mark: I wouldn't even use it for the hull-deck joint. In fact I had to > break the seal to remove the foredeck on my boat. I may be the only person > to ever do that but still I don't think anything is permanent. 5200 and > similar are incredible adhesives but if you are primarily interested in a > sealant where high adhesive qualities are not the highest priority and if > there is any possibility that you might want to break the bond in the > future, I would always seek an alternative. 3M 4200 is a very strong > adhesive but is easier to remove. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of Mark Whipple > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 10:28 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle > > I've read that if you take a strong, thin wire like piano wire you can > slowly cut through the 5200 (AKA Devil's Glue). Don't know if heating it > would help. I've never needed to try this so if you do let us know how it > goes. > > About the only legit use I've heard of for 5200 is a hull-to-deck joint. > That's something that you hope you'll never have to disassemble. > > Good luck, > > Mark > > Boston, MA > > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* > 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 10:03 AM Graham Stewart > wrote: > > > Where something is adhering to fiberglass with 5200 I think a > > sufficient whack to break the bond is likely to remove the gel coat > > before the bond breaks. A whack might work for a metal to metal bond > > but I would still be very careful especially for something like cast > aluminum. > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > > Behalf Of Ric Stott > > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 8:09 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle > > > > Careful wack with Rubber mallet!! > > Ric > > Dadventure > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Oct 26, 2020, at 11:43 PM, Chris Geankoplis < > > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > ?Hey Jesse, > > > Sounds like PL5200. Strongest stuff in the world. Just about > > > impossible > > to > > > remove. You might make a hack saw frame but with the blade at 90 > > > degrees > > to > > > a normal one. Slowly cut between the cabin roof and tabernacle. At > > > some point you can apply a rotational motion and should get it off. > > > You will Have an ugly scarred area. Research to see if they have > > > come up with a solvent for 5200. If so, use that rather than the > > > butchery method. Good luck. > > > > > > Chris Geankoplis > > > Enosis. > > > > > >> On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 21:51, Jesse Shumaker < > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> Hi, I'm attempting to remove the mast tabernacle in order to > > >> install the Dwyer Halyard Organizer plate (part DH288). The three > > >> screws came out easily, but the tabernacle is still attached very > > >> strongly with an adhesive. I don't know what adhesive was used. > > >> The adhesive is colored white. I tried heating up the plate with a > > >> soldering iron and tried to squeeze in a razor but have been unable > to break the seal. > > >> > > >> I would appreciate any tips from the group on how to free the > > >> tabernacle from the cabin top. Thanks in advance for any advice! > > >> > > >> Jesse Shumaker > > >> S/V Zephyr > > >> > > > > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Wed Oct 28 06:32:18 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 05:32:18 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle In-Reply-To: References: <4CB575CB-60A1-42B2-A803-50C8A9783E7E@stottarchitecture.com> <004b01d6ac69$ea7ccf80$bf766e80$@ca> <007601d6ac94$670e8370$352b8a50$@ca> <005e01d6ac96$35cb8310$a1628930$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Thanks for all the quick responses, links to articles and details of your experiences removing "the devil's glue." It really helps to have the collective knowledge and research of the group! I ordered some Marine Formula DeBond and a razor blade scraper knife. I also made a wooden wedge and have a rubber mallet ready for some *very *gentle taps after patiently waiting for the adhesive remover to go to work. The DeBond should get here on Friday so this will be a weekend project. Until then, I have other boat projects underway to keep me busy when I'm not at work. I'll be sure to follow up this weekend and let you know the (hopefully not gripping) conclusion. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 4:42 PM David Talbot wrote: > OK I am adding to this as I JUST got through managing a 5200-attached hatch > on forward deck > STRONGLY recommend you not use mallet or cutting as this can damage the > deck. > DEBOND (can get via Amazon)works well and is safer > Spray a good layer of the debond under one side of the tabernacle and wait > a few minutes, then lightly tap wooden wedges into the gap. patience > essential here. Spray more in and advance a little bit at a time. It will > work, just do not force it or you will split the fiberglass. Will need a > sharp chisel to clean off the gel coat > Agree that Practical Sailor article very helpful as well > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 3:20 PM, Michael D. Weisner > wrote: > > > I wonder how 3M 5200 compares to adult barnacle attachment secretion > which > > is nearly impossible to break. > > > > Maybe Debond would work on barnacles! > > > > Mike > > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > > Nissequogue River, NY > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > > Graham Stewart > > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 3:07 PM > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle > > > > Mark: I wouldn't even use it for the hull-deck joint. In fact I had to > > break the seal to remove the foredeck on my boat. I may be the only > person > > to ever do that but still I don't think anything is permanent. 5200 and > > similar are incredible adhesives but if you are primarily interested in a > > sealant where high adhesive qualities are not the highest priority and if > > there is any possibility that you might want to break the bond in the > > future, I would always seek an alternative. 3M 4200 is a very strong > > adhesive but is easier to remove. > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf > > Of Mark Whipple > > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 10:28 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle > > > > I've read that if you take a strong, thin wire like piano wire you can > > slowly cut through the 5200 (AKA Devil's Glue). Don't know if heating it > > would help. I've never needed to try this so if you do let us know how it > > goes. > > > > About the only legit use I've heard of for 5200 is a hull-to-deck joint. > > That's something that you hope you'll never have to disassemble. > > > > Good luck, > > > > Mark > > > > Boston, MA > > > > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > > 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* > > 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > > > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 10:03 AM Graham Stewart > > wrote: > > > > > Where something is adhering to fiberglass with 5200 I think a > > > sufficient whack to break the bond is likely to remove the gel coat > > > before the bond breaks. A whack might work for a metal to metal bond > > > but I would still be very careful especially for something like cast > > aluminum. > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > > > Behalf Of Ric Stott > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 8:09 AM > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle > > > > > > Careful wack with Rubber mallet!! > > > Ric > > > Dadventure > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > On Oct 26, 2020, at 11:43 PM, Chris Geankoplis < > > > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > ?Hey Jesse, > > > > Sounds like PL5200. Strongest stuff in the world. Just about > > > > impossible > > > to > > > > remove. You might make a hack saw frame but with the blade at 90 > > > > degrees > > > to > > > > a normal one. Slowly cut between the cabin roof and tabernacle. At > > > > some point you can apply a rotational motion and should get it off. > > > > You will Have an ugly scarred area. Research to see if they have > > > > come up with a solvent for 5200. If so, use that rather than the > > > > butchery method. Good luck. > > > > > > > > Chris Geankoplis > > > > Enosis. > > > > > > > >> On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 21:51, Jesse Shumaker < > > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Hi, I'm attempting to remove the mast tabernacle in order to > > > >> install the Dwyer Halyard Organizer plate (part DH288). The three > > > >> screws came out easily, but the tabernacle is still attached very > > > >> strongly with an adhesive. I don't know what adhesive was used. > > > >> The adhesive is colored white. I tried heating up the plate with a > > > >> soldering iron and tried to squeeze in a razor but have been unable > > to break the seal. > > > >> > > > >> I would appreciate any tips from the group on how to free the > > > >> tabernacle from the cabin top. Thanks in advance for any advice! > > > >> > > > >> Jesse Shumaker > > > >> S/V Zephyr > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > From ric at stottarchitecture.com Wed Oct 28 06:59:45 2020 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 06:59:45 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle In-Reply-To: <005e01d6ac96$35cb8310$a1628930$@ebsmed.com> References: <005e01d6ac96$35cb8310$a1628930$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: The hammer works on barnacles too. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 27, 2020, at 3:20 PM, Michael D. Weisner wrote: > > ?I wonder how 3M 5200 compares to adult barnacle attachment secretion which is nearly impossible to break. > > Maybe Debond would work on barnacles! > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Graham Stewart > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 3:07 PM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle > > Mark: I wouldn't even use it for the hull-deck joint. In fact I had to break the seal to remove the foredeck on my boat. I may be the only person to ever do that but still I don't think anything is permanent. 5200 and similar are incredible adhesives but if you are primarily interested in a sealant where high adhesive qualities are not the highest priority and if there is any possibility that you might want to break the bond in the future, I would always seek an alternative. 3M 4200 is a very strong adhesive but is easier to remove. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Mark Whipple > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 10:28 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle > > I've read that if you take a strong, thin wire like piano wire you can slowly cut through the 5200 (AKA Devil's Glue). Don't know if heating it would help. I've never needed to try this so if you do let us know how it goes. > > About the only legit use I've heard of for 5200 is a hull-to-deck joint. > That's something that you hope you'll never have to disassemble. > > Good luck, > > Mark > > Boston, MA > > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* > 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > >> On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 10:03 AM Graham Stewart wrote: >> >> Where something is adhering to fiberglass with 5200 I think a >> sufficient whack to break the bond is likely to remove the gel coat >> before the bond breaks. A whack might work for a metal to metal bond >> but I would still be very careful especially for something like cast aluminum. >> >> Graham Stewart >> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 >> Kingston Ontario >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >> Behalf Of Ric Stott >> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 8:09 AM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle >> >> Careful wack with Rubber mallet!! >> Ric >> Dadventure >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Oct 26, 2020, at 11:43 PM, Chris Geankoplis < >> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> ?Hey Jesse, >>> Sounds like PL5200. Strongest stuff in the world. Just about >>> impossible >> to >>> remove. You might make a hack saw frame but with the blade at 90 >>> degrees >> to >>> a normal one. Slowly cut between the cabin roof and tabernacle. At >>> some point you can apply a rotational motion and should get it off. >>> You will Have an ugly scarred area. Research to see if they have >>> come up with a solvent for 5200. If so, use that rather than the >>> butchery method. Good luck. >>> >>> Chris Geankoplis >>> Enosis. >>> >>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 21:51, Jesse Shumaker < >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, I'm attempting to remove the mast tabernacle in order to >>>> install the Dwyer Halyard Organizer plate (part DH288). The three >>>> screws came out easily, but the tabernacle is still attached very >>>> strongly with an adhesive. I don't know what adhesive was used. >>>> The adhesive is colored white. I tried heating up the plate with a >>>> soldering iron and tried to squeeze in a razor but have been unable to break the seal. >>>> >>>> I would appreciate any tips from the group on how to free the >>>> tabernacle from the cabin top. Thanks in advance for any advice! >>>> >>>> Jesse Shumaker >>>> S/V Zephyr >>>> >> >> > From ric at stottarchitecture.com Wed Oct 28 13:04:56 2020 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 13:04:56 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle In-Reply-To: References: <4CB575CB-60A1-42B2-A803-50C8A9783E7E@stottarchitecture.com> <004b01d6ac69$ea7ccf80$bf766e80$@ca> <007601d6ac94$670e8370$352b8a50$@ca> <005e01d6ac96$35cb8310$a1628930$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: [image: IMG_1943.jpeg] This is an experiment. I have not been able to send attachments using my mac mail - ever. I have logged on to gmail and I'm replying from gmail. I'm attaching a photo to see if it goes through. LMK Ric Dadventure Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP www.stottarchitecture.com Office 631-283-1777 Cell 516-965-3164 On Oct 28, 2020, at 6:32 AM, Jesse Shumaker wrote: Thanks for all the quick responses, links to articles and details of your experiences removing "the devil's glue." It really helps to have the collective knowledge and research of the group! I ordered some Marine Formula DeBond and a razor blade scraper knife. I also made a wooden wedge and have a rubber mallet ready for some *very *gentle taps after patiently waiting for the adhesive remover to go to work. The DeBond should get here on Friday so this will be a weekend project. Until then, I have other boat projects underway to keep me busy when I'm not at work. I'll be sure to follow up this weekend and let you know the (hopefully not gripping) conclusion. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 4:42 PM David Talbot wrote: OK I am adding to this as I JUST got through managing a 5200-attached hatch on forward deck STRONGLY recommend you not use mallet or cutting as this can damage the deck. DEBOND (can get via Amazon)works well and is safer Spray a good layer of the debond under one side of the tabernacle and wait a few minutes, then lightly tap wooden wedges into the gap. patience essential here. Spray more in and advance a little bit at a time. It will work, just do not force it or you will split the fiberglass. Will need a sharp chisel to clean off the gel coat Agree that Practical Sailor article very helpful as well On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 3:20 PM, Michael D. Weisner wrote: I wonder how 3M 5200 compares to adult barnacle attachment secretion which is nearly impossible to break. Maybe Debond would work on barnacles! Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Graham Stewart Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 3:07 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle Mark: I wouldn't even use it for the hull-deck joint. In fact I had to break the seal to remove the foredeck on my boat. I may be the only person to ever do that but still I don't think anything is permanent. 5200 and similar are incredible adhesives but if you are primarily interested in a sealant where high adhesive qualities are not the highest priority and if there is any possibility that you might want to break the bond in the future, I would always seek an alternative. 3M 4200 is a very strong adhesive but is easier to remove. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Mark Whipple Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 10:28 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle I've read that if you take a strong, thin wire like piano wire you can slowly cut through the 5200 (AKA Devil's Glue). Don't know if heating it would help. I've never needed to try this so if you do let us know how it goes. About the only legit use I've heard of for 5200 is a hull-to-deck joint. That's something that you hope you'll never have to disassemble. Good luck, Mark Boston, MA 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 10:03 AM Graham Stewart wrote: Where something is adhering to fiberglass with 5200 I think a sufficient whack to break the bond is likely to remove the gel coat before the bond breaks. A whack might work for a metal to metal bond but I would still be very careful especially for something like cast aluminum. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Ric Stott Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 8:09 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle Careful wack with Rubber mallet!! Ric Dadventure Sent from my iPhone On Oct 26, 2020, at 11:43 PM, Chris Geankoplis < chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote: ?Hey Jesse, Sounds like PL5200. Strongest stuff in the world. Just about impossible to remove. You might make a hack saw frame but with the blade at 90 degrees to a normal one. Slowly cut between the cabin roof and tabernacle. At some point you can apply a rotational motion and should get it off. You will Have an ugly scarred area. Research to see if they have come up with a solvent for 5200. If so, use that rather than the butchery method. Good luck. Chris Geankoplis Enosis. On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 21:51, Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: Hi, I'm attempting to remove the mast tabernacle in order to install the Dwyer Halyard Organizer plate (part DH288). The three screws came out easily, but the tabernacle is still attached very strongly with an adhesive. I don't know what adhesive was used. The adhesive is colored white. I tried heating up the plate with a soldering iron and tried to squeeze in a razor but have been unable to break the seal. I would appreciate any tips from the group on how to free the tabernacle from the cabin top. Thanks in advance for any advice! Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_1943.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 980595 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hnw555 at gmail.com Wed Oct 28 13:14:30 2020 From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 13:14:30 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle In-Reply-To: References: <4CB575CB-60A1-42B2-A803-50C8A9783E7E@stottarchitecture.com> <004b01d6ac69$ea7ccf80$bf766e80$@ca> <007601d6ac94$670e8370$352b8a50$@ca> <005e01d6ac96$35cb8310$a1628930$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: I see a beautiful sunset, Ric. On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 1:05 PM Ric Stott wrote: > [image: IMG_1943.jpeg] > This is an experiment. > I have not been able to send attachments using my mac mail - ever. > I have logged on to gmail and I'm replying from gmail. > I'm attaching a photo to see if it goes through. > LMK > Ric > Dadventure > > > > Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP > www.stottarchitecture.com > Office 631-283-1777 > Cell 516-965-3164 > > > > > > On Oct 28, 2020, at 6:32 AM, Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> > wrote: > > Thanks for all the quick responses, links to articles and details of your > experiences removing "the devil's glue." It really helps to have the > collective knowledge and research of the group! > > I ordered some Marine Formula DeBond and a razor blade scraper knife. I > also made a wooden wedge and have a rubber mallet ready for some *very > *gentle > taps after patiently waiting for the adhesive remover to go to work. The > DeBond should get here on Friday so this will be a weekend project. Until > then, I have other boat projects underway to keep me busy when I'm not at > work. > > I'll be sure to follow up this weekend and let you know the (hopefully not > gripping) conclusion. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 4:42 PM David Talbot > wrote: > > OK I am adding to this as I JUST got through managing a 5200-attached hatch > on forward deck > STRONGLY recommend you not use mallet or cutting as this can damage the > deck. > DEBOND (can get via Amazon)works well and is safer > Spray a good layer of the debond under one side of the tabernacle and wait > a few minutes, then lightly tap wooden wedges into the gap. patience > essential here. Spray more in and advance a little bit at a time. It will > work, just do not force it or you will split the fiberglass. Will need a > sharp chisel to clean off the gel coat > Agree that Practical Sailor article very helpful as well > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 3:20 PM, Michael D. Weisner > wrote: > > I wonder how 3M 5200 compares to adult barnacle attachment secretion > > which > > is nearly impossible to break. > > Maybe Debond would work on barnacles! > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Graham Stewart > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 3:07 PM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle > > Mark: I wouldn't even use it for the hull-deck joint. In fact I had to > break the seal to remove the foredeck on my boat. I may be the only > > person > > to ever do that but still I don't think anything is permanent. 5200 and > similar are incredible adhesives but if you are primarily interested in a > sealant where high adhesive qualities are not the highest priority and if > there is any possibility that you might want to break the bond in the > future, I would always seek an alternative. 3M 4200 is a very strong > adhesive but is easier to remove. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > > Behalf > > Of Mark Whipple > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 10:28 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle > > I've read that if you take a strong, thin wire like piano wire you can > slowly cut through the 5200 (AKA Devil's Glue). Don't know if heating it > would help. I've never needed to try this so if you do let us know how it > goes. > > About the only legit use I've heard of for 5200 is a hull-to-deck joint. > That's something that you hope you'll never have to disassemble. > > Good luck, > > Mark > > Boston, MA > > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* > 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 10:03 AM Graham Stewart > wrote: > > Where something is adhering to fiberglass with 5200 I think a > sufficient whack to break the bond is likely to remove the gel coat > before the bond breaks. A whack might work for a metal to metal bond > but I would still be very careful especially for something like cast > > aluminum. > > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Ric Stott > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 8:09 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle > > Careful wack with Rubber mallet!! > Ric > Dadventure > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 26, 2020, at 11:43 PM, Chris Geankoplis < > > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote: > > > ?Hey Jesse, > Sounds like PL5200. Strongest stuff in the world. Just about > impossible > > to > > remove. You might make a hack saw frame but with the blade at 90 > degrees > > to > > a normal one. Slowly cut between the cabin roof and tabernacle. At > some point you can apply a rotational motion and should get it off. > You will Have an ugly scarred area. Research to see if they have > come up with a solvent for 5200. If so, use that rather than the > butchery method. Good luck. > > Chris Geankoplis > Enosis. > > On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 21:51, Jesse Shumaker < > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> > > wrote: > > Hi, I'm attempting to remove the mast tabernacle in order to > install the Dwyer Halyard Organizer plate (part DH288). The three > screws came out easily, but the tabernacle is still attached very > strongly with an adhesive. I don't know what adhesive was used. > The adhesive is colored white. I tried heating up the plate with a > soldering iron and tried to squeeze in a razor but have been unable > > to break the seal. > > > I would appreciate any tips from the group on how to free the > tabernacle from the cabin top. Thanks in advance for any advice! > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_1943.jpeg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 980595 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201028/39753172/attachment.jpeg > > > From retiredtoby at gmail.com Wed Oct 28 13:18:07 2020 From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 13:18:07 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle In-Reply-To: References: <4CB575CB-60A1-42B2-A803-50C8A9783E7E@stottarchitecture.com> <004b01d6ac69$ea7ccf80$bf766e80$@ca> <007601d6ac94$670e8370$352b8a50$@ca> <005e01d6ac96$35cb8310$a1628930$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Got it Ric Very nice, wish I were there. Cary S/V Whisper "86 On Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 1:14 PM Hank wrote: > I see a beautiful sunset, Ric. > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 1:05 PM Ric Stott > wrote: > > > [image: IMG_1943.jpeg] > > This is an experiment. > > I have not been able to send attachments using my mac mail - ever. > > I have logged on to gmail and I'm replying from gmail. > > I'm attaching a photo to see if it goes through. > > LMK > > Ric > > Dadventure > > > > > > > > Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP > > www.stottarchitecture.com > > Office 631-283-1777 > > Cell 516-965-3164 > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 28, 2020, at 6:32 AM, Jesse Shumaker < > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > Thanks for all the quick responses, links to articles and details of your > > experiences removing "the devil's glue." It really helps to have the > > collective knowledge and research of the group! > > > > I ordered some Marine Formula DeBond and a razor blade scraper knife. I > > also made a wooden wedge and have a rubber mallet ready for some *very > > *gentle > > taps after patiently waiting for the adhesive remover to go to work. The > > DeBond should get here on Friday so this will be a weekend project. > Until > > then, I have other boat projects underway to keep me busy when I'm not at > > work. > > > > I'll be sure to follow up this weekend and let you know the (hopefully > not > > gripping) conclusion. > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 4:42 PM David Talbot > > wrote: > > > > OK I am adding to this as I JUST got through managing a 5200-attached > hatch > > on forward deck > > STRONGLY recommend you not use mallet or cutting as this can damage the > > deck. > > DEBOND (can get via Amazon)works well and is safer > > Spray a good layer of the debond under one side of the tabernacle and > wait > > a few minutes, then lightly tap wooden wedges into the gap. patience > > essential here. Spray more in and advance a little bit at a time. It will > > work, just do not force it or you will split the fiberglass. Will need a > > sharp chisel to clean off the gel coat > > Agree that Practical Sailor article very helpful as well > > > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 3:20 PM, Michael D. Weisner > > > wrote: > > > > I wonder how 3M 5200 compares to adult barnacle attachment secretion > > > > which > > > > is nearly impossible to break. > > > > Maybe Debond would work on barnacles! > > > > Mike > > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > > Nissequogue River, NY > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > > Graham Stewart > > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 3:07 PM > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle > > > > Mark: I wouldn't even use it for the hull-deck joint. In fact I had to > > break the seal to remove the foredeck on my boat. I may be the only > > > > person > > > > to ever do that but still I don't think anything is permanent. 5200 and > > similar are incredible adhesives but if you are primarily interested in a > > sealant where high adhesive qualities are not the highest priority and if > > there is any possibility that you might want to break the bond in the > > future, I would always seek an alternative. 3M 4200 is a very strong > > adhesive but is easier to remove. > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > > > > Behalf > > > > Of Mark Whipple > > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 10:28 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle > > > > I've read that if you take a strong, thin wire like piano wire you can > > slowly cut through the 5200 (AKA Devil's Glue). Don't know if heating it > > would help. I've never needed to try this so if you do let us know how it > > goes. > > > > About the only legit use I've heard of for 5200 is a hull-to-deck joint. > > That's something that you hope you'll never have to disassemble. > > > > Good luck, > > > > Mark > > > > Boston, MA > > > > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > > 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* > > 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > > > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 10:03 AM Graham Stewart > > wrote: > > > > Where something is adhering to fiberglass with 5200 I think a > > sufficient whack to break the bond is likely to remove the gel coat > > before the bond breaks. A whack might work for a metal to metal bond > > but I would still be very careful especially for something like cast > > > > aluminum. > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > > Behalf Of Ric Stott > > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 8:09 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle > > > > Careful wack with Rubber mallet!! > > Ric > > Dadventure > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Oct 26, 2020, at 11:43 PM, Chris Geankoplis < > > > > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > ?Hey Jesse, > > Sounds like PL5200. Strongest stuff in the world. Just about > > impossible > > > > to > > > > remove. You might make a hack saw frame but with the blade at 90 > > degrees > > > > to > > > > a normal one. Slowly cut between the cabin roof and tabernacle. At > > some point you can apply a rotational motion and should get it off. > > You will Have an ugly scarred area. Research to see if they have > > come up with a solvent for 5200. If so, use that rather than the > > butchery method. Good luck. > > > > Chris Geankoplis > > Enosis. > > > > On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 21:51, Jesse Shumaker < > > > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > Hi, I'm attempting to remove the mast tabernacle in order to > > install the Dwyer Halyard Organizer plate (part DH288). The three > > screws came out easily, but the tabernacle is still attached very > > strongly with an adhesive. I don't know what adhesive was used. > > The adhesive is colored white. I tried heating up the plate with a > > soldering iron and tried to squeeze in a razor but have been unable > > > > to break the seal. > > > > > > I would appreciate any tips from the group on how to free the > > tabernacle from the cabin top. Thanks in advance for any advice! > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_1943.jpeg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 980595 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201028/39753172/attachment.jpeg > > > > > > From bferguson at jcu.edu Wed Oct 28 13:21:15 2020 From: bferguson at jcu.edu (NewIn76) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 10:21:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle In-Reply-To: References: <4CB575CB-60A1-42B2-A803-50C8A9783E7E@stottarchitecture.com> <004b01d6ac69$ea7ccf80$bf766e80$@ca> <007601d6ac94$670e8370$352b8a50$@ca> <005e01d6ac96$35cb8310$a1628930$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: <1603905675564-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Sunset looks great and nice perspective. Tabernacle is kind of out of focus though, haha. ----- Brian 1976 Rhodes 22 Cleveland -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From ric at stottarchitecture.com Wed Oct 28 13:23:02 2020 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 13:23:02 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Photos and gmail v Mac mail In-Reply-To: References: <4CB575CB-60A1-42B2-A803-50C8A9783E7E@stottarchitecture.com> <004b01d6ac69$ea7ccf80$bf766e80$@ca> <007601d6ac94$670e8370$352b8a50$@ca> <005e01d6ac96$35cb8310$a1628930$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: <092CBD92-F3F9-4D45-8644-2A422D350D28@stottarchitecture.com> This is great news. I am writing from my Mac mail, where I know how to change the subject column, which I don?t know how to do yet in the gmail program. I learned few new things today - have a long way to go before I actually know anything. The pic was taken three years ago. Is there a size limit for photos? Ric Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP www.stottarchitecture.com Office 631-283-1777 Cell 516-965-3164 > On Oct 28, 2020, at 1:18 PM, Cary Tolbert wrote: > > Got it Ric > Very nice, wish I were there. > Cary > S/V Whisper "86 > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 1:14 PM Hank wrote: > >> I see a beautiful sunset, Ric. >> >> On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 1:05 PM Ric Stott >> wrote: >> >>> [image: IMG_1943.jpeg] >>> This is an experiment. >>> I have not been able to send attachments using my mac mail - ever. >>> I have logged on to gmail and I'm replying from gmail. >>> I'm attaching a photo to see if it goes through. >>> LMK >>> Ric >>> Dadventure >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP >>> www.stottarchitecture.com >>> Office 631-283-1777 >>> Cell 516-965-3164 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Oct 28, 2020, at 6:32 AM, Jesse Shumaker < >>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for all the quick responses, links to articles and details of your >>> experiences removing "the devil's glue." It really helps to have the >>> collective knowledge and research of the group! >>> >>> I ordered some Marine Formula DeBond and a razor blade scraper knife. I >>> also made a wooden wedge and have a rubber mallet ready for some *very >>> *gentle >>> taps after patiently waiting for the adhesive remover to go to work. The >>> DeBond should get here on Friday so this will be a weekend project. >> Until >>> then, I have other boat projects underway to keep me busy when I'm not at >>> work. >>> >>> I'll be sure to follow up this weekend and let you know the (hopefully >> not >>> gripping) conclusion. >>> >>> Jesse Shumaker >>> S/V Zephyr >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 4:42 PM David Talbot >>> wrote: >>> >>> OK I am adding to this as I JUST got through managing a 5200-attached >> hatch >>> on forward deck >>> STRONGLY recommend you not use mallet or cutting as this can damage the >>> deck. >>> DEBOND (can get via Amazon)works well and is safer >>> Spray a good layer of the debond under one side of the tabernacle and >> wait >>> a few minutes, then lightly tap wooden wedges into the gap. patience >>> essential here. Spray more in and advance a little bit at a time. It will >>> work, just do not force it or you will split the fiberglass. Will need a >>> sharp chisel to clean off the gel coat >>> Agree that Practical Sailor article very helpful as well >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 3:20 PM, Michael D. Weisner >> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I wonder how 3M 5200 compares to adult barnacle attachment secretion >>> >>> which >>> >>> is nearly impossible to break. >>> >>> Maybe Debond would work on barnacles! >>> >>> Mike >>> s/v Wind Lass ('91) >>> Nissequogue River, NY >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of >>> Graham Stewart >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 3:07 PM >>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle >>> >>> Mark: I wouldn't even use it for the hull-deck joint. In fact I had to >>> break the seal to remove the foredeck on my boat. I may be the only >>> >>> person >>> >>> to ever do that but still I don't think anything is permanent. 5200 and >>> similar are incredible adhesives but if you are primarily interested in a >>> sealant where high adhesive qualities are not the highest priority and if >>> there is any possibility that you might want to break the bond in the >>> future, I would always seek an alternative. 3M 4200 is a very strong >>> adhesive but is easier to remove. >>> >>> Graham Stewart >>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 >>> Kingston Ontario >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >>> >>> Behalf >>> >>> Of Mark Whipple >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 10:28 AM >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle >>> >>> I've read that if you take a strong, thin wire like piano wire you can >>> slowly cut through the 5200 (AKA Devil's Glue). Don't know if heating it >>> would help. I've never needed to try this so if you do let us know how it >>> goes. >>> >>> About the only legit use I've heard of for 5200 is a hull-to-deck joint. >>> That's something that you hope you'll never have to disassemble. >>> >>> Good luck, >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> Boston, MA >>> >>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* >>> 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* >>> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 10:03 AM Graham Stewart >>> wrote: >>> >>> Where something is adhering to fiberglass with 5200 I think a >>> sufficient whack to break the bond is likely to remove the gel coat >>> before the bond breaks. A whack might work for a metal to metal bond >>> but I would still be very careful especially for something like cast >>> >>> aluminum. >>> >>> >>> Graham Stewart >>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 >>> Kingston Ontario >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >>> Behalf Of Ric Stott >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 8:09 AM >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle >>> >>> Careful wack with Rubber mallet!! >>> Ric >>> Dadventure >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 26, 2020, at 11:43 PM, Chris Geankoplis < >>> >>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> ?Hey Jesse, >>> Sounds like PL5200. Strongest stuff in the world. Just about >>> impossible >>> >>> to >>> >>> remove. You might make a hack saw frame but with the blade at 90 >>> degrees >>> >>> to >>> >>> a normal one. Slowly cut between the cabin roof and tabernacle. At >>> some point you can apply a rotational motion and should get it off. >>> You will Have an ugly scarred area. Research to see if they have >>> come up with a solvent for 5200. If so, use that rather than the >>> butchery method. Good luck. >>> >>> Chris Geankoplis >>> Enosis. >>> >>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 21:51, Jesse Shumaker < >>> >>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, I'm attempting to remove the mast tabernacle in order to >>> install the Dwyer Halyard Organizer plate (part DH288). The three >>> screws came out easily, but the tabernacle is still attached very >>> strongly with an adhesive. I don't know what adhesive was used. >>> The adhesive is colored white. I tried heating up the plate with a >>> soldering iron and tried to squeeze in a razor but have been unable >>> >>> to break the seal. >>> >>> >>> I would appreciate any tips from the group on how to free the >>> tabernacle from the cabin top. Thanks in advance for any advice! >>> >>> Jesse Shumaker >>> S/V Zephyr >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: IMG_1943.jpeg >>> Type: image/jpeg >>> Size: 980595 bytes >>> Desc: not available >>> URL: < >>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201028/39753172/attachment.jpeg >>>> >>> >> From luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com Wed Oct 28 13:41:35 2020 From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com (Luis Guzman) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 13:41:35 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle In-Reply-To: <1603905675564-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <4CB575CB-60A1-42B2-A803-50C8A9783E7E@stottarchitecture.com> <004b01d6ac69$ea7ccf80$bf766e80$@ca> <007601d6ac94$670e8370$352b8a50$@ca> <005e01d6ac96$35cb8310$a1628930$@ebsmed.com> <1603905675564-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <751F52F4-53D2-4D69-928C-B607017D9762@gmail.com> When I was trying to remove a centerboard cap on my first Rhodes, I think it was a 72, I was told that heat works pretty good in softening 5200. I believe it was an engineer from 3M who told me that. I have to look at he very old emails to see if I can find it. He told me to heat up the joint with a heat gun, careful not to set the fiberglass on fire, and work a knife in between to separate. I did not try that as I was afraid I was going to st the boat on fire. Luis A. Guzm?n II S/V Aquetxali > On Oct 28, 2020, at 1:21 PM, NewIn76 via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > Sunset looks great and nice perspective. Tabernacle is kind of out of focus > though, haha. > > > > ----- > Brian > 1976 Rhodes 22 > Cleveland > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com Wed Oct 28 13:42:29 2020 From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 13:42:29 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Photos and gmail v Mac mail In-Reply-To: <092CBD92-F3F9-4D45-8644-2A422D350D28@stottarchitecture.com> References: <4CB575CB-60A1-42B2-A803-50C8A9783E7E@stottarchitecture.com> <004b01d6ac69$ea7ccf80$bf766e80$@ca> <007601d6ac94$670e8370$352b8a50$@ca> <005e01d6ac96$35cb8310$a1628930$@ebsmed.com> <092CBD92-F3F9-4D45-8644-2A422D350D28@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: Gmail on webmail is a little opaque in that way (I have a Mac, too, and mostly use its Mail program). To edit the subject when replying to a message via webmail, you first click on the ?reply? arrow on the right side of the message (to ?reply all,? you have to first click on the three vertical dots to the right of the reply arrow). Then you click on the little down-arrow next to the sender?s name, and a menu pops up that includes ?edit subject.? I find that I have to hunt for it all the time, as I can never remember exactly how to do that, or add a cc or bcc, etc. It?s not the most intuitive program ever invented. Frank > On Oct 28, 2020, at 1:23 PM, Ric Stott wrote: > > This is great news. > I am writing from my Mac mail, where I know how to change the subject column, which I don?t know how to do yet in the gmail program. > I learned few new things today - have a long way to go before I actually know anything. > The pic was taken three years ago. > Is there a size limit for photos? > Ric > Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP > www.stottarchitecture.com > Office 631-283-1777 > Cell 516-965-3164 > > > > > >> On Oct 28, 2020, at 1:18 PM, Cary Tolbert wrote: >> >> Got it Ric >> Very nice, wish I were there. >> Cary >> S/V Whisper "86 >> >> On Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 1:14 PM Hank wrote: >> >>> I see a beautiful sunset, Ric. >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 1:05 PM Ric Stott >>> wrote: >>> >>>> [image: IMG_1943.jpeg] >>>> This is an experiment. >>>> I have not been able to send attachments using my mac mail - ever. >>>> I have logged on to gmail and I'm replying from gmail. >>>> I'm attaching a photo to see if it goes through. >>>> LMK >>>> Ric >>>> Dadventure >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP >>>> www.stottarchitecture.com >>>> Office 631-283-1777 >>>> Cell 516-965-3164 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Oct 28, 2020, at 6:32 AM, Jesse Shumaker < >>>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks for all the quick responses, links to articles and details of your >>>> experiences removing "the devil's glue." It really helps to have the >>>> collective knowledge and research of the group! >>>> >>>> I ordered some Marine Formula DeBond and a razor blade scraper knife. I >>>> also made a wooden wedge and have a rubber mallet ready for some *very >>>> *gentle >>>> taps after patiently waiting for the adhesive remover to go to work. The >>>> DeBond should get here on Friday so this will be a weekend project. >>> Until >>>> then, I have other boat projects underway to keep me busy when I'm not at >>>> work. >>>> >>>> I'll be sure to follow up this weekend and let you know the (hopefully >>> not >>>> gripping) conclusion. >>>> >>>> Jesse Shumaker >>>> S/V Zephyr >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 4:42 PM David Talbot >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> OK I am adding to this as I JUST got through managing a 5200-attached >>> hatch >>>> on forward deck >>>> STRONGLY recommend you not use mallet or cutting as this can damage the >>>> deck. >>>> DEBOND (can get via Amazon)works well and is safer >>>> Spray a good layer of the debond under one side of the tabernacle and >>> wait >>>> a few minutes, then lightly tap wooden wedges into the gap. patience >>>> essential here. Spray more in and advance a little bit at a time. It will >>>> work, just do not force it or you will split the fiberglass. Will need a >>>> sharp chisel to clean off the gel coat >>>> Agree that Practical Sailor article very helpful as well >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 3:20 PM, Michael D. Weisner >>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I wonder how 3M 5200 compares to adult barnacle attachment secretion >>>> >>>> which >>>> >>>> is nearly impossible to break. >>>> >>>> Maybe Debond would work on barnacles! >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91) >>>> Nissequogue River, NY >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of >>>> Graham Stewart >>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 3:07 PM >>>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle >>>> >>>> Mark: I wouldn't even use it for the hull-deck joint. In fact I had to >>>> break the seal to remove the foredeck on my boat. I may be the only >>>> >>>> person >>>> >>>> to ever do that but still I don't think anything is permanent. 5200 and >>>> similar are incredible adhesives but if you are primarily interested in a >>>> sealant where high adhesive qualities are not the highest priority and if >>>> there is any possibility that you might want to break the bond in the >>>> future, I would always seek an alternative. 3M 4200 is a very strong >>>> adhesive but is easier to remove. >>>> >>>> Graham Stewart >>>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 >>>> Kingston Ontario >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >>>> >>>> Behalf >>>> >>>> Of Mark Whipple >>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 10:28 AM >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle >>>> >>>> I've read that if you take a strong, thin wire like piano wire you can >>>> slowly cut through the 5200 (AKA Devil's Glue). Don't know if heating it >>>> would help. I've never needed to try this so if you do let us know how it >>>> goes. >>>> >>>> About the only legit use I've heard of for 5200 is a hull-to-deck joint. >>>> That's something that you hope you'll never have to disassemble. >>>> >>>> Good luck, >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> Boston, MA >>>> >>>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* >>>> 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* >>>> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 10:03 AM Graham Stewart >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Where something is adhering to fiberglass with 5200 I think a >>>> sufficient whack to break the bond is likely to remove the gel coat >>>> before the bond breaks. A whack might work for a metal to metal bond >>>> but I would still be very careful especially for something like cast >>>> >>>> aluminum. >>>> >>>> >>>> Graham Stewart >>>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 >>>> Kingston Ontario >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >>>> Behalf Of Ric Stott >>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 8:09 AM >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle >>>> >>>> Careful wack with Rubber mallet!! >>>> Ric >>>> Dadventure >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Oct 26, 2020, at 11:43 PM, Chris Geankoplis < >>>> >>>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> ?Hey Jesse, >>>> Sounds like PL5200. Strongest stuff in the world. Just about >>>> impossible >>>> >>>> to >>>> >>>> remove. You might make a hack saw frame but with the blade at 90 >>>> degrees >>>> >>>> to >>>> >>>> a normal one. Slowly cut between the cabin roof and tabernacle. At >>>> some point you can apply a rotational motion and should get it off. >>>> You will Have an ugly scarred area. Research to see if they have >>>> come up with a solvent for 5200. If so, use that rather than the >>>> butchery method. Good luck. >>>> >>>> Chris Geankoplis >>>> Enosis. >>>> >>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 21:51, Jesse Shumaker < >>>> >>>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, I'm attempting to remove the mast tabernacle in order to >>>> install the Dwyer Halyard Organizer plate (part DH288). The three >>>> screws came out easily, but the tabernacle is still attached very >>>> strongly with an adhesive. I don't know what adhesive was used. >>>> The adhesive is colored white. I tried heating up the plate with a >>>> soldering iron and tried to squeeze in a razor but have been unable >>>> >>>> to break the seal. >>>> >>>> >>>> I would appreciate any tips from the group on how to free the >>>> tabernacle from the cabin top. Thanks in advance for any advice! >>>> >>>> Jesse Shumaker >>>> S/V Zephyr >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>> Name: IMG_1943.jpeg >>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>> Size: 980595 bytes >>>> Desc: not available >>>> URL: < >>>> >>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201028/39753172/attachment.jpeg >>>>> >>>> >>> > From ric at stottarchitecture.com Wed Oct 28 13:44:54 2020 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 13:44:54 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Photos and gmail v Mac mail In-Reply-To: References: <4CB575CB-60A1-42B2-A803-50C8A9783E7E@stottarchitecture.com> <004b01d6ac69$ea7ccf80$bf766e80$@ca> <007601d6ac94$670e8370$352b8a50$@ca> <005e01d6ac96$35cb8310$a1628930$@ebsmed.com> <092CBD92-F3F9-4D45-8644-2A422D350D28@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: <5EBCD97F-08D4-4488-BAA2-8D470338A840@stottarchitecture.com> I learned 4 new things today - thanks! Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP www.stottarchitecture.com Office 631-283-1777 Cell 516-965-3164 > On Oct 28, 2020, at 1:42 PM, Frank Goldsmith wrote: > > Gmail on webmail is a little opaque in that way (I have a Mac, too, and mostly use its Mail program). To edit the subject when replying to a message via webmail, you first click on the ?reply? arrow on the right side of the message (to ?reply all,? you have to first click on the three vertical dots to the right of the reply arrow). Then you click on the little down-arrow next to the sender?s name, and a menu pops up that includes ?edit subject.? I find that I have to hunt for it all the time, as I can never remember exactly how to do that, or add a cc or bcc, etc. It?s not the most intuitive program ever invented. > > Frank > >> On Oct 28, 2020, at 1:23 PM, Ric Stott wrote: >> >> This is great news. >> I am writing from my Mac mail, where I know how to change the subject column, which I don?t know how to do yet in the gmail program. >> I learned few new things today - have a long way to go before I actually know anything. >> The pic was taken three years ago. >> Is there a size limit for photos? >> Ric >> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP >> www.stottarchitecture.com >> Office 631-283-1777 >> Cell 516-965-3164 >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Oct 28, 2020, at 1:18 PM, Cary Tolbert wrote: >>> >>> Got it Ric >>> Very nice, wish I were there. >>> Cary >>> S/V Whisper "86 >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 1:14 PM Hank wrote: >>> >>>> I see a beautiful sunset, Ric. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 1:05 PM Ric Stott >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> [image: IMG_1943.jpeg] >>>>> This is an experiment. >>>>> I have not been able to send attachments using my mac mail - ever. >>>>> I have logged on to gmail and I'm replying from gmail. >>>>> I'm attaching a photo to see if it goes through. >>>>> LMK >>>>> Ric >>>>> Dadventure >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP >>>>> www.stottarchitecture.com >>>>> Office 631-283-1777 >>>>> Cell 516-965-3164 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 28, 2020, at 6:32 AM, Jesse Shumaker < >>>>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for all the quick responses, links to articles and details of your >>>>> experiences removing "the devil's glue." It really helps to have the >>>>> collective knowledge and research of the group! >>>>> >>>>> I ordered some Marine Formula DeBond and a razor blade scraper knife. I >>>>> also made a wooden wedge and have a rubber mallet ready for some *very >>>>> *gentle >>>>> taps after patiently waiting for the adhesive remover to go to work. The >>>>> DeBond should get here on Friday so this will be a weekend project. >>>> Until >>>>> then, I have other boat projects underway to keep me busy when I'm not at >>>>> work. >>>>> >>>>> I'll be sure to follow up this weekend and let you know the (hopefully >>>> not >>>>> gripping) conclusion. >>>>> >>>>> Jesse Shumaker >>>>> S/V Zephyr >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 4:42 PM David Talbot >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> OK I am adding to this as I JUST got through managing a 5200-attached >>>> hatch >>>>> on forward deck >>>>> STRONGLY recommend you not use mallet or cutting as this can damage the >>>>> deck. >>>>> DEBOND (can get via Amazon)works well and is safer >>>>> Spray a good layer of the debond under one side of the tabernacle and >>>> wait >>>>> a few minutes, then lightly tap wooden wedges into the gap. patience >>>>> essential here. Spray more in and advance a little bit at a time. It will >>>>> work, just do not force it or you will split the fiberglass. Will need a >>>>> sharp chisel to clean off the gel coat >>>>> Agree that Practical Sailor article very helpful as well >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 3:20 PM, Michael D. Weisner >>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I wonder how 3M 5200 compares to adult barnacle attachment secretion >>>>> >>>>> which >>>>> >>>>> is nearly impossible to break. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe Debond would work on barnacles! >>>>> >>>>> Mike >>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91) >>>>> Nissequogue River, NY >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of >>>>> Graham Stewart >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 3:07 PM >>>>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle >>>>> >>>>> Mark: I wouldn't even use it for the hull-deck joint. In fact I had to >>>>> break the seal to remove the foredeck on my boat. I may be the only >>>>> >>>>> person >>>>> >>>>> to ever do that but still I don't think anything is permanent. 5200 and >>>>> similar are incredible adhesives but if you are primarily interested in a >>>>> sealant where high adhesive qualities are not the highest priority and if >>>>> there is any possibility that you might want to break the bond in the >>>>> future, I would always seek an alternative. 3M 4200 is a very strong >>>>> adhesive but is easier to remove. >>>>> >>>>> Graham Stewart >>>>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 >>>>> Kingston Ontario >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >>>>> >>>>> Behalf >>>>> >>>>> Of Mark Whipple >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 10:28 AM >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle >>>>> >>>>> I've read that if you take a strong, thin wire like piano wire you can >>>>> slowly cut through the 5200 (AKA Devil's Glue). Don't know if heating it >>>>> would help. I've never needed to try this so if you do let us know how it >>>>> goes. >>>>> >>>>> About the only legit use I've heard of for 5200 is a hull-to-deck joint. >>>>> That's something that you hope you'll never have to disassemble. >>>>> >>>>> Good luck, >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> Boston, MA >>>>> >>>>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* >>>>> 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* >>>>> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 10:03 AM Graham Stewart >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Where something is adhering to fiberglass with 5200 I think a >>>>> sufficient whack to break the bond is likely to remove the gel coat >>>>> before the bond breaks. A whack might work for a metal to metal bond >>>>> but I would still be very careful especially for something like cast >>>>> >>>>> aluminum. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Graham Stewart >>>>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 >>>>> Kingston Ontario >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >>>>> Behalf Of Ric Stott >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 8:09 AM >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle >>>>> >>>>> Careful wack with Rubber mallet!! >>>>> Ric >>>>> Dadventure >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 26, 2020, at 11:43 PM, Chris Geankoplis < >>>>> >>>>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ?Hey Jesse, >>>>> Sounds like PL5200. Strongest stuff in the world. Just about >>>>> impossible >>>>> >>>>> to >>>>> >>>>> remove. You might make a hack saw frame but with the blade at 90 >>>>> degrees >>>>> >>>>> to >>>>> >>>>> a normal one. Slowly cut between the cabin roof and tabernacle. At >>>>> some point you can apply a rotational motion and should get it off. >>>>> You will Have an ugly scarred area. Research to see if they have >>>>> come up with a solvent for 5200. If so, use that rather than the >>>>> butchery method. Good luck. >>>>> >>>>> Chris Geankoplis >>>>> Enosis. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 21:51, Jesse Shumaker < >>>>> >>>>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, I'm attempting to remove the mast tabernacle in order to >>>>> install the Dwyer Halyard Organizer plate (part DH288). The three >>>>> screws came out easily, but the tabernacle is still attached very >>>>> strongly with an adhesive. I don't know what adhesive was used. >>>>> The adhesive is colored white. I tried heating up the plate with a >>>>> soldering iron and tried to squeeze in a razor but have been unable >>>>> >>>>> to break the seal. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I would appreciate any tips from the group on how to free the >>>>> tabernacle from the cabin top. Thanks in advance for any advice! >>>>> >>>>> Jesse Shumaker >>>>> S/V Zephyr >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> Name: IMG_1943.jpeg >>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>> Size: 980595 bytes >>>>> Desc: not available >>>>> URL: < >>>>> >>>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201028/39753172/attachment.jpeg >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Wed Oct 28 15:36:45 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 15:36:45 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Photos and gmail v Mac mail In-Reply-To: <092CBD92-F3F9-4D45-8644-2A422D350D28@stottarchitecture.com> References: <4CB575CB-60A1-42B2-A803-50C8A9783E7E@stottarchitecture.com> <004b01d6ac69$ea7ccf80$bf766e80$@ca> <007601d6ac94$670e8370$352b8a50$@ca> <005e01d6ac96$35cb8310$a1628930$@ebsmed.com> <092CBD92-F3F9-4D45-8644-2A422D350D28@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: Ric, The problem with attachments sent from Apple computers apparently is specific to the native email client. So, I?m not surprised that the gmail approach worked. I downloaded and installed a different email client app, named ?Spark?, from the App Store, and it will also successfully post attachments to the list. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On Oct 28, 2020, at 1:23 PM, Ric Stott wrote: > > This is great news. > I am writing from my Mac mail, where I know how to change the subject column, which I don?t know how to do yet in the gmail program. > I learned few new things today - have a long way to go before I actually know anything. > The pic was taken three years ago. > Is there a size limit for photos? > Ric > Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP > www.stottarchitecture.com > Office 631-283-1777 > Cell 516-965-3164 > > >>>> >>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201028/39753172/attachment.jpeg >>>>> >>>> >>> > From ric at stottarchitecture.com Wed Oct 28 15:56:57 2020 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 15:56:57 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Photos and gmail v Mac mail - and motor mount In-Reply-To: References: <4CB575CB-60A1-42B2-A803-50C8A9783E7E@stottarchitecture.com> <004b01d6ac69$ea7ccf80$bf766e80$@ca> <007601d6ac94$670e8370$352b8a50$@ca> <005e01d6ac96$35cb8310$a1628930$@ebsmed.com> <092CBD92-F3F9-4D45-8644-2A422D350D28@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: Cool! Is there a size limit to the photos uploaded? I spent the summer with a temporary motor mount, a West marine parallelogram type. I bought the heaviest duty one they had, which was a mistake. It doesn?t have any adjustment for transom angle as most of the less expensive ones do, and I didn?t realize it until I had it on the boat. My bad! I told da list that I would report on my query about motor mounts and have not had a chance to compile any valuable report, but I can tell you I have a love/hate relationship with the temp installation. The replies I got tell me that Rhodes owners are about even with 25? shafts v 20?shafts. I believe that the 25? shaft will perform better over a wider range of conditions, but it cost more and it?s a little heavier. I modified the West Marine mount to change the angle so the motor is vertical now. I like that it is very quick to adjust from full up to full down, but the height is still not correct and the distance from the transom is an issue in large waves when the motor sucks air on the back side of large, short period waves. I still plan to rebuild the original GB mount with new rails and the original manual 6:1 block/tackle - perhaps a geared motor to raise and lower it, but that is a winter/spring project. Now that I know I can send pics, you will hear more from me shortly. Ric Dadventure Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP www.stottarchitecture.com Office 631-283-1777 Cell 516-965-3164 > On Oct 28, 2020, at 3:36 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > > Coventry, CT From mweisner at ebsmed.com Wed Oct 28 16:09:26 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 16:09:26 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Photos and gmail v Mac mail - and motor mount In-Reply-To: References: <4CB575CB-60A1-42B2-A803-50C8A9783E7E@stottarchitecture.com> <004b01d6ac69$ea7ccf80$bf766e80$@ca> <007601d6ac94$670e8370$352b8a50$@ca> <005e01d6ac96$35cb8310$a1628930$@ebsmed.com> <092CBD92-F3F9-4D45-8644-2A422D350D28@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: <006101d6ad66$3d0ba0d0$b722e270$@ebsmed.com> The current limit on the size of the message, including attachments, is 12mb. Anything larger is held for moderator approval. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I?d rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Ric Stott Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2020 3:57 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Photos and gmail v Mac mail - and motor mount Cool! Is there a size limit to the photos uploaded? I spent the summer with a temporary motor mount, a West marine parallelogram type. I bought the heaviest duty one they had, which was a mistake. It doesn?t have any adjustment for transom angle as most of the less expensive ones do, and I didn?t realize it until I had it on the boat. My bad! I told da list that I would report on my query about motor mounts and have not had a chance to compile any valuable report, but I can tell you I have a love/hate relationship with the temp installation. The replies I got tell me that Rhodes owners are about even with 25? shafts v 20?shafts. I believe that the 25? shaft will perform better over a wider range of conditions, but it cost more and it?s a little heavier. I modified the West Marine mount to change the angle so the motor is vertical now. I like that it is very quick to adjust from full up to full down, but the height is still not correct and the distance from the transom is an issue in large waves when the motor sucks air on the back side of large, short period waves. I still plan to rebuild the original GB mount with new rails and the original manual 6:1 block/tackle - perhaps a geared motor to raise and lower it, but that is a winter/spring project. Now that I know I can send pics, you will hear more from me shortly. Ric Dadventure Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP www.stottarchitecture.com Office 631-283-1777 Cell 516-965-3164 > On Oct 28, 2020, at 3:36 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > > Coventry, CT From joedempsey at hughes.net Wed Oct 28 16:53:45 2020 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 13:53:45 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Message-ID: <1603918425935-0.post@n5.nabble.com> My search of the Archives did not offer any information regarding maintenance or servicing of the CDI furling system. The manual "CDI Flexible Furler 2 Installation/Operating Instructions", offers no troubleshooting details, although it provides a system diagram and parts list. I'm sharing what I've learned and observed after having fought my genoa furler for since I purchased "Respite" in 2017, it finally refused to rotate and furl. It had always been difficult to unfurl and furl the genoa, especially the latter. I've spent more time on the foredeck than in the cockpit trying to furl the jib! We pulled the pin on the chain plate (this is easily done on the Rhodes by releasing the back stays allowing enough slack in the forestay, although more clearance beneath the furling drum would be nice!) and opened up the GBI furler. We found that the main bearing had seized within the cup. (See photos of Cup). The main bearing is described in the CDI manual as HDPE plastic (This is the standard bearing) or Ball Bearing, torian (?) balls. That rotate within the Stainless Steel Cup. I was unsure which one I had until I got the bearing home and was able to open it up and separate the bearing from the cup. It turns out I have the ball bearings. My R-22 "Respite" is a 1989 that was re-cycled by GBI in 2005. I'm pretty certain that the furler was installed at that time because the manual is dated 2004. Looking at the bearing, it is clear that no maintenance "cleaning" was ever performed. (See photos of bearing) The manual recommends occasional rinsing with fresh water. Opening the bearing is suggested only if the bearing is hard to turn. In my case it wouldn't turn at all. Also I found that the hole in the top of the cup that the turnbuckle rides through had worn so that it was no longer centered. (You can see this in one of the photos.) The bottom view of the bearing shows the center hole and the two screw holes that secure the Anti-rotation strap (or bale) to the bearing to the drum Stainless Cup. There is also a Thrust Washer that the fits between the Main Bearing and the Furling Drum. I contacted CDI (they are now located in Winnepeg, Manitoba, contact info below) I spoke with Joel Grouette who was most helpful. Initially I had ordered the Stainless Cup that covers the furling drum because it was bent, thinking that was the cause, but once we had the bearing out we found that we also need a new bearing, which I also ordered from CDI. Once I have furler operating again, I will file an update. If you are having difficulty with your furling system, inspect and clean your main bearing. Although it can be done with the mast up, it would be easier with the mast down. I hope this information and my subsequent follow up will provide owners with information that will enable them to enjoy their Rhodes 22. Contact Information for CDI: Cruising Design International 1036 Waverley St. Winnipeg MB 844-379-2407 | www.sailcdi.com ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From joedempsey at hughes.net Wed Oct 28 17:13:10 2020 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 14:13:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <1603919590280-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Peter, I've spent a little time on "sunnybeaches" and it's excellent. As I was going through the different modules, I thought that a classified section for R-22s for sale, 2nd hand R-22 parts, accessories, etc. might be a great addition. ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From ric at stottarchitecture.com Wed Oct 28 17:16:26 2020 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 17:16:26 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler In-Reply-To: <1603918425935-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1603918425935-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Here is a photo of my original and primitive GB furler c1984. When I got the boat, the 'fin' was bent pretty badly. I straightened it out and used it for the past 7 years. Must say, it works pretty well. Once in a while, especially if I'm not careful in keeping a little tension on the furler line, the line will jump down below the fin which requires a trip to the bow. I do plan to switch to a CDI furler and hope to get a 130% jib for those more robust days, but I think for 99% of the sailing I do with this boat, the 175 and my continental main sail are all one needs. If the wind is more than 10 kts, unless you are going to weather, the jib is all the sail you need, which makes it easy peasy. [image: IMG_3313.jpeg] [image: Screen Shot 2020-10-28 at 5.15.17 PM.png] On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 4:53 PM Joe Dempsey wrote: > My search of the Archives did not offer any information regarding > maintenance > or servicing of the CDI furling system. The manual "CDI Flexible Furler 2 > Installation/Operating Instructions", offers no troubleshooting details, > although it provides a system diagram and parts list. I'm sharing what I've > learned and observed after having fought my genoa furler for since I > purchased "Respite" in 2017, it finally refused to rotate and furl. It had > always been difficult to unfurl and furl the genoa, especially the latter. > I've spent more time on the foredeck than in the cockpit trying to furl the > jib! > > We pulled the pin on the chain plate (this is easily done on the Rhodes by > releasing the back stays allowing enough slack in the forestay, although > more clearance beneath the furling drum would be nice!) and opened up the > GBI furler. We found that the main bearing had seized within the cup. (See > photos of Cup). The main bearing is described in the CDI manual as HDPE > plastic (This is the standard bearing) or Ball Bearing, torian (?) balls. > That rotate within the Stainless Steel Cup. I was unsure which one I had > until I got the bearing home and was able to open it up and separate the > bearing from the cup. It turns out I have the ball bearings. My R-22 > "Respite" is a 1989 that was re-cycled by GBI in 2005. I'm pretty certain > that the furler was installed at that time because the manual is dated > 2004. > Looking at the bearing, it is clear that no maintenance "cleaning" was ever > performed. (See photos of bearing) The manual recommends occasional rinsing > with fresh water. Opening the bearing is suggested only if the bearing is > hard to turn. In my case it wouldn't turn at all. Also I found that the > hole > in the top of the cup that the turnbuckle rides through had worn so that it > was no longer centered. (You can see this in one of the photos.) The bottom > view of the bearing shows the center hole and the two screw holes that > secure the Anti-rotation strap (or bale) to the bearing to the drum > Stainless Cup. There is also a Thrust Washer that the fits between the > Main > Bearing and the Furling Drum. I contacted CDI (they are now located in > Winnepeg, Manitoba, contact info below) I spoke with Joel Grouette who was > most helpful. Initially I had ordered the Stainless Cup that covers the > furling drum because it was bent, thinking that was the cause, but once we > had the bearing out we found that we also need a new bearing, which I also > ordered from CDI. Once I have furler operating again, I will file an > update. > > If you are having difficulty with your furling system, inspect and clean > your main bearing. Although it can be done with the mast up, it would be > easier with the mast down. > > I hope this information and my subsequent follow up will provide owners > with > information that will enable them to enjoy their Rhodes 22. > > Contact Information for CDI: > > Cruising Design International > 1036 Waverley St. Winnipeg MB > 844-379-2407 | www.sailcdi.com > < > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Main_Bearing_Stainless_Cup_Top_View.jpg> > > > > < > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Main_Bearing_Side_View.jpg> > > < > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Main_Bearing_Cup_w-Ball_Bearings.jpg> > > < > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Main_Bearing_Removed_from_Cup.jpg> > > > > > > > ----- > Joe Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Deltaville,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > -- *Ric Stott, AIA, LEED AP* office: 631.283.1777 cell: 516.965.3164 StottArchitecture.com 13 Main Street, Southampton New York 11968 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Gray Chandler Raleigh, NC From stan at generalboats.com Wed Oct 28 19:31:58 2020 From: stan at generalboats.com (stan) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 19:31:58 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <79ff6deb-ee7a-4676-388e-aaa10da18f7d@generalboats.com> Hi Gray, Who are you directing your inquiry to; the Rhodes owners who with Joe Dempsey's last post suggests that the Rhode owners internet List spread out to go into selling Rhodes boats and parts, or the Rhodes builder in Edenton NC? Whoever you meant to be reaching, interesting timing. stan On 10/28/20 5:58 PM, Gray Chandler wrote: > I would be interested in more information about your boat. I have lusted > after the Rhodes 22 for quite some time. We?ve got several things in the > fire at the moment but one more thing ma still be doable. > > Gray Chandler > Raleigh, NC > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Wed Oct 28 21:03:53 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 21:03:53 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 In-Reply-To: <79ff6deb-ee7a-4676-388e-aaa10da18f7d@generalboats.com> References: <79ff6deb-ee7a-4676-388e-aaa10da18f7d@generalboats.com> Message-ID: Stan, I don?t know what Joe might have said that set you off, but I?m guessing that Gray was responding to a posting by Eric Smith a few days ago about a boat for sale. I don?t thing there?s anything more going on here. ?Peter > On Oct 28, 2020, at 7:31 PM, stan wrote: > > Hi Gray, > > Who are you directing your inquiry to; the Rhodes owners who with Joe Dempsey's last post suggests that the Rhode owners internet List spread out to go into selling Rhodes boats and parts, or the Rhodes builder in Edenton NC? > > Whoever you meant to be reaching, interesting timing. > > stan > > On 10/28/20 5:58 PM, Gray Chandler wrote: >> I would be interested in more information about your boat. I have lusted >> after the Rhodes 22 for quite some time. We?ve got several things in the >> fire at the moment but one more thing ma still be doable. >> >> Gray Chandler >> Raleigh, NC >> > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Wed Oct 28 21:11:11 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 21:11:11 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The New Website In-Reply-To: <1603919590280-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <205D824A-4187-45C2-91FD-76C5794CB264@sunnybeeches.com> <1603919590280-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <55B82403-EBB4-4731-ADD9-1D3E94F4769F@sunnybeeches.com> Joe, I agree that something along the lines that you suggest would be useful. But, that sort of functionality would require web development skills well beyond what I possess. A while back, Luis suggested that he might be willing to take on such a task, but that would obviously be up to him. ?Peter > On Oct 28, 2020, at 5:13 PM, Joe Dempsey wrote: > > Peter, I've spent a little time on "sunnybeaches" and it's excellent. As I > was going through the different modules, I thought that a classified section > for R-22s for sale, 2nd hand R-22 parts, accessories, etc. might be a great > addition. > > > > ----- > Joe Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Deltaville,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Wed Oct 28 22:32:40 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 22:32:40 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle - using heat to remove 5200 In-Reply-To: <751F52F4-53D2-4D69-928C-B607017D9762@gmail.com> References: <4CB575CB-60A1-42B2-A803-50C8A9783E7E@stottarchitecture.com> <004b01d6ac69$ea7ccf80$bf766e80$@ca> <007601d6ac94$670e8370$352b8a50$@ca> <005e01d6ac96$35cb8310$a1628930$@ebsmed.com> <1603905675564-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <751F52F4-53D2-4D69-928C-B607017D9762@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00d701d6ad9b$c76ddb50$564991f0$@ca> I had the situation Luis described when I had to remove the centerboard cap back in about 1996. I realize now that it had been installed with 5200 or equivalent but didn't know about that stuff back then. I managed to get it off by heating a large knife to red hot and inserting it into the sealant and slowly slicing along the length of the joint. It worked but took forever as I had to reheat the knife after about a minute and could make very little progress in that time. It was a huge effort. Even so I broke the cap in two in the process. I didn't try to heat the fiberglass directly and would be very reluctant to do that now as I think it unlikely that you could get sufficient heat into the join without destroying the fiberglass. It was a huge miserable job. Today if I were faced with this problem I would rely on Debond and then track down the person who used the 5200 and hold his head under water for awhile. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Luis Guzman Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2020 1:42 PM To: NewIn76; The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle When I was trying to remove a centerboard cap on my first Rhodes, I think it was a 72, I was told that heat works pretty good in softening 5200. I believe it was an engineer from 3M who told me that. I have to look at he very old emails to see if I can find it. He told me to heat up the joint with a heat gun, careful not to set the fiberglass on fire, and work a knife in between to separate. I did not try that as I was afraid I was going to st the boat on fire. Luis A. Guzm?n II S/V Aquetxali > On Oct 28, 2020, at 1:21 PM, NewIn76 via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > Sunset looks great and nice perspective. Tabernacle is kind of out of focus > though, haha. > > > > ----- > Brian > 1976 Rhodes 22 > Cleveland > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From mweisner at ebsmed.com Wed Oct 28 22:55:07 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 22:55:07 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle - using heat to remove 5200 In-Reply-To: <00d701d6ad9b$c76ddb50$564991f0$@ca> References: <4CB575CB-60A1-42B2-A803-50C8A9783E7E@stottarchitecture.com> <004b01d6ac69$ea7ccf80$bf766e80$@ca> <007601d6ac94$670e8370$352b8a50$@ca> <005e01d6ac96$35cb8310$a1628930$@ebsmed.com> <1603905675564-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <751F52F4-53D2-4D69-928C-B607017D9762@gmail.com> <00d701d6ad9b$c76ddb50$564991f0$@ca> Message-ID: <003301d6ad9e$e9ff50b0$bdfdf210$@ebsmed.com> Graham, " Today if I were faced with this problem I would rely on Debond and then track down the person who used the 5200 and hold his head under water for awhile." You are truly a gentleman. I can't begin to tell you what I would do to such a person. Mike s/v Windlass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Graham Stewart Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2020 10:33 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle - using heat to remove 5200 I had the situation Luis described when I had to remove the centerboard cap back in about 1996. I realize now that it had been installed with 5200 or equivalent but didn't know about that stuff back then. I managed to get it off by heating a large knife to red hot and inserting it into the sealant and slowly slicing along the length of the joint. It worked but took forever as I had to reheat the knife after about a minute and could make very little progress in that time. It was a huge effort. Even so I broke the cap in two in the process. I didn't try to heat the fiberglass directly and would be very reluctant to do that now as I think it unlikely that you could get sufficient heat into the join without destroying the fiberglass. It was a huge miserable job. Today if I were faced with this problem I would rely on Debond and then track down the person who used the 5200 and hold his head under water for awhile. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Luis Guzman Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2020 1:42 PM To: NewIn76; The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle When I was trying to remove a centerboard cap on my first Rhodes, I think it was a 72, I was told that heat works pretty good in softening 5200. I believe it was an engineer from 3M who told me that. I have to look at he very old emails to see if I can find it. He told me to heat up the joint with a heat gun, careful not to set the fiberglass on fire, and work a knife in between to separate. I did not try that as I was afraid I was going to st the boat on fire. Luis A. Guzm?n II S/V Aquetxali > On Oct 28, 2020, at 1:21 PM, NewIn76 via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > Sunset looks great and nice perspective. Tabernacle is kind of out of > focus though, haha. > > > > ----- > Brian > 1976 Rhodes 22 > Cleveland > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From shawn.sustain at gmail.com Wed Oct 28 22:55:56 2020 From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 19:55:56 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle - using heat to remove 5200 In-Reply-To: <00d701d6ad9b$c76ddb50$564991f0$@ca> References: <4CB575CB-60A1-42B2-A803-50C8A9783E7E@stottarchitecture.com> <004b01d6ac69$ea7ccf80$bf766e80$@ca> <007601d6ac94$670e8370$352b8a50$@ca> <005e01d6ac96$35cb8310$a1628930$@ebsmed.com> <1603905675564-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <751F52F4-53D2-4D69-928C-B607017D9762@gmail.com> <00d701d6ad9b$c76ddb50$564991f0$@ca> Message-ID: I don't have a reference but understand that red hot wire and patience will let you slice through the bond. Good luck, Shawn s/v Sweet Baboo On Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 7:32 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > I had the situation Luis described when I had to remove the centerboard > cap back in about 1996. I realize now that it had been installed with 5200 > or equivalent but didn't know about that stuff back then. I managed to get > it off by heating a large knife to red hot and inserting it into the > sealant and slowly slicing along the length of the joint. It worked but > took forever as I had to reheat the knife after about a minute and could > make very little progress in that time. It was a huge effort. Even so I > broke the cap in two in the process. > > I didn't try to heat the fiberglass directly and would be very reluctant > to do that now as I think it unlikely that you could get sufficient heat > into the join without destroying the fiberglass. It was a huge miserable > job. Today if I were faced with this problem I would rely on Debond and > then track down the person who used the 5200 and hold his head under water > for awhile. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of Luis Guzman > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2020 1:42 PM > To: NewIn76; The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle > > When I was trying to remove a centerboard cap on my first Rhodes, I think > it was a 72, I was told that heat works pretty good in softening 5200. I > believe it was an engineer from 3M who told me that. I have to look at he > very old emails to see if I can find it. > > He told me to heat up the joint with a heat gun, careful not to set the > fiberglass on fire, and work a knife in between to separate. > > I did not try that as I was afraid I was going to st the boat on fire. > > > Luis A. Guzm?n II > > S/V Aquetxali > > > On Oct 28, 2020, at 1:21 PM, NewIn76 via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > > Sunset looks great and nice perspective. Tabernacle is kind of out of > focus > > though, haha. > > > > > > > > ----- > > Brian > > 1976 Rhodes 22 > > Cleveland > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > From ews1esq at yahoo.com Thu Oct 29 12:38:19 2020 From: ews1esq at yahoo.com (Eric Smith) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 12:38:19 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gray, I will provide photos and other pertinent info about my Rhodes 22 in a day or two. Thanks for your interest. Eric Smith Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 28, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Gray Chandler wrote: > > ?I would be interested in more information about your boat. I have lusted > after the Rhodes 22 for quite some time. We?ve got several things in the > fire at the moment but one more thing ma still be doable. > > Gray Chandler > Raleigh, NC From lvjkuhn at gmail.com Fri Oct 30 11:28:15 2020 From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 08:28:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Test Message-ID: <1604071695061-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Just checking to see if I can post again. Lee -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From keywestseccorp at verizon.net Fri Oct 30 11:30:30 2020 From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 15:30:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Test In-Reply-To: <1604071695061-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1604071695061-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <839244805.415223.1604071830598@mail.yahoo.com> I got it -----Original Message----- From: Lee To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Sent: Fri, Oct 30, 2020 11:28 am Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Test Just checking to see if I can post again. Lee -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From lvjkuhn at gmail.com Fri Oct 30 12:30:46 2020 From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 09:30:46 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Was "Test" Now Reintroduction In-Reply-To: <1604071695061-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1604071695061-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1604075446323-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Ahoy! I'm Leland (Lee) Kuhn and have been boatless and off the list for about six years. I had a 1986 Rhodes recycled in 2005 (AT EASE) and sailed it out of Kent Island on the Chesapeake. When I moved to Wytheville, VA I sold my boat thinking there was no nearby place to sail. I recently discovered that Claytor Lake had an active sailing club with several Rhodes owners. It's not in my backyard but it is within driving distance, which I guess everything is if you have enough time. In the back of my mind I thought about moving to a sailing community. I've been attending the Annapolis Boat Show each year and researching boats that would fit my needs better than a Rhodes22. I'm a daysailer and don't need all the cruising amenities of the Rhodes; don't need anything trailerable; don't need a furling main; and would like somethiing with a deeper keel. I wlll now need a trailerable boat for Claytor lake but that's not the issue. It's the cockpit and covered cockpit extension (saloon). I'm spoiled on it's comfort and convenience. So i'm working with Stan on getting another recycled Rhodes22. He hasn't quoted me a price yet but I'm sure he can put me in a Mercedes at the price of a Chevy. Good to be back! Lee Boatless for Now Claytor Lake, VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From lvjkuhn at gmail.com Fri Oct 30 12:44:08 2020 From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 09:44:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 3 Horsepower Electric Outboard Message-ID: <1604076248394-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Does anyone have a 3hp on their Rhodes? I was hoping to get an 8hp but then discovered the battery wasn't portable. I mostly only need the outboard to get in and out of my slip but I'm wondering if a 3hp could even move a 3,500 keel boat into a strong headwind if necessary. Torqeedo customer service said it would be enough, to no surprise. Lee Boatless for Now Claytor Lake, VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Fri Oct 30 13:30:24 2020 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 13:30:24 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 3 Horsepower Electric Outboard In-Reply-To: <1604076248394-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1604076248394-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Lee, Welcome back. I wouldn't depend on 3hp. Regards, Rick Lange On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 12:44 PM Lee wrote: > Does anyone have a 3hp on their Rhodes? I was hoping to get an 8hp but > then > discovered the battery wasn't portable. I mostly only need the outboard to > get in and out of my slip but I'm wondering if a 3hp could even move a > 3,500 > keel boat into a strong headwind if necessary. > > Torqeedo customer service said it would be enough, to no surprise. > > Lee > Boatless for Now > Claytor Lake, VA > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From lpagliaro at me.com Fri Oct 30 13:50:18 2020 From: lpagliaro at me.com (Lynn Pagliaro) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 13:50:18 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Deploying anchor from cockpit Message-ID: <0A7CBAB1-38B9-482A-914F-0C887F92D6E6@me.com> ?Secure a line to the bow leading through the chock and back on outside of all lines and secure it to a station. Attach to the end of the line a sturdy snap shackle. Deploy the anchor from the cockpit to the desired length. Tie a loop knot in the anchor line and snap the bow line to the loop. The anchor rode will then transfer its load to the bow of the boat. Retrieve from the cockpit unsnapping the bow line and untying the loop knot. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Butterfly-Knot-Pictures.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 26354 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rlowe at vt.edu Fri Oct 30 14:11:55 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 18:11:55 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 3 Horsepower Electric Outboard In-Reply-To: <1604076248394-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1604076248394-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Lee, Since I sail on Claytor Lake (well, I will again next season) and know that lake, I would not depend on a 3ph. The wind will hit you right on the nose coming back into the marina. I'd suggest a 5/6hp for a Rhodes in a headwind. Of course there was that one good blow when I was glad I had the 9.9! - rob Rob Lowe Nameless (still) Claytor Lake, VA -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Lee Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 12:44 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 3 Horsepower Electric Outboard Does anyone have a 3hp on their Rhodes? I was hoping to get an 8hp but then discovered the battery wasn't portable. I mostly only need the outboard to get in and out of my slip but I'm wondering if a 3hp could even move a 3,500 keel boat into a strong headwind if necessary. Torqeedo customer service said it would be enough, to no surprise. Lee Boatless for Now Claytor Lake, VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Fri Oct 30 14:11:44 2020 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 14:11:44 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Deploying anchor from cockpit In-Reply-To: <0A7CBAB1-38B9-482A-914F-0C887F92D6E6@me.com> References: <0A7CBAB1-38B9-482A-914F-0C887F92D6E6@me.com> Message-ID: Hi Lynn, If the Coast Guard in Cleveland sees you do that, they'll tow you in. Regards, Rick Lange On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 1:50 PM Lynn Pagliaro via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Secure a line to the bow leading through the chock and back on outside of > all lines and secure it to a station. Attach to the end of the line a > sturdy snap shackle. Deploy the anchor from the cockpit to the desired > length. Tie a loop knot in the anchor line and snap the bow line to the > loop. The anchor rode will then transfer its load to the bow of the boat. > Retrieve from the cockpit unsnapping the bow line and untying the loop knot. > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Butterfly-Knot-Pictures.jpeg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 26354 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201030/9bea64e1/attachment.jpeg > > > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Fri Oct 30 14:29:44 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 18:29:44 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 3 Horsepower Electric Outboard In-Reply-To: References: <1604076248394-0.post@n5.nabble.com>, Message-ID: Lee, There are really two reasons to have an outboard. One, when the wind dies and you need to get somewhere. In this case the Torqeedo electric outboard will work (slowly?) until the battery runs down. I think it lacks sufficient range to be a viable option in this scenario. Are you willing to carry a gasoline fired generator or more batteries? Two, when you need to maneuver in close quarters (like in a marina) in situations of opposing wind, current, other boat traffic, etc. Here, the 3 hp Torqeedo is dangerously underpowered on a Rhodes 22. So, unless you can be assured of being able to sail all the way back to your marina and then use your Torqeedo to motor into your slip on a windless evening, it seems pretty undersized. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Lowe, Rob Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 2:12 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 3 Horsepower Electric Outboard Lee, Since I sail on Claytor Lake (well, I will again next season) and know that lake, I would not depend on a 3ph. The wind will hit you right on the nose coming back into the marina. I'd suggest a 5/6hp for a Rhodes in a headwind. Of course there was that one good blow when I was glad I had the 9.9! - rob Rob Lowe Nameless (still) Claytor Lake, VA -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Lee Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 12:44 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 3 Horsepower Electric Outboard Does anyone have a 3hp on their Rhodes? I was hoping to get an 8hp but then discovered the battery wasn't portable. I mostly only need the outboard to get in and out of my slip but I'm wondering if a 3hp could even move a 3,500 keel boat into a strong headwind if necessary. Torqeedo customer service said it would be enough, to no surprise. Lee Boatless for Now Claytor Lake, VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From mweisner at ebsmed.com Fri Oct 30 14:31:52 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 14:31:52 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Deploying anchor from cockpit In-Reply-To: References: <0A7CBAB1-38B9-482A-914F-0C887F92D6E6@me.com> Message-ID: <002201d6aeea$f0bd81e0$d23885a0$@ebsmed.com> D?j? vu? Hasn?t this been discussed on da list already? Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I?d rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Rick Lange Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 2:12 PM To: Lynn Pagliaro ; The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Deploying anchor from cockpit Hi Lynn, If the Coast Guard in Cleveland sees you do that, they'll tow you in. Regards, Rick Lange On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 1:50 PM Lynn Pagliaro via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Secure a line to the bow leading through the chock and back on outside > of all lines and secure it to a station. Attach to the end of the line > a sturdy snap shackle. Deploy the anchor from the cockpit to the > desired length. Tie a loop knot in the anchor line and snap the bow > line to the loop. The anchor rode will then transfer its load to the bow of the boat. > Retrieve from the cockpit unsnapping the bow line and untying the loop knot. > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > scrubbed... > Name: Butterfly-Knot-Pictures.jpeg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 26354 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201030/9bea6 > 4e1/attachment.jpeg > > > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Fri Oct 30 14:31:33 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 14:31:33 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Deploying anchor from cockpit In-Reply-To: References: <0A7CBAB1-38B9-482A-914F-0C887F92D6E6@me.com> Message-ID: <23D0698B-0D32-422E-8699-5772AFBB717D@sunnybeeches.com> Rick, You?ve made this claim about the Coast Guard in Cleveland being sticklers for ?proper? anchoring techniques before. Is this based on personal experience, or what? ?Peter > On Oct 30, 2020, at 2:11 PM, Rick Lange wrote: > > Hi Lynn, > > If the Coast Guard in Cleveland sees you do that, they'll tow you in. > > Regards, > > Rick Lange > > > On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 1:50 PM Lynn Pagliaro via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > >> Secure a line to the bow leading through the chock and back on outside of >> all lines and secure it to a station. Attach to the end of the line a >> sturdy snap shackle. Deploy the anchor from the cockpit to the desired >> length. Tie a loop knot in the anchor line and snap the bow line to the >> loop. The anchor rode will then transfer its load to the bow of the boat. >> Retrieve from the cockpit unsnapping the bow line and untying the loop knot. >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: Butterfly-Knot-Pictures.jpeg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 26354 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201030/9bea64e1/attachment.jpeg >>> >> From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Fri Oct 30 15:01:56 2020 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 15:01:56 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Deploying anchor from cockpit In-Reply-To: <23D0698B-0D32-422E-8699-5772AFBB717D@sunnybeeches.com> References: <0A7CBAB1-38B9-482A-914F-0C887F92D6E6@me.com> <23D0698B-0D32-422E-8699-5772AFBB717D@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Peter, Every spring it is in the news--a tow, a corpse or a capsize rescue. I've never been towed, but know one guy who was for dropping his anchor from midships. Regards, Rick Lange On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 2:32 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > Rick, > > You?ve made this claim about the Coast Guard in Cleveland being sticklers > for ?proper? anchoring techniques before. Is this based on personal > experience, or what? > > ?Peter > > > On Oct 30, 2020, at 2:11 PM, Rick Lange > wrote: > > > > Hi Lynn, > > > > If the Coast Guard in Cleveland sees you do that, they'll tow you in. > > > > Regards, > > > > Rick Lange > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 1:50 PM Lynn Pagliaro via Rhodes22-list < > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > >> Secure a line to the bow leading through the chock and back on outside > of > >> all lines and secure it to a station. Attach to the end of the line a > >> sturdy snap shackle. Deploy the anchor from the cockpit to the desired > >> length. Tie a loop knot in the anchor line and snap the bow line to the > >> loop. The anchor rode will then transfer its load to the bow of the > boat. > >> Retrieve from the cockpit unsnapping the bow line and untying the loop > knot. > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> Name: Butterfly-Knot-Pictures.jpeg > >> Type: image/jpeg > >> Size: 26354 bytes > >> Desc: not available > >> URL: < > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201030/9bea64e1/attachment.jpeg > >>> > >> > > From lgioia at yahoo.com Fri Oct 30 15:57:33 2020 From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 15:57:33 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 3 Horsepower Electric Outboard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Lee, I have a 3.5hp Mercury 4-stroke on my R22 - it?s fine for the light to medium winds I encounter on Lake George but if you have strong headwinds as Rob mentions, a 6 or more would be very handy. Years back the Minne-Ha-Ha tour boat on the lake was expanded in length. In a subsequent year they encountered a wind so strong they got blown against the rocks on the southern shoreline and the boiler/steam-reciprocating engines that power the 2 paddlewheels were not strong enough to keep them off the rocks. So the Coast Guard required them to add backup diesels with separate propellers. That was about 15 years ago, I recently asked the engineer how often they?re needed. He said we?ve never used them, we just test them. They have 6-7 1hr trips per day 7 days per week from late May ?> late Sep. > On Oct 30, 2020, at 2:11 PM, Lowe, Rob wrote: > > ?Lee, > Since I sail on Claytor Lake (well, I will again next season) and know that lake, I would not depend on a 3ph. The wind will hit you right on the nose coming back into the marina. I'd suggest a 5/6hp for a Rhodes in a headwind. Of course there was that one good blow when I was glad I had the 9.9! - rob > > Rob Lowe > Nameless (still) > Claytor Lake, VA > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Lee > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 12:44 PM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 3 Horsepower Electric Outboard > > Does anyone have a 3hp on their Rhodes? I was hoping to get an 8hp but then discovered the battery wasn't portable. I mostly only need the outboard to get in and out of my slip but I'm wondering if a 3hp could even move a 3,500 keel boat into a strong headwind if necessary. > > Torqeedo customer service said it would be enough, to no surprise. > > Lee > Boatless for Now > Claytor Lake, VA > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Fri Oct 30 17:07:05 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 17:07:05 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Was "Test" Now Reintroduction In-Reply-To: <1604075446323-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1604071695061-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1604075446323-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Welcome Back Lee! With age comes wisdom. You just had to let a half dozen years added to your mature self to see the light. Chris Geankoplis Enosis On Fri, 30 Oct 2020 at 12:30, Lee wrote: > Ahoy! I'm Leland (Lee) Kuhn and have been boatless and off the list for > about six years. > > I had a 1986 Rhodes recycled in 2005 (AT EASE) and sailed it out of Kent > Island on the Chesapeake. When I moved to Wytheville, VA I sold my boat > thinking there was no nearby place to sail. I recently discovered that > Claytor Lake had an active sailing club with several Rhodes owners. It's > not in my backyard but it is within driving distance, which I guess > everything is if you have enough time. > > In the back of my mind I thought about moving to a sailing community. I've > been attending the Annapolis Boat Show each year and researching boats that > would fit my needs better than a Rhodes22. I'm a daysailer and don't need > all the cruising amenities of the Rhodes; don't need anything trailerable; > don't need a furling main; and would like somethiing with a deeper keel. I > wlll now need a trailerable boat for Claytor lake but that's not the > issue. > It's the cockpit and covered cockpit extension (saloon). I'm spoiled on > it's comfort and convenience. > > So i'm working with Stan on getting another recycled Rhodes22. He hasn't > quoted me a price yet but I'm sure he can put me in a Mercedes at the price > of a Chevy. > > Good to be back! > > Lee > Boatless for Now > Claytor Lake, VA > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Fri Oct 30 17:13:42 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 17:13:42 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 3 Horsepower Electric Outboard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Don?t forget. Things change and you may opt to vacation south in warm weather, do a little cruising. Head to the Keys or more exotic locals. Then you will be glad you have a gas 6 hp (or more) motor. Chris Geankoplis Enosis On Fri, 30 Oct 2020 at 15:57, Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Lee, > > I have a 3.5hp Mercury 4-stroke on my R22 - it?s fine for the light to > medium winds I encounter on Lake George but if you have strong headwinds as > Rob mentions, a 6 or more would be very handy. > > Years back the Minne-Ha-Ha tour boat on the lake was expanded in length. > In a subsequent year they encountered a wind so strong they got blown > against the rocks on the southern shoreline and the > boiler/steam-reciprocating engines that power the 2 paddlewheels were not > strong enough to keep them off the rocks. So the Coast Guard required them > to add backup diesels with separate propellers. That was about 15 years > ago, I recently asked the engineer how often they?re needed. He said we?ve > never used them, we just test them. They have 6-7 1hr trips per day 7 days > per week from late May ?> late Sep. > > > > On Oct 30, 2020, at 2:11 PM, Lowe, Rob wrote: > > > > ?Lee, > > Since I sail on Claytor Lake (well, I will again next season) and know > that lake, I would not depend on a 3ph. The wind will hit you right on the > nose coming back into the marina. I'd suggest a 5/6hp for a Rhodes in a > headwind. Of course there was that one good blow when I was glad I had the > 9.9! - rob > > > > Rob Lowe > > Nameless (still) > > Claytor Lake, VA > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Lee > > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 12:44 PM > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 3 Horsepower Electric Outboard > > > > Does anyone have a 3hp on their Rhodes? I was hoping to get an 8hp but > then discovered the battery wasn't portable. I mostly only need the > outboard to get in and out of my slip but I'm wondering if a 3hp could even > move a 3,500 keel boat into a strong headwind if necessary. > > > > Torqeedo customer service said it would be enough, to no surprise. > > > > Lee > > Boatless for Now > > Claytor Lake, VA > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > From sea20 at verizon.net Fri Oct 30 17:37:58 2020 From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 17:37:58 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 3 Horsepower Electric Outboard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, if one was about to buy a ten horse outboard for a Rhodes, which one has the best reliability? Scott A. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 30, 2020, at 5:13 PM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: > > ?Don?t forget. Things change and you may opt to vacation south in warm > weather, do a little cruising. Head to the Keys or more exotic locals. > Then you will be glad you have a gas 6 hp (or more) motor. > Chris Geankoplis > Enosis > >> On Fri, 30 Oct 2020 at 15:57, Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list < >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: >> >> Lee, >> >> I have a 3.5hp Mercury 4-stroke on my R22 - it?s fine for the light to >> medium winds I encounter on Lake George but if you have strong headwinds as >> Rob mentions, a 6 or more would be very handy. >> >> Years back the Minne-Ha-Ha tour boat on the lake was expanded in length. >> In a subsequent year they encountered a wind so strong they got blown >> against the rocks on the southern shoreline and the >> boiler/steam-reciprocating engines that power the 2 paddlewheels were not >> strong enough to keep them off the rocks. So the Coast Guard required them >> to add backup diesels with separate propellers. That was about 15 years >> ago, I recently asked the engineer how often they?re needed. He said we?ve >> never used them, we just test them. They have 6-7 1hr trips per day 7 days >> per week from late May ?> late Sep. >> >> >>>> On Oct 30, 2020, at 2:11 PM, Lowe, Rob wrote: >>> >>> ?Lee, >>> Since I sail on Claytor Lake (well, I will again next season) and know >> that lake, I would not depend on a 3ph. The wind will hit you right on the >> nose coming back into the marina. I'd suggest a 5/6hp for a Rhodes in a >> headwind. Of course there was that one good blow when I was glad I had the >> 9.9! - rob >>> >>> Rob Lowe >>> Nameless (still) >>> Claytor Lake, VA >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of >> Lee >>> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 12:44 PM >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 3 Horsepower Electric Outboard >>> >>> Does anyone have a 3hp on their Rhodes? I was hoping to get an 8hp but >> then discovered the battery wasn't portable. I mostly only need the >> outboard to get in and out of my slip but I'm wondering if a 3hp could even >> move a 3,500 keel boat into a strong headwind if necessary. >>> >>> Torqeedo customer service said it would be enough, to no surprise. >>> >>> Lee >>> Boatless for Now >>> Claytor Lake, VA >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >> >> From blue66corvette at hotmail.com Fri Oct 30 17:48:46 2020 From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 21:48:46 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 3 Horsepower Electric Outboard In-Reply-To: References: <1604076248394-0.post@n5.nabble.com>, Message-ID: I bought the Torqeedo 3hp for my Rhodes 22 this past spring. I sail a small lake in DFW. It works great to get me in & out of the marina. I?ve never tested it against a strong headwind and do believe it would not be a good match. If I was on the coast or a lake of serious size I would not suggest this. But for my needs it is perfect. Quiet, dependable, doesn?t need a tuneup, very maneuverable. I?m happier than I?ve ever been regarding my ?iron genny? Sent from my iPhone Charles Nieman > On Oct 30, 2020, at 12:31 PM, Rick Lange wrote: > > ?Hi Lee, > > Welcome back. I wouldn't depend on 3hp. > > Regards, > > Rick Lange > > >> On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 12:44 PM Lee wrote: >> >> Does anyone have a 3hp on their Rhodes? I was hoping to get an 8hp but >> then >> discovered the battery wasn't portable. I mostly only need the outboard to >> get in and out of my slip but I'm wondering if a 3hp could even move a >> 3,500 >> keel boat into a strong headwind if necessary. >> >> Torqeedo customer service said it would be enough, to no surprise. >> >> Lee >> Boatless for Now >> Claytor Lake, VA >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >>